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Title: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 06, 2007, 09:10:00 AM
As I was reviewing notes for the Rosetti thread, I came across another performer & composer who wrote mainly for piano but also for harp (obviously influenced by his wife & mother) - in fact, just ordered a CD of Dussek's harp music (pic below) - I have nothing else by this composer, but he seemed to be a seminal & pivotal figure in the development of the piano and piano playing in the late 18th century.  Below is a short bio of Jan Dusseck taken from a number of different sources - please add any other comments & CD recommendations if you've heard and/or own compositions by Dussek - thanks & enjoy -  :laugh:

Jan Dussek (1760-1812) is considered the first important touring piano virtuoso, and was a highly regarded composer mainly of works related to that instrument.  He was born in Bohemia; his parents were both musicians – the father Jan Josef Dussek (1738 - 1818) was an organist and composer, while the mother played the harp.  Dussek studied piano from the age of five, played the organ at nine, and was also a singer in a boy's choir; in 1778, he attended the University of Prague.  By the late 1770s and early 1780s, he was travelling, playing the piano, and also became a keyboard teacher; while in Hamburg in 1782, he was taught by C.P.E. Bach, who was highly impressed with his pupil.  Additional travels took him to Russia, Lithuania, and Germany in the mid-1780s, where he also played the glass harmonica. Paris was his residence in the later 1780s, before he left for England - during all of these wanderings and residencies, he concertized & composed.

In 1792 he married the singer, pianist and harpist Sofia, the daughter of the music publisher Domenico Corri and founded the publishing house of Corri, Dussek & Co. Joseph Haydn made Dussek's acquaintance during his London visits, and as such was the only one of the Viennese classical composers to meet this international colleague. Haydn expressed his praise and admiration for Dussek in words previously used only in regard to Mozart as "a most upright man of integrity, culture and – concerning music – most excellent". Dussek's music business with his father-in-law failed in 1799; Corri was imprisoned, and Dussek fled England leaving his wife and now daughter behind.  He spent the years 1800-1807 mainly in Germany, resumed his European concert career (including a tour of Bohemia) - during this time he was the first pianist to place the piano sideways on the stage, so the audience could view him in profile (which must have ballooned in later years).

Dussek assume a number of other positions and remained popular until his death; in his last years he suffered from gout and other ailments, including excessive drinking and extreme obesity. However, he was hightly admired for his piano playing, innovations for the instrument, and his many compositions.  Other performers and composers, such as Clementi and Reicha were clearly influenced by Dussek's piano style; Moscheles, Hummel, Kalkbrenner, and even Chopin were likely influenced.

Jan Dussek composed primarily for the piano and for his own concert appearances, but he also promoted the publication and distribution of his works. 14 piano concertos, among them one for two pianos and orchestra, 3 harp concertos (also for the piano), piano trios, chamber music with piano, sonatas for piano 4 hands and above all the sonatas for solo piano, all indicating his  preference for this instrument.


(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/full/44/448960.JPG)  (http://www.haydn.dk/cimages/dussek1.jpg)  (http://www.haydn.dk/cimages/dussek2.jpg) (Early & later in life -  :o).

P.S. Just 36 CDs listed on the Arkiv site (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/albumList.jsp?name_id1=3303&name_role1=1&bcorder=1) - any recommendations?  :)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 06, 2007, 10:31:24 AM
Well, just received the Dussek disc below of Piano Sonatas (Nos. 18, 24, 26) - started a new thread w/ the initial post from the old one above - LINK OLD THREAD (http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,9360.0.html) - this is on the CPO label, recorded and performed well, and indeed virtuosic pieces of solo piano music - just delightful; good review on Classics Today (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=9885); unfortunately, the Frederick Martin set mentioned in the review on the Dorian label (one disc below, right) appears to be OOP in checking their website (would love to hear those recordings!) -  :D

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000EBEGRI.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_AA240_.jpg)  (http://www.dorian.com/dev/images/80110s.gif)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Harry on April 06, 2007, 11:28:39 AM
This is the only one I have Dave and I am quite happy with it. But not so much that I wanted to explore more into his music.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 06, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
Quote from: Harry on April 06, 2007, 11:28:39 AM
This is the only one I have Dave and I am quite happy with it. But not so much that I wanted to explore more into his music.

Harry - yes, I have that Piano Trios disc, but I must say that these Piano Sonatas are quite enjoyable & well-recorded; a number of recommendations were given in the 'old' thread linked in one of the above posts for those who may be interested; but I would love to get my hands on those Dorian recordings!  Dave
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Lilas Pastia on April 06, 2007, 02:42:04 PM
Dussek's (forte)piano sonatas are really important works. But there's many of them , and record companies )and painists) are just starting to explore them. I'm not saying he's a genius, but hearing his music neatly rounds out a comprehensive late 18th-early 19th  century music history. His music is scattered over quite a few labels( I own 3 discs where his piano music feautures). But the trios are terra incognita.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on April 06, 2007, 03:59:58 PM
Quote from: Harry on April 06, 2007, 11:28:39 AM
This is the only one I have Dave and I am quite happy with it. But not so much that I wanted to explore more into his music.

Harry,
You mustn't base your opinion on his chamber music. He was a specialist in piano works, and anything else will clearly be second best. Staier has a 2 disk set on DHM that is really quite highly regarded, some sonatas and fantasias. I am in the same position as Lilas, I have 3 or 4 disks of the sonatas on fortepiano, and the best of them appears to be Staier, although there is a nice one on Olympia with Geoffrey Govier that is very nice too. :)

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Harry on April 06, 2007, 11:46:57 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 06, 2007, 03:59:58 PM
Harry,
You mustn't base your opinion on his chamber music. He was a specialist in piano works, and anything else will clearly be second best. Staier has a 2 disk set on DHM that is really quite highly regarded, some sonatas and fantasias. I am in the same position as Lilas, I have 3 or 4 disks of the sonatas on fortepiano, and the best of them appears to be Staier, although there is a nice one on Olympia with Geoffrey Govier that is very nice too. :)

8)

Good, then I will look into that Gurn. Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 25, 2007, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 06, 2007, 03:59:58 PM
....... He was a specialist in piano works, and anything else will clearly be second best. Staier has a 2 disk set on DHM that is really quite highly regarded, some sonatas and fantasias. I am in the same position as Lilas, I have 3 or 4 disks of the sonatas on fortepiano, and the best of them appears to be Staier, although there is a nice one on Olympia with Geoffrey Govier that is very nice too. :)

