Kurt Atterberg (1887-1974)

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Albion

Quote from: Maestro267 on April 06, 2023, 11:32:52 AMContinued with my symphony run today with Nos. 3-5.

Brilliant, keep going! There's nothing worth watching on television anyway. I'm currently stuck on Schreker, Bax and Glazunov - quite randomly...

 ;D
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

Florestan

Quote from: Brian on April 06, 2023, 08:42:17 AMMany people who go to concerts fit that description. "Oh, I love Beethoven's Sixth, let's go!"

Incredible as it may seem, lots of people love Beethoven's music.

QuoteAnd there are many repertoire staples where I fit that description, too. The experience of seeing a work live is so much different from hearing it on recording that it is very frequently worth reacquainting yourself with a warhorse.

Good point.

Quote from: Brian on April 06, 2023, 08:42:17 AMBut many people at concerts here are those who don't necessarily listen to classical music day in, day out, or have a wide diet of music, and see going to the symphony as an elevated occasion. A social occasion or like a trip to the art gallery. This of course is the original mode of concertgoing from when public classical subscription concerts and operas began in the 1700s. For these people, a name like Beethoven's is a stamp of quality.

This, too.

The irony is that this type of concertgoer, not particularly attached to any composer, is probably more likely to go to an Atterberg concert than a Beethoven devotee whose musical horizon doesn't extend too far beyond 1827.



There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Florestan

Quote from: Albion on April 06, 2023, 08:57:08 AMhow much more do we really need either live or in recordings at the expense of an alternative symphony, concerto, overture, string quartet or piano sonata?

The live concerts are indeed problematic* but when it comes to recordings, there is no dearth of non-Beethoven (and generally non-canonical) symphonies, concertos, overtures, string quartets and piano sonatas. Actually, there are some recording companies that have done a splendid job in this respect.

*although given the financial aspect, maybe not so problematic after all. Orchestras worldwide, with few exceptions, are already struggling to survive financially; cutting one of their main source of revenues by putting a moratorium on Beethoven, Mozart and Brahms is not even an option. And anyway, I don't quite understand why promoting non-canonical quality should involve prohibiting canonical quality.
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

J

So given the opportunity to program an Atterberg Symphony with some major European or American Orchestra which one might grab an audience most readily?

I'd have to say either No.3 or No.6.

Maestro267

No. 6 has the whole Columbia competition story behind it so it's got marketing value there.

Concluding my cycle now with only my second listen to No. 9. It's not my favourite. I find it harder to follow than the other symphonies, largely because it's in one giant span, and the text is in a language I don't understand as well as other foreign languages I've heard in classical music more often.

Brian

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Quote from: J on April 07, 2023, 10:20:13 PMSo given the opportunity to program an Atterberg Symphony with some major European or American Orchestra which one might grab an audience most readily?

I'd have to say either No.3 or No.6.
This might be sacrilege but I have thought/mused about programming the finale of 3 by itself. On a "Summer Night" type program. Something like this:

Kodaly - Summer Night
Berlioz - Les nuits d'ete
(intermission)
Mendelssohn - A Midsummer Night's Dream overture
Atterberg - Summer Night from Symphony No. 3

Also, just found this interesting MusicWeb review of CPO's 3 and 6 coupling, by an author who had gotten the chance to meet and discuss the music with Atterberg himself, which offers additional insight:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2001/jan01/atterberg.htm

EDIT: Just finished reading that linked MW piece...wow, I had never, ever caught that big Schubert quote before! Time to listen to the symphony again!

vandermolen

Quote from: Maestro267 on April 08, 2023, 03:05:02 AMNo. 6 has the whole Columbia competition story behind it so it's got marketing value there.

