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Title: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on January 18, 2010, 05:13:25 PM
Now, here is an interesting composer if you like Russian/Soviet composers.  Popov sadly drank himself to death having suffered years of neglect and condemnation at the hands of the soviet authorities (his music was condemned along with the music of his friend Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Miaskovsky, Shebalin, Kabalevsky and Khachaturian in 1948). His First Symphony (Telarc) is the only score I know which can hold up its head alongside Shostakovich's 4th Symphony (Vainberg's 5th is another possible contender). Popov's symphonies were once available on the defunct Olympia label and now are only around at more or less ridiculous prices (there was a great CD with symphonies 1 and 2 on). However, the Russian Northern Flowers label has just issued Popov's epic wartime Symphony 2 'Motherland', which whilst being more conformist than the phatasmagoric First Symphony, is both powerful and moving. If you like Shostakovich's 7th or 8th symphonies or Khachaturian's Symphony No 2 'The Bell', this might be for you. It is coupled with some high quality film music and the agitprop 'Red Cavalry Campaign: Symphonic poster for large orchestra and male chorus' from 1941.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: John Copeland on January 18, 2010, 06:37:46 PM
Sounds bloody fabulous.  Where did you get it?
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: MN Dave on January 18, 2010, 07:24:49 PM
Yes, and when are you going to upload it?  ;D
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: John Copeland on January 18, 2010, 07:27:22 PM
Yes, and when are you going to upload it?  ;D

Yes, well, that was what I was hinting at too, but was far too polite to suggest.   :P 
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: MN Dave on January 18, 2010, 07:29:13 PM
Yes, well, that was what I was hinting at too, but was far too polite to suggest.   :P

Are you saying I'm not polite? How rude!  >:(
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: The new erato on January 18, 2010, 11:03:34 PM
http://www.russiancdshop.com/ is reasonably cheap, quick and very dependable if you have a Paypal account.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on January 19, 2010, 08:49:20 AM
Sounds bloody fabulous.  Where did you get it?

MDT Mail Order in Derby.

Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: MN Dave on January 19, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
I didn't really expect an upload, by the way.  ;D

But it sure wasn't on Amazon US: My usual online shopping stop.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: snyprrr on January 19, 2010, 09:38:03 PM
Isn't he the "other" composer Shosty had a picture of on his mantle?



Also, I get get Popov's and Shebalin's String Quartet Cycles confused. Does anyone have The Goods here?
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on January 20, 2010, 04:35:32 AM
Isn't he the "other" composer Shosty had a picture of on his mantle?



Also, I get get Popov's and Shebalin's String Quartet Cycles confused. Does anyone have The Goods here?

I think it was Shebalin.  Don't know how to do uploads anyway - took me months to work out how to include a picture with my posts.  Would be happy, if I knew how, to upload a movement from the Symphony.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on January 20, 2010, 04:36:59 AM
I didn't really expect an upload, by the way.  ;D

But it sure wasn't on Amazon US: My usual online shopping stop.

Here's a link.

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/Choice_Classical_Music_CDs_and_DVDs_Future_Releases/NFPMA9977.htm
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Sef on July 05, 2010, 12:56:58 PM
I love youtube!

Symphony No. 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/SVbl3jEYd-Y

or Symphony No. 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/jpH8H-ZuI0g&feature=related

The rest is there to search
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: The new erato on July 05, 2010, 01:35:08 PM
A Northern Flowers sale on mdt now. I've got tons of stuff I absolutely need, mainly the Miaskovsky and Taneyev quartets (since Naxos presumedly complete Taneyev seems to have dried up with vo l1, they will loose my business).
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: eyeresist on September 23, 2011, 05:12:35 AM
It looks like there is a new recording of Symphony No. 1 coming out next month on Northern Flowers. They have already released 1 and 2 (separate discs, each with extras), in reportedly good performances conducted by Titov, who also conducted the latest. I guess it would be stupid to hope that this will be part of a completed cycle....

(http://img.hmv.co.jp/image/jacket/400/41/8/1/504.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-No-Gavriil-Nikolaevich-Popov/dp/B005N9EZ7M/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1316786984&sr=1-1)

(The picture links to Amazon, but the cover pic is from HMV.jp.)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: cilgwyn on September 23, 2011, 05:22:58 AM

I'll drink to that!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: John Copeland on September 23, 2011, 05:28:21 AM
I love youtube!
Symphony No. 3:
http://www.youtube.com/v/SVbl3jEYd-Y
or Symphony No. 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jpH8H-ZuI0g&feature=related
The rest is there to search

