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Title: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on October 28, 2007, 12:53:35 AM
Does anyone know about Decca relaunching L'Oiseau-Lyre?

I discovered pre-orders on ten old issues of this successful early music label at MDT (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/search/Special%20Offers/SO_OL/OL1107/)!
Could it be that the idiots at Decca/Universal finally have come to their senses? :o
It almost sounds to good to be true. 8)

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: rubio on October 28, 2007, 01:25:38 AM
Any must-haves among these first reissues?
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: Que on October 28, 2007, 03:13:38 AM
Any must-haves among these first reissues?

Of these I will definitely take the first pictured: the Bach harpsichord concertos with Rousset and Hogwood. I never got them all and also missed out on the later reissue in a box set (which left out the violin concerto, arrangements and a original Vivaldi version).

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: The new erato on October 28, 2007, 03:23:36 AM
The only one of these I know is the Dowland songs, and which I can recommend.

Will probaly buy a few of these myself (Geminiani, Muffat)
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: Harry on October 28, 2007, 07:09:10 AM
Yes I knew that! JPC announced it in their magazine, and published the first 10 re issues. Good news huh? ;D
There is not a single weak issue here, they are all good, so I ordered them all, and sell or give away the Elpee's, I still had.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: (: premont :) on October 28, 2007, 03:04:33 PM
I owned since long time the Bach harpsichord concertos, the Carmina Burana, the Dowland and the Prætorius discs. All recommendable. Jaap Schröder is a bit rough sounding here as always, but Rousset saves the disc.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: Lethevich on October 28, 2007, 03:26:16 PM
YESYESYES! OJPFAPPFOPOAFIFIIAF!

The potential that their Dufay complete secular music (among other things) could be available again has just made my day :D
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: alkan on October 29, 2007, 02:55:17 AM
My dream would be that the Oiseau Lyre version of Haydn symphonies 94, 104 and (maybe) 101 arranged for a chamber ensemble  (SQ plus flute I think) is republished.          It is played by members of the AAM and was published years ago in the OL catalog.    It has been unavailable for a long time .......     
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: FideLeo on November 02, 2007, 10:34:00 AM
My dream would be that the Oiseau Lyre version of Haydn symphonies 94, 104 and (maybe) 101 arranged for a chamber ensemble  (SQ plus flute I think) is republished.          It is played by members of the AAM and was published years ago in the OL catalog.    It has been unavailable for a long time .......     

Salomon's arrangements of Haydn London symphonies are actually for vn, vc, fp (fortepiano trio) and fl.
Florilegium has done several (all?) of them for Channel Classics.
Title: Masolino .... thanks !!
Post by: alkan on November 05, 2007, 01:30:42 AM
Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction !!
I would not have found this recording without your help.
Title: Re: Masolino .... thanks !!
Post by: FideLeo on November 05, 2007, 03:48:39 AM
Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction !!
I would not have found this recording without your help.


You are welcomed, as I love this music as well.  BTW, Hummel did some Mozart symphony
transcriptions using exactly the same instrumentation.  I have an MdG recording of the 38
and 41 (L'Ottocento ensemble/Robert Hill) which has very good performances if the traverso is
balanced a bit too much to the fore and can sound piercingly loud from time to time.
I remember seeing arrangements for Haffner and Linz symphonies on recorded somewhere
but the information eludes me at the moment.

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected?
Post by: Valentino on November 05, 2007, 03:52:39 AM
So we get good playing on the original label again. Good.
Apart from that, it doesn't really matter to me that my Mozart Coronation Mass with Kirkby and Hogwood has a Decca logo on the cover.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on November 16, 2007, 10:38:40 PM
More new issues!

