I've been stuck in the Westerns lately, but Morricone's imagination runs the gamut. All the cheesie movies I want to see apparantly have yet another Morricone soundtrack. How prolific is this guy?
http://www.enniomorricone.it/
Since when does a film composer classify as a classical composer?
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 13, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
Since when does a film composer classify as a classical composer?
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Quote from: snyprrr on March 13, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
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Cat got your tongue? :)
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 13, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
Since when does a film composer classify as a classical composer?
Ah, but one could also ask, "Since when isn't a film composer classified as a classical composer?"
Quote from: snyprrr on March 13, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
I've been stuck in the Westerns lately, but Morricone's imagination runs the gamut. All the cheesie movies I want to see apparantly have yet another Morricone soundtrack. How prolific is this guy?
http://www.enniomorricone.it/
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51begt-p12L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Nice score to the Zeffirelli Hamlet, too.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on March 13, 2013, 06:19:19 PM
Ah, but one could also ask, "Since when isn't a film composer classified as a classical composer?"
I personally never put the two types of composers together. I always thought they belong in different fields. By the way, I love a lot of film music and I'm not saying anything negative about this genre, I just don't find that the two "professions" if you will go hand-in-hand.
Quote from: snyprrr on March 13, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
I've been stuck in the Westerns lately, but Morricone's imagination runs the gamut. All the cheesie movies I want to see apparantly have yet another Morricone soundtrack. How prolific is this guy?
http://www.enniomorricone.it/
I love his scores for
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (which has become iconic),
Once Upon a Time in the West, and
The Mission. But that's about all I know out of dozens and dozens of his scores.
Composers who wrote for films:
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Honegger
Milhaud
Alwyn
Arnold
Walton
Bliss
Korngold
Copland
Leonard Bernstein
Virgil Thomson
Morton Gould
Rota
Rosza
Vaughan Williams
Bernard Herrmann
Quote from: NJ Joe on March 13, 2013, 06:35:16 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51begt-p12L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
BINGO!
He also has a lot of very experimental stuff from the '70s. I keep thinking
Holocaust 2000/The Chosen (an
Omen knockoff) with Kirk Douglas and Simon Ward.
Still, I'm all about the Opening Theme to that certain Western! a-ee-a-ee-ahhhh!!!
Wikipedia says he's scored more than 500 films. Inevitably, I can point to one score that I loathed, The Legend of 1900, which has an annoying and repetitive theme. The screenplay is horrible drivel as well.
Quote from: Daverz on March 13, 2013, 11:22:14 PM
I love his scores for The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (which has become iconic),
Once Upon a Time in the West, and The Mission. But that's about all I know out of dozens and dozens of his scores.
Composers who wrote for films:
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Honegger
Milhaud
Alwyn
Arnold
Walton
Bliss
Korngold
Copland
Leonard Bernstein
Virgil Thomson
Morton Gould
Rota
Rosza
Vaughan Williams
Bernard Herrmann
and I bet (eg) Beethoven and Mendelssohn would have written for films if movies had been invented!
Morricone reminds me of all those baroque composers who kept dishing out wonderful stuff that accompanied (mostly) subpar theatre productions.
I'm not much of an expert on his catalogue but even in the most obscure depths, you can find gems as strong as his well-known masterpieces.
Quote from: Daverz on March 13, 2013, 11:22:14 PM
I love his scores for The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (which has become iconic),
Once Upon a Time in the West, and The Mission.
My God, I never realized he did The Mission. I love that score.
Quote from: snyprrr on March 15, 2013, 06:39:15 AM
BINGO!
He also has a lot of very experimental stuff from the '70s. I keep thinking Holocaust 2000/The Chosen (an Omen knockoff) with Kirk Douglas and Simon Ward.
Still, I'm all about the Opening Theme to that certain Western! a-ee-a-ee-ahhhh!!!
The Thing score suits the movie so well. It's creepy and understated, like you hardly know it's there, but very effective.
