We all fret about the top 10 composers, listing favourites, mostly well-known composers in no need of additional recognition. It's past that mark that things start to become interesting, because choices are more individualized.
So, list your next 11-25 favourite composers and let's have some fun!
This is my 1-10 list, in no particular order:
Reger
Delius
Elgar
Beethoven
J.S. Bach
Haydn
Prokofiev
Wagner
Bruckner
Arnold
Nos 11-25, again in no particular order:
Brahms
Schubert
C.P.E. Bach
Boccherini
Dvorak
Verdi
Vaughan Williams
Mahler
Koechlin
Shostakovich
Chopin
Schmitt
Sibelius
Tchaikovsky
Stravinsky
I guess I again come up with well-known composers ;D
Top 10 (in alphabetical order):
Beethoven
Brahms
Dvorák
Nielsen
Prokofiev
Respighi
Saint-Saëns
Shostakovich
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan Williams
11-25 (in alphabetical order):
Arnold
Atterberg
Bartók
Bax
Bruckner
Janácek
Langgaard
Mahler
Martinu
Ravel
Schnittke
Schubert
Sibelius
Strauss, Richard
Villa-Lobos
my top 10 are:
Beethoven
Schumann
Schubert
Bartók
Bach
Brahms
Mozart
Haydn
Dvořák
Cage
and nos 11-25:
Chopin
Janáček
Holliger
Tchaikovsky
Berlioz
Sciarrino
Webern
Kurtág
Fauré
Ferrari
Stockhausen
Ferneyhough
Kayn
Grisey
Poulenc
all in approximate order of preference/importance
In alphabetical order, because ordering my preferences to an even greater degree would make this feel more arbitrary still:
Top 10?
JS Bach
Beethoven
Brahms
Debussy
Mahler
Monteverdi
Mozart
Schoenberg
Stravinsky
Takemitsu
Next 15?
Bartok
Berg
Boulez
Bruckner
Carter
Chopin
Haydn
Hosokawa
Lassus
Machaut
Ockeghem
Schumann
Sibelius
Wagner
Webern
#1-10 (in no particular order)
Shostakovich
Sibelius
Bartók
Stravinsky
Nielsen
Vaughan Williams
Ravel
Ives
Martinů
Szymanowski
#11-25 (in no particular order)
Villa-Lobos
Prokofiev
Rachmaninov
Debussy
Copland
Elgar
Berg
Mahler
Janáček
Pärt
Barber
Schnittke
Takemitsu
Dvořák
Hartmann (K.A.)
Ok, let's try
1-2 in that order:
Wagner
JS Bach
3-10 alphabetically:
Beethoven
Berg
Debussy
Mahler
Monteverdi
Mozart
Nono
Schubert
11-25 alphabetically:
Berio
Boulez
Brahms
Chopin
Gesualdo
Haydn
Josquin
Mendelssohn
Puccini
Schoenberg
Schumann
Shostakovich
Stravinsky
Verdi
Vivaldi
1-10 in order of preference:
Wagner
Debussy
Sibelius
Puccini
Verdi
Beethoven
Berlioz
Rachmaninov
Richard Strauss
Tchaikovsky
11-25, also roughly in order of preference
Saint-Saëns
Liszt
Mahler
Carl Maria von Weber
Korngold
Bax
Stravinsky
Brahms
Ravel
Rimsky-Korsakov
Gounod
Massenet
Myaskovsky
Shostakovich
Haydn
1. Beethoven
2. Dvorak
3. Schubert
4. Haydn
5. Ravel
6. Janacek
7. Berlioz
8. Chopin
9. Brahms
10. Martinu
and then
11. Tchaikovsky
12. Mingus (sorry, purists!)
13. Sibelius
14. Rimsky-Korsakov
15. Roussel
16. Liszt
17. Prokofiev
18. Rachmaninov
19. Grieg
20. Shostakovich
21. Scarlatti
22. Schumann
23. Bruckner
24. Poulenc
25. Kalliwoda
26. Gershwin (for any jerks who will not accept Mingus)
Your list is not mainly invalid because of Mingus, Kalliwoda or Gershwin but because it lacks both Bach and Mozart :D
5
Bach
Beethoven
Chopin
Mozart
Schubert
10
Brahms
Dvorak
Haydn
Tchaikovsky
Vivaldi
15
Handel
Hummel
Mendelssohn
Schumann
Telemann
20
Boccherini
Monteverdi
Rachmaninoff
Sain-Saens
Weber
25 (Forced)
Bach CPE
Field
Grieg
Paganini
Pergolesi
Quote from: Jo498 on January 25, 2018, 11:36:42 AM
Your list is not mainly invalid because of Mingus, Kalliwoda or Gershwin but because it lacks both Bach and Mozart :D
Mozart was in contention for #26!
Oh, forgot Vivaldi. Not sure if/where he would fit.