That Symphony One is bloody amazing...Olympia defunct?  Must find another means to get it...I really, really like what I've heard above.  Really. 
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Dundonnell on September 23, 2011, 05:40:01 AM
Popov's 4th Symphony for soloists, chorus and orchestra "Honour to the Motherland" of 1947 still awaits its first commercial recording.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: not edward on February 23, 2012, 12:38:09 PM
(http://img.hmv.co.jp/image/jacket/400/41/8/1/504.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-No-Gavriil-Nikolaevich-Popov/dp/B005N9EZ7M/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1316786984&sr=1-1)
Had a chance to hear this, and it's not competitive with the Olympia issue with Provatorov conducting. The orchestra feels as if it's struggling at times, and there simply isn't have anything like the intensity that Provatorov brings to the work--it's music written in blood and sweat, on a very well-judged knife-edge just short of falling into of total chaos, and I don't think the orchestra has the confidence (or, perhaps, sufficient rehearsal time) to bring this off here.

I hope someone will pick up the Olympia discs sooner rather than later--it's an extraordinary work that deserves wider currency.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on February 25, 2012, 01:16:46 AM
Had a chance to hear this, and it's not competitive with the Olympia issue with Provatorov conducting. The orchestra feels as if it's struggling at times, and there simply isn't have anything like the intensity that Provatorov brings to the work--it's music written in blood and sweat, on a very well-judged knife-edge just short of falling into of total chaos, and I don't think the orchestra has the confidence (or, perhaps, sufficient rehearsal time) to bring this off here.

I hope someone will pick up the Olympia discs sooner rather than later--it's an extraordinary work that deserves wider currency.

Thank you Edward for posting this. I'm sorry that the new version of symphony No 1 is not that good - but at least you have saved me some money! I agree that the Olympia CD with symphonies 1 and 2 on is sensational - one of their best releases I think.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: cilgwyn on February 25, 2012, 08:45:45 AM
I must admit the reviews of those Northern Flowers cd's have put me off,although I suppose,dodgy playing didn't put me off buying the Marco Polo recordings of the lovely Tournemire symphonies! (Luckily,persistent searching & a spot of luck means that I eventually managed to collect all the superior Auvidis Valois performances! :))
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Catison on May 04, 2012, 10:42:14 AM
Any new opinions of the Titov?  I really, realy want that Olympia disc, but is it worth $80?
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: not edward on May 05, 2012, 08:43:58 PM
Since there's still no sign of the Provatorov being reissued, and I really wouldn't want anyone discovering Popov's First in Titov's tentative near-sightreading, I've taken the liberty of ripping and uploading the Olympia disc. It'll likely take an afternoon or so to download from RapidShare, but I think it'd be worth it for anyone with the slightest interest in Russian 20th century music.

https://rapidshare.com/files/4250441272/Popov_Symphonies_1___2_-_Olympia.zip (entire disc as one flac file, with a cue file as well).
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 06, 2012, 05:07:43 AM
Yes, it'll take around 3 hours (download is at a snail's pace - I am used to around 1600 kb/s and this is 30 kb/s)... Still, it seems to be worth it! Thanks!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Catison on May 06, 2012, 05:08:13 AM
Since there's still no sign of the Provatorov being reissued, and I really wouldn't want anyone discovering Popov's First in Titov's tentative near-sightreading, I've taken the liberty of ripping and uploading the Olympia disc. It'll likely take an afternoon or so to download from RapidShare, but I think it'd be worth it for anyone with the slightest interest in Russian 20th century music.

https://rapidshare.com/files/4250441272/Popov_Symphonies_1___2_-_Olympia.zip (entire disc as one flac file, with a cue file as well).

Wow, thanks Edward.  I have the Telarc disc and I love it.  So I just wanted another perspective on this symphony.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 06, 2012, 05:09:14 AM
Hi, Brett!  :)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 06, 2012, 08:54:22 AM
Download completed... I just started listening - 5 minutes in. Epic stuff!


Found this by Alex Ross:


http://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/09/the_popov_disco.html (http://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/09/the_popov_disco.html)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Catison on May 07, 2012, 01:47:58 AM
Hi, Brett!  :)


Hi Johan.  Popov brought me back.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 07, 2012, 02:15:07 AM
Behold, the power of Popov!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Cato on May 07, 2012, 03:02:04 AM
Somebody in New Jersey (pronounced Nyuu Joizey) offers the Leon Botstein/London Symphony performance for around $17.00:

http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-Shostakovich-Variations-Orchestra-Multichannel/dp/B00069I8HW/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336391775&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-Shostakovich-Variations-Orchestra-Multichannel/dp/B00069I8HW/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336391775&sr=1-2)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 07, 2012, 03:24:33 AM
Botstein, of course, is (or was, at any rate) President of Bard College in the Hudson River valley.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: not edward on May 07, 2012, 04:36:03 AM

Hi Johan.  Popov brought me back.
The First symphony certainly is loud enough to wake the dead.

