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Title: Frank Bridge
Post by: tjguitar on May 04, 2007, 04:29:57 PM
I was listening to The Sea (Vernon Handley/Ulster Orchestra on Chandos 'Works of the Sea' Compilation) today..love it!


I also have the Naxos/James Judd CD of the work w/ a few other pieces such as Summer and Enter Spring which I like.


Does anyone else listen to Bridge?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Bogey on May 04, 2007, 04:37:03 PM
I have this and enjoy it:

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/516VY90B2SL._AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: tjguitar on May 04, 2007, 04:43:12 PM
I have this and enjoy it:

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/516VY90B2SL._AA240_.jpg)

Ah, thats the one I have, well, I have the recently reissued one which tacked on one of Stanford's Irish Rhapsodies at the end:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/416SdSkhFEL._AA240_.jpg)

It's good music.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Bogey on May 04, 2007, 04:52:08 PM
Have not explored his music any further....I enjoyed the above piece, so it was probably due to just too many other new (to me) composers/pieces on my radar.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Nunc Dimittis on May 04, 2007, 07:19:57 PM
I have this and enjoy it:

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/516VY90B2SL._AA240_.jpg)

That CD was my first exposure to Bridge.  I bought it for the Bax and the Britten, but was taken in by Bridge's piece the first time I heard it.  I have since explored quite a bit of his music.  For those new to his music, beware, his music falls into three phases:  impressionistic, English pastoral and in his later years, very knotty and harmonically adverturous.  That last period is pretty much anything written after WWI.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: johnQpublic on May 05, 2007, 03:32:19 AM
For those new to his music, beware, his music falls into three phases:  impressionistic, English pastoral and in his later years, very knotty and harmonically adventurous.  That last period is pretty much anything written after WWI.

While I'm not sure there's three phases (I see two) I would agree that the final phase is more modern and may surprise/disappoint the conservative listener....and yet it's his most interesting one for me.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2007, 10:36:03 AM
"The Sea", "Enter Spring" and "Oration" are all masterpieces.  The latter two, in particular, should be much better known.  "Oration" is a haunting lament for the fallen of World War One (including friends of the composer), it contains a most beautifully consoling epilogue (apparently an afterthought), which, for me, is one of the great moments in all music.

I've just ordered a new Dutton release of Bridge conducting "The Sea" which I'm looking forward to hearing.

The CD below is a fine introduction to Bridge and contains both "The Sea" and "Enter Spring" in good performances.  There are a number of CD versions of "Oration" but it may be worth waiting for Lyrita to issue their excellent recording in the next year.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bridge-Orchestral-Works-Frank/dp/B00000C2J6/ref=sr_1_2/202-5432101-9636610?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1178393331&sr=1-2
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: sound67 on May 05, 2007, 10:48:51 AM
"The Sea", "Enter Spring" and "Oration" are all masterpieces. 

Indeed they are. Another is his quasi-Piano Concerto "Phantasm". Mind though that "The Sea" is an earlier work and rather different from Bridge's later masterpieces, which tend to be more demanding.

Bridge also wrote some fine music for string quartet, and good songs, too.

Thomas
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: tjguitar on May 05, 2007, 10:53:35 AM
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Another is his quasi-Piano Concerto "Phantasm"

Do you recommend any recordings of this?


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There are a number of CD versions of "Oration" but it may be worth waiting for Lyrita to issue their excellent recording in the next year.

Do you know when this planned for release? Also when it was recorded? I'm guessing this is one of those Lyrita's that was only available on LP?

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: springrite on May 05, 2007, 10:56:36 AM
Bridge also wrote some fine music for string quartet, and good songs, too.


Yes indeed. The Fantasy Trio, Piano Quintet are masterpieces that were my introduction to Bridge. Vanessa's favorite is The Sea. My current favorite is Oration.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: sound67 on May 05, 2007, 11:31:09 AM
Do you recommend any recordings of this?

There are several recordings, but my favorite (Kathryn Stott/Vernon Handley) has long been out of print. Apparently, the only one still available is one of the entries in Richard Hickox' series of Bridge orchestral works from Chandos:

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/9590269.jpg)

I doubt that it could rival Stott/Handley, but Shelley is a fine pianist so it shouldn't be bad.

Thomas
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: 71 dB on May 05, 2007, 12:56:39 PM
I have 2 works by Frank Bridge:

Piano Quintet - Allan Schiller/Coull String Quartet [ASV]
Lament - Capella Istropolitana/Adrian Leaper [Naxos]

I have to say I have never really explored this composer. ::)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: gomro on May 05, 2007, 02:13:11 PM
I was listening to The Sea (Vernon Handley/Ulster Orchestra on Chandos 'Works of the Sea' Compilation) today..love it!


I also have the Naxos/James Judd CD of the work w/ a few other pieces such as Summer and Enter Spring which I like.


Does anyone else listen to Bridge?

For years I've realized that I need to look into this composer more completely, but just never have done so. The only work I've ever heard by him was a piece for piano and orchestra titled Phantasm; more tone poem than concerto, it was a wonderful thing. But, as I said, I just haven't followed it up...not sure why, maybe because I don't have unlimited funds and I'm always finding other things to look into. The curse of the eclectic music lover.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on May 05, 2007, 11:03:19 PM
Do you recommend any recordings of this?


Do you know when this planned for release? Also when it was recorded? I'm guessing this is one of those Lyrita's that was only available on LP?



Re: Oration

No mention yet from Lyrita about this although I'll try to find out as they helpfully respond to enquiries. The whole back catalogue should be reissued over the next 16 months I think. The recording must be late 70s or early 80s (my LP is somewhere in the attic!) but the performer was Julian Lloyd Webber with the LPO and Nicholas Braithwaite.

If you don't want to wait, the Chandos recording is very good and there was an excellent EMI one (Isserlis/Hickox) which is, unfortunately, long deleted.

The following article is interesting and informative:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/bridge/chapt3.htm


and here is the new Dutton release of Bridge conducting "The Sea"

http://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=CDBP9777
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on May 06, 2007, 08:57:54 AM
Here's linka to the old forum threads:
http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,7542.0.html
http://www.good-music-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,4767.0.html

Isn't that Kathryn Stott CD fantastic?! I adore that origial version of the Walton Sinfonia concertante too. Her playing is superb (the disc can be found second hand on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/203-9370889-7535931?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bridge+walton+ireland)

I just heard Colin Carr play Oration in Manchester yesterday - he did a brilliant job, the coda being especially moving.

The cello Sonata is one of the finest pieces of chamber music that I have ever heard - The second movement was the first thing he wrote after finding out that all his friends had been killed in a first world war raid. Incredibly sad and beautiful.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on May 06, 2007, 08:58:20 AM
Also the second Piano trio is amazing.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on May 08, 2007, 04:09:25 AM
Do you recommend any recordings of this?


Do you know when this planned for release? Also when it was recorded? I'm guessing this is one of those Lyrita's that was only available on LP?



Oration to be released by Lyrita Feb 2008.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2007, 08:57:23 AM
Also the second Piano trio is amazing.

This seems to be his keystone work, indeed much more than the rather manufactured Vienese quartets. I bought the Chandos recording coupled with the inebriated Bax trio.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: tjguitar on May 08, 2007, 02:25:26 PM
I bought the Chandos recording coupled with the inebriated Bax trio.

I can't seem to find that on Amazon.  Is it OOP?


TJ
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on May 08, 2007, 02:42:54 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Trio-No2-Phantasy-quartet/dp/B00005AULJ/ref=sr_1_1/102-3810771-9378539?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1178667740&sr=8-1

That is a great recording and its dirt cheap too.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2007, 11:35:57 PM
I can't seem to find that on Amazon.  Is it OOP?TJ

Sorry, I can't help- I bought in during a serious Bax phase about 18 years ago.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on September 13, 2008, 05:26:26 PM
Not sure how this passed me by, but Bridge's superb piano sonata is finally available on Naxos.

http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.557921#

The other two recordings have been out of print for ages, so this is really good news. Couplings good too - I especially like the Lament and the Left Hand piano pieces.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 14, 2008, 12:29:59 PM
Not sure how this passed me by, but Bridge's superb piano sonata is finally available on Naxos.

http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.557921#

The other two recordings have been out of print for ages, so this is really good news. Couplings good too - I especially like the Lament and the Left Hand piano pieces.

Thanks for this info. I'll investigate in due course. Bridge was a fine, albeit sometimes 'demanding' composer. But I suspect that Oration, Enter Spring and The Sea will remain my favourites.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: tjguitar on October 25, 2008, 12:30:25 PM
Oration to be released by Lyrita Feb 2008.


I have finally ordered this one. I will comment when it arrives. I love the sound clips. I'm already familiar with Phantasm on Conifer, but it should be nice to hear another performance, but I'm most looking forward to the Oration piece. :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Dundonnell on October 25, 2008, 12:43:28 PM
I have two performances of Bridge's 'Oration' on disc. The Alban Gerhardt on Chandos is one but the other is a quite superb but possibly now unobtainable performance by Alexander Baillie with the Cologne Radio Symphony Orchestra(as then was) conducted by John Carewe, coupled with 'Enter Spring' on the Pearl label.

Baillie is a fine cellist(he recorded the Rawsthorne for Naxos) of whom we should hear more! Guido...opinion?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on October 25, 2008, 03:39:50 PM
I have two performances of Bridge's 'Oration' on disc. The Alban Gerhardt on Chandos is one but the other is a quite superb but possibly now unobtainable performance by Alexander Baillie with the Cologne Radio Symphony Orchestra(as then was) conducted by John Carewe, coupled with 'Enter Spring' on the Pearl label.

Baillie is a fine cellist(he recorded the Rawsthorne for Naxos) of whom we should hear more! Guido...opinion?