OK then, here goes:
My top 10 (in chronological order):
Quote from: ritter on November 15, 2017, 07:45:06 AM
Johann Sebastian Bach
Wolgang Amadeus Mozart
Ludwig van Beethoven
Richard Wagner
Claude Debussy
Manuel de Falla
Arnold Schoenberg
George Enescu
Igor Stravinsky
Pierre Boulez
...and my 11 to 25 (alphabetically):
Alban
BergLuciano
BerioLuigi
BoccheriniFerrucio
BusoniElliott
CarterAlfredo
CasellaLuigi
DallapiccolaCristóbal
HalffterJoseph
HaydnErnst
KrenekBruno
Maderna Gustavo
MahlerClaudio
MonteverdiMaurice
RavelGioacchino
Rossini
Top 10 (in somewhat of an order):
Rachmaninoff
Sibelius
Atterberg
Shostakovich
Dvořák
Brahms
Ravel
Mahler
Elgar
Prokofiev
Top 11-25 (in somewhat of an order):
Braga Santos
Hanson
Vaughan Williams
Arnold
Tchaikovsky
Saint-Saëns
Schubert
Nielsen
Ginastera
Schumann
Fauré
Barber
Hindemith
Martinů
Bax
As ever, it's subject to change, but I think I'm pretty content with my top 15 or so for now 8)
My 1-10:
Bach
Beethoven
Finzi
Glass
Josquin
Ligeti
Mahler
Messiaen
Mozart
Sibelius
My 11-25:
Bartók
Berg
Brahms
Debussy
Fauré
Haydn
Ives
Martinů
Murail
Poulenc
Reich
Saariaho
Schnittke
Schoenberg
Stravinsky
Thread title is misleading. You're all giving composers 1-25 instead of 11-25.
11-20: Ockeghem, Machaut, Ciconia, Tallis, Byrd, Prokofiev, Lassus, Schumann, Schubert, Mahler.
21-25: Chopin, Wagner, Brahms, Bruckner, & De Vitry.
I'm very surprised to see Handel only listed in one person's top 25 list so far. Considering how strongly influenced both Mozart & Beethoven were by Handel, it's most likely that Handel would be on each composers' top 10 list (& certainly on Beethoven's, since we know that he considered Handel, Bach & Mozart to be in a class of their own; although he also greatly admired the "old church" composers too.
I don't see how my top 11-25 can be more interesting than my top 10. I wouldn't be happy if I could only take my 11-25 with me to my desert island, but could be very content with the music of my top 10 on an island for many years:
Josquin Desprez
Guillaume Dufay
J.S.Bach
G.F. Handel
F. J. Haydn
W.A. Mozart
L.V. Beethoven
Claude Debussy
Maurice Ravel
Jean Sibelius
Handel would have been on Bach's, Haydn's, Mozart's, Beethoven's and probably also on Mendelssohn's and Brahms' top lists. But he became eclipsed by Bach in the late 19th century or so while in Mozart's letters he often writes "Bach and Handel" as if there was hardly any difference and both are apparently taken as exemplars of the "learned style".
It cannot have been quite so simple because both Mozart and Haydn had been educated in the learned style in their youth (with Fux' textbook or similar ones) but were nevertheless very impressed when they got to know some works by Bach and Handel, so it probably was not mere technique (were Handel is not that extraordinary or elaborate compared with Bach) but the combination of learned style and emotional expression or whatever. One also has to keep in mind that Bach's choral music was far less known until the early 19th century (Beethoven probably knew bits of the b minor mass and the St. John's but we don't know for sure whereas he knew most of the important keyboard music by Bach) and that Handel's choral style was not only more accessible but less close to the particular regional lutheran church style so it could be more easily adapted in a later more secularized time.
As for lists in this forum you will note that many have hardly interest in any baroque and others very little opera/vocal so it seems not surprising that Handel is not a frequent guest.
(FWIW I had Handel on 8 or 9 in the top 10 thread although admittedly I don't listen all that much to his music nowadays)
Quote from: ørfeo on January 25, 2018, 09:16:25 PM
Thread title is misleading. You're all giving composers 1-25 instead of 11-25.
Person who started the thread did it, so we followed suit >.> (also since most of us, me included, keep updating our top 10 lists to be "top 10 of the moment", I guess I felt like revisiting my actual top 10 in general, of whom Chopin has fallen out and Cage has taken his place.)
In no particular order
Rakhmaninov
Martinů
Brahms
Liszt
Berlioz
Monteverdi
Josquin
Dvořák
Domenico Scarlatti
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Schumann
Bartók
Debussy
Schönberg
It is obviously very helpful to mention the 1-10 because this is an interesting background for the 11-25.
Quote from: Jo498 on January 26, 2018, 03:30:51 AM
It is obviously very helpful to mention the 1-10 because this is an interesting background for the 11-25.
I've no argument with this except for the fact that the original poster seemed to be of the view that the 11-25 was the interesting part.
I dunno, I'm sure we've had actual "Top 25" threads before. It just seems really odd that this was presented as something
new! and
exciting! because in fact it's turned out to be exactly the same as all the other threads of this type.
Sorry, if you expected something "new and exciting"... I agree that it is neither ;)
Quote from: Jo498 on January 26, 2018, 03:30:51 AM
It is obviously very helpful to mention the 1-10 because this is an interesting background for the 11-25.
The original poster merely wanted to provide a background because, obviously, 11-25 follows 1-10. 8)
My list of 11-25 (having just revised my list of 1-10 elsewhere).
