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Title: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Grazioso on June 01, 2007, 02:50:35 AM
I've been listening to these delightful works played beautifully by Accardo and Canino (part of the Brilliant Mozart box) and was wondering if anyone has recommendations for additional recordings.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: FideLeo on June 01, 2007, 03:09:43 AM
I've been listening to these delightful works played beautifully by Accardo and Canino (part of the Brilliant Mozart box) and was wondering if anyone has recommendations for additional recordings.

A recommendation for Jos van Immerseel - Midori Seiler on Zigzag Territories if HIP is desired.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Maciek on June 01, 2007, 03:20:11 AM
I wonder if anyone could comment on the Kaja Danczowska - Krystian Zimerman recording? I like them but wouldn't call mine an informed opinion.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SimonGodders on June 01, 2007, 05:06:17 AM
I've had this set for a few years and have never felt the need to acquire another:
(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00004SA87.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

If I had the money though, I'ld invest in all the Kagan/Richter on live classics. Bit pricey those discs though...
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: dirkronk on June 01, 2007, 06:21:39 AM
As incomplete but generous selections, the performances from Grumiaux/Haskil and (a bit older) Goldberg/Kraus have always been especially endearing to my ears. Availability on CD is another matter; perhaps someone here knows if they're currently in print.

Frankly, not everyone may want an integral set of the Mozart violin sonatas, but I feel safe in recommending this one: Grumiaux's later performances with Klien, augmented with ones by Poulet/Verlet and van Keulen/Brautigam in the complete set on Philips Mozart Edition, may not supplant the Haskil in my affection, but they ARE superb and have provided me with just about all I'd want of these works. Good sound, too. Since acquiring this set last year, I've kept it on my desk at work where I can pull out a disk and pop it into the boombox on (frequent) occasion.

Of course, there are plenty of others to consider (agree about the appeal of Kagan/Richter, for example), both historic and more recent, but the ones above should be on anyone's shortlist to audition.

FWIW,

Dirk
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Que on June 01, 2007, 08:00:25 AM
My recommendation (HIP) - super!

Q

(http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL136.jpg)  (http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL137.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 01, 2007, 08:16:25 AM
My recommendation (HIP) - super!

Q

(http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL136.jpg)  (http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL137.jpg)

Q - I've been looking for some HIP performances of these works - currently just own half of these pieces on a Philips Duo w/ Ingrid Haebler & Henryk Szeryng - excellent discs, well performed, and highly recommended; could just obtained their other volume, but  those Analekta releases are indeed enticing - quick question, are these packaged like the Philips Duos, i.e. 2 discs inside a single-sized jewel box?  Always thinking of storage room, 'ya know!  ;D  Thanks - Dave  :)

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KJP180ZFL._AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Que on June 01, 2007, 08:35:47 AM
...but  those Analekta releases are indeed enticing - quick question, are these packaged like the Philips Duos, i.e. 2 discs inside a single-sized jewel box? 

Dave, yes they are in slim double CD boxes. :)

BTW, some reviews: volume 1 (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=8715), volume 2 (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=9005).
Note that Classicstoday mixed up covers and content (cover of no.2 with no.1, content of no.1 with no.2 - but the reviews themselves are on the correct volume! ;D

Q
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Josquin des Prez on June 01, 2007, 08:57:32 AM
 Grumiaux/Klein for me.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 01, 2007, 10:57:22 AM
Dave, yes they are in slim double CD boxes. :)

BTW, some reviews: volume 1 (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=8715), volume 2 (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=9005).
Note that Classicstoday mixed up covers and content (cover of no.2 with no.1, content of no.1 with no.2 - but the reviews themselves are on the correct volume! ;D

Q - thanks for the comments & links - read both reviews (9/9 & 10/10) - will put these sets on my list!  :D
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: BorisG on June 01, 2007, 03:59:22 PM
Lonquich and Zimmermann.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 01, 2007, 04:44:48 PM
My recommendation (HIP) - super!

