Chamber
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String Qt no.1, d, Op.1, 1915
8 Preludes, pf, 1920 43
String Qt no.2, A, Op.3, 1922
Piano Trio no.1, Op.7, 1922, rev.1925
Reeds, for Low Voice, String Quartet, Clarinet, Horn & Harp, Op.8
Piano Sonata no.1, Op.13, 1924
Otrazheniya [Reflections], 7 pieces, pf, 1925
Piano sonata no.2/Sonata-ballada, Op.18, 1925
Sonata,vn, pf, Op.19, 1926
String Qt no.3, Op.19, 1928
Shevchenkivs'ka syuita [Shevchenko Suite], pf, 1942 [incomplete]
Piano Trio no.2, Op.41, 1942
Ukrayn'skiy kvintet, Piano Quintet, Op.42, 1942, rev.1945
String Qt no.4, 1943
Suite, ww qt, 1944
Syuita na ukraynskiye narodnïye temi [Suite on Ukrainian Folk Themes], str qt, 1944
2 Pieces for Viola & Piano, Op.58
Concert Etude - Rondo, for Piano
Orchestral
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Symphony no.1, A, Op.2, 1918 19
Fantasticheskiy marsh, 1920
Uvertyura na chotyry ukraïns'ky narodny temy [Ov. on 4 Ukrainian Folk Themes], Op.20, 1926
Zolotyi obruch, suite, 1929 3 marches, ww, 1933 6
Symphony no.2, Op.26, 1935 6, rev. 1940
Poma vossoyedineniya [Poem of Reunification], Op.49, 1949 50
Symphony no.3, b, Op.50, 1951, rev. 1954
Taras Shevchenko, suite, Op.51, 1952 [from film score]
Slavyanskiy kontsert [Slavic Concerto], pf, orch, Op.54, 1953
Romeo i Dzhul'yetta [Romeo and Juliet], Op.55, 1955 [suite from incidental music]
Grazhyna, ballad, Op.58, 1955
Na berehakh Visly [On the Banks of the Vistula], Symphony poem, Op.59, 1958
Intermezzo for Orchestra, 1960
Pol'skaya syuita [Polish Suite], 1961
Slavyanskaya uvertyura, 1961
Symphony no.4, bb, Op.63, 1963
Liricheskaya poma, 1964 - Lyric poem 'In Memory of R. Glier' Op.66
Symphony no.5 Slavyanskaya [Slavonic], C, Op.67, 1965 6
Slavyanskaya syuita [Slavonic Suite], Op.68, 1966
Urochista Uvertyura [Solemn Overture], Op.70, 1967
Stage
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Zolotyi obruch [The Golden Ring] (music drama, 4, Ya. Mamontov, after I. Franko), Op.23, 1929,
Odessa, Kiev, Khar'kiv, 1930 rev. version L'viv, 1970
Shchors (op, 5, I. Kochergi, M. Ryl's'ky), Op.37, 1937
Kiev, 14 Sept 1938, rev. as Polkovodets [The Commander], Kiev, 18 Feb 1970
Ukrainian composer. Studied with Gliere in 1913 at the law faculty of Kiev University.
The Grove:
His style – and especially the harmonic language employed in works of the 1920s – bears comparison to that of Kodály and Nielsen as well as that of Berg and Hindemith. Like his slightly younger colleague Shostakovich, he never totally abandoned tonality no matter how much he expanded its meaning.
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All good stuff. I especially like 'Grazhyna' and Symphony 3 but all the symphonies are good. Amazingly, when I was on holiday, in the UK, a year ago I was in a shop and the radio was on playing a piece of classical music which I really liked but did not recognise - it was 'Grazhyna'. For starters I'd get the disc with symphonies 2 and 3 on - powerful, tonal and brooding music. The Marco Polo releases are now all on Naxos:
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One may still obtain the Marco Polo releases since they have not all disappeared from the first run:
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^ click me to save the European Union (every click adds a penny) >:D
(http://jazzdagama.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Solomiya-Ivakhiv-and-Andelina-Gadeliya.jpg)
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:)
Also on DeepDiscount.com, I believe.
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^ to to enlarge
There are deep, dark places on the internet where both of these pieces may be tracked down . . . since the record companies are clueless.
http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-8725/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RUdwr2WTs84J:www.tncmusic.net/product_info.php%3Fproducts_id%3D151+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
(http://www.tncmusic.net/productfiles/images/TNC_CD_118.jpg)
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Borys Mykolayovych Lyatoshynsky (Mykola is the Ukrainian equivalent of Nikolai) grew up and came to maturity at the apogee of this short-lived 'Ukrainian Renaissance' of writers, artists, musicians, choreographers and philosophers, parallel to and contemporaneous with Russia's Silver Age. In keeping with the convulsive political and social instability of the times, artists and thinkers threw off the restrictions of convention to experiment with new forms, new ideas, new language, new approaches to religion, mysticism and the occult. Collisions abounded: the aesthetic refinement of Symbolism with the urban barbarity of Futurism, untrammelled individualism with collective sobornost (national and group solidarity), spirituality with decadence. The time, the place and the milieu produced such artists, writers and thinkers eventually to grace the world stage as Lev Shestov, Nikolai Berdyaev, Mikhail Bulgakov, Vladimir Tatlin, David Burliuk, Ilya Repin, Sholem Aleichem, Vasily Grossman, Isaac Babel, Leon Trotsky, Sergei Prokofiev, Leonid Utyosov, Anatoly Lunacharsky, Serge Lifar, Vatslav and Bronislava Nijinsky, Alexandra Exter, Heinrich Neuhaus, Sviatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Ilya Ehrenburg – although hardly any of these powerful creative spirits would either at the time or now be recognised as Ukrainian. That is the point, as the writer and polemicist Mykola Khvyl'ovyi argued with such vehemence in his references to 'rozstriliane Vidrodzhennia' ('the executed Renaissance') – and his rallying war cry 'Het'vid Moskvu!' ('Away with Moscow'). Khvyl'ovyi, despairing, committed suicide in 1933.
Lyatoshynsky thus emerged from a cradle of germinating imagination. He was born in 1895 to a cultivated middle-class family – his father was a local headmaster and school director – in Zhitomir, now in north-western Ukraine near the Polish border but then the regional capital of Volhynia, a still mainly rural Governorate of the Russian Empire populated predominantly by Ukrainian-Russians with substantial German, Polish and Jewish communities. He attended the local gymnazium and on graduation entered the University of Kiev where he studied law. At the same time he joined the composition class of Reinhold Glière, who had come home to Kiev to head the newly founded Kiev Conservatoire. Glière, who had been the first proper teacher of the young Prokofiev, another gifted young composer from rural Ukraine, not only gave Lyatoshynsky a similarly solid and comprehensive grounding in compositional technique and musical form, but as can be seen from their extensive and candid correspondence extending from 1913 to Glière's death in 1956 and published in 2002, became a lifelong friend and mentor. - excerpt from the notes
The piano music is a bit spiky, but well composed and played well on this release. (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Nptvnt7aL.jpg)
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I wasn't able to find any commercial release of these.
This live tv broadcast contains part of "Golden Crown."
THE CONCERT PROGRAMME:
1. Symphonic poem «Reunion»
Symphonic poem on the occasion of the unification between Eastern
and Western Ukraine (1949)
2. Male chorus from the opera «Commander» – «Cossack is being brought»
Excerpts of the opera «Golden Сrown» with the soloists,
chorus and orchestra of the theater.
Introduction. Galician dance and choir
The scene in the mountains – Maxim, Miroslava andTugar Wolf
Tatar camp – Miroslava, Tatar chorus, Chinese and final dances
The scene in the cave Dazhbogin the Zelemenrocks – monologue and scene by Zakhar Berkut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnxfwomOaTM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 26, 2016, 12:28:53 PM
All good stuff.
Have you tried out the Violin sonata, String Quartet No.2, or the Piano trio yet?
There are three different commercial postings for the Violin sonata on YT to try out.
Besides the older TNC account, over the past year two different versions were issued.
An impressive piece. Should be in
snyprrr's listening que! :)
Quote from: Scion7 on June 27, 2016, 11:04:21 PM
Have you tried out the Violin sonata, String Quartet No.2, or the Piano trio yet?
There are three different commercial postings for the Violin sonata on YT to try out.
Besides the older TNC account, over the past year two different versions were issued.
An impressive piece. Should be in snyprrr's listening que! :)
No, but many thanks for recommendation. :)
On an unrelated, but perhaps slightly related note, I met two Ukrainian women yesterday who not only were extremely attractive, but knew who Prokofiev was. Too bad they said they were only in Georgia for the summer. :(
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 29, 2016, 06:46:16 AM
On an unrelated, but perhaps slightly related note, I met two Ukrainian women yesterday who not only were extremely attractive, but knew who Prokofiev was. Too bad they said they were only in Georgia for the summer. :(
Had they heard of Lyatoshynsky? Surely a great chat-up line. 8)
Quote from: vandermolen on June 29, 2016, 02:48:36 PM
Had they heard of Lyatoshynsky? Surely a great chat-up line. 8)
I think I'd feel more comfortable to talk to them about Silvestrov more than Lyatoshynsky. :) I still haven't cracked Lyatoshynsky's music yet. There seems to be no kind of access points in the music and his general style is quite difficult to understand. I've heard all of his symphonies and they remain puzzling to me. My hats are off to those that have figured out this composer. What makes his music tick?
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 12, 2016, 07:51:22 AM
I think I'd feel more comfortable to talk to them about Silvestrov more than Lyatoshynsky. :) I still haven't cracked Lyatoshynsky's music yet. There seems to be no kind of access points in the music and his general style is quite difficult to understand. I've heard all of his symphonies and they remain puzzling to me. My hats are off to those that have figured out this composer. What makes his music tick?
Just saw this post. Try Symphony 3 again John as I think that is the most approachable. The craggy dissonance and sense of looming tragedy appeals to me.
Quote from: vandermolen on July 12, 2016, 11:33:01 AM
Just saw this post. Try Symphony 3 again John as I think that is the most approachable. The craggy dissonance and sense of looming tragedy appeals to me.
Will do, Jeffrey. 8)
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 29, 2016, 06:46:16 AM
On an unrelated, but perhaps slightly related note, I met two Ukrainian women yesterday who not only were extremely attractive, but knew who Prokofiev was. Too bad they said they were only in Georgia for the summer. :(
You mean you won't consider Kiev for the winter? ;)
Listen to Symphonies 3 followed by 2. Frankly, these are the only two works by him that I really liked.
Quote from: springrite on July 12, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
You mean you won't consider Kiev for the winter? ;)
Listen to Symphonies 3 followed by 2. Frankly, these are the only two works by him that I really liked.
Hah! Will do, Paul.
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 12, 2016, 01:46:31 PM
Hah! Will do, Paul.
Don't forget to post photos from the Ukraine!
Quote from: springrite on July 12, 2016, 03:11:03 PM
Don't forget to post photos from the Ukraine!
I won't, especially when I post photos of me bundled up next to both of these gorgeous Ukrainian women on a bear rug sitting next to a fireplace. There's just nothing like those winter nights. :P Oh and hot cocoa with marshmallows are a must!
More likely we'll see pictures of you pressed into the Ukrainian military at the front! :P
Quote from: Scion7 on July 12, 2016, 04:03:10 PM
More likely we'll see pictures of you pressed into the Ukrainian military at the front! :P
Ah, but you're mistaken. We won't be in Ukraine, but in Switzerland in a log cabin looking upon the Alps. ;) ;D Now that's how you get a slumber party started. :)
Have you tried any of the chamber music, especially the Violin Sonata Op.10?
Quote from: Scion7 on July 12, 2016, 04:55:26 PM
Have you tried any of the chamber music, especially the Violin Sonata Op.10?
I have not, but I will definitely consider your suggestion next time I'm in the mood to explore more of Lyatoshynsky's music. Thanks. :)
Good for Chandos! Not only are they issuing the wonderful 4th Symphony by Ruth Gipps but the current Gramophone Magazine reveals that Kirill Karabits and the Bournemouth SO have just recorded Lyatoshinsky's Third Symphony and the Symphonic Ballad 'Grazhyna' - his two greatest works in my opinion. I was on holiday, in a shop, some years ago ( I mean that I happened to be in a shop whilst on holiday, not that I spent my entire holiday in a shop - just providing some context), they had BBC Radio 3 on and I was really impressed with what I was hearing although I didn't recognise it - so I hung around until the work ended - it was the last part of 'Grazhyna' - quite impressionistic and poetic (or powerful, tonal and brooding, as I reported in an earlier post on this thread). Actually I did own this work, coupled with Symphony 1 on the Marco Polo label but had hardly ever played it. If you can't wait for the Chandos, the Marco Polo cycle of symphonies + Grazhyna is now on the Naxos label but I'm very excited about this forthcoming release.
Amazingly Karabits performed the Third Symphony in the UK. Here is an interesting review:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/concert-review-bournemouth-symphony-orchestra-kirill-karabits-at-the-great-hall-exeter-c0bhtmtfd
Having been to Kyiv in the Ukraine a couple of years ago I'm even more interested in Lyatoshinsky's music.
And here's a clip of the rehearsal of Symphony 3:
https://youtu.be/FFpaOn-hlL0
Quote from: vandermolen on July 31, 2018, 02:29:48 AM
Good for Chandos! Not only are they issuing the wonderful 4th Symphony by Ruth Gipps but the current Gramophone Magazine reveals that Kirill Karabits and the Bournemouth SO have just recorded Lyatoshinsky's Third Symphony and the Symphonic Ballad 'Grazhyna' - his two greatest works in my opinion. I was on holiday, in a shop, some years ago ( I mean that I happened to be in a shop whilst on holiday, not that I spent my entire holiday in a shop - just providing some context), they had BBC Radio 3 on and I was really impressed with what I was hearing although I didn't recognise it - so I hung around until the work ended - it was the last part of 'Grazhyna' - quite impressionistic and poetic (or powerful, tonal and brooding, as I reported in an earlier post on this thread). Actually I did own this work, coupled with Symphony 1 on the Marco Polo label but had hardly ever played it. If you can't wait for the Chandos, the Marco Polo cycle of symphonies + Grazhyna is now on the Naxos label but I'm very excited about this forthcoming release.
