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Title: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 11:19:18 AM
Following the first thread I started in that vein (Schumann), I propose the work I consider to encompass most, if not all of what I hear in Shostakovich. The work that encapsulates all that makes him totally unique: the sound world, always recognizable whether it's in a chamber, orchestral or vocal work. The unique thematic cast. The mélange of nagging, motoric, driving rythms with moments of unbearable sadness and despair. Pride, defiance or clownish, satiric bite.  The total command of structure, whether it is unconventional (symphonies 6, 8 and 13) or classical.

After much debating, I narrrowed the choice between the 2nd piano Trio and...the Piano Quintet. The latter is my choice for the quintessential Shostakovich work. What nailed it for me is the very beginning: the commanding, almost intimidating piano introduction in the form of a Bach prelude. And of course all that follows.

- The arch-like 5 movement structure (half of his quartets and symphonies are cast in one form or another of arch structure with an odd number of movements). Contrary to the classical four movement structure, the arch gives a sense of timelessness within temporal confines, a sort or orb instead of the usual horizontal line (as in 'horizon' : what your eyes can see starting and ending at the confines of one's visual span).

- The melodic contents, one of the strongest of all his works. The conciseness with which he develops his material. contrary to other movements where conciseness is absolutely not one of his concerns, such as in the first movements of his 4th, 7th and 8th symphonies. The rest of these works if of necessity unbalanced, a fact that Shostakovich acknowledges and copes with). The  mastery and invention of its instrumentation. The full quintet is rarely used, except in the central scherzo. The extraordinary range used by the instruments, from the bottom to the top of their range (esp. the piano).

- The feeling that this is totally 'exposed' music from first to last. There is no place to hide - as in a Brahms quartet or quintet for example, where the middle voices and full use of the instruments' mid range create a very full, saturated sonority. It's as if nothing could possibly have been distributed differently: the instrumental voice that carries a particular melodic or rythmic aspect of the musical phrase. The character of the music demands exactly what the composer wrote. I suppose one could write the same of other DSCH works, but to my ears this is the one where the mix and concentration of these attributes is condensed to such a unique degree.

I'm not saying it's my preferred Shostakovich work, or the one that is most immediately appealing (it is not, by any stretch of the imagination). But to me it's the essence of DSCH.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 11:25:58 AM
The essence of Shostakovich can be found in many of his works. One of the most striking can be heard in the Passacaglia of the Violin Concerto No. 1. For me, it seemed like in this movement that Shostakovich finally broke down and expressed himself in such an honest way. All the sadness he was feeling around this time and about all of the things that were happening around him, so I do agree that the Piano Quintet is a tremendous work and deeply expressive, but Shostakovich was a complex musical personality. Trying to nail it down to one work is incredibly difficult to do.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 11:34:27 AM
In other words, you do not agree with the purpose of these threads, which is ok. Bear with me, as more are coming ;D
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 11:41:26 AM
Quote from: André on October 04, 2012, 11:34:27 AM
In other words, you do not agree with the purpose of these threads, which is ok. Bear with me, as more are coming ;D

The Largo movements of the Symphonies 5-7 are also emotionally revealing. String Quartet No. 8 has some of the most aggressive music wrote, which, again, reveals another side to this complicated man. All of these are valid statements that show Shostakovich in a different light.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Karl Henning on October 04, 2012, 11:53:11 AM
Here's a contrarian take on The Quintessential Shostakovich Piece:

The music for the Kozintsev film of Hamlet. You've got tragedy, you've got gallows humor, you've got pageantry, you've got the periods of introspective depth. As a thumbnail for Shostakovich, I think this music for a soundtrack can scarcely be bettered.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Scarpia on October 04, 2012, 12:31:22 PM
I find my enthusiasm for Shostakovich ebbing recently, but the sonata for viola and piano remains, for me, his most characteristic work.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: DavidW on October 04, 2012, 01:25:57 PM
The piano quintet while a fine piece, lacks the humor and charm of some of some of Shostakovich's other pieces.  I agree with MI, I don't think that you can find one all encapsulating piece.  But I give kudos to Karl for trying hard. ;D
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 04, 2012, 11:53:11 AM
Here's a contrarian take on The Quintessential Shostakovich Piece:

The music for the Kozintsev film of Hamlet. You've got tragedy, you've got gallows humor, you've got pageantry, you've got the periods of introspective depth. As a thumbnail for Shostakovich, I think this music for a soundtrack can scarcely be bettered.


I think I'll listen to this one again tonight, Karl. It's been awhile. You really must be smitten with this work.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 04, 2012, 01:44:42 PM
For humor, both playful and gallows, along with profound depth and despair, I nominate the 15th Symphony as having the essence of Shostakovich. It's both a summing up and a symphonic swan song.

Sarge
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 04, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 04, 2012, 01:44:42 PM
For humor, both playful and gallows, along with profound depth and despair, I nominate the 15th Symphony as having the essence of Shostakovich. It's both a summing up and a symphonic swan song.

Sarge

This, this, this and this, many times over.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Karl Henning on October 04, 2012, 02:57:00 PM
Aye, nice pick, Sarge.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 04, 2012, 01:44:42 PM
For humor, both playful and gallows, along with profound depth and despair, I nominate the 15th Symphony as having the essence of Shostakovich. It's both a summing up and a symphonic swan song.

Sarge

Good point, Sarge. In a sense it's like he was shedding away lots of excess baggage and scraping right to the nerves and bones of his music. As he did in what is for me his most sublime work, the 15th string quartet.

The Hamlet film score will be on the menu this week. It wouldn't dawn on me to choose a film or play score for obvious structural issues though. But the music is what counts!
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Brahmsian on October 04, 2012, 02:58:59 PM
Very difficult to even narrow down.