Interesting trivia: if the work hadn't been banned, it would've had its first performance in the West under the baton of Otto Klemperer (who at the same time had also acquired the rights for the first Western performance of Shostakovich's 4th symphony). He might have had to spread the two out a bit, given the remarkable similarities between the two works.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 07, 2012, 08:03:18 AM
Thanks, again, Edward, for making those Olympia recordings available to us. Popov's First is a great piece. The amazing closing minutes are similar in effect to those of Enescu's Second Symphony, where the same wild abandon is, electrifyingly, in evidence.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 07, 2012, 08:06:57 AM
.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51UaTQW2DhL._SY355_.jpg)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Catison on May 07, 2012, 09:23:38 AM
Somebody in New Jersey (pronounced Nyuu Joizey) offers the Leon Botstein/London Symphony performance for around $17.00:

http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-Shostakovich-Variations-Orchestra-Multichannel/dp/B00069I8HW/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336391775&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-Shostakovich-Variations-Orchestra-Multichannel/dp/B00069I8HW/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1336391775&sr=1-2)

You can take your chance it will come back into print at Arkiv Music.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?name_id1=9619&name_role1=1&bcorder=1&comp_id=46588
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: cilgwyn on May 07, 2012, 01:48:15 PM
Since there's still no sign of the Provatorov being reissued, and I really wouldn't want anyone discovering Popov's First in Titov's tentative near-sightreading, I've taken the liberty of ripping and uploading the Olympia disc. It'll likely take an afternoon or so to download from RapidShare, but I think it'd be worth it for anyone with the slightest interest in Russian 20th century music.

https://rapidshare.com/files/4250441272/Popov_Symphonies_1___2_-_Olympia.zip (entire disc as one flac file, with a cue file as well).
I just downloaded this & turned into a cdr! I have never heard a note of Popov before,but heard a huge amount about him over the years,particularly his first symphony. Superlatives,usually & now I finally get to hear it in,what is,apparently,the best recorded performance. Funnily enough I bought the Regis reissue of Shostakovich's Fourth off Amazon,the other day,for about £1.38 inc p&p. After listening to this,Shostakovich's wild,wacky Fourth,seems quite tame! :o

Thanks edward!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 08, 2012, 05:33:23 AM
Yes, Popov's First is Shostakovich's Fourth's wilder sibling.  ;D
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: cilgwyn on May 08, 2012, 10:26:53 AM
Indeed! :o Some of the most extroadinary sounds I have ever heard from a symphony orchestra & that includes mavericks like Jon Leifs,who add all sort of 'exotic' instruments (and does it loudly & very well,fair play! ;D) The Shostakovich 4 I listened to,incidentally, was Barshai & the WDR.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: ttle18 on July 28, 2012, 05:21:51 AM
Popov's Second is definitely not as original as his First, but it has been much underestimated (what by Popov has not). There is an old Urania LP recording under Hermann Abendroth's baton. One part near the middle is totally saturated, yet incredibly gripping and powerfully urgent.
What a sheer musical talent Popov was.
I would love to hear his violin concerto as well.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on July 28, 2012, 06:36:52 AM
Popov's Second is definitely not as original as his First, but it has been much underestimated (what by Popov has not). There is an old Urania LP recording under Hermann Abendroth's baton. One part near the middle is totally saturated, yet incredibly gripping and powerfully urgent.
What a sheer musical talent Popov was.
I would love to hear his violin concerto as well.

He was such a fine composer. I have two CDs of No 2 on Olympia and Northern Flowers.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on October 31, 2012, 07:24:08 AM
Popov's Symphony No. 2 is outstanding!

http://www.youtube.com/v/SsoMtTgrEOI

http://www.youtube.com/v/fYChBZipBWQ

http://www.youtube.com/v/WI23f_j-nQc

This symphony is definitely my glass of vodka. Sad that Soviet composers like Popov, Mossolov, Tishchenko continue to get ignored by the classical audiences. If the New York Philharmonic or Royal Concertgebouw performed Popov's Symphony No. 2, there is no doubt that he would have some new admirers of his music. It's all about exposure.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 31, 2012, 03:07:11 PM
Just listened to the first clip. Brilliant music!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on October 31, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
Just listened to the first clip. Brilliant music!

Absolutely, Johan. I look forward to getting those Wartime Music recordings I bought the other night. Are you familiar with Popov's music, Johan?
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 31, 2012, 03:14:27 PM
Yes. I listened to the First Symphony, which I called 'the wilder sibling of Shostakovich's Fourth' earlier in this thread... Popov is very good. From what I have read, his life was tragic.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on October 31, 2012, 03:16:31 PM
Yes. I listened to the First Symphony, which I called 'the wilder sibling of Shostakovich's Fourth' earlier in this thread... Popov is very good. From what I have read, his life was tragic.