Amazingly Karabits performed the Third Symphony in the UK. Here is an interesting review:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/concert-review-bournemouth-symphony-orchestra-kirill-karabits-at-the-great-hall-exeter-c0bhtmtfd
Having been to Kyiv in the Ukraine a couple of years ago I'm even more interested in Lyatoshinsky's music.
And here's a clip of the rehearsal of Symphony 3:
https://youtu.be/FFpaOn-hlL0
Wonderful news, Jeffrey! I haven't gotten around to listening to Symphony 3 yet but I know
Grazhyna which is a wonderfully atmospheric work. As far as his other works go, Symphony 2 is a really powerful, doom-laden work which sounds quite unlike works written around the same time by, say, Prokofiev or Shostakovich. It has that sense of impending catastrophe that appeals to us so much, Jeffrey ;D Symphony 1 is also quite fine with echoes of Glière and Scriabin, if less memorable than no. 2.
Quote from: kyjo on July 31, 2018, 07:37:00 AM
Wonderful news, Jeffrey! I haven't gotten around to listening to Symphony 3 yet but I know Grazhyna which is a wonderfully atmospheric work. As far as his other works go, Symphony 2 is a really powerful, doom-laden work which sounds quite unlike works written around the same time by, say, Prokofiev or Shostakovich. It has that sense of impending catastrophe that appeals to us so much, Jeffrey ;D Symphony 1 is also quite fine with echoes of Glière and Scriabin, if less memorable than no. 2.
Thank you Kyle for the interesting response :)
David Fanning, the musicologist, rates No.1 as Lyatoshynsky's finest but that is not my view at all - it is my least favourite. If you like No.2 I'm sure that you'll enjoy No.3 which despite an upbeat finale, conveys just the right sense of impending doom and looming catastrophe which appeals to us so much 8)
A new recording of it is great news.
Does anyone know when the Kirill Karabits/Bournemouth recording of Lyatoshinsky's No. 3 is coming?
Quote from: relm1 on November 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Does anyone know when the Kirill Karabits/Bournemouth recording of Lyatoshinsky's No. 3 is coming?
January I've been told by Chandos.
Really looking forward to it.
I have nos 3 and 4 on Russian Disc. Time for new versions and a completion of the series, I think :).
Quote from: André on November 18, 2018, 12:31:40 PM
I have nos 3 and 4 on Russian Disc. Time for new versions and a completion of the series, I think :).
Most definitely :)
Grazhyna, with which the new recording of Symphony 3 is to be coupled, is considered by some to be Lyatoshinsky's finest work.
My first glimpse of the new release. Scheduled for 4th January 2019. I suspect it will be one of my favourite discs of next year:
I like the cover image.
Quote from: vandermolen on December 06, 2018, 10:25:03 AM
My first glimpse of the new release. Scheduled for 4th January 2019. I suspect it will be one of my favourite discs of next year:
I like the cover image.
SUPER HYPER ULTRA SAC-CD?!
Count me in!
The downloads for the Karabits disc are already available. The Kuchar recordings with the Ukrainian orchestra seem very committed to me, so I'm not sure I'll bite on this new recording, though I'm a Karabits fan.
https://www.chandos.net/products/catalogue/CHAN%205233
Quote from: Daverz on December 07, 2018, 10:31:52 PM
The downloads for the Karabits disc are already available. The Kuchar recordings with the Ukrainian orchestra seem very committed to me, so I'm not sure I'll bite on this new recording, though I'm a Karabits fan.
https://www.chandos.net/products/catalogue/CHAN%205233
The combination of my two favourite Lyatoshynsky works makes this very appealing to me. I have three other recordings on Marco Polo (Naxos) and two different versions on Russian Disc. ::)
This new release will be another great hit by Chandos. Let's hope they will record the whole cycle, and why not, include others of his orchestral works that haven't seen the light of day.
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on December 08, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
This new release will be another great hit by Chandos. Let's hope they will record the whole cycle, and why not, include others of his orchestral works that haven't seen the light of day.
I agree Cesar! Good point.
:)
Quote from: vandermolen on December 09, 2018, 12:23:52 AM
I agree Cesar! Good point.
:)
According to Wikipedia, it lists the next works:
Orchestral
Fantastic March opus 3 (1920)
Overture on four Ukrainian Folk themes opus 20 (1927)
Suite from the Opera "The Golden Tire" opus 23 (1928)
Lyric Poem (1947)
Song of the reunification of Russia opus 49 (1949–1950)
Waltz (1951)
Suite from the Film music "Taras Shevchenko" opus 51 (1952)
Slavonic Concerto for piano and orchestra opus 54 (1953)
Suite from the Play "Romeo and Juliet" opus 56 (1955)
"On the Banks of Vistula", symphonic poem opus 59 (1958)
Orchestration of String Quartet No. 2 A major opus 4 (No. 2 Intermezzo) for orchestra (1960)
Polish Suite opus 60 (1961)
Slavonic Overture opus 61 (1961)
Lyric Poem "To the Memory of Gliere" opus 66 (1964)
Slavonic Suite opus 68 (1966)
Festive Overture opus 70 (1967)
Vocal/choral orchestral
Festive Cantata "To the 60th Anniversary of Stalin" after Rilskov for mixed chorus and orchestra (1938)
"Inheritance", cantata after Shevtchenko (1939)
Incidental and film music
Music to the Play "Optimistic Tragedy" (1932)
Music to the Film "Taras Shevtshenko" (1950)
Music to the Play "Romeo and Julia" (1954)
Music to the Film "The Hooked Pig's Snout" (1956)
Music to the Film "Ivan Franko" (1956)
Therefore there are no excuses from Chandos to record some of these works. They would be deserved fillers for the next CDs. Some of them are on Youtube, though, but the sound quality is not the best.