Q

(http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL136.jpg)  (http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL137.jpg)

Absolutely! My favorite cycle; wonderful playing, great sound from the instruments. I thought I was content with what I had until I got these!   :)

8)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 01, 2007, 04:50:29 PM
Absolutely! My favorite cycle; wonderful playing, great sound from the instruments. I thought I was content with what I had until I got these!   :)

8)

Gurn - thanks for the re-inforcement - already on my order list - just need to add a few more!  Dave  :D
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Steve on June 01, 2007, 06:07:11 PM
My recommendation (HIP) - super!

Q

(http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL136.jpg)  (http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL137.jpg)

Hmm, I could use a HIP cycle of these. For some reason, the only complete set of these I have remains the DG Boxed Set with Perlman.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Herman on March 30, 2009, 08:24:53 AM
The recordings which have given me the greatest pleasure are those by Szigeti.

But then he is my favourite violinist of all time, and I can see that he may not be everyone's cup of tea. He's a strong personality with a rather unusual fiddle tone.  So try before you buy!

If you mean the Szigeti Mozart Sonatas with Horszowski and Szell on Vanguard: these were recorded rather late in Szigeti's career and they are very hard to listen to, what with his very insecure intonation.

Mozart: Haskil / Grumiaux

Beethoven: Casadesus / Francescatti
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Que on March 30, 2009, 08:47:34 AM
Phillips has Grumeiux on a complete Mozart set, which is hard to beat

Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Sorin Eushayson on March 30, 2009, 09:49:58 AM
(http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL136.jpg)  (http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL137.jpg)
Oh yes, I went ahead and got these due to the recommendations found here and thought it was a superb set.  Great performances and the tone of these wonderful instruments is captured well.  A must-have.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: George on March 30, 2009, 10:02:49 AM
I only have one set but I love it. Lupu/Goldberg on Decca. 
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Josquin des Prez on March 30, 2009, 10:43:42 AM
I've been listening to the whole set recently, and it seems not all of the sonatas are of the same quality, even among the mature works. For those who are new and want to focus on the essential, i'd recommend the k377 to k380, then k454 and k526.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 30, 2009, 07:29:54 PM
For HIP fans this is not a bad idea at all:

Sigiswald Kuijken - Violin (Giovanni Grancino, Milano ca. 1700)
Luc Devos - Fortepiano (Claude Kelecom, Brussels 1978 after J.A. Stein, Augsburg 1788: disc 1-3; Brussels 2001 after J.A. Stein, Augsburg 1788: disc 4-5)

5 CDs (although the fifth one lasts just nineteen minutes), Accent, 1991-2005
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Que on March 30, 2009, 11:45:31 PM
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1290.0;attach=16840;image)

For HIP fans this is not a bad idea at all:

Sigiswald Kuijken - Violin (Giovanni Grancino, Milano ca. 1700)
Luc Devos - Fortepiano (Claude Kelecom, Brussels 1978 after J.A. Stein, Augsburg 1788: disc 1-3; Brussels 2001 after J.A. Stein, Augsburg 1788: disc 4-5)

5 CDs (although the fifth one lasts just nineteen minutes), Accent, 1991-2005

When looking for a good HIP version  afew years ago I sampled this - drawn by my admiration for Kuijken.
But I passed it over being taken back a bit by the very bright sound of both istruments and what I recall as equally bright, sharply accentuated playing and also accompaniment by Devos that was very much on the foreground.

I'm curious what I would make of it these days.... :) Might be very interesting after all.. ::)

Q
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Herman on March 31, 2009, 02:07:53 AM
In addition to the Haskil / Grumiaux I listen to the Richter / Kogan recordings.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 31, 2009, 02:54:30 AM
When looking for a good HIP version  afew years ago I sampled this - drawn by my admiration for Kuijken.
But I passed it over being taken back a bit by the very bright sound of both istruments and what I recall as equally bright, sharply accentuated playing and also accompaniment by Devos that was very much on the foreground.

I'm curious what I would make of it these days.... :) Might be very interesting after all.. ::)

Q


Some years ago my first impressions were rather similar, Que.

At first glance, I disliked the bright quality of the Kuijken’s violin in these recordings. But I finally bought the complete set because of the fine playing of Luc Devos. I think his job here is really superb.