Yes he is great - I haven't heard his Oration, but have him playing the Rawsthorne, Bernard Stevens, Matthews no.1, Stanford, Keal and Crosse concertos. His technical facility is truly remarkable, and his sound very beautiful. He's completely mad though! Maybe I'll search out his Oration. I too have Gerhardt in this piece, who plays it splendidly, and also Isserlis who's account is wonderful as far as I can remember - haven't heard it for a while. Isserlis is the only person who couples it very logically with Britten's cello symphony - the comparison of these two tough masterpieces is very illuminating, both the finest purely instrumental work in their respective composer's oevre, and not enough has been said I think of the link between the earlier work to the latter. Wallfisch's recent account of Oration is also meant to be quite fine, though I haven't heard it.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Dundonnell on October 25, 2008, 05:35:51 PM
Baillie is "completely mad"?

Come on...you can't leave it like that ;D   Explain :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on October 26, 2008, 06:06:10 AM
Baillie is "completely mad"?

Come on...you can't leave it like that ;D   Explain :)

It's sort of difficult to explain without seeing him, but he is a true british eccentric.

(http://www.transartuk.com/baillie/baillie.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: schweitzeralan on April 22, 2009, 03:34:55 PM
Although I realize there was a thread on Bridge, I was advised to give a new posting on this British composer given that the thread conceived a while ago.  Several, indeed, many postings praised Bridge's work.  I was listenng today several of bridge's orchestral and pianistic works; and, I was absorbed within the complex orchestral nuances of several works; viz, "The Sea," ""Summer," "Dance Rhapsody," the "Piano Sonata" plus several other pieces.  They are all wonderful works.  Previous postings emphasized that "Enter Spring" is an absolute masterpiece. I totally agree. Much could be written about this superb composer.  What prompted me to post this was my reaction to one of the pieces; namely, the first of the two "Poems for Orchestra."  Not the glittering virtuosity of "The Sea," or "enter Spring," perhaps; however, this one achievement is a wonderful colored, nuanced, even Debussyian, impressionistic dream work. I am unfamiliar with "Oration," a later composition of Bridge (1930).  Bridge apparently had undergone three "periods;" not unlike Stravinsky,  or the painter Picasso (any others?)
Although perhaps not as prevalent as VW, Bax, Scott, Howells, or Britten, Bridge is a significant and poweful voice in English music.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on April 22, 2009, 11:47:08 PM
Oration is a wonderful work - perhaps Bridge's masterpiece. It is a memorial to the fallen of World War One and the twilight epilogue (an afterthought apparently) is one of my favourite moments in 20th century music - very moving.  There are a number of good performances. The recently reissued EMI version conducted by Richard Hickox  and with Stephen Isserlis on the cello is my favourite (City of London Sinfonia).  The Lyrita version (Lloyd-Weber/Braithwaite) is first rate too. Hickox's later version on Chandos is also excellent; the work is well served on disc. The version below is also the least expensive.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: springrite on April 23, 2009, 12:06:46 AM
Certainly one of the most underrated "known" composers in history. I remember posting on the old Bridge thread. His relative neglect during his lifetime is understandable, if only because he lived in Britain. But his subsequent neglect until now is somewhat buffling. Oration is indeed his masterpiece. Both his orchestral works and chamber music are beautiful works. I have just recently gotten into his piano works as well. The problem seems to be that he is "known" already. So the revivals of neglected composers nowadays, which mainly focus on composers "unjustly neglected" does not include him. Known but not fully appreciated, marginalised but not completely forgotten, neglected but not dismissed, Bridge is thus forever placed in the never-never-land of music.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: schweitzeralan on April 23, 2009, 03:07:17 AM
Oration is a wonderful work - perhaps Bridge's masterpiece. It is a memorial to the fallen of World War One and the twilight epilogue (an afterthought apparently) is one of my favourite moments in 20th century music - very moving.  There are a number of good performances. The recently reissued EMI version conducted by Richard Hickox  and with Stephen Isserlis on the cello is my favourite (City of London Sinfonia).  The Lyrita version (Lloyd-Weber/Braithwaite) is first rate too. Hickox's later version on Chandos is also excellent; the work is well served on disc. The version below is also the least expensive.

I shall indeed try to get his "Oration"  I didn't even know of it until I saw the work mentioned in the various postings. Thanks.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Dundonnell on April 23, 2009, 03:26:31 AM
Certainly one of the most underrated "known" composers in history. I remember posting on the old Bridge thread. His relative neglect during his lifetime is understandable, if only because he lived in Britain. But his subsequent neglect until now is somewhat buffling. Oration is indeed his masterpiece. Both his orchestral works and chamber music are beautiful works. I have just recently gotten into his piano works as well. The problem seems to be that he is "known" already. So the revivals of neglected composers nowadays, which mainly focus on composers "unjustly neglected" does not include him. Known but not fully appreciated, marginalised but not completely forgotten, neglected but not dismissed, Bridge is thus forever placed in the never-never-land of music.

This is an extremely perceptive post!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: DavidRoss on April 23, 2009, 03:41:06 AM
A fave:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AH0Y1KT3L._SS400_.jpg)
Oration is now in my shopping cart.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: schweitzeralan on April 23, 2009, 04:14:45 AM
Certainly one of the most underrated "known" composers in history. I remember posting on the old Bridge thread. His relative neglect during his lifetime is understandable, if only because he lived in Britain. But his subsequent neglect until now is somewhat buffling. Oration is indeed his masterpiece. Both his orchestral works and chamber music are beautiful works. I have just recently gotten into his piano works as well. The problem seems to be that he is "known" already. So the revivals of neglected composers nowadays, which mainly focus on composers "unjustly neglected" does not include him. Known but not fully appreciated, marginalised but not completely forgotten, neglected but not dismissed, Bridge is thus forever placed in the never-never-land of music.

It is indeed a pity he is not given more attention.  Fortunately there are the recordings; but he is certainly no "household word" for the given or even the reasonably "informed" public.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Brewski on April 23, 2009, 05:08:34 AM
My first experience with Bridge was on an old English Chamber Orchestra recording, IIRC, with a dashing performance of Sir Roger de Coverley, his "Christmas dance."  Since then I've heard some of his string quartets but not much else, so I'm looking at this thread with interest.

(PS, I took the liberty of merging this with the old Bridge thread...please continue.  :))

--Bruce
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 23, 2009, 11:52:06 AM
Thanks for reactivating this post - I would like to join the thread to supplement my meager collection of Bridge's works; just have five discs, and this afternoon listened to the chamber recordings shown below (a post made earlier to the 'listening thread') - excellent!  Now have the EMI disc playing of some of the orchestral pieces (The Sea, Summer, etc.), which was also discussed; but, I do not own, the Oration, so will also put that one on my 'want list' -  :D

Bridge, Frank (1879-1941) - stimulated by the 'new' thread on this composer, I decided to listen to the handful of CDs in my collection - think that I need more!  :D

String Sextet & Quintet w/ the Raphael Ensemble - love this group, and excellent in this repertoire!

Piano Trio No. 1 & 2; Piano Quartet w/ the Dartington Piano Trio + Patrick Ireland - listening to this disc @ the moment -  :)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4161WT5S3SL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TQVSW35XL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Bulldog on April 23, 2009, 12:03:00 PM
Thanks for reactivating this post - I would like to join the thread to supplement my meager collection of Bridge's works; just have five discs, and this afternoon listened to the chamber recordings shown below (a post made earlier to the 'listening thread') - excellent!  Now have the EMI disc playing of some of the orchestral pieces (The Sea, Summer, etc.), which was also discussed; but, I do not own, the Oration, so will also put that one on my 'want list' -  :D

Bridge, Frank (1879-1941) - stimulated by the 'new' thread on this composer, I decided to listen to the handful of CDs in my collection - think that I need more!  :D

String Sextet & Quintet w/ the Raphael Ensemble - love this group, and excellent in this repertoire!

Piano Trio No. 1 & 2; Piano Quartet w/ the Dartington Piano Trio + Patrick Ireland - listening to this disc @ the moment -  :)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4161WT5S3SL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TQVSW35XL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Dave:

And I thought my Bridge collection of 20 recordings was on the light side.  You need to step it up.  Get the string quartets and the Chandos orchestral series.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: schweitzeralan on April 23, 2009, 01:32:02 PM
For years I've realized that I need to look into this composer more completely, but just never have done so. The only work I've ever heard by him was a piece for piano and orchestra titled Phantasm; more tone poem than concerto, it was a wonderful thing. But, as I said, I just haven't followed it up...not sure why, maybe because I don't have unlimited funds and I'm always finding other things to look into. The curse of the eclectic music lover.

Phantsm is a wonderful work.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 23, 2009, 02:22:59 PM
Dave:

And I thought my Bridge collection of 20 recordings was on the light side.  You need to step it up.  Get the string quartets and the Chandos orchestral series.

Don - your right!  :D  Just own 2 other discs of Bridge's works, including a couple of SQs - need to pick up Oration first, though.  Now I have a lot of English composers in my collection, but somehow Bridge has been off my radar screen - must correct immediately! Dave  :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: springrite on April 23, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
Phantsm is a wonderful work.

It is indeed! When it comes to my favorite Bridge work, I waver between Oration and Phantasm. They are both great!

BTW, the first Bridge work that attracted me was the Fantasy Trio. As it turns out, that was one of Bridge's earlier works, more conventional in nature designed to win the competition and earn himself the award money. It gave little indication of what was to come.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on April 24, 2009, 01:26:58 AM
It is indeed! When it comes to my favorite Bridge work, I waver between Oration and Phantasm. They are both great!

BTW, the first Bridge work that attracted me was the Fantasy Trio. As it turns out, that was one of Bridge's earlier works, more conventional in nature designed to win the competition and earn himself the award money. It gave little indication of what was to come.

Oration and Phantasm can be found together on this excellent CD:

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on April 24, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
Oration and Phantasm can be found together on this excellent CD:

Does anyone else think that that Art Nouveau design is peculiarly apt for Bridge's music? (Peculiar because it's the wrong time and wrong country...)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: karlhenning on June 14, 2009, 07:06:56 AM
"Oration" is a haunting lament for the fallen of World War One (including friends of the composer), it contains a most beautifully consoling epilogue (apparently an afterthought), which, for me, is one of the great moments in all music.

I heard that one live here in Sanders Theatre; it is a magnificent piece.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: secondwind on July 16, 2009, 06:00:25 PM
I was listening yesterday to a Chandos disc with some of Bridge's orchestral works (Vol. 5), including the Suite for Strings, Two Intermezzi from 'Threads', and a charming Valse Intermezzo.  It also had some songs accompanied by orchestra, including my favorite, The Hag, which I played at full volume for my husband apropos of a troublesome colleague of his. >:D  I was reminded of how much I have liked the little bit of Bridge's music that I've heard.  After reading some of the posts on this thread, I think I'll need to get my hands on a recording of Oration next--maybe the EMI version referenced by vandermolen since I'm partial to Steven Isserlis.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: snyprrr on July 16, 2009, 07:42:48 PM
Are either SQ No.1 or No.2 anywhere near a country masterpiece? meaning, Pastoralismo.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on July 16, 2009, 11:52:11 PM
I was listening yesterday to a Chandos disc with some of Bridge's orchestral works (Vol. 5), including the Suite for Strings, Two Intermezzi from 'Threads', and a charming Valse Intermezzo.  It also had some songs accompanied by orchestra, including my favorite, The Hag, which I played at full volume for my husband apropos of a troublesome colleague of his. >:D  I was reminded of how much I have liked the little bit of Bridge's music that I've heard.  After reading some of the posts on this thread, I think I'll need to get my hands on a recording of Oration next--maybe the EMI version referenced by vandermolen since I'm partial to Steven Isserlis.

Yes, you should enjoy the Isserlis version of Oration.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Scarpia on November 28, 2009, 08:08:12 PM
Just listened to some chamber music of Frank Bridge

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TQVSW35XL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

I see it has already been mentioned on this thread.  Superb music and a great performance.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Lethevich on November 29, 2009, 01:53:28 AM
Just listened to some chamber music of Frank Bridge

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TQVSW35XL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

I see it has already been mentioned on this thread.  Superb music and a great performance.
Welcome back, and glad you took the plunge with Bridge (even if not with Langgaard :P)!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on November 29, 2009, 03:59:27 AM
Just listened to some chamber music of Frank Bridge

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TQVSW35XL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

I see it has already been mentioned on this thread.  Superb music and a great performance.

This is a very good CD. I like Bridge more and more.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Scarpia on November 29, 2009, 08:50:12 AM
Welcome back, and glad you took the plunge with Bridge (even if not with Langgaard :P)!

Thanks.  It always shocks me when someone shows evidence of having remembered something I've rashly posted on this forum.   ;D
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Scarpia on December 20, 2009, 10:48:40 AM
This is a very good CD. I like Bridge more and more.

Finished some repeated listenings to the Hyperion/Helios set.  If anything, I like the later more modern piece best, but there is a strange engineering issue with this set.  Typical piano trio recordings have the piano at center, violin at left and cello at right stage.  For the first 7 tracks on the disc (the two phantasy trios and the first movement of the Trio number 2) there is an atypical sound stage with violin and cello both far right and piano left-center.  Starting with the second movement of the Trio number two, it abruptly switches to the more satisfactory, traditional scheme, with the violin at stage left.  It is a bit disorienting, and reduces the impact of the first two pieces.  A very odd choice.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on December 20, 2009, 11:50:41 AM
Finished some repeated listenings to the Hyperion/Helios set.  If anything, I like the later more modern piece best, but there is a strange engineering issue with this set.  Typical piano trio recordings have the piano at center, violin at left and cello at right stage.  For the first 7 tracks on the disc (the two phantasy trios and the first movement of the Trio number 2) there is an atypical sound stage with violin and cello both far right and piano left-center.  Starting with the second movement of the Trio number two, it abruptly switches to the more satisfactory, traditional scheme, with the violin at stage left.  It is a bit disorienting, and reduces the impact of the first two pieces.  A very odd choice.

I'm sure you're right but I am insufficiently a musician to notice  :(
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Scarpia on December 20, 2009, 02:49:58 PM
I'm sure you're right but I am insufficiently a musician to notice  :(

Try listening to track 7, violin is on the right, track 8-9, violin on the left.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on December 21, 2009, 05:33:36 AM
Try listening to track 7, violin is on the right, track 8-9, violin on the left.

Thanks, will do.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: snyprrr on December 21, 2009, 09:24:07 PM
Are either SQ No.1 or No.2 anywhere near a country masterpiece? meaning, Pastoralismo.

Any thoughts on SQs 1-2? They're both in the minor. I've never heard them, and I've imagined one of them could be super, so, what do you all think? I've only heard No.3 (Endellion), vague memories (I know it's totally different).

The Cello Sonata!

That Hyperion Piano Trio No.2 is something. I think the disconcerting sound balance works great in the first mvmt, and then, poom! It's one of my oldest cds. Consider, the Piano Trio wasn't really cultivated by many of the Bartok-Prokofiev-Hindemith Generation. Bridge No.2 is the Greatest Romantic Trio! :o...

why not?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: schweitzeralan on February 11, 2010, 12:02:20 PM
Thanks for reactivating this post - I would like to join the thread to supplement my meager collection of Bridge's works; just have five discs, and this afternoon listened to the chamber recordings shown below (a post made earlier to the 'listening thread') - excellent!  Now have the EMI disc playing of some of the orchestral pieces (The Sea, Summer, etc.), which was also discussed; but, I do not own, the Oration, so will also put that one on my 'want list' -  :D

Bridge, Frank (1879-1941) - stimulated by the 'new' thread on this composer, I decided to listen to the handful of CDs in my collection - think that I need more!  :D

String Sextet & Quintet w/ the Raphael Ensemble - love this group, and excellent in this repertoire!

Piano Trio No. 1 & 2; Piano Quartet w/ the Dartington Piano Trio + Patrick Ireland - listening to this disc @ the moment -  :)

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I realize that there have been several postings on the music of bridge.  I simply wanted to reffirm on the forum my continuing interest in this remarkable composer.  I just listen ed to "Phantasms."  Wonderful work which evinces the composer's debt to early 20th century Modernism, plus rhythmic restraint with tyhpical "Bridgean" color and nuance.  Dramatic work with impressionist suggestions. Recommended as always.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on June 06, 2011, 04:22:17 PM
I think Bridge is a neglected composer without a doubt in my mind. His claim to fame seems to be he was the teacher of Benjamin Britten who was a champion of his music and, in fact, composed a work in honor of him Variations On Theme By Frank Bridge, but a deeper look into Bridge's music reveals a remarkable composer who knew how to bridge (no pun intended) several different styles and influences into a cohesive whole.

I just bought the entire Bridge series on Chandos with Hickox and me being such a sucker for Hickox's conducting, I couldn't let this pass under my radar any longer.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: karlhenning on June 07, 2011, 03:00:55 AM
I think Bridge is a neglected composer without a doubt in my mind. His claim to fame seems to be his was the teacher of Benjamin Britten whom was a champion of his music . . . .

I know: I should take it to the Grammar Grumble ; )

. . . but you want who here.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: The new erato on June 07, 2011, 03:32:17 AM
I think Bridge is a neglected composer without a doubt in my mind. His claim to fame seems to be his was the teacher of Benjamin Britten whom was a champion of his music and, in fact, composed a work in honor of him Variations On Theme By Frank Bridge, but a deeper look into Bridge's music reveals a remarkable composer who knew how to bridge (no pun intended) several different styles and influences into a cohesive whole.

I just bought the entire Bridge series on Chandos with Hickox and me being such a sucker for Hickox's conducting, I couldn't let this pass under my radar any longer.
It's important to stock up when you plan to take a hiatus.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on June 07, 2011, 05:48:59 AM
It's important to stock up when you plan to take a hiatus.

 :P

Yes! After I had bought these Bridge recordings, I decided that enough was enough for awhile, which resulted in my post on the "Recordings You Are Considering" thread.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on June 07, 2011, 05:51:24 AM
I know: I should take it to the Grammar Grumble ; )

. . . but you want who here.

Made the correction. :) Sorry about the bad grammar. I have forgotten a lot of the rules.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: DavidW on June 07, 2011, 06:00:30 AM
I know: I should take it to the Grammar Grumble ; )

. . . but you want who here.

Oh it's fun to make grammar errors just to imagine you can can hear Cato's teeth clench!  It's only fair since everyone else is physicist sniping:

http://xkcd.com/356/ (http://xkcd.com/356/)

Sorry carry on with your Bridge. :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: karlhenning on June 07, 2011, 06:36:15 AM
Cato's dentition is safe, he's very Zen about the grammar chaos all around ; )
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Scarpia on June 07, 2011, 07:58:52 AM
My familiarity with Bridge rests mainly on chamber music, which is sometimes claimed to be the best of his output.  Is his orchestral music on a similarly high level?

[Nothing Cato provoking here, I hope]
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: karlhenning on June 07, 2011, 08:01:35 AM
Oration (essentially a cello concerto) is top-notch.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Lethevich on June 07, 2011, 08:17:06 AM
My familiarity with Bridge rests mainly on chamber music, which is sometimes claimed to be the best of his output.  Is his orchestral music on a similarly high level?

His best orchestral works are music of a very high level. As you can see from the Chandos series, though, there are demonstrably lesser works - mainly confined to the last volume. But outside of that extensive edition, you're unlikely to run into anything mediocre. Many of Bridge's best pieces offer a curious and delicious mid-point between Delius, Elgar, Britten and Bliss. By and large, the first four volumes of the Chandos series contain gold.

Edit: as Karl mentions, Oration is a major piece in the literature. Aside from Elgar I can't think of anything that can surpass it - even Britten, Moeran and Bax are merely equal to it.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on June 07, 2011, 09:07:02 AM
Edit: as Karl mentions, Oration is a major piece in the literature. Aside from Elgar I can't think of anything that can surpass it - even Britten, Moeran and Bax are merely equal to it.

What about the Finzi Cello Concerto? I think this is one of the finest examples of cello and orchestra writing of the 20th Century. Such angst, heart-on-sleeve, unabashed lyricism in this work. Not to derail this thread, of course, but I just had to mention it.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Lethevich on June 07, 2011, 09:20:51 AM
What about the Finzi Cello Concerto? I think this is one of the finest examples of cello and orchestra writing of the 20th Century. Such angst, heart-on-sleeve, unabashed lyricism in this work. Not to derail this thread, of course, but I just had to mention it.