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on December 09, 2018, 04:24:47 PM
According to Wikipedia, it lists the next works:
Orchestral
Fantastic March opus 3 (1920)
Overture on four Ukrainian Folk themes opus 20 (1927)
Suite from the Opera "The Golden Tire" opus 23 (1928)
Lyric Poem (1947)
Song of the reunification of Russia opus 49 (1949–1950)
Waltz (1951)
Suite from the Film music "Taras Shevchenko" opus 51 (1952)
Slavonic Concerto for piano and orchestra opus 54 (1953)
Suite from the Play "Romeo and Juliet" opus 56 (1955)
"On the Banks of Vistula", symphonic poem opus 59 (1958)
Orchestration of String Quartet No. 2 A major opus 4 (No. 2 Intermezzo) for orchestra (1960)
Polish Suite opus 60 (1961)
Slavonic Overture opus 61 (1961)
Lyric Poem "To the Memory of Gliere" opus 66 (1964)
Slavonic Suite opus 68 (1966)
Festive Overture opus 70 (1967)
Vocal/choral orchestral
Festive Cantata "To the 60th Anniversary of Stalin" after Rilskov for mixed chorus and orchestra (1938)
"Inheritance", cantata after Shevtchenko (1939)
Incidental and film music
Music to the Play "Optimistic Tragedy" (1932)
Music to the Film "Taras Shevtshenko" (1950)
Music to the Play "Romeo and Julia" (1954)
Music to the Film "The Hooked Pig's Snout" (1956)
Music to the Film "Ivan Franko" (1956)
Therefore there are no excuses from Chandos to record some of these works. They would be deserved fillers for the next CDs. Some of them are on Youtube, though, but the sound quality is not the best.
I think that one or two were recorded by Russian Disc including 'On the Banks of the Vistula'.
Quote from: vandermolen on December 09, 2018, 06:06:27 PM
I think that one or two were recorded by Russian Disc including 'On the Banks of the Vistula'.
Banks of the Vistula is coupled with symphony no 4.
Quote from: André on December 10, 2018, 04:32:46 AM
Banks of the Vistula is coupled with symphony no 4.
Yes, I have that CD.
Today I heard for the first time the Lyatoshynsky Third Symphony...
...and several times in the opening 28 minutes or so, I was rather startled when I thought I was hearing music of...
Bernard Herrmann. I wish I had a copy of the score, so that I could pinpoint the sections which (to my ear) resembled Herrmann's music. I will listen to the performance again (it was on YouTube), and will find the timings.
Has anyone else had a similar impression? I am sure it is purely coincidental: I doubt that Herrmann ever heard Lyatoshynsky's music, or vice-versa.
Quote from: Cato on December 14, 2018, 02:53:48 PM
Today I heard for the first time the Lyatoshynsky Third Symphony...
...and several times in the opening 28 minutes or so, I was rather startled when I thought I was hearing music of...
Bernard Herrmann. I wish I had a copy of the score, so that I could pinpoint the sections which (to my ear) resembled Herrmann's music. I will listen to the performance again (it was on YouTube), and will find the timings.
Has anyone else had a similar impression? I am sure it is purely coincidental: I doubt that Herrmann ever heard Lyatoshynsky's music, or vice-versa.
Interesting although it hadn't occurred to me. The other one that comes to mind is the link between Franz Waxman's score for 'A Place in the Sun' and a passage in Shostakovich's 11th Symphony. The Waxman was written first and Dmitri is unlikely to have seen the film. Oddly enough Waxman conducted the West Coast premiere of Shostakovich's 11th Symphony! There's a video about it which I'll try to post here if I can find it. There has been some discussion about it here before.
Here it is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzti-u2yd3o
I hope you enjoyed the Lyatoshynsky.
Quote from: vandermolen on December 14, 2018, 10:24:49 PM
Interesting although it hadn't occurred to me. The other one that comes to mind is the link between Franz Waxman's score for 'A Place in the Sun' and a passage in Shostakovich's 11th Symphony. The Waxman was written first and Dmitri is unlikely to have seen the film. Oddly enough Waxman conducted the West Coast premiere of Shostakovich's 11th Symphony! There's a video about it which I'll try to post here if I can find it. There has been some discussion about it here before.
Here it is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzti-u2yd3o
I hope you enjoyed the Lyatoshynsky.
A big O-hi-o
YES to that! 8)
Lyatoshynsky is a new fave! ;)
In
Thomas Mann's Doctor Faust the devil discusses music with the composer/main character, and comments that composing has become so difficult without sounding like someone else: you think you have something original, but then realize it sounds too much like
Rimsky-Korsakov.
Just to say that the CD below fully surpassed expectations. It's a wonderful performance and recording of perhaps Lyatoshynsk's/Lyatoshinsky's two greatest work and includes, for the first time, the composer's original last movement of the Symphony 3, complete with pealing bell conclusion. I wrote a bit more on the 'what are you listening to now?' thread.
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Quote from: vandermolen on January 05, 2019, 01:26:07 AM
Just to say that the CD below fully surpassed expectations. It's a wonderful performance and recording of perhaps Lyatoshynsk's/Lyatoshinsky's two greatest work and includes, for the first time, the composer's original last movement of the Symphony 3, complete with pealing bell conclusion. I wrote a bit more on the 'what are you listening to now?' thread.
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Time to use that gift card! 8)
Quote from: vandermolen on January 05, 2019, 01:26:07 AM
Just to say that the CD below fully surpassed expectations. It's a wonderful performance and recording of perhaps Lyatoshynsk's/Lyatoshinsky's two greatest work and includes, for the first time, the composer's original last movement of the Symphony 3, complete with pealing bell conclusion. I wrote a bit more on the 'what are you listening to now?' thread.
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How interesting! It prompts me to listen to it with more desire.
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Listened to twice this afternoon. At first hearing some things register, others don't. On second hearing the symphony makes more sense structurally and thematically. Compared to the third symphony, the fourth is still rather extravagantly scored, the rich textures much more delicate and contributing impressively to the late-romantic, almost deliquescent atmosphere. Cast in 3 movements, the symphony's kernel is the gloomy, gothic central Lento tenebroso based on the famous novel Bruges la morte (1892) by belgian symbolist writer Georges Rodenbach (also set to music by Korngold). Much use is made of spooky harp runs and saxophone colourings. The finale is also quite impressive in its sullenness and contained vehemence. It ends softly. Very impressive and altogether more successful as "pure music" than the more overtly dramatic 3rd symphony. Lyatoshynsky sounds like a more direct and expressive version of Myaskovsky and a not too distant predecessor of Schnittke (the very early symphonic works).
The two symphonic poems that follow are good but sound rather less inspired.
Quote from: André on January 06, 2019, 05:46:01 PM
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Listened to twice this afternoon. At first hearing some things register, others don't. On second hearing the symphony makes more sense structurally and thematically. Compared to the third symphony, the fourth is still rather extravagantly scored, the rich textures much more delicate and contributing impressively to the late-romantic, almost deliquescent atmosphere. Cast in 3 movements, the symphony's kernel is the gloomy, gothic central Lento tenebroso based on the famous novel Bruges la morte (1892) by belgian symbolist writer Georges Rodenbach (also set to music by Korngold). Much use is made of spooky harp runs and saxophone colourings. The finale is also quite impressive in its sullenness and contained vehemence. It ends softly. Very impressive and altogether more successful as "pure music" than the more overtly dramatic 3rd symphony. Lyatoshynsky sounds like a more direct and expressive version of Myaskovsky and a not too distant predecessor of Schnittke (the very early symphonic works).
The two symphonic poems that follow are good but sound rather less inspired.
