Emotion in Classical Music Experiment

Started by Shatera, March 12, 2023, 11:14:19 PM

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Brahmsian

Quote from: Cato on March 22, 2023, 11:09:04 AMI have been skeptical of this topic somewhat, but the last non-comment from "Shatera"/Prof. Tyson Platt made me wonder even more!

So I found that a Professor Tyson Platt does indeed teach at an Alabama university: I sent him an e-mail inquiring whether this topic is really from him.

No answer yet, but it is still early.

Any word yet Cato?  :)

Cato

Quote from: OrchestralNut on March 23, 2023, 07:45:47 AMAny word yet Cato?  :)


I just checked (3:00 P.M. E.S.T.) and no response yet.
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

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Florestan

Quote from: Cato on March 23, 2023, 11:00:16 AMI just checked (3:00 P.M. E.S.T.) and no response yet.

I doubt you'll get any.
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Cato

Quote from: Florestan on March 23, 2023, 11:04:55 AMI doubt you'll get any.


I wrote again just now, and included the Chair of the Psychology Department as a recipient.

Perhaps they have a Spring Vacation right now.
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

DavidW

Quote from: Cato on March 23, 2023, 01:38:37 PMI wrote again just now, and included the Chair of the Psychology Department as a recipient.

Perhaps they have a Spring Vacation right now.

My experience is that emails from external to the school end up in the spam folder without the end user being aware.  I've had important requests for recommendations for students from MIT and various honors colleges almost trashed due to Outlook over-aggressively sending them to the junk folder.

Cato

Quote from: DavidW on March 23, 2023, 02:25:35 PMMy experience is that emails from external to the school end up in the spam folder without the end user being aware.  I've had important requests for recommendations for students from MIT and various honors colleges almost trashed due to Outlook over-aggressively sending them to the junk folder.


Wow!  Well, I can always send a regular letter, if I never hear anything!
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Florestan

Quote from: Cato on March 23, 2023, 02:29:38 PMWow!  Well, I can always send a regular letter, if I never hear anything!

It's not worth the trouble, actually.  :D
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Cato

Quote from: OrchestralNut on March 23, 2023, 07:45:47 AMAny word yet Cato?  :)


Yes indeed!

Professor Tyson Platt wrote to me today with this explanation:

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I apologize for the delay in my response.  My students are currently on Spring Break, so I decided to take the opportunity to take a few days off with my family.  I am sorry for any confusion related to my experiment and the forum posts. 

I am the person conducting the experiment, but I am using three research assistants (Shatera being one of them) to help me collect data.  Per the IRB protocol that was approved by my university, the recruitment statement has to be the same everywhere I post it. 

Hence, the post that begins, "Hello.  My name is Tyson Platt, and I am a Professor of Psychology at Alabama State University..." appears in several forums right now. 

I hope that the post is not an intrusion on the forum or in conflict with forum rules.  I asked my research assistants to make several posts to become acclimated with the forum prior to posting the announcement, and I hope they did so.

I asked my research assistants to post in a variety of specialized forums because I want to have adequate representation of active music listeners in my data set. 

I am exploring how listeners attribute emotional content to unfamiliar musical forms, and I expect to find a relationship between the amount of time subjects spend actively listening to music and their likelihood of perceiving emotional content in music. 

Unfortunately, when I recruit from social media, I tend to get a strong bias towards casual listening and a preference for popular music.
 

If my research assistant has run afoul of forum rules, please let me know and I will ask that they remove the post.


My emphasis above.

So, it is in fact an experiment from a professor of Psychology.

"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Brahmsian

Quote from: Cato on March 25, 2023, 01:17:16 PMYes indeed!

Thank you for sharing. I'm glad the professor responded to you. 🙂

DavidW

Interestingly enough, Shatera made no attempt to acclimate to this forum nor even engage with us in direct questions or replies.  The student has much to learn.

By putting us on edge and making us suspicious some of us also didn't even take the survey seriously, the opposite result the professor wanted.

Florestan

Quote from: DavidW on March 25, 2023, 04:10:06 PMInterestingly enough, Shatera made no attempt to acclimate to this forum nor even engage with us in direct questions or replies.  The student has much to learn.

By putting us on edge and making us suspicious some of us also didn't even take the survey seriously, the opposite result the professor wanted.

Indeed.
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

Cato

Quote from: DavidW on March 25, 2023, 04:10:06 PMInterestingly enough, Shatera made no attempt to acclimate to this forum nor even engage with us in direct questions or replies.  The student has much to learn.

By putting us on edge and making us suspicious some of us also didn't even take the survey seriously, the opposite result the professor wanted.



