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The Diner / Re: Coronavirus thread
« Last post by k a rl h e nn i ng on Today at 03:40:53 PM »
1.62 %  ;)

My impression is that this figure has always been pretty slim.
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The Diner / Re: Coronavirus thread
« Last post by 71 dB on Today at 03:36:34 PM »
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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: Purchases Today
« Last post by T. D. on Today at 03:31:29 PM »
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Sibelius
Symphony no. 5
Symphony no. 7
Berlin Philharmonic
Herbert von Karajan

(on Spotify)



I might have underestimated how much I liked Karajan's Sibelius - outstanding performances. I've never heard the Seventh done better!

Berglund joins my list of favorite recordings of the Seventh, also Blomstedt and Segerstam. Järvi on DG spoils it to me, frustratingly. I was quite disappointed when I heard it some while ago. This symphony needs to flow effortlessly, unfold organically and cohesively. This is a work of my most heartfelt sentiments and tastes. Sibelius had reached his creative symphonic output up to this point, only leaving Tapiola out as a significant piece. His symphonic journey (the seven numbered + Kullervo) is of outstanding originality and distinctiveness, having a voice very of his own.
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by 71 dB on Today at 03:30:19 PM »
Suffice it to say that I disagree on many points.

Explain why you disagree. It is good to explain your beliefs to other people, because you can "test" your believes that way. I want my beliefs to hold water. If I notice that's not the case I need to adjust my beliefs.

The demands of progressives might sadly be politically unrealistic (maybe because the progressives don't know how to play hardball and use leverage), but those demands are not fiscally unrealistic.
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The Tallis Scholars singing Josquin's Missa pange lingua.
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by k a rl h e nn i ng on Today at 03:20:05 PM »
No Karl. Biden won (the primary) because of the "most electable" narrative of corporate media + some other things such as "Obama years nostalgia" and the orchestration of corporate candidates going behind Biden at the critical moment. Even Elizabeth Warren stabbed Bernie in the back in her delusional hopes for becoming Biden's VP pick. It was rigged against Bernie from the beginning: Buttigieg* was made the victor of Iowa despite of the race being close (plus things behind the scenes that corporate media didn't talk about) to have the narrative of Bernie being a loser. People wanted rid of Trump so they wanted a winner and despite of agreeing with Bernie the most politically the played safe and went behind the "safe" options regurgitated in media. I followed all of this very closely at the time and it was very frustrating to see so many here so clueless of how the primary went. The DNC practically stopped Bernie two times from becoming the president to protect the oligarchy. It is a massive loss for regular Americans, but hey, why do I care? I have** the nice things millions of Americans can only dream about. My mistake was being so slow to understand the US is not a first world country. It is just a large, very rich and militarily powerful third world country pretending to be a beacon of democracy and freedom what it might have been in the past, but is far from that anymore. The US was a really great country in the WWII and with the Marshall program helping Europe get on its feet and making them allies. In the 50's and 60's the US had prosperous middle class and strong unions, but then things started going wrong and from the late 70's it has been downhill. As a society the US has become very unstable and divided. The corporate media has lied to the people for decades driving a lot of people insane not knowing who they can trust. So they trust "outsiders" like Trump.

Biden got 7 million more votes, but it could have gone for Trump. It was a close call. Covid-19 helped Biden because it exposed to the incompetence of Trump to some voters.

Washington Post does have good articles, but when it comes to defending the oligarchs, it shouldn't be unclear whose side they take. It is corporate media outlet owned by oligarchs. They will take lefty position only when it is convenient such as in symbolic issues. They might be "progressive" on social issues (gay marriage, racism, gender equality etc.) but they are not progressive on economic issues. That's why they call the demands of the progressives unrealistic. Understanding this isn't rocket science. Maybe people are just unwilling to admit the media they have trusted all they lives aren't as trustworthy as they have believed. Cognitive dissonance?

