Scriabins Temple

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Mandryka

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo

If you watch this YouTube of Samuel Feinberg playing the 5th sonata with the score, you'll see that on the first page Scriabin quoted a poem. I didn't know that. Does he quote poetry elsewhere in his music?
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Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on November 08, 2022, 01:31:53 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo

If you watch this YouTube of Samuel Feinberg playing the 5th sonata with the score, you'll see that on the first page Scriabin quoted a poem. I didn't know that. Does he quote poetry elsewhere in his music?

Poem of Ecstasy from his poem book, I believe. I haven't heard about any other poem quotation, but I could be wrong. I lost a book of his biography and must repurchase it.

Original Russian text
Я к жизни призываю вас, скрытые стремленья!
Вы, утонувшие в темных глубинах
Духа творящего, вы, боязливые
Жизни зародыши, вам дерзновенье приношу!

English translation
I call you to life, O mysterious forces!
Drowned in the obscure depths
Of the creative spirit, timid
Shadows of life, to you I bring audacity!


Btw, the link below is for a YT list of Sonata 5 by several players I made for a comparison. Gould sounds weird.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7uG3nzjmyODd53c0TXoFvAl7dpx826_W

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

@Mandryka, I know that you like the Chopin recording by Yuki Matsuzawa, famously plagiarized (or whatever you call) by Joyce Hatto. I re-listened to YM's Scriabin, and it's the real-deal. Her performance proffers dynamism, depth, and lyricism. No wonder the disc received laudatory reviews.

https://www.classical-music.com/reviews/instrumental/scriabin-11/

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/scriabin-piano-works-6
















Mandryka

Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on November 08, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
@Mandryka, I know that you like the Chopin recording by Yuki Matsuzawa, famously plagiarized (or whatever you call) by Joyce Hatto. I re-listened to YM's Scriabin, and it's the real-deal. Her performance proffers dynamism, depth, and lyricism. No wonder the disc received laudatory reviews.

https://www.classical-music.com/reviews/instrumental/scriabin-11/

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/scriabin-piano-works-6







Yes a very good sonata 5 from her, maybe my favourite.
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Mandryka

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

#265
Quote from: Mandryka on November 08, 2022, 07:27:40 PM
Yes a very good sonata 5 from her, maybe my favourite.

Wow!


Quote from: Mandryka on November 08, 2022, 07:41:01 PM


Scriabin on opium.

Sorry, I don't care Ugorski much.  ;D

Gould live is deviant and interesting, I guess.

https://youtu.be/AGe5wSHf-HU

Mandryka

#266
I think the Ugorski is astonishingly good! I don't mean his DG recording, I mean this

https://www.discogs.com/release/12700856-Scriabin-Anatol-Ugorski-Sonatas-For-Piano-Nos-1-10

Gould in the studio recording of sonata 5 seemed to me to kind of trivialise the music a bit. It starts off OK, with the bizarre percussive incipit and the sweet melodic section, but after that he makes me think of someone playing piano in a hotel lobby (The Addams Family hotel would have Gould playing Scriabin in the cocktail bar maybe.)  I'll check that live later.

With Scriabin I don't really think you can't talk about deviant, except maybe in the sense of deviation from mean elapsed time for a sonata. There's too much difference between interpretation approaches.
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Dry Brett Kavanaugh

^ Ok, I only know his DG recording. I will check this set!

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Enjoying the two old recordings and one new recording. The Neuhaus albums evince his great skills and techniques, but they are exerted very subtly.  Plus superb timing. The recordings have an aura. As for the Shimkus, I liked his Antonio Soler album for years. This Scriabin album is as good as his Soler while the interpretations are energetic and somehow luminous side.