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 15, 2013, 07:16:57 PM
::) You didn't "call me" on anything.
Didn't say I did. That was mc ukrneal. Your response was
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 13, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
I personally never put the two types of composers together. I always thought they belong in different fields. By the way, I love a lot of film music and I'm not saying anything negative about this genre, I just don't find that the two "professions" if you will go hand-in-hand.
In other words, you don't know anything about the subject, but your fascinating personal thoughts on the subject are what matter, not actually learning anything from anyone else.
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I offered an opinion you simply disagreed with.
You offered an uninformed opinion about something that is pretty easily investigated.
The close relationship between classical music and film music is not a matter of opinion anyway, it's an easily verifiable with a modest amount of investigation. Many concert music composers wrote film music, sometimes tons of it. And many film composers wrote concert music, sometimes tons of it. The connection is not just vocational. Film music ends up in concerts and concert music ends up in films. Concert music is inspired by films and films are inspired by concert music.
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I don't put film music and classical music into the same categories because they're not the same thing. If you think film music is on the same plateau as Mahler's 9th, for example, then that's your opinion. I simply offered a different view on the subject. I was merely fighting fire with your fire, which, for future reference, I won't allow myself to be brought down to your level again. I should've known better.
Moving the goalpost. The original post was not about quality.
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 13, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
Since when does a film composer classify as a classical composer?
And was answered well enough by mc ukrneal.
I reject this self-congratulatory view of art, anyway.
Daverz, I reject that the two genres are categorized together by you. If you think Hans Zimmer's film score to The Last Samurai is apart of same echelon as Stravinsky's Le sacre du printemps or Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique then that's simply your prerogative. You're absolutely right though, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Let's see if Howard Shore's film score to The Hobbit is remembered in classical history books. I would wager Howard Shore isn't even in a classical music history book. I think you're simply defending something that doesn't need to be defended because nobody who is objective would put a film score above Beethoven's late SQs. If you think Hans Zimmer, or Morricone in this case since this thread is about him, is an equal to Brahms then by all means continue to think that and I'll continue to think that you're the one who is completely ignorant.
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 15, 2013, 08:58:34 PM
Daverz, I reject that the two genres are categorized together by you. If you think Hans Zimmer's film score to The Last Samurai is apart of same echelon as Stravinsky's Le sacre du printemps or Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique
Is the argument about categories or about quality. Make up your mind. If quality determines category, then crap like
Wellington's Victory is not classical music.
Entertaining the idea for a moment: I don't know the Zimmer score (avoided this particular Tom Cruise vehicle). I suppose an argument can be made that it is inferior in quality. But what you've written is simply an appeal to snobbery.
Quotenobody who is objective would put a film score above Beethoven's late SQs. If you think Hans Zimmer, or Morricone in this case since this thread is about him, is an equal to Brahms then by all means continue to think that and I'll continue to think that you're the one who is completely ignorant.
If you have an aesthetic case to make, make it. This is not an argument, it's simply genuflection. "Ahhh, Bach."
QuoteHawkeye: Now, look. You might get into a discussion about music with her.
Radar: Music?
Hawkeye: Yeah, she's got some pretty highbrow tastes.
Trapper: Mozart? Bach? All the biggies?
Hawkeye: Bach is easy. If she brings him up, you just smile and you say: "Ahh, Bach."
Radar: Ahh, Bach.
Hawkeye: Smile a little bit.
Radar: (smiling and waving more energetically) Ahh, Bach!
Hawkeye: That's nice. Very good. That's not bad. Now, if she throws guys at you like Shostakovich or Tchai...
Radar: Who?
Hawkeye: Shostakovich or Tchaikovsky, just try to look bored.
(Radar makes a face)
Trapper: That's your bored look?
Radar: Yeah.
Trapper: Go back to lookin' sick.
Radar: What do I do if she asks me what I like in music?
Hawkeye: Well, say, uh... "Well, I'm partial to the fugue."