Very interesting analysis Andre which encourages me to listen to it again. I have the CPO recording as well.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 05, 2019, 01:26:07 AM
Just to say that the CD below fully surpassed expectations. It's a wonderful performance and recording of perhaps Lyatoshynsk's/Lyatoshinsky's two greatest work and includes, for the first time, the composer's original last movement of the Symphony 3, complete with pealing bell conclusion. I wrote a bit more on the 'what are you listening to now?' thread.
[asin]B07KBQMHSV[/asin]
This performance also uses the bells, but they seem somewhat drowned out, or was I expecting too much?
https://www.youtube.com/v/c3abzxh_1hU
The Lviv Philharmonic (Lvov, Lwow, Lemberg) conducted by
Myron Yusypovych
Review of the new Chandos CD:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2019/Jan/Lyatoshynsky_sy3_CHSA5233.htm
Quote from: vandermolen on January 05, 2019, 01:26:07 AM
Just to say that the CD below fully surpassed expectations. It's a wonderful performance and recording of perhaps Lyatoshynsk's/Lyatoshinsky's two greatest work and includes, for the first time, the composer's original last movement of the Symphony 3, complete with pealing bell conclusion. I wrote a bit more on the 'what are you listening to now?' thread.
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The Scherzo on the radio - BBC Radio 3 Record Review NOW!
:)
Quote from: vandermolen on January 10, 2019, 08:44:02 AM
Review of the new Chandos CD:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2019/Jan/Lyatoshynsky_sy3_CHSA5233.htm
It gets trashed in the "Second Thoughts" survey (PDF):
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2019/Jan/Winter_2019_1.pdf
Quote from: Daverz on January 12, 2019, 12:24:07 AM
It gets trashed in the "Second Thoughts" survey (PDF):
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2019/Jan/Winter_2019_1.pdf
Today I had a look at one of those silly sponsored links of the « 10 foods you should avoid » type. This one was the 10 ugliest cars ever made. Surprise: I liked most of them, even owned one for years with much satisfaction - including aesthetic. It seems that originality and a taste for the unusual are cardinal sins to some people ::).
There's no accounting for particular tastes. It seems to me that the second Musicweb reviewer has a particular distaste for soviet era symphonies. I don't buy them (figuratively) automatically, but they are often very original and eloquent within their specific genre. That's certainly the case for Lyatoshynsky. The first reviewer is certainly more objective and less prone to misleading metaphors. Their respective views are on pages 16-17 of the pdf document.
Quote from: André on January 12, 2019, 05:01:36 AM
Today I had a look at one of those silly sponsored links of the « 10 foods you should avoid » type. This one was the 10 ugliest cars ever made. Surprise: I liked most of them, even owned one for years with much satisfaction - including aesthetic. It seems that originality and a taste for the unusual are cardinal sins to some people ::).
There's no accounting for particular tastes. It seems to me that the second Musicweb reviewer has a particular distaste for soviet era symphonies. I don't buy them (figuratively) automatically, but they are often very original and eloquent within their specific genre. That's certainly the case for Lyatoshynsky. The first reviewer is certainly more objective and less prone to misleading metaphors. Their respective views are on pages 16-17 of the pdf document.
Given the censorship and the threat of Siberia - or worse! - hanging over every head under Communism in Russia, it is amazing that artists of any kind could create anything but the most timid treacle. It seems that any work daring to push a boundary - which is the essence of The New - was a risk. Recall that
Shostakovich kept a suitcase ready for "internal exile" to the GULAG.
Lyatoshynsky was certainly pushing as much as he could! Nobody in Russia at the time, however, could dare to be the Russian
Charles Ives and keep an intact life.
I was comparing the recordings of the Symphony No. 3 (Naxos and Chandos), likewise I did the same for Grazhyna and my conclusions point that the Naxos recordings are much more dramatic and intense, I was overwhelmed even more by them than those of Chandos. Nevertheless, it's good to have another recording in excellent sound quality.
In addition, I too played the Symphony No. 1 and wow wow! This is a bath of sensuality and lush harmonies, what stunning music! I'm very glad for having revisited it! There is an evident (?) influence of Glière in the use of the woodwinds (think of Ilya Murometz). I'm a sucker for the way they sound.
That Naxos (former Marco Polo) cycle is, for me, one of the greatest they've ever made.
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on February 06, 2019, 06:41:27 PM
I was comparing the recordings of the Symphony No. 3 (Naxos and Chandos), likewise I did the same for Grazhyna and my conclusions point that the Naxos recordings are much more dramatic and intense, I was overwhelmed even more by them than those of Chandos. Nevertheless, it's good to have another recording in excellent sound quality.
In addition, I too played the Symphony No. 1 and wow wow! This is a bath of sensuality and lush harmonies, what stunning music! I'm very glad for having revisited it! There is an evident (?) influence of Glière in the use of the woodwinds (think of Ilya Murometz). I'm a sucker for the way they sound.
That Naxos (former Marco Polo) cycle is, for me, one of the greatest they've ever made.
Interesting feedback Cesar. I recall the musicologist David Fanning stating that he thought that Symphony 1 was Lyatoshynsky's finest symphony. I know that some consider that the performance on Russian Disc is the finest of Symphony 3. Still, great that we have three recordings to compare now.
Quote from: vandermolen on February 06, 2019, 10:34:12 PM
Interesting feedback Cesar. I recall the musicologist David Fanning stating that he thought that Symphony 1 was Lyatoshynsky's finest symphony. I know that some consider that the performance on Russian Disc is the finest of Symphony 3. Still, great that we have three recordings to compare now.
I never got any Russian Disc of those recordings :(
Fanning is not far from truth, certainly the 1st is his most lyrical and resplendent, something for wallowing! The one I like the least is the 4th, yet I do find pleasure when hearing it.
I have the Russian Disc issues of symphonies 3 and 4. I like the soviet style of orchestral playing (fruity, braying brass) and air hangar engineering. Typical of its time and place.
I've decided to go for some more, so I ordered these from the market place today:
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Maybe nos 4 and 5 from that series will follow.
Quote from: André on February 07, 2019, 12:33:55 PM
I have the Russian Disc issues of symphonies 3 and 4. I like the soviet style of orchestral playing (fruity, braying brass) and air hangar engineering. Typical of its time and place.
I've decided to go for some more, so I ordered these from the market place today:
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Maybe nos 4 and 5 from that series will follow.
A great series Andre. I like Grazhyna very much, especially the searching and poetic last few minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/v/IdUUO_AKNO8
An epic work. Very in the vein of Soviet composers close to Khachaturian, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Kabalevsky, just that this sounds more like from Eastern Europe. The Slavonic element is more present.
By coincidence, I listened to the 3rd Symphony last night. I really like it, it's appropriately epic in places. My only real problem is how incessant the three-note motif in the second movement is. It's just constantly there, to the point of annoyance.
