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Title: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on June 25, 2009, 10:30:40 AM
Another exclusive Lead Balloon Thread by snyprrr!

Yet another of Mozart's circle, Dittersdorf appears to be the most universally damned composer of all time. Just a search of GMG reveals that the only time Ditters name is mentioned is when there is an arguement over which composer sucks more... Elgar, Sibelius, or... and inevitably Karl's name will come up.

So why does Ditters have the worst reputation this side of Spohr? Well, tales of his "humility" ::) notwithstanding, I have a CPO disc of SQs and Quintets that I must say is some of the most typically "classical" music I've ever heard. Mix Mozart's dribbling chromatics with Haydn's "cleanness" and then suck all the color out leaving only a marble white, and you come close to the word "blandness". The most memorable mvmt. (SQ No.2, finale) sounds just like "Hello Muddah!"

A friend of Karl's declared, "Now not only Pleyel's quartets but even Haydn's have been outdone." Well, I could be missing something here, but...

I may very well give ole Karl another go. His music is certainly inoffensive and on the surface as bland as you want it, but if you reeeally listen, there are some beautiful things hiding right there in plain sight. Ditters may be too perfect!

"wasser machet stumm"
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Dr. Dread on June 25, 2009, 10:33:14 AM
I must confess that I jumped on the Dittersdorf Damnation bandwagon without hearing a note he wrote, that I'm aware of. But he's dead now, so he probably doesn't mind.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on June 25, 2009, 10:38:07 AM
haha... guess from whom I got the idea?!? 0:)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Dr. Dread on June 25, 2009, 10:39:39 AM
haha... guess from whom I got the idea?!? 0:)

A genius?
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Keemun on June 25, 2009, 11:09:27 AM
Just a search of GMG reveals that the only time Ditters name is mentioned is when there is an arguement over which composer sucks more... Elgar, Sibelius, or... and inevitably Karl's name will come up.

Sibelius was nominated in an argument over which composer sucks more?  Unbelievable.  :o

OK, carry on with the Dittersdorf thread. . . .
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Dr. Dread on June 25, 2009, 11:10:46 AM
Sibelius was nominated in an argument over which composer sucks more?  Unbelievable.  :o

OK, carry on with the Dittersdorf thread. . . .

Suck-bile-us

*snarf*
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Keemun on June 25, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/6/4/1945216/Sibelius-Poster.jpg)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Lethevich on June 25, 2009, 11:55:53 AM
I spot a niche in the demotivator marker... 0:)

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1278/5390u.jpg) (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1278/5390u.jpg)

As for Ditters, I found that the biggest problem with getting into his symphonies were the poor choice of performances. There has yet to be a very good HIP recording of the major Ovid-themed ones. As for the SQs... haven't heard them yet.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on June 29, 2009, 07:38:03 AM
I'm starting to warm to these SQs. Like a "clean" Mozart, without all the foliage. Very "white".
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on June 29, 2009, 08:18:05 AM
Dittersdorf is one of the most undervalued composers. People are entitled to not like his music but the fact is he was very respected composer in his time and I enjoy his music a lot. Naxos has great releases of his symphonies while CPO has released String Quartets/Quintets and a wonderful preformance of his oratorio Giob.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: DavidW on June 29, 2009, 10:28:48 AM
So why does Ditters have the worst reputation this side of Spohr?

Ralph on CMG really likes Dittersdorf and would rec him over Mozart to anyone wanting to get into classical era music.  That elevated him to a more popular level than most minor composers would on these forums, and as more people tried them they would get more vocal about how they didn't like them.  Since the classical music community is small, and most of us have been around it the whole time it just carried over to this forum.  Perhaps someone on another forum got Ralph into it, I don't know but there you have it. 

It's not that Ditters is remarkably bad, it's just that certain posters feel that he is a bit overhyped.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on June 29, 2009, 10:43:05 AM
It's not that Ditters is remarkably bad, it's just that certain posters feel that he is a bit overhyped.

Overhyped? Where?  ???
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: DavidW on June 29, 2009, 10:46:44 AM
Overhyped? Where?  ???

As I already said, on cmg by Ralph.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Dr. Dread on June 29, 2009, 10:57:17 AM
What's a CMG?  ;D
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on June 29, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
As I already said, on cmg by Ralph.

So, Dittersdorf is overhyped because Ralph on CMG likes his music? Well, now he is doubleoverhyped because I like his music on GMG!  ;D
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Dr. Dread on June 29, 2009, 11:04:45 AM
So, Dittersdorf is overhyped because Ralph on CMG likes his music? Well, now he is doubleoverhyped because I like his music on GMG!  ;D

You're down with the 'dorf?
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: DavidW on June 29, 2009, 11:07:11 AM
So, Dittersdorf is overhyped because Ralph on CMG likes his music? Well, now he is doubleoverhyped because I like his music on GMG!  ;D

Well as far as I know you haven't hyped his music up, you simply express your personal taste in enjoying his music.  I'm cool with that, it's better than homogenized group think.  :)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on June 29, 2009, 11:14:13 AM
Well as far as I know you haven't hyped his music up, you simply express your personal taste in enjoying his music.  I'm cool with that, it's better than homogenized group think.  :)

Ok. I don't know CMG or Ralph so I don't know how over-the-top he is.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: DavidW on June 29, 2009, 11:17:43 AM
Ok. I don't know CMG or Ralph so I don't know how over-the-top he is.