Just edged out of the old top 10:
11. JS Bach
12. Rachmaninov
Improvers with potential:
13. Nielsen
14. Mozart
15. Debussy
Damn respectable but not all that likely to make a run for the top 10:
16. Shostakovich
17. Schubert
18. Barber
19. Bridge
20. Nørgård
I'm intrigued but really I need to know more:
21. Mahler
22. Bartok
23. Stravinsky
It's better when he gives me more than 90 seconds of music:
24. Scriabin
Because he's from here and his best moments are amazing:
25. Vine
Top 10
VW
Miaskovsky
Bax
Tubin
Bruckner
Sibelius
Braga Santos
Walton
Shostakovich
Rubbra
Then:
Gliere
Glazunov
Alwyn
Copland
Diamond
Havergal Brian
Rosenberg
Bliss
Stanley Bate
Kinsella
Quote from: vandermolen on January 29, 2018, 12:21:56 PM
Top 10
VW
Miaskovsky
Bax
Tubin
Bruckner
Sibelius
Braga Santos
Walton
Shostakovich
Rubbra
Then:
Gliere
Glazunov
Alwyn
Copland
Diamond
Havergal Brian
Rosenberg
Bliss
Stanley Bate
Kinsella
You can have five more,
Jeffrey ;)
Quote from: North Star on January 29, 2018, 12:33:09 PM
You can have five more, Jeffrey ;)
I never could count! Great news. Thanks :)
Ok here goes - let me think:
Malcolm Arnold
Moeran
Popov
Bloch
Atterberg
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 12, 2014, 06:18:50 AM
Twelve? Let's see . . .
Stravinsky
Schoenberg
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Chopin
Berlioz
JS Bach
Rakhmaninov
Sibelius
Nielsen
Brahms
D. Scarlatti
Bartók
Bruckner
Dvořák
Haydn
Langgaard
Liszt
Martinů
Mennin
Piazzolla
Schnittke
Schuman
Vaughan Williams
Wuorinen
In tidy alphabetical order, and correcting for the fact that I cannot justify leaving LvB and "Wolferl" off my Top 25:
JS Bach
Bartók
Beethoven
Berlioz
Brahms
Bruckner
Chopin
Dvořák
Haydn
Langgaard
Liszt
Martinů
Mozart
Nielsen
Prokofiev
Rakhmaninov
D. Scarlatti
Schnittke
Schoenberg
Schuman
Shostakovich
Sibelius
Stravinsky
Vaughan Williams
Wuorinen
Quote from: North Star on January 26, 2018, 02:20:44 AM
In no particular order
Rakhmaninov
Martinů
Brahms
Liszt
Berlioz
Monteverdi
Josquin
Dvořák
Domenico Scarlatti
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Schumann
Bartók
Debussy
Schönberg
Well if we're really doing Top 1-25...
Bach
Bartók
Beethoven
Berlioz
Brahms
Chopin
Debussy
Dvořák
Haydn
Janáček
Josquin
Liszt
Martinů
Monteverdi
Mozart
Prokofiev
Rakhmaninov
Ravel
D. Scarlatti
Schubert
Schumann
Schönberg
Shostakovich
Sibelius
Stravinsky
Quote from: Alberich on January 25, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
1-10 in order of preference:
Wagner
Debussy
Sibelius
Puccini
Verdi
Beethoven
Berlioz
Rachmaninov
Richard Strauss
Tchaikovsky
11-25, also roughly in order of preference
Saint-Saëns
Liszt
Mahler
Carl Maria von Weber
Korngold
Bax
Stravinsky
Brahms
Ravel
Rimsky-Korsakov
Gounod
Massenet
Myaskovsky
Shostakovich
Haydn
Dammit, I forgot Schumann and Mendelssohn. I suppose a revision is in order. My top 10 stays the same.
Saint-Saëns
Carl Maria von Weber
Mahler
Liszt
Schumann
Mendelssohn
Korngold
Bax
Stravinsky
Brahms
Gounod
Massenet
Rimsky-Korsakov
Ravel
Myaskovsky
My top 10 here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22962.msg1125429.html#msg1125429 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22962.msg1125429.html#msg1125429)
And then 11-25, arranged chronologically
Vivaldi
Telemann
JS Bach
D. Scarlatti
CPE Bach
Joh. Chr. Bach
Boccherini
Spohr
CM von Weber
Saint-Saens
Bizet
Faure
R. Strauss
Enescu
Villa Lobos
Recent runners up: Scriabin (solo piano music only), Poulenc (opera omnia)
Top 25:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Sibelius
Stravinsky
Enescu
Fauré
Poulenc
Britten
Takemitsu
Barber
Ives
Vaughan Williams
Martinů
Szymanowski
Nielsen
Berg
Mahler
Bruckner
Dvořák
Lutoslawski
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Rachmaninov
Janáček
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 06, 2020, 08:28:50 PM
Top 25:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Sibelius
Stravinsky
Enescu
Fauré
Poulenc
Britten
Takemitsu
Barber
Ives
Vaughan Williams
Martinů
Szymanowski
Nielsen
Berg
Mahler
Bruckner
Dvořák
Lutoslawski
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Rachmaninov
Janáček
Takemitsu is another composer I should investigate this year. Any special recommendations?
Quote from: vandermolen on January 06, 2020, 09:52:50 PM
Takemitsu is another composer I should investigate this year. Any special recommendations?