I had forgotten about that one: its omission as a major work was definitely an accident, not a slight. I don't find myself listening to it very often, though - must correct this sometime.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Scarpia on June 07, 2011, 09:22:24 AM
I had forgotten about that one: its omission as a major work was definitely an accident, not a slight. I don't find myself listening to it very often, though - must correct this sometime.

There is too much music in the world to listen to anything very often without slighting something else.   :( :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on June 07, 2011, 12:38:27 PM
I had forgotten about that one: its omission as a major work was definitely an accident, not a slight. I don't find myself listening to it very often, though - must correct this sometime.

It don't find myself listening to it much either because it's too painful to hear, especially knowing the circumstances that went into writing it.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Guido on June 08, 2011, 03:24:42 AM
So glad to see so much Finzi Cello Concerto love. This was the piece that made me love music.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: offbeat on June 07, 2012, 06:08:41 AM
just heard this on you tube - real mood piece

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CajKTPr6p1w)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: offbeat on June 07, 2012, 06:12:31 AM
My link did not work = wonders of technology = anyway recommend There is a willow aslant a brook from Frank Bridge
real mood piece  ::)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 07, 2012, 06:14:01 AM
just heard this on you tube - real mood piece

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CajKTPr6p1w)

http://www.youtube.com/v/CajKTPr6p1w
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on June 07, 2012, 08:14:43 AM
I like that work too. Bridge was an excellent and misunderstood composer I think. I love Oration, Enter Spring and The Sea.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: snyprrr on June 07, 2012, 11:02:21 AM
Piano Trio No.2, Masterpiece

Yet another work by a pre-WWI era Composer rocked by the war. Things would never be the same. By 1920, everything was turning to jazz or the 'stern' stuff. Elgar, Bridge, Saint-Saens,... many Composers' greatest works came out 1914-19. The Death of Romanticism
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on June 07, 2012, 11:52:52 PM
Piano Trio No.2, Masterpiece

Yet another work by a pre-WWI era Composer rocked by the war. Things would never be the same. By 1920, everything was turning to jazz or the 'stern' stuff. Elgar, Bridge, Saint-Saens,... many Composers' greatest works came out 1914-19. The Death of Romanticism

Must give that a listen to today (if I can find the CD  :D).
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on June 08, 2012, 12:46:52 AM
Piano Trio No.2, Masterpiece

Listening to it now (Dartington Trio) - wonderful work.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: snyprrr on June 08, 2012, 05:26:20 AM
Listening to it now (Dartington Trio) - wonderful work.

Oo, that Hyperion sound, too! That is such a good disc!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2012, 05:34:53 AM
Hm, well I see there is a disc I must investigate . . . .
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Leo K. on February 09, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
I just acquired the entire Bridge series on Chandos with Hickox, needless to say I'm excited!

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on February 09, 2013, 08:46:51 AM
I own Hickox's Bridge series as well, but Bridge is a tough sell for me. He's another composer that I just can't connect with no matter what work I listen to.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Leo K. on February 09, 2013, 01:25:50 PM
I own Hickox's Bridge series as well, but Bridge is a tough sell for me. He's another composer that I just can't connect with no matter what work I listen to.

I'm a total Bridge newbie, only heard of him by listening to Britten's variation piece on a Bridge theme.

Earlier I went through the first disk and was very pleased. LOVE those long tone poems. Will take more listens to put together thoughts, but so far it's good.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on February 09, 2013, 06:41:33 PM
I'm a total Bridge newbie, only heard of him by listening to Britten's variation piece on a Bridge theme.

Earlier I went through the first disk and was very pleased. LOVE those long tone poems. Will take more listens to put together thoughts, but so far it's good.

Once you examine the series, then don't hesitate to give me your favorites from the each disc. I'm always willing to lend an ear to Bridge in hopes of connecting somehow to his music.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Leo K. on February 10, 2013, 07:20:12 AM
Once you examine the series, then don't hesitate to give me your favorites from the each disc. I'm always willing to lend an ear to Bridge in hopes of connecting somehow to his music.

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I certainly will John. I'm still on the 1st CD. Bridge's 18 minute tone poem Isabella (a Keats text) that dates from 1907 certainly deserves plenty of live outings in the concert hall. It's a vivid telling of the dreadful tale complete with lovely lyrical invention.

I'm also impressed with Mid of the Night, Bridge is certainly ambitious at 24 years old here, this amazes me. Great orchestral writing. I know I'm going to grow to love this work.

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on February 10, 2013, 07:29:38 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EZ7C8anyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I certainly will John. I'm still on the 1st CD. Bridge's 18 minute tone poem Isabella (a Keats text) that dates from 1907 certainly deserves plenty of live outings in the concert hall. It's a vivid telling of the dreadful tale complete with lovely lyrical invention.

I'm also impressed with Mid of the Night, Bridge is certainly ambitious at 24 years old here, this amazes me. Great orchestral writing. I know I'm going to grow to love this work.

Excellent, Leo. Thanks for the feedback. I'll give Isabella a spin soon. :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 10, 2013, 07:29:55 AM
I just acquired the entire Bridge series on Chandos with Hickox, needless to say I'm excited!

One word: Oration.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Leo K. on February 10, 2013, 07:37:08 AM
One word: Oration.

Have yet to hear it, will listen very soon!


And John, I'll give Isabella another listen today too.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on March 20, 2013, 06:39:46 AM
Also bought the Hickox set, and decided to go through the works chronologically.

And while I definitely enjoyed the earlier works, the Dance Poem (H.111) really impressed me. From what I'm read, plenty of other people seem to think it's a landmark in Bridge's stylistic evolution as well.

Quite excited on that basis for the works of World War I and afterwards.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on March 29, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
BBC Music Magazine this month features a great CD with the best performance of 'The Sea' that I have heard (I have five other recordings). The flute solo in the third movement and the movement as a whole is more affecting than any of the others. Martyn Brabbins conducts the BBC National Orchestra of Wales. It is coupled with a classic performance of Vaughan Williams's Symphony No 6 (1972 London Proms) BBC SO, Boult (who conducted the first performance of the work).
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on May 11, 2013, 04:52:15 AM
Still navigating the Hickox set... I just found A Prayer to be very effective.  Which, given that I'm not much of an aficionado of choral works, was a nice moment.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: lescamil on May 11, 2013, 08:21:34 AM
No love for Frank Bridge's Piano Sonata? This has to be one of the best overlooked piano works of the early 20th century. It has quite an unmatched atmosphere that comes from the skilled use of bitonality. Take a listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aiWXBNioxE
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on August 23, 2013, 05:11:37 AM
I still haven't finished with the Hickox set (hey, I was away for ages), but I've become curious about finding out what else is out there. The chamber music seems well represented, the songs have all been recorded (there's a comprehensive Hyperion set for starters), the piano music is covered as well...

But the choral works seem at first glance to be missing in action other than A Prayer.

From what I can gather, there are 19 other works out there and I'm not sure whether any of them have been recorded.  My list includes 8 a capella pieces, 10 with piano and 1 with organ. Of the ones with piano accompaniment, half have also have an orchestral/strings version.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: snyprrr on August 23, 2013, 05:25:03 AM
PIANO TRIO No.2
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on August 23, 2013, 05:39:57 AM
Putting together a proper list also made me realise something else I should have noticed from the Hickox set. There is a large mid-career gap in Bridge's orchestral output.

There are quite a few pieces from that period that he subsequently orchestrated, but most of those orchestrations weren't contemperaneous: there's a big surge around 1938 as he needed orchestral pieces for performance.  In terms of pieces conceived as orchestral, it appears that there's several around 1914/15, followed by the choral work A Prayer (around 1916-18), the song Blow Out You Bugles (1918) and then... nothing until 1926/27.

In terms of my Hickox listening it's actually a very interesting moment for me, because I've just crossed over into the 'late' period after the Piano Sonata and I'll soon be reaching the small number of late works conceived for orchestra.  The heavy hitters are approaching: Enter Spring, There Is A Willow Grows Aslant A Brook, Oration and Phantasm.  By the accounts of many people here, these are the Bridge classics.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Klaze on August 23, 2013, 05:56:25 AM
I received that Hickox set very recently and have been exploring it in the last two weeks. Yeah, you are definitely in for the best pieces now, although I was pleasantly surprised by some of the earlier works. Phantasm and Oration I especially like, but knew them already from other recordings.

Will explore the chamber works now, SQ 4 and the Piano Quintet should be coming in the mail soon. Next up will be the Trios.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on September 30, 2013, 07:30:34 AM
I just heard Phantasm for the first time. Great stuff!

My brain immediately decided to propose a concert or CD program of Phantasm, Ravel's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand and Rachmaninov's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini. All single movement works for piano and orchestra that I like very much and written in a span of just a few years. I'm definitely going to try that combination.

(edit: and by expanding the timeframe slightly I could throw in Rhapsody in Blue as well. Ooh I'm liking this notion!)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 30, 2013, 11:01:12 AM
I just heard Phantasm for the first time. Great stuff!

Thumbs up! Is this your first exposure to Bridge's music?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: The new erato on September 30, 2013, 12:16:46 PM
I just heard Phantasm for the first time. Great stuff!

My brain immediately decided to propose a concert or CD program of Phantasm, Ravel's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand and Rachmaninov's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini. All single movement works for piano and orchestra that I like very much and written in a span of just a few years. I'm definitely going to try that combination.

(edit: and by expanding the timeframe slightly I could throw in Rhapsody in Blue as well. Ooh I'm liking this notion!)
Then go to Oraion, his even better cello "concerto".
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 30, 2013, 12:20:16 PM
Then go to Oraion, his even better cello "concerto".

+1 Also, be sure to check out Enter Spring, The Sea and There grows a willow aslant a brook. All are top-drawer Bridge.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2013, 12:46:21 PM
+1 Also, be sure to check out Enter Spring, The Sea and There grows a willow aslant a brook. All are top-drawer Bridge.

Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on September 30, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
Then go to Oraion, his even better cello "concerto".

Already heard it. I know multiple people consider it Bridge's best work but I didn't. I did like it, but found it didn't engage me as much as several others.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on November 06, 2013, 03:32:24 AM
Well, I've finally reached the end of the Hickox set, with the Allegro Moderato (aka a bit of an unfinished symphony).

Only took me 13 months...

I'll leave it a little while, but then I want to go back and listen to the pieces in the order they're presented, rather than the chronological tack I decided to take this time.  It will be interested to see how I respond to the programming of each CD.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on November 06, 2013, 12:09:04 PM
.....and what is your verdict on the music? :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on November 06, 2013, 12:58:04 PM
...why is it that when I post on this particular thread, people never read anything else I ever posted on this thread?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on November 06, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
...why is it that when I post on this particular thread, people never read anything else I ever posted on this thread?

My apologies!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 07, 2014, 09:57:37 AM
Cross-post

Oration is brilliant!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on March 09, 2014, 12:55:00 AM
I find the epilogue to Oration to be very moving, apparently it was an afterthought. I always think of a star shining over a blasted First World War battlefield.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on March 28, 2014, 10:50:44 PM
I've just been listening to the 3 Idylls for string quartet. Very nice... I have a feeling I'd enjoy Bridge as a chamber music composer.

Any particular recommendations? I know Hyperion has recorded some of the works, but it actually looks as if it's Naxos that has put the most effort into this catalogue. There are discs covering the numbered string quartets, other works for string quartet, and the piano trios.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 07, 2014, 04:35:40 AM
I find the epilogue to Oration to be very moving, apparently it was an afterthought. I always think of a star shining over a blasted First World War battlefield.

Lovely!

I've listened to all the works before, but when I bought the 6-volume set I listened to the works in chronological order rather than disc order (and intermixed with all the other things I bought at the same time).

Enter Spring is the only post-War work on volume 1, and it does show. As performed here it has real colour and verve, and a grand sweep.

I'm not sure any of the other pieces are on the same level, but they're by no means bad and worth hearing. Isabella is focused on creating a rather sweetly romantic atmosphere (although there's a bit of drama at the halfway mark), and the first of the 2 shorter Poems is deliberately all a gentle haze with distant horn calls. The second Poem is a bright little scherzo. Mid of the Night is Bridge's first symphonic poem and also the longest (26 minutes here, versus 18 for Enter Spring and Isabella). For something that had to wait 96 years between performances, it's fairly entertaining even if it is undoubtedly longer than it needed to be.

The recording is, to my ears, consistently top-notch. The richness and colour of Bridge's scoring comes across very well I think.

Garn, I have got Enter Spring on the Naxos Judd/EnnZedd disc, but I do not know that I've actually listened to it.

I'm curious about Phantasm now, too . . . .
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on August 07, 2014, 07:13:02 AM
Lovely!

Garn, I have got Enter Spring on the Naxos Judd/EnnZedd disc, but I do not know that I've actually listened to it.

I'm curious about Phantasm now, too . . . .


You'll enjoy Phantasm Karl. I think that everything that Bridge wrote is worth hearing. He is a most underrated composer. Vaughan Williams was negative about some of Bridge's music but in my opinion he was wrong. Phantasm, like much else of Bridge is a powerful and searching piece.

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 07, 2014, 07:19:42 AM

You'll enjoy Phantasm Karl. I think that everything that Bridge wrote is worth hearing. He is a most underrated composer. Vaughan Williams was negative about some of Bridge's music but in my opinion he was wrong. Phantasm, like much else of Bridge is a powerful and searching piece.

(my emphasis) And, well, that's all right:  you must allow an artist his likes and dislikes, because in his own soul, that is part of how his own art is shaped.  You're right, that that negativity is not dogma.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 07, 2014, 07:21:51 AM
Do you, orfeo or Jeffrey, have a preferred account of Phantasm?  No urgency, I am still in the "mulling" stage . . . and I need to lay hands on my CD of Enter Spring soon . . . .
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on August 07, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
I only have the Hickox set. But Phantasm was my personal favourite thing from that whole set, if that's any guide.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on August 07, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Do you, orfeo or Jeffrey, have a preferred account of Phantasm?  No urgency, I am still in the "mulling" stage . . . and I need to lay hands on my CD of Enter Spring soon . . . .

Karl (by the way, do you know that you are the only person attached to this forum whose name i always write in bold? (Because you always write my name in bold - I hope that you are appreciating this Karl) 8)

Now, back to Bridge, my favourite version is below (if I can get the picture to appear). This is the version on Lyrita but I have a bias here as it also contains my favourite version of 'Oration' which I consider an out-and-out masterpiece it is also my old LP version of Phantasm and I have not done a proper comparison with other performances. Still, it is a great CD and although Lyrita CDs can be expensive online I see that it is under £5.00 second-hand on UK Amazon.

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 08, 2014, 01:09:10 AM
Cheers, Jeffrey & orfeo!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on August 08, 2014, 02:01:06 AM
Cheers, Jeffrey & orfeo!

A pleasure Karl,
I am listening to the Lyrita CD now and Peter Wallfish gives an excellent performance with fine, urgent accompaniment from Nicholas Braithwaite and the LPO. Recording is excellent too. The CD below is also excellent and has different accompanying pieces, both of which I admire very much but the Lyrita CD would be my top recommendation:


As far as Phantasm goes I don't think that you will go wrong with any of the three versions available and I have no doubt that Orfeo is right about the Chandos recording which I am less familiar with.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 08, 2014, 05:25:38 AM
I certainly enjoyed the samples on this one:



I was thinking of just downloading Phantasm, since I already have two recordings of Oration . . . but those samples sounded so tasty, too, probably I'll snaffle up the whole album.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Turbot nouveaux on October 17, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
I'm interested that no-one has really championed Bridge's very fine string quartets here (though they have been mentioned en passant). There are five - an early "Phantasie Quartet" 1905) and 4 numbered works. 1 and 2 show influences by Tchaikovsky, Faure and Debussy, whilst 3 and 4, from the 20s and 30s respectively, are more akin to the work of the composers of the 2nd Viennese school, especially Berg. I think that Nos. 2 and 4 are especially fine.

There are also some other rewarding but slighter pieces for sting quartet such as the "Novelletten" (1904) and "Three Idylls" (1906), and some gorgeous and ingenious English folk song arrangements for string quartet besides.

My go to recordings for these works are three discs on Naxos by the (English) Maggini Quartet.

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on October 18, 2016, 01:39:04 AM
The quartets (and indeed Bridge's chamber work more generally) are on my "to do" list. I certainly noted that they included a couple of late works.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Reckoner on October 18, 2016, 01:52:13 AM
The quartets (and indeed Bridge's chamber work more generally) are on my "to do" list.

I've been really impressed with the Piano Trio No. 2 lately, and its mesmeric sound world.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Turbot nouveaux on October 18, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
The quartets (and indeed Bridge's chamber work more generally) are on my "to do" list. I certainly noted that they included a couple of late works.

As Reckoner says, the 2nd piano trio is a work of considerable interest, and so is the very turbulent and unsettling 1932 Sonata for violin and piano - there's a magnificent recorded version by members of the Nash ensemble on a disc which should be of some interest (Cello sonata, Phantasie piano quartet, An Irish Melody: The Londonderry Air, Cherry Ripe and Sally in our Alley, all for string quartet. Though perhaps the definitive Cello sonata recording is the Decca Rostropovitch / Britten disc.)

Of his other late chamber works, I've never been able to track down a recording of either his 1928 Rhapsody Trio    for 2 violins and viola (though I think at least one exists), or the 1934 Four Divertimenti for flute, oboe, clarinet and bassoon. Sadly the intended Viola sonata consists of a few sketches only, so we'll never hear the work he might have composed for his own chamber instrument.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: cilgwyn on July 13, 2017, 01:50:42 AM
I've been playing this cd. I haven't listened to it for a while. I was thinking that the old Lp version,I used to play,had better artwork,so I looked it up! yes,much better! :) I sometimes think I'd play the cd more if they had used this instead......or even another attractive painting!. Silly of me,I know!! ::)

(http://i.imgur.com/fnw3DnX.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/TK443wW.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on July 13, 2017, 06:10:13 AM
I've been playing this cd. I haven't listened to it for a while. I was thinking that the old Lp version,I used to play,had better artwork,so I looked it up! yes,much better! :) I sometimes think I'd play the cd more if they had used this instead......or even another attractive painting!. Silly of me,I know!! ::)

(http://i.imgur.com/fnw3DnX.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/TK443wW.jpg)
Not silly of you - I often have the same opinion (well, maybe we are both silly!)  8)

If you buy the Charles Groves boxed set you get a mini version of the original LP sleeve with the original art work on. Coincidentally I've been listening to Vernon Handley's recording of 'The Sea' on Chandos ( with works by Bax, Britten and Stanford). I hadn't realised that it was so good - my favourite version and I have at least four other versions - especially moving in the slow movement. The original CD release is now prohibitively expensive (not on Amazon US). The reissue on Chandos has the additional Stanford work - the best I think of his Irish Rhapsodies but has a less interesting seascape cover art.


Original issue:


Reissue:

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on September 28, 2017, 04:42:05 AM
To my complete surprise, one of things I've enjoyed as I'm working through Bridge's music chronologically is his work for organ.

I'm not at all fan of organ music in general, but so far I've tried 6 pieces from this album via streaming (2 blocks of 3 pieces, all from 1905) and liked them quite a lot.

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Maestro267 on September 28, 2017, 08:57:30 AM
I know this is the wrong thread, but man, the Britten Sea Interludes are the filler on so many discs!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 28, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
To my complete surprise, one of things I've enjoyed as I'm working through Bridge's music chronologically is his work for organ.

I'm not at all fan of organ music in general, but so far I've tried 6 pieces from this album via streaming (2 blocks of 3 pieces, all from 1905) and liked them quite a lot.