I sent Professor Platt David W.'s comment above and received this response:


Quote"Thank you for this information.  I have a meeting with my research assistants later today, and I will be sure to address the issue.  Please accept my apologies for the manner in which the post was made." 



So, if anyone is hesitant about the experiment, it is legitimate.

And we at G-M-G were chosen because it is assumed that we are NOT "casual listeners."  ;)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

relm1

I think they should throw out their results since some took the survey finding it a bot or suspicious intent invalidating the data quality and try again with better community engagement as now that I've read the professor's response, would like to have participated but find there is no point now...the integrity was compromised. 

Florestan

Quote from: Cato on March 27, 2023, 05:30:31 AMI sent Professor Platt David W.'s comment above and received this response:



So, if anyone is hesitant about the experiment, it is legitimate.

And we at G-M-G were chosen because it is assumed that we are NOT "casual listeners."  ;)


Looks like the only misjudgement was assigning Shatera the task of approaching the non-casual listeners of GMG. His or her capabilities in this respect were greatly lacking.  ;D
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

relm1

Quote from: Florestan on March 27, 2023, 05:37:46 AMLooks like the only misjudgement was assigning Shatera the task of approaching the non-casual listeners of GMG. His or her capabilities in this respect were greatly lacking.  ;D
I think our communal response should be constructive rather than critical. How this could have worked mutually rather than being critical of "her capabilities in this respect were greatly lacking".  They are students and this is a learning opportunity.  It doesn't seem like a bad thing to try, then try again.  That's a major part of learning. 

Florestan

Quote from: relm1 on March 27, 2023, 04:30:14 PMI think our communal response should be constructive rather than critical. How this could have worked mutually rather than being critical of "her capabilities in this respect were greatly lacking".  They are students and this is a learning opportunity.  It doesn't seem like a bad thing to try, then try again.  That's a major part of learning. 

You think I'm being unfairly critical of Shatera? Please, consider the facts,

1. S/he came here and, without as much as a minimal introduction about who s/he is and what are their interests with respect to classical music, forwarded us a message containing a non-functional link and basically told us "Here, take this test!"

2. When nobody took it, s/he returned with a remainder that we should better take the test.

3. And now, look what s/he's done, probably after the meeting with prof. Platt: edited the OP making it worse than it was initially (at least, initially it contained a "Hi, I am Shatera!") and deleted their second post altogether.

I'm sorry but I can't see it any other way: s/he is not only not up to the task but also lacks basic manners. Prof. Platt should choose his assistants more carefully --- and I would't mind if Cato forwarded my opinion this to him.
Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

relm1

Quote from: Florestan on March 28, 2023, 12:27:00 AMYou think I'm being unfairly critical of Shatera? Please, consider the facts,

1. S/he came here and, without as much as a minimal introduction about who s/he is and what are their interests with respect to classical music, forwarded us a message containing a non-functional link and basically told us "Here, take this test!"

2. When nobody took it, s/he returned with a remainder that we should better take the test.

3. And now, look what s/he's done, probably after the meeting with prof. Platt: edited the OP making it worse than it was initially (at least, initially it contained a "Hi, I am Shatera!") and deleted their second post altogether.

I'm sorry but I can't see it any other way: s/he is not only not up to the task but also lacks basic manners. Prof. Platt should choose his assistants more carefully --- and I would't mind if Cato forwarded my opinion this to him.

I do.  The point was made, the professor agreed and said he'd discuss with them.  You seem to be on a war path now wanting s/he fired.  Calm down.

Florestan

Quote from: relm1 on March 28, 2023, 05:50:28 AMI do.

Okay.

Quote from: relm1 on March 28, 2023, 05:50:28 AMThe point was made, the professor agreed and said he'd discuss with them.

Yes. And presumably after the discussion Shatera edited their posts, for the worse.

Quote from: relm1 on March 28, 2023, 05:50:28 AMYou seem to be on a war path now wanting s/he fired.

You're wrong. I just stated my opinion.

Quote from: relm1 on March 28, 2023, 05:50:28 AMCalm down.

I'm very calm and had been all day long.
 




Every kind of music is good, except the boring kind. — Rossini

DavidW

I would actually put the blame on the prof.  There is a tendency for professors to treat grad students as postdocs when they really should have a "trust but verify" attitude.  I get that they want their students to help their success in generating papers, but the flip side to that is that they need to mentor them more than I think most faculty realize.

The prof in question told his students what he wanted and why, but failed to follow through even though his name goes on the paper.

Brahmsian

I think Professor Platt could just view the comments of this thread to glean the data he needs.  ;D