BTW, your perceptions about the role of violin in these CDs are “theorically” confirmed in the booklet: “As is indicated by the frontispiece of all the sonatas for keyboard and violin by Mozart, the compositions are truly ones in which the keyboard plays the primary role. This genre developed in France, and spread rapidly into German-speaking countries, although did not occur without a certain reticence, about all on the part of violinists. Too often, they took such pieces to be sonatas for violin, and played them with all the brio and the ornaments, frequently excessive, of a soloist, which Leopold Mozart described as been in barely “passable” taste. Generally, in their sonatas, the French composers such as Schobert and Hüllmander  -and also Joseph Schuster, a composer active in Dresden, who influenced Mozart’s sonata- presented two conventional kinds of relations between the dominant keyboard and the accompanying violin. On the one hand, there could be a dialogue, in which the violin from time to time emphasized  certain motifs in a long keyboard phrase, and, on the other hand, an approach in which the violin provided a base of sound , accompanying the keyboard for long passage, in parallel melodies or supporting the keyboard with a sustained note or repeated figures. This is in contrast to the slow movements of Schuster, where the keyboard instrument accompanied the initial theme, often cantabile, presented by the violin. Mozart was clearly inspired by these sonatas, appreciating the almost equal importance given to the two instruments”.

All in all, not my first choice in these pieces, but a nice set.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: dirkronk on March 31, 2009, 04:59:07 AM
In addition to the Haskil / Grumiaux I listen to the Richter / Kogan recordings.

Herman, do you mean Richter and Kagan (I get Kagan and Kogan mixed up frequently, myself--slip of the keyboard and all that)...or are there ones I don't know about?

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 31, 2009, 05:26:41 AM
A Kuijken/Devos' example:


http://www.goear.com/files/external.swf?file=2a69231

Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Herman on March 31, 2009, 05:43:21 AM
Sorry, yes, it's Kagan. There are other ones. My mother has a double LP with Richter and Oistrakh playing Mozart sonatas.

About the Devos / Kuijken: one thing that troubles me about some HIPsters is this dogmatic emphasis on the first beat.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 31, 2009, 05:48:22 AM
About the Devos / Kuijken: one thing that troubles me about some HIPsters is this dogmatic emphasis on the first beat.

You probably don't know this, but the emphasis in funk music is "on the one". Them HIPsters are pretty funky, no?
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Coopmv on March 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
You probably don't know this, but the emphasis in funk music is "on the one". Them HIPsters are pretty funky, no?

This is one of my favorites, though it is not violin sonatas and was performed on modern instruments ...

Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 31, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
This is one of my favorites, though it is not violin sonatas and was performed on modern instruments ...

Stuart - this thread is obviously about the Violin Sonatas; the discs below have been overwhelmingly recommended by many on this forum (I've owned these recordings myself for a while and have listened to them a number of times); they are HIP and just wonderful - if you do not have any of these performances yet or even if you have a 'modern' set, these are worth exploring - highly recommended!  Dave  :)

(http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL136.jpg)  (http://www.analekta.com/media/analekta/album/t1600/PAL137.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Coopmv on March 31, 2009, 05:58:15 PM
I do have the following Mozart violin sonatas ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P3ANCX63L._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 31, 2009, 06:18:38 PM
I do have the following Mozart violin sonatas ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P3ANCX63L._SS500_.jpg)

Stuart - I've not heard these recordings to comment, although I do have & enjoy a lot of discs by Manze -interestingly, one of our members Jens reviewed this CD on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Violin-Sonatas-Richard-fortepiano/dp/B0009X6ZS4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1238551827&sr=8-6) - not sure that he has heard the recordings in question, but would be interested in his comments - hope others may offer some comparisons - Dave  :)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Coopmv on March 31, 2009, 06:44:06 PM
Stuart - I've not heard these recordings to comment, although I do have & enjoy a lot of discs by Manze -interestingly, one of our members Jens reviewed this CD on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Violin-Sonatas-Richard-fortepiano/dp/B0009X6ZS4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1238551827&sr=8-6) - not sure that he has heard the recordings in question, but would be interested in his comments - hope others may offer some comparisons - Dave  :)

Mozart is not exactly among the top five of my favorite composers.  As such, I definitely do not have a well-rounded collection of his works.  I may have over 100 Mozart's CD's/LP's (including a few of his operas on LP), the collection is modest compared with my Bach collection.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 31, 2009, 06:55:59 PM
Some years ago my first impressions were rather similar, Que.