That's a very nice CD.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Turbot nouveaux on September 28, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
^^^ I didn't know that disc existed - I've not bought any of Bridge's organ works because all I've been able to find are discs with one or two pieces in a compilation. This looks interesting.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 28, 2017, 12:29:30 PM
I'm not usually too keen on solo piano music, but Bridge's Piano Sonata is an outright masterpiece which is desperately haunting and tragic. His Cello Sonata and "Phantasm" are also marvelous, powerful works. This thread reminds me that I need to explore more of Bridge's output because everything I've heard by him so far has impressed me deeply.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 28, 2017, 12:51:26 PM
I'm not usually too keen on solo piano music, but Bridge's Piano Sonata is an outright masterpiece which is desperately haunting and tragic. His Cello Sonata and "Phantasm" are also marvelous, powerful works. This thread reminds me that I need to explore more of Bridge's output because everything I've heard by him so far has impressed me deeply.
Do you know 'Oration' Kyle? A tragic cello concerto and a tribute to the fallen in the First World War. Bridge was a pacifist. Oration has the most beautiful, redemptive epilogue, apparently an afterthought.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 28, 2017, 06:07:38 PM
Do you know 'Oration' Kyle? A tragic cello concerto and a tribute to the fallen in the First World War. Bridge was a pacifist. Oration has the most beautiful, redemptive epilogue, apparently an afterthought.

Embarrassingly, I don't :-[ I'll make it a point to listen to it later tonight!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 28, 2017, 08:34:42 PM
Embarrassingly, I don't :-[ I'll make it a point to listen to it later tonight!
Let us know what you think.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 28, 2017, 09:02:43 PM
Let us know what you think.

Just finished listening. Why this piece isn't part of the standard cello repertoire is beyond me! Great stuff. I definitely agree with you about the ending - very moving, reminding me a bit of the similarly redemptive ending of Honegger's Third Symphony (Liturgique).
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 29, 2017, 12:24:38 AM
Just finished listening. Why this piece isn't part of the standard cello repertoire is beyond me! Great stuff. I definitely agree with you about the ending - very moving, reminding me a bit of the similarly redemptive ending of Honegger's Third Symphony (Liturgique).
Delighted that you enjoyed it Kyle and I think that you are quite right about the Honegger 'Liturgique' connection. Both are turbulent works with movingly redemptive endings. The Epilogue in 'Oration' always make me think of a star shining over a war-blasted desolate landscape.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:31:07 AM
Do you know 'Oration' Kyle? A tragic cello concerto and a tribute to the fallen in the First World War. Bridge was a pacifist. Oration has the most beautiful, redemptive epilogue, apparently an afterthought.

I just bought the Julian Lloyd-Webber recording of Oration on Lyrita. Rather looking forward to hearing it. I’m still not a huge fan of Bridge’s music, but something tells me I should keep trying.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 29, 2017, 06:33:07 AM
I just bought the Julian Lloyd-Webber recording of Oration on Lyrita. Rather looking forward to hearing it. I’m still not a huge fan of Bridge’s music, but something tells me I should keep trying.

You should keep trying :) I'm sure you'll enjoy that disc - the accompanying Phantasm is marvelous as well.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:41:36 AM
You should keep trying :) I'm sure you'll enjoy that disc - the accompanying Phantasm is marvelous as well.

Excellent to hear, Kyle. 8)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 29, 2017, 11:15:08 AM
I just bought the Julian Lloyd-Webber recording of Oration on Lyrita. Rather looking forward to hearing it. I’m still not a huge fan of Bridge’s music, but something tells me I should keep trying.
That's the best version John (I have them all!  ::)) - a superb disc in every way. Hope you get to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 05:11:54 PM
That's the best version John (I have them all!  ::)) - a superb disc in every way. Hope you get to enjoy it.

Thanks, Jeffrey. I also bought three Bridge chamber discs on Hyperion. Really looking forward to hearing this music as I remember reading that Bridge’s chamber music was the strongest part of his oeuvre. Would you agree with this opinion?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2017, 06:01:51 PM
Thanks, Jeffrey. I also bought three Bridge chamber discs on Hyperion. Really looking forward to hearing this music as I remember reading that Bridge’s chamber music was the strongest part of his oeuvre. Would you agree with this opinion?

I don't know about Jeffrey, but I'm strongly inclining to that view myself. Though of course I'm a chamber fan generally.

I do think it's worth noting that there is a considerable difference between Bridge's early and late works. There aren't many composers who've undergone such a marked shift in musical language. A lot of the early work has the air of the salon about it (though I think the larger-scale chamber works are more substantial than that). But by the time you get to later works like Oration and Phantasm, Bridge's language is darker, tougher and more complex.

EDIT: On the Hyperion discs you bought, you'll get a fair few early works (there are more 'early' works anyway), but then you'll probably find later things like the Violin Sonata and String Quartet No.4 to be noticeably different.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:03:54 PM
I don't know about Jeffrey, but I'm strongly inclining to that view myself. Though of course I'm a chamber fan generally.

I do think it's worth noting that there is a considerable difference between Bridge's early and late works. There aren't many composers who've undergone such a marked shift in musical language. A lot of the early work has the air of the salon about it (though I think the larger-scale chamber works are more substantial than that). But by the time you get to later works like Oration and Phantasm, Bridge's language is darker, tougher and more complex.

Thanks, orfeo. I look forward to hearing that progression. What work, in your opinion, should I listen to first?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
Thanks, orfeo. I look forward to hearing that progression. What work, in your opinion, should I listen to first?

You know me, I always like chronologies. But in the case of Bridge it depends on whether you want to leave the most impressive stuff until last.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:16:46 PM
You know me, I always like chronologies. But in the case of Bridge it depends on whether you want to leave the most impressive stuff until last.

Alright, well, allow me to rephrase my previous question: what work from Bridge would you say is the work that best encapsulates everything that is great about his music?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2017, 06:23:11 PM
Alright, well, allow me to rephrase my previous question: what work from Bridge would you say is the work that best encapsulates everything that is great about his music?

Oh gosh. It's not as if I know half of them well enough yet. I only bought all my chamber music less than a year ago...

But out of the things that you're getting, I would rate Phantasm and the Piano Trio No.2 very highly.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:35:25 PM
Oh gosh. It's not as if I know half of them well enough yet. I only bought all my chamber music less than a year ago...

But out of the things that you're getting, I would rate Phantasm and the Piano Trio No.2 very highly.

Ah okay, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:42:35 PM
Interesting article:

https://goodmorningbritten.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/foundations-britten-and-frank-bridge (https://goodmorningbritten.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/foundations-britten-and-frank-bridge)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:44:50 PM
Never heard of this guy

Seriously? :o That’s a bit surprising given how versed you are in the 20th Century.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2017, 06:55:07 PM
English, early century, romantic, is that right? please don't kill me......sorry

You got the English part right, but I’m not so sure about the Romantic part. I’ll leave that up to someone else. I remember hearing one of the later works from Bridge and it sounded like early Modernism to me.

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2017, 06:56:51 PM
Yeah, just from a brief read and listen, I can sort of see why...........


English, early century, romantic, is that right? please don't kill me......sorry

I would have thought the preceding conversation made it pretty clear that the impression you will get will depend a LOT on exactly what you 'briefly listened' to.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 29, 2017, 11:53:14 PM
Thanks, Jeffrey. I also bought three Bridge chamber discs on Hyperion. Really looking forward to hearing this music as I remember reading that Bridge’s chamber music was the strongest part of his oeuvre. Would you agree with this opinion?
Well John, I really like the orchestral works, 'Enter Spring', 'Oration', 'The Sea' and 'Phatasm' so I would not say that I prefer the chamber music but maybe that is because I am less familiar with it. Having said that I think that the Sonata for Cello and Piano is a marvellous and, in places, very moving work. I'm really enjoying this inexpensive CD (if the picture appears) at the moment.


Bridge is actually much less well known that he should be. Vaughan Williams was critical of Bridge's later, more 'modern' music but I think that VW was wrong. Of course Britten had a very high regard for the music of Bridge - his former teacher and I have a very nice CD of Britten conducting 'The Sea' and 'Enter Spring' (possibly Bridge's masterpiece, although I rate 'Oration' very highly as well) as well as some of his own music and music by Holst.


Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 30, 2017, 04:50:09 AM
Well John, I really like the orchestral works, 'Enter Spring', 'Oration', 'The Sea' and 'Phatasm' so I would not say that I prefer the chamber music but maybe that is because I am less familiar with it. Having said that I think that the Sonata for Cello and Piano is a marvellous and, in places, very moving work. I'm really enjoying this inexpensive CD (if the picture appears) at the moment.


Bridge is actually much less well known that he should be. Vaughan Williams was critical of Bridge's later, more 'modern' music but I think that VW was wrong. Of course Britten had a very high regard for the music of Bridge - his former teacher and I have a very nice CD of Britten conducting 'The Sea' and 'Enter Spring' (possibly Bridge's masterpiece, although I rate 'Oration' very highly as well) as well as some of his own music and music by Holst.



Thanks for the recommendations, Jeffrey. Of course, I have four recordings of Bridge’s chamber music coming (and not to mention the Lloyd-Weber recording of Oration) that should keep me busy for quite awhile. 8) I never paid much attention to composers criticizing other composers, because they do not speak for the listener.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2017, 04:56:01 AM
Thanks for the recommendations, Jeffrey. Of course, I have four recordings of Bridge’s chamber music coming (and not to mention the Lloyd-Weber recording of Oration) that should keep me busy for quite awhile. 8) I never paid much attention to composers criticizing other composers, because they do not speak for the listener.
I'm sure you'll really like Oration John - a very stormy and turbulent work with a beautiful, redemptive ending. 'Undeservedly neglected' is often an overused expression (not least by me  8)) but, in the case of Bridge, it is true.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Turbot nouveaux on September 30, 2017, 09:01:15 AM
You got the English part right, but I’m not so sure about the Romantic part. I’ll leave that up to someone else. I remember hearing one of the later works from Bridge and it sounded like early Modernism to me.

