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Title: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on January 28, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Currently enjoying this - suggestions for more music in a similar vein, or not, appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/v/PQe7SACPQy4

Streaming everywhere

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3346753779_5.jpg)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Szykneij on January 28, 2021, 12:37:43 PM
A difficult tune to whistle, but I like the beat!   :)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on January 29, 2021, 09:14:05 PM
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51R9WNizP1L._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg)

Finnissy’s third quartet starts out like a not unattractive piece of conventional music, blocks of intense string writing sound out as confidently as any quartet from the first half of the 20th century. This music is as serious as Janacek or Schoenberg. The first inkling that something more experimental is going to happen is when some birds start to sing as they’re playing. These birds increasingly gain the upper hand. The string players become hesitant, they even start (with limited success) to try to imitate the sparrows, their music develops into something  fragmented and incoherent as they try, and fail, to find a way to play with the birds. The music ends with a long dawn chorus, all the musicians can do is listen.


Some of the writing for strings is stunningly beautiful here, especially in the central part of the quartet.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Szykneij on January 30, 2021, 03:11:14 AM
Fascinating composition! A clue to the arrival of the birds (other than the cd cover) is the pecking pizzicato notes just prior. The initial bird sounds are recognizable to me. I have several bird feeders in my yard, and the house sparrow and starling chirps, with the occasional crow caw, are familiar. The string quartet “interruptions” don’t seem to phase the birds at all. The bird chorus at the end includes a new “basser”  avian voice I don’t recognize. Finnissy’s work is completely new to me. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on January 31, 2021, 05:01:02 AM
Steve Peters Morning Ragas is basically the dawn chorus over a low drone. And the birdsong gets some electronic processing. You can try it for free here

https://stevepeters.bandcamp.com/album/morning-ragas.

Just speaking personally, when I listen to it it completely effaces the memory of other music. Who needs Bach and Beethoven?! 
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 31, 2021, 07:43:09 AM
Just speaking personally, when I listen to it it completely effaces the memory of other music. Who needs Bach and Beethoven?!

People who actually want to listen to music and not bird sounds I suppose.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: DavidW on January 31, 2021, 08:15:15 AM
People who actually want to listen to music and not bird sounds I suppose.

Haha!  Perfect!

Mandryka I think I have your perfect music listening experience then:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71nJO+e2QrL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on January 31, 2021, 08:29:23 AM
People who actually want to listen to music and not bird sounds I suppose.

Organised, arranged and even electronically processed bird sounds. That’s music. 
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 01, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
Organised, arranged and even electronically processed bird sounds. That’s music.

Nope. Not even close. Nice try, though.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 01, 2021, 11:08:53 AM
Haha!  Perfect!

Mandryka I think I have your perfect music listening experience then:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71nJO+e2QrL._SS500_.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: T. D. on February 01, 2021, 11:26:28 AM
I prefer plants.

(https://img.discogs.com/egf2fzUqkAghzjs5QvnfzaHhptY=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-1165185-1222891035.jpeg.jpg) (https://img.discogs.com/A97ky55RwGRnz-SPrELed-ZIlBA=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2812028-1302119674.jpeg.jpg)

I actually own copies of these recordings.  :D They're not bad. But I passed on the piano version. The original pieces are microtonal, and I doubted that'd carry over to piano.
I may not be totally insane...iirc, on a Japanese composers thread someone else expressed a liking for Fujieda's music.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: ritter on February 01, 2021, 11:31:17 AM
There's also this:

https://www.youtube.com/v/yPdcBxDmJIg
I find much to admire and enjoy in  Jonathan Harvey’s music, but I’m no really that keen on this piece....
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 01, 2021, 11:39:19 AM
Haha!  Perfect!

Mandryka I think I have your perfect music listening experience then:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71nJO+e2QrL._SS500_.jpg)
I really enjoy his Cantus Arcticus.  The recording that I have is on Ondine.  Actually, that would be a good one for today (as it's snowing).  :)

EDIT:  I'm listening to my own C.A.--currently a silent piece of music; I looked out of my kitchen window a few minutes ago to see a pair of red-tailed hawk hanging out in two trees in a neighbor's yard.   :)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: North Star on February 01, 2021, 12:29:07 PM
I really enjoy his Cantus Arcticus.  The recording that I have is on Ondine.  Actually, that would be a good one for today (as it's snowing).  :)

EDIT:  I'm listening to my own C.A.--currently a silent piece of music; I looked out of my kitchen window a few minutes ago to see a pair of red-tailed hawk hanging out in two trees in a neighbor's yard.   :)
But... most of the birdsong is from species that migrate to the south for winter. ;)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 01, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
Thread-duty - Maiden-listen Monday
Tallis
The Complete Works, Volume 1 - The Early Works
Chapelle du Roy
Alistair Dixon



Wrong thread. ;)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 01, 2021, 12:51:46 PM
But... most of the birdsong is from species that migrate to the south for winter. ;)
Oh interesting to know!  Of course, that makes sense.  I was thinking that it had been recorded in warmer months...it was more the Arctic part that I was thinking of--particularly lately as it had been bitterly cold...slowly warming up here.