At first glance, I disliked the bright quality of the Kuijken’s violin in these recordings. But I finally bought the complete set because of the fine playing of Luc Devos. I think his job here is really superb.

BTW, your perceptions about the role of violin in these CDs are “theorically” confirmed in the booklet: “As is indicated by the frontispiece of all the sonatas for keyboard and violin by Mozart, the compositions are truly ones in which the keyboard plays the primary role. This genre developed in France, and spread rapidly into German-speaking countries, although did not occur without a certain reticence, about all on the part of violinists. Too often, they took such pieces to be sonatas for violin, and played them with all the brio and the ornaments, frequently excessive, of a soloist, which Leopold Mozart described as been in barely “passable” taste. Generally, in their sonatas, the French composers such as Schobert and Hüllmander  -and also Joseph Schuster, a composer active in Dresden, who influenced Mozart’s sonata- presented two conventional kinds of relations between the dominant keyboard and the accompanying violin. On the one hand, there could be a dialogue, in which the violin from time to time emphasized  certain motifs in a long keyboard phrase, and, on the other hand, an approach in which the violin provided a base of sound , accompanying the keyboard for long passage, in parallel melodies or supporting the keyboard with a sustained note or repeated figures. This is in contrast to the slow movements of Schuster, where the keyboard instrument accompanied the initial theme, often cantabile, presented by the violin. Mozart was clearly inspired by these sonatas, appreciating the almost equal importance given to the two instruments”.

All in all, not my first choice in these pieces, but a nice set.

Great post, Antoine, you should introduce this discussion at the Classical Corner. Something we would like to get into there, I think. In any case, yes, you can clearly see in Mozart's violin sonata oeuvre that he spans the stylistic tastes, from keyboard dominant (which was the prevailing taste, beyond doubt) to equal partnership, which he gets (perhaps too much) credit for implementing. But these (and most "piano trios" of the time also) were first and foremost "accompanied sonatas", and the only obligatto instrument was the keyboard. By the end of the period, that was no longer true. Even Haydn's post-1780 piano trios can no longer be fully supported by a pianist alone.

8)

----------------
Listening to:
Boccherini Cello Quintets - Smithsonian Chamber Players / Bylsma - Boccherini Quintet in f for Strings Op 11 #4 2nd mvmt - Vivace
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Que on March 31, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
I do have the following Mozart violin sonatas ...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P3ANCX63L._SS500_.jpg)

I looked into this as well when making a choice, also: Seiler/Immerseel (one disc of "Viennese Sonatas" on Zig Zag) and Podger/Cooper (complete on Channel Classics). My memories of the Manze/Egarr are less vivid than on Kuijken/Devos, must have made less of an impression! :) I do remember it to be a bit mannered/laboured and Manze's tone ungenerous - digging deep and playing with high tension is fine for Biber, but Mozart is another matter IMO. I missed the fun, the interplay and the charm which I find in the Rivest/Breitman. (Of the competition I liked Seiler/Immerseel best BTW.)

BTW (II): just saw the other day a interesting new issue - in my experience these might just be the right performers for these works. :)

(http://images.jr.com/musicimages/1066624.jpg?CELL=380,380&QLT=67&FTR=3&BGCOLOR=FFFFFF&CVT=jpeg)

Review (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=12143)

Q
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Que on March 31, 2009, 11:42:53 PM
A Kuijken/Devos' example:

http://www.goear.com/files/external.swf?file=2a69231


Just for the fun of it, here is Rivest/Breitman! ;D
And thank you for your reply, agree with Gurn: very interesting! :)

[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11/4/1562799/2-02%20Sonate%20in%20A-dur%20KV%20526%20-%20Andante.mp3[/mp3]

Q
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 01, 2009, 04:33:29 AM
Great post, Antoine, you should introduce this discussion at the Classical Corner. Something we would like to get into there, I think. In any case, yes, you can clearly see in Mozart's violin sonata oeuvre that he spans the stylistic tastes, from keyboard dominant (which was the prevailing taste, beyond doubt) to equal partnership, which he gets (perhaps too much) credit for implementing. But these (and most "piano trios" of the time also) were first and foremost "accompanied sonatas", and the only obligatto instrument was the keyboard. By the end of the period, that was no longer true. Even Haydn's post-1780 piano trios can no longer be fully supported by a pianist alone.

