I'm not the biggest Reinecke fan in the world, which is odd considering how much of his music I have. I guess I keep coming back because I mildly like a lot of it, and I kept hoping for something to really grab me. I started with the Undine Sonata (for flute and piano), which seems to be his most popular work... I just didn't really like it that much. I didn't dislike it either. That ended up being something I felt for other things of his, like the Flute Concerto, a serenade for strings, some chamber music.
I like all three of his symphonies. I like the harp concerto quite a bit. I really like the Piano Concerto #3. Up until a couple of weeks ago, it was far and away my favourite work of Reinecke's. But I'm making this thread since a new cpo CD came out recently with his Violin Concerto in G minor, Op.141. I think it's his second Violin Concerto, but not sure what happened to the first. As far as I know, this is the first CD to come out with either of them on it. Finally, Reinecke blew me away. I love this thing. Based on my Internet hunting, it looks like a lot of non-Reinecke fans are won over by this piece.
Anyway, maybe Reinecke deserves a fresh chance, and a fresh thread. Sorry if I'm not supposed to create such one, please delete it if this is inappropriate.
Quote from: JoshLilly on May 18, 2007, 11:39:38 AM
Anyway, maybe Reinecke deserves a fresh chance, and a fresh thread. Sorry if I'm not supposed to create such one, please delete it if this is inappropriate.
You are
encouraged to create threads on whatever topic(s) interest you, and this is certainly appropriate! :D
--Bruce
I'm not familiar with this composer but a 'harp concerto' certainly sounds interesting. Is there any 'definitive' recording(s)?
Unfortunately, I only know of one. Luckily, it's on Naxos, so the price isn't a killer! You can check out some 1 minute sound samples: http://tinyurl.com/yrxqw6
Quote from: JoshLilly on May 18, 2007, 11:39:38 AM
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Anyway, maybe Reinecke deserves a fresh chance, and a fresh thread. Sorry if I'm not supposed to create such one, please delete it if this is inappropriate.
Josh - I'm not sure if you're trying to start a
Reinecke thread or to discourage one? ::) But for those who may be interested in this composer, check out this SHORT THREAD (http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,13392.0.html) in the old forum (actually started by me! :o) - appears that
Harry & I were the only contributors; but there are pics of a half dozen or so CDs of this composer's work;
Harry did not seem to like the Naxos disc, but this might be worth further posting!
There are a few works by Reinecke that a lot more people might enjoy, if they were familiar with them: Piano Concerto #3, Violin Concerto in G minor, Symphonies 2&3. The 2nd and 3rd symphonies are on a great disc from the Chandos label, with Howard Shelley conducting the Tasmanian Symphony Orchestra. I'd never heard that orchestra before, but they do a great job here, and as always, Chandos has excellent sound quality. As for the symphonies themselves, I revisted them recently after my wonderful experience with the G minor Violin Concerto. I really like them both, more than I remembered. I used to hear the first movement of the 3rd symphony in my head, and couldn't remember what it was! It's always a relief when you finally hear that piece that you couldn't place. Both of them have very attractive themes and nice emotional impact.
On that Naxos CD, I was lured by price and that I wanted that Harp Concerto. I've found a couple of other recordings of it, but never heard them. I wasn't that disappointed with it, but then, I have nothing with which to compare it. Which of the others is best?
I know what you mean.
A sort of Mendelssohn composed by Brahms or is it Brahms composed by Mendelssohn.
His works wend there sweet way along to there affable endings and always sounds like the composer looks.
I'm not knocking him, just a tad puzzled but I will persevere as better men than me, Gunga Din, seem to "rate" him.
A piano roll made by Reinecke of Beethoven's Ecossaise in E-Flat. It's interesting that Reinecke was already about 3 years old before Beethoven even died. I doubt there is any other recording of any sort of Beethoven music made by someone who was alive while Beethoven was. Also, keep in mind that Reinecke was past 80 when he made this!
http://www.reinfrank.plus.com/music/ecossaise.mp3
Over the past year, I've grown somewhat obsessed with Reinecke. I'd have to say he's among my favourite composers these days.
Reinecke is a very good composer, and the Chandos cd with the symphonies is on its way to me!
Thanks for reminding me.
I had it before but lost if during a internal re shifting of my boxes. ;D
Quote from: Harry on April 25, 2008, 12:27:35 PM
I had it before but lost if during a internal re shifting of my boxes. ;D
Did that hurt, Harry?
The Flute concerto didn't really grab me either, but he's certainly a figure to return to.
Quote from: MN Brahms on April 25, 2008, 12:29:51 PM
Did that hurt, Harry?
The theme of disappearing CDs is interesting; I've had a few CDs probably misplaced in the wrong box, never to be seen again. I always hope for them to unexpectedly pop up when I open an album, but no....my collection is too large.
The one argument for ripping to hard disc I think.
