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Title: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: snyprrr on June 25, 2009, 10:10:23 AM
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Ignace Pleyel was part of Mozart's gang of friends, best known for building pianos and having a recital room named after him; however, he appears to have written about as many SQs as Haydn, and was highly regarded at the time. Does anyone remember Ignace?
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: Mozart on June 25, 2009, 04:53:04 PM
Cello concertos anyone? I've been curious but have heard little music from Pleyel. His name sounds funny anyways.
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: snyprrr on July 03, 2009, 09:34:51 AM
Pleyel "Prussian" SQs 7-9/CPO- Pleyel Quartett Koln:

Well, this is the first conscious note of Pleyel's that I've heard. 3 out of 12 SQs dedicated to you-know-who, written in 1786.

Well, it was either this one, or the Naxos. I choose this one, figuring on just another year or two of maturity. Well (3 "wells" already :o), I suppose Gurn was right: "Haydn Lite," though that's not really fair. Even the booklet brings this point up, saying that Pleyel's was a conscious decision to be different from Haydn, and not just that he wanted to make a quick buck by sounding more "popular."

But I had an epiphany listening to Haydn Op.64 No.3 on the PILZ recording. In this version, no repeats are taken, I believe, (at least this is the fleetest 64/3 ever???), so the SQ comes out to about 18mins; but what struck me is how the Menuett and Allegro con Spirito finale almost appear as one mvmt., meaning that here, in this recording, 64/3 has the sonic impression of a 3 mvmt. work, which is the way Pleyel wrote. So, as such, Pleyel reminds me a lot of Haydn Op.64, perhaps (if taken "straight up" w/ no repeats). mmm...perhaps...

Anyhow, I wonder how the "g minor" SQ of the Naxos disc compares with the one here. The one here wasn't all that "g minor-y", if you know what I mean. I heard the one on Naxos was a little bit more dramatic, perhaps.

Ultimately, Pleyel is reminding me of the less memorable Haydn. It's all quite friendly and non offensive, but for the talk about Pleyel's melodic appeal (vs Haydn's more "probing" method), I find things pretty status quo, with not that many "hooks" to grab on to.

If I had to choose between Pleyel and Dittersdorf... mmm... that's a toughy. Pleyel sounds more like Haydn, whilst Ditters sounds more like Mozart. Based on the two cds I have, I might have to go with the 'Dorf!
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: Sean on July 04, 2009, 11:54:54 AM
Hi snyprrr (what kind of name is that for an intelligent guy/ girl/ whatever you are?)

By Pleyel I know the Clarinet concertos In Bb & C & String quartet op.2/2, and I like your assessments of Pleyel & Dittersdorf.
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 04, 2009, 04:48:17 PM
Hi Snyprrr - as you can imagine, Ignaz Pleyel is well known to many of us and was quite famous in this time; below is a quote from a thread in the Old Forum (http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,2619.0.html) started by Gurn that gives a brief bio of Pleyel (at the bottom) -  :D

Pleyel was kind of a 'jack of all trades' during his life - a composer, musical publisher, and piano maker - his output was prolific, including composing 41 symphonies, 70 string quartets and several string quintets and operas; and likely much more.

Personally, I own just a half dozen or so CDs of his music (and have not checked recently on 'what else' may be available) - my ownings include:

Clarinet Concertos w/ Dieter Klockter on the CPO label.
Piano Trios w/ Trio Joachim on Dynamic.
String Quartets w/ Enso Quartet on Naxos.
Symphonies w/ Grodd et al on Naxos.
Symphonies w/ Bamert on Chandos.

Obviously he wrote so many Symphonies & SQs that other versions may be available? Dave  :)


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IGNAZ JOSEPH PLEYEL (1757-1831)
Allan Badley

In the years immediately following Haydn’s retirement his former pupil Ignaz Joseph Pleyel (1757-1831) was probably the most popular composer in Europe in addition to being an important music publisher and piano maker.