String Quartet # 8

Symphonies 5, 7, 8, 10, 11

Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: CaughtintheGaze on October 04, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
Piano Concerto No. 1
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Madiel on October 04, 2012, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: André on October 04, 2012, 11:34:27 AM
In other words, you do not agree with the purpose of these threads, which is ok. Bear with me, as more are coming ;D

I don't agree with the purpose for ANY composer.  What's the goal? To pigeonhole someone and say "that's who you are"?  How would you feel if someone took a single action of yours and used it to define the whole of you?
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: orfeo on October 04, 2012, 03:01:19 PM
I don't agree with the purpose for ANY composer.  What's the goal? To pigeonhole someone and say "that's who you are"?  How would you feel if someone took a single action of yours and used it to define the whole of you?

As I said ( which you quoted) It's ok not to agree with it. No need to develop an ulcer  ;).
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Madiel on October 04, 2012, 03:05:08 PM
LOL. Two lines = an ulcer.  If I wrote a paragraph you'd be writing my obituary.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
Quote from: orfeo on October 04, 2012, 03:05:08 PM
LOL. Two lines = an ulcer.  If I wrote a paragraph you'd be writing my obituary.

That's because you are very eloquent. A lot can be said in just two lines ;).
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Sammy on October 04, 2012, 03:12:26 PM
I'll go with the Op. 87 Preludes and Fugues - it's all there.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Since I believe Shostakovich is truly a multi-faceted musical personality and can't be summed with one composition, I nominate Symphony No. 8 as a work that shows him making an honest musical statement. This symphony was also a work that proved to be unpopular and was even banned I believe for eight or nine years. I consider it one of Shostakovich's greatest works.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Since I believe Shostakovich is truly a multi-faceted musical personality and can't be summed with one composition, I nominate Symphony No. 8 as a work that shows him making an honest musical statement. This symphony was also a work that proved to be unpopular and was even banned I believe for eight or nine years. I consider it one of Shostakovich's greatest works.

It's also my favourite Shostakovich work, bar none - warts and all. Its grandiloquence is so sincere (it bleeds sincerity) that I am gripped every time. And frightened. And shaken to the marrow by the savagery of the second scherzo.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: André on October 04, 2012, 06:20:12 PM
It's also my favourite Shostakovich work, bar none - warts and all. Its grandiloquence is so sincere (it bleeds sincerity) that I am gripped every time. And frightened. And shaken to the marrow by the savagery of the second scherzo.

For me, Symphonies 4-11 can hardly be bettered. These are symphonies that I adore and that show all of the sides to Shostakovich's personality. From the shattering beauty of the Largo of the 5th to the circus romp of the Presto movement of the 6th to zany, comical antics of the Allergo movement of the 9th to the diverse sound-world of the Moderato movement of the 10th, these symphonies, for me, reveal Shostakovich's incredible ability as a composer. Some critics have said Shostakovich was a one-sided composer. That doom and gloom permeate most of his music. I say actually listen to the music and get familiar with his range as a composer. The man could compose anything he wanted and had all the skill and technique to do just that, but what I admire most is beyond anything technical in his music, it speaks loudly with a heartfelt ingenuity that I don't always get from other composers. There's no hiding or ducking under anything in Shostakovich's music. He laid it all out there for the listener to interpret. We must come to our own conclusions about the music. In music as layered as Shostakovich's, it's easy to make assumptions and take guesses about what motivated him to write music the way he did, but the wonderful thing about it all is we'll never know and this is one of the most wonderful aspects of his music for me.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 08:18:14 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 07:30:31 PM
For me, Symphonies 4-11 can hardly be bettered. These are symphonies that I adore and that show all of the sides to Shostakovich's personality. From the shattering beauty of the Largo of the 5th to the circus romp of the Presto movement of the 6th to zany, comical antics of the Allergo movement of the 9th to the diverse sound-world of the Moderato movement of the 10th, these symphonies, for me, reveal Shostakovich's incredible ability as a composer. Some critics have said Shostakovich was a one-sided composer. That doom and gloom permeate most of his music. I say actually listen to the music and get familiar with his range as a composer. The man could compose anything he wanted and had all the skill and technique to do just that, but what I admire most is beyond anything technical in his music, it speaks loudly with a heartfelt ingenuity that I don't always get from other composers. There's no hiding or ducking under anything in Shostakovich's music. He laid it all out there for the listener to interpret. We must come to our own conclusions about the music. In music as layered as Shostakovich's, it's easy to make assumptions and take guesses about what motivated him to write music the way he did, but the wonderful thing about it all is we'll never know and this is one of the most wonderful aspects of his music for me.

Hurrah ! Hard to better this, MI :D. Shostakovich's honesty as a composer triumphed and showed through all the genres he attempted. His single greatest quality is that, whatever his circumstances and the very real risks he lived through daily as a citizen and an artist, he remained true to himself and to his fellow brethren. That it can be heard loud and clear in his compositions throughout his life is a tribute to his facility as a composer and his greatness as a human being.
Title: Re: The essence of Shostakovich can be found in THIS work
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: André on October 04, 2012, 08:18:14 PM
Hurrah ! Hard to better this, MI :D. Shostakovich's honesty as a composer triumphed and showed through all the genres he attempted. His single greatest quality is that, whatever his circumstances and the very real risks he lived through daily as a citizen and an artist, he remained true to himself and to his fellow brethren. That it can be heard loud and clear in his compositions throughout his life is a tribute to his facility as a composer and his greatness as a human being.

Thanks and I completely concur! ;) :D