Quote from: Maestro267 on August 30, 2020, 12:50:51 AM
By coincidence, I listened to the 3rd Symphony last night. I really like it, it's appropriately epic in places. My only real problem is how incessant the three-note motif in the second movement is. It's just constantly there, to the point of annoyance.
Actually I don't mind that anymore than I mind the repeated three-note motif the second movement of Vaughan Williams's 6th Symphony and Glazunov's 8th Symphony. I quite like the ominous feel which is common to all three works. Coincidentally I just picked out Lyatoshynsky's 2nd and 3rd symphonies to play.
It's weird. The Lyatoshynsky motif feels particularly intrusive. I guess it can be seen as ominous, but it just didn't hit me right yesterday. Thankfully the rest of the symphony more than makes up for that personal grievance.
Quote from: Maestro267 on August 30, 2020, 02:45:45 AM
It's weird. The Lyatoshynsky motif feels particularly intrusive. I guess it can be seen as ominous, but it just didn't hit me right yesterday. Thankfully the rest of the symphony more than makes up for that personal grievance.
I totally understand that - I wonder if I'll find it annoying when I next listen to it!
Your mentioning of Glazunov 8 as far as incessant 3-note motifs goes made me revisit that, and I didn't even notice it at all, so if it was there (and I have no reason to doubt you at all), it was nowhere near intrusive, or maybe it was consonant with the rest of the music.
Quote from: Maestro267 on August 30, 2020, 06:13:21 AM
Your mentioning of Glazunov 8 as far as incessant 3-note motifs goes made me revisit that, and I didn't even notice it at all, so if it was there (and I have no reason to doubt you at all), it was nowhere near intrusive, or maybe it was consonant with the rest of the music.
2nd movement I think.
From about 45 seconds in:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=glazunov+symphony+8&&view=detail&mid=0BBD5B87EC482DD1178D0BBD5B87EC482DD1178D&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dglazunov%2Bsymphony%2B8%26FORM%3DHDRSC4
My memory recalled the 2nd Symphony as a nightmarish, cataclysmic work; and certainly upon revisiting the work last night, I had remembered correctly! One can see why, as with Shostakovich's 4th and Popov's 1st, the symphony landed the composer in some serious trouble with the Soviet authorities. This music rises to truly terrifying climaxes rife with dissonance, but there are also moments of sinuous, "exotic" lyricism (esp. in the slow mvt.) that perhaps recall Glière. Lyatoshynsky's writing for the low brass and harp is particularly arresting. Some passages even recall the more chromatic moments in John Williams' film scores! The Kuchar performance on Naxos is quite good (though the sound is a bit congested); it would be nice to hear Karabits tackle this symphony as well, aided of course by Chandos' superior sound.
Quote from: kyjo on September 17, 2020, 08:05:18 AM
My memory recalled the 2nd Symphony as a nightmarish, cataclysmic work; and certainly upon revisiting the work last night, I had remembered correctly! One can see why, as with Shostakovich's 4th and Popov's 1st, the symphony landed the composer in some serious trouble with the Soviet authorities. This music rises to truly terrifying climaxes rife with dissonance, but there are also moments of sinuous, "exotic" lyricism (esp. in the slow mvt.) that perhaps recall Glière. Lyatoshynsky's writing for the low brass and harp is particularly arresting. Some passages even recall the more chromatic moments in John Williams' film scores! The Kuchar performance on Naxos is quite good (though the sound is a bit congested); it would be nice to hear Karabits tackle this symphony as well, aided of course by Chandos' superior sound.
Yes, I'd love to see a new recording of the work.
A live performance of Symphony No. 3:
https://www.youtube.com/v/c3abzxh_1hU
" love-in "???
Did I already gripe about this one? Ugh. :-X
We've all done embarrassing things in our youth, don't worry.
Tbh...I just assumed it was a snyprrr title... /shrug
Quote from: kyjo on September 17, 2020, 08:05:18 AM
My memory recalled the 2nd Symphony as a nightmarish, cataclysmic work; and certainly upon revisiting the work last night, I had remembered correctly! One can see why, as with Shostakovich's 4th and Popov's 1st, the symphony landed the composer in some serious trouble with the Soviet authorities. This music rises to truly terrifying climaxes rife with dissonance, but there are also moments of sinuous, "exotic" lyricism (esp. in the slow mvt.) that perhaps recall Glière. Lyatoshynsky's writing for the low brass and harp is particularly arresting. Some passages even recall the more chromatic moments in John Williams' film scores! The Kuchar performance on Naxos is quite good (though the sound is a bit congested); it would be nice to hear Karabits tackle this symphony as well, aided of course by Chandos' superior sound.
Your description uses all the words needed for me to salivate. Must seek this out!
Quote from: Maestro267 on October 17, 2020, 06:09:12 AM
Tbh...I just assumed it was a snyprrr title... /shrug
No, the thread got 'moved' way back, and the 'love in' thing was added when it re-appeared. >:D I finally removed it from my posts in the thread Friday. The whole 'hippie' thing was detestable from the standpoint of those of us who were rooted in Ludwig Van, Coltrane, The Who, and Free back then. Those chaps didn't wash! Why punish the father of Ukrainian music for that?!? :P
So I've just started watching that performance of No. 3 on Youtube posted above, and...I think that repeating motif in the second movement is the same as the first three notes of the entire symphony.
I hadn't noticed there is a recording of his piano trios. A CD I'll be listening to soon.
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Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 05, 2022, 09:35:02 AM
I hadn't noticed there is a recording of his piano trios. A CD I'll be listening to soon.
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273a8d63741c5b1ef66607bdf19)
Well, I loved the Piano Quintet Cesar.
Quote from: ultralinear on October 06, 2022, 03:17:26 AM
Kirill Karabits will be conducting the 3rd Symphony at the Barbican in London next January. (https://www.barbican.org.uk/whats-on/2023/event/bbc-symphony-orchestrakarabits-anna-fedorova) :) As it's the BBCSO it'll most likely be broadcast/streamed at or around the same time.
Great news - I might try to get to that as long as there is not another rail strike. Thanks for alerting us.
Quote from: ultralinear on October 06, 2022, 05:16:07 AM
On a Sunday in January there will almost certainly be no trains from here even without a rail strike, due to the perennial "engineering works" - so I'm mentally preparing myself for the drive in. ::) ;D
I couldn't face another drive-in following the Max Richter concert at the Barbican about a week ago.
Quote from: ultralinear on October 29, 2022, 06:20:03 AM
National Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine will be performing the 2nd Symphony in London next October. More details in the Concerts thread. (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,429.msg1478714.html#msg1478714)
Nice! I have the symphonies on my Wish List. One of these days ....
I've bought tickets for the 3rd Symphony (Karabits) in London in January.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 29, 2022, 09:06:40 AM
I've bought tickets for the 3rd Symphony (Karabits) in London in January.
Nice!
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 05, 2022, 09:35:02 AM
I hadn't noticed there is a recording of his piano trios. A CD I'll be listening to soon.