Just acquired the Dussek Piano Sonatas & Fantasias mentioned above - 2-CD set of re-released recordings from 1992 & 1994 performed by Andreas Staier on an 1805 Broadwood-Hammerflugel 'restored' fortepiano.  I've gotten through just the first disc of sonatas (Op. 35, 1-3; Op. 31, 2) - the piano is impressive & Staier can really 'pound' those keys, but also provide a 'gentle' touch when needed; these are really authoritative compositions written by a virtuoso; and the music really sounds much more into the romantic period that when first put to paper.  Check out the one Amazonian Review (http://www.amazon.com/Dussek-Piano-Sonatas-Fantasia-Fugue/dp/B0007AC1GY/ref=sr_1_5/103-8488946-8127043?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1177535672&sr=1-5), if interested -  :)

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512YWN18D0L._AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: 71 dB on April 25, 2007, 01:52:28 PM
I have this Naxos (8.553622) CD:

(http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8256/213z14qgbplaa130zf3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

It contains Dussek's Sonata No. 2 for harp, Op. 34 and Concerto for Harp and Orchestra in E Flat Major, Op. 15. Nice disc!
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 07, 2009, 02:58:14 PM
Boy, another thread lost in the doldrums!  :-\

Just acquired a Dussek disc recommended highly by another GMG member:

Grand Desserts - World of Jan Ladislav Dussek - the title & the cover art are completely unrevealing unfortunately, but a series of CDs devoted to this era and played on period instruments.

Basically, harp music of Dussek, both solo but most w/ fortepiano - performers are Masumi Nagasawa & Richard Egarr - Nagasawa plays a single-action original harp from 1815 & Egarr an original fortepiano from 1804; the sound the the harp is wonderful, much more delicate than a modern concert harp (but more forceful that a Celtic variety, that my wife plays) - Nagasawa has an excellent Website HERE (http://www.masuminagasawa.com/cdseries/page15/page15.html) which has plenty of information of these period harps and the 'gourmet' series of recordings she is doing - take a look!  :D

P.S. Gurn Alert - think that this disc will be on your 'radar screen' (of course, if not already owned!) -  ;)  Dave


(http://giradman.smugmug.com/photos/486786325_mznuU-M.jpg)

(http://www.masuminagasawa.com/cdseries/page15/files/masumirichard.jpg)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: snyprrr on July 29, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
No one has the cd of his late SQs (1806)?
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 30, 2011, 09:47:49 AM
BOY - a year and a half since the last post for Jan -  :-\

Well, I just acquired a disc of his String Quartets, Op. 60 from 1806 performed by the Camesina Quartett (their website HERE (http://www.camesina-quartett.de/index.html)) - these are 'period instrument' recordings released in 2008 w/ just superb sound and string playing.  Since Dussek was so keyboard-centric (i.e. as a performer & composer), I was not sure 'what' to expect from these late compositions - he apparently did little else in the remaining years of his life (except for a piano dedication, Op. 61, to his friend Prince Louis of Prussia who was killed in battle w/ the French later in the same year).

Nothing much to find regarding reviews - I usually don't quote the Amazonians (unless for a handful of reviewers I do like), but a single 5* review is well done for this recording HERE (http://www.amazon.com/Dussek-String-Quartets-Jan-Ladislav/dp/B001O5YND0/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1296412436&sr=1-1).  For Dussek fans this is probably a MUST in a collection of his recordings just for the fact that these are his only SQs; plus, this is not second rate composing even in the shadows of Mozart, Haydn, and Beethoven (who was still writing his own SQs) - these works comprise a transition between the classical and romantic periods, and yet another reason for their importance.  Finally, the period instrumentalists just put in a superb effort in bringing these compositions back to life -  :D


(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/DussekSQsCamesina/1172005850_nLbTg-O.jpg)  (http://www.camesina-quartett.de/garbage/54/547341/big_11067762_0_600-642.jpg)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 30, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: SonicMan on January 30, 2011, 09:47:49 AM
BOY - a year and a half since the last post for Jan -  :-\

Well, I just acquired a disc of his String Quartets, Op. 60 from 1806 performed by the Camesina Quartett (their website HERE (http://www.camesina-quartett.de/index.html)) - these are 'period instrument' recordings released in 2008 w/ just superb sound and string playing.  Since Dussek was so keyboard-centric (i.e. as a performer & composer), I was not sure 'what' to expect from these late compositions - he apparently did little else in the remaining years of his life (except for a piano dedication, Op. 61, to his friend Prince Louis of Prussia who was killed in battle w/ the French later in the same year).

Nothing much to find regarding reviews - I usually don't quote the Amazonians (unless for a handful of reviewers I do like), but a single 5* review is well done for this recording HERE (http://www.amazon.com/Dussek-String-Quartets-Jan-Ladislav/dp/B001O5YND0/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1296412436&sr=1-1).  For Dussek fans this is probably a MUST in a collection of his recordings just for the fact that these are his only SQs; plus, this is not second rate composing even in the shadows of Mozart, Haydn, and Beethoven (who was still writing his own SQs) - these works comprise a transition between the classical and romantic periods, and yet another reason for their importance.  Finally, the period instrumentalists just put in a superb effort in bringing these compositions back to life -  :D


(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/DussekSQsCamesina/1172005850_nLbTg-O.jpg)  (http://www.camesina-quartett.de/garbage/54/547341/big_11067762_0_600-642.jpg)

Dave,
I am almost sure that I reviewed (in my own humble way) that disk in the Corner back when I got it, maybe 6 months ago. I had forgotten that JLD has his own thread...  :-[   In any case, I was very pleased with it. If I'm not mistaken, those were his only works that didn't include a piano. Harmonically and rhythmically they sure didn't sound like 1806 to me: more like 1836! And as you saying, very nice playing and great sound by these players. :)

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 30, 2011, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 30, 2011, 10:10:09 AM
Dave,
I am almost sure that I reviewed (in my own humble way) that disk in the Corner back when I got it, maybe 6 months ago. I had forgotten that JLD has his own thread...  :-[   In any case, I was very pleased with it. If I'm not mistaken, those were his only works that didn't include a piano. Harmonically and rhythmically they sure didn't sound like 1806 to me: more like 1836! And as you saying, very nice playing and great sound by these players. :)

Hi Gurn - I did a quick search of the thread mentioned before posting but did not see a reference to these works; of course, I may have easily missed the post - if so, sorry!  :-\

Quote from: snyprrr on July 29, 2009, 11:11:44 AMNo one has the cd of his late SQs (1806)?

But at any rate, Snyprrr will have at least 3 positive reviews of these works to make up his own mind!  ;D

Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 30, 2011, 03:21:10 PM
Quote from: SonicMan on January 30, 2011, 02:53:35 PM
Hi Gurn - I did a quick search of the thread mentioned before posting but did not see a reference to these works; of course, I may have easily missed the post - if so, sorry!  :-\

But at any rate, Snyprrr will have at least 3 positive reviews of these works to make up his own mind!  ;D

Not at all. It could be one of those things that I thought about doing, and then, in the event, I forgot! Someone did post about it there though, which is how I knew it even existed, IIRC... :-\

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: king ubu on June 30, 2014, 12:38:38 AM
Bumping this thread ... I don't know much Dussek yet, but I enjoy the Trio 1790 disc very much, and the one Staier disc (Vol. 2 of the Sonatas) in his DHM box is great!

Just gave this one a spin, and it's easily recommended, too:

[asin]B004P96WAY[/asin]
The older edition I have (bought used last year) looks like this:

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It comes with three sets of notes (on Dussek, on the works and Christopher Clarke on the piano) and I really hope the reissue contains all that as well as I found it a very interesting read!

I'm not much into harp so far (my idea of harp playing is somewhere between Dorothy Ashby and Zeena Parkins), but I've got to get the first of Staier's solo clavier discs for sure! And that string quartets disc is on my wantlist now, as well!
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Scion7 on July 30, 2014, 05:13:13 AM
Quote from: Harry on April 06, 2007, 11:28:39 AM
This is the only one I have Dave and I am quite happy with it. But not so much that I wanted to explore more into his music.

Quote from Gurn: "Harry, You mustn't base your opinion on his chamber music. He was a specialist in piano works, and anything else will clearly be second best."

(He says to old posting) - well, the Piano Trios do basically revolve around the piano. I think the issue is, that the Trios are very much in the Classic style - not much about them have any slightly Romantic elements.  They are all well-constructed, but absolute music.  Perhaps Opus 31 No.2's 'Pastorale' has a bit more emotion to it.   Some of the Sonatas approach mid-period Beethoven in feel.  Dussek is good to dip one's toes in from time to time.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 30, 2014, 06:11:31 AM
Well, since my last response to this thread, I've added a few more Dussek recordings - have the Staier CDs of Sonatas & Concertos, and also added the other disc of Sonatas w/ Markus Becker.

Another wonderful recording is shown below, i.e. a compilation of Piano Quintets w/ one by Dussek - recommended!

Finally (and stimulated by the re-emergence of this thread), I just put the other two discs below into my Amazon cart - might make an order later today (both are cheap on the MP) - :)

Finally, there is a pre-order Hyperion CD of Piano Concertos w/ Howard Shelley - will this be the start of a series?  Dave

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FYq9zgiSL.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6170TxuCdmL.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415cSLz744L.jpg)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Scion7 on July 30, 2014, 08:18:01 AM
^ note that FRANZ XAVIER Dussek is not Jan, nor is he related to that musical family - he just happens to have the same last name.

AS for the Quintet, YES - very much recommended.  I have not heard the Violin Sonatas yet, but, I would go ahead and say this is his best chamber piece, over the String Quartets and the Piano Quartet.  I get an early-Romantic feel sometimes from Opus 41.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: The new erato on July 30, 2014, 09:17:38 AM
You're from Izmir? I actually visited in 1978!  :)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 30, 2014, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Scion7 on July 30, 2014, 08:18:01 AM
^ note that FRANZ XAVIER Dussek is not Jan, nor is he related to that musical family - he just happens to have the same last name.

AS for the Quintet, YES - very much recommended.  I have not heard the Violin Sonatas yet, but, I would go ahead and say this is his best chamber piece, over the String Quartets and the Piano Quartet.  I get an early-Romantic feel sometimes from Opus 41.

OOPS - yes, I noticed that after posting, and after reviewing Jan's catalog HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Jan_Ladislav_Dussek), there are no symphonies listed - thanks for bringing that to my attention - still in my Amazon cart - Dave :)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: amw on July 30, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
Does anyone know anything about this set? http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Heritage/HTGCD300

I suppose a complete set would be nice, if the playing's good, though any performances of the Élégie harmonique & Le retour à Paris are unlikely to best Staier in my esteem. Most of Dussek's piano sonatas are on a level with the majority of Haydn's, pleasant but not exceptional, but the best ones can match early Schubert/middle Beethoven I think.

edit: apparently Richard Egarr is planning to record the complete solo works as well... maybe I'll wait for that one instead. Though Dussek does sound pretty good on a modern piano as well, as Markus Becker has attested.

edit 2: the second volume of Garzón's cycle is scheduled for release in August according to https://harmoniamundiuk.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/classical-aug-25-wp.pdf
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Scion7 on July 30, 2014, 02:31:36 PM
too bad he was as fat as a house during most of his life!    :P
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 05, 2014, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: Scion7 on July 30, 2014, 02:31:36 PM
too bad he was as fat as a house during most of his life!    :P

Actually, before he 'blew up' like a beach ball, he was considered a good looking younger man, especially his facial profile (below is about the best pic I could find) - in fact, there is a story (real or not?) that the piano was turned 'sideways' on the stage so the audience could see his profile - think that may have started a trend!   ;D   Dave

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Dussek.jpg)

Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 05, 2014, 02:12:47 PM
Duo Harp & Fortepiano music of Dussek - I just received V.2 of the performances of these works w/ Masumi Nagasawa on a F.J. Naderman single-action harp (Paris), 1815 & Richard Egarr on a John Broadwood fortepiano, 1804 (same instruments used for both volumes, cover art shown below).