PD

EDIT:  I was surprised to find out that there are snowy owls in my area during the wintertime.  Hoping to see one as the photos of them are amazing!
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 01, 2021, 01:36:52 PM
Just remember folks: if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s an aardvark. :D
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 01, 2021, 01:42:54 PM
Just remember folks: if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s an aardvark. :D
Pardon?  Sorry, lost you there John....

PD
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: North Star on February 01, 2021, 01:44:47 PM
Oh interesting to know!  Of course, that makes sense.  I was thinking that it had been recorded in warmer months...it was more the Arctic part that I was thinking of--particularly lately as it had been bitterly cold...slowly warming up here.

PD

EDIT:  I was surprised to find out that there are snowy owls in my area during the wintertime.  Hoping to see one as the photos of them are amazing!
Some of the bird calls were taken from archives, additionally, Rautavaara gathered the recordings from marshlands about 10 kilometers south from where I live, popular with migratory birds, and bird watchers.

But yes, it's about -20 deg C / -4 deg F here right now, quite enough cold for me.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 01, 2021, 01:51:29 PM
Some of the bird calls were taken from archives, additionally, Rautavaara gathered the recordings from marshlands about 10 kilometers south from where I live, popular with migratory birds, and bird watchers.

But yes, it's about -20 deg C / -4 deg F here right now, quite enough cold for me.
Oh, neat that some of the recordings were from so close to where you live!  :)  May I ask, are you much of a birdwatcher?  I'm slowly learning about different birds (have horrible binocs though).  -4 F....burr!  I hadn't know about some of the bird calls being taken from archives.  At least, I had thought/remembered that he had recorded them all by himself.

Snowing away here.

PD
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 01, 2021, 02:19:02 PM
Pardon?  Sorry, lost you there John....

PD

It’s a joke. A poorly executed one at that! :D
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: North Star on February 01, 2021, 02:24:13 PM
Oh, neat that some of the recordings were from so close to where you live!  :)  May I ask, are you much of a birdwatcher?  I'm slowly learning about different birds (have horrible binocs though).  -4 F....burr!  I hadn't know about some of the bird calls being taken from archives.  At least, I had thought/remembered that he had recorded them all by himself.

Snowing away here.

PD
Not a big birdwatcher, but I do like to follow them from the window and in nature when the opportunity arises. Named 20/30 correctly in a test I just took, better than I would have thought. The grouse and particularly capercaillie are quite impressive, especially during the mating season, along with swans, cranes, and the white-tailed eagle.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Capercaillie_%288751340764%29.jpg/1024px-Capercaillie_%288751340764%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2021, 02:48:23 PM
(https://res.electrocd.com/image.php/couv/v/victo_119.jpg?width=n4&forceresize=1&def=couverture_par_defaut)

Listening to Mount G on this extraordinary live record, you can find it streaming, it became clear to me which direction to take this thread.

Shamanism.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2021, 02:49:45 PM
There's also this:

https://www.youtube.com/v/yPdcBxDmJIg
I find much to admire and enjoy in  Jonathan Harvey’s music, but I’m no really that keen on this piece....

I have mixed feelings about Harvey. I’d forgotten about that one though.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Benji on February 01, 2021, 05:03:56 PM
How bizarre that I have stumbled across this thread on a day where Spotify recommended me this playlist (on account of listening to the Rautavaara concerto about three times in as many nights... It helps me relax and I have been quite anxious lately)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX13IHBurI057?si=z0wNZm7lQ6qlN6mMR6ihdw

(If the link doesn't work, the playlist is called Birdsong in classical music)

Lots to enjoy on the playlist. Just listening to the sumptuous Delius piece 'On hearing the first cuckoo of spring', which is, incidentally, something I  am looking forward to... If I can escape to the Kent countryside by then. Sorry for the tangent, I have an RSPB membership and my own binoculars, I am that way inclined 😁



Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/5yoD4dgg_kg

Malcolm Goldstein listened closely and became attuned to what was the particular sound quality of each season in Vermont. He then took the sounds that he had recorded and made a tape collage which, for him, arrived at that particular, essential quality of each season.
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Post by: aukhawk on February 04, 2021, 02:12:38 AM
I enjoy that Delius piece - however I've never understood the general sentiment surrounding the Cuckoo - nasty, rapacious birds (from a human perspective).