Little is known about the nature of Pleyel’s studies with Haydn, which began around 1772, but evidently his progress was pleasing enough for his patron Count Ladislaus Erdödy to express his gratitude to Haydn by offering him a carriage and two horses for which Prince Esterházy agreed to provide a coachman and fodder. If Pleyel’s studies resembled Beethoven’s then we can assume that he undertook a systematic course of contrapuntal studies with Haydn, based on the composer’s own annotated and revised version of Fux’s influential treatise Gradus ad Parnassum, and supervision of Pleyel’s exercises in free composition. During his studies with Haydn Pleyel’s marionette opera Die Fee Urgele received its premiere at Eszterháza (November 1776) and was also performed at the Nationaltheater in Vienna. Haydn’s marionette opera Die Feuerbrunst ( Hob. XXIXb:A) was also performed in 1776 or 1777 with an overture now believed to be largely by Pleyel.

Pleyel’s first professional position seems to have as Kapellmeister to Count Erdödy although there is no documentation extant from this part of his career. Erdödy’s musical establishment appears to have been quite substantial of the evidence of the material offered for sale by auction after his death in 1786 which included several hundred symphonies, concertos, quintets, operas and masses. Pleyel dedicated his String Quartets op.1 to Count Erdödy in appreciation of his ‘generosity, paternal solicitude and encouragement’.

Pleyel travelled to Italy in the early 1780s and through the offices of Norbert Hadrava, a part-time composer attached to the Austrian embassy in Naples, he secured commissions to write pieces for lira organizzata (hurdy-gurdy) for performance by the King of Naples and in 1784 Hadrava arranged the commissioning of an opera, Ifigenia in Aulide, which received its premiere at the Teatro San Carlo on the King’s nameday, 30 May 1785.

Around the same time Pleyel was appointed assistant to Franz Xaver Richter, Kapellmeister of Strasbourg Cathedral, and upon Richter’s death in 1789 he succeeded to the first position. From 1786 he also organised and conducted a series of public concerts in collaboration with the Kapellmeister of the Strasbourg Temple Neuf, J. P. Schönfeld. The Strasbourg years were the most productive musically for Pleyel and indeed most of his compositions date from the years 1787-1795.

With his professional circumstances uncertain in the aftermath of the French Revolution Pleyel accepted an invitation to conduct the Professional Concerts in London and stayed there from December 1791 until May 1792. Although much was made of the rivalry between the Professional Concerts and Johann Peter Salomon’s concert series of which Haydn was the great draw card, there is no evidence - and indeed much to the contrary - that relations between the two composers were strained. Haydn and Pleyel met frequently, dined together and even played each other’s music. Haydn received the lion’s share of the critical acclaim but Pleyel’s concerts were well attended and his symphonies concertantes and quartets in particular were highly praised in the press.

Early in 1795 Pleyel settled in Paris, opened a music shop and founded a publishing house which, over the 39 years it was existence, issued over 4000 works including compositions by Boccherini, Beethoven, Clementi, Haydn and others. The enterprising Pleyel established agents for the sale of his publications all over Europe and sometimes arranged for reciprocal engraving of works by other leading publishing such as Artaria in Vienna and Breitkopf of Leipzig with whom he was in close contact. Among the historically most important publications issued by the Maison Pleyel were the first miniature scores and, in 1801, a Collection complette des quatuors d’Haydn, dédiée au Premier Consul Bonaparte. The first edition contained 80 quartets, subsequent editions adding two, then one, as Haydn composed them.

Pleyel travelled to Vienna with his son Camille in 1805 to establish a branch publishing office. In spite of strong support from his local friends the venture failed, the victim of a series of resource-sapping legal disputes. He tried unsuccessfully to sell the Maison Pleyel in 1813 and over the last twenty years of its life the firm shifted its emphasis away from symphonies, quartets and sonatas in favour of more popular repertory.