Of the handful of pieces by Reinecke I have heard, the most interesting for me are the trios with winds and piano: oboe, horn, piano and clarinet, horn, piano. There is another one for the "Kegelstatt" ensemble clarinet, viola, piano that is also good but a not quite as colorful and varied. I'll probably try the symphonies on Chandos at some stage.
Reinecke TTT! Thread started in 2007, last post in 2017, and only a page long - possible rejuvenation?
Carl Reinecke was a long-lived German pianist, composer, conductor, and pedagogue - short bio below w/ some of his 'famous' students listed. He composed in nearly all genres and was quite prolific w/ 288 Opus numbers (and well over a 100 works w/o an opus #) - see his German website (http://www.carl-reinecke.de/opus/seinewerke.html) for a complete listing (first page shown at bottom). He is representative of 19th century romantic composing - if Schumann, Mendelssohn, and Brahms are some of your favorites from that era, then Reinecke should please, although many would of course put him as 'second tier' - he might have been more highly rated by some if he did not live as long and composed in the same manner as a half or so century earlier?
My collection of his works is small, just 8 discs w/ a mixture of orchestral and chamber works - the first three up for a listen this morning shown below - all quite nice w/ good reviews (attached). So, hope that others 'chime in' with their thoughts, comments, and any recommendations. Dave :)
QuoteCarl Reinecke (1824 - 1910), German pianist, composer, conductor, and teacher who sought, in his works and teaching, to preserve the Classical tradition in the late 19th century. After study with his father, Reinecke made several concert tours. He taught counterpoint and piano at the Cologne Conservatory (1851–54) and was music director first at Barmen (1854–59), then at Breslau University (1859–60). He held the important posts of conductor of Leipzig's Gewandhaus Orchestra (1860–95) and teacher of piano and composition at the Leipzig Conservatory from 1860, while he continued to make annual concert tours. He became the Conservatory's director in 1897. He was one of the most influential musicians of his time, counting among his students Edvard Grieg, Hugo Riemann, Arthur Sullivan, and Felix Weingartner. He wrote works for orchestra (symphonies, overtures, concertos), piano, and voice, as well as chamber music and works for the stage. (Source (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Carl-Reinecke))
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Well, let me continue - I've been listening to Reinecke most of the day - below on top are the CDs remaining in my collection, i.e. Piano Concertos on 2-discs, Symphonies 2/3, and two chamber work CDs - reviews of most of these recordings attached for those interested. My 'listening' conclusion today is that I enjoy his chamber works more (but that's my usual preference); also decided to order two more discs (at the bottom) of Symphony No. 1/Violin Concerto and the String Quartets on 2-discs, both received excellent reviews (not attached - will if requested). Dave :)
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That set of piano concerti from CPO is what is playing here now, specifically the PC. 3. Sheer invention and poetry I mean, if you love Mendelssohn, Schumann, Beethoven, Schubert, you'll enjoy this.
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I think I have heard the first symphony and maybe a piano concerto but don't remember any of it.
I like the chamber music with woodwinds, though, my favorite by some margin being the trio for oboe, horn, piano in a minor op.188 that seems the most atmospheric (and although I usually prefer clarinet, the most interesting in the combination of instruments/sounds compared to his two trios with clarinet).
He's not one of those indispensable composers IMO, but he did write many interesting pieces in a well-crafted and traditional idiom. The PCs 3 and 4, the Concertos for Violin, Cello, Harp and Flute respectively, and Symphonies 2 and 3 contain some of his best music too. This is a composer I like to revisit with certain frequency.
His Violin Concerto is an impressive, serious, and inspired work that doesn't rely on soloistic pyrotechnics like most other Romantic VCs do. Also well worth hearing is his gorgeous Harp Concerto. I have pretty good memories of the PC no. 3; don't know any of his symphonies or chamber music yet.
Well, seems to be some interest lately in this short thread - since posting last, my Reinecke collection has gone up to 14 discs w/ the 3 shown below of Clarinet Music & Piano Trios (2-CDs) (updated database @ bottom - click to enlarge) - some reviews and comments attached for the new additions, for those interested.
Today will peruse Amazon and my 'across the pond' sites to see if I want any more of Carl's music - he compose nearly 300 Opus numbered works so there must be some more of interest, e.g. solo piano - any comments, suggestions, and/or recommendations? Dave :)
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A much-loved Brahmsian-circle composer ... don't look for him for 20th century experimentation - just solid craftmanship. I was quite chuffed to find this one still in the shrink-wrap around 1973 or so ... and the Vanguard surface was surprisingly quiet. I find it superior to Galway's take on this concerto. A Romantic, civilized piece from the German composer, completely unaware (in 1908) that Europe was about to be torn apart.
I am really enjoying his string quartets on CPO, as well as the Piano Concerto No.1 (CPO), can't wait to hear more! His music and time period is very interesting to me and I love to explore composers from this era.
If you thought the Piano Concerto No. 1 was good, you'll probably love the Piano Concertos 3 and 4 much more, let alone his other concertos (for cello, violin, harp and flute, respectively).
