The Archduke Trio is my favorite classical work. It is my birthday so I intend to listen to it after work. I haven't decided which recording I would listen to though so I thought I would ask what your favorite recording is? I own the Beaux Arts Trio and the Florestan Trio but can stream almost anything.
Many happy returns my friend. The Archduke trio is a good choice for a festive occasion.
Congratulations!
I have around a half dozen recordings of the Archduke Trio but I never did serious comparison. I used to like the ca. 1940 with Rubinstein, Heifetz, Feuermann that is both fierce and lyrical. Some later recordings are a bit too broad, not to say "fat". Another highly regarded one that I think I liked is the Suk Trio (Supraphon 1960s). (I also have Fontenay and Hungarian Trio in complete recordings, Castle Trio (HIP) and probably another one or two in anthologies.)
I have to admit that it might not even be my favorite Beethoven trio (at least there is strong competition from the underrated op.70 Nr.2 E flat major). I love the scherzo and the slow movement that is a stunning case how impressive and "soulful" mostly figurative variations can be (and without doing such a tour de force as in op.111) but the finale is a bit of a stumbling block with its "Gassenhauer" or Rossinian lightness. (One is reminded of anecdotes when the young Beethoven moved listeners to tears by his playing but then closed with a bang or started laughing.)
To my surprise I don't own any recording of this work. What if I haven't even heard the work at all? ???
EDIT: I listened to the piece on Spotify, (Stuttgart Piano Trio). Brilliant Classics has a cheapo set of Beethoven's music for piano trio.
I have a couple of recordings which are old favorites [Don't think that I have any relatively recent recordings of it?]:
The Rostropovich, Gilels and Kogan and
Cortot, Thibaud and Casals
And Happy Birthday!!
PD
I usually find myself listening to the Florestan Trio in this piece, but agree that it's not one I spend a lot of time on. The Zingara Trio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVHa1Hz61l8) is also worthwhile, especially for the performance of the slow movement, which is taken at a completely historically inaccurate tempo that somehow works perfectly. I'm not familiar offhand with any historically informed recordings—I have definitely listened to the Beths/Bylsma/Immerseel recording but don't remember anything about it.
I checked and have the Gilels et al. and the Immerseel as well. I think I clearly preferred the Castle trio (EMI/Virgin) to Immerseel for historical instruments but these are about 30 years old by now, so I'd expect there to be more recent historically informed recordings.
Happy birthday! I don't know a lot about this piece and only seem to own four or five recordings (Beaux Arts, Wanderer, several with Rubinstein in his big box set). Right now in your honor I am playing the recording with Szeryng, Fournier, and Kempff.
Thanks all, I've decided to go with Rostropovich, Gilels and Kogan! Will start listening in the next few minutes.
Haven't really re-evaluated this one in at least a couple decades. Would usually go for the Suk Trio's earlier recording or Stern-Istomin-Rose
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Great recordings of the Archduke: Suk Trio, Beaux Arts (1965 Philips recording).
The two Casals recordings are also epic, but hors concours due to limited sound quality - being historical and live respectively.
Quote from: DavidW on September 29, 2021, 04:39:12 AM
The Archduke Trio is my favorite classical work. It is my birthday so I intend to listen to it after work. I haven't decided which recording I would listen to though so I thought I would ask what your favorite recording is? I own the Beaux Arts Trio and the Florestan Trio but can stream almost anything.
I'm not a big fan of Beethoven's piano trios so take it with a grain of salt.
But I would recommend the Capucon brothers with Frank Brailey on piano:
On Spotify the album starts with the Ghost trio:
https://open.spotify.com/album/6Zkzy8c0Zax3LkGLKOBhnq?si=qK3P-aNKQUCMprTA3QWvuA&dl_branch=1
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Quote from: Daverz on September 29, 2021, 07:17:57 PM
Haven't really re-evaluated this one in at least a couple decades. Would usually go for the Suk Trio's earlier recording or Stern-Istomin-Rose
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Oh, I had forgotten about
that Suk Trio one! And, yes, it's lovely! :)
PD
Quote from: Que on September 30, 2021, 02:14:21 AMStaier, Sepec and Queras (HM) on period instruments.