Radar: Well, I'm partial to the fugue. (he smiles, but then thinks of something) Can I say that to a girl I hardly know?
It's about categories. Where are soundtracks located in record stores? They're not located in the classical section are they? I went into Barnes & Noble the other day and classical was nowhere near soundtracks, so, somewhere down the line, somebody said "Wait a minute, these are different kinds of music." There are many fine film scores but my argument is classical music is a completely separate category altogether from a soundtrack. Sure a film score can be reduced to a concert suite, but this doesn't necessarily make a classical work all of sudden just because it's played by an orchestra does it? If a jazz vocalist is backed by a string orchestra, does this mean they're playing classical just because there's an orchestra present? Absolutely not. I have never heard of film music ever being a genre within classical music.
Hey, thanks guys for beefin' up the Thread!!
Just to muck things up a little more:
I've been listening to the morning classical program on a local radio station for many years, and have on several occasions heard film music as part of the program. I remember one particularly notable occasion when I was trying to identify an unknown piece I was enjoying, only to learn that it was music from the "Bram Stoker's Dracula" soundtrack by Wojciech Kilar. I distinctly remember the DJ discussion of how Kilar and other contemporary classical composers crossed over into the film score genre, citing other examples of "classical music" being found in film scores, and concluding that there was much relevant music to be found in these scores.
I guess my point is that I don't totally agree with the assessment that classical music is a completely separate category from a soundtrack. While I was listening, it was classical music, period. The "categorization" came afterward, when the DJ announced the work. Sure the soundtracks are located in a different section of the record store, but is this not mainly for marketing purposes? There are certainly other examples of music that is pigeon-holed into a certain category (see the "new age" categorization) where there is a blurring of genres.
Quote from: NJ Joe on March 16, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
Just to muck things up a little more:
I've been listening to the morning classical program on a local radio station for many years, and have on several occasions heard film music as part of the program. I remember one particularly notable occasion when I was trying to identify an unknown piece I was enjoying, only to learn that it was music from the "Bram Stoker's Dracula" soundtrack by Wojciech Kilar. I distinctly remember the DJ discussion of how Kilar and other contemporary classical composers crossed over into the film score genre, citing other examples of "classical music" being found in film scores, and concluding that there was much relevant music to be found in these scores.
I guess my point is that I don't totally agree with the assessment that classical music is a completely separate category from a soundtrack. While I was listening, it was classical music, period. The "categorization" came afterward, when the DJ announced the work. Sure the soundtracks are located in a different section of the record store, but is this not mainly for marketing purposes? There are certainly other examples of music that is pigeon-holed into a certain category (see the "new age" categorization) where there is a blurring of genres.
I look at it this way. If the sheeple say, "Hey, your 'classical' music sounds just like movie music, what's up with that?", how am I suppose to respond to that?? :P Let sleeping dogs lie?
Did Morricone do the soundtrack for 'The Last of The Mohicans'? I do enjoy the music (and loved the movie). Unfortunately, they overplayed the music on this Hartford radio station in my early days of classical music exploration (I'm sure Opus106 Navneeth) can back me up on this. ;D
Who?,... WHO? can deny Morricone a place in the League of 20th Century Composers? WHO??
hoo hoo
I do have a weak spot for the main theme from Exorcist II: The Heretic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPdK1CW67c0
It's :'( :'(.. so :'( :'(.. beatiful :'( :'(
Quote from: ChamberNut on March 17, 2013, 08:08:46 AM
Did Morricone do the soundtrack for 'The Last of The Mohicans'? I do enjoy the music (and loved the movie). Unfortunately, they overplayed the music on this Hartford radio station in my early days of classical music exploration (I'm sure Opus106 Navneeth) can back me up on this. ;D
I think it was a couple of jewish guys!?! randy and trevor?... not EM.