There are few reviews of these recordings but Jerry Dubins gave V.1 the worst review that I've seen written by him, basically calling the production a DISASTER (review attached) - the closing sentence quoted below - now I just re-listened to that disc and the sound can be reverberant, especially in the louder portions of the fortepiano, BUT I'm not sure - Jerry may have been wearing one of those old-time diving helmets -  ;) :D

Jerry seem to blame 'his comments' on the recording location; NOW, V.2 (recorded elsewhere) received a strong review in MusicWeb HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Jan13/Dussek_harp_duos_KTC1436.htm) - SO, just curious of others' opinions of these works - Dave :)

QuoteThis release could have been a valuable addition to the Dussek discography. The instruments are authentic: an 1815 single-action Naderman harp, which has a lovely silvery tone when heard solo in the only redeeming item on the program, the op. 34 solo harp sonata; and the aforementioned Broadwood 1804 Grand, a five-octave plus seven-note model. In no way can either Nagasawa or Egarr be faulted for this recording disaster.   Jerry Dubins

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-3D8z3KR/0/O/Dussek_Harp.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-gPMTRPv/0/O/Dussek_FPHarp_V2.jpg) 
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer! (1760-1812)
Post by: Scion7 on April 01, 2016, 10:42:35 PM
He was addicted to drink in the last years of his life - his obesity was probably due to gout impeding his physical exertions.  Too bad, because a piece like the   

     Piano Sonata (No. 28?) in f-minor, Opus 77 L'Invocation

from circa 1812 should be remembered as being from the handsome Dussek of his younger days, not a blob.
Astoundingly forward-looking.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - family name "Dusík"
Post by: Scion7 on July 13, 2016, 02:36:37 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on July 29, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
No one has the cd of his late SQs (1806)?

Yes, the release by these musicians:  (http://s31.postimg.org/o50rc0m6j/Camesina.jpg)

From your other postings, I didn't think this sort of thing was your cuppa?
But however you came to be interested, I applaud your diversification.  8)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 19, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
Well, I started this Dussek thread back in 2007 and is on only a couple of pages w/ the last post in 2014 - since that latter time I've not added much to Jan's collection until recently; most famous for his Piano Sonatas, admired by Haydn, and 'regarded by his contemporaries as on of the foremost keyboard performers and composers of his age' (from the liner notes).

Well, Brilliant is half way through an 8-CD series recording all of his keyboard works on a variety of fortepianos using 8 different performers - I have bought into the first 4 volumes (the 5th is on the Brilliant website as a recent release) - below is a listing of the of the fortepianists for these first four releases along w/ the instruments used; also the pics show which sonatas are included on their cover art.  Dave :)

QuoteV. 1 - Bart van Oort - Longman Clementi (London, 1798-1799), restored in 2002.
V. 2 - Piet Kuijken - Longman Clementi (London, 1798) - same collection as used by Oort.
V. 3 - Alexei Lubimov - same fortepiano (FP) as previous volumes.
V. 4 - Tuija Hakkila - Anon. Viennese FP, ca. 1795-1800 restored & copy of Longman Clementi FP (London, 1798) made Chris Maene, 2003

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71RaJCVV6KL._SL1000_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81SQnf0xMfL._SX522_.jpg) 

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 19, 2019, 03:26:14 PM
I have this CD with Rudolf Firkusny (a wonderful and favorite of mine Czech pianist) which I've enjoyed.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=92144

Has anyone here heard it before now?  I'd like to explore more of Dussek's works too.

PD

Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Daverz on January 19, 2019, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on January 19, 2019, 03:26:14 PM
I have this CD with Rudolf Firkusny (a wonderful and favorite of mine Czech pianist) which I've enjoyed.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=92144

Has anyone here heard it before now?  I'd like to explore more of Dussek's works too.

PD

I have this, and it is very good.  I would warn you not to listen to Dvorak last as you will not remember anything that came before it, despite the fact that Dvorak's piano music was supposedly not "idiomatic" for the instrument. 
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 19, 2019, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Daverz on January 19, 2019, 03:46:39 PM
I have this, and it is very good.  I would warn you not to listen to Dvorak last as you will not remember anything that came before it, despite the fact that Dvorak's piano music was supposedly not "idiomatic" for the instrument.
;) :)  But, seriously, it's been a while since I've listened to it; that said, I do love me my Dvorak!   ;D

Best,

PD

p.s.  And I do love your avatar!  Is that one of yours (cats?)?
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Daverz on January 19, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on January 19, 2019, 03:50:54 PM

p.s.  And I do love your avatar!  Is that one of yours (cats?)?

Just a cat photo I found on the internet.  I had a even weirder hairless cat as my avatar before it was lost in the big GMG crash in the 2000s.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 19, 2019, 05:14:29 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on January 19, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
Well, I started this Dussek thread back in 2007 and is on only a couple of pages w/ the last post in 2014 - since that latter time I've not added much to Jan's collection until recently; most famous for his Piano Sonatas, admired by Haydn, and 'regarded by his contemporaries as on of the foremost keyboard performers and composers of his age' (from the liner notes).

Well, Brilliant is half way through an 8-CD series recording all of his keyboard works on a variety of fortepianos using 8 different performers - I have bought into the first 4 volumes (the 5th is on the Brilliant website as a recent release) - below is a listing of the of the fortepianists for these first four releases along w/ the instruments used; also the pics show which sonatas are included on their cover art.  Dave :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71RaJCVV6KL._SL1000_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81SQnf0xMfL._SX522_.jpg) 

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81NqRtbNE%2BL._SL1200_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zo0JLG82L._SL1200_.jpg)

I have the first 3 of those, Dave, and am looking forward to the rest of them. I also have this one that is new and interesting:
(https://i.imgur.com/bHpHOGp.jpg)


Oh, and have we ever mentioned this super little keyboard trios one? I can't remember, it's been too long away from this thread:
(https://i.imgur.com/SKeutQx.jpg)


I have actually been listening to quite a lot of Dussek, since he was in London with Haydn on both trips there and I played a lot of music by those people who were. Very nice!

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 19, 2019, 05:35:31 PM
Quote from: Daverz on January 19, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
Just a cat photo I found on the internet.  I had a even weirder hairless cat as my avatar before it was lost in the big GMG crash in the 2000s.

Pardon my slight diversion of this thread:  do you have a cat of your own?

PD
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Daverz on January 19, 2019, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on January 19, 2019, 05:35:31 PM
Pardon my slight diversion of this thread:  do you have a cat of your own?

No, I don't have any pets.