Thanks, Gurn. This is an exciting theme, especially since Bach and during the entire Classical Period. For instance, the Bach's Violin Sonatas are truly trio sonatas with two parts for keyboard and the other for violin. It would be great to trail the gradual independence process of the keyboard: first a slave, then a citizen and finally a king (an absolute monarch in the case of piano music).  :)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 01, 2009, 04:39:06 AM
Just for the fun of it, here is Rivest/Breitman! ;D
Q

It has been an interesting experience to compare some Rivest/Breitman and Kuijken/Devos… Two very different (and nice) versions indeed.  :D
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: violinlands on April 22, 2009, 09:54:29 AM
I only have one set but I love it. Lupu/Goldberg on Decca. 

Tremendous, I heard them when they broadcast the whole cycle live. I still have the tapes I made. A great combination. Another good version I think, was the old Parliphone recordings by Goldberg and Krauss.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: FideLeo on April 29, 2009, 11:29:48 AM
(http://store.acousticsounds.com/images/as60gif/CLUD-001SA.jpg)

Very fine version of the Palatine sonatas with the ethereal sound of tangent piano for the keyboard part.

Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 10, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
Well, I was not planning on obtaining another set of these works, love my HIP performances from the previous page of this thread -  :D

But, these older recordings (1969 & 72) w/ Henryk Szeryng & Ingrid Haebler were released recently in a 4-disc box (2CD sized jewel box) at a good price on the Amazon MP; believe these were one of the favs in the old vinyl days - also received a great review in the Mar-April issue of the American Record Guide (attached) - so took a chance!

Well, I've gone through the set twice; recorded sound for the era is superb (a few clicks & pops) w/o surface noise; both instruments are up front w/ some dominance by the pianist (believe a point of discussion previously) - Szeryng is exquisite on the violin - even did some 'back to back' comparisons w/ my HIP set, and these older performances stand up quite well.  For the price, a recommendation for these historic recordings from two superb performers -  :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/MozartSzeryngHaebler/1245213962_8VEQp-O.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Coopmv on April 10, 2011, 09:50:39 AM
Well, I was not planning on obtaining another set of these works, love my HIP performances from the previous page of this thread -  :D

But, these older recordings (1969 & 72) w/ Henryk Szeryng & Ingrid Haebler were released recently in a 4-disc box (2CD sized jewel box) at a good price on the Amazon MP; believe these were one of the favs in the old vinyl days - also received a great review in the Mar-April issue of the American Record Guide (attached) - so took a chance!

Well, I've gone through the set twice; recorded sound for the era is superb (a few clicks & pops) w/o surface noise; both instruments are up front w/ some dominance by the pianist (believe a point of discussion previously) - Szeryng is exquisite on the violin - even did some 'back to back' comparisons w/ my HIP set, and these older performances stand up quite well.  For the price, a recommendation for these historic recordings from two superb performers -  :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/MozartSzeryngHaebler/1245213962_8VEQp-O.jpg)

I bought this wonderful set a few months ago.  I am glad that Newton Classic has released this set, which has been OOP for some times.  These recordings might have been released by Philips as singles back in the 60's or early 70's.  These old masters Szeryng and Haebler have stood the test of time very well IMO ...
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 10, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
I bought this wonderful set a few months ago.  I am glad that Newton Classic has released this set, which has been OOP for some times.  These recordings might have been released by Philips as singles back in the 60's or early 70's.  These old masters Szeryng and Haebler have stood the test of time very well IMO ...

Stuart - glad that you also enjoy these recordings; I was amazed (at their age), just how good these performances are!  Dave  :)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Coopmv on April 10, 2011, 02:45:01 PM
Stuart - glad that you also enjoy these recordings; I was amazed (at their age), just how good these performances are!  Dave  :)

I have always wondered how the current violin sensations such as Julia Fischer and Janine Jansen stack up against those old masters such as Henryk Szeryng, Arthur Grumiaux and Nathan Milstein?  To be sure, most of them had passed on before the HIP era really took off ...
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: coffee on August 04, 2012, 05:47:41 AM
There are a lot of them!