I'd check out the
Requiem for Strings first, Jeffrey. From here, I'd check out any of arrangements of
Toward the Sea. He's a composer whose oeuvre you really just have to dive head-first into.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 07, 2020, 05:39:55 AM
I'd check out the Requiem for Strings first, Jeffrey. From here, I'd check out any of arrangements of Toward the Sea. He's a composer whose oeuvre you really just have to dive head-first into.
Once again many thanks John. I like the sound of 'Requiem for Strings'.
My Top Ten:
Machaut
Dufay
Ockeghem
Bach
Haydn
Beethoven
Liszt
Verdi
Schumann
Brahms
11-25 - first draft
11. Feldman
12. Cage
13. Carter
14. Boulez
15. Bernstein
16. Gershwin
17. Debussy
18. Monteverdi
19. Gesualdo
20. Palestrina
21. Wuorinen
22. Schoenberg
23. Webern
24. Satie
25. Mompou
My lists don't change that much, but here it goes:
1. Brahms
2. Shostakovich
3. Nielsen
4. Dvorak
5. Sibelius
6. Martinu
7. Beethoven
8. Tchaikovsky
9. Vaughan Williams
10. R. Strauss
11. Prokofiev
12. Rachmaninov
13. Langgaard
14. Elgar
15. Schubert
16. Janacek
17. Bruckner
18. Villa-Lobos
19. M. Arnold
20. Alwyn
21. Holmboe
22. Saint-Saëns
23. Respighi
24. Hindemith
25. Tubin
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 06, 2020, 08:28:50 PM
Top 25:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Sibelius
Stravinsky
Enescu
Fauré
Poulenc
Britten
Takemitsu
Barber
Ives
Vaughan Williams
Martinů
Szymanowski
Nielsen
Berg
Mahler
Bruckner
Dvořák
Lutoslawski
Prokofiev
Shostakovich
Rachmaninov
Janáček
I'm not completely satisfied with this list above, so I'm editing it:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Stravinsky
Fauré
Poulenc
Britten
Sibelius
Enescu
Takemitsu
Barber
Mahler
Martinů
Bruckner
Ives
Ligeti
Schoenberg
Berg
Szymanowski
Shostakovich
Prokofiev
Janáček
Falla
Boulanger
1-10
Wagner
Mahler
Bruckner
Haydn
Beethoven
Mozart
Sibelius
Bach
Havergal Brian
Vaughan Williams
11-25
Elgar
Brahms
Dvorak
Richard Strauss
Shostakovich
Prokofiev
Nielsen
Rachmaninoff
Schubert
Franz Schmidt
Schoenberg
Korngold
Ives
Arnold
Lloyd
Quote from: San Antone on January 07, 2020, 04:09:48 PM
1-25 arranged chronologically, and with one edit - Wuorinen replaced with Josquin. I don't think he'd mind. 8) Wuorinen would definitely be #26.
Machaut
Dufay
Ockeghem
Josquin
Palestrina
Gesualdo
Monteverdi
Bach
Haydn
Beethoven
Schumann
Liszt
Verdi
Brahms
Debussy
Satie
Schoenberg
Webern
Mompou
Gershwin
Carter
Cage
Bernstein
Boulez
Feldman
Surprised not to see Poulenc on your list, San Antone, especially given how highly you spoke of his music in the composer's own thread.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 07, 2020, 06:37:08 PM
Surprised not to see Poulenc on your list, San Antone, especially given how highly you spoke of his music in the composer's own thread.
He'd make the Top 50 list. 8)
1-10 (not in order)
Bach
Beethoven
Mozart
Brahms
Schubert
Schumann
Medtner
Alkan
Bruckner
Berlioz
11-25 (not in order)
Haydn
Debussy
Ravel
Mendelssohn
Sibelius
Dvořák
Janáček
R.Strauss
Wagner
Liszt
Korngold
Tchaikovsky
Scriabin
Skalkottas
Charpentier
Top 10 (in no particular order):
Atterberg
Barber
Braga Santos
Damase
Dvořák
Lloyd
Nielsen
Prokofiev
Rachmaninoff
Sibelius
11-25 (in no particular order):
Arnold
Brahms
Bruckner
Casella
Elgar
Fauré
Hanson
Janáček
Martinů
Poulenc
Ravel
Saint-Saëns
Schubert
Vaughan Williams
Walton
Composers who my enthusiasm for has waned: Mahler and Shostakovich
Quote from: kyjo on January 09, 2020, 09:12:21 AMComposers who my enthusiasm for has waned: Mahler and Shostakovich
My enthusiasm for Mahler has only grown in the last 11 years, but I'm with you on Shostakovich. I still find there to be many masterpieces written from him, but I don't quite feel compelled enough to listen to him much these days and when I do, it's usually one of his seminal chamber works. Mahler, on the other hand, is making much more sense and has given me much emotional/intellectual fulfillment. I find
Das Lied von der Erde to be one of the greatest works ever composed. I'm deeply connected to that work. I feel similarly about all of his lieder. His symphonies are still incredible to me despite their over-popularity nowadays.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 10, 2020, 07:16:17 AM
My enthusiasm for Mahler has only grown in the last 11 years, but I'm with you on Shostakovich. I still find there to be many masterpieces written from him, but I don't quite feel compelled enough to listen to him much these days and when I do, it's usually one of his seminal chamber works. Mahler, on the other hand, is making much more sense and has given me much emotional/intellectual fulfillment. I find Das Lied von der Erde to be one of the greatest works ever composed. I'm deeply connected to that work. I feel similarly about all of his lieder. His symphonies are still incredible to me despite their over-popularity nowadays.