Well only about Dittersdorf, he's a pretty cool guy. 8)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Scarpia on June 29, 2009, 01:18:11 PM
Well only about Dittersdorf, he's a pretty cool guy. 8)

I thought that Ralph and Dittersdorf was a running joke.  You mean Ralph actually likes Dittersdorf?   :o
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: DavidW on June 29, 2009, 02:30:50 PM
I'm pretty literal, so I could have just not caught onto the joke, but if it's joke it seems Andy Kaufman like in execution since he wouldn't let up! :D
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: karlhenning on July 06, 2009, 06:19:08 AM
Although Ralph kids about it, yes, he has the most extensive Dittersdorf collection on the eastern seaboard.

(Two discs, I think.)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: JoshLilly on July 12, 2009, 04:13:22 PM
I've got a way, way more extensive Dittersdorf collection than that!  Including multiple complete operas and oratorios, symphonies, string quartets, complete known oboe concerti, and various other works.  It is his symphonies that are the most discussed, but in my opinion, his symphonies are his worst music.  About 2 of them I like a lot, the rest I like just a little (practically indifferent to them).

In any case, I was posting here to mention one thing that really should be hyped more, and that is his autobiography.  I finally got to read it for the first time a couple of weeks ago.  It really is worth a read, whether or not you've ever heard a note of his music.  I notice the word "humility" in quotation marks up there in the first post, but you'd probably remove them if you read his autobiography.  He doesn't come across as arrogant in the least, and indeed tells at least one embarassing story about himself, where he behaved in an arrogant manner and was put in his place by a servant.  He also names several contemporary violinists that he seems to consider his superior, even though Dittersdorf himself was certainly among the very best.  He even mentions in one case where he got more praise as a performer than Lolli by rewriting a piece so that he "had sufficiently peppered the finale with passages which looked very difficult, but which lay well to the hand."  Basically, he says that he snowed the audience with flashiness.  Although, Dittersdorf really did have a high reputation as a violinist, legitimately; this is just one incident.

The only composition where you get the impression he's really proud of it would probably be his oratorio Hiob, and the closest he comes to boasting even there is to say that it brought in a ton of money very quickly everywhere it was put on.  It was indeed a very popular work in its day.

He talks quite a bit about his time spent with composers such as Gluck - who gave him tremendous help with his career and became something of a mentor - and F.J. Haydn.  Here's a passage from the English translation of this book that I have:


Quote
During the rest of the summer and the following winter, when I was off duty, I often came into contact with the amiable Joseph Haydn.  What lover of music does not know the name and the beautiful works of this distinguished writer?  When we heard any new music by other composers, we criticised it between ourselves, praising, or the reverse, as we saw just.

I advise every young artist to found an alliance, at starting, with one of his colleagues, - stipulating that jealousies and envy are out of the reckoning.  Haydn and I did this in a spirit of inquiry, and if all prejudices are laid aside, I maintain that nothing so materially assists a young musician's progress as mutual and friendly criticism of this kind.  It has this further advantage, that, besides enabling a writer to introduce many a fine effect with certainty, it will teach him carefully to avoid those rocks against which this or that other composer has come to grief.  I am not saying anything new.  All the world knows that criticism - the honest, impartial criticism of real judges - has ever been of the greatest use to the fine arts.

By the way, I noticed a locked thread here talking about (Wolfgang) Mozart being a fraud.  Dittersdorf's own personal encounters and writings concerning Mozart completely contradict this!  He describes him as a "genius" of both piano playing (along with Clementi) and of composing.  I read once in an article on Dittersdorf in a very old book (1920s I think) that he said in his autobiography that Mozart bored him; finally, years after reading that book, I have finally gotten this autobiography, and there's nothing even remotely along these lines, not even the barest hint of the lightest negative criticism of Mozart in any way, shape, or form.

Anyway, sorry to ramble, but this book is really, really worth reading.  Again, I stress that even if you have heard some works of Dittersdorf and disliked them, or even if you've heard not a note, you probably will find this autobiography a pleasant and enlightening experience.


EDIT:  PS - I just want to mention also that there is an extra emotional element to reading this, when you cover the sad last chapter, and realise that Dittersdorf died 2 days after it was complete.  He talks about how his benefactor and best friend fell into Alzheimer's; though of course they didn't know in those days what it was, it's instantly clear as crystal to a modern reader.  Dittersdorf ended up losing everything, after a difficult service as a local politician that included dangerous service during wartime, a close evasion of a trap that would have cost him his life, and a foolish but lucky standoff with armed forces over a large collection of lumber.  In his last couple of years, he was suffering greatly, and about the last words are his apology that he wasn't better able to provide for his family.  He lost everything due to changes of who owned the strip of land where he had his title... you may not be aware of this, but Europe had a war or two during the 18th century where turf switched sides.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 12, 2009, 04:39:19 PM
I've got a way, way more extensive Dittersdorf collection than that!  Including multiple complete operas and oratorios, symphonies, string quartets, complete known oboe concerti, and various other works.  It is his symphonies that are the most discussed, but in my opinion, his symphonies are his worst music.  About 2 of them I like a lot, the rest I like just a little (practically indifferent to them).

In any case, I was posting here to mention one thing that really should be hyped more, and that is his autobiography.  I finally got to read it for the first time a couple of weeks ago.  It really is worth a read, whether or not you've ever heard a note of his music.  I notice the word "humility" in quotation marks up there in the first post, but you'd probably remove them if you read his autobiography.  He doesn't come across as arrogant in the least, and indeed tells at least one embarassing story about himself, where he behaved in an arrogant manner and was put in his place by a servant.  He also names several contemporary violinists that he seems to consider his superior, even though Dittersdorf himself was certainly among the very best.  He even mentions in one case where he got more praise as a performer than Lolli by rewriting a piece so that he "had sufficiently peppered the finale with passages which looked very difficult, but which lay well to the hand."  Basically, he says that he snowed the audience with flashiness.  Although, Dittersdorf really did have a high reputation as a violinist, legitimately; this is just one incident.