Regarding the Rautavaara Cantus Arcticus - another piece I enjoy - it is what it is, being composed in 1972 and using the technologies then available (tape recordings).  The composer therefore specifies that at certain points in the music, recordings of birds (that he made himself) are played on cue.  He actually supplied a choice of two recordings, of the versions I've heard Lintu, Segerstam and Vanska all use the same one (which according to Vanska's sleevenotes is the 'revised' recording) and Pekkanen uses a different recording (also credited to the composer) with a more 'interesting' variety of birdcalls.  Both versions are good of course.

Had he composed it 15 or more years later he might have used sampling tachnology, with the birdsong played in during the performance by one or more musicians - for example using keyboards, with a birdcall allocated to each key.  I'd like to hear Cantus Arcticus done this way, it would allow a more natural randomness to the performance, and more flexibily of tempo for the conductor.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 04, 2021, 04:25:38 AM
Not a big birdwatcher, but I do like to follow them from the window and in nature when the opportunity arises. Named 20/30 correctly in a test I just took, better than I would have thought. The grouse and particularly capercaillie are quite impressive, especially during the mating season, along with swans, cranes, and the white-tailed eagle.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Capercaillie_%288751340764%29.jpg/1024px-Capercaillie_%288751340764%29.jpg)
Cool looking bird!  8)

Recently enjoyed looking at a pair of red-tailed hawks through a window in my house; they were hunkering down during a snowstorm in trees about 20' from each other. 

https://www.youtube.com/v/5yoD4dgg_kg

Malcolm Goldstein listened closely and became attuned to what was the particular sound quality of each season in Vermont. He then took the sounds that he had recorded and made a tape collage which, for him, arrived at that particular, essential quality of each season.
Neat!  :)

I enjoy that Delius piece - however I've never understood the general sentiment surrounding the Cockoo - nasty, rapacious birds (from a human perspective).

Regarding the Rautavaara Cantus Arcticus - another piece I enjoy - it is what it is, being composed in 1972 and using the technologies then available (tape recordings).  The composer therefore specifies that at certain points in the music, recordings of birds (that he made himself) are played on cue.  He actually supplied a choice of two recordings, of the versions I've heard Lintu, Segerstam and Vanska all use the same one (which according to Vanska's sleevenotes is the 'revised' recording) and Pekkanen uses a different recording (also credited to the composer) with a more 'interesting' variety of birdcalls.  Both versions are good of course.

Had he composed it 15 or more years later he might have used sampling tachnology, with the birdsong played in during the performance by one or more musicians - for example using keyboards, with a birdcall allocated to each key.  I'd like to hear Cantus Arcticus done this way, it would allow a more natural randomness to the performance, and more flexibily of tempo for the conductor.
Yes, I also love that Delius piece.

Interesting to note that there are a couple of different versions of Cantus Arcticus.  And I like your idea of trying it in a different way (a birdcall allocated to each key) too.  :)

PD
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on February 15, 2021, 02:09:51 AM
(https://img.discogs.com/azCOz8zp4IHgL9pkfPgaYJg-9lU=/fit-in/600x590/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-153826-1191808049.jpeg.jpg)

Astonishing music even at home on a stereo. Has anyone here heard it live?
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Post by: Mandryka on February 16, 2021, 08:40:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/6dTxG9eQJHo

On Animality, Daniel Menche manipulated his pet dog’s noises and mixed with the drum beats.
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Post by: Mandryka on February 17, 2021, 02:26:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/NDONvM77jEU

Francisco Lopez’s La Selva and his inspiring essay on the recording here

http://www.franciscolopez.net/env.html
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Post by: Mandryka on February 20, 2021, 05:12:32 AM
(https://img.discogs.com/Edk5s_S5d0CNgZfuVrkbUmJWmak=/fit-in/498x500/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-753388-1402935166-2326.jpeg.jpg)

This is what the great man said about it

Quote
I got this electronic bird in the mail, a Christmas tree ornament, and you simply plugged it in, and it made this birdcall... I had this idea to put binaural mikes in my ears and to head that bird and to move my head and pan the sound of the bird around in space. I had a mike in one ear and one in the other and I could make the stereo image by moving my head, so I started the birdcall and I put the amplifier on, and I started to get feedback and I discovered that these beautiful interference patterns were occurring between the sound to the birdcall and the strands of feedback.
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Post by: Mandryka on March 03, 2021, 01:09:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/_Ncfn1_UkIQ

Christopher Fox’s More Things in the Air than are Visible part iii is for piano and various ambient nocturnal sounds including woofing dog, and tweety and hooty birds. 

