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The Music Room => Classical Music for Beginners => Topic started by: kontseptsioon on April 30, 2011, 02:52:08 AM

Title: classical utopia
Post by: kontseptsioon on April 30, 2011, 02:52:08 AM
Lately I've stumbled on the definition utopia as such a lot and therefore as a big classical music listener started to think that utopia is seen as creating a perfect system and is found in literature (Thomas More) and film (Kubrick's 2001), but not so much in music. I suppose Wagner can come to mind in away. What do you think, in what ways does utopia exist in classical musicians works or visions?
Title: Re: classical utopia
Post by: jochanaan on April 30, 2011, 07:14:47 AM
Perhaps the works of Alexander Scriabin best embody the Utopian concept, especially The Poem of Ecstasy and Prometheus.  Charles Ives also may have had a somewhat Utopian vision.
Title: Re: classical utopia
Post by: Lethevich on April 30, 2011, 10:12:00 AM
Vaughan Williams' Sancta Civitas makes direct references to the holy (perfect) city, although as with this avenue of the composer's thought I suppose it's more about glimpsing or traveling towards than actually attaining.
Title: Re: classical utopia
Post by: eyeresist on May 01, 2011, 05:46:39 PM
Hindemith's Die Harmonie der Welt.

Late Bruckner.
Title: Re: classical utopia
Post by: DavidW on May 01, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
If it's about creating a perfect system... wouldn't serialism be it?
Title: Re: classical utopia
Post by: petrarch on May 02, 2011, 12:22:31 AM
"Hymunion in Harmondie under Pluramon" is a good one.

Also, some of Nono's later works come to mind (e.g. La Lontananza Nostalgica Utopica Futura).