The only composition where you get the impression he's really proud of it would probably be his oratorio Hiob, and the closest he comes to boasting even there is to say that it brought in a ton of money very quickly everywhere it was put on.  It was indeed a very popular work in its day.

He talks quite a bit about his time spent with composers such as Gluck - who gave him tremendous help with his career and became something of a mentor - and F.J. Haydn.  Here's a passage from the English translation of this book that I have:


By the way, I noticed a locked thread here talking about (Wolfgang) Mozart being a fraud.  Dittersdorf's own personal encounters and writings concerning Mozart completely contradict this!  He describes him as a "genius" of both piano playing (along with Clementi) and of composing.  I read once in an article on Dittersdorf in a very old book (1920s I think) that he said in his autobiography that Mozart bored him; finally, years after reading that book, I have finally gotten this autobiography, and there's nothing even remotely along these lines, not even the barest hint of the lightest negative criticism of Mozart in any way, shape, or form.

Anyway, sorry to ramble, but this book is really, really worth reading.  Again, I stress that even if you have heard some works of Dittersdorf and disliked them, or even if you've heard not a note, you probably will find this autobiography a pleasant and enlightening experience.


EDIT:  PS - I just want to mention also that there is an extra emotional element to reading this, when you cover the sad last chapter, and realise that Dittersdorf died 2 days after it was complete.  He talks about how his benefactor and best friend fell into Alzheimer's; though of course they didn't know in those days what it was, it's instantly clear as crystal to a modern reader.  Dittersdorf ended up losing everything, after a difficult service as a local politician that included dangerous service during wartime, a close evasion of a trap that would have cost him his life, and a foolish but lucky standoff with armed forces over a large collection of lumber.  In his last couple of years, he was suffering greatly, and about the last words are his apology that he wasn't better able to provide for his family.  He lost everything due to changes of who owned the strip of land where he had his title... you may not be aware of this, but Europe had a war or two during the 18th century where turf switched sides.

Josh,
Wonderful post, as always from you. I have remained a non-combatant in the Ditters Wars, mainly because I think it's silly to argue over what is essentially a question of taste. As it happens, I am very fond of his music, and really don't care a whit who might not be. I can say this; his contemporaries thought the world of him, and that's the crucial and deciding factor for me. They knew more about their music and what was good and bad about it than anyone today ever will. The same holds true of Vanhal and a few others that i won't bother naming, we know who they are. :)

I would be delighted to read his autobiography, although I have never seen it either for sale or in a library. If you got it someplace where I could follow suit, please let me know where.

Oh, stop by the Classical Corner sometime. Your input would be most welcome there, and I think you would find some kindred spirits.

Regards,
Gurn 8)

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Listening to:
Quatuor Festetics - Hob 03 24 Quartet in A for Strings Op. 9 #6 1st mvmt - Presto
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: JoshLilly on July 12, 2009, 04:44:26 PM
I don't mean to advertise for any specific company, but here's where I got it:

http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Karl-Von-Dittersdorf/dp/0554557355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247449432&sr=1-1
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 12, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
I don't mean to advertise for any specific company, but here's where I got it:

http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Karl-Von-Dittersdorf/dp/0554557355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247449432&sr=1-1

Excellent, thanks. It's in my shopping cart now. :)

8)

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Listening to:
Quattuor Mosaiques - Hob 03 75 Quartet in G for Strings Op 76 #1 2nd mvmt - Adagio sostenuto
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: DavidW on July 12, 2009, 06:46:47 PM
I think it's silly to argue over what is essentially a question of taste.

Poor Gurn, he is posting on a forum devoted to arguing over taste! :D
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: max on July 12, 2009, 10:41:20 PM
Although Ralph kids about it, yes, he has the most extensive Dittersdorf collection on the eastern seaboard.

(Two discs, I think.)

I got 4! Once hooked you remain hooked. The ineffable works of mediocrity hold more fascination for me than all the ostensible works of super genius most of which I heard many times which has not made me a better person or more delightful or insightful. Actually it didn't even do that for the composer. For some time now I prefer to listen to the Frog symphony more than to Beethovens 5th or Mozart's final 3.

The works of Dittersdorf, J.C. Bach, Stamitz, etc remain - at least to me - immensely enjoyable though clearly not equal. Why would I care about the supposed talents of a composer as long as I like the music though still capable of realizing that there is a difference!

To be inferior to the likes of Mozart, Beethoven or Haydn still requires a massive amount of talent and it's only the snob who starts smelling skunk if not equal to the Big Three.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Lethevich on July 13, 2009, 06:44:44 AM
I don't mean to advertise for any specific company, but here's where I got it:

http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Karl-Von-Dittersdorf/dp/0554557355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247449432&sr=1-1

Josh - thank you so much! Is this the first English translation? As all my previous searches for this bio have only located very expensive German versions, and suddenly this pops up :) I'll buy it the moment I can next justify a book purchase.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: karlhenning on July 13, 2009, 06:48:50 AM
I wish to object to the subject header.  I don't even know von Dittersdorf, so how could I have dittered him?
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: DavidW on July 13, 2009, 07:02:49 AM
One of the wonderful things about music that's not Greeeeaaat! is that they can use theatrical affectations in their music without loss of face, and their music might not be quite as complex which gives our counterpoint tumors a break.  It's satisfying to listen to lesser music as a break from the harder stuff.  I'm not trying to damn with faint praise, just saying that even if you don't say a composer is great, he/she can still be nice to listen to. 8) 
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on July 14, 2009, 06:59:29 PM
It all makes perfect sense now. Dittersdorf, "the humble", is the true face of the Artist of whom we've been searching for this whole time. I mean, his own works are so "white" and bland and "pure", that it is easy to see that he also had a "secret" style!