The enormous popularity of Pleyel’s music in his own lifetime made him arguably the most famous composer in the world. As a measure of this, a Pleyel Society was founded in the whaling port of Nantucket (Mass.) in 1822. The most compelling evidence of this fame, however, is to be found in the staggering number of prints and manuscript copies of Pleyel’s compositions which survive today. Like a number of composers with business acumen, Pleyel’s best work was done relatively early in life before the distractions of extra-musical commitments took him away from full-time composition. Many of the works written in the shadow of Haydn in the 1780s are of exceptional quality, harmonically rich, structurally inventive and with highly original themes.
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 17, 2015, 02:45:42 PM
Back to the top for comments on the ongoing series below - has been a while!  :laugh:

Pleyel Quartett Köln from 2008-2014 has released the 3 CDs below of Pleyel's Prussian Quartets - Snyprrr back in 2009 seem to think that the third set below was second rate, and the reviews have been mixed - e.g. a positive MusicWeb review of Nos. 4-6 HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2012/Aug12/Pleyel_quartets_7775512.htm); however, a scathing review of Nos. 7-9 by Jerry Dubins (attached) - are they really that bad!   ::)   Curious  - any comments from those who may own and/or have heard these works.  Thanks - Dave :)


(http://www.pleyelquartett.de/sites/default/files/recording_covers/0761203777723.jpg)  (http://www.pleyelquartett.de/sites/default/files/recording_covers/cover_preuquar_4-6.jpg)  (http://www.pleyelquartett.de/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/recording_covers/cover_preuquar_7-9.jpg?itok=-v2VSJLr)
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: San Antone on February 17, 2015, 02:57:02 PM
The string quintets have been collected on this disc.



Recommended.
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 17, 2015, 03:35:24 PM
The string quintets have been collected on this disc.



Recommended.

Hi Sanantone - thanks for the recommendation - I have none of Pleyel's numerous Quintets - since my last post in 2009 - WOW!  I've added the additional discs below, all of which I enjoy - probably need some Quintets now!  Dave :)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61wCJQGrXeL.jpg)  (http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/038/MI0001038732.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bpyTD3yjL.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: Sammy on February 17, 2015, 03:59:20 PM
Back to the top for comments on the ongoing series below - has been a while!  :laugh:

Pleyel Quartett Köln from 2008-2014 has released the 3 CDs below of Pleyel's Prussian Quartets - Snyprrr back in 2009 seem to think that the third set below was second rate, and the reviews have been mixed - e.g. a positive MusicWeb review of Nos. 4-6 HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2012/Aug12/Pleyel_quartets_7775512.htm); however, a scathing review of Nos. 7-9 by Jerry Dubins (attached) - are they really that bad!   ::)   Curious  - any comments from those who may own and/or have heard these works.  Thanks - Dave :)

Dubins is not particularly in love with relatively obscure music of the Classical period; he also doesn't tend to be a big fan of period instruments.  With that in mind, I wouldn't give his review much attention.

Any reviews I've seen from Classical era enthusiasts have been complimentary.  As for me, I'm sort of in the middle.  Pleasant listening, but Pleyel can't hold up to Haydn or Mozart.
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: snyprrr on February 17, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
Back to the top for comments on the ongoing series below - has been a while!  :laugh:

Pleyel Quartett Köln from 2008-2014 has released the 3 CDs below of Pleyel's Prussian Quartets - Snyprrr back in 2009 seem to think that the third set below was second rate, and the reviews have been mixed - e.g. a positive MusicWeb review of Nos. 4-6 HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2012/Aug12/Pleyel_quartets_7775512.htm); however, a scathing review of Nos. 7-9 by Jerry Dubins (attached) - are they really that bad!   ::)   Curious  - any comments from those who may own and/or have heard these works.  Thanks - Dave :)


(http://www.pleyelquartett.de/sites/default/files/recording_covers/0761203777723.jpg)  (http://www.pleyelquartett.de/sites/default/files/recording_covers/cover_preuquar_4-6.jpg)  (http://www.pleyelquartett.de/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/recording_covers/cover_preuquar_7-9.jpg?itok=-v2VSJLr)

Oh,... yea,... right,... we all used to have fun HIP'ping off,... hmmm,... will have to get all the boxes of Early SQs,... wow, that was an interesting time back there in 2009,... ::),... errrr, yea


If I recall, try the third SQ on that 7-9 disc, Eb or F I think. I recall Pleyel being very trimmed, like the the foliage in the paintings on the CPOs, that classic trimmed Classical garden (oy, why am I getting so hot and bothered???).

