Bach on the piano

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Mandryka

Quote from: AnotherSpin on October 07, 2023, 09:18:03 PMOlafsson's mostly positive reception is due to the fact that his recording is very contemporary. The brave new world welcomes and endorses its performers.

How is it contemporary? If you just mean that it has only just been released, he's not the only one. Search on Presto and sort for release date.

If you mean that there's something in his interpretation which makes it a reflection of the current zeitgeist - an ephemeral, accessible commodity - then maybe you're onto something.
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AnotherSpin

Quote from: Mandryka on October 07, 2023, 11:53:20 PMHow is it contemporary? If you just mean that it has only just been released, he's not the only one. Search on Presto and sort for release date.

If you mean that there's something in his interpretation which makes it a reflection of the current zeitgeist - an ephemeral, accessible commodity - then maybe you're onto something.

The second.

Florestan

Actually, where are all those completely positive, glowing reviews? The ones I found offer qualified appraisal and unqualified criticism.
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Florestan

Quote from: AnotherSpin on October 07, 2023, 09:18:03 PMOlafsson's mostly positive reception is due to the fact that his recording is very contemporary. The brave new world welcomes and endorses its performers.

Quote from: Mandryka on October 07, 2023, 11:53:20 PMIf you mean that there's something in his interpretation which makes it a reflection of the current zeitgeist - an ephemeral, accessible commodity - then maybe you're onto something.

Are you serious, guys? So much philosophical and existential fuss about what is a simple matter of "if you like it, fine, if you don't like it, just as fine".  ;D


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AnotherSpin

Quote from: Florestan on October 08, 2023, 02:04:33 AMAre you serious, guys? So much philosophical and existential fuss about what is a simple matter of "if you like it, fine, if you don't like it, just as fine".  ;D


Some people like things, others are interested in understanding why they like it. Both angles are normal, no need to worry.

Florestan

Quote from: milk on October 07, 2023, 04:34:27 PMdefine romanticism in piano.

In fast movements, durchaus mit Empfindung und Ausdruck; in slow movements, cantabile con espressione. Sempre legato. Well-judged and well executed rubato. Judicious dynamic contrasts. Always a beautiful sound (this one is fundamental).

My two cents anyway, based on Rachmaninoff's recordings of Schumann, Chopin and his own music.
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milk

Quote from: Florestan on October 10, 2023, 06:13:45 AMIn fast movements, durchaus mit Empfindung und Ausdruck; in slow movements, cantabile con espressione. Sempre legato. Well-judged and well executed rubato. Judicious dynamic contrasts. Always a beautiful sound (this one is fundamental).

My two cents anyway, based on Rachmaninoff's recordings of Schumann, Chopin and his own music.

I wonder about Sempre legato and Bach. I'm not a musician, let alone a keyboardist. I would definitely question whether Olafsson finds canticle in slower movements, especially compared to Tipo and Lang Lang (just the two I was comparing recently). Olafsson does like Legato maybe? He's breakneck and legato.

JBS

Just gave a first listen to the Vikingur CD. I'll post here what I posted on the main Listening thread:
First impression: very good, straightforward, neither over-romanticized nor over-baroqued.
Reminds me of Angela Hewitt.


I can add that I could easily have done without the moody/artsy photos of the pianist posing among the basalts and beaches of the Icelandic coast, but that can be easily avoided by not opening the booklet (the one in this image is the best of the lot).




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Mandryka



Listening  to the prelude of the 6th suite, and I think you can hear pre-echoes Rubsam's lute harpsichord style very clearly.
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prémont

Quote from: Mandryka on October 28, 2023, 05:06:42 AMListening  to the prelude of the 6th suite, and I think you can hear pre-echoes Rubsam's lute harpsichord style very clearly.

This makes good sense. I haven't made A/B tests, but when I do I shall include the recording of the English suites he made for Beyer Records a few years before the recording for Naxos. I seem to recall that I found it a little more "strict" than the Naxos recording.
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Quote from: JBS on October 10, 2023, 07:12:11 PM... I could easily have done without the moody/artsy photos of the pianist posing among the basalts and beaches of the Icelandic coast
Bloody hell.  ::)  However, this sort of pretentious bullocks has become widespread with classical music releases in recent years - album covers, even interviews with artists who seem to think they are a Van Cliburn, but their mettle is so much less.
When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

Mandryka

Quote from: premont on October 28, 2023, 06:40:53 AMThis makes good sense. I haven't made A/B tests, but when I do I shall include the recording of the English suites he made for Beyer Records a few years before the recording for Naxos. I seem to recall that I found it a little more "strict" than the Naxos recording.

I haven't heard any of those precursors to the Naxos series. I'd be interested to hear his French Suites (that's a subtle hint!)
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prémont

Quote from: Mandryka on October 28, 2023, 07:37:15 AMI haven't heard any of those precursors to the Naxos series. I'd be interested to hear his French Suites (that's a subtle hint!)

As far as I can tell the English suites are the only ones which were recorded twice. 

https://www.bach-cantatas.com/NVP/Rubsam.htm#SoloKey
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Mandryka

Quote from: premont on October 28, 2023, 07:48:48 AMAs far as I can tell the English suites are the only ones which were recorded twice. 

https://www.bach-cantatas.com/NVP/Rubsam.htm#SoloKey

Ah yes, the timings of this are indeed the same as the Naxos release

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Mandryka

Rübsam also astonishing in the first English suite.
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AnotherSpin

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Quote from: Mandryka on October 28, 2023, 01:39:31 PMRübsam also astonishing in the first English suite.

True..) I was listening to Rübsam's 1st English Suite when opened this page.

Pohjolas Daughter

I enjoyed listening to a number of recordings of Wilhelm Kempff playing Bach (from 1953) via youtube.

PD
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Mandryka

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 02, 2023, 12:49:48 PMI enjoyed listening to a number of recordings of Wilhelm Kempff playing Bach (from 1953) via youtube.

PD

His mono performance of his own Bach transcriptions are lovely - much more captivating for me than the stereo recording.
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Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Mandryka on November 02, 2023, 02:02:08 PMHis mono performance of his own Bach transcriptions are lovely - much more captivating for me than the stereo recording.
I'll have to do some digging and see which ones I have (I have some different sets of his music.)--if any. 

PD
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Mandryka

The 15 year old Pollini plays a bit of Bach -- ridiculously fast, but you know what 15 year olds are like! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLHkGZXlTo
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