C'mon guys! What say???

Add Albrechtsberger, and you see why the true face of the Artist was never revealed. Just like in the modern music world when they get the fat lady to sing the hit, but then get the hottie to sing the video, here it is the same:

Albrechtsberger & Dittersdorf

just doesn't have quite the lilt of

Mozart & Haydn

,no?
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Leo K. on November 12, 2009, 05:03:03 AM
I really got to say Dittersdorf's music really has grabbed me this Autumn...especially while working these mean graveyard shifts, Dittersdorf's art has become a wonderful tonic, and putting in mind visions of almost untouchable beauty. 

I like his pictorial style and nuanced orchestration...sounds like much thought went into the color and texture at his disposal.  The repetitious phrases are a glimpse of how most probably wanted to hear music in that era, nothing too demanding but beautiful in the sense each passing phrase was given it's due.

So far, I've listened to the Symphonies (from the Naxos series) and String Quartets, as well as some vocal works such as his Requiem, which is a great choral work in every way, as moving to me as Mozart's Requiem, and fascinating because I'm so used to Mozart and Haydn's style it is amazing to discover another from that era with his own voice, not as complex but just as fascinating and valid as representing the 18th Century in all it's glory.

As far as Classical music is concerned, the 18th Century has been my first love and the era I always return to, and what a discovery to meet Von Dittersdorf's sound world with his ravishing pictures in notes and scales and sense of time suspended.

Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Leo K. on November 16, 2009, 05:41:52 AM
Almost through this...real amazing stuff.  Perfect for a cloudy day.

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Feb02/Dittersdorf_Giob.jpg)


I've gotta sat again this guy's music is really worth one's chill-out time.

 :)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on November 16, 2009, 12:18:27 PM
Almost through this...real amazing stuff.  Perfect for a cloudy day.

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Feb02/Dittersdorf_Giob.jpg)


I've gotta sat again this guy's music is really worth one's chill-out time.

 :)
Cool to see someone liking Dittersdorf.  :) I have praised that wonderful recording here many times but usually I get nasty remarks for liking "a poor composer". Each to his/her own...
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Lethevich on November 17, 2009, 11:25:58 AM
Ditt's biggest problem is that there doesn't yet seem to be a very good recording of his symphonies, only several servicable ones... Vanhal on the other hand I can assume is more widely liked partly because his music has been so widely recorded by ensembles such as the Concerto Köln...
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on December 21, 2009, 10:01:58 PM
I've finally got the second (first) volume of the Dorf's SQs on CPO with the Franz Schubert Quartett. After only having Nos. 2 & 6 on the other disc, I had so grown tired of the "Hello Muddah" variations that it was high time to confront the rest of The Six.

Ultimately, the Dorf delivers smiles, as he has so much of what make M&H so charming, namely, wit. I'm also reminded of the Rosetti CPO disc (or the music on it?). The four remaining SQs of The Six Ditters wrote in 1788 definitely added to my view of the Dorf. They more than make up for the Muddah, and, in fact, justify it. There is something of the Heroic in here, and the Operatic. Unless you count Da Muddah, there is no real "hit" in the set. The melodies flow, but there are no overt ba-bahs that linger in the memory the way, say, the Fifths, Op.76/2 of Haydn, does.

Perhaps the set to compare these to would be Haydn's Op.33. There are many reminders, and I heard a fleeting quote in the spirit (I think it was The Bird). As such, they would be an Op.33 that was ten years older, hence sounding more like the motivic writing of Haydn Op.50 than the "new style" of Op.33. The Dorf set doesn't plumb the depths like Op.33, but then, neither does Op.50. So, an Op.33 set for the year 1788.

Once again, Dorf's friend bragged that these Six were the equal, and even surpassed, those by Haydn and Pleyel. Perhaps, though I don't hear the "hits", the Ditters set was more popular in its day than the Haydn of Opp. 50-55/64. I can hear how people would want to play these. They do have tremendously typical High Classical Mannerisms that are extremely charming. Nothing is out of place; the texture changes often, as characters in... an opera. In a way, the Dorf reminds me of Korngold. The Birth of the Hollywood, haha. The Dorf as Paul McCartney, haha.



So, I had hoped to get the Gewandhaus on Berlin on Ebay the other week, but brainfarted (oooo, I hate that!), so I got the CPO. I had heard some criticism of them in the Franz Schmidt SQs (Nimbus; intonation... of course, they are totally chromatic pieces), which I have (and could see how the ABQ, for instance, might do them a bit better), and, after hearing this second Dorf Disc, I've got to say that I caaan imagine performances of even greater ABQness. I really think the Gewandhaus disc must be a bit more punchy, or something (at least, I can picture it). The first violin isn't my favorite guy ever, but, eh. He "sounds" better in the Schmidt, but perhaps this is the sound they chose, I don't know. It's not bad, just not my fav. There is a third! version by the Sharon Quartet that I know nothing about (and a couple of single SQs on other albums).

If you get Haydn Op.50, I recommend getting these along side that set. Good stuff.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Leo K. on December 22, 2009, 01:45:08 PM
I've finally got the second (first) volume of the Dorf's SQs on CPO with the Franz Schubert Quartett. After only having Nos. 2 & 6 on the other disc, I had so grown tired of the "Hello Muddah" variations that it was high time to confront the rest of The Six.