Which are your favorites?

Which seem to you to be the most famous or popular?

Which would you most highly recommend to a beginner in classical music?
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Opus106 on August 04, 2012, 05:49:41 AM
It's all here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1290
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: coffee on August 04, 2012, 08:13:40 AM
It's all here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1290

Thank you. It was an interesting thread. Only one of the posts discussed which sonatas to listen to first, which is what I'm really interested. But one is better than none. And other comments on there were interesting.

I think I've found a way to answer my own question, but if anyone has comments on that, I'd be interested.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: The Raven on August 04, 2012, 08:30:31 AM
My recommendations would be:
K296, K301, K302, K303, K304, K305, K306, K376, K377, K378, K379, K380, K454, K481, K526 and K547

K296, K301, K304, K378 and K454 should be the most popular five of them.

Listen to any of them.

K301,K304,K376 and K526 by Hahn and Zhu
K376, K378 and K379 by Kagan and Richter
and all of them by Goldberg and Lupu in addition with Podger and Cooper
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Opus106 on August 04, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
Only one of the posts discussed which sonatas to listen to first, which is what I'm really interested. But one is better than none. And other comments on there were interesting.

I think it speaks about my time spent in GMG: as soon as a topic seeking recommendations pop up, I assume it's about recordings. ;D
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: listener on August 04, 2012, 01:34:49 PM
I have the Willi Boskovsky/Lilli Kraus set in a stack to be played eventually.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Jem on August 07, 2012, 04:24:14 AM
Gil Shaham plays them absolutely beautifully – such unassuming poise always, whether he's playing Mozart or Bartok Violin Concerto No.2

Here's a youtube video of the famous E minor: the user has put loads of vids so this is not the only one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd-FCsatmTM
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: George on August 07, 2012, 05:23:58 AM
and all of them by Goldberg and Lupu in addition with Podger and Cooper

Agreed, though Grumiaux and Haskil are even better. Shame they didn't record them all.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 07, 2012, 05:30:27 AM
Gil Shaham plays them absolutely beautifully – such unassuming poise always, whether he's playing Mozart or Bartok Violin Concerto No.2

Here's a youtube video of the famous E minor: the user has put loads of vids so this is not the only one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd-FCsatmTM

The playing is lovely, I'm a fan of the Shaham siblings, but the power of the piano just steamrollered me. These instruments work much better for Dvorak and Brahms than for Mozart... :-\

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Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: The Raven on August 07, 2012, 05:57:53 AM
though Grumiaux and Haskil are even better.

for a beginner it'd be my 3rd choice :)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: The Raven on August 07, 2012, 06:07:45 AM
I'm a fan of the Shaham siblings, but the power of the piano just steamrollered me.


I absolutely agree with you. I don't like Hagai's Grieg but Gil's Brahms' and Bruch's concertos, Brahms' double with Wang, Beethoven's triple with Bronfman, romances, septet with Reid, Franck's violin sonata are all among my favorites
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: J.A.W. on April 20, 2013, 02:46:34 PM
How are the Arthur Grumiaux/Walter Klien interpretations rated compared to the Grumiaux/Clara Haskil ones?
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 20, 2013, 05:13:19 PM
How are the Arthur Grumiaux/Walter Klien interpretations rated compared to the Grumiaux/Clara Haskil ones?

I used to have the Grumiaux/Klien set. And I currently own one of the Grumiaux/Haskil discs with K.378, et. al.

The sound on the Haskil disc is problematic. Neither instrument sounds natural - each has an outsized profile that is almost blatty. Further, neither seem to inhabit the same acoustic, with the violin very forward and the piano muddy (yet still outsized). The net result being a lack of blend. Not much interplay. (Philips had better days).

The Klien set is much better recorded and the sense of interplay is palpable. The music-making is as fine as it gets. I only wish I could time travel and un-cull that puppy.

Another fine disc is this one with Dumay/Pires. Very musical with excellent interplay.





Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Geo Dude on April 21, 2013, 04:00:28 AM
The playing is lovely, I'm a fan of the Shaham siblings, but the power of the piano just steamrollered me. These instruments work much better for Dvorak and Brahms than for Mozart... :-\

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Now, now, don't encourage them!  There are HIPster Brahms fans out there that want more HIP recordings. :P

On a slightly more serious note this is one of my favorite recordings ever.  Great stuff:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51N291KR7PL._SY300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: North Star on April 21, 2013, 04:37:50 AM
I absolutely agree with you. I don't like Hagai's Grieg but Gil's Brahms' and Bruch's concertos, Brahms' double with Wang, Beethoven's triple with Bronfman, romances, septet with Reid, Franck's violin sonata are all among my favorites

Is Hagai related to Gil and Orli?
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: San Antone on April 21, 2013, 04:48:27 AM
Biondi/Tverskaya

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/dd/ba/145ec060ada0444756f3a110.L._SX300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Coopmv on April 21, 2013, 11:58:14 AM
Now, now, don't encourage them!  There are HIPster Brahms fans out there that want more HIP recordings. :P

On a slightly more serious note this is one of my favorite recordings ever.  Great stuff:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51N291KR7PL._SY300_.jpg)

I bought the entire series by Podger and Cooper a few months ago to add more HIP and SACD titles to my Mozart collection in addition to the Symphonies by Hogwood and Pinnock, which have been much discussed elsewhere ...
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Geo Dude on April 21, 2013, 01:17:00 PM
I bought the entire series by Podger and Cooper a few months ago to add more HIP and SACD titles to my Mozart collection in addition to the Symphonies by Hogwood and Pinnock, which have been much discussed elsewhere ...

Had any time to listen to the Podger set and give us some thoughts? :)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Gurn Blanston on April 21, 2013, 03:45:39 PM
Had any time to listen to the Podger set and give us some thoughts? :)

:D

Well, one thought I have is that I really need to get that set. Not that I'm not already overrun with these works, but I have heard Cooper playing elsewhere and I think I would like to hear his Mozart ideas. And Podger, it goes without saying, is always worth a listen.  :)

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Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Geo Dude on April 21, 2013, 05:55:10 PM
Yes, yes you do.  Volume one is great so you can just start there and move on if you like it.  I think that Podger's sweet tone works perfectly for Mozart.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Mandryka on March 13, 2018, 09:29:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/5G-U9Ye4l6E

Is there a more interesting performance of the E minor sonata K 304 than this one from Kuijken and Leonhardt?

By more interesting I mean one which brings out better the startling modernity and the mood of emotional resignation.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 09, 2021, 08:58:56 AM
TTT after 3 years! 8)  With Mozart, I often like to have a combination of PI and MI recordings - this morning I was listening to my box w/ Podger and Cooper on fortepiano; also own another PI set (of the later works) w/ Breitman and Rivest, so I'm happy in the PI arena w/ these works - would like to add one MI performance at least of the 'mature violin sonatas' - looking on Amazon USA, I just randomly picked the performers shown below - of course, Szeryng & Haebler is an older recording, oft recommended; Stern & Bronfman are mainly 5* on Amazon and at a good price; AS Mutter got some mixed reviews; and Tiberghien/Ibragimova are well received in Fanfare reviews (and have 5 volumes of 2-discs each! BTW, these are selling @ BRO) - would appreciate any comments and further recommendations - thanks all!  Dave :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71E0spe-c4L._SL1500_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61op2-xWG-L.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71icEp2Sg7L._SL1200_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Uo-mJYNXL.jpg)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Jo498 on October 09, 2021, 09:22:43 AM
There is a great modern (rec. early 1990s) set on EMI with a good balance between the musicians that used to be very cheap with Frank Peter Zimmermann and Alexander Lonquich (who has one 5th disc for himself with piano solo pieces). However, I don't know any of the ones you depict.


Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Florestan on October 09, 2021, 09:31:12 AM
My Top 3 sets, in no particular order except the first, which is the first:

1.

(https://images.universal-music.de/img/assets/128/128763/4/720/mozart-complete-violin-sonatas-0028947763185.jpg)

2.

(https://img.discogs.com/WT14YccV6Qx_i6plHOl5YUAAfhg=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-14072092-1567310139-9656.jpeg.jpg)

3.