I mean, you neeed boring every once in a while?
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 18, 2015, 08:00:44 AM
Dubins is not particularly in love with relatively obscure music of the Classical period; he also doesn't tend to be a big fan of period instruments.  With that in mind, I wouldn't give his review much attention.

Any reviews I've seen from Classical era enthusiasts have been complimentary.  As for me, I'm sort of in the middle.  Pleasant listening, but Pleyel can't hold up to Haydn or Mozart.

Hi Don - thanks for your appreciated comments - I feel the same, i.e. Pleyel is down a rung (or two) compared to the 'top runners' of the time, but sometimes a simpler approach to string quartet writing and performance offers less of a need for constant mental concentration.  I'm not sure that belittling these obviously talented composers because they are not up in the stratosphere of Haydn, Mozart, & Beethoven is a fair assessment - but just my 2 cents.  Dave :)
Title: Re: Pleyel's Platz
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 18, 2015, 08:15:10 AM
Hi Don - thanks for your appreciated comments - I feel the same, i.e. Pleyel is down a rung (or two) compared to the 'top runners' of the time, but sometimes a simpler approach to string quartet writing and performance offers less of a need for constant mental concentration.  I'm not sure that belittling these obviously talented composers because they are not up in the stratosphere of Haydn, Mozart, & Beethoven is a fair assessment - but just my 2 cents.  Dave :)

I don't read reviews.

8)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: San Antone on February 18, 2015, 08:22:18 AM
I like the Classical period style so much that I can easily enjoy music by composers that are considered (by some) as residing on a level lower than the apogee of Haydn mountain.

 ;)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 18, 2015, 09:24:42 AM
I like the Classical period style so much that I can easily enjoy music by composers that are considered (by some) as residing on a level lower than the apogee of Haydn mountain.

Same here - my favorite period of music seems to be from the early 1700s into the early 1800s, and the 'top' composers certainly make of a bulk of my collection from those years, but I do own a LOT of other composers (too many to even mentioned) from that era that I enjoy enormously, especially the writers of wind music. Dave :)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 18, 2015, 09:34:44 AM
Next to Beethoven, Pleyel was one of the most popular composers in the first third of the 19th century, so I was exploring his catalog by Rita Benton (Ignace Pleyel. A Thematic Catalogue of His Compositions. New York: Pendragon Press, 1977 - Source (http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Ignaz_Pleyel) - she lists nearly 800 compositions of all sorts (note, she starts w/ 101) - I made a list of some below, for those interested - he was indeed prolific.  Dave :)

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Duos - 66
Flute Quartets - 15
String Quartets - 84
String Quintets (or Winds) - 17
String Trios - 16
Symphonies (S. Concertante) - 54
Trio Sonatas - 49
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 19, 2015, 10:19:03 AM
String Quartets, Op. 2 w/ the young American Ensö Quartet in two separate discs on Naxos - owned the first one for a while and just received the volume w/ Nos. 4-6 - these works were composed in 1784 as Op. 2, also B. 307-312 (from the catalog linked in my previous post).  Pleyel had studied w/ Haydn in the 1770s and then toured Italy for about 5 years before composing these works, so w/ all of his fertile imagination and this background from Papa Joe and the Italians an interesting style of SQ writing emerges and is worth hearing - on Amazon, Scott Morrison gives both of these discs 5* - another superlative review reprinted HERE (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Name/Richard-Belcher/Performer/121089-2) - recommended.  Dave :)

P.S. the liner notes state Pleyel wrote 57 'authentic' string quartets, although I counted over 80 in the Benton catalog (about a dozen were A & B w/ the same number but that still is 20 more than stated previously) - I'm assuming that Rita Benton knows what she is talking about - comments?