Ultimately, the Dorf delivers smiles, as he has so much of what make M&H so charming, namely, wit. I'm also reminded of the Rosetti CPO disc (or the music on it?). The four remaining SQs of The Six Ditters wrote in 1788 definitely added to my view of the Dorf. They more than make up for the Muddah, and, in fact, justify it. There is something of the Heroic in here, and the Operatic. Unless you count Da Muddah, there is no real "hit" in the set. The melodies flow, but there are no overt ba-bahs that linger in the memory the way, say, the Fifths, Op.76/2 of Haydn, does.

Perhaps the set to compare these to would be Haydn's Op.33. There are many reminders, and I heard a fleeting quote in the spirit (I think it was The Bird). As such, they would be an Op.33 that was ten years older, hence sounding more like the motivic writing of Haydn Op.50 than the "new style" of Op.33. The Dorf set doesn't plumb the depths like Op.33, but then, neither does Op.50. So, an Op.33 set for the year 1788.

Once again, Dorf's friend bragged that these Six were the equal, and even surpassed, those by Haydn and Pleyel. Perhaps, though I don't hear the "hits", the Ditters set was more popular in its day than the Haydn of Opp. 50-55/64. I can hear how people would want to play these. They do have tremendously typical High Classical Mannerisms that are extremely charming. Nothing is out of place; the texture changes often, as characters in... an opera. In a way, the Dorf reminds me of Korngold. The Birth of the Hollywood, haha. The Dorf as Paul McCartney, haha.



So, I had hoped to get the Gewandhaus on Berlin on Ebay the other week, but brainfarted (oooo, I hate that!), so I got the CPO. I had heard some criticism of them in the Franz Schmidt SQs (Nimbus; intonation... of course, they are totally chromatic pieces), which I have (and could see how the ABQ, for instance, might do them a bit better), and, after hearing this second Dorf Disc, I've got to say that I caaan imagine performances of even greater ABQness. I really think the Gewandhaus disc must be a bit more punchy, or something (at least, I can picture it). The first violin isn't my favorite guy ever, but, eh. He "sounds" better in the Schmidt, but perhaps this is the sound they chose, I don't know. It's not bad, just not my fav. There is a third! version by the Sharon Quartet that I know nothing about (and a couple of single SQs on other albums).

If you get Haydn Op.50, I recommend getting these along side that set. Good stuff.

I like your thoughts on the Dorf and Haydn's quartets here...

The Dorf appears to be aiming for a simpler style in his quartets (perhaps all his music has this great simplicity) and I think I read somewhere he purposely aimed at a more general audience for his quartets to compete with Haydn and Mozart.  And at the same time his quartet style has so much elegance and style they are arresting on their own terms.  I feel like I am beyond the concerns of history when I listen to his quartets, basking in a wonderful mythical 18th Century world where beautiful  ladies are playing cards under the cool shades of trees and I hear their laughter and gossip.

I have the Dorf Quartet set with the Gewandhaus and it is indeed wonderful playing.  I have not compared with the CPO sets yet though but they are in my iTunes ready to play.

Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 22, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Boy, just another exploratory thread created in the new forum!  ;D

We already had great thread going on Ditters in the old forum HERE (http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,2367.0.html) started by Gurn -  :)

I own over a half dozen discs of this composer, so will be glad to post for those interested?

In addition, he dictated an autobiography to his son The Autobiography of Karl Von Dittersdorf which I read not too long ago and posted a few comments; short and enjoyable w/ a lot of personal remembrances; of course, his real name was Karl Ditters; he was given an aristocratic title for an assigned position which lead to the addition of 'Von Dittersdorf', completely phony - seems that history (or threads on forums) repeat themselves, and not always to their betterment?  ;) :D
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on December 22, 2009, 09:12:01 PM
I have the Dorf Quartet set with the Gewandhaus and it is indeed wonderful playing.  I have not compared with the CPO sets yet though but they are in my iTunes ready to play.

Yes, please do let us know how they compare.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: quintett op.57 on December 25, 2009, 01:19:03 AM
It is his symphonies that are the most discussed, but in my opinion, his symphonies are his worst music.

I'm very happy with this topic.
As Elgar, Vivaldi, Paganini & sometimes Händel, Ditters is a victim of some snobbish posts in this site by people who have no idea of what they're talking about.
Regarding his symphonies, I know some really great works.
I'm not saying it's as well orchestrated and developped as Haydn's, but we have to admit he was stolen some of his most original ideas by master Joe.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: quintett op.57 on December 25, 2009, 01:22:26 AM
Not only Haydn & Mozart wrote some good music in the second part of XVIIIth century.
The thing is that classical style is not very easy to access for our modern ears, maybe because it's not as emotional as music from later periods.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: jhar26 on December 25, 2009, 03:07:22 AM
Almost through this...real amazing stuff.  Perfect for a cloudy day.

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Feb02/Dittersdorf_Giob.jpg)


I've gotta sat again this guy's music is really worth one's chill-out time.

 :)
I agree. It's a wonderful work.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Lethevich on December 25, 2009, 09:05:03 AM
Add another Giob fan here. It's my favourite piece by him that I have so far heard.

I'm very happy with this topic.
Hey, long time no post!
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on December 25, 2009, 10:16:34 AM
Keepin' the 'Dorf on Page One keeps him high in the listening rotation!
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on January 13, 2010, 07:43:40 PM
Haydn's SQ Op.20/4 in D Major, starts off with with three unisons, slightly ominously, before gettin' happy.

The 'Dorf's SQ No.1 in D Major begins very similarly. I would think it's obvious that it's a nod. Anyone?



The 'Dorf's SQs sound to me like "pop" flavored Op.33 filtered through the inscrutable motivic sensibilities of Op.50. 1787,...good year.
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: False_Dmitry on June 01, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
August Carl Ditters - the composer who was so good, they had to make him a nobleman.