Latest Dussek acquisition, Piano Concerto in B-flat major, played by Rena Kyriakou in a Vox Box

(https://content-images.p-cdn.com/images/public/int/1/2/8/4/047163514821_1080W_1080H.jpg)

Original Lp cover:

(https://img.discogs.com/m3TAACBuChmPFBe1eTeyjeUVpRU=/fit-in/596x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-5299622-1389968397-1257.jpeg.jpg)

Nobody can seem to agree how to spell the composer's name.

Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 20, 2019, 07:38:21 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on January 19, 2019, 03:26:14 PM
I have this CD with Rudolf Firkusny (a wonderful and favorite of mine Czech pianist) which I've enjoyed.

(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/998/MI0000998593.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=92144

Has anyone here heard it before now?  I'd like to explore more of Dussek's works too.

Hi PD - just added a pic above for those who may be interested - do not have that specific set, but probably many of the performances on other CDs - thanks for contributing to this thread - Dave :)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 20, 2019, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 19, 2019, 05:14:29 PM
I have the first 3 of those, Dave, and am looking forward to the rest of them. I also have this one that is new and interesting:

(https://i.imgur.com/bHpHOGp.jpg)  (https://i.imgur.com/SKeutQx.jpg)

Oh, and have we ever mentioned this super little keyboard trios one? I can't remember, it's been too long away from this thread:

I have actually been listening to quite a lot of Dussek, since he was in London with Haydn on both trips there and I played a lot of music by those people who were. Very nice!

Hi Gurn - glad that you have 'jumped in' to comment and not surprised that you already own most of the released Brilliant FP set - today, I'm listening for a second time and really enjoying, so will likely continue to acquire the CDs on release.  BTW, the 'Trios' recording was mentioned by Harry and me on the first page (in 2007 - YIKES!).

The 'Concerto for Two Pianos', i.e. fortepianos looks enticing, but the Amazon USA price is pushing $20 (half that for the MP3 DL) - did you find a 'better deal'?  Dave :)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 20, 2019, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on January 20, 2019, 07:49:29 AM
Hi Gurn - glad that you have 'jumped in' to comment and not surprised that you already own most of the released Brilliant FP set - today, I'm listening for a second time and really enjoying, so will likely continue to acquire the CDs on release.  BTW, the 'Trios' recording was mentioned by Harry and me on the first page (in 2007 - YIKES!).

The 'Concerto for Two Pianos', i.e. fortepianos looks enticing, but the Amazon USA price is pushing $20 (half that for the MP3 DL) - did you find a 'better deal'?  Dave :)

Dave, yeah, it was $13 at Presto, and I was getting a few others so the shipping was negligible. Lubimov is really very good on this, as I expected, and Olga was a pleasant new discovery.

I figured someone had mentioned those trios, I just happened to listen to them the other night so they were on my mind.

This isn't an exclusive Dussek disk, but I got it for the Krumpholz as well. These are works that were played at Haydn's London concerts, where harp concertos were in almost every concert. It's a good disk, and I know you like harp...
(https://i.imgur.com/0qO0Xdo.jpg)

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 20, 2019, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 20, 2019, 11:27:57 AM
Dave, yeah, it was $13 at Presto, and I was getting a few others so the shipping was negligible. Lubimov is really very good on this, as I expected, and Olga was a pleasant new discovery.

I figured someone had mentioned those trios, I just happened to listen to them the other night so they were on my mind.

This isn't an exclusive Dussek disk, but I got it for the Krumpholz as well. These are works that were played at Haydn's London concerts, where harp concertos were in almost every concert. It's a good disk, and I know you like harp...

Thanks Gurn for the Presto suggestion - have not order from them in years, SO took a look and ended up putting 9 items in my cart, nearly all 'on sale' - list below w/ prices; I've been wanting more Röntgen Symphonies and also to complete my Pleyel Prussian Quartets - Amazon wanted $17 each for those 5 CDs (YES, was Prime - the shipping average from the UK to me was $1.80/item, so a good savings in my mind); ordered the Dussek Brilliant V.5 + the one you recommended; finally, decided to try the 3-CD Hummel set on fortepiano (the Italian guy w/ the long name - ;) ) - happy w/ the purchase.  Dave :)

QuoteDussek: Concerto For Two Pianos & Chamber Works - $13.00
Dussek: Complete Piano Sonatas Vol. 5 - $8.50
J L Dussek: Piano Concertos Opp 3, 14 & 49 - $14.25
Hummel: Complete Piano Sonatas - $11.75
Röntgen: Symphonies Nos. 5, 6 & 19 - $11.50
Röntgen: Symphony No. 18 - $11.50 - $11.50
Röntgen: Symphonies Nos. 8 & 15 - $11.50
Pleyel: Prussian Quartets 1-3 - $9.25
Pleyel: Prussian Quartets Nos. 4-6 - $9.25
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 20, 2019, 02:53:41 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on January 20, 2019, 02:40:14 PM
Thanks Gurn for the Presto suggestion - have not order from them in years, SO took a look and ended up putting 9 items in my cart, nearly all 'on sale' - list below w/ prices; I've been wanting more Röntgen Symphonies and also to complete my Pleyel Prussian Quartets - Amazon wanted $17 each for those 5 CDs (YES, was Prime - the shipping average from the UK to me was $1.80/item, so a good savings in my mind); ordered the Dussek Brilliant V.5 + the one you recommended; finally, decided to try the 3-CD Hummel set on fortepiano (the Italian guy w/ the long name - ;) ) - happy w/ the purchase.  Dave :)

That's a nice list. I have that Mastroprimiano/Hummel, you should like it, esp. if you liked his Clementi. I actually had a complete cycle on fortepiano, but it was by, like, 3 different players!  :D  I really need to get vol 4 & 5 of that Brilliant set. When they have those singles like that, a lot of times they are only available for a very short time and then go OOP for good. Sad...

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 21, 2019, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on January 20, 2019, 07:38:21 AM
Hi PD - just added a pic above for those who may be interested - do not have that specific set, but probably many of the performances on other CDs - thanks for contributing to this thread - Dave :)

Thanks for the pic.

By the way, I ran across this on youtube (haven't had a chance yet to check your old thread), but am wondering whether or not you have this recording or have heard it before.  The bits that I was able to listen to (before getting interrupted), I did enjoy.  You can listen to it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upaa1ACuBs0

Or has anyone else hear heard it or the piano concerto (not certain how many he had written)?