Shostakovich still remains a favorite of mine because of the wide range of works he created and the consistency of the music itself. I sometimes feel saturated by some of his works if I listen to them with much frequency. His voice is quite personal and unique, that is another appeal I find interesting on him.
On the other hand, Mahler would have been a strong favorite of mine had he composed in more forms, including chamber works. The Piano Quartet in A minor proved to be an attractive piece. A pity he never returned to that form.
Slight changes, but prompted by my forgetting to include Mozart the first time around... ::)
Quote from: André on January 24, 2018, 04:55:34 PM
This is my 1-10 list, in no particular order:
Reger
Delius
Elgar Mozart
Beethoven
J.S. Bach
Haydn
Prokofiev
Wagner
Bruckner
Arnold
Nos 11-25, again in no particular order:
Brahms
Schubert
C.P.E. Bach
Boccherini
Dvorak
Verdi
Vaughan Williams
Mahler
Koechlin
Shostakovich
Chopin
Schmitt Elgar
Sibelius
Tchaikovsky Kinsella
Stravinsky Gerhard
I guess I again come up with well-known composers ;D
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 10, 2020, 09:25:08 AM
Shostakovich still remains a favorite of mine because of the wide range of works he created and the consistency of the music itself. I sometimes feel saturated by some of his works if I listen to them with much frequency. His voice is quite personal and unique, that is another appeal I find interesting on him.
On the other hand, Mahler would have been a strong favorite of mine had he composed in more forms, including chamber works. The Piano Quartet in A minor proved to be an attractive piece. A pity he never returned to that form.
Well, we could say what you said about Mahler about Bruckner as well, but I certainly don't hold it against either composer because there's not much variety in terms of genre. What both of these composer achieved was absolutely jaw-dropping and incredible. Like I said,
Das Lied von der Erde is just...well, one of my favorite pieces of music ever.
P.S. Love your Langgaard avatar. Eccentric choice. 8)
this isn't something i'd want to spend too much time thinking about, but in these positions I might be putting people like...
Beatriz Ferreya
Ramon Lazkano
Lucia Ronchetti
Mirela Ivičević
Ernst Helmuth Flammer
Anthony Pateras
Pierluigi Billone
Lisa Streich
Matthias Pintscher
Richard Barrett
Jana Winderen
Daniel Blinkhorn
Salvatore Sciarrino
Peter Ablinger
Malin Bång
but this severely restricts who is in my top 10 i guess.
This is why i didn't want to think about it too much!
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 10, 2020, 08:05:04 PM
Well, we could say what you said about Mahler about Bruckner as well, but I certainly don't hold it against either composer because there's not much variety in terms of genre. What both of these composer achieved was absolutely jaw-dropping and incredible. Like I said, Das Lied von der Erde is just...well, one of my favorite pieces of music ever.
P.S. Love your Langgaard avatar. Eccentric choice. 8)
Haha indeed!
As eccentric as his style and personality.
Funnily enough, when I looked at my contribution to this thread some years ago, it was Shostakovich that I noticed as most likely to have risen in the rankings since.
Quote from: kyjo on January 09, 2020, 09:12:21 AM
Top 10 (in no particular order):
Atterberg
Barber
Braga Santos
Damase
Dvořák
Lloyd
Nielsen
Prokofiev
Rachmaninoff
Sibelius
11-25 (in no particular order):
Arnold
Brahms
Bruckner
Casella
Elgar
Fauré
Hanson
Janáček
Martinů
Poulenc
Ravel
Saint-Saëns
Schubert
Vaughan Williams
Walton
Composers who my enthusiasm for has waned: Mahler and Shostakovich
Incredible, the only names for whom I don't share your enthusiasm are Sibelius, Hanson, Atterberg and Lloyd, the latter three because I never really tried. Of course, I would also name a handful of different composers, but even your 19th Century names are largely 'mine' too. :)
Quote from: Christo on January 14, 2020, 12:43:46 AM
Incredible, the only names for whom I don't share your enthusiasm are Sibelius, Hanson, Atterberg and Lloyd, the latter three because I never really tried. Of course, I would also name a handful of different composers, but even your 19th Century names are largely 'mine' too. :)
My recommendations for you:
Hanson: Symphony No.3
Atterberg: Symphony No. 5
Lloyd: Symphony No. 4 (and 7).
Kyle might have other suggestions. Great to see Damase on his list.
;)
Quote from: vandermolen on January 14, 2020, 05:51:06 AM
My recommendations for you:
Hanson: Symphony No.3
Atterberg: Symphony No. 5
Lloyd: Symphony No. 4 (and 7).
Kyle might have other suggestions. Great to see Damase on his list.
;)
Good choices, Jeffrey. Since Hanson shares some elements of Braga Santos's music, it might appeal to Christo's tastes.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 14, 2020, 08:40:33 AM
Good choices, Jeffrey. Since Hanson shares some elements of Braga Santos's music, it might appeal to Christo's tastes.
Thank you Cesar!