To what can we attribute the ridicule in which he's held by some tiny few?  A talented young musician who pulled himelf up by his own bootstraps - born as the son of army uniform-tailor, whose proficiency earned him a retirement job working in the Costume Dept of the Burg-Teatr in Vienna.   Yet within a few short years, Carl Ditters (as he was then) had passed through several orchestras and was leading the orchestra where his dad was stitching the costumes. 

Over 120 symphonies (plus many more which might also be his); a similarly prolific number of concertos for all kinds of instruments; dozens of operas, including those produced in Italy and for the Imperial Opera in Vienna.  The associate of Gluck, the chum of Haydn, quartet-partner to Mozart...  a central figure of the Viennese music scene of his time.

Do you know any of his works? (I don't mean "do you own any disks with them on?" - I mean do you actually know what's on the disks?). 

How can anyone find this genial rococo music-making anything but charming?

Example of his opera buffa style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7owypJzoX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7owypJzoX0)

One of the oboe concertos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o4oF9u-w4o&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o4oF9u-w4o&feature=related)

Violone (Double-Bass) Concerto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW1j1bqvv0I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW1j1bqvv0I)
(some excellent orchestration here, with idiomatic horn writing)

Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: karlhenning on June 01, 2010, 03:49:42 PM
He was no Bruckner ; )
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 06, 2013, 07:56:52 AM
TTT -  ;D  So, what's new in the world of Karl DvD?

For those interested, his autobiography (dictated to his son and finished just several days before his death in 1799) is excellent - I read it several years back (interdepartmental loan) - HOWEVER, just downloaded a 'Kindle' edition from the U. of Toronto HERE (http://archive.org/details/autobiographyofk00dittuoft) - other DL options are available (can also be read online) - and FREE! :)

But prompted to post here because of a 'new' acquisition to my small collection of Ditters works, i.e. String Quartets from 1789 w/ the Gewandhaus Quartett - these are pleasant light works and quite enjoyable; well performed by this group; recordings are from 1980-81 w/ excellent remastering - now I own two other discs w/ the same SQs & several Quintets (also shown below) - Franz Schubert Quartet on CPO - have not made any comparisons.

Just left a post in the 'listening thread' and attached an old Fanfare review for those interested - the set consists of two 'short' discs (my only complaint; i.e. several additional works could have been easily added), but purchased from BRO for just $8! :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-HRzTGnq/0/S/Ditters_SQs_Gewandhaus-S.jpg)  (http://c3.cduniverse.ws/resized/250x500/music/836/1068836.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LIGbwMIXL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Leo K. on June 06, 2013, 01:56:57 PM
TTT -  ;D  So, what's new in the world of Karl DvD?

For those interested, his autobiography (dictated to his son and finished just several days before his death in 1799) is excellent - I read it several years back (interdepartmental loan) - HOWEVER, just downloaded a 'Kindle' edition from the U. of Toronto HERE (http://archive.org/details/autobiographyofk00dittuoft) - other DL options are available (can also be read online) - and FREE! :)

But prompted to post here because of a 'new' acquisition to my small collection of Ditters works, i.e. String Quartets from 1789 w/ the Gewandhaus Quartett - these are pleasant light works and quite enjoyable; well performed by this group; recordings are from 1980-81 w/ excellent remastering - now I own two other discs w/ the same SQs & several Quintets (also shown below) - Franz Schubert Quartet on CPO - have not made any comparisons.

Just left a post in the 'listening thread' and attached an old Fanfare review for those interested - the set consists of two 'short' discs (my only complaint; i.e. several additional works could have been easily added), but purchased from BRO for just $8! :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-HRzTGnq/0/S/Ditters_SQs_Gewandhaus-S.jpg)  (http://c3.cduniverse.ws/resized/250x500/music/836/1068836.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LIGbwMIXL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

Dave, I really REALLY appreciate the link for Ditter's autobiography, I've always wanted to read it!

Aces!
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 07, 2013, 06:28:05 AM
Dave, I really REALLY appreciate the link for Ditter's autobiography, I've always wanted to read it!

Aces!

Hi Leo - started last night (on my iPad) - easy read and conversational - hope that you enjoy!  Dave :)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on June 07, 2013, 07:35:20 AM
TTT -  ;D  So, what's new in the world of Karl DvD?

For those interested, his autobiography (dictated to his son and finished just several days before his death in 1799) is excellent - I read it several years back (interdepartmental loan) - HOWEVER, just downloaded a 'Kindle' edition from the U. of Toronto HERE (http://archive.org/details/autobiographyofk00dittuoft) - other DL options are available (can also be read online) - and FREE! :)

But prompted to post here because of a 'new' acquisition to my small collection of Ditters works, i.e. String Quartets from 1789 w/ the Gewandhaus Quartett - these are pleasant light works and quite enjoyable; well performed by this group; recordings are from 1980-81 w/ excellent remastering - now I own two other discs w/ the same SQs & several Quintets (also shown below) - Franz Schubert Quartet on CPO - have not made any comparisons.

Just left a post in the 'listening thread' and attached an old Fanfare review for those interested - the set consists of two 'short' discs (my only complaint; i.e. several additional works could have been easily added), but purchased from BRO for just $8! :)

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-HRzTGnq/0/S/Ditters_SQs_Gewandhaus-S.jpg)  (http://c3.cduniverse.ws/resized/250x500/music/836/1068836.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LIGbwMIXL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

oo oo oo do tell. I remember us talkin' the CPO String Quartets back a few years. I would most certainly like to hear a detailed comparison. Remember, I was raving about those Suske Beethoven recordings? Yes, it's been a while for the 'Dorf.

Needs new Thread Title...
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 07, 2013, 07:56:06 AM
Another exclusive Lead Balloon Thread by snyprrr!