Rather nice.
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Post by: Mandryka on March 03, 2021, 11:29:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/AhbfA20pKN4&ab_channel=PaoloBrandi-Topic

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In Regnum animale the setup includes a string trio
surrounded in circle by a mass of computer-driven, electro-mechanical devices built from discarded and scavenged every-day objects and
appliances (electric knives, radio clocks, turntables, and so on). Regnum animale is a sequence of
24 very short pieces, each one lasting approximately 40” and dedicated to an imaginary animal.

But it's just so annoying because they don't tell us anything about these imaginary animals -- like Pokemon I suppose, but I don't know. Very disappointing.

The music is fun sounds.
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Post by: Mandryka on March 06, 2021, 05:13:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/kku1I8VE1YU&list=UUselY9qLG_aQoIiyxjb5z2g&index=3&ab_channel=AndrewToovey

Andrew Toovey: Adventures with Swans, Coots, Ducks and their young. For voice, violin, harmonium, sea and wind.
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Post by: Mandryka on March 07, 2021, 03:10:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/0b4Y8i1PuYM&ab_channel=RyanMacEvoyMcCullough

Jonathan Harvey, Concerto for birds, with Pianosong.
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: mabuse on April 01, 2021, 11:36:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/NDONvM77jEU

Francisco Lopez’s La Selva and his inspiring essay on the recording here

http://www.franciscolopez.net/env.html

Stunning work... It had a powerful immersive effect on me  :o

Kairos had published a good 5CDs anthology of Francisco Lopez's works :
https://www.kairos-music.com/cds/0012872kai (https://www.kairos-music.com/cds/0012872kai)
(https://www.kairos-music.com/sites/default/files/cds/0012872KAI_Lopez_webcover_0.jpg)

Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on April 03, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
Stunning work... It had a powerful immersive effect on me  :o

Kairos had published a good 5CDs anthology of Francisco Lopez's works :
https://www.kairos-music.com/cds/0012872kai (https://www.kairos-music.com/cds/0012872kai)
(https://www.kairos-music.com/sites/default/files/cds/0012872KAI_Lopez_webcover_0.jpg)
Agreed, there's a world of field recordings which I'd like to know more about.
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Post by: Mandryka on April 04, 2021, 07:14:13 PM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1297666229_10.jpg)

https://chriswatsonreleases.bandcamp.com/album/outside-the-circle-of-fire


Chris Watson, Outside the Circle of Fire, field recordings of animals, really concentrated music, this is a fabulous thing. Chris Watson looks to me like a musician I will have to get to know better.
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Post by: Mandryka on April 06, 2021, 08:41:35 PM
(https://img.discogs.com/TEzlFgewYcibXGugVULEJ26euts=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(webp):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1370820-1331930247.jpeg.jpg)

Francisco Lopez, Conops. Field recordings of insects juxtaposed, played simultaneously to create a form of polyphony, augmented with industrial sounding drones, squawking birds etc etc to produce what is some amazing music, too dramatic to be rightly called ambient IMO, I think this stuff demands to be listened to with the same focus as you would something by, for example, J S Bach or G. Machaut.  The climax, at the end of course, is very effective!
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Post by: mabuse on April 07, 2021, 12:14:25 PM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3286303579_10.jpg)
"Talks with Grey Heron" by Robertina Šebjanič

Another great Field Recording artist is Robertina Šebjanič from Slovenia.
The way she works on aquatic sounds is particularly remarkable ... I would say that is her specialty.
I particularly recommend her works entitled "Aquatocene / Subaquatic quest for serenity"  :)
https://robertina.bandcamp.com/ (https://robertina.bandcamp.com/)
Title: Re: Some people talk to animals. Not many listen though. That's the problem.
Post by: Mandryka on April 08, 2021, 06:49:59 AM
Stunning work... It had a powerful immersive effect on me  :o

Kairos had published a good 5CDs anthology of Francisco Lopez's works :
https://www.kairos-music.com/cds/0012872kai (https://www.kairos-music.com/cds/0012872kai)
(https://www.kairos-music.com/sites/default/files/cds/0012872KAI_Lopez_webcover_0.jpg)

I just leaned that Lopez insists that performances take place in darkness, and provides blindfolds where necessary for the audience (and possibly musicians too.)

http://www.franciscolopez.net/pdf/Lopez-TheBigBlur.pdf

https://www.modelo62.com/video/untitled-335-francisco-lopez/