Bridge certainly started out writing in a post-romantic idiom - Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky and Elgar are often named as early influences, but he also became interested early on in the work of contemporary modernists such as Delius, Debussy and Ravel as well as Schoenberg, Zemlinsky and maybe especially Berg. His dwindling popularity as a composer in the UK seems to have followed his move towards Continental modernism and expressionism. One UK critic is said to have accused him of deliberately 'uglifying' his music so to do.

I like some of his early works a good deal - the 2nd string quartet stands out, the 'Four English Folk Songs' and the 'Phantasy' piano quartet amongst his chamber music, and 'Summer' amongst his orchestral compositions.

But his greatest music starts for me with the Cello Sonata completed in 1917. The piano sonata and the Hour Glass suite, and the 2nd violin sonata of 1932 are certainly modernist works. His 3rd (a thorny work, in my view) and 4th string quartets are really quite dissonant works, as is the 2nd piano trio.

Amongst his late orchestral works Enter Spring, Oration and Phantasm (which have already been mentioned) and the overture Rebus are very fine works.

I'm not sure why Bridge's work isn't more popular and hasn't garnered more interest - but he's certainly one of my favourite 'minor' composers.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 30, 2017, 10:27:10 AM
I think that the Sonata for Cello and Piano is a marvellous and, in places, very moving work.

+1 One of the finest cello sonatas of the 20th century IMO. Interestingly enough, just like the ending of Oration put me in mind of the ending of Honegger's Liturgique, Bridge's Cello Sonata reminds me of Honegger's equally dark and emotional Cello Sonata written around the same time.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2017, 11:25:45 AM
+1 One of the finest cello sonatas of the 20th century IMO. Interestingly enough, just like the ending of Oration put me in mind of the ending of Honegger's Liturgique, Bridge's Cello Sonata reminds me of Honegger's equally dark and emotional Cello Sonata written around the same time.
Interesting Kyle. I need to track down the Honegger - another of my favourite composers.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on September 30, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
Interesting Kyle. I need to track down the Honegger - another of my favourite composers.

I think you'll enjoy it, Jeffrey. I highly recommend this disc:



I digress...
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2017, 11:47:27 AM
I think you'll enjoy it, Jeffrey. I highly recommend this disc:



I digress...
OT

I'd just spotted that one Kyle - looks very good.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 30, 2017, 05:57:37 PM
Bridge certainly started out writing in a post-romantic idiom - Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky and Elgar are often named as early influences, but he also became interested early on in the work of contemporary modernists such as Delius, Debussy and Ravel as well as Schoenberg, Zemlinsky and maybe especially Berg. His dwindling popularity as a composer in the UK seems to have followed his move towards Continental modernism and expressionism. One UK critic is said to have accused him of deliberately 'uglifying' his music so to do.

I like some of his early works a good deal - the 2nd string quartet stands out, the 'Four English Folk Songs' and the 'Phantasy' piano quartet amongst his chamber music, and 'Summer' amongst his orchestral compositions.

But his greatest music starts for me with the Cello Sonata completed in 1917. The piano sonata and the Hour Glass suite, and the 2nd violin sonata of 1932 are certainly modernist works. His 3rd (a thorny work, in my view) and 4th string quartets are really quite dissonant works, as is the 2nd piano trio.

Amongst his late orchestral works Enter Spring, Oration and Phantasm (which have already been mentioned) and the overture Rebus are very fine works.

I'm not sure why Bridge's work isn't more popular and hasn't garnered more interest - but he's certainly one of my favourite 'minor' composers.

Thanks for this informative post. Most illuminating indeed. 8)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2017, 09:28:18 PM
I must re listen to 'Rebus' mentioned by Turbot Nouveaux above.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 01, 2017, 01:37:03 PM
Bridge isn't a favorite composer I can consider as such. So far, some works I really like are Enter Spring, The Sea, Phantasm, Dance Rhapsody, and Norse Legend. Oration didn't grab me (although I'd need to listen to it more). I'm still exploring his music, especially the chamber works.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on October 01, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
Bridge isn't a favorite composer I can consider as such. So far, some works I really like are Enter Spring, The Sea, Phantasm, Dance Rhapsody, and Norse Legend. Oration didn't grab me (although I'd need to listen to it more). I'm still exploring his music, especially the chamber works.
You might like the Cello Sonata Caesar - a great work in my opinion.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 02, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
You might like the Cello Sonata Caesar - a great work in my opinion.

I'll keep in mind your recommendation. Thanks for the suggestion!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on October 02, 2017, 05:47:00 PM
I'll keep in mind your recommendation. Thanks for the suggestion!

Check this out!

https://www.youtube.com/v/Gp0wuAhPCbI
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 02, 2017, 08:42:43 PM
Check this out!

https://www.youtube.com/v/Gp0wuAhPCbI

Thanks for the link! I'm gonna play it right now.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on October 02, 2017, 08:45:46 PM
Thanks for the link! I'm gonna play it right now.

Excellent. Let me know what you think of the work and the performance. Personally, I found it quite alluring. The performance itself was top-notch.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 02, 2017, 09:21:15 PM
First of all, being the first time I hear it, I consider the interpretation completely remarkable. The performance did justice to the sonata. Very well played. Overall, the work is not properly so impressive. I found it poetic, deep, permeated with an elegiac mood, very intimate indeed. Those features are properly represented.

To conclude, the sonata was worth to listen but not immediately engaging. I think it requires more listens to discover its secrets.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2017, 05:46:07 AM
First of all, being the first time I hear it, I consider the interpretation completely remarkable. The performance did justice to the sonata. Very well played. Overall, the work is not properly so impressive. I found it poetic, deep, permeated with an elegiac mood, very intimate indeed. Those features are properly represented.

To conclude, the sonata was worth to listen but not immediately engaging. I think it requires more listens to discover its secrets.

Not everything can be immediately engaging right out of the gate of course, but I’m glad you realize that it’s going to take more than one listen to ‘get’ this work.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 03, 2017, 03:40:35 PM
Not everything can be immediately engaging right out of the gate of course, but I’m glad you realize that it’s going to take more than one listen to ‘get’ this work.

It's true.

I'm seeing that I'll need several listens of other works by him. Bridge is not an 'easy composer'.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on October 04, 2017, 12:20:07 AM
It's true.

I'm seeing that I'll need several listens of other works by him. Bridge is not an 'easy composer'.
Although works like 'Enter Spring' and 'The Sea' do have a more immediate appeal. People usually differentiate between 'early' and 'late' Bridge although Enter Spring is a late work.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Omicron9 on October 05, 2017, 06:42:11 AM
Greetings.

Searching for the complete cello (chamber) works of Frank Bridge has unearthed only one recording:



Might anyone know of others?  And is it just me, or is that a rather unfortunate album cover design?


TIA,
-09
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: schnittkease on October 05, 2017, 02:53:40 PM
As for the OP, this (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hyperion/CDA67426) (early chamber music) is a good disc, though I am not sure of the significance of these works; here is another (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Lyrita/SRCD302) worth your time.

Bridge's chamber music as a whole is likely too vast to be covered in a single release. I would focus on the string quartets and sonatas.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on October 07, 2017, 08:37:37 AM
Greetings.

Searching for the complete cello (chamber) works of Frank Bridge has unearthed only one recording:



Might anyone know of others?  And is it just me, or is that a rather unfortunate album cover design?


TIA,
-09
I like that CD very much. I hadn't thought about the cover being 'unfortunate' but I think I see what you mean.  ???
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Omicron9 on October 07, 2017, 02:03:28 PM
As for the OP, this (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Hyperion/CDA67426) (early chamber music) is a good disc, though I am not sure of the significance of these works; here is another (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Lyrita/SRCD302) worth your time.

Bridge's chamber music as a whole is likely too vast to be covered in a single release. I would focus on the string quartets and sonatas.

Thanks; I appreciate that.  I do have some of his other works, but had been listening to one of the cello pieces on YT, and it made me want to investigate his cello chamber works.  I did order the CD in my original post; looking forward to it and more Bridge chamber works.

-09
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: tjguitar on November 17, 2017, 07:54:08 PM
Greetings.

Searching for the complete cello (chamber) works of Frank Bridge has unearthed only one recording:



Might anyone know of others?  And is it just me, or is that a rather unfortunate album cover design?


TIA,
-09

I'm glad someone mentioned this as I am a fan of cello music in general. I'm a subscriber to "Amazon Music Unlimited" which is $80/year to stream a whole bunch of different music, and this disc was included. I'll check it out within the next few days. I haven't listened to Bridge in a while. I recall not being all that enamored with Oration....I should probably give it another listen.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 10:06:15 AM
Just stumbled across Frank Bridge's Three Idylls. I was actually listening to Elgar's String Quartet, but the disc included Bridge's work as well as Walton's String Quartet (this latter work was wonderful as well).  I sense that there are some British composers I need to become more familiar with. Three Idylls was a soft lamentation that simply touched me and I'm embarrassed to say that this was the very first work by Frank Bridge that I have ever heard. Beautiful!!!!!

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51PcHHfFdPL.jpg)

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
I've read through the thread (thanks everybody for suggesting works  :)) and it seems like there is one camp that prefers his orchestral works while another favors the chamber works.  Needless to say the listening experience of Three Idylls makes me lean towards the chamber works. Still, I am picking up Hickox's collection of orchestral works like many others on this thread so I can follow a similar path of exploration.  I think I will dig into my collection as I have a feeling of that some of Bridge's works are "fillers" on some of the discs devoted to British music.

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Baron Scarpia on May 21, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
Choral works are not my thing. I agree the chamber works are great and also ended up acquiring this set with the idea of exploring the orchestral music.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 10:22:33 AM
Choral works are not my thing. I agree the chamber works are great and also ended up acquiring this set with the idea of exploring the orchestral music.

Have you been enjoying them (the non-choral ones  ;)) ?
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 10:23:39 AM
Is the Maggini Quartet a good gateway for exploring Bridge's main chamber works?

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Roasted Swan on May 21, 2018, 10:57:44 AM
Moonfish - yes indeed the Maggini's are solidly good - and check out their version of the Piano Quintet as well coupled with the powerful Bax Quintet.  That is an excellent disc.  Bridge's Chamber music is probably his most impressive and individual music.  I like the orchestral music a lot - Enter Spring is a masterpiece - but the chamber music is more questing.