Best,

PD
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on January 21, 2019, 05:32:16 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on January 21, 2019, 01:51:21 PM
By the way, I ran across this on youtube (haven't had a chance yet to check your old thread), but am wondering whether or not you have this recording or have heard it before.  The bits that I was able to listen to (before getting interrupted), I did enjoy.  You can listen to it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upaa1ACuBs0 - Or has anyone else hear heard it or the piano concerto (not certain how many he had written)?

Hi again PD - cannot comment on your YouTube link - but Dussek composed just over a dozen 'verified' Piano Concertos - see list below (Wiki link) - I own the first 2 CDs pictured below and have just ordered the second Shelley disc - I've added the tracks from these 3 discs to the listing, SO about two-thirds of his piano concertos are available on these recordings which are quite good and recommended, if interested - note that Shelley performs on a modern piano and Staier on an 1806 fortepiano, a reason to own both performances.  Hope this helps - Dave :)

QuoteList of Piano Concertos by Dussek:
Op. 1-1 (Craw 2) \ Piano Concerto No. 1 (1783)
Op. 1-2 (Craw 3) \ Piano Concerto No. 2 (1783)
Op. 1-3 (Craw 4) \ Piano Concerto No. 3 (1783) - Shelley I
Op. 3 (Craw 33) \ Piano Concerto No. 4 (1787) - Shelley II
Op. 14 (Craw 77) \ Piano Concerto No. 5 (1791) - Shelly II
Op. 17 (Craw 78) \ Piano Concerto No. 6 (1792)
Op. 22 (Craw 97) \ Piano Concerto No. 7 (1793) - Staier
Op. 27 (Craw 104) \ Piano Concerto No. 8 (1794)
Op. 29 (Craw 125) \ Piano Concerto No. 9 (1795) - Shelley I
Op. 40 (Craw 153) \ Piano Concerto No. 10 (1799)
No opus number (Craw 158) \ Piano Concerto No. 11 (1798?)
Op. 49 (Craw 187) \ Piano Concerto No. 12 (1801) - Staier + Shelley II
Op. 70 (Craw 238) \ Piano Concerto No. 13 (1810) - Shelley I
Piano Concerto Craw 1 (lost)
Piano Concerto Craw D7 (dubious)
Piano Concerto Craw D8 (dubious) (Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Jan_Ladislav_Dussek))

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: amw on January 21, 2019, 05:36:22 PM
Hyperion is recording the piano concerti as part of their Classical Piano Concerto series w Howard Shelley directing. There are a good number (at least 12) but some of those are selections from earlier works republished as a "new" concerto by publishers hoping to capitalise on Dussek's popularity so I'm not sure what the complete set will look like.

Op.49 is the most popular these days and the only one in a minor key—these things are probably related—and has been compared favourably to Beethoven's Op.37 which appeared around the same time. There's no real question of influence though as the two composers were working in different countries at the time. (Dussek's earlier piano sonatas are said to have influenced Beethoven, incl similarities between Op.9 no.2 and Beethoven's Op.2 no.3, and Op.35 no.3 and Beethoven's Op.13, and Op.44 and Beethoven's Op.81a although this seems mostly based on coincidences of key and title.)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 25, 2019, 05:15:48 AM
Interesting to hear about his current popularity.  And thanks to both of you gents for the information regarding the new(and 'ish') recordings of his music.

Hadn't heard before that Dussek's music might have influenced Beethoven; is there any correspondence, etc., along the lines suggesting/possibly proving that?

PD
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: amw on January 25, 2019, 05:54:43 AM
Not that I'm aware of—mostly conjecture based on similarities of musical material and style & Dussek's works being widely available at the time. There are some detailed musical analyses but no contextual evidence.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 02, 2020, 08:29:17 AM
Dussek TTT! - well has been a year - quoted below is a post that I left on the second page of this thread (from 2014!) - well, I re-listened to the Nagasawa-Egarr discs yesterday - in part, would agree w/ Dubins about the recording site of the first one - the second performance sounds much better - attached are reviews on each recording, including Jerry's rants!

Now, looking on Amazon & Spotify, there are plenty of Dussek 'harp recordings' for those interested - last night I listened to the one addition inserted below (third pic - Kyunghee Kim-Sutre) - beautiful performance; several years ago I'd likely buy the recording, at least as an MP3 but I've become quite use to having Spotify play in multiple rooms in my house, so may put together a 'Dussek Harp Playlist'.  Dave

QuoteDuo Harp & Fortepiano music of Dussek - I just received V.2 of the performances of these works w/ Masumi Nagasawa on a F.J. Naderman single-action harp (Paris), 1815 & Richard Egarr on a John Broadwood fortepiano, 1804 (same instruments used for both volumes, cover art shown below).

There are few reviews of these recordings but Jerry Dubins gave V.1 the worst review that I've seen written by him, basically calling the production a DISASTER (review attached) - the closing sentence quoted below - now I just re-listened to that disc and the sound can be reverberant, especially in the louder portions of the fortepiano, BUT I'm not sure - Jerry may have been wearing one of those old-time diving helmets -  ;) :D

Jerry seem to blame 'his comments' on the recording location; NOW, V.2 (recorded elsewhere) received a strong review in MusicWeb HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Jan13/Dussek_harp_duos_KTC1436.htm) - SO, just curious of others' opinions of these works - Dave :)

QuoteThis release could have been a valuable addition to the Dussek discography. The instruments are authentic: an 1815 single-action Naderman harp, which has a lovely silvery tone when heard solo in the only redeeming item on the program, the op. 34 solo harp sonata; and the aforementioned Broadwood 1804 Grand, a five-octave plus seven-note model. In no way can either Nagasawa or Egarr be faulted for this recording disaster.   Jerry Dubins

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-3D8z3KR/0/O/Dussek_Harp.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-gPMTRPv/0/O/Dussek_FPHarp_V2.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71tZASp420L._SL1000_.jpg) 
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 02, 2020, 09:00:55 AM
Today, exploring Jan Dussek's Piano Concertos in my collection - I have the 4 discs shown below, but not much more available on Amazon USA (Shelley's 2nd Hyperion recording was done in 2017 - nothing else is listed on their website) - there are 13 solo piano concertos w/ one duplication between Staier & Shelley, so half have not been recorded (now, I've not really checked well the ones on some of the other CDs listed on Amazon or elsewhere?) - see quoted list below from an earlier post.  The 'Concerto for Two Pianos' w/ Lubimov is excellent but a mixture w/ chamber works. I decided to 'cull out' the Staier disc because the last piece is a talking/piano 'tribute' to Marie Antoinette - not my thing, I guess.