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Harry on November 17, 2007, 01:32:43 AM
Well no buying here for me, have them all....... ;D
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on November 18, 2007, 12:57:17 AM
I missed a few. But I guess, this must be it - for now!
Any recommendations? :) That 12CD Dowland set with Rooley is looking tasty... :D

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: (: premont :) on November 18, 2007, 03:01:37 AM
Que, I don´t know how much you appreciate the medieval and renaissance repertoire, but concerning the performances the "Pilgrimage to Santiago" and "Ce diabolic chant" are hard to beat.
As a recorder fan I have no problems with "La Spagna" , but I have to admit that a pure recorder rendering of the music in question sometimes makes a somewhat abstract effect, even if probably authentic in the proper sense of the word (i.e. it may well have been played in this way too in earlier times).
The Dowland set is a must, even if you later may want other recordings of individual works.
The Four seasons are played with much entusiasm and spirit, indeed my preferred recording, but if you already own several fine recordings of this work, I am not sure if it pays sufficiently to acquire the Hogwood too.
The Bach/Hogwood 3-4 Harpsichord concertos is just as mandatory as the other CDs in this series.
I don´t know the Gabrieli/Parrott, but I own another CD with similar music by the same performers on Archiv making me consider the Oiseau Lyre CD seriously.
The rest I don´t know.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on November 18, 2007, 03:18:04 AM
Que, I don´t know how much you appreciate the medieval and renaissance repertoire, but concerning the performances the "Pilgrimage to Santiago" and "Ce diabolic chant" are hard to beat.
As a recorder fan I have no problems with "La Spagna" , but I have to admit that a pure recorder rendering of the music in question sometimes makes a somewhat abstract effect, even if probably authentic in the proper sense of the word (i.e. it may well have been played in this way too in earlier times).
The Dowland set is a must, even if you later may want other recordings of individual works.
The Four seasons are played with much entusiasm and spirit, indeed my preferred recording, but if you already own several fine recordings of this work, I am not sure if it pays sufficiently to acquire the Hogwood too.
The Bach/Hogwood 3-4 Harpsichord concertos is just as mandatory as the other CDs in this series.
I don´t know the Gabrieli/Parrott, but I own another CD with similar music by the same performers on Archiv making me consider the Oiseau Lyre CD seriously.
The rest I don´t know.

Premont, thanks a bundle!  :)
I already have the Bach/Hogwood/Rousset 3-4 harpsichords, and heartily second your rec.
And yes, I'm interested in the Medieval and Renaissance stuff. Very much want to get into music from those periods, fortunately there are currently some nice threads going on. Will these keep in mind.
I thought as much on the Dowland! Let's hope it will surface on Amazon for a nice bargain price! ;D (€83 at jpc is still a bit too hefty for me..)

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: (: premont :) on November 18, 2007, 03:37:24 AM
I thought as much on the Dowland! Let's hope it will surface on Amazon for a nice bargain price! ;D (€83 at jpc is still a bit too hefty for me..)
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Well, I didn´t realize it was that expensive (I got mine maybe ten years ago).
Amazon UK lists it a tad cheaper:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dowland-Collected-Works-John/dp/B000004CYV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1195385679&sr=1-1
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on November 18, 2007, 03:55:46 AM
Well, I didn´t realize it was that expensive (I got mine maybe ten years ago).
Amazon UK lists it a tad cheaper:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dowland-Collected-Works-John/dp/B000004CYV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1195385679&sr=1-1

Thanks! :)
Just checked US-Amazon (http://US-Amazon) as well: that would - with current exchange rates - amount to €42 including p&p!
Much better! ;D Yet another temptation.... ::)

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 04:07:47 AM
Many of the above discs I've recently noticed are available from my local record store; so anything in there for the less-hardcore "traditionalist"? ;D

Or should I pass, for now? :)
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on November 18, 2007, 04:10:59 AM
Many of the above discs I've recently noticed are available from my local record store; so anything in there for the less-hardcore "traditionalist"? ;D

Or should I pass, for now? :)

For mainstream repertoire: the two issues of Bach's harpsichord concertos with Hogwood & Rousset. :)

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: (: premont :) on November 18, 2007, 04:16:08 AM
Just checked US-Amazon (http://US-Amazon) as well: that would - with current exchange rates - amount to €42 including p&p!