:)
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 07, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
I'm not completely satisfied with this list above, so I'm editing it:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Stravinsky
Fauré
Poulenc
Britten
Sibelius
Enescu
Takemitsu
Barber
Mahler
Martinů
Bruckner
Ives
Ligeti
Schoenberg
Berg
Szymanowski
Shostakovich
Prokofiev
Janáček
Falla
Boulanger
Like San Antone, I feel an edit is most definitely in order:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Stravinsky
Fauré
Britten
Sibelius
Enescu
Takemitsu
Barber
Mahler
Martinů
Ives
Ligeti
Schoenberg
Berg
Schnittke
Lutoslawski
Szymanowski
Liszt
Bernstein
Shostakovich
Prokofiev
Janáček
Pärt
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 14, 2020, 08:40:33 AM
Good choices, Jeffrey. Since Hanson shares some elements of Braga Santos's music, it might appeal to Christo's tastes.
NO! You won't win me over by mis-using the very sacred name of
Joly Braga Santos before my very eyes. 8)
Quote from: vandermolen on January 14, 2020, 05:51:06 AM
My recommendations for you:
Hanson: Symphony No.3
Atterberg: Symphony No. 5
Lloyd: Symphony No. 4 (and 7).
Kyle might have other suggestions. Great to see Damase on his list.
;)
Love the Damase symphony, many thanks to both of you. :)
Know Atterberg 7, too Romanticisciscistcist I thought (blame me), heard Lloyd 5-7 and thought it was Elgar, didn't play Hanson in ages since I thought he's an American-American Sibelius and cannot tolerate Sibelius except for Symphony No. 4 and Tapiola and the Kullervo symphony and a few other niceties that often. ???
Thanks very much for your tips, will duly oblige! :D
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 14, 2020, 03:19:31 PM
Like San Antone, I feel an edit is most definitely in order:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Stravinsky
Fauré
Britten
Sibelius
Enescu
Takemitsu
Barber
Mahler
Martinů
Ives
Ligeti
Schoenberg
Berg
Schnittke
Lutoslawski
Szymanowski
Liszt
Bernstein
Shostakovich
Prokofiev
Janáček
Pärt
Wow, I can't believe I left
Stravinsky off my list. I will need to fit him in.
8)
Quote from: Christo on January 14, 2020, 03:37:40 PM
NO! You won't win me over by mis-using the very sacred name of Joly Braga Santos before my very eyes. 8)
Love the Damase symphony, many thanks to both of you. :)
Know Atterberg 7, too Romanticisciscistcist I thought (blame me), heard Lloyd 5-7 and thought it was Elgar, didn't play Hanson in ages since I thought he's an American-American Sibelius and cannot tolerate Sibelius except for Symphony No. 4 and Tapiola and the Kullervo symphony and a few other niceties that often. ???
Thanks very much for your tips, will duly oblige! :D
Well, you should! ;)
And it's curious you don't like Sibelius that much.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 14, 2020, 03:49:30 PM
Well, you should! ;)
And it's curious you don't like Sibelius that much.
HIS fault! #notmine. ;) (He drank too much wodka & wine in hotel Kämp, Helsinki, actually in most bars around. I did too at both of my visits to Helsinki, but didn't try to compose music afterwards. ???
When sober though, he did compose great music, I think I gave you a few titles. (Just should 've done some more composing instead of drinking, a pity. :().
Hanson wasn't a drunk at all, I probably didn't do him justice because of his 'Sibelian' style, though I adore New Zealand's homegrown 'Sibelian' Douglas Lilburn and am probably completely wrong about Hanson, please tell me where to start with him. :)
Quote from: San Antone on January 14, 2020, 03:42:57 PM
Wow, I can't believe I left Stravinsky off my list. I will need to fit him in.
8)
Igor's turning in his grave I'm sure. ;) Well, you're interest in classical music goes far deeper than mine in that I mostly only have a taste for 20th Century composers (and some Romantic Era ones).
Quote from: Christo on January 14, 2020, 04:10:50 PM
HIS fault! #notmine. ;) (He drank too much wodka & wine in hotel Kämp, Helsinki, actually in most bars around. I did too at both of my visits to Helsinki, but didn't try to compose music afterwards. ???
When sober though, he did compose great music, I think I gave you a few titles. (Just should 've done some more composing instead of drinking, a pity. :().
Hanson wasn't a drunk at all, I probably didn't do him justice because of his 'Sibelian' style, though I adore New Zealand's homegrown 'Sibelian' Douglas Lilburn and am probably completely wrong about Hanson, please tell me where to start with him. :)
I'm not an expert about Hanson as others are, but I could you suggest
Lament for Beowulf for chorus and orchestra,
Lux Aeterna for viola and orchestra,
Pastorale for oboe, harp and strings, symphonies from No. 4 onwards are less hyper-Romantic, so you might like them too. I hope these works aren't too emotional or cinematic for your tastes. Surely Kyle and Jeffrey are willing to give you more suggestions.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 14, 2020, 04:47:03 PM
I'm not an expert about Hanson as others are, but I could you suggest Lament for Beowulf for chorus and orchestra, Lux Aeterna for viola and orchestra, Pastorale for oboe, harp and strings, symphonies from No. 4 onwards are less hyper-Romantic, so you might like them too. I hope these works aren't too emotional or cinematic for your tastes. Surely Kyle and Jeffrey are willing to give you more suggestions.