So, Brilliant has done a great job w/ Dussek's Sonatas on fortepiano - why not a similar series of the Piano Concertos on period instruments?  Dave :)

ADDENDUM: I contacted Hyperion by email and received an immediate response about whether Howard Shelley will record the remainder of Dussek's Piano Concertos - NO plans in the near future - the ball is thrown in Brilliant's field, as mentioned in the sentence above?

QuoteList of Piano Concertos by Dussek:
Op. 1-1 (Craw 2) \ Piano Concerto No. 1 (1783)
Op. 1-2 (Craw 3) \ Piano Concerto No. 2 (1783)
Op. 1-3 (Craw 4) \ Piano Concerto No. 3 (1783) - Shelley I
Op. 3 (Craw 33) \ Piano Concerto No. 4 (1787) - Shelley II
Op. 14 (Craw 77) \ Piano Concerto No. 5 (1791) - Shelly II
Op. 17 (Craw 78) \ Piano Concerto No. 6 (1792)
Op. 22 (Craw 97) \ Piano Concerto No. 7 (1793) - Staier
Op. 27 (Craw 104) \ Piano Concerto No. 8 (1794)
Op. 29 (Craw 125) \ Piano Concerto No. 9 (1795) - Shelley I
Op. 40 (Craw 153) \ Piano Concerto No. 10 (1799)
No opus number (Craw 158) \ Piano Concerto No. 11 (1798?)
Op. 49 (Craw 187) \ Piano Concerto No. 12 (1801) - Staier + Shelley II
Op. 70 (Craw 238) \ Piano Concerto No. 13 (1810) - Shelley I
Piano Concerto Craw 1 (lost)
Piano Concerto Craw D7 (dubious)
Piano Concerto Craw D8 (dubious) (Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Jan_Ladislav_Dussek))

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 04, 2020, 07:46:44 AM
Well, Brilliant has completed its 8-CD series recordings of all of Dussek's keyboard works on a variety of fortepianos using 8 different performers - I have bought 7 volumes - below is a listing of the of the fortepianists for those releases along w/ the instruments used; the first & seventh volumes are shown below; the third pic is the 8th in the series w/ Naruhiko Kawaguchi on fortepiano - may have to add that one too?  Dave :)

QuoteV. 1 - Bart van Oort - Longman Clementi (London, 1798-1799), restored in 2002.
V. 2 - Piet Kuijken - Longman Clementi (London, 1798) - same as used by Oort.
V. 3 - Alexei Lubimov - same fortepiano (FP) as previous volumes.
V. 4 - Tuija Hakkila - Anon. Viennese FP, ca. 1795-1800 restored & copy of Longman Clementi FP (London, 1798) made Chris Maene, 2003.
V. 5 - Wolfgang Brunner - an historic 1804 Broadwood piano.
V. 6 - Viviana Sofronitsky - copy of a Walter pianoforte, made by Paul McNulty.
V. 7 - Zvi Meniker - fortepiano, specifics not known.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71RaJCVV6KL._SL1000_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716jhOXvCEL._SL1200_.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bPzFpCzDL.jpg)

Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 04, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on February 04, 2020, 07:46:44 AM
Well, Brilliant has completed its 8-CD series recordings of all of Dussek's keyboard works on a variety of fortepianos using 8 different performers - I have bought 7 volumes - below is a listing of the of the fortepianists for those releases along w/ the instruments used; the first & seventh volumes are shown below; the third pic is the 8th in the series w/ Naruhiko Kawaguchi on fortepiano - may have to add that one too?  Dave :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71RaJCVV6KL._SL1000_.jpg)  (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716jhOXvCEL._SL1200_.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bPzFpCzDL.jpg)

Dave,
Yes, the Kawaguchi actually is the first disk of that series (I have the folder named 'Disk 0'). The 3 sonatas of Op 35 don't show up elsewhere, so if you want the complete set, that is your logical recourse. I got it at Amazon back in December pretty cheap. Overall, this is a really nice 8-disk set, glad I have it!  :)

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 04, 2020, 10:16:49 AM
BTW, those 2 Egarr/Nagasawa  disks are very tempting, thanks for pointing them out. Sophie (Corri) Dussek was a big player in Haydn's London Concerts, and eventually became one of his London publishers. I like her music, as did Haydn. She also wrote Scottish Songs...

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: JBS on February 04, 2020, 10:46:13 AM
Anyone know anything about this new recording? Or at least know anything about the performer?
The item page makes no mention of the instrument, so I am assuming it's a modern piano.
(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/naxos/large/5902547015781.jpg)
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 04, 2020, 06:24:57 PM
Quote from: JBS on February 04, 2020, 10:46:13 AM
Anyone know anything about this new recording? Or at least know anything about the performer?
The item page makes no mention of the instrument, so I am assuming it's a modern piano.
(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/naxos/large/5902547015781.jpg)

According to Presto:
QuoteMarek Toporowski (b.1964) is a Polish pianist, harpsichordist, organist and conductor. He is Head of the Department of Early Music at the Academy in Krakow. In 1985 he was the laureate of the First Polish Harpsichord Competition named after Wanda Landowska in Krakow.

Op 23 is not a sonata, per se.  Staier does it also on his disk of 2 concertos with Concerto Köln, where they call it a tableau. His version, probably more like the original, uses a narrator along with the piano. Toporowski apparently forgoes the narrator, as I can't find one in the listings...

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: JBS on February 04, 2020, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 04, 2020, 06:24:57 PM
According to Presto:
Op 23 is not a sonata, per se.  Staier does it also on his disk of 2 concertos with Concerto Köln, where they call it a tableau. His version, probably more like the original, uses a narrator along with the piano. Toporowski apparently forgoes the narrator, as I can't find one in the listings...

