Europe at War

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Todd

Quote from: (: premont :) on November 25, 2022, 10:30:15 AMSexism .. or not?

No.  It illustrates that there would be no appreciable difference between the sexes.  Women are neither more warlike nor less warlike than men.  When they lead great powers, they must work within the same systems, face the same institutional inertia, have the same policy options at their disposal, face the same political environment, and so on.  Relying on the great (wo)man theory of history to proclaim this or that individual leader will have monumental influence of the course of events and the actions of powerful states certainly has attractions, but in the modern nation state it is inaccurate.  It is debatable how accurate such an approach has ever been.

Of course, had you read the two sentences preceding your quote, that would have been obvious.
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Florestan

Quote from: (: premont :) on November 25, 2022, 10:30:15 AMSexism .. or not?


Rather historical realism.

Look, I have my own quarrels with Todd and I am in disagreement with him on lots of issues --- but in this respect he is spot on. I mean, guys, face it honestly: Madeleine Albright, Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton were at least as hawkish as Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell or George W. Bush, Jr. Compared to all of them, Trump was a sissy.

Instead of wishfully thinking that women would use great power in peaceful and non-violent ways, I wishfully think that great power be reduced to impotence, so that irrespective of the sex of any given leader, they be not able to wreak havoc even if they wanted to.

And this is going to be my last post on this specific issue.
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Madiel

An alternative view is that heterosexual men do all SORTS of weird things when faced with a woman. You seem to get terribly distracted.
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Quote from: Florestan on November 24, 2022, 10:59:05 AMYes it does: an old, unattractive lady (EU) stands among three sexy babes...  ;D

I cringe at all discussion of the attractiveness of women in power. But that post compels me to ask: by what shallow definition could Ursula van der Leyen possibly be deemed unattractive?

Herman


Madiel

Putin with his shirt off does nothing for me. Just saying.
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Florestan

Quote from: Madiel on November 25, 2022, 01:11:59 PMAn alternative view is that heterosexual men do all SORTS of weird things when faced with a woman. You seem to get terribly distracted.

This might explain why the two Greats, Alexander and Frederick, were so succesful in their military exploits: they didn't get distracted. But then again there is that other guy, Napoleon.  :)
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LKB

As far as I'm concerned, Ursula van der Leyen could get it.  >:D

Women in power are neither more nor less venal, greedy, devious or inspiring than men. The only significant difference l can think of would be the greater possibility of a male in power underestimating his female opponent. But that is a perceptual aspect, and not connected to any objective reality.
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Florestan

Quote from: LKB on November 26, 2022, 04:30:43 AMWomen in power are neither more nor less venal, greedy, devious or inspiring than men. The only significant difference l can think of would be the greater possibility of a male in power underestimating his female opponent.

Hah!  ;D
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Madiel

Reminds me of a great podcast episode I heard about a champion female poker player, and how part of her winning strategy was to work out what kind of men she was dealing with. Including those who didn't believe they were going to lose to a woman.
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Que

#4031
Russian troops are starting to die from the cold in their ditches and trenches:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/26/2138419/-Winter-begins-to-take-its-toll-on-Russia-s-army-in-Ukraine

Looks like the winter will be a strong ally to Ukraine....

Harry

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 02:03:56 AMRussian troops are starting to die from the cold in their ditches and trenches:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/26/2138419/-Winter-begins-to-take-its-toll-on-Russia-s-army-in-Ukraine

Looks like the winter will a strong ally to Ukraine....

I am truly shocked, it makes me really sad, unbelievably so.
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Que

Quote from: Harry on November 27, 2022, 04:34:55 AMI am truly shocked, it makes me really sad, unbelievably so.

It is rather shocking, and daytime temperatures are still above freezing point. Tens of thousands of troops will soon be exposed to much harsher conditions.

Some predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

Todd

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 04:51:15 AMSome predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

The Economist predicts 100,000+ European civilian deaths due to higher energy prices this winter.  That should be more shocking and saddening.

Keep fighting.  No negotiations.
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Herman

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 04:51:15 AMIt is rather shocking, and daytime temperatures are still above freezing point. Tens of thousands of troops will soon be exposed to much harsher conditions.

Some predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

Putin and the military leadership won't care. Lives are expendable.

JBS

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 04:51:15 AMIt is rather shocking, and daytime temperatures are still above freezing point. Tens of thousands of troops will soon be exposed to much harsher conditions.

Some predictions are that the winter will end many more Russian lives than Ukrainian bullets and shells. If so, this war could be over sooner than anyone expected.

So General Winter will be fighting against Russia. Another plot twist.

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drogulus

Quote from: JBS on November 27, 2022, 06:01:52 AMSo General Winter will be fighting against Russia. Another plot twist.

    Winter fought for Russia when the Russians could retreat hundreds of miles into their own territory. In Ukraine retreat more than a few miles is defeat.
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Que

Another twist... Is Russia finally running out of long range missiles?  ::)


"Russia is firing ageing cruise missiles stripped of their nuclear warheads at Ukrainian targets because Vladimir Putin's stocks are so depleted, the [British] Ministry of Defence has suggested.

An intelligence update from the British MoD on Saturday said the desperate improvisation by the Russian president's struggling forces are "unlikely to achieve reliable effects". The evidence cited is pictures of apparently shot down AS-15 Kent air-launched cruise missiles, which were said to have been designed in the 1980s as a nuclear delivery system.

The MoD said the nuclear warheads had probably been replaced with ballast, with the Kremlin's hope probably that the missiles will distract Ukrainian air defences. "Although such an inert system will still produce some damage through the missile's kinetic energy and any unspent fuel, it is unlikely to achieve reliable effects against intended targets," a statement said.

"Whatever Russia's intent, this improvisation highlights the level of depletion in Russia's stock of long-range missiles."

Todd

Quote from: Que on November 27, 2022, 09:18:28 AMAnother twist... Is Russia finally running out of long range missiles?  ::)

Maybe, but then Russia has been running out of equipment and men and has been barely able to prosecute the war since at least March.

Keep fighting.  No negotiations.
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