I wish. Queyras recorded the Archduke with Faust and Melnikov on modern instruments. With Staier and Sepec it's only Op. 1/3 and 70/1.
I was too tired when I listened to properly enjoy it... so I'll try again with the Suk Trio this time as that has seemed to emerge as the recording to consider on this thread.
Quote from: amw on September 30, 2021, 05:59:30 AM
I wish. Queyras recorded the Archduke with Faust and Melnikov on modern instruments. With Staier and Sepec it's only Op. 1/3 and 70/1.
My bad....I was confused with the "Geister- Trio"!
Still a great performance. :)
Quote from: DavidW on September 30, 2021, 06:54:58 AM
I was too tired when I listened to properly enjoy it... so I'll try again with the Suk Trio this time as that has seemed to emerge as the recording to consider on this thread.
The Suk Trio becomes Suck Trio when you are too tired? ;D
Quote from: DavidW on September 30, 2021, 06:54:58 AM
I was too tired when I listened to properly enjoy it... so I'll try again with the Suk Trio this time as that has seemed to emerge as the recording to consider on this thread.
This is what happens when you party too hard too early! Fewer mimosas next time!
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Quote from: Brian on September 30, 2021, 08:17:20 AM
This is what happens when you party too hard too early! Fewer mimosas next time!
lol no partying. Just exhausted from closing and moving while staying on top of work. This is my first weekend off in weeks.
Belated felicitations :)
I have always been particularly fond of the Stern/Rose/Istomin version:
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Quote from: Que on September 30, 2021, 08:13:45 AM
My bad....I was confused with the "Geister- Trio"!
Still a great performance. :)
HIP recording by Immerseel, Bylsma and Beths.
Quote from: amw on September 30, 2021, 05:59:30 AM
I wish. Queyras recorded the Archduke with Faust and Melnikov on modern instruments. With Staier and Sepec it's only Op. 1/3 and 70/1.
wait. No. The Melnikov is period. He plays a Streicher.
btw I listened to the Archduke and Op 70 #2 from the Suk Trio set... wow! that is a great recording.
Quote from: milk on October 04, 2021, 04:42:13 AM
HIP recording by Immerseel, Bylsma and Beths.
I never really warmed to one. Not sure why... perhpas too straight laced?
Quotewait. No. The Melnikov is period. He plays a Streicher.
It's a 1828 Alois Graf. :D There is some debate whether the playing is quite so historically informed.
But views are mostly positive. I'm going to give it a try if it's on Spotify.
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Quote from: DavidW on October 06, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
btw I listened to the Archduke and Op 70 #2 from the Suk Trio set... wow! that is a great recording.
+1 for the Suk Trio. But generally I love their playing of just about anything. With some works I have a (stupid!) obsession to hear/get multiple versions but with this work and performance I'm more than happy with just one
Quote from: Roasted Swan on October 07, 2021, 12:36:45 AM
+1 for the Suk Trio. But generally I love their playing of just about anything. With some works I have a (stupid!) obsession to hear/get multiple versions but with this work and performance I'm more than happy with just one
I'd bet most people around here like to hear multiple versions so I don't think it's stupid.
Quote from: DavidW on October 06, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
btw I listened to the Archduke and Op 70 #2 from the Suk Trio set... wow! that is a great recording.
Glad that you enjoyed it!
So, did you get any neat CDs (or audio equipment) for your birthday? :)
Quote from: Roasted Swan on October 07, 2021, 12:36:45 AM
+1 for the Suk Trio. But generally I love their playing of just about anything. With some works I have a (stupid!) obsession to hear/get multiple versions but with this work and performance I'm more than happy with just one
You're not along with being obsessed with hearing different recordings/performances of favorite works. :-[ :)
PD
Quote from: Todd on October 01, 2021, 05:28:25 PM
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This is the first Decca release I've come across that was streaming/digital download only, that is disappointing.
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 07, 2021, 04:40:33 AM
Glad that you enjoyed it!