Oh yes $55.
But the cause for not considering US firms (unless other possibilities are rightout impracticable) is the fact, that I have to pay about 35 % tax and official administration to the Danish authorities of orders from the US. So $55 including tax and postage will be > $80 which equals about 55 Euro´s, equalling the 49 Euro´s at Amazon UK which including postage will become a similar amount.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on November 18, 2007, 04:20:46 AM
Oh yes $55.
But the cause for not considering US firms (unless other possibilities are rightout impracticable) is the fact, that I have to pay about 35 % tax and official administration to the Danish authorities of orders from the US. So $55 including tax and postage will be > $80 which equals about 55 Euro´s, surpassing the 49 Euro´s at Amazon UK.

I guess I'm quite lucky then! :)
Dutch customs only take net value into account (and the rate is 20%), since value is below €40, they likely will let it pass unhindered.

I would have never guessed that my interest in classical music would ever led to so much arithmetic! :o

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Renfield on November 18, 2007, 04:23:04 AM
For mainstream repertoire: the two issues of Bach's harpsichord concertos with Hogwood & Rousset. :)

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Then I will look into these for now, and perhaps stake out the rest when I'm more familiar with that part of the repertory. Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: (: premont :) on November 18, 2007, 04:29:09 AM
I would have never guessed that my interest in classical music would ever led to so much arithmetic! :o

Neither would I, but regarding the number of CDs I purchase every month, price-conciousness is a vital part of the project.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on November 18, 2007, 04:38:35 AM
Neither would I, but regarding the number of CDs I purchase every month, price-conciousness is a vital part of the project.

Maybe some genius on the forum could write for us a little calculating programme to do the arithmetics on various exchanges rates, p & p rates, custom thresholds (including or excluding postage) and import duties?  :D

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Harry Collier on November 18, 2007, 04:43:48 AM
Oh yes $55.
But the cause for not considering US firms (unless other possibilities are rightout impracticable) is the fact, that I have to pay about 35 % tax and official administration to the Danish authorities of orders from the US. So $55 including tax and postage will be > $80 which equals about 55 Euro´s, equalling the 49 Euro´s at Amazon UK which including postage will become a similar amount.

I receive around 6 CDs per week from Taiwan, China, South America, North America and Japan. Never tax, and postage is only around $2. The secret? Have everything sent small packet airmail without the easily replaceable jewel cases. Letters do not attract import duties, nor taxes. It's a bit difficult to persuade American suppliers not to use courier services such as UPS or FedEx (for a CD!). So in that case have things shipped to an American friend for onward shipping.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Harry on November 18, 2007, 10:16:11 AM
I missed a few. But I guess, this must be it - for now!
Any recommendations? :) That 12CD Dowland set with Rooley is looking tasty... :D

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Again all of them I have, and like Premont said, the Dowland is a must, both Handel cd's, wonderful, not to keen on the recorder thingie, and lest I forget, the Telemann is a must too.......
Title: Re: 丼itions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: FideLeo on November 18, 2007, 02:29:14 PM
Again all of them I have, and like Premont said, the Dowland is a must...

The Dowland set is most worthy for the songs, most of which are presented as how they were published by the composer, i.e. for two or more voices instead of the "solo lute songs" format.  Those allegric to the voices of Emma Kirkby and Martyn Hill should perhaps stay away, however.  What is not adequate in Consort of Music's Monteverdi works perfect for their Dowland - the Brits certainly got the Northern gloom part right.
Title: Re: 丼itions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: (: premont :) on November 18, 2007, 03:54:14 PM
The Dowland set is most worthy for the songs, most of which are presented as how they were published by the composer, i.e. for two or more voices instead of the "solo lute songs" format.  Those allegric to the voices of Emma Kirkby and Martyn Hill should perhaps stay away, however.  What is not adequate in Consort of Music's Monteverdi works perfect for their Dowland - the Brits certainly got the Northern gloom part right.