I'm not an HHE (Howard Hanson Expert) either but I agree with Cesar's recommendations. However, I especially like symphonies 1 to 5 (3 is my favourite - there is a terrific performance conducted by Koussevitsky but may be difficult to track down) and would add 'Bold Island Suite' and especially 'Dies Natalis'.
Quote from: Christo on January 14, 2020, 03:37:40 PM
NO! You won't win me over by mis-using the very sacred name of Joly Braga Santos before my very eyes. 8)
Love the Damase symphony, many thanks to both of you. :)
Know Atterberg 7, too Romanticisciscistcist I thought (blame me), heard Lloyd 5-7 and thought it was Elgar, didn't play Hanson in ages since I thought he's an American-American Sibelius and cannot tolerate Sibelius except for Symphony No. 4 and Tapiola and the Kullervo symphony and a few other niceties that often. ???
Thanks very much for your tips, will duly oblige! :D
Interesting about your views on Sibelius. However I share your taste for those three works in particular. Also the original Karelia music and the complete music for The Tempest. Tapiola is IMO one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
The composers who resonate with me the most:
1-10
Arnold
Beethoven
Brahms
Dvorak
Martinu
Nielsen
Shostakovich
Sibelius
Strauss
Vaughan Williams
11-25
Atterberg
Bax
Hindemith
Holmboe
Janacek
Langgaard
Poulenc
Prokofiev
Rachmaninov
Respighi
Saint-Saëns
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Tubin
Villa-Lobos
A very narrow list to be honest.
Bloch, Casella, Elgar, Taneyev, Lutoslawski, Schnittke, Myaskovsky, Hanson, Suk, Stravinsky, Mahler, Bruckner et al would make a top 50.
Cesar inspired me, so let's see if I can do this now:
Top 10:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Stravinsky
Sibelius
Schoenberg
Berg
Wagner
Mahler
Bruckner
11-25:
Shostakovich
Janáček
Britten
R. Strauss
Enescu
Martinů
Villa-Lobos
Fauré
Prokofiev
Ligeti
Takemitsu
Barber
Ives
Poulenc
Boulez
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 12, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Cesar inspired me, so let's see if I can do this now:
Top 10:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Stravinsky
Sibelius
Schoenberg
Berg
Wagner
Mahler
Bruckner
11-25:
Shostakovich
Janáček
Britten
R. Strauss
Enescu
Martinů
Villa-Lobos
Fauré
Prokofiev
Ligeti
Takemitsu
Barber
Ives
Poulenc
Boulez
No Vaughan Williams :o
Quote from: Madiel on January 27, 2018, 03:58:25 AM
My list of 11-25 (having just revised my list of 1-10 elsewhere).
Just edged out of the old top 10:
11. JS Bach
12. Rachmaninov
Improvers with potential:
13. Nielsen
14. Mozart
15. Debussy
Damn respectable but not all that likely to make a run for the top 10:
16. Shostakovich
17. Schubert
18. Barber
19. Bridge
20. Nørgård
I'm intrigued but really I need to know more:
21. Mahler
22. Bartok
23. Stravinsky
It's better when he gives me more than 90 seconds of music:
24. Scriabin
Because he's from here and his best moments are amazing:
25. Vine
Ha. Well it was fun looking back at this mainly because my comment about Shostakovich was inaccurate. I'd have to look at the whole list again but he's at least in the 'could make a run for the top 10' class if he hasn't made the top 10.
I still don't listen to that many composers really, generally preferring depth of exploration of particular composers to breadth. So I still don't know that I could a full list of 25 that I felt was really solid.
1-10
Beethoven
Bach
Haydn
Mozart
Schubert
Brahms
Schumann
Mahler
Handel
Bartok
11-25
Chopin
Dvorak
Mendelssohn
Wagner
Bruckner
Purcell
Debussy
Ravel
Tchaikovsky
Stravinsky
Berg
Prokofiev
Berlioz
Monteverdi
Shostakovich
Past 15 or so it gets quite difficult. For the last 10 spots, some could or should have been swapped for Fauré, Janacek, Sibelius, Nielsen, D. Scarlatti, Vivaldi, CPE Bach, Dowland, Liszt... With such composers I am often only familiar with or care for a part of their oeuvre. E.g. I have never really explored Janacek operas, the largest part of his work, or I care surprisingly little for some of Debussy's and Ravel's orchestral works but am very fond of their chamber and piano music, and so on.
Quote from: vandermolen on December 12, 2020, 10:55:00 PM
No Vaughan Williams :o
Indeed not, Jeffrey. I'm not particularly drawn to RVW much these days and haven't really been for the last year or two. Sorry!
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 13, 2020, 07:01:41 AM
Indeed not, Jeffrey. I'm not particularly drawn to RVW much these days and haven't really been for the last year or two. Sorry!
I forgive you ;D
VW told the young composer Arthur Butterworth, an early enthusiast, 'if my music does not mean as much to you as you grow older you mustn't think that you are being at all disloyal to me.'