So, did you get any neat CDs (or audio equipment) for your birthday? :)
Yes, the Ivan Fischer Mahler 3. I purchased it from arkivmusic but they never delivered and I ended up doing a charge dispute since CS was useless. I won't ever purchase from Arkiv ever again, they are unreliable. But anyway... so I asked for it for my birthday and received it as a present.
Quote from: DavidW on October 07, 2021, 06:21:37 AM
Yes, the Ivan Fischer Mahler 3. I purchased it from arkivmusic but they never delivered and I ended up doing a charge dispute since CS was useless. I won't ever purchase from Arkiv ever again, they are unreliable. But anyway... so I asked for it for my birthday and received it as a present.
Oh, nice!
PD
Quote from: hvbias on October 07, 2021, 05:11:34 AM
This is the first Decca release I've come across that was streaming/digital download only, that is disappointing.
+1
Especially since the clips I heard on Youtube actually looked very good...
Please Todd, we want a new suggestion!
...
Personally, two recordings that I remember enjoying ...
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Quote from: mabuse on October 07, 2021, 12:06:00 PM
+1
Especially since the clips I heard on Youtube actually looked very good...
Please Todd, we want a new suggestion!
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodscode=714831467
Quote from: DavidW on October 07, 2021, 06:21:37 AM
Yes, the Ivan Fischer Mahler 3. I purchased it from arkivmusic but they never delivered and I ended up doing a charge dispute since CS was useless. I won't ever purchase from Arkiv ever again, they are unreliable. But anyway... so I asked for it for my birthday and received it as a present.
I've also permanently stopped using Arkiv, although in my case, they did quickly refund the $300 of stuff they never shipped.
Quote from: Todd on October 07, 2021, 05:36:25 PM
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodscode=714831467
Thanks. Their website says it is digital release only. I think I've heard every version of Archduke except for less popular ones like self published and no one sounds like Trio Owon.
Quote from: Brian on October 08, 2021, 07:18:02 AM
I've also permanently stopped using Arkiv, although in my case, they did quickly refund the $300 of stuff they never shipped.
Good to know I'm not the only one.
Quote from: DavidW on October 08, 2021, 12:56:17 PM
Good to know I'm not the only one.
Yeah, I and a friend of mine had problems recently with Arkiv Music. I really don't know what the hell has happened to them but they seem to be very disorganized.
All seemed to start when they redid their website, which has not been a user friendly change in my opinion and certainly not an improvement.
Quote from: OrchestralNut on October 08, 2021, 01:16:58 PM
Yeah, I and a friend of mine had problems recently with Arkiv Music. I really don't know what the hell has happened to them but they seem to be very disorganized.
All seemed to start when they redid their website, which has not been a user friendly change in my opinion and certainly not an improvement.
Sad. I haven't been there in a while, but they used to have the best website of all Classical sellers. Packed with info and easy to find answers. They were actually my first vendor, back in the 1990's I bought a pisspot-full of CD's from them. Just like an old girlfriend, we drifted apart over time, getting together for just a wee drop of connubial bliss on occasion.... :(
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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 08, 2021, 01:35:00 PM
Sad. I haven't been there in a while, but they used to have the best website of all Classical sellers. Packed with info and easy to find answers.
I felt the same way. I used to love looking at their site for information. Not anymore. :-\
The recording I imprinted on and still a favorite, Trio di Trieste's pre-DG first
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Quote from: OrchestralNut on October 08, 2021, 01:16:58 PM
Yeah, I and a friend of mine had problems recently with Arkiv Music. I really don't know what the hell has happened to them but they seem to be very disorganized.
All seemed to start when they redid their website, which has not been a user friendly change in my opinion and certainly not an improvement.
My experience was that when they didn't ship the cds I called CS but it just went to voicemail. I think I tried both voicemail and email with no reply. I eventually started a dispute to get a charge back. My credit card company never got a hold of them either and I won the dispute.
Several years ago, you would place an order and a day or two later the entire thing would ship. Arkivmusic is not cheap, I just wanted to support a store that catered to us. Oh well.