I've listened again to an album I bought some time ago when in St Petersburg - of piano music by Leonid Desyatnikov (performed by Ksenia Knorre and Alexey Goribol). I particularly enjoy his neo-classical Nachklange aus dem Theater: witty and tuneful (which makes him much closer to Poulenc than to Stravinsky, yet without his soft-centred sentimentality). I was originally interested in him because of the hoo-haah over an opera he wrote for Moscow's Bolshoi ('Mozart's Children', I think it was called; alas I never saw it), which is why I bought the album.
Anyway, it's made me think we've got a rather lop-sided view of Russian (or I mean, rather, former-Soviet composer) music, with a tendency to only hear the tenebrous and tortured style of such composers as Shostakovich, Silvestrov and Kancheli. I don't think Desyatnikov is trivial, but he manages somehow to 'say' things in a light manner. Any other composers like him?
I don't know this composer but some other modern Russians writing in a lighter style are Vladimir Martynov and Nikolai Korndorff. Both have written somewhat minimalist pieces, for example the hypnotic and beautiful "Come in!" by Martynov, and the Lullaby for 2 pianos by Korndorff.
Another is Alexandre Rabinovitch -- I've only heard what is on this (http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1461139/a/Pourquoi+je+suis+si+sentimental+%2F+Alexei+Lubimov.htm) CD, played by Alexei Lubimov; this disc also includes my favorite 'lighter composer' of recent years -- Georgs Pelecis. Though he is Latvian. :)
I'm sure there are more out there.
Another composer to watch (but who no longer lives in Russia) is Victoria Borisova-Ollas.
Her virtuosic orchestral piece "Wings of the Wind" was featured on an EMI "Debut Masterprize" disc and that is all I've heard -- but it made quite an impression! Her site is: http://www.borisova-ollas.com/ if you want more information.
BTW Maciek has started a thread about composers from Belarus: composers from that country seem to be writing mostly neo-classical or neo-romantic works; an example being Dmitry Lybin. That is not exactly on topic but I think somewhat close. :)
Here is the link (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1694.0.html).
Thanks for the tips, Xantus. I guess it'll be a while before I get to hear some of this music (all those names are new to me), but I look forward to getting hold of 'em!
What about Mosolov? I've heard bits of his piano music and it sounds pretty intriguing. Anyone more familiar with him?
Quote from: Kullervo on July 22, 2007, 10:37:56 AM
What about Mosolov? I've heard bits of his piano music and it sounds pretty intriguing. Anyone more familiar with him?
He's certainly intriguing. However I was actually after contemporary composers - my fault, I should have been more careful in labelling the thread.
Quote from: Kullervo on July 22, 2007, 10:37:56 AM
What about Mosolov? I've heard bits of his piano music and it sounds pretty intriguing. Anyone more familiar with him?
His
Iron Foundry (from 1927!) is pure genius. I think Mosolov can be ranked alongside Varese. Amazingly enough, he died in 1973 - so he's
almost contemporary. ;)
Quote from: Pierre on July 22, 2007, 10:48:09 AM
However I was actually after contemporary composers - my fault, I should have been more careful in labelling the thread.
You should try Boris Tishchenko. He was Shostakovich's closest--and I think favourite--pupil, and has released a book of his correspondence with him. His works are long, ingeniously devised pieces for solo, chamber and orchestral forces. They often start out with a very simple theme, or perhaps more accuriately a fragment of a theme, and build up to very powerful emotional climaxes before subsiding. Perhaps his best known work--and my favourite by far--is his Violin Concerto 2, once available on Olympia but long out-of-print. It is a 50 minute work which ranges from impish fun to harrowing outbursts (and if I'm going to be honest, the second movement violin cadenza is rather tiresome) and overall it has a very strong impact. It's gained something of a cult following in the classical music world (several posters at RMCR love it too). Other than that, Russiandvd offer(ed) a disc containing his Harp Concerto (wonderful) and his early cello concerto played by Rostropovich (excellent too, intense as usual, I think you can stream this disc from their website). The Russian label Northern Flowers has released several recordings including a few symphonies and a ballet (I heard the ballet but it didn't leave much of an impression at the time). There's also a disc of Rostropovich conducting his Cello Concerto nr. 2 and this one I found just plain awful -- too repetitive (he often repeats figures to build them up, and it went way too far here IMO) and not as intense as I'd like. Olympia also released his Sym 5 conducted by Rozhdestvensky but I haven't heard that one. I've heard a couple CDs of his piano sontas too -- one of them with bells, a huge 50 minute piece which I found more testing than reading The Anatomy of Melancholy. I listened to it twice -- never again.