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Good...I generally don't like narration inserted into music.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 04, 2020, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 04, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Dave,
Yes, the Kawaguchi actually is the first disk of that series (I have the folder named 'Disk 0'). The 3 sonatas of Op 35 don't show up elsewhere, so if you want the complete set, that is your logical recourse. I got it at Amazon back in December pretty cheap. Overall, this is a really nice 8-disk set, glad I have it!  :)

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Hi Gurn - well, just look on the Brilliant website (https://www.brilliantclassics.com/catalogues/catalogue/), the 'V.0' Kawaguchi recording was released in 2015 - the ones labeled w/ volume numbers 1-7 came out in 2018-2019 - assume Brilliant was debating how to approach these Dussek Sonatas, but glad to have the set also - thanks.  Dave :)

P.S. just bought the MP3 from Amazon, burned to a CD-R and plays fine on my den stereo! 
Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 05, 2020, 07:05:08 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 04, 2020, 10:16:49 AM
BTW, those 2 Egarr/Nagasawa  disks are very tempting, thanks for pointing them out. Sophie (Corri) Dussek was a big player in Haydn's London Concerts, and eventually became one of his London publishers. I like her music, as did Haydn. She also wrote Scottish Songs...

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The 'harp duos' w/ Egarr & Nagasawa are excellent performances; the second release has the better sound, as discussed above but both are quite good.  As to solo harp, I put together a Spotify playlist w/ the two CDs below - very nice; yep, Jan & Sophie's marital relationship would be the basis for a modern 'soap opera' until he deserted her and his daughter.  ;D  Dave

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 05, 2020, 08:56:47 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on February 05, 2020, 07:05:08 AM
The 'harp duos' w/ Egarr & Nagasawa are excellent performances; the second release has the better sound, as discussed above but both are quite good.  As to solo harp, I put together a Spotify playlist w/ the two CDs below - very nice; yep, Jan & Sophie's marital relationship would be the basis for a modern 'soap opera' until he deserted her and his daughter.  ;D  Dave

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I suspect I'll pick up at least one of the disks of duos, maybe both if they can be had from BRO, for example. I'll do some research to get the dates the works were composed; I have been recreating some of the London Concerts, so I try to find music written between 1791-95. Dussek wrote quite a lot in that period. Whilst 1803 isn't much help to me, for obvious reasons. :D

Apparently all the harpists had their soap opera moments: Krumpholz and wife are another fine example. Apparently the harp does something to people!  ;)

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 05, 2020, 09:01:04 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on February 04, 2020, 07:11:57 PM
Hi Gurn - well, just look on the Brilliant website (https://www.brilliantclassics.com/catalogues/catalogue/), the 'V.0' Kawaguchi recording was released in 2015 - the ones labeled w/ volume numbers 1-7 came out in 2018-2019 - assume Brilliant was debating how to approach these Dussek Sonatas, but glad to have the set also - thanks.  Dave :)

P.S. just bought the MP3 from Amazon, burned to a CD-R and plays fine on my den stereo!

No, I didn't mean to imply that they were intended to be a set, but while trying to discover if I had all the disks in the current set, which I had no idea how many there were, I ran across that one on Brilliant's site, looked for Op 35 on my 7 current disks, and then decided they had unintentionally created this as Disk 1 in a sort of ex post facto kind of way. It would have been redundant to publish another disk of the same works when this one was still fresh! 

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on September 02, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
Earlier today, I left the post below in the 'Listening Thread' and is about to be 'buried' - reposted here for the information provided in the quote and the attachment - the 8-CD offering by Brilliant is excellent, all on fortepiano.  These recordings have been discussed recently in this thread, so if interested take a look.  Dave :)

QuoteDussek, Jan (1760-1812) - Piano Sonatas on fortepiano - Brilliant has released 7 volumes of these works + another un-numbered volume (first 3 volumes shown below + one w/ Kawaguchi) - these 8 CDs include about 28 keyboard sonatas and are pretty much complete when compared to Howard Craw's listing of Dussek's compositions HERE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Jan_Ladislav_Dussek); quoted below are the contents of each Brilliant disc along w/ the performer - in the attachment are a selection from Craw's list, there seem to be some discrepancies, e.g. Op. 9 & 10 in the Brilliant contents are listed by Craw as 'Piano and Violin' compositions, but according to the liner notes, Dussek wrote these mainly for his own solo performances; another discrepancy is Craw's Op. 14 w/ 3 works listed as 'Piano Sonatas' but not included in the Brilliant set - maybe another release, don't know?  Dave :)

QuoteJan Dussek (1760-1812) - Piano Sonatas on Fortepiano (Brilliant)
  Vol. 1 w/ Bart van Oort - Op. 10 (Nos. 1-3) & Op. 31 (No. 2)
  Vol. 2 w/ Alexei Lubimov - Op. 44 & Op. 77
  Vol. 3 w/ Piet Kuijken - Op. 25 (No. 2) & Op. 39 (Nos. 1-3)
  Vol. 4 w/ Tuija Hakkila - Op. 5 (No. 3), Op. 24, Op. 43, & Op. 61
  Vol. 5 w/ Wolfgang Brunner - Op. 18 (No. 2) & Op. 45 (Nos. 1-3)
  Vol. 6 w/ Viviana Sofronitsky - Op. 9 (Nos. 1-3) & Op. 75 (No. 3)
  Vol. 7 w/ Zvi Meniker - Op. 47 (Nos. 1,2) & Op. 64
  No Vol. w/ Naruhiko Kawaguchi - Op. 35 (Nos. 1-3) & Lecons

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 02, 2021, 08:05:02 AM
UPDATE on Brilliant's Dussek Project - below are pics of the other releases (V.4 to V.9) to complement my previous post; the Opus numbers are on the cover art - plus, attached is a list of the works included in this series from the Howard Craw catalog of 1964 (Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Jan_Ladislav_Dussek)).  Dave :)

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Title: Re: Jan Dussek - Piano Virtuoso & Composer!
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 02, 2021, 09:26:29 AM

Repost from the listening thread:

QuoteDussek, Jan (1760-1812) - Piano Sonatas w/ Maria Garzón on a modern instrument - these are both 3-CD sets, so 7+ hrs of music - I put together a Spotify playlist and listening at present on my den stereo. Now, I own the 10 Brilliant volumes of Dussek's piano works on fortepiano and enjoy tremendously; not sure that these performances will be added to my collection (looking online at the Heritage website and Presto, cost is $25 USD/set) - several reviews are attached, but better of course 'incomplete' piano versions exist, e.g. Markus Becker.  Also attached is a list of the pieces on the Brilliant discs from the Craw catalog - I've put an asterisk (*) at the ends of those that match what Garzón has recorded, nearly 30 or so.  Dave :)

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