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 22, 2022, 11:08:57 AMIf you thought the Piano Concerto No. 1 was good, you'll probably love the Piano Concertos 3 and 4 much more, let alone his other concertos (for cello, violin, harp and flute, respectively).
Wow, the No.2 and No.3 are fantastic! Just my cup of tea. I now have the Piano Trios, Harp and Flute Concertos, and Violin Concerto next to listen to.
Has anyone heard the serenade for string orchestra? I have an opportunity to see it live at a concert in Dallas in February. (It is paired with the Elgar Introduction and Allegro and Vaughan Williams "Dives and Lazarus").
Quote from: Leo K. on November 23, 2022, 06:51:36 AMWow, the No.2 and No.3 are fantastic! Just my cup of tea. I now have the Piano Trios, Harp and Flute Concertos, and Violin Concerto next to listen to.
Very good, enjoy the works. I have yet to give the piano trios a listen.
Quote from: Brian on November 23, 2022, 11:17:51 AMHas anyone heard the serenade for string orchestra?
Yes, a nice piece. You can find it on YT. I have the CPO and Brilliant Classics recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=REINECKE+-+Serenade+for+strings-Rzeszow+Philharmonic+Orchestra
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 22, 2022, 11:08:57 AMIf you thought the Piano Concerto No. 1 was good, you'll probably love the Piano Concertos 3 and 4 much more, let alone his other concertos (for cello, violin, harp and flute, respectively).
The Cello Concerto has the most wonderful opening (a surprisingly
exotic main theme!) but I recall the work became less interesting as it progressed. Then again, the only available recording is far from ideal. The violin and harp concerti are outstanding, and I have fond memories of his PC no. 3. His symphonies have not impressed me, tbh.
The more I listen to his works, whether it be chamber or orchestra, the melodies really reveal themselves. He really does bring on the tunes at times.
What do you think about the first piano concerto?
Klaus Hellwig, piano
Nordwestdeutsche Philharmonie conducted by Alun Francis
Quote from: W.A. Mozart on May 17, 2023, 06:58:41 AMWhat do you think about the first piano concerto?
Klaus Hellwig, piano
Nordwestdeutsche Philharmonie conducted by Alun Francis
Hello again -
Carl Reinecke obviously is not getting much mileage in his thread (only 2 pages since 2007!), but I own about 14 CDs and enjoy much of his music, esp. the chamber works. As to the
Piano Concerto No. 1, comments have been made by several posters already, so take a look. However, I decided to put my CPO disc of the work on for a listen and am enjoying - attached are a few reviews that I could find w/ a rather scathing attack by the Fanfare reviewer (Leslie Gerber) - but quoted below are David Johnson's comments on
Piano Concs. 1/2 from another
Reinecke review - I'd have to agree w/ him concerning the quality of the works (also, well liked w/ some decent reviews on Amazon). SO, add your thoughts to the thread and maybe it will go to 3 pages! ;D Dave
Quote"I have already expressed my admiration of the two Reinecke piano concertos. Listening to them again—and I have re-listened to them often since acquiring them in 1973—I am more convinced than ever that they are the best of this composer's works yet to appear on recordings, better even than the delightful flute concerto, which has been recorded by half a dozen different performers. Both works are slightly under half an hour in length, they are rich in melodic invention and variety, beautifully scored (the use of solo strings is more prominently highlighted in the CD version), and they never outstay their welcome." David Johnson, Fanfare - comments on another performance
Quote from: SonicMan46 on May 17, 2023, 10:56:07 AMHello again - Carl Reinecke obviously is not getting much mileage in his thread (only 2 pages since 2007!), but I own about 14 CDs and enjoy much of his music, esp. the chamber works. As to the Piano Concerto No. 1, comments have been made by several posters already, so take a look. However, I decided to put my CPO disc of the work on for a listen and am enjoying - attached are a few reviews that I could find w/ a rather scathing attack by the Fanfare reviewer (Leslie Gerber) - but quoted below are David Johnson's comments on Piano Concs. 1/2 from another Reinecke review - I'd have to agree w/ him concerning the quality of the works (also, well liked w/ some decent reviews on Amazon). SO, add your thoughts to the thread and maybe it will go to 3 pages! ;D Dave
Yes, I agree: very nice!
Reinecke's First Piano Concerto is a musical gem that offers a glimpse into the world of Brahms' contemporaries. This composition showcases Reinecke's distinctive voice as a composer and demonstrates his mastery of the Romantic era.
The concerto (indeed all his piano concertos) skillfully weave together rich harmonies, memorable but thoughtfully constructed themes, and intricate orchestration, in his own modest way. His concertos reveal his artistry, shedding light on a lesser-known composer who deserves appreciation for his contribution to the musical landscape of the time.
For me, one of the intriguing aspects of Reinecke's First Piano Concerto (or even his works in general) is its historical context. As a slightly older contemporary of Brahms, Reinecke shares the musical influences of the time.