If you like Shostakovich, you might like Tishchenko, as he shares a similar feel in terms of humour and intensity. Of course you probably don't want this, so I'll cut to the chase.
To sum up: look for the VC 2, see if you can stream his Harp Concerto from Russian DVD (I seem to recall that it wasn't possible to play all of it but I tried that years ago before buying the disc), and perhaps try some of the new releases from Russian Flowers. I believe one of the releases contains his Blockade Symphony and that should be worth hearing.
EDIT: someone is selling the Olympia discs on Ebay now, including the VC2.
And don't forget the Naxos recording of Tishchenko's Seventh, surely the cheapest and most available of his works. I don't think it's a masterpiece, but I give it a spin once in a while.
Quote from: sidoze on July 22, 2007, 11:12:40 AM
EDIT: someone is selling the Olympia discs on Ebay now, including the VC2.
Sidoze - thanks for the tip-off, but alas my bid wasn't high enough to outbid the guy who got there first. I'll look out for those, though.
Quote from: edward on July 22, 2007, 11:22:08 AM
And don't forget the Naxos recording of Tishchenko's Seventh, surely the cheapest and most available of his works. I don't think it's a masterpiece, but I give it a spin once in a while.
I forgot about that one. It's makes for a good listen, fun, beautiful at times and entertaining with novel touches. I think of it as if he wrote it for children, but maybe that's just me. I think it's far off the pace of VC 2 though, which could be argued to be a modern masterpiece I guess. I wish I had a copy of it right now ::)
Quote from: sidoze on July 22, 2007, 01:46:10 PM
It's makes for a good listen, fun, beautiful at times and entertaining with novel touches.
You mean the whizzing bits, what on earth he used there? I have that and the Cello Concerto and none of them made me wish to explore Tishchenko any further.
If you're looking for a slightly lighter Soviet composer, you might try Andrei Eshpai--he has a number of accessible symphonies, and various orchestral works that, though informed by folk material, are several steps above socialist realism. I recently heard his ballet "A Circle: Apocalypse," a sometimes bizarre concoction of 70's fusion jazz and brass-heavy, Shostakovich-style orchestral bombast. One of his best-known pieces, the Concerto Grosso for Trumpet, Piano, Vibraphone, and Double-Bass, is excellent, and in my opinion is just as good, if not better than, Leonard Bernstein's attempts at classical-jazz fusion. He has also a good saxophone concerto.
I've tried to listen to as much Mossolov as I can find. His Piano Concerto #1 is sometimes staggering, and contains a final, pseudo-jazzy scherzo movement with virtuosic woodwind writing that is just mind-boggling (it's available on a rare Melodiya CD). I've heard a number of his piano sonatas, some songs, a couple of quartets, and miscellaneous piano music--it's all valuable, though I think he was so wrapped up in modernism that he was incapable of writing quiet music. Even his Nocturnes for Piano are noisy. His short opera, "The Hero," was revived in Germany in 1989, and supposedly is brilliant. Unfortunately, as far as I know some of his works are lost (i.e., some of the symphonies), and after the 30s he was "rehabilitated" by the Stalinists (i.e., sent to a concentration camp), and thereafter had to abandon his modernist ways. His Cello Concerto of the late 1930s is dull and hardly recognizable as an authentic work.
I recall reading an excerpt from one of Prokofiev's diaries of the 1920's, where he described judging a piano competition of various up-and-coming Soviet composers. Prokofiev ranked Mossolov at the top, and recommended him even above Shostakovich as the young composer to watch.
Andrew
Quote from: Drasko on July 22, 2007, 01:53:43 PM
You mean the whizzing bits, what on earth he used there?
If you mean that part in the first movement, I believe it's from trombone glissandi. I no longer have the recording though.
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I have that and the Cello Concerto and none of them made me wish to explore Tishchenko any further.
The first cello concerto (with Rostropovich)? That's a good one, but not a mature work. I think he was in his late teens or early twenties when he finished it. Still, it's a lot better than the later one IMO.
QuoteHis Piano Concerto #1 is sometimes staggering, and contains a final, pseudo-jazzy scherzo movement with virtuosic woodwind writing that is just mind-boggling (it's available on a rare Melodiya CD).
Would it be at all possible to upload that for us to hear? I didn't even know he wrote PCs.
