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Title: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: MN Dave on February 01, 2010, 06:27:24 AM
I have read recently about Mahler and Shostakovich writing "nervous" music, and I can hear that it's true; these dudes had some issues. Is it part of their appeal?

Which other composers were a bundle of neuroses?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Franco on February 01, 2010, 06:34:56 AM
Quote from: Beethovenian on February 01, 2010, 06:27:24 AM
I have read recently about Mahler and Shostakovich writing "nervous" music, and I can hear that it's true; these dudes had some issues. Is it part of their appeal?

Which other composers were a bundle of neuroses?

Why do you want to know?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: MN Dave on February 01, 2010, 06:37:15 AM
Quote from: Franco on February 01, 2010, 06:34:56 AM
Why do you want to know?

Why do you get out of bed in the morning?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: springrite on February 01, 2010, 06:38:42 AM
Quote from: Beethovenian on February 01, 2010, 06:37:15 AM
Why do you get out of bed in the morning?

Because I get nervous in my dreams.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Franco on February 01, 2010, 06:42:47 AM
Quote from: Beethovenian on February 01, 2010, 06:37:15 AM
Why do you get out of bed in the morning?

Why do you answer a question with a question?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: MN Dave on February 01, 2010, 06:43:40 AM
Quote from: Franco on February 01, 2010, 06:42:47 AM
Why do you answer a question with a question?

Because you did?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: karlhenning on February 01, 2010, 06:45:26 AM
My Nervous Dreams
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Franco on February 01, 2010, 06:47:53 AM
Quote from: Beethovenian on February 01, 2010, 06:43:40 AM
Because you did?

No, I didn't?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: greg on February 02, 2010, 02:59:54 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 01, 2010, 06:45:26 AM
My Nervous Dreams
Is that a new Henning title...?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Elgarian on February 03, 2010, 12:15:46 AM
Quote from: Franco on February 01, 2010, 06:47:53 AM
No, I didn't?

Is this a question merely because it ends with a question mark? Or is it a statement pretending to be a question? Or is it a question pretending to be a statement? And does the thrill of contemplating of such matters explain why I get out of bed in the morning? And if I were a composer, would I compose nervous music?
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: DavidW on February 03, 2010, 04:03:24 AM
Quote from: Beethovenian on February 01, 2010, 06:27:24 AM
I have read recently about Mahler and Shostakovich writing "nervous" music, and I can hear that it's true; these dudes had some issues. Is it part of their appeal?

Which other composers were a bundle of neuroses?

Smetana's String Quartet No. 2 is very nervous.  It switches between periods of agitation and joy like a bipolar episode.  I read that he was going deaf at the time, and it was his musical description of his state of mind.  I think that's true.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers __ Shostakovich
Post by: Scion7 on September 06, 2015, 06:36:49 AM
You'd be nervous, too, once Stalin's regime had taken an "interest" in you.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Dax on September 06, 2015, 09:37:21 AM
QuoteMilford had a sad life. Although being of a highly sensitive and nervous nature he volunteered for the army as soon as the Second World War broke out (unlike Britten, who cleared off to America) where he was bullied and suffered a nervous breakdown and had to be invalided out. Then, his only child Barnaby was killed in a road traffic accident in 1941. Finally, after the deaths of his friends, Finzi and Vaughan Williams he committed suicide in 1959

Thanks to Vandermolen on the Milford thread
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Christo on September 06, 2015, 10:47:01 AM
What about Tchaikovsky? I love his music - but his biography, as I recall it, contains more stressed and nervous pages than any other composer's.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: calyptorhynchus on September 06, 2015, 04:22:09 PM
I listened recently to the symphonies and string quartets of Alan Rawsthorne. Whilst not nervous, I found these pieces some of the angriest and most frustrated music I have ever heard. He had some issues...
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2015, 04:41:30 PM
I always get the a nervous feeling whenever I listen to Schoenberg, but not so much where I'm trembling, but the kind of unease his music creates. Now this man had some issues. I get a similar feeling from Webern, but in a completely different way. Almost as if you're going into an exotic jungle kind of feeling. Never knowing what to expect.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 06, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: Franco on February 01, 2010, 06:47:53 AM
No, I didn't?

"No, i didn't" would be a great title. Sounds like Monk.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2015, 06:11:47 PM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 06, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
"No, i didn't" would be a great title. Sounds like Monk.

Yes, it should be played right after "Well You Needn't". ;)
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: springrite on September 06, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
Any of John's favourite composers are nervous composers because John may drop them at any moment without notice.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
Quote from: springrite on September 06, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
Any of John's favourite composers are nervous composers because John may drop them at any moment without notice.

:P Oh, Paul! ;D
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: ibanezmonster on September 06, 2015, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: springrite on September 06, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
Any of John's favourite composers are nervous composers because John may drop them at any moment without notice.
LOL!
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: vandermolen on September 06, 2015, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Dax on September 06, 2015, 09:37:21 AM
Thanks to Vandermolen on the Milford thread

His friend Finzi was another one. I think that he repeated the same year at school for either three or four years with deliberately feigned fainting fits. According to himself he was saved from breakdown by his marriage.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: vandermolen on September 06, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: Christo on September 06, 2015, 10:47:01 AM
What about Tchaikovsky? I love his music - but his biography, as I recall it, contains more stressed and nervous pages than any other composer's.

Yes, he came very much to mind. First movement of 'Pathetique' Symphony in particular.
Title: Re: "Nervous" Composers
Post by: snyprrr on September 09, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Aperghis


Denisov