Paul Juon (1872-1940)

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André


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I think that you're referring to this recording, Kyle:



And you're completely spot on. A simply delightful, deep, witty and tuneful piece of music. Andréi, it's a must hear!  ;) ;D
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André

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The YT link has the score as visual background and it does state: op 27. OTOH the caption right underneath says op. 27a. Could the Kammersinfonie be the Octet ? Or a different version/instrumentarium ?

Edit: the back cover of the Musiques suisses CD lists 8 performers, so it would seem the two titles refer to the same work  :)

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Exactly, André. Moreover, Wikipedia lists a Kammersinfonie B-Dur for string orchestra, oboe, clarinet, horn, bassoon and piano   after the Octet (1905). Interesting combinations of forces for each of the three versions.
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kyjo

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 26, 2022, 03:17:21 PM
I think that you're referring to this recording, Kyle:



And you're completely spot on. A simply delightful, deep, witty and tuneful piece of music. Andréi, it's a must hear!  ;) ;D

Yeah, it appears that the Octet and the Kammersinfonie are one in the same!
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This CD contains two extraordinary works! Craftsmanship, good tunes, drama, poetry, etc. are elements that run through this music. Both the Piano Sextet in C minor (Piano+'Cello' Quintet) and the Piano Quintet in F major stand among the finest pieces in chamber repertoire IMO.
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kyjo

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 07, 2022, 06:19:33 PM


This CD contains two extraordinary works! Craftsmanship, good tunes, drama, poetry, etc. are elements that run through this music. Both the Piano Sextet in C minor (Piano+'Cello' Quintet) and the Piano Quintet in F major stand among the finest pieces in chamber repertoire IMO.

Absolutely, Cesar! Recently I listened to this disc for the first time:



While I wouldn't place these two works on par with his chamber music in terms of individuality and memorability, I enjoyed them more than the Rhapsodische Sinfonie and Sinfonietta capricciosa on that CPO disc. Vaegtervise is a colorful fantasy on Danish folk songs with some effective use of the chimes, and the Symphony showcases both the German and Russian influences on Juon's music. The first movement (Come Passacaglia) carries some expected Brahmsian echoes, and the scherzo and finale contain the unmistakable Russian stamp of Kalinnikov, Glazunov, and Tchaikovsky. The Moscow SO sound quite a bit more inspired here than they did under a certain other conductor... ;)
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Quote from: kyjo on March 07, 2022, 07:16:05 PM
Absolutely, Cesar! Recently I listened to this disc for the first time:



While I wouldn't place these two works on par with his chamber music in terms of individuality and memorability, I enjoyed them more than the Rhapsodische Sinfonie and Sinfonietta capricciosa on that CPO disc. Vaegtervise is a colorful fantasy on Danish folk songs with some effective use of the chimes, and the Symphony showcases both the German and Russian influences on Juon's music. The first movement (Come Passacaglia) carries some expected Brahmsian echoes, and the scherzo and finale contain the unmistakable Russian stamp of Kalinnikov, Glazunov, and Tchaikovsky. The Moscow SO sound quite a bit more inspired here than they did under a certain other conductor... ;)

Good to know you're enjoying this Sterling releases. I concur with what you say here. There seems to be German craftsmanship and counterpoint, whilst, on the another hand, the Russian-folksy element to the music is present as well. I read elsewhere Rachmaninov though of him like "the Russian Brahms". Along with Taneyev, I could agree with both associations.
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The more I listen to this composer's music, the more I'm convinced by his talent. I was listening to his Episodes Concertants, a concerto for piano trio and orchestra, and quite an interesting piece it is. It is 38 minutes long where the music seems to oscillate between Romanticism a la Rachmaninov and a sort of slight Neoclassical language. I don't know how to put that into words better, but the final impression is that of a work with substance.
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I still continue discovering interesting works by this composer. This CD contains music for two violins and piano, and it's a whole joy; little pieces with variegated moods (even folksy at times) full of spark. From the charming Idyll (Silhouettes I) that opens the program one knows that the music is going to be attractive, and effectively it is.

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Toccata has made some very fine recordings, but this is not one of them I'm afraid, not to mention the performances themselves. I didn't feel the viola sonatas weren't well interpreted (ditto the Romanza for viola and piano), I'm sure they can sound better in the right hands. On the other hand, the Silhouettes for violin viola and piano and the Trio-Miniaturen (for the same forces) managed to captivate me much better. They saved the CD IMO.

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W.A. Mozart

The Violin Concerto No. 2 of Paul Join. Do you like it? Write everything you want about it.

Sybille Tschopp, violin
Stadtorchester Winterthur conducted by Nicholas Carthey


Brian

I feel like you are trying to stump us now by posting less and less famous music  ;D

I have never heard the concertos but enjoy the chamber music with violin, like that "Musiques Suisses" album Symphonic Addict posted above. The Silhouettes are very charming.

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Quote from: Brian on May 30, 2023, 04:13:22 PMI feel like you are trying to stump us now by posting less and less famous music  ;D

Well, I hope that at least sometimes I'm able to post works that not all people know, so that they know new works.

That said, that's a nice violin concerto, so I recommend it.

kyjo

Quote from: W.A. Mozart on May 30, 2023, 08:24:34 AMThe Violin Concerto No. 2 of Paul Join. Do you like it? Write everything you want about it.

Sybille Tschopp, violin
Stadtorchester Winterthur conducted by Nicholas Carthey



I haven't heard it yet; will give it a spin later. That said, thus far I've noticed a rather significant gap in quality between Juon's magnificent chamber output and his orchestral works. In particular, I found the CPO disc containing his overlong Rhapsodische Sinfonie to be quite a disappointment (the accompanying Sinfonietta capricciosa is a bit better, but still nothing too special).
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I disagree regarding his orchestral works. The early symphonies, Vaegtervise, the Sinfonietta capricciosa, contain material enough to hold the attention, the same goes to Episodes concertants for piano trio and orchestra. I haven't heard the violin concertos either, but I'll do soon.
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kyjo

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on May 31, 2023, 05:02:21 PMI disagree regarding his orchestral works. The early symphonies, Vaegtervise, the Sinfonietta capricciosa, contain material enough to hold the attention, the same goes to Episodes concertants for piano trio and orchestra. I haven't heard the violin concertos either, but I'll do soon.

I do recall Vaegtervise being a fine work. I shouldn't let my negative experience with the Rhapsodische Sinfonie color my impression of the rest of Juon's orchestral output!
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Quote from: W.A. Mozart on May 30, 2023, 08:24:34 AMThe Violin Concerto No. 2 of Paul Join. Do you like it? Write everything you want about it.

Sybille Tschopp, violin
Stadtorchester Winterthur conducted by Nicholas Carthey



Yesterday I heard his first two violin concertos. The 1st one in B minor turned out to be the greater and more memorable work, whilst the 2nd one in D minor sounded more diffuse to my ears. The 3rd mov. was the highlight of that work.
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