I'll upload the Mosolov PC 1 if someone hasn't already -- is SendSpace okay?
It's a great piece, full of energy.
Here it is, if something is wrong I will re-upload...
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. I mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6qlkes
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. II mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jplyy8
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. III mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4essez
Quote from: Xantus' Murrelet on July 24, 2007, 07:24:59 AM
Here it is, if something is wrong I will re-upload...
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. I mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6qlkes
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. II mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jplyy8
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. III mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4essez
Great, thanks!
Quote from: Xantus' Murrelet on July 24, 2007, 07:24:59 AM
Here it is, if something is wrong I will re-upload...
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. I mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6qlkes
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. II mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jplyy8
Piano concerto N.1 op.14. III mov. (1926-27).mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4essez
Thanks Chris.
Enjoy! :)
Another composer who I forgot about is Alexander Knaifel. He is a versatile composer but most of the music I've heard by him could be likened to something quasi-'holy minimalist' but that is just a vague hint. His piece "Psalm 51", for solo cello was recorded by Rostropovich and it is a huge, meditative, expansive work. This is on the "Amicte Sole" CD; that piece too is long and meditative, perhaps 'spiritual' is a good word by I mean it only as a hint of the flavor of the music.
There are very good reviews of Knaifel's music on Amazon, I will find links to them (or if someone else feels like it, go ahead! :) )
Here are the two best-known Knaifel CDs with reviews:
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/31J06T4XHJL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Alexander-Knaifel-Amicta-Mstislav-Rostropovich/dp/B000786JC8)
(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/21RE1SCAABL._AA240_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Alexander-Knaifel-Svete-Tikhiy/dp/B000066IDK/ref=pd_bxgy_m_text_b/102-9131895-3234507)
I'm listening to Amicta Sole again and it is quite beautiful... I would strongly recommend it to anyone who likes Gorecki 3, John Tavener's best choral works, and so on. For anyone who is mistrustful of those, stay away. :p
Guys, Pierre asked us to discuss Russian composers who are already dead over here:
Modern Russian composers (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,2315.0.html)
Yes, true, the Mosolov stuff should be in that thread. Anyway, Knaifel is very much alive. :)
As for my earlier comparison, I think now it is pretty inaccurate. His music is actually more abstract, especially the instrumental passages. Nevertheless, his music is usually immediately emotionally affecting and well worth seeking out... any other fans out there?
FWIW, the Amicta Sole disc has been on my wishlist for at least a year now. ;D
For the slightly modern and easy to listen to music I can recommend Mikhail Bronner. Both violin concertos ("Lonely voice" and "Heaven's gate") fit that description.
Anyone mentioned Sofia Gubaidulina? The "Offertorium" is nice.
If you like depressive and very slow, calm and monotonous music, go for Giya Kancheli.
vc, Kancheli isn't a Russian composer!
Thank you very much for the Mosolov PC. I'm looking forward to hearing that :)
I agree Gubaidulina's Offertorium is a lovely work. The ending, like an extended coda, is achingly beautiful, something I just wouldn't expect from a late 20th century piece. Also her Rejoice!, a piece for violin and cello, very intense and spiritual (as usual).
Quote from: Maciek on July 25, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
vc, Kancheli isn't a Russian composer!
You mean "Russian composer" as from the area named "Russia" after 1991? Because when Kancheli was born in 1935, Georgia was a part of the USSR, sloppy titled "Russia"...
Quote from: violinconcerto on July 25, 2007, 04:44:44 AM
You mean "Russian composer" as from the area named "Russia" after 1991? Because when Kancheli was born in 1935, Georgia was a part of the USSR, sloppy titled "Russia"...
Referring to the USSR as "Russia," though common among geographically-challenged foreigners, is indeed sloppy.
But how nitpicky do you want to get? Some Russian composers are
rossianie (Russian citizens) but not
russkiye (ethnic Russians). Gubaidulina is a perfect example - she's a Tatar. Schnittke was basically a German Jew (not sure of his official nationality, though). And Eshpai is a Mari (a Finno-Ugric people living near the Volga).
I don't want to get nitpicky, but I just wanted to ask how "Russian" a person is, who was born in the USSR? Does the future change all in the view? So Kancheli is born in the USSR, so in his lifetime till 1991 he was called a "Russian" (I would think). After that he changed to a Georgian. So he isn't a Russian anymore, but most of his lifetime he was. So I think he fits in this thread.