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273a8d63741c5b1ef66607bdf19)
Thanks for the heads-up, Cesar! The more we can hear by this significant composer, the better. His symphonies are really strong, "meaty" works often full of great drama and intensity. They also (with the exception of the 1st) are quite distinctive in idiom, not too derivative of anyone else.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 29, 2022, 09:06:40 AM
I've bought tickets for the 3rd Symphony (Karabits) in London in January.
Oh, an opportunity that can't be missed, Jeffrey! Enjoy!
Quote from: kyjo on October 30, 2022, 06:36:40 AM
Thanks for the heads-up, Cesar! The more we can hear by this significant composer, the better. His symphonies are really strong, "meaty" works often full of great drama and intensity. They also (with the exception of the 1st) are quite distinctive in idiom, not too derivative of anyone else.
The two piano trios left a good impression on me, above all the Op. 41. A memorable piece. Not groundbreaking works, but well-written, passionate and expressive they are, in a late/post-Romantic fashion. Even though it's not an ideal recording, the performances are convincing.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 30, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Oh, an opportunity that can't be missed, Jeffrey! Enjoy!
Thanks Cesar! :)
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 30, 2022, 06:25:37 PM
The two piano trios left a good impression on me, above all the Op. 41. A memorable piece. Not groundbreaking works, but well-written, passionate and expressive they are, in a late/post-Romantic fashion. Even though it's not an ideal recording, the performances are convincing.
Thanks for the report, Cesar!
Just returned from a great concert in London, featuring Rachmaninov's 3rd Piano Concerto and Lyatoshynsky's epic 3rd Symphony (original pre-censorship, version). I'm so glad that I made the effort to go to this concert (at the Barbican Hall) - probably the only opportunity I will ever have to hear this work live. It was especially moving as the concert featured a Ukrainian soloist (Anna Fedorova) and a Ukrainian conductor (Kirill Karabits) as well as the BBC SO. Fedorova played a soulful Ukrainian piano work as an encore and it was all very moving. My wife enjoyed the Rachmaninov very much but not the Lyatoshynsky symphony (whispering to me 'Sounds like World War Three' and 'sounds like 'Planet of the Apes') but my brother, my daughter and son-in-law as well as an old friend enjoyed the whole concert. It was very special and if you have access to BBC Radio 3 it is going to be broadcast on Tuesday at 7.30pm (GMT) and will then be available on BBC Sounds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001gyn0
Concerts featuring works like that Lyatoshinsky's symphony have to be special indeed, Jeffrey. How refreshing it would be if most of orchestras (or those in charge of programming the pieces) realized there is more music apart from the same hackneyed stuff. Glad your family and you enjoyed it very much.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 15, 2023, 04:36:40 PMConcerts featuring works like that Lyatoshinsky's symphony have to be special indeed, Jeffrey. How refreshing it would be if most of orchestras (or those in charge of programming the pieces) realized there is more music apart from the same hackneyed stuff. Glad your family and you enjoyed it very much.
I totally agree Cesar. The concert hall was packed last night.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 15, 2023, 12:32:37 PMJust returned from a great concert in London, featuring Rachmaninov's 3rd Piano Concerto and Lyatoshynsky's epic 3rd Symphony (original pre-censorship, version). I'm so glad that I made the effort to go to this concert (at the Barbican Hall) - probably the only opportunity I will ever have to hear this work live. It was especially moving as the concert featured a Ukrainian soloist (Anna Fedorova) and a Ukrainian conductor (Kirill Karabits) as well as the BBC SO. Fedorova played a soulful Ukrainian piano work as an encore and it was all very moving. My wife enjoyed the Rachmaninov very much but not the Lyatoshynsky symphony (whispering to me 'Sounds like World War Three' and 'sounds like 'Planet of the Apes') but my brother, my daughter and son-in-law as well as an old friend enjoyed the whole concert. It was very special and if you have access to BBC Radio 3 it is going to be broadcast on Tuesday at 7.30pm (GMT) and will then be available on BBC Sounds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001gyn0
How does the Symphony No. 3 differ from its original and censored version? I would never have imagined that Lyatoshynsky's No. 3 sounds anything like Planet of the Apes which features a wide range of exotic percussion from all over the world.
Quote from: relm1 on January 16, 2023, 05:47:31 AMHow does the Symphony No. 3 differ from its original and censored version? I would never have imagined that Lyatoshynsky's No. 3 sounds anything like Planet of the Apes which features a wide range of exotic percussion from all over the world.
Yes, I didn't agree with my wife's 'Planet of the Apes' comment either. The original version makes use of tubular bells at the end - a great moment which is missing from the revised version. The revised version has, I believe, a more conventional up-beat ending - the original version is more paradoxical, less conventional and IMO more moving (sorry, this isn't a very musical description). You can hear the original version on Karabits's Chandos recording. every other recording (including the new Naxos boxed set) used the revised version.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 15, 2023, 04:36:40 PMConcerts featuring works like that Lyatoshinsky's symphony have to be special indeed, Jeffrey. How refreshing it would be if most of orchestras (or those in charge of programming the pieces) realized there is more music apart from the same hackneyed stuff. Glad your family and you enjoyed it very much.
Thanks to the BBC for that!!
Quote from: Roasted Swan on January 16, 2023, 08:47:11 AMThanks to the BBC for that!!
It's being broadcast this Tuesday at 7.30 pm (UK time) on BBC Radio 3.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 15, 2023, 12:32:37 PM'sounds like 'Planet of the Apes'
That's threatening me with a good time.
I thoroughly enjoyed the Kirill Karabits's concert performance of Lyatoshynsky's Symphony No. 3. I think this performance is better than the chandos recording. That must have been amazing to hear live!
Quote from: relm1 on January 18, 2023, 05:00:47 PMI thoroughly enjoyed the Kirill Karabits's concert performance of Lyatoshynsky's Symphony No. 3. I think this performance is better than the chandos recording. That must have been amazing to hear live!
Glad you enjoyed it.
It was a very moving occasion and I'm so glad that I made the effort, dragging my family along as well, to go there. Both works (Rachamaninov/Lyatoshynsky) received standing ovations from the packed audience and the moving Silvestrov piano encore in the first half added to the poignancy of the evening. The pianist herself looked very emotional as she came off stage. I agree that the performance of the Lyatoshynsky was terrific.
Here's a review of the concert which I found online:
https://bachtrack.com/review-karabits-fedorova-lyatoshynsky-rachmaninov-bbcso-barbican-january-2023
Quote from: vandermolen on January 19, 2023, 12:25:27 AMGlad you enjoyed it.
It was a very moving occasion and I'm so glad that I made the effort, dragging my family along as well, to go there. Both works (Rachamaninov/Lyatoshynsky) received standing ovations from the packed audience and the moving Silvestrov piano encore in the first half added to the poignancy of the evening. The pianist herself looked very emotional as she came off stage. I agree that the performance of the Lyatoshynsky was terrific.