Nice thread title, dude!
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on June 07, 2013, 08:26:05 AM
Nice thread title, dude!

I wish I had the power to change some others'!! :laugh: ;) ('twirbl...:)))))

!!The Twittering Twavails of Taneyev!!

aaaaAAAAaaAAAAHHHhHhhhHHHhaaaa
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 07, 2013, 09:05:22 AM
Nice thread title, dude!

Of course, it would be even better if he would just use the real name, not the one that had to be made up when Ditters achieved the nobility. To wit; 'In Titters over Ditters'. Certainly rolls more trippingly off the tongue.

Totally overlooks the reality of the Ditters situation, but whose counting?

8)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 07, 2013, 09:34:12 AM
snypsss overlooking reality? Are we sure?  0:)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 07, 2013, 03:32:27 PM
Of course, it would be even better if he would just use the real name, not the one that had to be made up when Ditters achieved the nobility. To wit; 'In Titters over Ditters'. Certainly rolls more trippingly off the tongue.

Totally overlooks the reality of the Ditters situation, but whose counting...

YEP, my thought exactly, i.e. In Titters Over Ditters - Karl Ditters was given a position that required an 'aristocratic' name, thus 'von Diddersdorf', at least in my understanding of the story - now I'm re-reading his autobiography @ the moment on my iPad (so may change my mind? ;))!

BUT, for snyprrr, I did listen to Ditters String Quartets, Nos. 1 & 3 from the two performances shown previously in my post this afternoon - the music is quite good and both performances are excellent - I can't make a choice for you; the Franz Schubert Quartet (FSQ) was recorded about 10 yrs later and the sound is a 'little' better - now the older recording on 2 discs (just over 80 minutes) is $10 at BRO; the 2 CPO discs of the FSQ are going to cost you in the mid-$20 on the Amazon MP, but has more music (2 additional String Quintets) - I guess, your choice - Dave :)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: listener on June 08, 2013, 04:23:30 AM
The double concerto for viola and double bass shows up in the fall listing for the Seattle Symphony:
10/18
2013 Mozart: Divertimento for String in D
 Dittersdorf: Sinf. concertante for Double Bass & Viola
 Mozart: Exsultate jubilate K.65
 Mozart: Symphony #29
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on June 08, 2013, 08:12:47 AM
Of course, it would be even better if he would just use the real name, not the one that had to be made up when Ditters achieved the nobility. To wit; 'In Titters over Ditters'. Certainly rolls more trippingly off the tongue.

Totally overlooks the reality of the Ditters situation, but whose counting?

8)

If people can still find 'Dittersdorf' when the Title says 'Ditters', then I'll change it. I just did it for the seeker. I like 'Ditters' better too. Lemme know and I'll change it (or you can).
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: The new erato on July 01, 2015, 09:32:53 AM
I just drove through Dittersdorf on my way from Leipzig to Passau. ;D
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 01, 2015, 12:46:36 PM
I just drove through Dittersdorf on my way from Leipzig to Passau. ;D

Very cool. I just listened to a disk of his string quartets. Not as cool, but more edifying (I hope!) 0:)

Hope you are enjoying your trip so far.

8)
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: snyprrr on July 05, 2015, 11:12:28 AM
Very cool. I just listened to a disk of his string quartets. Not as cool, but more edifying (I hope!) 0:)

Hope you are enjoying your trip so far.

8)

CPO?... which one(s)? I do remember enjoying the 'Dorf when we were going through all this... will have to look through Thread...
Title: Re: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: Moonfish on July 05, 2015, 11:36:41 AM
TTT -  ;D  So, what's new in the world of Karl DvD?

For those interested, his autobiography (dictated to his son and finished just several days before his death in 1799) is excellent - I read it several years back (interdepartmental loan) - HOWEVER, just downloaded a 'Kindle' edition from the U. of Toronto HERE (http://archive.org/details/autobiographyofk00dittuoft) - other DL options are available (can also be read online) - and FREE! :)


Dave,
Thanks for the link to the autobiography. It looks like a very interesting read!   :)
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: calyptorhynchus on March 17, 2017, 03:50:27 PM
Can anyone tel me what the deal is that Dittersdorf's Harp Concerto. I have a disk of it and love it, but recently it occurred to me that it may not originally be for Harp, as there is a keyboard concerto in A by Dittersdorf which is the same piece.

Did Dittersdorf write it for keyboard and later arrange it for harp, or vice versa, or did someone else do the arranging.
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 17, 2017, 05:55:28 PM
Can anyone tel me what the deal is that Dittersdorf's Harp Concerto. I have a disk of it and love it, but recently it occurred to me that it may not originally be for Harp, as there is a keyboard concerto in A by Dittersdorf which is the same piece.

Did Dittersdorf write it for keyboard and later arrange it for harp, or vice versa, or did someone else do the arranging.

Appears to be a transcription - below a quote from HERE (http://www.allmusic.com/composition/concerto-for-harp-2-oboes-2-horns-string-orchestra-in-a-major-mc0002357191) - just checked my collection of about a dozen discs of his works and to my surprise, I do not own the Harp Concerto - hmmm, a surprise.  Dave :)

ADDENDUM: Well, just corrected that absence by ordering the recording shown below - excellent review on Fanfare.