* In the beginning the establishment wasn't so firmly behind Biden. Any corporate candidate would have been good for them such as Pete Buttigieg. The most important thing was to stop Bernie. For the establishment even a second term for Trump would have been better than Bernie as the president, because Bernie would have been the president of the bottom 99 %, not the top 1 %.

** Well, buying Reese's Peanut Butter Cups in Finland is difficult and if they are sold somewhere the price is 3 times what they cost in the US. That's one of the only things I envy Americans for.  :P



Suffice it to say that I disagree on many points.
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The Diner / Re: Coronavirus thread
« Last post by T. D. on Today at 03:18:29 PM »
Check your math.
:laugh: 🤣

MAGAmatics!
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Sibelius
Symphony no. 5
Symphony no. 7
Berlin Philharmonic
Herbert von Karajan

(on Spotify)



I might have underestimated how much I liked Karajan's Sibelius - outstanding performances. I've never heard the Seventh done better!
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by 71 dB on Today at 03:12:55 PM »
You may not be happy with the idea of centrism, Poju, but again, Biden won the election because he was not as left as Bernie. A crucial element in Biden's victory was Republicans/Conservatives who abhor Trump. If these people support Biden in spite of not agreeing with him 100% the Progressives ought to manage to be equally adult and realistic, as well.

No Karl. Biden won (the primary) because of the "most electable" narrative of corporate media + some other things such as "Obama years nostalgia" and the orchestration of corporate candidates going behind Biden at the critical moment. Even Elizabeth Warren stabbed Bernie in the back in her delusional hopes for becoming Biden's VP pick. It was rigged against Bernie from the beginning: Buttigieg* was made the victor of Iowa despite of the race being close (plus things behind the scenes that corporate media didn't talk about) to have the narrative of Bernie being a loser. People wanted rid of Trump so they wanted a winner and despite of agreeing with Bernie the most politically the played safe and went behind the "safe" options regurgitated in media. I followed all of this very closely at the time and it was very frustrating to see so many here so clueless of how the primary went. The DNC practically stopped Bernie two times from becoming the president to protect the oligarchy. It is a massive loss for regular Americans, but hey, why do I care? I have** the nice things millions of Americans can only dream about. My mistake was being so slow to understand the US is not a first world country. It is just a large, very rich and militarily powerful third world country pretending to be a beacon of democracy and freedom what it might have been in the past, but is far from that anymore. The US was a really great country in the WWII and with the Marshall program helping Europe get on its feet and making them allies. In the 50's and 60's the US had prosperous middle class and strong unions, but then things started going wrong and from the late 70's it has been downhill. As a society the US has become very unstable and divided. The corporate media has lied to the people for decades driving a lot of people insane not knowing who they can trust. So they trust "outsiders" like Trump.

Biden got 7 million more votes, but it could have gone for Trump. It was a close call. Covid-19 helped Biden because it exposed to the incompetence of Trump to some voters.

Washington Post does have good articles, but when it comes to defending the oligarchs, it shouldn't be unclear whose side they take. It is corporate media outlet owned by oligarchs. They will take lefty position only when it is convenient such as in symbolic issues. They might be "progressive" on social issues (gay marriage, racism, gender equality etc.) but they are not progressive on economic issues. That's why they call the demands of the progressives unrealistic. Understanding this isn't rocket science. Maybe people are just unwilling to admit the media they have trusted all they lives aren't as trustworthy as they have believed. Cognitive dissonance?

* In the beginning the establishment wasn't so firmly behind Biden. Any corporate candidate would have been good for them such as Pete Buttigieg. The most important thing was to stop Bernie. For the establishment even a second term for Trump would have been better than Bernie as the president, because Bernie would have been the president of the bottom 99 %, not the top 1 %.

** Well, buying Reese's Peanut Butter Cups in Finland is difficult and if they are sold somewhere the price is 3 times what they cost in the US. That's one of the only things I envy Americans for.  :P

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