(https://angartwork.akamaized.net/?id=1046068&size=640)



Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Todd on October 09, 2021, 10:47:54 AM
There is a great modern (rec. early 1990s) set on EMI with a good balance between the musicians that used to be very cheap with Frank Peter Zimmermann and Alexander Lonquich (who has one 5th disc for himself with piano solo pieces).


I keep wanting that to be re-reissued, either individually or as part of a Zimmermann or Lonquich box. 

One of the highest highlights of the Grumiaux big box is the digital Mozart cycle with Walter Klien.  I've heard no better playing of the works.  Also, Zukerman and Neikrug are far better than they ought to be.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 09, 2021, 11:23:20 AM
There is a great modern (rec. early 1990s) set on EMI with a good balance between the musicians that used to be very cheap with Frank Peter Zimmermann and Alexander Lonquich (who has one 5th disc for himself with piano solo pieces). However, I don't know any of the ones you depict.



I keep wanting that to be re-reissued, either individually or as part of a Zimmermann or Lonquich box. 

One of the highest highlights of the Grumiaux big box is the digital Mozart cycle with Walter Klien.  I've heard no better playing of the works.  Also, Zukerman and Neikrug are far better than they ought to be.

Thanks Jo... & Todd for your responses - looked at the Zimmermann/Lonquich box on Amazon USA, only used available (usually not a problem for me) but would be about $48 USD (checked Presto & JPC but not there); the reviews I found were good.  As for Grumiaux, a few offerings w/  Haskil, but incomplete and not cheap.  As for Szeryng & Haebler, I had a 2-disc set but culled it out (not sure why - old sound? Or preferred my PI recordings?).

The Stern & Bronfman 4-CD offering is a great price but cannot find reviews (except for mostly 5* on Amazon) - it is available on Spotify for a listen.  Finally, Tiberghien/Ibragimova are piquing my interest the most (all 5 2-disc releases available at BRO for $9 each, so a storage issue); but the reviews I've been reading (attached) are just superlative, esp. from Fanfare where comments on all sets are included.  Thanks again - Dave :)
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Jo498 on October 09, 2021, 11:47:55 PM
I have been so satisfied with Zimmermann that my only other complete (or more than complete) is the box issue with Podger/Cooper.
I recommend the handful? with Kagan and Richter (usually live on Live Classics, but some are on an EMI twofer with Beethoven), I also have a bunch of historical recordings (in the Diapason collection, also some Heifetz) and a cheap selection of Pauk/Frankl (they were on Vox and then incomplete on super cheap Documents/Quadromania).
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Mandryka on October 09, 2021, 11:56:12 PM
I have been so satisfied with Zimmermann that my only other complete (or more than complete) is the box issue with Podger/Cooper.
I recommend the handful? with Kagan and Richter (usually live on Live Classics, but some are on an EMI twofer with Beethoven), I also have a bunch of historical recordings (in the Diapason collection, also some Heifetz) and a cheap selection of Pauk/Frankl (they were on Vox and then incomplete on super cheap Documents/Quadromania).

I don’t think that the Pauk was all transferred, it is my favourite of the inauthentic recordings - though I have a soft spot for Danczowska’s single CD.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Jo498 on October 10, 2021, 12:15:37 AM
I don't know if there might have been a CD set of Pauk/Frankl on Vox. As I wrote the cheapo quadromania is incompetently incomplete with one disc having less than 40 min. playing time. There is another single cheapo CD with lots of overlap but one sonata missing from the quadro but still not complete and a later (I think, maybe live) BBC disc with Pauk.

It should be noted that most sets aren't "complete", usually missing all the early/dubious? sonatas before K 296 and sometimes also the fragments or K 547.

Last night I listened to two sonatas (304 and 380) with Szigeti/Horszowski from the 1950s in the Diapason Mozart box and they were quite interesting, basically the opposite of "china doll" Mozart, i.e. utterly serious, even grim in the e minor.
Title: Re: Mozart Violin Sonatas
Post by: Scion7 on October 12, 2021, 01:14:13 PM
I have several versions, but I keep going back to this 1977 vinyl box-set:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qtkhp6xf/R-6310987-1416168216-7258-jpeg.jpg)

Which was licensed from MHS by ASV in the early 80's and issued as single LP's:
(https://i.postimg.cc/K8zjmyvx/R-7417205-1494860903-9570-jpeg.jpg)