Quote
Although Karl Ditters von Dittersdorf's Concerto for harp and orchestra in A major is a favorite of concerto-starved harpists the world over, the fact remains that Dittersdorf never composed an original harp concerto: this most attractive work is a transcription -- by Dittersdorf himself -- of one of his five harpsichord concertos. If, however, one considers the tonal characteristics of the harp and the harpsichord (and at the same time ponders the origin of the word "harpsichord"), one will quickly recognize that such a transcription makes pretty good sense.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71To3vEE2QL._SL1200_.jpg)
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: calyptorhynchus on March 17, 2017, 10:32:10 PM
Thanks for the info, glad the transcription is original, and I think it sounds better on the harp anyway.
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 30, 2020, 11:29:34 AM
Well, has been nearly 3 years since a post to the Ditters thread - I'm on the Ds of my classical music collection (listening to a lot, culling and replacing some, etc.) - now pulled my Carl DvD discs - have not added much and up to about 8 or so CDs - just looked on Amazon and not much seems to have change relative to 'new' offerings - Naxos is licensing some old works, mainly Symphonies.

Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf (1739-1799) was an amazingly prolific and versatile composer, over 40 'concertos', 120 or so 'symphonies, plus likely hundreds of other works when perusing his compositions in his Wiki Article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Ditters_von_Dittersdorf); some of my recordings not shown before in this thread are below; listening to several now.  Also decided to re-read his autobiography which I just bought as a $3 Kindle edition, although a number of years ago, I left a link for a free copy (several pages ago).  Hopefully others will 'chime in' w/ some 'recent'' discoveries.  Dave :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1ViS49Za3L._SL1500_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71M6F-Mt%2B9L._SL1200_.jpg)  (https://www.amoeba.com/sized-images/max/500/500/uploads/buystuff_items/034571171791.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/616yrUlj5UL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-nXnBLG8/0/2a176914/O/DittersAutobio.png)
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 30, 2020, 07:51:00 PM
Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf - String Quartets/Quintets - the Berlin Classics w/ Gewandhaus Quartett is a 2-CD set of 6 Quartets w/ each disc being only 41+ mins; the CPO discs w/ the Franz Schubert Quartet each contain 4 works, i.e. the SAME Quartets on the Berlin release + 2 String Quintets - listening to both today, the CPO recordings are preferred by me and better value, so I've 'culled out' the duplicated works.  Thus, for those interested in these Ditters quartets, the CPO CDs offer the better value and performances IMO - Dave :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51WSO9u5pIL.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Nw0oOCbSL._SX522_.jpg)  (https://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqNHJ!8FH698C+(!BR+67mw8KQ~~_35.JPG?set_id=89040003C1)
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on January 31, 2020, 03:09:20 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/616yrUlj5UL.jpg)

I got interested of this one, but it's seriously OOP.  :-X
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on January 31, 2020, 03:15:53 AM
Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf - String Quartets/Quintets - the Berlin Classics w/ Gewandhaus Quartett is a 2-CD set of 6 Quartets w/ each disc being only 41+ mins; the CPO discs w/ the Franz Schubert Quartet each contain 4 works, i.e. the SAME Quartets on the Berlin release + 2 String Quintets - listening to both today, the CPO recordings are preferred by me and better value, so I've 'culled out' the duplicated works.  Thus, for those interested in these Ditters quartets, the CPO CDs offer the better value and performances IMO - Dave :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51WSO9u5pIL.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Nw0oOCbSL._SX522_.jpg)  (https://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqNHJ!8FH698C+(!BR+67mw8KQ~~_35.JPG?set_id=89040003C1)

Yes, those CPO discs are nice. I don't know the Berlin Classics set.

The availability of Dittersdorf's music isn't that great considering how prolific he was. Same thing with Vanhal. These two composers are really living in the shadows of Mozart and Haydn which is a shame because both are very fine composers.
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 31, 2020, 08:12:15 AM
I got interested of this one, but it's seriously OOP.  :-X

Hi Poju - listened to the oboe disc yesterday - excellent; I've seen it offered as a DL on Amazon & Presto (MP3 or FLAC on the latter site) - also for Spotify users, there are nearly two dozen Ditters recordings available for listening (first pic below; just half of the choices showing) - I listened to the 'Ovid' Sonatas on fortepiano this morning, enjoyable but not a purchase (plus streaming has become a major option for me these days).  Dave :)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-k29JmPz/0/d9d239a8/X2/DittersSpotify-X2.png)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81zKAyiF3zL._SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 31, 2020, 08:22:01 AM
Yes, those CPO discs are nice. I don't know the Berlin Classics set.

The availability of Dittersdorf's music isn't that great considering how prolific he was. Same thing with Vanhal. These two composers are really living in the shadows of Mozart and Haydn which is a shame because both are very fine composers.

Just to re-emphasize for those interested in Ditters' String Works, the 2 CPO SQ/SQunitet discs have the same 6 Quartets as the Berlin Classics recording, so in my mind the latter is not needed; also the CPO CDs are selling for 8 Euros each at JPC (https://www.jpc.de/s/karl+ditters+von+dittersdorf+lencesJPC); also, slightly cheaper at Presto (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/search?search_query=ditters+string+quartets) in either CD or DL (MP3 or FLAC) choices! - Dave
Title: Re: The 'Dorf: In Titters over Ditters
Post by: 71 dB on January 31, 2020, 10:11:27 AM
Hi Poju - listened to the oboe disc yesterday - excellent; I've seen it offered as a DL on Amazon & Presto (MP3 or FLAC on the latter site) - also for Spotify users, there are nearly two dozen Ditters recordings available for listening (first pic below; just half of the choices showing) - I listened to the 'Ovid' Sonatas on fortepiano this morning, enjoyable but not a purchase (plus streaming has become a major option for me these days).  Dave :)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-k29JmPz/0/d9d239a8/X2/DittersSpotify-X2.png)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81zKAyiF3zL._SL1500_.jpg)

I don't really do DL as I am fan of physical media, but yes, I can check the Oboe disc on Spotify.  :)