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Edward Elgar's Falstaff 
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by Todd on Today at 04:33:05 AM »
From the Gray Lady: The Rise of the Far-Right Latina

This is what happens when the right type of person with the wrong types of views wins an election.  A Mexican-born citizen who wins office apparently cannot be labeled conservative, she (and they) must be labeled "far-right".  I wonder if she or the other fearsome "far-right" Latinas cited in the most august of news sources will make common cause with white nationalists.  The continued, inadvertent dilution of a once potent political phrase will be helpful, though.
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by fbjim on Today at 04:32:35 AM »
John Hamilton McWhorter V is entitled to say whatever idiotic things he wants about hip-hop and how angry he was at a rapper on the subway - his qualifications do not constitute an argument.


And frankly anyone who listens to someone with a roman numeral at the end of their name on the topic of hip-hop has something coming.
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by Madiel on Today at 04:30:52 AM »
John Hamilton McWhorter V (/məkˈhwɔːrtər/;[1] born October 6, 1965) is an American linguist with a specialty in creole languages, sociolects, and Black English. He is currently associate professor of linguistics at Columbia University,[2] where he also teaches American studies and music history.[3][4] He is the author of books on race relations, hip-hop and African-American culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McWhorter

That doesn't tell me what his qualifications in hip-hop are, apart from apparently hating it.

Seriously, I've just had another thread where someone repeatedly intimated that Hurwitz is not qualified to have a meaningful opinion on musicology despite being a qualified historian as well as a professional music reviewer. So I would prefer to know what his actual qualifications are related to American studies, music history, race relations and so on, rather than just being told that he talks about them a lot.
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by DizzyD on Today at 04:28:59 AM »
I did not comment on the article. You really don't seem to have registered that.

I commented on the quote. The quote you selected. And my comment has absolutely nothing to do with "knowledge" anyway, it has to do with the obvious logical problems of trying to move from a narrative about a single jerk rapping on the subway to a generalisation about an entire musical genre through to an even bigger statement about what ails African-Americans.

My job in fact involves an awful lot of logic and analysis. Which is pretty much why I can drive a truck through gaping logical holes. I might well find things in "the article" that I agree with or find worthy of consideration, but your insistence that I've somehow managed to comment on an article that I've never seen is a really really bad piece of logic. You know damn well what I commented on. Stop suggesting that I performed the miraculous feat of commenting on material other than the material that you provided...
I provided a link also to the rest of the article, and you couldn't even get the guy's racial group right. You didn't use your awesome skills of logic to dissect anything in the couple of paragraphs or the article as whole beyond your mistaken perception of a white guy being upset over a black guy rapping in a KFC and subway car.

Here's another McWhorter article to mull over, which seems pretty logically sound to me, even this isolated paragraph. But please take the trouble to read the whole thing before jumping in head first:

"First, it’s time for well-intentioned whites to stop pardoning as 'understandable' the worst of human nature whenever black people exhibit it. The person one pities is a person one may like but does not truly respect. Certainly whites must keep extirpating vestiges of racism, even within their own souls. But for David Howard to concur with his firing by Washington mayor Anthony Williams for using the word 'niggardly' is condescension, not compassion; for Nathan Glazer to reverse his longstanding opposition to affirmative action because whites 'owe' black people is to cast blacks as characters in a morality play, not to usher living human beings out of a historically conditioned wariness of school."

https://www.city-journal.org/html/what%E2%80%99s-holding-blacks-back-12025.html
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by milk on Today at 04:27:17 AM »
In linguistics. There's been a whole other thread where someone else has been telling me that you have to have the right kind of qualifications, whereas apparently here just having qualifications is enough.

I've got some qualifications. I actually have qualifications in three different fields of study. None of which are relevant to the issue at hand particularly, but hey, I do have some qualifications.
John Hamilton McWhorter V (/məkˈhwɔːrtər/;[1] born October 6, 1965) is an American linguist with a specialty in creole languages, sociolects, and Black English. He is currently associate professor of linguistics at Columbia University,[2] where he also teaches American studies and music history.[3][4] He is the author of books on race relations, hip-hop and African-American culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McWhorter
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by fbjim on Today at 04:25:45 AM »
John McWhorter is smarter than me and you, that’s for sure. Is he right about this issue? I’ve no idea

He isn't.
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by SimonNZ on Today at 04:25:32 AM »
Yeah, in part. Are you "well-informed"? I don't sense that sort of "venom" in Duke Ellington or Motown. What you're essentially saying is that to be "really black and free" requires generous doses of venom and hostility.

I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that any black musician in the pre Civil rights era who wanted to express their real outrage at racism in their music had no possibility of doing so. McWhorter seems to think that because it's not found in the music that that somehow shows that outrage wasn't felt by the musicians.
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by Madiel on Today at 04:21:43 AM »
Well then you should know better than to comment on and judge an article before actually reading it.

I did not comment on the article. You really don't seem to have registered that.

I commented on the quote. The quote you selected. And my comment has absolutely nothing to do with "knowledge" anyway, it has to do with the obvious logical problems of trying to move from a narrative about a single jerk rapping on the subway to a generalisation about an entire musical genre through to an even bigger statement about what ails African-Americans.

My job in fact involves an awful lot of logic and analysis. Which is pretty much why I can drive a truck through gaping logical holes. I might well find things in "the article" that I agree with or find worthy of consideration, but your insistence that I've somehow managed to comment on an article that I've never seen is a really really bad piece of logic. You know damn well what I commented on. Stop suggesting that I performed the miraculous feat of commenting on material other than the material that you provided, and stop assuming that my comment had anything to do with the material that you didn't provide. I never claimed I was commenting on the article, it's you who keeps saying that over and over despite it being incredibly obvious that it isn't true.
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The Diner / Re: Europe at War
« Last post by Todd on Today at 04:17:18 AM »
I personally have no idea how long it "should" take to seize, say, a city of 400,000 inhabitants defended by a brigade of ~10-15,000 professional troops (Mariupol), and therefore cannot comment on whether taking 82 days to fully capture the city (all of the populated areas of which had been seized within the first 3 weeks) is a sign of military incompetence or not.

No one else on this forum does, either.  Nor does anyone in the press.  Nor does anyone in the military, really.  Triumphalist proclamations of Russian weakness do not change that.  There are a couple severe flaws with Western analyses on the military action in Ukraine.  First, the Russian military is being compared to the US military and its bold, quick military successes in Afghanistan and Iraq.  The unparalleled conventional firepower of the US military is to be celebrated, and Shock and Awe is a doctrine to embrace.  Being able to launch over six-hundred cruise missiles on one city in one night, in tandem with traditional airstrikes, and being able to swoop in on capital cities of far smaller, weaker foes in a matter of days is the yardstick of successful war.  Any country that cannot do that is second rate at best.  Any non-American country that can do that is a threat to freedom.  You get it.  Second, proper definitions of victory and defeat are kind of hard to come by.  The US demonstrated its He Man military power earlier this century.  And it won the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Right?

It is now approximately as democratic as Russia is.

That The West should be willing to prolong a war for something called Ukrainian Democracy - whatever that is, exactly - is just another of the follies of this war.  It would be far worse if it were not Slavs doing almost all of the dying. 


It would end the war, and the only claim Putin could make would be that he still had forces in place as before. Not really a victory, though he undoubtedly would present it as such.

As for reparations, that is for the future. One thing at a time...

What you describe is an ambiguous victory at best.  It is not at all explicit.  This is the exact opposite of your prior proclamation.  Even this will not happen.
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