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-x4rtZrR/0/O/Pleyel_Op2SQ_Enso1.jpg)  (http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-FCBWk94/0/O/Pleyel_Op2SQ_Enso2.jpg)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 16, 2016, 10:58:27 AM
Well, after another year of dormancy -  :D  Some new additions to my Pleyel collection (from a posting in the listening thread) - now own 3 discs from the 'Ars Produktion' series - there is an International Ignaz Joseph Pleyel Society (http://www.pleyel.at/pleyel/index.php?spr=en&PHPSESSID=&), for those interested; also, a list of his works HERE (http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Ignaz_Pleyel) as catalogued by Rita Benton and published in 1977 - his String Quartets are listed as Ben 301-370 w/ other types of quartets following; there were over a dozen String Quintets along w/ other Quintets with winds; his compositions totaled about 800 - Dave :)

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Some new arrivals today:

Pleyel, Ignaz (1757-1831) - String Quartets & String Quintets w/ the Janáček Quartet & the Ignaz Pleyel Quintett, respectively - the quartets are from 1803 and the quintets, 1785-86.  Dave :)

(https://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-MPKRh7J/0/O/Pleyel_SQs_V8.jpg)  (https://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-Fc32wS3/0/O/Pleyel_SQuintets_V17.jpg)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: snyprrr on February 16, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
Well, after another year of dormancy -  :D  Some new additions to my Pleyel collection (from a posting in the listening thread) - now own 3 discs from the 'Ars Produktion' series - there is an International Ignaz Joseph Pleyel Society (http://www.pleyel.at/pleyel/index.php?spr=en&PHPSESSID=&), for those interested; also, a list of his works HERE (http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Ignaz_Pleyel) as catalogued by Rita Benton and published in 1977 - his String Quartets are listed as Ben 301-370 w/ other types of quartets following; there were over a dozen String Quintets along w/ other Quintets with winds; his compositions totaled about 800 - Dave :)

Oooo, those were the Late Pleyel Quartets, no? Maybe there were others all the way up to 1809, I don't know... anything particularly spectacular here? Keys, please!!
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 16, 2016, 08:50:32 PM
Oooo, those were the Late Pleyel Quartets, no? Maybe there were others all the way up to 1809, I don't know... anything particularly spectacular here? Keys, please!!

Hey Snyprrr - these were indeed some of his last SQs - pic below from HERE (http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Ignaz_Pleyel) - these were from 1803 and JUST noticed dedicated to Boccherini (not sure why - I need to read the liner notes more carefully) - the keys are listed - 'spectacular'?  Well, probably not but quite enjoyable, well played, and recorded.  I have 3 other discs of his SQuartets, so maybe own about a dozen of the 70 or so he wrote - amazingly prolific composer!  I just order 3 more CDs of his wind chamber works - Dave :)

(https://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-2Mdzgcd/0/O/Pleyel_SQsBen365_367.png)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 20, 2016, 08:33:09 AM
Just left the post at the bottom in the 'listening thread' - recently, as I was listening to my Pleyel collection of about a dozen or so discs, noticed the near absence of wind music, a favorite genre of mine from that period (had some 'Clarinet Concertos' w/ Consortium Classicum) - so, am now listening to the Partitas disc if the post below.

Also, on order are the two additional discs shown - Dave :)

(https://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-jHM9r7F/0/O/Pleyel_WindSerenades_CClassicum.jpg)  (https://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-rGLrRxT/0/O/Pleyel_WindsStrings_Lencses.jpg)

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Pleyel, Ignaz Joseph (1757-1831) - Wind Partitas w/ the PI group 'Amphion Wind Octet' - new arrival - if you're a fan of windy music from this era and like the look of the instruments in the group pic, then highly recommended - a review HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/June13/Pleyel_wind_ACC24276.htm) by our own Brian (well done!) - Dave :)