Yeah, you're right about Popov's 1st being wilder than Shosty's 4th, but this doesn't necessarily make it a better symphony. I've never warmed to Popov's 1st. I probably need to go back and listen to it again. I have the Botstein recording. Hopefully, I can find amid my completely unorganized CD collection.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 31, 2012, 03:20:21 PM
I agree that Shostakovich's Fourth is the better work. I don't remember a thing from Popov's First, whereas I already remembered several themes after I heard Shosta's Fourth only for the first time - they are more memorable. Still, Popov's First is a thrilling ride!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on October 31, 2012, 03:34:11 PM
I agree that Shostakovich's Fourth is the better work. I don't remember a thing from Popov's First, whereas I already remembered several themes after I heard Shosta's Fourth only for the first time - they are more memorable. Still, Popov's First is a thrilling ride!

It seems that Popov's 2nd is much better than his 1st. I'd love to hear all of Popov's symphonies. Tishchenko is another composer that I bought many recordings of recently that I'm eager to explore. Are you familiar with his work?
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 31, 2012, 03:48:43 PM
I only know his name... No doubt I'll be listening to his music when time and inclination coincide.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: calyptorhynchus on October 31, 2012, 07:40:30 PM
Is the Olympia disc still at Rapidshare? I just got an error message.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Dundonnell on November 01, 2012, 05:48:45 AM
It seems that Popov's 2nd is much better than his 1st. I'd love to hear all of Popov's symphonies. Tishchenko is another composer that I bought many recordings of recently that I'm eager to explore. Are you familiar with his work?

You will be lucky if you ever get to hear the Popov 4th Symphony ::)  It has been consigned to the "musical scrapyard" of homage to Stalin compositions :(

GAVRILL POPOV: A CATALOGUE OF THE ORCHESTRAL MUSIC

1928-34:Symphony No.1, op.7: 42 minutes      + (Olympia and Telarc cds)
1933:      Symphonic Suite No.1: 17 minutes       + (Olympia cd)
1937:      Concert-Poem for Violin and Strings, op. 17
1938:      Symphonic Divertimento for orchestra, op. 23
                 Piano Concerto, op.24
1940:      “Hispania: Seven Fragments”  for orchestra, op.28
1941:      Heroic Intermezzo for soloists, chorus and orchestra, op.25
1939-46:Symphony No.3 “Heroic”/ “The Spanish” for string orchestra, op.45: 55 minutes       +   (Northern Flowers cd)
1943:      Symphony No.2 “Motherland”, op.39: 35 minutes    +  (Olympia and Urania cds)
1944:      Cantata “To the Victory” for soloists, chorus and orchestra
1945:      Symphonic Aria for Cello and String Orchestra, op. 43: 15 minutes      +   (Northern Flowers cd)
1949:      Symphony No.4 “Glory to the Motherland” for soloists, chorus and orchestra, op.47
1950:      Cantata “Heroic Poem for Lenin” for soloists, chorus and orchestra, op. 58
1953:      Cello Concerto, op.71
1956:      Symphony No.5 “Pastoral”, op.77: 44 minutes    +  (Olympia cd)
1969:      Symphony No.6 “Festive”, op.99: 36 minutes    + (Olympia cd)
1970:      Organ Concerto
                 Overture
                 Symphony No.7   (unfinished)

Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: madaboutmahler on November 01, 2012, 08:18:50 AM
Popov's Symphony No. 2 is outstanding!

http://www.youtube.com/v/SsoMtTgrEOI

http://www.youtube.com/v/fYChBZipBWQ

http://www.youtube.com/v/WI23f_j-nQc

This symphony is definitely my glass of vodka. Sad that Soviet composers like Popov, Mossolov, Tishchenko continue to get ignored by the classical audiences. If the New York Philharmonic or Royal Concertgebouw performed Popov's Symphony No. 2, there is no doubt that he would have some new admirers of his music. It's all about exposure.

Just listening to this now, my first experience with Popov's music.

What an intense first movement! Very very powerful. And then what a contrast with the second movement, very enjoyable, really colourful orchestration, and with a gorgeous melodic sense. Wow... the Largo.... this really is amazing music. Thrilling climaxes, very intense and beautiful. Excellent start to the finale, such great rhythmic drive! Fantastic music, very enjoyable! Very exciting ending too!!!!