Mandryka

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Mandryka

#270
Op 11. This sounds very good



This op 11 is strange - while clearly indebted to Chopin it also has a distinct voice. I also listened to one of Yudina's recordings of a selection and thought it was really nice - introspective (maybe the way she plays, the selection or even the crap sound - hard to say.) Zhukov's selection seems a major high point of music on record to me.
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Dry Brett Kavanaugh

#271
Quote from: Mandryka on November 11, 2022, 01:46:44 PM
Op 11. This sounds very good



This op 11 is strange - while clearly indebted to Chopin it also has a distinct voice. I also listened to one of Yudina's recordings of a selection and thought it was really nice - introspective (maybe the way she plays, the selection or even the crap sound - hard to say.) Zhukov's selection seems a major high point of music on record to me.

It seems that the chordal structures, the structure of arpeggios, bass lines, etc sound like Chopinesque, but the melody lines sound like original. New wine in an old bottle. Yes, imo, the Zhukov, Sofro, and Kuschnerova are the top for Preludes, including op. 11. I like Op. 16 as well. Have a great weekend!

P.s.  Also, Scriabin doesn't use octaves or chromatic passages much.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Yudina sounds very good. Also I think Gabor Csalog recording is fine. As for Ashkenazy sonata 10, I prefer Paik and Katherine Heyman.

staxomega

Wow, lots of Scriabin suggestions for me to catch up on! I didn't listen to much in the past week other than Piano Sonata 2. I was again reminded of just how good Yuja Wang's DG recording was, one of the best I have heard for this sonata. She nails those ascending and descending motifs that Scriabin was obsessed with, a mark of a great Scriabin interpreter. Still no change of opinion on MAH's fine but not particularly interesting performance, pretty much how that entire cycle can be summed up.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Recent listenings:

Contrasting performances of the Etudes. Korobeinikov's style exemplifies the mainstream interpretation by many Russian players- powerful and emotional. His performance is dynamic yet sophisticated. I found this album very likable. The Gurdal is diametrically opposed. The Japanese-Belgian's performance focuses on lyricism and finesse. Her music is sensitive. I read that one of her teachers was Ugorski. Gurdal decided not to record one piece (op. 65 no. 1) because her hands were too small (she's half-Japanese) for the work. Overall, very good album and nice change. Gramophone Magazine editor's choice.   



















Mandryka

It was listening to Okashiro's etudes which got me interested in the music.
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Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on November 14, 2022, 01:15:59 AM
It was listening to Okashiro's etudes which got me interested in the music.

Nice lyrical performance. Maybe she played/sounds like Nikolayeva a little?

Mandryka

#277
Over the past week I've been listening to the later sonatas (CD3) in Igor Zhukov's Telos set. I've never seen a good review of this recording but something keeps drawing me to it. When I first started to listen I thought to myself, this is Frenchified - Scriabin through the lens of early Messiaen, the Messiaen of 20 regards. I like it, it's not intense and virtuoso like Sofronitsky or Horowitz, but it is what it is and not another thing.

Zhukov must be the only musician to have recorded all the sonatas twice. That shows some serious commitment to the music.
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Dry Brett Kavanaugh

#278
Quote from: Mandryka on December 05, 2022, 01:31:00 PMOver the past week I've been listening to the later sonatas (CD3) in Igor Zhukov's Telos set. I've never seen a good review of this recording but something keeps drawing me to it. When I first started to listen I thought to myself, this is Frenchified - Scriabin through the lens of early Messiaen, the Messiaen of 20 regards. I like it, it's not intense and virtuoso like Sofronitsky or Horowitz, but it is what it is and not another thing.

Zhukov must be the only musician to have recorded all the sonatas twice. That shows some serious commitment to the music.


Interesting opinion as I personally like Zhukov but I don't have the Telos set. Still that melancholic sound in his performance for Telos? I will get the set. As for his recordings I know, I think Zhukov proffers strong aesthetics and unique, if not awkward, rhythmic sense. He does not exhibit the dexterity of Neuhaus or Sofro. But it seems to me that he (successfully) focuses on realizing/expanding the beauty of music. Overall, very interesting, and somewhat enigmatic, artist. I like him.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Halida Dinova Plays Scriabin.

Cool, aristocratic playing. Nice, elegant results.