Here's a review of the concert which I found online:
https://bachtrack.com/review-karabits-fedorova-lyatoshynsky-rachmaninov-bbcso-barbican-january-2023
Did you say the concert might be on line?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 19, 2023, 09:52:54 AMDid you say the concert might be on line?
On BBC Sounds for 30 days I think
Karl but I'm not sure if you have access to it in downtown Boston!
Here's the link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001gyn0
Quote from: vandermolen on January 19, 2023, 10:48:32 AMOn BBC Sounds for 30 days I think Karl but I'm not sure if you have access to it in downtown Boston!
Here's the link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001gyn0
Thanks! I know a work-around.
on him
https://slukh.media/en/texts/borys-lyatoshynskyj/
Quote from: Roy Bland on January 21, 2023, 07:40:33 AMon him
https://slukh.media/en/texts/borys-lyatoshynskyj/
Thanks.
Having been privileged to hear Lyatoshynsky's 3rd Symphony live last Sunday, in London, I thought that I'd do a survey of all four CD recordings of the work (two on Russian Disc/one on Marco Polo/Naxos and the more recent Chandos recording). The earliest is the live Mravinsky recording with the Leningrad PO from 1955 (it must be the first recording of the recently completed work). David Fanning in a survey of soviet symphonies (Musicweb) advised against it stating that it was poorly performed and recorded. It's true that the rather raucous recording is characteristic of soviet-era productions of that period. However, I enjoyed the performance itself rather more than did Mr Fanning and felt that it has a pioneering urgency about it. I also enjoyed the Lyadov works (Baba-Yaga and The Enchanted Lake) on the same CD. Far better recorded is the alternative Russian Disc release (1994) with Vladimir Gnedash conducting the Ukrainian Radio and TV SO. I don't think that anyone would be disappointed with this performance although, arguably, even better is the contemporaneous (1993) release on Marco Polo/Naxos with the Ukrainian State SO conducted by Theodore Kuchar. This IMO is the best version of the revised edition of the Symphony No.3. Best of all, however, is the recent (2019) recording of the original version (the only one featuring the original, rather darker, finale) conducted by Kirill Karabits (the conductor from last Sunday) with the Bournemouth SO on Chandos (last Sunday's concert which is still available online for c.25 days on BBC Sounds was with the BBC SO). This one also features the most interesting filler - 'Grazhyna' which is arguably Lyatoshynsky's masterpiece. So, in conclusion, being an obsessive completist, I wouldn't be without any of these recordings. However I think that the Naxos/Marco Polo recording is the best one of the revised version, although the No.1 choice has to be the Karabits recording of the original version on Chandos.
PS I wonder how many people spend their Saturday nights conducting comparative surveys of recordings of Lyatoshynsky's 3rd Symphony 8)
Quote from: vandermolen on January 21, 2023, 11:51:44 AMHaving been privileged to hear Lyatoshynsky's 3rd Symphony live last Sunday, in London, I thought that I'd do a survey of all four CD recordings of the work (two on Russian Disc/one on Marco Polo/Naxos and the more recent Chandos recording). The earliest is the live Mravinsky recording with the Leningrad PO from 1955 (it must be the first recording of the recently completed work). David Fanning in a survey of soviet symphonies (Musicweb) advised against it stating that it was poorly performed and recorded. It's true that the rather raucous recording is characteristic of soviet-era productions of that period. However, I enjoyed the performance itself rather more than did Mr Fanning and felt that it has a pioneering urgency about it. I also enjoyed the Lyadov works (Baba-Yaga and The Enchanted Lake) on the same CD. Far better recorded is the alternative Russian Disc release (1994) with Vladimir Gnedash conducting the Ukrainian Radio and TV SO. I don't think that anyone would be disappointed with this performance although, arguably, even better is the contemporaneous (1993) release on Marco Polo/Naxos with the Ukrainian State SO conducted by Theodore Kuchar. This IMO is the best version of the revised edition of the Symphony No.3. Best of all, however, is the recent (2019) recording of the original version (the only one featuring the original, rather darker, finale) conducted by Kirill Karabits (the conductor from last Sunday) with the Bournemouth SO on Chandos (last Sunday's concert which is still available online for c.25 days on BBC Sounds was with the BBC SO). This one also features the most interesting filler - 'Grazhyna' which is arguably Lyatoshynsky's masterpiece. So, in conclusion, being an obsessive completist, I wouldn't be without any of these recordings. However I think that the Naxos/Marco Polo recording is the best one of the revised version, although the No.1 choice has to be the Karabits recording of the original version on Chandos.
PS I wonder how many people spend their Saturday nights conducting comparative surveys of recordings of Lyatoshynsky's 3rd Symphony 8)
My favorite is the 1993 Marco Polo/Naxos with the Ukrainian State SO conducted by Theodore Kuchar because for me, it has the best first and second movement.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 19, 2023, 10:48:32 AMOn BBC Sounds for 30 days I think Karl but I'm not sure if you have access to it in downtown Boston!
Here's the link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001gyn0
Superb piece! Great concert!
Quote from: relm1 on January 21, 2023, 05:15:31 PMMy favorite is the 1993 Marco Polo/Naxos with the Ukrainian State SO conducted by Theodore Kuchar because for me, it has the best first and second movement.
Yes, it's a fine recording I agree.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 21, 2023, 05:33:32 PMSuperb piece! Great concert!
Good to know
Karl.
I'm delighted that you enjoyed it.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 21, 2023, 11:51:44 AMBest of all, however, is the recent (2019) recording of the original version (the only one featuring the original, rather darker, finale) conducted by Kirill Karabits (the conductor from last Sunday) with the Bournemouth SO on Chandos (last Sunday's concert which is still available online for c.25 days on BBC Sounds was with the BBC SO). This one also features the most interesting filler - 'Grazhyna' which is arguably Lyatoshynsky's masterpiece.
I wound up getting this as an mp3 album. In trying to find information about
Grazhyna (beautiful score, BTW) I read [most of] an abysmally sneering, dismissive review of the composer. None of which means a damn, but I mention it only because I wonder that reviewers can still be so blinkered and fatuous.
Kirill Karabits will be conducting the Bournemouth SO in a performance of Lyatoshynsky's 4th Symphony in London's Festival Hall next May 19th. All-Ukrainian program also includes Suite from La Fleurette Rouge by Thomas de Hartmann. Tickets go on general sale next Monday 30th Oct.
Many thanks for posting this.
I might try to go. I prefer the Festival Hall to the Barbican (where I heard the 3rd Symphony) as a concert venue. In the meantime I will listen to the 4th Symphony again.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 27, 2023, 05:23:41 AMMany thanks for posting this.
I might try to go. I prefer the Festival Hall to the Barbican (where I heard the 3rd Symphony) as a concert venue. In the meantime I will listen to the 4th Symphony again.
Last week I heard the 2nd in Cadogan Hall -
not my favourite venue - and TBH I wasn't that taken by the performance, albeit that I only know the Kuchar recording, and this was the same band (though a later incarnation with a different conductor.)
That 3rd with Karabits was in a different league.