That was certainly an incredible piece! I enjoyed it very much and shall certainly look forward to listening to it again!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on November 01, 2012, 05:46:29 PM
You will be lucky if you ever get to hear the Popov 4th Symphony ::)  It has been consigned to the "musical scrapyard" of homage to Stalin compositions :(

GAVRILL POPOV: A CATALOGUE OF THE ORCHESTRAL MUSIC

1928-34:Symphony No.1, op.7: 42 minutes      + (Olympia and Telarc cds)
1933:      Symphonic Suite No.1: 17 minutes       + (Olympia cd)
1937:      Concert-Poem for Violin and Strings, op. 17
1938:      Symphonic Divertimento for orchestra, op. 23
                 Piano Concerto, op.24
1940:      “Hispania: Seven Fragments”  for orchestra, op.28
1941:      Heroic Intermezzo for soloists, chorus and orchestra, op.25
1939-46:Symphony No.3 “Heroic”/ “The Spanish” for string orchestra, op.45: 55 minutes       +   (Northern Flowers cd)
1943:      Symphony No.2 “Motherland”, op.39: 35 minutes    +  (Olympia and Urania cds)
1944:      Cantata “To the Victory” for soloists, chorus and orchestra
1945:      Symphonic Aria for Cello and String Orchestra, op. 43: 15 minutes      +   (Northern Flowers cd)
1949:      Symphony No.4 “Glory to the Motherland” for soloists, chorus and orchestra, op.47
1950:      Cantata “Heroic Poem for Lenin” for soloists, chorus and orchestra, op. 58
1953:      Cello Concerto, op.71
1956:      Symphony No.5 “Pastoral”, op.77: 44 minutes    +  (Olympia cd)
1969:      Symphony No.6 “Festive”, op.99: 36 minutes    + (Olympia cd)
1970:      Organ Concerto
                 Overture
                 Symphony No.7   (unfinished)


Thanks for you this, Colin! You've done such good work with all of these composer's catalogues. Yeah, I seriously doubt I'll get to hear much of Popov since those Olympia recordings are out-of-print. As a Popov fan and collector, these are crucial recordings.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Dundonnell on November 01, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
I have all of the Olympia discs but I know that you are not one for copies :(
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on November 01, 2012, 06:18:21 PM
I have all of the Olympia discs but I know that you are not one for copies :(

I like copies as long as I own the originals. ;) :D Thanks, Colin.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: pencils on August 20, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
Since returning from work today, I have listened back to back via iPod to all 6 completed symphonies by Popov.

Wow.

Yet another composer to explore and enjoy. Nothing duff here, and on first listening, No. 5 is stunning.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: kyjo on August 20, 2013, 12:58:28 PM
Ah yes, Popov! It's been a while since I've listened to this chap's music. He's definitely a cut above a lot of other Soviet symphonists I've encountered. I own these CDs of his music:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61f1UY9CVcL._SY300_.jpg)   (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FlDrZvROL._SL500_SY300_.jpg)   (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CufKr6PKL._SY300_.jpg)

High-octane music for sure! Symphony no. 1 is a brash and fun piece, but Symphony no. 3 Heroic (for large string orchestra) is a superb work which approaches masterpiece status IMO. It's easy to forget that you're just listening to just strings here because Popov makes plentiful use of divisi that gives the scoring a marvelously rich sound. The influence of Shostakovich is easy to discern, but Popov assimilates the master's style in a different way than does, say, Weinberg. The Symphonic Aria for cello and strings with which Symphony no. 3 is coupled is a very moving piece which is filled with grief and lyricism.

I've been trying to get ahold of these Olympia discs for quite a while now:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71dzawwewKL._SL500_SX300_.jpg)   (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ycf9loHBL._SY300_.jpg)

I see the one with Symphony no. 6 has a decently priced new copy ($17) available on Amazon, so I think I'll snap that up. Unfortunately, I can't find any copies of the disc with Symphony no. 5. :(

Now that I'm in a Soviet frame of mind, time to go resurrect that Shebalin thread (if one exists, that is)........
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: pencils on August 20, 2013, 01:04:19 PM
There are days on this forum when I kind of feel I am running round in circles, pointing at things and making childish 'Ooh, look at that', noises.

Today is yet another of those days.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on August 20, 2013, 02:24:16 PM
I really like the 6th Symphony, towards the end it seems to echo Boris Gudunov. I find it to be a powerful and poignant work.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: kyjo on August 20, 2013, 02:25:50 PM
There are days on this forum when I kind of feel I am running round in circles, pointing at things and making childish 'Ooh, look at that', noises.

Today is yet another of those days.

Care to elaborate on this? :)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on August 20, 2013, 02:29:56 PM
I own all of the Norther Flowers recordings. Popov's Symphony No. 2 "Motherland" made a strong impression when I first heard it. I remember it containing a gorgeous, heartbreaking slow movement. I can't say the same for his other music I heard. Yes, Symphony No. 1 is fun alright! :) I'd like to hear a better recording of Symphony No. 2 though.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: pencils on August 20, 2013, 03:04:54 PM
Care to elaborate on this? :)

There is so much to discover, that it is sometimes difficult not to run around like a loon pointing at stuff and being excited. At the same time, more than ever before, I am aware of how little I know. This is rarely a bad thing, as humility is a useful trait.

Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: kyjo on August 20, 2013, 03:08:33 PM
There is so much to discover, that it is sometimes difficult not to run around like a loon pointing at stuff and being excited. At the same time, more than ever before, I am aware of how little I know. This is rarely a bad thing, as humility is a useful trait.

Thanks. :) Yes, this forum is positively bursting with activity, especially with my jabberwocky self constantly hanging around! :D
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: BrianSA on August 22, 2013, 05:34:33 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know exactly how unfinished Popov's seventh symphony is?
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: relm1 on January 16, 2019, 04:55:55 PM
This is a very fine new recording of Popov's excellent Symphony No. 1. 
(https://avatars.yandex.net/get-music-content/113160/3b3f4d80.a.4778394-1/m1000x1000)
https://music.yandex.ru/album/4778394

I'm sure anyone viewing this page is already familiar with this work, but it is sort of like a 45 minute sprawling version of Scriabin's Poem of Ecstasy as interpreted by Shostakovich.  In fact, it uses similar orchestral forces such as 4.4.4.4/8.4.3.1/2timp+5perc (minimum)/2 harps, celesta, strings.  What's not to like?  This new recording is from a live performance and played flawlessly, full of details, very good intensity *cough* not Leon Botstein *cough*, and well performed/recorded.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: André on January 16, 2019, 05:55:40 PM
That makes 3 versions of the 1st symphony, then. I wish this Exton release was available on cd (appears to be mp3 only).

Meanwhile, the 4th symphony (choral) seems never to have been recorded.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: relm1 on January 17, 2019, 07:08:48 AM
That makes 3 versions of the 1st symphony, then. I wish this Exton release was available on cd (appears to be mp3 only).

Meanwhile, the 4th symphony (choral) seems never to have been recorded.

I think this is the fourth recording.  Others are:
* Leon Botstein
* Alexander Titov
* Gennady Provatorov
* This new one

Hopefully No. 4 gets a premiere recording soon and I would love the unfinished No. 7 too.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: André on January 17, 2019, 07:11:32 AM
You’re right. I didn’t know about the Titov recording.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Maestro267 on January 18, 2019, 07:45:28 AM
and I would love the unfinished No. 7 too.

Depends how finished it is, I guess. Or would you want someone to make a completion/performing version of the symphony?
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: relm1 on January 18, 2019, 08:46:51 AM
Depends how finished it is, I guess. Or would you want someone to make a completion/performing version of the symphony?

I wouldn't mind a completion but you're right, depends to what extent/quality the score is.  I've seen some incomplete works where at least one movement is fully completed but the second is barely there - just an idea or two.  The first movement should be heard.  But the second would really be the work of someone else taking an idea from the original composer which is probably less interesting to me unless they had some understanding of what was intended (eg: Bruckner 9th 4th movement).  Of course Mahler is the great example of work that was practically complete that not entirely orchestrated and was very convincingly completed into a performance version. 
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: SymphonicAddict on March 07, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
I've been revisiting the recorded symphonies (I really miss a recording of the 4th!), and I'm pretty impressed (again) by them. Popov was noticeably creative and gifted of an unquestionable musical talent. At least I haven't heard any weak symphony by him. Now I'm finishing listening to the 5th Pastoral. It's just brilliant, and as its title says, it has a pastoral mood, blended with some late-romantic passages of important beauty and heroic moments. Something to notice too is the fine orchestration that conveys the colourful canvas in all its splendour. It's easily a masterpiece imho.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on March 07, 2019, 02:26:30 PM
I've been revisiting the recorded symphonies (I really miss a recording of the 4th!), and I'm pretty impressed (again) by them. Popov was noticeably creative and gifted of an unquestionable musical talent. At least I haven't heard any weak symphony by him. Now I'm finishing listening to the 5th Pastoral. It's just brilliant, and as its title says, it has a pastoral mood, blended with some late-romantic passages of important beauty and heroic moments. Something to notice too is the fine orchestration that conveys the colourful canvas in all its splendour. It's easily a masterpiece imho.
Don't know the 'Pastoral' so well but I have the strongest opinion of 1, especially the Olympia recording, 2 'Motherland' and 6. All terrific IMO.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: SymphonicAddict on March 07, 2019, 05:39:51 PM
Don't know the 'Pastoral' so well but I have the strongest opinion of 1, especially the Olympia recording, 2 'Motherland' and 6. All terrific IMO.

The 6th is next, but tomorrow, so I'll listen to it with great pleasure and very open ears  :)

Even the tumultuous and dense 3rd Symphony for strings is spellbinding. I didn't recall it so powerful and eloquent. Popov has been an important rediscovery lately.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on March 07, 2019, 11:41:00 PM
The 6th is next, but tomorrow, so I'll listen to it with great pleasure and very open ears  :)

Even the tumultuous and dense 3rd Symphony for strings is spellbinding. I didn't recall it so powerful and eloquent. Popov has been an important rediscovery lately.

The 6th quotes movingly from Boris Godunov I think. The symphony tries to be 'Festive' but IMO is rather tragic - like Nielsen's 6th Symphony. Hope you enjoy it Cesar.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Scion7 on May 29, 2021, 03:03:58 AM
So much of his music that desperately needs to be issued, but will probably not see the day while I am still on the ground:
Violin concerto**
Piano concerto**
Cello concerto**
Organ concerto
Concertino for Violin and Piano, Op. 4
Octet, Op. 9
Serenade for Brass, Op. 26
Melody for Violin and Piano, Op. 35
Symphony for String Quartet, Op. 61 (1951)
Quintet for Flute, Clarinet, Trumpet, Cello and Doublebass

No idea what the state of the scores/parts are for any of these.

 :-X

** Updated - according to the New Grove, several of these - like the 7th symphony - were unfinished . . .
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on May 29, 2021, 04:09:50 AM
I think this is the fourth recording.  Others are:
* Leon Botstein
* Alexander Titov
* Gennady Provatorov
* This new one

Hopefully No. 4 gets a premiere recording soon and I would love the unfinished No. 7 too.
Provatorov is by far the best IMO.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Scion7 on May 29, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
During the Nazi assault on Leningrad (St. Petersburg), Popov and other important artists were evacuated to Alma-Ata, Kazakh SSR.  Today, the city is known as Almaty in the independent state of Kazakhstan. After a year there, he relocated to Moscow. Safe over a thousand miles away, he worked on scores to patriotic war films, Ermler's Partizanï (ona zashchishchayet rodinu) (‘Partisans She is Defending the Fatherland’) and the Vasil'yev brothers' Front.

(https://i.postimg.cc/j2SXZDhf/USSR.jpg)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on May 29, 2021, 09:17:17 PM
During the Nazi assault on Leningrad (St. Petersburg), Popov and other important artists were evacuated to Alma-Ata, Kazakh SSR.  Today, the city is known as Almaty in the independent state of Kazakhstan. After a year there, he relocated to Moscow. Safe over a thousand miles away, he worked on scores to patriotic war films, Ermler's Partizanï (ona zashchishchayet rodinu) (‘Partisans She is Defending the Fatherland’) and the Vasil'yev brothers' Front.

(https://i.postimg.cc/j2SXZDhf/USSR.jpg)
Interesting. Thanks.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: relm1 on June 25, 2021, 03:46:13 PM
I disliked Popov's Symphony No. 2 greatly, thinking it sounded so trivial.  It was a major let down from his bold and industrial No. 1.  But I just listened to it now and realize I didn't get it.  It's so fully indebted to the Russian tradition as was No. 1, but to a different tradition.  No. 1 is the result of the post Scriabin system.  I love Scriabin and immediately connected with Popov's use of Scriabin's colors and exoticism.  But No. 2, is clearly indebted to Mussorgsky's Russia.  I thought it was film music but it is really Khovanshchina.  A very traditional and perhaps even christian view of Russian liturgy ala Rachmaninoff and Mussorgsky.  It is a very traditional view of Russian music in contrast to No. 1 which is more exotic and industrial view of Soviet music.  A radical shift but musically speaking, very solid and dramatic, just theatrical.  I must confess I hated No. 2 but now, I have come to realize, I dislike the performance that seems to misunderstand the heritage this work is indebted to.  I hear so much Shostakovich in this work now if I think of it as Mussorgsky inspired and we can now hear this work not as a modernist composer but as a very nationalistic composer who used contemporary devices, with No. 1, Scriabin.   
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on June 25, 2021, 11:58:11 PM
I disliked Popov's Symphony No. 2 greatly, thinking it sounded so trivial.  It was a major let down from his bold and industrial No. 1.  But I just listened to it now and realize I didn't get it.  It's so fully indebted to the Russian tradition as was No. 1, but to a different tradition.  No. 1 is the result of the post Scriabin system.  I love Scriabin and immediately connected with Popov's use of Scriabin's colors and exoticism.  But No. 2, is clearly indebted to Mussorgsky's Russia.  I thought it was film music but it is really Khovanshchina.  A very traditional and perhaps even christian view of Russian liturgy ala Rachmaninoff and Mussorgsky.  It is a very traditional view of Russian music in contrast to No. 1 which is more exotic and industrial view of Soviet music.  A radical shift but musically speaking, very solid and dramatic, just theatrical.  I must confess I hated No. 2 but now, I have come to realize, I dislike the performance that seems to misunderstand the heritage this work is indebted to.  I hear so much Shostakovich in this work now if I think of it as Mussorgsky inspired and we can now hear this work not as a modernist composer but as a very nationalistic composer who used contemporary devices, with No. 1, Scriabin.   
Very interesting analysis. Oddly enough I was just reading a (negative) review of Popov's Symphony No.2 'Motherland' on Musicweb. I like the symphony very much and always have. Of course it is not nearly as original as the phantasmagoric Symphony No.1, which in my opinion is one of the only symphonies which compares with Shostakovich's 4th Symphony (the other one is Weinberg's 5th Symphony - especially in Kondrashin's recording). No.2 reminds me more of Khachaturian's Symphony No.2 'The Bell'. As with Popov's 6th Symphony, I find it very moving, especially the slow movement. AFAIK there are three recording by Provatorov, Titov and (surprisingly perhaps) Abendroth. I enjoy them all:
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Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on June 26, 2021, 04:55:47 AM
I like Popov’s 2nd symphony a lot and, in some ways, I consider it a better symphony than his oft-mentioned 1st.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on June 26, 2021, 04:57:05 AM
I like Popov’s 2nd symphony a lot and, in some ways, I consider it a better symphony than his oft-mentioned 1st.
Certainly, at the moment, I play it more than Symphony No.1. Both symphonies are great IMO.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on June 26, 2021, 05:17:57 AM
Certainly, at the moment, I play it more than Symphony No.1. Both symphonies are great IMO.