Quote from: violinconcerto on July 25, 2007, 05:31:30 AM
I don't want to get nitpicky, but I just wanted to ask how "Russian" a person is, who was born in the USSR? Does the future change all in the view? So Kancheli is born in the USSR, so in his lifetime till 1991 he was called a "Russian" (I would think). After that he changed to a Georgian. So he isn't a Russian anymore, but most of his lifetime he was. So I think he fits in this thread.
Kancheli was never not a Georgian. Nationality pre-dated the USSR, and was a recognized category within the USSR. Even in the most hardcore Stalinist times, he would still have been a Georgian; that would be the nationality listed on his "internal passport." (BTW, Stalin himself was Georgian.)
Yes, one could be born in Georgia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan or wherever, and be of "Russian nationality." But that sort of thing was determined by your ethnic origins, and how you regarded yourself. Most people were of the local nationality in their republics.
People sometimes changed their nationalities, for various reasons. But I doubt that would apply to Kancheli.
Kancheli lives in Antwerp/Belgium now. He shops in the same supermarket as I do....
(http://www.amarcord.be/georgia/kancheli/kanche01.jpg)
Kancheli with friends in Antwerp 2002
Kancheli left Georgia in 1991, and has lived in western Europe ever since. He and his family first went to live in Berlin, where he received a grant from the German Academic Exchange Service. In 1995-96 he was composer-in-residence at the Royal Flemish Philharmonic
Orchestra in Antwerp, where he continues to live and work.
see also : http://www.schirmer.com/default.aspx?TabId=2419&State_2872=2&ComposerId_2872=2423
Quote from: violinconcerto on July 24, 2007, 11:00:10 PM
For the slightly modern and easy to listen to music I can recommend Mikhail Bronner. Both violin concertos ("Lonely voice" and "Heaven's gate") fit that description.
Anyone mentioned Sofia Gubaidulina? The "Offertorium" is nice.
If you like depressive and very slow, calm and monotonous music, go for Giya Kancheli.
Oh Yes....two Phoenix USA discs VIOLIN CONCERTOS
PHCD 153
ARUTIUNIAN "ARMENIA 88
VASKS "DISTANT LIGHT"
BRONNER "HEAVEN'S GATES"
PHCD 159
BRONNER "LONELY VOICE"
A. TCHAIKOVSKY "DISTANT DREAMS OF CHILDHOOD"
VASKS "MUSICA DOLOROSA"
BOTH GREAT DISCS.....
I WANT THOSE ! OMG !
I know the Vasks pieces but the others are so tempting.
Bumping an old thread to see if there is anyone who can recommend me pieces to listen to by Kourliandski?
Wow, Jessop, you've dug up a thread that's nine years old. Unfortunately, I don't know hardly any Contemporary Russian composers.
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 13, 2016, 07:36:58 PM
Wow, Jessop, you've dug up a thread that's nine years old. Unfortunately, I don't know hardly any Contemporary Russian composers.
Haha, well there was no Kourliandski thread but there was THIS one in the thread index for this subforum so it was only a few clicks away.
Quote from: jessop on December 13, 2016, 07:38:25 PM
Haha, well there was no Kourliandski thread but there was THIS one in the thread index for this subforum so it was only a few clicks away.
Cool, well tell us about Kourliandski. What's his/her style like?
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 13, 2016, 07:42:07 PM
Cool, well tell us about Kourliandski. What's his/her style like?
Okay well I've only heard one piece so far which is an acousmatic work with a title that has an obvious inspiration: 'The Riot of Spring.' It's a bit half an hour long. There are some non-classical influences in the work including some sections which prominently feature sampled drum kit. For an acousmatic piece of music, Kourliandski is certainly not afraid to highlight a rhythmic pulse at times, but often the rhythms end up being irregular, with asymmetrical patterns. It's a really fun piece of music but I don't know if it's exactly the kind of thing you'd be into, MI. :)
Quote from: jessop on December 13, 2016, 08:00:42 PM
Okay well I've only heard one piece so far which is an acousmatic work with a title that has an obvious inspiration: 'The Riot of Spring.' It's a bit half an hour long. There are some non-classical influences in the work including some sections which prominently feature sampled drum kit. For an acousmatic piece of music, Kourliandski is certainly not afraid to highlight a rhythmic pulse at times, but often the rhythms end up being irregular, with asymmetrical patterns. It's a really fun piece of music but I don't know if it's exactly the kind of thing you'd be into, MI. :)
Okay, thanks for the feedback, Jessop. 8)