(https://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-KjtxSPP/0/O/Pleyel_Partitas_AmphionWindOctet.jpg)  (https://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-FPLnmt2/0/O/AmphionWindOctet.jpg)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: Spineur on February 26, 2016, 05:27:29 AM
Most of you are referring to the composer Ignace Pleyel.  Pleyel is also the name of a piano manufacturer who sponsored the construction of a concert Hall (La salle Pleyel) which could host symphonic concerts.  Since its opening in 1927, this concert Hall was almost exclusively dedicated to classical music and was quite successful, although a number of renovation had to be done over the years.
Recently, there has been an uproar against a project to sell this iconic place to a private group (Fimalac) with the injunction to forbid the performance of any form of classical music.  This is because a new place (La philarmonie) has opened.  Because it is not as centrally located, politicians were concerned that "La Salle Pleyel" would be an unwanted competition to their political project of "La philarmonie".  This is presently challenged in courts.  It will be interesting to see what happens in the future with a conservative government.
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 26, 2016, 07:53:03 AM
Most of you are referring to the composer Ignace Pleyel.  Pleyel is also the name of a piano manufacturer who sponsored the construction of a concert Hall (La salle Pleyel) which could host symphonic concerts.  Since its opening in 1927, this concert Hall was almost exclusively dedicated to classical music and was quite successful, although a number of renovation had to be done over the years...................

Hello, not sure if you are implying that there were different people name Pleyel?  Ignaz Pleyel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Pleyel) (also first named spelled Ignace) (1757-1831) was a musician, composer, music publisher, and piano producer - his piano company built the original Salle Pleyel, and the same company replaced the hall in 1927 - below just a few quotes w/ the sources given.  Dave :)

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The piano firm Pleyel et Cie was founded by Ignace Pleyel and continued by Pleyel's son Camille (1788–1855), a piano virtuoso who became his father's business partner as of 1815. The firm provided pianos used by Frédéric Chopin, and also ran a concert hall, the Salle Pleyel, in which Chopin performed his first—and also his last—Paris concerts. Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Pleyel)

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A replacement 3,000-seat hall was commissioned in 1927[3] by piano manufacturer Pleyel et Cie and designed by Gustave Lion. Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salle_Pleyel)

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Pleyel et Cie ("Pleyel and Company") was a French piano manufacturing firm founded by the composer Ignace Pleyel in 1807. Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleyel_et_Cie)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: Spineur on February 26, 2016, 12:09:05 PM
The piano manufacture was really developped by Camille the son of the composer.  (Ignace Pleyel died in 1831).  It is Camille who sponsored the concert Hall "Salle Pleyel" opened in 1927.
Anyway, the issue I raised is what is left of the Pleyel name ?
The composition of Ignace Pleyel are so rarely performed today.  The piano manfacture developped by his family is now defunct
http://www.lemonde.fr/emploi/article/2013/11/12/fermeture-annoncee-de-la-manufacture-de-pianos-pleyel_3512401_1698637.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/emploi/article/2013/11/12/fermeture-annoncee-de-la-manufacture-de-pianos-pleyel_3512401_1698637.html)
So the only thing really left is the concert Hall.  This is why many people want to see it continuing as one of the flagship of classical music.
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 26, 2016, 04:01:23 PM
The piano manufacture was really developped by Camille the son of the composer.  (Ignace Pleyel died in 1831).  It is Camille who sponsored the concert Hall "Salle Pleyel" opened in 1927.
Anyway, the issue I raised is what is left of the Pleyel name ?
The composition of Ignace Pleyel are so rarely performed today.  The piano manfacture developped by his family is now defunct
http://www.lemonde.fr/emploi/article/2013/11/12/fermeture-annoncee-de-la-manufacture-de-pianos-pleyel_3512401_1698637.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/emploi/article/2013/11/12/fermeture-annoncee-de-la-manufacture-de-pianos-pleyel_3512401_1698637.html)
So the only thing really left is the concert Hall.  This is why many people want to see it continuing as one of the flagship of classical music.

Good points and thanks for noting my date error - corrected to 1831.  Dave :)
Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 01, 2019, 10:30:59 AM
Well, back to the top after nearly 3 years - the quote below is a post I made nearly 4 years ago, I just added 2 more volumes of Pleyel's Prussian Quartets, Nos. 1-9 performed by the period instrument group Pleyel Quartett Köln, and now have all 3 CDs - as mentioned below Jerry Dubins left a rather scathing assessment of this group, mainly criticizing the period instrument performances - I've attached his review along others which are much more laudable; back in early 2015 a number of members 'chimed in' w/ their thoughts, so take a look if interested.  Although certainly not 'on par' w/ Haydn & Mozart in string writing, I find these works quite enjoyable and would have to agree w/ the more positive comments in the attached reviews.  Dave :)