What do you think of Popov’s other symphonies? I own three Olympia recordings with various symphonies. I should revisit them.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on June 26, 2021, 06:21:19 AM
What do you think of Popov’s other symphonies? I own three Olympia recordings with various symphonies. I should revisit them.
The other one that I really like John is the valedictory No.6 'Festive'. Like Nielsen's 6th Symphony 'Sinfonia Semplice' it tries to be 'upbeat' and 'jolly' but tragedy keeps breaking through - that's my take on it anyway (although maybe that's more of a comment on myself! ;D). Anyway, I find it oddly moving. It is clearly IMO influenced by Mussorgsky's Boris Godunov and is all the better for it.
You can buy it for £95 on Amazon UK  :o
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Mirror Image on June 26, 2021, 06:34:08 AM
The other one that I really like John is the valedictory No.6 'Festive'. Like Nielsen's 6th Symphony 'Sinfonia Semplice' it tries to be 'upbeat' and 'jolly' but tragedy keeps breaking through - that's my take on it anyway (although maybe that's more of a comment on myself! ;D). Anyway, I find it oddly moving. It is clearly IMO influenced by Mussorgsky's Boris Godunov and is all the better for it.
You can buy it for £95 on Amazon UK  :o

Very cool, Jeffrey. Interesting interpretation. I look forward to revisiting that symphony. Ouch...that’s a steep price, indeed. I’m glad I bought those recordings several years ago. ;)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: relm1 on June 26, 2021, 03:12:44 PM
I'm very interested in hearing No. 4 since it is expansive with choir and orchestra but it seems completely missing. 
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on June 27, 2021, 01:31:14 AM
I'm very interested in hearing No. 4 since it is expansive with choir and orchestra but it seems completely missing.
Yes, I have 1,2, 3, 5 and 6 on Olympia or Northern Flowers CDs.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Dimitri.P on November 16, 2021, 12:03:27 PM
Dear Friends

great news!
 
we are releasing our new CD next week 27.11.21

with the World Premiere Recording of "Quartet-Symphony"

see trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaRzfcD-A8Y

thank you for having interest in this GREAT composer!
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: relm1 on November 16, 2021, 05:02:03 PM
Dear Friends

great news!
 
we are releasing our new CD next week 27.11.21

with the World Premiere Recording of "Quartet-Symphony"

see trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaRzfcD-A8Y

thank you for having interest in this GREAT composer!

Fantastic news to learn of new music by this wonderful composer!  Can't wait to hear it!  "heroic+lyrical" = a characteristic that embodies my favorite composers.
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: vandermolen on November 17, 2021, 10:32:03 AM
Great to know!
Can't wait.
 :)
Title: Re: Gavriil Popov 1904-1972
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 17, 2021, 07:28:50 PM
Dear Friends

great news!
 
we are releasing our new CD next week 27.11.21

with the World Premiere Recording of "Quartet-Symphony"

see trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaRzfcD-A8Y

thank you for having interest in this GREAT composer!

Me wants this!! For a little moment I had thought it was the Fourth Symphony (which is not recorded yet).

Thanks for sharing this good news!!