Concluding my cycle now with only my second listen to No. 9. It's not my favourite. I find it harder to follow than the other symphonies, largely because it's in one giant span, and the text is in a language I don't understand as well as other foreign languages I've heard in classical music more often.
I hardly ever listen to No.9.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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J

Quote from: Brian on April 08, 2023, 10:44:37 AMThis might be sacrilege but I have thought/mused about programming the finale of 3 by itself. On a "Summer Night" type program. Something like this:

Kodaly - Summer Night
Berlioz - Les nuits d'ete
(intermission)
Mendelssohn - A Midsummer Night's Dream overture
Atterberg - Summer Night from Symphony No. 3

Also, just found this interesting MusicWeb review of CPO's 3 and 6 coupling, by an author who had gotten the chance to meet and discuss the music with Atterberg himself, which offers additional insight:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2001/jan01/atterberg.htm

EDIT: Just finished reading that linked MW piece...wow, I had never, ever caught that big Schubert quote before! Time to listen to the symphony again!
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2023, 11:15:27 AMI hardly ever listen to No.9.

Nor I, - but would still very much like to hear Atterberg's Requiem.  Has it likely been looked over by CPO and/or Chandos and deemed unworthy of a recording?

Maestro267

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I was first made aware of that whole Schubert competition by Franz Schmidt's 3rd Symphony, another entrant (and regional winner I think?) in said competition. Interestingly, the runner-up of the England region was...the orchestral Part One of Havergal Brian's Symphony No. 1.

Symphonic Addict

CPO did it again! I thought the releases featuring Atterbeg were over, but fortunately I was wrong. Looking forward to this new release! Supposedly it'll be issued the next month.
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Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on May 24, 2023, 09:32:07 PMCPO did it again! I thought the releases featuring Atterbeg were over, but fortunately I was wrong. Looking forward to this new release! Supposedly it'll be issued the next month.
Great to see you're back, Cesar!
I haven't listened to this particular opera by Atterberg, I'll check it out.
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." - Gustav Mahler

Brian

Wow, that looks cool!

relm1

Oh you just know that's going to be good.  Instabuy.

Symphonic Addict

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on May 24, 2023, 11:31:51 PMGreat to see you're back, Cesar!
I haven't listened to this particular opera by Atterberg, I'll check it out.

Thanks, Ilaria! Yes, this is definitely a must-listen for me as well.
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Noam Chomsky

kyjo

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on May 24, 2023, 09:32:07 PMCPO did it again! I thought the releases featuring Atterbeg were over, but fortunately I was wrong. Looking forward to this new release! Supposedly it'll be issued the next month.

Wonderful news! I was beginning to wonder how long it would be before we'd hear any of his operas. Considering what a great melodic gift Atterberg had, I would suppose his vocal writing would be quite beautiful!
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

relm1

Quote from: kyjo on May 25, 2023, 07:39:53 PMWonderful news! I was beginning to wonder how long it would be before we'd hear any of his operas. Considering what a great melodic gift Atterberg had, I would suppose his vocal writing would be quite beautiful!

I heard one of the operas on youtube, can't remember which one it was but it didn't disappoint.  It was exactly what you'd want from this composer.  Lyrical, evocative, imaginative, and finely crafted. 

Symphonic Addict

Was reading on Wikipedia that Atterberg composed a Requiem for soloists, chorus and orchestra, op. 8 (1914), among other enticing compositions: choral works (Järnbäraland, op. 16; Das Lied, op. 25; Sångens land, op. 32); incidental music (Der Sturm, op. 18; Turandot; Antonius und Kleopatra); ballets (Per Svinaherde, op. 9; De fåvitska jungfrurna, op. 17). There must be some stunning music on all or most of those works, so CPO, Capriccio, Chandos, BIS, Hänssler: go to the rescue!
Part of the tragedy of the Palestinians is that they have essentially no international support for a good reason: they've no wealth, they've no power, so they've no rights.

Noam Chomsky

Scion7

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 07, 2023, 05:46:56 PMWas reading on Wikipedia ...

Yes, from the first half of his career, mostly:


Requiem, op.8, solo vv, chorus, orch, 1914;
Järnbäraland, op.16, solo vv, chorus, orch, 1919;
Sången, op.25, solo vv, chorus ad lib, orch, 1925;
Sångens land, op.32, solo vv, chorus ad lib, orch, 1928


When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

Scion7

When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

J

A mesmerizing YouTube performance of probably Atterberg's most gorgeous creation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9_jouKfyb8