PS:  Oration is a work of certified genius - this is the best version I know - better than the Hickox version(s) or Lloyd-Webber on Lyrita

- and don't let the nay-sayers about Nimbus distract you.  This entire disc is very very fine
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 11:31:55 AM


PS:  Oration is a work of certified genius - this is the best version I know - better than the Hickox version(s) or Lloyd-Webber on Lyrita [ - and don't let the nay-sayers about Nimbus distract you.  This entire disc is very very fine

This one?

Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 11:33:24 AM
Moonfish - yes indeed the Maggini's are solidly good - and check out their version of the Piano Quintet as well coupled with the powerful Bax Quintet.  That is an excellent disc.  Bridge's Chamber music is probably his most impressive and individual music.  I like the orchestral music a lot - Enter Spring is a masterpiece - but the chamber music is more questing.

PS:  Oration is a work of certified genius - this is the best version I know - better than the Hickox version(s) or Lloyd-Webber on Lyrita

- and don't let the nay-sayers about Nimbus distract you.  This entire disc is very very fine

Thanks for the suggestions, Roasted Swan!  It is definitely new territory for me. I will see if I can find a copy and/or listen to the Nimbus recording.  :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 11:39:42 AM
I found a Bridge recording in my Groves box and have spent the last hour listening to a few of the tone poems and they are indeed very fine. Soothing, poetic and at times full of drama. It is easy to let one's mind wander into the realm of the music. Especially The Sea and Enter Spring, but I also enjoyed Summer and Lament very much.  I think I need to listen to it one more time!!!

Frank Bridge:
The Sea
Summer
Cherry Ripe
Enter Spring
Lament

Groves/Royal Liverpool PO


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Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Moonfish on May 21, 2018, 11:51:31 AM
One thing I love about GMG is the somewhat eclectic taste of its members that allows us to come across and experience composers and works that exist in the perimeter of the "canon".  There is always another musical work to experience as long as one keeps exploring.  I'm excited that so many members have put forward suggestions and thoughts in regards to Frank Bridge's works.  I look forward to hearing more. His chamber work Three Idylls as well as the several tone poems for orchestra (on the Groves recording) certainly were a pleasant surprise today. 

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Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: kyjo on May 21, 2018, 12:04:00 PM
Great to hear you’re enjoying Bridge, Moonfish! Some of my favorite works of this underrated composer include the lyrical and passionate Cello Sonata, the String Quartet no. 2, the haunting and tragic Piano Sonata, and his two late, dark concertante masterworks Oration (for cello) and Phantasm (for piano).
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on May 21, 2018, 01:28:32 PM
Is the Maggini Quartet a good gateway for exploring Bridge's main chamber works?



Yes, if my own experience is any guide. And I think I bought these because all the reviews I could find were positive.

I also picked up this one for the piano trios:



Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 01, 2021, 08:12:09 AM
TTT after 3+ years! And for me, my last posts were over 10 years ago, and I seem to own the same 5 discs shown below (top row) - after reviewing this entire thread, I'm considering adding the 4 CDs on the bottom row; definitely the first two to complete the string quartets and the highly recommended Oration/Phantasm - NOW, as to piano, not sure?  There seems to be plenty of recordings available; the Naxos bargain ones below have received some excellent reviews, but is Bridge's solo keyboard output worth pursuing - could go on Spotify and give a listen, I guess but any comments would be much appreciated.  Thanks.  Dave

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Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Roasted Swan on August 01, 2021, 08:19:41 AM
TTT after 3+ years! And for me, my last posts were over 10 years ago, and I seem to own the same 5 discs shown below (top row) - after reviewing this entire thread, I'm considering adding the 4 CDs on the bottom row; definitely the first two to complete the string quartets and the highly recommended Oration/Phantasm - NOW, as to piano, not sure?  There seems to be plenty of recordings available; the Naxos bargain ones below have received some excellent reviews, but is Bridge's solo keyboard output worth pursuing - could go on Spotify and give a listen, I guess but any comments would be much appreciated.  Thanks.  Dave

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You won't go wrong with any of those discs from your 2nd row.  I have both of the Wass discs - they are very good.  His Bax discs were excellent but he seems to have rather fallen off the Naxos artist roster which is a shame.  Bebbington is reliably fine in Bridge too.  The Maggini & Lyrita discs are no brainers - Phantasm and Oration on the latter disc are two of the great British concertante works of the early 20th century
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 01, 2021, 08:37:30 AM
You won't go wrong with any of those discs from your 2nd row.  I have both of the Wass discs - they are very good.  His Bax discs were excellent but he seems to have rather fallen off the Naxos artist roster which is a shame.  Bebbington is reliably fine in Bridge too.  The Maggini & Lyrita discs are no brainers - Phantasm and Oration on the latter disc are two of the great British concertante works of the early 20th century

Thanks RS for your comments - I was sold on those first two, but wondered about which pianists 'rose to the top' - I've been impressed w/ the reviews on Bebbington's recordings of various British composers on the Somm label but not available at great prices vs. Naxos, so will likely go w/ the Wass offerings.  Dave :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: vandermolen on August 01, 2021, 01:25:53 PM
TTT after 3+ years! And for me, my last posts were over 10 years ago, and I seem to own the same 5 discs shown below (top row) - after reviewing this entire thread, I'm considering adding the 4 CDs on the bottom row; definitely the first two to complete the string quartets and the highly recommended Oration/Phantasm - NOW, as to piano, not sure?  There seems to be plenty of recordings available; the Naxos bargain ones below have received some excellent reviews, but is Bridge's solo keyboard output worth pursuing - could go on Spotify and give a listen, I guess but any comments would be much appreciated.  Thanks.  Dave

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The Lyrita 'Oration' is my No.1 choice and I have every other recording. The EMI Groves CD of orchestral music is perhaps the best Bridge disc ever recorded with an unrivalled 'Enter Spring'.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on August 01, 2021, 01:52:20 PM
For the piano music I went with Bebbington (3 volumes) and I'm happy with him. I'm moderately confident I compared with Wass before buying.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Irons on August 02, 2021, 05:09:58 AM
For the piano music I went with Bebbington (3 volumes) and I'm happy with him. I'm moderately confident I compared with Wass before buying.

As with every British composer under the sun any conversation on keyboard works must include Eric Parkin. Is there an important work he hasn't recorded?
The Bridge Sonata is a monumental work and a fine performance by Parkin.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on August 02, 2021, 06:24:03 AM
As with every British composer under the sun any conversation on keyboard works must include Eric Parkin. Is there an important work he hasn't recorded?
The Bridge Sonata is a monumental work and a fine performance by Parkin.
Hadn't heard of Eric Parkin before now, but I'll keep an eye out for his recordings.

I enjoy the Bridge CD on Naxos of his String Quartets Nos. 1 & 3.

PD
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 02, 2021, 06:47:01 AM
Thanks RS for your comments - I was sold on those first two, but wondered about which pianists 'rose to the top' - I've been impressed w/ the reviews on Bebbington's recordings of various British composers on the Somm label but not available at great prices vs. Naxos, so will likely go w/ the Wass offerings.  Dave :)

For the piano music I went with Bebbington (3 volumes) and I'm happy with him. I'm moderately confident I compared with Wass before buying.

Thanks all for your comments on the Bridge 'piano options' - looked at some reviews of both Wass & Bebbington which are attached - some excellent ones for both and several pretty goods, but Bebbington seems to win by a nose - however w/ the Naxos pricing (nearly 2 to 1 vs. Somm), I decided to buy the two Wass recordings - listened to most of the first one on Spotify and was pleased, but also put together a Somm playlist of their 3 offerings and will audition soon.  Dave :)
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Irons on August 03, 2021, 05:42:47 AM
Hadn't heard of Eric Parkin before now, but I'll keep an eye out for his recordings.

I enjoy the Bridge CD on Naxos of his String Quartets Nos. 1 & 3.

PD

Take a peek at the John Ireland thread, PD.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Roasted Swan on August 03, 2021, 06:16:50 AM
As with every British composer under the sun any conversation on keyboard works must include Eric Parkin. Is there an important work he hasn't recorded?
The Bridge Sonata is a monumental work and a fine performance by Parkin.

100% true regarding Eric Parkin but goodness me he recorded a lot of other repertoire too - and usually very well!  His William Baines recordings have been a recent revelation to me;

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but then he's done some great 'light' Billy Mayerl

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and even this great disc of American piano music.....

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Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on August 03, 2021, 03:40:13 PM
Take a peek at the John Ireland thread, PD.
Thanks Irons!  :)

PD
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Irons on August 04, 2021, 05:17:34 AM
100% true regarding Eric Parkin but goodness me he recorded a lot of other repertoire too - and usually very well!  His William Baines recordings have been a recent revelation to me;

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but then he's done some great 'light' Billy Mayerl

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and even this great disc of American piano music.....

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You are right and wrong of me to pigeon-hole him in such a way especially as I have on my shelves...
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on August 04, 2021, 05:37:38 AM
I'm seeing what look like a lot of Eric Parkin LPs. Which are not of much use to those of us without turntables, and would be a clear reason why he would not necessarily be included in a conversation.  If his recordings have never made it into CD or online formats, lots of us are not in a position to hear them and they're not going to be easy to purchase.
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Roasted Swan on August 04, 2021, 07:54:14 AM
I'm seeing what look like a lot of Eric Parkin LPs. Which are not of much use to those of us without turntables, and would be a clear reason why he would not necessarily be included in a conversation.  If his recordings have never made it into CD or online formats, lots of us are not in a position to hear them and they're not going to be easy to purchase.

All of the recordings I mention are CD's - just happens that the easy to find images are of the LP originals - not hard to check!
Title: Re: Frank Bridge
Post by: Madiel on August 04, 2021, 01:29:35 PM
All of the recordings I mention are CD's - just happens that the easy to find images are of the LP originals - not hard to check!

I went searching for Parkin playing Bridge and all I could find was vinyl.

I didn’t go checking for other composers.