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Back to the top for comments on the ongoing series below - has been a while!  :laugh:

Pleyel Quartett Köln from 2008-2014 has released the 3 CDs below of Pleyel's Prussian Quartets - Snyprrr back in 2009 seem to think that the third set below was second rate, and the reviews have been mixed - e.g. a positive MusicWeb review of Nos. 4-6 HERE (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2012/Aug12/Pleyel_quartets_7775512.htm); however, a scathing review of Nos. 7-9 by Jerry Dubins (attached) - are they really that bad!   ::)   Curious  - any comments from those who may own and/or have heard these works.  Thanks - Dave :)


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Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 04, 2021, 12:06:43 PM
Yet again, TTT!  :laugh:  In the last few days, I've been listening to my Pleyel collection (about 18 CDs), 8 being String Quartets & Quintets, which I decided to spin today - I've been leaving posts in the 'listening thread' but decided to repost here - some new info added, plus the attachments contain a LOT of reviews for those who like that approach.  Now listening to the last 3 discs and will do an upcoming post or two here.  Dave :)

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Pleyel, Ignaz (1757-1831) - Prussian String Quartets (B.331-339) w/ Pleyel Quartetto Köln on period instruments and gut strings.  Pleyel wrote about 70 String Quartets w/ Benton numbers (Source (https://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Ignaz_Pleyel)), although others state a somewhat smaller quantity (at least 50+).  The name derives from their dedication to Frederick Wilhelm II, successor of Frederick the Great in 1787; of course, Haydn and Mozart had their own Prussian Quartets, but Pleyel wrote a total of 12, 9 of which are performed in the recordings below.  About a half dozen reviews are attached virtually all quite positive and laudatory except the sole one by Jerry Dubins who seemed to have hated the recording w/ Nos. 7-9, raking the performers and instruments 'over the coals'; I think he woke up on the wrong side of the bed w/ wax in his ears, but just my two cents.  My collection contains 5 more discs of his String Quartets & Quintets (total of 24 - might just stop there!  ::))  Dave :)

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Pleyel, Ignaz (1757-1831) - String Quartets, Op. 2, Nos.1-6 w/ Ensō Quartet - well, I thought of just continuing w/ the rest of the discs in my collection of Pleyel's SQs - in the mid-1770s, Pleyel studied w/ Haydn for several years; his Op. 2 works were written in 1784 and are early in Pleyel's String Quartet composing; from the Benton Catalogue (https://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Ignaz_Pleyel), their numbers are B. 307-312.  Attached are a half dozen or so reviews for those interested - most are quite good except for some 'average' ratings by the All Music reviewers. Dave :)

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Title: Re: L' Salle Pleyel
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 04, 2021, 12:35:12 PM
Now listening to the CDs below:

Pleyel's String Quartets, B. 365-367 and String Quintets, B. 271-273 & B. 277-279 (B. refers to the Rita Benton Catalogue (https://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Ignaz_Pleyel) of his works); she includes about 70 (or more w/ A/B versions) String Quartets and over a dozen String Quintets (and more if Quintets w/ flute/oboe are added).

These 3 CDs are produced by Ars Produktion (https://www.ars-produktion.de/lounge/eng/index_eng.php) which has released nearly 20 recordings of Pleyel's compositions, shown in the bottom figure (click to enlarge, if interested).  About two-thirds of these are available on Spotify; many of the other discs are Symphonies, S. Concertantes, Concertos, and more string works.  Few seem to be available on Amazon USA or across the pond at the usual sites that I frequent, but there is an International Pleyel Society that has a shop w/ many recorded offerings - believe an upcoming post.  Dave :)

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Title: Re: Ignace Joseph Pleyel (1757-1831)
Post by: Scion7 on November 03, 2021, 07:45:03 PM
Gurn, any chance of re-titling this topic? 
I have it on good authority that Snyprrr was lured/abducted by a couple of female vampires to a cave in Silesia, where they drain him nightly of just enough blood to keep themselves alive, but not causing the death of the host . . . obviously, the lad won't be coming back to complain, the poor chap hanging upside down and bound to prevent escape.   :P