Right, but I find the ensemble pieces (Lacrimae at most of course) and the harpsichord arrangements most interesting too, and the lute pieces aren´t that bad, even if played by a mixed bag of lutenists. As a comprehensive, not to say "overcomplete" collection it is without equal, and it represents a good and (relative cheap) starting point.
Title: Re: 丼itions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: FideLeo on November 18, 2007, 04:00:51 PM
Right, but I find the ensemble pieces (Lacrimae at most of course) and the harpsichord arrangements most interesting too, and the lute pieces aren愒 that bad, even if played by a mixed bag of lutenists. As a comprehensive, not to say "overcomplete" collection it is without equal, and it represents a good and (relative cheap) starting point.

It's hard to find a more complete collection of "lacrimae" adaptations on disc than one found here, for example.   :)
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Lilas Pastia on November 18, 2007, 06:13:20 PM
Haydn's 8 nocturnes played by Alan Hacker and The Music Party. This was a 2lp set. It's one of the gems of the Haydn discography. It's been on a pair of Decca discs at one time, long oop alas.

Wish THAT would be reissued....
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Valentino on December 15, 2007, 02:35:15 PM
And the Coin Haydn cello concerti, please. 
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: rubio on March 30, 2008, 03:24:35 AM
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Any comments on this one? Would it be a good introduction to Rameau's orchestral music?
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on March 30, 2008, 03:46:05 AM
Any comments on this one? Would it be a good introduction to Rameau's orchestral music?

I have it in my shopping cart as well! Sampled it ages ago - when it was full price issue and I was a pennyless student. Liked it very much, back then. But I'm sure other with more recent experience with it will comment.  :)

Taking the opportunity for an update on recent reissues.
I like the look of that Mozart concertos with Hogwood and the Blow/Venus & Adonis.

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: FideLeo on March 30, 2008, 05:03:56 AM
Any comments on this one? Would it be a good introduction to Rameau's orchestral music?

Yes.  And so is Minkowski's "Imaginary Symphony" album.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: The new erato on March 30, 2008, 06:03:09 AM
Yes.  And so is Minkowski's "Imaginary Symphony" album.
The Rameau is essential. As is the Blow; one of my favorite smallscale baroque operas. And the Pickett Orfeo is very attractive (have them all since many years).

Have bought the Geminiani cello sonatas and have enjoyed them immensely. 
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: hautbois on March 31, 2008, 08:27:52 AM
I find Hogwood's output generally on the less inspired and bland side...for the Mozart concertos, there are many many better performances. The Rameau is a great cd! But Bruggen has one on Philips as well, and if the price is far away from each, consider the Rousset rejected!

Howard
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: FideLeo on March 31, 2008, 08:47:00 AM
I find Hogwood's output generally on the less inspired and bland side...for the Mozart concertos, there are many many better performances. The Rameau is a great cd! But Bruggen has one on Philips as well, and if the price is far away from each, consider the Rousset rejected!

Howard

Hogwood can be bland, but this one of WAM's flute concertos seems to be an exception -- it is one of very good performances I think.  The oboe and clarinet concertos, however, seem a bit overrated to me.

EDIT.  The Rousset recording is ALL overtures...while the Bruggen isn't (concert suites) so it's not really an either-or
choice actually.
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Renfield on March 31, 2008, 09:27:36 AM
I recently picked up Hogwood's (overcomplete :P) box set of the Mozart symphonies, on a whim. Rather interesting.

And of course the Bach Que recommended to me, bought a while ago, which has been a most enjoyable purchase. :)
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Que on October 17, 2008, 11:54:04 PM
L'Oiseau Lyre has its own site now, which includes a download facility - also for recordings that will not be reissued on CD!

Click here:

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BTW, just noticed that M's favourite recording of Haydn's cello concertos has been reissued: :)

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Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Bunny on October 18, 2008, 06:43:48 AM
With the Cello Concerto here, can the Creation be far behind? :)
Title: Re: Éditions L'Oiseau-Lyre resurrected!
Post by: Heather Harrison on October 18, 2008, 05:30:29 PM
The L'Oisesu-Lyre website will be very helpful in getting me to spend more money.  I discovered their releases back in the days of LPs, and I have always sought them out.  I have bought a few of their reissues recently, and I am glad to hear that they continue to appear.  I see many on the website that will likely end up in my collection.

Heather