I'd say my top 8 are rather mainstream. I think my top 5 or so (current 6 without Haydn) were already the same 25 years ago in my early/mid 20s. Bartok has also been my 20th century favorite for ages. Handel and Schumann rose in the early 2000s. 10 or 15 years ago I would not have named Tchaikovsky, I was really fed up with his music and there are still some pieces I rather dislike (rococo variations) but there is also indubitably great stuff. But as I said, the last third of the list is fuzzy and there are a bunch of composers I could put there with the same right. There also some where I hesitate because I only like a small number of their works, e.g. Franck. I also forgot Rameau and Couperin. When making such lists they tend to get eclipsed by someone like Monteverdi because I more quickly think of big pieces like the Virgin Vespers than of a bunch of clavecin pieces.
The less famous composers I am quite fond of that didn't quite make the list, but would be close are probably CPE Bach, Boccherini, von Weber, Weill.
Quote from: amw on January 24, 2018, 05:24:16 PM
my top 10 are:
Beethoven
Schumann
Schubert
Bartók
Bach Mozart
Brahms
Mozart Bach
Haydn
Dvořák
Cage
and nos 11-25:
Chopin
Janáček
Holliger
Tchaikovsky
Berlioz
Sciarrino
Webern
Kurtág
Fauré
Ferrari
Stockhausen
Ferneyhough
Kayn
Grisey
Poulenc
Lim
Scarlatti
all in approximate order of preference/importance
Minor changes: two bumped off (I would currently put Stockhausen & Ferneyhough somewhere in the 26-35 bracket, along with Martinů, Shostakovich, Czernowin, Eastman, Ravel, Richard & Natasha Barrett [not related to each other], order not set at the moment) allowing the former #26 to advance to 24. Scarlatti was previously somewhat further behind but has increased in importance to me as I've learned to play more of his keyboard music, so as a result he's displaced Ravel from his former #27 spot (now 25).
Quote from: vandermolen on December 14, 2020, 12:14:40 AM
I forgive you ;D
VW told the young composer Arthur Butterworth, an early enthusiast, 'if my music does not mean as much to you as you grow older you mustn't think that you are being at all disloyal to me.'
Well, that's certainly a healthy attitude, indeed.
My list hasn't changed too much...
1-10:
Dvořák
Sibelius
Atterberg
Rachmaninoff
Prokofiev
Vaughan Williams
Nielsen
Poulenc
Brahms
Lloyd
11-25:
Saint-Saëns
Damase
Braga Santos
Ravel
Finzi
Barber
Schubert
Bruckner
Mendelssohn
Raff
Casella
Stenhammar
Arnold
Respighi
Bax
...in some sort of order.
My list today (in approximate specific order):
1-10:
1a - Bruckner
1b - Shostakovich
1c - Brahms
1d - Beethoven
Tchaikovsky
Sibelius
Schubert
Schumann
Mahler
Dvorak
11 to 25:
Prokofiev
Mozart
Rimsky-Korsakov
Berlioz
Stravinsky
Taneyev
Strauss, R.
Wagner
Bartok
Rachmaninov
Mendelssohn
Ravel
Bach
Kodaly
Penderecki
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 12, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Cesar inspired me, so let's see if I can do this now:
Top 10:
Debussy
Ravel
Bartók
Stravinsky
Sibelius
Schoenberg
Berg
Wagner
Mahler
Bruckner
11-25:
Shostakovich
Janáček
Britten
R. Strauss
Enescu
Martinů
Villa-Lobos
Fauré
Prokofiev
Ligeti
Takemitsu
Barber
Ives
Poulenc
Boulez
A damn fine list. I'll stick with this one. :)
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 18, 2020, 07:23:34 AM
A damn fine list. I'll stick with this one. :)
That's less than a week ago, so seems reasonable!
Quote from: Madiel on December 18, 2020, 11:51:26 AM
That's less than a week ago, so seems reasonable!
Hah...indeed. :)
Quote from: Jo498 on December 13, 2020, 01:26:20 AM
1-10
Beethoven
Bach
Haydn
Mozart
Schubert
Brahms
Schumann
Mahler
Handel
Bartok
11-25
Chopin
Dvorak
Mendelssohn
Wagner
Bruckner
Purcell
Debussy
Ravel
Tchaikovsky
Stravinsky
Berg
Prokofiev
Berlioz
Monteverdi
Shostakovich
Past 15 or so it gets quite difficult. For the last 10 spots, some could or should have been swapped for Fauré, Janacek, Sibelius, Nielsen, D. Scarlatti, Vivaldi, CPE Bach, Dowland, Liszt... With such composers I am often only familiar with or care for a part of their oeuvre. E.g. I have never really explored Janacek operas, the largest part of his work, or I care surprisingly little for some of Debussy's and Ravel's orchestral works but am very fond of their chamber and piano music, and so on.
Out of everyone that has provided a full list, mine is closest to yours, Jo. We share 18 composers out of the 25.
Interesting, because nowadays I am anything but an "orchestral nut", I like orchestral music but tend to listen to more piano and chamber. But as I said above, such lists don't only represent current listening but decades of history and I probably put Berlioz or Tchaikovsky there before Scarlatti or Fauré because I have known their music for a longer period of time.
Quote from: Jo498 on December 21, 2020, 10:06:15 AM
Interesting, because nowadays I am anything but an "orchestral nut", I like orchestral music but tend to listen to more piano and chamber. But as I said above, such lists don't only represent current listening but decades of history and I probably put Berlioz or Tchaikovsky there before Scarlatti or Fauré because I have known their music for a longer period of time.
Well, I use to be a "chamber nut" for many years. ;D