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 15, 2013, 10:03:08 PM
It's about categories. Where are soundtracks located in record stores? They're not located in the classical section are they? I went into Barnes & Noble the other day and classical was nowhere near soundtracks, so, somewhere down the line, somebody said "Wait a minute, these are different kinds of music."
Are you sure you want to use Barnes & Noble as the authority on classical music identification? Personally, I tend to defer to Best Buys; those guys really know their music. :P
Quote from: Sammy on March 17, 2013, 08:59:51 AM
Are you sure you want to use Barnes & Noble as the authority on classical music identification? Personally, I tend to defer to Best Buys; those guys really know their music. :P
And lots of film music will show up in the retail classical category, e.g. the whole film music series on Chandos.
That said, accepting these commercial categories as something we need to respect is rather silly and, again, simply an appeal to snobbery.
Quote from: Sammy on March 17, 2013, 08:59:51 AM
Are you sure you want to use Barnes & Noble as the authority on classical music identification? Personally, I tend to defer to Best Buys; those guys really know their music. :P
Good point. :) Yeah, B&N don't really have a clue about classical music. I asked a person behind the desk one day if she had ever heard any of Stravinsky's music just to test her out and she said, if I'm remembering this correctly, "Stravinsky, oh yeah, I like one of their songs. Aren't they like emo or something?" My smile turned into a scowl almost immediately. I simply turned around and walked away. She may not be into classical music and that's completely fine, the woman likes what she likes, but even I knew who Stravinsky was before I had heard a note of his music. This is why exposure is so important in order for classical music to thrive and continue to breathe.
Quote from: Sammy on March 17, 2013, 08:59:51 AM
Are you sure you want to use Barnes & Noble as the authority on classical music identification? Personally, I tend to defer to Best Buys; those guys really know their music. :P
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
It seems that every Italian trailer i pull up on YT has a Soundtrack by EM! E-VER-Y ONE!!
Quote from: snyprrr on March 18, 2013, 01:47:03 PM
E-VER-Y ONE!!
Here's from another big fan of
Leon. ;)
For anyone seeking some of Morricone's work with that Avant Improv Group, check out this wild wild Giallo from 1968, A Quiet Place in the Country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVo7TrxD8ic
Franco Nero and V. Redgrave are great. Very verrry odd film.
I have heard waaay too many Morricone Soundtracks lately, it's just mind boggling how he takes the slimmest of material and makes scary and strange palpabilities(HA!).
Yup, during GialloManiaMonth I have probably heard more Morricone than any other Composer, - he just turns up in film after film... always different styles, ANY style, he is so extraordinarily versatile and you never know which is style is going to show up at any given time.
He also has the ability to be invisible, which, for a Film Composer, is key.
Anyhow, just a gratuitous bump...
This slipped under my Morricone radar when it was released in November 2016. Morricone revisits some of his most memorable film music, re-orchestrating and arranging it in the process. Worth a listen for his fans.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51It8qES1PL._SS500.jpg)
Looks like an excellent recording, David. I love Morricone's work. One of his most remarkable pieces, for me, is Falls from the soundtrack of The Mission. This has such an emotional hold over me that I can't bring myself to listen to any of his music after hearing this because it haunts me for days.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 04, 2018, 06:15:40 AM
Looks like an excellent recording, David. I love Morricone's work. One of his most remarkable pieces, for me, is Falls from the soundtrack of The Mission. This has such an emotional hold over me that I can't bring myself to listen to any of his music after hearing this because it haunts me for days.
It is included in that set I posted.
Quote from: San Antone on January 04, 2018, 06:36:46 AM
It is included in that set I posted.
Oh dear...I must resist. ;)
I didn't realise that there was an existing Moriccone thread when I posted about his death - sorry about that.
Anyway, I was just listening to a short tribute about him on the radio and I didn't know that he'd been a composer of avant garde concert music in his youth and, more recently, had a Mass performed at the Vatican. On a more prosaic note my favourite track on the album I bought recently is for 'The Thing':
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meU2gAU7Xss
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