Chopin's mazurkas

Started by jwinter, August 02, 2012, 12:07:21 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on July 06, 2022, 11:32:48 PMAnyone know anything about Maria Christina Mohovich?  Some of these mazurkas seem so strong and characterful they make me think of Tipo's nocturnes. There's a good Schumann Cd too - symphonic etudes.

Quote from: Mandryka on September 28, 2022, 09:25:02 AMYes the interpretation is good but the actual pianism, or maybe it's the recording, lacks the refinement and fluidity and colour of the top tier mazurka-wallahs.


Beating the dead horse in December, I think this album deserves some appreciation. It's not a top-tier performance, but the music is unique and lyrical.



Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on March 24, 2019, 04:42:38 AMPletnev plays 30 minutes of mazurkas, I don't know what to make of it really, it's refined and poetic and reticent.

[flash=200,200]https://www.youtube.com/v/ruVA4kKpaAc&t=121s[/flash]

I like it very much.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Verena on December 18, 2022, 08:25:08 AMThe big gestures which you mention are sometimes too much of a good thing for me, too. I think I mostly listen for the timing and that's what I love about his interpretation. Having listened to some mazurkas again today, I guess my favorites remain Maryla Jonas, Reisenberg, Rubinstein (on some days) and Boshniakovich. But he comes quite close.

Thank you for the names you mentioned. I checked Boshniakovich (older recording/Denon?) on Youtube and I liked it a lot. I didn't know about him. I will look for a physical cd in Japan next year. Yes, just like wine tasting, I enjoy listening to Mazurkas in diverse approaches.

Que

#303
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on December 17, 2022, 04:49:04 PMMy respect to Steinway and the Allied Power industry. Sayonara.

FYI I wasn't surprised by your reservations.

I feel early 20th c. Steinways sound best, and not the more modern ones.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Que on December 24, 2022, 06:16:08 AMFYI I wasn't surprised by your reservations.

I feel think early 20th c. Steinways sound best, and not the modern ones.

It's not that. I just don't have ears or knowledge to discern the Steinway sound, let alone its sound by decades.  ;D

Mandryka

#305


A handful of mazurkas like you've never heard before, from Tobias Koch.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on December 27, 2022, 12:38:37 AM

A handful of mazurkas like you've never heard before, from Tobias Koch.

Both the 2018 and 2019 recordings look interesting with many historic instruments and modern pianos including Kawai.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh


Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on December 27, 2022, 12:38:37 AM

A handful of mazurkas like you've never heard before, from Tobias Koch.

Koch (and others) sounds good. Nice shyness and sensitivity. I like it.

Dry Brett Kavanaugh


Dry Brett Kavanaugh

#310
YT list of Tito Aprea's performance is below. Nice rhythm though the playing is loud sometimes.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7uG3nzjmyOD8mZkkPCuxPNbH3_3hybQb

Verena

Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on December 19, 2022, 09:03:24 AMThank you for the names you mentioned. I checked Boshniakovich (older recording/Denon?) on Youtube and I liked it a lot. I didn't know about him. I will look for a physical cd in Japan next year. Yes, just like wine tasting, I enjoy listening to Mazurkas in diverse approaches.
Yes, some Chopin Mazurkas by Boshniakovich / Boshnyakovich are on Denon and some others are on Vista Vera.
Don't think, but look! (PI66)

Dry Brett Kavanaugh


Verena

Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on March 18, 2023, 09:32:07 AMYakov Flier.



He is one of my favorites. Need to relisten to his Mazurkas soon.
Don't think, but look! (PI66)

San Antone

This is my go-to set of the mazurkas

Chopin: 57 Mazurkas
Janusz Olejniczak (piano)


Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Many good ideas and approaches, but a more nuanced, and diversified, touch could have been more effective.



Luke

Quote from: MandrykaThere's nuance and sensitivity and intelligence in spadefuls. However because it's so very very polished it becomes like a box of chocolates - after a few, despite the loveliness of them, you start to get sick of it all.

Yes, you've got to be able to sense the outdoors in the Mazurkas. It's there, Chopin put it there, it should be heard. They are the polar opposite of the Nocturne-style Chopin. They're also, imho, his greatest works.

Mandryka


(The post that @Luke quoted got deleted while I checked that it was fair. It was, so here it is.)


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chopin-Mazurkas-Dmitri-Alexeev-2015-02-27/dp/B01K8MEO60

Alexeev's mazurkas

There's a review on Amazon of this which is totally right, and it's helped me understand something about these mazurkas (assuming Google translate is totally right) viz:

欠点があるとするならば、土臭さはないので、それを求める方にはもの足りないはず。

There's nuance and sensitivity and intelligence in spadefuls. Beautifully played.  However because it's so very very polished and civilised  it becomes like a box of chocolates - after a few, despite the loveliness of them, you start to get sick of it all.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Mandryka on March 31, 2023, 12:04:33 AM欠点があるとするならば、土臭さはないので、それを求める方にはもの足りないはず。



If there were ever shortcoming, there is no mud odor (meaning crudeness/wildness) and those who seek it will be left unsatisfied.

Mandryka

Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on March 31, 2023, 06:44:16 AMIf there were ever shortcoming, there is no mud odor (meaning crudeness/wildness) and those who seek it will be left unsatisfied.

Yes, the translation algorithms gave "dirt" and "earthiness."
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen