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Title: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 06:49:47 AM
Can you identify this music? I'm afraid I only have two scores to hand to show at present, and so below are photos of parts of three movements from different works of a set (the third might confuse a little), plus parts of four movements from one other, very different, work. Extra points for the movements as well as works...

I might take my camera to the library for next time if people seem to like this sort of thing.

Photo #1
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores001.jpg)

Photo #2
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores008.jpg)

Photo #3
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores007.jpg)

Photo #4
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores006.jpg)

Photo #5
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores004.jpg)

Photo #6
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores003.jpg)

Photo #7
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/Two%20scores/Twoscores005.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 27, 2007, 07:01:45 AM
Bach Cello Suites: Prelude from #1 in D minor, Courante from #4 in Eb, Courante and Sarabande from #5 in C minor (with scordatura).

Excerpts from Messiaen's Vingt Regards (though I don't know which offhand).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 27, 2007, 07:18:59 AM
keep the scores coming, Sean!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 08:59:36 AM
Almost all correct there of course Larry, though you'll find a slight error in your answer...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 09:39:05 AM
Answers-

Photo #1: Bach Cello suite No.2, first mov Preludium, one of the most profound and moving things he wrote. Maiksy playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWyrxAZCOhA

Photo #2: Bach Cello suite No.4, third mov Courante.

Photo #3: Bach Cello suite No.5, end of third mov Courante and first two of the three lines of the fourth mov Sarabande- this suite possibly his greatest work with the Sarabande 'the essence of Bach's genius' to quote Rostropovich and paraphrase Tortelier. It was originally for a six stringed cello so there are two lines of music, one with the relevant notes transposed for regular cello. Maisky again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWyrxAZCOhA

Photo #4: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l'enfant-Jesus mov 11, an effective example of his birdsong writing. Roger Muraro playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSmgxN-Das&mode=related&search=

Photo #5: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l'enfant-Jesus mov 20, manic and monumental creativity in this finale, impossible to play fast enough without great technique. Unfortunately the first half of the video of Katsaris playing this piece seems to have disappeared but you'll get a feel for the virtuosity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuOUBCdw7qg

Photo #6: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l'enfant-Jesus mov 15, the end of the climactic section, releasing huge tension. The section builds up particularly from 2'30'' with tension breaking at 2'50''- the last line on the photo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bsvVdBJXtQ&mode=related&search=

Photo #7: Messiaen Vingt regards sur l'enfant-Jesus mov 4, magical dissonance here (I used to play from memory).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 27, 2007, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: Sean on August 27, 2007, 08:59:36 AM
Almost all correct there of course Larry, though you'll find a slight error in your answer...

Quite right, #1 is in G and #2 in d minor. Slip of the finger, but it stands.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on August 27, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
I've just remembered the opening bars of Vingt regards mov 20 are repeated- go to 2'28'' of the Katsaris video (the first flourish has a shot of some trees or something before returning to the keyboard)- the velocity is amazing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on August 29, 2007, 03:05:24 AM
Nicely done, Larry .......... looks like you scared away Sean, though ........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 29, 2007, 07:43:32 AM
psssssssst
now let's talk about him behind his back
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 29, 2007, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: greg on August 29, 2007, 07:43:32 AM
psssssssst
now let's talk about him behind his back

Talk about whom?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 29, 2007, 08:00:00 AM
Sean  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 29, 2007, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: D Minor on August 29, 2007, 03:05:24 AM
Nicely done, Larry .......... looks like you scared away Sean, though ........

"My! People come and go so quickly here!"
- Judy Garland in The Wizard of Oz
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 30, 2007, 06:22:51 AM
maybe Sean considers GMG his internet bathroom  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:26:14 AM
Quote from: greg on August 30, 2007, 06:22:51 AM
maybe Sean considers GMG his internet bathroom  ???

True, he does seem to leave his waste products.

How about we keep this going? I'm going to upload six excerpts from musical scores. See which you can identify. If you're not sure, take your best guess but give a sentence saying why you answered that way. Some should be very simple, some a bit tricky. All are by familiar composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 08:12:01 AM
#3-4:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 08:12:52 AM
#5-6:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Novi on August 30, 2007, 08:27:29 AM
No. 1. Bach, Mass in B Minor, 'Quoniam tu solus sanctus'

I recognised the horn part, but cheated to check which section :). Incidentally, this was the first score I ever bought (Dover rocks!).

This must be the very simple one if even I can recognise it :D.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: cx on August 30, 2007, 08:30:41 AM
3: Beethoven op.95
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Novi on August 30, 2007, 08:37:13 AM
No. 5. Elgar, Cello Concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 08:40:26 AM
Three correct answers so far. This is obviously too easy. Now, how about the other three?

Again, if you don't know for sure, use your sense of style and history to narrow it down. Some of these are harder than others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 30, 2007, 09:13:21 AM
Quote from: Novitiate on August 30, 2007, 08:37:13 AM
No. 5. Elgar, Cello Concerto
that's the one i could've gotten right by myself, i guess 1/6 isn't so bad  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 30, 2007, 09:43:23 AM
#4-- Schumann's portrait of Chopin from Karneval

(edit: Schumann actually spells it Carnaval)

(I think this is my final answer :) )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 30, 2007, 09:45:04 AM
#6-- Falla Harpsichord Concerto, the first page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 30, 2007, 09:47:37 AM
#2 -- The scherzo of Nielsen's Sinfonia semplice (ie no. 6)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
And our composer and clarinettist who used to post as diegobueno cleans up!

Gotta challenge you guys a bit more tonight...   :D

And since you've all done so well, here are 8 more. Sorry about the low light in the pics, I should've used the flash. But I think they're readable. This'll probably be it for me, since it's a bit of work to take the scores down from the shelf, photograph them, crop, save, upload, and then put all the scores back on the shelf. Sigh.

Composers all are well-known, but some not as well-known as in the first set.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 02:38:35 PM
10-13:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 02:42:45 PM
14-16:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 30, 2007, 03:20:38 PM
10 = Mahler 9th?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Novi on August 30, 2007, 03:31:19 PM
No. 15. Monteverdi, L'Orfeo?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:21:46 PM
Not been around much lately, and only just saw this thread. *sigh* - I could have got all the previous ones. Being a bit of a score obsessive has its advantages. Larry's latest:

7) - Rzewski - The People United.... (btw, there are some great free Rzewski scores to be had online)
8) - Brahms G major sextet op 36 (last mvt)
9) - Wozzeck - Act III interlude (climax thereof)
10) - is indeed Mahler 9
11) - Le Marteau sans maitre
12) - this is the only one eluding me at present
13) - Carter, Quartet no 1
14) - orchestration, figuration and textures (and print style) look like Shostakovich (#14?) though I can't place it off-hand
15) - is indeed Orfeo
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:25:52 PM
oops.only just saw no 16

Elgar  - String Quartet

(E.E. certainly did like his E minor, it seems)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 30, 2007, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:21:46 PM
8) - Brahms G major sextet op 36 (last mvt)

Note to self: next time get up and get the disc, you won't need to be kicking yourself later. :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:36:36 PM
slight alteration - the Shostakovich is no 15, not no 14
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 04:36:36 PM
slight alteration - the Shostakovich is no 15, not no 14

That's right. The ending of the Shosty 15, where all the toys in the toy shop have woken up in the middle of the night.

OK, then. Luke did extremely well as expected, and the other guessers were correct too. Much too easy. One more to go. Let's see who gets #12.

I'm giving you one more, since I had it photographed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 05:26:46 PM
One question - is no 12 Nielsen? It looks like him, in scoring and other musical details but also - and this is a powerful factor here, as with the Shostakovich - in the actual printing style: this particular handwritten look reminds me of some other Nielsen scores I have, just as the fonts and layout of the Shos score told me straightaway it was him...

Anyway, because of this, crazy as it sounds, I can't go beyond thinking 'it must be Nielsen' - so tell me if I am barking up the wrong tree. ;D

(Woof.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 05:39:08 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 05:26:46 PM
One question - is no 12 Nielsen? It looks like him, in scoring and other musical details but also - and this is a powerful factor here, as with the Shostakovich - in the actual printing style: this particular handwritten look reminds me of some other Nielsen scores I have, just as the fonts and layout of the Shos score told me straightaway it was him...

Anyway, because of this, crazy as it sounds, I can't go beyond thinking 'it must be Nielsen' - so tell me if I am barking up the wrong tree. ;D

(Woof.)

It's not Nielsen. But you're not entirely cold, either geographically or alphabetically.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 05:50:24 PM
Well, that's confused me!

Your new one looks like Gorecki 3. Not a score I have, but here was my thought process:

1) this score 'looks' Polish (layout, fonts, abbreviations etc) (that primal, visual thing again)

2) it has all the hallmarks of the Gorecki 3 last movement (thick parallel motion in the strings, low-lying quasi-recit in the soprano, with notes picked out above in harp and piano) Also it is in the right key.

So I checked it and it looked right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on August 30, 2007, 05:52:16 PM
Could #12 be early Lutosławski? Not a piece I have heard, but reading the score, I am thinking it may not be too far away from something like that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 30, 2007, 05:50:24 PM
Well, that's confused me!

Your new one looks like Gorecki 3. Not a score I have, but here was my thought process:

1) this score 'looks' Polish (layout, fonts, abbreviations etc) (that primal, visual thing again)

2) it has all the hallmarks of the Gorecki 3 last movement (thick parallel motion in the strings, low-lying quasi-recit in the soprano, with notes picked out above in harp and piano) Also it is in the right key.

So I checked it and it looked right.

And the text is in Polish! yes, it's the Gorecki 3, near the end.

And no, Michael, Luke's guess was warmer than yours.

Luke, why not give us some items from your no doubt huge score library.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on August 30, 2007, 06:27:04 PM
Oh, I think I know what it is. It is one of the later Pettersson symphonies. I don't remember which number, maybe 6 or 7, but I think I actually played that piece a long, long time ago. I didn't see that second page at first, but I just looked at it again and scrolled over to the right. That seems to have triggered some deeply buried (mostly bad) memories of the piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:56:02 PM
Quote from: M forever on August 30, 2007, 06:27:04 PM
Oh, I think I know what it is. It is one of the later Pettersson symphonies. I don't remember which number, maybe 6 or 7, but I think I actually played that piece a long, long time ago. I didn't see that second page at first, but I just looked at it again and scrolled over to the right. That seems to have triggered some deeply buried (mostly bad) memories of the piece.

Good for you! it's from 7. I thought that endlessly repeated trombone figure would give it away.

What the heck, a few more:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:57:36 PM
And after these three I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really have to stop.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:12:18 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:06:34 PM
Luke, why not give us some items from your no doubt huge score library.

I might do that later. Problem is, my scanner is broken, and as you've said, photoing, cropping etc. takes time. Also, I'd like to choose good samples as you have done - what would be the point of choosing obscure things that don't give anyone a chance: it needs to be pitched right. I will think on...

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:56:02 PM
Good for you! it's from 7. I thought that endlessly repeated trombone figure would give it away.

Ah, of course - you're right, that trombone figure should have given it away (it's amazing how similar some passages in Nielsen are, actually...). I've never seen a Pettersson score (  :o ) so again I think it's interesting how the look of the print, as well as the notes themselves, made me think of something Nordic - is it a Hansen score?



As for the new ones...

18  - I thought of Verdi at first (contour of some of the melody) before I realised it was Carmen. But it's one of the bits that isn't in my score...

19 - is one of the Ligeti Etudes (Book II, L'escalier du diable).

20 - have to admit I searched for this one (googled the unusual, lengthy tempo marking), so I think I have the right answer [edit - I know I have the right answer as I just listened to a sample at Amazon!], but I don't want to spoil it for those who might know it 'properly', so I won't say here.
My first thought, BTW, was Mendelssohn, but then I thought that, pre-Liszt, the tremolo is little used by real pianist-composers, more in transcriptions (which I momentarily thought this might be) and in music I tend to think of as less pianistic, so I ruled out Mendelssohn. The composer who it really is by is not a million miles from Mendelssohn, though.

21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX (again, the look of the score - Universal Edition style - is the first thing that I notice, then the notes and the language, though still all in the first glance, of course)

22  - that surprising measure of 5/8 is the clue - it's that famous 'first' of Handel's, Orlando's mad scene  IIRC
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:25:23 AM
Of course you've now told everyone else how to identify 20!  :D

Very good - I couldn't fool Luke at all, even with that Carmen excerpt.

But I think maybe I'll just pull a few more from online scores, which takes far less time and effort, and make them simpler, so lots more people can play. I think I'll have to ask Luke and Diego to sit these next ones out, so others have a fair chance.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on August 31, 2007, 02:46:40 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 30, 2007, 06:56:02 PM
Good for you! it's from 7. I thought that endlessly repeated trombone figure would give it away.

It wasn't actually that, though (unfortunately) that came back to me once I had figured it out. It was the c-c# leaps in the bass part which reminded me of the very unpleasant and thankless experience of playing this piece with its totally awkward (and completely ineffective) bass part. You play these leaps about 2 million times.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:59:04 AM
Quote from: M forever on August 31, 2007, 02:46:40 AM
It wasn't actually that, though (unfortunately) that came back to me once I had figured it out. It was the c-c# leaps in the bass part which reminded me of the very unpleasant and thankless experience of playing this piece with its totally awkward (and completely ineffective) bass part. You play these leaps about 2 million times.

I know what you meant. I picked the page I did because the trombone motif is about the only thing I can ever remember from that symphony, and thought it might be similarly familiar to others.

Yes, Luke, it's Hansen - very hard to read, poor typography and layout.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:11:25 AM
I've made 16 samples now, but most of them are slightly too big to fit as attachments here, so it may be some time before I get them all up.

As I said before, I want these to be get-able, so I've steered clear of the too-obscure or, if I have gone obscure, I've left enough clues for the answer to be found.

No 1
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:15:50 AM
No 2 - Very typical of this composer (at this time) and the visual style is also unique to him AFAIK. Should be possible, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:20:22 AM
No 3 - should be straightforward, I think - lots of clues here. Sorry about poor quality image
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:24:47 AM
No 4 - there is also a big clue here, but unfortunately the poor quality makes it hard to read. Good luck!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:30:14 AM
No 5 - composer should be fairly clear; then just follow clues
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:36:05 AM
No 6 - combination of printer's house style, musical style and instrumentation/layout ought to be clues.

That's enough for now, I have ten more ready to go for later...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:45:43 AM
All I can say is I think yours are harder than mine (or they just show all the gaps in my knowledge)!

#5 looks like Brian Ferneyhough.

#4 could be Janacek, but not a piece I recognize.

#1 looks familiar, but I can't place it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 04:33:03 AM
Luke's #4 is the Khachaturian Piano Concerto, 2nd movement. The monster bass clarinet solo isn't on this page, but the piano is playing it in the left hand at the top of the page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 04:40:01 AM
Luke's no. 3: The handwriting looks familiar. Is that Feldman?

Edit: A little more sleuthing revealed that this is indeed Why Patterns by Morton Feldman.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on August 31, 2007, 05:01:12 AM
Hm. #2 looks rather like Lutoslawski, but I don't recognise the work. I'll guess Jeux venetiens but I can't read the directions on the score properly on the laptop (which should give a better hint).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 05:43:41 AM
ok, i didn't look at the responses:
10- Mahler 9, 2nd movement (easy one)
11 and 12- looks like a Webern score, possibly his string quartet?

ok, now some more guessing
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 05:53:59 AM
ok, i guess 11 and 12 were wrong

#5 looks like Crumb to me, could be Ferneyhough but I vote Crumb
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 05:54:28 AM
Quote from: greg on August 31, 2007, 05:43:41 AM
ok, i didn't look at the responses:
10- Mahler 9, 2nd movement (easy one)
11 and 12- looks like a Webern score, possibly his string quartet?

ok, now some more guessing

Yes to the Mahler. No to the others. Keep thinking of other possibilities.

Luke, is your #6 Schoenberg? Those dotted vertical lines suggest otherwise, but the harmoniums and clarinets say maybe yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 05:59:55 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 05:54:28 AM
Yes to the Mahler. No to the others. Keep thinking of other possibilities.

Luke, is your #6 Schoenberg? Those dotted vertical lines suggest otherwise, but the harmoniums and clarinets say maybe yes.
i read the answers already  ;D
the Carter i don't remember but the Boulez i shoulda just played through, i might've recognized it
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:42:51 AM
OK, so far on my first six we have:

1 - no guess yet. It is a pretty major work, btw, one of its composer's masterpieces IMO

2 - no correct guess yet

3 - Mark is correct, it is Feldman. A piece for alto flute, glockenspiel and piano...shouldn't be too hard to find the name...

4 - point to Edward, this is indeed the Khachaturian PC. The clue in my mind was the flexatone/saw carrying the melody on this page, but unfortunately its name doesn't come out clearly, so that made it harder.

5 - Yes, Larry, it's Ferneyhough. As I implied, the look of the page gives that away quite clearly I think, though some of the notation and the use of improvisation is unusual for him. A little probing and you'll have the name.

6 - And yes, Larry (again!), this is Schoenberg. The dotted lines (or the implications they carry for what sort of piece this might be) possibly give a clue as to the identity of this work.



Time for some more. Here's no 7. This one is a transitional work, but it carries many of the hallmarks of the later style - if you delve deeply you should therefore be able to identify him. There is also a clue to two features of the piece's title in the motive which is treated so exhaustively in the strings.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 06:48:14 AM
has to be Stravinsky
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 06:49:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:42:51 AM


3 - Mark is correct, it is Feldman. A piece for alto flute, glockenspiel and piano...shouldn't be too hard to find the name...

Why Patterns

Quote

4 - point to Edward, this is indeed the Khachaturian PC. The clue in my mind was the flexatone/saw carrying the melody on this page, but unfortunately its name doesn't come out clearly, so that made it harder.

Hey!! That's my point!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:51:39 AM
Greg - what, my last one is Stravinsky? No....

Mark - correct on the Feldman. And apologies on the Khachaturian, don't know what I was reading there!! Two points to you, and Larry is most of the way there on two more.

No 8. Like the Ferneyhough and the Feldman, I think this is one where, if you can get the composer, you are most of the way to getting the piece, as the instrumentation leaves little room for error. This is a typical score of this composer in appearance (it's also one of his finest pieces)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:56:09 AM
No 9. This is quite a hard one, I think, but the clues are there in the instruments, the notation, the handwriting and the general 'attitude' of the music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 06:57:25 AM
lachenmann!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 06:59:21 AM
Which one, Greg? Still, no, none of them are him (I don't have any Lachenmann scores, I'm afraid)

No 10. An easy one, I think, though there may be some noses that Rinkel up at it....and if that isn't a clue, I don't know what is  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:02:23 AM
No 11 Again, easy I think. The famous and inimitable handwriting, and the bizarre sound sources make it quite clear...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:06:08 AM
No 12 Quite idealistic in its demands here, which is surprisingly quite common in this composer's work. A magnificently impressive piece, though, and stylistically unique, to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:08:20 AM
No 13 I won't give any clues here, except to say - a bonus point if you can name the passage/piece on which this page is modeled (or to which it refers). And that in itself could well be a clue, because if you get the model, you may get the present piece itself...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 07:10:38 AM
oh, i thought 9 was Lachenmann, he uses that 3/thing at the bottom.
now, my only thought is it might be spectral music, but Grisey and Murail's scores don't usually look like that. My guess is Saariaho, but my second guess is Ligeti?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
Greg, that is very interesting - I can see how you could be led in that direction. Actually it isn't spectralist. If you look closely you'll see that there is a clear process going on, so Ligeti wasn't a bad guess either. This composer developed a very strong and personal process technique later, though not precisely this one.

No 14 - I think the composer is pretty obvious, but the piece might be harder to get. It is one of his most famous works, though, if that helps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:19:22 AM
No 15. The composer will do here - I think it unnecessary and frankly almost impossible to name the piece itself! But the peculiarities of the score should make the composer clear, I think. And if not that, then the printer of the manuscript paper may help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:25:15 AM
No 16 - my final one for now, but I'm happy to make more if people like this game. A nice easy one to finish!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:26:18 AM
Porto Rican maracas?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:26:48 AM
9 - Scelsi?

7 - the violin writing looks like Stockhausen, the piano arpeggios like anybody but. Berio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:27:57 AM
A very humbling experience, Luke! I know all of mine, but hardly any of yours!!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:30:29 AM
#16 -- The quote from Beethoven's 9th makes me think it might be Tippett's 3rd (but the typography doesn't look like Schott somehow)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:35:37 AM
Greg - sorry for confusion, I thought you meant my no 7 was like Lachenmann/spectralism - that's where all my stuff about processes came from. But I think you meant no 9. Also not Lachenmann, but that's a pretty good guess, I think.


Larry - that's funny, I know all mine but had to think hard about some of yours too!

No 9 isn't Scelsi, no, but note heavy italics!

No 7 seems to be a tricky one. If I was you I'd look away from the string writing, and concentrate on a modern composer who uses arpeggios so heavily... ;)

Mark - Bingo on the Tippett   :) - it is a Schott actually, but perhaps somewhere along the line I have disfigured it somewhat.

And, yes, Porto Rican maracas. A slightly different type than Puerto Rican ones, which this composer, ever sensitive to percussive nuance, obviously knew about  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:41:08 AM
#15: All the different simultaneous tempo markings! Could it be one of Nancarrow's sketches for a player piano etude?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:42:27 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:35:37 AM
No 7 seems to be a tricky one. If I was you I'd look away from the string writing, and concentrate on a modern composer who uses arpeggios so heavily... ;)

Saul?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 07:45:23 AM
#7 -- Glass is known for his arpeggios too, but I don't think this is him.

Appears to be an Italian. I would say Dallapiccola, but I don't know of any orchestral works by him that use BACH.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 07:49:08 AM
Still waiting for an answer on my #20. Hint: it is not Glass, Saul, or Scelsi.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:55:12 AM
Blimey, Mark, you are good at this!

'Yes' on the Nancarrow - that one at least I think is fairly straightforward. It's Study no 37 if you're interested.

No 7 isn't Italian, actually, but 'yes' also on its use of BACH. To be fair, I hinted at it somewhat when I said that there where two clues as to the piece's title in the string parts! One of them is indeed 'Bach'. Now tell, me, what animal do you think those string parts sound like when played all together.....? And you have your title (nearly)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 31, 2007, 07:56:42 AM
To guess purely from your hints, Luke . . . If Bach Was a Beekeeper . . . ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:57:54 AM
Henning comes from nowhere and steals it! Correct. By Arvo Part, of course. An interesting halfway-house of a piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 08:06:43 AM
#12 is Xenakis?

I say this only because it's in Greek. The use of quarter tones rules out Theodorakis. I don't know of any other Greek composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:09:26 AM
12 is Xenakis, well done. Any idea on the piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:11:13 AM
I can see I'm going to have to go with harder ones next time!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 08:16:04 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:11:13 AM
I can see I'm going to have to go with harder ones next time!

Yeah, right. Could 6 be from one of those late Modern Psalms Schoenberg wrote? And is 10 by Scelsi.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:23:25 AM
No, no 6 isn't late Schoenberg, but a more formative piece. You are correct that it is a vocal work, though that is not evident on this page. And the Scelsi one is not no 10, which is, however, a piece known to you.... ;)

to sum up the answers to my questions so far:

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - ? - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - ? - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - ?
12 - Xenakis - ? - (Mark)
13 - ?
14 - ?
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 08:30:21 AM
Just to keep this going, 6 more from me (truly easy, unlike Luke's  :D ):

1a-4a:

(Don't forget my #20 from before. . . . )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 08:31:50 AM
5a-6a:

(And then I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really must stop.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 09:08:22 AM
2 -- Götterdämmerung, the very end (while Valhalla burns)
3 -- Holst: Jupiter from the Planets
5 -- Liszt: Sonnet of Petrarch
6. -- Schoenberg: Pierrot Lunaire, Heil'ge Kreuze (well, the text is right there, for heaven's sake)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 09:30:20 AM
1 = Verdi Requiem
and
4 = Haydn F minor Variations
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 09:51:13 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on August 31, 2007, 09:08:22 AM
2 -- Götterdämmerung, the very end (while Valhalla burns)
3 -- Holst: Jupiter from the Planets
5 -- Liszt: Sonnet of Petrarch
6. -- Schoenberg: Pierrot Lunaire, Heil'ge Kreuze (well, the text is right there, for heaven's sake)

I wanted to make it easy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 10:08:38 AM
12- Xenakis, Oresteia

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! i got the score  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
Greg, that is very interesting - I can see how you could be led in that direction. Actually it isn't spectralist. If you look closely you'll see that there is a clear process going on, so Ligeti wasn't a bad guess either. This composer developed a very strong and personal process technique later, though not precisely this one.

wow, you're really making me think here....
i should just pull out a bunch of names  >:D
umm...... i'll take a wild guess- Schnittke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 10:21:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 08:23:25 AM
No, no 6 isn't late Schoenberg, but a more formative piece. You are correct that it is a vocal work, though that is not evident on this page.

Jakobsleiter?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: greg on August 31, 2007, 10:08:38 AM
12- Xenakis, Oresteia

Correct  :)

Re. no 6
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 10:21:02 AM
Jakobsleiter?

Correct  :)

That leaves 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 and 14, and clarification of which Ferneyhough piece is shown in no 5


And someone get Larry's no 20 soon - here's a hint: it isn't Webern. Not quite.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:01:41 PM
Anyone in the mood for more? Time for an extra few before bed.

no 17 - say what you see....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:04:04 PM
No 18 - one of the best examples for those who say music of this type is not 'melodic', this piece reveals its composer to be a writer of truly memorable melodic lines.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:10:17 PM
No 19 - a somewhat maligned piece which I have a soft spot for. This, though, is unequivocally one of its finest sections, a great piece of musical imagination.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:11:52 PM
No 20 - I don't think much comment is required.

edit: updated with an attachment, just for Maciek, though I can't believe he can really need it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 02:21:45 PM
18 Boulez Le Soleil des eaux
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 02:22:59 PM
20 - Cage 4'33''
:P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:24:13 PM
The Boulez is right, very quick work! The other one not quite.... ;D

No 21. Like my no 13 (and no 16, for that matter), this is modeled on a particular piece, but in this case every note in this piece is taken exactly from the original and then repeated and re-sorted according to certain criteria. What is the original piece, and what is this one? And for a bonus point ( ;D)  how has the composer selected which material to lift from the original? A very interesting effect is achieved here, I think, amplifying and altering the effect of the original.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:32:18 PM
No 22 Last one for today. Those are saxophones above the horns, which is clue enough, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:11:52 PM
edit: updated with an attachment, just for Maciek, though I can't believe he can really need it...

Ha! That's what I call cheating! >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:11:52 PM
No 20 - I don't think much comment is required.

edit: updated with an attachment, just for Maciek, though I can't believe he can really need it...

20 - the Ligeti violin concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:41:18 PM
Yes. Thought that one would go quite quickly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:44:16 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:41:18 PM
Yes. Thought that one would go quite quickly!

We're still mired in the first set you gave! What drives me crazy is that some look so familiar but I can't place them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 31, 2007, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:40:09 PM
20 - the Ligeti violin concerto
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
yeah, i would've gotten that one easy  8)
the other ones are pretty hard

n22- saxophones over horn, huh?
debussy, ravel, prokofiev- 3 guesses here  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:47:45 PM
Right generation, Greg, but wrong nationality. The harmony is a big clue as to both nationality and composer in this one I think.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:44:16 PM
We're still mired in the first set you gave! What drives me crazy is that some look so familiar but I can't place them!

Which ones? I can try to give some gentle hints if you like - it's so frustrating when you know that you know it!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:47:45 PM
Right generation, Greg, but wrong nationality. The harmony is a big clue as to both nationality and composer in this one I think.

Which ones? I can try to give some gentle hints if you like - it's so frustrating when you know that you know it!



Any, any! I think these are a lot harder than most of mine, frankly! How about 17 and 19?

Is the E minor piece American? it looks like a Schirmer type of engraving.

No - 22 is the ending of the first movement of the RVW 9. Positive!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:06:30 PM
17 - try to determine the nationality (there are clues), and then see what the music is doing. As far as I know there is only one well-known piece which ticks both boxes. It's a very well-known little piece.

19 - this is standard mid-19th century repertoire. The 7/4 time may be a clue to you, it may not.

The E minor piece is not American, no. It is an OUP score. Which may be a clue in itself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
17 - Spanish? De Falla??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:17:08 PM
I don't think mine are necessarily trickier than yours, Larry - it's just that, by definition, you know the ones you put up, and I know these ones! I had trouble with some of yours - the Carmen one was harder than it should have been, and of course I had to cheat on 'number 20'; the Stockhausen one didn't come straightaway either, and I didn't get the Pettersson even though I should have. The Carter came only because 1)  'scorrevole' is a very Carterian term and 2) there looked to be little difference between mvts 1 and 2 - and of course that structural feature is one of the 1st quartet's most noteworthy aspects (the 'breaks' come in the middle of movements rather than in between)

FWIW, there are some pieces among mine which I am sure you know, because you have either mentioned them in the past (there's one here which I know you dislike, I am afraid!) or because I know you are well-informed on the relevant composer in particular. Have you worked out which one is the Scelsi yet? It's worth bearing in mind that he thought of notes as being like comets - not as little blobs, but as leaving a trace, a vector across the page as they move in time. I think there is one of mine which suits that description well. BTW, I think I'm right that you don't think too much of Scelsi (am I?) but he isn't who I meant when I said that I know you dislike one of the pieces.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:06:30 PM
17 - try to determine the nationality (there are clues), and then see what the music is doing. As far as I know there is only one well-known piece which ticks both boxes. It's a very well-known little piece.

19 - this is standard mid-19th century repertoire. The 7/4 time may be a clue to you, it may not.

The E minor piece is not American, no. It is an OUP score. Which may be a clue in itself.

Read my post as modified! I got it for sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
Yes, you did, Larry - that's the right answer. That Phrygian inflection in parallel motion is very RVW...

Quote from: Maciek on August 31, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
17 - Spanish? De Falla??

No, but getting warmer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:17:08 PM
I don't think mine are necessarily trickier than yours, Larry - it's just that, by definition, you know the ones you put up, and I know these ones! I had trouble with some of yours - the Carmen one was harder than it should have been, and of course I had to cheat on 'number 20'; the Stockhausen one didn't come straightaway either, and I didn't get the Pettersson even though I should have. The Carter came only because 1)  'scorrevole' is a very Carterian term and 2) there looked to be little difference between mvts 1 and 2 - and of course that structural feature is one of the 1st quartet's most noteworthy aspects (the 'breaks' come in the middle of movements rather than in between)

Give me time, give me time.

I knew Carmen would be hard - it's such a familiar piece, but this is a part not included in most scores.

I'm just joking with you, Luke - I'm sure all yours are every bit as reasonable as mine. That 7/4 thing looks very familiar! so does #17!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:27:50 PM
Yes, Larry, you know the 7/4 one, I am sure, and at the very least five of the others, I am almost positive (not to imply that you can't know the others, of course, I am only going on what I know of your listening habits). Anyway, updated results...

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - ? - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - ?
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - ?
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - ?
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - ?
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:32:34 PM
21 looks like a Schott score, maybe from Stravinsky's neoclassic period. I was hoping it was Dumbarton Oaks, but it's not.

The 7/4 could be from Pelleas, given the pattern of exact repetition. But the German note makes me dubious.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:40:12 PM
14 looks like Ives.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:44:17 PM
14 is Ives, yes.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:32:34 PM
21 looks like a Schott score, maybe from Stravinsky's neoclassic period. I was hoping it was Dumbarton Oaks, but it's not.

The 7/4 could be from Pelleas, given the pattern of exact repetition. But the German note makes me dubious.



21 is a Chester score. The clue to the composer, or at least the style, is in the method of construction, as I said. Try playing the melody line through without its repeating figures to find the source.

An interesting observation about the 7/4 - it isn't Pelleas, but this is a composer often said to be a forerunner to Debussy in some respects.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:51:58 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:44:17 PM
14 is Ives, yes.

21 is a Chester score. The clue to the composer, or at least the style, is in the method of construction, as I said. Try playing the melody line through without its repeating figures to find the source.

An interesting observation about the 7/4 - it isn't Pelleas, but this is a composer often said to be a forerunner to Debussy in some respects.

I'm tempted to say Mussorgsky, but I think that's not right. It looks so familiar! I probably should just sleep on these clues and maybe something will pop into my head later tonight or tomorrow.

Is 21 Stravinsky?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 03:51:58 PM
I'm tempted to say Mussorgsky, but I think that's not right. It looks so familiar! I probably should just sleep on these clues and maybe something will pop into my head later tonight or tomorrow.

Is 21 Stravinsky?

No, sorry. Not a million miles away, in some respects, though.

Mussorgsky isn't it either for the 7/4, but you're certainly beating around the correct bush.  ;) Sleep on it, certainly - I know I should be going to bed right now!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
No, sorry. Not a million miles away, in some respects, though.

Mussorgsky isn't it either for the 7/4, but you're certainly beating around the correct bush.  ;) Sleep on it, certainly - I know I should be going to bed right now!

I got the 7/4! It's the Liszt Dante Symphony. Won't spill the beans on how I finally figured it out, but I'm positive now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 06:12:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 31, 2007, 02:01:41 PM
Anyone in the mood for more? Time for an extra few before bed.

no 17 - say what you see....

17 - Villa Lobos Bachianas Brasilieras 2?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 31, 2007, 06:28:22 PM
Is the Ferneyhough Lemma-Icon-Epigram? it looks like piano music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 05:37:22 AM
Correct on the Liszt and the Villa-Lobos!

The Ferneyhough is not Lemma-Icon-Epigram (which is quite a bit more complicated, though still not BF at his most extreme) - in fact it isn't piano music (look a little closer...). Once you have the instrument the possible pieces are reduced to one.

Actually, the reason this piece isn't quite as complex as most other Ferneyhough pieces is partly to do with the instrument, which is another clue, I suppose.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:40:50 AM
17- at first glance, looks like a possible Bartok piece i haven't heard, but it has a slight feeling of pointillism, the second name that comes to mind is Dallapiccola, but the one piece I've heard by him isn't very pointillistic, more lyrical. Ok, here's a wild guess, Nono? is it mid-20th century or early?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:49:30 AM
ok, i'm going to start posting some myself  8)
BUT, i'm erasing certain obvious clues, like movement title, work titles, and composers name  :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:53:47 AM
It's a bit small and difficult to read. :-\ Knowing your tastes, it should be Xenakis - but I've never seen a Xenakis score, so can't tell. 0:) (It does look a bit too simple though...? ;D)

(Why am I even posting in this thread? I feel like a total fool...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:55:09 AM
This one will be really hard, let me just give you all two clues: 1) this piece is obscure, i've never heard it so i'll be impressed if you can guess just the composer, 2) the English comments might throw you off
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 05:57:10 AM
Greg, Larry got my no 17...

Only 8 unattributed ones remain! :)

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - ? - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - ?
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - ? - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)

now to be stumped by Greg's....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:57:30 AM
Greg's no. 2 - Takemitsu?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:57:34 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:53:47 AM
It's a bit small and difficult to read. :-\ Knowing your tastes, it should be Xenakis - but I've never seen a Xenakis score, so can't tell. 0:) (It does look a bit too simple though...? ;D)

(Why am I even posting in this thread? I feel like a total fool...)
a lot of the scores i've gotten from online image searches, so yeah, unfortuanetely they are a bit small  :(
it isn't Xenakis, but it is contemporary
hey, you got #18 when i couldn't, that's not bad   8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 05:57:48 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:57:30 AM
Greg's no. 2 - Takemitsu?
yep  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:59:31 AM
Hooray! I'm logging off with a smile on my face. :D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 05:59:46 AM
I was just about to say Takemitsu too - those open noteheads are typical of him. And of course the sho...

I haven't seen the first one yet....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:00:21 AM
here's an easy one, like a coffee break
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 06:02:28 AM
Logged back in for another guess but then I'm really gone:

Takemitsu - Distance??????
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 06:02:51 AM
Don't know your first one...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:03:14 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 05:53:47 AM
It's a bit small and difficult to read. :-\ Knowing your tastes, it should be Xenakis - but I've never seen a Xenakis score, so can't tell. 0:) (It does look a bit too simple though...? ;D)

(Why am I even posting in this thread? I feel like a total fool...)

Not Xenakis.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:04:12 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:00:21 AM
here's an easy one, like a coffee break

Steve Reich?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:04:38 AM
i've erased a lot, including the comments at the bottom of the page

Quote from: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 06:02:28 AM
Logged back in for another guess but then I'm really gone:

Takemitsu - Distance??????
exactly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:04:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 05:37:22 AM
Correct on the Liszt and the Villa-Lobos!

The Ferneyhough is not Lemma-Icon-Epigram (which is quite a bit more complicated, though still not BF at his most extreme) - in fact it isn't piano music (look a little closer...). Once you have the instrument the possible pieces are reduced to one.

Actually, the reason this piece isn't quite as complex as most other Ferneyhough pieces is partly to do with the instrument, which is another clue, I suppose.

Then I have to try Sieben Sterne for organ.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:05:04 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:04:12 AM
Steve Reich?
yep, since this one is too easy, guess the work too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:07:16 AM
here's a really fun one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:13:38 AM
this composer isn't one of the "leading composers", but just look at the style of the score, thinking of the time period, and think of all the possible composers, that should help you narrow it down.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:14:06 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:07:16 AM
here's a really fun one!


Wouldn't be surprised if it's early Ligeti, though I'm too lazy to go through the work list and pin it down.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:16:30 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:14:06 AM

Wouldn't be surprised if it's early Ligeti, though I'm too lazy to go through the work list and pin it down.
waaaaaaay off (though in time period)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:16:47 AM
Phrygian gates
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:20:14 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:05:04 AM
yep, since this one is too easy, guess the work too!

Not positive, but Six Pianos feels like the logical guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:21:15 AM
Still waiting for somebody to identify my #20.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:23:57 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:16:47 AM
Phrygian gates
correct!

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:20:14 AM
Not positive, but Six Pianos feels like the logical guess.
you're very close..... i've never heard of "six pianos"

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:23:57 AM
correct!
you're very close..... i've never heard of "six pianos"



Seven Pianos?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:27:08 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:24:30 AM
Seven Pianos?
lol!
piano is the first word in the title
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:27:45 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:04:38 AM
i've erased a lot, including the comments at the bottom of the page
exactly!

An elegiac work for solo viola using quarter tones - but definitely not the Stravinsky Elegy, and I doubt the Britten.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:29:30 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:13:38 AM
this composer isn't one of the "leading composers", but just look at the style of the score, thinking of the time period, and think of all the possible composers, that should help you narrow it down.

Atonal, expressionistic, highly contrapuntal, post-Schoenbergian. If it's not a "leading composer," I'd take a wild guess and wonder if it's someone like Krenek.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:30:57 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:23:57 AM
correct!
you're very close..... i've never heard of "six pianos"



Piano Phase.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:35:11 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:30:57 AM
Piano Phase.
correct!

let me see if this comes in clear, and not too big, first......
if it's ok, i won't have to edit it

so, this one is very easy if you've heard it- all you have to do is find the right "thing" in the score and you've got it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:35:57 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:29:30 AM
Atonal, expressionistic, highly contrapuntal, post-Schoenbergian. If it's not a "leading composer," I'd take a wild guess and wonder if it's someone like Krenek.
Krenek....... the name actually sounds close to the name of this composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 01, 2007, 06:37:49 AM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:07:16 AM
here's a really fun one!
First movement of the Ligeti viola sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:38:40 AM
Larry - no.20 - Carl Maria von Weber -  Grosse Sonate n.2 in la bemolle maggiore. Just remembered the title of the movement, rather than recognising the music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 06:41:06 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:38:40 AM
Larry - no.20 - Carl Maria von Weber -  Grosse Sonate n.2 in la bemolle maggiore. Just remembered the title of the movement, rather than recognising the music.

Doesn't matter how you get it, so long as you get it.

Well, I'm off for a while, but since you guys are all throwing such challenges at each other, I'll start digging into my really obscure stuff this weekend. (Oh, I said I would stop. Yeah, right.)

Maybe at this point someone can tally all the ones not identified yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:44:49 AM
Quote from: edward on September 01, 2007, 06:37:49 AM
First movement of the Ligeti viola sonata.
you quoted the wrong post, but yeah, that's g4  ;D

results so far:

g1- ?
g2- Takemitsu- Distance (Maciek)
g3- Reich- Piano Phase (Larry)
g4- Ligeti- Viola Sonata (Edward)
g5- Adams- Phrygian Gates (Guido)
g6- ?
g7- ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:49:02 AM
ok. I'll do some. These are the only ones I have on my computer currently, but I'll take some pictures soon:

The first one, even I don't know - I think I know the composer, but not the piece!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
1 Nancarrow, 3 Berio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:50:55 AM
Luke - I think the Ives piece (no.14?) is the wonderful Three Places in New England, and I would guess probably the third movement if forced to.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:53:12 AM
3 certainly not right, not sure about 1, but not the composer I thought it was at least! I have some vague feeling that it's Scriabin, but I can't remember why.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 07:03:53 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:53:12 AM
3 certainly not right, not sure about 1, but not the composer I thought it was at least! I have some vague feeling that it's Scriabin, but I can't remember why.

Your 3 looks like Ives, 1 most likely not Scriabin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 07:13:06 AM
Ives is right. Page numbering is a clue as to the title (possibly!) (and the cluster chords only actually appear in a few works).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 07:13:28 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 01, 2007, 06:50:55 AM
Luke - I think the Ives piece (no.14?) is the wonderful Three Places in New England, and I would guess probably the third movement if forced to.

Correct. I finally found my copy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 07:14:32 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 01, 2007, 07:13:06 AM
Ives is right. Page numbering is a clue as to the title (possibly!) (and the cluster chords only actually appear in a few works).

The first page of something!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 07:15:16 AM
#1 looks like a Ligeti Etude, possibly... let me look real quick
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 07:40:57 AM
Damn, I've missed a few I knew!!

Guido is right on my Ives example, and Larry on the Ferneyhough piece

Guido's no 1 looks like Sorabji - I'm guessing the Sonata no 1

his no 2 like Schumann - I'm guessing the E flat variations  ;)

and his no 3 is Ives but not the Concord Sonata, despite the clusters
...oh, just seen the vocal line, so I'm guessing a song!! ;) - the first of the 114??? (whose name I forget)

Greg, is your 7th one Prokofiev...PC 2 perhaps?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 07:42:09 AM
I know the tune on Greg's no 7, but can't place it...but I'm sticking with my Prokofiev PC2 guess.

Now I have to go again. Hope I don't miss too much!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 09:09:31 AM
You're right Luke - it's the first of the 114 - one of his best actually (though there are so many good ones - his songs are surely one of the greatest collections of any composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 01, 2007, 09:15:09 AM
Guido's no. 1 has to be Sorabji. Who else would write a marking like "Presto vertiginoso confuria"?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 09:18:14 AM
Sorry can't upload the pictures right now...

Anyway - Luke you are right on the Schumann too! When you say it looks like Schumann, do you mean it sounds like Schumann, or could you literally tell by looking at it?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 09:20:25 AM
Guido, when did you suddenly make the jump from 270 to 287? Wow, that's SEVENTEEN more! :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 01, 2007, 09:29:39 AM
Hadn't updated for a while!

And now its 293!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 01, 2007, 09:18:14 AM
Anyway - Luke you are right on the Schumann too! When you say it looks like Schumann, do you mean it sounds like Schumann, or could you literally tell by looking at it?!

I haven't played it, though it looks like it sounds like Schumann, if you see what I mean. But I really meant it looks like him, texturally (with its roots in horn writing, for starters), plus the expression mark could only be Schumann. It is amazing how the personality of a composer's music can be stamped so clearly by just a few notes; factoring in the look of the various editions/handwritings/notations etc. (though not in this case) often makes these questions quite straightforward (though not always, I hasten to add)

Is the first one Sorabji, as I and then Mark guessed?  Not just the tempo marking that Mark mentions, but also the look of the score - fistfulls of obscure chords in semiquavers, no barlines, angular l.h. and so on, all say Sorabji very strongly to me. I am still plonking for the 1st Sonata, but only because I know they have it on IMSLP!! (and if I wasn't busy I pull up the file and check it...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 01, 2007, 10:57:25 AM
................
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:06:32 AM
The Sorabji - it is surely Sorabji! - is not the First Sonata, so I'm not sure what it is. I played through the Opus Clavicembalisticum years ago, and I don't remember this page, but that means nothing!

Manuel, I can't place yours offhand; the texture looks like early Rachmaninov (it reminds me of the Moments Musicaux for instance, though it certainly isn't one of those), and I'm sure I know it, but obviously not well enough!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:08:33 AM
I think Manuel's looks like Prokofiev's 2nd PC (the cadenza) but am too lazy to get my score (finally something I actually own...? ::)).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:18:05 AM
Maciek, you are right, Manuel's is the Prokofiev PC2 - I am listening to it to see if Greg's no 7 comes from it, and I hear Manuel's first!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:21:40 AM
Well, all I have is a 2 piano reduction but I'm fairly positive greg's is not from the 2nd PC. (?) Maybe it's the 3rd? Yeah, come to think of it, it looks like the third... ...?

(Can you tell I'm uncertain? ;D)


edit: no, it's definitely not the 3rd... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:39:19 AM
I know Greg's, but I can't remember where from (and it's bugging me!); Prokofiev is a bit of a thin spot in my knowledge I must admit, at least compared to most people here, but Greg's sample reminded me of something like the PC2. However, I don't think it is any more! Back to the drawing board....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:44:58 AM
Got it! I was nearly right - it's the Prok First PC - which I should have know as I think that's my favourite Prok. PC! But I don't have the score, only the two-piano, which I've only looked at once or twice. Still should have got it eariler [kicking myself]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:48:23 AM
Can I just say - I love this thread! Scores are just addictive, aren't they?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:53:43 AM
Well, it's a good thing you chimed in before I mentioned Rachmaninov... ;D I do feel excused though, on the grounds of not being particularly fond of Proko's 1st. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 11:54:55 AM
Could someone with a lot of time and patience draw up a list of the ones that haven't been guessed yet? 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
I think Larry's have all been traced; at least two of Greg's remain, and of mine, this is how things stand:

1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ? (I'm surprised this wasn't got straight away)
11 - ? (and ditto about this one)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)

I particularly like that we're trying to find interesting scores with personal styles and clues aplenty. More fun than playing hardball - it would be so easy to upload impossible ones, but where would the fun be in that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:18:01 PM
Well, I say no. 11 is Cage... What do you say? ;D

[edit: and groping my way further, I'd go for Concerto for Prepared Piano and Chamber Orchestra...??]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:22:28 PM
I say 'at last' - that inimitable handwriting could be no one else, could it! Now, can you name the piece - one of his most important works, in fact.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:26:46 PM
Concerto for Prepared Piano and Chamber Orchestra??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:30:34 PM
Bingo! And that's a bit harder than it looks to get because I think he only writes 'piano' in the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:34:47 PM
So that leaves only 1, 2, 8, 9, 13 and 21. Good work!

Maciek, I have a hunch you will know a few of these. If pushed, I'd say I'd particularly expect that you know no 1 (though I may be wrong)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:34:47 PM
If pushed, I'd say I'd particularly expect that you know no 1 (though I may be wrong)

Well, at first I thought it might be from Lutoslawski's Livre - but I checked the score (well, gave it a casual leafing ;D) and though it does look a bit like some of the ad libitum sections it's not from there. Could it be another Lutoslawski piece? Like the 3rd Symphony (because of that trumpet line)?

(Please don't laugh at me, you can't imagine how difficult this game is for people with knowledge on my level! :o)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:41:34 PM
Not Lutoslawski, no. Not a million miles away, geographically.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
Can you by any chance pin down the publisher? That might help...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:44:26 PM
Not me. I've got no more than 20-30 scores at home myself (well, not counting piano, of course ;D), and they all come from the same publisher. And I've seen maybe 10 more in my entire life... :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
A million miles is such a long way... Could it at least be the same continent? (I mean Europe?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
Yes, I meant to narrow it down a little more than 'it is either terrestrial or lunar'. Europe is correct; somewhere fairly near Poland even more so.

I'm surprised you don't have a big score collection - your success rate in this game suggests otherwise!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 01:00:40 PM
Nope, that's just pure luck - just groping around in the dark... ;D

Could no. 8 be the Scelsi?? ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 01:04:46 PM
It could and it is. Do you know the piece? But I need to update my list, I think!!


1 - ?
2 - ?
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl)
8 - Scelsi - ? - (Maciek)
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg)
13 - ?
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry)
21 - ?
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry)

Now come on, let's finish them off

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 01:04:46 PM
It could and it is. Do you know the piece?

I don't think I do. As you said, the instrumentation probably leaves little to choose from: violins are present, and a saxophone! My knowledge of Scelsi is good enough to see that those are clues but not good enough to use them. ;D I might try though... Are there any vocal parts in this piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 01:29:02 PM
No voices. How many violins?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 01:50:17 PM
Is it one written on 3 staves?? That would probably mean Anahit...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:09:34 PM
We got there! That's the one, and what a piece it is - one of his finest and most beautifully balanced works.

Interesting score, this. I have no idea why he transposes some parts (horn, for example) but not others (clarinets, for example). The one-violin-on-three-staves thing is no joke or eccentricity - it is necessary for reasons of clarity, as all strings are constantly in use on very closely adjacent notes (the violin has scordatura in this ravishing piece). He carries this notation to its limit in the 4th Quartet, written on 16 staves - one for each string!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:26:39 PM
alright, Luke got #7.

i'll put out 3 more and won't post any more until all are succesfully guessed.

here's a couple of hints:
#1 is an American composer
#2 is a sort of European composer... use your imagination on this one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:27:19 PM
g8
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:27:50 PM
g9 and g10
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:30:17 PM
any more clues on 21, Luke?
I'm dying to figure out which one that is......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
No, man.....


As for these three new ones of yours, they are tricky. The first one...well, for no particular reason I'm going to chuck out the names Eotvos and Dutilleux....or maybe Lindberg (yes, it looks like his work, I think), or Saariaho. Basically, I don't know!

The second one looks like I should know, but it isn't ringing any bells right now

The handwriting in the third looks like Ligeti's, though I can't place the piece right now, which probably means it is something like San Francisco Polyphony or Melodien...... ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:46:35 PM
none of your guesses are right

the first one is a powerful piece, the second one a famous piece, the third is by a composer who should be a bit more well-known
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 02:48:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
No, man.....


As for these three new ones of yours, they are tricky. The first one...well, for no particular reason I'm going to chuck out the names Eotvos and Dutilleux....or maybe Lindberg (yes, it looks like his work, I think), or Saariaho. Basically, I don't know!

The second one looks like I should know, but it isn't ringing any bells right now

The handwriting in the third looks like Ligeti's, though I can't place the piece right now, which probably means it is something like San Francisco Polyphony or Melodien...... ???

Are the really familiar ones the hardest to get? #2 is from the second movement of La Mer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:46:35 PM
none of your guesses are right

the first one is a powerful piece, the second one a famous piece, the third is by a composer who should be a bit more well-known


You see, your italicised powerful makes me think of Kraft - that would be a very strong candidate, I'd have thought. But you said it wasn't Lindberg....

As for the second one, I am kicking myself! I knew it was French, I knew I knew it, it has the motivic unity of Debussy, and yet I didn't make the connection. Something about the look of this excerpt, and the particular printing perhaps, makes it look more 19th century here.

The third one - I know that handwriting, I'm sure of it, though if it isn't Ligeti I don't know who it is right now....I will ponder on
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 01, 2007, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 02:48:01 PM
Are the really familiar ones the hardest to get? #2 is from the second movement of La Mer.
another one for Larry!

ok, Luke, i meant #9 was the one i was dying to find out. i'll take another guess.... uh, i really don't know. Did I say Schnittke already? hmmmmmm Arvo Part? Gorecki? Feldman? lol, ok, that's probably too many guesses

Guido's #3 is possibly Schuller
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:55:02 PM
Hold on a minute, scrub what I said about Ligeti's handwriting. That is Rihm's scrawl in your new no 3, surely, Greg?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 02:58:51 PM
Ah, my no 9. Hmm, clues, clues, clues. Well, that guitar part at the top (acoustic, I'm afraid) is a kind of concertante solo, even though so quiet, slow and simple that I could play it. Then there are the harmonium and cimbalom, which might help. This composer has written only a few orchestral pieces and is better known for his smaller scale songs and piano pieces. One of the finest contemporary composers. This piece has had only one recording AFAIK, though a high profile one. Enough clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:13:49 PM
Here I come with one more. You'll see the JPG has six excerpts on it. Most if not all will be easy to get, though you of course have to identify them all. But that's not the challenge. The challenge is to identify the common thread that unites all six pieces.

Enjoy.  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:22:27 PM
OK, got 5 of the pieces - you are right, they are straightforward. Should I say them or keep quiet till I have the link (if I get it)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:23:22 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:22:27 PM
OK, got 5 of the pieces - you are right, they are straightforward. Should I say them or keep quiet till I have the link (if I get it)?

Up to you!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:23:22 PM
Up to you!

Clues may or may not come depending on how quickly the riddle is solved.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:28:46 PM
Well, I can't see any link yet, so I might as well at least say the pieces

Bach - Double Violin Concerto
Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze
not sure about the third one yet - am trying out some possibilities!
Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings
Webern - Symphony
Ravel -Tzigane
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:28:46 PM
Well, I can't see any link yet, so I might as well at least say the pieces

Bach - Double Violin Concerto
Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze
not sure about the third one yet - am trying out some possibilities!
Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings
Webern - Symphony
Ravel -Tzigane

Those five are correct. First clue in about 1/2 hour.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:44:34 PM
Are all six necessary for the link to be found?

and should I be worried that I can't pick the third one straight away?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
oh, and is the link to do with these particular excerpts/movements, or to do with the complete pieces? Or is that asking too much!?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:44:34 PM
Are all six necessary for the link to be found?

and should I be worried that I can't pick the third one straight away?

No and no.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
oh, and is the link to do with these particular excerpts/movements, or to do with the complete pieces? Or is that asking too much!?

Think in terms of the complete works in each case.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 03:53:41 PM
Now just let me eat dinner while you're mulling this over...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 03:59:45 PM
The third one is Mendelssohn's Scottish Symphony (phew!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:07:41 PM
All used for choreography by Balanchine?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:07:41 PM
All used for choreography by Balanchine?

You got it!  :D

How did you work that out, if I may ask? was it obvious?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:32:23 PM
No, it wasn't obvious at all, or not to me - I'm the first to admit that I know next to nothing about dance. So I must confess, I just put what I thought was a particularly unlikely pair - the Davidsbundlertanze and Tzigane, I think - into Google with the idea that as they have little obvious in common, a webpage on which their names are close together may well provide my answer. I found something about Balanchine so I put 'Webern Balanchine', 'Mendelssohn Balanchine' etc. into Google and kept getting results.

Sorry if this prosaic and possibly 'cheating' method takes away from your question and your time-consuming preparation - there was no other way I'd have got the answer, however, I assure you! At least, I expect I'd have needed a good many clues...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
And now I'm going to bed before you have a chance to get cross with me!  ;)

(in my defence - at least I got the music samples themselves without aid!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
And now I'm going to bed before you have a chance to get cross with me!  ;)

How do you think I got the Liszt? It looked very familiar, but then I Googled 7/4, found it, looked up the score, and bingo. I have nothing against creative research!!

I am only cross in that you deprived me of the chance to use my excellent clues.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 04:37:48 PM
How do you think I got the Liszt? It looked very familiar, but then I Googled 7/4, found it, looked up the score, and bingo. I have nothing against creative research!!

I am only cross in that you deprived me of the chance to use my excellent clues.  :D


LOL! And as I admitted pages ago, Google was how I found out what your mysterious 'number 20' was too (which is why I was reluctant to say what is was back then, though I hope you noticed my little clue later on - 'it isn't by Webern, but it nearly is').
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 01, 2007, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 04:42:57 PM

LOL! And as I admitted pages ago, Google was how I found out what your mysterious 'number 20' was too (which is why I was reluctant to say what is was back then, though I hope you noticed my little clue later on - 'it isn't by Webern, but it nearly is').


And my next question is, how did Larry figure out the Villa-Lobos using only evidence Luke provided (when he thought he was being so clever in cropping out the title page)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:31:45 PM
Well, I would hope from the clues in the music (I've tried to leave clues in all my examples, otherwise there's no fun in it, I think). In this case, two clues above all:

1) the accelerating push-pull figure, which is an obvious musical equivalent for the idea 'steam train leaving station', but which is actually pretty rare and in orchestral music is best known in Honneger's Pacific 231 and Villa Lobos' Bachianas Brasileras 2

2) the Brazillian percussion

the two taken together making the Villa Lobos the the only possible choice, I'd have thought.

You mean you did it some other way? ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:32:11 AM
I have to say that I find your collective knowledge of scores incredible, quite apart from actually being able to identify a work from one page of a score. I am in awe! 8)

Greg - my no.3 was already identified as a song by Ives - the first of the 114 song book, but no-one's guessed the right song - the first three words are a clue (think politics!)

OK - so here's some scores - they're all a bit dark, but the Great British summer which is providing the light is awful, so its not my fault! You even get to see an attractive shot of my index finger (not sure which hand).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:33:12 AM
more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:34:31 AM
and a few more....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:38:30 AM
Great thread idea by the way Sean! Do you really think that the Fifth Cello Suite is Bach's finest work? And a little thing - it was composed for scordatura tuning - the top string down from an A to a G to give a darker timbre (rather than a six stringed cello as you suggested). The sixth wuite was indeed composed for a five stringed cello, but these are so rare that it is usually played as a virtuoso piece on a four stringer.

With mine - thinking of what instrument I play probably will give you more than an inkling in a lot of cases. A few are quite easy. Don't really have that many full scores - mostly piano reductions of concerti.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:44:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 01, 2007, 11:31:45 PM
Well, I would hope from the clues in the music (I've tried to leave clues in all my examples, otherwise there's no fun in it, I think). In this case, two clues above all:

1) the accelerating push-pull figure, which is an obvious musical equivalent for the idea 'steam train leaving station', but which is actually pretty rare and in orchestral music is best known in Honneger's Pacific 231 and Villa Lobos' Bachianas Brasileras 2

2) the Brazillian percussion

the two taken together making the Villa Lobos the the only possible choice, I'd have thought.

You mean you did it some other way? ;)

Of course! Actually, the image was cropped too tightly for me to read all the percussion names. And it's not a piece I know well, V-L not being on my personal hit parade. But you left the 6-digit catalog number at the bottom, and it looked like a Ricordi print. From there, simple.

Nothing wrong with creative research, as I said.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 05:59:54 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:44:40 AM
Of course! Actually, the image was cropped too tightly for me to read all the percussion names. And it's not a piece I know well, V-L not being on my personal hit parade....

...nor on mine. I'm feeling slightly guilty as I know that a few of the pieces I have chosen are by composers you don't rate that highly - I imagine you finding the answer and thinking 'all that effort, for that - ugh!' But I think the point is to choose interesting-looking scores with a trail of clues to follow...

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:44:40 AMBut you left the 6-digit catalog number at the bottom, and it looked like a Ricordi print. From there, simple.

Nothing wrong with creative research, as I said.

And when did you leave your job in the force, Detective Rinkel!  :o That's far too imaginative for me - I thought the choo-choo train impression was enough to go on!

So when you gave your answer, then - Villa Lobos BB 2 - you really meant only that, and weren't thinking of the train impression in this last movement?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 06:09:16 AM
Guido, your number 4 is one of Stravinsky's children's pieces 'for the five fingers' (the little figure at the top of the page refers to the hand position required); number 8 is a piece of Piazzolla - a piece I know but whose name momentarily escapes me (I'll have it in a while, I think). I'll have to look at the others a bit more, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 06:12:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 05:59:54 AM
So when you gave your answer, then - Villa Lobos BB 2 - you really meant only that, and weren't thinking of the train impression in this last movement?

No, I was aware of it. The little train of the -- whatever. I have one V-L CD with BB 2, 4, and 8. That's enough for me. Dpn't feel guilty. I'd feel worse if V-L was on your Hit Parade.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 06:15:40 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:38:30 AM
Great thread idea by the way Sean!

We lost Sean 100 posts ago . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 06:22:48 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 02, 2007, 05:33:12 AM
more...

#5 is from the 3rd movement of the Samuel Barber piano sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 06:28:36 AM
Guido's no 7 is the opening of the Finzi Cello Concerto - should have got that one straight away. His number 10 I don't know, but I'm going to throw in the name Chausson - it looks very French for all sorts of reasons, and the 5/4 is suggestive of him, even though it's only a bar's-worth..... but I'm not aware of this piece if it is him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:29:06 AM
But Sean started it, so I thought he deserved some thanks (he may read the forum still?).

no.4 Right Luke -  I really like those little pieces by Stravinsky - real quality is difficult to find in children's works.

no.5 Yeah - that looks absolutely fearsome to play (but perhaps it's easier to play than it looks?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:34:07 AM
I suppose at the extrememly slow speed that its at it is easier than it looks.

Right there on the Finzi cello concerto - such an arresting opening, and those upward moving trills and scotch snap rhythms are very characteristic of the movement of course.

Still have 6, 8, 9, 10 to get.

no.8 is by Piazzolla, but which piece?

no.10 - It's not Chausson, but it French as you say (French publishers all have the same look).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:51:02 AM
Quoteno.10 - It's not Chausson, but it French as you say (French publishers all have the same look).

Oh yeah - and the markings are in french - actually I love the directions he gives (not much of a clue to say he's male!) - mettre beaucoup de pédale (dans un halo sonore) - a truly magical passage. Also the cello line at figure one - p mais tres intense
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 07:07:45 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:29:06 AM
no.5 Yeah - that looks absolutely fearsome to play (but perhaps it's easier to play than it looks?)

No - it's absolutely brutal.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 07:15:16 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 02, 2007, 06:34:07 AM
I suppose at the extrememly slow speed that its at it is easier than it looks.

Right there on the Finzi cello concerto - such an arresting opening, and those upward moving trills and scotch snap rhythms are very characteristic of the movement of course.

Still have 6, 8, 9, 10 to get.

no.8 is by Piazzolla, but which piece?

no.10 - It's not Chausson, but it French as you say (French publishers all have the same look).



#10 is the slow movement of the Poulenc cello sonata - a piece I've never heard before, indeed, did not know of its existence until five minutes ago. Creative research.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 02, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
Guido's #9 is the Leonard Bernstein Clarinet Sonata, 2nd movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 07:15:16 AM
#10 is the slow movement of the Poulenc cello sonata - a piece I've never heard before, indeed, did not know of its existence until five minutes ago. Creative research.  :D

OTOH, I do know, and didn't recognise it. The shame..... :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 09:27:49 AM
Correct Larry - Although it was meant to make you listen to the piece! Its one of my favourite slow movements ever.

That's right Mark - again, another favourite passage - breathtakingly beautiful.

I have some more lined up, some easy, some difficult.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 09:29:07 AM
more

(mystery 13 buggered up... mystery14 is just the cello part to a concerto, but most of the hall marks of the composer are there - Such a good opening)

mystery 15 also has an orchestral accompaniment version.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 02, 2007, 09:46:36 AM
i'm not even going to try, lol
Guido, is 11 a late Stravinsky score?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 02, 2007, 10:27:20 AM
I believe it's the Requiem Canticles, the opening movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 02, 2007, 10:30:21 AM
The word "cello solo" in #14 looks like a C.F. Peters typeface.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on September 02, 2007, 10:27:20 AM
I believe it's the Requiem Canticles, the opening movement.

Definitely. A guess (maybe a wild guess) for Guido #12: the Kodaly solo cello sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:18:29 PM
The only one I can do of these straight off is no 12, but Larry has already got it!  >:(  However, at least I can add emphasis - is is the Kodaly. I have this score anyway, but if I didn't, a big clue as to the identity is the obvious scordatura of the C and G strings (down to B and F#) which makes the cross-string arpeggios on this page a peroration in B major
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:18:29 PM
The only one I can do of these straight off is no 12, but Larry has already got it!  >:(  However, at least I can add emphasis - is is the Kodaly. I have this score anyway, but if I didn't, a big clue as to the identity is the obvious scordatura of the C and G strings (down to B and F#) which makes the cross-string arpeggios on this page a peroration in B major

Sorry, Luke.  :P Another batch from me:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
LR23 is a vocal score.
With LR27, I aligned it wrong in the scanner, but you can figure out the clefs.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:43:22 PM
Are we still missing any from the earlier pages?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:44:43 PM
I was about to say 23 looked like a vocal score - Wagner? (I only ask because I spotted a Tristan chord in the mix!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:44:43 PM
I was about to say 23 looked like a vocal score - Wagner? (I only ask because I spotted a Tristan chord in the mix!)

Not Wagner, but a plausible guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:43:22 PM
Are we still missing any from the earlier pages?

We're missing some of Greg's, I think. And of mine, we are missing 1,2,9,10,13 and 21
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Larry's no 27 - I am guessing Orff's Antigone
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Larry's no 27 - I am guessing Orff's Antigone

Yes. And is your #2 John Taverner?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
Yes it is - the handwriting/graphic style?

And your no 25 is Lutoslawski's Third, I think
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 01:16:44 PM
Kodaly, and Stravinsky are both correct of course. I wish I had some more interesting scores.

Here's some final ones from me...

No.17 is more 'commonly' known in its viola form. Also there is an orchestral version of the accompaniment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 01:19:24 PM
LR 25 is Lutoslawski I think?

EDIT: Just saw that Luke had guessed Lutoslawski 3rd
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 01:21:58 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 12:43:22 PM
Are we still missing any from the earlier pages?

no. 6 of mine is also not yet solved.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 01:50:48 PM
Some more from me to be going on with

LO 23 - easy if you know it, which I suspect many of you do
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 01:55:21 PM
LO 24 - follow clues - style? composer? handwriting? clues inherent in the music?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 01:59:22 PM
Lo 25 - has all the distinctive hallmarks of the composer, so you only really need to track down the piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:03:39 PM
LO 26 - this is a relatively obscure piece, but there is an easy way to track it down even if you've never heard it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:07:14 PM
LO 27
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:14:43 PM
LO 28 - especially heard in context, a really breathtaking piece of orchestration, IMO
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:21:16 PM
LO 29
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:26:09 PM
LO 30 - an early piece, rather experimental but not typical of the mature style. BTW, this is not a trio  but a piece for string ensemble.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
Yes it is - the handwriting/graphic style?

No = "Spem."

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
And your no 25 is Lutoslawski's Third, I think

Yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:30:20 PM
LO 31
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:31:51 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:28:49 PM
No = "Spem."

which means you can give me the title, I suppose
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:34:54 PM
LO 32 - you'll forgive me if I agree with Rubbra that this is a pretty ridiculous fugue subject.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:35:46 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:03:39 PM
LO 26 - this is a relatively obscure piece, but there is an easy way to track it down even if you've never heard it.

Dvorak - Romance - Andante con moto quasi allegretto - 2nd movement from String Quartet No. 5 in F minor, Op. 9

Hey, mebbe we should get a few more answers before throwing out any more examples!

I've got 5 unanswered still!!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:34:54 PM
LO 32 - you'll forgive me if I agree with Rubbra that this is a pretty ridiculous fugue subject.

The whole overblown thing is pretty ridiculous, but then most everything I've heard of his is.

Reger op. 132, variations on a little tiny theme from Mozart's K 331.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:31:51 PM
which means you can give me the title, I suppose

Spem in alium.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:41:37 PM
LO 33
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:35:46 PM
Dvorak - Romance - Andante con moto quasi allegretto - 2nd movement from String Quartet No. 5 in F minor, Op. 9

Hey, mebbe we should get a few more answers before throwing out any more examples!

I've got 5 unanswered still!!  :D

Correct on Dvorak SQ, Reger and Tavener - which latter leaves me with 5 unanswered of my first 22 also. Remind me which ones of yours remain, though I don't think I'll be able to do them!

EDIT - actually, not quite correct on the Tavener title.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:52:17 PM
Last one, Larry

LO 34
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:46:20 PM
Correct on Dvorak SQ, Reger and Tavener - which latter leaves me with 5 unanswered of my first 22 also. Remind me which ones of yours remain, though I don't think I'll be able to do them!

EDIT - actually, not quite correct on the Tavener title.

I'll live with the Taverner. My LR21-24, 26 remain unanswered. (I think we're all getting more obscure as this goes on.)

Clues on my 5 unanswered ones, just to move this along:

2 are from operas
1 is by a woman
2 are by the same composer
1 was greatly admired by Brahms
1 is British
1 is American
2 are string quartets (big help there)
All composer last names begin with consonants
All composer first names begin with consonants
3 composer first names have only four letters
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:54:42 PM
I'll live with the Taverner. My LR21-24, 26 remain unanswered. (I think we're all getting more obscure as this goes on.)

Possibly - though I'd say at least three of my last selection are probably known by most people here, and maybe six, not including the two you got, are only slightly harder.

The Tavener - you're so close I'll let you have it  ;) - is simply called In Alium. And I think your life can go on very happily if you never hear it, though it is full of sonorities such as I've never heard elsewhere.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
Possibly - though I'd say at least three of my last selection are probably known by most people here, and maybe six, not including the two you got, are only slightly harder.

Maybe, but I'm at the point of extreme sensory overload.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:07:37 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 02:54:42 PM
I'll live with the Taverner. My LR21-24, 26 remain unanswered. (I think we're all getting more obscure as this goes on.)

Clues on my 5 unanswered ones, just to move this along:

2 are from operas
1 is by a woman
2 are by the same composer
1 was greatly admired by Brahms
1 is British
1 is American
2 are string quartets (big help there)
All composer last names begin with consonants
All composer first names begin with consonants
3 composer first names have only four letters


Sorry, I didn't realise you meant this batch of yours.

Is number 24 from the Quartet by Ruth Crawford Seeger (which would fit a few of your categories!). I seem to recall that reductive-additive pattern from this piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:07:37 PM
Sorry, I didn't realise you meant this batch of yours.

Is number 24 from the Quartet by Ruth Crawford Seeger (which would fit a few of your categories!). I seem to recall that reductive-additive pattern from this piece

Yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
Maybe, but I'm at the point of extreme sensory overload.

Sounds...intriguing. I too should really stop for now, as I have less fun things that need to be done, and it is late already. But I doubt I'll be so sensible.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:21:16 PM
LO 29

Is this Richard Strauss?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:16:42 PM
No.

To me a big clue as to the identity (or at least the nationality) is the chord progression of the last bar. Nothing spectacular in itself, but in this context, to my mind anyway, it tends to point quite strongly towards a particular type of music from a particular country
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:16:42 PM
No.

To me a big clue as to the identity (or at least the nationality) is the chord progression of the last bar. Nothing spectacular in itself, but in this context, to my mind anyway, it tends to point quite strongly towards a particular type of music from a particular country

I, I+, possibly leading to VI in first inversion . . . I'm drawing a blank.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 02, 2007, 03:52:54 PM
Last 2... Easy one, and... another easy one...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:56:31 PM
[to Larry]

That's right - not much of a clue, I know - it could just as easily be the be the James Bond theme (though in the major mode)! But when combined with this kind of texture and melodic material, at least to my ears it's quite a specific sound, and I could probably cite you other similar instances of its use, except that that would give the game away. This theme first appears on a solo clarinet at the beginning of the movement; this is the start of its climactic restatement (it grows from here).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 02, 2007, 03:52:54 PM
Last 2... Easy one, and... another easy one...?

19 - Ives 4, 2nd mvt. - though your score is laid out differently from mine.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:01:04 PM
Guido, I don't know either, but the second one looks like a pretentious pile of crap.

Actually, the first one could be Ives 4, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:06:14 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:01:04 PM
Guido, I don't know either, but the second one looks like a pretentious pile of crap.

LOL

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:01:04 PM
Actually, the first one could be Ives 4, come to think of it.

I'm sure of it.

Is LO34 from that Jerry Springer Opera that was so big in the UK?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:56:31 PM
[to Larry]

That's right - not much of a clue, I know - it could just as easily be the be the James Bond theme (though in the major mode)! But when combined with this kind of texture and melodic material, at least to my ears it's quite a specific sound, and I could probably cite you other similar instances of its use, except that that would give the game away. This theme first appears on a solo clarinet at the beginning of the movement; this is the start of its climactic restatement (it grows from here).

Unfortunately I'm not getting anything more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:41:37 PM
LO 33

Looks like B+H typography, similar to that used for BB in the War Requiem, though it looks a bit too dissonant for Britten . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:06:14 PM
LOL

Not too loud, Larry... I assume Guido has just taken it out of context.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:06:14 PMIs LO34 from that Jerry Springer Opera that was so big in the UK?

I'm not sure if you are serious, but the answer is no! This is a much more scandalous piece altogether.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:09:36 PM
Looks like B+H typography, similar to that used for BB in the War Requiem, though it looks a bit too dissonant for Britten . . .

Correct on publisher, initial of composer's surname and his decade of birth. Which is more than enough clues. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
Correct on publisher, initial of composer's surname and his decade of birth. Which is more than enough clues. ;D

Could be Leonard Bernstein, Gordon Binkert, or Robert Barclay - the last two just names to me.

One more this evening from me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Could be Leonard Bernstein, Gordon Binkert, or Robert Barclay - the last two just names to me.

So which one do you think it is likely to be, then.... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:27:35 PM
Is your latest from Bolcom's Songs of Experience? I recognise my Blake, and I recognise the words 'Rock singer'. Ergo.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 03:56:31 PM
[to Larry]

That's right - not much of a clue, I know - it could just as easily be the be the James Bond theme (though in the major mode)! But when combined with this kind of texture and melodic material, at least to my ears it's quite a specific sound, and I could probably cite you other similar instances of its use, except that that would give the game away. This theme first appears on a solo clarinet at the beginning of the movement; this is the start of its climactic restatement (it grows from here).

As in the Liebestraum by Liszt - I'm going to guess this is a Liszt tone poem I maybe don't know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:27:35 PM
Is your latest from Bolcom's Songs of Experience? I recognise my Blake, and I recognise the words 'Rock singer'. Ergo.....

Too easy. Now how about my other four? You've had clues galore.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:34:02 PM
As in the Liebestraum by Liszt - I'm going to guess this is a Liszt tone poem I maybe don't know.

No, sorry. Maybe my one clue was confusing in any case - it's probably more related to my own hearing habits than to musical fact.

Try further east.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:34:34 PM
Too easy. Now how about my other four? You've had clues galore.

Does that mean my Bolcom guess was right or wrong?

Re. your other four. I've been working on them, believe me! I don't think I'm going to get them, at least not soon. But I've got the other three of that set of seven, so I'm not doing too badly. Your clues haven't been too much help, I must admit, though I was grateful that you pointed out that two were string quartets.... :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:44:06 PM
Don't worry, I've just confirmed with the Bolcom CD.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:47:36 PM
BTW, I am still waiting for my numbers 1, 9, 10, 13 and 21 (particularly surprised about 1 and 10), as well as my new ones 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, and 34 - and I've given clues galore! More clues on request.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:39:04 PM
No, sorry. Maybe my one clue was confusing in any case - it's probably more related to my own hearing habits than to musical fact.

Try further east.

Does that mean my Bolcom guess was right or wrong?

Re. your other four. I've been working on them, believe me! I don't think I'm going to get them, at least not soon. But I've got the other three of that set of seven, so I'm not doing too badly. Your clues haven't been too much help, I must admit, though I was grateful that you pointed out that two were string quartets.... :P

Russia?

Bolcom right.

I think my clues are great!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:26:13 PM
So which one do you think it is likely to be, then.... ;)

I wish I could say Lenny, but I can't match any pieces from him when published by B+H.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:47:36 PM
BTW, I am still waiting for my numbers 1, 9, 10, 13 and 21 (particularly surprised about 1 and 10), as well as my new ones 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, and 34 - and I've given clues galore! More clues on request.

1 looks familiar...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
Russia?

Russia is right. And a whole bunch of Rinkel clues for you - it is a piece of orchestral music by a male composer with more than four letters in his surname  ;D


Go with your instinct on Lenny, btw.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 04:55:15 PM
1 looks familiar...

The clue I gave Maciek on this one was that it came from his general part of the world, though not Poland.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:20:24 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:56:57 PM
The clue I gave Maciek on this one was that it came from his general part of the world, though not Poland.

Knowing you, it has to be something by Janacek.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:26:17 PM
Your instinct about that Tristan chord is very relevant, and once you can apply that, use my other clues to help narrow it down.

More clues:
Both operas are little-known today.
One opera takes place in Spain.
One does not.
The composer of one of the operas was not American, but in one sense you might have the impression he was American.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 04:56:01 PM
Russia is right. And a whole bunch of Rinkel clues for you - it is a piece of orchestral music by a male composer with more than four letters in his surname  ;D


Go with your instinct on Lenny, btw.....

Rachmaninoff?

Lenny - Mass doesn't seem right. Dybbuk doesn't seem right. Don't know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:20:24 PM
Knowing you, it has to be something by Janacek.

Am I that predictable?  ;D No, it isn't. Right country, though.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:27:35 PM
Rachmaninoff?

No.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 02, 2007, 05:27:35 PMLenny - Mass doesn't seem right. Dybbuk doesn't seem right. Don't know.

It's actually one of his best known pieces (look at the orchestration, btw), so it's possible that whatever catalogue you are consulting is misleading you.

I'm off to work now, but I will look at your latest clues tonight. One thought, though, without consulting anything or looking back at the examples - if one is set in Spain, and I confused one opera for Wagner, is it possible that one of your samples is Wolf? Der Corregidor is what I am thinking of. I don't know it, though, so this is only a guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 03, 2007, 02:49:53 AM
Luke - is your no.23 the Dvorak violin concerto - end of the first movement? I haven't heard the piece in four years, and don't have a score, so this is just a guess based on the violin line, and the attacca...

no.31 - a completely wild guess - Schnittke string trio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 03:29:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 11:38:04 PM
I'm off to work now, but I will look at your latest clues tonight. One thought, though, without consulting anything or looking back at the examples - if one is set in Spain, and I confused one opera for Wagner, is it possible that one of your samples is Wolf? Der Corregidor is what I am thinking of. I don't know it, though, so this is only a guess.

Yes, one of the samples is the prelude to Wolf's rarely played Corregidor.

I'm going to say the Bernstein is the Chichester Psalms, a work I barely know and don't think I have a score for. What I took for "Tpt" threw me, but if it's "Tpl" for temple blocks, it'll work, and the rhythm, harmony, etc., are right for an LB work from that period.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:08:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 11:38:04 PM
No.

Rimsky?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:11:20 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 03, 2007, 02:49:53 AM
Luke - is your no.23 the Dvorak violin concerto - end of the first movement? I haven't heard the piece in four years, and don't have a score, so this is just a guess based on the violin line, and the attacca...

Correct

Quote from: Guido on September 03, 2007, 02:49:53 AM
no.31 - a completely wild guess - Schnittke string trio?

Also correct!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:14:15 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 03:29:23 AM
Yes, one of the samples is the prelude to Wolf's rarely played Corregidor.

Hooray!

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 03:29:23 AMI'm going to say the Bernstein is the Chichester Psalms, a work I barely know and don't think I have a score for. What I took for "Tpt" threw me, but if it's "Tpl" for temple blocks, it'll work, and the rhythm, harmony, etc., are right for an LB work from that period.

It is the Chichester Psalms, (from the opening of the last one) - but it is a trumpet - the work is scored for strings, harps, brass and percussion

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:08:07 AM
Rimsky?

No, but you're getting down to the right handful (note heavy italics!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:20:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:14:15 AM
Hooray!

It is the Chichester Psalms, (from the opening of the last one) - but it is a trumpet - the work is scored for strings, harps, brass and percussion

No, but your getting down to the right handful (note heavy italics!)

Shows you I don't know the Bernstein very well.

Not likely we've got Mussorgsky or Cui. Now let me start thinking about Borodin and Balakirev.

Finally - 1 - Martinu's 6th symphony!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:23:27 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:20:37 AM
Shows you I don't know the Bernstein very well.

Not likely we've got Mussorgsky or Cui. Now let me start thinking about Borodin and Balakirev.

Finally - 1 - Martinu's 6th symphony!!!!  ;D

Got it - at last!

Should I clarify that I think the Wolf is your no 24? Because I do... ;) - that's 4 of that set of 7 found now, and with your Martinu deduction only 4 left of my original 22 also, (though the ones from last night are mostly still to be found).

Carry on thinking about Borodin and Balakirev. It shouldn't take you long now; this is one of its composer's more celebrated movements.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:26:30 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 03:29:23 AM
Yes, one of the samples is the prelude to Wolf's rarely played Corregidor.

I'm going to say the Bernstein is the Chichester Psalms, a work I barely know and don't think I have a score for. What I took for "Tpt" threw me, but if it's "Tpl" for temple blocks, it'll work, and the rhythm, harmony, etc., are right for an LB work from that period.

Actually I have a vocal score to the CP. I must hear it again today, I know I have a CD.

23 is the Wolf. 24 is Ruth Crawford Seeger. Now you can start using my other clues....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 04:39:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 04:23:27 AM
Got it - at last!

Should I clarify that I think the Wolf is your no 24? Because I do... ;) - that's 4 of that set of 7 found now, and with your Martinu deduction only 4 left of my original 22 also, (though the ones from last night are mostly still to be found).

Carry on thinking about Borodin and Balakirev. It shouldn't take you long now; this is one of its composer's more celebrated movements.

Not Borodin's 2nd, not the Steppes, not the Balakirev Islamey if orchestrated. Don't know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 03, 2007, 08:54:12 AM
ok, i've revealed the answers, 1, 6, 8, and 10 weren't guessed so i added my name.
so, everyone, just tell me when you want my next batch of 10 scores (g11-g20).
personally, i feel like waiting until all the other scores have been identified.

g1- Corigliano- Symphony #1 (Greg)
g2- Takemitsu- Distance (Maciek)
g3- Reich- Piano Phase (Larry)
g4- Ligeti- Viola Sonata (Edward)
g5- Adams- Phrygian Gates (Guido)
g6- Kagel- String Sextet (Greg)
g7- Prokofiev- Piano Concerto #1 (Luke)
g8- Xenakis- Jonchaies (Greg)
g9- Debussy- La Mer (Larry)
g10- Norgard- Symphony 6 (Greg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 03, 2007, 08:58:38 AM
lo 24 looks like Babbitt and lo 25 looks like Takemitsu, but the notes don't sound like him much- if not him, probably Stravinsky
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
Quote from: greg on September 03, 2007, 08:54:12 AM
ok, i've revealed the answers, 1, 6, 8, and 10 weren't guessed so i added my name.
so, everyone, just tell me when you want my next batch of 10 scores (g11-g20).
personally, i feel like waiting until all the other scores have been identified.

I think we should wait. Otherwise everything gets too confusing. And I would like to capture all the images into a file as a kind of anthology.

I have that Corigliano in hard copy, and have even heard it twice live. But frankly, if I had been you, I would have quoted a passage that's more characteristic - like the slow repeated fortissimo notes at the opening, or the Albeniz tango that comes in on the offstage piano. Accompaniment patterns like the one you provided just don't give much to focus on.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 03, 2007, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
I think we should wait. Otherwise everything gets too confusing. And I would like to capture all the images into a file as a kind of anthology.

I have that Corigliano in hard copy, and have even heard it twice live. But frankly, if I had been you, I would have quoted a passage that's more characteristic - like the slow repeated fortissimo notes at the opening, or the Albeniz tango that comes in on the offstage piano. Accompaniment patterns like the one you provided just don't give much to focus on.

i don't have the score, i just found the first page of the score online, i can see that it'd be pretty hard  :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: greg on September 03, 2007, 09:23:44 AM
i don't have the score, i just found the first page of the score online, i can see that it'd be pretty hard  :-X

Ah. That does make a difference.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 03, 2007, 11:54:21 AM
Wow! The speed at which this thread is moving along is absolutely astonishing! It's moved 5 pages ahead since I last checked in! I have to confess, though - I'm completely lost: don't which ones have been answered, how many are left to guess or where they are...

I think a good idea would be to find the ones that haven't been answered yet and put them all in one big post - so there's no need to go back and forth between pages: this would be possible because you can hotlink to attachments (show them as images hosted from the GMG site) - so there's no need to reattach the files. If you guys could list your unanswered scores, I could even make the big post myself. But right now I'm just overwhelmed with the amount of material... :o

(Luckily for everyone I'm too lazy to join in ;D - otherwise I guess I could come up with 5-7 interesting ones, though the name of the poster would be too much of a clue in all the cases ;))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: greg on September 03, 2007, 08:58:38 AM
lo 24 looks like Babbitt and lo 25 looks like Takemitsu, but the notes don't sound like him much- if not him, probably Stravinsky

None of the above. 25 is a typical example of this composer's style - and the look of the score is also typical. 24 is a more brutal, raw piece than one would associate with Babbitt.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 03, 2007, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 03, 2007, 11:54:21 AM
I think a good idea would be to find the ones that haven't been answered yet and put them all in one big post - so there's no need to go back and forth between pages: this would be possible because you can hotlink to attachments (show them as images hosted from the GMG site) - so there's no need to reattach the files. If you guys could list your unanswered scores, I could even make the big post myself. But right now I'm just overwhelmed with the amount of material... :o

Well, as far as mine go, this is the list after Larry's recent run, with the name of the solver. I've hyperlinked each number to the relevant post:

1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

I would happily do the same for Larry's, Guido's and Greg's ones (and any others I've forgotten) but it's quite nice making a list of who solved them, and I am less sure for these guys' questions than for those I set myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 03, 2007, 02:32:10 PM
Luke, your way of doing this is propably better than mine - the hyperlinks are an excellent idea!

Just to see if mine even works though - here's what I had in mind:

Luke's (unsolved) mystery scores

LO No. 13
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3857;image)

LO No. 28
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4026;image)

[If you guys think this is too messy, I can delete this post... Or perhaps I should expand it by including the hints...?]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 03, 2007, 02:32:10 PM
A lot of score pages.

No, this is fine. I just don't know how you did it. I have a few unsolved myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 01:35:12 AM
I right-click on the score photo and select "copy link address" (not "copy image address" as that, I think, would only show a small version of the image). Then I write my post and paste this address in between these:
[img][/img]
(You can type them in or get the program to type them for you by clicking above the edit window and the smileys - on the small "picture" between the small "loudspeaker" and small "Earth" images - "Insert Image". Oh, no - I was trying to put this simply but it seems incomprehensible now...)
If you post a list of the unsolved ones (just the numbers), I can do with yours the same I did with Luke's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 01:42:53 AM
Don't worry, Maciek, that's precisely what I've spent the last hour doing! Here are hyperlinks to all previous questions (including for completeness' sake my own, though I already posted  them three posts up), plus answers and solvers where appropriate. In the next post I will try to reproduce the images of those still unanswered, unless Maciek is desperate to...

Hope this works!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Kurtag) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 5th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)

Edit - I'm going to update this post as and when the remaining questions are answered, as just now for Larry's success with my no 25 (Varese, Nocturnal)


I've copied this post into page 24, where it is closer to the action; I'll update that post instead of this from now on.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 01:44:01 AM
Luke, this is excellent! Well done! :D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 02:06:04 AM
I've just looked through all the unsolved ones and I can sincerely say I haven't got a clue. 0:)

But there are some very interesting scores there, so I'll be waiting impatiently for the correct answers... 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 04, 2007, 02:17:48 AM
I think my 17 and 18 were accidentally the same, so I removed eighteen. Thanks for the helpful list Luke!
Quote
No 10. An easy one, I think, though there may be some noses that Rinkel up at it....and if that isn't a clue, I don't know what is 

Messiaen?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:48:44 AM
No, but I can see your logic!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 04:14:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 01:59:22 PM
Lo 25 - has all the distinctive hallmarks of the composer, so you only really need to track down the piece

I love these moments when you say to yourself, "could that possibly be - " and you take down the score from your shelf and it is!

In this case, Nocturnal by Varèse.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 04:20:48 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:48:44 AM
No, but I can see your logic!

So can I, but it doesn't look like Dittersdorf either.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
 ;D ;D


Re Nocturnal - Bingo! Previous list hereby updated....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 05:16:14 AM
I'm afraid, though, I've reached the limits of my guessing power without further clues.

As for the three of mine left unsolved, I'll repeat and amplify the hints:

One is by a composer already represented in my same series of 7. This composer has already been identified, and is not well known for string quartets.

One piece was quite popular at one time, a favorite of Brahms, but is rarely heard today, though a few recordings have been made.

Two of the pieces were championed by the same well-known conductor.

Though one of the pieces is from an opera, the composer is not one most associated with opera. On the other hand, one of the other composers (other than Wolf, already identified) wrote a once-popular opera little known today.

Actually all three composers wrote operas that are hardly played today.

One composer was Jewish.

One composer was not American, but you might get the impression there were some American aspects to his career.

Two of the composers contracted the same serious disease, though with different effects.

Two of the composers lived during the same highly partisan period in musical history, but one managed to stay friendly to both sides while the other was quite rabidly partisan.

C'est tout!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:21:07 AM
[will look at these further clues in a second Larry]

Guido, is your no 14 Carter, by any chance? It looks quite a lot like him - in fact he was the first thought that came to mind, but I'd clean forgotten about his cello concerto (which I haven't heard).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:22:11 AM
And I'll repost Larry's photos to go with the hints above:

LR30 aka LR21
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3997;image)

LR31 aka LR22
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3999;image)

LR35 aka LR26
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4007;image)

(I hope I didn't get these mixed up - let me know if I should correct anything!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:28:01 AM
So the first of these - the D minor quartet movement - is the first movement (Grave) of Wolf's Quartet, I assume.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:30:14 AM
Will it be completely wrong if at this messed up point I throw a couple of mine in? >:D

I know it would but, as you all know, it's difficult to resist once you have them on your computer. 0:) Luckily - I've only got five. Two of these are admittedly a bit obscure, one is half-obscure ( ;D) but very easy to guess if you've heard the piece even once. The other two are laughably easy (IMHO)... As I said before: look at who is posting these and you will easily guess all the rest. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:31:16 AM
MM04 and MM05
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:32:37 AM
(I'll let you on on the theme though: all of them feature at least one solo piano... ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:42:01 AM
The fact that is you, and also the print style, lead me to think all are Polish. No 4, I think, is from the Szymanowski Symphonie concertante (Symph 4) - second movement. I need to look at the others a little more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 04, 2007, 05:42:48 AM
No. 3 is the Lutoslawski Piano Concerto?

Edit: Duh, it's more likely the Paganini Variations. My first guess was based solely on the appearance of the PWM typography, which never fails to put the name Lutoslawski in my head.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 05:46:28 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:42:01 AM
The fact that is you, and also the print style, lead me to think all are Polish.

Some very good thinking there, Luke. ;D

QuoteNo 4, I think, is from the Szymanowski Symphonie concertante (Symph 4) - second movement.

Correct! :D

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on September 04, 2007, 05:42:48 AM
Edit: Duh, it's more likely the Paganini Variations.

Correct! :D

That's the two laughable ones behind us. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:48:13 AM
and no 3 looks (just possibly) like Lutoslawski Paganini Variations,...


darn, Mark already got there. The typeface and cutaway style says Lutoslawski; the sequences say Paganini...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:04:15 AM
OK, some clues to follow Larry's. My remaining ones are: 9, 10, 13, 21, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30, 34


Only one is American; it is recognisably so, but it specifically and titular-ly (?) associates itself with certain aspects of  twentieth century European music.

Two quote or refer to earlier works by major composers whose surnames begin with M

Two set religious texts (in Latin)

One depicts a very specific landscape and culture; the score contains an obvious hint as to what landscape/culture this is.

One is a memorial

One includes parts for football whistles and alarms

One is from an opera riddled with adverts, parodies, grotesqueries and social comment.

Two are from symphonies

One is taken from the last movement of the third piece of a very well-known triptych

One is a concert version of a film score.

One is infamous

The only one I haven't given a clue to was chosen by me, which is clue enough
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:05:19 AM
Maciek, is one of yours Penderecki? I'm thinking about no 5, but have little to justify myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 04, 2007, 06:06:43 AM
mm5 looks like Penderecki, i mean that's exactly how he writes his scores...
i just opened my Oxford Dictionary of music and flipped right into Penderecki's page right when i opened the book without turning any other pages (don't know how that happened) and tried looking for a piece with just piano and timpani, but couldn't find any (i didn't think i would).

the only too composers i know with scores that may look exactly like his are Serocki and Gorecki, i'm guessing the composer is Polish (big surprise!  ;D ) But i'm guessing Serocki over Gorecki- Serocki- Continuum...

(i've heard this before, and i should have a page from the score still on a CD somewhere)

oh wait..... let me change my guess again. Fantasmagoria
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:11:51 AM
Yes, I thought Serocki too - I've only seen a few of his scores, a long time ago, but I called them to mind when i saw no 5. Wouldn't know which piece it could be if it was him, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 06:26:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:04:15 AM
opera riddled with adverts, parodies

Type that into Google, and what do you get?

VeggieTales - Sumo of the Opera (http://www.epinions.com/content_156372536964)

Is my guess correct? :P

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:05:19 AM
Maciek, is one of yours Penderecki? I'm thinking about no 5, but have little to justify myself.

Luke, it is not Penderecki, though I can see why you thought it was him. It's probably the most obscure piece on the list. This composition was commissioned by the same man who commissioned Penderecki's Passion. It's the only one of mine scored for two pianos and orchestra. That's enough clues for now. ;D

OK, while I was writing this you guys narrowed it down very well. I've therefore made the clue a little shorter. :P

It's neither Continuum nor Fantasmagoria.

I must say I'm really impressed, BTW. Serocki is one of my favorite composers, and I've been intending to start a separate thread on him for a long time now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 04, 2007, 06:29:59 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 06:26:21 AM
It's neither Continuum nor Fantasmagoria.
dude, i give up, i have no idea  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 06:39:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 05:28:01 AM
So the first of these - the D minor quartet movement - is the first movement (Grave) of Wolf's Quartet, I assume.

Correct. Keep using your clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 06:41:38 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 06:26:21 AM
Type that into Google, and what do you get?

VeggieTales - Sumo of the Opera (http://www.epinions.com/content_156372536964)

Is my guess correct? :P


Just scroll down 4 paragraphs in that link . . . .

I've never even heard of Serocki.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 06:41:38 AM
Just scroll down 4 paragraphs in that link . . . .


'Schoolhouse Polka with Larry' - but...but....but that's my number 13! :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 06:44:21 AM
Quote
...Larry is quite exhausted by the time it's all over....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 06:50:57 AM
QuoteBuckle down, Serocki, buckle down . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 06:53:23 AM
This has become one my favorite threads, BTW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 07:47:24 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 06:53:23 AM
This has become one my favorite threads, BTW.

Then post a selection of your own!

Not to sound sententious, but what's good about this thread is that it calls upon you to use all kinds of musical knowledge - history, style, even typography - rather than just seeing a piece and identifying it on the spot.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 08:14:25 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 07:47:24 AM
Then post a selection of your own!

But, if I post a piece of my own, I am the only one who will be able to identify it!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 08:16:21 AM
Not really - if you posted Castelo, I'd propably recognize it! ;)

OK, I'll just add a few clues to mine. The Serocki - I've already given you a clue that basically narrows it all down to one piece. ;D And BTW, if Larry doesn't know him, I'm definitely starting a thread on him this week!

As for the other two:

One is by a composer whose cause I've been championing almost since the moment I joined GMG. Luke once criticized this composer's cello writing, saying it's not idiomatic and very contrived. (Guido, I understand, thought the cello piece quite intriguing.) I've once posted samples of 3 different performances of the beginning of this piece.

The other is by a composer who doesn't really need advertising. The piece in question (certainly not one of his best) has been released by Naxos (though that wasn't the premiere recording). IIRC most of the GMGers who commented on that disc weren't very enthusiastic about this piece (though one or two of them did say they liked it). It is dedicated to a pianist with a Polish surname who isn't really Polish but a Swede of Polish descent.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 08:19:46 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 08:14:25 AM
But, if I post a piece of my own, I am the only one who will be able to identify it!  ;)

Not if you post something from that score of yours you gave me . . .

But I was thinking of a selection from your own score library.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 08:26:02 AM
I've added clues to mine one post above (accidentally - fully believing that I'm actually writing a new post... ::))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:01:43 AM
Since my stock of good guesses had been depleted, I'll repost those of Guido's pictures which haven't been solved yet (BTW, Luke: it's 4th Symphony, and no. 5 is Serocki! $:), and thanks for including me in the list, BTW :)):

GMB 15
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=3994;image)

GMB 17
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4014;image)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 09:06:59 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 08:16:21 AM
One is by a composer whose cause I've been championing almost since the moment I joined GMG. Luke once criticized this composer's cello writing, saying it's not idiomatic and very contrived. (Guido, I understand, thought the cello piece quite intriguing.) I've once posted samples of 3 different performances of the beginning of this piece.

Well, I suppose this - and it can only be no 1 or no 2, and I'm plumping for no 1 (see below) - must be Szymanski, though I don't recall being that harsh on his cello writing. I think I remember what you are talking about - I think the piece in question had some polyphonic techniques which I've also seen in James Dillon, and which never really come off as written to my mind, though they can be effective in other ways. Can't make a guess as to the piece, though to be safe I'll ask if it's a piano concerto

Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 08:16:21 AMThe other is by a composer who doesn't really need advertising. The piece in question (certainly not one of his best) has been released by Naxos (though that wasn't the premiere recording). IIRC most of the GMGers who commented on that disc weren't very enthusiastic about this piece (though one or two of them did say they liked it). It is dedicated to a pianist with a Polish surname who isn't really Polish but a Swede of Polish descent.

Is this Kilar, by any chance? Guessing no 2 is the second mvt of his Piano Concerto, which has this tempo marking and is described on Amazon UK as having a repetitive piano part (in keeping with what else I've heard of Kilar) (I could just listen to their sample, I suppose)(I did, and it is!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:01:43 AM
(BTW, Luke: it's 4th Symphony, and no. 5 is Serocki! $:)

Oops, slip of the finger (corrected). At least I got it right in my original answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:17:42 AM
Well done, Luke! I was going to say Watson but in fact you're definitely Holmes! 8)

I didn't think your criticism of Szymanski was all that harsh, and I'm pretty sure I disfigured it quite a bit anyway. Obviously, I was close enough for you to remember what I meant though. ;D It is Szymanski, and it is his Piano Concerto - the toccata-like opening, to be exact.

And yes the other piece is Kilar's Piano Concerto. But, surprise, surprise, it's the first movement (well, you couldn't have got everything right! ;D). Actually, I think this one works quite well. It's the second and third that are a bit tiring and trying...

I guess I should be more reticent in my clues. The title of the Serocki is still open to discussion though. ;D

Update: this is what you originally said about Szymanski's Gigue. I'm reposting it because I think it's a very intelligent and interesting comparison (even if I'm not sure if the complexity is actually less calculated than Ferneyhough's - I'm not saying that based on my analytical abilities - which are nonexistent, only taking Szymanski's word for it ;)):

QuoteStrange looking piece! Certainly extremely hard! Reminds me in general (specifics are different) of James Dillon's special way of writing for strings, which makes the assumption that two part counterpoint in complex rhythms (say, a line in ninths on the D string against on in sevenths on the G) is a normal way to play. This is a sort of idealised complexity a world away from the horrendous and more carefully calculated demands of a Ferneyhough, for instance.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:17:42 AM
Update: this is what you originally said about Szymanski's Gigue. I'm reposting it because I think it's a very intelligent and interesting comparison (even if I'm not sure if the complexity is actually less calculated than Ferneyhough's - I'm not saying that based on my analytical abilities - which are nonexistent, only taking Szymanski's word for it ;)):

I wasn't saying that Szymanski isn't as calculating as Ferneyhough, more that Ferneyhough's primary concern, one could say, is the difficulty of his music - it is a parameter he calculates and grades almost as a contrapuntal element in the music. It follows that however insanely difficult Ferneyhough is, it is always potentially possible. Whereas this string-writing technique of Dillon's, also seen to my mind in the piece of Szymanski - (a technique which is more broad-brush, simple in its own way, and yet often pretty much technically impossible to bring off) - really functions as a kind of shorthand for something else. IOW, what is written is not what is expected of the player, but their attempt to play it will produce the right sound. Taking this into account, the music is generally easier than Ferneyhough, who never uses this kind of notational 'shorthand'.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 09:55:45 AM
Thanks, Luke. That's even more interesting now that I understand what you meant. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
Guido, why not add a few clues for us?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 04, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
GMB 14 is correct Luke - Carter's cello concerto is one of the most significant CCs of recent years I think - and a piece that amply demonstrates how beautiful atonal scores can be in a fairly traditional sense (though it has its fair share of eruptive dissonance too! The Symphonia is another beautiful score).

OK Here's some clues for the rest

2 composers became US citizens after moving from Europe
1 composer is famous for only one piece really
1 composer worked very closely with two very famous composers on the creation of this piece
1 composer is primarily known as a (current) conductor and also a film composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 01:01:39 PM
GMB 06 Previn - Sonata for cello and piano (1st mvt)!!! :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 01:58:01 PM
I'm going to say that Larry's 31/22 is the prelude to the second scene of Delius's A Village Romeo and Juliet. I finally managed to catch on to Larry's syphilis Larry's clue about two composers having suffered from the same disease was what led me there - Wolf had syphilis; so did Delius, who also has American elements to his career (another Larry clue). I don't know this work, but 31/22 looks fairly Delian, and at least is fairly obviously English; listening to the Amazon sample I found I wasn't entirely sure until the last few seconds, where that opening flute figure returns.

For some reason I never imagined Larry owning a Delius score, mind you...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 01:58:01 PM
I'm going to say that Larry's 31/22 is the prelude to the second scene of Delius's A Village Romeo and Juliet. I finally managed to catch on to Larry's syphilis Larry's clue about two composers having suffered from the same disease was what led me there - Wolf had syphilis; so did Delius, who also has American elements to his career (another Larry clue). I don't know this work, but 31/22 looks fairly Delian, and at least is fairly obviously English; listening to the Amazon sample I found I wasn't entirely sure until the last few seconds, where that opening flute figure returns.

For some reason I never imagined Larry owning a Delius score, mind you...

Larry owns a few Delius scores. It's unjust of me to say how rotten Delius is if I've never heard any Delius. This piece, however, which is not from A Village Romeo and Juliet (unless he used the same material over again - which, come to think of it, could be said of his entire boring career), but is one of the few Delius pieces I can more or less tolerate.  :D

It looks like one more of mine has to be guessed, and I'm kind of surprised so many have missed the mark on this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
Is it Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:51:46 PM
I don't suppose it can be if only one of the three was from an opera, because the implication of your last post is that the Delius isn't...

and there I was spending ages sifting the evidence.....

That rising melody which opens your Delius, whatever piece it is, is [almost] certainly in the Village R+J prelude I listened to....or maybe I was listening too hard for it. Listen (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/music/clipserve/B000001RZR001005/1/ref=mu_sam_ra001_005/026-5275857-5449242) and tell me if I'm mad! - towards the end, I thought.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
Is it Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony?

Finally! how did you get it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:00:59 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 02:51:46 PM
I don't suppose it can be if only one of the three was from an opera, because the implication of your last post is that the Delius isn't...

and there I was spending ages sifting the evidence.....

That rising melody which opens your Delius, whatever piece it is, is [almost] certainly in the Village R+J prelude I listened to....or maybe I was listening too hard for it. Listen (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/music/clipserve/B000001RZR001005/1/ref=mu_sam_ra001_005/026-5275857-5449242) and tell me if I'm mad! - towards the end, I thought.

It is Delius, and it is from an opera.

Or perhaps more precisely, it is based by Delius on material from an opera. Perhaps I didn't have that straight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 02:46:19 PM
It looks like one more of mine has to be guessed, and I'm kind of surprised so many have missed the mark on this one.

FWIW, I heard my first ever Delius piece last week. And it wasn't an opera (at least not that I'm aware of ;D)...

(OK, probably, I've heard Delius before that but I don't remember.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:00:29 PM
Finally! how did you get it?

Bear in mind I've never heard the piece and only seen chamber scores by the composer....

I sifted around your clues a little - a lot! - especially the bits about Brahms, Beecham (I worked him out, via Delius, from another of your clues) and the composer being Jewish. Wiki was - for once - quite a lot of help. I follwed a red herring thinking the music was French (led astray by the edition) until I saw the 'sehr zart'.

One thing confused me a little - your clue which said

QuoteTwo of the composers lived during the same highly partisan period in musical history, but one managed to stay friendly to both sides while the other was quite rabidly partisan.

I assume this refers to Wolf (rabidly partisan beyond all doubt) and Goldmark (Wiki quotes Liebermann: "His writing is distinctive for his even-handed promotion of both Brahms and Wagner, at a time when audiences (and most critics) were solidly in one composer's camp or the other and viewed those on the opposing side with undisguised hostility.") - but Goldmark (b.1830) was 30 years older than Wolf (b.1860), whereas Delius (b.1862) was only two years Wolf's junior - and yet Delius was as rabidly partisan as Wolf, AFAIK.

Anyway, got there in the end.

***

So, the Delius is opera-derived....the Irmelin prelude?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
Bear in mind I've never heard the piece and only seen chamber scores by the composer....

I sifted around your clues a little - a lot! - especially the bits about Brahms, Beecham (I worked him out, via Delius, from another of your clues) and the composer being Jewish. Wiki was - for once - quite a lot of help. I follwed a reed herring thinking the music was French (led astray by the edition) until I saw the 'sehr zart'.

One thing confused me a little - your clue which said

I assume this refers to Wolf (rabidly partisan beyond all doubt) and Goldmark (Wiki quotes Liebermann: "His writing is distinctive for his even-handed promotion of both Brahms and Wagner, at a time when audiences (and most critics) were solidly in one composer's camp or the other and viewed those on the opposing side with undisguised hostility.") - but Goldmark (b.1830) was 30 years older than Wolf (b.1860), whereas Delius (b.1862) was only two years Wolf's junior - and yet Delius was as rabidly partisan as Wolf, AFAIK.

Anyway, got there in the end.

***

So, the Delius is opera-derived....the Irmelin prelude?



Sorry about all that. Delius Irmelin Prelude - yes! All mine are in for now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 03:30:27 PM
A few left of Guido's and mine (more clues available above (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77230.html#msg77230)),  and they will all be solved.

All that is, except for the identification of Maciek's Serocki piece - my new guess, based on the 'one or more pianos' clue, is Forte e piano which I am told is for two pianos and orch.

And then, roll on Round Two!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 03:05:19 PM
FWIW, I heard my first ever Delius piece last week. And it wasn't an opera (at least not that I'm aware of ;D)...

(OK, probably, I've heard Delius before that but I don't remember.)

He does have that effect  . . . .  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 04, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Great Maciek! Only three left of mine.

I think the composers of two are reasonably easy to find (or at least not impossible), if not the actual piece in question (although once the composer is guessed there is only a very limited range of things that each could be.)

On the one with for violin and piano, close study of the violin part might be advised...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 04, 2007, 03:30:27 PM
All that is, except for the identification of Maciek's Serocki piece - my new guess, based on the 'one or more pianos' clue, is Forte e piano which I am told is for two pianos and orch.

The reasoning is flawless, therefore the conclusion is correct. 8)

(If you look closely, you'll notice that I even said the Serocki piece was for two pianos and orchestra. And there only seems to be one piece like that in his catalogue...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 04, 2007, 05:22:22 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
Guido, why not add a few clues for us?

(BTW, do take a look in the Broadcast Corner!)

Guys, you better keep Maciek away... He does the Midas thing...


everything he touches turns polish.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 12:25:12 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 04, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
On the one with for violin and piano, close study of the violin part might be advised...

Aha! - I had already thought of Schumann, but his A minor Sonata wasn't right. But....

...I forgot the Schumann-initiated FAE Sonata - Frei aber einsam - which was a collaborative effort between Schumann (who wrote the second and fourth movements), Brahms (whose Scherzo is probably the best-known movement) and Albert Dietrich, Schumann's pupil, whose first movement must be the answer to Guido's question. Dietrich must have absorbed enough of his teacher's style to be mistaken for him, because as I initially said, Schumann was my first thought when I saw this score.

The clue which Guido was hinting at, I assume, is the highlighted F - A - E on the last line (each movement makes reference to this motto); and now his clue about one of his works being a collaborative effort also makes sense.

Edit - this is Guido's no 16 I'm talking about, just to clarify
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 02:08:18 AM
Brilliant. I can't seem to find a recording of the complete piece anywhere...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:18:13 AM
Excellent! That leaves only two of yours - and they're bloody hard, let me tell you! (They'll turn out to be something we [should] all know, of course...)

Still ten of mine to go, though. I'm happy to give more clues, but really, I'd expected someone to get no 10 by now - I thought it would be first to go!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:07:25 AM
Quote from: Manuel on September 04, 2007, 05:22:22 PM
Guys, you better keep Maciek away... He does the Midas thing...


everything he touches turns polish.

Manuel, that remark in brackets was meant for Guido only because he collects pieces for cello. But you're right - it's the sort of thing that should be kept to PMs - I'll delete it in a sec.

(And I promise to stay away now.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 05, 2007, 03:11:15 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:07:25 AM
Manuel, that remark in brackets was meant for Guido only because he collects pieces for cello. But you're right - it's the sort of thing that should be kept to PMs - I'll delete it in a sec.

(And I promise to stay away now.)


Please don't. I was only joking. (I should have added one of the  ;D or  :D... )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:16:38 AM
But I'm completely out of guesses anyway... :'(

(See, you should never trust me when I say "I promise"! ;D)

BTW, I promise: no more Polish music from me!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 04:09:06 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:18:13 AM
Excellent! That leaves only two of yours - and they're bloody hard, let me tell you! (They'll turn out to be something we [should] all know, of course...)

Still ten of mine to go, though. I'm happy to give more clues, but really, I'd expected someone to get no 10 by now - I thought it would be first to go!

That arpeggiation in the cellos suggests Philip Glass. But on the whole it doesn't look simple-minded enough to be Philip Glass.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 04:11:49 AM
Cellos?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 04:21:49 AM
I'm sorry that the instrument name here is not clear - I didn't intend that - but it is possible to work out what it is from its position in the score - that is to say, it is above something else - and you can make out some of the name further down the page. Also the type of music it is playing, and the notes themselves, suggest a particular instrument, though one aspect of the articulation is not common practice for this instrument. It's worth pointing out at this juncture that, whilst he was composing this piece, the composer was also engaged as a copyist working on, among other things, the most strikingly innovative parts of one of the two large orchestral works of the composer of my no 25. Got that?  ;D

Once you've determined what's going on here, surely the answer will come in seconds.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Neither are masterpieces, and not the composers best work (although I like one very much in deed), but I think that the composers are gettable from the scores, and as I say, once that has been got, there's only a limited number of pieces that each could be.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 04:49:20 AM
May I just add, for those who keep getting lost in this thread as I do, that Luke's unsolved pics are on page 18 (Reply #352). The regularly updated list of answers is in Reply #355 (same page).

Guido's unsolved pics are on page 20 (Reply #391).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:30:00 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 04:11:49 AM
Cellos?

No, not cellos. I assumed there were double basses below the staff with the arpeggiated G+ chord, and I carelessly didn't notice the two unpitched staves at the very bottom of some of the systems. Since one does not normally expect that at the bottom of a score, maybe these are percussion instruments. But I cannot make out any instrument names at all except one Trb.; all I can see are I-II-III-IV. It's cropped too tight at the left and too blurry to get any more.

Now let me think who was a copyist for Varèse when he was writing Amériques or Arcana, and frankly I don't know....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 05, 2007, 05:37:13 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:52:52 PM
He does have that effect  . . . .  :D
lol
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:39:58 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:30:00 AM
No, not cellos. I assumed there were double basses below the staff with the arpeggiated G+ chord, and I carelessly didn't notice the two unpitched staves at the very bottom of some of the systems. Since one does not normally expect that at the bottom of a score, maybe these are percussion instruments. But I cannot make out any instrument names at all except one Trb.; all I can see are I-II-III-IV. It's cropped too tight at the left and too blurry to get any more.

Now let me think who was a copyist for Varèse when he was writing Amériques or Arcana, and frankly I don't know....

Let me give a further hint - how many different pitches are each of I, II, III and IV - and V and VI - playing? What does this suggest, instrumentally?

And what does this conclusion suggest, in terms of what work this must be?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:41:53 AM
...oh, and it was Ameriques, btw, just fyi!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:44:04 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:39:58 AM
Let me give a further hint - how many different pitches are each of I, II, III and IV - and V and VI - playing? What does this suggest, instrumentally?

And what does this conclusion suggest, in terms of what work this must be?

The pitches suggest a whole lot of timpani - but the legato phrasing suggests otherwise.

I am wondering if this could be Colin McPhee, who studied with Varèse and was noted for his interest in gamelan. Maybe his supposedly best-known work, Tabuh-Tabuhan. But I've never heard it and would never get it from the score. (Of course, maybe if I saw the instrument designations ....  :D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:48:35 AM
That's what I meant when I said one aspect of the articulation notation was unusual. This composer tends to do things unconventionally, as the 18 timpani (and that mammoth brass section) suggest....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:50:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:48:35 AM
That's what I meant when I said one aspect of the articulation notation was unusual. This composer tends to do things unconventionally, as the 18 timpani (and that mammoth brass section) suggest....

Check my edited post.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:53:01 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:48:35 AM
That's what I meant when I said one aspect of the articulation notation was unusual. This composer tends to do things unconventionally, as the 18 timpani (and that mammoth brass section) suggest....

It can't be Berlioz!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:58:04 AM
No, it isn't, but this piece is in part indebted to the Berlioz Requiem, for the reasons you imply, and to Berlioz in general, for other reasons. It is also, however, indebted to many other composers, without ever being less than an entirely personal work.

Think big, Larry [or anyone else], very big.

and think of pieces you've not been fulsome in your praise of in the past.... ;D (though I'm pleased that on the evidence of the score you judge it 'not as simple-minded as Glass' - that's something, at least!  ;D ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:03:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 05:58:04 AM
No, it isn't, but this piece is in part indebted to the Berlioz Requiem, for the reasons you imply, and to Berlioz in general, for other reasons. It is also, however, indebted to many other composers, without ever being less than an entirely personal work.

Think big, Larry [or anyone else], very big.

and think of pieces you've not been fulsome in your praise of in the past.... ;D (though I'm pleased that on the evidence of the score you judge it 'not as simple-minded as Glass' - that's something, at least!  ;D ;D )

AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:04:10 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:03:41 AM
AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You actually bought a score to that thing?  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 06:06:03 AM
Yes I did. Well, it was a present, actually, when I was a teenager....

But I'm proud of it!

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 05:44:04 AM
(Of course, maybe if I saw the instrument designations ....  :D )

as far as that goes, all you need[ed] to know is that there's masses of everything. On this page, in addition to the six sets of three timps, there are 2 cornets, 12 trumpets, 11 trombones, 10 tubas....and two bass drums. That scale is reflected in the rest of the orchestra and in the piece's length.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 06:10:06 AM
Not H.B., Luke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:11:57 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 06:06:03 AM
Yes I did. Well, it was a present, actually, when I was a teenager....

But I'm proud of it!

as far as that goes, all you need[ed] to know is that there's masses of everything. On this page, in addition to the six sets of three timps, there are 2 cornets, 12 trumpets, 11 trombones, 10 tubas....and two bass drums. That scale is reflected in the rest of the orchestra and in the piece's length.

Well, I've been thinking of trading my Marco Polo CDs for the reissue on Naxos, just to save bloat room. But I can't bear the idea of coughing up $12 when I've already spent $25 on that gothic monstrosity . . .  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 06:14:50 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 06:10:06 AM
Not H.B., Luke?

I don't think he could have copied Ameriques - unless some paranormal element was involved... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:14:50 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 06:06:03 AM
Yes I did. Well, it was a present, actually, when I was a teenager....

But I'm proud of it!

as far as that goes, all you need[ed] to know is that there's masses of everything. On this page, in addition to the six sets of three timps, there are 2 cornets, 12 trumpets, 11 trombones, 10 tubas....and two bass drums. That scale is reflected in the rest of the orchestra and in the piece's length.

How many staves does he need to write it? 200?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:23:37 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 06:14:50 AM
I don't think he could have copied Ameriques - unless some paranormal element was involved... ;D

Google "havergal brian varèse" and read the first entry. I know I'm right!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 06:25:47 AM
Man, Maciek, I snooze, I lose!  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 06:29:49 AM
Ah, that H.B.!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 07:53:23 AM
I hope I didn't upset Luke too much by making fun of this beached whale glorious symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 08:43:28 AM
How about some more clues for the other ones, Luke? We're not really moving ahead... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 05, 2007, 08:44:11 AM
what's left? luke's stuff...... and?....
once that's all guessed, i'm posting my own stuff, ok?  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 08:46:34 AM
Greg, you're not supposed to tell us whose stuff it will be! 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
Nah, Larry, I just had to go out!

To confirm - Mr Rinkel is right - it is the HB Gothic

and Mr Rinkel is wrong - he underrates The Gothic terribly.  ;D

BTW, Larry,  - I'm not at all upset, as from my first posting of this example I was aware of your possible reaction! ;D  But, if you'll indulge me, and speaking purely musically, I've always been genuinely interested to know your criticisms of this piece - which is certainly very far from above criticism - because as you ought ot know by now, I value your insights. I suspect it is merely a matter of standards, and that mine are set rather lower than yours...

My own view on the quality of The Gothic is this, FWIW: It seems to me that works of this sort - extreme, late-Romantic, heaven-storming things of limitless ambition - call for a kind of spontaneity and even naivety on the part of the composer; something more calculating or more 'perfect' just wouldn't do, aesthetically, would strike a jarring note (that is part of the problem with Mahler 8, IMO). Brian's Gothic is flawed, seriously so, and not even the most ardent Brianite would deny it (Malcolm Macdonald, attempting a personal 'ranking' of the HB 32 places The Gothic aside at the very start, as he says it is far from Brian's finest piece but at the same time is his most important, essential one, his true masterpiece). But the flaws are necessary, are indeed part of the vision (as they are in much of my favourite music - Janacek, Ives....), and they make it a very human, brave document IMO.

Of course, if The Gothic were only flaws then it would be worth forgetting as quickly as possible, but to my mind, when it catches fire, as it does very often and for sustained periods of time, there is literally nothing like it. I have fallen out of love with Romantic music in the last few years, but to me works like this stand hors concours, above matters of style - the last five or ten minutes of The Gothic, from which my example comes, are unique, and uniquely powerful; to my mind more shattering than anything in Mahler etc. - and that is partly because they have obviously been through the fire (as Janacek would say) and are unmediated by smooth technique or calculating tricks of presentation.

oh, BTW, maximum staves in The Gothic score is something between 50 and 60 (I can't check because I'm not at home). Nothing too terrible - Ligeti is just as extreme, isn't he?  ???

However, this is somewhat off the subject of the thread...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 05, 2007, 08:52:36 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 08:46:34 AM
Greg, you're not supposed to tell us whose stuff it will be! 0:)
no, i didn't mean it like that lol
not the score I wrote, i just meant "some other scores" that i will post
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 08:56:19 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
Nah, Larry, I just had to go out!

To confirm - Mr Rinkel is right - it is the HB Gothic

Larry pre-empted me? Splendid!  Anyway, I'm pleased that I guessed right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:02:29 AM
I'm sorry to have dumbfounded you though - the discussion was going completely over my head, and I assumed you meant Berlioz. :-[

BTW, I've had the "Gothic" on my computer, ready to listen to, for quite a while now (thank you, Johan :D) - I guess it's time I finally listened to it... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:05:06 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 08:43:28 AM
How about some more clues for the other ones, Luke? We're not really moving ahead... :-\

More clues....

OK, I'll be specific to the particular examples, then. I expect them to start tumbling in the next few minutes, because some of these clues are pretty blatant... strikethrough = found

no 9 - this is the memorial one, with a solo guitar. I was wrong when I said it only had one recording; it has at least two. I got a CD by this composer in the post today, if that helps. ;D

no 13 - this is the American one whose title, and this specific moment, refer to works from Europe (Vienna, in fact). I have met this composer, if that helps.  He had a beard, but he didn't when he wrote this piece ;D

no 21 - this is the concert version of the film score. This composer is well known for his film scores, but equally for his concert work. He is often said to have been the first to apply the term minimalism to music.

no 25 - this is the one which is an attempt to conjure up a landscape/culture. Just look down the list of instruments and you'll find it. The composer does not come from that country, but he did work there for a while. He writes complex music, as you ought not need to be told.

no 27 - this piece has been mentioned in passing on another thread (composers board) in the last day or two. The composer appears to have two Christian names and no surname.

no 28 - this piece begins with a depicition of mass-murder-as-entertainment, Roman style.

no 29 - this piece, as Larry determined, is by Balakirev or Borodin. Surely you don't need more than that!

no 30 - I chose this, so you can guess who it is by.

no 34 - is by a composer who had a run in with a swan recently.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:07:51 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 08:56:19 AM
Larry pre-empted me? Splendid!  Anyway, I'm pleased that I guessed right.

Well, in context - given the clues he'd just been following, and his opinion of the piece, I'd say that, although not 100% specific

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:03:41 AM
AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 06:04:10 AM
You actually bought a score to that thing?  :D

suggest that he did guess the piece first!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:10:42 AM
I thought No. 21 could be Nyman but I still don't think I know the piece...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:13:34 AM
Drowning by Numbers??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:18:45 AM
Genius. Well done!!! The first movement, which deconstructs Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante, and quite beautifully, if I may say so as a non-Nyman-ite. He extracts all appogiature from a passage of the slow movement and simply repeats them all (three times each in the film score, varying numbers in the concert version....or the other way round). (Well, it's not quite that simple, but nearly). The result is actually very interesting, a sort of concentrated Mozart, all the most expressive moments compressed together, but under the cool an unemotional hand of a process - it's this dichotomy which makes the whole thing work.

The whole score to the film is based on this melody, BTW, but only this part quotes it directly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 09:23:30 AM
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77621.html#msg77621

Perfectly fair, all above board, and (as I say) my delight is unalloyed in all events :-)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 09:24:10 AM
Maciek, what is the Polish for "you are da man!"?  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:05:06 AM
no 27 - this piece has been mentioned in passing on another thread (composers board) in the last day or two. The composer appears to have two Christian names and no surname.

Could this be the post you mean?

Quote from: val on September 03, 2007, 12:08:57 AM
Great thread. Martin is one of the greatest composers of the century.

To me, his supreme masterpiece is the cycle of songs on Rilke's poems "Der Cornet", one of the most powerful and deeply touching cycle of Lieder I heard since Schubert. Lipovsek and Zagrosek are good, but I prefer the more subtle version of Jard van Nes and De Leeuw.

The cello concerto, from 1965, is another beautiful work.

Golgotha, in the tradition of Honegger's oratorios, with a more popular language, has very strong moments.

Other masterpieces of Frank Martin: Jedermann (with Fischer Dieskau!), the Requiem, the Mass for double choir and the Oratorio In Terra Pax, the 2nd piano concerto.

It is a pity but I never heard Le vin herbé.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:05:06 AM
no 34 - is by a composer who had a run in with a swan recently.

Would Resurrection (by Peter Maxwell Davies) be a legitimate guess?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 09:51:11 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
Nah, Larry, I just had to go out!

To confirm - Mr Rinkel is right - it is the HB Gothic

and Mr Rinkel is wrong - he underrates The Gothic terribly.  ;D

BTW, Larry,  - I'm not at all upset, as from my first posting of this example I was aware of your possible reaction! ;D  But, if you'll indulge me, and speaking purely musically, I've always been genuinely interested to know your criticisms of this piece - which is certainly very far from above criticism - because as you ought ot know by now, I value your insights. I suspect it is merely a matter of standards, and that mine are set rather lower than yours...

Nonsense! I have no standards at all.  :D

Unfortunately, I haven't heard it in several years, and like a bad dinner, it's a taste I'm trying to delete from my mouth permanently. Which means to answer you, I'd have to hear it all again, and if I were to hear it all again, I'd get the Naxos, and so you see my problem.

(But if anyone wants my copy of the Marco Polo, PM me.)

I'll look at more of the clues tonight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:49:33 AM
Would Resurrection (by Peter Maxwell Davies) be a legitimate guess?

Wagner? Tchaikovsky? (just joking.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:56:08 AM
 ;D

Quote from: karlhenning on September 05, 2007, 09:24:10 AM
Maciek, what is the Polish for "you are da man!"?  :D

Can't think of an adequate translation! Everything that comes to mind is either too plain or doesn't convey the same meaning... I'll think about it.

BTW, Luke, Nyman's Greenaway soundtracks are by far my favorites and I feel I know them pretty well but for some reason my mind was a blank on this one for very, very long... :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:18:22 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:35:03 AM
Could this be the post you mean?


Yes, it could indeed. We are getting somewhere now... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:19:13 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 09:49:33 AM
Would Resurrection (by Peter Maxwell Davies) be a legitimate guess?

You are on fire!  ;D

I take it my clues are a help, then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 05, 2007, 11:21:52 AM
I should pay more attention to this thread, but have been busy of late.

Luke, is your #9 Kurtag's Grabstein fur Stephan?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
Woohoo! Yes it is! Nice work.

Seeing as the list is getting completed nice and quickly now, here's an updated version to make things easier.


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 09:51:11 AM
Unfortunately, I haven't heard it in several years, and like a bad dinner, it's a taste I'm trying to delete from my mouth permanently. Which means to answer you, I'd have to hear it all again, and if I were to hear it all again, I'd get the Naxos, and so you see my problem.

I'm half tempted to put up a short sample of the end of the piece (including the page in my sample) just to refresh your memory! This is the part which I find uniquely impressive - the music, in these last minutes, starts to whirl out of control, oscillating ever more wildly between extremes of violent convulsion and passionate supplication, before the summatory final cadence (which encapsulates the tonal trajectory of the piece, enveloping a D major triad within an E major one before the later fades out alone). It has such conviction and so little artifice, it really strikes me as one of the most awesome moments in music.

Not sure if I'm allowed to do so, however...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 05, 2007, 11:31:06 AM
I think #30 is Janacek's Suite for Strings.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:37:01 AM
I think it is too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:29:06 AM
I'm half tempted to put up a short sample of the end of the piece (including the page in my sample) just to refresh your memory! This is the part which I find uniquely impressive - the music, in these last minutes, starts to whirl out of control, oscillating ever more wildly between extremes of violent convulsion and passionate supplication, before the summatory final cadence (which encapsulates the tonal trajectory of the piece, enveloping a D major triad within an E major one before the later fades out alone). It has such conviction and so little artifice, it really strikes me as one of the most awesome moments in music.

Not sure if I'm allowed to do so, however...

Sure, why not. Beats having to hear the whole thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:05:06 AM
no 25 - this is the one which is an attempt to conjure up a landscape/culture. Just look down the list of instruments and you'll find it. The composer does not come from that country, but he did work there for a while. He writes complex music, as you ought not need to be told.

Surely, you must mean no 24? The one with 2 didjeridoos. The hint doesn't work on me though - can't think of a single non-Australian's piece dedicated to Australian landscape... :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 09:05:06 AM
no 29 - this piece, as Larry determined, is by Balakirev or Borodin. Surely you don't need more than that!

Balakirev 1st Symphony, mvt 3 - Andante

Thank God I decided to start with Balakirev and this happened to be the 3rd track of the 1st disc I listened to - I could have been up all night doing this! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
Correct on the Balakirev. Nice piece, though, isn't it, if you like that sort of thing....?

Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:25:07 PM
Surely, you must mean no 24? The one with 2 didjeridoos. The hint doesn't work on me though - can't think of a single non-Australian's piece dedicated to Australian landscape... :-[

Oh, did I get the number wrong - sorry! Yes, the didj one, of course. Remember, as I've said, the composer writes complex music - and composers generally associated with the style I am trying heavy-handedly to imply are for the most part from a particular country not to far from where I am sitting now. Indeed, directly underneath me. One of them has written quite a few Australian-themed works, including this one for orchestra.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
(A shot in the dark:) Red Earth by Michael Finnissy?

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
Correct on the Balakirev. Nice piece, though, isn't it, if you like that sort of thing....?

Well, I generally like Balakirev, so I couldn't say "no"... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 12:53:48 PM
Sure, why not. Beats having to hear the whole thing.

OK, here we are. Three files, ripped at very low rate to keep them small, to follow on from each other.

The Gothic, as you know, is in two parts of three movements each, the second part being a setting of the Te Deum for massed choirs and an expanded orchestra. I mention this simply because, in my own mind, I hear another set of divisions on top of this one. Specifically, in the last movement, I sense a point where the music seems to ascend to another level of experience, as if it has pushed through a barrier by dint of sheer effort and courage ('Whoever strives with all his might, that man can we save' as the Symphony's Goethe motto has it) and attained a bizarre vision. This section, in my ears, starts with the peculiar march for massed clarinet-family, through the carefree diatonic material sung to 'la' (which includes the only place where practically everything is playing and the passionately, gravely beautiful bass solo. The whole section as I see it is rounded off by

mp3 1 - an unaccompanied double fugue for chorus in E minor - In te Domine speravi - whose opening contours (EGEB) echo those of the opening subject of the whole symphony (DFDA). This expression of faith, to my mind, closes off this level of the symphony, and opens on to another, the last one of all

mp3 2 - the 'faith' is assailed on all sides by massed brass and timps (my score example) - though even here the timps' material is based on EGEB. There are two waves of timps, the second more rigid and relentless than the first. After each wave the choir is reduced to a desparate rising 'non confundar'

mp3 3 - Several last climaxes put the seal on the symphony. In between come reminiscences of the timp EGEB, a hauntingly expressive cello cantilena which shares the augmented triad implications of so many melodies in the symphony's second part, a lone oboe.... finally, the choirs, alone, whisper 'non confundar in aeternum', their harmony summing up the symphonies main tonal dichotomy simply and beautifully - E major; E major+D major; E major.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:44:56 PM
(third Gothic file)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
(A shot in the dark:) Red Earth by Michael Finnissy?

Bullseye! Only two to go, now, I think.

And they ought to be relatively simple, I think. One is very well known indeed - I suspect most members here have heard it; the other will be known by all who are interested in contemporary music, I am sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:47:35 PM
Now that you've posted them - they are already hosted (on GMG). So this should work, let me try:

Luke's 'Gothic' sample no. 1
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4095[/mp3]

no. 2
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4096[/mp3]

no. 3
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4097[/mp3]

Just don't delete the attachments from your post above, and these should work.

Oops! Something is definitely wrong with the speed here... :-[

(Just downloaded one of the files and checked that they are fine. Anyone have an idea what is going on here?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:50:39 PM
A couple of caveats -

1) the recording itself is far from ideal, although it's tough to be picky when there's only this one to choose from. But compare what you hear with what you see in the sample I gave, and you'll get a measure of this.

2) my resampling at such a low rate has done it no favours, either!

Remember that the three files are supposed to follow one after the other.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 02:53:58 PM
Hey Luke - Maciek got my no.6 - Previn's cello sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 02:58:29 PM
OK
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:00:30 PM
That was brief! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 03:02:42 PM
I'm taking my inspiration from The Gothic this evening.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:05:47 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for that laugh. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:29:48 PM
No. 13
This is a complete shot in the dark - I know very little of the composer's music and not this particular piece. But it's worth a try (he's the only American composer I know you've met):
John Adams - Harmonielehre??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:29:48 PM
No. 13
This is a complete shot in the dark - I know very little of the composer's music and not this particular piece. But it's worth a try (he's the only American composer I know you've met):
John Adams - Harmonielehre??

You're absolutely right. I've heard the piece only a couple of times, but I have a score, and there it was on page 130. Now I'm embarrassed! (But I never knew Luke had met Adams.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 05, 2007, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 02:29:03 PM
Balakirev 1st Symphony, mvt 3 - Andante

A piece I don't know at all . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 04:27:27 PM
It's no masterpiece but nice romantic "Russian" music nonetheless.

Thanks for reassuring me about the Adams! Luke's comments about the beard put me off a bit. Does that mean it's an old piece? A new piece? What on earth is he trying to convey? ;D Now I feel obliged to seek out a recording... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 04:46:43 PM
What? Can it be? I've only noticed this now: has no one yet guessed the title of Guido's Piazzolla piece (no. 8 )? Why, it's the lovely Libertango! (Or, as the spell-checker would have it: The Libertine Tango. ;D) I have a recording in a completely different arrangement - didn't know there was a piano solo version.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 05, 2007, 05:19:23 PM
Here are the clues for my last two that still stand:

1 composer took American citizenship
1 composer is really only famous for one work (and maybe this could be said of the other too?)

So two more clues:

One composer was a mushroom connoisseur
Both composers often have religious or mystical themes to their works (though not in the specific pieces here, which perhaps throws one off the scent).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:06:48 PM
Good morning. Adams Harmonielehre is correct, as Larry has confirmed. The thing about me meeting him was not meant as a genuine clue, but it obviously functioned as one. ;D The work which stands behind this  particular page - the climax of the central movement - is Mahler 10, specifically the famous dissonant chord at its climax.


Quote from: Guido on September 05, 2007, 05:19:23 PM
Here are the clues for my last two that still stand:

1 composer took American citizenship
1 composer is really only famous for one work (and maybe this could be said of the other too?)

So two more clues:

One composer was a mushroom connoisseur
Both composers often have religious or mystical themes to their works (though not in the specific pieces here, which perhaps throws one off the scent).


Neither of Guido's - 15 and 17, if I have been keeping score correctly - look at all like Cage, the only mushroom connoisseur I can think of among composers! (I emphasize - Cage isn't even a tentative guess here, as he has nothing remotely like these piece in his worklist)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 05, 2007, 11:15:21 PM
Don't you geeks have anything better to do?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:19:27 PM
Morning Paul! Yes, to be honest I do..... ;D What about you?

Guido - Google tells me about Vaclev Halek, though - he seems much more of a possibility. I@m going to guess that one of your examples - no 17, let's say - is a cello sonata by him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 05, 2007, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 05, 2007, 11:19:27 PM
Morning Paul! Yes, to be honest I do..... ;D What about you?

My insult is a result of my jealousy. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 03:09:41 AM
Quote from: Michel on September 05, 2007, 11:15:21 PM
Don't you geeks have anything better to do?

Of course. We could be painting pictures using a computer, for one. But as I stated earlier, this kind of mutual testing of each other's knowledge serves as an excellent way to exercise all one's awareness of musical style, history, and even typography.

How about contributing a few scores yourself, or a few guesses?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 03:31:06 AM
No sorry Maciek. More famous than that. Neither are by really obscure composers. I feel guilty as neither are that exciting! (although I like one of them very much!).

17 is the mushroom connoisseur, the European who became an american (think of when and why that might have been), Often has overtly religious themes in his music. Look at the mood of the work, and the general nature of the writing.

15 is only really famous for one work. His music often had mystical themes. Look at the meter, and harmonic language.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 03:39:50 AM
That was Luke's guess!

"mushroom connoisseur", "European who became an American", "not really obscure"

Darn, those clues are teasing! It's at the back of my head somewhere - I feel I should know who you mean, there's a bell ringing - I just can't find it... :( ::) 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 03:43:32 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 06, 2007, 03:31:06 AM
No sorry Maciek. More famous than that. Neither are by really obscure composers. I feel guilty as neither are that exciting! (although I like one of them very much!).

17 is the mushroom connoisseur, the European who became an american (think of when and why that might have been), Often has overtly religious themes in his music. Look at the mood of the work, and the general nature of the writing.

I've tended to think this one is Eastern European, but have got no further yet.

Quote from: Guido on September 06, 2007, 03:31:06 AM
15 is only really famous for one work. His music often had mystical themes. Look at the meter, and harmonic language.

I had already looked at those, naturally, but suddenly I am veering towards Holst - is this Invocation in a piano-accompanied form?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 03:46:22 AM
OK, 17 may be by Bloch - I thought it looked a little like him, but my collection of his cello music doesn't have this piece IIRC. Google says that he was a mushroom hunter, though I had no idea about that.

I'm going to go through my various Bloch viola and violin CDs to see if this is a transcription - I recall you said one of your examples was..... bags the correct answer, though  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 06, 2007, 04:00:20 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 03:09:41 AM
Of course. We could be painting pictures using a computer, for one. But as I stated earlier, this kind of mutual testing of each other's knowledge serves as an excellent way to exercise all one's awareness of musical style, history, and even typography.

How about contributing a few scores yourself, or a few guesses?

I would if I wasn't a total philistine who doesn't own scores or understand a single line of music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 04:03:46 AM
Sorry Maciek!

But yes Luke - that is correct! This is the piece I am very fond of, despite (or because?) of it's limitations. It's a very beautiful piece and a very valuable addition to the otherwise small number of good miniatures for cello and orchestra. (Dvorak's Waldesruhe is another gem, and the Rondo is nice, and Faure's famous elegie of course, but there really are less than one would think. I'd like to commission some when I'm older! I'm very fond of John Williams' Heartwood for cello and orchestra too).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 04:04:59 AM
Correct on the Bloch too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:05:33 AM
OK, it's the Bloch Suite for Viola and Piano, in a cello arrangement.

I can't believe how stupid I was:

1) I thought it might be Bloch from quite early on but
2) I have the complete Bloch Cello + Piano music, and this isn't in it, but
3) Guido expressly said when he posted the piece that it is an arrangement from a viola work

and still I didn't make the connection.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2007, 04:07:03 AM
Finally! See not that exciting really. But well done. I wish I had some idea about yours. I'll look through your clues again. EDIT: oh I see they're mostly solved!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:13:44 AM
OK, only one left, and they are all done. Let's pile on the clues to my no 28:

- Part of last movement of a four movement piece, itself the last of a trilogy of four movement pieces

- All three are highly descriptive, perhaps a cross between impressionism and romanticism, and fabulously orchestrated, though their purely musical value is usually seen to be lesser

- All three are very famous, though this last one slightly less so (it is also slightly harder-focused)

- The composer had dubious politics

- The second piece of the trilogy includes a famous orchestral innovation; the number 6105 is a hint
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 04:20:16 AM
Respighi!!! (Feste Romane - Roman Festivals)

Egad! That "Roman" clue of yours was so obvious! (Slapping my forehead real hard!)

I have 5 new ones ready from my limited library but I'm thinking of leaving them for the evening when Larry is also around...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:28:21 AM
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2545229/2/istockphoto_2545229_party_dog.jpg)

CORRECT!!!

To be precise, this is the imitation of a barrel-organ in the La Befana (Christmas in the Piazza Navona) movement - wonderfully achieved I think

All done!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:30:15 AM
THE COMPLETED LIST!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 04:30:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:28:21 AM
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2545229/2/istockphoto_2545229_party_dog.jpg)

CORRECT!!!

If not for the satisfaction, it was worth it for that wonderful prize. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:07:25 AM
Quote from: Maciek
If not for the satisfaction, it was worth it for that wonderful prize. ;D

What amazes me is that, while some of those pieces are ones I've heard several times (Respighi, Adams), if a page is taken out of context and I can't place it, I'm completely lost. But no excuses! On the whole, I guessed my fair share.

Don't think this is over, however. When I get home tonight, count on another dozen or so from me - and some of them harder yet!  >:D

And now for the statistics. Out of 111 actual pieces, the following number of correct guesses were made by:

Luke - 44
Moi - 27
Mark, Maciek - 15 each
Guido - 4
Edward, Novitiate - 3 each
Karl - 2
CS, Greg, and the late M Forever - 1 each (not counting 4 "reveals" from Greg).

Luke wins the grand prize - a link to the official Havergal Brian Website!
Keep up the good work, guys!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:38:54 AM
I accept that link with gratitude (though I already had it)

[po-faced mode on] I don't want to think of this as a contest, mind you - not given the number of variables. For instance, Larry set more questions than anyone else, and so was excluded from answering more than anyone else. And of course, the nature of the forum mitigates against serious competition - we are all on at different times, and so will see questions appear at different times. I know that I would have got Sean's first 7 instantly, having played all of them many times; Larry's first 6 too - but I was in France and missed the first few pages of the thread; likewise, Larry (I think) missed my giveaway clues last night, and Guido's this morning. Even things like connection speed have to be taken into consideration - there were two or three which I answered only to find that someone else beat me to it by seconds, my sluggish dial-up being partly to blame, perhaps! [/po-faced mode on]

My point being - for me, the fun is in the chase, not in competing.

Therefore, I too will be preparing some harder ones tonight, time permitting.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 05:53:57 AM
Well done, lads!

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:38:54 AM
My point being - for me, the fun is in the chase, not in competing.

Likewise :-)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:58:44 AM
Come on Karl - put up some scores. You know you want to!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 06:09:16 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 04:30:15 AM
THE COMPLETED LIST!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)


Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)


Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)

completed lists are so beautiful........
it's just so disturbing that it's physically impossible to make out with one  :'(



Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:07:25 AM
What amazes me is that, while some of those pieces are ones I've heard several times (Respighi, Adams), if a page is taken out of context and I can't place it, I'm completely lost. But no excuses! On the whole, I guessed my fair share.

Don't think this is over, however. When I get home tonight, count on another dozen or so from me - and some of them harder yet!  >:D

And now for the statistics. Out of 111 actual pieces, the following number of correct guesses were made by:

Luke - 44
Moi - 27
Mark, Maciek - 15 each
Guido - 4
Edward, Novitiate - 3 each
Karl - 2
CS, Greg, and the late M Forever - 1 each (not counting 4 "reveals" from Greg).

Luke wins the grand prize - a link to the official Havergal Brian Website!
Keep up the good work, guys!  :D
oh, you watch, when i get older and have a huge library of scores (especially modern ones) i'm going to be up there with Luke  ;)
congratulations to Luke, btw

Maciek, i've had the same problem with sound files playing too fast before- it was when i was using a player from this one website to play music on my myspace page. I put up my Electric Guitar performance of Paganini's 16th caprice and it played it way too fast, all of the less than 2 min. of music played in about 20 seconds, repeated in a loop. The only thing I did different with it was that I converted my sound file to mp3 using an audio program (before it was wav). But if you get something from a CD (originally WAV) rip the files to your computer (as Mp3) there was no problems with the playback. You didn't use an audio program to convert it from wav to mp3, did you?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 06:21:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 05:58:44 AM
Come on Karl - put up some scores. You know you want to!

I might be able to see to this Saturday-ish.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 06:27:21 AM
ok, i'm putting up 10 scores next! gimme about 20-30 minutes, though
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:09:38 AM
g11-14
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:10:48 AM
g15-16
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:11:42 AM
g17-18
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:12:27 AM
g19
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:12:52 AM
g20
have fun!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 07:29:37 AM
g14 is the Scene at the Brook from L'histoire du soldat
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 07:29:49 AM
G13 is one of those middle-period Webern things for voice and clarinets, probably op. 15 IIRC.

G14 is from Stravinsky's L'Histoire du Soldat.

Some others look familiar but I'll have to think harder.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 07:31:32 AM
Quote from: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:12:52 AM
g20
have fun!  ;)

Don't reveal your answers too soon - make us sweat!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 07:32:48 AM
g13 is the first of the Five Canons of Webern's Opus 16
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:37:44 AM
ah, close, Larry, but i'll have to give Karl both of them (g13 and g14)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
Quote from: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:37:44 AM
ah, close, Larry, but i'll have to give Karl both of them (g13 and g14)

Is there actually a Scene at the Brook from Histoire? I can't remember! :D (I think it's one of my least favorite Stravinsky works.)

G12 looks like it's from near the ending of Carter's Concerto for Orchestra, though I'm not home now to check.

G16 with its looney Ferneyhough-like rhythms could be from Lemma-Icon-Epigram.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 08:04:49 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
Is there actually a Scene at the Brook from Histoire? I can't remember! :D (I think it's one of my least favorite Stravinsky works.)

Scene ii, the soldier plays his fiddle by the brook.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:08:14 AM
Darnation - turned up too late. I'd have got the Webern and Strav....

On my dial-up these are taking ages to load, so for now....

Is 11 Cage?

I'm going to guess at Rihm for no 15

16 is Lemma-Icon-Epigram (Ferneyhough) - can tell just by those familiar first tuplets as they appear on the screen (my much cherished first-ever 'New COmplexity' score, bought in Prague)

**** this dial-up = Larry's guessed the Ferneyhough too!! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:10:33 AM
The problem seems to be Greg's you tube signature slowing the page down from loading! Spare a thought for those of us in the dark ages, Greg!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:44:15 AM
A shot in the dark on no 15 - Rihm - Ungemaltes Bild

Can't say I didn't try.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 06, 2007, 09:34:47 AM
Why the hell are you still on Dial up? Do some parts of Cambridge have the technology of rural Mongolia?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 09:36:07 AM
We're talkin' The Strip in Ulan Bator.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: Michel on September 06, 2007, 09:34:47 AM
Why the hell are you still on Dial up? Do some parts of Cambridge have the technology of rural Mongolia?

I'm not in Cambridge anymore, Toto.

However, even in rural Norfolk we do have broadband. Just not in my house for some reason

(Laziness)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:04:45 AM
Anyone up for more?

no 35 - an easy one, methinks
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 06, 2007, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: greg on September 06, 2007, 07:10:48 AM
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3125.0;attach=4121;image)

Why would pianists want to play something that looks that awful?

Manuel.2
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:08:34 AM
No 36 - ditto

no 37 - not exactly a composition, this

More in a few minutes....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 06, 2007, 10:11:27 AM
LO35 is Britten, the closing part to Nocturnal Op.70.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Michel on September 06, 2007, 10:12:07 AM
Is Camrbidge in Norfolk? i thought it was was. I couldn't actually remember if you lived in Norfolk or East Anglia, so I went with Cambridge : /
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
no 38 - composer's style quite evident, but piece harder

no 39 - easiest of the lot
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:23:27 AM
no 40 - style very clear on this one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:26:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:08:14 AM
Is 11 Cage?

I'm going to guess at Rihm for no 15

both are close in time period/style, but it's not them


Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 08:08:14 AM
16 is Lemma-Icon-Epigram (Ferneyhough) - can tell just by those familiar first tuplets as they appear on the screen (my much cherished first-ever 'New COmplexity' score, bought in Prague)

**** this dial-up = Larry's guessed the Ferneyhough too!! ;D
yep, and Larry gets that one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 10:31:06 AM
Is it just me (limited knowledge and generally a "limited" person) or is this round much harder than the previous one? 0:)

I'll upload mine in a sec.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 10:35:15 AM
Quote from: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:26:31 AM
both are close in time period/style, but it's not them

yep, and Larry gets that one

What about my guess on the Carter Concerto for Orchestra?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 10:35:15 AM
What about my guess on the Carter Concerto for Orchestra?
nope, though i can see why you guessed that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 10:40:46 AM
Here's a modest selection
From my modest collection.
Make a guess - be my guest!
When you're done, take a rest.

(Nobel Prize, here I come! >:D)

(Guess what subject I'm covering in my thesis right now. :P)

[EDIT: I've moved the pictures to Reply #559, several posts below on this page]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 10:42:58 AM
Here are the other two.

As for clues: you know which direction to go. ;)

Greg, do put your signature on a diet!

[EDIT: pictures moved to Reply #559 - that's several posts down from here]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:48:46 AM
no 41 - a clue makes this one easy too - I'm too kind.

no 42 - no need to say anything
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:53:17 AM
mm8- Penderecki String Quartet #1?

where's 41 and 42, Luke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:56:40 AM
No 43 has two composers. Either will do

No 44

No 45

No 46
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:58:10 AM
mm10- Penderecki String Trio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:02:40 AM
No 47

No 48

No 49
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:03:49 AM
Something going wrong here. I'll try again later. Maciek's scores are also loading very slowly - I've hardly seen a note of them yet... ???

Edit - my scores are all up now, though Maciek and Greg's pages are still loading much slower for some reason.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Michel on September 06, 2007, 10:12:07 AM
Is Camrbidge in Norfolk? i thought it was was. I couldn't actually remember if you lived in Norfolk or East Anglia, so I went with Cambridge : /

Cambridge is a town. It is the county town of Cambridgeshire, which is named after Cambridge, which is named after a river, the Cam, and a bridge over it. Subtle, huh? I used to live there; Guido lives there at the moment.

Norfolk is a county. Its county town is Norwich. I live in Norfolk now.

Both Norfolk and Cambridgeshire are in East Anglia, which is a region.

Clear now? ;) ;) ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: Manuel on September 06, 2007, 10:11:27 AM
LO35 is Britten, the closing part to Nocturnal Op.70.

You got it. Based on which other piece? - this page quotes it note for note.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 11:58:36 AM
Before Guido gets here, I'd better go for Maciek's no 9 - Chopin Cello Sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 12:05:03 PM
I'm grateful that 43 is so easy, Luke!  ;)

György Kurtág, Játékok
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:08:13 PM
Here are mine once again - tell me if these load quicker. If they do, I'll delete the earlier attachments. If they don't, I'll delete this post.

MM06
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM06.jpg)

MM07 Luke got this one: it's from the Piano Quintet by Juliusz Zarebski
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM07.jpg)

MM08
Greg guessed it - it's Penderecki's 1st SQ
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM08.jpg)

MM09
Yep, Luke snatched it before Guido got here (sorry, Guido, it was intended for you to guess but I was aware that Luke would be a contender... - and he's on dial-up, so he deserved it ;D). It's Chopin's Cello Sonata - the final bars.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM09.jpg)

MM10
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM10.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 12:09:41 PM
And it was a tease, Luke, that you did not white out one of the composers' names! -- Krisztina Takács  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: greg on September 06, 2007, 10:58:10 AM
mm10- Penderecki String Trio?

Nope. I'm going by the one-piece-per-composer rule. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:17:16 PM
LO 42: Harry Partch CASTOR & POLLUX
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:19:34 PM
Could LO45 by any chance be Tom Johnson's Failing??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:19:34 PM
Could LO45 by any chance be Tom Johnson's Failing??

All I know is that I'm failing to recognize any of these new ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:31:54 PM
I think Luke dug real deep this time. ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 12:33:41 PM
No kidding, Maciek! I'm just pleased that I lit on the Kurtág.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 12:09:41 PM
And it was a tease, Luke, that you did not white out one of the composers' names! -- Krisztina Takács  ;)

Had to throw you a bone.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:31:54 PM
I think Luke dug real deep this time. ::)

Not really. I've tried to choose interesting/clue-filled/individual ones - I hope they are.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:49:16 PM
Shall I start up a new list, to be added to by the bucketload no doubt?

I may have missed some already identified...

Set by Greg 2:
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Manuel 2:
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
Manuel hasn't confirmed this one yet, but I'm fairly sure, so I'll leave it like this for now...

Set by Luke 2:
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)

Set by Maciek 2:
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Larry 2:
38 aka 41 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:52:59 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:31:54 PM
I think Luke dug real deep this time. ::)

FWIW, I think 46, 47 and 49 are the hardest of mine; the others are guessable or findable, I think, but these ones will probably need clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:55:19 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:49:16 PM
45 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)

So I guess it's not Failing, eh? :-\

Oh, and Luke, I've moved all of mine here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087).

BTW, I'm not criticizing you (or Greg, or myself ;D)! I like the difficult ones - it gives are equal chances when everyone has to guess. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:00:20 PM
OK, I'll deal with it. [that was before your edit - I meant I'll deal with the new link!]

In the meantime, your no 7 is Zarebski's Piano Quintet, I believe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 01:00:57 PM
 :D That one was for you especially! 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
Sorry I didn't get it straight away - I'm beginning to assume I won't know things, so not looking properly. That'll teach me! (Also spending too long getting my scores up, and the post of links above)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:55:19 PM
So I guess it's not Failing, eh? :-\

No it's not, but it is a piece by a composer one of whose pieces has already been used on this thread, though not by me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 01:07:48 PM
Mine are clearly too easy. :P ;D But I'm not complaining. 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 01:10:42 PM
Is your first one one of the Schnittke Quartets, by any chance? Print style and canonic nature tend to make my thoughts go that way....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 01:13:09 PM
In a way, that is a bit close - though if I told you the connection I see, you'd probably laugh in my face. (Ask me when it's finally guessed.)

But no, it's not Schnittke.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 02:15:28 PM
Greg 18 - Shostakovich Violin Concerto 1, third movement passacaglia
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 02:29:12 PM
No, no, no, NO! This can't be! How could I have missed my FAVORITE movement of my FAVORITE violin concerto! ARGH!!!!!! :( :( :(

(walks away, tearing at his own hair)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 06, 2007, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 02:15:28 PM
Greg 18 - Shostakovich Violin Concerto 1, third movement passacaglia
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 02:29:12 PM
No, no, no, NO! This can't be! How could I have missed my FAVORITE movement of my FAVORITE violin concerto! ARGH!!!!!! :( :( :(

(walks away, tearing at his own hair)
awwwwwwww too sad  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:34:38 PM
A few more to tide you over before the weekend onslaught:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:35:20 PM
Only two more for now:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:03:46 PM
42 is [towards] the end of the Credo from Machaut's Mass - and it never fails too amaze, does it?

As for your others.....more thought required!  ??? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
44 - well, maybe this is a trick question, but Beethoven's op 100 is a duet called Merkenstein, so I'll opt for that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 03:50:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:03:46 PM
42 is [towards] the end of the Credo from Machaut's Mass - and it never fails too amaze, does it?

As for your others.....more thought required!  ??? ???

Machaut Mass correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 03:51:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
44 - well, maybe this is a trick question, but Beethoven's op 100 is a duet called Merkenstein, so I'll opt for that.

It has my nomination for the single silliest thing Beethoven ever wrote.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 03:57:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:03:46 PM
42 is [towards] the end of the Credo from Machaut's Mass - and it never fails too amaze, does it?

As for your others.....more thought required!  ??? ???

It may help to get the tempo for 41: Adagio, 8/8, quaver/eighth = 54-60.

The tempo for the other is blazingly fast.

Both are by American composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 05:51:02 AM
Will it be any sort of clue if I mention that my remaining two are by 20th century Polish composers? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 07, 2007, 05:54:36 AM
That was unexpected!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 06:29:16 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 05:51:02 AM
Will it be any sort of clue if I mention that my remaining two are by 20th century Polish composers? ;D

No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 01:49:08 PM
OK then. Here's another one: they are both still alive now, in the 21st century.

One of them lives abroad (outside Poland).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 02:16:53 PM
Manuel 2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On (North American Ballads). The specifics of that improvisation, and other details, suggest Rzewski strongly, but I needed to do a little searching through my box set.... (Google helped, too, to be honest)

If I'm right, that's two Rzewski pieces so far, maybe more to come....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on September 07, 2007, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 05:51:02 AM
Will it be any sort of clue if I mention that my remaining two are by 20th century Polish composers? ;D

Exceptionally helpful, thx ........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 02:40:54 PM
OK, D Minor, here's one more, especially for you. And if this doesn't help you, I don't know what will:

1 of the pieces is for string quartet, 1 of the pieces is for string trio

:P

;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 03:07:39 PM
I can't seem to load the picture of no 10, and I can't remember it at all, so this is merely a semi-educated guess: Krzysztof Meyer's String Trio? He's alive, and he's Polish, and he lives abroad, and he's written a String Trio, and you've talked about him....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
He, he, he. I knew pointing out that it's for a string trio would get you guys going. ;D

In a way, Luke, you're getting warmer...

So here are 2 more hints: the piece for string trio is not entitled String Trio. And it is not by Krzysztof Meyer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 03:20:47 PM
Is anyone trying mine? I have to say, I expected some of them - 36, 39, 40 and 41 to go very quickly. Look at them closely, guys!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 03:20:47 PM
Is anyone trying mine? I have to say, I expected some of them - 36, 39, 40 and 41 to go very quickly. Look at them closely, guys!

Believe me, I'm trying, but the only ones I'm finding easy are mine (including the two unguessed ones).  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2007, 04:14:34 PM
Yep, mine unguessed ones are real easy too. :P ;) Especially the second one - it's by (warning: hint ahead) a really, really, really "famous" composer. One that has been featured on this thread before too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:18:01 PM
With the ones I just mentioned of mine, (except the graphic score which is the locus classicus of its type), I think looking at the instrumentation carefully would be a big help; also the type of textures to which it is put. 40 and 41 are very idiomatic indeed; 36 less so, but it is an extremely well-known piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 04:23:05 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:18:01 PM
With the ones I just mentioned of mine, (except the graphic score which is the locus classicus of its type), I think looking at the instrumentation carefully would be a big help; also the type of textures to which it is put. 40 and 41 are very idiomatic indeed; 36 less so, but it is an extremely well-known piece

Luke 36 looks so close to Boulez's Rituel in Memoriam Bruno Maderna, except that the typography looks more like an autograph score than the engraved one I have. But if it's not Rituel, it's its twin brother!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:25:27 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 04:23:05 PM
Luke 36 looks so close to Boulez's Rituel in Memoriam Bruno Maderna, except that the typography looks more like an autograph score than the engraved one I have. But if it's not Rituel, it's its twin brother!

There you go - told you it was quite a simple one! One more to Larry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:25:27 PM
There you go - told you it was quite a simple one! One more to Larry.

Yeah, I get the simple ones!  :P

But how did you get that score? what page number is it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:32:35 PM
I downloaded it from a friend who has the finest score collection I know of (at least in certain directions - he doesn't have any of the central repertoire, but what he does have outside it takes your breath away). It is page 21, IIRC, but that includes title page, orchestral layout page etc. etc.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 07, 2007, 05:04:47 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 04:32:35 PM
I downloaded it from a friend who has the finest score collection I know of (at least in certain directions - he doesn't have any of the central repertoire, but what he does have outside it takes your breath away). It is page 21, IIRC, but that includes title page, orchestral layout page etc. etc.

Part of what threw me at first was that your score looks handwritten, and the page numbers don't match mine. The engraved UE 15 941 has this music mostly on page 19, but there are discrepancies - e.g., what is a 6/8 measure for the oboe in group I is 6/4 in the UE score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2007, 10:39:17 PM
Just checked - the page in question is number 21 of the scanned pages my friend sent me, which includes title pages etc., but as far as numbered pages go, it is number 17. The score itself is a UE score, though - obviously a different edition of the piece than yours, however. The bottom of the first page of music gives the date 1975, and the UE number 15941 LW. Apart from the music itself, most of the score - title, introductory notes etc. - is in the easily identifiable UE typeface
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 04:02:13 AM
First a question - normally it would be addressed to Sean as the thread starter. But now that he has bailed out, it's left to the other users of this topic: don't you feel that perhaps this should be moved to the "Composing and Performing" section of the Music Room? Scores are, in a way, "technical" and less "general" than most other subjects started in the "General Classical Music Discussion" section. Somehow I feel this thread fits the general atmosphere of "Composing and Performing" better (besides - that's one of the smallest sections on GMG, it's always good to throw in another topic ;D). Also, the "Composing and Performing" section is much "slower" - so it would be always easy to find this topic (it wouldn't get "buried" by others easily). Please let me know your thoughts on this.

And now for some additional clues to mine:

while recording another piece by one of the composers, a certain soprano decided to take cash instead of royalties, and in effect missed out on a substantial income

one of the pieces is a part of a 3-part cycle; each part of that cycle is for an entirely different set of instruments

the composer of one of the pieces has written at least 11 other pieces of a similar kind

one of the pieces received an accolade at the UNESCO Rostrum

one of the pieces has a generic title

one of the pieces is not representative of the composer's current style
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:08:58 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
no 38 - composer's style quite evident, but piece harder

no 39 - easiest of the lot

Desperate guesses by this point:

38 Ravel?
39 Cage?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:12:58 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 04:02:13 AM
First a question - normally it would be addressed to Sean as the thread starter. But now that he has bailed out, it's left to the other users of this topic: don't you feel that perhaps this should be moved to the "Composing and Performing" section of the Music Room? Scores are, in a way, "technical" and less "general" than most other subjects started in the "General Classical Music Discussion" section. Somehow I feel this thread fits the general atmosphere of "Composing and Performing" better (besides - that's one of the smallest sections on GMG, it's always good to throw in another topic ;D). Also, the "Composing and Performing" section is much "slower" - so it would be always easy to find this topic (it wouldn't get "buried" by others easily). Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Not important to me either way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:44:52 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:08:58 AM
Desperate guesses by this point:

38 Ravel?
39 Cage?

Neither, I'm afraid. But I know you can get both. 38 is an extremely dense, almost overloaded score, typical of this composer; the language set ought to help very much. Though the song itself is rather obscure, once you know the composer an internet search ought to find it - after all, that's where I got the score myself

39, as I said, is a page from the graphic score to end all graphic scores - the most famous and notorious, I think. It's composer - a controversial figure to say the least - was at the time earning his keep as a graphic designer, which perhaps shows in the score, which is a thing of beauty throughout its many pages (this one is page 183). A clue which will really help you - my father used to be a colleague of this composer's partner (though the composer himself is now dead, which is another story)

I am still positive that 40 and 41 are easily findable. In 40, it is not just the instruments but the way they are juxtaposed which is (in my experience) unique to this composer.

In 41, the music is stylistically extremely typical, but more than that, the instrumentation contains a big clue (you have to look carefully)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:58:00 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 04:02:13 AM

And now for some additional clues to mine:

while recording another piece by one of the composers, a certain soprano decided to take cash instead of royalties, and in effect missed out on a substantial income

one of the pieces is a part of a 3-part cycle; each part of that cycle is for an entirely different set of instruments

the composer of one of the pieces has written at least 11 other pieces of a similar kind

one of the pieces received an accolade at the UNESCO Rostrum

one of the pieces has a generic title

one of the pieces is not representative of the composer's current style

OK, so we're saying one of them is Gorecki, are we? Following your generous clues a little......

Genesis I for string trio - the first of a cycle of three pieces, each for a different group of instruments. And it isn't representative of the composer's current style.

And the UNESCO thing must have a generic title - String Quartet, then! - and goes with the 11 other string quartets thing....this one is Meyer (you are right, I was getting warm before!). His 11th Quartet is his op 95, and two of his quartets have represented Poland at the Unesco rostrum.....so, this must be either String Quartet 2 or 3

I'm guessing no 2; if it's wrong, can we take my guess at no 3 as read?  ;D  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:59:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:44:52 AM
Neither, I'm afraid. But I know you can get both. 38 is an extremely dense, almost overloaded score, typical of this composer; the language set ought to help very much. Though the song itself is rather obscure, once you know the composer an internet search ought to find it - after all, that's where I got the score myself

Unfortunately the image is so hard to read I can't even make out the language for sure. I see the word "nostro" at one point, but then I see "zvon," so it can't be Italian.

Maybe it will come to me. After all, I got some others in time.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:01:16 AM
(As you can tell by now, I've decided not to be coy about using Google any more, as I was before with Larry's famous no 20, the first one I used it for! As these questions get harder, we need all the help we can get!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:04:10 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:59:39 AM
Unfortunately the image is so hard to read I can't even make out the language for sure. I see the word "nostro" at one point, but then I see "zvon," so it can't be Italian.

Maybe it will come to me. After all, I got some others in time.

I suppose it is easier if you know what language it is already! But your instincts are good - it is a Romance language, but not one of the more obvious ones. Personally, I think it is clearest on the last line.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:06:43 AM
Luke, you should be a detective (or did I give too many clues in one go?)! Yes, the one for trio is Henryk Mikolaj Gorecki's Genesis I (Elementi per tre archi). And yes, the other one is a String Quartet by Krzysztof Meyer. And, yes, it is the String Quartet No....... 3. :P

As for the connection between Schnittke and Meyer: 2 Slavic composers with German surnames. ;D ;D I'm sure you can appreciate the humor. 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:10:10 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:06:43 AM
Luke, you should be a detective (or did I give too many clues in one go?)!

No, I think you gave just the right number  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 05:16:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:04:10 AM
I suppose it is easier if you know what language it is already! But your instincts are good - it is a Romance language, but not one of the more obvious ones. Personally, I think it is clearest on the last line.

(More desperate yet:)
Romanian? Enescu?

Earle Brown for your graphic notation?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:19:32 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 05:16:41 AM
(More desperate yet:)
Romanian? Enescu?

Yes! The score isn't in IMSLP, though they do have drool-worthy amounts of Enescu. However, it is online (JPEGs of each page) somewhere... the scanned copy belongs to contemporary Romanian composer Iancu Dumitrescu, which fact may well help if you wish to search for it.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 05:16:41 AMEarle Brown for your graphic notation?

No, this composer is more controversial. Also, remember my slight familial connection - blatant clue as to nationality!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 05:23:59 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:19:32 AM
Yes! The score isn't in IMSLP, but it is online somewhere...

No, this composer is more controversial. Also, remember my slight familial connection - blatant clue as to nationality!

Dutch, then. So I need a deceased Dutch composer who was also a graphic designer. I have no idea!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:26:38 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 05:23:59 AM
Dutch, then. So I need a deceased Dutch composer who was also a graphic designer. I have no idea!

Sorry - needlessly sent you down a blind alley. My father has lived in Britain since he was 9
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:27:11 AM
I've been looking through Enescu scores available on-line for the past 20 minutes or so (therefore missing out on the discussion a bit) and it seems that the only vocal piece he's ever written to a Romanian text was "Eu ma duc, codrul ramane"...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:34:33 AM
RE the graphic score: Cornelius Cardew ??? ???

Throwing in a guess at the title: Treatise?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:35:29 AM
Re the Enescu - Seems, perhaps, but isn't. That one isn't that song. However, he set the text in a Romanian translation (by Emanoil Ciomac) of a poem by (French poet) Fernand Gregh. I have no idea if this is a give-away clue or not. If it isn't, I'd follow the Dumitrescu line of investigation instead. I've just found the score again myself by following links...

Re the other - yes, Cardew is right, so the piece is.........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:40:09 AM
Enescu has got to be one of the Quatre Mélodies op.19? I'll try to narrow it down to one song... ::)

Cardew title - I've added my guess above.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:42:06 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:40:09 AM
Enescu has got to be one of the Quatre Mélodies op.19? I'll try to narrow it down to one song... ::)

I don't know - the score doesn't say so. You are three or four clicks away if you plump Dumitrescu into Google.

Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:40:09 AMCardew title - I've added my guess above.

I already had the list updated ready to post - I knew it wouldn't be hard once you had the name!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:44:30 AM
And here, moved to a more convenient place, is the list as it currently stands:
MYSTERY SCORES ROUND TWO
Set by Greg 2:
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Manuel 2:
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)

Set by Luke 2:
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)

Set by Maciek 2:
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Larry 2:
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:50:22 AM
I'm guessing it's De la flûte au cor.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 06:04:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 05:26:38 AM
Sorry - needlessly sent you down a blind alley. My father has lived in Britain since he was 9

That does make a difference!  :D

More clues for mine:
One is by a composer whose work was admired by Stravinsky, who was close friends in his youth with a famous American composer-conductor who recorded this piece at the start of his career, and who gradually gave up on his composing because he was unwilling to adopt a 12-tone idiom.

The other is by a composer who is a year younger than I, who was a freshman composition major at the same midwestern American conservatory where I was a sophomore. I, however, gave up on composition while he became a fairly well-known name.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 07:40:23 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 05:50:22 AM
I'm guessing it's De la flûte au cor.

No. You were right before ( I had to check in Noel Malcolm's book for clarification) - I think this is from op 19, in translation, though it's hard to be sure. You just have to guess which one of the three (not four - De la flute au cor got into the modern edition by mistake apparently) it is. Or to know the answer, obviously.... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 10:57:34 AM
It was included into op. 19 10 years after the composers death but the Enescu Society lists that as a completely legitimate edition.

Here's another shot (your internet search clues don't seem to be working for me, and this is apparently a very rare score ::)):
Le Silence musicien?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 10:57:34 AM
It was included into op. 19 10 years after the composers death but the Enescu Society lists that as a completely legitimate edition.

Apparently it was composed 13/14 years earlier than the other 3; Malcolm calls its inclusion in the 1965 and 67 editions a mistake, and the work's title Trois Melodies sur Poemes de Fernand Gregh had to be altered to Quatre Melodies.... It sounds as if the edition itself is legitimate - these are four songs setting Gregh's words - but the inclusion of an earlier one under an opus number set aside for later ones isn't authentic, because if Enescu had wanted it included he could have done so. In addition, according to Malcolm the style of of the three later songs is something new for the composer, and for this reason too the earlier one does not belong.

Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 10:57:34 AMHere's another shot (your internet search clues don't seem to be working for me, and this is apparently a very rare score ::)):
Le Silence musicien?

I think so, yes. The site I downloaded it from (here (http://www.geocities.com/romanianscores/enesculied1.html) is the score) translates the title as Quiet Song; the Romanian title is Cînt Tăcut. These look close enough for me to assume you have the right answer, though there is no opus number on the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
Thanks for the link - can't imagine how you found it. ;D

The title of the page is "Quiet Song" (in English), so I guess that could very well be (a pretty rough) French to Romanian to English translation of "Le Silence musicien". We could ask Florestan to tell us the details - but I'm not sure if understanding the text will help (since it seems Gregh's French poems are nowhere to be found on-line)... And I for one am not that curious about this. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 12:30:16 PM
Nor am I! - you now know as much as I do about the song, and I suppose that is all we could ask for the purposes of the quiz!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 01:24:58 PM
I get the feeling I ought to chip in with a few more clues to my remaining questions

37 - this is not, in itself, AFAIK, a composition, though it looks like one and could function as one. It contains three long and complex musical lines which form the basis for a much larger set of compositions. This method of composing is typical of this composer.

38 - I'm sure I've said all that needs to be said about this one: the instruments, the character of what they play, and their juxtapositions are completely characteristic of this composer and of no-one else that I can think of offhand

41 - ditto this one. I am reluctant to give more clues than the one I have: look carefully at the instruments

44 - instrument; country; character of melodic lines; possible composers reduce to a very small number

45 - we've had compositions by this composer posted already on this thread, though nothing like this piece. The name of the work is included in the text on this page.

46 - this is quite a hard one

47 - this one is almost impossible, I freely admit, so here are lots of clues. The composer is my old fugue teacher; he used to turn up to supervisions looking bedraggled in suspiciously stained concert-clothes from the previous night; he became a member of GMG's last incarnation for one post; he is an exceptional pianist specialising in the complex end of the contemporary repertoire (Ferneyhough, Finnissy, DIllon etc. etc.); he is also a Sorabji specialist who has performed Opus Clavicembalisticum five times (according to his Wiki page); he is an expert on Russian futurist composers of the Mosolov/Roslavetz type.  This piece is a song which I downloaded from the BMIC, and though I don't think the score is still there, I imagine the piece is still catalogued on their web site.

48 - an extraordinary piece, I could have chosen dozens more instantly recognisable, visually impressive pages. However, this page includes one of the most unbelievable sections of the score, in the exposed music written for the highlighted soloist at this point - solo starts at number 420, and is written at pitch! :o If you've heard this piece, you will probably remember this bit.

49 - written (obviously) by a Japanese composer (also an exceptional pianist). In the 60s he lived and worked in Europe, taking a very active and important part in the Western contemporary music scene. Among other things he was the dedicatee and first performer of Xenakis's first great piece for solo piano. However, he returned to Japan with the wish to make his music more relevant to his own culture; though not always superficially Japanese sounding (as e.g Takemitsu), his music is profoundly Japanese in spirit. Many of his scores are downloadable at his website, where you can find this piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 01:24:58 PM
46 - this is quite a hard one
Well, with a clue like that, you bet it is! :P

Quote
47 - this one is almost impossible, I freely admit, so here are lots of clues. The composer is my old fugue teacher; he used to turn up to supervisions looking bedraggled in suspiciously stained concert-clothes from the previous night; he became a member of GMG's last incarnation for one post; he is an exceptional pianist specialising in the complex end of the contemporary repertoire (Ferneyhough, Finnissy, DIllon etc. etc.); he is also a Sorabji specialist who has performed Opus Clavicembalisticum five times (according to his Wiki page); he is an expert on Russian futurist composers of the Mosolov/Roslavetz type.  This piece is a song which I downloaded from the BMIC, and though I don't think the score is still there, I imagine the piece is still catalogued on their web site.

Do you really think we need all those clues for an easy one like that? :P The answer is glaringly obvious. This is page one of Serebryaniy vek (The Silver Age), a composition for soprano and piano from 1996 by Jonathan Powell.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 01:51:59 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:41:37 PM
Well, with a clue like that, you bet it is! :P

What, you want more? Greedy so-and-so. OK. You have mentioned the composer's name in this thread. But he isn't Polish!

Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:41:37 PMDo you really think we need all those clues for an easy one like that? :P The answer is glaringly obvious. This is page one of Serebryaniy vek (The Silver Age), a composition for soprano and piano from 1996 by Jonathan Powell.

;D  ;D  Not everyone knows their stuff like you, though, Maciek. We have to give them a chance too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:55:36 PM
49 - I liked the clues for this one. Plain and simple. Thanks for pointing out the title which I of course missed (the picture really pulls too much of one's attention). The answer is: Yuji Takahashi - Sa
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 01:51:59 PM
;D  ;D  Not everyone knows their stuff like you, though, Maciek. We have to give them a chance too.

I just have my Highlights of the History of GMG memorized. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:55:36 PM
49 - I liked the clues for this one. Plain and simple. Thanks for pointing out the title which I of course missed (the picture really pulls too much of one's attention). The answer is: Yuji Takahashi - Sa

That's OK - I didn't think the title on its own was much help, so I left it in. Those clues made it pretty easy, didn't they!? I think at this point my contributions to this thread are just going to turn into links to downloadable scores! Takahashi's page has some gems, as does the BMIC one which you know.

Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
I just have my 'Highlights' of the History of GMG memorized. ;D

Just checking you've been paying attention.

(Not sure I like your ironic ' 's there!  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:03:52 PM
Now how about the ones where I didn't lead you by the hand right to the correct website?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:04:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 01:51:59 PM
You have mentioned the composer's name in this thread. But he isn't Polish!

A foreign composer's name in my mouth? Impossible! I would never stoop to that level!

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
(Not sure I like your ironic ' 's there!  ;D )

You're right, as a mod I should never be ironic towards this great forum. I shall remove those ' 's at once!

Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:03:52 PM
Now how about the ones where I didn't lead you by the hand right to the correct website?  ;D ;)

Just give me a sec.

Or a day.

Or two. ;D

(Right now I'm going through all my previous posts, striving to remove every mention of a foreign-sounding name that I can find...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:14:09 PM
So far, I've come to the conclusion that no. 46 in neither Berlioz nor Nyman. ;D Will report subsequent findings.

EDIT: Something tells me it isn't Previn either...

EDIT2: I have a sneaking suspicion you might have flaunted at us an excerpt from VeggieTales - Sumo of the Opera (http://www.epinions.com/content_156372536964)...

EDIT3: On a hunch, I'm also ruling Prokofiev, Rachmaninov, and De Falla out! :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
I honestly don't understand why 40 and (especially) 41 are proving so hard.   ??? I'm starting to doubt myself here... Give up on 46 for now and try again on those two will you, to restore my faith.

You're right, though, 46 is neither Berlioz, nor Nyman, nor Havergal Brian (I'll give you that for free)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
nor Havergal Brian (I'll give you that for free)

>:(
(quickly deletes triumphant post he had just finished writing...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:23:55 PM
LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
Simple question: does the surname of the composer of no. 46 contain the letter "c"?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:30:38 PM
Sort of
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:32:42 PM
You mean it's a different letter (but similar sound??), or do you mean that it's capitalized (as in Cage ;D)?

(Or maybe it contains an unusually pronounced "c"?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:36:39 PM
None of the above
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
Luke, don't suppose your #46 is Schnittke's Quasi una sonata, is it?

There's some passages with semi-indefinite violin pitch and similar piano figurations in it, though I certainly don't recognize this particular passage.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
OK, so it's got to be Schnittke.

(Darn, Edward beat me to it!)

And yes, it is his 2nd Violin Sonata - I just found it in the score...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
OK, so it's got to be Schnittke.

(Darn, Larry beat me to it!)

I did?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2007, 02:48:29 PM
Sorry, just automatically assumed it was you, even before the avatar loaded (I don't even look at the names anymore...). :-[

Logging off now, with a feeling of utter defeat and embarrassment.

See you all on Monday! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 02:49:14 PM
Believe me, I've just about lost confidence in my ability to identify anything.

And yet no one has identified two of mine  . . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:58:01 PM
Larry, is one of yours (I forget which number, the one which leads up to the double bar) Christopher Rouse, Phaethon?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:02:45 PM
Oh, and Edward - yes, of course you are right about the Schnittke.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 03:03:17 PM
And #45 is Rzewski's Coming Together. (I initially thought it was a Tom Johnson piece but then saw the text.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:04:30 PM
Yep. As I said, the title is staring you in the face! That's three pieces of Rzewski so far on this thread....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:07:18 PM
This is great - they're falling thick and fast now! Only five left. Funny how 40 and 41 remain - I am genuinely confused.  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 02:58:01 PM
Larry, is one of yours (I forget which number, the one which leads up to the double bar) Christopher Rouse, Phaethon?

Right composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:07:18 PM
This is great - they're falling thick and fast now! Only five left. Funny how 40 and 41 remain - I am genuinely confused.  ???

You're not the only one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:18:58 PM
If I could think of someone who uses diatonic quasi-baroque writing for harpsichord followed by unison outbursts for the rest of the ensemble, with Russian footnotes, I'd nail it. Ultskovskaya (sp?)

If I could think of a sort of what could be a violin concerto using a Theremin, I'd nail the other.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
Well, you describe the Russian one pretty well, I can't really add to it. Ustvolskaya is wrong (the pieces I know of her are much starker and less referential) but not wildly so.

The other one is a chamber piece. At least you've seen the theremin, though. There aren't that many chamber pieces by major composers which include it (and this is one)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 03:25:26 PM
Oh, lord. It's not Part's Collage sur BACH is it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
No, it's not. But you know it. You've talked about it (or the series it belongs to) pretty recently.

Larry - is the Rouse Gorgon? The orchestra seems right....I was trying to be clever before, following what I thought was a clue with your 'blazing' (hence Phaethon)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
No, it's not. But you know it. You've talked about it (or the series it belongs to) pretty recently.

Larry - is the Rouse Gorgon? The orchestra seems right....I was trying to be clever before, following what I thought was a clue with your 'blazing' (hence Phaethon)
Oh, duh. It's Kancheli's 5th symphony, right?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:30:24 PM
Yes it is. Obvious now, isn't it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:30:24 PM
Yes it is. Obvious now, isn't it!
Yeah, I did initially think of Kancheli, but couldn't remember anything of his that began with a harpsichord passage. Brain fart there, I think!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:34:49 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
Well, you describe the Russian one pretty well, I can't really add to it. Ustvolskaya is wrong

I thought so, but I can't think of anything else.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 03:36:27 PM
41 is Martinu's Fantasie for theremin, oboe, piano and str4tet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:38:18 PM
Again, obvious in retrospect, isn't it? Works for oboe, theremin, piano and quartet are a fairly limited category.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:30:24 PM
Yes it is. Obvious now, isn't it!

I don't know Kancheli's work. The Rouse piece is Gorgon. I thought of quoting the passage where he has 3 Mahler-style hammers slamming the downbeat all at once, but the ending is extreme enough (that poor timpanist gets a workout). Rouse was a freshman at Oberlin while I was a sophomore.

I'm genuinely surprised me other piece isn't getting identified. I thought it would be easy, especially with my excellent clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
I don't know Kancheli's work. The Rouse piece is Gorgon. I thought of quoting the passage where he has 3 Mahler-style hammers slamming the downbeat all at once, but the ending is extreme enough (that poor timpanist gets a workout). Rouse was a freshman at Oberlin while I was a sophomore.

That's how I got it... I was sitting here, and suddenly the word Oberlin popped into my head!

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
I'm genuinely surprised me other piece isn't getting identified. I thought it would be easy, especially with my excellent clues.

I thought I knew it, or something like it...but it isn't what I thought it was, not at all. I'm sure I'll groan when it is revealed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:38:18 PM
Again, obvious in retrospect, isn't it? Works for oboe, theremin, piano and quartet are a fairly limited category.
Yeah, I didn't spot the theremin initially, though my once-over of the score made me think Martinu (his style is pretty darn distinctive).

I really don't have much of a clue over the rest: though the scoring in #48 looks very Rihmian, I don't recognize the handwriting.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: edward on September 08, 2007, 03:44:52 PM
Yeah, I didn't spot the theremin initially, though my once-over of the score made me think Martinu (his style is pretty darn distinctive).

I really don't have much of a clue over the rest: though the scoring in #48 looks very Rihmian, I don't recognize the handwriting.

I can't let that go, if you don't recognise the handwriting and still think it is Rihm from the scoring, I am deeply impressed.  :o   It is Rihm...one of his better known pieces. Try to call that solo to mind.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:47:16 PM
I can't let that go, if you don't recognise the handwriting and still think it is Rihm from the scoring, I am deeply impressed.  :o   It is Rihm...one of his better known pieces. Try to call that solo to mind.
I'll play stab in the dark, since you say better known, I'll guess Jagden und Formen?

I always think of this sort of harp-against-trumpet-and-trombone writing as very typical of the composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:57:04 PM
Spot on, Edward!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
That's how I got it... I was sitting here, and suddenly the word Oberlin popped into my head!

I thought I knew it, or something like it...but it isn't what I thought it was, not at all. I'm sure I'll groan when it is revealed!

Maybe it would help it you heard some of it (and then think of what will happen if it's what you thought originally). The audio excerpt doesn't match the score print 100%; it starts a couple of bars in and goes on for another few measures past my score print.

It is an excerpt from one of my very favorite pieces of American music, a work that was truly celebrated for a while but is largely forgotten today.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:05:53 PM
I'm beginning to think (on the basis of the clues) that Larry's remaining one is David Diamond. I'm assuming one of the Symphonies....could be no 4.....or, no, hang on - Music for Romeo and Juliet (Juliet and her Nurse)? Something like that.

edit - now let me go and listen to that sample I've just seen!

second edit - OK, it isn't one of those, but it still might be Diamond. I really don't know what at the moment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 04:07:26 PM
Luke, are #37 the melodic formulas for Stockhausen's Licht cycle?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:09:48 PM
You're too good at this! How did you get it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
Where is Takahashi's website? googling has produced no results.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:12:35 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:05:53 PM
I'm beginning to think (on the basis of the clues) that Larry's remaining one is David Diamond. I'm assuming one of the Symphonies....could be no 4.....or, no, hang on - Music for Romeo and Juliet (Juliet and her Nurse)? Something like that.

edit - now let me go and listen to that sample I've just seen!

second edit - OK, it isn't one of those, but it still might be Diamond. I really don't know what at the moment.

The piece is truly a gem, but it's not by Diamond.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 04:14:12 PM
Something was bugging me about it--I was pretty sure I'd seen the handwriting before, and then I looked at the date at the bottom of the score. BAM! Early in the writing of Licht, and then it fell into place: the nature of the melodic lines was exactly right and the exceptional level of specified detail in the score was typical of Stockhausen (and of course there are three melodic formulae, one each for Eve, Michael and Lucifer).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:14:42 PM
Edward - impressive stuff. You are right about the peculiar detail in these formulas, and how important even the smallest thing becomes when magnified up. I'm still utterly bowled over by Inori, one of the classic examples of this formula technique, years after Al kindly introduced lots of us to it.

Larry - OK, I'll rethink. A pity - he seemed to fit your clues so well!

Guido, I will have to look for the Takahashi site - IIRC it was hard to find the second time I wanted it. In the meantime, the link that leads to the Enescu song also leads to this page (http://www.geocities.com/romanianscores/bartokvcl1.html), which may be up your alley.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:19:22 PM
Guido - much easier to refind than I thought (or maybe my searching techniques have improved). Here's the page of Takahashi scores (http://www.suigyu.com/yuji/en-works.html); there may be other useful pages linked from here, I can't remember.

Ooh, some new things since I looked last - yummy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:05:15 PM
Maybe it would help it you heard some of it (and then think of what will happen if it's what you thought originally). The audio excerpt doesn't match the score print 100%; it starts a couple of bars in and goes on for another few measures past my score print.

It is an excerpt from one of my very favorite pieces of American music, a work that was truly celebrated for a while but is largely forgotten today.

I should modify this to say the piece was also championed by another well-known composer-conductor who especially (as I do) admired this slow movement. Copland also admired this composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:27:04 PM
Thanks Luke. I havent heard of that Bartok before - it looks very interesting.

(I adore the First Rhapsody arranged for cello and piano and naturally think it sounds much better than the violin/piano version. actually I have an extraordinary recording of it for cello and orchestra played by Arto Noras, who I think is really one of the cello giants, but is oddly unknown outised of Scandinavia. Some of the most startlingly beautiful and virtuosic playing I've ever heard, even although the piece is far from the most difficult cello piece.)

Massive digression aside, that Bartok is some of the weirdest typesetting I have ever seen. It looks like its been done on paint!

I'll check out the Takahashi link.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:28:07 PM
I know it! Harold Shapero Symphony for Classical orchestra!

I'll have to listen again - It never really grabbed me, despite the praise that Previn heaped on it ('the most beautiful slow movement of any American symphony') - always seemed a little conventional to me. I wonder if my ears have changed in the last 12 months! (I would hope that they had!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:27:04 PM
Arto Noras, who I think is really one of the cello giants, but is oddly unknown outised of Scandinavia.
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this guy greatly underrated.

I'm officially giving up on #44. My knowledge of organ music isn't that good, though it looks French.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:35:41 PM
Guido, these pieces aren't Bartok, but folksongs from his collection, arranged (much as he would have done) by Ana-Maria Avram, a Romanian composer of some pretty extraordinary works. I have quite a few pieces of her - she tends to share discs with Dumitrescu - and they are nothing like this. The notation here is odd-looking, I agree, but I think some of that might be deliberate. Certainly in other ways she seems to be trying to capture the flexibility of these songs, and it's possible that the peculiar notation is in part expressive of that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:36:49 PM
Nice one on the Shapero, if you are right (I'm sure you are). I'd never have got that one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: edward on September 08, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this guy greatly underrated.

I'm officially giving up on #44. My knowledge of organ music isn't that good, though it looks French.

Yes, it is. One of the great French organ composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: not edward on September 08, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
Just to go off-topic a bit, anyone interested in weird things being done with folksongs from Bartok's collection might enjoy Horatiu Radulescu's piano concerto The Quest, possibly available cheaply from cpo. I think it's a fascinating piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:41:22 PM
***Completely off topic***

Quote from: edward on September 08, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this guy greatly underrated.

I would go so far as to say that I think his playing is touched with genius. He's commissioned many magnificent Scandinavian concertos (most importantly the Sallinen IMO). Another one is Erling Blondal-Bengtsson - an astonishing player (Koppel cello concerto - one of the most amazing recordings I own, and also it's one of those pieces where one is staggered that it is not in the standard repertoire - though I suspect it is the very high level of difficulty of the solo part.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2007, 04:42:38 PM
Quote from: edward on September 08, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
Just to go off-topic a bit, anyone interested in weird things being done with folksongs from Bartok's collection might enjoy Horatiu Radulescu's piano concerto The Quest, possibly available cheaply from cpo. I think it's a fascinating piece.

Coincidence - was listening to that, and to the CPO disc of Radulescu piano sonatas 2, 3 and 4 (similar and related pieces), just yesterday. And to my mind, there is a common thread between these pieces and that Stockhausen masterpiece Inori that I mentioned a few posts up!

Funnily enough, certain things in the music I am writing at the moment remind me, in their insignificant way, of aspects of Inori, and of Radulescu, and of Takahashi, amongst others. But that says more about the direction my music is taking than anything else, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 08, 2007, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 08, 2007, 04:28:07 PM
I know it! Harold Shapero Symphony for Classical orchestra!

I'll have to listen again - It never really grabbed me, despite the praise that Previn heaped on it ('the most beautiful slow movement of any American symphony') - always seemed a little conventional to me. I wonder if my ears have changed in the last 12 months! (I would hope that they had!)

That's it. The composer-conductors I referred to were, of course, Bernstein and Previn.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 09, 2007, 07:29:54 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2007, 12:49:16 PM
Manuel hasn't confirmed this one yet, but I'm fairly sure, so I'll leave it like this for now...


It is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 09, 2007, 11:52:33 AM
anyone wanna guess some more of my scores now? (wherever they are)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 12:28:53 PM
Quote from: greg on September 09, 2007, 11:52:33 AM
anyone wanna guess some more of my scores now? (wherever they are)

anyone wanna give some clues?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 09, 2007, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 12:28:53 PM
anyone wanna give some clues?
yeah, if someone tells me which page they're on
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 09, 2007, 02:35:19 PM
Here you are, Greg - the complete second list as it stands:


MYSTERY SCORES ROUND TWO
Set by Greg 2:
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Manuel 2:
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Luke 2:
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)

Set by Maciek 2:
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Larry 2:
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 03:36:08 PM
Looks like the number guessed by Larry has trickled to a minimum ... but I did get the composer to Luke 38!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 07:11:34 PM
But that doesn't mean he can't make it hard for the rest of you!

Some of these should be quite easy -
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 07:13:22 PM
And some may be quite difficult.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: cx on September 09, 2007, 07:45:25 PM
LR 45: Bartok Sonata for 2 Pianos and Percussion?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 09, 2007, 11:18:22 PM
LR 48 - or whichever is bottom of the first set - is the C minor Polonaise by WF Bach, I think.

LR 50 - has a slightly Carterian look in some respects, so I'm going to guess the Concerto for Orchestra, though  I haven't seen that score for years, or indeed heard the piece for nearly as long.

LR 52 - looks like a page of the vocal score of Akhnaten
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 10, 2007, 02:48:51 AM
.................
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 04:46:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 09, 2007, 11:18:22 PM
LR 48 - or whichever is bottom of the first set - is the C minor Polonaise by WF Bach, I think.

LR 50 - has a slightly Carterian look in some respects, so I'm going to guess the Concerto for Orchestra, though  I haven't seen that score for years, or indeed heard the piece for nearly as long.

LR 52 - looks like a page of the vocal score of Akhnaten

Those three are right! The Carter is from the third movement, with the tuba and timpani solos in the deep bass.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 04:47:56 AM
Quote from: CS on September 09, 2007, 07:45:25 PM
LR 45: Bartok Sonata for 2 Pianos and Percussion?

Not a bad guess (for reasons I'll clarify when it's identified), but not correct. Clues to come only later, if I see signs of desperation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 10, 2007, 05:05:18 AM
LR 45 composer Peter Eötvös??

Manuel 3 title Violin Concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 05:12:02 AM
l51- Varese- offrandes? i was also thinking Carter's A Mirror On Which to Dwell, but probably not
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 10, 2007, 05:12:17 AM
LR 49 is "On the Trail" from Ferde Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite, including the bass clarinet solo which is a standard excerpt for orchestral auditions.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 05:20:08 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 09, 2007, 02:35:19 PM
Here you are, Greg - the complete second list as it stands:

excellent!  8)
here's some hints:
g11 and g12 are the same composer. g11 isn't John Cage, but has taken inspiration from him, and he may not be American. (this might be too easy now, but the greater difficulty would be determining which works these are)

g15- a score by a somewhat cutting-edge composer. I have the piece on CD, but i just want to hear someone guess who the composer is first, since most of you might not actually have the recording of this piece.

g17- it's spectral! and it's a succesful piece, too, which i think kicks butt

g19- some more kick-butt music, look at the A B C D layout. The orchestra is arranged in a novel way, i won't go any further

g20- g19 and g20 are by the same composer. This piece, which I LOVE was written the year i was born, it's like it was written just for me  >:D (thanks man)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 10, 2007, 05:32:54 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 04:47:56 AM
Not a bad guess (for reasons I'll clarify when it's identified), but not correct. Clues to come only later, if I see signs of desperation.

The soloist's part from Bartok's Concerto for two pianos and percussion?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 05:34:26 AM
Quote from: Manuel on September 10, 2007, 05:32:54 AM
The soloist's part from Bartok's Concerto for two pianos and percussion?  ;D

Not Bartok, not Eotvos, not Varèse. Look more closely at the excerpts.

Mark of course has identified the Grand Canyon Suite by Grofé.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 06:03:32 AM
There is one (I think quite obvious) feature to the unidentified excerpts that I hope to see noticed before I give any clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 06:26:54 AM
wait, l51 is obviously Boulez. Pli Selon Pli?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 06:30:33 AM
Quote from: greg on September 10, 2007, 06:26:54 AM
wait, l51 is obviously Boulez. Pli Selon Pli?

Not Boulez, though of course obviously a modern French composer who uses similar instrumentation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 10, 2007, 06:39:57 AM
Dutilleux? is that any closer?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 08:10:34 AM
Quote from: greg on September 10, 2007, 06:39:57 AM
Dutilleux? is that any closer?

Not Dutilleux either.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 10, 2007, 10:04:31 AM
LR 45 - is this Maderna's Fantasia for two pianos and percussion? The Italian instrument names and the influence of Bartok on Maderna early on point me in this direction.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 10, 2007, 10:04:31 AM
LR 45 - is this Maderna's Fantasia for two pianos and percussion? The Italian instrument names and the influence of Bartok on Maderna early on point me in this direction.

No, it's not, though in one way you're closer, and Bartok's name will come up again when the excerpt is identified. But no one has yet commented on the obvious point raised in this and a following excerpt.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 10, 2007, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 10:13:26 AM
No, it's not, though in one way you're closer, and Bartok's name will come up again when the excerpt is identified. But no one has yet commented on the obvious point raised in this and a following excerpt.

Do you mean the fact that 45 is an arrangement of 46 (or possibly vice versa). Do I get a point for that?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 10, 2007, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 10, 2007, 12:08:07 PM
Do you mean the fact that 45 is an arrangement of 46 (or possibly vice versa). Do I get a point for that?  ;D

There we go! 45 and 46 are the same piece in different instrumentation. Now that you know there are four excerpts and three composers yet to identify, your next clue is that two of these composers were both at early stages in their careers rated very highly in certain circles, yet neither produced more than a handful of work. The other composer is American.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 01:06:45 AM
I have a feeling LR 51 may be Barraque's Sequence.

edit - a bit more searching, and I'm pretty confident now. My train of thought:

1) Googling this text gives no results, therefore it must be a translation
2) The piece looks French for many reasons
3) but few likely composers in this style - looks like early, pretty hardcore serialism - spring to mind except Barraque; however, it looks like early Barraque, and a lot less complex than those of his later scores which I have seen
4) Barraque wrote an early piece, Sequence, which sets Nietzsche; this text looks fairly Nietzschean, though in translation
5) Searching reveals (http://www.baerenreiter.com/html/zeitgen/barraque/barraque.htm) that Sequence's instrumentation is identical to this piece
6) With this conjecture in mind, searching for this text and adding in the name Nieztsche throws up the verse set here:

'The crows caw
And move in whirring flight to the city:
Soon it will snow —
Happy is he who yet—has a home!'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 02:41:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 01:06:45 AM
I have a feeling LR 51 may be Barraque's Sequence.

edit - a bit more searching, and I'm pretty confident now. My train of thought:

1) Googling this text gives no results, therefore it must be a translation
2) The piece looks French for many reasons
3) but few likely composers in this style - looks like early, pretty hardcore serialism - spring to mind except Barraque; however, it looks like early Barraque, and a lot less complex than those of his later scores which I have seen
4) Barraque wrote an early piece, Sequence, which sets Nietzsche; this text looks fairly Nietzschean, though in translation
5) Searching reveals (http://www.baerenreiter.com/html/zeitgen/barraque/barraque.htm) that Sequence's instrumentation is identical to this piece
6) With this conjecture in mind, searching for this text and adding in the name Nieztsche throws up the verse set here:

'The crows caw
And move in whirring flight to the city:
Soon it will snow —
Happy is he who yet—has a home!'


Correct. Three pieces of mine by two composers yet to go. Your next clues are that:
- 45/46 exists actually in three versions, all of which have been recorded, but one of the scores has not been commercially published. The composer, who stopped writing at a fairly young age, went on to become a very famous musician in another capacity.
- The other composer died a few years ago and was extremely prolific. He is well-recorded and was well-regarded among those who knew him, though. He also played clarinet and taught college.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 11, 2007, 02:53:56 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 10, 2007, 05:05:18 AM
Manuel 3 title Violin Concerto?

That's correct. The composer mastered his instrument (the same with Manuel 4) and wrote many kind and aristrocratic concertos for it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 03:34:25 AM
OK - LR 45/46 - L'Envol d'Icare - Markevitch. The 2 piano/percussion version is a later rescoring of the earlier orchestral work (which I have on CD and did not recognise  :-[ ). According to my liner notes, 'Bartok paid hommage to this trail-blazing score when completing his own Sonata for Two Pianos and percussion six years later).

It's hard to be entirely sure from comparing your score to my CD of L'Envol d'Icare (orchestral version), but the score is possibly Markevitch's later rescoring simply entitled Icare; there were a few clear differences in orchestration between the two.

You would not believe how many likely contenders I found for this piece last night, Larry! But the Markevitch it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 03:50:10 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 03:34:25 AM
OK - LR 45/46 - L'Envol d'Icare - Markevitch. The 2 piano/percussion version is a later rescoring of the earlier orchestral work (which I have on CD and did not recognise  :-[ ). According to my liner notes, 'Bartok paid hommage to this trail-blazing score when completing his own Sonata for Two Pianos and percussion six years later).

It's hard to be entirely sure from comparing your score to my CD of L'Envol d'Icare (orchestral version), but the score is possibly Markevitch's later rescoring simply entitled Icare; there were a few clear differences in orchestration between the two.

You would not believe how many likely contenders I found for this piece last night, Larry! But the Markevitch it is.

Indeed the Markevitch it is. The orchestral version is however "Icare," not the earlier, more radical "L'Envol d'Icare" famous for its use of quarter tones. And I would say only Markevitch fits all my clues: a young composer who is initially lauded as the next great thing in modern music (Igor the Second, Diaghilev's last discovery), whose 2-piano percussion version of this score may have been the inspiration for Bartok's great Sonata, who composes only a few works and then stops altogether, and who pursues a major career as a conductor.

Now what about my American? He, I suspect, will be harder to guess.

Any other scores left unidentified now?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 03:50:10 AM
Indeed the Markevitch it is. The orchestral version is however "Icare," not the earlier, more radical "L'Envol d'Icare" famous for its use of quarter tones.

Good - my score reading isn't that bad, then, it is as I guessed.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 03:50:10 AMAnd I would say only Markevitch fits all my clues: a young composer who is initially lauded as the next great thing in modern music (Igor the Second, Diaghilev's last discovery), whose 2-piano percussion version of this score may have been the inspiration for Bartok's great Sonata, who composes only a few works and then stops altogether, and who pursues a major career as a conductor.

In case you think I was, I wasn't complaining about the quality of your clues - actually, they seemed very well graded. Markevitch is the only one who fits the clues you gave this morning, which is why I was able to get him quite quickly after I saw your last one - though I didn't see a clue about this piece being the inspiration for Bartok, only that you said that a connection would become evident between the two. Last night, however, when I was busy trying to find out who it was, I of course wasn't aware of this morning's clues yet! So I was surprised to find more than one work for two pianos and percussion which had been re-orchestrated into orchestral garb, including some which seemed possible fits for this piece (and the Markevitch wasn;t even one of them). All in all, then, your clues narrowed down the field gradually and effectively.

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 03:50:10 AMNow what about my American? He, I suspect, will be harder to guess.

You suspect right, for my part.  ;D

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 03:50:10 AM
Any other scores left unidentified now?

Yes - look at my list on the previous page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 11, 2007, 04:12:44 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 03:50:10 AM
Indeed the Markevitch it is. The orchestral version is however "Icare," not the earlier, more radical "L'Envol d'Icare" famous for its use of quarter tones. And I would say only Markevitch fits all my clues: a young composer who is initially lauded as the next great thing in modern music (Igor the Second, Diaghilev's last discovery), whose 2-piano percussion version of this score may have been the inspiration for Bartok's great Sonata, who composes only a few works and then stops altogether, and who pursues a major career as a conductor.

Brilliant, lads!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 04:14:50 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 04:06:53 AM
You suspect right, for my part.  ;D

The only other clue I'll give at this point is that my composer was also interested in jazz, and wasn't a radical avant-gardist. The delightful piece I'm quoting from has been thought of as an American counterpart to Prokofiev's Classical Symphony - though the composer's style is in fact far more eclectic and includes 12-tone writing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:19:18 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 04:14:50 AM
The only other clue I'll give at this point is that my composer was also interested in jazz, and wasn't a radical avant-gardist. The delightful piece I'm quoting from has been thought of as an American counterpart to Prokofiev's Classical Symphony - though the composer's style is in fact far more eclectic and includes 12-tone writing.

So - to put all my clues together for this composition and amplify them: This charming little symphony, probably not representative of its composer as a whole because he works a lot with jazz and 12-tone idioms, has been recorded and I in fact am aware of at least 16 CDs devoted to this composer's orchestral work. He died recently, was highly prolific, a New York Jew who grew up in Brooklyn, son of an emigrant baker, a clarinetist, a college teacher, but though highly regarded by those who knew him he is not as well known to the public as many other American names. Maybe in a little while I'll post an audio excerpt from the piece in question.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 05:33:45 AM
Then it is obviously Meyer Kupferman. One of his 12 symphonies?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:44:20 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 05:33:45 AM
Then it is obviously Meyer Kupferman. One of his 12 symphonies?

Excellent. Luke knows everything. Which symphony?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:45:09 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:44:20 AM
Excellent. Luke knows everything. Which symphony?

And how did you figure it out?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:04:54 AM
Well, obviously, I looked on my CD shelves (because, logically enough, mine are organised under father's profession, in this case File under: Baker).  ;) >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 06:09:34 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:04:54 AM
Well, obviously, I looked on my CD shelves (because, logically enough, mine are organised under father's profession, in this case File under: Baker).  ;) >:D

Of course, everyone organizes their CDs that way. I file Stravinsky under "opera singer," Carter under "lace importer," Berlioz under "doctor," Beethoven under "drunkard," and so on. But since the CD is on your shelf, you can surely identify the symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:10:12 AM
As to which - I don't know.

Winter Symph?

Lyric Symph?

Sinfonia Brevis?

Chamber Symph?

...or one of the others....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:10:42 AM
I didn't say that CD was on my shelf.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 06:19:19 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:10:12 AM
As to which - I don't know.

Winter Symph?

Lyric Symph?

Sinfonia Brevis?

Chamber Symph?

...or one of the others....


...it's one of the others....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:32:55 AM
closer inspection....it could be the Divertimento for chamber orchestra

or Symphony no 3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 07:02:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 06:32:55 AM
closer inspection....it could be Symphony no 3

Better known perhaps as the Little Symphony, as suggested by my clue:

QuoteThis charming little symphony, probably not representative of its composer as a whole because he works a lot with jazz and 12-tone idioms, has been recorded and I in fact am aware of at least 16 CDs devoted to this composer's orchestral work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Well, until Greg and Manuel gives us some extra help, we're at a bit of an impasse! There's one more of mine left, LO 44; I'm reluctant to say much more than that this is one of the more important works of one of the most prominent figures of French organ music in the early 20th century.

So, to keep things ticking along, here are some more.

LO 50 - I am hoping no one reads this script, as, if they do, I don't imagine the answer will be long in coming

LO 51 - there is a major clue in the musical substance of this page
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:18:14 PM
LO 52 - this piece will, I suspect, prove very difficult, so I'm happy to give lots of clues. It is a non-programmatic, concertante piece for cor anglais and orchestra; its composer is very well known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:22:08 PM
LO 53 - this piece by a major composer has not, AFAIK, been recorded. It is scored for voice and two instruments, one of which is not visible on the pages given.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:24:12 PM
LO 54 - this is one of the most sheerly sensuously beautiful pieces I know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
LO 55 - I suspect this is fairly well-known, so no clues yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:29:33 PM
LO 56 - one for Guido, perhaps? I expect he will get this quickly, given the chance. This piece makes reference to two other pieces by a different composer. One of those references appears on this page. The two references are also alluded to titularly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:34:12 PM
LO 57 - again, I'm reluctant to give clues just yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:34:47 PM
LO 58 - likewise with this one, which is quite straightforward, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Well, until Greg and Manuel gives us some extra help, we're at a bit of an impasse! There's one more of mine left, LO 44; I'm reluctant to say much more than that this is one of the more important works of one of the most prominent figures of French organ music in the early 20th century.

So, to keep things ticking along, here are some more.

LO 50 - I am hoping no one reads this script, as, if they do, I don't imagine the answer will be long in coming

LO 51 - there is a major clue in the musical substance of this page

From the range and character of the solo part, 51 looks like it could be write for a tenor voice. The accompaniment looks more orchestral than pianistic in style.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 11, 2007, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:34:47 PM
LO 58 - likewise with this one, which is quite straightforward, I think.

Looks like an a capella male choir thing by Schoenberg, but I can't pin it down to any of the pieces I know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 11, 2007, 08:29:05 PM
LO 51 has got to be by a Czech composer! The Hussite hymn is all over the place. "Ye who are warriors of God".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 11:26:24 PM
Larry, you are right on the Schoenberg male chorus thing; it's a pretty limited set of works, so it shouldn't be too hard finding which one this is (the most spectacular one, IMO)

Mark, that's exactly the clue I hoped someone would spot. This piece makes frequent reference to this potent idea throughout, but this page is one of the most specific in that respect. It is an instrumental work, and the piano part is not a reduction.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 01:21:53 AM
Just to keep this thing at the top... as you can see, I've stuck the two lists together, so as to have everything in one place and easy to access.

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:17:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 11:26:24 PM
Larry, you are right on the Schoenberg male chorus thing; it's a pretty limited set of works, so it shouldn't be too hard finding which one this is (the most spectacular one, IMO)

Unfortunately I don't have scores or recordings of these. I'll keep at it, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:20:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 01:21:53 AM
Just to keep this thing at the top... as you can see, I've stuck the two lists together, so as to have everything in one place and easy to access.

Well, I could get partial credit for the composer on LO51...  :D

I would love to capture all of these images into a Word file or PDF and send it around to all interested, before Rob inevitably deletes all the graphics. We could be the ones responsible for the database crashing every other day.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:22:54 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:20:07 AM
Well, I could get partial credit for the composer on LO51...  :D

??? Why - did I miss a post?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 12, 2007, 04:41:01 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:20:07 AM
I would love to capture all of these images into a Word file or PDF and send it around to all interested, before Rob inevitably deletes all the graphics. We could be the ones responsible for the database crashing every other day.  ;D

If this happens, count me in, please!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:08:38 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:22:54 AM
??? Why - did I miss a post?

I mean LO58. Can't keep all the numbers straight.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:15:16 AM
Ah, right. Fair point. Modified as suggested!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 12, 2007, 05:16:08 AM
LO 52: My guess is Ned Rorem.

During my detective work I was surprised at how many English horn concertos there are: Nicholas Maw, Aaron Jay Kernis, Michael Daugherty, Vincent Persichetti.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:20:08 AM
No, sorry. Told you this one was hard. The composer of this piece is at the same time a much less famous composer than any of those you mentioned, and much more famous. If that is any help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:24:13 AM
Oh, and, to be fair, I ought to say that this piece is a Concertino rather than a Concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 05:59:29 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 11, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Well, until Greg and Manuel gives us some extra help, we're at a bit of an impasse! There's one more of mine left, LO 44; I'm reluctant to say much more than that this is one of the more important works of one of the most prominent figures of French organ music in the early 20th century.

So, to keep things ticking along, here are some more.

LO 50 - I am hoping no one reads this script, as, if they do, I don't imagine the answer will be long in coming

LO 51 - there is a major clue in the musical substance of this page


Quote from: greg on September 10, 2007, 05:20:08 AM
excellent!  8)
here's some hints:
g11 and g12 are the same composer. g11 isn't John Cage, but has taken inspiration from him, and he may not be American. (this might be too easy now, but the greater difficulty would be determining which works these are)

g15- a score by a somewhat cutting-edge composer. I have the piece on CD, but i just want to hear someone guess who the composer is first, since most of you might not actually have the recording of this piece.

g17- it's spectral! and it's a succesful piece, too, which i think kicks butt

g19- some more kick-butt music, look at the A B C D layout. The orchestra is arranged in a novel way, i won't go any further

g20- g19 and g20 are by the same composer. This piece, which I LOVE was written the year i was born, it's like it was written just for me  >:D (thanks man)

this isn't enough extra help?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:59:55 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:20:08 AM
No, sorry. Told you this one was hard. The composer of this piece is at the same time a much less famous composer than any of those you mentioned, and much more famous. If that is any help.

This suggests the composer is well-known as a musician, but less so as a composer. Correct?

There is an English horn concerto by S. Skrowacewzki (sp?), better known as a conductor.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 06:02:12 AM
Quote from: greg on September 12, 2007, 05:59:29 AM

this isn't enough extra help?

There are lot of pieces in play now, and some get lost in the shuffle, especially as newer ones surface.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 06:05:14 AM
Luke's done the magic of linking everything together so i know i'm not lost!  $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 06:18:19 AM
Quote from: greg on September 12, 2007, 05:59:29 AM

this isn't enough extra help?

Were you born in 1987 or 1988?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 07:02:25 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 06:18:19 AM
Were you born in 1987 or 1988?
1987
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:59:55 AM
This suggests the composer is well-known as a musician, but less so as a composer. Correct?

Almost correct - but you picked up on the deliberate ambiguity of the phrasing correctly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 07:33:27 AM
Quote from: greg on September 12, 2007, 05:59:29 AM

this isn't enough extra help?

To be honest, no!! ;D These are obviously examples that need the sort of giveaway clues other questions have had to have
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 09:42:01 AM
Quoteg11 and g12 are the same composer. g11 isn't John Cage, but has taken inspiration from him, and he may not be American. (this might be too easy now, but the greater difficulty would be determining which works these are)

g15- a score by a somewhat cutting-edge composer. I have the piece on CD, but i just want to hear someone guess who the composer is first, since most of you might not actually have the recording of this piece.

g17- it's spectral! and it's a succesful piece, too, which i think kicks butt

g19- some more kick-butt music, look at the A B C D layout. The orchestra is arranged in a novel way, i won't go any further

g20- g19 and g20 are by the same composer. This piece, which I LOVE was written the year i was born, it's like it was written just for me

more clues:
g11 and g12- this composer is Asian
g15- this composer is German
g17- just think of THE spectral composers, the ones who started it. Think of the succesful spectral pieces and take some guesses
g19 and g20- one of my VERY favorite composers (now that i said that, you should know who he is). The trick now is to guess which works they are. i gave you 1987, one should be really easy
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 12, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
Manuel3 - Every upper-intermediate violinist plays this concerto at least once in his life. I suppose that's an important reason for serious violinists not to perform it as a concert piece.
If you explore Nathan Milstein's lineage (which leads to Tartini), you will find this violinist-composer, eventually.

Manuel4 - I think he gave his last concert from an armchair.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 12, 2007, 11:04:23 AM
And there's a more intrincate clue...

The violinist that made the only modern recording of the work in Manuel3 had a son who was named after the composer of the work in Manuel4.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 11:16:39 AM
g20 Xenakis ATA
g19 also Xenakis
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
Nomos gamma??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 12, 2007, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 11:16:39 AM
g20 Xenakis ATA
yep

Quote from: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
Nomos gamma??
nope
it has a very unusual arrangement, where the orchestral players sit.
if you don't know it right away, just do a little research
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 12:04:04 PM
Terretektorh?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 12:49:47 PM
Luke - am a bit stumped on the cello concerto (or concertante work) - remember not all of us mere mortals have your awesome score reading abilities and score knowledge. Will keep thinking (though I have an inkling)...

Chor Anglais concertante work - only two pieces I can think of are both programmatic - Kernis' Coloured field, and MacMillan's The World's Ransoming.

Am keen to find out what no. 54 is!

(am thinking of trying to track down the scores of the three most difficult cello concerti that I have come accross - all of them are worth it I think - a project for the Cambridge library - though I suppose you might start guessing already!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 12:04:04 PM
Terretektorh?

Or possible Le Polytope de Montreal.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 01:07:05 PM
Yes, that would have been my 3rd guess. 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 02:23:22 PM
Luke - pieces for cello and orchestra, which include references to other works (including titular references) - I can only think of a few - Murill Cello concerto no.2 "Song of the Birds", Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on Sussex theme tunes, Schoenberg's concerto based on Monn's keyboard concerto, Foulds concerto on themes by Corelli (lost and unrecorded), Cassado concerto based on themes from Tchaikovsky's piano music, Denisov - Death is a Long Sleep - Variations on a canon by Haydn. Its none of the first four, definitely. I don't really think its any of these, but if I had to suggest one it would be the Denisov. Stab in the dark though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 02:52:25 PM
The Denisov is closest, though not perhaps for the reasons you think (though I don't know what they are)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 03:03:03 PM
The cryptic hints are what I like best about this thread... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 03:13:17 PM
Well, it could well be for the reason Guido thinks...in fact, it possibly is.....hell, I don't know! Guido, what do you think?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 03:37:32 PM
They are literally all the one's that I can think of with names that have titular reference to other works, and that seemed the most likely one based on the harmony (although even then, hmm...) - the first three I own scores to so I know its not them, and the Cassado is so obscure that I doubt its that (and its not Tchaikovskian harmony).

hmmm.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 03:43:22 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 12, 2007, 03:37:32 PM
They are literally all the one's that I can think of with names that have titular reference to other works, and that seemed the most likely one based on the harmony (although even then, hmm...) - the first three I own scores to so I know its not them, and the Cassado is so obscure that I doubt its that (and its not Tchaikovskian harmony).

hmmm.....

It's none of the ones you mentioned, sorry.

Anyway, want more clues?

50 - as I say, the language is a big clue, as is the metre (or the implications of the metre) I think name of composer and, in the most basic way, type of piece, would be enough here

51 - Mark has spotted that this piece, especially, I will say, this quoted part, is largely based around the Hussite chorale 'Ye who are the warriors of God', a piece quoted famously and obsessively by Smetana in Tabor and Blanik (Ma Vlast) and later by e.g. Suk (Praga) and Janacek (Mr Broucek) - it is a symbol of Czech pride and defiance. It is certainly that in this piece. Larry thought the melody line looked vocal, and whilst this is not correct, it is possible to imagine this line as a setting of some kind of defiant text, deliberately and necessarily rendered dumb by being played instrumentally. This, though, is pure symbolic speculation on my part and has no grounds in fact. It might help to guide you towards the composer and the piece, however.

52 - This is the one about which I said:
QuoteThe composer of this piece is at the same time a much less famous composer than any of those you mentioned, and much more famous
Understandably, Larry took this to mean that he is/was better known as a musician in another field than as a composer. In fact, though, it goes further than that: he is better known as something other than a musician at all, though throughout his life, and despite his prolific creativity in his higher profile career, he continued to think of himself as a composer above all else, and to value music above the other arts despite his profound working knowledge in other areas. His career is inevitably linked with Beethoven's Ninth, amongst other works.

53 - The text here is clear; so, I assume is the nationality of the composer and, perhaps, the period from which this piece dates. This, added to the fact that I have called this composer a major figure - which he surely is - should limit the possibilities somewhat. Remember that this piece is unrecorded, but it is far from unmentioned online.

54 - this is the sensuously beautiful one, which I realise may be no clue at all. You see a reference to a certain number of soloists in the middle of the score, playing certain types of instruments; this knowledge alone could tell you for whom the piece was written. This, I think, is also one of those scores where the publisher and thus the composer are fairly evident.

55 - This is from the middle movement (of five) of a too-little-known (though hardly unknown) masterpiece of late Romanticism.  A quite wonderful and very suggestive piece, in fact, typical of its composer but a little less convoluted and more fantastically alive than some of his similarly-scored works, IMO, great though those are also. This movement is for a much reduced orchestra - just six solo players, for the most part, until the last bars. I have mentioned this composer's name in this thread.

56 - The one Guido should know (in fact, he does know it, I think). Again, the publisher is fairly clear. Sometimes this composer's notation strikes me as a little 'messy', as indeed it does a little on this page, but that is part of his style. Like no 54, this is an unremittingly beautiful work - almost too much so, possibly.

57 - Scored for a fairly standard orchestra, but in a typically glittering fashion; this composer is well-known for his short, dazzling orchestral pieces. This is one of the (slightly) less well-known ones, but even so is recognised as a mini-masterpiece, as indeed are many of this composer's pieces. If you can isolate the composer and the possible work, the wind figuration should give a little hint.

58 - Larry's almost got this one: a male part song by Schoenberg. The voices are 'just' engaged in childish impressions of drums etc., as they are throughout much of this song.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 12, 2007, 04:09:26 PM
oh yeah. Duh! I thought of the Farewell to Philosophy, but didn't see the titular connection (of course it's to two of Haydn's Symphonies). Wouldn't have recognised the score though! The too beautiful thing was a massive clue of course!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:16:48 PM
Certainly was - to clarify, this is a page from late in Gavin Bryars' Cello Concerto 'Farewell to Philosophy', whose title refers to those two Haydn symphonies, The Farewell and The Philosopher. The page shown, with its paired horns and oboe/cor anglais over padding strings is making reference to the latter work; the orchestral 'thinning-out' at the end of the piece refers to the former one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:38:06 PM
I'm going to bed in a minute, but before I go I might as well put up a few more samples I've prepared this evening (quite low quality,these ones, I'm afraid). And then that will do from me for a few days, I hope, though I have more in mind if we get that far.

LO 59 and LO 60 go together; they are not by the same composer, though they both look very similar to another composer, which is significant
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:41:14 PM
LO 61 is just a straightforward question, without peculiarities to latch on to, I'm afraid. An unexpectedly potent and well put-together piece, IMO.

LO 62 is quite a funky piece....

LO 63 - I could have chosen a more intricately jewelled page from the 400 or so that this work has, but this is one of the most beautiful moments in the entire collection.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:41:45 PM
LO 64 - he he

LO 65 - no comment

LO 66 - ought to be relatively straightforward
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:44:19 PM
LO 67 - quite a typical piece

LO 68 - an impressive piece of juvenilia
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:53:39 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:44:19 PM
LO 67 - quite a typical piece

LO 68 - an impressive piece of juvenilia

68 Richard Strauss?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:56:36 PM
Not 68 (though that's a good guess).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:41:45 PM
LO 64 - he he

LO 65 - no comment

LO 66 - ought to be relatively straightforward

65 looks like a Chopin mazurka but I don't think it is, so Szymanowski. And don't ask me which!

66 looks like Richard Strauss too! But don't ask me which opera!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:59:13 PM
65 isn't Chopin or Szymanowski.

66 is Strauss, but I won't ask you which opera since it isn't one. I will say, however, that this isn't a vocal score (despite the 'pizz' marking, which I suppose is just there to help the pianist imagine the desired sound). Big clues there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Now I really am going to bed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 05:02:26 PM
Now I really am going to bed!

66 is Strauss's melodrama The Castle by the Sea, a work I had never heard of until five minutes ago.

Now let's see if Luke really has gone to bed!!!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 04:59:13 PM
65 isn't Chopin or Szymanowski.

Maybe not, the markings are in French.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 05:32:11 PM
I think it even sounds French. It reminds me of Satie a bit but it seems too "regular" for him... But who then? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 12, 2007, 11:07:57 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 12, 2007, 05:12:17 PM
66 is Strauss's melodrama The Castle by the Sea, a work I had never heard of until five minutes ago.

Correct! It's partly the discovery of new composers and works that makes this thread fun, I think. Wide-ranging and extending many aspects of musical (and logical) thinking.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 13, 2007, 04:32:32 AM
Judging by the clue, LO 68 must be the Piano Trio by Korngold.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 04:52:47 AM
It is  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 04:55:12 AM
Meanwhile, Manuel 4 is the second of the Four Etudes for two violins by Wieniawski
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 13, 2007, 05:09:21 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 12, 2007, 12:04:04 PM
Terretektorh?
you got it, Maciek!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 06:42:42 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 04:55:12 AM
Meanwhile, Manuel 4 is the second of the Four Etudes for two violins by Wieniawski

and Manuel 3 is from the first movement of de Beriot's 9th Violin Concerto.

(I've updated the list before Manuel gets a chance to confirm, because I've compared his examples side by side with the scores.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 13, 2007, 07:01:03 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 06:42:42 AM
and Manuel 3 is from the first movement of de Beriot's 9th Violin Concerto.

(I've updated the list before Manuel gets a chance to confirm, because I've compared his examples side by side with the scores.)

They are. Now, for the bonus points: who is the modern violinist I mentioned to when linking both composers?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 07:04:21 AM
Takako Nishizaki
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 13, 2007, 09:28:56 AM
Perhaps the "Satie" piece is by Scriabin?? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 13, 2007, 10:24:35 AM
Perhaps it is.







But it isn't.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 13, 2007, 10:28:35 AM
He, he. Perhaps it isn't then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 18, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
Have we all run out of steam for this game? can we at least wrap up the ones left unidentified?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 18, 2007, 10:48:52 AM
anyone need more clues for my scores?
how about some more guesses?.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 18, 2007, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 18, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
Have we all run out of steam for this game? can we at least wrap up the ones left unidentified?

I certainly haven't - I was worrying everyone else had lost enthusiasm!

There are quite a few left to guess of mine, and I have more I'd love to post, too, though seeing this great thread slip down the board I haven't had the heart to prepare them yet.

For me, the whole point of this game, apart from the 'thrill of the chase' (  ;D ) is the fascinating corners of the repertoire it takes me too - places I wouldn't normally have thought of going, perhaps. Among my ongoing crop of scores-to-be-guessed are a few that I think are really interesting, as, I hope, would be others I might post in the future. And personally, I want to have more to work at from other people too, as I'm craving more musical detective work! I never got into crosswords etc. - perhaps this is the musician's equivalent!

Greg, of your remaining numbers, I simply don't have a clue.  ???  Give us a few more hints.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 18, 2007, 12:27:45 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 18, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
Have we all run out of steam for this game? can we at least wrap up the ones left unidentified?

I'm currently in Vilnius, and on a VERY slow dial up connection (graphics practically don't load at all ::)), so I won't be participating for a while (almost until the end of September). At least I don't think so. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 18, 2007, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 18, 2007, 10:57:21 AM
I certainly haven't - I was worrying everyone else had lost enthusiasm!

Just taking an intermission, or as you on the other side of the pond would say, an interval.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 18, 2007, 12:33:02 PM
I'll take a major sixth, Larry!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 05:00:21 AM
OK, in the hope to give the thread a little kick-start, some more give-away clues to my remaining ones (italics = correctly guessed):

No 44 - we've established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I'll add that he is one of those much-lamented 'died-too-soon' composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I'll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer's output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an 'Eastern' title.

No 50 - evidently the different script gives the game away that this piece originates somewhere relatively unusual. There are not an enormous number of well-known composers from this country, and still fewer when one discounts 'Soviet'-type composers. The composer of this piece is usually seen as the father of classical music in his country; he was the first non-European admitted into the International Music Society, of which he was a founder. This piece comes from a collection simply called 'Dances'

No 51 - Mark correctly guessed that this piece is Czech, from the inclusion of the Hussite Chorale; I've added that the defiant spirit of that Chorale is important in this piece, which comes from a time of repression and was written by a composer certainly to be counted among the most repressed. He was Janacek's finest pupil, and really his only follower, stylistically, though his music has it own individual voice too.

No 52 - this is the one written by a composer better-known for something else - music was only really a hobby for him, though he saw himself as fundamentally a composer. As I said, to the general public his name is somewhat associated with Beethoven's Ninth, Rossini's William Tell overture and various other pieces of classical music. His life was riddled with quotable bits of trivia - culling a few: he gave the eulogy at Benny Hill's funeral; attacked by muggers in NYC he fended them off with a swordstick; he considered the composer Derek Bourgeois to be his alter-ego etc. etc. etc. He wrote a screenplay for a Bond film, which has been given the following synopsis:

QuoteIt revolved around an organisation called CHAOS (Consortium for the Hastening of the Annihilation of Organised Society). CHAOS has accumulated enough money to achieve its plans and is now concentrating on power for its own sake. It blackmails international figures into humiliating themselves by terrorism. During the proposed opening sequence, an airliner full of passengers is exploded as it takes off, CHAOS's response to the Pope's refusal to personally whitewash the Sistine Chapel. Bond discovers a plot to implant 'micro-nukes' in appendectomy patients, the aim being to blow up Sydney Opera House during a visit by international royals and presidents (this atrocity being in response to the US President's refusal to masturbate on live TV)

Strangely enough, a different plot was chosen for the final film. He is, to put it mildly, eminently quotable, and it would be easy and fun to spend all day unearthing gems, but I suppose I should plough on.

No 53 - as I said, an early, unrecorded work by a major composer. The text, as you can see, is from the Corpus Christi Carol, set by, among others, Britten, though this is evidently not him. The title of this text might help you with the title of this piece, however.

No 54 - This composer has already had a piece on this thread. This one, if you can't see, is a piece for five percussionist and orchestra; I already gave the clue that you could think who these five percussionists are - the answer is Nexus, who commissioned and gave the premiere of this piece. Though one would imagine this piece to be quite obscure, it was recorded by the BBC and released as part of a free BBC Music Magazine CD, and when I'm trawling charity shops for CDs, I see this issue more than almost any other. So it seems that this piece (or its coupling, the Walton 1st Symph) isn't to general tastes. Which is a shame, as it makes an utterly beautiful sound, though not, I think, amongst its composer's finest works, formally.

No 55 - If I say this composer was the son-in-law of an even more famous composer, will that be saying too much?

No 57 - The main truism about this composer is that he could have been even more successful had he not been lazy. He is essentially a composer of exquisite miniatures, whether for solo piano or for orchestra, the latter often using folk tunes or folk tales as a starting point (as indeed is the case in this example). In some respects (and only some) he is comparable to the early, Chopinesque Scriabin - fondness for extreme key signatures, tiny wraithlike piano pieces (often Preludes, a la Scriabin) etc.

No 58 - Larry's nearly got this - a male voice piece by Schoenberg; surely a little searching will reveal the title. It's an awesome work, in its own way.

No 59 and 60 - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of ..........esque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. The two pieces also share the same title, a generic title common to their model, and also to his model.

No 61 - A piece by this well-known composer has already been used on this thread. Strangely enough, it took longer to guess than most, even though the piece it came from is much-recorded and pretty famous. This present piece is nothing like it, stylistically, looking more like Medtner, I suppose, than the common view of this composer, but it is actually just as typical of him.


No 62 - An extremely prolific, well-known composer. The harmonic nature of the big pile-up of chords in the centre of the page reveal a technique of which this composer was an early and famous exponent (he is really the textbook example, I suppose). The work itself is simply a non-programmatic piece in a standard form.

No 63 - Look at the melody line carefully: you will almost certainly know it; on line 3 it transfers itself to the top of the left hand

No 64 - Look at the melody line.....no, just kidding. This is quite a notorious piece, partly just for the look of it. It's one of the earlier 'complexity' works, and still one of the most breathtaking to look at, and, indeed, in its bold, no-holds-barred conception. The composer has already been used as an example on this thread; you might be able to recognise the handwriting, though it's somewhat messier and more spindly on this score.

No 65 - we've had Chopin, Szymanowski and Scriabin as guesses for this piece, and its true composer is every bit as well known as them, though this piece is practically unknown. There is a melodic similarity to one of this composer's much more famous works, in line four especially.

No 67 - The wandering chordal progressions in this piece are very typical of this composer, a man who once informed a woman that he was breaking off their relationship by asking the police to set a guard on his house to keep her away. He also had two grand pianos, one on top of the other, neither of which he used for composing (and the top one of which he used to store unsolicited post). He was also the head of the Metropolitan Church of Art of Jesus the Conductor.


And here, just to start things off neatly, I repost again the fully-hyperlinked list as-it-stands:


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
     Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Steve:
1 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)(unconfirmed)
8 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)(unconfirmed)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2007, 07:31:37 AM
g11, g12- a Japanese composer wrote these. Don't think too hard. Do a little internet searching, you might find them online (that's where i found them).
g15- this is by a German composer who is the 2009 judge for the composing competition of the composer of g11/g12. Once you find out who this is, do a google image search and you might find the score
g17- who are the 2 "founders" of spectral music? the initials of the title of the whole work is "LEA" (in French), and it's composed by one of these two (it's a very long work, btw)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2007, 07:38:13 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 02, 2007, 02:14:43 PM
LO 28 - especially heard in context, a really breathtaking piece of orchestration, IMO
when i heard Roman Festivals on the radio a long time ago, i was just amazed.....  up there with the Rite of Spring, even, one of the best orchestrations ever.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:39:40 AM
Quote from: greg on September 19, 2007, 07:31:37 AM
g11, g12- a Japanese composer wrote these. Don't think too hard. Do a little internet searching, you might find them online (that's where i found them).
g15- this is by a German composer who is the 2009 judge for the composing competition of the composer of g11/g12. Once you find out who this is, do a google image search and you might find the score
g17- who are the 2 "founders" of spectral music? the initials of the title of the whole work is "LEA" (in French), and it's composed by one of these two (it's a very long work, btw)

Ah, so 17 is Les Espaces Acoustiques by Grisey, I assume? (the thing about the founders of spectral music is confusing, mind you, as that very much depends on who you read and what you think of as spectral!)

I'll think about the others in a minute - I think a pupil is coming.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:41:28 AM
to be more precise, Partiels, from Les Espaces Acoustiques, I guess.

(the pupil hasn't arrived yet!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:44:11 AM
Hmm, I never looked closely enough at 12 - is that November Steps (Takemitsu)? (I once ordered that score, but it never arrived).

In which case, is 11 one of the graphic scores he (apparently) gives the Biwa and Shakuhachi soloists in the same piece? Or maybe I'm misremembering.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:46:03 AM
That may make the remaining one (15) Lachenmann, a composer I know too little of. Is that right?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 07:57:58 AM
Wild guess - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2007, 09:34:02 AM
wow, you just got 3 of them, Luke!  :o
just a little research and you should be able to find out that Takemitsu piece pretty easily
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 10:55:03 AM
Are both my Takemitsu guesses wrong? If not, which one is the wrong one - I'm guessing the graphic score one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 10:58:47 AM
Ring? (a wild stab in the dark)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 20, 2007, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2007, 10:55:03 AM
Are both my Takemitsu guesses wrong? If not, which one is the wrong one - I'm guessing the graphic score one.
you got the Grisey, Lachenmann, and November Steps right, the graphic one is not Ring. Different instrument. Notice that i didn't put an s after instrument.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 20, 2007, 10:12:16 AM
Corona? Crossing? Equinox?.....

but I get the feeling we're the only ones playing at the moment. A shame. :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 20, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 20, 2007, 10:12:16 AM
Corona? Crossing? Equinox?.....

but I get the feeling we're the only ones playing at the moment. A shame. :(
yeah, Corona i think
i think this thread will pick back up, just give it some time
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 21, 2007, 05:17:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 20, 2007, 10:12:16 AM
Corona? Crossing? Equinox?.....

but I get the feeling we're the only ones playing at the moment. A shame. :(


Maybe I'll have more time for it this weekend. One of our best threads ever.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 21, 2007, 05:37:19 PM
if we get bored of this thread, we could do a mystery clips thread....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 21, 2007, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: greg on September 21, 2007, 05:37:19 PM
if we get bored of this thread, we could do a mystery clips thread....

I have the impression I'm about to start one through brianrein.  :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2007, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: greg on September 21, 2007, 05:37:19 PM
if we get bored of this thread, we could do a mystery clips thread....

I'm afraid you might have to count me out of that one. Dial-up could well make it a little tiresome for me...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: m_gigena on September 22, 2007, 10:49:32 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2007, 09:28:40 AM
I'm afraid you might have to count me out of that one.

Sure? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3544.msg85046.html#msg85046)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2007, 11:00:16 AM
Yes, I think so. If I got involved, I'd probably find it nearly as addictive as I found/am finding (which tense is correct?) this thread.* So waiting for downloads etc would be a real pain.

*possibly slightly less as I find scores visually fascinating to ponder over - potential clues lurk in so many facets of the image (musical style, handwriting, instrumentation, print style....). You can look at leisure, take your time to examine small details, zoom in and out, compare other scores.... whereas listening to clips is a somewhat more frustrating exercise in this respect, as it basically involves playing and replaying and perhaps hunting for particular sections of the music over and over. Just my personal taste, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 01:24:05 PM
Hello? Anybody here?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 02, 2007, 01:28:10 PM
Yes, me. Patiently waiting - and waiting, and waiting - for others to decide to revisit this best of threads again.

Please look on the previous page for clues to my last remaining ones. Some easy ones there, I think you'll agree.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:09:21 PM
Why, aren't those the same that you put up before I even left? 0:) :P

He, he - always liked a good challenge. Here's my first guess:

LO 50
The Erezeroumi Shoror from Dances for piano by the Armenian composer Komitas Vardapet!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
LO 51
Another easy one! :P
Suite for Oboe and Piano by Pavel Haas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
LO 52:
Anthony Burgess    - Concertino for cor anglais and orchestra (1987)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 02, 2007, 03:44:00 PM
LO 67:
Satie - Messe des Pauvres

I'll take a break now... Perhaps I'll post a few unguessable ones of mine own tomorrow... >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 02, 2007, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 02, 2007, 01:28:10 PM
Yes, me. Patiently waiting - and waiting, and waiting - for others to decide to revisit this best of threads again.

It was kind of hard to respond when the site had crashed for three days.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 02, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
Yes, Maciek, these are the same ones as were up before you left!

And of course these three guesses are correct. I told you my clues made these easy (in the case of the Burgess and the Satie, lots of silly trivia to point you in the right direction for a little Googling etc.), because I want them to be found quickly - they've been hanging around for far too long. Which is why I've been surprised they haven't been guessed yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 03, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
LO 61 Respighi - Violin Sonata in B Minor
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 03, 2007, 02:40:17 PM
Nice. That's one of the trickier ones IMO
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 03, 2007, 03:15:20 PM
I feel the trickier one must be no. 63. I'm positive I know it, and yet I just can't place it........... :-\ Is it really a solo piano piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 03, 2007, 03:23:38 PM
Yes, it's for solo piano. It's a piece with an essential Polish connection, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 03, 2007, 03:26:39 PM
And don't forget my clue - just look at the tune, which ought to be deep in your blood. At the top of the page it is in the top voice, but we join it halfway through. It changes to the top of the left hand on the third line, and at this point you can see the beginning of the tune again.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 03, 2007, 04:11:57 PM
Well, it seems I'm a bit stuck. Nos. 63-65 I find the most annoying... >:( Let's see if the night brings any illumination... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 07:29:08 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 03, 2007, 04:11:57 PM
Well, it seems I'm a bit stuck. Nos. 63-65 I find the most annoying... >:( Let's see if the night brings any illumination... ::)

Well, let me see how I can help...

63 - what more can I say: it has a very well-known theme which I have pointed out to you, though the theme may not be familiar in this treatment.

64 - like I said, a composer already used on this thread. What school/style of music would you file this under? Therefore, which composer must it be? What notorious (and relatively early) piece could it be? Another composer, equally or more well-known, and belonging to the same school, wrote a typically dense analysis of this piece which is very interesting. This score can be found online, as you can see, but not at IMSLP.

65 - an extremely well-known composer (we're talking 'world's greatest composers' famous), but a little-known piece, not included in any collections I've seen of his. The composer is who it sounds like, and again I point you to line 4 in particular for a point where he almost quotes another of his pieces (much better-known) for the same instrument. (I'm not being obscure here - that instrument is the piano!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 07:29:08 AM
Well, let me see how I can help...

63 - what more can I say: it has a very well-known theme which I have pointed out to you, though the theme may not be familiar in this treatment.

64 - like I said, a composer already used on this thread. What school/style of music would you file this under? Therefore, which composer must it be? What notorious (and relatively early) piece could it be? Another composer, equally or more well-known, and belonging to the same school, wrote a typically dense analysis of this piece which is very interesting. This score can be found online, as you can see, but not at IMSLP.

65 - an extremely well-known composer (we're talking 'world's greatest composers' famous), but a little-known piece, not included in any collections I've seen of his. The composer is who it sounds like, and again I point you to line 4 in particular for a point where he almost quotes another of his pieces (much better-known) for the same instrument. (I'm not being obscure here - that instrument is the piano!)

So thought I could take a stab at these, but to no luck.  Thought 63 might be one of the Brahms variations given the polyrhythms,  64 is a Ferneyhough piece - Sonatas for String Quartet or the 2nd SQ perhaps?  Thought 65 was Debussy or perhaps Ravel, but struck out there
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:33:55 AM
Here is one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:34:36 AM
And a couple of easier ones
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 04, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:34:36 AM
And a couple of easier ones

The top one is the Bartok 4th quartet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on October 04, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
The top one is the Bartok 4th quartet.

Yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 10:16:12 AM
This should be easy as well
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2007, 10:17:44 AM
Love BVW1 - it's hilarious. Have no idea what it is though...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
In the same vein as 4
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 04, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
Celli in Le sacre, the Augures printanières
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 11:10:36 AM
obviously not the original score
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 11:31:48 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 04, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
Celli in Le sacre, the Augures printanières

Yes, that one was too easy
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 11:33:08 AM
working backwards...


no 6 = Giant Steps, I think

no 5 Karl got there first

no 4 = mandolin [?] part of one of Webern's op 10 pieces

no 3 = Falla's Homenaje a Debussy (note quotation from Soiree dans Grenade)

no 2 Larry got there first

no 1 = possibly that silly thing whose full name escapes me but which has something to do with fairies
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 11:40:48 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 11:33:08 AM
working backwards...


no 6 = Giant Steps, I think

no 5 Karl got there first

no 4 = mandolin [?] part of one of Webern's op 10 pieces

no 3 = Falla's Homenaje a Debussy (note quotation from Soiree dans Grenade)

no 2 Larry got there first

no 1 = possibly that silly thing whose full name escapes me but which has something to do with fairies

Right on all but 1 (that is a common misattribution - it is not the Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 04, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
#64 is Finnissy's Song 9, analysed by Ferneyhough in '78.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
Ah, OK - that was the one I was thinking of. Don't know the title of this one, though it looks familiar.

As for your guesses on mine:

Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:12:09 AM
So thought I could take a stab at these, but to no luck.  Thought 63 might be one of the Brahms variations given the polyrhythms,  64 is a Ferneyhough piece - Sonatas for String Quartet or the 2nd SQ perhaps?  Thought 65 was Debussy or perhaps Ravel, but struck out there

63 isn't Brahms - I chose a page where the melody is clear, but actually on preceding pages the polyrhythms here are exceeded in complexity. It is really a stunning little jewel of a piece, one of my favourite from the set it is drawn from (another mini clue)

64 isn't Ferneyhough, though you are right in that is it is clearly 'New Complexity'. I said that a composer possibly even better-known than the composer of this piece had written an analysis of it - and that analyst-composer is Ferneyhough This piece is actually a good deal more improbably complex and less rationally notated than any Ferneyhough piece for piano, which is the instrument for which it is written. You are forgiven for thinking it was a Quartet, however! (FWIW, the Ferneyhough Sonatas for String Quartet are a much simpler score than this - scarcely a nested tuplet in sight, in fact, though still complexity enough to make most ensembles cower in their boots)

[edit] ah - I see matticus has just correctly identified this piece, making the above superfluous! Yes, it's Finnissy's ne plus ultra, Song 9.

65, believe it or not, is one of Debussy or Ravel - well done! In both cases, we tend to think that their complete piano works can be fairly neatly sewn up, but actually both composers have odd little miniatures like this one floating around which are almost unknown.

Don't forget, though, there are more than these three remaining - take a look on page 42 for the full list plus clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2007, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
65, believe it or not, is one of Debussy or Ravel

I felt it could be Ravel all along but I'm almost certain I know all of Ravel's piano solo music. So, even though it looks and sounds more like Ravel to me, I'm voting for Debussy. (Besides, the "quote" thing seems to be pointing to Debussy. I think. ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 12:45:19 PM
A common thread here
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 12:53:18 PM
no 7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanole (Sevilla)

no 9 - I'm going for a Scarlatti sonata, though I will have to search for which one it might be

and yes, Maciek, it is Debussy. The 'quote' (no such thing really, it's just a similarity) being from La plus que lente, to my eyes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2007, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 12:53:18 PM
and yes, Maciek, it is Debussy. The 'quote' (no such thing really, it's just a similarity) being from La plus que lente, to my eyes.

Yes, La plus que lente is what I see there too. And I think something else too - but now I can't remember what it was and don't see it anymore. Hopefully it will come back. Quite a surprise though, to see lean textures like these in Debussy - and such an easy piece...! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 04, 2007, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 11:31:48 AM
Yes, that one was too easy

Trust me to nab the one that's too easy  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 01:24:07 PM
Steve's no 9 is the Scarlatti sonata given the Longo Number S3, which according to my chart translates a K 513
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2007, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 04, 2007, 01:13:22 PM
Yes, La plus que lente is what I see there too. And I think something else too - but now I can't remember what it was and don't see it anymore. Hopefully it will come back. Quite a surprise though, to see lean textures like these in Debussy - and such an easy piece...! ;D

Well, amongst those other lesser Debussy piano pieces there's the tragic, late Elegie, which is similarly spare. And of course, slightly better known, there's the Berceuse Heroique, and the Hommage to Haydn, mature miniature masterpieces both. Also a Morceau de Concours which is interesting, a sort of mix of whole tone fanfares and Minstrels-like gruppeti. This piece, then, is none of these, which may help!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 04, 2007, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 04, 2007, 09:33:55 AM
Here is one
i've seen that before......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 08:13:14 AM
Luke - you are correct on the Scarlatti and Albeniz

Your 54 is Takemitsu's Vers, L'arc-en-ciel, Palma?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 10:30:15 AM
No, but it is Takemitsu. Remember, a concertante piece for five solo percussionists and orchestra.

Given that this thread seems perhaps to have taken off again, shall I TTT the updated list again?

(I'll take that as a yes):

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11- Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - ? - (Steve/Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 10:30:15 AM
No, but it is Takemitsu. Remember, a concertante piece for five solo percussionists and orchestra.



OK then From Me Flows What You Call Time

I was focused on the Oboe of Luv

I need to get a recording of this piece - it is the big gap in my Takemitsu CD collection
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 05, 2007, 01:19:54 PM
BWV1:
John Stump - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 11:28:07 AM
OK then From Me Flows What You Call Time

I was focused on the Oboe of Luv

I need to get a recording of this piece - it is the big gap in my Takemitsu CD collection

Which one - From Me....or Vers l'arc-en- ciel? I used to have the latter, but not any more; I do have a copy of the former. It is in some respects about as sonically stunning and seductive as music gets, but not as tight as Takemitsu's best. As I said in an earlier post, I've seen quite a few copies of the BBC music magazine disc with this piece on knocking around in various charity shops (i.e. here in the UK) - unfortunately, it seems to be one which people get rid of! I'll try to remember to pick it up for you next time I see it.

And of course, yes, you are right with this answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 04:18:47 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 05, 2007, 01:19:54 PM
BWV1:
John Stump - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident)

yep

Still one of mine unguessed although the common thread of which I spoke should be obvious from the other two pieces
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 04:59:08 PM
Two More
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 06:46:37 PM
11 is Bauce Cordier's Belle Bonne - one I remember from my Larousse encyclopedia!

10 looks familiar, but I can't quite place it yet - something for tape, I think. Stockhausen.......??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 06:56:56 PM
....no, perhaps not.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 07:07:14 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 05, 2007, 04:18:47 PM
yep

Still one of mine unguessed although the common thread of which I spoke should be obvious from the other two pieces

The Spanish element, yes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2007, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 05, 2007, 06:56:56 PM
....no, perhaps not.....

no, let me go back to my original instinct - I think this is Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 06, 2007, 04:58:09 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2007, 03:56:15 PM
no, let me go back to my original instinct - I think this is Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge?

Yep
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2007, 11:36:25 PM
Does that monosyllable imply that my guess for the other one (Bauce Cordier: Belle Bonne) is wrong? (I checked in the Larousse and that's certainly the composer/name that score is given there).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:02:27 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2007, 11:36:25 PM
Does that monosyllable imply that my guess for the other one (Bauce Cordier: Belle Bonne) is wrong? (I checked in the Larousse and that's certainly the composer/name that score is given there).


No, it is the Baude Cordier Belle Bonne Sage.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:04:38 PM
Another
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
13
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:05:34 PM
14
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:06:02 PM
15
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:07:05 PM
16
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matti on October 07, 2007, 12:17:18 PM
14: Szymanowski?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: matti on October 07, 2007, 12:17:18 PM
14: Szymanowski?

nope
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 01:10:47 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 12:04:38 PM
Another

Stravinsky Octet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:12:34 PM
I'm going to assume that my mis-spelt (misremembered) guess at BWV 11 was close enough to count!

12 - I thought part of this looked like Poulenc (reminded me of part of his Sinfonietta), but closer inspection leads me to: Stravinsky - Octet

14 looks to me like Carter, which would, I think, make it Changes or Shard. I think I'll guess the latter, for now.

working on the others....

edit - Larry got there first on the Stravinsky. Did you use the same method as me Larry?  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:28:46 PM
Wild guess at 16, based on the Bach quotation only, though the style elsewhere looks about right too: Smith Brindle: Variants on Two Themes of JS Bach
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:33:54 PM
No 13 - Brouwer: La Espiral eterna (wonderful stuff!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:33:54 PM
No 13 - Brouwer: La Espiral eterna (wonderful stuff!)

Yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:47:31 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 01:10:47 PM
Stravinsky Octet.

Yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:28:46 PM
Wild guess at 16, based on the Bach quotation only, though the style elsewhere looks about right too: Smith Brindle: Variants on Two Themes of JS Bach

No
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:12:34 PMt

14 looks to me like Carter, which would, I think, make it Changes or Shard. I think I'll guess the latter, for now.


It is one of the two.  The gestures in passage copied is the inspiration for the title
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
It is one of the two.  The gestures in passage copied is the inspiration for the title

OK then, it is Changes. Looks like the music example of that piece in Schiff, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:24:27 PM
OK then, it is Changes. Looks like the music example of that piece in Schiff, too.

Correct
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:49:27 PM
OK, I have quite a few left, but it seems that no one wants to guess at them at the moment - I must say I'm quite surprised, as I'd have thought most of them were gettable with the clues I've given. However, I might as well give out a few more whilst waiting.

LO No 69 - an awesome passage from an awesome piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:50:31 PM
LO 70
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:53:34 PM
LO 71 - one for Guido, when he returns to the thread. The beginning of the coda of this clever and fun piece, based on - believe it or not - Donna Summer's I Feel Love!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:56:57 PM
LO 72
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:02:35 PM
LO 73
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:03:28 PM
LO 74
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:11:25 PM
LO 75
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 03:12:44 PM
LO 76
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 01:12:34 PM
edit - Larry got there first on the Stravinsky. Did you use the same method as me Larry?  ;)

Not knowing what method you used, Luke, I would say yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 02:49:27 PM
OK, I have quite a few left, but it seems that no one wants to guess at them at the moment

Not a matter of not wanting, just preoccupied with other things.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 03:56:11 PM
76 is Messiaen - Couleurs de la Cité céleste? (don't see the piano though)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:06:27 PM
That's because it isn't Couleurs... but you've got the right composer, and the right period. This page exhibits a technique which he didn't use elsewhere AFAIK (unless it's buried in St Francois somewhere) and which otherwise is most closely associated with Schumann, of all people.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 04:08:02 PM
70- Schoenberg's String Sextet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 03:52:54 PM
Not knowing what method you used, Luke, I would say yes.

Good, thought so. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 04:08:02 PM
70- Schoenberg's String Sextet?

No. I think this is the only piece written for this combination of instruments, but it is fairly well-known. A gorgeous work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:06:27 PM
That's because it isn't Couleurs... but you've got the right composer, and the right period. This page exhibits a technique which he didn't use elsewhere AFAIK (unless it's buried in St Francois somewhere) and which otherwise is most closely associated with Schumann, of all people.

Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum then? 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 07, 2007, 04:55:58 PM
That's the one. And the unusual technique on this page is what Messiaen calls 'melodie par manques' - that is, the illusion of a melodic line is created by the notes of a chord disappearing; the memory of each note, after it is gone, is what produces the impression of melody (though Messiaen helps this along by giving each note a little crescendo before it is cut off)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:18:05 PM
Another batch

BWV17
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:18:33 PM
bwv18
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:19:06 PM
bwv19
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:19:35 PM
bwv20
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:20:10 PM
bwv21
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:19:06 PM
bwv19


That's Liszt's Nuages Gris.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 07, 2007, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 07, 2007, 05:20:10 PM
bwv21

BWV21, of course.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 08, 2007, 07:49:13 AM
Larry got the two I knew, so I've had to research a little. But, based on the scordatura in no 18 - Manuel Ponce: Sonata Meridional


(And btw, a nice page on it here (http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/Frary/ponce_sonatinas.htm) whose music examples tend to confirm my answer!   ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 08, 2007, 07:58:40 AM
Yes it is the Sonata Meridional.

Did you all really know BWV21 cantata from sight, or just guess at the ruse?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 08, 2007, 09:22:12 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 08, 2007, 07:58:40 AM
Yes it is the Sonata Meridional.

Did you all really know BWV21 cantata from sight, or just guess at the ruse?

A good magician never reveals how he performs his tricks. But since I'm not much of a magician . . . .

It was obviously Bach, and the title Sinfonia meant it was obviously a cantata. So I tried to find a list of all Bach cantatas with sinfonias, which was easy, and then looked at the incipits to find a suitably mournful text. Once I had narrowed that down to a few candidates, I checked the scores, easily found the piece, and then the ruse fell into place.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 08, 2007, 10:06:22 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 08, 2007, 07:58:40 AM
Yes it is the Sonata Meridional.

Did you all really know BWV21 cantata from sight, or just guess at the ruse?

In my case, I knew it was Bach, and it looked very familiar - I knew it was on one of the more sorrowful-themed Cantata CDs I have, and I also knew that BWV 21 was the most likely. However, I wasn't thinking in terms of BWV numbers, I just had 'sense' of which work it was, without that work's actual name and number coming to mind, so I didn't notice your hidden message! I was going to go to that CD and play through the likely tracks, but Larry came up trumps first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 08, 2007, 03:30:27 PM
I couldn't find the place in the score from one listen through of the last movement, but my best guess would be Gulda's outrageous and hilarious cello concerto - instrumentation seems right too... But given that I can't find the place in the recording, I'm really not sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 08, 2007, 11:28:45 PM
No, it isn't that. I will be delighted if this is a bit of the repertoire you don't know yet - you'll like this piece. I'll cobble together some clues later, but a brief description of the piece: movement 1 is somewhat based on Mood Indigo (it is a 'New York' piece); movement 2 is more 'west coast', with minimalist tendencies, a crazy cadenza and then this disco coda. Sounds bonkers, but its actually a very effective piece and not at all jokey to my mind.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 09, 2007, 12:27:41 AM
The composer of the piece:

died in the early 1990s, younger than was fair.

was composer in residence at my old college, but a long time before I was there

his last piece was an 'apotheosis of the march' for brass quintet, in which the five players are called on to impersonate Margaret Thatcher, Stalin, Che Guevara, Hitler and Mao Tse Tung, using props such as hand-bag, beret, tunic, moustache....

was on a Peel Session in the late 60s (one week after the day my sister was born, so it seems, if that helps  ;D ), on which he played a selection from Cage's Sonatas and Interludes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 09, 2007, 10:16:37 AM
LO 73 looks like it must be from the Book of Elements but I can't place it -- is it from Book II?

BWV20 is the fugue from BWV 997, a very beautiful piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 09, 2007, 11:14:05 AM
Aha - no 73 is a bit of a party piece. It isn't the Book of Elements (though that's a score I wish I had). A couple of big hints:

1) try to play it through. You will find it not hard but, strictly speaking, impossible

2) as you try to play it through, try not to accent at the barlines. Let the music speak for itself. You will probably find you know it very well indeed. The whole piece works in the way that you ought to discover, so that at the end not a stone is left unturned; the cumulative effect is, in context, rather moving, strangely enough.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 09, 2007, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: matticus on October 09, 2007, 10:16:37 AM

BWV20 is the fugue from BWV 997, a very beautiful piece.

Correct - its one of my favorite Bach fugues
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 09, 2007, 11:37:53 AM
I don't know that piece at all, even with all the composer clues. I am excited to find out what it is.

Do you know the Gulda concerto? - its a hoot!

EDIT: A little bit of googling, and I will gues the composer is Tim Souster. I haven't heard of him, or the cello piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 09, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 09, 2007, 11:37:53 AM
EDIT: A little bit of googling, and I will gues the composer is Tim Souster. I haven't heard of him, or the cello piece.

That's some nice Googling! Correct - he's a very interesting figure, right at the heart of the Stockhausen phenomenon in the 60s and 70s, and an innovator in his own right, though this piece shows neither to any extent (also like the idea of him performing on Peel). The name of the piece shouldn't be too hard to find.

Nice to know I've got a quality cello+ensemble piece you don't know, Guido - there aren't too many of them around! To keep up your appetite, here's a low quality sample of the end of the last movement, including the page which I used for my example. I've started at the end of the 'minimalist' section; the music breaks off abruptly into a series of tongue-in-cheek, gestural, avant-garde poses, before momentum builds up (over ostinati on Morrocan pottery drums). This too breaks off into the Donna Summer-inspired 'Disco coda'.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 09, 2007, 03:43:14 PM
Is it just called Sonata?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 04:02:53 AM
Certainly is. Nice and simple.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 04:46:31 AM
I gave big clues to all my left-overs a while ago, and whilst some were found, I'm very conscious of having some last dregs remaining. I'm not sure if everyone's seen those clues, so here they are again, with even more information added in places.

44  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)  - we've established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I'll add that he is one of those much-lamented 'died-too-soon' composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I'll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer's output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an 'Eastern' title. I don't think I can give more clues than this.

53  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947) - as I said, an early, unrecorded work by a major composer. The text, as you can see, is from the Corpus Christi Carol, set by, among others, Britten, though this is evidently not him. The title of this text might help you with the title of this piece, however. The piece is English, though I hope that is evident and dates, IIRC, from the 50s

55  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) - If I say this composer was the son-in-law of an even more famous composer, will that be saying too much? Well, he was, the junior partner of possibly the best-known father/son-in-law parternship in composition; his most famous work is in part a memorial to his father-in-law, and in part a memorial to his wife. This example isn't from that work, but from a slightly later, and very wonderful piece. It is taken from the third movement, and the instrumentation in that movement is much reduced from that in the rest of the piece.

57  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) - The main truism about this composer is that he could have been even more successful had he not been lazy. He is essentially a composer of exquisite miniatures, whether for solo piano or for orchestra, the latter often using folk tunes or folk tales as a starting point (as indeed is the case in this example). In some respects (and only some) he is comparable to the early, Chopinesque Scriabin - fondness for extreme key signatures, tiny wraithlike piano pieces (often Preludes, a la Scriabin) etc. An extra couple of clues - he is Russian, and a year off being an exact contemporary of my favourite composer.

58  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953) - Larry's nearly got this - a male voice piece by Schoenberg; surely a little searching will reveal the title. It's an awesome work, in its own way.

59 and  60  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539) - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of ..........esque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. The two pieces also share the same title, a generic title common to their model, and also to his model. Extra clue - the 'model' I am talking had extreme religious delusions, but, at the height of his God-complex he died of a boil on the lip.

62  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - An extremely prolific, well-known composer. The harmonic nature of the big pile-up of chords in the centre of the page reveal a technique of which this composer was an early and famous exponent (he is really the textbook example, I suppose). The work itself is simply a non-programmatic piece in a standard form.

63  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - Look at the melody line carefully: you will almost certainly know it; on line 3 it transfers itself to the top of the left hand. Extra clue - the melody you are looking for is by another composer than the composer of this work (i.e. the work is based on another piece); also, that earlier piece is by a Polish composer.

65  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541) - a little-known piano piece by Debussy, it has been determined. Remember where the best collections of scores online are to be found and root around....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 10, 2007, 05:35:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 04:46:31 AM
57  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) -
An extra couple of clues - he is Russian, and a year off being an exact contemporary of my favourite composer.

Lyadov?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 10, 2007, 05:43:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 04:46:31 AM


55  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) - If I say this composer was the son-in-law of an even more famous composer, will that be saying too much? Well, he was, the junior partner of possibly the best-known father/son-in-law parternship in composition; his most famous work is in part a memorial to his father-in-law, and in part a memorial to his wife. This example isn't from that work, but from a slightly later, and very wonderful piece. It is taken from the third movement, and the instrumentation in that movement is much reduced from that in the rest of the piece.

57  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) - The main truism about this composer is that he could have been even more successful had he not been lazy. He is essentially a composer of exquisite miniatures, whether for solo piano or for orchestra, the latter often using folk tunes or folk tales as a starting point (as indeed is the case in this example). In some respects (and only some) he is comparable to the early, Chopinesque Scriabin - fondness for extreme key signatures, tiny wraithlike piano pieces (often Preludes, a la Scriabin) etc. An extra couple of clues - he is Russian, and a year off being an exact contemporary of my favourite composer.

Based on these clues, it sounds like Suk and Liadov. I apologize for being too lazy to check to see if anyone has guessed these composers yet.  Of course I have no ideas about the identity of the pieces.

I'm lazy today.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 05:47:12 AM
Yep, that's right, guys - 55 = Suk; 57 = Liadov. Told you they were easy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 10, 2007, 05:58:17 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 04:46:31 AM
63  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - Look at the melody line carefully: you will almost certainly know it; on line 3 it transfers itself to the top of the left hand. Extra clue - the melody you are looking for is by another composer than the composer of this work (i.e. the work is based on another piece); also, that earlier piece is by a Polish composer.

Argh! This is so irritating! >:( I wish there was some way I could drag over my monitor to the piano so I could actually really hear what this sounds like... I'll just go and leaf through my Chopin scores to see if he's guilty of being the prototype... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 02:04:45 PM
.....and?

;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 11, 2007, 12:19:53 PM
Please forgive another new one - I just discovered this one, and thought I'd share...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 01:41:29 PM
Alfredo Casella - A la Maniere de..., Premiere Serie, Op. 17

Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2007, 02:04:45 PM
.....and?

;)

Sorry, still haven't had the time to do it... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 11, 2007, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 01:41:29 PM
Alfredo Casella - A la Maniere de..., Premiere Serie, Op. 17

yes, but a la maniere de qui?  ;D  ;D

Quote from: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 01:41:29 PMSorry, still haven't had the time to do it... :-\

How weird - you get the one I thought was hard straight away, but the one I think is one of the easiest is proving trickier...

you were on the right lines, BTW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 02:42:16 PM
I'm sure I'll be slapping my head real hard when I, or someone else figures it out. Right now I'm at the stage of "I know I know it - I just can't recognize it at the moment". ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 04:14:59 PM
OK, believe it or not but I had no idea Godowsky's transcriptions were such an enormously thick volume (re the first clue you gave us) - that really had me searching in the wrong direction. Plus, of course, the Chopin's Studies happened to be one of the last volumes I leafed through - and you deliberately chose the LAST ONE! Argh! ;) (I actually suspected some sort of foul play, and went for all the odd meters first... ::))

It was great fun, actually! 8) :D

My answer:
LO 63 - Leopold Godowsky - Studies after Frederic Chopin - Trois Etudes... No. 2, First Version (Second Version, not all that different, is for the left hand alone :o :o :o :o :o)
based on Chopin's A flat Major, actually no. 3, from Trois nouvelles etudes

If I'll be playing through anything at all this week - it will most certainly have to be the original of this one! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 12, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 11, 2007, 12:19:53 PM
Please forgive another new one - I just discovered this one, and thought I'd share...
uhhhhhhh
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:01:50 PM
Luke has almost posted a hundred already, and I've only posted 10 so far. So I figure it's about time added some more of those nationally challenged scores of mine. Coming up in a moment...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:41:49 PM
16 of them in all. Here are the first 5.

MM11
MM11 is one of the most beautiful pieces of contemporary music I've heard recently - I was a bit obsessed with it for a while recently. It is played extremely slowly (this is page four of the score, and it begins past the fourth minute of the piece!). The piece quotes a certain composition by a certain very, very famous composer extensively. MM11 is one in a series, all written using a similar "technique".
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM11.jpg)

MM12
This is not my favorite piece by this composer but I've come to appreciate it much more recently. And it is certainly the most interesting of his scores that I've seen. If you've ever heard the piece it won't take you a minute to recognize the sung melody noted in the middle of the page. Incidentally, the composer of MM13 has also written a large piece which has a section with very similar melodic elements (at least to my ear). I think they both quoted from the same (folk) material but am not sure.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM12.jpg)

MM13
This piece contains lots of minuscule quotes from a certain composer, most of them difficult to notice at first. One especially blatant one is the last couple of notes before the strings come in...  The quotes won't lead you to the composer or title of this piece straight away but at least you'll get a hint at the subtitle of it. :P
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM13.jpg)

MM14
I've left a major clue here so I don't think any comment will be necessary.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM14.jpg)

MM15
What you may take to be some sort of lead here, may in fact turn out to be very misleading... How's that for a cryptic clue? ;D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM15.jpg)
OK, a bit more: young composer. I'm not really that much of a fan, and this piece isn't exactly a masterpiece - but I love the way it manages to look relatively simple while it is at times very complex rhythmically (well, perhaps not on this page...).

Next 5 coming up in a sec.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 01:45:09 PM
[whilst Maciek's new ones are loading!]


Quote from: Maciek on October 11, 2007, 04:14:59 PM
OK, believe it or not but I had no idea Godowsky's transcriptions were such an enormously thick volume (re the first clue you gave us) - that really had me searching in the wrong direction. Plus, of course, the Chopin's Studies happened to be one of the last volumes I leafed through - and you deliberately chose the LAST ONE! Argh! ;) (I actually suspected some sort of foul play, and went for all the odd meters first... ::))

It was great fun, actually! 8) :D

My answer:
LO 63 - Leopold Godowsky - Studies after Frederic Chopin - Trois Etudes... No. 2, First Version (Second Version, not all that different, is for the left hand alone :o :o :o :o :o)
based on Chopin's A flat Major, actually no. 3, from Trois nouvelles etudes

If I'll be playing through anything at all this week - it will most certainly have to be the original of this one! 8)

Yes, this is it of course - obvious in retrospect, isn't it?

Actually, I think this first version is a lot harder than the left hand only one, and also, obviously, much more sophisticated - one of the finest of the whole set. Godowsky's elaborations are often maligned, but there are a good handful of them that are really stunning reimaginings of the originals, and this is one of them. Hamelin calls this one

Quote from: Hamelina true marvel....four hyperflorid, beautifully complex variations [e.g. 3 against 4 against 6 against 9] all totally different in their rhythmic intricacies - the closest relative to this transcription....is Henry Cowell's short piano piece Fabric. Godowsky's level of inspiration reaches new heights in this setting, especially in the last section [my sample page] where a gorgeous countermelody soars above the main music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 01:54:25 PM
So I suppose your new no 14 must be Vytautas Bacevičius  - Vision

The other ones look tricky, though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:56:14 PM
[Edit: I've added a link to MM18 and MM20, so you can download it and see it full size - just click on the image to do that.]

MM16
Relatively famous where I live... And the text is massively famous. (Nice choice of adverb, don't you think?)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM16.jpg)

MM17
This contemporary composer is quite well known. He isn't very prolific, and not all of his pieces are top shelf material. This one, IMHO, happens to be one of the more effective ones, even if the effect is reached through the use of a very stripped down technique. This is one of the more striking pages (it may not look striking but in its context it does sound quite striking, especially with a good vocalist).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM17.jpg)

MM18
You'll notice there's a quote here right away. But I'm not sure if recognizing that will lead you any closer to the answer - unless, of course, you know the piece. It happens to be the last thing this composer ever wrote. And perhaps his best composition (IMO).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM18.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM18.jpg)

MM19
I have come to believe that cycle might be the composer's very best work, even if it isn't as celebrated as many of his other pieces.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM19.jpg)

MM20
I believe this page is proof that this composer still had it in him, despite the fact that most of his output at the time he composed this was rather mediocre. It is sometimes thought that the reason for that was the quite traditional style he chose to employ but this piece (and a few others) show that he was in fact capable of writing quite effective stuff as long as he kept it short. :P Not a masterpiece perhaps but an enjoyable entry into the choral repertoire.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM20.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM20.jpg)

Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 01:45:09 PM
Actually, I think this first version is a lot harder than the left hand only one, and also, obviously, much more sophisticated - one of the finest of the whole set. Godowsky's elaborations are often maligned, but there are a good handful of them that are really stunning reimaginings of the originals, and this is one of them.

Yes, and the page you posted is very beautiful.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 01:54:25 PM
So I suppose your new no 14 must be Vytautas Bacevičius  - Vision

That was quick! But then that really was an enormous clue, wasn't it? Can't think of another Grażyna it could be... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 01:57:16 PM
And 4+2 more coming in a moment. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:01:22 PM
MM21
I'm guessing this will be very, very easy... VERY famous composer, and we've had him here before.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM21.jpg)

MM22
For clues - see above (though this is somebody else).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM22.jpg)

MM23
This looks quite nice, doesn't it?
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM23.jpg)

MM24
Looks very much like everything else by this composer that I've ever seen. I've seen very little, mind you! ;D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM24.jpg)

Last 2 in a moment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:03:45 PM
MM25
One of the very few "serious" piano pieces by this composer that is easy enough for me to play. And an especially beautiful one, IMO. (Strange. I feel as if I had already used that phrase today...)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM25.jpg)

MM26
Oh, I just couldn't resist it...
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM26.jpg)

That's all for now, folks! Have fun! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 02:12:49 PM
Trying to keep up with Maciek's new ones - time for an updated list (sorry if this list's frequent recurrence is getting tedious, but it's easiest to keep it near the top, I think)

Oh, the no 25 is just loading - looks like one of Bartok's Bagatelles - no 3 IIRC

and no 23 is Cowell - Banshee

This bunch aren't Polish at all, are they!

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - ? - (Steve/Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevičius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 02:12:49 PM
Oh, the no 25 is just loading - looks like one of Bartok's Bagatelles - no 3 IIRC

Precisely!

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and no 23 is Cowell - Banshee

Correct!

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This bunch aren't Polish at all, are they!

I hope you appreciate this entertaining element of surprise! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 02:40:45 PM
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words

That l.h. part reminded of l.h. parts in other Ives works (Three Page Sonata, IIRC), even though the rest of the piece is somewhat simpler than one would expect from an Ives score, so I tried lesser-known Ives first, and luckily hit the answer (I think). Though, typically for Ives, the performance on my CD didn't entirely match Maciek's score - it had the odd restrained but Concord Sonata-like accretion!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 12, 2007, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2007, 02:40:45 PM
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words

That l.h. part reminded of l.h. parts in other Ives works (Three Page Sonata, IIRC), even though the rest of the piece is somewhat simpler than one would expect from an Ives score, so I tried lesser-known Ives first, and luckily hit the answer (I think). Though, typically for Ives, the performance on my CD didn't entirely match Maciek's score - it had the odd restrained but Concord Sonata-like accretion!

No need for apprehension - you are correct, as always! I chose it because it seems to be the only Ives score I own (and I own next to none :P) that I can (almost) play. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 01:10:45 AM
Good morning - I got very tired last night and had to give up in the middle of guessing. A couple more, I think: is no 16 by Moniuszko (the title of song being the first line of the text: Od dworu, spod lasa)? And no 26 never loaded beyond the tempo indication last night - I thought it was some kind of obscure joke! But now I can see the whole thing: it is the opening of the first movement of Zarebski's Les Roses et Les Epines, op 13. A very fine piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 04:22:05 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 01:10:45 AM
Good morning - I got very tired last night and had to give up in the middle of guessing. A couple more, I think: is no 16 by Moniuszko (the title of song being the first line of the text: Od dworu, spod lasa)?

Well, I can see how you got to that answer ((http://www.google.com/favicon.ico) ;D) but it's only partially correct... It is a ballade by Moniuszko (not one of the 3 or 4 most famous ones though) and it is sometimes (if rarely) referred to by the first words of the text but the title is in fact different. It is the same as that of the poem - so discovering it shouldn't be all that difficult.

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And no 26 never loaded beyond the tempo indication last night - I thought it was some kind of obscure joke!

Me and obscure jokes? Come on! Obscure - perhaps. Jokes - never! ;D

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But now I can see the whole thing: it is the opening of the first movement of Zarebski's Les Roses et Les Epines, op 13. A very fine piece.

Yes, it is! :)

You rule, Luke, did you know that? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 04:58:24 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 04:22:05 AM
Well, I can see how you got to that answer ((http://www.google.com/favicon.ico) ;D) but it's only partially correct... It is a ballade by Moniuszko (not one of the 3 or 4 most famous ones though) and it is sometimes (if rarely) referred to by the first words of the text but the title is in fact different. It is the same as that of the poem - so discovering it shouldn't be all that difficult.

Is it Rybka, then? I was getting rather confused....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 05:11:07 AM
Bingo! You are storming through these.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 05:23:39 AM
What I'm happiest about is that I've actually known a few of these straight off!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 11:08:32 AM
21 - Cage - Bacchanale.

Mostly by old fashioned stylistic analysis, because the print doesn't remind me of other Cage scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 11:53:10 AM
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpian Songs (no 2)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 03:00:40 PM
Very good! 8) (on both counts)

The (Cage) print comes from a Russian anthology - as did the Ives and Cowell.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2007, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 03:00:40 PM
Very good! 8) (on both counts)

The (Cage) print comes from a Russian anthology - as did the Ives and Cowell.

That would explain it, yes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2007, 02:05:31 PM
Would this be a good moment to add some additional clues?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2007, 02:17:16 PM
I certainly need them! - don't know if anyone else is trying to solve them though...

BTW, I have more ready to roll if anyone is interested. Maybe my old ones should be solved first, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2007, 03:41:23 PM
OK. First of all, as a reminder, here are the numbers my unguessed ones: 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 20, 24.

Here are some clues:

2 of the composers are women. The names of both female composer start with the same letter! :o

These composers come from 3 different countries. One of the composers is American, all the rest are Europeans.

All of the composers are contemporary. ::)

Except for one, all of the composers can safely be called famous - meaning that they are considered to be among the very best contemporary composers of their respective countries. If very hard pressed I would unwillingly cross out one more - but the remaining 6 really are among the strictly selected creme de la creme.

Except for one, all of the composers are alive today.

Two of the composers have already had their scores featured here, and the name of one more has appeared in the (incorrect) guesses.

Three of the composers have threads dedicated to them on GMG.

OK, I know these clues are vague but we have to start with something... ;D If there's any need for that ::), I'll become more specific later. Also, note that there are clues right next to the scores as well! (This might be a good time to admit that at least one of those is so highly subjective, it might even be misleading. :-\)

Luke, go ahead and post some more - they're always welcome. I might try giving your old ones another go tomorrow too, BTW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:29:27 AM
OK, some more. I've got loads, actually - Maciek said I'd nearly done 100, and I hadn't, but I may get that far today! Let's see how far I manage to get....

No 77 - a very famous composer we've already had on this thread. He's often somewhat maligned on this board, but in this, one of his finest works, and actually a really visionary work, we see that he was capable of great things.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:36:48 AM
No 78 - remember those two of mine -  59 and 60 - which I said were, for good reason, closely related in style to an older and better known composer? No one's got them yet, which surprises me. Anyway, the composer of this no 78 too is often said to resemble that same older composer (quite an influential figure!), but in this case the younger composer reached maturity and was able to carve out his own stylistic world.

Edit - in post 1000 Greg guessed this one to be Scriabin; it isn't, but as I said in post 1001, he is that elusive model I've talked about. Which, as I've said, relates back to numbers 59 and 60 too. A big clue, in fact.

Back to this one - if you look closely (bottom line), you will see a notational rarity which I personally have only seen in the music of this composer and in the theoretical writings of Riemann, though it probably exists elsewhere too.

The composer's name is the point here, rather than the piece's title, which is generic.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:38:50 AM
No 79 - a tricky one, I think. Clues on request, but put it this way - Maciek ought to get it first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 02:44:41 AM
Based on your description of 77 (without even looking at the score): could it by any chance be Elgar?

79: well, it's certainly a Polish composer, and a PWM score. Could it be Baird?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:50:45 AM
No 80 - another hard one. The fastidious handwriting is typical of this school of composers; this particular composer posts (or did) on the Radio 3 board sometimes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:57:01 AM
No 81 - I've discussed this composer and the group of pieces this is drawn from in the last few days. And, given that I haven't posted much these last few days, that is a big clue. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:00:44 AM
No 82 - no clues yet, I think there is enough in the substance of the music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:06:08 AM
No 83 - a piece I have invariably mentioned when the thread 'most mournful/depressing etc. piece of music' comes round as it inevitably does. I've never heard anything like this piece for bleakness - my brother-in-law, quite a seasoned explorer of weird music, was taken aback by this piece ('like sticking your head in a wind tunnel' was his description), but this final movement is something of a consolation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:09:23 AM
No 84 - I could have chosen dozens of pages from this sparkling score, one of the finest works of the last thirty years that I know of IMO - the page where the music seems to compete with itself for ever quieter nuances*; the magical duet for low piccolo and high double bass harmonics, playing in melodic homophony.... The page I have chosen reveals the piece's link to spectralism; the composer is not a spectralist but has worked in that domain at times.

* ping-pong ball dropped in glass; newspaper ripped at varying dynamics.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:13:05 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 02:44:41 AM
Based on your description of 77 (without even looking at the score): could it by any chance be Elgar?

No, but that's fairly close

Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 02:44:41 AM
79: well, it's certainly a Polish composer, and a PWM score. Could it be Baird?

You're a bloody genius. Or do you remember my posting history.....? ;)

No 85 - no clues just yet, let's see if anyone recognises it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:13:45 AM
No 86 - comes from a set of pieces I have problems assessing. I adore them, but possibly because I played them a lot as a child. They seem very special to me, but are probably not. Another one for Maciek, I'd have thought - but that clue opens it up to all!  ;D Yes, it is Polish!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:35:15 AM
No 87 - the only composer out of this bunch that I have met. Does that help? This piece is an ultra-lyrical, nostalgic concerto which makes extensive and very beautiful use of quotation from various pieces (Monteverdi to Wagner and points between). Ideas of love, distance, memory, wind and sea lie behind the piece. The piece falls into sections, each based around a particular quoted piece; each section is linked by a recurrent quotation. Towards the bottom of this page you can see both quite clearly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 04:42:20 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:13:05 AM
You're a bloody genius. Or do you remember my posting history.....? ;)

Perhaps I shouldn't be revealing my technique but here goes:
1) The print style looks exactly the same as a couple of PWM Baird scores that I own. I mean exactly.
2) There's the Polish word "oddech" (breath).
3) It was a bit of a shot in the dark since this is only a page - but the texture reminds me of Baird too. (Except for that strange thing happening in the piano - but the asterisk could mean anything...)

And now that you've confirmed that it's Baird, I'm assuming it has to be Erotyki. I know most of Baird's song cycles pretty well. His only other soprano and orchestra cycle is Lyrical Suite, and it can't be that - that is a tonal cycle using folk (or folk-like) material, a bit like some of Lutoslawski's early songs. And yes, I do remember you mentioning you owned that score, so now I'm pretty sure. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 05:25:02 AM
Well, you're spot on!

Except that the 'strange thing' is not in the piano part - that's the timp part!  :o  Which of course makes it all the weirder....  [edit] on second thoughts, it is the piano part you mean - but it is the timp part which really amazes me here!


The problems continue, btw: every time I try to upload an image I get an error message 'the upload folder is full' - is this as ominous as it sounds? have we (well, mostly me) overworked the system? does this mean we need to delete some earlier images in order to have room for new ones?  OTOH, the board hasn't been functioning normally recently, so perhaps there's something going on I don't know about.

....a pity: we're one short of the 1000 post mark, too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 16, 2007, 05:26:42 AM
77- the notes are in English, so is this an American or British composer?

78- the rhythm looks like Scriabin, just a wild guess

80- handwriting looks like Ferneyhough, but that seems a little too obvious. It could possibly Birtwistle, too
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 05:35:02 AM
Well done Greg, you got post no 1000!

77 is a British composer

78 is not Scriabin, but he is the composer that the music resembles that I talk about in my clue. Which, if you read it carefully, links back to two earlier scores of mine. Now you know the model for them, you might be able to get them too.

80 is not Ferneyhough; the handwriting is more spidery than his. But it is from the 'Complexity' school. Which narrows down the field.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 16, 2007, 08:08:17 AM
#80 is Richard Barrett (all these NC ones are easy to identify by the handwriting!) and I guess it must be Coigitum, though that's a piece I've never heard or seen the score to.

Still don't know what that earlier one I got wrong could be -- my printer's out of ink and the piano's too far away to read the score off the screen  >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 08:41:57 AM
Some hints on my remaining four:

2 have titles of taken from poems (one is by the same author of my signature tag)
1 is a transcription
the other is by a composer that Luke posted a different piece from
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: matticus on October 16, 2007, 08:08:17 AM
#80 is Richard Barrett (all these NC ones are easy to identify by the handwriting!) and I guess it must be Coigitum, though that's a piece I've never heard or seen the score to.

That's correct - and a tricky one, I thought. You know your complexity scores well!

Quote from: matticus on October 16, 2007, 08:08:17 AMStill don't know what that earlier one I got wrong could be -- my printer's out of ink and the piano's too far away to read the score off the screen  >:(

Which one was that?

[edit] I think you mean my 73 - the one you thought was the Book of Elements. As I say, playing it will help, but so will my clue that playing it properly is not actually possible. Someone who writes piano pieces not playable by human hand - who does that make you think of  ;D  ;) ? Well, it isn't him  ;D.... but it is someone closely connected to him, and the underlying principle (conflicting tempi etc.) is the same. In this piece the different tempi (all notated via tuplets within one overarching tempo) are presenting different tunes, motives etc., each of which you will surely recognise. All these clues together, and a bare minimum of searching, should provide you with the answer.

Don't say I'm not generous with my clues!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 16, 2007, 10:20:15 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 05:35:02 AM
Well done Greg, you got post no 1000!
wow, what a surprise!  ;D


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 01:35:48 PM
Thanks to Rob's vigilance, I've been able to put nos. 81, 86 and 87 up on the previous page, so check back if you want to see them. I think my last pages must have been the straw that broke the camel's back, upload-folder-wise  :-[  :-[  :-[ but thankfully Rob's been able to double its size  :)  :)  :)

So on with the show:

No 88 - another score from which many pages could have been chosen, each revealing one of the special features of the music. The composer talked of this pieces as treating

Quote from: ? ? ? ?'three contrasting types of continuity which, in their alternation, strongly affect our passage-of-time consciousness.

This piece uses a pretty straightforward twelve-tone technique. The composer was one of the main post-Schoenberg dodecaphonists.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 01:43:28 PM
No 89 - possibly the most famous piece I have quoted from. Should need no clues - but it's a bit nifty, I think!

[edit - sorry, I put up the wrong attachment first time!]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:44:03 PM
No 90 - yet another for Maciek, lucky guy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
No 91 - not my favourite work by this composer, but, it it's own way, one of the most amazing. This composer is usually linked with a particular school of composer, but the similarities are actually quite superficial. More clues on request.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 02:58:35 PM
No 92 - I said 89 was easy/well-known. This is equally famous, possibly (round these parts anyway) even more so. Should be found straight away, and I've put it up mostly because it is interesting.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:04:17 PM
No 93 - one of the blanked-out bits is the name of the composer. The other is significant, not because the figure named is famous (he isn't) but because presumably it would make googling too easy. However, there is enough here - in terms of look and musical style - to have a good guess at the composer. At which point one could try googling around the dedication to see if the guess is correct or not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 03:04:44 PM
LO 90.
My favorite Lutoslawski vocal work, possibly my favorite Lutosawski piece too... Paroles tissées. Actually, this is the first time I get a glimpse of the score! :D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2007, 03:04:44 PM
LO 90.
My favorite Lutoslawski vocal work, possibly my favorite Lutosawski piece too... Paroles tissées. Actually, this is the first time I get a glimpse of the score! :D 8)

Correct - excellent!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:10:28 PM
No 94 - a piece which won the Pulitzer. There is an extra clue as to the title in the music itself, so this one shouldn't take long.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:16:48 PM
No 95 - a classic piece in early modernism and the transition to atonality. The odd-looking enharmonic notation of this page (meant to keep the canonic nature clear) is quite famous, and the expression marks are typical IMO. Should be quite straightforward.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:20:43 PM
No 96 - a piece I have mentioned elsewhere on this board. Was at one time considered the hardest piece in the piano repertoire, and though it may have been surpassed, it is still an iconic work. At the bottom of the page is a big clue. The piece is dedicated to and was premiered by a composer-pianist one of whose scores I've already posted on this thread (and the answer has been found)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
No 97 - a great and quite well-known (though not as much as it should be) masterpiece by a major figure. This page contains typical fingerprints both of the composer in general and ones special to this piece AFAIK.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:26:18 PM
No 98 - The composer should be fairly obvious just from the look of the score. At first glance, this seems to be an unusually colouristic, non-motivic, page. However, after a certain date this composer began to use simple colour-points like this as motives in their own right; this and the unusual orchestration are clues as to the identity of the piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:31:27 PM
No 99 - this is the final variation of a set, though the piece isn't called 'Variations' except in the subtitle. The theme is pretty clear here, though you may need to play it. Once you've identified it, the composer and piece ought to  become easier to find, I hope.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
no. 92 is Mahler's 10th. The big-ass dissonant chord, in its 5th movement incarnation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:37:00 PM
No 100 - those who've read my composer's thread will hopefully recognise a piece here! I have identified this piece on my thread (though possibly not since its original incarnation on the previous GMG) so there's plenty to go on here. Whilst you're looking, check out the Da Capo and other markings on the piece on the right hand page  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: Markno. 92 is Mahler's 10th. The big-ass dissonant chord, in its 5th movement incarnation.

Correct, Mark. With Mahler's original sketches at the bottom of the page - this is Cooke's performing version, of course. This same passage (or the first movement version) is also referenced in my LO 13, a passage from John Adam's Harmonielehre

No 101 - very easy. No clues.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 03:46:21 PM
no. 94 must by one of William Bolcom's "New Etudes". I say this mostly on the basis of the clue, and of the stride bass line, and a reference to "as in Etude I"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:49:04 PM
That's correct, Mark. The Pulitzer thing was one clue, the internal reference to another Etude was another. This particular one is called Rag infernal (Syncopes apocalytiques)  :D



No 102 - a great description of this piece in one book:

Quote[mystery piece x], with its Afro-Cuban percussion section, and a Hollywood-style finale with touches of the macabre of Shostakovich, must be one of the most banal ever written.

;D
There may be some disagreement about that, of course! The tune that stats on this page is a great little diatonic, memorable, jazzy melody typical of this composer, who had a fine melodic sense among other gifts.

My wife once danced with him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:53:26 PM
No 103 - yet another for Maciek, though I hope others get it too. This piece is typical of its composer in, among other things, its formal techniques. A very Bergian example of this begins at the second bar on this page though (and this is another clue) you'd need to see the previous pages to see it properly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 03:55:16 PM
no. 101 looks like Soviet typeface. Strings and percussion. My guess is Shotakovich's 14th.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 03:56:32 PM
Subtract 10, Mark.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 03:57:24 PM
Very good guess, though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:58:23 PM
No 104 - earlier on this thread I tentatively guessed at a score based on a similarity to another piece. I was wrong. But FWIW this is that piece. It is a very fine work by a very famous composer, not as well-known among his compositions as it should be.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 03:59:22 PM
No 105 - not long to go now! Another very famous composer, though this is one of his lesser-known, early works; it exists in different versions. Lots of features that make it identifiable, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:04:28 PM
No 106 - the biggest score in my collection. Composer is easy, piece might be less so. Bonus points (if we were awarding points) go if you can name the instruments playing here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 04:07:01 PM
Luke, just wanted to say that though my own participation has been lowest of key, I really enjoy and appreciate your efforts and hosting here.

I still expect a finished Canticle Sonata, though!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:07:23 PM
No 107 - edition, handwriting and therefore, I think, composer are quite clear. Which means it is quite easy to narrow it down to the correct piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:13:32 PM
Hey, Karl, it's Sean's thread to host, not mine. I've just rather taken over, I'm afraid! (and feel rather sheepish about it - still, I always said I was addicted to scores, and now you all know it only too well). I wonder if Sean knows what a monster he spawned.

Re. the Canticle doodad - yes, I keep forgetting about that. I've made the necessary alterations (or I think I have), but I'm unhappy with the first movement, and am letting it lie fallow for a while before I rip its heart out  ;D I will get back to you, I promise.

Oh, and if as you hint you know no 101, and I'm sure you do, don't keep it to yourself! A stunning page, knocks me for six every time....[edit - sorry, brainfreeze going on here. Didn't take in the point of your 'subtract 10' - yes, it is the mad string-thing from Shostakovich 4, of course.]

Three more, then I'll stop, trust me!

No 108 - one of my favourite pieces. I was once, more than two years ago, all primed to lead a GMG discussion on this work. Had my introductory posts written and everything......I digress. This page, which comes towards the end of the piece but before its climax, exhibits most of its characteristic traits - its instrumentation, its tonal dichotomy, its metrical dichotomy, its most prominent, binding motive (here in the process of dissolving), and the end of an important figure in the vocal line.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:15:08 PM
No 109 - is this where Phil Glass got his ideas from?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:17:08 PM
Last one!

No 110 - from a series of for pieces written for the left hand of the aging Britten, as you can see (I presume this is to do with the fact that Britten lost the use of his right arm in later years)

And that'll do for now, you'll be pleased to hear. Have fun!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:20:11 PM
Once again, the full hyperlinked list. I think it's worth it after my latest splurge...

Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt Tăcut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry, just saw this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)



Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevičius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:13:32 PM
Hey, Karl, it's Sean's thread to host, not mine. I've just rather taken over, I'm afraid!

We're all grateful you took the place in hand :-)

Quote from: LukeOh, and if as you hint you know no 101, and I'm sure you do, don't keep it to yourself! A stunning page, knocks me for six every time....

I was sure you posted it particularly for me  ;D

It's the [in-]famous string fugato mid-way through the first movement of the Shostakovich Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, Opus 43.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:27:03 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 04:23:02 PM

It's the [in-]famous string fugato mid-way through the first movement of the Shostakovich Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, Opus 43.

Yes, see edit above - I got there eventually! My mind is going....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2007, 04:42:40 PM
LO93 is the Bridge Sonata. I guessed because the typesetting looks exactly like my edition of the cello sonata - surely Boosey must have printed other pieces with this typesetting, but I haven't seen them. Funny how things like that happen. Also the 'Andante ben moderato' is a direction he uses quite a lot, so that was also a clue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2007, 04:49:04 PM
Is LO110 Skempton? I once saw a piano piece of his that looks very similar to this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 04:54:05 PM
Blimey - both correct! Very impressive indeed, in both cases.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2007, 04:59:19 PM
no. 97 looks like Sibelius, especially the clarinet part. Luonnotar perhaps?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2007, 05:03:15 PM
They're tumbling like dominoes...... :)

Yes, and what a fine piece it is. The clarinet line and the string figure is typical Sibelius; the harp figure, which goes on for bars, is a hallmark of this particular piece, one of Sibelius's very best IMO
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:42:50 PM
81- MacDowell -Sonata Eroica
82 - Henry Martin: Preludes and Fugues?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:51:34 PM
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:55:04 PM
96 - Sorabji - Opus Clavicembalisticum
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:58:06 PM
99 Richard Rodney Bennett - Noctuary
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 02:13:35 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:42:50 PM
81- MacDowell -Sonata Eroica
Yes
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:42:50 PM82 - Henry Martin: Preludes and Fugues?
No
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:51:34 PM
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina
Yes
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:55:04 PM
96 - Sorabji - Opus Clavicembalisticum
No
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 16, 2007, 05:58:06 PM
99 Richard Rodney Bennett - Noctuary
Yes

Good work!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 17, 2007, 06:44:30 AM
91 is Dillon's East 11th St NY 10003

96 is Xenakis's Herma

106 must be from Firecycle Beta, are they all timps? Great percussion writing in that piece...

107 is from Crumb's 5 piano pieces
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 06:57:31 AM
Quote from: matticus on October 17, 2007, 06:44:30 AM
91 is Dillon's East 11th St NY 10003

Yes

Quote from: matticus on October 17, 2007, 06:44:30 AM96 is Xenakis's Herma

Yes

Quote from: matticus on October 17, 2007, 06:44:30 AM106 must be from Firecycle Beta, are they all timps? Great percussion writing in that piece...

No. But right composer. And right instruments  :o - microtonal canonic writing for timp harmonics.....

Quote from: matticus on October 17, 2007, 06:44:30 AM107 is from Crumb's 5 piano pieces

Yes

You really know your complexity scores, don't you!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 07:01:46 AM
...I'm wondering why, with these ones being tracked down so quickly, my previous ones seem to have been hard to do. IMO they are no more difficult, and I gave more clues to them too....

they're still available for anyone who wants to retry...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 17, 2007, 07:06:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 06:57:31 AM
No. But right composer. And right instruments  :o - microtonal canonic writing for timp harmonics.....

Is it Transit then...? I thought that seemed more likely but couldn't find this bit in my recording.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 06:57:31 AM
You really know your complexity scores, don't you!

I got the Skempton one too, honest...!

Also, I'm sure I recognise #105 -- could we get a clue?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 17, 2007, 07:20:51 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2007, 03:56:32 PM
Subtract 10, Mark.
:(
i actually could've gotten that one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 08:24:10 AM
Quote from: matticus on October 17, 2007, 07:06:40 AM
Is it Transit then...? I thought that seemed more likely but couldn't find this bit in my recording.

That's the one. You won't find it quite like this on the recording, because superimposed over the top of this music is the slowly-evolving 'Vocal model' which is written separately on the first page of the score. This is page three, so very near the beginning, fairly shortly after the timps come in under the voices. One of Ferneyhough's most attractive pieces, I think.

Quote from: matticus on October 17, 2007, 07:06:40 AM
Also, I'm sure I recognise #105 -- could we get a clue?

Hmm, let me think. It's not from a concerto, though this extremely famous and important composer did write concertos later on. The music bears the traces of its nationality, and when you've got that, the composer is quite obvious I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 08:30:52 AM
Quote from: matticus on October 17, 2007, 07:06:40 AMI got the Skempton one too, honest...!

Quote from: greg on October 17, 2007, 07:20:51 AM
:(
i actually could've gotten that one!

That's the only problem with this thread - we've all got loads, I'm sure, that have been snaffled up by someone else before we can get to them! ...looking over the list of scores I can count at least 22 that I 'could have' got!  >:( ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2007, 12:02:41 PM
LO 103 - well, the teasing worked but this wasn't an easy one:

After staring long, very long, and hard, hard, hard at it, just when I was about to give up (even though all along I felt I knew the "melody" played by the celesta and glockenspiel) it came to me:

Andrzej Panufnik - Autumn Music

I do have to say, the first 3 bars totally confused me, and got me looking in a totally wrong direction (Kilar? Krauze??). It didn't help that I haven't heard this piece in a very long while. All I'm saying is this: I'm very proud of myself this time, and I expect everyone to appreciate the titanic struggle I had to go through to guess this. ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2007, 12:05:17 PM
When (and if) you ever get the Lullaby score, Luke, you absolutely have to post a snippet here. Though I suspect that one would be even more difficult to guess. Or maybe not, considering one "detail" I know about it... :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 17, 2007, 12:02:41 PM
LO 103 - well, the teasing worked but this wasn't an easy one:

After staring long, very long, and hard, hard, hard at it, just when I was about to give up (even though all along I felt I knew the "melody" played by the celesta and glockenspiel) it came to me:

Andrzej Panufnik - Autumn Music

I do have to say, the first 3 bars totally confused me, and got me looking in a totally wrong direction (Kilar? Krauze??). It didn't help that I haven't heard this piece in a very long while. All I'm saying is this: I'm very proud of myself this time, and I expect everyone to appreciate the titanic struggle I had to go through to guess this. ;D

Well then, all hail Maciek  etc. etc.  ;D

Seriously, well done!

Those first three bars, though, are not meant to confuse. The barline between the first and second of them is the pivot on which the work turns - from that point on an enormous retrograde a la Berg begins
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 04:38:01 PM
Just to spur you on, I must emphasize that numbers 89 and 109 are works most of you will know.

These ones are all going so fast, I haven't thought about giving out clues. But maybe I'll begin to do so for the remaining ones tomorrow.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2007, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2007, 04:30:28 PM
Those first three bars, though, are not meant to confuse. The barline between the first and second of them is the pivot on which the work turns - from that point on an enormous retrograde a la Berg begins

Ha, ha. Now that I know what it is, it doesn't seem confusing at all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:01:43 AM
Seeing as my newest set are going so quickly, here are some more! In for a penny.....

no 111 - big clues here in the substance of the music. Less of a clue, though deliciously ironic when you know the subject of the piece, is the cheeky quotation from Heldenleben in the oboe part on the last bar of this example.

If you know the tonal habits of this composer, especially in his early works, of which this is one, then the key change you see at the end of the line provides another clue - this is his favourite and habitual key contrast. But if you know him that well, you will know what this piece is anyway!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:07:36 AM
112 - this piece takes another work and swathes it in layers of complex figuration and dense chromaticism. The piece it is based on is one of my very favourites, and its composer considered it his finest work; IMO this later piece too, though very strange, is utterly gorgeous, and as a pianist it is one of my favourite pieces to play.

The composer of this work has already appeared more than once on this thread.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:08:37 AM
113 - a very well known work, its composer most public masterpiece. I take a memorable page in which a number of fanfare motives are presented; these ideas haunt many pages of the whole work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:18:49 AM
114 - a piece which Guido ought to know  ;) A beautiful, seductive and wonderfully-written work for violin and small orchestra, in a 'post tonal' (whatever that means) neo-romantic kind of vein. This composer is often known as a post-modernist, however. Whatever school he is pigeon-holed in, this is a very fine work. The centre of the piece seems to me to be based around a slightly distorted version of the subject of the D major Fugue from Book 2 of the WTC, and though I haven't read that this is intentional, I'm pretty sure, knowing the way this composer works, that it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:19:48 AM
115 - no clues to start with, I think there are many here who will get this quite quickly
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:28:21 AM
116 - if you look carefully at the instrumentation, you will see that this piece anticipates Ligeti by decades  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:28:51 AM
117 - the piece that launched its composer quite spectacularly. A bonus point if you know who took loudhailer part 6 of this page in this piece's only recording.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 18, 2007, 03:04:23 AM
No movement in my set, so I'm adding some more clues. First, let me remind you of the previous ones:

Quote from: Maciek on October 15, 2007, 03:41:23 PM
OK. First of all, as a reminder, here are the numbers my unguessed ones: 11, 12, 13, 15 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752), 17, 18, 20 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760), 24 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765).

Here are some clues:

2 of the composers are women. The names of both female composer start with the same letter! :o

These composers come from 3 different countries. One of the composers is American, all the rest are Europeans.

All of the composers are contemporary. ::)

Except for one, all of the composers can safely be called famous - meaning that they are considered to be among the very best contemporary composers of their respective countries. If very hard pressed I would unwillingly cross out one more - but the remaining 6 really are among the strictly selected creme de la creme.

Except for one, all of the composers are alive today.

Two of the composers have already had their scores featured here, and the name of one more has appeared in the (incorrect) guesses.

Three of the composers have threads dedicated to them on GMG.

OK, I know these clues are vague but we have to start with something... ;D If there's any need for that ::), I'll become more specific later. Also, note that there are clues right next to the scores as well! (This might be a good time to admit that at least one of those is so highly subjective, it might even be misleading. :-\)

And now I'm giving you one clue per piece but I have scrambled them, so you won't know which clue goes for which piece:

This piece was written for what is probably the most famous church in its country. The most characteristic part is the opening which has the choir recite the text of a well known prayer repetitively, in a slow crescendo, starting with a whisper. Only then does the orchestra come in. The composer is very well known, also for his film scores (the earliest of which are, IMO, the best thing this composer has written so far). We've had a score by this composer here before. (this was no. 17, guessed by Luke)

The most famous piece by this composer is based on the numbers 7 and 13.

The composer of this work is definitely the most famous living composer from this country. Almost a cult figure. This composer has developed a very peculiar brand of music which could be called folk inspired minimalism. The example comes from this composer's most famous work. It is the second part of a cycle comprised of four large works. It is scored for, among others, certain ancient folk instruments which in performance are usually substituted by their modern classical counterparts.

This is the last work this composer completed before death. The subject of the text the music is set to is death itself. This can probably be guessed if you identify the really obvious quote of an extremely famous theme. The largest work this composer ever wrote was an opera (this composer only wrote one). This composer's work seems to have been inspired by literature very often - for instance, this composer would entitle pieces by using the names of literary genres.

The title of this piece has something to do with the seasons. The subtitle, OTOH, evokes the Christian name of a certain very famous Romantic composer. The season evoked in the title is the time of the year when this Romantic composer died. The quotations in this piece are always very tiny, most of the music is newly written but in close imitation of the style, or at least spirit, of the composer being evoked. The composer of this piece has also written several other pieces evoking the work of other composers but they don't really form a cycle of any sort.

The composer of this work is very well known in his/her country. Still, AFAIK, there's only one CD dedicated solely to this composer's work, and that is a recording of a Requiem mass. This composer has written a series of pieces the titles of which reflect the composer's attitude towards the musical past. This is one of them. If you recognize the material the composer is using here (a piece by a certain very famous Romantic composer), all you'll need to do is take the generic title our composer uses for this series and fill in the blank. Of course, recognizing the material might prove a bit difficult.

This composer is known for a tendency to write overblown gigantic oratorios which drag on for hours. This composer started off as an epitome of the avantgarde in music but in later years moved to safer, "reactionary" positions. ;) The title of this untypically smaller work has something to do with angels. I have to admit I'm not sure if this hasn't been included into one of the composer's larger scores - this composer is known to sometimes do that. (this was no. 20, guessed by Luke)

This composer was born in 1965. This composer isn't exactly world famous but is very well known in a certain seaside town. The piece is for a singing pianist. The text comes from a poem by a poet probably unknown in English speaking countries. He is not even known in Poland (though a small volume of his poems came out a couple of years ago).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 04:22:22 AM
Cool - I'll look through those later, though I've got some ideas buzzing around now....

I too come bearing clues! I'm determined that I'm not going to reveal the answers to my old remaining ones - though there's one here from early September! So ttt with my old clues. In places (bold) I've added new hints. I've also appended clues for those of my more recent ones (not today's batch) which still remain.

44 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)  - we've established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I'll add that he is one of those much-lamented 'died-too-soon' composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I'll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer's output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an 'Eastern' title. I don't think I can give more clues than this.

53 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947) - as I said, an early, unrecorded work by a major composer. The text, as you can see, is from the Corpus Christi Carol, set by, among others, Britten, though this is evidently not him. The title of this text might help you with the title of this piece, however. The piece is English, though I hope that is evident and dates, IIRC, from the 50s

55 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) - Already established - this is Suk. This example isn't from Asrael, but from a slightly later, and very wonderful piece. It is taken from the third movement, and the instrumentation in that movement is much reduced from that in the rest of the piece.

57 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) - Already established - this is Liadov

58 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953) - Larry's nearly got this - a male voice piece by Schoenberg; surely a little searching will reveal the title. It's an awesome work, in its own way.

59 and  60  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539) - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of ..........esque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. Established - the common model for both composers is Scriabin. I'll add that each had very strong, childhood, formative links to him, hence the understandable resemblance.

62 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - An extremely prolific, well-known composer. The harmonic nature of the big pile-up of chords in the centre of the page reveal a technique of which this composer was an early and famous exponent (he is really the textbook example, I suppose). The work itself is simply a non-programmatic piece in a standard form.

65 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541) - a little-known piano piece by Debussy, it has been determined. Remember where the best collections of scores online are to be found and root around.... (Greg has identified this)

69 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
- this is the vortex at the heart of a movement which has been called [something along the lines of] 'the greatest piece in sonata from between Beethoven and Brahms' and I won't disagree - this a breath-taking work, one which astonishes in so many different ways. The odd key is significant. The use of a single line of notes is also typical of the finely judged irony of this composer - this is the simplest sounding music of a movement with bucketloads of notes, and yet it is some of the hardest music (in an ultra-hard piece) to perform well. This example is part of a cadenza, so the irony increases. The composer was one of the three great composer pianists of the early/mid 19th century, and this is probably his finest work.

70 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669) - As I said, the only piece I know of to use this instrumentation; wind quintet plus bass clarinet. It is youthful music written in reminiscence by an old man. Amongst other things, this composer is well-known for his use of speech-derived melodic lines, but strangely enough, this is one of the rare pieces in which we find a melody directly copied from one he heard on 'field trips' (not on this page, however)
(Mark has identified this)

72 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673) - this composer shared exactly the fate of the composer of my 51, though a few months later. He was 25. For a while he wrote under a pseudonym (Karel Vranek). He wrote a string duo in quarter tones. This movement is a set of variations on a folksong, Ta Knezdubska vez; it comes from what is probably his finest work, a piece which has been recorded several times.

73 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675) - I've given big clues about this one - that it can't be played by human hands; that its composer isn't the obvious one to spring to mind in this connection, but is closely connected with him; that it is entirely made up of quotations from a set of very famous pieces. The unusual tuplets here do not imply 'new complexity' techniques. Instead, they are the composer's way of making possible the simultaneous and literal presentation of all these quotations at their varying intended speeds. That's why you get a whole long line of a tune in quintuplets, and a whole long line of a tune in 9's, or in 5:3's....

74 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676) - A famous name, bandied around a lot but not much understood. I certainly don't understand him. He is famous because, quite separately of a much more widely-known figure, he developed a broadly similar compositional technique.

75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681) - a record-breaking composer, famous among other things for being the longest-living and longest-writing of the established composers. Most of his music is for solo piano - he was in his early days a celebrated performer and a compositional iconoclast who at the time was habitually mentioned in the same breath as Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Ravel, Bartok, Debussy.... This piece, evidently, is not, but it is often thought of as his masterpiece. The six staves you see at the bottom are all for the piano; this is a fairly extreme example of a notational procedure he used quite a lot.

77 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) - We've had one piece from this composer on this thread. He's British, as has been established. He's not Elgar, as has been established. But he died the same year as Elgar, which pretty much narrows him down to one of the other two famous British composer who dies that year. I think it obvious which on he is. This piece contains a part for wordless chorus , though not on this page, with its intricate rhythms.

78 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785) - A early 20th century Scriabin-y Russian modernist, with the strange notation on the final line (I trust you've spotted it). Not Mosolov, the other one  ;D ;)

82 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793) - Also Russian, a 20th century set of 24 Preludes and Fugues. But not Shostakovich. A look at the rhythmical style here may help.

83 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796) - Another Russian, one already found on this thread. This work has been recorded on ECM
(Greg has identified this)

84 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797) - semi-spectralist piece inspired by a famous Tuner painting which adorns the front of the score. British composer, the last 'Thomas Ades' (i.e. best 'British composer since Britten') before the current one (and attended the same college as Ades, which is also my old one). Ex-Messiaen pupil - OM said he had an ear as good as Mozart's.
(and Greg's also identified this)

85 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798) - There is a complex appearance to this page - nested tuplets and jagged atonal figurations - which one doesn't normally associate with this composer, whose most famous work is one of the great Popular Classics. This is a programmatic piano piece whose subject comes from a Shakespeare play whose name shall not be spoken here.

86 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800) - A Maciek-piece. The most obvious clue about its composer is too obvious. Perhaps that fact itself is a clue, who knows? One of the few composer from his country who Maciek hasn't posted here yet   :P , but one of the most famous names.

87 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809) - British composer, in his fifites. A viola concerto full of nostalgic quotations, all linked the Beethoven 'Lebewohl' horn-call

88 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060) -12 tone composition for full orchestra. Not a symphony, though its composer wrote a few. Post-Schoenbergian dodecaphonist, Spanish by birth but adopted as English.

89 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063) - also composer of no 105, one of the most important 20th century composers. This comes from a two-hander opera. Surely you don't need more.  ;)

98 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100) Had him before. Never mind the notes here, look at the style of the score.

100 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105) written by a great musical lexocographer and wit, whose advert for 'Castoria' is one of the great musical delights I know of.

102 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114) -  British composer of  9 symphonies. This one was inspired by a vision of multicultural harmony following race riots in the 50s (IIRC)

104 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123) - a one-time disciple of Satie, though they fell out over a schoolboy prank. As I said, a major composer, and one of his finest but comparatively little-known works.

105 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124) - see 89

108 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132) - - same composer (British) as one of those I posted today

109 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133) - same composer as no 85, but much better-known, from the same set as that 'Popular Classic' I talked about.



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 05:24:12 AM
LO 65- Debussy- Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 05:51:49 AM
83 looks like it's by Schnittke....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 05:57:01 AM
i've got LO 83- Schnittke- Penintential Psalms

(if not, that'll be surprising!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:25:41 AM
Nice one, Greg.  :) Both correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 18, 2007, 06:30:40 AM
I recall that Jaromir Weniberger  (of Schwanda fame) wrote a set of variations on "Three Blind Mice". I believe this is LO 111.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:32:18 AM
You might be right about the Weinberger, but this piece isn't by him, sorry! It's a composer we've already had on this thread, if that helps.

So, MM 17 looks like Kilar's Angelus to me. I have a recording, but didn't recall the piece.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 18, 2007, 06:41:14 AM
Luke, you've just given LO 70 away as Janacek's Mladi. Really, I should have known that one without the help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 18, 2007, 06:48:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:32:18 AM
You might be right about the Weinberger,

As it turns out, I'm not even right about that.  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:50:16 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on October 18, 2007, 06:41:14 AM
Luke, you've just given LO 70 away as Janacek's Mladi. Really, I should have known that one without the help.

Yes, it was a give-away, but that is deliberate; I think some of my others are give-aways too. I've been confused about some of these scores still not being guessed, so quite a few of my clues are geared towards simply getting them out of the way now!

Mladi it is, the end of the slow movement, with its peculiar 17/16 bars
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 06:50:24 AM
LO 84- George Benjamin......

one of these:
Altitude
Ringed by the Flat Horizon
At First Light
Fanfare for Aquarius
Antara
Sudden Time

but i don't know the rules on how many guesses you can make (i've never heard George Benjamin before, i have no idea which)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:58:15 AM
It is one of those. And as he's a composer you'd probably love, it is imperative that you now go out and buy all these pieces so that you can track down which one.  ;D It is my still favourite piece by Benjamin, though it is not one of his more recent works. The clue about Turner is important - there's only one of these works that that applies to!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 18, 2007, 07:06:06 AM
QuoteYes, sorry, I didn't see this one before!

Put me down as a Benjamin fan - though I'm afraid I still prefer his earlier works, up to about the Three Inventions. At First Light and A Mind of Winter particularly are just unsurpassable IMO. Having just claimed a feeling of kinship with the 1972 LSSO on the Brian thread (because I was a member of the orchestra long time later) I must also say I feel some kind of a connection to Benjamin (and to Judith Weir and Tom Ades) simply because he/they all studied music at the same place as me, albeit a while earlier; also, Benjamin's Ringed by the Flat Horizon, which brought him to prominence, was first performed as the winner of a university composition competition which I also, sort of, won, or would have had my piece been for smaller forces!

But of course none of that is really important except to me. What I adore about those works of Benjamin's I mentioned is their stunning aural imagination - small forces in each creating the most awesome and precisely imagined sounds. Benjamin is influenced by the spectralists - he is close to Murail IIRC - and this shows in the consumate yet unusual aural effects in some of these works (such as the big E flat pedal+harmonics towards the end of At First Light) but he isn't committed to one technique; his music has great scope and imagination.

Boris, if you liked the last movement of Ringed by the Flat Horizon you will probably like the parallel section of At First Light, which is similar in concept but more subtly coloured and almost shockingly beautiful IMO - those chords melting into each other gorgeously!
so.... it's "At First Light?"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 07:11:23 AM
That's the one. I get the sense my new clues are helping.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 18, 2007, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 06:32:18 AM
You might be right about the Weinberger, but this piece isn't by him, sorry! It's a composer we've already had on this thread, if that helps.

So, MM 17 looks like Kilar's Angelus to me. I have a recording, but didn't recall the piece.  :-[

Correct. I'll remove the clue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:30:21 AM
In the mood for more?

119 - (I've missed off 118 because I mucked up the numbering with two no 77s earlier) - nice big sample, clear text, stylistic traits everywhere, other clues for the getting - no extras needed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:34:57 AM
120 - a transcription of a great composer by another great composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:38:05 AM
121 - I've left a big clue here. This comes from the climax of one of the great little chamber operas of the last half century. A genuine little masterpiece, one of its composer's best. There's already been a score by him on this thread.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:44:12 AM
122 - very clear again, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:47:47 AM
123 - the last bars of a set of pieces. Has a similarity with my 82; compared with the opening of this piece, this page also exhibits a structural similarity with my example 103
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:53:36 AM
124 - an early work by a composer not typically associated with solo piano. I'll leave it like that, but more clues if necessary.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 04:57:37 AM
125 - the composer in his Neapolitan vein here. Spiky here, this piece is elsewhere suffused with sumptuous Mediterranean lyricism. I really admire this work in many ways, though maybe that's a bit unfashionable.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:00:25 AM
126 - unusually, this score comes from a CD liner note. The whole thing is reproduced over the first few pages of the booklet. One for Guido - if he doesn't know it he should learn it! It was written for and recorded by a certain recently deceased Russian cellist. I'm sure I don't need to tell you who.

127 - written as exercises for a composer-performer, who used/uses them as a basis for improvisation. The little squiggly signs above each group of notes is actually an 'infinity' sign, signifying that repetition is quite important to this composer.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:03:00 AM
128 - a double canon at the ninth, though that begins to become freer on this final page. This piece was written as a counterpoint exercise, and partly in jest if the mock antique handwriting of the manuscript is a guide. But it is to my mind a very moving and beautiful work indeed. You could say that its composer is one of the big names.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:13:05 AM

129 - for some of this set I have taken copies of pages from a couple of books. This one comes from a book called Contemporary British Music or something of that sort, and once again it is one for Maciek. This composer used to live down the road from me when I was young.

130 - no comments just for now - some of you might well know this one straight off
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:14:13 AM
131 - one of its composer finest but lesser-known works, and also one of my favourites. Many of his stylistic traits are visible here. He is A Big Name.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 19, 2007, 05:19:02 AM
LO 129 - I've never really heard or seen it but based on your description and the instruments it's scored for, and that snippet of text visible, I'm guessing it's Panufnik's Universal Prayer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:20:19 AM
 ;D Got my little clue, there, I see  ;D No, right composer, wrong piece.... Scrub that, sorry, wasn't concentrating: YES!! right composer, right piece

132 - looks hideously hard, but there are several big clues here. Taken from the masterpiece of one of the great twentieth century composers, but one who for too long was rather overshadowed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:23:14 AM
133 - this might be quite hard, and I'll happily give clues (I've left some on the score itself). But this piece has been recorded more than once, including on Naxos in the last few years, and may well be known by some here, so no more clues for now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:24:34 AM
LO 119 - Serenade to Music by RVW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:27:03 AM
LO 121 -- The Lighthouse by Peter Maxwell Davies
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:28:39 AM
LO 122 -- RVW again. This one is the Sea Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:30:21 AM
All correct, Mark.  :D

134 - no clues yet. The composer is the key here; for all I know, the piece may be impossible to find, so I will chip in if necessary.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:34:24 AM
135 - one of the monuments of Experimental Music [British Division]. This composer is already represented on this thread. That makes it rather easy, perhaps.

136 - quite easy, I think. A sort of modern counterpart to Steve's no 11, Cordier's heart-shaped acrostic score, I think, though that isn't a clue, it's simply blatantly obvious!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:39:31 AM
LO 136 -- Peter Maxwell Davies again. 8 Songs for a Mad King
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:41:17 AM
137 - four pieces here, all by the same composer. The titles aren't much help, I don't really know why I blanked them out.  ;D  ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:45:41 AM
138 - back to basics: a nice straightforward score here.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:46:18 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:39:31 AM
LO 136 -- Peter Maxwell Davies again. 8 Songs for a Mad King

Yep
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:49:14 AM
LO 131- Brahms: Nänie
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:00:59 AM
Correct on the Brahms, Mark. A beautiful piece, isn't it?

139 - this score is adorned with skeletons, skulls, coffins and Dies Irae trumpets. As perhaps you can see.   ::)

140 - composer is very clear, I think, with his idiosyncratic markings and prophetic techniques

141 - as the note at the top of the score says, this piece uses a special notation invented by.....

142 - as 138: keeping it simple
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:03:11 AM
Sean, do I see you lurking on this thread? See what you've done?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:05:05 AM
143 - say what you see....

144 - I'm know for sure there's lots to say about this composer, but as far as I'm concerned he only features in my CD collection on a recording of Porgy and Bess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on October 19, 2007, 06:06:11 AM
Hello there guys, hope you're getting on okay. Hey this is must be the longest thread I ever started! I'd be well out my depth though, I'm not sure how you boffins can find so many answers!

For the moment there's no way I can find time for the forum here- I need to find a better job for one thing, hoping then to work till I can do a doctorate on something in minimalism next year at Birmingham uni. At 38 it's kind of a mad idea but verbiage is the only thing I'm qualified for anyway.

Presently listening to Schubert songs and masses, Haydn quartets, Sacchini's Oepide and The Tales of Hoffmann.

Have fun!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 06:06:59 AM
137 is La Monte Young

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Compositions 1960, I suppose :-)

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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 06:10:54 AM
So Sean appears, comments on the thread, and goes promptly guest again?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:13:26 AM
Is he 'Guest' already? I didn't even have time to give him the proper 'hello' I wanted to...

Correct on the La Monte Young, Karl. And I'll give you the titles, though they're aren't precisely right!

145 - no comment (except LOL) just yet

146 - as soon as you look at this piece, I am sure you will agree with me that its absurdly modernist idiom meant that it absolutely merited the censure it received. It was in fact banned, and the stated reason for this banning is to be found on this page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:14:15 AM
147 - no clues yet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 06:17:45 AM
In the Wild Guess Department, Luke, I'm saying Britten on 146, just because it looks so much like the Jubilate Deo we've been rehearsing at St Paul's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:26:16 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 06:17:45 AM
In the Wild Guess Department, Luke, I'm saying Britten on 146, just because it looks so much like the Jubilate Deo we've been rehearsing at St Paul's.

'fraid not, Karl. An early and little known piece by a famous composer already on this thread more than once.

148 - I wish I could track down a recording of this piece, just for fun, but I don't think there is one. This is a collaborative effort between two composers, each a specialist in one of the disciplines it embodies. Either composer will do, but if you get one you will probably get the other
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 19, 2007, 06:27:54 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 05:41:17 AM
137 - four pieces here, all by the same composer. The titles aren't much help, I don't really know why I blanked them out.  ;D  ::)
i could tell it was LaMonte Young, with the butterfly thing going on- but whoa, that other stuff on the page.....  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 06:29:39 AM
149 - also no clues yet here.

That's the last one.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 19, 2007, 06:41:44 AM
143- Glass- Music in Contrary Motion?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 11:24:19 AM
Not quite. Like I said, say what you see. Ergo:

Glass - Music in.........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 19, 2007, 11:36:17 AM
Similar Motion?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 11:37:21 AM
forget about your motions, Greg.....  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 19, 2007, 11:42:18 AM
(* ahem *)

Music in Fifths
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 11:58:56 AM
Did you spot the parallel hiding in there, Karl?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 19, 2007, 03:17:30 PM
Luke, I don't know 126 I'm afraid. I will searchit out when its revealed.

Is no.125 Walton's violin concerto? The cello concerto is far better than you think!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 03:25:25 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 19, 2007, 03:17:30 PM
Luke, I don't know 126 I'm afraid. I will searchit out when its revealed.

Is no.125 Walton's violin concerto? The cello concerto is far better than you think!

Hmmm, yet to be convinced..... yes, this is the Violin Concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 19, 2007, 04:23:46 PM
What do you think of the violin Sonata? Oh and by the way I very much like the viola concerto now - I think my initial dislike of it was because I got to know Walton through his later works, and the viola concerto seemed a bit plain in comparison with the lush and exotic tone of his later works. I still wish it had a bit more variation throughout (it all becomes a bit samey after a while), but I realise that it is a work of great subtlety and poetry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 19, 2007, 11:24:19 AM
Not quite. Like I said, say what you see. Ergo:

Glass - Music in.........

Twelve Parts
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on October 19, 2007, 06:59:32 PM
146 is Ligeti's Concert Românesc.

It was banned for a single F# in the context of F Major. I remember seeing that exact section of score in the notes for Ligeti Project II. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on October 19, 2007, 07:51:08 PM
Is 128 a work by Arvo Pärt? From the instrumentation it looks as if it's something for chorus and organ but I have no idea which since I haven't heard much from him... If so, I'll take a wild guess and say An den Wassern zu Babel saßen wir und weinten.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 20, 2007, 03:13:43 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on October 19, 2007, 06:59:32 PM
146 is Ligeti's Concert Românesc.

It was banned for a single F# in the context of F Major. I remember seeing that exact section of score in the notes for Ligeti Project II. ;D

Correct. And that hideous, heinous F# is seen in the clarinet part of the first bar of this sample. And yes, that is where I got the score from, too! ;D

Quote from: Symphonien on October 19, 2007, 07:51:08 PM
Is 128 a work by Arvo Pärt? From the instrumentation it looks as if it's something for chorus and organ but I have no idea which since I haven't heard much from him... If so, I'll take a wild guess and say An den Wassern zu Babel saßen wir und weinten.

It is chorus and organ, but it isn't Part, though it is every bit as ravishing as Part and then some. A much more famous composer.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 20, 2007, 03:18:04 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on October 19, 2007, 05:57:28 PM
Twelve Parts

No, Karl already got it - Music in Fifths.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 20, 2007, 03:23:23 AM
TTT, as before (smaller font required now!)

Just FYI, and as an extra, general clue, there are some of mine which come from major works which most of you will certainly know, so if you look at them carefully you will probably recognise them. At the most cautious estimate, I'd say they are numbers 89, 109 and 113.


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt T?cut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - Birtwistle - Monody for Corpus Christi - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry, just saw this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - Holloway - Romanza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - Ellington - Heaven (from The Sacred Concerts) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)
150 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
151 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
152 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920)
153 - Adams - Harmonium - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922)
154 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925)
155 - Babbitt - Philomel - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95929.html#msg95929)
156 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931)
157 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933)
158 - Clara Schumann - op 23/3 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95935.html#msg95935)
159 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936)
160 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938)
161 - Webern - Kinderstuck - (Greg arr. Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95939.html#msg95939)
162 - Harrison - Peace Piece - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95940.html#msg95940)
163 - Ades - Arcadiana - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95941.html#msg95941)
164a and 164b (same piece_ - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevi?ius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - Penderecki - Song of the Cherubim - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on October 20, 2007, 05:29:55 PM
149: Duke Ellington - Heaven

53: The closest thing I can find is Birtwistle's Monody for Corpus Christi for soprano, flute, violin and horn but you said it was for voice + two instruments...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 02:30:12 AM
Yes, you're right on both - and apologies for my lack of concentration (again) over the Birtwistle clue all those weeks ago!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:03:09 PM

Onwards and upwards,

(http://www.math.cornell.edu/~alozano/talks/infinity/buzzlightyear.jpg)

Well, to 163 and then I'll stop for a few days, promise.....

150 - vocal part only; the other part isn't available.

151 - the end of a movement here, from one of a set of six Sonatinas. Spot the quotation - this is the point at which it is most clear, but the whole Sonatina is based on the three constituent parts of this quotation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:04:51 PM
152 - another one taken from liner notes - same label as the other one I had. The pianist who recorded it on this label also recorded no 156 on the same label
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:09:16 PM
153 - a positively pornographic piece, I've chosen the - shall we say - 'climax' of the last movement (well, the final convulsions are on the next page). This isn't my interpretation, it is written into the text set, though that isn't clear here (obviously and understandably the chorus lose the ability to enunciate properly at this point!).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:10:40 PM
154 - composer has already been on this thread more than once
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 21, 2007, 03:11:35 PM
I assume that the orgasm piece is the piece that you PMed me about, so I'll keep stum.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:17:06 PM
It might be - use your stylistic knowledge. And stop giving the impression that we have some kind of dodgy PM relationship  ;D    But, hey, if you have the knowledge, it doesn't matter how you got it.

155 - no clues on any of the following just yet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:22:04 PM
156 -
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:25:37 PM
157 -
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 21, 2007, 03:26:50 PM
Well it looks exactly as I would expect a score of this composer to look. I won't claim it as it will be more fun for other people to find it out.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:17:06 PM
And stop giving the impression that we have some kind of dodgy PM relationship  ;D

lol! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:29:20 PM
158 -
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:33:53 PM
159 -
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:37:57 PM
160 - Steve will probably get this quite quickly
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
161 - composer has been on the thread already, but I think he is obvious anyway. It's the piece that may prove harder.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:43:10 PM
162 - I've left the title of this first part in place, but not the overall title.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:44:38 PM
163 - again, a movement title in place. Each movement of this piece draws on some other piece or musical type.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 21, 2007, 03:50:10 PM
LO 162 Peace Piece by Lou Harrison
LO 163 Arcadiana by Thomas Adès

I haven't heard either of these. Any good?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:53:07 PM
Wow, that was quick!  ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o

Did I leave any careless clues, or are you, in fact, a genius?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 21, 2007, 04:01:19 PM
No genius here. Your throne of ultimate score knowledge is not contested. The fact you left the title in may have made it a tad too easy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 04:03:53 PM
Did I? Where? It's getting late, perhaps that's why I can't see it! (I chucked these two in at the last minute, too, but that's no excuse)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 21, 2007, 04:05:29 PM
"Invocation for the health of all beings", and "O Albion".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 04:08:48 PM
Oh yes, them. Well, I left them in on purpose, obviously and I did think that someone with a little nous might google them. That's why I left them, of course - this quiz is no fun if the things aren't gettable at all. But based on some of my last ones - which I think are very easy but which haven't been guessed yet - I wasn't expecting anyone to get 'em so quickly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 04:12:31 PM
You can download most of the score to Arcadiana at the BMIC. Each section centres around some Arcadian vision - O Albion, of course, is Edwardian, Elgarian England. You can see, I hope, the Enigma (Nimrod) reference - the held pianissimo G pivoting into rich E flat major, with a sequential Elgarian tone. But this isn't a pastiche, it is multilayered and very effective. As with George Benjamin, I find I prefer Ades' earlier (but not earliest) music, which is probably a sign of my own immature ear.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 22, 2007, 03:59:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
161 - composer has been on the thread already, but I think he is obvious anyway. It's the piece that may prove harder.

So it won't be enough for me to name Webern, I must scare up the piece  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 22, 2007, 05:47:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
161 - composer has been on the thread already, but I think he is obvious anyway. It's the piece that may prove harder.
LO161- Webern- Klavierstuck (1924)

my first guess!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 22, 2007, 05:50:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2007, 03:17:06 PM
It might be - use your stylistic knowledge. And stop giving the impression that we have some kind of dodgy PM relationship  ;D    But, hey, if you have the knowledge, it doesn't matter how you got it.

155 - no clues on any of the following just yet
LO155- Babbitt- Philomel
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 22, 2007, 07:32:41 PM
158 sure looks like Schumann, but somehow I fear saying 151 is Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony won't be the right answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:53:26 AM
Greg, Karl, Webern is right, but that's not quite the right piece, Greg (though on my current record of lack-of-attention it could be, knowing me I could be imagining it to be something else, and I'm not at home so I can't check right now!)

Philomel is correct, Greg

Larry, I need a bit more on the song. And no, the Pastoral isn't quite right  ;) , though of course you've correctly identified the passage on which the whole Sonatina is based - one movement for each bird, actually, except this coda to the second movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on October 23, 2007, 05:12:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:53:26 AM
Larry, I need a bit more on the song.

It is Clara Schumann's Op. 23/3. The piano textures look amazingly like Robert's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 23, 2007, 05:34:28 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:53:26 AM
Greg, Karl, Webern is right, but that's not quite the right piece, Greg (though on my current record of lack-of-attention it could be, knowing me I could be imagining it to be something else, and I'm not at home so I can't check right now!)
it is the right piece, i just checked and the scores match up exactly
Klavierstuck, Piano Piece, same thing i guess
attached- the pdf version from IMSLP, the title in Russian
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 05:47:44 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:53:26 AM
Greg, Karl, Webern is right, but that's not quite the right piece, Greg (though on my current record of lack-of-attention it could be, knowing me I could be imagining it to be something else, and I'm not at home so I can't check right now!)

Unpublished Kinderstück.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 23, 2007, 05:52:48 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 05:47:44 AM
Unpublished Kinderstück.
yeah, i think that's right now. I checked on my Webern CDs and there is a short track "Kinderstück (1924)". So this means when i saved the file, i named it the wrong thing, or it was just originally named the wrong thing by whoever uploaded it. Did you use your stealthy Russian decoding skills?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 06:02:37 AM
Yes, I thank you for an assist, Greg! Детская Пьеса is the Russian for Kinderstück  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 06:03:20 AM
Of course, there's something endearing about Webern opening a child's piece with an augmented octave . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 23, 2007, 06:08:54 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 06:03:20 AM
Of course, there's something endearing about Webern opening a child's piece with an augmented octave . . . .
maybe he wrote it for Chris Forbes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 08:20:05 AM
Kinderstuck is the name I had in mind - it's how I've seen it referred to elsewhere too. And Larry is right on the Clara - and yes, it does look like Robert! Which is why I chose it, of course....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 08:28:48 AM
(Quietly enjoying the fact that the score sample I described as 'pornographic' has been viewed more than any other....not quite sure what all viewers were expecting! - it's still only a score....)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 23, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
Quote(Quietly enjoying the fact that the score sample I described as 'pornographic' has been viewed more than any other....not quite sure what all viewers were expecting! - it's still only a score....)

haha. A little surprising that no one has got the composer at least - Even I would have been able to get that from the look of the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 09:26:33 AM
...especially seeing as I've already posted a score by this same composer, from the same publisher (another clue)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 09:33:08 AM
I still think you ought to claim that one, Guido, btw. After all, you know the answer, it doesn't matter that I told you about this piece.

There's another one in here you ought to know too, if you look back at my clues. (I don't mean the solo cello one.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 09:34:19 AM
I haven't gotten around to any score labeled prawn-o-graphic; must be an aversion to shellfish  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:15:06 PM
See if you can winkle it out. Top of page 58
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 12:36:05 PM
It isn't too indelicate for an Essentially Shy Person such as myself?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:37:07 PM
The harp part is quite chaste - keep your eyes fixed on that.


BTW, I meant to guess a few days ago that Maciek's no 20 might be Penderecki's Song of the Cherubim. To be honest, I' very incertain about this - it doesn't really match those bits of the piece I've heard - but the piece would fit some of Maciek's clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
I see Larry here - not sure if you'ver seen no 115 Larry (pg 54) but that is one I think you'll know. In addition to the others I mentioned - 89, 109, 113...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:37:07 PM
The harp part is quite chaste - keep your eyes fixed on that.

Hah! You got me to look.  The print is pale, but if there's a harp there, it's eluded me!  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:44:56 PM
At least it isn't pink....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:46:27 PM
Ah yes, sorry, piano. I was, quite understandably, looking through half closed eyes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:47:18 PM
I'm really not doing well on the paying-attention-and-thinking-things-through front at the moment, as you may have noticed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 23, 2007, 12:47:56 PM
Well, you are burning the oil, lad!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:48:55 PM
Yes, but not right now. No such excuse at the moment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 23, 2007, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2007, 12:37:07 PM
BTW, I meant to guess a few days ago that Maciek's no 20 might be Penderecki's Song of the Cherubim. To be honest, I' very incertain about this - it doesn't really match those bits of the piece I've heard - but the piece would fit some of Maciek's clues.

Bad performances, good clues. :P You're right. I think it's a pretty good piece, and I generally think everything Penderecki writes for choir is almost always at least very good.

Over the last week I've been reviewing my opinion of Penderecki - this was triggered by my first exposure to his 8th Symphony (well, the part he has written so far - he says it will be more than twice as long when it's finished). I liked it very much. Also, I've been relistening to his Credo, and must say I enjoy that very much too. So maybe it's just the Polish Requiem that I hate (except for one or two movements). And that one Symphony whose number I have promptly erased from memory...

On another note, as much as I'd love to take a guess at one of yours, Luke, I really don't have time to give them a good look at the moment. I'll also try to add some clues to those of mine that are still left unguessed - maybe later tonight, or perhaps tomorrow, or.................... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 23, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
Ok Ok... Wild Nights movement of John Adams' Harmonium - I really want to hear it now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 23, 2007, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2007, 02:18:49 AM
114 - a piece which Guido ought to know  ;) A beautiful, seductive and wonderfully-written work for violin and small orchestra, in a 'post tonal' (whatever that means) neo-romantic kind of vein. This composer is often known as a post-modernist, however. Whatever school he is pigeon-holed in, this is a very fine work. The centre of the piece seems to me to be based around a slightly distorted version of the subject of the D major Fugue from Book 2 of the WTC, and though I haven't read that this is intentional, I'm pretty sure, knowing the way this composer works, that it is.

Is this the one you referred to more recently (below)? I don't think I know it.

QuoteThere's another one in here you ought to know too, if you look back at my clues. (I don't mean the solo cello one.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 24, 2007, 12:24:54 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 23, 2007, 02:56:10 PM
Is this the one you referred to more recently (below)? I don't think I know it.


I didn't say you knew it. I said you ought to.... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 24, 2007, 04:12:25 AM
Yeah I know - I look forward to it being revealed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 24, 2007, 06:05:37 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 23, 2007, 01:58:34 PM
Over the last week I've been reviewing my opinion of Penderecki - this was triggered by my first exposure to his 8th Symphony (well, the part he has written so far - he says it will be more than twice as long when it's finished).

ok, interesting...... i have a question. This is from his wikipedia article:

   
Quote* Symphony No. 1 (1973)
    * Symphony No. 2 Christmas (1980)
    * Symphony No. 3 (1988-1995)
    * Symphony No. 4 Adagio (1989), winner of the 1992 Grawemeyer Award for Music Composition
    * Symphony No. 5 Korean (1991-2)
    * Symphony No. 6 (in progress)
    * Symphony No. 7 Seven Gates of Jerusalem (1996), for voices and orchestra
    * Symphony No. 8 Lieder der Vergänglichkeit (2004-05), for voices and orchestra
are you referring to his 6th symphony or 8th? It says the 8th is finished (though i've never found a recording of it)..... i assume you're talking about the 6th, right? And if he's calling it the 6th the 8th, that's even more confusing!

how'd you get to listen to the first part of the 6th/8th?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2007, 11:54:57 AM
Greg, those are just crude, uninformed lies. ;D The version of the 8th that can sometimes be heard performed is about 30 mins long. Penderecki says the Symphony will last about 70 minutes when he completes it. So it's not completed and that's probably the reason it hasn't been recorded yet. (Also, I have reason to doubt I will actually still like it when it's finished - right now it's a great song cycle - but 70 minutes? come on! will this guy never learn?)

If you like, I can upload the performance I listened to. It has a glitch or two but nothing tragic.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 24, 2007, 11:55:40 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 23, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
Ok Ok... Wild Nights movement of John Adams' Harmonium - I really want to hear it now.

Correct. And your wish is my command: a snippet (low quality) of the relevant section, from a point a few moments before my quoted page to the musical equivalent of the lighting of the post-coital ciggie. If I write that it is pornographic again, does that mean more people will listen?

Words (Dickinson), as you hear them here, all much repeated and mangled in the music:

Wild Night
Were I with thee
Wild Nights should be
Our luxury //

Were I with thee
Rowing
and rowing
Ah the Sea
Might I but moor
Tonight in Thee
rowing in Eden....

Adams achieves this simple but powerful effect through what he calls (or called at the time) harmonic 'gates' - drastically slowed down chord changes so that each shift takes on great force. This is a more subjective, romantic use of harmony to that in e.g. Steve Reich, even though the technique itself is similar. It actually takes Adams quite close to Sibelius and Bruckner territory, two composers who also often slow down harmonic rhythm so that chord changes become 'tectonic' in effect. About 'Wild Nights' specifically, Adams says that the 'successive shifts of key ('gates') are abrupt transitions that act like a continuously accelerating centrifuge...'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 24, 2007, 03:04:51 PM
Wow - I want to hear the rest of the piece!

For anyone that is interested (no one...?) I messaged Luke that I thought Rachmaninov Symphony no.2 is positively pornographic - the amount of musical orgasms it contains is obscene! Probably my favourite piece by Rachmaninov (and the 2nd and 4th PCs....)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 25, 2007, 05:22:59 AM
Indulge me...

I have a friend whose score collection dwarfs any other I know outside libraries. The really odd thing, though, is that he hardly has any scores from the core repertory - everything is outlandish, huge, peculiar, ultra-obscure, record-breaking.... it's his obsession, and it leads him down amazing routes. He approaches composers fearlessly, phoning them up, writing to them, even visiting them at home, and almost always gets a positive result (composer just want to be loved!). For instance, I was chatting to him a while ago, and he excused himself thusly: 'can I come back in a minute, Luke, I'm just MSNing with Horatiu Radulescu'; another time he traveled to Orkney hoping to meet Maxwell Davies, and ended up staying the night... :o ;D

Anyway...a long time ago he sent me a disc with a few scores scanned in, one of which is one of the most beautiful scores I've seen - hand-engraved as faultlessly as a Crumb score, but covered with graphic designs. It is not actually too obscure (that is, the composer is one many here will have heard of), so maybe someone will be able to hazard a guess (though I know I wouldn't if I didn't know it!). For a change, two sample pages - but any of the score would have done
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Lethevich on October 25, 2007, 05:38:14 AM
Chorus and tape... semi famous composer... psychadelic manuscript... Tavener - The Whale?

(total shot in the dark :P)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 25, 2007, 05:42:43 AM
No - if Tavener is a semi-famous composer, I suppose this guy is a demisemi-famous one at best. Though still a known name.

HOWEVER - this is a good guess, and on the strength of it and the fact that I need more of mine to be guessed, I will give you the huge clue that another of mine from the last week or two is from The Whale.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 25, 2007, 06:49:18 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 24, 2007, 11:54:57 AM
Greg, those are just crude, uninformed lies. ;D The version of the 8th that can sometimes be heard performed is about 30 mins long. Penderecki says the Symphony will last about 70 minutes when he completes it. So it's not completed and that's probably the reason it hasn't been recorded yet. (Also, I have reason to doubt I will actually still like it when it's finished - right now it's a great song cycle - but 70 minutes? come on! will this guy never learn?)

If you like, I can upload the performance I listened to. It has a glitch or two but nothing tragic.
sweeeeeeeeet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 25, 2007, 11:05:31 AM
I'm going to guess LO114 is Robin Holloway's Romanza for violin an small orchestra. I amaze even myself sometimes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 25, 2007, 11:15:56 AM
Wow  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 25, 2007, 03:39:08 PM
OK, I'm getting a bit lost, so I'll just repost my unguessed scores with clues added:

MM11
MM11 is one of the most beautiful pieces of contemporary music I've heard recently - I was a bit obsessed with it for a while recently. It is played extremely slowly (this is page four of the score, and it begins past the fourth minute of the piece!). The piece quotes a certain composition by a certain very, very famous composer extensively. MM11 is one in a series, all written using a similar "technique".
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM11.mp3[/mp3]
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM11.jpg)
The composer of this work is very well known in his/her country. Still, AFAIK, there's only one CD dedicated solely to this composer's work, and that is a recording of a Requiem mass. This composer has written a series of pieces the titles of which reflect the composer's attitude towards the musical past. This is one of them. If you recognize the material the composer is using here (a piece by a certain very famous Romantic composer), all you'll need to do is take the generic title our composer uses for this series and fill in the blank. Of course, recognizing the material might prove a bit difficult.

MM12
This is not my favorite piece by this composer but I've come to appreciate it much more recently. And it is certainly the most interesting of his scores that I've seen. If you've ever heard the piece it won't take you a minute to recognize the sung melody noted in the middle of the page. Incidentally, the composer of MM13 has also written a large piece which has a section with very similar melodic elements (at least to my ear). I think they both quoted from the same (folk) material but am not sure.
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM12.mp3[/mp3]
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM12.jpg)
The composer of this work is definitely the most famous living composer from this country. Almost a cult figure. This composer has developed a very peculiar brand of music which could be called folk inspired minimalism. The example comes from this composer's most famous work. It is the second part of a cycle comprised of four large works. It is scored for, among others, certain ancient folk instruments which in performance are usually substituted by their modern classical counterparts.

MM13
This piece contains lots of minuscule quotes from a certain composer, most of them difficult to notice at first. One especially blatant one is the last couple of notes before the strings come in...  The quotes won't lead you to the composer or title of this piece straight away but at least you'll get a hint at the subtitle of it. :P
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM13.mp3[/mp3]
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM13.jpg)
The title of this piece has something to do with the seasons. The subtitle, OTOH, evokes the Christian name of a certain very famous Romantic composer. The season evoked in the title is the time of the year when this Romantic composer died. The quotations in this piece are always very tiny, most of the music is newly written but in close imitation of the style, or at least spirit, of the composer being evoked. The composer of this piece has also written several other pieces evoking the work of other composers but they don't really form a cycle of any sort.

MM15
What you may take to be some sort of lead here, may in fact turn out to be very misleading... How's that for a cryptic clue? ;D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM15.jpg)
OK, a bit more: young composer. I'm not really that much of a fan, and this piece isn't exactly a masterpiece - but I love the way it manages to look relatively simple while it is at times very complex rhythmically (well, perhaps not on this page...).
This composer was born in 1965. This composer isn't exactly world famous but is very well known in a certain seaside town. The piece is for a singing pianist. The text comes from a poem by a poet probably unknown in English speaking countries. He is not even known in Poland (though a small volume of his poems came out a couple of years ago).

MM18
You'll notice there's a quote here right away. But I'm not sure if recognizing that will lead you any closer to the answer - unless, of course, you know the piece. It happens to be the last thing this composer ever wrote. And perhaps his best composition (IMO).
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM18.mp3[/mp3]
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM18.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM18.jpg)
This is the last work this composer completed before death. The subject of the text the music is set to is death itself. This can probably be guessed if you identify the really obvious quote of an extremely famous theme. The largest work this composer ever wrote was an opera (this composer only wrote one). This composer's work seems to have been inspired by literature very often - for instance, this composer would entitle pieces by using the names of literary genres. This piece is a setting of three poems by a poet who had been extremely popular among composers in the 20th century. Almost every major composer in this poet's country has written at least one song to a text by him.

MM24
Looks very much like everything else by this composer that I've ever seen. I've seen very little, mind you! ;D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM24.jpg)
The most famous piece by this composer is based on the numbers 7 and 13.



Plus I remind you of the "general" clues:

2 of the composers are women. The names of both female composer start with the same letter! :o

These composers come from 3 different countries. One of the composers is American, all the rest are Europeans.

All of the composers are contemporary. ::)

Except for one, all of the composers can safely be called famous - meaning that they are considered to be among the very best contemporary composers of their respective countries. If very hard pressed I would unwillingly cross out one more - but the remaining really are among the strictly selected creme de la creme.

Except for one, all of the composers are alive today.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 25, 2007, 03:56:33 PM
And OK, more clues/new clues on my missing ones. I'm fairly sure people must have missed some of these clues the last time round, because in places they are about as blatant as I can make them without spelling out the composer's name! I've now made several of them even more blatant - bold shows where I've added additional information to that already given, which is especially the case in the ones which have been hanging around longest. Most of these clues make the answers easy to find, I hope.

44 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)    - we've established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I'll add that he is one of those much-lamented 'died-too-soon' composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I'll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer's output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an 'Eastern' title. I don't think I can give more clues than this. Seems I have to! - first name is Jehan.

55 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) - As established, this is Suk. This example isn't from Asrael, but from a slightly later, and very wonderful piece. It is taken from the third movement, and the instrumentation in that movement is much reduced from that in the rest of the piece. Large orchestral piece, but slightly set apart from the Asrael set that also includes Ripening and Epilogue. Which leaves only one piece it can be

57 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952) - Already established - this is Liadov. This is not a single movement orchestral miniature as e.g. Kikimora or The Enchanted Lake. The character of the tune in the horn tells you what kind of a work this is.

58 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953) - Larry's nearly got this - a male voice piece by Schoenberg; surely a little searching will reveal the title. It's an awesome work, in its own way. Schoenberg only wrote one set of male voice choruses AFAIK!

59 and  60  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539) - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation {I've said elsewhere - this is Scriabin]. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of Scriabinesque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. Each had very strong, childhood, formative links to Scriabin, hence the understandable resemblance. I'll now also add that one of these composer never got the chance to develop beyond childhood; the other became world famous, but not as a composer. BREAKING NEWS - Guido has identified one of these as Scriabin's son Julian, a child prodigy who died very young...but which? And who's the other one....?


62 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540) - An extremely prolific, well-known composer. The harmonic nature of the big pile-up of chords in the centre of the page reveal a technique of which this composer was an early and famous exponent (he is really the textbook example, I suppose). The work itself is simply a non-programmatic piece in a standard form. This composer was a member of Les Six. This narrows it down to...let me see....six composers. Of whom only one fits the above clues. Come on, people! Guido has identified this as Milhaud's Piano Sonata


69 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)- this is the vortex at the heart of a movement which has been called [something along the lines of] 'the greatest piece in sonata from between Beethoven and Brahms' and I won't disagree - this a breath-taking work, one which astonishes in so many different ways. The odd key is significant. The use of a single line of notes is also typical of the finely judged irony of this composer - this is the simplest sounding music of a movement with bucketloads of notes, and yet it is some of the hardest music (in an ultra-hard piece) to perform well. This example is part of a cadenza, so the irony increases. The composer was one of the three great composer pianists of the early/mid 19th century, and this is probably his finest work. OK, pulling out the big cliches of music trivia, he died when his bookshelf fell on him, yada, yada, yada Guido's also correctly got this to be Alkan, though not the piece (his most famous, perhaps) yet.

72 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673) - this composer shared exactly the fate of the composer of my 51, though a few months later. He was 25. For a while he wrote under a pseudonym (Karel Vranek). He wrote a string duo in quarter tones. This movement is a set of variations on a folksong, Ta Knezdubska vez; it comes from what is probably his finest work, a piece which has been recorded several times. My no 51, mentioned earlier in this clue, was Pavel Haas, victim of Terezin and Auschwitz. Therefore, you may assume, so was this composer, the youngest of the four most famous composer-victims of the former camp

73 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675) - I've given big clues about this one - that it can't be played by human hands; that its composer isn't the obvious one to spring to mind in this connection (Nancarrow, of course), but is closely connected with him; that it is entirely made up of quotations from a set of very famous pieces. The unusual tuplets here do not imply 'new complexity' techniques. Instead, they are the composer's way of making possible the simultaneous and literal presentation of all these quotations at their varying intended speeds. That's why you get a whole long line of a tune in quintuplets, and a whole long line of a tune in 9's, or in 5:3's.... This composer has one of the net's finest blogs and a wonderful and generous website (from where many scores and lengthy, complete mp3s can be downloaded gratis).  The pieces quoted in this work are a set of 32 rather well known piano sonatas by quite a famous deaf composer whose initials are LvB; the piece quotes all 32, though not in order This has now been identified as one of Kyle Gann's Disklavier Studies - Petty Larceny - by matticus

74 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676) - A famous name, bandied around a lot but not much understood. I certainly don't understand him. He is famous because, quite separately of a much more widely-known figure, he developed a broadly similar compositional technique. The technique he developed, independently of Twelve-Tone Arnie, was a form of dodecaphonic writing And this has been identified as one of Josef Hauer's Zwolftonspiel pieces, also by matticus

75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681) - a record-breaking composer, famous among other things for being the longest-living (he lived in three centuries) and longest-writing of the established composers (Carter has recently passed his record of piece-published-at-advanced-age, but is still years off being as old as this composer was when he died, which was 82 years after the first book on his life and work was published!!). Most of his music is for solo piano - he was in his early days a celebrated performer and a compositional iconoclast who at the time was habitually mentioned in the same breath as Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Ravel, Bartok, Debussy.... This piece, evidently, is not, but it is often thought of as his masterpiece. The six staves you see at the bottom are all for the piano; this is a fairly extreme example of a notational procedure he used quite a lot. What else can I say.....he was apparently the first composer to make extensive use of the cluster (before Cowell); Huneker said about him: 'I never thought I should live to hear Arnold Schoenberg sound tame, yet tame he sounds—almost timid and halting—after ???? who is, most emphatically, the only true-blue, genuine, Futurist composer alive'; Bloch described him as 'the single composer in America who displays positive signs of genius.' Guido's got this one - Ornstein's Piano Quintet

77 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) - We've had one piece from this composer on this thread. He's British, as has been established. He's not Elgar, as has been established. But he died the same year as Elgar, which pretty much narrows him down to one of the other two famous British composer who died that year er, that's Holst and Delius. I think it obvious which one he is. This piece contains a part for wordless chorus , though not on this page, with its intricate rhythms.

78 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785) - A early 20th century Scriabin-y Russian modernist, with the strange notation on the final line (I trust you've spotted it). Not Mosolov, the other one  ;D ;) Like no 74, this composer also had a system something akin to twelve-tone technique, and it too (possibly) predated Schoenberg's; it is closer, however, to Scriabin, because he used it to create vertical aggregates (AKA 'chords')  akin to Scriabin's 'synthetic' mystic chords. He was denounced as an Enemy of the People in 1929, but was allowed to return to Moscow from Tashkent in 1933. According to Wiki:
QuoteAs soon as ???? was dead his flat was ransacked by a group of former 'proletarian musicians' who confiscated many manuscripts, though others were saved by his widow. For thirty years afterwards ?????'s name, expunged from the music dictionaries, was hardly mentioned in Soviet musical literature, except in comments such as '?????'s works are not worth the paper they are written on'. His name reappeared in a Soviet music dictionary in 1978 but scholars who attempted to claim some importance for him were still being attacked in the press as late as 1982.

Don't forget the unusual notation I've pointed out on the last line. If you haven't seen it - it is a rare use of triple flats, almost unique to this composer in my experience
Guido's got this to be a Roslavetz Piano Sonata; I'll give away that it's the First

82 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793) - Also Russian, a 20th century set of 24 Preludes and Fugues. But not Shostakovich. A look at the rhythmical style here may help. Hamelin has recorded this composer, who is very much alive.

85 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798) - There is a complex appearance to this page - nested tuplets and jagged atonal figurations - which one doesn't normally associate with this composer, whose most famous work is one of the great Popular Classics. This is a programmatic piano piece whose subject comes from a Shakespeare play whose name shall not be spoken here. This composer went deaf, except for tinnitus to a very high first inversion chord of a flat (not E, as you may think)

86 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800) - A Maciek-piece. The most obvious clue about its composer is too obvious. Perhaps that fact itself is a clue, who knows? One of the few composer from his country who Maciek hasn't posted here yet   :P , but one of the most famous names. I think it is safe to assume that he is the only composer on this thread to sign the Treaty of Versailles Maciek has identified this as Paderewski's Chants du voyageur

87 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809) - British composer in his fifties who I have seen/met twice (the second time in person, the first time when my youth orchestra performed on of his pieces) - I don't suppose this is really a clue, mind you!. A viola concerto full of and based around nostalgic quotations (Monteverdi to Wagner and points between) Ideas of love, distance, memory, wind and sea lie behind the piece. The piece falls into sections, each based around a particular quoted piece; each section is linked by a recurrent quotation. Towards the bottom of this page you can see both quite clearly. One, the recurrent one, is the Beethoven 'Lebewohl' horn call. This composer also wrote a beautiful fantasy for viola and strings based on material from Monteverdi's Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria

88 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060) -12 tone composition for full orchestra. Not a symphony, though its composer wrote a few. Post-Schoenbergian dodecaphonist, Spanish by birth but adopted as English. Wrote a (tonal) ballet on a Spanish theme familiar to Strauss, Falla etc; wrote the first electronic score for the British Stage (RSC King Lear, 1955)

89 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063) - also composer of no 105, one of the most important 20th century composers. This comes from a two-hander opera. Surely you don't need more.  ;) Seems I was wrong. This piece, one of the three best-known remaining from my lot, was originally rejected as unplayable. The composer was also pressurised to remove the librettist's name, because of his political views; however, the composer did not give in and eventually withdrew the work, which has since become one of the best known of 20th century operas)
Mark's got this - Bartok's Bluebeard, of course

98 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100) - Had him before. Never mind the notes here, look at the style of the score. Larry famously dislikes this composer, and this page is unlikely to change his mind!
Guido's identified this - Messiaen's Des canyons aux etoiles

100 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105) - written by a great musical lexocographer and wit, whose advert for 'Castoria' is one of the great musical delights I know of. One of those composers whose life is filled with quotable incident. Conducted the premieres of Varese's Ionisation and Ives' Three Places.

102 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114) -  British composer of  9 symphonies. This one was inspired by a vision of multicultural harmony following race riots in the 50s (IIRC) This composer, who died recently, lived near me, though I only saw him once from a distance. My wife, who grew up round here, once danced with him after her youth orchestra had performed on of his works. He was a populist composer with a great melodic gift and a famous sense of humour, who in addition to his serious 'classical' repertoire also wrote several very well-known film scores. Wrote a harmonica concerto for Larry Adler, and a clarinet one for Benny Goodman. One of his most famous concertante works has solo parts for vacuum cleaners...

104 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123) - a one-time disciple of Satie, though they fell out over a schoolboy prank. As I said, a major composer, and one of his finest but comparatively little-known works. Was a member probably the most famous - of the same group of composers as no 62

105 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124) - Same composer as 89; an early work for piano and orchestra, which also exists as a virtuoso piece for solo piano (and is great fun in that format)

108 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)  - same composer (British) as 113. One of my favourite pieces. I was once, more than two years ago, all primed to lead a GMG discussion on this work. Had my introductory posts written and everything......This page, which comes towards the end of the piece but before its climax, exhibits most of its characteristic traits - its instrumentation, its tonal dichotomy, its metrical dichotomy, its most prominent, binding motive (here in the process of dissolving), and the end of an important figure in the vocal line. This piece is in some ways the successor  to another work for tenor and ensemble, which similarly sets well-chosen poems by a variety of poets. Both works have similar overall themes - in the earlier one, evening and night; in this later one, sleep and dreams.

109 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133) - same composer as no 85, but much better-known, from the same set as that 'Popular Classic' I talked about. Get him, you will surely get this one, one of the three best-known pieces here

111 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)  - As Mark saw, a set of Variations on Three Blind Mice, though that isn't the title of the work. Originally, this piece formed part of its composer's First Symphony (also including a gigantic, hugely scored dance for the Farmer's Wife!). However, later the composer wrote a proper symphony, and renumbered things so that that one became no 1 (though there persisted some confusion for a while, and the published score of no 1, which I have - and may have used here already - still bears the number 2). He went on to write many more, though none as famous as the first one proper.
Mark has identified this as Havergal Brian's Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme

112 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446) - The piece this is based on, indeed moulded around is by Berlioz - I'm surprised one of our Berliozians didn't get it. It was the piece he thought highest of amongst his works (and it is my favourite too). The composer of this later piece, as I have said or implied, is a New Complexity composer who has already appeared more than once on this thread. And I hope it is clear that it isn't Ferneyhough - the style is completely different. That leaves.......
Larry's got this - Finnissy's Romeo and Juliet are Drowning

113 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448) - By the composer of no 108- his most public statement. The trumpets here are fulfilling a traditional role as suggested by the text.
Mark's got this - Britten War Requiem

115 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450) - Somewhat surprised this one hasn't gone. Composer one of the biggest names of post-war music; piece one of his greatest works (and my own favourite, probably) Larry's got this - Improvisation 2 from Boulez's Pli selon pli

116 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454) - Has no one spotted the Ligeti-like feature of the orchestration here? They are significant in a very specific way to the subject of this piece (a well-known one act opera) and are used here, at the very beginning, to set the scene.

117 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455) - This is the one which made its composer famous; it is the one about which I asked 'who took loud hailer part no 6 in the only recording of the piece?'. I also gave about the biggest clue I could about this piece in a post earlier today This is Tavener's The Whale - I actually identified this as one of my pieces, but it took the Sherlock Holmes-like mind of Maciek to put 2 and 2 together.

120 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951) - As I said before, a transcription of one great composer by another. I'll divulge that the piece transcribed is by JSB; the transcriber had a nifty line in this line of things; he also took some transcriptions to such lengths that they become separate pieces of his own in their own right (e.g. Handel, Monn...)

123 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957) - I gave hints about this earlier, I'll flesh it out and be specific now: this piece is the end of a set not of Preludes and Fugues, but of Interludes and Fugues; the whole is framed by a Prelude and a Postlude (which, of course, this is). Except for its last chord, the Postlude is also the exact retrograde of the Prelude, so these closing lines echo the beginning of the piece notes precisely. The composer was prolific, and used to be seen as one of the biggest names of 20th century music - i.e. comparable in importance to Stravinsky and Schoenberg. His star has waned somewhat, but only slightly.
Guido's got this one - Hindemith's Ludus Tonalis

124 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961) - I said earlier that this is an early piece by a major composer not commonly associated with solo piano, but rather with dazzling orchestration and with opera. Another little-known work of his has already featured on this thread

126 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967) - The only composer I know of who shares my birthday - he will be exactly twice my age when the next one comes round. This is the piece written for and recorded by Rostropovich - it is a literal setting for cello of a Psalm (that is, it is written to fit the text precisely, and to be played as if sung). He has written one piece (two hours long) for 17 double basses; another piece is for 35 Javanese gongs.

127 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967) - A major name in minimalism, famous as an improvising performer as much as as a composer. These little fragments are the sources to be drawn on for keyboard improvisation and for personal practise.

128 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969) - Not Part, as has been guessed, but a much more central figure. This half-deadly-serious, half-joking exercise in strict counterpoint (until this point it is a double canon throughout) is a fairly early work, but breathes the autumnal melancholy with which this composer's late works are habitually associated

130 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980) - A famous example of Futurism. I would think a little searching would reveal this one.

132 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987) - The big clues here are the character taken by the vocal part, and also the instrument seen just below the celesta part.

133 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991) - I'm disappointed. I've just seen that I left this composer's name on the score (albeit hard to read) and still it wasn't got! I'll leave it like that and see who's paying attention!

134 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996) - Notice the various instrumental groupings here, a la Gruppen. It isn't Stockhausen though, or anyone with such formal methods. It is, however, a composer best known for his exploration of this sort of thing.

135 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997) - A British experimental composer already found on this thread. A Marxist who died in suspicious circumstances. He learnt to play the guitar expressly so as to be able to take part in the British premiere of Le marteau sans maitre. Some have claimed that this piece was the first music ever to have the term 'minimalist' applied to it publicly (by Michael Nyman), though it seems that its importance lies elsewhere.

138 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004) - The best known composer from his country, a major figure who wrote six symphonies and three concerti, including this one.

139 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - An Italian Jewish composer, persecuted by Mussolini's regime and leaving for the US in 1939

140 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - I thought the style of this composer was easy to get - he is pretty inimitable both in look and in language. I'll leave it at that hint for now.

141 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - Quite a hard one. Another innovator - in this case with an experimental system of notation you can see here, in which black notes are shown by crossed note heads

142 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - A great Russian composer-pianist, often paired with Rachmaninov.

144 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016) - To elucidate my earlier clue - well-known as a jazz man as well as a classical composer, the author of this piece played on Miles Davis' Porgy and Bess. This is possibly his best known classical work, based on paintings by an artist who himself was a fine musician, and whose wonderful paintings are haunted by music.

145 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020) - Another British experimental composer, a more whimsical one than no 135, this composer has written (at least) 156 piano sonatas (the latest I have seen is called 'The Well Tempered Cyclist). The sonatas are mostly very short; in contrast, his 8th Piano Sonatina lasts 90 minutes and [includes a five movement Symphony in memory of Alkan, one of his main influences. He has also written a song cycle which includes a setting of his friends' addresses.

147 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022) - One of the more important and more thoughtful figures of contemporary British music. Among other things, he is well known for his settings of Christian texts as here, though he himself is possibly closer to Buddhism.

148 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029) - A collaboration between a classical composer (Hungarian) and a jazz musician (saxophonist, British, famous jazz singer wife)

150 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918) - At first glance, this looks like one thing, but closer inspection reveals that it is very much something else. The handwriting, actually, might easily give the composer away. I chose this piece because it doesn't look like what you'd expect of this composer - always good to challenge perceptions!

151 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918) - The Sonatina (French) which is based around the three birdsongs from the second movement of LvB's Pastoral. Fellow student of Debussy's; teacher of Messiaen. Interested in Indian modes - another sonatina in the set from which this is drawn is a study in these modes

152 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920) - If I was actually a proper composer, this composer would be the one preceding me in the dictionary! One of his teachers was the composer of no 123

154 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925) - One of The Greats, this is from an early symphony (my favourite of his early symphonies). The multiple divisions in the string parts are not typical of his later style, but are very much to the fore in this taut but luxurious piece, and are explicitly Wagnerian. The second movement (this is the first) comes close to quoting RW, in fact.

156 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931) - My clue was - has been recorded on a particular label by the same pianist who recorded 152 on the same label. Also the label on which 126 is recorded. This composer specialised in intimate, exquisite miniatures, and the set from which this one is drawn is his masterpiece in the form. I can't imagine anything finer of its type

157 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933) - The first symphony written by an African American. Guido's found it - William Grant Still's Afro-American Symphony

159 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936) - The percussion part is the clue here - it looks like no other composer.

160 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938) - I know that Steve knows this one, so I assume he hasn't seen it. One of the major works for the instrument.

164a and 164b (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529) - I put this up today, so I shouldn't really give any more clues. However - the composer is Canadian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 25, 2007, 03:57:24 PM
And the usual....


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt T?cut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - Birtwistle - Monody for Corpus Christi - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - something for male voice choir, TBC - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - Milhaud - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - Alkan - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - Gann - Petty Larceny - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - Hauer - Zwolftonspiel - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - Ornstein - Piano Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry, just saw this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - Roslavetz - Piano Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - Paderewski - Chants du voyageur - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - Messaien - Des canyons aux etoiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - Havergal Brian - Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - Finnissy - Romeo and Juliet are Drowning - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - Britten - War Requiem - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - Holloway - Romanza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - Boulez - Improvisation 2 from Pli seon pli - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - Tavener - The Whale - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - Hindemith - Ludus Tonalis - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - Ellington - Heaven (from The Sacred Concerts) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)
150 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
151 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
152 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920)
153 - Adams - Harmonium - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922)
154 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925)
155 - Babbitt - Philomel - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95929.html#msg95929)
156 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931)
157 - William Grant Still - Afro-American Symphony - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933)
158 - Clara Schumann - op 23/3 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95935.html#msg95935)
159 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936)
160 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938)
161 - Webern - Kinderstuck - (Greg arr. Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95939.html#msg95939)
162 - Harrison - Peace Piece - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95940.html#msg95940)
163 - Ades - Arcadiana - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95941.html#msg95941)
164a and 164b (same piece_ - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)

Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - Vidmantas Bartulis - I Like F.Schubert. Quintetto C Maj op.163 Adagio - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - Bronius Kutavičius - Last Pagan Rites - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - Onutė Narbutaitė - Autumn Ritornello. Hommage à Fryderyk - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevi?ius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - Loreta Narvilaitė - Butterfly - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - Baird - Voices From Afar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - Penderecki - Song of the Cherubim - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - Crumb - Processional - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM
A few that I didn't have to think much about...
One of 59 or 60 is Scriabin's son - apparently a prodigy, but I am yet to hear any of his works (hint, hint).

62 - Milhaud
69 - Alkan
75 - Ornstein, Piano quintet. I am yet to hear this piece.
78 - Roslavets, I'm going to guess one of the five preludes because they are his best piano works.
98 - Obviously Messiaen, and I'll guess Le Canyons...
123 - I'll guess Hindemith Ludud Tonalis


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:53:18 PM
BMV15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro (Four Fragments for Guitar)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 25, 2007, 11:28:49 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM
A few that I didn't have to think much about...
One of 59 or 60 is Scriabin's son - apparently a prodigy, but I am yet to hear any of his works (hint, hint).
Correct. Which one looks more childish?
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM62 - Milhaud
Correct. Remember I said it was a simple generic title.
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM69 - Alkan
Correct. Which work - perhaps his most famous and notorious - would be most likely to have a cadenza in it.
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM75 - Ornstein, Piano quintet. I am yet to hear this piece.
Correct
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM78 - Roslavets, I'm going to guess one of the five preludes because they are his best piano works.
Correct, but not a prelude. Same title as the Milhaud.
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM98 - Obviously Messiaen, and I'll guess Le Canyons...
Correct
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:44:28 PM123 - I'll guess Hindemith Ludud Tonalis
Ludus Tonalis, correct.

Please don't forget that there are some of mine where I have virtually identified the composer in the clue: no 44 gives his uncommon first name; in nos 55, 57 and 58 the composer is already identified, and also in one of nos 59 or 60; 73 can only be one of three people, and when you know their names, the correct one is obvious from the clue; 77 is also narrowed down to two, and it's obvious which one, I think; I actually gave the answer to no 117 a few posts back, if you look; I've left the name on no 133; no 142 can only really be one composer, I think. Many of my other clues are equally give-away in nature...

Interesting to see that you guessed Smith Brindle for Steve's - so did I, though a different piece...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: matticus on October 26, 2007, 12:37:26 AM
Alright, 73 is one of Kyle Gann's Disklavier studies, is it called Petty Larceny?

74 must be Hauer I suppose but I have no idea which piece -- Zwolftonespiel would be a good guess for the title though...

Is 58 one of the Satires?

Wish I could get involved in this thread properly, but most of my scores are in storage... can't wait to get them back.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 26, 2007, 01:53:03 AM
Quote from: matticus on October 26, 2007, 12:37:26 AM
Alright, 73 is one of Kyle Gann's Disklavier studies, is it called Petty Larceny?

Correct! Fantastic! Yes, it is Petty Larceny, which quotes all 32 Beethoven sonatas, intact, at pitch and at (one reading of) their original speeds. It sounds like a pointless stunt, but I find it quite thought-provoking. It raises questions about emotion in performance, man or machine, about the development of Beethoven's style (Gann juxtaposes early and late) and is, viewed from a certain angle, quite poignant, though I think others of Gann's Disklavier studies are even more effective (check out his site for scores to all 10 of them, and mp3s to at least one; the others are available on a great disc, in which the Disklavier is tuned to an 18th century temperament  ;D ). I've attached a sample of quite a long stretch of Petty Larceny, from the beginning and including my page (starting about 48 seconds in)

Quote from: matticus on October 26, 2007, 12:37:26 AM74 must be Hauer I suppose but I have no idea which piece -- Zwolftonespiel would be a good guess for the title though...
It would indeed, as he wrote a whole sequence of such pieces for various ensembles of which this is one

Quote from: matticus on October 26, 2007, 12:37:26 AMIs 58 one of the Satires?
No, they are for mixed voices. There's no trick here, his male choir pieces are called just that. [slight edit - there is an early, obscure piece for male chorus too; this isn't that piece, but comes from his more famous later set]

Good work, you've got two of the harder ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 26, 2007, 05:52:28 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 25, 2007, 02:16:25 PM
link to mediafire folder (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d07e3eb988e0da265c09f191a64e2498afd41c5566d853c8) (containing Penderecki's 8th Symphony - or what of it has been publicly released so far)
thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 26, 2007, 06:03:24 AM
LO 86 - I assume it is by the genius who also played the piano (was it Saint-Saens who called him that?). I'm waiting for the image to load before taking a guess at the piece...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 26, 2007, 06:06:31 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 26, 2007, 06:03:24 AM
LO 86 - I assume it is by the genius who also played the piano (was Saint-Saens who said that?). I'm waiting for the image to load before taking a guess at the piece...

I believe he played the piano a bit, yes.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 26, 2007, 06:06:56 AM
Chants du Voyageur? With IMSLP down this game has become a bit more difficult...

(The composer is Paderewski, if anyone wondered...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 26, 2007, 06:10:13 AM
It wasn't on IMSLP, unfortunately. But you are correct! I mentioned that piece on your Paderewski thread a while back - did you remember or are you just freakishly quick at this!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on October 26, 2007, 06:11:29 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2007, 04:53:18 PM
BMV15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro (Four Fragments for Guitar)

Correct - per my earlier hints that was the one with the title from the author of my sig line (Lorca)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 26, 2007, 06:13:06 AM
MM18 sounds interesting, except the singer sounds like a chipmunk. I wish the mp3 files wouldn't do that when you link them  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 26, 2007, 11:59:47 AM
Didn't you know, Greg? These guys are big stars on the Polish Contemporary Music Scene:

(http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/4577/chipmunk.GIF)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 26, 2007, 12:29:14 PM
hm, no, i actually didn't know that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 26, 2007, 02:21:05 PM
I don't know what you're complaining about - you can actually get the listening over with much quicker this way. But if you really insist on listening at normal, slooow speed, simply click on the "Download" button (the one on the right, with the sort of "calculator" icon)... ::)

BTW, I'm surprised no one has even guessed the composer of MM 24. It's somebody extremely famous (and so is the piece I'm alluding to in my clue)!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 27, 2007, 06:34:10 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 26, 2007, 02:21:05 PM
I don't know what you're complaining about - you can actually get the listening over with much quicker this way. But if you really insist on listening at normal, slooow speed, simply click on the "Download" button (the one on the right, with the sort of "calculator" icon)... ::)
oh, duh! didn't think of that

Quote from: Maciek on October 26, 2007, 02:21:05 PM
BTW, I'm surprised no one has even guessed the composer of MM 24. It's somebody extremely famous (and so is the piece I'm alluding to in my clue)!
my first guess is Sorabji, but you said extremely famous so probably not.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 27, 2007, 10:28:51 AM
No, not Sorabji. I'll add another clue: this is the one American composer mentioned in my earlier clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 27, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
ok, i'm 100% sure I know who the composer of MM24 is. But there's too many possibilities of what it could be, and i've never heard any of his solo piano music before. So probably someone else will be able to get it instead.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 27, 2007, 03:04:56 PM
The Roslavets and Milhaud - generic title just piano sonata?

William Grant Still's Afro-American Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 28, 2007, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 27, 2007, 03:04:56 PM
The Roslavets and Milhaud - generic title just piano sonata?

Yes. With the Roslavets, technically, I ought to make you specify which, but that would be silly. It's no 1, btw.

Quote from: Guido on October 27, 2007, 03:04:56 PMWilliam Grant Still's Afro-American Symphony

Bingo
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 02, 2007, 12:39:32 AM
Slow week...

Do you need any more clues? 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 02, 2007, 12:40:31 AM
I mean, do you really need more clues? :o :P 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 02, 2007, 03:36:23 AM
I guess me saying

1) General clue: one of my pieces is The Whale by John Tavener

and

2) Piece-specific clue: this is the one I identified earlier

isn't enough of a clue.  ???

Or maybe (more likely, I hope) no one is trying any more.  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 04, 2007, 03:31:02 PM
I think the chipmunks scared everyone away... :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 04, 2007, 03:52:09 PM
Yes, that is the only logical explanation
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 04, 2007, 04:02:42 PM
Here are some more clues for mine:

We've already established they come from 3 different countries. MM24 is by a very famous American composer - Greg has probably guessed him already. This composer has written an extremely famous and very "dark" piece for string quartet, and it is in that piece that he employs the numbers 7 and 13.

MM11, 12, 13, 15 all come from a country that, a very long time ago, used to be one of the largest in Europe. However, it certainly was not a military nor a political empire, therefore in the 14th century it was forced into a federation with a much smaller country, forming a very powerful union which was to finally fall apart only in 1795. This federation did undergo quite a few changes on the way, the most radical one in 1569 (arguably, this was the moment when the smaller country really enforced itself on the bigger one). Happens to be the last European country to have been christened.

MM18 is from the smaller country.

MM11 is based on the Adagio from Schubert's Quintet in C Major op. 163 (or at least that is what the liner notes claim).

MM12. From the CD liner notes with a few cuts: "...was scored for choir, organ and horns. Its main idea and form is based on the ritualistic. The opening horn fanfare is followed by four sections which give a pagan view of the world. (...) If we remember the crucial change of world view that Christianity brought to (...) (the scared oak woods survived indeed till much later), then this oratorio qualifies as programme music. (...) Symbolism and ritual are amplified, strengthened by something which seems to arise so naturally from the music - the choir's moving round the audience. The performers are a mobile source of sound which seems to frame the listeners within a sacred space and almost makes them participants themselves" (this, if you ask me, is all a load of trash but it does contain a few clues)

MM13. Liner notes, again, this time by the composer: "This work continues the calendar of my musical touches (...). These touches are not as light as might appear. The interesting and tempting play is always followed by a painful reflection and inevitably lead to Heracleitus' 'river' bank. As one watches the changing flow, imitation seems fruitless, juxtaposition senseless, while the distant autumn (...) does not seem to request for any markedly ironic dissociation. I try to model my own musical plasticity which is nevertheless based on [X]'s details in melody, rhythm, harmony, texture and determined by his spiritual suggestions."

MM18. The text is by Iwaszkiewicz.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 07:47:55 AM
I feel like I ought to go on strike, but - I presume no 24 is George Crumb, even though it looks little like a Crumb score. The most obvious guess would be Makrokosmos, though I don't think that's right. I can say for sure it isn't one of the Five Pieces (because that was one of my ones!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 09:40:23 AM
Right composer, wrong work. And I was actually going to post something from Five Pieces but I liked this page better for some reason (don't ask what exactly, I just don't know)!

I'll add more clues:

The big country is now one of the smallest countries in Europe - and it has a miniscule population density. The smaller country is nowadays actually the bigger of the two.

MM11 - male composer. I had actually mentioned him before on the old GMG - and I wasn't the only one to do so (though I believe I was the one who brought his name up :P). His Requiem was also mentioned over there. He's never appeared on our new forum though. (Not yet, because for the time being I'm putting off starting his thread until this thing gets guessed... ;D)

MM12 - male. Code word: P A G A N.

MM13 - female! Finlandia has released quite a few discs of her music, including some symphonies... (But this is not a symphony... ;D)

MM15 - female. The author of the text is called Grajauskas.

MM18 - male. Dead. Text by Iwaszkiewicz. Last piece completed by this composer. Put the facts together. ;) Need more? This piece has been released on an Olympia CD. Another song with orchestra by this composer has appeared here recently (after I posted MM18).

MM14 - there's a clue in there somewhere concerning MM11-MM15... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 10:44:39 AM
Your weird score - is it no 12? - is Last Pagan Rites by Bronius Kutavičius (third movement, of course). FWIW I was there before I saw your PAGAN clue. Funnily enough I had been exploring these composers earlier when studying these scores of yours, but hadn't come up with the goods.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
I'm getting very confused with numbers and clues now, Maciek, but I've actually found one of your score online - not sure now which of yours it is (no 11?), but the piece, by Vidmantas Bartulis, appears to be called 'I Like F.Schubert. Quintetto C Maj op.163 Adagio' or something of the sort. And he wrote a Requiem, which fits your clue...

I thought your Schubert one was the piano quartet one.....must be reading the clues wrong!  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 05, 2007, 11:16:11 AM
ok, i'll guess the Crumb work one post at a time. Whoever ends up with the right guess wins (and there's only one guess allowed each time, but only a following guess can be made after Maciek says "no" first.

my first guess is the Piano Sonata
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 11:18:25 AM
Both guesses correct. It's very likely that I mixed up the clues somewhere along the way. :-[ Anyway, just to set it straight: the Bartulis does not feature a piano, and the Kutavicius is the "odd" one.

I have to add I really think Last Pagan Rites is one of the least interesting pieces by Kutavicius. I think From the Jatvingian Stone and The Tree of Earth surpass it by far. Not mention The Gates of Jerusalem - a cycle that I think is this composer's real masterpiece (even if the last "gate" is a bit weaker than the first three).

Off I go to start a Kutavicius and a Bartulis thread... 8)

Quote from: GREG GREG GREG GREG GREG GREG GREG GREG GREG GREG on November 05, 2007, 11:16:11 AM
ok, i'll guess the Crumb work one post at a time. Whoever ends up with the right guess wins (and there's only one guess allowed each time, but only a following guess can be made after Maciek says "no" first.

my first guess is the Piano Sonata

No. ;D Do continue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 05, 2007, 11:21:00 AM
Prelude and Toccata?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 11:36:24 AM
No.

Here's another clue: the piece is sort of dedicated to a "G. Kalish".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 05, 2007, 11:39:50 AM
A Little Suite for Christmas, A.D. 1979?
i don't know, that clue didn't really help, i know nothing about Crumb's piano music
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 11:41:28 AM
No.

Clue no. 2: the piece is from 1983.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 05, 2007, 11:53:42 AM
Processional!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 11:57:40 AM
Bravo!

Only 3 left to go... Let me taunt you a bit, Luke-style: ;D

I really didn't think no. 18 would be this much trouble. The composer is Polish (in case anyone hasn't guessed that yet) and a really major figure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on November 05, 2007, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 11:57:40 AM
Let me taunt you a bit, Luke-style:

Nooooo!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 12:10:45 PM
Quote from: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 11:57:40 AM
Bravo!

Only 3 left to go... Let me taunt you a bit, Luke-style: ;D

I really didn't think no. 18 would be this much trouble. The composer is Polish (in case anyone hasn't guessed that yet) and a really major figure.

No taunting involved - I am just honestly amazed that no one has identified at least three of mine within seconds, as they come from three massively famous works (nos 89, 111 and 113). All of my remaining composers are extremely well-known names - even better known than Maciek's Lithuanians, if that is possible  ;D

The fact that they haven't been guessed yet has led me to think that people have lost interest in the thread, that's all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 12:13:34 PM
But we both know that it isn't. $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 12:20:48 PM
BTW, your no 18 is Baird's Voices From Afar, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 12:22:25 PM
Quote from: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 12:13:34 PM
But we both know that it isn't. $:)

Isn't possible to be better-known than Vidmantas Bartulis, you mean? We'll see......! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 12:20:48 PM
BTW, your no 18 is Baird's Voices From Afar, isn't it?

Yes, it is! My favorite Baird piece! The text is fantastically merged with the music.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 12:22:25 PM
Isn't possible to be better-known than Vidmantas Bartulis, you mean? We'll see......! ;D

No, we won't. $:) It's impossible, full stop! $:) $:) $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 01:18:40 PM
MM 15 - Loreta Narvilaitė: Butterfly. How stupid of me not to get it before......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 05, 2007, 01:20:55 PM
He he. Well, perhaps she does outdo Bartulis a bit... 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 01:28:47 PM
They get even better known - MM13: Onutė Narbutaitė - Autumn Ritornello. Hommage à Fryderyk
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 01:29:36 PM
That's all of yours now, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on November 05, 2007, 01:31:24 PM
Luke's no. 111 is Variations on Three Blind Mice by Havergal Brian
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 01:33:11 PM
Close enough - Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme, but HB is correct. A pre-Gothic piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on November 05, 2007, 01:40:42 PM
There were a couple of Brian sites I visited that referred to "Three Blind Mice Variations", so I figured that was good enough.

Is 89 perhaps from Bluebeard's Castle?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on November 05, 2007, 01:40:42 PM
There were a couple of Brian sites I visited that referred to "Three Blind Mice Variations", so I figured that was good enough.

Is 89 perhaps from Bluebeard's Castle?

Thank goodness!! At last - you see what I meant when I said it was a major work? And this is one of its finest moments - the unutterably haunting music for the lake of tears.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on November 05, 2007, 01:58:55 PM
Duh, and 113 has to be Britten's War Requiem. The Dies Irae, right?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 02:09:52 PM
As you so rightly say, Duh. Another one I expected to go quickly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 05, 2007, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 02:09:52 PM
As you so rightly say, Duh. Another one I expected to go quickly!

Finally, one I could have gotten, and someone else slips in!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 06, 2007, 12:14:06 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 05, 2007, 01:28:47 PM
They get even better known - MM13: Onutė Narbutaitė

No way, man! Narbutaitė is definitely the most famous Lithuanian composer not counting Kutavicius. She has a cult following even in Poland (I dare say she is more popular here than Kutavicius himself!). People who've never heard of Ciurlionis are mad about Narbutaite! And I wouldn't call a composer who's been recorded by the Arditti Quartet obscure. That makes you at least a bit known by definition. $:) Or doesn't it? 0:)

(And yes, your answer is correct. ;))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 06, 2007, 12:38:28 AM
Well, I said she was better known, didn't I?

But you are right, and I was wrong. Of course your well-known composers (e.g. Bartulis) are as famous as the ones of mine (e.g. Bartok) about which I have been so 'taunting'   0:)  0:)

Larry, I assume your 'finally, one I could have gotten' is meant ironically! - the Britten (and the Bartok) have been up for about three weeks, their pride rather dented when no one recognised them straight away!  ;D

But there's still at least one which I think is equally well-known, and actually, in the present company, I would suggest that the following are all ones which are probably known by most here:

77, 108, 109, 115, 116, 138, 154,

and the following, though less known as pieces, are by very well-known names (I use the Bartok rather than the Bartulis definition of well-known  ;D )

55, 57, 58, 85, 102, 104, 105, 120, 124, 128, 132, 140, 142, 150, 159, 160

and of course, I could be wrong in this classification - it's quite likely, for instance that 132 and 142 belong in the 'pieces most of us have heard' group

(hyperlinks and clues are on page 61)

And then there is number 117. I have given the answer to this one (not clues, the answer itself, given without subterfuge) more than once already. The fact that it hasn't been identified beats me completely.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 06, 2007, 01:06:32 AM
Could it possibly be The Whale then? (I'm not even looking at the score.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 06, 2007, 01:31:00 AM
LOL!

Thank goodness for that!

The (imaginary) bonus point was - who took 'loudhailer 6' part on this page for the work's only recording?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 06, 2007, 04:11:55 AM
Sorry, Luke - the thread has gotten so involved, with so many examples and explanations, that I'm getting lost following what's been answered, what's had a clue I can use, and what I'm totally clueless about. Besides, I was away from home most of last week and took a vacation from the computer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 06, 2007, 04:25:54 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on November 06, 2007, 04:11:55 AM
Sorry, Luke - the thread has gotten so involved, with so many examples and explanations, that I'm getting lost following what's been answered, what's had a clue I can use, and what I'm totally clueless about. Besides, I was away from home most of last week and took a vacation from the computer.

That's OK, Larry - we've had more than 300 scores now, it's bound to get complicated! I've tried to keep the hyperlinked list up to date - the latest one, which I updated last night, is on page 61, below the post of clues to mine. Click on the numbers to be taken to the score in question

Let me repeat - you know lots of these, I'm sure, but I particularly associate no 115 with you, in that I know you know this piece very well indeed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 06, 2007, 05:27:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 06, 2007, 04:25:54 AM
That's OK, Larry - we've had more than 300 scores now, it's bound to get complicated! I've tried to keep the hyperlinked list up to date - the latest one, which I updated last night, is on page 61, below the post of clues to mine. Click on the numbers to be taken to the score in question

Let me repeat - you know lots of these, I'm sure, but I particularly associate no 115 with you, in that I know you know this piece very well indeed.

115 looks like one of the Mallarmé improvisations from Boulez's Pli selon pli - though which one I can't say for certain.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 06, 2007, 05:29:08 AM
Good enough - it's no 2  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 06, 2007, 06:13:16 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 06, 2007, 05:29:08 AM
Good enough - it's no 2  :)

Actually I was fairly sure it wasn't 1.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 06, 2007, 01:38:52 PM
i might post some new ones up, though i might wait until the weekend. First I'd have to figure out how to extract single pages from pdf files and then save them as jpgs.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 06, 2007, 03:02:37 PM
Just use screen capture
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 06, 2007, 03:08:05 PM
DUH!  :P

i thought of that before but somehow forgot it, that's not good. Thanks for the reminder, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on November 07, 2007, 12:00:31 AM
Is 112 Finnissey?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 12:42:09 AM
Yes it is - nice work! Remember, this is based around a famous bit of Berlioz - as my previous clue said, Berlioz's favourite amongst his works, and also mine. 'Based around' is too loose, though - the original is always there, close to the surface, but often smothered in other layers. In fact this smothering is reflected in the title. Once you know which Berlioz piece it is - should be quite evident - a search of Finnissy's works could lead you to the title of this piece, one of my favourite works of his to play.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 02:30:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 12:42:09 AM
Yes it is - nice work! Remember, this is based around a famous bit of Berlioz - as my previous clue said, Berlioz's favourite amongst his works, and also mine. 'Based around' is too loose, though - the original is always there, close to the surface, but often smothered in other layers. In fact this smothering is reflected in the title. Once you know which Berlioz piece it is - should be quite evident - a search of Finnissy's works could lead you to the title of this piece, one of my favourite works of his to play.

Romeo and Juliet are Drowning, based on the Scène d'Amour.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 05:26:38 AM
Exactly.   :)

That's only the clue I gave on page 61, btw, and it was obviously sufficient, so I recommend looking back over them for the remainder - there are plenty which I've been pretty generous with!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 08:33:30 AM
I sense that we may be starting to move on these last ones now, but maybe having the clues a way away is cumbersome, so here they are again. I haven't added any extra clues, however; bits in bold were new last time this list was posted, not this time. However, stuff in italics is new, as the composers are identified. When a piece is found, I will delete it from this post, which will hopefully end up entirely empty!...

44 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)    - we've established that this is a piece of French organ music, by a specialist organ composer. I'll add that he is one of those much-lamented 'died-too-soon' composers, killed in action in WWII. As a give-away clue I'll also add that his youngest sister went on to become a famous organist in her own right. This composer's output is small, and this is one of his larger works. As you can see, the melodic writing shows the influence of Eastern musics, though this is not one of his pieces (there are some) with an 'Eastern' title. I don't think I can give more clues than this. Seems I have to! - first name is Jehan.

59 and  60  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539) - These two pieces are by different composers, but both bear an extremely strong relationship to the style of a composer of the preceding generation {I've said elsewhere - this is Scriabin]. Usually we would be right to see this as plagiarism, but in these cases there is particularly good reason for the likeness. Neither composer ever developed far beyond this phase of Scriabinesque music, because, for different reasons, both stopped composing before their styles became fully personal. Each had very strong, childhood, formative links to Scriabin, hence the understandable resemblance. I'll now also add that one of these composer never got the chance to develop beyond childhood; the other became world famous, but not as a composer. Guido has identified one of these as Scriabin's son Julian, a child prodigy who died very young...but which? And who's the other one....?
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72 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673) - this composer shared exactly the fate of the composer of my 51, though a few months later. He was 25. For a while he wrote under a pseudonym (Karel Vranek). He wrote a string duo in quarter tones. This movement is a set of variations on a folksong, Ta Knezdubska vez; it comes from what is probably his finest work, a piece which has been recorded several times. My no 51, mentioned earlier in this clue, was Pavel Haas, victim of Terezin and Auschwitz. Therefore, you may assume, so was this composer, the youngest of the four most famous composer-victims of the former camp

77 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) - We've had one piece from this composer on this thread. He's British, as has been established. He's not Elgar, as has been established. But he died the same year as Elgar, which pretty much narrows him down to one of the other two famous British composer who died that year er, that's Holst and Delius. I think it obvious which one he is. This piece contains a part for wordless chorus , though not on this page, with its intricate rhythms.

87 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809) - British composer in his fifties who I have seen/met twice (the second time in person, the first time when my youth orchestra performed on of his pieces) - I don't suppose this is really a clue, mind you!. A viola concerto full of and based around nostalgic quotations (Monteverdi to Wagner and points between) Ideas of love, distance, memory, wind and sea lie behind the piece. The piece falls into sections, each based around a particular quoted piece; each section is linked by a recurrent quotation. Towards the bottom of this page you can see both quite clearly. One, the recurrent one, is the Beethoven 'Lebewohl' horn call. This composer also wrote a beautiful fantasy for viola and strings based on material from Monteverdi's Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria

88 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060) -12 tone composition for full orchestra. Not a symphony, though its composer wrote a few. Post-Schoenbergian dodecaphonist, Spanish by birth but adopted as English. Wrote a (tonal) ballet on a Spanish theme familiar to Strauss, Falla etc; wrote the first electronic score for the British Stage (RSC King Lear, 1955) Larry's got the composer - Roberto Gerhard

100 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105) - written by a great musical lexocographer and wit, whose advert for 'Castoria' is one of the great musical delights I know of. One of those composers whose life is filled with quotable incident. Conducted the premieres of Varese's Ionisation and Ives' Three Places. Again, Larry has found the composer, Nicolas Slonimsky

102 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114) -  British composer of  9 symphonies. This one was inspired by a vision of multicultural harmony following race riots in the 50s (IIRC) This composer, who died recently, lived near me, though I only saw him once from a distance. My wife, who grew up round here, once danced with him after her youth orchestra had performed on of his works. He was a populist composer with a great melodic gift and a famous sense of humour, who in addition to his serious 'classical' repertoire also wrote several very well-known film scores. Wrote a harmonica concerto for Larry Adler, and a clarinet one for Benny Goodman. One of his most famous concertante works has solo parts for vacuum cleaners... Larry again - the composer is Malcolm Arnold

104 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123) - a one-time disciple of Satie, though they fell out over a schoolboy prank. As I said, a major composer, and one of his finest but comparatively little-known works. Was a member probably the most famous - of the same group of composers as no 62

116 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454) - Has no one spotted the Ligeti-like feature of the orchestration here? They are significant in a very specific way to the subject of this piece (a well-known one act opera) and are used here, at the very beginning, to set the scene.

124 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961) - I said earlier that this is an early piece by a major composer not commonly associated with solo piano, but rather with dazzling orchestration and with opera. Another little-known work of his has already featured on this thread

127 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967) - A major name in minimalism, famous as an improvising performer as much as as a composer. These little fragments are the sources to be drawn on for keyboard improvisation and for personal practise.

128 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969) - Not Part, as has been guessed, but a much more central figure. This half-deadly-serious, half-joking exercise in strict counterpoint (until this point it is a double canon throughout) is a fairly early work, but breathes the autumnal melancholy with which this composer's late works are habitually associated

130 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980) - A famous example of Futurism. I would think a little searching would reveal this one.

133 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991) - I'm disappointed. I've just seen that I left this composer's name on the score (albeit hard to read) and still it wasn't got! I'll leave it like that and see who's paying attention!

134 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996) - Notice the various instrumental groupings here, a la Gruppen. It isn't Stockhausen though, or anyone with such formal methods. It is, however, a composer best known for his exploration of this sort of thing.

135 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997) - A British experimental composer already found on this thread. A Marxist who died in suspicious circumstances. He learnt to play the guitar expressly so as to be able to take part in the British premiere of Le marteau sans maitre. Some have claimed that this piece was the first music ever to have the term 'minimalist' applied to it publicly (by Michael Nyman), though it seems that its importance lies elsewhere.

139 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - An Italian Jewish composer, persecuted by Mussolini's regime and leaving for the US in 1939

140 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - I thought the style of this composer was easy to get - he is pretty inimitable both in look and in language. I'll leave it at that hint for now.

141 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - Quite a hard one. Another innovator - in this case with an experimental system of notation you can see here, in which black notes are shown by crossed note heads

142 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013) - A great Russian composer-pianist, often paired with Rachmaninov. Larry has the composer - Medtner

144 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016) - To elucidate my earlier clue - well-known as a jazz man as well as a classical composer, the author of this piece played on Miles Davis' Porgy and Bess. This is possibly his best known classical work, based on paintings by an artist who himself was a fine musician, and whose wonderful paintings are haunted by music.

145 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020) - Another British experimental composer, a more whimsical one than no 135, this composer has written (at least) 156 piano sonatas (the latest I have seen is called 'The Well Tempered Cyclist). The sonatas are mostly very short; in contrast, his 8th Piano Sonatina lasts 90 minutes and [includes a five movement Symphony in memory of Alkan, one of his main influences. He has also written a song cycle which includes a setting of his friends' addresses.

147 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022) - One of the more important and more thoughtful figures of contemporary British music. Among other things, he is well known for his settings of Christian texts as here, though he himself is possibly closer to Buddhism.

148 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029) - A collaboration between a classical composer (Hungarian) and a jazz musician (saxophonist, British, famous jazz singer wife)

150 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918) - At first glance, this looks like one thing, but closer inspection reveals that it is very much something else. The handwriting, actually, might easily give the composer away. I chose this piece because it doesn't look like what you'd expect of this composer - always good to challenge perceptions!

152 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920) - If I was actually a proper composer, this composer would be the one preceding me in the dictionary! One of his teachers was the composer of no 123

156 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931) - My clue was - has been recorded on a particular label by the same pianist who recorded 152 on the same label. Also the label on which 126 is recorded. This composer specialised in intimate, exquisite miniatures, and the set from which this one is drawn is his masterpiece in the form. I can't imagine anything finer of its type

159 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936) - The percussion part is the clue here - it looks like no other composer.

164a and 164b (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529) - I put this up today, so I shouldn't really give any more clues. However - the composer is Canadian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 08:35:24 AM
And the usual, up to date


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt T?cut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - Jehan Alain - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - Birtwistle - Monody for Corpus Christi - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - Suk - A Summer's Tale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - Liadov - 8 Russian Folksongs - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - op 35/5 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - Milhaud - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano first movement (op 39/8) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - Gann - Petty Larceny - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - Hauer - Zwolftonspiel - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - Ornstein - Piano Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - Delius - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry about this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - Roslavetz - Piano Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - Smetana - Macbeth and the Witches - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - Paderewski - Chants du voyageur - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - Gerhard - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - Messaien - Des canyons aux etoiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - Slonimsky - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - Arnold - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - Bartok - Rhapsody - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - Britten - Nocturne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - Smetana - From Bohemia's Woods and Fields (Ma Vlast) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - Havergal Brian - Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - Finnissy - Romeo and Juliet are Drowning - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - Britten - War Requiem - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - Holloway - Romanza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - Boulez - Improvisation 2 from Pli seon pli - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - Tavener - The Whale - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - Schoenberg - Bach arrangement: Komm Gott Schoepfer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - Hindemith - Ludus Tonalis - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - Medtner - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - Ellington - Heaven (from The Sacred Concerts) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)
150 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
151 - Maurice Emmanuel - Sonatina Pastorale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
152 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920)
153 - Adams - Harmonium - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922)
154 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925)
155 - Babbitt - Philomel - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95929.html#msg95929)
156 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931)
157 - William Grant Still - Afro-American Symphony - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933)
158 - Clara Schumann - op 23/3 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95935.html#msg95935)
159 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936)
160 - Henze - Royal Winter Music - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938)
161 - Webern - Kinderstuck - (Greg arr. Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95939.html#msg95939)
162 - Harrison - Peace Piece - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95940.html#msg95940)
163 - Ades - Arcadiana - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95941.html#msg95941)
164a and 164b (same piece_ - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)
21 - Reich - Electric Counterpoint - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
22 - Crumb - Star Child - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
23 - Faure - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
24 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 13 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
25 - Me (Luke) - Paz Songs - (Luke) (don't be daft, Greg!) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
26 - Berg - Violin Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
27 - Berg - Wozzeck - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
28 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
29 - Delius - Songs of Sunset - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
30 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - Vidmantas Bartulis - I Like F.Schubert. Quintetto C Maj op.163 Adagio - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - Bronius Kutavičius - Last Pagan Rites - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - Onutė Narbutaitė - Autumn Ritornello. Hommage à Fryderyk - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevi?ius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - Loreta Narvilaitė - Butterfly - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - Baird - Voices From Afar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - Penderecki - Song of the Cherubim - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - Crumb - Processional - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - Takemitsu - Folios - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - Tippett - The Blue Guitar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 08:55:40 AM
Some quick guesses: 88 Gerhard, 100 Slominsky or Slonimsky, 102 Malcolm Arnold, 108 Britten's Illuminations, 133 name unintelligible, 142 Medtner. As for the Schoenberg male choir thing, it must be from op. 35, but lacking a score or recording I haven't been able to pin it down further. More later.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 08:55:40 AM
Some quick guesses: 88 Gerhard, 100 Slominsky or Slonimsky, 102 Malcolm Arnold, 108 Britten's Illuminations, 133 name unintelligible, 142 Medtner. As for the Schoenberg male choir thing, it must be from op. 35, but lacking a score or recording I haven't been able to pin it down further. More later.

Gerhard = correct

Slonimsky = correct (and I'll post a bit of Castoria as a special treat when the exact answer is found)

Arnold = correct

Britten = correct, but not Les Illuminations, which is accomp by strings only

Medtner = correct

The Schoenberg is from op 35, and that will do, I suppose

Good stuff!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 10:59:28 AM
Britten = correct, but not Les Illuminations, which is accomp by strings only

Oops. Try the op 60 Nocturne.

Which Schoenberg is it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 12:18:07 PM
Yes, the Nocturne is right. A wonderful piece, really, one I could go on about interminably. And I did, in my preparation for the GMG discussion group on the work which never took place....

The Schoenberg is no 5, Landsknechte, for which the male voices are divided into 8 - the piece has a three octave+ range, from lowest B flat to highest C. A very large proportion of the music, continuous throughout the piece, is made up of the sort of (deliberately) mindless onomatopoeia seen in my sample; also trill-like tremolandi and various Tarzan-like ululations. An incredible piece - but then the whole set is one of Schoenberg's finest works, however little known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on November 07, 2007, 12:19:24 PM
Nicely done, especially for quick guesses, Larry!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 12:18:07 PM
Yes, the Nocturne is right. A wonderful piece, really, one I could go on about interminably. And I did, in my preparation for the GMG discussion group on the work which never took place....

The Schoenberg is no 5, Landsknechte, for which the male voices are divided into 8 - the piece has a three octave range, from lowest to highest C. A very large proportion of the music, continuous throughout the piece, is made up of the sort of (deliberately) mindless onomatopoeia seen in my sample; also trill-like tremolandi and various Tarzan-like ululations. An incredible piece - but then the whole set is one of Schoenberg's finest works, however little known.

I will have to get to know them, then, especially if there are Tarzan-like ululations. (I have a special section in my CD collection for ululations of various kinds.)

Why not start a thread on the Britten, if you've done all that preliminary work?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on November 07, 2007, 12:51:31 PM
QuoteWhere are your ululative recordings?

-Please leave the library, sir, we don't want any trouble.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 12:50:03 PMWhy not start a thread on the Britten, if you've done all that preliminary work?

I'm not sure if I even have it now....anyway, I think the moment is gone!


Quote from: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 12:50:03 PM
I will have to get to know them, then, especially if there are Tarzan-like ululations. (I have a special section in my CD collection for ululations of various kinds.)

Three little samples, then, from:
- no 1 (Hemmung - full of all sorts of interesting rhythmical and serial techniques)
- no 5 (Landsknechte - my score sample one, though this sample is only the first half of the piece)
- no 6 (Verbundenheit - a beautiful one, second half inversion of first, more or less).
The texts of all are Schoenberg's own, close in type to the sort of philosophizing on The Law, speech etc. as Moses und Aron

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 02:16:45 PM
(sample no 3)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 02:23:33 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 10:59:28 AM
Slonimsky = correct (and I'll post a bit of Castoria as a special treat when the exact answer is found)

On second thoughts, in celebration of this thread getting moving again, here we are: the aging Nicolas Slonimsky's promotion of Castoria. Unbeatable.

(http://www.centaur.com/castoriaAd1927.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 12:50:03 PM
Why not start a thread on the Britten, if you've done all that preliminary work?

Well, Larry, I managed to root it out, and I've now cut out some of the stuff more germane to the discussion group than to the piece itself. I think the whole thing would have had a lot of editing before I committed it to the board, but as that never happened, here are most of my thoughts, warts and all. I won't start a thread on it, but I attach a PDF of my notes to run alongside my score sample (108) for anyone interested.

Please carry on....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 07, 2007, 06:01:10 PM
Thanks for all the followups, Luke. I'll get to them in due course. Meanwhile, more guesses:

120 Schoenberg's arrangement of JSB 631, Komm Gott Schoepfer
77 If so maligned, must be Delius. Not Sea Drift, I think, maybe the Mass of Life
105 Bartok Rhapsody
151 Maurice Emmanuel Sonatina Pastorale
85 Smetana Macbeth and the Witches
109 " Ma Vlast, from Bohemia's Meadows and Forests
44 Jehan Alain, can't spot the piece
55 Suk A Summer's Tale?
58 Liadov 8 Russian Folksongs
67 Alkan 12 Etudes in Minor keys, op. 39 - from #8, part 1, the Concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 07, 2007, 11:29:57 PM
Answers to Larry's new guesses:

120 Schoenberg's arrangement of JSB 631, Komm Gott Schoepfer
Yes
77 If so maligned, must be Delius. Not Sea Drift, I think, maybe the Mass of Life
Right composer, wrong work
105 Bartok Rhapsody
Yes - an early work, quite interesting
151 Maurice Emmanuel Sonatina Pastorale
Yes - nice one, this was hard, I think, though I suppose my clues made it easier!
85 Smetana Macbeth and the Witches
Yes
109 " Ma Vlast, from Bohemia's Meadows and Forests
Yes - told you it was a well-known one!
44 Jehan Alain, can't spot the piece
Right composer
55 Suk A Summer's Tale?
Yes - the haunting middle movement (of 5)
58 Liadov 8 Russian Folksongs
Yes

67 Alkan 12 Etudes in Minor keys, op. 39 - from #8, part 1, the Concerto
Yes - an astonishing piece in every way, its difficulty being the least among them
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on November 07, 2007, 11:39:00 PM
Aw! No credit for me for getting the composer of 112 :( :) ;)

[edit]Larry and Luke, don't you mean #69 for the Alkan composition? I'm looking at the list and #67 is Satie.[/edit]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 08, 2007, 01:56:03 AM
Quote from: JCampbell on November 07, 2007, 11:39:00 PM
Aw! No credit for me for getting the composer of 112 :( :) ;)

[edit]Larry and Luke, don't you mean #69 for the Alkan composition? I'm looking at the list and #67 is Satie.[/edit]

Yes, 69 is the one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 08, 2007, 05:15:14 AM
We need an updated list.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 08, 2007, 05:57:14 AM
I already did it - previous page (I've been modifying and updating whichever is the most recently posted list throughout this thread)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 08, 2007, 06:53:31 AM
I will have to upload more of my own now.  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 08, 2007, 07:31:22 AM
Yes, please - I'd love to have a go at some more, but Steve's remaining three (the only ones left which aren't mine) are going to prove impossible without a few clues as generous as mine have been  ;D :P 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on November 08, 2007, 08:54:28 AM
So of the three:
one is by a British composer with a title taken from a famous American poet
one is a transcription of a dance from ballet (with a theme linking other pieces from Spanish composers)
the other is by a composer who Luke posted a piece from which I guessed correctly
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 10, 2007, 12:55:17 PM
Don't quite know why it took me as long as it did, but BWV 17 is Tippett's The Blue Guitar.

The others are frustrating me- I think I'm close on one, but can't pin the piece down yet...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 10, 2007, 12:59:02 PM
...I can now - all coming at once! BWV 16 is from Takemitsu's Folios, I think - a work I had considered and discarded already (as I didn't remember the Bach quotation until now)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on November 10, 2007, 04:40:35 PM
Right, so the last is a transcription of a dance from a ballet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 11, 2007, 12:53:03 AM
And in the spirit of getting-things-done, Steve, you ought to check out my 160, as (among others) you certainly know it. I think we have discussed or at least mentioned this work before on this board or previous ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on November 11, 2007, 07:52:14 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 11, 2007, 12:53:03 AM
And in the spirit of getting-things-done, Steve, you ought to check out my 160, as (among others) you certainly know it. I think we have discussed or at least mentioned this work before on this board or previous ones.

Is it Henze's Royal Winter Music?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 11, 2007, 08:19:04 AM
Yes, it is - the end of the last number of the first book (Oberon)  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 11, 2007, 08:58:07 AM
BTW, just to show that my remaining ones aren't necessarily terribly obscure:

3 of my remaining composers are on this list (http://www.kickassclassical.com/#Arnaud)  ;D ;D (enjoy!)

5 are on  this list (http://wc09.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=69:)

10 are on  this list (http://wc09.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=69:0~T01) (and I think two of the omissions really ought to be on it or the previous one)

and 18 are on  this list (http://wc09.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=69:0~T02) (at least the above omissions are on this list, thankfully, though I think several more of my samples ought to be)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 11, 2007, 01:22:18 PM
four more from me
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 11, 2007, 01:32:51 PM
G 21 - Steve Reich - Electric Counterpoint, isn't it?

... now to look at the others...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 11, 2007, 01:33:41 PM
yep...... you got the easy one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 11, 2007, 01:37:16 PM
G 24 - Shostakovich String Quartet 13
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 11, 2007, 02:02:23 PM
G 23 - Faure, Requiem (Offertorium) (Knew this fragment well, just had a minor brainfreeze trying to fix it!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 12, 2007, 06:03:53 AM
wow, good job!

The last one is easy to identify the composer.... but the work may be a small problem. Maybe after a few guesses....... and if you think about this, this situation is pretty ironic  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 12, 2007, 06:16:57 AM
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on November 12, 2007, 06:03:53 AM
and if you think about this, this situation is pretty ironic  ;D

In what way?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 12, 2007, 06:21:27 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 12, 2007, 06:16:57 AM
In what way?
you'll see....... just guess the composer first
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 12, 2007, 11:11:19 AM
Well, it's George Crumb, Star Child (Musica Apocalyptica movement)... I don't see the irony yet, but I'm sure I will soon!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 12, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 12, 2007, 11:11:19 AM
Well, it's George Crumb, Star Child (Musica Apocalyptica movement)... I don't see the irony yet, but I'm sure I will soon!
well done again, Luke!

it could've been more ironic..... a page, or a couple pages ago I had been guessing through Crumb's piano works. This score seems like it could be any one of Crumb's orchestral works, but I guess only if you're not very familiar with it. If you had to guess a few times then it'd be ironic because this time I'm the one making people guess through a genre of the same composer instead of being the one guessing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 13, 2007, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on November 12, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
it could've been more ironic..... a page, or a couple pages ago I had been guessing through Crumb's piano works. This score seems like it could be any one of Crumb's orchestral works, but I guess only if you're not very familiar with it. If you had to guess a few times then it'd be ironic because this time I'm the one making people guess through a genre of the same composer instead of being the one guessing.

Fascinating.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: Guido on November 13, 2007, 12:44:58 PM
Fascinating.
now was that possibly on purpose?......

hm, maybe it was a conspiracy.... maybe it was subconsious?... maybe i just found the Crumb folder and picked one?......

ok, i gotta get 6 more up before long....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:13:34 PM
Please do - I can't get Steve's no 8 (not for lack of trying, either), and that leaves me with none to guess. I'm getting withdrawal symptoms... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
Meantime, no one want to have a go at my remaining ones?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 03:19:36 PM
here's two you'll never get in a million years  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:21:44 PM
Kidding, right? Without enlarging them...

Top one is me (Paz Songs)

Bottom one is Berg Violin Concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:21:44 PM
Kidding, right? Without enlarging them...

Top one is me (Paz Songs)

Bottom one is Berg Violin Concerto.
;D
that page from your score is my future wife, just thought i should let you know.

ok, now i'll get a bit more difficult >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

(  8) )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 03:31:57 PM
g27 is a piano reduction
g28 should be tricky
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:32:11 PM
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on November 13, 2007, 03:28:48 PM
;D
that page from your score is my future wife, just thought i should let you know.

ok, now i'll get a bit harder   >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

Well, if my score - your future wife - does that to you Greg, who am I to comment......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:34:21 PM
27 is Wozzeck

I've played 28, I think, but I can't place it yet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 03:34:49 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:32:11 PM
Well, if my score - your future wife - does that to you Greg, who am I to comment......
wow, i just read that in succession and that didn't sound right!!!  ;D

(just died of laughter)

ok, i have to change how i worded that  :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:34:21 PM
27 is Wozzeck

I've played 28, I think, but I can't place it yet
you're too good......
i'll get some non-piano stuff...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 03:41:03 PM
I've erased clues, including lyrics
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:43:18 PM
Revise that, I don't think I have played 28, it will need some thinking about
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2007, 03:45:06 PM
aha, I'm stumping you!!!!


dreams do come true.....  0:) 0:) 0:) 0:) 0:) 0:) 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 13, 2007, 07:03:19 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 03:34:21 PM
27 is Wozzeck

The opening of Act One Scene Five. Why do I never get here in time for the ones I know?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 10:44:02 PM
Well, I'm still kicking myself for being away on holiday in France for the first few pages of this thread!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 14, 2007, 03:49:54 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 13, 2007, 10:44:02 PM
Well, I'm still kicking myself for being away on holiday in France for the first few pages of this thread!

That'll teach you to go to France!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on November 14, 2007, 04:04:50 AM
Greg, is your no. 29 Sea Drift by Delius?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 14, 2007, 05:46:42 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on November 14, 2007, 04:04:50 AM
Greg, is your no. 29 Sea Drift by Delius?
very close! Right composer....... i'll give you a clue. This work is on the same CD as Sea Drift, for a certain recording. (i've never heard either piece, btw)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 05:59:19 AM
I feel a bit guilty jumping in like this, then, but I have a feeling - based on what appears to be the main motive, the baritone solo and so on - that the piece might be Delius's Appalachia

Whether it is or not - here's a Greg-like clue to one of mine: My recording of Appalachia (as you can tell, not listened to for a while) is coupled with Summer Night on the River and one other work, one of Delius's finest, and the Delius score of mine which hasn't been identified beyond the composer yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 14, 2007, 06:05:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 05:59:19 AM
I feel a bit guilty jumping in like this, then, but I have a feeling - based on what appears to be the main motive, the baritone solo and so on - that the piece might be Delius's Appalachia

Whether it is or not - here's a Greg-like clue to one of mine: My recording of Appalachia (as you can tell, not listened to for a while) is coupled with Summer Night on the River and one other work, one of Delius's finest, and the Delius score of mine which hasn't been identified beyond the composer yet.
ha, no!  :D
try again
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 14, 2007, 06:06:26 AM
(not doing anything to dispel the "myth" that all of Delius' music sounds the same)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 06:07:27 AM
I'm becoming a little doubtful that it is Appalachia because, scanning through the CD quickly, the baritone soloists doesn't seem to appear anywhere around where page 36 would probably be..mind you, this is Delius, the whole thing is blurring before my very ears....anyway, at least I had remembered the main motive correctly!

edit - see, I was right  ;D

Hmm, well, I could guess at other Delius pieces, but that wouldn't be playing fair, and anyway I have to go out now
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 14, 2007, 06:09:58 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 06:07:27 AM


Hmm, well, I could guess at other Delius pieces, but that wouldn't be playing fair, and anyway I have to go out now
yeah, let's see if Mark can get this one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Larry Rinkel on November 14, 2007, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 06:07:27 AM
mind you, this is Delius, the whole thing is blurring before my very ears....

He does have that effect . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 07:04:13 AM
Though not in the piece that I have quoted, I must say....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on November 14, 2007, 07:25:06 AM
My recording of Sea Drift (Sir Thomas Beecham) also has

Arabesk on it. Is this the piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 14, 2007, 07:56:45 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on November 14, 2007, 07:25:06 AM
My recording of Sea Drift (Sir Thomas Beecham) also has

Arabesk on it. Is this the piece?
nope...... maybe if i didn't erase the lyrics it would have been easier  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 08:18:14 AM
A (slightly educated) guess - Songs of Farewell?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 08:35:24 AM
Or (to cover another base) Songs of Sunset - I have the score to that one, and don't remember this page in it, but that means nothing....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 09:24:19 AM
It's Songs of Sunset - turns out that is the one I have the score to (from IMSLP - di you get it there too Greg?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on November 14, 2007, 09:30:14 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 09:24:19 AM
It's Songs of Sunset - turns out that is the one I have the score to (from IMSLP - di you get it there too Greg?)

I've never been able to sit all the way through this one. I suppose I must have gotten as far as page 36 though. It sounds very familiar.

(maybe that's because all Delius really does sound alike)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 09:37:13 AM
Me too - I don't remember much beyond the first few pages, and wasn't even that sure if I had this score or not! That's the depth of impression it had made on me! But at the same time, I hate being so quick to judge - it is consummate, marvellous music of its type, and if this kind of thing is what one wants (and sometimes it is what I want) you can't do better than Delius at his best.

Which - to repeat - my own Delius sample is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 14, 2007, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 09:24:19 AM
It's Songs of Sunset - turns out that is the one I have the score to (from IMSLP - di you get it there too Greg?)
yes and yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 14, 2007, 12:24:24 PM
Whilst the reasons behind it are nothing to do with this thread (I assume), the fact that Larry has gone guest is a real kick in the teeth for our little quiz.  :( :( :( Come back quickly, Larry.  $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 11:19:39 AM
I'd love to join in but I have to admit: the number of unguessed scores overwhelms me. Out of Luke's quizzes alone there are around 30 still left, and to that you have to add a few posted by others. I simply don't know where/how to start or where to look for clues...  :o ;D I was going to add a few of my own but I think I'd better wait a while, until at least 20 more have been guessed... ::) ;D

Just to encourage others: it took me a while but I've found the updated (? - hopefully) list here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg104015.html#msg104015).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 01:55:00 PM
There are only three left which aren't mine, though, so please feel free to post more.... I've hardly got anything to work on!

The most recent clues to my remaining ones - this must be the fourth or fifth set of clues for some of them! - are in the post above the one you just linked to. I'd love to, but I simply can't give any more. But do remember, some of my pieces are by very famous composers indeed (we're talking those that would make most listeners' top 10). Two in particular spring to mind - one, a German with a beard, was a friend, admirer and sometime promoter of the other, a younger Czech, also with a beard. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 01:55:00 PM
The most recent clues to my remaining ones - this must be the fourth or fifth set of clues for some of them! - are in the post above the one you just linked to.

Believe it or not - I didn't notice! :-[ I was just so happy to have finally found the list I sort of ran out of steam there... ;D

I'll take a look at them...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 02:05:15 PM
BTW, it was my 32nd birthday yesterday. This isn't quite as irrelevant as it seems, if you look back through my clues, specifically no 126.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 02:06:49 PM
Well then, to heck with clues!

A belated:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LUKE!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 02:07:09 PM
Thank you!  :) Though I didn't get any scores for my birthday, unfortunately....  :(


Shall I just post the list here again? I'll take that as a yes....


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt T?cut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - Jehan Alain - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - Birtwistle - Monody for Corpus Christi - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - Suk - A Summer's Tale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - Liadov - 8 Russian Folksongs - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - op 35/5 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - Milhaud - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano first movement (op 39/8) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - Gann - Petty Larceny - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - Hauer - Zwolftonspiel - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - Ornstein - Piano Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - Delius - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry about this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - Roslavetz - Piano Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - Kapustin - 24 Preludes and Fugues - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - Smetana - Macbeth and the Witches - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - Paderewski - Chants du voyageur - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - Gerhard - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - Messaien - Des canyons aux etoiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - Slonimsky - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - Arnold - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - Bartok - Rhapsody - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - Britten - Nocturne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - Smetana - From Bohemia's Woods and Fields (Ma Vlast) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - Havergal Brian - Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - Finnissy - Romeo and Juliet are Drowning - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - Britten - War Requiem - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - Holloway - Romanza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - Boulez - Improvisation 2 from Pli seon pli - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - Tavener - The Whale - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - Schoenberg - Bach arrangement: Komm Gott Schoepfer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - Hindemith - Ludus Tonalis - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - Knaifel - Psalm 51 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - Enescu - Oedipe - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - Nielsen - Violin Concerto - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - Medtner - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - Ellington - Heaven (from The Sacred Concerts) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)
150 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
151 - Maurice Emmanuel - Sonatina Pastorale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
152 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920)
153 - Adams - Harmonium - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922)
154 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925)
155 - Babbitt - Philomel - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95929.html#msg95929)
156 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931)
157 - William Grant Still - Afro-American Symphony - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933)
158 - Clara Schumann - op 23/3 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95935.html#msg95935)
159 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936)
160 - Henze - Royal Winter Music - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938)
161 - Webern - Kinderstuck - (Greg arr. Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95939.html#msg95939)
162 - Harrison - Peace Piece - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95940.html#msg95940)
163 - Ades - Arcadiana - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95941.html#msg95941)
164a and 164b (same piece) - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)
21 - Reich - Electric Counterpoint - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
22 - Crumb - Star Child - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
23 - Faure - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
24 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 13 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
25 - Me (Luke) - Paz Songs - (Luke) (don't be daft, Greg!) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
26 - Berg - Violin Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
27 - Berg - Wozzeck - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
28 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
29 - Delius - Songs of Sunset - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
30 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - Vidmantas Bartulis - I Like F.Schubert. Quintetto C Maj op.163 Adagio - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - Bronius Kutavičius - Last Pagan Rites - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - Onutė Narbutaitė - Autumn Ritornello. Hommage à Fryderyk - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - Loreta Narvilaitė - Butterfly - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - Baird - Voices From Afar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - Penderecki - Song of the Cherubim - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - Crumb - Processional - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
27 - Symanowksi - Prelude from op 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115465.html#msg115465)
28 - Messaien - Prelude 'La colombe' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115466.html#msg115466)
29 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115467.html#msg115467)
30 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115468.html#msg115468)
31 - Ravel - Prelude - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115470.html#msg115470)
32 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115471.html#msg115471)
33 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115472.html#msg115472)
34 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115473.html#msg115473)
35 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115474.html#msg115474)
36 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115475.html#msg115475)
37 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115477.html#msg115477)
38 - Shostakovich - F# minor Prelude from Preludes and Fugues - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115478.html#msg115478)
39 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
40 - Schubert - Gretchen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
41 - Mendelssohnn - 'Spinning' Song Without Words  - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
42 - Wagner - Spinning chorus (Flying Dutchman) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
43 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
45 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
46 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
47 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
48 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
49 - Chopin - 'Drinking Song' - (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
50 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
51 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
52 - Chopin - 'Spring' (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
53 - Chopin - 'My Darling'  (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
55 - Liszt - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
56 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116224.html#msg116224)
57 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116225.html#msg116225)
58 - Szymanowski - Demeter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116226.html#msg116226)
59 - Szymanowski - Four Polish Dnaces (no 2) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116227.html#msg116227)
60 - Szymanowski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116228.html#msg116228)
61 - Szymanowski - Masques - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116230.html#msg116230)
62 - Szymanowski - op 4 Etudes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116231.html#msg116231)
63 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116232.html#msg116232)
64 - Szymanowski - Stabat Mater - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116235.html#msg116235)
65 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116236.html#msg116236)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - Takemitsu - Folios - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - Tippett - The Blue Guitar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Hmmm, I've just Wiki-ed the date you ought to be looking for, to check that the answer is findable that way, and yes, their page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_November#Births) confirms that there was a composer born that day. Unfortunately, not the one I meant!!! - very far from it, in fact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Newman). However, their page for the one I did mean confirms that he was born on that day too. So there might still be a way...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 02:28:09 PM
OK, no. 126 is Alexander Knayfel - Psalm 51








......right?

(And I'd like to add that I've had that disc on my wishlist for at least a year now - but that's far from being a record... ::) :'()
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 02:30:53 PM
 :)
Correct - this is the CD that has the whole score to this piece reproduced in the liner notes. Guido needs to learn it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 02:38:35 PM
Yes, he could also record it and post the file here - that would save me the effort of buying the CD ;D (yes, I know, there's the other piece too... :-\)

82 - Nikolai Kapustin - 24 Preludes and Fugues op. 82 (1997)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 02:56:39 PM
138 - I've never heard (or seen) it but could it be Carl Nielsen's Violin Concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on November 29, 2007, 03:00:11 PM
138 = Sibelius Piano Concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 03:03:52 PM
Maciek's two guesses are correct. D's is less so....  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: D Minor on November 29, 2007, 03:00:11 PM
138 = Sibelius Piano Concerto

"For the Right Hand"?? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on November 29, 2007, 03:05:48 PM
Happy Birthday, Luke!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 03:08:52 PM
Cheers!

You see, my clues were OK after all - just took someone to try! I must say I was quite surprised that Larry never got the Nielsen one, but then it is one of his slightly less well-known scores. By which I mean, I'm sure Larry knows it, but it isn't the first Violin Concerto to spring to mind. Though it's very fine and great fun.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 03:19:01 PM
154 - Dvorak's 4th???????? (I don't have a recording! :-[)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 03:21:24 PM
It's in D Minor so if I'm right - I shouldn't be the one guessing... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 03:22:17 PM
Very close. Look at the key signature. This is - I think - the finest movement in the Dvorak symphonies before number 5; it is also my favourite movement in any Dvorak symphony outside nos 7-9

Edit - that's not a D minor key signature, no!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
(Dvorak is the bearded Czech I was referring to above)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 29, 2007, 03:30:33 PM
I didn't know if it was the 1st movt.

I've closed the window with the score and am too tired to look it up again. I'll just shoot that it's his no. 3 then...

Good night!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 29, 2007, 03:31:56 PM
It is no 3, actually! Glorious music... I'm off to bed too, but not before I've listened to that movement again...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on November 29, 2007, 11:46:13 PM
Luke...you've got mail!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 30, 2007, 12:15:57 AM
I think 132 might be Enescu's Oedipe... (I can't make out the name of the instrument below the celesta, so no clue for me there... :-\)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 30, 2007, 02:16:47 AM
Yes - Oedipe is correct. This is one of the score's highlights, the death of the Sphinx - her role is interesting for its use of quatertones and something close to sprechgesang. The instrument I was pointing you towards is marked as 'scie', that is, [musical] saw - its use here, representing the Sphinx's dying wheezes, is quite notorious.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 30, 2007, 02:51:44 PM
Well, as always - this is proving to be the most educational thread GMG has (at least for me)...

(Not to mention the most humbling one. ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on November 30, 2007, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Maciek on November 30, 2007, 02:51:44 PM
(Not to mention the most humbling one. ;D)

I hardly think so!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on November 30, 2007, 02:56:48 PM
I hardly think so!!

...said the Score-Guessing Monster! :P ;D

Here are some straightforward ones:

GENERAL CLUE FOR NOS 27 to 38: none of them is Meyer's 24 Preludes or Serocki's Suite of Preludes. In fact, none of them are by Meyer or Serocki! :o

MM27 - guessed (quite unexpectedly in terms of speed, I have to admit ;D) by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM27.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:12:34 AM
MM28 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM28.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:13:06 AM
MM29 - guessed by Luke

Russian composer! This piece comes from a set of... 24. ;D The composer was very prominent in the genre of children's music. He had also written operas, one of the more notable ones was based on a book by a French writer who was also a musicologist and had written a small but quite well known (I should think) booklet about Beethoven.

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM29.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:14:12 AM
MM30 - guessed by Luke

surprise!: Polish composer ;)

Largely unknown composer, most of his works have been lost. This very fun set of 6 pieces remains one of his most popular compositions, though one of his operas enjoyed some success for a while. He studied, among others, with Anton Rubinstein, and himself was teacher to such composers as Maklakiewicz, Perkowski, Szabelski.


(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM30.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM30.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
MM31 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM31.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM31.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:16:29 AM
MM32 - guessed by Luke

Polish contemporary composer (alive), featured on this thread more than once before. Very early set of three very "light" pieces, only quite recently rediscovered (and published). The composer has written a real lot of film music!

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM32.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM32.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:17:16 AM
MM33 - guessed by Luke

Polish composer. One of the first European representatives of a very important 20th century idiom. (An idiom much admired by Sean, let me add. ;D)
OK, I'll spell it out: one of the first European minimalists (though not really a repetitivist).


(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM33.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:17:56 AM
MM34 - guessed by Greg

what do you know... Polish composer again! ;D

Greg, you don't know this?! ;D

The composer's op. 1!!!


(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM34.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:18:17 AM
MM35 - guessed by Luke

I'll surprise you here: this is not from Tansman's three 'Preludes en forme de Blues' (ha, I actually forgot that existed - thanks for reminding me, I'll put it on - I mean the recording - in a sec! ;D). In fact, it isn't even by Tansman. In fact, it's not even by a Polish composer! :o Nor by a Polish-French composer!! :o :o Nor even by a French-only composer!!! :o :o :o

It is... by a Lithuanian!!!!!!! Epitome of Lithuanian music, in fact.

A youngish Stravinsky owned and admired a work by the author of this piece but in later years he somehow misplaced it (sold it? it was stolen??)... The composer in question knew Polish very well (studied in Poland, in fact - among other places) but learned Lithuanian only as a grown man (from his wife to be). Which, of course, was a pretty standard scenario in those times (at least the first part of it: I'm not sure about the proportion of Lithuanians who eventually did learn Lithuanian), as Poles had completely polonized the Lithuanian gentry.


(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM35.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:18:43 AM
MM36 - guessed by Luke

heh, heh, you guessed it: Polish composer! 0:) Contemporary, alive, and very consequently experimental - even in this day and age of "neo-tonalism"... ;D

He wrote a Passion setting (in Polish) a short while ago, and it has been committed to disc.


(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM36.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM36.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:19:40 AM
MM37 - guessed by Luke

ha ha! caught you there! NO, it's not a Polish composer! this is by another Lithuanian! 0:) Little recorded but has a small group of avid admirers on GMG (I'm not really one of them - for instance I find this set of piano pieces eminently uninteresting... 0:))

Born 1928.

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM37.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 06, 2007, 09:20:06 AM
MM38 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM38.jpg)

That's all for now. But "I'll be back". ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 06, 2007, 09:38:40 AM
The first one I played a lot when I was younger - Szymanowski's op 1 Preludes. Now to look at the others....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 06, 2007, 09:40:07 AM
31 is the Prelude Ravel wrote as a competition piece - won by a youngster IIRC.

Are they all Preludes?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 06, 2007, 09:42:08 AM
Maybe they are - the last one is the F# minor from the Shostakovich Preludes and Fugues.

Those are the ones I know well.....now the others are going to be harder, I think! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 06, 2007, 09:46:49 AM
Oh, I know no 28 too - another Prelude, no 1 of Messiaen's early set, called La colombe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 06, 2007, 03:11:16 PM
Total guess, but is no 35 by any chance one of Tansman's three 'Preludes en forme de Blues'?

Whilst I'm at it, I'm pretty sure these are both wrong, but this is you, so I might as well: Meyer's 24 Preludes? Serocki's Suite of Preludes? I can't see any pieces that look quite right, but it's worth a punt.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 02:24:48 AM
Szymanowski, Ravel, Shostakovich, Messiaen - yes, yes, yes, yes. :D

The last three guesses (Tansman, Meyer, Serocki) - no, no and no. But I have to say I really loved them anyway! 8)

(Perhaps wrong guesses are more fun for the person posting the scores because they are always unexpected...)

As a special reward I'm posting another set. Preparing these was a lot of fun - I hope it will be as much fun to guess them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 02:27:59 AM
The first 5 should be especially enjoyable:

Luke has already guessed the motif connecting all 5 ("spinning").

MM39 - guessed by Luke

A work for piano and voice (duh). Extremely popular in Poland, or rather: the melody is extremely popular. I suspect 43 might be in part responsible for this popularity, though obviously it is also an effect of it. Besides, 39 functions in many arrangements. Probably the most popular is one played by the "crossover" piano duo Marek & Vacek (the duo has loooong ceased to exist but its recordings still find a market) - I feel that their arrangement was inspired by both 39 and 43.

The composer is the most important Polish opera and song composer.


(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM39.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM39.jpg)

MM40 - guessed by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM40.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM40.jpg)

MM41 - guessed by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM41.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM41.jpg)

MM42 - guessed by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM42.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM42.jpg)

MM43 - guessed by Luke

A solo piano paraphrase of 39 - therefore: see also clues for 39.

This is by far the most famous take on 39. By a composer whose Piano Concerto I once advertised on GMG (in fact, I posted a recording of it twice!).


(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM43.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM43.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 02:29:57 AM
The next 5 too, I should think:

MM44 - guessed by Luke
This song doesn't really have a title but because of the first few words it is usually called the same as 47.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM44.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM44.jpg)

MM45 - guessed by Luke
This is by one of the greatest of the great composers. He lived at the end of the 18th c. and begginning of the 19th.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM45.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM45.jpg)

MM46 - guessed by Luke
Great romantic composer who went mad at the end of his life.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM46.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM46.jpg)

MM47 - guessed by Luke
One of the few great Polish composers of the 19th century.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM47.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM47.jpg)

MM48 - guessed by Luke
One of the greatest songwriters in history. If, indeed, not the greatest.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM48.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM48.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 02:30:42 AM
Then they come in pairs:

MM49 - guessed by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM49.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM49.jpg)

MM50 - guessed by Luke
I'll reiterate what I've said elsewhere: the connection with 49 is very strong here. In fact, you can say that there is some sort of "overlap" between the pieces............
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM50.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM50.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 02:31:19 AM
MM51 - guessed by Luke
Not Schubert!
The conncetion between 51 and 52 is similar (nay, same!) as the one between 49 and 50........

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM51.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM51.jpg)

MM52 - guessed by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM52.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM52.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 02:32:21 AM
And the last item (for today ;D) is a set of three:

MM53 - guessed by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM53.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM53.jpg)

MM54 - guessed by Luke
again: same type of connection here as between 49 and 50, and between 51 and 52.........
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM54.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM54.jpg)

MM55 - (second-)guessed by Luke ;)
but which piece could it be, I wonder? ??? ;D ;D (that's actually a hint, sort of... ;D)
Well, really! What sort of additional hint do you still need? ;D It's all there - just put the pieces together, seriously!
(OK, I'll lead you by the hand a little by repeating Luke's guess: this is a Liszt transcription of one of Chopin's songs..........)

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM55.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM55.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 03:51:27 AM
40 is Schubert Gretchen/Spinning Wheel and 41 is a Mendelssohn Song Without Words sometimes called something along similar spinninglines - is that a connection I should have made?

No time for more, should be working.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 06:50:28 AM
Excellent, Luke! Follow along those lines and you are bound to get at least one more quite easily (I think). The remaining two may (or may not 0:)) be a bit more tricky...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:50:56 AM
Well, I thought the piano part of no 49 looked somewhat like a Chopin Mazurka, so I researched a little further and found that not 49 but 52 is Chopin - a song called 'Spring' from his set of 19....but mind you, as the typeface is similar if not identical on several of these, there may be more than one Chopin one in here. I will continue looking into it....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 06:50:28 AM
Excellent, Luke! Follow along those lines and you are bound to get at least one more quite easily (I think). The remaining two may (or may not 0:)) be a bit more tricky...

Well, first thoughts were that one of them (the spinning ones) might be Wagner, but to my shame I can't remember the piece right now, so I'll have to wait till I'm at home.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:50:56 AM
but mind you, as the typeface is similar if not identical on several of these, there may be more than one Chopin one in here. I will continue looking into it....

Yes, I was right, 49 is Chopin too - 'Drinking Song'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:57:52 AM
53 - Chopin - 'My darling' (these are all from his op 74 set)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:59:31 AM
whilst I'm at it can I guess that the last one is one of Liszt's arrangements of the Chopin songs, though I don't know this one specifically. It certainly looks like Liszt.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 07:04:53 AM
Maybe I've missed some, but that's all I have time for now.


I wish someone else would play besides us two, though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 08:28:50 AM
Schubert and Mendelssohn (Spinnerlied) - correct. The Chopin songs - correct (I think - I don't really know the English titles but they sound right ;D).

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:51:48 AM
Well, first thoughts were that one of them (the spinning ones) might be Wagner, but to my shame I can't remember the piece right now, so I'll have to wait till I'm at home.

You got the composer (for one of them)! It's a piano reduction of course...

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 06:59:31 AM
whilst I'm at it can I guess that the last one is one of Liszt's arrangements of the Chopin songs, though I don't know this one specifically. It certainly looks like Liszt.

Again: you got the right composer.

General hint: from no. 44 on the links between scores in each set (set would mean 'multiple scores displayed in one post') are indeed very, very tight - and almost all these links are of the same kind. I think it would help you immensely if you found out what the nature of that link is... :-X

I'll try add some hints to yesterday's ones now - I'll add them directly into the initial posts (and then I'll slowly build more hints around those hints, if necessary) so there won't be any need to go back and forth between pages in search of "the missing hint"... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on December 07, 2007, 08:31:30 AM
I'm so glad that you gents have taken ownership of this thread, especially when I reflect upon Sean's Top 1,057 Composers  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 08:59:30 AM
OK, I've added some clues, though admittedly they're no exactly "generous". >:D Let's see if they're any help anyway. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 09:29:19 AM
OK, no 42 is the Wagner I thought it was - the Spinning Chorus from Flying Dutchman
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 09:57:32 AM
Not that it helps me any, but is no 43 an arrangement/paraphrase of 39?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 07, 2007, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 09:29:19 AM
OK, no 42 is the Wagner I thought it was - the Spinning Chorus from Flying Dutchman

Yes it is! :D

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 07, 2007, 09:57:32 AM
Not that it helps me any, but is no 43 an arrangement/paraphrase of 39?

As I implied earlier: you're monstrously good at this! 8) 43 is indeed a solo piano paraphrase of 39 (which is a work for piano and voice). 39 is extremely popular in Poland, or rather: the melody is extremely popular. I suspect 43 might be in part responsible for this popularity, though obviously it is also an effect of it. Besides, 39 functions in many arrangements. Probably the most popular is one played by the "crossover" piano duo Marek & Vacek (the duo has loooong ceased to exist but its recordings still find a market) - I feel that their arrangement was inspired by both 39 and 43.

I'm not sure if all this is any sort of clue... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:35:05 PM
Here are some more to keep you busy on Sunday. ;D

The concept here is completely different. You will note that as the scores in this set (of ten) get guessed, each next should become considerably easier than the previous one - this is all I'm saying as the first clue. ;D

Or perhaps it will turn out to be the other way around...? ;D ;D

Here goes:

MM 56 - guessed by Luke

NOT a Mazurka! (But a dance indeed!) Even though this was a commissioned piece, it was never published during the composer's lifetime. The composer (Szymanowski) has been guessed by Luke.
How about this for a hint: it's not a mazurka, it is a dance, one much more famous, and it is in triple meter...

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM56.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM56.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:35:37 PM
MM57 - Never published during the composer's lifetime, in fact it could be rationally argued that it was never really finished. ;D This piece is very closely linked to the next one (no. 58). - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM57.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM57.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:36:27 PM
MM 58 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM58.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM58.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
MM 59 - guessed (yes, actually guessed! :o) by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM59.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM59.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:37:32 PM
MM 60 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM60.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM60.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:38:01 PM
MM 61 - guessed by Luke (another piece from his awe-inspiringly wide repertoire 8))

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM61.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM61.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:38:21 PM
MM 62 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM62.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM62.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:38:41 PM
MM 63 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM63.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM63.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:39:06 PM
MM 64 - guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM64.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM64.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 01:40:01 PM
And the last one (for now :P:)

MM 65 -guessed by Luke

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM65.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM65.jpg)

I see there's "someone watching"! :o Who are you, dear "Hidden"? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:25:37 PM
These are tricky little blighters, Maciek! The only one I know without research is 61, which is a piece I have played quite a lot, Szymanowski's Masques op 34, last movement (a Polish composer, believe it or not). The others I am going to enjoy investigating further.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:27:00 PM
Ooh, hang on, 65 looks familiar....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:33:18 PM
aah, but 62 is one I know too - the 3rd of Szymanowkski's 4 Etudes op 4.

I sense a theme....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:35:57 PM
64 - third movement, Stabat Mater (Szymanowski)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
60 is the end of the Third Symphony by you-know-who (these are some of my favourite pieces, Maciek, thank you - why did I think they were so hard to start with!?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:49:05 PM
58 - Demeter (Karol S)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:53:32 PM
63 - his 2nd Violin Concerto, first movement
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:58:28 PM
And 65, which I was right to feel was familiar, is from KS's First Violin Concerto (nearish the start of the scherzando central portion)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 03:03:25 PM
I'll take an educated stab at 59 being the second of the Four Polish Dances by that Polish bloke Shimmer-something - the Krakowiak. This one I don't know, but it seems quite likely.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 03:06:20 PM
Likewise 56 looks very much like a Szymanowski Mazurka, but it isn't one of the op 50 set (which I have in score) so it is quite likely to be one of the two op 62 ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 03:09:48 PM
The remaining one - no 57 - hurts my eyes to look at at this time of night, so I'll leave it until I am fresher, unless someone else gets it first. There are plenty of possible Szymanowski candidates left, so  won't bother hazarding a guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 11:05:36 PM
He does it again! ;D

Except for no. 56 all your guesses are correct.

Perhaps this might serve as some sort of clue: The two remaining ones - 56 and 57 - were never published during the composer's lifetime. No. 57 is very closely linked to no. 58.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 08, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
60 is the end of the Third Symphony by you-know-who (these are some of my favourite pieces, Maciek, thank you - why did I think they were so hard to start with!?)

Well, I actually tried to choose sections which wouldn't look too obvious but which would be characteristic enough of the pieces - I take it this means I managed to pull that off. ;D

And since we're apparently alone in the room ( ::)) I might as well add: you're welcome, I'm glad you liked them. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 08, 2007, 11:57:59 PM
New clues added to nos 29 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115467.html#msg115467) for 37 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115477.html#msg115477).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 09, 2007, 01:59:51 PM


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt T?cut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - Jehan Alain - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - Birtwistle - Monody for Corpus Christi - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - Suk - A Summer's Tale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - Liadov - 8 Russian Folksongs - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - op 35/5 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - Milhaud - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano first movement (op 39/8) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - Gann - Petty Larceny - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - Hauer - Zwolftonspiel - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - Ornstein - Piano Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - Delius - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry about this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - Roslavetz - Piano Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - Kapustin - 24 Preludes and Fugues - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - Smetana - Macbeth and the Witches - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - Paderewski - Chants du voyageur - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - Gerhard - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - Messaien - Des canyons aux etoiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - Slonimsky - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - Arnold - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - Bartok - Rhapsody - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - Britten - Nocturne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - Smetana - From Bohemia's Woods and Fields (Ma Vlast) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - Havergal Brian - Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - Finnissy - Romeo and Juliet are Drowning - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - Britten - War Requiem - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - Holloway - Romanza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - Boulez - Improvisation 2 from Pli seon pli - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - Tavener - The Whale - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - Schoenberg - Bach arrangement: Komm Gott Schoepfer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - Hindemith - Ludus Tonalis - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - Knaifel - Psalm 51 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - Brahms - Geistliches Lied - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - Enescu - Oedipe - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - Nielsen - Violin Concerto - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - Medtner - ? - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - Ellington - Heaven (from The Sacred Concerts) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)
150 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
151 - Maurice Emmanuel - Sonatina Pastorale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
152 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920)
153 - Adams - Harmonium - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922)
154 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925)
155 - Babbitt - Philomel - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95929.html#msg95929)
156 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931)
157 - William Grant Still - Afro-American Symphony - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933)
158 - Clara Schumann - op 23/3 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95935.html#msg95935)
159 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936)
160 - Henze - Royal Winter Music - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938)
161 - Webern - Kinderstuck - (Greg arr. Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95939.html#msg95939)
162 - Harrison - Peace Piece - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95940.html#msg95940)
163 - Ades - Arcadiana - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95941.html#msg95941)
164a and 164b (same piece) - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)
21 - Reich - Electric Counterpoint - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
22 - Crumb - Star Child - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
23 - Faure - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
24 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 13 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
25 - Me (Luke) - Paz Songs - (Luke) (don't be daft, Greg!) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
26 - Berg - Violin Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
27 - Berg - Wozzeck - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
28 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
29 - Delius - Songs of Sunset - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
30 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - Vidmantas Bartulis - I Like F.Schubert. Quintetto C Maj op.163 Adagio - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - Bronius Kutavičius - Last Pagan Rites - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - Onutė Narbutaitė - Autumn Ritornello. Hommage à Fryderyk - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - Loreta Narvilaitė - Butterfly - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - Baird - Voices From Afar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - Penderecki - Song of the Cherubim - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - Crumb - Processional - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
27 - Symanowksi - Prelude from op 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115465.html#msg115465)
28 - Messaien - Prelude 'La colombe' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115466.html#msg115466)
29 - Kabalevsky - Prelude - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115467.html#msg115467)
30 - Statkowski - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115468.html#msg115468)
31 - Ravel - Prelude - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115470.html#msg115470)
32 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115471.html#msg115471)
33 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115472.html#msg115472)
34 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115473.html#msg115473)
35 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115474.html#msg115474)
36 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115475.html#msg115475)
37 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115477.html#msg115477)
38 - Shostakovich - F# minor Prelude from Preludes and Fugues - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115478.html#msg115478)
39 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
40 - Schubert - Gretchen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
41 - Mendelssohnn - 'Spinning' Song Without Words  - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
42 - Wagner - Spinning chorus (Flying Dutchman) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
43 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
44 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
45 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
46 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
47 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
48 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
49 - Chopin - 'Drinking Song' - (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
50 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
51 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
52 - Chopin - 'Spring' (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
53 - Chopin - 'My Darling'  (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
54 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
55 - Liszt - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
56 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116224.html#msg116224)
57 - Szymanowski - Agawe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116225.html#msg116225)
58 - Szymanowski - Demeter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116226.html#msg116226)
59 - Szymanowski - Four Polish Dnaces (no 2) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116227.html#msg116227)
60 - Szymanowski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116228.html#msg116228)
61 - Szymanowski - Masques - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116230.html#msg116230)
62 - Szymanowski - op 4 Etudes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116231.html#msg116231)
63 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116232.html#msg116232)
64 - Szymanowski - Stabat Mater - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116235.html#msg116235)
65 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116236.html#msg116236)
Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - Falla - Three Cornered Hat (Corregidor Dance) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - Takemitsu - Folios - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - Tippett - The Blue Guitar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 09, 2007, 11:21:38 PM
Your new clues look very helpful, btw, but I don't have time to look properly at the moment. Maybe someone else could play along ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 10, 2007, 08:17:52 AM
 :-[   :-[  :-[ 

Before I get on to them, though, I've just discovered the answer to Steve's remaining one. But I feel completely embarrased about it. Not only was this one of the first pieces I thought of after he'd given a particular clue, but I even listened to some of it (surely including this bit) to check it out. Worse still, I actually have this very score downloaded from IMSLP, though on my wife's laptop, not my home PC where most of my downloaded scores are kept. I'm on my wife's machine at the moment, which is how I've just discovered it. The answer, btw, is Falla, The Three-Cornered Hat, Dance of the Corregidor, in a piano arrangement. I'm feeling pretty thick....

:-[  :-[  :-[

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 10, 2007, 08:22:21 AM
So Maciek 29 seems to be a Prelude in F from Kabalevsky's set of 24 - looks right stylistically, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 10, 2007, 08:25:52 AM
30 - 6 Preludes, Roman Statkowski


your clues are more generous than usual, at least so far! I don't think I'd have got that in a million years without help!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on December 10, 2007, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 10, 2007, 08:17:52 AM
:-[   :-[  :-[ 

Before I get on to them, though, I've just discovered the answer to Steve's remaining one. But I feel completely embarrased about it. Not only was this one of the first pieces I thought of after he'd given a particular clue, but I even listened to some of it (surely including this bit) to check it out. Worse still, I actually have this very score downloaded from IMSLP, though on my wife's laptop, not my home PC where most of my downloaded scores are kept. I'm on my wife's machine at the moment, which is how I've just discovered it. The answer, btw, is Falla, The Three-Cornered Hat, Dance of the Corregidor, in a piano arrangement. I'm feeling pretty thick....

:-[  :-[  :-[



Yes thats it
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 10, 2007, 12:21:25 PM
Luke, nos 29 and 30 - correct!

(See, the other clues aren't all that good, I had less time... ;D)

About the De Falla: darn, I thought it could be him but all I have is Ritual Fire Dance (not even a recording or full score but the piano reduction) - so I checked that (just to make sure ;D) and gave up on it (I think IMSLP was already down). :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 11, 2007, 12:39:55 AM
OK, I know what happened now - I didn't actually have a recording of the Three-Cornered Hat at the time of checking, so I listened to some samples at Amazon to remind me of the various dances in the ballet, which I hadn't listened since I was a boy, when my dad had an LP of it (coupled with Larrocha's Nights in the Gardens of Spain, IIRC). I found  a page (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Falla-Vida-Breve-Amor-Brujo/dp/samples/B00005MIZG/ref=dp_tracks_all_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1197365396&sr=1-6#disc_2) which had clips of all tracks on the two disc set - this is a complete recording, so I thought I'd be sure to find it if it was here. Unfortunately, being a complete recording, the risk was that some of the dances wouldn't start as they do in discs of highlights, and that turns out to have been the case with the Dance of the Corregidor. By the time I got to this clip I'd have listened to something like 46 clips from this disc alone, and I must have been getting tired - the beginning of this track is a bassoon solo, so I must have quickly moved on to the next track, but if I'd listened on for a while I would have heard Steve's page begin.

The upside - listening to all that Falla got me to buy a couple of discs, including the Three Cornered Hat. But I hadn't listened to that one yet - when I checked it this morning, yes, there was Steve's page, clear as day!  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 12:53:36 PM
Somehow this thread had slipped to the back of my mind for a few days. But is Maciek 57 from Szymanowski's sketch for Agawe?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 12:59:11 PM
Yes it is, Luke! 8)




These 25 have been waiting on my disc for almost a week now. It's high time I finally posted them (this is still far from the end ;D).

I'll post them as 5 sets of 5 - there are lots of "hits" in these, so you'll quickly notice a pattern emerging between the sets... :-X

MM 66 - guessed by Luke
The beginning of a set of variations (sort of...).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM66.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM66.jpg)

MM 67 - guesssed by Luke
Polish female composer. The most famous of them all. Best known as a neoclassicist but this piece is from a later period.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM67.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM67.jpg)

MM 68 - guessed by Guido
I'm amazed this hasn't been guessed right away! I always thought it is one of the most strikingly beautiful openings of a piece ever written. And despite poring over this part of the score for hours I still don't understand what is it exactly that makes it so special (to me at least). The title of this pieces suggests that it is not really complete, that it is something unfinished - or perhaps not begun...
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM68.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM68.jpg)

MM 69 - guessed by Luke
I think those frullati over the short glissandi sound quite striking - this is from an orchestral piece (a symphonic poem of sorts) inspired by a very short quote from the Old Testament.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM69.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM69.jpg)

MM 70 - guessed by Luke
This is probably so simple that it's actually a bit banal but I still think it sounds very beautiful. Polish female composer (alive today). This comes from a sort of symphony. I've recently uploaded a piece by this composer and made it available on GMG.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM70.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM70.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:00:10 PM
Whew! It took me 15 minutes to force the forum software to pick up that post!!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:01:32 PM
MM 71 - guessed by Luke
Polish contemporary composer, very popular. I always say all he does is immitate (and not very well) the style of a much better (and slightly older) Polish contemporary - this piece is another proof of that IMO.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM71.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM71.jpg)

MM 72 - guessed by Luke
Setting of a very famous medieval religious poem. Incorporated into a much, much, much larger work. The larger work represents a religious genre not entirely popular among composers these days - and even less so when this was composed.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM72.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM72.jpg)

MM 73 - guessed by Luke
The composer of this piece does not come straight to mind when you think of aggressive, ferocious music - but this piece (which has a "psychological" title) starts of pretty darn loudly and keeps it up for a while - this page comes from very early on in it.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM73.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM73.jpg)

MM 74 - guessed by Luke
The composer of this was, as a young man, a pianist - though later he turned to composing only (conducting his pieces now and then). This is one of his very few pieces for piano solo (collected, they fill one thin volume), an extremely short one (though none of them are really long), and IMO his best for the instrument (his studies, for example, I don't care for at all). The genre is one popular in the baroque era (Bach wrote a whole series of these).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM74.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM74.jpg)

MM 75 - guessed by Luke
Polish female composer. This is piece is much better known in another incarnation (a violin piece, probably from 1951, popular as an encore - a version for orchestra also exists). NOT from Children's Suite, NOT from Four Preludes.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM75.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM75.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:02:50 PM
MM 76 - guessed by Greg
A striking section of a terrifying piece. The words the choir recites here rhythmically are: cor-po-ra par-vu-lo-rum. (sorry for the typo here :-[)
A recording of this has been just released or will be released very soon by Naxos.

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM76.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM76.jpg)

MM 77 - guessed by Luke
Not Penderecki, Meyer or Lutoslawski. Also: these are the last few bars of an opera score... The composer is not notorious for his use of clusters. His use of woodwinds here may be characteristic...
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM77.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM77.jpg)

MM 78 - guessed by Luke
Composer was excellent violinist and pianist. But probably better (virtuoso) violinist...
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM78.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM78.jpg)

MM 79 - guessed by Luke
One of my favorite choral works ever. If that is not a clue... Well, how about this: the text is not exactly the most meaningful to be ever set to music. It contains sequences such as "E U O U A E A E U", "A NE NE NE A NE", "NA NA HA GHI A HA GHI A NE A GHI E". These sequences of syllables are actually an immitation of a certain type of religious chant (the piece itself has a religious nature, as is evidenced by its dedication) - the title of the whole composition is the same as the name of that type of melismatic singing. The text does contain a few snippets of words, including the Latin phrase "Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine" and something which could pass as the composer's transcription of Old Church Slavonic words: "pokazujete Christa sołnieca" (though the composer only admits to putting in the Latin phrase).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM79.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM79.jpg)

MM 80 - guessed by Luke
A certain very famous 20th century composer's furtherst venture into the alleatoric world of the avantgarde. NOT Penderecki.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM80.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM80.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:03:41 PM
hmmm, do I detect a Polish thing going on here?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:03:43 PM
MM 81 - composer guessed by Luke, piece guessed by Greg
One of Lutoslawski's larger scores. And a piece that didn't exactly impress Sean when he listened to it fairly recently...
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM81.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM81.jpg)

MM 82 - guessed by Greg
The most famous section from an extremely large score - often performed separately. What the voice is singing here is actually a sort of melody so I think this should be not very difficult to identify. How about you, Greg? ;)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM82.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM82.jpg)

MM 83 - guessed by Luke
A Goethe setting.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM83.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM83.jpg)

MM 84 - guessed by Greg
Not Lutoslawski!
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM84.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM84.jpg)

MM 85 - guessed by Luke
NOT 2nd Sonata. Something simpler than a sonata!
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM85.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM85.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:04:59 PM
MM 86 - guessed by Luke
Not Beethoven and not Schubert. I always thought this was the most famous piece by its composer so I'm a bit surprised no one got it yet. The composer in question is not exactly obscure... At least I don't think so...
A neoclassical classic. If anything in that phrase can pass as a pun, then it is intended... :P

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM86.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM86.jpg)

MM 87 - guessed by Luke
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM87.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM87.jpg)

MM 88 - composer guessed by Luke, piece guessed by Greg
A staple piece. No, really - how many of them end in a traditional tonal chord? (If, of course, a single "C Major" chord can be called tonal...) ::)
The piece has been used to great effect in the opening sequence of one of Peter Weir's movies. That sequence is stunning in every other respect as well, BTW. (Of course, this might be less of a clue than I think, since Weir is a fan of Polish contemporary music in general... ::)).
This one has no percussion in it, and it is not Threnody!

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM88.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM88.jpg)

MM 89 - guessed by Luke
Since the composer hadn't written a violin concerto per se, this piece, along with another one, is sometimes considered to be a sort of violin concerto replacement... The title of the piece is generic and Bach (J.S.) is among the composers who wrote quite a lot in this genre (there seems to be some sort of Bach-pattern emerging in these recent ones).
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM89.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM89.jpg)

MM 90 - guessed by Luke
A double concerto, in case you haven't noticed. Not by Meyer.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM90.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM90.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:03:41 PM
hmmm, do I detect a Polish thing going on here?

What? Where?? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:08:06 PM
I'm still waiting for guesses on my Bach, Beethoven and Brahms samples from earlier on...!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:08:36 PM
Oh, and good night! 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:14:49 PM
Well, I have no clue on any of these. But no 66 looks vaguely like Baird, so that's a first tentative guess.

And I too, am still waiting for mine to be finished. Let's say it blatantly, there's a [master]piece by Brahms amongst them, and I'm saddened no one knows it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 15, 2007, 01:19:47 PM
OK, I just had to take another peek before I turned off the computer... 0:)

Luke, 66 is Baird! And I'm 100% sure you know some of these pieces!!!

Would your Brahms be the one with the double canon?? I'm ashamed to ask but I've got to try... :-[ 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:35:41 PM
Yes, I might know some of these - I have some ideas, but I won't check tonight.

Yes, the Brahms is the double canon one. One of my favourite Brahms pieces.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:53:04 PM
Cant' resist! - 87 - Gorecki Harpsichord concerto? (second movement?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:56:33 PM
88 - Penderecki? Could be one of a few pieces, though, will have to think on a bit
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on December 15, 2007, 02:59:05 PM
gee...... i wonder if there's any Penderecki here?  ;)

hm, i have no idea, i give up.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 16, 2007, 04:32:38 AM
I'm slowly adding new clues to numbers from 32 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115471.html#msg115471) on. The new content is in bold.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 16, 2007, 04:34:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:53:04 PM
Cant' resist! - 87 - Gorecki Harpsichord concerto? (second movement?)

Correct!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 16, 2007, 04:35:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 15, 2007, 01:56:33 PM
88 - Penderecki? Could be one of a few pieces, though, will have to think on a bit

Correct!

Quote from: 我叫格雷格 on December 15, 2007, 02:59:05 PM
gee...... i wonder if there's any Penderecki here?  ;)

See answer above. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 16, 2007, 04:58:29 AM
OK, I've added hints up to number 70 but I'm too tired to continue. I guess Sundays are better used sleeping off the extremities of the week... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 08:20:17 AM
Thanks - those clues look very helpful, and I have a good idea on some of the composers already: one thing that can be said for this thread is that it's greatly increased my knowledge of Polish and Lithuanian composers (or at least their names  ;) ;D ).

However, I am so sad to see that you and I are the only ones bothered by this thread. So I'm not going to go haring off to try to identify the pieces now; I'll wait until I have more time later tonight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 16, 2007, 11:30:35 AM
LO 128 - Brahms Geistliches Lied, Op. 30 (Lass dich nur nichts nicht dauren)

Man, who'd have thought a piece with a title like that would end with the word "Amen"! ::)

Now all I need is some loose change ($123+shipping) and I'll get me that DG "Chorwerke" box... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 12:39:37 PM
Correct - at last!

Save yourself some bother, here's the last of the three verses and the amen. I'm having a little trouble playing some mp3s through the Windows Media Player at the moment (chipmunks again), and that includes this one, but it works for me through QuickTime etc., so if you have a problem with it, try that first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 01:00:55 PM
We need two posts to fit the list on now....


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 01:02:21 PM
part 2


Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt T?cut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - Jehan Alain - Fantasie no 2 - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - Birtwistle - Monody for Corpus Christi - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - Suk - A Summer's Tale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - Liadov - 8 Russian Folksongs - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - op 35/5 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - Pasternak - Prelude - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - Julian Srciabin - Prelude - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - Milhaud - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano first movement (op 39/8) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - Klein - String Trio - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - Gann - Petty Larceny - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - Hauer - Zwolftonspiel - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - Ornstein - Piano Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - Delius - Song of the High Hills - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry about this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - Roslavetz - Piano Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - Kapustin - 24 Preludes and Fugues - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - Smetana - Macbeth and the Witches - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - Paderewski - Chants du voyageur - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - Woolrich - Viola Concerto - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - Gerhard - Concerto for Orchestra - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - Messaien - Des canyons aux etoiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - Slonimsky - Minitudes - (Larry, pieces revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - Arnold - 4th Symphony - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - Poulence - Sinfonietta - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - Bartok - Rhapsody - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - Britten - Nocturne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - Smetana - From Bohemia's Woods and Fields (Ma Vlast) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - Havergal Brian - Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - Finnissy - Romeo and Juliet are Drowning - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - Britten - War Requiem - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - Holloway - Romanza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - Boulez - Improvisation 2 from Pli seon pli - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - Ravel - L'heure Espagnol - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - Tavener - The Whale - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - Schoenberg - Bach arrangement: Komm Gott Schoepfer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - Hindemith - Ludus Tonalis - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - Strauss - Stimmungsbilder op 9 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - Knaifel - Psalm 51 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - Riley - Keyboard Studies - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - Brahms - Geistliches Lied - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - Rusollo - Risveglio di una citta - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - Enescu - Oedipe - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - Rawsthorne - Third Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - Brant - Voyage Four - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - Cardew - The Great Learning - (revealed by Luke)? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - Nielsen - Violin Concerto - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - Castelnuovo-Tedesco - Questo fu il carro della morte - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - Grainger - In a Nutshell - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - Obouhow - Le temple est mesure, l'esprit est incarne - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - Medtner - Piano Concerto 3 - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - Schuller - Klee Pictures - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - White - Drinking and Hooting Machine - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - Harvey - I love the Lord - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - Seiber/Dankworth - Improvisations - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - Ellington - Heaven (from The Sacred Concerts) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)
150 - Cage - from Songbooks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
151 - Maurice Emmanuel - Sonatina Pastorale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
152 - Otte - Das Buch der Klang - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920)
153 - Adams - Harmonium - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922)
154 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925)
155 - Babbitt - Philomel - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95929.html#msg95929)
156 - Mompou - Musica Callada - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931)
157 - William Grant Still - Afro-American Symphony - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933)
158 - Clara Schumann - op 23/3 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95935.html#msg95935)
159 - Reich - Tehilim - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936)
160 - Henze - Royal Winter Music - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938)
161 - Webern - Kinderstuck - (Greg arr. Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95939.html#msg95939)
162 - Harrison - Peace Piece - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95940.html#msg95940)
163 - Ades - Arcadiana - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95941.html#msg95941)
164a and 164b (same piece) - Schaffer - Apocalype of St John - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)
21 - Reich - Electric Counterpoint - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
22 - Crumb - Star Child - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
23 - Faure - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
24 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 13 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
25 - Me (Luke) - Paz Songs - (Luke) (don't be daft, Greg!) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
26 - Berg - Violin Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
27 - Berg - Wozzeck - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
28 - Gubaidulina - Piano sonata - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
29 - Delius - Songs of Sunset - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
30 - Ades - Chamber Symphony - (revelaed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - Vidmantas Bartulis - I Like F.Schubert. Quintetto C Maj op.163 Adagio - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - Bronius Kutavičius - Last Pagan Rites - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - Onutė Narbutaitė - Autumn Ritornello. Hommage à Fryderyk - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - Loreta Narvilaitė - Butterfly - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - Baird - Voices From Afar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - Penderecki - Song of the Cherubim - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - Crumb - Processional - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
27 - Symanowksi - Prelude from op 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115465.html#msg115465)
28 - Messaien - Prelude 'La colombe' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115466.html#msg115466)
29 - Kabalevsky - Prelude - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115467.html#msg115467)
30 - Statkowski - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115468.html#msg115468)
31 - Ravel - Prelude - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115470.html#msg115470)
32 - Kilar - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115471.html#msg115471)
33 - T. Sikorski - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115472.html#msg115472)
34 - Gorecki - Prelude - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115473.html#msg115473)
35 - Ciurlionis - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115474.html#msg115474)
36 - Knittel - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115475.html#msg115475)
37 - Rekasius - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115477.html#msg115477)
38 - Shostakovich - F# minor Prelude from Preludes and Fugues - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115478.html#msg115478)
39 - Moniuszko - Spinning Girl - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
40 - Schubert - Gretchen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
41 - Mendelssohnn - 'Spinning' Song Without Words  - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
42 - Wagner - Spinning chorus (Flying Dutchman) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
43 - Moniuszko/Melcer - Spinning Girl - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
44 - Moniuszko - Znasz-li ten kraj - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
45 - Beethoven - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
46 - Schumann - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
47 - Moniuszko - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
48 - Schubert - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
49 - Chopin - 'Drinking Song' - (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
50 - Moniuszko - Drinking Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
51 - Moniuszko - Spring - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
52 - Chopin - 'Spring' (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
53 - Chopin - 'My Darling'  (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
54 - Moniuszko - My Darling - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
55 - Chopin arr. Liszt - My Darling - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
56 - Szymanowski - Romantic Waltz - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116224.html#msg116224)
57 - Szymanowski - Agawe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116225.html#msg116225)
58 - Szymanowski - Demeter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116226.html#msg116226)
59 - Szymanowski - Four Polish Dances (no 2) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116227.html#msg116227)
60 - Szymanowski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116228.html#msg116228)
61 - Szymanowski - Masques - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116230.html#msg116230)
62 - Szymanowski - op 4 Etudes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116231.html#msg116231)
63 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116232.html#msg116232)
64 - Szymanowski - Stabat Mater - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116235.html#msg116235)
65 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116236.html#msg116236)
66 - Baird - Variations with no Theme - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
67 - Bacewicz - Pensiere Notturni - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
68 - Lutoslawski - Mi-Parti - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
69 - Penderecki - The Dream of Jacob - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
70 - Zielinska - Little Atrophic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
71 - Mykietyn - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
72 - Penderecki - Stabat Mater - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
73 - Baird - Psychodrama - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
74 - Lutoslawski - Invention - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
75 - Bacewicz - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
76 - Penderecki - Dies Irae - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
77 - Baird - Tomorrow - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
78 - Bacewicz - Rondino - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
79 - A. Bloch - Anenaiki - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
80 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
81 - Lutoslawski - Livre - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
82 - Penderecki - Polish Requiem (Lacrimosa) - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
83 - Baird - Goethe-Briefe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
84 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
85 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
86 - Bacewicz - Concerto for String Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
87 - Gorecki - Harpsichord Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
88 - Penderecki - Polymorphia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
89 - Lutoslawski - Partita - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
90 - Baird - Scenes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - Falla - Three Cornered Hat (Corregidor Dance) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - Takemitsu - Folios - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - Tippett - The Blue Guitar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
OK, some initial thoughts:

32 - Kilar? A Prelude, presumably
33 - not sure on this one
34 - your plea to Greg suggests Penderecki, though I didn't know he had piano preludes in his worklist
35 - Ciurlionis? Just a thought. This piece seems quite similar to a few Ciurlionis preludes (specifically, VLs 330 and 335) and though it isn't either of these, that's enough to make it worth a guess. I didn't look into the biographical stuff, though - I may be barking up the wrong tree. Woof.
36 - no idea yet!
37 - Rekasius?
39 - Moniuszko - Spinning Girl
43 - an arrangement of the above, then. I can find one by Melcer, is that it?
44 - no clue
45 - ought to be obvious, I think, but I need to look closely...
46 - ditto
47 - a great Polish composer? Can it be true?
48 - as 45 and 46. Shurely shome Shubert and Schumann here, though..
presumably 50, 51 and 54 are Chopin songs too, haven't got time to check right now. Perhaps they are something else, though, which explains my stalling on these ones!
55 - I'll check out some Liszt later, maybe
56 - Szymanowski - Romantic Waltz?
66 - Baird - Variations with no Theme?
67 - Bacewicz - Pensiere Notturni ?; Contradizione?.... who knows..
68 - ?
69 - ?
70 ah, just ????? from here on!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on December 16, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM

34 - your plea to Greg suggests Penderecki, though I didn't know he had piano preludes in his worklist

Gorecki- Four Preludes, Op. 1, (Piano), 1955


never heard it though!
(i totally missed this "plea" at first  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 17, 2007, 08:09:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
...
35 - Ciurlionis? Just a thought. This piece seems quite similar to a few Ciurlionis preludes (specifically, VLs 330 and 335) and though it isn't either of these, that's enough to make it worth a guess. I didn't look into the biographical stuff, though - I may be barking up the wrong tree. Woof....

Just checked out the biographical side of things, and it seems to tally with your [Maciek's] clues pretty closely, so I am a little more certain with this guess now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 22, 2007, 02:00:10 AM
Dropped in for a sec before I doze off (nightly colic isn't exactly easy to deal with... ;D)...

Luke, maybe you shouldn't include everything in your list anymore? Wasn't someone supposed to make a pdf of our quiz at some point? Why don't we all agree not to post any more questions until everything is answered, and then we can all start anew, while someone prepares the hefty "brochure" which will chronicle this thread's first 100 hundred pages (or so)...?

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
32 - Kilar? A Prelude, presumably

Yep. From a set of three. Nice, lightweight pieces but nothing special really..

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
35 - Ciurlionis?

Correct.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
37 - Rekasius?

That's right.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
39 - Moniuszko - Spinning Girl

A-ha.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
43 - an arrangement of the above, then. I can find one by Melcer, is that it?

Yes, it is. I wish I was a good enough pianist to be able to play it... ::)

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
47 - a great Polish composer? Can it be true?

One of the 2-3 greatest Polish composers of the 19th century. Question is, can you even name that many? ;D But seriously: the name that is usually listed right after Chopin. And this song is considered one of his masterpieces, though to be frank, I don't particularly like (even though I like this composer very much - just not this specific piece).

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
45 - ought to be obvious, I think, but I need to look closely...
46 - ditto
48 - as 45 and 46. Shurely shome Shubert and Schumann here, though..

Not sure if there's anything really obvious there but you're certainly on the right track... ;D Mr. Connery.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
presumably 50, 51 and 54 are Chopin songs too, haven't got time to check right now. Perhaps they are something else, though, which explains my stalling on these ones!

Hm... No.

BUT...

You're thinking in the right direction here. The composer in these songs is not the same. But perhaps someone or something else is... :-X

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
56 - Szymanowski - Romantic Waltz?

Ye-es! IMO, this is the piece where Szymanowski sounds most like Debussy - at least to my untrained ear.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
66 - Baird - Variations with no Theme?

Eeee-xactly.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 16, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
67 - Bacewicz - Pensiere Notturni ?; Contradizione?.... who knows..

Pensieri notturni - the last few bars.

Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on December 16, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
Gorecki- Four Preludes, Op. 1, (Piano), 1955

Yes. Not very much like "second" or "third phase" Gorecki but a very decent set of unoriginal pieces... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 22, 2007, 02:14:20 AM
I'm too tired to think up clues for all of them right now but I've added a few here and there. 0:)

Luke, I'll take another look at yours later. Have to leave the computer at the moment, sorry. 0:) 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on December 22, 2007, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Maciek on December 22, 2007, 02:00:10 AM

Luke, maybe you shouldn't include everything in your list anymore? Wasn't someone supposed to make a pdf of our quiz at some point? Why don't we all agree not to post any more questions until everything is answered, and then we can all start anew, while someone prepares the hefty "brochure" which will chronicle this thread's first 100 hundred pages (or so)...?

hey....... really? Who was supposed to do this? I would if I could, but i don't know how to, sorry....
i'd really like this, and have the list stop RIGHT AFTER EVERYTHING UP TO HERE IS GUESSED AND DONE and be included as the table of contents. Then I honestly think we should lock this thread and start a part II because this thread is just getting way to crowded and it's easy to get lost.
I'd also like to see some more traditional scores that are easier..... Paganini, Schubert, Bruckner, maybe?...... the more obscure modern pieces are hard to guess, and most people have lots of scores from IMSLP which makes it an easier game.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on December 22, 2007, 01:04:56 PM
i'll go ahead and reveal my remaining 2....

g28- Gubaidulina Piano Sonata
g30- Ades Chamber Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 22, 2007, 02:20:04 PM
Hey, Greg, there were plenty of very well-known scores (or very well-known composers) in my last batch; what's more, there still are some. Very famous pieces indeed - Bartok's Bluebeard, Smetana's From Bohemia's Woods and Fields, Dvorak's Third Symphony, a piece of Brahms, and others I consider equally major - which is why I'm shocked they either weren't guessed for a long time, or in some cases still haven't been. But my aim in posting score samples pieces here has always been to put up interesting, stimulating, intruiging or just weird pieces, which is also why I've always tried to put up entertaining clues and often typed a little about the piece too, even posted a little sound sample in some cases, after it has been identified. I haven't put up any scores just to be tricky, because that is no fun.

Ah, I see you've just revealed your two remaining ones - hardly Bruckner, Schubert or Paganini!! ;D   Perhaps I will reveal my remaining ones too, in a little while.

BTW, to make the thread into a PDF, just print it off using a PDF maker like Cute PDF. I'll do that, if you want, when the thread is wrapped up.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 22, 2007, 02:22:20 PM
Also as a btw, the only problem with PDF-ing the thread, and specifically the list of scores, is that it is hyperlinked (thus a quick and simple way of getting to each score sample); obviously that won't be the case in a PDF.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on December 22, 2007, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 22, 2007, 02:22:20 PM
Also as a btw, the only problem with PDF-ing the thread, and specifically the list of scores, is that it is hyperlinked (thus a quick and simple way of getting to each score sample); obviously that won't be the case in a PDF.
but PDFs often have links to other pages in documents..... like where you can click on the table of contents and go to any page.... though i'd have no idea if this is easy or not
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 22, 2007, 02:41:03 PM
Well, I'm not sure exactly what is being proposed, in fact, but when you print out a whole thread from here, using the 'print' button at the top of the page, all formatting disappears (you are left with lots of [] and [/] instead), as do images - click it and see. Which is how a standard PDF of the thread would end up looking; there may be a more sophisticated way to do it, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on December 22, 2007, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 22, 2007, 02:41:03 PM
there may be a more sophisticated way to do it, of course.
use vibrational fields.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 23, 2007, 04:48:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 22, 2007, 02:20:04 PM
...Perhaps I will reveal my remaining ones too, in a little while...

....so here goes - an early Christmas present: these last stragglers cleared up.

LO 44 - the composer of this one had already been guessed: Jehain Alain, one of the greatest of French organ composers, killed in action in WWII. He was greatly influenced by Indian rhythms, modes etc. separately and contemporaneously with the earliest works of Messiaen; there are also several works with extremely complex layerings of tuplets (such as 5:6:7) etc.. The piece is one of his most well known and extraordinary, the second Fantasie.

LO 59 - this is a Prelude by Boris Pasternak, author of Doctor Zhivago but as a young man determined to be a composer; a reverent disciple of Scriabin, as can be seen in the piece given.

LO 60 - the other Scriabin-linked score, this is another Prelude, by Scriabin's child prodigy son Julian, who died aged 11 in a drowning accident (like another extraordinary prodigy, Thomas Linley); he wrote this piece when he was 10

LO 72 - this is the beginning of the second movement of the String Trio by Gideon Klein, a work which I know for a fact some frequenters of this thread know, and which has been recorded numerous times. It is an extraordinary piece, perhaps the single finest work to be written by any composer whilst in a concentration camp. Klein was the youngest of these composers, aged I think 25 when he wrote this piece, his last work, before he was deported to Auschwitz, where he was killed. This movement is a set of variations on a Moravian folksong.

LO 77 - it was established that this is Delius; I didn't think it was such a hard thing from that point to get to The Song of the High Hills, which is by some considered Delius's finest work, never let down by longeurs and profoundly felt.

LO 87 - the Viola Concerto by John Woolrich - we see quotations from both Mozart and Beethoven (the latter the recurrent 'Lebewohl' which haunts this whole desperately nostalgic work).

LO 88 - the Concerto for Orchestra by Roberto Gerhard - a piece which is surely known by many here, one of Gerhard's finest and most interesting works, with a completely original attitude to musical time.

LO 100 - well, this was determined to be Slonimsky - it is a page from his rather wonderful, very imaginative and frequently hilarious set of 'Minitudes' for piano. The set mixes parodies and musical jokes (e.g. what would happen if you took the square root of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony; or, again, look closely at the DC markings of the piece on the right in my sample.....) side by side with typical Slonimsky harmonic experiments (Slonimsky was, amongst many other things, the 'discoverer' of what he termed the 'Grandmother chord', a chord exploited in some of these peices)

LO 102 - the Fourth Symphony by Malcolm Arnold. I thought we had plenty of Arnold-ites here, but maybe not. This piece was once memorably described as 'one of the most banal [symphonies] ever written'.

LO 104 - an even better-known composer. This is taken from the Sinfonietta by Poulenc, one of his best works, but perhaps not as well-known as it should be.

LO 116 - the one whose lack of identification really shocks me. This is the first page of Ravel's L'heure Espagnole!! Complete with metronomes, helping Ravel set the scene in Torquemada's clock-filled emporium.

LO 124 - another extremely famous composer. Richard Strauss. This is the 'On the Heath' movement of his op 9 piano pieces.

LO 127 - Terry Riley's Keyboard Studies.

LO 130 - Russolo's infamous (maybe not!) futurist piece Risveglio di una citta, scored for, wailers, whilstlers, roarers etc. etc. To be heard here (http://www.thereminvox.com/filemanager/download/77/Risveglio_di_una_citta.mp3).

LO 133 - despite leaving the composer's name on the score, not identified: Rawsthorne's Third Symphony, pretty well-known by some here.

LO 134 - a spatially-organised piece by Harry Brant. The piece itself, Voyage Four, would be almost impossible to identify; I'd have been happy just to get the composer's name

LO 135 - a famous page from Cardew's experimental music masterpiece The Great Learning. The piece to which the term 'minimalist' was first applied (by Michael Nyman) though it's not exaclty what we think of as minimalist nowadays.

LO 139 - tricky, this one, I admit, but my clues made it easier, I thought - the composer would have been quite easy to find, and the piece is one of a fairly small number; the skeletons on the score limiting it to only one choice, I'd have thought: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Questo ful il carro della Morte

LO 140 - I'm shocked the composer wasn't identified at least - his one of the most idiosyncratic styles, both visually (all those boxes and circled dynamics, for example) and verbally (on this page, for example, 'small swells', 'very feelingly', 'right hand does'nt [sic] slow off'). It is Grainger's In a Nutshell suite, one of his best and most extreme works.

LO 141 - harder, but not impossible given the clues. This is Obouhow's Le temple est mesure, l'esprit est incarne. The interesting thing here is the proposed method of notating black notes with cross noteheads.

LO 142 - the opening of Medtner's Third Piano Concerto - another work which many here know, I am sure.

LO 144 - the 'Arab Village' movement of Schuller's Paul Klee pictures. An American classic.

LO 145 - very hard, but the composer, a great English eccentric, is identifiable from my clues. This is John White's Drinking and Hooting Machine, to be played by people sitting round a table drinking.

LO 147 - the title of this piece is all over the score sample: I love the Lord, one of the best known of Jonathan Harvey's important series of religious choral works.

LO 148 - tricky, perhaps, and I'd love a recording of this piece. It is a collaboration between classical composer Matyas Seiber and jazz musician John Dankworth, Improvisations for Jazz Band and Symphony Orchestra.

LO 150 - the style doesn't look like it, but the handwriting and the Satie-an notational humour (look at the weird accidentals and the odd spellings) certainly does look like the act of Satie's most famous fan, Jon Cage. From his Songbooks (downloadable at Ubuweb)

LO 152 - like the Knaifel, this score is contained in the CD sleeve notes, and the label is the same, ECM. This is from Hans Otte's Das Buch der Klang, a classic work of its type.

LO 156 - and another classic of its (quite similar) type, recorded on ECM by the same pianist as the Otte (Herbert Henck) but also by its own composer - this is from Mompou's masterpiece, the Musica Callada. I can't imagine a series of comparably quiet, intense, intimate piano pieces that is the equal of these wonderful works, which temper Mompou's impressonistic Spanish style with some pretty extreme but always gorgeous harmony at times.

LO 159 - I'm disappointed - this composer has an extremely well-known style, illustrated to perfection by this sample. This is Steve Reich's Tehilim.

LO 164 - enormously tricky, but good fun to look at - this is Schaffer's Apocalypse of St John, of which every page is as intricately decorated as the two I put up as samples.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on December 23, 2007, 05:55:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on December 23, 2007, 04:48:41 AM

LO 72 - this is the beginning of the second movement of the String Trio by Gideon Klein, a work which I know for a fact some frequenters of this thread know, and which has been recorded numerous times. It is an extraordinary piece, perhaps the single finest work to be written by any composer whilst in a concentration camp. Klein was the youngest of these composers, aged I think 25 when he wrote this piece, his last work, before he was deported to Auschwitz, where he was killed. This movement is a set of variations on a Moravian folksong.

Ooh, controversial! The only other famous piece as far as I am aware hat was composed inside a concentration camp was The Quartet for the end of time - do you really prefer it to that? I remember liking it very much, but I can't quite say that it was as good as the Messiaen. Will give it another listen.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 23, 2007, 05:59:42 AM
Quote from: Guido on December 23, 2007, 05:55:39 AM
Ooh, controversial! The only other famous piece as far as I am aware hat was composed inside a concentration camp was The Quartet for the end of time - do you really prefer it to that? I remember liking it very much, but I can't quite say that it was as good as the Messiaen. Will give it another listen.
#

Well, I was distinguishing concentration camp from POW camp.... the musical quality of the two is pretty finely poised, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on December 23, 2007, 06:10:16 AM
Please excuse my boorish understanding of history... :-[

What other pieces were you thinking of then?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 23, 2007, 06:20:45 AM
Other pieces written at Terezin, above all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 23, 2007, 06:24:49 AM
And it's not a boorish understanding at all - but the distinction, in my mind, is that Messiaen wasn't staring death in the face - privation and difficulty, certainly, and presumably a deeply disturbing time, psychologically. Both the privation and the psychological turmoil are discernible in his quartet. But Klein (and Haas, Ullmann and Krasa, and Schulhoff elsewhere, and others too) were in a more perilous position, and I think one sense that in Klein's trio - the bleached out, fake jollity and desperate dancing in the outer movements, and above all the second movement. I think that there are things in this piece that go deeper than just the notes, and touch very sensitive places.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 23, 2007, 06:55:18 AM
Guido, while you're here (if you still are): take a closer look at MM 68 - it's a piece you know and admire, probably as much as I do.

Re the pdf - I might have made up the pdf part but I was alluding to this post by Larry:

Quote from: Larry Rinkel on September 03, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
I think we should wait. Otherwise everything gets too confusing. And I would like to capture all the images into a file as a kind of anthology.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on December 23, 2007, 07:01:46 AM
Of course - It's Mi-Parti by Lutoslawski. You are right I love this work. The beginning actually reminds me alot of Ives - specifically the Three Places in New England, The Pond, and Central Park in the Dark.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 23, 2007, 07:04:31 AM
I knew I could count on you! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on December 23, 2007, 07:20:32 AM
Quote from: Maciek on December 23, 2007, 06:55:18 AM
Re the pdf - I might have made up the pdf part but I was alluding to this post by Larry:

I'll try to knock something up, perhaps, once we know all of yours.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2007, 03:35:14 AM
Hint of the day:

www.eclassical.com (http://www.eclassical.com) features daily free mp3 downloads (available from their title page). One of today's free tracks is a certain movement from a certain piece by a certain Polish contemporary composer... 0:)











(hint no. 2: for a more specific hint check today's The Broadcast Corner) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 12:07:28 PM
Guess I should have called that "hint of the year"...

Wasn't much help anyway, apparently. Greg, where are you? ??? :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 02, 2008, 12:16:34 PM
No, I saw it and downloaded it. One of the three Gorecki Pieces in Old Style. But I haven't had a chance to see which of yours it is yet. As far as I remember, none of them are for string orchestra except that fast-ish one in D minor which I don't remember from the Gorecki piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 12:28:08 PM
Ha. This is where the "more specific" clue should come in - you've been swayed in the wrong direction, I'm afraid (actually, I think the piece in question may have disappeared before you arrived). I'll quote my Broadcast Corner post:

Quote from: Maciek on December 31, 2007, 03:20:24 AMI don't know how I've managed to miss this fact but www.eclassical.com (http://www.eclassical.com) features daily free downloads! :o

The first one is available on their home page - at the very bottom (under the heading Today's free classical MP3). Click on Get more free titles from eClassical.com and you will be taken to a page with a few more tracks (but NOT INCLUDING the one from the home page!). Here's what they're offering today:

A Polish Requiem/1: Lacrimosa , Antoni Wit , 5:02
Krysztof Penderecki
(this is on their title page)
a hint for those playing the mystery score game: you might want to download this!

(and on the "more" page:)
Mazurkas/1: Sustenuto,Jerzy Godziszewski,2:11
Karol Szymanowski

Pictures at an exhibition/02: Gnomus,Antoni Wit,2:41
Modest Mussorgsky

Pictures at an exhibition/09: Ballet of the Unhatched Chicks,Antoni Wit,1:16
Modest Mussorgsky

Three Pieces in Old Style/II,Andrzej Markowski,2:14
Henryk Górecki

Violin Concerto No. 2 in D minor/3: Allegro con fuoco - Allegro moderato,Bartlomiej Niziol,6:12
Henryk Wieniawski

(dunno why but today's theme is apparently Polish music/performers...)

And I'm cooking up another major batch of hints as we speak (to get us going for the new year, so to speak).

(BTW, Luke - it is as I suspected: you never leave this room, do you? just go into hiding behind the divan sometimes, I guess... ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 02, 2008, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 12:28:08 PM
Ha. This is where the "more specific" clue should come in - you've been swayed in the wrong direction, I'm afraid (actually, I think the piece in question may have disappeared before you arrived). I'll quote my Broadcast Corner post:

Ah, I never saw that post. Comes from never looking outside this thread, as you imply:

Quote from: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 12:28:08 PM
(BTW, Luke - it is as I suspected: you never leave this room, do you? just go into hiding behind the divan sometimes, I guess... ;D)

No, at the moment there isn't much on the board tempting me outside this thread!

I have the Penderecki Polish Requiem, as it happens. Can't say I've listened to it much, though.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 02, 2008, 01:01:04 PM
In passing, is no 72 from the same geezer's St Luke Passion?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 02, 2008, 01:16:05 PM
More specifically, of course - is it his Stabat Mater, which is also an interpolation into that later work?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 01:18:18 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 02, 2008, 12:45:07 PM
I have the Penderecki Polish Requiem, as it happens. Can't say I've listened to it much, though.... ;D

I don't blame you! ;D I think I've managed to sit through the whole thing only once. I do return to the Lacrimosa and Agnus Dei quite often though... (Also, some of the parts where he quotes the Polish church hymn "Swiety Boze" are good too but, again, a bit longish for my tastes... ::))

Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 02, 2008, 01:01:04 PM
In passing, is no 72 from the same geezer's St Luke Passion?

Yes, it is! Now all we need is the title - it shouldn't be too difficult, I think...

Ah, I see you've already spelled it out:

Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 02, 2008, 01:16:05 PM
More specifically, of course - is it his Stabat Mater, which is also an interpolation into that later work?

That's correct. Now I have to edit the latter part of this post. One sec...




Before I start with my new batch of clues: I'd like to correct a significant (but really unintended) typo in my clue to MM 76!!! The words shouted by the choir are "corpora palvulorum"! Sorry for that... :-[

Also, an addendum to my earlier replies: I meant to give you the proper reference for the Ciurlionis piece. It is Prelude VL 339 (1909). And the "work" Stravinsky owned was, of course, a painting! The Rekasius Prelude comes from his set of 12 piano preludes entitle Atonika (1972).

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed (I'm providing links):
33 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115472.html#msg115472)
36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115475.html#msg115475)
44-48 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
50 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
51 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
54, 55 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
69, 70 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
71, 73-75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
76-80 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
81-85 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
86, 88-90 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)

Now, here's the clue. The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 4 pieces
Baird 4 pieces
Beethoven 1 piece
(Augustyn) Bloch 1
Knittel 1
Liszt 1 (we already know which one)
Lutoslawski 4
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Moniuszko 5
Mykietyn 1
Penderecki 4 (one of them, I think, already identified)
Schubert 1
Schumann 1
(Tomasz) Sikorski 1
Zielinska 1

I hope I haven't made a mistake - there are still quite a few of them left, after all!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 01:23:30 PM
Hmmm... It doesn't add up (28 vs. 30 or is it 31? ??? :P). Let me count again... 0:)

(Well, at least I gave you the names...)




Ah, corrected. Everything was fine, really: I simply forgot to include the last three links (87-90).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 01:35:18 PM
Not my perfect day, memory-wise... ::)

Here's another thing I've forgotten: the Marek & Vacek version of Moniuszko's Prząśniczka (The Spinning-girl) - my number 39 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677) (for fun purposes).

[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/01Przasniczka.mp3[/mp3]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 02, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
Quote from: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 12:07:28 PM


Wasn't much help anyway, apparently. Greg, where are you? ??? :'(
busy  :-X


Quote from: Maciek on January 02, 2008, 01:18:18 PM
I don't blame you! ;D I think I've managed to sit through the whole thing only once. I do return to the Lacrimosa and Agnus Dei quite often though... (Also, some of the parts where he quotes the Polish church hymn "Swiety Boze" are good too but, again, a bit longish for my tastes... ::))

Yes, it is! Now all we need is the title - it shouldn't be too difficult, I think...

Ah, I see you've already spelled it out:

That's correct. Now I have to edit the latter part of this post. One sec...




Before I start with my new batch of clues: I'd like to correct a significant (but really unintended) typo in my clue to MM 76!!! The words shouted by the choir are "corpora palvulorum"! Sorry for that... :-[

Also, an addendum to my earlier replies: I meant to give you the proper reference for the Ciurlionis piece. It is Prelude VL 339 (1909). And the "work" Stravinsky owned was, of course, a painting! The Rekasius Prelude comes from his set of 12 piano preludes entitle Atonika (1972).

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed (I'm providing links):
33 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115472.html#msg115472)
36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115475.html#msg115475)
44-48 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
50 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
51 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
54, 55 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
69, 70 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
71, 73-75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
76-80 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
81-85 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
86, 88-90 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)

Now, here's the clue. The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 4 pieces
Baird 4 pieces
Beethoven 1 piece
(Augustyn) Bloch 1
Knittel 1
Liszt 1 (we already know which one)
Lutoslawski 4
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Moniuszko 5
Mykietyn 1
Penderecki 4 (one of them, I think, already identified)
Schubert 1
Schumann 1
(Tomasz) Sikorski 1
Zielinska 1

I hope I haven't made a mistake - there are still quite a few of them left, after all!

oooooooooohhhhh sweet
i'll take a few minutes and make some guesses

ok.... is MM86 Beethoven or Schubert? or maybe it's one of those guys i haven't heard about...

you guys where talking about the Polish Requiem- is that MM82? I love the Polish Requiem! Listened to it about 3 times but haven't heard it in over a year...  :'(

MM77 is very confusing... blatantly Penderecki yet i can't think of any of his scores that uses such and extensive bass clarinet solo!

MM51- looks like Schubert.


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 02, 2008, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: ????? (Greg) on January 02, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
MM77 is very confusing... blatantly Penderecki yet i can't think of any of his scores that uses such and extensive bass clarinet solo!

Then it has to be his greatest composition!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 03, 2008, 01:18:35 AM
Nice hearing from you, Greg. :)

Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on January 02, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
ok.... is MM86 Beethoven or Schubert? or maybe it's one of those guys i haven't heard about...

It's not Beethoven and not Schubert. And I have no way of telling whether it's by someone you've heard about... ;D

Quote
you guys where talking about the Polish Requiem- is that MM82?

Yes, it is. :D :D :D But since this movement is often performed (and recorded) separately, would it be too much if I asked for the title of it as well? 0:)

Quote
MM77 is very confusing... blatantly Penderecki yet i can't think of any of his scores that uses such and extensive bass clarinet solo!

Hmmm... Could it possibly be by someone other than Penderecki then? ;) ;)

Quote
MM51- looks like Schubert.

But it's not! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 03, 2008, 06:26:04 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 03, 2008, 01:18:35 AM


Yes, it is. :D :D :D But since this movement is often performed (and recorded) separately, would it be too much if I asked for the title of it as well? 0:)


Lacrimosa?


QuoteHmmm... Could it possibly be by someone other than Penderecki then? Wink Wink
the only other Polish composers on your list i'm familiar with are Lutoslawski and Meyer.... and i haven't heard them write so many straightforward clusters, i don't think.... or could it be someone else?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 03, 2008, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on January 03, 2008, 06:26:04 AM
Lacrimosa?

Precisely! 8)

Quote
the only other Polish composers on your list i'm familiar with are Lutoslawski and Meyer.... and i haven't heard them write so many straightforward clusters, i don't think.... or could it be someone else?

Well, OK, this composer is not exactly notorious for his use of clusters. The way he uses the woodwinds in this passage, OTOH, seems (at least to me) very characteristic. I feel I'm revealing too much here but what the heck - it's the beginning of a new year, isn't it? I'll be much more reticent with clues in December! $:) So, for the record: it's neither Penderecki, nor Lutoslawski, nor Meyer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 03, 2008, 10:55:15 AM
I've added a few more clues to the later ones (starting with 77 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)) - not to all of them though. Somehow I just can't think of any good clues to most of them... :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 03, 2008, 01:03:27 PM
A few answers/guesses.....

33 - Sikorski - First of 2 Preludes
45 is clearly Beethoven, as I thought initially - the problem is finding the song itself.
46 ditto re Schumann
48 and ditto re Schubert
70 - is this Zielinska?
75 - Bacewicz - Children's Suite
78 - also Bacewicz
82 - I'll have you know I guessed the Penderecki Polish Wotsit for this first (see above), but didn't have the patience to sit through it and find the movement  ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
83 - Baird - Goethe-Briefe
86 - Bacewicz - Concerto for String Orchestra
90 - Meyer - Concerto da Camera no 4

I have ideas on a few others too, but it will help if I know if these are right or not....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 03, 2008, 02:08:50 PM
Ah, Luke, you're in excellent form, as always!

Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 03, 2008, 01:03:27 PM
A few answers/guesses.....

33 - Sikorski - First of 2 Preludes
45 is clearly Beethoven, as I thought initially - the problem is finding the song itself.
46 ditto re Schumann
48 and ditto re Schubert
70 - is this Zielinska?

All correct. Nice to see the Sikorski "recognized". ;D

Quote
75 - Bacewicz - Children's Suite

It is Bacewicz but not part of the Children's Suite. It is quite popular as a separate piece, especially in a violin arrangement (and another one for orchestra too!). I think the original (violin) version comes from 1951.

Quote
78 - also Bacewicz

Yes.

Quote
82 - I'll have you know I guessed the Penderecki Polish Wotsit for this first (see above), but didn't have the patience to sit through it and find the movement  ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)

Hm. Yes but you never gave us a score number - so that doesn't count as a real guess... ;D

Quote
83 - Baird - Goethe-Briefe
86 - Bacewicz - Concerto for String Orchestra

Both correct.

Quote
90 - Meyer - Concerto da Camera no 4

Nope. Not even Meyer. Can't think of a good clue for this. It does look like another one of the unguessed ones, IMO - and they are both by thes same composer. But I guess that's a bit vague...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 04, 2008, 02:00:11 AM
Here's an update, hopefully correct ;D:

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed:
36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115475.html#msg115475)
44-48 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
50 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
51 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
54, 55 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
69, 70 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
71, 73-75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
76-80 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
81, 84, 85 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
88-90 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)

Now, here's the clue. The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 3 pieces (2 identified)
Baird 3 pieces
Beethoven 1 piece (identified)
(Augustyn) Bloch 1
Knittel 1
Liszt 1 (identified)
Lutoslawski 4
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Moniuszko 5
Mykietyn 1
Penderecki 3 (1 identified)
Schubert 1 (identified)
Schumann 1 (identified)
Zielinska 1 (identified)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 07, 2008, 12:32:32 PM
We must get this stuff finished! Let's wrap these last ones up. A few more guesses, then, some more complete than others:

36 – Is this a Prelude by Knittel? He has written some.....
44 – see below – can't quite get this one, though! Is this Moniuszko too? I'm only going by your clue that there are 5 Moniuszko ones left.
The following four are settings of Goethe's Kennst du das Land by Beethoven, Schumann, Monisuzko and Schubert, I think
45 - Beethoven
46 - Schumann
47 - Moniuszko
48 – Schubert
50 – Moniuszko – Drinking Song (Moniuszko set the same poem as Chopin, Hulanka)
52 – Moniuszko – Spring (and he set this one too)
54 – Moniuszko – My Darling (ditto)
55 – Liszt – Guessing also either Spring or My Darling (probably the former?) as these are the only ones of the above that he transcribed in his six Chopin transcriptions
69 – Penderecki – The Dream of Jacob? Total guess....
70 – Zielinska – Little Atrophic Symphony? Ditto....
71 – Is this the Mykietyn? In which case, is it his Piano Concerto?
73 – Baird - Psychodrama?
74 – Lutoslawski – Invention (1968)?
75 – Bacewicz – Mazovian Dance?
76 – ?
77 – Baird  - Tomorrow?
78 – Bacewicz – Rondino? Sonatina? Ten Concert Etudes?
79 – Augustyn Bloch - Anenaiki
80 - Penderecki?
81 – Lutoslawski?
84 – Lutoslawski?
85 - Bacewicz?
88 – Penderecki – Anaklasis – just a guess, as it is a piece from about the time that this score appears to have been composed, written for strings and percussion, so it might fit. I have a recording at home, but I'm not at home.....!
89 - Lutoslawski - Partita
90 - Baird - Scenes for Cello, Harp and Orchestra


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 07, 2008, 12:36:11 PM
everyone of them are right, Luke, including the ? marks. Those aren't real scores, Maciek just made them up.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 07, 2008, 12:37:44 PM
Wouldn't surprise me.

I need a healthy dose of non-Polish music now.....  ;D  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 07, 2008, 01:52:51 PM
IMPORTANT: This post contains further clues! They are all in red.

Luke, your "guesses" are amazing :o - but we all know they're not real guesses - you actually own all these scores and are just trying to look even smarter than you already are... ;)

Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 07, 2008, 12:32:32 PM
We must get this stuff finished! Let’s wrap these last ones up. A few more guesses, then, some more complete than others:

36 – Is this a Prelude by Knittel? He has written some…..
44 – see below – can’t quite get this one, though! Is this Moniuszko too? I’m only going by your clue that there are 5 Moniuszko ones left.
The following four are settings of Goethe’s Kennst du das Land by Beethoven, Schumann, Monisuzko and Schubert, I think
45 - Beethoven
46 - Schumann
47 - Moniuszko
48 – Schubert
50 – Moniuszko – Drinking Song (Moniuszko set the same poem as Chopin, Hulanka)
52 – Moniuszko – Spring (and he set this one too)
54 – Moniuszko – My Darling (ditto)

All correct! 44 is Moniuszko's song to a text by Kraszewski. But by an amazing coincidence the first words ("Znasz-li ten kraj...") are the same as those of the translation of Goethe's poem that Moniuszko uses. Hence this song too is known under that title.

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55 – Liszt – Guessing also either Spring or My Darling (probably the former?)

Actually, the latter!

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69 – Penderecki – The Dream of Jacob? Total guess….
70 – Zielinska – Little Atrophic Symphony? Ditto….
71 – Is this the Mykietyn? In which case, is it his Piano Concerto?
73 – Baird - Psychodrama?
74 – Lutoslawski – Invention (1968)?

All very good guesses (meaning they are all correct!).

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75 – Bacewicz – Mazovian Dance?

Nope.

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76 – ?

That's right. We still don't know this one. ;D

Hint especially for Greg (and others too, of course): a recording of this has been just released or will be released very soon by Naxos.

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77 – Baird  - Tomorrow?

Yes!

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78 – Bacewicz – Rondino?

Of course! ( :P ;D)

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79 – Augustyn Bloch - Anenaiki

Yes. Great piece - though perhaps that's difficult to tell by the first page of the score... ;D

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80 - Penderecki?

Nope. But it is a Polish composer. HA HA HA! >:D

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81 – Lutoslawski?

Yes, one of his larger scores. And a piece that didn't exactly impress Sean when he listened to it fairly recently...

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84 – Lutoslawski?

Nope. Sorry. It does look a bit like him though, doesn't it? In a way, it reminds me of Mi-parti (but also of one of Penderecki's Cello Concertos) - but just in the opening bars.

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85 - Bacewicz?

Yes. You need to repeat one of your guesses (not quoted above) to get the title... :-X

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88 – Penderecki – Anaklasis – just a guess, as it is a piece from about the time that this score appears to have been composed, written for strings and percussion, so it might fit. I have a recording at home, but I’m not at home…..!

Nope. Wow, I sincerely thought this would be one of the easier ones - because I believed this was one of his most famous pieces. Obviously I was wrong... ::) This one has no percussion in it, and it is not Threnody!

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89 - Lutoslawski - Partita
90 - Baird - Scenes for Cello, Harp and Orchestra

Precisely. On both counts.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 07, 2008, 01:57:54 PM
Oh, and Luke's 52 is my 51! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 07, 2008, 02:25:53 PM
88- Polymorphia
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 07, 2008, 02:27:59 PM
Correct, Greg! 8)

Another update:

The following numbers from my set remain unguessed:
75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
76, 80 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
81, 84, 85 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)

The works that remain to be guessed are by the following composers (in alphabetical order):

Bacewicz 2 pieces
Lutoslawski 2
(Krzysztof) Meyer 1
Penderecki 1
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 07, 2008, 02:29:23 PM
76- Dies Irae?     (if not, i know which one it is  ;D)

ok... i'll try another now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 07, 2008, 02:31:19 PM
75- Children's Suite?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 07, 2008, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on January 07, 2008, 02:29:23 PM
76- Dies Irae?

Yes.

Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on January 07, 2008, 02:31:19 PM
75- Children's Suite?

No. We've had that guess before - I forgot to paste it into the hint.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 07, 2008, 02:43:59 PM
81- Livre

75- Four Preludes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 07, 2008, 02:46:22 PM
84 is Meyer, right? If so, is it something i have? If so, i'll check it out myself.  8)

85 looks mildly complex, my first guess would be the 2nd piano sonata.

80 is totally stumping me..... is this a little part of the score or the whole thing, vertically?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 07, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on January 07, 2008, 02:43:59 PM
81- Livre

Yes!

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75- Four Preludes?

Nope, still not it. The composition is best known as a violin encore-piece...

Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on January 07, 2008, 02:46:22 PM
84 is Meyer, right? If so, is it something i have? If so, i'll check it out myself.  8)

Yes, it's Meyer! 8) And I think you do have it, unless I'm misremembering...

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85 looks mildly complex, my first guess would be the 2nd piano sonata.

Very mildly. No, not a sonata. Something simpler. ;)

I'm logging off now. Good night!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 07, 2008, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: Maciek on January 07, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
Yes!

Nope, still not it. The composition is best known as a violin encore-piece...

Yes, it's Meyer! 8) And I think you do have it, unless I'm misremembering...

Very mildly. No, not a sonata. Something simpler. ;)

I'm logging off now. Good night!
Dobranoc!

ok, now just 75, 80, 84, 85....

a few more guesses:
75- Bacewicz- Polish Dance
80- Lutoslawski- Les Espaces du sommeil 
84- Meyer- Musica Incrostata
85- Bacewicz- Children's Suite

84 is the only one i'm sure of, though
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 08, 2008, 03:30:42 AM
...and from me (only 4 left now!!!   :o :o 8) 8) ):

75 - Bacewicz - Oberek? Polish Capriccio? The Oberek and the Mazovian Dance seem to be her only violin pieces from 1951 (as per your clue), apart from a Sonata; the Polish Capriccio, which does exist in lots of transcriptions, dates from 1949. (I think, given the difficulty in tracking it down, you might have to give up saying that it is 'very well known', though, Maciek!)
80 - Lutoslawski - Jeux Venetiens (slightly more than a guess because I just listened to the first bars of the thing....still hard to be 100% sure, though)
84 - Meyer, I'm going to go with Greg's suggestion, I think
85 - Bacewicz, simpler than a Sonata? Sonatina?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 08, 2008, 05:02:04 AM
Congratulations, gentlemen. We're done! 8)

The correct answers to the remaining ones are given below:

Quote from: 僕はグレグ (Greg) on January 07, 2008, 03:24:39 PM
84- Meyer- Musica Incrostata

Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 08, 2008, 03:30:42 AM
75 - Bacewicz - Oberek?
80 - Lutoslawski - Jeux Venetiens
85 - Bacewicz, Sonatina?

BRAVO! I would present you each with a bouquet of flowers... but where do I get them in the middle of winter? :P

Luke, you can wrap it up, lock the thread, delete all the posts - do whatever you want now! ;D

(And no, I stand by my word: among violinists who play anything at all by Bacewicz, the Oberek is extremely popular! :P :P :P)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 08, 2008, 05:11:25 AM
But bear in mind that this is the 5th longest thread on GMG - I think we should keep it running. At least until it is the 1st... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 08, 2008, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 08, 2008, 05:02:04 AM
Congratulations, gentlemen. We're done! 8)

The correct answers to the remaining ones are given below:

BRAVO! I would present you each with a bouquet of flowers... but where do I get them in the middle of winter? :P

Luke, you can wrap it up, lock the thread, delete all the posts - do whatever you want now! ;D

(And no, I stand by my word: among violinists who play anything at all by Bacewicz, the Oberek is extremely popular! :P :P :P)

Woohoo!

I can't lock the thread - it's Sean's, not mine, and it is his greatest gift to humanity - and nor would I want to if I could. However, if you or anyone else wants to continue the game, maybe a fresh thread would be a good idea (he said reluctantly).

I do have some more prepared if anyone wants - and they are almost all by really, really, really famous composers. Promise.

Edit - seen your newest post - couldn't agree more!!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 08, 2008, 05:15:22 AM
Forgive me for reposting this one more time, but this will be the last - the complete list, in its two parts, is:


Set by Sean:
1 - Bach - D minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
2 - Bach - E flat Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
3 - Bach - C minor Cello Suite - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
4 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
5 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
6 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)
7 - Messiaen - Excerpt from Vingt Regards - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg74380.html#msg74380)

Set by Larry:
1 - Bach - B minor Mass 'Quoniam' - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
2 - Nielsen - Sixth Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75450.html#msg75450)
3 - Beethoven - Quartet op 95 - (CS) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
4 - Schumann - Carnaval 'Chopin' - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75518.html#msg75518)
5 - Elgar - Cello Concerto - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
6 - Falla - Harpsichord Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75519.html#msg75519)
7 - Rzewski - The People United... - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
8 - Brahms - G major Sextet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
9 - Berg - Wozzeck Act II interlude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75552.html#msg75552)
10 - Mahler - Ninth Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
11 - Boulez - Le Marteau sans Maitre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
12 - Petterssen - 7th Symphony - (M Forever) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
13 - Carter - SQ 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75669.html#msg75669)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony 15 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
15 - Monteverdi - Orfeo - (Novitiate) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
16 - Elgar - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75671.html#msg75671)
17 - Gorecki - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75716.html#msg75716)
18 - Bizet - Carmen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
19 - Ligeti - Etude 'L'escalier....' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75754.html#msg75754)
20 - Weber - Sonata 2 - (Luke, but I refused to say because I Googled it; Guido was first to identify it) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
21 - Stockhausen - Klavierstucke IX - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
22 - Handel - Orlando - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75755.html#msg75755)
23 - aka 1a - Verdi - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
24 - aka 2a - Wagner - Götterdämmerung - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
25 - aka 3a - Holst - Jupiter - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
26 - aka 4a - Haydn - F minor Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75954.html#msg75954)
27 - aka 5a Liszt - Petrarch Sonnet - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
28 - aka 6a Schoenberg - Pierrot - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75955.html#msg75955)
29 - aka 6 - six samples plus 'what is the link'
    Bach - Double Violin Concerto (Luke)
    Schumann - Davidsbundlertanze - (Luke)
    Mendelssohn - Scottish Symphony - (Luke)
    Tchakovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Luke)
    Webern - Symphony - (Luke)
    Ravel - Tzigane - (Luke)
    Link = all used by Balanchine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76525.html#msg76525)
30 aka 21 - Wolf - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
31 aka 22 - Delius - Irmelin Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
32 aka 23 - Wolf - Der Corregidor - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
33 aka 24  - Crawford Seeger - String Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76711.html#msg76711)
34 aka 25 - Lutoslawski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
35 aka 26 - Goldmark - Rustic Wedding Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
36 aka 27 - Orff - Antigone - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76713.html#msg76713)
37 aka 'Last'! - Bolcom - Songs of Experience - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76793.html#msg76793)
38 aka 41 - Shapero - Symphony for Classical Orchestra - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
39 aka 42 - Machaut - Mass (Credo) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78165.html#msg78165)
40 aka 43 - Rouse - Gorgon - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
41 aka 44 - Beethoven - Merkenstein (duet op 100) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78166.html#msg78166)
42 aka 45 - Markevitch - L'Envol d'Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
43 aka 46 - Markevitch - Icare - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
44 aka 47 - Kupferman - Symphony 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
45 aka 48 - WF Bach - Polonaise in C minor (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79156.html#msg79156)
46 aka 49 - Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
47 aka 50 - Carter - Concerto for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
48 aka 51 - Barraque - Sequence - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)
49 aka 52 - Glass - Akhenaten - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79157.html#msg79157)



and....


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 08, 2008, 05:15:42 AM

Set by Luke:
1 - Martinu - Symphony 6 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75808.html#msg75808)
2 - Tavener - In Alium - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75809.html#msg75809)
3 - Feldman - Why Patterns (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75811.html#msg75811)
4 - Khachaturian - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75812.html#msg75812)
5 - Ferneyhough - Sieben Sterne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75814.html#msg75814)
6 - Schoenberg - Jakobsleiter - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75817.html#msg75817)
7 - Part - If Bach had been a beekeeper - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75896.html#msg75896)
8 - Scelsi - Anahit - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75902.html#msg75902)
9 - Kurtag - Grabstein fur Stephan - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75903.html#msg75903)
10 - Havergal Brian - Gothic Symphony - (Larry 1st by exclamation; Karl 1st by use of English language) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75908.html#msg75908)
11 - Cage - Concerto for Prepared Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75910.html#msg75910)
12 - Xenakis - Oresteia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75913.html#msg75913)
13 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75915.html#msg75915)
14 - Ives - The Housatonic at Stockbridge - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75918.html#msg75918)
15 - Nancarrow - Player piano study (37) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75919.html#msg75919)
16 - Tippett - 3rd Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg75920.html#msg75920)
17 - Villa-Lobos - Bachainas Brasileras 2 (the train one...) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76089.html#msg76089)
18 - Boulez - Le soleil des eaux (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76090.html#msg76090)
19 - Liszt - Dante Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76092.html#msg76092)
20 - Ligeti - Violin Concerto (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76094.html#msg76094)
21 - Nyman - Drowning by NUmbers - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76105.html#msg76105)
22 - Vaughan Williams - Symphony 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76118.html#msg76118)
23 - Dvorak - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76731.html#msg76731)
24 - Finnissy - Red Earth - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76732.html#msg76732)
25 - Varese - Nocturnal - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76733.html#msg76733)
26 - Dvorak - String Quartet op 9 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76735.html#msg76735)
27 - Martin - Mass for double choir - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76736.html#msg76736)
28 - Respighi - Feste Romane - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76738.html#msg76738)
29 - Balakirev - 1st Symphony - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76740.html#msg76740)
30 - Janacek - Suite for Strings - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76743.html#msg76743)
31 - Schnittke - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76746.html#msg76746)
32 - Reger - Mozart Variations - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76750.html#msg76750)
33 - Bernstein - Chichester Psalms - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76754.html#msg76754)
34 - Maxwell Davies - Ressurection - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76756.html#msg76756)
35 - Britten - Nocturnal - (Manuel) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78027.html#msg78027)
36 - Boulez - Rituel - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
37 - Stockhausen - Formulas for Licht - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78034.html#msg78034)
38 - Enescu - Cînt T?cut - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
39 - Cardew - Treatise - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78042.html#msg78042)
40 - Kancheli - Symphony 5 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78045.html#msg78045)
41 - Martinu - Fantasie for Theremin (etc) - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
42 - Partch - Castor and Pollux - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78062.html#msg78062)
43 - Kurtag - from Jatekok - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
44 - Jehan Alain - Fantasie no 2 - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
45 - Rzewski - Coming Together - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
46 - Schnittke - Violin Sonata 2 - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78068.html#msg78068)
47 - Powell - Serebryaniy vek - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
48 - Rihm - Jagden und Formen - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
49 - Takahashi - Sa - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78070.html#msg78070)
50 - Komitas [Vardapet] - Dances - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
51 - [Pavel] Haas - Suite for Oboe and Piano - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79944.html#msg79944)
52 - Burgess - Concertino - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79946.html#msg79946)
53 - Birtwistle - Monody for Corpus Christi - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79947.html#msg79947)
54 - Takemitsu - From Me Flows What You Call Time - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)
55 - Suk - A Summer's Tale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949)
56 - Bryars - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79951.html#msg79951)
57 - Liadov - 8 Russian Folksongs - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79952.html#msg79952)
58 - Schoenberg - op 35/5 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79953.html#msg79953)
59 - Pasternak - Prelude - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
60 - Julian Srciabin - Prelude - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80539.html#msg80539)
61 - Respighi - Violin Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
62 - Milhaud - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
63 - Godowsky - Study after Chopin no 45 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80540.html#msg80540)
64 - Finnissy - Song 9 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
65 - Debussy - Pièce pour le Vêtement du blessé - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
66 - R Strauss - The Castle by the Sea - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80541.html#msg80541)
67 - Satie - Messe des Pauvres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
68 - Korngold - Piano Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg80543.html#msg80543)
69 - Alkan - Concerto for Solo Piano first movement (op 39/8) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668)
70 - Janacek - Mladi - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90669.html#msg90669)
71 - Souster - Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90671.html#msg90671)
72 - Klein - String Trio - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90673.html#msg90673)
73 - Gann - Petty Larceny - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90675.html#msg90675)
74 - Hauer - Zwolftonspiel - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90676.html#msg90676)
75 - Ornstein - Piano Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
76 - Messiaen - Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90684.html#msg90684)
77 - Casella - A la Maniere de Richard Strauss - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92207.html#msg92207)
77 - Delius - Song of the High Hills - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93782.html#msg93782) (sorry about this mistake in numbering - two no 77s!  :-[ )
78 - Roslavetz - Piano Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93785.html#msg93785)
79 - Baird - Erotyki - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93786.html#msg93786)
80 - Barrett - Coigitum - matticus (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93789.html#msg93789)
81 - MacDowell - Sonata Eroica (no 2) - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93790.html#msg93790)
82 - Kapustin - 24 Preludes and Fugues - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93793.html#msg93793)
83 - Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93796.html#msg93796)
84 - Benjamin - At First LIght - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93797.html#msg93797)
85 - Smetana - Macbeth and the Witches - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93798.html#msg93798)
86 - Paderewski - Chants du voyageur - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93800.html#msg93800)
87 - Woolrich - Viola Concerto - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg93809.html#msg93809)
88 - Gerhard - Concerto for Orchestra - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94060.html#msg94060)
89 - Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94063.html#msg94063)
90 - Lutoslawski - Paroles Tissees - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94077.html#msg94077)
91 - Dillon - East 11th St NY 10003 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94080.html#msg94080)
92 - Mahler/Cooke - 10th Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94083.html#msg94083)
93 - Bridge - Piano Sonata - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94084.html#msg94084)
94 - Bolcom - New Etudes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94091.html#msg94091)
95 - Busoni - Second Sonatina - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94096.html#msg94096)
96 - Xenakis - Herma - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94098.html#msg94098)
97 - Sibelius - Luonnotar - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94099.html#msg94099)
98 - Messaien - Des canyons aux etoiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94100.html#msg94100)
99 - Rodney Bennett - Noctuary - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94103.html#msg94103)
100 - Slonimsky - Minitudes - (Larry, pieces revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94105.html#msg94105)
101 - Shostakovich - 4th Symphony - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94108.html#msg94108)
102 - Arnold - 4th Symphony - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94114.html#msg94114)
103 - Panufnik - Autumn Music - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94117.html#msg94117)
104 - Poulence - Sinfonietta - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94123.html#msg94123)
105 - Bartok - Rhapsody - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94124.html#msg94124)
106 - Ferneyhough - Transit - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94125.html#msg94125)
107 - Crumb - Five Pieces for Piano - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94128.html#msg94128)
108 - Britten - Nocturne - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94132.html#msg94132)
109 - Smetana - From Bohemia's Woods and Fields (Ma Vlast) - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94133.html#msg94133)
110 - Skempton - senza licenza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94135.html#msg94135)
111 - Havergal Brian - Fantastic Variations on an Old Rhyme - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94444.html#msg94444)
112 - Finnissy - Romeo and Juliet are Drowning - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94446.html#msg94446)
113 - Britten - War Requiem - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94448.html#msg94448)
114 - Holloway - Romanza - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94449.html#msg94449)
115 - Boulez - Improvisation 2 from Pli seon pli - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94450.html#msg94450)
116 - Ravel - L'heure Espagnol - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94454.html#msg94454)
117 - Tavener - The Whale - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94455.html#msg94455)
119 - Vaughan Williams - Serenade to Music - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94950.html#msg94950)
120 - Schoenberg - Bach arrangement: Komm Gott Schoepfer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94951.html#msg94951)
121 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94952.html#msg94952)
122 - Vaughan Williams - A Sea Symphony - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94953.html#msg94953)
123 - Hindemith - Ludus Tonalis - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94957.html#msg94957)
124 - Strauss - Stimmungsbilder op 9 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94961.html#msg94961)
125 - Walton - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94962.html#msg94962)
126 - Knaifel - Psalm 51 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
127 - Riley - Keyboard Studies - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94967.html#msg94967)
128 - Brahms - Geistliches Lied - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94969.html#msg94969)
129 - Panufnik - Universal Prayer - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
130 - Rusollo - Risveglio di una citta - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94980.html#msg94980)
131 - Brahms - Nänie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94982.html#msg94982)
132 - Enescu - Oedipe - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94987.html#msg94987)
133 - Rawsthorne - Third Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94991.html#msg94991)
134 - Brant - Voyage Four - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94996.html#msg94996)
135 - Cardew - The Great Learning - (revealed by Luke)? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
136 - Maxwell Davies - Eight Songs for a Mad King - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg94997.html#msg94997)
137 - La Monte Young - various Compositions - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95003.html#msg95003)
138 - Nielsen - Violin Concerto - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95004.html#msg95004)
139 - Castelnuovo-Tedesco - Questo fu il carro della morte - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
140 - Grainger - In a Nutshell - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
141 - Obouhow - Le temple est mesure, l'esprit est incarne - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
142 - Medtner - Piano Concerto 3 - (Larry, piece revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95013.html#msg95013)
143 - Glass - Music in Fifths - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
144 - Schuller - Klee Pictures - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95016.html#msg95016)
145 - White - Drinking and Hooting Machine - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
146 - Ligeti - Concert Românesc - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95020.html#msg95020)
147 - Harvey - I love the Lord - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95022.html#msg95022)
148 - Seiber/Dankworth - Improvisations - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95029.html#msg95029)
149 - Ellington - Heaven (from The Sacred Concerts) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95032.html#msg95032)
150 - Cage - from Songbooks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
151 - Maurice Emmanuel - Sonatina Pastorale - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95918.html#msg95918)
152 - Otte - Das Buch der Klang - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95920.html#msg95920)
153 - Adams - Harmonium - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922)
154 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95925.html#msg95925)
155 - Babbitt - Philomel - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95929.html#msg95929)
156 - Mompou - Musica Callada - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95931.html#msg95931)
157 - William Grant Still - Afro-American Symphony - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95933.html#msg95933)
158 - Clara Schumann - op 23/3 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95935.html#msg95935)
159 - Reich - Tehilim - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95936.html#msg95936)
160 - Henze - Royal Winter Music - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95938.html#msg95938)
161 - Webern - Kinderstuck - (Greg arr. Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95939.html#msg95939)
162 - Harrison - Peace Piece - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95940.html#msg95940)
163 - Ades - Arcadiana - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95941.html#msg95941)
164a and 164b (same piece) - Schaffer - Apocalype of St John - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97529.html#msg97529)

Set by Greg:
1 - Corigliano - Symphony 1 - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76310.html#msg76310)
2 - Takemitsu - Distance - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76312.html#msg76312)
3 - Reich - Piano Phase - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76320.html#msg76320)
4 - Ligeti - Viola Sonata - (Edward) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76325.html#msg76325)
5 - Adams - Phrygian Gates - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76328.html#msg76328)
6 - Kagel - String Sextet - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76329.html#msg76329)
7 - Prokofiev - PC 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76348.html#msg76348)
8 - Xenakis - Jonchaies - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76502.html#msg76502)
9 - Debussy - La Mer - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
10 - Norgard - Symphony 6 -(revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76503.html#msg76503)
11 - Takemitsu - Corona - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
12 - Takemitsu - November Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
13 - Webern - Canons op 16 - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
14 - Stravinsky - Soldier's Tale - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77944.html#msg77944)
15 - Lachenmann - Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
16 - Ferneyhough - Lemma-Icon-Epigram - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77945.html#msg77945)
17 - Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques (Partiels) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
18 - Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77946.html#msg77946)
19 - Xenakis - Terretektorh - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77947.html#msg77947)
20 - Xenakis - ATA - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77948.html#msg77948)
21 - Reich - Electric Counterpoint - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
22 - Crumb - Star Child - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
23 - Faure - Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
24 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 13 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg106098.html#msg106098)
25 - Me (Luke) - Paz Songs - (Luke) (don't be daft, Greg!) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
26 - Berg - Violin Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107192.html#msg107192)
27 - Berg - Wozzeck - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
28 - Gubaidulina - Piano sonata - (revealed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107208.html#msg107208)
29 - Delius - Songs of Sunset - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
30 - Ades - Chamber Symphony - (revelaed by Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg107219.html#msg107219)
Set by Guido:
1 - presumably Sorabji - ? Guido doesn't know which - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
2 - Schumann - E flat Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
3 - Ives - first of 114 Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76357.html#msg76357)
4 - Stravinsky - for the five fingers - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76623.html#msg76623)
5 - Barber - Piano Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
6 - Previn - Cello Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
7 - Finzi - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76624.html#msg76624)
8 - Piazzolla - Libertango - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
9 - Bernstein Clarinet Sonata - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
10 - Poulenc - Cello Sonata - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76625.html#msg76625)
11 - Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
12 - Kodaly - Solo Cello Sonata- (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76680.html#msg76680)
13 'buggered up'
14 - Carter - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
15 - Holst - Invocation - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76681.html#msg76681)
16 - Dietrich - 1st mvt of FAE Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
17 - Bloch - Suite for Viola arr. Cello - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76726.html#msg76726)
Couldn't find no. 18...
19 - Ives - Fourth Symphony - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)
20 - really not worth putting up, Guido! This is a little fragment from a larger set by me, this bit in particular called 'A cage went in search of a bird' (from Kafka) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76779.html#msg76779)

Set by Manuel:
1 - Prokofiev - PC 2 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg76423.html#msg76423)
2 - Rzewski - Which Side Are You On - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78030.html#msg78030)
3 - de Beriot - Violin Concerto 9 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)
4 - Wieniawski - Four Etudes (no 2) for Two Violins - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79205.html#msg79205)

Set by Maciek:
1 - Szymanski - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
2- Kilar - Piano Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
3 - Lutoslawski - Paganini Variations - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77220.html#msg77220)
4 - Szymanowski - 4th Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
5 - Serocki - Fort e piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg77221.html#msg77221)
6 - Meyer - SQ 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
7 - Zarebski - Piano Quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
8 - Penderecki - String Quartet 1 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
9 - Chopin - Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
10 - Gorecki - Genesis I - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg78087.html#msg78087)
11 - Vidmantas Bartulis - I Like F.Schubert. Quintetto C Maj op.163 Adagio - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
12 - Bronius Kutavičius - Last Pagan Rites - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
13 - Onutė Narbutaitė - Autumn Ritornello. Hommage à Fryderyk - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
14 - Bacevius - Vision - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
15 - Loreta Narvilaitė - Butterfly - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92752.html#msg92752)
16 - Moniuszko - Rybka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
17 - Kilar - Angelus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
18 - Baird - Voices From Afar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
19 - Szymanowski - 6 Kurpain Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
20 - Penderecki - Song of the Cherubim - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92760.html#msg92760)
21 - Cage - Bacchanale - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
22 - Ives - Song Without (Good) Words - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
23 - Cowell - Banshee - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
24 - Crumb - Processional - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92765.html#msg92765)
25 - Bartok - Bagatelle no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
26 - Zarebski - Les Roses et Les Epines - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg92766.html#msg92766)
27 - Symanowksi - Prelude from op 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115465.html#msg115465)
28 - Messaien - Prelude 'La colombe' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115466.html#msg115466)
29 - Kabalevsky - Prelude - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115467.html#msg115467)
30 - Statkowski - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115468.html#msg115468)
31 - Ravel - Prelude - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115470.html#msg115470)
32 - Kilar - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115471.html#msg115471)
33 - T. Sikorski - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115472.html#msg115472)
34 - Gorecki - Prelude - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115473.html#msg115473)
35 - Ciurlionis - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115474.html#msg115474)
36 - Knittel - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115475.html#msg115475)
37 - Rekasius - Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115477.html#msg115477)
38 - Shostakovich - F# minor Prelude from Preludes and Fugues - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115478.html#msg115478)
39 - Moniuszko - Spinning Girl - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
40 - Schubert - Gretchen - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
41 - Mendelssohnn - 'Spinning' Song Without Words  - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
42 - Wagner - Spinning chorus (Flying Dutchman) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
43 - Moniuszko/Melcer - Spinning Girl - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115677.html#msg115677)
44 - Moniuszko - Znasz-li ten kraj - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
45 - Beethoven - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
46 - Schumann - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
47 - Moniuszko - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
48 - Schubert - Kennst du das Land - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115678.html#msg115678)
49 - Chopin - 'Drinking Song' - (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
50 - Moniuszko - Drinking Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115679.html#msg115679)
51 - Moniuszko - Spring - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
52 - Chopin - 'Spring' (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115680.html#msg115680)
53 - Chopin - 'My Darling'  (from op 74) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
54 - Moniuszko - My Darling - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
55 - Chopin arr. Liszt - My Darling - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg115681.html#msg115681)
56 - Szymanowski - Romantic Waltz - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116224.html#msg116224)
57 - Szymanowski - Agawe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116225.html#msg116225)
58 - Szymanowski - Demeter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116226.html#msg116226)
59 - Szymanowski - Four Polish Dances (no 2) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116227.html#msg116227)
60 - Szymanowski - Third Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116228.html#msg116228)
61 - Szymanowski - Masques - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116230.html#msg116230)
62 - Szymanowski - op 4 Etudes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116231.html#msg116231)
63 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116232.html#msg116232)
64 - Szymanowski - Stabat Mater - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116235.html#msg116235)
65 - Szymanowski - Violin Concerto 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg116236.html#msg116236)
66 - Baird - Variations with no Theme - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
67 - Bacewicz - Pensiere Notturni - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
68 - Lutoslawski - Mi-Parti - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
69 - Penderecki - The Dream of Jacob - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
70 - Zielinska - Little Atrophic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119182.html#msg119182)
71 - Mykietyn - Piano Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
72 - Penderecki - Stabat Mater - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
73 - Baird - Psychodrama - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
74 - Lutoslawski - Invention - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
75 - Bacewicz - Oberek - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119184.html#msg119184)
76 - Penderecki - Dies Irae - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
77 - Baird - Tomorrow - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
78 - Bacewicz - Rondino - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
79 - A. Bloch - Anenaiki - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
80 - Lutoslawski - Jeux venetiens - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119185.html#msg119185)
81 - Lutoslawski - Livre - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
82 - Penderecki - Polish Requiem (Lacrimosa) - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
83 - Baird - Goethe-Briefe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
84 - Meyer - Musica Incrostata - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
85 - Bacewicz - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119187.html#msg119187)
86 - Bacewicz - Concerto for String Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
87 - Gorecki - Harpsichord Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
88 - Penderecki - Polymorphia - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
89 - Lutoslawski - Partita - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)
90 - Baird - Scenes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg119188.html#msg119188)

Set by Steve:
1 - Stamp - String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89321.html#msg89321)
2 - Bartok - String Quartet 4 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
3 - Falla - Homenaje a Debussy - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89322.html#msg89322)
4 - Webern - op 10 Pieces - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89341.html#msg89341)
5 - Stravinsky - Rite of Spring - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89352.html#msg89352)
6 - Coltrane - Giant Steps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89361.html#msg89361)
7 - Albeniz - Suite Espanola (Sevilla) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
8 - Falla - Three Cornered Hat (Corregidor Dance) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
9 - Scarlatti - Sonata S3/K513 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89380.html#msg89380)
10 - Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
11 - Cordier - Belle, Bonne, Sage - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg89917.html#msg89917)
12 - Stravinsky - Octet - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90602.html#msg90602)
13 - Brouwer - La Espiral eterna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90603.html#msg90603)
14 - Carter - Changes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90604.html#msg90604)
15 - Smith Brindle - El polifemo de oro - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90605.html#msg90605)
16 - Takemitsu - Folios - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90606.html#msg90606)
17 - Tippett - The Blue Guitar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90727.html#msg90727)
18 - Ponce - Sonata Meridional - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90728.html#msg90728)
19 - Liszt - Nuages Gris - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90729.html#msg90729)
20 - Bach - Fugue  BWV 997 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90730.html#msg90730)
21 - Bach - Cantata BWV 21 - (Larry) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90731.html#msg90731)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 08, 2008, 05:45:39 AM
I like that list. Except maybe for one very little qualm but it's nothing serious: I find that Polish composers are slightly underrepresented... What do you think? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 08, 2008, 05:56:33 AM
Too many Lithuanian composers pushing them out, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 08, 2008, 06:14:01 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 08, 2008, 05:45:39 AM
I like that list. Except maybe for one very little qualm but it's nothing serious: I find that Polish composers are slightly underrepresented... What do you think? ;D
yeah, man..... just noticed that, too. Can't believe us! Bad us!

so are we going to wait until the PDF version of this thread to start with the 2nd game? (or just start right away)?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 10, 2008, 06:36:10 AM
I'm in the process of doing just that, Greg, though I don't know how big the file will turn out to be - pretty huge, it seems. But on my trawl through the thread, I've come across a couple of lines from a certain Pole which I find quite amusing in retrospect, given his eventual set of 90 score samples:

Quote from: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 12:44:26 PM
I've got no more than 20-30 scores at home myself (well, not counting piano, of course ;D), and they all come from the same publisher. And I've seen maybe 10 more in my entire life... :-[

and, after he'd set only five of them:

Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 03:16:38 AM
BTW, I promise: no more Polish music from me!

and a little later the hilarious:

Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 12:12:04 PM
I'm going by the one-piece-per-composer rule. ;D

;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 10, 2008, 03:47:27 PM
OK, guys, how's this (http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/7e9d008e-de82-4a3d-8291-e59d1e53c2a9)? - 33 MB of pure scorey goodness!

Apologies in advance for any errors in this.  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 10, 2008, 03:53:14 PM
...I'm already seeing the misprints....  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 11, 2008, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 10, 2008, 03:47:27 PM
OK, guys, how's this (http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/7e9d008e-de82-4a3d-8291-e59d1e53c2a9)? - 33 MB of pure scorey goodness!

Apologies in advance for any errors in this.  :)
every time i click the link, it takes me to the sign-in page, even if i'm already signed in.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 12:15:57 PM
OK, sorry, I'm not sure how esnips works from your point of view, only from mine as the uploader. Any other links on the page you get to? You need to go to my 'other stuff' folder.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on January 11, 2008, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 12:15:57 PM
OK, sorry, I'm not sure how esnips works from your point of view, only from mine as the uploader. Any other links on the page you get to? You need to go to my 'other stuff' folder.
sorry, Luke, but it doesn't take me anywhere else if i do what you say...... would having you as a 'friend' possibly help?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 01:21:47 PM
I can attest that it certainly doesn't hurt... 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 01:22:15 PM
Actually - I downloaded the file without any problems. Thanks for this, Luke! :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 01:28:42 PM
And just finished "leafing" through it (virtually) for the first time. Luke, this is beautifully done, and obviously it was a lot of hard work. Thank you so much once again! You deserve some sort of gilded score printing press or gold medal. At least.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 01:37:18 PM
I'm just a little ashamed of the mis-spelt Messiaen and the place where the name of one score appears on the next page! But thanks - it took quite a long time, but it was fun going through the whole thread again.

Greg, if Maciek has managed to download it then, yes, I imagine making me your 'friend' would help. Alternatively, perhaps he or someone else who has got hold of it would like to upload it somewhere easier-to-get-at.
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Post by: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 10, 2008, 06:36:10 AM
I'm in the process of doing just that, Greg, though I don't know how big the file will turn out to be - pretty huge, it seems. But on my trawl through the thread, I've come across a couple of lines from a certain Pole which I find quite amusing in retrospect, given his eventual set of 90 score samples:

and, after he'd set only five of them:

and a little later the hilarious:

;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D ;D >:D

Well, you've embarrassed me :-[ and now I've gone and actually done a quick count. And the real figure would be about 40-60. So I wasn't that far off the mark. 0:) Anyway, many of mine where either taken from the internet (some of the Lithuanian ones), or taken from books (where they were put as examples), or promotional materials (the Kilar PC!) etc. Also - sometimes there is more than one piece in a single volume. Eg. my nos 57, 58 and 64 all come from one and the same volume.

There, that's cleared up now. ;D

(BTW, I love the comment "more Szymanowski than you can shake a stick at" LOL! :))

Incidentally, there's a pattern I forgot to point out in my nos 66-90, and I remembered about it now: in each set of 5 scores there's one by Bacewicz, one by Baird, one by Lutoslawski, one by Penderecki + each time one by a different (Polish :P) composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 01:40:41 PM
Incidentally, there's a pattern I forgot to point out in my nos 66-90, and I remembered about it now: in each set of 5 scores there's one by Bacewicz, one by Baird, one by Lutoslawski, one by Penderecki + each time one by a different (Polish :P) composer.

That's one I never spotted!

So, do we have any preferences? Continue the thread :) ;D 8) ? Start a new one :-\ ? Let the game die  :o :( :'( ? (my smileys show where my feelings lie!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 01:45:48 PM
Continue the thread :) ;D 8)

My feelings exactly!




Greg, here's a link to the score pdf on mediafire:
http://www.mediafire.com/?4zxnznzjdql (http://www.mediafire.com/?4zxnznzjdql)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 11, 2008, 02:26:40 PM
I didn't participate because I found this thread way too late. But it was fun lurking. And several scores I recognized immediately that took you guys quite long (Delius, Brian (of course)), but with many many others I was simply hopeless.

I should say - go on!

(Hello, Maciek!)
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Post by: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
Hello, Johan, you lurker, you! ;)
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Post by: greg on January 11, 2008, 03:43:37 PM
nicely done, Luke! Congratulations and thanks for the slave labor  ;)

now, shall we contine on?  8)
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 03:57:22 PM
Are you sure? I'm ready to go when you are.

Last time round, I got the feeling some people thought the scores were getting a little too obscure - to me, tracking down obscure stuff is great fun, but I can see how others would prefer to work with scores which are more immediately guessable. So to start with I've prepared quite a few samples by composers who are all counted among 'the greats' - composers you would find in most sensible people's 'top 100' list, in many cases very high up it or even at the top. To keep it interesting I haven't always gone for their best known works, but nor have I been willfully obscure.

OK, here goes:

LO 165
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LO 166
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LO 167
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LO 168
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LO 169
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LO 170
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LO 171
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LO 172
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LO 173

This is only part of the score here - the page is so overloaded that these parts have to be written separately
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LO 174
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LO 175
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LO 176
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LO 177
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LO 178
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LO 179
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LO 180
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LO 181
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LO 182
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LO 183
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 04:15:12 PM
LO 184
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 04:16:12 PM
(One more for now - dozens more ready if wanted!)

LO 185
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 11, 2008, 04:17:24 PM
(sorry, mistake - this is the last one, for reasons which are obvious if you know it)

LO 186
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Post by: greg on January 11, 2008, 04:27:29 PM
is L0185 a Schnittke SQ?
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 11, 2008, 05:45:08 PM
LO 173 is from the final scene of Wagner's Das Rheingold, the 6 harp parts that couldn't even be fit in the same system with the rest of the orchestra, and had to be printed in a separate appendix to the score.
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 11, 2008, 05:48:19 PM
LO 174 is from the Stravinsky Mass.
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 11, 2008, 05:50:15 PM
LO 175 is from Tapiola by Sibelius. (What a great moment in the piece it is!)
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 11, 2008, 05:55:03 PM
LO 180 is from Scriabin's Prometheus. What other score has a part for "Luce"?
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 11, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
LO 182 is from the Gershwin Piano Concerto, in the first movement, leading up to the climax.
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Post by: matticus on January 11, 2008, 06:03:28 PM
Is 186 the 3rd movement of Ligeti's 2nd quartet?
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Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 11, 2008, 11:38:52 PM
LO 177 - Berlioz, Carnaval Romain.
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 03:48:10 AM
These are all correct, with the exception of Greg's Schnittke guess for 185, which is however a pretty good guess. The composer is just as well known, if not more so.

Told you these would prove no problem!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 03:51:12 AM
Don't forget there are some on page 78 too, which are probably equally straightforward. They haven't been viewed as much, so I'm guessing not everyone who looked at page 79 has seen them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 04:29:50 AM
Here are some more.

These ones have a Maciek-like theme (nothing fancy) and there is a recurrent composer, one of my very favourites.

LO 187
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LO 188
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LO 189
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LO 190
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LO 191
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LO 192
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LO 193
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 04:35:53 AM
LO 194
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 04:36:41 AM
(a little titular help on the next two)

LO 195
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LO 196
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 04:38:25 AM
LO 197
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 04:39:07 AM
Last one of this set.

LO 198
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Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 12, 2008, 04:43:43 AM
LO 189 - Elgar, Cockaigne
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 04:47:17 AM
Correct!

I like those little pointing fingers Elgar marks in the brass parts where he allows for optional doublings...
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 12, 2008, 05:25:04 AM
LO 190 is the slow movement of Tippett's Triple Concerto, one of my favorites of his orchestral works.
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 12, 2008, 05:28:01 AM
LO 192 is also Tippett. It's the slow movement of the First Symphony.
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 05:30:18 AM
Both correct - the symphony one is quite hard, I think, I'm impressed it's gone already. I agree about the Triple Concerto - a wonderful piece, and this slow movement in particular is utterly ravishing.
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 12, 2008, 05:32:26 AM
LO 197 is Sosostris' Aria from Tippett's Midsummer Marriage
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 05:33:19 AM
Yes. Spotting a Tippett-ine theme here? There are two more....
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Post by: Mark G. Simon on January 12, 2008, 05:47:19 AM
They must be early works that I am not familiar with.

But I'll take a guess that LO 191 is from Tippett's Fantasia on a Theme by Handel.
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 05:52:56 AM
No, it's not. But I'm sure you know these works, they are among his best known.
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 06:41:20 AM
Four more whilst I'm here....

LO 199
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LO 200
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 06:45:27 AM
LO 201

As you will probably notice, this is a jazz transcription. I need the name of the performer being transcribed above all (name of piece too, if you can get it)
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 06:46:08 AM
LO 202
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 12, 2008, 07:08:47 AM
Might as well start a new list:

Set by Luke:

165 Schubert - Symphony 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 Brahms - Serenade 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder Waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 Liszt - Totentanz - (Jezetha) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 Debussy - Danses Sacree et Profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Jezetha) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 Ligeti - String Quartet 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Jezetha) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 Tippett - Fantasia Concertante on a theme by Corelli - (Jezetha) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 Elgar - Cockaigne - (Jezetha) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 Rubbra - Variations/Fugue on theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 Tippett - Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 Lutoslawski - 2 Etudes (no 2) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on January 12, 2008, 05:31:10 PM
LO196 Le Poisson d'Or is by Lord Berners.
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 13, 2008, 12:15:11 AM
Yes, it is - good work
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 02:32:38 AM
Well, that seems to have petered out quite quickly!  ;D Clues?

165 - last movement of an early symphony by an extremely famous composer. This is his first appearance on the thread Identified - Schubert's 4th Symhpony
166 - first movement of an early quasi-symphony by an extremely famous composer. This is not his first appearance on the thread, nor even his second, and he also appears later in this new set of scores (one of the ones which hasn't been guessed yet, so with clues below). Identified - Brahms's Serenade 1
167 - I chose this page because it has a rare example of early use of quartertones. They don't appear anywhere else in this piece, which is better known in its suite form, in which this page doesn't appear. Oh yes - extremely famous composer, who has been on this thread before.
168 - a choral piece, with the choir accompanied by a unique instrumental combination. One aspect of the notation of the upper of the two instruments is unusual and slightly misleading. Extremely famous composer, who has been on the thread before.
169 - what we see here is slightly misleading, in that you are not seeing the full complement of instruments. An extremely famous composer. Possibly the most famous of all, in fact, but for some reason not on this thread till now! Identified - Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante for oboe, clarinet, horn and bassoon
170 - superficially this has a similar look to 168, but actually the instrumental accompaniment to the vocal parts is entirely different. The metric notation is interesting here, if you know the work. Extremely famous composer. Identified - Brahms Neue Libeslieder
171 - [my favourite] part of a quasi-piano concerto by an EFC (extremely famous composer - actually they all are, so I'll stop saying it now!). The melodic line at the very beginning of the page should tell you what the piece is. (On second thoughts, it could reduce the number to two, possibly, though you will know which of the two it is). As far as I remember, this composer hasn't been on this thread yet. Identified despite my mistake - Liszt Totentanz
172 - great lieder writer; this is indeed a song, related to an extremely famous cycle. I don't think this composer has been on the thread yet, but I might be wrong. Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam
176 - Look at the instrumentation. Two movement piece, a fact reflected in the title,this is the end of the first movement. Composer appears in this sequence of scores twice, but isn't the same composer as 166. Has been on the thread before. Debussy - Danse sacree et dance profane
178 - I've talked about this piece recently. It is tempting to give a facetious GMG in-joke kind of clue, but I won't. This is the end of an absolutely extraordinary few minutes of music, IMO. Debussy - Pelleas
179 - of all the great composers, this one may well be the least-discussed on GMG. He hasn't been on this thread yet, obviously.
181 - first time on the thread for this composer, this piece shares a vague formal similarity to 171, reflected in the title.
183 - the hugeness of the piano part here (this is part of its entrance) gives an idea of the scale of this work. Second time on thread for this composer, I think.
184 - much earlier on this thread I posted a piece with a specific similarity to this one. Larry got it, in the end, but by lateral thinking rather than recognition, as he didn't think a huge amount of its composer. As for this one, its composer hasn't been on this thread yet.
185 - whoever got 186 ought to get this one too. This composer has appeared on this thread quite a few times, and is in this particular set of scores too.


Clues for the next sequences (186-202) later
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 15, 2008, 03:36:28 AM
I saw the Dies Irae. It must be Rachmaninov, then?

171 - Rachmaninov, Variations on a Theme by Paganini
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 03:48:53 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on January 15, 2008, 03:36:28 AM
I saw the Dies Irae. It must be Rachmaninov, then?

171 - Rachmaninov, Variations on a Theme by Paganini

I refer you to my clue - whilst I wrote it I realised that following this line of enquiry could lead you Rachmaninov-wards, which uis why I wrote the bit in brackets:

Quote171 - The melodic line at the very beginning of the page should tell you what the piece is. (On second thoughts, it could reduce the number to two, possibly, though you will know which of the two it is).

So, no, it's not the Rachmaninov, it's the other famous set of piano-and-orchestra-variations-which-use-the-Dies-Irae! - and I'm sure you do know it, it just hasn't sprung to mind yet.
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Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 15, 2008, 03:54:19 AM
171 - Liszt, Totentanz
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Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 03:56:46 AM
That's the bunny.  :)
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Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:00:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 02:32:38 AM
171 - As far as I remember, this composer hasn't been on this thread yet.

I hereby deduce 3 (three!) points from your total score, Luke, for planting misleading, nay, outright false! clues. $:)

And using the "AFAIR" formula is no excuse. $:) $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:02:00 AM
I'll try to play too. 202 is from the ending of Hansel and Gretel by Humperdinck.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:02:43 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:00:07 AM
I hereby deduce 3 (three!) points from your total score, Luke, for planting misleading, nay, outright false! clues. $:)

And using the "AFAIR" formula is no excuse. $:) $:)

Oh yes, you had something didn't you. And so did Larry, now I think about it - one of the Petrach Sonnets. Ah well, I did my best.

I'm subtracting from you too, for not getting the Polish one straight away.  ;D Oops, did I drop a clue there...

It's not among those I just gave clues for, btw.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:04:21 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:02:00 AM
I'll try to play too. 202 is from the ending of Hansel and Gretel by Humperdinck.

Not the ending - the climax of the dream-pantomime actually, towards the end of Act I - but yes, that's the piece. It might be just me, but this particular climax is extraordinarily effective, don't you think?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 15, 2008, 04:06:42 AM
There is a 'Mannheim Rocket' in 165. A name that pops up is Stamitz, but he's not extremely famous. So 165 could be either Haydn or Mozart (Beethoven uses it too, of course, at the start of his career). That is as far as I can come.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:07:42 AM
Ah, you know how to taunt me, don't you, Luke? Very well, I shall take a look at this thread then... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:09:14 AM
Jez - None of those. Somewhat later than the last of them. This is a fairly early work, remember.

Maciek - taunt? moi?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 15, 2008, 04:15:23 AM
Last try: it's early Schubert. But I don't know the work in question.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:17:40 AM
Jez - correct. It's a symphony, as I said already, so the key might help you.


Just to be entirely straight, I would add a small rider to my clues above - 'extremely famous' is quite a large category, and I suppose it extends from Bach, Mozart Beethoven etc. right down to those who 99% of classical listeners will know at least by name, someone of the fame level of, say, Poulenc or Hindemith (neither of these two are amongst the composers here, btw). Most of the composer of those I've given clues to above fit into the top end of this category, but a couple come slightly lower down the list (e.g. 183 and 184). Still, those who frequent this thread will certainly know these two composers, and probably these specific pieces too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:04:21 AM
Not the ending - the climax of the dream-pantomime actually, towards the end of Act I - but yes, that's the piece. It might be just me, but this particular climax is extraordinarily effective, don't you think?

Close enough for credit, no? I have always thought Mahler had this work in his mind when writing the finale of #3. A few others I can get right now, more or less - some more securely than others:

165 is from the finale of Schubert's 4th symphony, the Tragic.
166 is from the Brahms Serenade in D.
169 - wouldn't be surprised if this is from a sinfonia concertante by Haydn, but the one I know is in Bb.
170 - looks Brahmsian, but I can't place it.
172 - this is Schumann, the song about the rolling wheel that was originally part of the Dichterliebe.
178 - this is the end of Act 4 of Debussy's Pelleas et Melisande.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:19:51 AM
,,,ah, and before Maciek points it out, I've just remembered that he set a Schubert piece before too.   :-[ :-[

So if I were you, I'd ignore the parts of my clues which mention how many times the composer has appeared already! My memory is failing me today....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:22:24 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
Close enough for credit, no?

Of course - you identified the piece, after all!

Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
165 is from the finale of Schubert's 4th symphony, the Tragic.
Yes
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
166 is from the Brahms Serenade in D.
Yes
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
169 - wouldn't be surprised if this is from a sinfonia concertante by Haydn, but the one I know is in Bb.
No, but very close. Even more famous composer!
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
170 - looks Brahmsian, but I can't place it.
Yes - and I'm sure you can. Think of the instrumentation...
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM
172 - this is Schumann, the song about the rolling wheel that was originally part of the Dichterliebe.
Yes
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:19:17 AM178 - this is the end of Act 4 of Debussy's Pelleas et Melisande.
Yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:26:55 AM
Well, obviously it has to be Szymanowski's 2nd Symphony (the finale).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:29:48 AM
It would be if I had that score, but as I don't, no, it isn't. Which one, btw? Remember, this one is one of the later scores I added, not the ones I gave clues to earlier.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:31:04 AM
Did you mean no 200? No, that one is reserved for taunting Guido, not you.....  ;D

(I'm not really trying to taunt, you know.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:31:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:22:24 AM
Of course - you identified the piece, after all!
YesYesNo, but very close. Even more famous composer!Yes - and I'm sure you can. Think of the instrumentation...YesYes

If it's not Haydn, it's got to be Mozart.

The Brahms could be from the Liebeslieder waltzes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:35:20 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:29:48 AM
It would be if I had that score, but as I don't, no, it isn't. Which one, btw? Remember, this one is one of the later scores I added, not the ones I gave clues to earlier.

Oh, blast! ;D I thought I'd take a blind shot - no specific score in mind. I'm currently running around the house doing 3-4 things at the same time and simply can't sit down for long enough to take a look at the scores. Not just yet...

(Unfortunately, don't own that one either... :-\ :'( :'( :'()
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:36:05 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:31:33 AM
If it's not Haydn, it's got to be Mozart.

The Brahms could be from the Liebeslieder waltzes.

Both correct. The Brahms is from the second set (Neue Liebeslieder...). It's the last one, a Goethe setting, where Brahms sublimates the waltz metre, broadening it out into 9/4. But the ghost of the basic 3/4 still exists in the dotted barlines with which he subdivides the vocal parts.

The Mozart piece? You were right before, actually, just the wrong composer!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:46:13 AM
195 Rubbra - Prelude and Fugue on a Theme by Cyril Scott?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:48:59 AM
Bloody hell - fantastic! Did I leave in a stupid clue, or are you in fact a genius?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:53:08 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on January 15, 2008, 04:31:33 AM
The Brahms could be from the Liebeslieder waltzes.

Just for fun, and because it is relatively little-known and lovely, Brahms in his resigned, lyrical, nostalgic mode, here it is - the last of the Neue Liebeslieder Waltzes, setting Goethe's Zum Schluss. In reduced quality, of course... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:55:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:48:59 AM
Bloody hell - fantastic! Did I leave in a stupid clue, or are you in fact a genius?

Well, I am of course a genius but in this case it has nothing to do with that. ;D

199 Lutoslawski's 2nd Study/Etude (which is the more standard English term really?). Don't know this very well but had an inkling I had seen it. The only recording I have is a bit boring (or I haven't "discovered" the excitement yet ;D) and the piece looks bloody difficult - I've never even tried to play a single note!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:58:14 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:55:43 AM
Well, I am of course a genius but in this case it has nothing to do with that. ;D

;D

Quote from: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 04:55:43 AM
199 Lutoslawski's 2nd Study/Etude (which is the more standard English term really?). Don't know this very well but had an inkling I had seen it. The only recording I have is a bit boring (or I haven't "discovered" the excitement yet ;D) and the piece looks bloody difficult - I've never even tried to play a single note!

Nor have I....well, I think I played through the first one once, but wasn't hooked enough to continue on to no 2! I think this is his 'op 1' isn't it?

You can now retire, Polish pride retained....

(although I'd rather you didn't)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 05:09:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 04:58:14 AM
;D

Nor have I....well, I think I played through the first one once, but wasn't hooked enough to continue on to no 2! I think this is his 'op 1' isn't it?

Hm, could be. Let me check...

Nope, actually his recently published (was that last year?) Piano Sonata seems to be his first piece still in existence (it's from 1934). Then come the Symphonic Variations (1936-8 and that was his debut public performance, IIRC - I just remembered that). Then there's the Lacrimosa (1937 - it was performed at his funeral, again: IIRC). So these two pieces would come as number 4 (1940-41). But there's no telling if he hadn't written something in between anyway - so many of his scores perished during WWII! (I don't think he ever used opus numbering anyway...)

BTW, last week I discovered that Naxos liner notes (at least the ones to Lutoslawski's 1st Symphony disc), are not an original text plus 2 translations: they are actually 3 different texts with different authors, written in English, French and German! That was quite a shock! Does everyone already know this or did I just discover something new?

Quote
Polish pride retained....

It's not as easy as it sounds. ;D

Quote
(although I'd rather you didn't)

It's still my favorite thread - just a very time-consuming one. So I sometimes intentionally stay away. 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 05:14:53 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 05:09:43 AM
Hm, could be. Let me check...

Nope, actually his recently published (was that last year?) Piano Sonata seems to be his first piece still in existence (it's from 1934). Then come the Symphonic Variations (1936-8 and that was his debut public performance, IIRC - I just remembered that). Then there's the Lacrimosa (1937 - it was performed at his funeral, again: IIRC). So these two piece would come as number 4 (1940-41). But there's no telling if he hadn't written something in between anyway - so many of his scores perished during WWII! (I don't think he ever used opus numbering anyway...)

Yes, I didn't mean an actual opus 1 (which is why I used ''s), but I thought I'd read somewhere (can't remember where, but then for some reason I've been reading a lot about Polish composers recently  ;D ;D ;D ;D) that this was his first published work, or first acknowledged work, or something of that ilk. Something basically = to an op 1.

Quote from: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 05:09:43 AMBTW, last week I discovered that Naxos liner notes (at least the ones to Lutoslawski's 1st Symphony disc), are not an original text plus 2 translations: they are actually 3 different texts with different authors, written in English, French and German! That was quite a shock! Does everyone already know this or did I just discover something new?

It depends on the disc; they do it quite often, I'm not sure why (could it be something to do with copyright?). Often, too, the second and third notes are the first ones but reduced in information content.

Quote from: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 05:09:43 AMIt's still my favorite thread - just a very time-consuming one. So I sometimes intentionally stay away. 0:)

I'm not quite sure that's allowed  $:) $:) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on January 15, 2008, 12:12:04 PM
no.200 is there to taunt me? hmm... I'm assuming that means its a cello work, but none of the solo part is visible so I'll have to think. My immediate thought was Schelomo by Bloch with all those surging and highly chromatic runs... But this is just a first impression... I believe that Schelomo has a harp and a celeste part so this fits too...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 12:13:51 PM
Go with your first impression - it hasn't let you down!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on January 15, 2008, 12:15:57 PM
Guido Gatti wrote of Schelomo,


QuoteThe violoncello, with its ample breadth of phrasing, now melodic and with moments of superb lyricism, now declamatory and with robustly dramatic lights and shades, lends itself to a reincarnation of Solomon in all his glory. The violoncello part is of so remarkably convincing and emotional power that it may be set down as a veritable masterpiece; not one passage, not a single beat, is inexpressive; the entire discourse of the soloist, vocal rather than instrumental, seems like musical expression intimately conjoined with the Talmudic prose.

which neatly summarises my own feelings about this piece too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 12:17:41 PM
That's very nice - thanks for that. It is, indeed, in its way and on its own terms, a 'perfect piece', as much as that can be possible, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on January 15, 2008, 12:22:29 PM
QuoteThat's very nice - thanks for that. It is, indeed, in its way and on its own terms, a 'perfect piece', as much as that can be possible, isn't it?

Yes, I agree completely. I wish I could add to Guido Gatti's commentary and wax on about it, but I think he has it there perfectly - it's just what music is meant to be like! I think Sean would aprove of it wholeheartedly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 16, 2008, 12:34:34 PM
Clues to the first lot of my remaining ones. Remember there is a link between these pieces, but only of the Maciek type; also remember, as unearthed by Mark, that two [one now] of these pieces are by Tippett:

187 - the composer is very well known, but above all for one piece, one of the most popular works in the repertoire. One feature of his writing, which is evident in the first and last pieces of the very famous piece, is also evident here. Holst - The Perfect Fool

188 - this fugue is based on a complex set of relationships between three composers - the subject is by one, and the two countersubjects are by two others, one of whom is the composer of the work as a whole.
Tippett - Fantasia Concertante on a theme by Corelli

191 - this is not Tippett, as Mark guessed. It is a piano concerto, one of my favourites, and often compared to Ravel's G major Concerto. The extract given is most of the piano's first music in the second movement, and I chose it because it contains many of this composer's idiosyncratic harmonic fingerprints.

193 - a composer not noted for his piano music, this is the most interesting of his three or four pieces for the instrument that I know of. Again, there are some harmonic fingerprints associated with this composer here.

194 - this may be the best known piece of this selection, so I won't give any extra clues.

198 - from this composer most famous work, written in memory of his son.
Howells, Hymnus Paradisi

I have a couple un-clued ones more remaining, I think; I'll give clues to them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on January 16, 2008, 04:44:06 PM
LO198 is the last movement of Howells Hymnus Paradisi - the fact it was written in memory of his son (like the unfinished cello concerto) and that distinctive trumpet line... astonishing piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on January 16, 2008, 04:55:43 PM
LO 187 - The Planets by Holst? 7/8 time signature is often used in his works wich is the same clue as I gave for my Holst piece, so I'll try that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 16, 2008, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 15, 2008, 02:32:38 AM
176 - Look at the instrumentation. Two movement piece, a fact reflected in the title,this is the end of the first movement. Composer appears in this sequence of scores twice, but isn't the same composer as 166. Has been on the thread before.

Danses sacrée et profane by Debussy, I believe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 16, 2008, 11:08:35 PM
The Howells and the Debussy correct; the other one is Holst, Guido, but I only said it had a similarity to the composer's most famous work, so it's not The Planets. The similarity I had in mind, among other things, is indeed the irregular time sig.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 16, 2008, 11:34:59 PM
LO 187 - Holst, The Perfect Fool

I think I overlooked that one... this piece is one of my Holst favourites! I first heard it in 1984 on the World Service (Holst Delius Elgar year), under Boult (still the best performance IMO).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 17, 2008, 01:55:46 AM
That's correct - this is the beginning of the Dance of the Spirits of Earth, IIRC (I scrubbed out the name!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 17, 2008, 02:05:02 AM
LO 188 - Tippett, Fantasia Concertante on a theme by Corelli
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 17, 2008, 04:08:39 AM
Excellent. In the fugue, whose beginning is shown in my score sample, Tippett uses a different Corelli piece than the rest of the Fantasia, one which had been used by Bach as the basis for a fugue - so we have a subject by Corelli, one counter-subject by Bach, and one by Tippett himself. Meirion Bowen points out that

Quote from: Meirion Boweninitially, it counterpoises three types of string bowing: lyrical on-the-string bowing for the second violas playing the Corelli theme; off-the-string for the first violas playing Tippett's counter-subject; and, for the cellos playing Bach's counter-subject, loure bowing

He goes on to make a case for the work against those who might see it as running counter to the tedious. limiting and simplistic idea of Hegelian, teleological, one-way 'progress' in music:

Quote from: Meirion BowenRoughly contemporary with Boulez's Le Marteau sans Maitre (1952-4) and Stockhausen's Kontrapunkte no 1 (1952), Tippett's Corelli Fantasia might seem by comparison to be the ultimate in backward-looking nostalgia. It is nothing of the kind. This is a score which deals with essences, with artistic values that remain unaffected from one century to another: and as such, a paean to the art of instrumental lyricism, springing from the very nature of stringed instruments, as understood by Corelli, as understood now. When realised with sensitivity to style, the Corelli Fantasia communicates a rapture and perfection rare in music: and it remains one of the composer's exceptional achievements/
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 17, 2008, 04:28:01 AM
Great quote! The whole idea of progress is just too narrow. I'm only now starting to listen to Schnittke, and what I find fascinating about him is the juxtaposition of musical styles. I like that enormously. I am a writer, and my style too moves from biblical elevation, through Baroque complexity, to the rhythms of rap. Every one of us is layered time. And so is art.

Btw - the Corelli Fantasia under Marriner is my favourite recording. I prefer it to the one by Tippett himself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 17, 2008, 04:35:43 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on January 17, 2008, 04:28:01 AM
Great quote! The whole idea of progress is just too narrow. I'm only now starting to listen to Schnittke, and what I find fascinating about him is the juxtaposition of musical styles. I like that enormously. I am a writer, and my style too moves from biblical elevation, through Baroque complexity, to the rhythms of rap. Every one of us is layered time. And so is art.

Couldn't agree more - there is more than one way to be 'progressive'. Your writing sounds fascinating, btw!

Quote from: Jezetha on January 17, 2008, 04:28:01 AMBtw - the Corelli Fantasia under Marriner is my favourite recording. I prefer it to the one by Tippett himself.

I don't know the Marriner - I do like the Tippett reading though. (Did he only do one?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on January 17, 2008, 04:47:47 AM
I knew I recognised that Double bass tune from somewhere - I used to listen to the Perfect Fool a lot... Must dig it out again.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 17, 2008, 04:52:08 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 17, 2008, 04:35:43 AM
Couldn't agree more - there is more than one way to be 'progressive'. Your writing sounds fascinating, btw!

I don't know the Marriner - I do like the Tippett reading though. (Did he only do one?)

I'm busy perfecting a very big first novel, of which parts were published in 2000 already (in a literary magazine). I began writing it in 1996, so it has to fascinate me too, otherwise I couldn't have kept it up for so long...  ;)

The Tippett recording is on Virgin - I think it's the only one. The Marriner with the Academy of St Martin's in the Fields is from the early 1980s. I fell in love with immediately. It's a magical piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 17, 2008, 05:01:59 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on January 17, 2008, 04:52:08 AM
I'm busy perfecting a very big first novel, of which parts were published in 2000 already (in a literary magazine). I began writing it in 1996, so it has to fascinate me too, otherwise I couldn't have kept it up for so long...  ;)

Keep us posted! Any clues as to content, or is that under wraps?

Quote from: Jezetha on January 17, 2008, 04:52:08 AM
The Tippett recording is on Virgin - I think it's the only one. The Marriner with the Academy of St Martin's in the Fields is from the early 1980s. I fell in love with immediately. It's a magical piece.

Ah, well I have a Tippett recording on EMI, so that may be a different reading. Scottish Chamber Orch, c.w. Concerto for Double String Orchestra (also an excellent reading) and (strange coupling, but great piece) the Songs for Dov.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on January 17, 2008, 05:04:32 AM
I've just checked - they are the same reading it seems, same couplings too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on January 17, 2008, 05:11:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on January 17, 2008, 05:04:32 AM
I've just checked - they are the same reading it seems, same couplings too.

Yes, you're right.

Regarding the novel - it would take me too long to tell you about it. Suffice it to say it is a very ambitious work, mixing religion and politics, which The Netherlands will have to come to grips with, when I have finished it (the novel) and have finished with it (The Netherlands)...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
Hello?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 11:54:47 AM
Hello!

An absent friend and an absent thread in one go!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 12:05:27 PM
I wasn't "absent". Just not around. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on March 24, 2008, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
Hello?
Hello? I think you dialed the wrong number.....

oh wait, you sound like Maciek! Hey, there!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on March 24, 2008, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
Hello?

Hello!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on March 24, 2008, 12:22:58 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on March 24, 2008, 12:22:28 PM
Hello!
Hey, give me back my phone!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 12:25:56 PM
Whoever would think it takes so little to bring life back to a dead thread? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on March 24, 2008, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on March 24, 2008, 12:22:58 PM
Hey, give me back my phone!

Will you please hang up! I'm having a conversation here.

"Hello, Maciek! Wonderful avatar!"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
Thanks, Johan! :D Actually, the photo is almost a year old but I thought I'd save it for Easter - it just seemed so perfect! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 12:50:14 PM
Quote from: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 12:25:56 PM
Whoever would think it takes so little to bring life back to a dead thread? ;D

Not dead, merely resting.

This, however, isn't a real resuscitation until someone has some scores to give or guess!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 12:56:31 PM
I disagree, I think the social element over here was always at least as important as the scores. ;D



There, now we can start our traditional flame war... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on March 24, 2008, 12:57:44 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 12:50:14 PM
Not dead, merely resting.

This, however, isn't a real resuscitation until someone has some scores to give or guess!
someone had to do it  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on March 24, 2008, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on March 24, 2008, 12:57:44 PM
someone had to do it  0:)

Very apt!

(Mahler's Resurrection Symphony)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 01:08:01 PM
Who is going to keep score this time!?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 01:58:51 PM
What the hell - here are two relatively topical ones (both been mentioned here recently, anyway)

LO 203
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 01:59:44 PM
LO 204
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 24, 2008, 02:09:40 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 01:08:01 PM
Who is going to keep score this time!?

Was that pun intended? $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 02:15:25 PM
And if anyone is interested in looking at my unguessed ones from January:

167 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949) A very well known ballet, better-known in the suite form, by an extremely important composer. Guessed by Sforzando - Bartok's Miraculous Mandarin
168 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950) The only vocal work for these forces that I know of, a setting of a common religious text.
179 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966) Of all the great composers, certainly one of the least discussed on this site. Guessed by Sforzando - Rossini's La Cenerentola overture
181 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968) Surprised this hasn't been identified; the chromatic harmony is typical. Guessed by Sforzando - Franck, Symphonic Variations
183 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970) Very big piano concerto, evidently. Near the beginning. Guessed by Robert - Busoni's Piano Concerto
184 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971) Famous orchestral work, an imitation of a machine. There's a big clue for you. Guessed by Greg - Honegger's Pacific 231
185 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973) Closely linked to another of my scores which I posted near to this one.
191 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131) Piano concerto. English. One of my favourites. Guessed by Guido - Ireland's Piano Concerto
193 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134) By a composer not much associated with the piano.
194 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135) Surprised this wasn't got. If you'd followed the clues, you'd have worked out that it is Tippett. Guessed by Robert - Tippett's A Child of Our Time.
201 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185) A jazz transcription. Pianist needed - his famous, habitual tag is the easiest way to identify him here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on March 24, 2008, 03:52:49 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 02:15:25 PM
And if anyone is interested in looking at my unguessed ones from January:

167 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949) A very well known ballet, better-known in the suite form, by an extremely important composer.
168 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950) The only vocal work for these forces that I know of, a setting of a common religious text.
179 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966) Of all the great composers, certainly one of the least discussed on this site.
181 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968) Surprised this hasn't been identified; the chromatic harmony is typical.
183 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970) Very big piano concerto, evidently. Near the beginning.
184 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971) Famous orchestral work, an imitation of a machine. There's a big clue for you.
185 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973) Closely linked to another of my scores which I posted near to this one.
191 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131) Piano concerto. English. One of my favourites.
193 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134) By a composer not much associated with the piano.
194 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135) Surprised this wasn't got. If you'd followed the clues, you'd have worked out that it is Tippett.
201 - ? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185) A jazz transcription. Pianist needed - his famous, habitual tag is the easiest way to identify him here.

184- Honneger- Pacific 231...... if not, Antheil's Mechanical Ballet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on March 24, 2008, 04:24:12 PM
I hope the composer of LO 204 understands that playing softly on the bass clarinet requires at least as much air, if not more, than loud notes. "Halber Luft" doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 05:11:33 PM
 ;D The piece works very effectively, in any case....

Greg, Pacific 231 is correct. Now, why was that so easy now, and ungettable three months ago?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Robert Dahm on March 24, 2008, 05:57:47 PM
183 is the first piano entry in the Busoni Piano Concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 24, 2008, 07:03:54 PM
167 Wild guess, but could this be from the Miraculous Mandarin of Bartok?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 01:39:56 AM
Also both correct. The Bartok is from a fairly obscure passage late in the ballet; I chose it because it has a fairly early use of microtone notation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 25, 2008, 03:42:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 01:39:56 AM
Also both correct. The Bartok is from a fairly obscure passage late in the ballet; I chose it because it has a fairly early use of microtone notation.

I didn't see how it could be anything else, but in thumbing through my copy of the score I couldn't find the passage, so I felt unsure.

As for the rest - blanks.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Robert Dahm on March 25, 2008, 03:48:01 AM
194 is A Child of Our Time, the very end of number 29.

The rehearsal figure visible at left was very nifty in confirming my hunch...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 04:47:21 AM
Yes, it is - this is one of the highpoints of the piece (quite literally, in fact - the soprano's top C) and I was surprised that no one got it sooner (when for instance my other, somewhat less well-known Tippett samples were all identified).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 04:49:28 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on March 25, 2008, 03:42:09 AM
I didn't see how it could be anything else, but in thumbing through my copy of the score I couldn't find the passage, so I felt unsure.

As for the rest - blanks.

You know 181, I 'm sure, and I'd be surprised if you haven't heard 179.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 25, 2008, 05:18:20 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 04:49:28 AM
You know 181, I 'm sure, and I'd be surprised if you haven't heard 179.

I hate it when you say these things! because then it makes me feel worse when I can't place it. 181 looks like a piano concerto modelled after the 2nd movement of the Beethoven 4th - but who? The piano textures aren't Lisztian, but maybe I ought to check my scores. Who else? Cesar Franck?

As for 179, it baffles me also. It looks like some kind of opera buffa overture, a transitional passage in a sonata allegro from the main to the second group. The "gran cassa" suggests the typical Italian grouping of bass drum and cymbal. That along with the chattering rhythms suggest - maybe Rossini?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on March 25, 2008, 05:19:55 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 24, 2008, 05:11:33 PM

Greg, Pacific 231 is correct. Now, why was that so easy now, and ungettable three months ago?  ;D
gee, i wonder  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 05:25:51 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on March 25, 2008, 05:18:20 AM
I hate it when you say these things! because then it makes me feel worse when I can't place it. 181 looks like a piano concerto modelled after the 2nd movement of the Beethoven 4th - but who? The piano textures aren't Lisztian, but maybe I ought to check my scores. Who else? Cesar Franck?

As for 179, it baffles me also. It looks like some kind of opera buffa overture, a transitional passage in a sonata allegro from the main to the second group. The "gran cassa" suggests the typical Italian grouping of bass drum and cymbal. That along with the chattering rhythms suggest - maybe Rossini?

This is why this thread is so great - this kind of detective work. Because both your guesses as to composer are correct! At least in the case of the Franck, therefore, the work ought to be very easy to identify now.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 25, 2008, 05:33:08 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 05:25:51 AM
This is why this thread is so great - this kind of detective work. Because both your guesses as to composer are correct! At least in the case of the Franck, therefore, the work ought to be very easy to identify now.  :) :) :)

Then I would assume it's the Franck Symphonic Variations.

And now I'll have to go through my 3-CD of Rossini overtures to find the right one ...  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 05:34:15 AM
1) Yes

and

2) maybe. Or maybe I will put you out of your misery when I can remember which one it is myself.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 25, 2008, 07:18:21 AM
This is a guess but is LO 191 the Ireland piano concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 08:33:14 AM
Yes! The second, gorgeous movement, quite close in style to his extraordinary piano+orch Legend. This amazing, craggy, north-country feel in both the opening music for (mostly) strings and the sensitive piano solo which follows. What the hell - here's a lo-fi sample, including the quoted page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 25, 2008, 08:59:42 AM
Before guessing, I just listened to the first movement and the piano writing just sounded similar to what that extract looked like. It's funny how English music has never been known fr its piano writing, though there are actually a fair few very good piano pieces. I have the Kathryn Stott recording of this work coupled with the Walton Sinfonia Concertante, which I adore, and the Bridge Phantasm, which I also love. It's a great CD, and she's a great pianist.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 09:09:15 AM
Do you know Legend? Astonishingly potent piece. Ireland is one of the great piano composers of the last century - not a huge output, but everything is very high quality, and his personal style is very strong. Sarnia, the Sonata and Sonatina, Greenways and Decorations....superb music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on March 25, 2008, 09:11:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 09:09:15 AM
Do you know Legend? Astonishingly potent piece. Ireland is one of the great piano composers of the last century - not a huge output, but everything is very high quality, and his personal style is very strong. Sarnia, the Sonata and Sonatina, Greenways and Decorations....superb music.

I have the Hyperion CD with the Delius and Ireland Piano concertos. And Legend. The Delius I have listened to, but not the Ireland. Yet... I know what to do!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 25, 2008, 09:13:22 AM
I don't know the Legend, no. I have a naxos CD of a lot of his miniatures which didn't really grab me - all a bit quaint and dull, but I am more than williang to believe that the larger works are more impressive knowing the piano concerto.

P.S. Where is Larry?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 09:16:39 AM
Larry who? >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 25, 2008, 09:23:51 AM
Why, the corrugated one of course!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 09:28:36 AM
Oh, Larry Crinkle or whatever he was called....

Quote from: Guido on March 25, 2008, 09:13:22 AM
...miniatures which didn't really grab me - all a bit quaint dull...

There's this rugged quality (sorry, no other word) to his harmony, which is enriched and encrusted with a lot of dissonances - as in the sample I posted. I suppose it is most obvious in slow movements - the cello sonata is another one - but it means he build up really biting march-like music too (again, the cello sonata has typical examples). Later on, he stripped down his style rather like Ravel - the Sonatina is very lean and yet harmonically very pungent (big aggregates of piled up thirds, again, like the Ravel of Valses N+S, but bitonally mutated) and a powerful, haunting slow movement built out of only a couple of very slender but potent ideas, developed in a very restrained way. These later pieces - Legend, the Sonatina, also the Fantasy Sonata - give the best idea of Ireland, I suppose, though the Cello Sonata too seems to me very typical.

There is a touch of quaintness in some of his smaller piano pieces, I suppose, but even there there is usually more going on - in the Preludes, for instance, with its searching 5/8 movement The Undertone, built a little like a chaconne, or in Decorations, all movements of which are inspired, and whose central movement is again polytonally coloured in an extremely sensitive way. This last set is quite close to the Debussy of the piano Images - and it (especially the first movement) is an early example of the Impressionist aesthetic in British piano music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on March 25, 2008, 11:04:50 AM
John Ireland once said  "The clarinet is by far the finest wood instrument..."
It's hard to dislike a guy who says that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 11:11:02 AM
Do you know the Fantasy Sonata, Mark? If not, add it to your repertoire!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 25, 2008, 01:34:53 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 09:28:36 AM
Oh, Larry Crinkle or whatever he was called....

There's this rugged quality (sorry, no other word) to his harmony, which is enriched and encrusted with a lot of dissonances - as in the sample I posted. I suppose it is most obvious in slow movements - the cello sonata is another one - but it means he build up really biting march-like music too (again, the cello sonata has typical examples). Later on, he stripped down his style rather like Ravel - the Sonatina is very lean and yet harmonically very pungent (big aggregates of piled up thirds, again, like the Ravel of Valses N+S, but bitonally mutated) and a powerful, haunting slow movement built out of only a couple of very slender but potent ideas, developed in a very restrained way. These later pieces - Legend, the Sonatina, also the Fantasy Sonata - give the best idea of Ireland, I suppose, though the Cello Sonata too seems to me very typical.

There is a touch of quaintness in some of his smaller piano pieces, I suppose, but even there there is usually more going on - in the Preludes, for instance, with its searching 5/8 movement The Undertone, built a little like a chaconne, or in Decorations, all movements of which are inspired, and whose central movement is again polytonally coloured in an extremely sensitive way. This last set is quite close to the Debussy of the piano Images - and it (especially the first movement) is an early example of the Impressionist aesthetic in British piano music.

Interesting as always. I can see that he is a composer of quality, but I just don't respond to it that well. Even the cello sonata, which I have heard described as being amongst his best chamber works doesn't grab me, though I can hear that it's very well written and thought out. I find the highly chromatic harmony just leads to a sense of aimlessness, or perhaps that is not what I mean - maybe that it could go anywhere. There also seems to be somewhat of a lack of contrast in terms of mood and feel. I am well aware that this could or is likely to be a result of my own shallowness than anything else. No doubt my opinions will change in the future (I hope the same thing will happen with a few other even more famous composers too!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 26, 2008, 12:57:49 AM
I'll be a bit busy for the next week or so, so might not be able to look in on this thread much. Don't take that as lack of interest.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 26, 2008, 09:52:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 25, 2008, 05:25:51 AM
This is why this thread is so great - this kind of detective work. Because both your guesses as to composer are correct!

The Rossini is the overture to La Cenerentola. I had to listen to 18 Rossini overtures to pin it down! :D The kicker is that while the fast section is very familiar, this slower introductory music is harder for me to retain in memory.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on March 30, 2008, 06:27:09 AM
Yes, that's the one. As I said - I'm quite busy at the moment, so sorry for not confirming earlier!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 14, 2008, 07:43:40 AM
OK, just to keep things orderly, let me reveal the last remaining scores of mine:

168 - from Janacek - Otce Nas. One of Janacek's loveliest works, a rather rustic setting of the Lord's Prayer for chorus, organ and harp.

185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1. Closely linked to a nearby score, I said. No. 186 is Ligeti's SQ 2

193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains. One of RVW's relatively small number of solo piano works, but quite an attractive miniature with a rather refined, exalted world of its own.

201 - an improvisation by Thelonius Monk. I left in Monk's trademark signature - the high trill with which he wolud end many of his improvisations. Seems no one recognised it!

203 - Hoddinott - The Sun, the Great Luminary of the Universe. Topical because I posted it shortly after he died. Note the Bach (and by implication Berg) quotation.

204 - Zimmermann - Stille und Umkehr. Topical because we'd just been discussing it on the Zimmermann thread.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 14, 2008, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 14, 2008, 07:43:40 AM
168 - from Janacek - Otce Nas. One of Janacek's loveliest works, a rather rustic setting of the Lord's Prayer for chorus, organ and harp.

Hmm . . . wonder if we might use this at St Paul's . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 14, 2008, 07:59:58 AM
Well, you know what I would say! Do you know it, Karl? If not, I'll have to see about pushing a copy in your direction....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 14, 2008, 08:06:22 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 14, 2008, 07:59:58 AM
. . . Do you know it, Karl? If not, I'll have to see about pushing a copy in your direction....

I don't yet know it, and should be most glad of having a copy pushed hither  :)

Separately, Luke, Ed has not forgotten your piano piece;  we shall see . . . I just wish I could say that Ed was more organized than he is (and organized is not quite le mot juste).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 14, 2008, 08:50:54 AM
Just happy to have it considered, Karl! And interested to hear how it might turn out.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:27:10 AM
Haven't looked at this thread for ages, but it seems about the right time for me to post some of my own scores and bump it up again. My apologies if any of these have been posted before, since I haven't been keeping track around here.

#1

Fascinating notation - I love the little hands which appear here and there :D.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:31:56 AM
#2

This one should be fairly easy, with its unique instrumentation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:34:26 AM
#3

Once again, quite straightforward here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:38:35 AM
#4

This one might be a bit harder: a lesser known composer in general, but quite well-known in this particular type of composition. A very beautiful score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:40:18 AM
#5

Fairly well-known composer, not so well-known of a piece. If you look carefully though, there is a very obvious clue. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:44:35 AM
#6

This one may prove difficult, involving a lesser-known composer. I chose this excerpt for its interesting string notation which I haven't come across anywhere else so far.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 26, 2008, 12:44:35 AM
# 2 = Stravinsky, 'Les Noces'

# 5 = Shostakovich (DSCH), but I don't know the work...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:45:42 AM
#7

This one shouldn't require too much thought. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:47:18 AM
#8

Just for fun: an extremely obscure composer, but perhaps not so obscure in other areas. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:53:41 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 26, 2008, 12:44:35 AM
# 2 = Stravinsky, 'Les Noces'

Correct. I love the use of four pianos. :)

Quote from: Jezetha on April 26, 2008, 12:44:35 AM# 5 = Shostakovich (DSCH), but I don't know the work...

Good work spotting the clue however; although Shostakovich is an important part of this piece, he was not the composer. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 26, 2008, 12:58:40 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 12:53:41 AM
Correct. I love the use of four pianos. :)

Good work spotting the clue however; although Shostakovich is an important part of this piece, he was not the composer. ;)

Okay... What about Ronald Stevenson, then, Passacaglia on DSCH?!

And the obscure composer of #8 - Nietzsche.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 01:05:28 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 26, 2008, 12:58:40 AM
Okay... What about Ronald Stevenson, then, Passacaglia on DSCH?!

A good guess, but this piece is by a more famous composer.

Quote from: Jezetha on April 26, 2008, 12:58:40 AM
And the obscure composer of #8 - Nietzsche.

Nice job! Did my clue give it away?

Well now that you have the composer, as an extra challenge, it shouldn't be too hard to find the name of the piece in question.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 26, 2008, 01:12:30 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 01:05:28 AM
Nice job! Did my clue give it away?

A bit. In addition to the German tempo markings and the ninteenth-century style.

Quote from: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 01:05:28 AM
Well now that you have the composer, as an extra challenge, it shouldn't be too hard to find the name of the piece in question.

I'll have to do some research. But not now...

The Shostakovich piece I leave to better minds, after two shots at it.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 26, 2008, 05:01:05 AM
#5 must be Schnittke's Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich for two violins.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 26, 2008, 05:02:38 AM
#7 is "Es" from Aus die sieben Tagen by Stockhausen.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 26, 2008, 05:04:09 AM
#3: The text gives it away. A Survivor from Warsaw (Schoenberg).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 05:36:05 AM
All correct there Mark. Good work!

Yes, I thought the Schoenberg would be quite easy, with the text. I think it provides an interesting example though of Schoenberg's post-Pierrot Lunaire style Sprechstimme notation, indicating pitches but without a traditional clef.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 26, 2008, 12:11:52 PM
No fair! Putting scores up whilst I was away! I could have got a few of those already got!   ;D ;D ;) ;)

No 1 is Lachenmann, I think - Pression?

No 2 - les Noces (my score is lost, but it's fairly clear!)

No 3 - Survivor from Warsaw (I knew that one!)

No 4 -

No 5 - wild guess - Berio!

No 6 - no clue

No 7 - Stockhausen (Knew that one too)

No 8 - I wouldn't have got this one, I suspect. Not quickly, anyway!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 26, 2008, 05:24:23 PM
No.8 is Nietzsche's "There flows a brook". A gorgeous little piece - I am really fond of his music. Lots of unexpected little turns (especially under the first time bracket) - I implore anyone who has piano skills to play through this little ditty.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 26, 2008, 08:47:37 PM
Both correct there Luke and Guido, with the Lachenmann and Nietzsche scores respectively. I haven't actually played through the Nietzsche yet; I was just surprised to come across it one day, when I had never realised that he had composed music before.

Well, it looks like that leaves only numbers 4 and 6 then. I'll leave you guys to think about them for a while, and if no-one has any ideas I may have to give clues. I would imagine one could narrow down #4 by looking carefully at the score, #6 is more obscure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 02:42:10 AM
Another guess on no 5, if it isn't Berio (doesn't look like any of the duets from his first set anyway): Smirnov?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 27, 2008, 02:50:34 AM
I tried thinking through the notes in my head Luke but didn't ring any bells. When at Sussex uni the Prof there was a Berio man and I had to do something on his opera La Vera storia, the score being an enormous slab of a book- I've no idea how a conductor could keep track of so many lines.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 27, 2008, 02:55:11 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 02:42:10 AM
Another guess on no 5, if it isn't Berio (doesn't look like any of the duets from his first set anyway): Smirnov?

#5 is Schnittke, Luke. Mark got it right:

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on April 26, 2008, 05:01:05 AM
#5 must be Schnittke's Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich for two violins.


Johan

P.S. Did you see this posting about Turnovsky?

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg173875.html#msg173875
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 27, 2008, 03:05:27 AM
A very common English learner's error- I didn't saw, thinking they need saw because didn't is past tense: you need see because you're only describing the past as it was...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:15:50 AM
OK, Johan, missed that one! edit - missed both of them, the Schnittke identification, and the Turnovsky post!

No 4 looks like Murail to me. I'm ploughing through my 4 CDs of his music, and there are many similar passages. If it's not him, someone tell me and save me hours of spectral botherment! ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 27, 2008, 03:24:17 AM
Quote from: Sean on April 27, 2008, 03:05:27 AM
A very common English learner's error- I didn't saw, thinking they need saw because didn't is past tense: you need see because you're only describing the past as it was...

I know, Sean, I know. I just hurriedly changed the sentence without changing the tense...  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:24:54 AM
Can't hear Turnovsky's vocals at either point - and the suggestion is, of course, that if he sings in both places then they have used a single take for both scherzo and da capo! Sure you're not hearing something in the orchestra? This passage has fun little warbling trills, cross rhythms and chromatic counter-melodies under the bellowing main idea - maybe it's one of these you're hearing?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 27, 2008, 03:27:35 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:24:54 AM
Can't hear Turnovsky's vocals at either point - and the suggestion is, of course, that if he sings in both places then they have used a single take for both scherzo and da capo! Sure you're not hearing something in the orchestra? This passage has fun little warbling trills, cross rhythms and chromatic counter-melodies under the bellowing main idea - maybe it's one of these you're hearing?

I'll check again. But it really startled me... He wouldn't be the first conductor to get over-enthusiastic...

Listened again (through headphones): if that isn't a human voice, I wonder which instrument(s) is (are) making that sound!?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 04:10:50 AM
I'll listen again with headphones myself, later

In the meantime, why not have another round of scores. This is just a random selection, quickly culled and without much sense or reason. One composer is rather over-represented. Some of them are very easy, I think.

LO 205, 206 and 207
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 04:12:04 AM
LO 208, 209 and 210
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 04:13:51 AM
LO 211, 212, 213 and 214
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 27, 2008, 05:49:42 AM
LO 214 is clearly Polish. Judging by the use of saxophones, I'm going to say it's Penderecki. For no good reason at all I'm going to guess that it's one of the De Natura Sonoris pieces.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 06:05:21 AM
Very good! Do you want to take a stab at which?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2008, 06:23:55 AM
I hate when he says they're easy, because then you feel like a moron if you can't get them right away.  :D

213, because of the virtuoso piano textures and the deliberately quaint English directions, could be Percy Grainger.

That big full score with lots of staves could be easy, but I can't read or enlarge it.

208: Arvo Part did a suite of easy pieces including a Rottkappachen und der Wolf.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2008, 06:56:20 AM
LO205 is the 'Fluster Kadenz' from the end of Ligeti's remarkable cello concerto of 1966. Fantastic piece, and apparently extremely difficult - I would like to look at the part some time.

I feel like there are other that I might know - 212 and 213
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 06:59:23 AM
I hate it when he says

QuoteI hate when he says they're easy, because then you feel like a moron if you can't get them right away

because then he gets them right away!

In any case, the Part - which is by far the hardest one, though leaving the title in was nice of me, I thought  ;D - is correct. And the other is indeed by Grainger. As is usual with him, it's a paraphrase, perhaps his greatest one, - I quote:

Quote from: Malcolm MacDonald....justly regarded as one of the very summits of the transcriber's art. It has been claimed as one of the most elaborately notated pieces in the repertoire of the piano...

Guido - correct, of course!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 07:01:32 AM
We've had quite a few more scores since the last list was completed so here's a new one. First off, links to the old list:

part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

And next, the new, second list:

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Reinhold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk imrpovisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Muperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hodinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4  - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven =- Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 27, 2008, 07:10:16 AM
209- easy- Ligeti's Lontano (i have the score after all  8) )
210- Ligeti's Articulation
214- something by Penderecki...... just a sec. Ok, now I'm pretty sure it's the ending of De Natura Sonoris I.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 08:12:29 AM
Good, Greg, all correct!

I'm not sure whether you or Mark should be credited with the Penderecki - he got there by following clues, but didn't identify which of the two DNS pieces it was; you're the first to get the precise one, though. Split decision?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 08:25:53 AM
One more, for fun - LO 214 sorry, 215
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2008, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 06:59:23 AM
And the other is indeed by Grainger. As is usual with him, it's a paraphrase, perhaps his greatest one, - I quote:

I should've looked at the melody! Sure looks like the final duet from Rosenkavalier.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 08:36:22 AM
Sure is! (luscious!) Now you just need the title of the Grainger piece (as it isn't just 'Paraphrase on Der Rosenkavalier' or whatever)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2008, 09:02:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 08:36:22 AM
Sure is! (luscious!) Now you just need the title of the Grainger piece (as it isn't just 'Paraphrase on Der Rosenkavalier' or whatever)

Let's see now - not Turkey in the Straw, not Country Gardens, not Shepherd's Hey!, not - by George I've got it! "Ramble On The Last Love-Duet In Der Rosenkavalier!"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:19:44 AM
LOL - yes, or Ramble on Love, as it's known for short. Listening to it now, as it happens (Ronald Stevenson live performance). Wonderful stuff!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:30:17 AM
Grainger on Strauss

Quote from: Percy GraingerStrauss is a greater, grander genius than Maurice Ravel because he has so amply the vulgarity that Ravel lacks

I disagree with the first part of this statement, but not the last!

Stevenson's such an admirable figure in every way, and apart from his inspiring compositional accomplishments, such an awesome pianist - one of the finest, honestly, unsurpassable in this repertoire, which he knows, understands and loves passionately from the inside out. His technique is so strong and individual... here's the Grainger piece, in two (much reduced quality) parts
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:30:48 AM
part 2

The page I quoted, btw, straddles the end of the first of these parts and the beginning of the second. FWIW
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:47:46 AM
A few more - and then that's it for the day, I promise:

LO 215 (quite easy), 216 (quite hard) and 217 (very hard)

- sorry, my numberings are wrong for the following 11. Add 1 to get the correct numbering as it appears on the list.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:49:17 AM
LO 218 (hard), 219 (very easy) and 220 (moderate)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:50:41 AM
LO 221 (easy), 222 (very hard, so I've left the name in) and 223 (very hard - and to play too!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:52:24 AM
LO 224 (hard, so I've left the name in again) and 225 (easy)

Of course, all those difficulty ratings are my opinion, of course, and only to help you know which ones to focus on (or not)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2008, 10:05:48 AM
225 is the third song from Mussorgksy's Sunless cycle.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2008, 10:32:40 AM
221 is Crumb but cant remember what
223 looks like it could be Ornstein to me...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 27, 2008, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:19:44 AM
LOL - yes, or Ramble on Love, as it's known for short. Listening to it now, as it happens (Ronald Stevenson live performance). Wonderful stuff!

Indeed. Great playing.

[Although I don't really like the whole of Der Rosenkavalier, I think the last 45 minutes or so are sublime.]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 11:58:57 AM
Sforzando - correct on the Mussorgsky. Obviously I chose this page for its infamous prefiguring of Debussy's Nuages...

Greg - correct, it is Crumb. The Ornstein guess is wrong, though I can see why you'd think that.

BTW, I got the numbering wrong for the last few - I did two 214s, so the following ones are numbered one too low. All corrected in the list, however. It ought to be clear which one is which anyway, from the context.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2008, 03:23:18 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 11:58:57 AM
Sforzando - correct on the Mussorgsky. Obviously I chose this page for its infamous prefiguring of Debussy's Nuages...

Greg - correct, it is Crumb. The Ornstein guess is wrong, though I can see why you'd think that.

BTW, I got the numbering wrong for the last few - I did two 214s, so the following ones are numbered one too low. All corrected in the list, however. It ought to be clear which one is which anyway, from the context.

Hey, my name is Guido!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:29:08 PM
Yeah, right. Seen one G, seen 'em all. Easily confused, you know....

:-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:30:53 PM
Any thoughts on 217, Guido?

Which is a kind of clue, if you think about it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 27, 2008, 03:45:50 PM
LO 217 is one of Three Improvisations by Charles Ives.

The AMP at the bottom of the page indicates that it's published by Associated Music Publishers, Ives' publisher. There are verbal notes on the page referring to a recorded performance, and I recalled that Ives did record some piano improvisations. And finally, I checked the plate number on the Cornell library's catalog record for the Three Improvisations, and it matches that on the page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2008, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:30:53 PM
Any thoughts on 217, Guido?

Which is a kind of clue, if you think about it.

I guessed it was something by Ives but didn't recognise it - has someone transcribed something from those recordings that he made?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:53:15 PM
Begod, Mark, how d'you get that? Though I know I left on the publisher's reference number....sometimes I am just too nice  ;D

The Improvisations were transcribed by Gail and James Dapogny, Guido. Shall I attach the score? It's only wafer thin 366 KB...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2008, 03:56:27 PM
Yes do! I've found that CD pretty heavy going on the whole - Ives improvising at his most dissonant, and its all very fragmentary. It's all worth it for that golden version of "the Alcott's" which is just breathtaking in every way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:58:41 PM
Mark - good detective work! I chose a page where there were hints that a transcription was in the offing deliberately. Here's the whole score
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Guido on April 27, 2008, 03:56:27 PM
Yes do! I've found that CD pretty heavy going on the whole - Ives improvising at his most dissonant, and its all very fragmentary. It's all worth it for that golden version of "the Alcott's" which is just breathtaking in every way.

It's a great CD, though Guido, all in all. Might be my night-time listening tonight. I go for such soothing sounds, you see.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2008, 04:03:05 PM
Yes I will certainly have to listen to it more often. Thanks for the sheet music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 27, 2008, 04:23:45 PM
here's a little one from a score that I have been looking at today.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 04:45:59 PM
Beethoven Triple Concerto, I think
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2008, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 09:52:24 AM
LO 224 (hard, so I've left the name in again) and 225 (easy)

224 is from Les Heures Persanes by that "other" French impressionist, Charles Koechlin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
Just one from me so far. Shouldn't be hard.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 27, 2008, 06:54:33 PM
Well, it sure looks like a Schubert piano sonata to me, probably one in C major.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
It is, it's the unfinished one, 'Reliquie' D840
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 28, 2008, 04:08:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
It is, it's the unfinished one, 'Reliquie' D840

Bien sur (related to the Schubert thread, where some perceive Schubert as unable to construct a Beethovenian development section). And I want credit for 224!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 04:36:34 AM
Noted....

(Nice of me to leave in the title again, wasn't it?  ;D ;) )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 28, 2008, 05:05:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 27, 2008, 03:15:50 AM
No 4 looks like Murail to me. I'm ploughing through my 4 CDs of his music, and there are many similar passages. If it's not him, someone tell me and save me hours of spectral botherment! ;D

Murail it most certainly is. One of his most famous works, I think, although my knowledge of him is fairly limited.

I will have to take a look at some of your scores later Luke! If other people don't guess them all first in the meantime... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 06:16:43 AM
Of mine, no 219 is a major, major piece (though actually quite a short work), whose opening bars (I thought) are epochal and infamous. To look at even more than to hear. I'm sure most of you know it.

Murail - well, Au dela du mur du son had many passages which sounded like this. But his most famous pieces are things like Gondwana and Terre d'ombre, I suppose.  I guess the latter, for now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 28, 2008, 06:20:42 AM
Though I take part all too seldom, I always enjoy this thread.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 06:22:37 AM
Pleased to hear it, Karl.  :D

I've said it before and I'll say it again - this thread is Sean's great gift to mankind  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 07:22:01 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on April 28, 2008, 04:08:09 AM
(related to the Schubert thread, where some perceive Schubert as unable to construct a Beethovenian development section)

Be that as it may - and of course he was well able to do so if he wished, as this example demonstrates - he's certainly able to construct a Schubertian one, which, to be blunt, is what I look to him for. For Beethovenian music, I tend to go to Beethoven, strangely enough. It is not written anywhere that Schubert (or anyone else) always has to be Beethovenian to qualify as a great composer, and the implication from certain people on that thread - that all music must be judged by Beethoven's aesthetics - is misguided to say the least.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 28, 2008, 07:22:36 AM
Murail? Wait, which one?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 09:19:38 AM
Why, this one of course? Who else could it be? (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1130334/)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 28, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 07:22:01 AM
Be that as it may - and of course he was well able to do so if he wished, as this example demonstrates - he's certainly able to construct a Schubertian one, which, to be blunt, is what I look to him for. For Beethovenian music, I tend to go to Beethoven, strangely enough. It is not written anywhere that Schubert (or anyone else) always has to be Beethovenian to qualify as a great composer, and the implication from certain people on that thread - that all music must be judged by Beethoven's aesthetics - is misguided to say the least.

It was so written by Mr. Premont there:
QuoteIn my opinion his movements in sonata form e.g. generally lacks contrast and drama. As you know, the point of the sonata form as designed by its inventors is the contrast (in the exposition) and the "fight" (in the development section) between the first and second theme. You find this in the music of Haydn, Beethoven - even Mozart, and many others, but very seldom in the music of Schubert.

Meanwhile 219 - some piece of total serialism?
220 - looks Messiaenic. (But not Messianic.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 10:34:33 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on April 28, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
It was so written by Mr. Premont there:

Yes, I know, that's the sort of one-size-fits-all post I was refering to when I said 'the implication from certain people on that thread - that all music must be judged by Beethoven's aesthetics - is misguided to say the least.' Your Schubert illustration is useful as proof that Schubert could compose that way when he wisehd to - my point, though, is that he doesn't have to do so to be considered great - the type of writing we see in other sonata movements of his may not conform to Beethovenian norms, coming as it does from a different aesthetic, within which it works perfectly, but that doesn't preclude its being great music.

Quote from: Sforzando on April 28, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
Meanwhile 219 - some piece of total serialism?

Some piece, he says! Some piece....?! I ask you....

Quote from: Sforzando on April 28, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
220 - looks Messiaenic. (But not Messianic.)

It does, doesn't it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 28, 2008, 11:02:00 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 09:19:38 AM
Why, this one of course? Who else could it be? (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1130334/)
hahaha
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 28, 2008, 02:58:14 PM
Mode de valeurs et d'intensités is 219 - surprised he didn't get that, given that he recognised that it was a piece of total serialism.

you are right on the Beethoven - the slow movement of which is one of the most beautiful of any I know. Not complicated but just a gorgeous Cantabile line over the orchestra, and using the cello in that middle/high register, rather than violin is a stroke of genius.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 28, 2008, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: Guido on April 28, 2008, 02:58:14 PM
Mode de valeurs et d'intensités is 219 - surprised he didn't get that, given that he recognised that it was a piece of total serialism.

I don't know everything . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 28, 2008, 08:19:25 PM
Mode de valeurs et d'intensites (1949) isn't quite total serialism- Messiaen had more sense than that, but a precursor to it. Here's my notes from a uni lecture I gave on it in 2003.

Messiaen's Quatre etudes de rythme (1949-50) is a set of four piano pieces that brings a paring down of his previous writing such as found in Visions de L'Amen and Vingt Regards (1943 and 1944) and exposes many of the special features of his style: rhythmic processes and contrasts of registers and densities become particularly clear.

In the second piece written for the set in Darmstadt however- Mode de valeurs et d'intensites (Mode of durations and intensities) (1949), there are also new innovations that were to lead to total serialism. Messiaen had written about the serialization of durations in his Technique de mon language musical (The Technique of my musical language) (1944), and also Milton Babbitt in America had completed several works using combined serial strategies in 1947-8.

A level of integration beyond that afforded by the modes of limited transposition and Schoenbergian serial procedures is achieved in this four minute piece through it being built on four 'modes', of different kinds again, each governing a particular parameter. The modes are of 36 pitches (of three series), 24 durations, 12 types of attack and 7 degrees of intensity. They were prepared pre-compositionally and determine the work's entire content, although the serial structure doesn't yet extend to define the actual succession of musical elements.

The modes also unfold in a field divided into three registers of high, medium and low and which are associated with the shorter, medium or longer durations so that when pitches change register they also change duration. Hence though the modes are independent from each other, they're dependent on a more general relation between register and tempo that introduces into the work a radical structural relativity and homogeneity.

In the early stages Mode de valeurs et d'intensites was understood in different ways by the younger composers closest to Messiaen. Stockhausen was led to investigating the dependence of timbre on time, it gave the anti-serialist Xenakis insights for his mathematical conception of music, and Boulez, who had been a maths student, developed total or integral serialism from it in his first and second books of Stuctures for two pianos (1952 and 1956-61).

In total serialism all musical parameters are subordinated to a pre-given overarching system: serial principles are extended to govern the duration, intensity and attack of each sound as well as its pitch. Under this scheme the composer has to select only their basic note row, and at most the tempi and note registers, and all other parameters can then be derived from permutation tables of transpositions and inversions of the original row.

Though Mode de valeurs et d'intensites helped to open up many fertile areas of composition, Messiaen stands opposed to the trend in this period to achieve isolation and definition of the components of music and applying to them the rational organizing power of the serial principle.

His engagement with serialism was chiefly with a view to development of his own harmonic processes, not as an end in itself. In fact the very concept of a series and its subsequent argumentation, rather than a kind of fixed state, is in opposition to his designs for immediate expression of absolute truths. Music is for him a detached, impersonal means to expression of the divinely perfect rather than a means for personal expression.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 11:09:30 PM
Thanks for that, Sean - there's a lot of interest in it. You ought to mention the fact that the series for book one of Structures is taken from that of Messiaen's top line; that for book two from his middle line....suggests that there might be a book three one of these days.

To confirm, yes, Sforzando, this is Messiaen's Mode de valeurs et d'intensites, one of the most important pieces of the 20th century in some respect. Larry, btw, with whom Guido in a brainfart moment got you confused (but then again I got him confused with Greg a few posts back!) is an ex-member and ex-regular poster on this thread who would undoubtedly have known the answer even though he has an unaccountable aversion to Messiaen.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 11:28:22 PM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 11:29:02 PM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 12:28:28 AM
(two of my finest posts, I think you'll agree.  :-[ :-[ :-[ Don't try to enlarge them, they aren't score samples.....)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 28, 2008, 06:16:43 AM
Murail - well, Au dela du mur du son had many passages which sounded like this. But his most famous pieces are things like Gondwana and Terre d'ombre, I suppose.  I guess the latter, for now.

It's a piece for a sort of chamber-sized orchestra, with electronics represented by the staves marked "bande" (tape) in the score.

As for your scores:

206 - A wild guess - Gorecki? Can't really see the notes too well to judge...
207 - The "Azerbaijan Love Song" from Luciano Berio's Folksongs
211 - Sylvano Bussotti's "Rara (dolce)", from La Passion selon Sade
215 - From Luigi Dallapiccola's Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera
216 - Sorabji, maybe?
220 - Surely Messiaen? But I've looked through all my scores and couldn't find this passage...
221 - "Agnus Dei (Capricorn)" from Crumb's Makrokosmos II.
224 - From Charles Koechlin's Les Heures Persanes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 29, 2008, 12:39:49 AM
Well as you might expect, I'm a little to one side of the idea of the Messiaen piece being one of the most important pieces of the century, but I know what you mean indeed. I bought the Beroff recording on an EMI LP when still at school, coupled with the already superbly idiomatic Preludes. What stikes me about the etude in question is that although only four minutes and spare in texture it still sounds entirely like Messiaen, and not really out of keeping with the other three.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 12:42:03 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
It's a piece for a sort of chamber-sized orchestra, with electronics represented by the staves marked "bande" (tape) in the score.

Yeah, I got that far....! He wrote more than one such thing, I think. I'll keep looking...


Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
As for your scores:

206 - A wild guess - Gorecki? Can't really see the notes too well to judge...
No. But it's a really famous piece, I think. Most of us will have heard it at some point or other.

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
207 - The "Azerbaijan Love Song" from Luciano Berio's Folksongs
Yes

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
211 - Sylvano Bussotti's "Rara (dolce)", from La Passion selon Sade
Yes - good work!

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
215 - From Luigi Dallapiccola's Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera
Yes

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
216 - Sorabji, maybe?
No - this is a weird one, in many respects.

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
220 - Surely Messiaen? But I've looked through all my scores and couldn't find this passage...
Yes, it is Messiaen.

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
221 - "Agnus Dei (Capricorn)" from Crumb's Makrokosmos II.
Yes

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
224 - From Charles Koechlin's Les Heures Persanes
Yes, but Sforzando already identified this one.

Excellent!!  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 12:47:30 AM
Quote from: Sean on April 29, 2008, 12:39:49 AM
Well as you might expect, I'm a little to one side of the idea of the Messiaen piece being one of the most important pieces of the century, but I know what you mean indeed.

Yes, I hope so - important in a purely historical sense, regardless of one's own taste on the matter

Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
I bought the Beroff recording on an EMI LP when still at school, coupled with the already superbly idiomatic Preludes. What stikes me about the etude in question is that although only four minutes and spare in texture it still sounds entirely like Messiaen, and not really out of keeping with the other three.

Yes, it does, and that's partly because of the important differences  - the registral fixing etc. - between this piece and true total serialism. The registral fixing, particularly, creates passages similar to some of the things we hear in the Vingt Regards (etc.), in that the mysteries of the process are made more audible.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 12:49:10 AM
The Murail - Désintégrations?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 12:53:43 AM
The current list as it stands, and the links to the old one

part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Reinhold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Muperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)

Set by Sforzando
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:56:00 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 12:42:03 AM
Yeah, I got that far....! He wrote more than one such thing, I think. I'll keep looking...

Well, out of the guesses you came up with, Au-delà du Mur du son and Gondwana do not involve electronics and Terre d'ombre is written for a fairly large orchestra... so I was just trying to point you in the right direction.

EDIT: Yes, it is indeed Désintégrations. Well done!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:56:00 AM
Well, out of the guesses you came up with, Au-delà du Mur du son and Gondwana do not involve electronics and Terre d'ombre is written for a fairly large orchestra... so I was just trying to point you in the right direction.

EDIT: Yes, it is indeed Désintégrations. Well done!

Au deal du mur du son sounded a bit like this one looks, but it wasn't really a serious guess for the reason you say. The other two weren't proper guesses either, for the same reason, but you mentioned that it was one of his better known pieces, and (in my mind anyway) those are the two whose names spring to mind first, for some reason. Although I could hardly say I know them, or any other Murail, very well, despite having all those discs!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 01:06:38 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
Au deal du mur du son sounded a bit like this one looks, but it wasn't really a serious guess for the reason you say. The other two weren't proper guesses either, for the same reason, but you mentioned that it was one of his better known pieces, and (in my mind anyway) those are the two whose names spring to mind first, for some reason. Although I could hardly say I know them, or any other Murail, very well, despite having all those discs!

I have only heard one disc of Murail, and Désintégrations happened to be on it. So perhaps some faulty logic on my part then! ;) So I'm not too familiar with him either, but am interested in exploring further some time.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 01:21:52 AM
Clue on my 206 - it makes me think of aeroplanes and runways...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 29, 2008, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Symphonien on April 29, 2008, 12:56:00 AM
Well, out of the guesses you came up with, Au-delà du Mur du son and Gondwana do not involve electronics and Terre d'ombre is written for a fairly large orchestra... so I was just trying to point you in the right direction.

EDIT: Yes, it is indeed Désintégrations. Well done!
which page is it (on this thread), which number is it? I tried looking but I didn't see any posted by you, Symphonien.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 29, 2008, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on April 29, 2008, 01:45:06 PM
which page is it (on this thread), which number is it? I tried looking but I didn't see any posted by you, Symphonien.

Page 87...

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 29, 2008, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 29, 2008, 01:50:14 PM
Page 87...

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475
cooooooooooool, thanks  :D


oh, great....... just realized i don't have it on CD.  >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
Alternatively, Greg, dear boy, my carefully put-together lists (as a few posts up) are hyperlinked to all 500 or so scores.  $:) 0:) ;D ;) So just click on the one that says 'Murail', under the heading 'Set by Symphonien' to be whizzed to the score of your choice.  :-* 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 29, 2008, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
Alternatively, Greg, dear boy, my carefully put-together lists (as a few posts up) are hyperlinked to all 500 or so scores.  $:) 0:) ;D ;) So just click on the one that says 'Murail', under the heading 'Set by Symphonien' to be whizzed to the score of your choice.  :-* 0:)

Sorry to have overlooked your tool, Luke.



(And don't take that wrongly, this is no 'Carry On'-post...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 29, 2008, 02:02:25 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
Alternatively, Greg, dear boy, my carefully put-together lists (as a few posts up) are hyperlinked to all 500 or so scores.  $:) 0:) ;D ;) So just click on the one that says 'Murail', under the heading 'Set by Symphonien' to be whizzed to the score of your choice.  :-* 0:)
hehe
:-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 29, 2008, 02:01:18 PM
Sorry to have overlooked your tool, Luke.



(And don't take that wrongly, this is no 'Carry On'-post...)

It's all right, you're not the first one

(and ditto)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 29, 2008, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 02:03:52 PM
It's all right, you're not the first one

(and ditto)

;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 01:21:52 AM
Clue on my 206 - it makes me think of aeroplanes and runways...

More precisely, this one....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 02:22:26 PM
(Try overlooking that tool, Johan.  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 29, 2008, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 29, 2008, 02:22:26 PM
(Try overlooking that tool, Johan.  ;D )

(I can't, I can't!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 12:28:02 AM
Really? That doesn't jog any memories? Then I've no choice but to reveal the answer:

http://www.youtube.com/v/quv2U1_hHRQ

That's Glass, the 'Vessels' section from the score to Koyaanisqatsi. IMO (rather uncontentious, this) Glass at his very best, this whole score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 30, 2008, 12:43:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 12:28:02 AM
Really? That doesn't jog any memories? Then I've no choice but to reveal the answer:

I can't remember what I haven't seen/heard...  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 12:47:41 AM
 ;D Then you are excused! What do you make of the clip?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 30, 2008, 01:12:02 AM
The music is alright, but a bit too inoffensive... That's the difficulty I have with this kind of minimalism - it's too decorative. And singing the praises of the Car - if that's what happening in that clip - isn't exactly to my liking, either. In conclusion: I like it but it isn't nutritious enough.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 01:49:04 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 30, 2008, 01:12:02 AM
The music is alright, but a bit too inoffensive... That's the difficulty I have with this kind of minimalism - it's too decorative. And singing the praises of the Car - if that's what happening in that clip - isn't exactly to my liking, either. In conclusion: I like it but it isn't nutritious enough.

I would say the opposite is what is going on - the film is wordless, plotless, so one makes of it what one will, but the general consensus is that it is an 'environmental' film which stunningly juxtaposes images of natural beauty with manic, mindless, machinelike human activity. To emphasize this, the Hopi title translates as 'crazy life, life in turmoil, life out of balance, life disintegrating, a state of life that calls for another way of living'. Use of simple but disturbingly effective sped-up-film techniques makes us see the natural world of rocks and clouds afresh, as an organic, living thing; and also, most memorably dehumanises the individual. Shots of commuters descending subway escalators at insanely fast speeds are jammed up against shot of sausages shooting out of a machine at equally fast speeds. Sounds corny, I suppose - but it was the first film to do this, and does so with a power and conviction that I've never seen anywhere else. Ocassionally, and so poignantly, the director Reggio breaks the incessant flow with a slowed-down sequence concentrating on a single human face, or someone simply walking. So simple, this contrast in scales, but so effective.

As for the music - well, I just repeat that, though Glass is not always my cup of tea, this score is simply a masterpiece. Remember, Glass's music is all we hear for the entire duration of the film, and it evolves in a fairly small number of big slabs of which this 'Vessels' section is one. The simultaneous hyperactivity and relative stasis of Glass's score - arpeggios speed past whilst very little is happening, harmonically - is the perfect musical image to accompany both Reggio's rolling cloudscapes and his awesome cityscapes (which in the film's most striking portion, a long section entitled 'The Grid' take us from the still dead of night in a blinding accelerando of inner figuration to a kind of warp speed in which the city 'turns into' a computer chip). The section excerpted, Vessels, seems to me to be very powerful, the combination of these wordless and so-human voices (this is the first time they appear in this unaccompanied way in the film) with the machine appearing from the heat-haze touches something very deep.

Some more excerpts (indulge me!):

http://www.youtube.com/v/7a2K4pcAFIM
from the first, 'natural' half of the film.

http://www.youtube.com/v/vINtNxnGMBg
the camera starts to move, towards the city. The pulse increases... dazzling photography here

http://www.youtube.com/v/t29fgA5M7VA
'Pruit Igoe' - maybe the most famous music in the film, and the most classically dramatic

http://www.youtube.com/v/rPY6jTiCMh8
The opening 9 minutes of 'The Grid', the film's centrepiece.

http://www.youtube.com/v/oWsTIW3dKuU
The end - the film builds up to this 'triumph of the machine'; the music of the opening returns - slow, simple, mournful arpeggios slowly turn whilst the machine hurtles wildly upwards....then...


And, btw, sorry if this seems little-related to the subject at hand, but to my mind the best thing about this thread is that it is an opportunity to explore, in a random way, pieces and composers and in this case a film, that we don't know. Which is why I've also posted the odd audio clip as well.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 30, 2008, 02:15:30 AM
Thanks for the extensive exposition/introduction/rebuttal, Luke... I'll watch the clips at my leisure later today.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 30, 2008, 03:07:59 AM
Koyaanisqqatsi, hey!!

Where does the sense of nostalgia come from though? This interests me; indeed being drenched in a sense of the past particularly the 1970s/ early 80s seems to be a characteristic of minimalism sometimes (Nixon in China is another fine example). My theory is that the music senses that the period was a watershed, following which was to be the present artistic and social decline.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 30, 2008, 03:37:21 AM
Quote from: Sean on April 30, 2008, 03:07:59 AM
. . . the music senses that the period was a watershed . . . .

One of the more transparent pathetic fallacies one reads these days.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 30, 2008, 04:00:10 AM
Indeed I wish it could be read more often.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 30, 2008, 04:08:47 AM
I think you are avoiding the res, which is that no music "senses" anything, let alone your eccentric ideas of what music in our own lifetime constitutes a "watershed."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 30, 2008, 05:41:12 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 12:28:02 AM
Really? That doesn't jog any memories? Then I've no choice but to reveal the answer:

http://www.youtube.com/v/quv2U1_hHRQ

That's Glass, the 'Vessels' section from the score to Koyaanisqatsi. IMO (rather uncontentious, this) Glass at his very best, this whole score.
i like it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 12:52:13 PM
Symphonien's no 6 - Sciarrino, either Sei Quartetti Brevi or String Quartet no 7. (Perhaps....)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 30, 2008, 02:16:36 PM
I have watched all the clips and listened to the music. Glass really must have enjoyed himself. He has been endlessly inventive in finding sounds and rhythms to match the film's imagery. In this sense I can understand your phrase 'his masterpiece'. Because patterning and repetition are everything, the smallest change becomes a sensation, and the bigger one even a shock.

You have convinced me of the quality of this music. Whether the music would be my cup of tea just on its own, I don't know. But in combination with images, as is done here, it really did speak to me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 02:29:41 PM
Well, I'm really glad you found something good here. You may be right about the music on its own - I must admit that this was music I first got hold of as an impressionable teenager, long before I saw the film, and it really grabbed me then. It might not do so now - but seeing the combination of music and image years later regalvanised my enthusiasm. It's one of those films which raises so many thoughts - and without words or plot to interrupt those thoughts, your mind wanders to distant and rewarding places throughout its entire length; it's almost as if the train-of-thought one follows as one watches the film is an integral but always-new part of the experience. And of course the music is a big part of that. One of the things about the music is that it parallels the nature/human/machine themes of the images it accompanies - it is machine-like itself, with its whirring cogs at different, related speeds, and its powerful, on-off electric organs; but at the same time we hear human voices, trumpets blown by human breath etc. etc. I'm sure that, subliminally, this is one of the reasons that the music is so effective in context.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 30, 2008, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 02:29:41 PM
It's one of those films which raises so many thoughts - and without words or plot to interrupt those thoughts, your mind wanders to distant and rewarding places throughout its entire length; it's almost as if the train-of-thought one follows as one watches the film is an integral but always-new part of the experience. And of course the music is a big part of that. One of the things about the music is that it parallels the nature/human/machine themes of the images it accompanies. (...) I'm sure that, subliminally, this is one of the reasons that the music is so effective in context.

Yes, what is fascinating is that you are watching a kind of philosophy of technology in the shape of a 'music-enhanced' film. No, even better: film and music seems to be two sides of the same philosophical argument that is the film. And the whole issue of programme music vs. absolute music seems to be resolved here - you can't tell whether the music 'begot' the image or vice versa. The balance is perfect.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 30, 2008, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on April 30, 2008, 04:08:47 AM
I think you are avoiding the res, which is that no music "senses" anything, let alone your eccentric ideas of what music in our own lifetime constitutes a "watershed."

Koyannisqqatsi was one of the very last important musical works to be produced. There's been virtually nothing, no let me rephrase that, nothing of real substance and value written since the mid-1980s.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 30, 2008, 03:42:01 PM
Quote from: Sean on April 30, 2008, 03:37:42 PM
Koyannisqqatsi was one of the very last important musical works to be produced. There's been virtually nothing, no let me rephrase that, nothing of real substance and value written since the mid-1980s.

to your knowledge.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 30, 2008, 04:04:57 PM
Obviously you are greatly in the minority opinion here (at least amongst the people on this thread!), but maybe you should explain what you mean by "real substance and value". Carter's later works, though they hark back to an earlier age, I would suggest are an example of this.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 30, 2008, 04:59:48 PM
Carter!?!

I thought you were trying to argue against me not for me!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 30, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Sean on April 30, 2008, 04:59:48 PM
Carter!?!

I thought you were trying to argue against me not for me!

Then you at least acknowledge the work Carter produced until 1985.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on April 30, 2008, 05:41:50 PM
Well I think he had a neoclassical phase in the 60s didn't he?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 30, 2008, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: Sean on April 30, 2008, 05:41:50 PM
Well I think he had a neoclassical phase in the 60s didn't he?

The 1930s and 40s, following his study with Nadia Boulanger.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on April 30, 2008, 11:04:30 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 12:52:13 PM
Symphonien's no 6 - Sciarrino, either Sei Quartetti Brevi or String Quartet no 7. (Perhaps....)

Very good!! It is the Sei Quartetti Brevi. I like the curvy lines he uses above the notes to indicate sul tasto/ponticello.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on April 30, 2008, 11:15:08 PM
Quote from: Symphonien on April 30, 2008, 11:04:30 PM
Very good!! It is the Sei Quartetti Brevi. I like the curvy lines he uses above the notes to indicate sul tasto/ponticello.

;D I suddenly realised I recognised the handwriting from other Sciarrino scores I have (whether it's the copyist or Sciarrino's own I don't know). So from there it was a process of elimination. Of the two I suggested I had an inkling it would be the first merely because the character of the music looked as if it belonged to a) an earlier work and b) a work whose title sounds as if it would be made up of more epigrammatic, texturally exploratory sections. But I wasn't brave enough to plump for it alone  :-[

Quote from: Sean on April 30, 2008, 03:37:42 PM
Koyannisqqatsi was one of the very last important musical works to be produced. There's been virtually nothing, no let me rephrase that, nothing of real substance and value written since the mid-1980s.

Not even in the works of Glass himself? Or, say, Adams, or other minimalist?  ???

Still, glad Koyaanisqatsi's got you all talking...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 30, 2008, 11:29:07 PM
Protecting Veil and Different trains, to name two extremely famous works of the late eightees in a minimalist style that I guess have "real substance" in whatever terms you are talking about. I'd really like to know exactly what you mean. I guess you reject atonality of any sort if you reject Carter - I don't really see the sense in that... you are rejecting a very large body of works that are very enjoyable, at least to me and many others on this forum.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 12:48:07 AM
Quote from: Guido on April 30, 2008, 11:29:07 PM
Protecting Veil and Different trains, to name two extremely famous works of the late eightees in a minimalist style that I guess have "real substance" in whatever terms you are talking about. I'd really like to know exactly what you mean. I guess you reject atonality of any sort if you reject Carter - I don't really see the sense in that... you are rejecting a very large body of works that are very enjoyable, at least to me and many others on this forum.

I think to Sean a phrase like 'real substance' isn't quite the relatively open-ended form of praise for a 'profound' piece which it might be for everyone else; instead it has a very narrowly determined meaning which (coincidentally  ;D ) chimes with Sean's own views on The World. In other words, though the works you mention may well have substance for many other listeners, it's not the sort of substance which Sean thinks is really the substance that counts. So they don't! And actually, I can see the logic in this part of Sean's position - he has strongly held core beliefs (we may or may not agree with them) and he judges music accordingly. Quite harshly, we might feel, but consistently at any rate. Though I still don't see how the Glass of the early 80s can have substance according to Sean's criteria whilst the Glass of a few years later (of Powaqatsi, for instance) cannot...

In a more extreme, less logical and more unpleasant form, we see a darker side of this sort of self-sufficient and circular thinking in Rod Corkin, for whom the phrase 'great' has a precisely fixed meaning, which is 'written by Beethoven or Handel'. Rod therefore frees himself to say with impunity and in a self-satisfied way that Mozart, Bach, Schubert, Haydn and all the rest are not great, and that those who think they are are brainwashed fools unable to accept the truth.  ::) Rod, of course, being such a fine example of an open and accepting mind....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 01, 2008, 01:14:35 AM
Rod enjoys the luxury of a non-developing mind. I have registered at his site, and have tried to extend his range. To no avail.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 01:16:23 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 01, 2008, 01:14:35 AM
Rod enjoys the luxury of a non-developing mind.

The irony! In a Beethoven fan....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 01, 2008, 01:23:03 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 01:16:23 AM
The irony! In a Beethoven fan....

;D Exactly. I don't think he 'gets' Beethoven - for me the artist of growth and evolution -, otherwise he would apply him to life and art in general.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 01:33:58 AM
Shall I give some clues on my remaining 7?

(these are the real numbers, as given in the list, not the incorrect numbers I gave the files themselves)

212 - actually, this piece was given as a guess for another piece on this thread. If you look at the page carefully, you will very likely be able to identify it.

215 - a notational experiment - an attempt to do away with 'tuplet' figures and brackets and replace them with noteheads of different shapes. One of music's great experimenters (but most excitingly for him, he once met Janacek...that's not really part of the clue though, just an excuse for me to mention the big J again  ;D ;D ;D )

217 - a hommage to an earlier composer, written (IIRC) for that composer's centenary by one of the most famous radicals of the 20th century. A very short, pithy title.

219 - composer much more famous as a legendary pianist; he recorded this piece and it is available on one of the great CDs, though it isn't the major draw. Examine the piece carefully and you might notice something somewhat unusual about its layout.

221 - Messiaen, as has been guessed - and it looks like no-one else, does it!? One of his lesser-known pieces, not part of a larger set. But recorded and not completely obscure.

223 - this one is really hard, to be fair, even though the title is left in - it's quite an unhelpful title, though. I just really like the sound of this piece, and it's an excuse to post an audio clip later for those who might be interested in hearing something so odd. As you can see, the piece progresses mostly in harmonics, and the guitar is tuned microtonally - the whole thing, as the indication says 'with rapt concentration, as if telling a strange tale'. British composer, quite obscure but linked to the complexity group (if there is such a thing), has written many similarly titled pieces for piano, all of which explore the instrument in similar ways.

224 - this is a piano reduction of an orchestral score, but one of the weirdest ones I've seen. At some points - like here - the composer (who seems to be responsible for the reduction) includes pretty much everything, resulting in music which is utterly unplayable. At other points, the reduction is rather thin and lots is missed out that really ought to be there. I can't see any consistency in this approach. The original piece is a symphonic poem but was intended to be a ballet whose scenario includes a virgin and a monster or two; each action is indicated in the score. It is incredibly orchestrated and includes parts for viola d'amore and violinophone (the latter a violin attached to a horn, invented by the composer who has been called by a reputable voice the finest orchestrator of all).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 01, 2008, 02:40:38 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 01, 2008, 01:23:03 AM
;D Exactly. I don't think he 'gets' Beethoven.

I don't think he gets anything.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 01, 2008, 02:50:49 AM
Luke, well indeed I was thinking of equating substance with profundity- my view of things is in a way narrow, in the same sort of way that quality is something narrow, and chimes with what I feel is a view of art as intimately connected with the reality we live in. As you know, that's to say art isn't any old abstract sphere of 'meaning' the likes of the unsophisticated Carter et al brain manufactures, but refers to aspects of lived reality whose logic has transcendental grounding. Ie tonality.

Powaqatsi isn't as strong a piece at all. But the Distant lands, Africa bit at least is classic Glass.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 02:57:56 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 01, 2008, 02:50:49 AM
Luke, well indeed I was thinking of equating substance with profundity- my view of things is in a way narrow, in the same sort of way that quality is something narrow, and chimes with what I feel is a view of art as intimately connected with the reality we live in. As you know, that's to say art isn't any old abstract sphere of 'meaning' the likes of the unsophisticated Carter et al brain manufactures, but refers to aspects of lived reality whose logic has transcendental grounding. Ie tonality.

Let's not there here, though, hey?  :) ;D It's been rather amazing that we haven't had a serious anti-modern thread for quite along time, and I'm rather enjoying not having to rehash all those old arguments again (and again and again....).


Quote from: Sean on May 01, 2008, 02:50:49 AM
Powaqatsi isn't as strong a piece at all. But the Distant lands, Africa bit at least is classic Glass.

Actually, I agree about the Powaqatsi music - it has great moments, but is nothing like as powerful as Koyaanisqatsi. But nevertheless, it comes 'from the same place', and I'd have thought that if the earlier work struck you as of substance, the later one would too. Or at least be in the same ballpark.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 01, 2008, 03:14:10 AM
No, no- the dust is settled on things for me in that area.

The non-Western musics he included didn't work that well in the sequel; I understand there's a recent third addition though, which would be nice to get into.

Must log off & go home...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 03:31:06 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 01, 2008, 03:14:10 AM
The non-Western musics he included didn't work that well in the sequel; I understand there's a recent third addition though, which would be nice to get into.

I thought that was the worst of the bunch, both musically and visually, but I suppose I ought to see it again to be fair to it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 01, 2008, 04:51:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 01:33:58 AM

215 - a notational experiment - an attempt to do away with 'tuplet' figures and brackets and replace them with noteheads of different shapes. One of music's great experimenters (but most excitingly for him, he once met Janacek...that's not really part of the clue though, just an excuse for me to mention the big J again  ;D ;D ;D )

I was wondering about this "shape note" music. It doesn't quite look like something that came from the Sacred Harp.

Quote
224 - this is a piano reduction of an orchestral score, but one of the weirdest ones I've seen. At some points - like here - the composer (who seems to be responsible for the reduction) includes pretty much everything, resulting in music which is utterly unplayable. At other points, the reduction is rather thin and lots is missed out that really ought to be there. I can't see any consistency in this approach. The original piece is a symphonic poem but was intended to be a ballet whose scenario includes a virgin and a monster or two; each action is indicated in the score. It is incredibly orchestrated and includes parts for viola d'amore and violinophone (the latter a violin attached to a horn, invented by the composer who has been called by a reputable voice the finest orchestrator of all).

The only orchestral work I know of that includes a violinophone is Villa Lobos' Uirapuru. I recall playing that piece and talking to a violinist who was looking at his part and saying "violinophone, what the heck is that???"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 01, 2008, 05:00:33 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 01, 2008, 04:51:07 AM
I was wondering about this "shape note" music. It doesn't quite look like something that came from the Sacred Harp.

;D No, not exactly the Sacred harp, more the ........no, that would be too much of a clue

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 01, 2008, 04:51:07 AMThe only orchestral work I know of that includes a violinophone is Villa Lobos' Uirapuru. I recall playing that piece and talking to a violinist who was looking at his part and saying "violinophone, what the heck is that???"

Well, you are very, very close indeed with this.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 02, 2008, 01:02:05 AM
OT, but watching the Pruit Igoe video I'm stuck, as ever, by the character of American architecture and the deep sense of mystery and emptiness (not necessarily in a bad sense), and people-lessnes- all as in Hopper's paintings. I've asked about this before but nobody seems to have any explanantions for it: is this strong aesthetic character of America, and the West, an expression of the baselessness of our civilization? (eg the serious emerging problems of postmodernism, democracy, oil).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 02, 2008, 01:06:15 AM
I mean, it's like the world is already abandoned.

Anyway, there's a much better recording of the music- I have it in the 5CD film music set, but I forget the performers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 02, 2008, 01:57:14 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 02, 2008, 01:02:05 AM
OT, but watching the Pruit Igoe video I'm stuck, as ever, by the character of American architecture and the deep sense of mystery and emptiness (not necessarily in a bad sense), and people-lessnes- all as in Hopper's paintings. I've asked about this before but nobody seems to have any explanantions for it: is this strong aesthetic character of America, and the West, an expression of the baselessness of our civilization? (eg the serious emerging problems of postmodernism, democracy, oil).

OT - I don't have the time to go into all this. But I suggest you read French philosopher Paul Virilio, who writes about the relation between speed, power, the desert, the destruction of space (and habitation) in favour of time. There is also Baudrillard, whom I haven't read directly, but indirectly through all the references to him I have come across through the years - he has written about America and exactly that 'emptiness' you mention (which is like a screen you can project things on). Look them up. Their language takes some getting used to, but once you 'crack the code', they are very stimulating. You can find several interviews with Virilio online. Don't know about Baudriilard, though.

I also think you should distinguish between the USA and Europe, they are very different in their history and, subsequently, sense of history, and historic destiny (and destination).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 02, 2008, 02:55:10 AM
Many thank Jezetha. Baudriilard I've read a little of- he's a heavyweight relativist deconstructionist and too objectionable and infuriating to persist with for long. But I haven't heard of Virilio and will have to see what he's got to say. Don't you think it's peculiar though- the facades of American buildings just don't look real, the regular interiors of corridors have this weird ethereal distanced quality and dark moodiness, and things like tunnels or curving pathways can have this reverberating presence to them, with nobody there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 02, 2008, 03:11:26 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 02, 2008, 02:55:10 AM
Many thank Jezetha. Baudriilard I've read a little of- he's a heavyweight relativist deconstructionist and too objectionable and infuriating to persist with for long. But I haven't heard of Virilio and will have to see what he's got to say. Don't you think it's peculiar though- the facades of American buildings just don't look real, the regular interiors of corridors have this weird ethereal distanced quality and dark moodiness, and things like tunnels or curving pathways can have this reverberating presence to them, with nobody there.

Although you find him infuriating, Baudrillard actually says something quite similar, Sean, and much much more. Sometimes it is advantageous to rise above feelings of distaste to see what is there to be learned. I don't like Heidegger very much, for instance, but there are some aspects of his later thinking about technology I find fascinating. So, I think you really should give Baudrillard another chance. Have a look at his 'America' (there are excerpts, use Google, and there is Amazon, of course).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 02, 2008, 03:22:30 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 02, 2008, 02:55:10 AM
Baudriilard I've read a little of- he's a heavyweight relativist deconstructionist and too objectionable and infuriating to persist with for long.

I think we've found paulb's long-lost brother . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 02, 2008, 03:23:23 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 02, 2008, 03:11:26 AM
. . . So, I think you really should give Baudrillard another chance.

paulob only needs 60 seconds to determine the worth of a half-hour symphony . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 02, 2008, 03:26:39 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 02, 2008, 01:02:05 AM
OT, but watching the Pruit Igoe video I'm stuck, as ever, by the character of American architecture and the deep sense of mystery and emptiness (not necessarily in a bad sense), and people-lessnes- all as in Hopper's paintings. I've asked about this before but nobody seems to have any explanantions for it: is this strong aesthetic character of America, and the West, an expression of the baselessness of our civilization? (eg the serious emerging problems of postmodernism, democracy, oil).

Whilst trying to track down a screenshot of the Koyaanisqatsi aeroplane for this thread I discovered that the architect of Pruit Igoe complex was also the architect of the World Trade Centre - Minoru Yamasaki. I'm not sure if that will appeal to your conspiracy theories in some way, Sean!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 02, 2008, 03:29:38 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 02, 2008, 03:23:23 AM
paulob only needs 60 seconds to determine the worth of a half-hour symphony . . . .

Yes, a pity I can't be that quick.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 02, 2008, 03:33:19 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 02, 2008, 03:22:30 AM
I think we've found paulb's long-lost brother . . . .

I thought you meant Baudrillard first time I read that, not Sean. Paul Baudrillard...hmm, yes, it has a ring to it. And both penetrating analysts of the world we live in, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 02, 2008, 11:19:21 PM
Okay Jezetha, I'll have a look this afternoon.

Luke, are you saying those demolished buildings in the film were by the same architect as the WTO? It fits exactly then doesn't it?- the nostalgia and beautiful sadness of the music, American unreality, and the WTO.

By the way, did anyone else think in the back of their minds that the WTO always had to come down in some kind of disaster? The 1993 attack on itt brought me round to this- because it was the centrepiece of NYC, the capital of the world, and there's something profoundly unstable about our world.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 02, 2008, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Sean on May 02, 2008, 11:19:21 PM
Okay Jezetha, I'll have a look this afternoon.

Luke, are you saying those demolished buildings in the film were by the same architect as the WTO?

According to the article I read by Alex Ross (http://www.therestisnoise.com/2005/06/koyaanisqatsi.html), yes. To quote

Quote from: Alex RossTo depict the decay and destruction of the Pruitt-Igoe housing complex, in St. Louis, the composer writes a monstrous neo-Baroque moto perpetuo, which, as the buildings fall, devolves into nothing more than descending scales. (This footage has become more haunting with time; Minoru Yamasaki, who designed Pruitt-Igoe, was also the architect of the World Trade Center.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 02, 2008, 11:34:28 PM
Oh hi there Luke. Drinking beer here in an internet cafe, kind of bored, especially after reading a chunk of dodgy thinking from Baudrillard (he argues against jogging as part of his social critique...).

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 02, 2008, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: Sean on May 02, 2008, 11:34:28 PM
Oh hi there Luke. Drinking beer here in an internet cafe, kind of bored, especially after reading a chunk of dodgy thinking from Baudrillard (he argues against jogging as part of his social critique...).

You are clearly still not getting on with our friend B...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 03:23:03 AM
Let's get on track with an at-present pertinent score sample:

LO 226
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2008, 03:51:46 AM
More Grainger?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 04:05:49 AM
No, though I see why you'd say that. More recent, and, to be fair, not representative of the usual idea of this composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 04:18:03 AM
My first idea was Birtwistle...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 04:49:47 AM
Seriously???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 05:12:53 AM
Sorry - did I shock you?  ;D

No, I don't know...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 03, 2008, 06:33:24 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 02, 2008, 11:19:21 PM
By the way, did anyone else think in the back of their minds that the WTO always had to come down in some kind of disaster?

What does WTO stand for?  I take it you mean the WTC (World Trade Center).

No, I didn't think any such thing in the back of my mind.  You might benefit, Sean, from reflecting why you always desired such a thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 03, 2008, 06:56:00 AM
Exactly; so is that what Sean is talking about?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 07:12:49 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 03, 2008, 06:56:00 AM
Exactly; so is that what Sean is talking about?

(You are reacting to this, aren't you, Karl:

http://www.wto.org/

I removed it because I thought it was too obvious.)

Yes, Sean, your Freudian slip must betoken something... !
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:14:09 AM
I prepared these last night, so I might as well post them. The more the merrier! (Or perhaps not!)

Some are very hard, and I haven't always left titles in this time, but as I always try to I've chosen ones that look intruiging/different/complex/amusing, or whose composers turn out to be interesting. If they don't succeed, forgive me - it's getting a little harder to find such things now I'm getting close to 250! For me the point is less the finding than the music itself - an excuse to present all sorts of weird and wonderful items....

LO 227, 228, 229, 230
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:15:19 AM
LO 231, 232, 233, 234

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:16:30 AM
LO 235, 236, 237, 238
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:17:05 AM
LO 239
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:18:51 AM
The current list as it stands, and the links to the old one

part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Reinhold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Muperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 03, 2008, 10:29:06 AM
LO 227 is the first of Schoenberg's op. 22 songs (reduced score), before the voice enters.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:34:31 AM
Yes!  :) The reduced score is incredible, actually - this is how Schoenberg composed it i.e. as his final version. It's a kind of short score, but with every single detail of the implied full score included so that a full score could be constructed from it. So, an[other] experiment, one that didn't really come off in the end, as the result, supposed to simplify things, actually makes for complex reading. As a result, this score remains a unique example AFAIK.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 11:41:47 AM
# 230 - Wagner, Meistersinger (in an English translation!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 11:44:25 AM
Well, you spotted the quotation, anyway! Fantastic words here (and elsewhere in this piece): 'Never be clever for the sake of showing off....' the music says, as it proceeds to get very clever indeed. It's a piece that is self-illustrating - the words allude to what the music is doing at every point.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 12:33:20 PM
# 231 - Othmar Schoeck, Der Buchenwald ist herbstlich schon gerötet (poem by Lenau)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 01:56:21 PM
That's sort of right, but I'm not sure if its counts!  ;D Which song-cycle?

In the meantime, because I can't resist it, here is the song (low bitrate again), in the voice+ensemble version - one of my very favourite things in music, and I'm not exaggerating. This is simply magical, the first Schoeck I ever heard - it grabbed me right away and led to quite an obsessive Schoeck-collecting habit, though for all the extreme beauty of his output nothing has ever hit me with quite the power of this song and the rest of the exquisite cycle from which it is drawn. The poem compares the forest in autumn to a sick man in his bed, and Schoeck chooses to set this as a series of very slow, shallow rising-and-fallings, the orchestra and voice essentially repeating the same little swelling and dying phrase with small variations, over and over, like an invalid's failing breath. Well, just listen to it....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 01:56:21 PM
That's sort of right, but I'm not sure if its counts!  ;D Which song-cycle?

In the meantime, because I can't resist it, here is the song (low bitrate again), in the voice+ensemble version - one of my very favourite things in music, and I'm not exaggerating. This is simply magical, the first Schoeck I ever heard - it grabbed me right away and led to quite an obsessive Schoeck-collecting habit, though for all the extreme beauty of his output nothing has ever hit me with quite the power of this song and the rest of the exquisite cycle from which it is drawn. The poem compares the forest in autumn to a sick man in his bed, and Schoeck chooses to set this as a series of very slow, shallow rising-and-fallings, the orchestra and voice essentially repeating the same little swelling and dying phrase with small variations, over and over, like an invalid's failing breath. Well, just listen to it....

Elegie, op. 36 (1922)  ;D

I'll listen...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 02:07:37 PM
Good.

And, Good.

edit - btw the song is called Herbstgefuhl 2 in the Elegie.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 02:15:46 PM
Yes, a wonderfully hypnotic song, Luke - as you say, it remains rooted to the spot and at the same time things glide evermore downward, like a slowly falling leaf. 'Autumnal' indeed!

I really must listen to his 'Penthesilea' (I love Kleist's play, so seeing what Schoeck does with it is a fascinating prospect).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 02:26:43 PM
Penthesilea is very different, I must say - not really comparable with this song, though very fine in its own way. The opera Venus is very beautiful, but the songs are really the core of things - there are many fine song cycles, available in equally fine readings by singers such as Fischer-Dieskau. But I'd recommend above all hearing this Elegie, which is like the rotting, fading late-Romantic flip-side of Schumann's Eichendorff Liederkreis, moving towards a cathartic and truly Brahmsian conclusion. After that, I'd try things such as the Notturno for baritone and string quartet, which is a work of extraordinary quality, detail and impact.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 02:26:43 PM
Penthesilea is very different, I must say - not really comparable with this song, though very fine in its own way. The opera Venus is very beautiful, but the songs are really the core of things - there are many fine song cycles, available in equally fine readings by singers such as Fischer-Dieskau. But I'd recommend above all hearing this Elegie, which is like the rotting, fading late-Romantic flip-side of Schumann's Eichendorff Liederkreis, moving towards a cathartic and truly Brahmsian conclusion. After that, I'd try things such as the Notturno for baritone and string quartet, which is a work of extraordinary quality, detail and impact.

Recommendations duly noted. (Schumann's Eichendorff Liederkreis is one of my favourite cycles of the Romantic period, by the way. Come to think of it - Schumann also has those trance-like, spellbound passages as in Herbstgefühl 2...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 03, 2008, 02:49:02 PM
LO 235 is Rachmaninov's G minor Piano Trio.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 03, 2008, 02:35:48 PM
Recommendations duly noted. (Schumann's Eichendorff Liederkreis is one of my favourite cycles of the Romantic period, by the way. Come to think of it - Schumann also has those trance-like, spellbound passages as in Herbstgefühl 2...)

Yes, the Schumann is one of my favourites too - it's just a sequence of gems! I mentioned it specifically, because Schoeck sets some of the same poems in the Elegie - and Schumann's vernal, early Romantic woodland visions turn into something more meditative, more aware of decay. The two complement each other very well.

Guido - yes, that's right.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 03:07:52 PM
# 230 - Glenn Gould, "So you want to write a fugue?"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 03:24:42 PM
That's the one! Want to hear a file of that one too? Very clever stuff!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 03:26:39 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 03:24:42 PM
That's the one! Want to hear a file of that one too? Very clever stuff!

Yes! I need a lullaby (1.26 AM...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
Might have to hold fire on that one for now....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2008, 03:43:41 PM
236 is from Britten's settings of seven Michelangelo sonnets, #3 I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 03, 2008, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
Might have to hold fire on that one for now....

Then I'll have to get to sleep without Glenn Gould's support...

Good night.

Johan

# 237 - Wyschnegradsky, 'Etude sur le carré magique sonore', opus 40 (1956)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2008, 05:37:42 PM
I'll put up a few:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2008, 05:39:56 PM
Four more:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 03, 2008, 05:56:08 PM
The first of Szforzando's 2nd group is Ruggles' Sun Treader

The third of the same group is the Finale of Berwald's 3rd Symphony.

The fourth of that group is from Rimsky's Le Coq d'or
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 03, 2008, 05:59:44 PM
Sfz2 is obviously Feldman, but there isn't a solo piano piece (as I assume this is) in his Durations series so I guess that this is part of his Last Pieces for Piano?

Cheers for the Sun Treader - fantastic looking score and a fantastic piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2008, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 03, 2008, 05:59:44 PM
Sfz2 is obviously Feldman, but there isn't a solo piano piece (as I assume this is) in his Durations series so I guess that this is part of his Last Pieces for Piano?

Cheers for the Sun Treader - fantastic looking score and a fantastic piece.

Well done so far, gentlemen. Four correct identifications out of eight samples. The Feldman is indeed from Last Pieces. Keep going.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 03, 2008, 06:06:15 PM
The third of Szforzando's first group is clearly by Ferneyhough. Superscriptio perhaps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 03, 2008, 07:55:25 PM
Sfz1 is Little White Donkey by Ibert I think... I remember people playing that at school.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2008, 08:38:00 PM
My examples are evidently far too easy, except perhaps for two of them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 09:54:07 PM
More posted while I slumber sweetly....of the remainder, no 2 (i.e. Sfz's 3rd one so far) is Griffes, The White Peacock. 100% sure, so I've included it on the list.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:22:57 PM
Is your remaining one the Liber Scriptus which Verdi originally wrote for the Manzoni Requiem before turning it into the version we all know in 1875?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
Oh, and of course, the guesses of Britten (LO 236, Sforzando) and Wyschnegradsky (LO 237, Johan) are correct. That Wyschnegradsky is an amazing piece. (So is the Britten, of course, but then we'd only expect that of him)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 04, 2008, 02:34:58 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 03, 2008, 10:22:57 PM
Is your remaining one the Liber Scriptus which Verdi originally wrote for the Manzoni Requiem before turning it into the version we all know in 1875?

Yes it is. Obviously all eight of mine were too simple. I will have to ransack the shelves for some real obscurities.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 04, 2008, 02:42:29 AM
Yes, please do. And I'll stay up later tonight just in case!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 04, 2008, 08:19:20 AM
Yeesh up at 6.45am on a Sunday Luke! Well I almost was but that's because I didn't go to sleep until then!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 04, 2008, 08:29:23 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 04, 2008, 08:19:20 AM
Yeesh up at 6.45am on a Sunday Luke! Well I almost was but that's because I didn't go to sleep until then!

Small children, Guido!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 04, 2008, 12:47:07 PM
What the hell....

LO 240, 241, 242, 243
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 04, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
LO 244, 245, 246, 247
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 04, 2008, 12:54:31 PM
# 241 Jean Francaix - 5th movement from 'La Promenade d’un musicologue éclectique'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 04, 2008, 01:01:40 PM
Too good. Or maybe I should stop leaving these titles in.....  ;D Funny how those ones seem to go first!

Those footnotes at the bottom, unreadable at the resolution here, say things such as:

1) brief meditation, right hand on the keys
2) left hand in Glenn Gould position
...
6) raise the hands slowly, while contemplating the sky in meditative inspiration, then let them drop again feebly

Other movements include hommages to Handel and Ravel, a 'Hommage a Domenico Scarlatti (Couronne par Beethoven et par Mendelssohn, sous le regard complice de Debussy)', and a 'Hommage a Adolphe Adam (De l'Institute)'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 04, 2008, 03:00:44 PM
LO 246 is perhaps Beethovens "Equale" for four trombones?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 04, 2008, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 04, 2008, 03:00:44 PM
LO 246 is perhaps Beethovens "Equale" for four trombones?

I'm not Luke, but I'm pretty sure you're right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 04, 2008, 05:55:29 PM
I am, and so am I (pretty sure you're right, that is!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 04, 2008, 06:17:24 PM
Bedtime...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 01:13:10 AM
Good morning!

Just to get myself to 250, and then I'll stop for a bit - promise!

LO 248, 249, 250

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 04:11:06 AM
250, in those teeny tiny little notes, is the great passage in the center of Stockhausen's Gruppen, where the brass from all three orchestras sound a set of chords that are meant to be heard stereophonically across the hall.

I've never heard Gruppen live. On the one occasion I met Pierre Boulez, I asked him if he'd consider doing it in New York, and he said there is no suitable venue for performing it here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 05, 2008, 04:15:42 AM
LO 249 actually has the words "Opus Clavicembalisticum" written at the bottom. I'm going to assume it actually is part of that work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 04:38:28 AM
Sforzando - Gruppen is correct. Of course I chose this fantastic passage deliberately.

Mark - you saw the reference to the O.C., but it's mentioned there because the music at this point quotes that huge work's first fugue subject; on the next page (the last of this brief, four page work) that fugue subject is built up into a large canon before the final flourish. However, though the piece isn't by Sorabji, he is 'the subject' of the music.

Like my no 219 (and also my no 234, though I haven't said that until now) the composer of this no 249 is best known as a pianist. And whilst I'm in a clue-giving mood, the composer of my 212 is in more roughly equal proportions both composer and pianist, if that helps you there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 05:13:48 AM
Does anyone have the amazing, and sexual, climactic moments of the Shostakovich Sixth symphony scherzo? One of the few scores I followed closely years ago.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 05:25:35 AM
Not closely enough, if you imagine anything sexual about it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 05:28:52 AM
Not closely enough if you don't.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 05:32:12 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 05, 2008, 05:28:52 AM
Not closely enough if you don't.

Have you met Teresa yet? she also likes to have orgasms while listening to classical music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 05:32:41 AM
The moments certainly lift my spirits. But, so far, nothing more.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Harry on May 05, 2008, 05:33:34 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 05, 2008, 05:13:48 AM
Does anyone have the amazing, and sexual, climactic moments of the Shostakovich Sixth symphony scherzo? One of the few scores I followed closely years ago.

You have those moments with a nice woman Sean, but hardly with scores. ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 05:43:15 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 05:25:35 AM
Not closely enough, if you imagine anything sexual about it.

This act of denying everything that Sean says, is getting a little tiresome now Karl. You know it might be time to stop when you start telling people that they are wrong about their own reactions to music...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 05:48:38 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 05, 2008, 05:43:15 AM
This act of denying everything that Sean says, is getting a little tiresome now Karl. You know it might be time to stop when you start telling people that they are wrong about their own reactions to music...

Thanks, Guido.  I apologize, personally, to you if I have allowed it to seem that I am quarreling with Sean's personal reactions to music;  though, in fact, it seems strange to me if you feel that I do not permit everyone his own perception of . . . whatever (something which I believe I made amply clear in various remarks on the Gibberish thread).  I am such a dullard, though, Guido, that it has seemed to me that Sean was claiming this to be a property of the music;  what an ass Shostakovich was, writing a sexual symphony in the Soviet Union when the Terror was not quite passed! The chump would have deserved execution.

I will cease to try to engage Sean in intelligent discourse, Guido. Your message reminds me of the pointlessness of that exercise.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 05:54:33 AM
Teresa?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 05:56:01 AM
Quote from: Harry on May 05, 2008, 05:33:34 AM
You have those moments with a nice woman Sean, but hardly with scores. ???

I fear for the stains on Sean's copy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 05:57:14 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 05, 2008, 05:54:33 AM
Teresa?

Aye, Teresa. Surely a genius like you doesn't need more exposition than that.

And seriously, Sean: this is a really good thread. Would you mind not derailing it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:01:03 AM
I have a (stain-free) copy of the score. Let me see if I can track down the moment in question...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:10:40 AM
Is this the passage you mean? - hillariously, my scanner seems to have prudishly gone soft-focus on the climactic chord in question!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:12:07 AM
...very beginning of post-coital diminuendo.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:17:41 AM
That's what Monica Lewinsky said, though...

I'm with Karl - I can't really hear this as sexual. But if you're really looking for such things, Sean, try that John Adams one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg95922.html#msg95922) I posted long ago - I also put up a clip of the passage in question somewhere deep in this thread. Oh yes, here it is (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg97180.html#msg97180)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 06:38:32 AM
Quotehillariously, my scanner seems to have prudishly gone soft-focus on the climactic chord in question!
Haha Luke!

Quote from: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 05:48:38 AM
Thanks, Guido.  I apologize, personally, to you if I have allowed it to seem that I am quarreling with Sean's personal reactions to music;  though, in fact, it seems strange to me if you feel that I do not permit everyone his own perception of . . . whatever (something which I believe I made amply clear in various remarks on the Gibberish thread).  I am such a dullard, though, Guido, that it has seemed to me that Sean was claiming this to be a property of the music;  what an ass Shostakovich was, writing a sexual symphony in the Soviet Union when the Terror was not quite passed! The chump would have deserved execution.

I will cease to try to engage Sean in intelligent discourse, Guido. Your message reminds me of the pointlessness of that exercise.

I didn't mean to upset you, and this is not an attack on you, just a general observation about your generally hostile attitude to some posters on this board (e.g. previously 71dB). It's not a matter of who we agree with or not, but rather the way we approach people with wildly differing opinions. Some people might find those sorts of posts rather alienating.

Anyway, not to worry too much! I'm sure that Sean doesn't really mind - he must like the reactions he gets on some level or he wouldn't keep coming back! I'd forgotten how enjoyable the sixth symphony was actually. Listened to the tenth twice yesterday - what a piece!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 06:44:48 AM
But Guido, I am not hostile to Sean in the least; I have much better uses for my energies.  Nor do I think it my fault that he does not decently repay the patience of others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 06:47:07 AM
And again, if Sean is finding anything "sexual" in the Shostakovich Opus 54, then that is not a matter of, erm, closeness to the score, but of his characteristic navel-gazing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:48:42 AM
Oi - lest we forget, omphaloskepsis is my domain!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 06:49:10 AM
Fair enough... I was just saying what my reaction to your posts was. I'm hardly going to tell you how to act!
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:48:42 AM
Oi - lest we forget, omphaloskepsis is my domain!!

Quite!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 05, 2008, 06:49:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:10:40 AM
Is this the passage you mean? - hillariously, my scanner seems to have prudishly gone soft-focus on the climactic chord in question!
nice..... here i am just happy to see 2 pages of the score!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 06:54:06 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 05, 2008, 06:42:07 AM
I have removed mine, Sforzando, so if you remove your reaction, then this thread will have been cleaned up...

Children, you can come and play again!  ;)

OK fine, Jez. I have removed my reaction, which means you can remove your reaction to my reaction, as well as your instruction to remove my original reaction, after which I can remove my reaction to your instruction to remove my reaction.

Now, if we could only remove Sean....  :D

(But as this is part of my reaction to your instruction to remove my reaction, it will be removed too, so long as no one reacts to my reaction to Johan's instruction to remove my reaction.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:56:50 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 05, 2008, 06:49:10 AM
Quite!!!

(not that I've been able to devote much time to the outpost recently...)

Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 05, 2008, 06:49:52 AM
nice..... here i am just happy to see 2 pages of the score!  :D

Well, get ready to explode with joy then, Greg - here are all the other pages, plus no 5 thrown in for free!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 06:57:19 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 06:54:06 AM
OK fine, Jez. I have removed my reaction, which means you can remove your reaction to my reaction, as well as your instruction to remove my original reaction, after which I can remove my reaction to your instruction to remove my reaction.

Now, if we could only remove Sean....  :D

(But as this is part of my reaction to your instruction to remove my reaction, it will be removed too, so long as no one reacts to my reaction to Johan's instruction to remove my reaction.)

Oh dear... Looks like I just did. Right here. Right. Now.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 06:54:06 AM
OK fine, Jez. I have removed my reaction, which means you can remove your reaction to my reaction, as well as your instruction to remove my original reaction, after which I can remove my reaction to your instruction to remove my reaction.

Now, if we could only remove Sean....  :D

(But as this is part of my reaction to your instruction to remove my reaction, it will be removed too, so long as no one reacts to my reaction to Johan's instruction to remove my reaction.)

Yes, but what about my reaction to Johan's reaction. That puts a spanner in the works...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 06:59:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:48:42 AM
Oi - lest we forget, omphaloskepsis is my domain!!

On that point, my memory is positively elephantine, Luke  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 06:59:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:56:50 AM
(not that I've been able to devote much time to the outpost recently...)

Well, get ready to explode with joy then, Greg - here are all the other pages, plus no 5 thrown in for free!!!

A joygasm perhaps? Oh dear... maybe this will need removing too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 07:01:30 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 05, 2008, 06:59:43 AM
A joygasm perhaps? Oh dear... maybe this will need removing too.

Not until I've quoted it, thank you very much...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 07:02:16 AM
Curiouser and curiouser!  ;D

Any scannable Bax symphony nearby, Luke? I'd dearly like to see a page...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 05, 2008, 07:02:53 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 05, 2008, 06:59:43 AM
A joygasm perhaps? Oh dear... maybe this will need removing too.
No, not until he posts every single page of the 4th, 10th and 14th symphonies.

If you want me to explode.......  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 07:04:55 AM
Bax - my Achilles heel (OK, one of them - if Achilles were a millipede that would start to account for the deficiencies in my score collection). Of Bax, I only have the piano music, plus a couple of chamber pieces.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 07:06:00 AM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 05, 2008, 07:02:53 AM
No, not until he posts every single page of the 4th, 10th and 14th symphonies.

If you want me to explode.......  ;)

I'm not sure that would be a good idea, Greg, so I'll leave it, thanks! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 07:06:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 07:04:55 AM
Bax - my Achilles heel (OK, one of them - if Achilles were a millipede that would start to account for the deficiencies in my score collection). Of Bax, I only have the piano music, plus a couple of chamber pieces.

Ah, pity...  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 07:25:29 AM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 05, 2008, 07:02:53 AM
No, not until he posts every single page of the 4th, 10th and 14th symphonies.

If you want me to explode.......  ;)

We've had enough of that already from Sean....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 05, 2008, 08:13:09 AM
Speaking of sexuality in music, I recall seeing a performance of the Barber Violin Concerto where the woman next to me, upon the fortissimo return of the main theme in the orchestra, was seized with this involuntary shudder that looked like it could possibly.... And she saw that I noticed this, and smiled sheepishly. At intermission I said something like "that is an awfully nice moment in the piece, isn't it?"

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 08:21:48 AM
Quote from: James on May 05, 2008, 08:17:12 AM
HAHAHAHAHA - WOW!

Don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, but she could have faked it, you know...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 08:41:43 AM
Anyway....

I just played through my 243 for the first time. It is great fun! And utterly chaste, too.  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 08:44:57 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 05, 2008, 08:13:09 AM
Speaking of sexuality in music, I recall seeing a performance of the Barber Violin Concerto where the woman next to me, upon the fortissimo return of the main theme in the orchestra, was seized with this involuntary shudder that looked like it could possibly.... And she saw that I noticed this, and smiled sheepishly. At intermission I said something like "that is an awfully nice moment in the piece, isn't it?"

Good thing you weren't sitting next to Sean.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 08:46:40 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 08:44:57 AM
Good thing you weren't sitting next to Sean.

:-[


;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 05, 2008, 08:48:46 AM
I did hear the National Symphony do the Shostakovich 6th recently, and Owlice and I managed to keep our composure during the scherzo.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 08:56:52 AM
What a way to reach page 100  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 09:04:10 AM
Yes, this thread has come a long way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 09:08:58 AM
I know what I'm listening to tonight . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 09:10:57 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 09:08:58 AM
I know what I'm listening to tonight . . . .

No mystery score for you then.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 09:12:52 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
Anything to drag Johan and Sforzando out of the gutter..... 0:) 0:) 0:)  0:) Time for a recap, gents?

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 09:28:13 AM
I am serious again... Two errata for your list, Luke - 173 'Reinhold' ---> 'Rheingold' and 202 'Muperdinck' ---> 'Humperdinck'...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
No, this is the little known Muperdinck version.....  :-[

(Changed, to keep it conventionally 'correct')
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
You can hold your head up, Luke; given all the high-density coding you do with those msgs, you are readily forgiven a few typos  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
No, this is the little known Muperdinck version.....  :-[

(Changed, to keep it conventionally 'correct')


I almost believed you (if that's any consolation...)

Quote from: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
You can hold your head up, Luke; given all the high-density coding you do with those msgs, you are readily forgiven a few typos  :)

Of course he can. Of course he is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 09:49:39 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 05, 2008, 09:44:18 AM
Of course he can. Of course he is.

And, of course, Johan, I took (as did, I suspect, Luke) your errata as simply helpful!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
Anything to drag Johan and Sforzando out of the gutter.....


"Why from the gutter should we trouble at their ribaldries . . . ."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 10:10:43 AM
Garibaldi's Ribaldries
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 01:31:36 PM
I refuse to let this subject go! The Barber violin concerto is rather orgasmic, but I think Rachmaninov's Symphony no.2 is just wave after wave of... anyway. Seriously though, that piece is basically pornographic.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 01:42:47 PM
...and the interlude in Walton's Troilus and Cressida, and the famous passages in Strauss (Rosenkavalier, Sinfonia Domestica)... enough, already!

More clues, to all my remaining ones (some are just repeating clues already given):

To some clues I've appended the name of an inhabitant of this thread if I imagine that they are most likely to identify the score in question - for instance, if there was a Brian score here, I'd add Johan's name (there isn't, though). That doesn't mean that I don't think anyone else could get it, of course. And also, adding this name is itself a sort of clue to the everyone else.

(these are the real numbers, as given in the list, not the incorrect numbers I gave the files themselves)

212 - actually, this piece was given as a guess for another piece on this thread. If you look at the page carefully, you will very likely be able to identify it. I said a few posts back that this composer is equally known as a (fantastic) pianist. JOHAN

215 - a notational experiment - an attempt to do away with 'tuplet' figures and brackets and replace them with noteheads of different shapes. One of music's great experimenters (but most excitingly for him, he once met Janacek...that's not really part of the clue though, just an excuse for me to mention the big J again  ) GUIDO (perhaps, but perhaps not)

217 - a hommage to an earlier composer, written (IIRC) for that composer's centenary by one of the most famous radicals of the 20th century. A very short, pithy title. GREG

219 - composer much more famous as a legendary pianist; he recorded this piece and it is available on one of the great CDs, though it isn't the major draw. Examine the piece carefully and you might notice something somewhat unusual about its layout.

221 - Messiaen, as has been guessed - and it looks like no-one else, does it!? One of his lesser-known pieces, not part of a larger set. But recorded and not completely obscure. GREG

223 - this one is really hard, to be fair, even though the title is left in - it's quite an unhelpful title, though. I just really like the sound of this piece, and it's an excuse to post an audio clip later for those who might be interested in hearing something so odd. As you can see, the piece progresses mostly in harmonics, and the guitar is tuned microtonally - the whole thing, as the indication says 'with rapt concentration, as if telling a strange tale'. British composer, quite obscure but linked to the complexity group (if there is such a thing), has written many similarly titled pieces for piano, all of which explore the instrument in similar ways.

224 - from the following clue, Mark correctly guessed that the composer is Villa-Lobos. This is a piano reduction of an orchestral score, but one of the weirdest ones I've seen. At some points - like here - the composer (who seems to be responsible for the reduction) includes pretty much everything, resulting in music which is utterly unplayable. At other points, the reduction is rather thin and lots is missed out that really ought to be there. I can't see any consistency in this approach. The original piece is a symphonic poem but was intended to be a ballet whose scenario includes a virgin and a monster or two; each action is indicated in the score. It is incredibly orchestrated and includes parts for viola d'amore and violinophone (the latter a violin attached to a horn, invented by the composer who has been called by a reputable voice the finest orchestrator of all). MARK - after all, he was the one to identify the composer

226 - I put this one up because it is pertinent at the moment, just as my 203 was pertinent when I put it up (a glance at 203 might help to see what I'm talking about). But this piece is not at all the sort of thing that springs to mind when this composer's name is mentioned. I love all the markings here, from the tempo marking - 'sly, hypocritical, with fake simplicity' - to the detailed indications for individual phrases - 'dogmatic', 'coy', 'gossip', 'loudmouth', 'crocodile tears', 'feigned regret', 'blushing', 'name dropping', 'pompous unction' and 'gotta go, another appointment' (GUIDO - possibly, but others too, I suspect)

228 - quick examination reveals what is going on here. This is one of its composer's most well-known works, I think. (JOHAN, maybe)

229 - I chose a sample which includes this composer's trademark technique in its baldest form.

232 - not quite for the forces it looks like. (GUIDO)

233 - possibly the piano left-hand and the stave beneath will help here.

234 - as stated earlier, the composer was much better known as a prodigiously gifted pianist with an impressive repertoire ranging from the classics to Boulez and Sorabji; he died young.

238 - not a composer associated with the piano, which instrument isn't very well suited to the technical concerns he developed later in life. This piece, slightly earlier, isn't quite there yet. It refers to the music and culture of an Asian country often bypassed by western composers looking for an Eastern fix.

239 - really very hard - this could be by any one of a number of composers, I suppose. It's Russian; its composer is one of the better-known Soviet composers outside the biggest names. Well, his name is known, anyway - he's famous for one piece, really (not this one).

240 - a fairly early score by an experimental composer who has now achieved great popularity (GUIDO)

242 - if you closely, you'll see fragments from a well-known piece in here.

243 - I'm glad to see that no-one has fallen into the trap of thinking this is Ravel, though those who know their Ravel will see that it is built on one famous piece and morphs towards the end into another. However, there is another tune hiding in the mix... a (slightly kitschy) joy!

244 - look at the technique involved here; the composer is quite clear then (MARK, based on previous answers, but others too, probably)

245 - One of a set of pieces, all of which start with the same letter. This one is the last; it depicts a nightingale with a cold.

247 - the typeface here looks just like that most of this composer's scores appear in, but some of the substance of the music doesn't look likely for this composer.

248 - the only lull in this otherwise relentlessly fortissimo piece. (EDWARD, if he was here, would know this one)

249 - a composer pianist, as I said, more the latter (spectacularly) than the former. This is a Sorabji homage.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 05, 2008, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 05, 2008, 01:31:36 PM
Seriously though, that piece is basically pornographic.

Honi soit qui pornographic y pense  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 05, 2008, 02:10:23 PM
249 must be by John Ogden, then.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:12:50 PM
I nearly wrote 'yes' - then I saw that you'd said 249.....  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 05, 2008, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 05, 2008, 01:31:36 PM
I refuse to let this subject go! The Barber violin concerto is rather orgasmic, but I think Rachmaninov's Symphony no.2 is just wave after wave of... anyway. Seriously though, that piece is basically pornographic.

I was hired to play bass clarinet in a performance of Rach's 2nd symphony. This was a daytime performance, so I could look out into the audience. In the back row was a couple, and as soon as the 3rd movement started, the man immediately put his arm around the woman.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 02:16:03 PM
# 212 Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH (saw the motif...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 05, 2008, 02:16:03 PM
# 212 Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH (saw the motif...)

At last - I knew you'd get it!

I chose a page which isn't as spectacular to look at as some other moments in this awe-inspiring piece ('one of the greatest works for solo piano, not merely in our own time' - Wilfrid Mellers) but which contains one of its most extraordinary moments: on the second bar of this system we see Stevenson combing the three subjects of his triple fugue, surrounding his fixed passacaglia theme. The Passacaglia theme, of course, is based on the DSCH motive, in various forms, here in the alto line; one fugue subject is BACH (tenor line); another is the Dies Irae (bass line), and the third is a highly chromatic quasi-serial theme in the soprano.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:22:14 PM
At last!

I chose a page which isn't as spectacular to look at as some other moments in this awe-inspiring piece ('one of the greatest works for solo piano, not merely in our own time' - Wilfrid Mellers) but which contains one of its most extraordinary moments: on the second bar of this system we see Stevenson combing the three subjects of his triple fugue, surrounding his fixed passacaglia theme. The Passacaglia theme, of course, is based on the DSCH motive, in various forms, here in the alto line; one fugue subject is BACH (tenor line); another is the Dies Irae (bass line), and the third is a highly chromatic quasi-serial theme in the soprano.


I saw the Dies Irae too, yes...

# 249 I know Michael Habermann, the Sorabji specialist, wrote a piece in homage of him...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
That's interesting.  >:D

a more famous pianist.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 02:27:45 PM
Thaks for the clues Luke - I will have a wee look in a sec. First I'll post some scores - no particular logic to them other than I like these pieces and have them as pdfs on my computer!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 02:28:36 PM
Hope none of these have been posted before...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:29:08 PM
The first one is Ligeti - Hungarian Rock
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:30:28 PM
...and the last is Tchaikovsky, Rococo Variations
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 02:35:26 PM
224 - is the VL Uirapuru?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:37:31 PM
Guido's third one here (fourth overall in his most recently set scores, including the Beethoven Triple Concerto of a few days back, and his 24th of all, I think) is Miaskovsky's 2nd Cello Sonata



Sforzando - no, that was Mark's original guess. But, as I said, that's very close to the right answer. It's another of that sort of exotically orchestrated Amazonian V-L piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 02:41:24 PM
Another stab at 249: Marc-André Hamelin, he is a composer, too, and a very famous pianist...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:42:18 PM
Your stab has found its mark.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 02:42:28 PM
Luke - I ashamed to say I don't think I can name any of the pieces. The one with the crazy directions reminds me of something that Satie might do, but you said it was unexpected for the composer. I would guess that 240 is perhaps Feldman, but that is a complete guess. Its a very beautiful score though.

All your guesses are right of course - that Miaskovsky is a superb piece, don't you think?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:37:31 PM
Sforzando - no, that was Mark's original guess. But, as I said, that's very close to the right answer. It's another of that sort of exotically orchestrated Amazonian V-L piece

Danca da terra (1939) ?
Ruda (1951) ?
Genesis (1954) ?

You really think I know from VL ballets?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 02:47:03 PM
# 249 Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony

Just for the sake of completeness...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:47:46 PM
Johan - that's the one! An incredible looking piece, like most of Hamelin's scores.

Sforzando - its status as a ballet isn't precise, as I tried to imply in my clue - it's just as much a symphonic poem which was originally written with choreography in mind (though the source I just checked online puts it under the heading of ballet.) It's none of the ones you list, btw - Uirapuru was closest.

Guido - Yes, it is!

240 isn't Feldman, but you might like to apply that guess elsewhere....  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 02:55:40 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:47:46 PM
240 isn't Feldman, but you might like to apply that guess elsewhere....  ;)

I don't want to make too many wild guesses, but is 232 a weird 3 piano reduction of a Feldman score then - Coptic Light perhaps? This is ridiculously guessy!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
232 isn't a 3 piano reduction, but it is Feldman.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 03:06:51 PM
Luke make space in your inbox! I just remembered I had a message to send you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
Done
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
I'm off to bed. It has been a very enjoyable day (I wrote a lot between the laughs...).

Hope your children grant you some sleep, Luke!

Johan
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
It's not their fault - if it wasn't for these scores, I'd be sleeping sweetly already!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 05, 2008, 03:43:08 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
It's not their fault - if it wasn't for these scores, I'd be sleeping sweetly already!

;D

And now I'm really off...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 07:04:55 AM
Bax - my Achilles heel (OK, one of them - if Achilles were a millipede that would start to account for the deficiencies in my score collection). Of Bax, I only have the piano music, plus a couple of chamber pieces.

Isn't sonata No.3 or 4 in the very unusual key of G# minor?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 03:46:46 PM
The fourth of these new Guido ones is Schulhoff's violin sonata, third movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 03:48:29 PM
Yes, Sean - it's no 3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 03:54:47 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 06:10:40 AM
Is this the passage you mean? - hillariously, my scanner seems to have prudishly gone soft-focus on the climactic chord in question!

No, no, that isn't it. The climactic centre of the scherzo is three pairs of the same falling quavers- I think it's quavers, with the first one accented (with the sideways v sign if I remember), followed by three longer notes of great passion (maybe with the - sign over them), followed by the release of Shostak's scherzo trademark clarinet flurry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 03:57:29 PM
I'm just looking for it, Sean....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 03:59:16 PM
Okay! No big thing really- I used to lust over the Bergland/ Bournmouth symphony recording so much that I had to get hold of the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 04:02:01 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 08:44:57 AM
Good thing you weren't sitting next to Sean.

You can do it without moving?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
I think it must be the bit I quoted, which is the last big dynamic climax of the movement - there are four pairs of a falling figure (though it's crotchet to quaver - the crotchet has the accent mark on it); then (this is the blurry bit of the scan) there are four longer chords, and then finally (the page after my sample ends) a clarinet solo scurries up the scale; then flute and bass clarinet play in inversion of each other, and the clarinet enters again. These clarinet solos are the most notable ones in the movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 04:05:07 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 03:46:46 PM
The fourth of these new Guido ones is Schulhoff's violin sonata, third movement.

Correct! I heard this once on the radio and remember being very impressed especially by this beautiful movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 05, 2008, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: Sean on May 05, 2008, 04:02:01 PM
You can do it without moving?

Why do you think they call me Sforzando?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 05, 2008, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
I think it must be the bit I quoted, which is the last big dynamic climax of the movement - there are four pairs of a falling figure (though it's crotchet to quaver - the crotchet has the accent mark on it); then (this is the blurry bit of the scan) there are four longer chords, and then finally (the page after my sample ends) a clarinet solo scurries up the scale; then flute and bass clarinet play in inversion of each other, and the clarinet enters again. These clarinet solos are the most notable ones in the movement.

Oh yeah, sorry, that'd be it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 05, 2008, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 01:42:47 PM
...and the interlude in Walton's Troilus and Cressida

where is this in the opera?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 04:18:43 PM
Now I'll have to go and listen to it.... you may have to wait a while. Between acts 1 and 2, possibly....

But the ones I mentioned (unlike the Rachmaninov and the Shostakovich) are all explicitly (wrong word, perhaps...!) supposed to depict sex. I've just PMed you about Schulhoff, and mentioned a piece of his which goes about as far as possible in this direction - his Sonata erotica fur Solo-Muttertrompete which is, quite literally, 4 minutes of groans, moans and faked orgasm. I have it on the last CD of a 5 CD set of Schulhoff's chamber music; this last CD contains another Dadist work, the Symphonia Germanica in which the piano part is written not for two hands but for head, legs, arms and nose, and in which the pianist has to sing a bastardised version of the German national anthem. Also a suite for double bassoon entitled Bass-nachtigall, which includes a perpetuum mobile and a fugue.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 04:28:23 PM
Bedtime for me too, now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 06, 2008, 06:07:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 05, 2008, 02:29:08 PM
The first one is Ligeti - Hungarian Rock
that one was sooooooooo easy, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 06, 2008, 06:35:28 AM
Two of mine were very easy (Tchaik and Ligeti) if you know the pieces, The Schulhoff and Miaskovsky were more obscure. The two remaining ones are both early works by their respective composers and slightly more obscure still... I wouldn't say they were that difficult to get though (maybe!)... the clues are there!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 06, 2008, 07:20:40 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 06, 2008, 06:35:28 AM
...The Szymanowski ...

I hope you mean the Schulhoff!  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 06, 2008, 07:32:38 AM
Yes of course. :-[

Was listening to the Szymanowski violin sonata while I was typing!

edited!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 06, 2008, 04:49:18 PM
Just had to share this score with you - Absolutely incredible stuff.

A clue for "guidoscore2" (Luke has correctly called it no.23) - Look at the piano writing - there is something odd, or rather remarkable about it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 06, 2008, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 06, 2008, 04:49:18 PM
Just had to share this score with you - Absolutely incredible stuff.

A clue for the first of the two of mine that haven't been guessed yet - Look at the piano writing - there is something odd, or rather remarkable about it.

I know I've seen this piece, or things like it. The oddities are the absence of rests and the peculiar formation of the left-hand noteheads. Could this be Rameau or D. Scarlatti?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 06, 2008, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 06, 2008, 06:12:39 PM
I know I've seen this piece, or things like it. The oddities are the absence of rests and the peculiar formation of the left-hand noteheads. Could this be Rameau or D. Scarlatti?

Yes the typsetter just put the left hand notes with different heads - I don't really know why. I guess the rests are also a problem in the software used to input the score. If you play it on the piano (or even just look at it) it could only be one composer. It is one of the two that you mentioned though. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 06, 2008, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 06, 2008, 06:18:30 PM
Yes the typsetter just put the left hand notes with different heads - I don't really know why. I guess the rests are also a problem in the software used to input the score. If you play it on the piano (or even just look at it) it could only be one composer. It is one of the two that you mentioned though. :)

Actually I think it could be either - but as I can't find it in Rameau's Pieces de Clavecin, I'll go with DS. But I'm not up to slogging through 550 keyboard sonatas, even if I had the music to all of them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 07, 2008, 03:01:49 AM
It is Scarlatti - it K175, one of my favourites, and one of his most extreme. It's set for ABRSM Grade 8 at the moment, so I've taught it a little too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 07, 2008, 03:23:30 AM
...but you missed off the best bit, Guido! The crazy cluster chords that come in a few bars later!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 07, 2008, 07:04:32 AM
Correct Luke (and Sfz) - as I said its just incredible. Rameau has suddenly become a lot more interesting to me if he composed stuff like this.

Luke I was debating which bit to put in - I thought if I didn't include the opening that no one would ever get it. Is this really grade eight? Is it deceptively difficult, becuase it appears fairly managable to the ill informed (me.) Also do you teach your students to roll the chord like on harpsichord? (or guitar a this is surely meant to imitate)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 07, 2008, 07:08:51 AM
Here's the bit that Luke was talkig about if anyone is interested. Unfortunately poorly type set, but just look at those magnificent discords!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 07, 2008, 07:23:19 AM
It sounds very spicy, but not really shocking, I think. I just listened to John Williams:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5q98CakiIM
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 07, 2008, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 07, 2008, 07:04:32 AM
Correct Luke (and Sfz) - as I said its just incredible. Rameau has suddenly become a lot more interesting to me if he composed stuff like this.

Luke I was debating which bit to put in - I thought if I didn't include the opening that no one would ever get it. Is this really grade eight? Is it deceptively difficult, becuase it appears fairly managable to the ill informed (me.) Also do you teach your students to roll the chord like on harpsichord? (or guitar a this is surely meant to imitate)


Technically, Scarlatti can be very difficult.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 07, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 07, 2008, 07:23:19 AM
It sounds very spicy, but not really shocking, I think. I just listened to John Williams:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5q98CakiIM

Well he has simplified the part quite a lot for obvious reasons - there are 10 note chords in the piano part which are obviously not realisable on the guitar. Additionally these pungeant discords sound far grander and more radical on a keyboard instrument instrument because they are in such close position. Occasionally in the Barroque composers did stuff that was so far outside the norm that it makes you do a double take - another example would be the Sarabande to the fifth Bach Cello Suite - breathtaking. Actually the whole Suite is pretty extraordinary.

Here is John Browning playing the same sonata on piano.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zmjmkzrg0fz
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 07, 2008, 11:42:06 AM
Luke can you check a note for me - is the right hand part of bar 27 meant to be a D# on the first beat (and the preceeding quaver)? A C# would make more sense...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 07, 2008, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 07, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
Here is John Browning playing the same sonata on piano.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zmjmkzrg0fz

Okay. I'll have a listen... Thanks!



Later: there is an exhilarating sense of freedom in Scarlatti. As you say, anything seems possible. With Bach I always have the sense of someone completely in control, even the most daring things are part of the bigger plan...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 07, 2008, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 07, 2008, 11:50:38 AM
Okay. I'll have a listen... Thanks!

If he wasn't spreading the chords like that it would sound even more dissonant. Try them yourself!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 07, 2008, 12:13:03 PM
And FWIW here's Richard Lester (my second piano teacher!) playing the same sonata, on harpsichord. Very pungent here, I think!

http://www.mediafire.com/?ejoldmdgmjy


Quote from: Guido on May 07, 2008, 07:04:32 AM
Correct Luke (and Sfz) - as I said its just incredible. Rameau has suddenly become a lot more interesting to me if he composed stuff like this.

There's nothing quite this extreme in Rameau's keyboard music...or perhaps there is, but it's extreme in a different way.

Quote from: Guido on May 07, 2008, 07:04:32 AM
Luke I was debating which bit to put in - I thought if I didn't include the opening that no one would ever get it.

Trust me, I would have! - this is one of my favourite Scarlatti sonatas, as I said...

Quote from: Guido on May 07, 2008, 07:04:32 AM
Is this really grade eight? Is it deceptively difficult, becuase it appears fairly managable to the ill informed (me.) Also do you teach your students to roll the chord like on harpsichord? (or guitar a this is surely meant to imitate)

It's an odd grade 8 piece because at that level list A pieces are no longer necessarily baroque (as in grades 1-7) but are instead contrapuntal. Which means in practice they are usually baroque but not always - for my grade 8 I played a Hindemith fugue for list A. But this Scarlatti piece is pretty much homophonic all the way. Anyway, yes, it's quite technically demanding; no single bar is a real killer, but it keeps throwing 'stuff' at you - some very physical, fast hand-crossings later on, for instance. And it demands real musicality - the temptation to just blast away at it has to be tempered.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 07, 2008, 12:25:42 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 07, 2008, 12:13:03 PM
And FWIW here's Richard Lester (my second piano teacher!) playing the same sonata, on harpsichord. Very pungent here, I think!

http://www.mediafire.com/?ejoldmdgmjy

A harpsichord sounds like a demented sewing machine, but this is more like it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 07, 2008, 04:45:03 PM
The melody in the opening movement of Rameau's D minor/ major suite is one of the most ravishing ever written, a high watermark of his poetic insights.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 07, 2008, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Sean on May 07, 2008, 04:45:03 PM
The melody in the opening movement of Rameau's D minor/ major suite is one of the most ravishing ever written, a high watermark of his poetic insights.

The one called Les Tendres Plaintes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 07, 2008, 05:21:49 PM
Probably- I don't recall. I know the works from the superb Pinnock recordings on CRD- two of the LPs first, then bought the CDs: it's some of the very finest harpsichord music ever written.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 07, 2008, 07:39:38 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 07, 2008, 12:13:03 PM
And FWIW here's Richard Lester (my second piano teacher!) playing the same sonata, on harpsichord. Very pungent here, I think!

Extremely cool. The harpsichord brings out the "Spanishness" of Scarlatti's music. Those dissonances become flamenco guitars and castanets. Very spicy stuff. The piano is too tame for this music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 06:01:54 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 07, 2008, 07:39:38 PM
Extremely cool. The harpsichord brings out the "Spanishness" of Scarlatti's music. Those dissonances become flamenco guitars and castanets. Very spicy stuff. The piano is too tame for this music.

I agree completely - yet tell that to people like our own James, who consistently maintains in threads on this subject that the piano, as a 'more advanced' instrument (whatever that means) is best able to serve the Scarlatti sonatas; that to hear them played by harpsichord is historically interesting but musically substandard. In a sonata such as this, that is conclusively not true - a piano can't help but sound relatively prim and un-earthy. (I speak as someone who plays and teaches this sonata on the piano!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 07, 2008, 11:42:06 AM
Luke can you check a note for me - is the right hand part of bar 27 meant to be a D# on the first beat (and the preceeding quaver)? A C# would make more sense...

Sorry - only just saw this - C# is correct. This Sankey edition is full of misprints like this, and annoying enharmonic notation too (F naturals instead of E#s in an F# minor context, for instance)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 09:01:37 AM
I'll take this opportunity to upload a little resource I made up (too much spare time) which allows you to navigate your way in the Scarlatti sonatas, from L numbers to K numbers or, in the second half of the document, the other way round (which I fiddled around to make myself). P numbers thrown in for free.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 08, 2008, 10:09:47 AM
Is there any rhyme or reason to any of those three numbering systems?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 08, 2008, 10:14:37 AM
On the other hand, on the piano it is easier to hear the dissonance - to me it sounds more extreme without all the mechanisms adding extra sounds to the texture - it just sounds like slamming down very heavily. Not saying that either one is better, but I like both! The sound of the harpsichord is particularly bright and loud in the recording you supplied.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 08, 2008, 10:14:37 AM
On the other hand, on the piano it is easier to hear the dissonance - to me it sounds more extreme without all the mechanisms adding extra sounds to the texture - it just sounds like slamming down very heavily. Not saying that either one is better, but I like both!

Yes, but I don't think Scarlatti weighed and calculated the dissonance hugely carefully here, with the desire that we hear each harmonic nuance - I don't think there really are many nuances in this sort of thing, and the percussive 'slamming down very heavily' is really I think what he's after here, like a precurssor of Cowell's clusters in his more abrasive moods. What Mark said about the piano being too tame is to the point here - there are times when subtlety isn't required!

The numbering - from what I recall, there is no way to number them accurately, but K[irkpatrick] is the most methodical. L[ongo] might as well be random, though - Longo arranged the sonatas into groups that made nice little collections (by key, tempo etc.) and his numbering is the result (IMSLP had these Longo 'suites' for download - they are heavily prettified too). IIRC - let me check! Don't want to be unfair to Longo, and it's a long time since I read up on this....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 11:06:53 AM
...if you check the list I attached earlier, you'll see that Longo's sonatas fall into patterns of related/identical keys.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 08, 2008, 11:29:22 AM
Not that I'm diagreesing Luke, but the fact that  I could tell that that note was supposed to be a C# rather than a D# shows tht he must have thught about the bashing at least a little... but you didn't say that there was no nuance. :)

I think we've come to stand still with the score guessing. I don't think that I know any of your ones Luke.

I'll give some more clues for mine then and recap what I have already said - they are both by really really famous composers. Both are early works and composed very near the turn of the century. The extreme dynamics in the cello/piano one are perhaps hint to one of the features of his later scores, but the Mahlerian harmony is rather different. The intrumentation also gives a clue to this composers early musical tuition. The solo piano piece contains writing of a very particular sort, but is the only piece that he composed of this genre.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 08, 2008, 11:29:22 AM
Not that I'm diagreesing Luke, but the fact that  I could tell that that note was supposed to be a C# rather than a D# shows tht he must have thught about the bashing at least a little... but you didn't say that there was no nuance. :)

Yes, but you could tell because the C# is part of the scale here; IOW, Scarlatti is 'just' clustering the degrees of the scale together, not introducing anything that is, in itself, terribly chromatic.

Here, out of interest, is a comparison of two editions of this sonata. The one on the left, so annoyingly divested of its most compelling features, is (I believe) the Longo one - it certainly comes from the 'suites' of sonatas he arranged, in which is it no 429. The one on the right is the Sankey typesetting, which, for all its misprints, at least doesn't intentionally thin out and prettify Scarlatti's clusters here.



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 08, 2008, 12:07:02 PM
Yeesh. Thank God that kind of 'musicology' is a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 08, 2008, 11:29:22 AM
I think we've come to stand still with the score guessing. I don't think that I know any of your ones Luke.

I'll give more clues later, then. I'm not always sure that people pick up on the little clues I drop into my posts. For instance, in addition to my larger clues I've revealed for sure that the composer of no 215 also has something to do with the phrase 'the ????? harp'; that 219 and 234 are by famous pianists, one of whom is John Ogdon; that 232 is by Feldman and not for the three pianos it looks like; that 224 is a symphonic poem/ballet by Villa Lobos, not one of the three or four already guessed....

Quote from: Guido on May 08, 2008, 11:29:22 AM
I'll give some more clues for mine then and recap what I have already said - they are both by really really famous composers. Both are early works and composed very near the turn of the century. The extreme dynamics in the cello/piano one are perhaps hint to one of the features of his later scores, but the Mahlerian harmony is rather different. The intrumentation also gives a clue to this composers early musical tuition. The solo piano piece contains writing of a very particular sort, but is the only piece that he composed of this genre.

I feel rather thick - the cello/piano one is one of the two early pieces by Webern (1899) - I was only playing these pieces the other night, and was even going to suggest them to you!

The other one - I have some ideas I will work on....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 08, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 12:55:32 PM
I feel rather thick - the cello/piano one is one of the two early pieces by Webern (1899) - I was only playing these pieces the other night, and was even going to suggest them to you!

I'm sure I've said this before, but those two Webern pieces along with the later sonata and also the 3 little pieces, make up a rather nice little short set that show Webern's musical progress from late romantic to atonalist to serialist, and all in less than 10 minutes! It's such a shame that Berg never wrote anything for cello. From Schoenberg we only have that bizarre (but charming) cello concerto which is insanely difficult, without the payoff seeming worth it.

"False relationships and the extended ending" requires three pianos in its scoring, but has other things too which might not be playing at that moment, but my guess is that what you by 'not for the three pianos it looks like' is that these are other instruments.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 08, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
"False relationships and the extended ending" requires three pianos in its scoring, but has other things too which might not be playing at that moment, but my guess is that what you by 'not for the three pianos it looks like' is that these are other instruments.

That's not exactly what I mean, no....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 08, 2008, 01:50:51 PM
Guido's last remaining one is Bartok's 'Tanulmany balkezre' (= Study for the left hand) of 1903

If you look closely at my pieces you'll find one which makes similar demands. Which ought to be enough, with my other clues, to identify it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 09, 2008, 10:57:09 AM
OK, as Guido requested, more clues to my remaining ones.. I coupled them with the old clues - those older bits are in a smaller font size.

215 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865) - a notational experiment - an attempt to do away with 'tuplet' figures and brackets and replace them with noteheads of different shapes. As I said to Mark re his jest about The Sacred Harp, this composer is associated with a similar phrase - 'The ?? Harp'; he's already been on this thread, a long time back. Karl identified the composer - Cowell - but not the piece yet

217 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890) - a hommage to an earlier composer, written (IIRC) for that composer's centenary by one of the most famous radicals of the 20th century.  A very short, pithy title. The composer referred to is Ravel. Johan identified the piece and composer - à r by Xenakis

219 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892) - composer much more famous as a legendary pianist who died too early; he recorded this piece and it is available on one of the great CDs, though it isn't the major draw. The major draw on those CDs is the pianist playing the works of a greater composer, also one of the great violinists, who he also accompanies. As revealed above, either this one or  234 is by John Ogdon.

221 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892) - Messiaen, as has been guessed - and it looks like no-one else, does it!? One of his lesser-known pieces, not part of a larger set. But recorded and not completely obscure. It's even less obscure since I mentioned it on a different thread yesterday!

223 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894) - this one is really hard, to be fair, even though the title is left in - it's quite an unhelpful title, though. I just really like the sound of this piece, and it's an excuse to post an audio clip later for those who might be interested in hearing something so odd. As you can see, the piece progresses mostly in harmonics, and the guitar is tuned microtonally - the whole thing, as the indication says 'with rapt concentration, as if telling a strange tale'. British composer, quite obscure but linked to the complexity group (if there is such a thing), has written many similarly titled pieces for piano, all of which explore the instrument in similar ways. I don't expect this one to go, but if you're determined to find it, look for a complexity composer associated with Finnissy etc., composer of a series of pieces called 'For Piano' and recorded by Ian Pace among others. With those facts, he ought to be much easier to find.

224 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)- from the previous clue, Mark correctly guessed that the composer is Villa-Lobos. A number of his ballets have been proposed - Uirapuru, Danca da terra, Ruda, Genesis - all but the correct one, which shares its date of composition with the earliest of these other ones. It isn't one of his most obscure pieces - in fact, it's one with the most Villa-Lobosian title of all. Johan identified this one - Amazonas is the title you were looking for.

226 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857) - I put this one up because it is pertinent at the moment, just as my 203 was pertinent when I put it up (a glance at 203 might help to see what I'm talking about). Alright, then - why was 203 pertinent? Because it's by Hoddinott, who, when I posted it, had just died.....ergo....

228 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977) - a quick examination reveals what is going on here. This is one of its composer's most well-known works, I think, though recently his name has been in the news for an altogether larger piece, about which we had a thread here.

229 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977) - I chose a sample which includes this composer's trademark technique in its baldest form. What is going on with the time signatures? Who does this sort of thing a lot?

232 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - not quite for the forces it looks like. Guido got the composer - Feldman. Remember that Feldman sometimes distributes his music around the staves as he does in odd ways, to do with keeping things clear, in this case, the various rhythmical strands.

233 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - possibly the piano left-hand and the stave beneath will help here. The composer was born on the Russo-Turkish frontier, in either 1866 (he said) or 187(his sister said)!; a kind of philosopher of religion (Christian and Buddhist, mostly) who developed a way of thinking described variously as 'the Fourth Way' or 'the Way of the Cunning Man'. Time said of him that he was 'a remarkable blend of P. T. Barnum, Rasputin, Freud, Groucho Marx, and everybody's grandfather.'

234 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - as stated earlier, the composer was much better known as a prodigiously gifted, prematurely deceased pianist with an impressive repertoire ranging from the classics to Boulez and Sorabji. As revealed above, either this one or no 219 is by John Ogdon.

238 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979) - not a composer associated with the piano, which instrument isn't very well suited to the technical concerns he developed later in life. This piece, slightly earlier, isn't quite there yet. It refers to the music and culture of an Asian country often bypassed by western composers looking for an Eastern fix. That country is Tibet; this composer visited Tibet and Nepal, I believe, and was greatly influenced by Hinduism and Buddhism.

239 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980) - really very hard - this could be by any one of a number of composers, I suppose. It's Russian; its composer is one of the better-known Soviet composers outside the biggest names. Well, his name is known, anyway - he's famous for one piece, really  - Zavod. Johan identified the composer - Mosolov - but not the piece

240 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342) - a fairly early score by an experimental composer who has now achieved great popularity. British, previously a jazz bassist. Has been on this thread before.

242 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342) - if you closely, you'll see fragments from a well-known piece in here. That's because this is the cadenza to a concerto by probably the finest writer of piano concerti (pace Brahms, Beethoven and Elgar/Wagner/Schnittke/Pettersen/Dittersdorf/Mendelssohn...). It was written by the British composer of another rather cool piano concerto, and demonstrates his typical textural invention and superior powers of imagination.

243 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342) - I'm glad to see that no-one has fallen into the trap of thinking this is Ravel, though those who know their Ravel will see that it is built on one famous piece and morphs towards the end into another. However, there is another tune hiding in the mix... a (slightly kitschy) joy! [/s]Why doesn't someone print it out and try to play it - once the secret tune is discovered, identifying the piece will be child's play. Johan's identified this - Sciarrino's Anamorfosi

244 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - look at the technique involved here; the composer is quite clear then. We had a piece by this composer a long time back, and Mark identified it then - he spotted that the piece was a complex canon at various speeds, as is this one, though it's much simpler here. Who composes such things.

245 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - One of a set of pieces, all of which start with the same letter. This one is the last; it depicts a nightingale with a cold. The letter is R, and thus the piece's title is....

247 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - the typeface here looks just like that most of this composer's scores appear in, but some of the substance of the music doesn't look likely for this composer. To expand, one doesn't really expect to see too many glissandi in the music of a composer who became, probably, the leading serialist - this is quite an early work, however, and as such is now easy identify.

248 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550) - the only lull in this otherwise relentlessly fortissimo piece. Which composer, who died two years ago and was taught by Shostakovich, writes long, austere, dissonant pieces which remain at a fairly constant dynamic level? Guido's identified this as one of the six piano sonatas by Ustvolskaya, but which?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 09, 2008, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 09, 2008, 10:57:09 AM
215 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865) - a notational experiment - an attempt to do away with 'tuplet' figures and brackets and replace them with noteheads of different shapes. As I said to Mark re his jest about The Sacred Harp, this composer is associated with a similar phrase - 'The ?? Harp'; he's already been on this thread, a long time back.

Henry Cowell?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 09, 2008, 11:41:22 AM
248 is Ustvolskaya then but I don't know her six piano sonatas at all so I won't hazard a guess. Sorry for this limp attempt at an answer!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 09, 2008, 11:58:27 AM
Yes to both -

215 is by Henry Cowell, a notational experiment, attempting a new way with 'tuplets'.

and

248 is indeed one of the six piano sonatas by Ustvolskaya

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 09, 2008, 12:00:26 PM
Let's drag this back somewhere closer to the context, then...

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - ? - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 -  Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 09, 2008, 12:05:44 PM
#217 Xenakis - A.R. 

#239 Mosolov (Zavod = Foundry)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 09, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
Good - 217 is Xenakis's homage to Ravel à r

and 239 is Mosolov, though as to what it is, that's a lot harder. In fact, I've forgotten myself, and I'll have to look it up. Not one of his sonatas, though....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 03:44:08 PM
243 - Without even playing it, I see some Schumann there, but it doesn't help me in the least!  ;D

Meanwhile, just to confuse things even more - a lot more from me:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 03:54:46 PM
The only nightingales I can think of are Stravinsky's and Granados's - and it ain't one of them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 09, 2008, 04:03:10 PM
Before I go to bed:

Sfz 13: Alfvén, First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka)

It must be!?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 04:04:59 PM
BTW, I hope everyone realizes that if you click on any of my images, they will enlarge.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 09, 2008, 04:03:10 PM
Before I go to bed:

Sfz 13: Alfvén, First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka)

It must be!

Yes it is! but some of my others aren't quite so easy!  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
3 more:

See how you do - I'm having dinner and will be back in an hour.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 09, 2008, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 04:07:33 PM
Yes it is! but some of my others aren't quite so easy!  >:D

Still - I can go to sleep now...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 09, 2008, 05:15:29 PM
What is the significance of your new avatar Sfz?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 09, 2008, 05:15:29 PM
What is the significance of your new avatar Sfz?

I couldn't fit any more than four composers without their looking like pinpricks.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 09, 2008, 10:09:51 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
I couldn't fit any more than four composers without their looking like pinpricks.

You mean two, of course?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 09, 2008, 11:44:27 PM
#23 must be a light and lively French master, like Lalo or Chabrier.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 02:11:51 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 09, 2008, 11:44:27 PM
#23 must be a light and lively French master, like Lalo or Chabrier.

It is one of those two.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 10, 2008, 02:35:09 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 02:11:51 AM
It is one of those two.

Okay, I did some research: it's the orchestral version of a piano piece by Chabrier, Bourrée Fantasque.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 02:40:47 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 10, 2008, 02:35:09 AM
Okay, I did some research: it's the orchestral version of a piano piece by Chabrier, Bourrée Fantasque.

That is correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 02:41:43 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 09, 2008, 10:09:51 PM
You mean two, of course?

I mean what I said.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 04:04:37 AM
First glance, I can only get three:

10 - Gluck: Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes
27 - Varese - Density 21.5

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 04:05:49 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 04:04:37 AM
First glance, I can only get three:

10 - Gluck: Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes
27 - Varese - Density 21.5



All correct. Surprised Sean didn't get 11.

Don't be concerned if I don't respond for the next 8-10 hours. (It is just past 8 am in New York now.) I'm leaving soon for the city and don't expect to return until late afternoon. Clues to start as needed then. Suffice to say that the examples include some of the best-known composers as well as some figures not well known as composers at all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 04:27:18 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 03:44:08 PM
243 - Without even playing it, I see some Schumann there, but it doesn't help me in the least!  ;D

Not Schumann, no. Much more well-known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 04:31:40 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 09, 2008, 03:54:46 PM
The only nightingales I can think of are Stravinsky's and Granados's - and it ain't one of them!

No. Nor Couperin's 'Rossignol en amour' (let's not forget the genius of Couperin in our praise of Scarlatti and Rameau!). Nor Satie's 'rossignol qui aurait mal aux dents'.... (though that one is closest as it too has a medical affliction!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 04:35:46 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 04:27:18 AM
Not Schumann, no. Much more well-known.

Maybe I'm just getting confused by the numbering, but I see one piece that has echoes of the Hammerklavier and another that quotes Schumann. Anyhow, this will have to wait until tonight; I have an appointment that I'm already late for.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 04:46:48 AM
I think your number 9 (I've called it 9a in the list, because there was already a 9th one) is from an edition reconstructing Beethoven's sketchbook. Here we see fragments of what was to become the alla Tedesca of the op 130 quartet (where this movement is in G) in the key of A, mixed up with fragments which found their way into the A minor quartet op 132. I thought it might be this and checked in the archives of the Beethoven-Haus - here's their page on the sketches in question - you can scroll through the sketchbook (e.g. the 'tedesca' material starts on page 2) (http://www.beethoven-haus-bonn.de/sixcms/detail.php?id=5203&template=dokseite_digitales_archiv_en&_eid=5058&_ug=until%201827&_dokid=wm150&_mid=Sketches%20by%20%20Beethoven&_seite=1)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 05:53:06 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 04:35:46 AM
Maybe I'm just getting confused by the numbering, but I see one piece that has echoes of the Hammerklavier and another that quotes Schumann. Anyhow, this will have to wait until tonight; I have an appointment that I'm already late for.

The one which seems to echo the Hammerklavier is, I guess, 242 - I can see why you'd think that, but look a couple of bars earlier to see the phrase from which this quasi op 106 motive derives. That might lead you to the original work of which this is a cadenza.

No 243 is the one which takes over Ravel's Jeux d'eau* entirely but uses it as the frame for another, very famous song.

* also, later on - you can see it here towards the end - Ravel's Une barque sur  l'ocean
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:06:08 AM
Sfz 25 - Berlioz, Benvenuto Cellini
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:11:26 AM
Sfz 26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto (second movement)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 10, 2008, 06:29:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 05:53:06 AM
No 243 is the one which takes over Ravel's Jeux d'eau* entirely but uses it as the frame for another, very famous song.

whoo boy. I've seen this score, and I can't remember whodunit, except he's Italian. The song is "I'm Singin in the Rain".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:32:07 AM
Certainly is!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:42:32 AM
Sfz 21 - Bernstein - Serenade (after Plato's Symposium), fourth movement, 'Agathon'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 10, 2008, 06:47:50 AM
#243 Salvatore Sciarrino - De la nuit
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:51:33 AM
Well stolen found!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:52:19 AM
oops! I mean, no, it isn't. Right composer, though.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 10, 2008, 06:53:34 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:51:33 AM
Well stolen found!  ;D

Sorry, Mark... 0:)

Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 06:52:19 AM
oops! I mean, no, it isn't. Right composer, though.  :-[

Darn!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 10, 2008, 06:57:54 AM
ANAMORFOSI
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 07:00:33 AM
That's the bunny! Want to hear it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 10, 2008, 07:01:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 07:00:33 AM
That's the bunny! Want to hear it?

Yes, please!


Later: it is as if you are in a nightclub for campy intellectuals...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 07:07:27 AM
LOL  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 07:13:19 AM
It's a funny recording (Damerini) - it makes a repeat not marked in the score; also, the bottom of my sample page, which comes shortly before the end and is quite clearly, even from my sight-reading, a cleverly-distributed rendering of Singin' in the rain's jaunted dotted rhythm 'ritornello'  (  ;D ;D ;D ;D ) - well, that reference doesn't come out at all here, which is a pity.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 10, 2008, 09:01:21 AM
#224 Villa-Lobos - Amazonas

And that 'nightingale with a cold' piece must be called something like 'Rhume'?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 09:19:45 AM
The Villa-Lobos piece is right  :)

Don't get too sidetracked by the nightingale side of things - what you should concentrate on is the fact that all the constituent parts of this piece have titles beginning with the same letter.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 02:45:35 PM
Sfz 12 - this one took too long! I was sure it must be something by Roussel, but got sidetracked on the Padmavati line-of-enquiry. Getting frustrated I checked my other scores by Roussel and found this passage at the beginning of Le festin de l'araignée - though it doesn't look quite the same in the piano reduction. Feeling a bit stupid that I didn't remember it before, especially when I had got as far as Roussel already.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 05:02:47 PM
Don't feel bad, Luke. I'm still totally in the dark.

But so that Luke can get a taste of his own medicine, here are my first set of no doubt "easy" clues to help you get the rest of mine. (All of Luke's identifications are of course correct.)

sfz14 If anyone should know this, it would be Maciek.

sfz15 A well-known and oft-reviled composer, much more famous for musical depictions related to his native country than this South American one

sfz16 It's a symphony whose nickname is not related to the nationality of its (American) composer, and the composer is best known for a name assumed later in life than the birth name.

sfz17 Also known as a college professor of composition, he had an association with a very great composer late in this composer's life, but it wasn't nearly as notorious as a similar relationship a non-composer had with another very great composer who lived not far from the first one.

sfz18 Jezetha might know this, though the composer is at least as well known as a scholar of Mozart and Beethoven.

sfz19 Another symphony whose (American) title has no relation to the composer's nationality.

sfz20 Take a vowel away from the name of one well-known composer, and you've got this composer's name.

sfz22 A well-known name here, but not as a composer. This work was written early in his life.

sfz24 For the piano to be sure, but not really piano music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 10, 2008, 07:35:11 PM
Bch
Hydn
Bethoven
Chopn
Brhms
Faré
Lgar
Dvork
Bartk
Debssy
Duks
Gk
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 10, 2008, 07:37:47 PM
Jakob Handl

http://www.hoasm.org/IVK/Handl.html

(but not the composer of sfz 20)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 12:51:54 AM
Sfz 20 Frank Martin (?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 10, 2008, 05:02:47 PM
But so that Luke can get a taste of his own medicine...

Tell you what - it's pleasure! To be guessing someone else's scores and not having to write my own clues...!

Might not be able to look at these clues of yours till later
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:45:35 AM
...having said that: sfz 15: Respighi, Brazillian Impressions?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 01:55:11 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 12:51:54 AM
Sfz 20 Frank Martin (?)

That's it. And the work is ...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:58:11 AM
I have ideas on 17 and 18 now.... but only on the composers, not the pieces yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:59:46 AM
Is it the Concerto pour sept instrument à vents (sorry, Johan, if it is)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 02:00:14 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 01:55:11 AM
That's it. And the work is ...?

Petite Symphonie concertante perhaps? (It's been a long time since I heard this)

Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:59:46 AM
Is it the Concerto pour sept instrument à vents (sorry, Johan, if it is)

I don't mind...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:01:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:45:35 AM
...having said that: sfz 15: Respighi, Brazillian Impressions?

Yes indeed. The central "Butantan" movement depicting (IIRC) a snake farm he visited in Brazil.

The Frank Martin is correct too (Concerto, not Petite Symphonie). Damn, you guys are good.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:02:35 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:58:11 AM
I have ideas on 17 and 18 now.... but only on the composers, not the pieces yet.

And they are ...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 02:06:30 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:02:35 AM
And they are ...?

Yes, tell us, Luke...  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 02:06:49 AM
Well, no 17 is Richard Hoffmann, and I think the orchestra piece might well be a piece called...Orchestra Piece (or Piece for Orchestra, depending what you read).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 02:07:18 AM
No 18 I'm somewhat less sure on, so I want to look a little more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:09:54 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 02:06:49 AM
Well, no 17 is Richard Hoffmann, and I think the orchestra piece might well be a piece called...Orchestra Piece (or Piece for Orchestra, depending what you read).

That's it! talk about writing a good clue. Did you actually know that, or was it the product of research?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 02:11:10 AM
Hmm, what do you think! Pretty clever clue, there, I thought...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:12:04 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 10, 2008, 07:35:11 PM
Bch
Hydn
Bethoven
Chopn
Brhms
Faré
Lgar
Dvork
Bartk
Debssy
Duks
Gk

Gk?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 02:13:20 AM
Egk?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 02:13:48 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:12:04 AM
Gk?

Werner Egk
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:14:01 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 02:11:10 AM
Hmm, what do you think! Pretty clever clue, there, I thought...

Extremely good, but not as good as sfz24

Egk. Oh.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 02:14:22 AM
I have to stop for now....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2008, 03:17:51 AM
Luke, is there one I might guess at? Which one's easy that hasn't been got yet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 03:26:49 AM
As a Messiaen fan, you ought to get no 221, which, as has already been established, is by him. Add to the fact the clue I've already given - that I mentioned this piece on another thread recently - and I can't imagine why it hasn't gone yet!

But really, I think the following are relatively simple, when taken with my clues:
215
221
228
238
242
244
245 (think laterally with the clue on this one)
247
248

Yes, seriously, I think these ones are really quite straightforward!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2008, 03:36:28 AM
Goodness me. I didn't expect a Messiaen score to look like that; the descriptions like 'suspended in endless time' are his of course, but maybe this is a late work I don't know about, I mean, he's not into this notation. It looks vaguely like the old Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament logo...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 03:42:05 AM
Piece pour le Tombeau de Paul Dukas
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 11, 2008, 03:44:45 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 11, 2008, 03:36:28 AM
Goodness me. I didn't expect a Messiaen score to look like that; the descriptions like 'suspended in endless time' are his of course, but maybe this is a late work I don't know about, I mean, he's not into this notation. It looks vaguely like the old Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament logo...

The one that Luke is actually referring to is no.220, but the link in his long list says 221, so there might be some sort of error there. 221 is by Crumb by the looks of things, but 220 is definitely by Messiaen.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2008, 03:47:17 AM
#245- I don't know! Those grace notes and phrasing across the staves are Messiaenish but the markings in German so maybe something by Stockhausen. You got me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 03:53:18 AM
Sorry, Sean - yes, the numberings got a bit mixed up. In my folder here, nos 220 and 221 are both Messiaen, no 222 is the Crumb one (Agnus Dei from the second book of Makrokosmos) which, as you say, doesn't look anything like Messiaen.

And yes, Johan, 221 is the Tombeau for Dukas

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2008, 03:59:01 AM
Okay. I can't read scores much anyway.

What really surprises me is how singers can sight read- how the heck do you judge a fith from a sixth at a glance? I was briefly in a choir a few years back singing Poulenc's superb Gloria (or the other accompanied one he wrote, whichever) and was about the only person there who was thoroughly familiar with a recording- but there was no way I could sing the tenor part...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 04:35:57 AM
247 - the typeface here looks just like that most of this composer's scores appear in, but some of the substance of the music doesn't look likely for this composer. To expand, one doesn't really expect to see too many glissandi in the music of a composer who became, probably, the leading serialist - this is quite an early work, however, and as such is now easy identify.


Babbitt?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:38:41 AM
No. Maybe you shouldn't use my 'leading serialist' bit - after all, that's only a matter of opinion. But he's every bit as famous as Babbitt; much more so, in fact.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 04:44:26 AM
Update on mine:

sfz14 If anyone should know this, it would be Maciek.
- No progress yet.

sfz15 A well-known and oft-reviled composer, much more famous for musical depictions related to his native country than this South American one
- Luke: Respighi, Brazilian Impressions

sfz16 It's a symphony whose nickname is not related to the nationality of its (American) composer, and the composer is best known for a name assumed later in life than the birth name.
- I can think of a very powerful figure in American politics who would be shocked.

sfz17 Also known as a college professor of composition, he had an association with a very great composer late in this composer's life, but it wasn't nearly as notorious as a similar relationship a non-composer had with another very great composer who lived not far from the first one.
- Richard Hoffmann, Schoenberg's secretary in the later years and a professor at Oberlin: Orchestra Piece

sfz18 Jezetha might know this, though the composer is at least as well known as a scholar of Mozart and Beethoven.
- Luke thought he knew the composer, but hasn't said.

sfz19 Another symphony whose (American) title has no relation to the composer's nationality.
- This composer is better known for his operas. but in truth is not thought of as a major figure.

sfz20 Take a vowel away from the name of one well-known composer, and you've got this composer's name.
- Martinu --> Martin, the concerto for seven winds

sfz22 A well-known name here, but not as a composer. This work was written early in his life.
- Too obvious, I suppose.

sfz24 For the piano to be sure, but not really piano music.
- I deliberately left off any of the measures preceding, which would show this is not a piano solo. A very famous composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 04:44:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:38:41 AM
No. Maybe you shouldn't use my 'leading serialist' bit - after all, that's only a matter of opinion. But he's every bit as famous as Babbitt; much more so, in fact.

Boulez
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 04:47:22 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 04:44:40 AM
Boulez

I just thought Boulez, and I'm wondering if it's from the Douze Notations. But the typeface does not appear "typical" to my eyes.

It is - positive ID. I just checked my copy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:51:04 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 04:47:22 AM
I just thought Boulez, and I'm wondering if it's from the Douze Notations. But the typeface does not appear "typical" to my eyes, nor would I call him a "leading serialist."

It is - positive ID. I just checked my copy.

Well, sorry if my clue misled. The typeface is the same as in other Boulez UE scores (e.g. Pli Selon Pli); and, well, I think of him as a leading serialist if only because, quite early on, he took the technique to its extreme (Structures I, Polyphonie X) and explored around these margins very fruitfully (Le Marteau, Structures II etc.).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:52:51 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 04:44:26 AM

sfz24 For the piano to be sure, but not really piano music.
- I deliberately left off any of the measures preceding, which would show this is not a piano solo. A very famous composer.

That much was evident from the off - this is a clear case of transcription, surely, full of typical tricks of the transcriber's trade (I'll be wrong, now, I'm sure!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 05:02:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:52:51 AM
That much was evident from the off - this is a clear case of transcription, surely, full of typical tricks of the transcriber's trade (I'll be wrong, now, I'm sure!)

Yes and no. It is an original piano part, but the piece exists also in a transcription for orchestra by the composer, and indeed he was not the only composer who transcribed some of his works. This composer worked in several genres, yet he is overwhelmingly best-known for his output in a single genre.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 05:21:24 AM
Sfz 16 - Amy Marcy Cheney Beach (aka Mrs. H.H.A. Beach) - Symphony in E minor, Op. 32, Gaelic
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 05:29:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 05:21:24 AM
Sfz 16 - Amy Marcy Cheney Beach (aka Mrs. H.H.A. Beach) - Symphony in E minor, Op. 32, Gaelic

That must be right. Very good! (Are you going to do something about your sig... ?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 05:31:38 AM
I can't, not in all honesty! Though it's a nice thought...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 05:32:30 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 05:29:18 AM
That must be right. Very good!

It has a 6/8 movement marked Allegro con fuoco too, so I'm fairly sure!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 05:35:36 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 05:31:38 AM
I can't, not in all honesty! Though it's a nice thought...

Yes, it was fun to exaggerate, though it isn't all untrue, of course.

Amy Beach is indeed right - I checked Amazon. That Allegro con fuoco was there, with the shivering strings and the fanfare-like main theme.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 05:40:11 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 05:35:36 AM
Yes, it was fun to exaggerate, though it isn't all untrue, of course.

Amy Beach is indeed right - I checked Amazon. That Allegro con fuoco was there, with the shivering strings and the fanfare-like main theme.

Amy Beach's Gaelic symphony it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 06:42:08 AM
22 - does that mean it is 1) by someone here? Or 2)that the composer (not famous for being such) shares a name with someone here? Or 3) that it is someone talked about frequently here who also composes?

If 1) to conform with your clue it would have to be by someone who composes/composed, but doesn't go on about it, e.g. previous member and 'well-known name' Larry Rinkel - though it can't be him because to my knowledge no one ever saw so much as a note of any of his music, even though he dropped hints now and then about his previous life (the secretive bugger)

If 2) ...well, did Humphrey Bogart compose?  ;D did Lilas Pastia create little ditties as he worked? did Harry (but not the Hendersons) write sasquatch music? did Michael 'Mike' Knight get his car KITT to help him write that theme tune?

If 3) Does Richard Dawkins pen atheist anthems? Does Ubloo....whatever....?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 07:16:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 06:42:08 AM
22 - does that mean it is 1) by someone here? Or 2)that the composer (not famous for being such) shares a name with someone here? Or 3) that it is someone talked about frequently here who also composes?

If 1) to conform with your clue it would have to be by someone who composes/composed, but doesn't go on about it, e.g. previous member and 'well-known name' Larry Rinkel - though it can't be him because to my knowledge no one ever saw so much as a note of any of his music, even though he dropped hints now and then about his previous life (the secretive bugger)

If 2) ...well, did Humphrey Bogart compose?  ;D did Lilas Pastia create little ditties as he worked? did Harry (but not the Hendersons) write sasquatch music? did Michael 'Mike' Knight get his car KITT to help him write that theme tune?

If 3) Does Richard Dawkins pen atheist anthems? Does Ubloo....whatever....?

Good heavens, so many possibilities. Well, you've got it. On the old Classical Insites, this fellow Larry Rinkel, who contributed quite a bit to this thread months ago, briefly posted a PDF of a piano sonatina he had written at age 16. I kept the PDF because I liked this slow movement, but otherwise I thought the piece was derivative and awkward.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 07:24:57 AM
Have you got the rest of the piece? I know Larry from the CI days - don't remember you, though, sorry - and I'm still in touch with him despite his absence here; it would be nice to have a look at some of his work.

Doesn't look too shoddy for a 16 year old. Much better than some I could mention....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 07:41:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 07:24:57 AM
Have you got the rest of the piece? I know Larry from the CI days - don't remember you, though, sorry - and I'm still in touch with him despite his absence here; it would be nice to have a look at some of his work.

Doesn't look too shoddy for a 16 year old. Much better than some I could mention....

I would ask him directly. I thought the excerpt I posted constituted "fair use," but I wouldn't put the whole of an unpublished composition on the board without permission.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 07:45:05 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 07:41:40 AM
I would ask him directly.

I suppose so. I sense he doesn't like this stuff floating around nowadays - that's why I haven't asked him -  but obviously he didn't mind so much all those years ago. He's obviously getting more secretive as he grows older!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 08:04:28 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 07:45:05 AM
I suppose so. I sense he doesn't like this stuff floating around nowadays - that's why I haven't asked him -  but obviously he didn't mind so much all those years ago. He's obviously getting more secretive as he grows older!

As I remember him, there's nothing he more despised than people who used the Internet as a vehicle for self-promotion because they couldn't get their stuff published or played through normal channels. So two days after he felt pressured to post his sonata at CI, he deleted it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 08:06:17 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 07:24:57 AM
Have you got the rest of the piece? I know Larry from the CI days - don't remember you, though, sorry -

No problem. I used a different handle then. As Sforzando I only happened on this forum about six months ago.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on May 11, 2008, 08:08:03 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 07:24:57 AM
I know Larry from the CI days -

Who is Larry?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 11, 2008, 08:19:17 AM
I am Larry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 08:24:58 AM
I'm Larry, and so's my wife..
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 08:31:06 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 08:04:28 AM
As I remember him, there's nothing he more despised than people who used the Internet as a vehicle for self-promotion because they couldn't get their stuff published or played through normal channels.

Ouch!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 11, 2008, 08:35:02 AM
Yes I thought that was a bit harsh too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 09:16:18 AM
TTT again

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - ? - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - ?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 09:22:24 AM
Guess what?

That's right - there's always room for a few more! Here are six new ones...but only four composers (all very famous)

LO 251, 252, 253, 254
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 09:23:06 AM
LO 255. 256
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 11, 2008, 08:35:02 AM
Yes I thought that was a bit harsh too!

And so did I.

Although, as a writer, I don't plan on having a website till after I have really established myself. So far I have been published only in literary magazines, and my first novel isn't finished yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 09:44:55 AM
And so did I.

I would agree as well. Larry wasn't always the most tolerant soul you'll ever meet. But what I think he really disliked were not the serious people like Jezetha who are truly trying to establish themselves - e.g., not via self-publication on the Internet but through legitimate, refereed venues like literary magazines, or the young people who were truly trying to learn (he doted on Rappy) - but the self-proclaimed geniuses who litter the Internet with their "creations" or their "blogs," as if they are God's gift to mankind, finished artists who sprung like Athena from the head of Zeus invariably "self-trained," and any criticism of their work is motivated solely by malice, spite, or envy.

254 is that recently found Chopin waltz with the trill.
253 is a polonaise of some sort, could be Schubert or Chopin - but the pianistic texture is rather thin for the latter.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 12:13:27 PM
#252, Maurice Ravel: Ronsard à son âme: Amelette Ronsardelette
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:23:51 PM
Yes to both

1) the Chopin Trill piece - but it's not a waltz, it's another attempt at an E flat minor prelude for op 28, as reconstructed by Kallberg. Nor recently discovered - it's been known of for years, but proved intractable to anyone trying to decipher it until now. Attached, the version one can download elsewhere online...

and

2) the Ravel song. Apparently this exquisite, refined gem was Ravel's favourite amongst his own songs....because he could play it and hold a cigarette at the same time.

It's something I've kept relatively unmentioned because my passion for Janacek always rears its head first, but my passion for Ravel lags only a short way behind. His songs are absolute treasures
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:23:51 PM
Yes to both

1) the Chopin Trill piece - but it's not a waltz, it's another attempt at an E flat minor prelude for op 28, as reconstructed by Kallberg. Attached, the version one can download elsewhere online...

and

2) the Ravel song. Apparently this exquisite, refined gem was Ravel's favourite amongst his own songs....because he could play it and hold a cigarette at the same time.

It's something I've kept relatively unmentioned because my passion for Janacek always rears its head first, but my passion for Ravel lags only a short way behind. His songs are absolute treasures

How 'bout that polonaise?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 12:28:15 PM
Okay: #256 Maurice Ravel - Noël des jouets
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Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
Johan - yes, of course! This set is pretty easy, isn't it, what with there being two by each of two famous composers, lots of texts, and me banging on about my love of Ravel songs!

Do you know these songs? I may have to upload them if not... ;D

Sfz - Well, it is a polonaise, yes, and it is by one of the two you mention.

Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 11:48:17 AM
But what I think he really disliked were not the serious people like Jezetha who are truly trying to establish themselves - e.g., not through the Internet but through legitimate venues like literary magazines, or the young people who were truly trying to learn (he doted on Rappy) - but the self-proclaimed geniuses who litter the Internet with their "creations" or their "blogs," as if they are God's gift to mankind, finished artists who sprung like Athena from the head of Zeus invariably "self-trained," and any criticism of their work is motivated solely by malice, spite, or envy.

I can't think of an example of the sort of person he may have had in mind..... ;D
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Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
Johan - yes, of course! This set is pretty easy, isn't it, what with there being two by each of two famous composers, lots of texts, and me banging on about my love of Ravel songs!

Do you know these songs? I may have to upload them if not... ;D

No. But I liked what I saw... So, if you want to upload them!

I did sing some Debussy songs, though, when I took singing-lessons more than twenty years ago, Verlaine-settings ('il pleurt dans mon coeur' et cetera).
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
Sfz - Well, it is a polonaise, yes, and it is by one of the two you mention.

Then it's Chobert or Schupin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:40:51 PM
 ;D Half right, I suppose!

The piece shares a feature with that Rinkel piece you posted....
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Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Ravel - Ronsard a son ame  :)
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Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
Ravel - Noël des jouets  :)
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Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 12:58:51 PM
Excellent! Thank you, Luke!

Just listened to them - the Ronsard poem is wonderful in itself, and the song is beautiful (though I don't like the rather constricted voice of the singer). The second, Christmas, song is marvellous, the voice very French (the word 'tangy' springs to mind) and the close really ringing. 'Noël' is a great word, of course, with its powerful iambic thrust.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 12:40:51 PM
;D Half right, I suppose!

The piece shares a feature with that Rinkel piece you posted....

A piece of juvenalia by Chopin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 01:40:06 PM
Bingo! I suppose that's the full answer, then - a polonaise by Chopin, composed at the age of 7, it seems. So we can forgive him the thin texture!
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
Keep going:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
#248 - Ustvolskaja: Sixth Piano Sonata

Sfz 29 - Angelo Gilardino: Variazioni sulla Follía

Sfz 28 There is a Tarantella in Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
#248 - Ustvolskaja: Sixth Piano Sonata


Yep!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
Sfz 29 - Angelo Gilardino: Variazioni sulla Follía

Sfz 28 There is a Tarantella in Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker...

29 - Correct nationality

28 - If so, I can't place it offhand. But it's not this Tarantella.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
Another guess at the Mosolov: Three Pieces for piano, op. 23a?
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Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 03:54:11 PM
Johan guessed at Sfz 29 with such certainty I assumed he was right. but this is Berio's Sequenza XI, I think.

Johan, you are very close indeed with this guess on the Mosolov. But not quite there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 03:57:51 PM
Mosolov again: Two Dances, op 23b? Or Nocturnes, op 15?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:00:52 PM
Yes, that's better - the score doesn't split between op 23a and 23b as you do, so you'd have been better to stick just to op 23! But, yes this is the end of the first dance and the beginning of the second.

Quote from: Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 03:50:13 PM

28 - If so, I can't place it offhand. But it's not this Tarantella.

The Nutcracker Tarentella comes before the 'Sugar Plum' and after the great Intrada (an incredible piece), as part of the Pas de deux sequence. But as you say, it isn't this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 11, 2008, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:00:52 PM
Yes, that's better - the score doesn't split between op 23a and 23b as you do, so you'd have been better to stick just to op 23! But, yes this is the end of the first dance and the beginning of the second.

There is a dance-rhythm in that fragment alright...

Okay. Nuff guessed. I'm off! Goodnight, all!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 11, 2008, 04:05:25 PM
There is a dance-rhythm in that fragment alright...

Okay. Nuff guessed. I'm off! Goodnight, all!


Goo'night. I'm off too, I think....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:00:52 PM
Yes, that's better - the score doesn't split between op 23a and 23b as you do, so you'd have been better to stick just to op 23! But, yes this is the end of the first dance and the beginning of the second.

The Nutcracker Tarentella comes before the 'Sugar Plum' and after the great Intrada (an incredible piece), as part of the Pas de deux sequence. But as you say, it isn't this one.

Nonetheless, think dance and it may help you find this tarantella. A clue to the other piece is found in the prompt to the post.

It's only eight in the evening here!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 11, 2008, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:00:52 PM
...the great Intrada (an incredible piece)

I like this movement a much as the next man, but why would you class it as 'an incredible piece'?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 03:54:11 PM
Johan guessed at Sfz 29 with such certainty I assumed he was right. but this is Berio's Sequenza XI, I think.

Sorry, I missed this. It is of course for guitar, and the words "Keep going" in my prompt were intended as a clue to Berio (from the Sinfonia).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 04:18:11 PM
@ Guido, re the Tchaikovsky - It's so very powerful, crushing almost, in its special kind of desperate passion, and yet, unlike many such things, it is utterly, classically poised and chaste. The intense urge behind this music is the desire to exalt beauty and the feminine (the standard choreography emphasizes this) - so to me the music simply expresses a kind of desperate love of what is good in the world. There aren't many other pieces I can think of that attain this special kind of poise between passion and clarity - Humperdinck's Hansel und Gretel has one such passage (it is one of my scores above); I suppose one could put certain moments in Bruckner into this bracket, though I think that's a slightly different case.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 11, 2008, 04:31:37 PM
Very interesting. It's been a while since I listened to this piece... maybe its time to hear it again.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2008, 06:23:41 PM
While Europe sleeps:

And some further clues on the 4 older ones of mine unguessed:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181076.html#msg181076

Sfz14 - This was arranged by a modern composer, but it's old music.
Sfz18 - Not only did he publish widely on Mozart, but he was also deeply involved with the major orchestra of his rather small country. This particular piece dates from 1957.
Sfz19 - If you visit the Wikipedia article for this composer, you'll find he is considered best known for his operas.
Sfz24 - Like a passage in a work by a composer this composer was obsessed with, this piece is an ecstatic personification of a season.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 10:59:33 PM
Well, 30 = Schumann, Fantasy op 17
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 11:02:24 PM
Good morning, everyone, btw!

I have to go to work in a short while, so won't be able to follow up on these tantalising clues till later..
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 12, 2008, 03:35:15 AM
And a belated good morning to you, Luke!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 10:59:33 PM
Well, 30 = Schumann, Fantasy op 17

So it appears, and so it is. But I need something more specific.

Let's see if revealing a bit more of Sfz24 helps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on May 12, 2008, 04:07:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 11, 2008, 11:02:24 PM
Good morning, everyone, btw!

Good morning to you, our dear, dear Luke ..........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 04:12:30 AM
Quote from: Dm on May 12, 2008, 04:07:37 AM
Good morning to you, our dear, dear Luke ..........

This is sounding like the bit from Peter Grimes where all the good townspeople go around singing Good morning! to each other. Anybody have any guesses on the scores?  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 05:01:18 AM
Oh, the Schumann's the original ending to the last movement, isn't it? With the reminiscence of the first movement....
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Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 12, 2008, 05:07:43 AM
Re the Schumann Fantasy - the ending quotes Beethoven's beautiful song-cycle 'An die ferne Geliebte' ('Nimm' sie hin denn, diese Lieder').

Oh, and - hello, everyone!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 05:15:19 AM
That's right. In the later version, Schumann apparently got "cold feet" and replaced the reminiscence of the first movement with a continuation of the arpeggios through to the end - and this is the more familiar version usually heard today, even though it is probably less imaginative.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 05:25:14 AM
Regarding Sfz31: Although when this score was first recorded timpani (and possibly some other percussion - can't recall) were added, as originally conceived the instrumental forces were limited to piano and harp.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 12, 2008, 05:58:07 AM
sfz 29- Berio- Sequenza for guitar (i didn't look at the replies!)  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 06:12:16 AM
All fascinatingly detailed in Rosen's Romantic Generation. The self-quotation of the first movement's quasi-Beethoven-quotation, which is itself also a 'Clara' cipher ('now take these songs...' thus taking on a personal significance) - this seems to have been revealing too much for Schumann.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 12, 2008, 06:20:13 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 06:12:16 AM
All fascinatingly detailed in Rosen's Romantic Generation. The self-quotation of the first movement's quasi-Beethoven-quotation, which is itself also a 'Clara' cipher ('now take these songs...' thus taking on a personal significance) - this seems to have been revealing too much for Schumann.

I once borrowed Rosen's book from the library, and dipped into it here and there. But it's really a book to own. I do have The Classical Style, fortunately...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 12, 2008, 06:56:40 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 12, 2008, 06:20:13 AM
I do have The Classical Style, fortunately...

You do, indeed, Johan!

And I am sure you own the book of that title, too  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 12, 2008, 07:07:02 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 12, 2008, 06:56:40 AM
You do, indeed, Johan!

And I am sure you own the book of that title, too  8)

1) Plaudit blushingly acknowledged;

2) Said book is in my possession, yes.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 08:12:50 AM
Could Sfz 14 be Penderecki's Sinfonietta no 1 for strings, second movement, Vivace. An arrangement of his own string trio - 'old music', indeed!  It would fit the clue, though the Amazon clip I've just listened to doesn't match the score sample particularly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 08:26:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 08:12:50 AM
Could Sfz 14 be Penderecki's Sinfonietta no 1 for strings, second movement, Vivace. An arrangement of his own string trio - 'old music', indeed!  It would fit the clue, though the Amazon clip I've just listened to doesn't match the score sample particularly.

Correct on the nationality, but that's all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 08:27:54 AM
Panufnik's Old Polish Suite?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 08:30:19 AM
...no, I don't think it's that either.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 08:34:46 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 08:30:19 AM
...no, I don't think it's that either.....

But it is! (Or it is in the B+H pocket score of Panufnik's Old Polish Music. If you need the exact spot, I'll check tonight when I'm home again.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 08:41:40 AM
Excellent - none of the movements I found seemed to be Vivace, that's all
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 12, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Where is the Pole (Maciek) when you need him (= to trump Luke)?!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 12, 2008, 08:48:03 AM
Cherchez le polonais!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 09:00:36 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 12, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Where is the Pole (Maciek) when you need him (= to trump Luke)?!  ;)

:'( :'( :'(

;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 09:01:29 AM
Personally, I'm just surprised that there's any Polish music left...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 12, 2008, 02:12:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 12, 2008, 08:41:40 AM
Excellent - none of the movements I found seemed to be Vivace, that's all

Yes as far as I remember none of the movements were marked Vivace when I played it. Perhaps he revised it? I really should have got that one - the Interlude movement (second) is one of my favourite things ever. Ever.

EDIT: Just checked my itunes - says I've played that interlude 43 times! Way more than anything else.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 03:17:42 PM
OK, let's straighten this out. Panufnik is correct as the composer; however, this is not from the Old Polish Suite per se. But it is a work that falls under the heading of "Old Polish Music," and if you can think of some of the others he worked on that are similar, you should get it easily.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 12, 2008, 04:17:33 PM
Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - I Preambulum: Vivace

(Sorry, Luke...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 04:47:15 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 12, 2008, 04:17:33 PM
Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - I Preambulum: Vivace

(Sorry, Luke...)

!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2008, 05:29:54 PM
I am surprised my 24 is still unguessed. The composer is quite well-known and primarily for a single genre as represented in my 24a.

The others are perhaps harder. My 31 might not be thought of as a piece of "classical music," but be that as it may, it has achieved fantastic worldwide popularity since it was first performed in the latter half of the past century - to the point where I think it could be legitimately said that scarcely a day went by without a live performance for several decades.

18 and 19 are not extremely well-known composers, but I think my clues have been pretty good. Of the one, his operas are much more popular in Germany than in Britain or America. Of the other, he is Dutch. Jezetha?

28 - the tarantella - seems unknown here, but any balletomane would pin it down in five seconds.

Look hard at the wording of some of my clues including the older ones; there's more here than might meet the eye.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 12, 2008, 11:04:06 PM
Sfz 28 - Gottschalk, Grand Tarantelle? (which Balanchine turned into a ballet)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 02:40:31 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 12, 2008, 11:04:06 PM
Sfz 28 - Gottschalk, Grand Tarantelle? (which Balanchine turned into a ballet)

Yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 13, 2008, 03:29:43 AM
For what it's worth my best reading of Sfz's 31 certainly has the fragment of a tune in my head but I can't say what.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:32:08 AM
I think I'm close to working out where 31 is from, but if I'm right it's not really my area of expertise... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 03:57:37 AM
I would say Sean (now Guest again) is correct.
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 05:23:50 AM
Since we're not getting anywhere with Sfz24, how about another piece by the same composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 05:45:56 AM
Is 24 'Er ist's' by Wolf, then?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 06:01:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 05:45:56 AM
Is 24 'Er ist's' by Wolf, then?

Das ist's! and 32 is . . . . ?

(And 18, 19, and 31 are . . . . ?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 06:37:34 AM
I'll tell you yours if you tell me mine....  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 06:51:14 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 06:37:34 AM
I'll tell you yours if you tell me mine....  ;D

Believe me, if I knew any more of yours I would say right away!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 06:58:50 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 06:01:18 AM
Das ist's! and 32 is . . . . ?

Oh, 32 - the new one! It's Wolf too, of course - Ganymed from the Goethe-Lieder
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 07:14:14 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 06:58:50 AM
Oh, 32 - the new one! It's Wolf too, of course - Ganymed from the Goethe-Lieder

One of his most beautiful achievements.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 02:42:59 PM
Oh, did I forget to mention? - Sfz 18: Marius Flothuis - Symphonische Muziek op 59  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 13, 2008, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 02:42:59 PM
Oh, did I forget to mention? - Sfz 18: Marius Flothuis - Symphonische Muziek op 59  0:)

I thought 19 was a Dutch composer...

If you're right, you have embarrassed this Dutchman! But I know Flothuis as a scholar more than as a composer...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
You don't know what you're missing!!  :o :o :o :o





(Nor do I)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 13, 2008, 02:54:36 PM
I thought 19 was a Dutch composer...

Sfz's last clue (top of this page) may make it seem that way (inadvertently, I assume). But if you read all his clues together, it's clear he means no 18.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 13, 2008, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:05:46 PM
Sfz's last clue (top of this page) may make it seem that way (inadvertently, I assume). But if you read all his clues together, it's clear he means no 18.

Yes, looking at the scores that seems to make more sense (the Flothuis looks like those facsimile scores from Donemus).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:05:46 PM
Sfz's last clue (top of this page) may make it seem that way (inadvertently, I assume).

No, very deliberately, though I probably should have phrased it thus to maintain parallelism:

19 and 18 are not extremely well-known composers, but I think my clues have been pretty good. Of the one, his operas are much more popular in Germany than in Britain or America. Of the other, he is Dutch.

Think about it, Freunde. (And there's a huge clue there if you know how to use it!)

Flothuis's Symphonic Music it is, an LP I've had for decades since it was issued on Donemus, coupled with a piece by Kees Van Baaren. It's a nice score (though I haven't heard for decades myself). And Flothuis is probably better known for his work on the Mozart Ausgabe and other scholarship.

How did you get it, Luke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 03:28:16 PM
No, very deliberately, though I probably should have phrased it thus to maintain parallelism:

19 and 18 are not extremely well-known composers, but I think my clues have been pretty good. Of the one, his operas are much more popular in Germany than in Britain or America. Of the other, he is Dutch.

Maybe I'm missing something, but here you say 19 and 18; above you say 18 and 19. Hence the confusion. Anyway, it doesn't matter...  :)

Quote from: Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 03:28:16 PM
Flothuis's Symphonic Music it is, an LP I've had for decades since it was issued on Donemus, coupled with a piece by Kees Van Baaren. It's a nice score (though I haven't heard for decades myself). How did you get it, Luke?

Well, obviously I recognised the music immediately and was just waiting to see if anyone else got it....

Actually, it was quite a tricky one, mostly because it was time-consuming. I tried various tacks, but each one led to looking through very long lists and many hopeful but blind alleys. Among other things, I found out about a number of musicologists; among them I saw the name Marius Flothuis but as it wasn't the line I was following at that point, I didn't take it further. I didn't do the obvious thing until later - to search through the history of the Concertgebouw - but when I did so I saw his name again. A little more looking brought up a nice 25 page PDF catalogue of his writing, his musical output, plus a lengthy essay. Which confirmed that he fitted all your clues - Dutch, closely linked to the Concertgebouw, many publications on Mozart (why he didn't show up in my searches I don't know!), wrote an orchestral piece (seemingly regarded as one of his best works) in 1957.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 13, 2008, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:38:34 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but here you say 19 and 18; above you say 18 and 19. Hence the confusion. Anyway, it doesn't matter...  :)

Well, obviously I recognised the music immediately and was just waiting to see if anyone else got it....

Actually, it was quite a tricky one, mostly because it was time-consuming. I tried various tacks, but each one led to looking through very long lists and many hopeful but blind alleys. Among other things, I found out about a number of musicologists; among them I saw the name Marius Flothuis but as it wasn't the line I was following at that point, I didn't take it further. I didn't do the obvious thing until later - to search through the history of the Concertgebouw - but when I did so I saw his name again. A little more looking brought up a nice 25 page PDF catalogue of his writing, his musical output, plus a lengthy essay. Which confirmed that he fitted all your clues - Dutch, closely linked to the Concertgebouw, many publications on Mozart (why he didn't show up in my searches I don't know!), wrote an orchestral piece (seemingly regarded as one of his best works) in 1957.

Very impressive, Holmes!

See you all tomorrow, sleep beckons...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2008, 04:26:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 13, 2008, 03:38:34 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but here you say 19 and 18; above you say 18 and 19.

I did say: "I probably should have phrased it thus to maintain parallelism." (And I don't use italics that often, so . . . . )

I suppose this one is really proving a trial to you guys. Who would have expected such trouble from one of my examples? Not to mention the other - but I do admit you guys have done fantastically well so far.

So I hope I get the right answers from one of you.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 13, 2008, 11:01:52 PM
Sforzando, you are cruel...

Okay - your clues for 19: the composer isn't a major figure, he is mainly remembered for his operas, but is played more in Germany than in America or Britain, and the American title of the work is at variance with his nationality.

Looking at the score, the composer is from the 19th century; he is probably German; the music is either from a symphony (first or last movement), or part of an overture.

When I think of minor German opera composers of the nineteenth century who are still played in Germany, I think of Lortzing and Marschner.

I see that Marschner wrote an opera called 'Austin' in 1852... Is this the overture to that work?

This is as far as I can get without any further clues.

P.S. If I am wrong (and I am, of course!), please suggest why...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 12:21:46 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 13, 2008, 11:01:52 PM
Sforzando, you are cruel...

Okay - your clues for 19: the composer isn't a major figure, he is mainly remembered for his operas, but is played more in Germany than in America or Britain, and the American title of the work is at variance with his nationality.

Looking at the score, the composer is from the 19th century; he is probably German; the music is either from a symphony (first or last movement), or part of an overture.

When I think of minor German opera composers of the nineteenth century who are still played in Germany, I think of Lortzing and Marschner.

I see that Marschner wrote an opera called 'Austin' in 1852... Is this the overture to that work?

This is as far as I can get without any further clues.

P.S. If I am wrong (and I am, of course!), please suggest why...

Sfz said that 19 was a symphony (pg 107), Believe me, I've been through dozens and dozens (and dozens) of German opera-speicalist composers, and I can't find one who wrote a symphony with an American-themed subtitled (except Abert, who wrote a Columbus symphony, but it's in D major). I may well have missed something, but of course it also may well not be a German composer....

31 is also causing me trouble. But again, I'm exploring 'certain avenues'...

But how about mine?? My clues are much more generous than stingy old Sforzando - I even tell you exactly how to find the composer's identity sometimes - and yet we're still missing quite a few!  >:D ;D

Next post, my clues again --->
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 12:23:15 AM

215 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865) - a notational experiment - an attempt to do away with 'tuplet' figures and brackets and replace them with noteheads of different shapes. As I said to Mark re his jest about The Sacred Harp, this composer is associated with a similar phrase - 'The ?? Harp'; he's already been on this thread, a long time back. Karl identified the composer - Cowell - but not the piece yet

219 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892) - composer much more famous as a legendary pianist who died too early; he recorded this piece and it is available on one of the great CDs, though it isn't the major draw. The major draw on those CDs is the pianist playing the works of a greater composer, also one of the great violinists, who he also accompanies. As revealed above, either this one or  234 is by John Ogdon.

223 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894) - this one is really hard, to be fair, even though the title is left in - it's quite an unhelpful title, though. I just really like the sound of this piece, and it's an excuse to post an audio clip later for those who might be interested in hearing something so odd. As you can see, the piece progresses mostly in harmonics, and the guitar is tuned microtonally - the whole thing, as the indication says 'with rapt concentration, as if telling a strange tale'. British composer, quite obscure but linked to the complexity group (if there is such a thing), has written many similarly titled pieces for piano, all of which explore the instrument in similar ways. I don't expect this one to go, but if you're determined to find it, look for a complexity composer associated with Finnissy etc., composer of a series of pieces called 'For Piano' and recorded by Ian Pace among others. With those facts, he ought to be much easier to find.

226 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857) - I put this one up because it is pertinent at the moment, just as my 203 was pertinent when I put it up (a glance at 203 might help to see what I'm talking about). Alright, then - why was 203 pertinent? Because it's by Hoddinott, who, when I posted it, had just died.....ergo....

228 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977) - a quick examination reveals what is going on here. This is one of its composer's most well-known works, I think, though recently his name has been in the news for an altogether larger piece, about which we had a thread here.

229 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977) - I chose a sample which includes this composer's trademark technique in its baldest form. What is going on with the time signatures? Who does this sort of thing a lot?

232 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - not quite for the forces it looks like. Guido got the composer - Feldman. Remember that Feldman sometimes distributes his music around the staves as he does in odd ways, to do with keeping things clear, in this case, the various rhythmical strands.

233 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - possibly the piano left-hand and the stave beneath will help here. The composer was born on the Russo-Turkish frontier, in either 1866 (he said) or 187(his sister said)!; a kind of philosopher of religion (Christian and Buddhist, mostly) who developed a way of thinking described variously as 'the Fourth Way' or 'the Way of the Cunning Man'. Time said of him that he was 'a remarkable blend of P. T. Barnum, Rasputin, Freud, Groucho Marx, and everybody's grandfather.'

234 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - as stated earlier, the composer was much better known as a prodigiously gifted, prematurely deceased pianist with an impressive repertoire ranging from the classics to Boulez and Sorabji. As revealed above, either this one or no 219 is by John Ogdon.

238 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979) - not a composer associated with the piano, which instrument isn't very well suited to the technical concerns he developed later in life. This piece, slightly earlier, isn't quite there yet. It refers to the music and culture of an Asian country often bypassed by western composers looking for an Eastern fix. That country is Tibet; this composer visited Tibet and Nepal, I believe, and was greatly influenced by Hinduism and Buddhism.

240 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342) - a fairly early score by an experimental composer who has now achieved great popularity. British, previously a jazz bassist. Has been on this thread before.

242 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342) - if you closely, you'll see fragments from a well-known piece in here. That's because this is the cadenza to a concerto by probably the finest writer of piano concerti (pace Brahms, Beethoven and Elgar/Wagner/Schnittke/Pettersen/Dittersdorf/Mendelssohn...). It was written by the British composer of another rather cool piano concerto, and demonstrates his typical textural invention and superior powers of imagination.

244 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - look at the technique involved here; the composer is quite clear then. We had a piece by this composer a long time back, and Mark identified it then - he spotted that the piece was a complex canon at various speeds, as is this one, though it's much simpler here. Who composes such things.

245 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - One of a set of pieces, all of which start with the same letter. This one is the last; it depicts a nightingale with a cold. The letter is R, and thus the piece's title is....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 12:24:13 AM
...and finally, the list again:

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - ? - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien)?  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Emsley - For Guitar 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - Gurdjieff - something-or-other-I'll-find-out-later - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - Bryars - Mr Sunshine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - Britten - Cadenza for Mozart K482 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
257 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)
29 - Vaughan Williams - Romance - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183089.html#msg183089)
30a-c - Ives - Skethces for Universe Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183247.html#msg183247)
31 - Korngold - Romance-Impromptu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183257.html#msg183257)
32 - Ives - Some Southpaw Pitching - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
33 - Honegger - Cello concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
34 - Ysaye - Solo Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 -  Flothuis - Symphonic Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - von Einem - Philadelphia Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - Schmidt - The Fantasticks - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
33 - Wagner - Die Meistersinger.. - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182476.html#msg182476)
34 - Wagner - Das Rheingold - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182515.html#msg182515)
35 - Alkan - Allegro Barbaro (no 5, Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
36 - Massenet - Don Quichotte - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
37 - Schumann - Genoveva - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 12:42:23 AM
233 is Gurdjieff.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 01:06:57 AM
Yes it is. And frankly, that will do - I have no idea how you'd track down which of his little pieces this is, nor how I could leave a clue to help you do so, nor (in fact) do I remember myself which one it is. And I don't want to go trawling through all the hundreds of pages of Gurdjieff scores I've found myself owning to find it. So that's the final answer, as far as I'm concerned!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 01:15:03 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 01:06:57 AM
Yes it is. And frankly, that will do - I have no idea how you'd track down which of his little pieces this is, nor how I could leave a clue to help you do so, nor (in fact) do I remember myself which one it is. And I don't want to go trawling through all the hundreds of pages of Gurdjieff scores I've found myself owning to find it. So that's the final answer, as far as I'm concerned!

Thank you, thank you, thank you...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 02:37:59 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 13, 2008, 11:01:52 PM
Sforzando, you are cruel...

Okay - your clues for 19: the composer isn't a major figure, he is mainly remembered for his operas, but is played more in Germany than in America or Britain, and the American title of the work is at variance with his nationality.

And I see this is proving a trial for you, and if you visit his Wikipedia article you'll see he's best known for his operas, and I would have expected the correct answer from one of you, and he's from one later century.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 03:04:03 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 02:37:59 AM
And I see this is proving a trial for you, and if you visit his Wikipedia article you'll see he's best known for his operas, and I would have expected the correct answer from one of you, and he's from one later century.  :D

For this relief much thanks...

But I'm no nearer to an answer.

Yet.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 03:14:15 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 02:37:59 AM
and I would have expected the correct answer from one of you...

yes, I'm deeply disappointed too ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 14, 2008, 03:49:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 12:23:15 AM
245 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - One of a set of pieces, all of which start with the same letter. This one is the last; it depicts a nightingale with a cold. The letter is R, and thus the piece's title is....

Le rossignol
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 03:52:27 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 14, 2008, 03:49:39 AM
Le rossignol

Whose? But I don't think so -

Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 10, 2008, 04:31:40 AM
No. Nor Couperin's 'Rossignol en amour' (let's not forget the genius of Couperin in our praise of Scarlatti and Rameau!). Nor Satie's 'rossignol qui aurait mal aux dents'.... (though that one is closest as it too has a medical affliction!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 14, 2008, 03:55:32 AM
Thanks for getting me up to speed on this, Johan!

(I don't know whose, and I certainly didn't take it for Stravinsky's.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 04:03:48 AM
How 'bout posting a few yourself, Karl?  :D

I have to spend more time with Luke's clues tonight. But as for my two unguessed ones - well, start by thinking about major American cities. I definitely expect the correct answer from one of you! I'm going to attach one more clue below. You don't even need to identify this extremely famous work (though you might as well) to see that it's yet another clue staring you in the face as to Sfz19.

As I say, I expect the answer from one of you eventually.

As for my other - well, I'm sure someone knows it. Just try to remember all the clues I've given you, and you'll get it. This is such a fantastic thread!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 04:20:19 AM
# 223 is Richard Emsley.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 04:22:28 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 14, 2008, 04:20:19 AM
# 223 is Richard Emsley.

Whom I've never even heard of!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 04:25:11 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 04:22:28 AM
Whom I've never even heard of!  :D

Neither had I, before I discovered his name a few minutes ago...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 05:28:05 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 04:03:48 AM
How 'bout posting a few yourself, Karl?  :D

I have to spend more time with Luke's clues tonight. But as for my two unguessed ones - well, start by thinking about major American cities. I definitely expect the correct answer from one of you! I'm going to attach one more clue below. You don't even need to identify this extremely famous work (though you might as well) to see that it's yet another clue staring you in the face as to Sfz19.

As I say, I expect the answer from one of you eventually.


Well, that's obviously from Meistersinger, part of the song contest IIRC, and your ever-so-subtle hints above about a 'trial' had already got me thinking on those lines. But no more than that yet.

Richard Emsley is right. Surprised you hadn't heard of him - he's every bit as famous as Richard Hoffmann and Marius Flothuis  ;D It's quite a beautiful piece, this - I may post some of it later....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 05:30:44 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 14, 2008, 03:49:39 AM
Le rossignol

No. I don't think you guys are reading the clue correctly. Be more literal. You all know of this piece, by name anyway, I am sure. And forget about the nightingale; in itself it's not that important.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 05:38:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 05:28:05 AM
Well, that's obviously from Meistersinger, part of the song contest IIRC, and your ever-so-subtle hints above about a 'trial' had already got me thinking on those lines. But no more than that yet.

"Trial" is a useful word here, but perhaps another clue should help get me a correct answer from one of you.

As for Luke's, I'm thinking the Tibet-Nepal connection in 238 could refer to Philip Glass, and the piano concerto could be by Bliss - but since I've heard that work once and thought it God-awful, I doubt it.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 05:47:32 AM
That one's from Rheingold - Alberich climbing the rocks to steal the gold, I think.

The Tibet one (forget Nepal) - no (doesn't look like Glass, does it?)

And the concerto - it's not Bliss. A better, more famous composer. But as I've already said, this is the cadenza to a concerto by a different composer (and a much, much, much, much more famous composer than any of them), so in finding that different concerto (which you can do by looking in detail at the substance of the music) you will have a big help in finding the composer of the cadenza.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 05:57:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 05:47:32 AM
1) That one's from Rheingold - Alberich climbing the rocks to steal the gold, I think.

2) The Tibet one (forget Nepal) - no (doesn't look like Glass, does it?)

3) And the concerto - it's not Bliss.

1) True, but the clue I expect a lightbulb to go on from one of you is not specifically rocks, climbing, stealing, gold, or Alberich-specific. A somewhat more noble composer's name.

2) Not at all.

3) That's a relief. Is Mozart the composer of the "different" concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:02:23 AM
Yes, he is. The key helps too, I suspect. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:04:53 AM
Oh, you mean you're still talking about no 19! Sorry, I forgot that one, solved it ages ago.... ( ;D ;D ;D :-\ :-\ :-\ :-[ :-[ :-[ )

von Einem's Philadelphia symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:11:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:04:53 AM
Oh, you mean no 19! Sorry, I forgot that one ( ;D ;D ;D :-\ :-\ :-\ :-[ :-[ :-[ )

von Einem's Philadelphia symphony.

I knew I'd finally get it from One of you. How did you figure it out after all the clues staring you in the face? (Look closely at those Wagnerian stage directions: "Er holt aus dem Gemerk die Tafel herbei und hält sie, während des Folgenden, von Einem zum Andern sich wendend, den Meistern zur Prüfung vor." Visit the Wikipedia page - opera based on Dürrenmatt. Of the one, of the other. A real trial - opera based on Kafka. A somewhat noble name. ;D )

And I see an allusion to the start of the C minor sonata K. 457 in your first Mozart cadenza measure - key C minor, concerto K. 491?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:27:41 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:11:21 AM
I knew I'd finally get it from One of you. How did you figure it out after all the clues staring you in the face? (Look closely at those Wagnerian stage directions: "Er holt aus dem Gemerk die Tafel herbei und hält sie, während des Folgenden, von Einem zum Andern sich wendend, den Meistern zur Prüfung vor." Visit the Wikipedia page - opera based on Dürrenmatt. Of the one, of the other. A real trial - opera based on Kafka. A somewhat noble name. ;D )

To be honest, it was the stage directions. I tried searching for the Wiki page you hinted at, but it was quite hard to work in the opposite direction, and I gave it up as a lost cause after examining lots of composers who were quite obviously not the ones! Once I'd seen the stage directions, though, things like the 'noble name' fitted, and when I checked the Wiki page it fitted too. Though it doesn't list this symphony - I had to go a little further to find that one.

Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:11:21 AM
And I see an allusion to the start of the C minor sonata K. 457 in your first Mozart cadenza measure - key C minor, concerto K. 491?

No, but that's relatively good....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:35:57 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:27:41 AM
No, but that's relatively good....

Relatively good in the sense of a relative minor to E flat?

(Can't get to a piano now to play this.)

Britten did a cadenza to K 482 in E flat.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:42:08 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:35:57 AM
Relatively good in the sense of a relative minor to E flat?

Yep. I'm beginning to learn from you, the master of subterfuge, you see!

Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:35:57 AM(Can't get to a piano now to play this.)

Look at the shape and rhythm of the left had, end of second line (the bit that merges into what you thought was a Hammerklavier reference). This is the clearest, least obscured reference to an important and memorable motive from the concerto proper.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:43:25 AM
The composer of this cadenza, btw, was a very fine pianist indeed, but he composed it for a friend and associate of his, an even finer one (one of the finest, in fact).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:43:46 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:42:08 AM
Yep. I'm beginning to learn from you, the master of subterfuge, you see!

Look at the shape and rhythm of the left had, end of second line (the bit that merges into what you thought was a Hammerklavier reference). This is the clearest, least obscured reference to an important and memorable motive from the concerto proper.

Not Britten then? (Pianist = Richter.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 06:53:14 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:04:53 AM
Oh, you mean you're still talking about no 19! Sorry, I forgot that one, solved it ages ago.... ( ;D ;D ;D :-\ :-\ :-\ :-[ :-[ :-[ )

von Einem's Philadelphia symphony.

Chapeau, Luke! Why didn't I think of von Einem?! Darn...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:55:03 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:43:46 AM
Not Britten then? (Pianist = Richter.)

Yes. So this is Britten's cadenza for Richter, for the first movement of a Mozart concerto in E flat. No tricks here - you just need which of the E flat concerti it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:56:16 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 06:55:03 AM
Yes. So this is Britten's cadenza for Richter, for the first movement of a Mozart concerto in E flat. No tricks here - you just need which of the E flat concerti it is.

482 - said it above, but perhaps you missed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 07:31:16 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 06:56:16 AM
482 - said it above, but perhaps you missed.

Yes, didn't see that - 'twas an edit, I think  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 07:43:05 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 07:31:16 AM
Yes, didn't see that - 'twas an edit, I think  ;)

'Twas.

And my Sfz31 is? We keep going round and round with the same clues, but here's a bit more: this is a stage work that has received literally thousands of productions all over the world - in at least 67 countries, an absolutely fantastic record. I think you'll get it if you try to remember, but I promise I won't go on much more before I reveal.

And how many of yours are open still, Luke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 07:46:47 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 07:43:05 AM
'Twas.

And my Sfz31 is? We keep going round and round with the same clues, but here's a bit more: this is a stage work that has received literally thousands of productions all over the world - in at least 67 countries, an absolutely fantastic record. I think you'll get it if you try to remember, but I promise I won't go on much more before I reveal.

It's a musical then? Not a genre I particularly care for. Andrew Lloyd-Webber?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 07:52:40 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 14, 2008, 07:46:47 AM
It's a musical then? Not a genre I particularly care for. Andrew Lloyd-Webber?

Not A L-W (whom I would not quote here - ugh), but a musical. That should open this up considerably.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 08:00:08 AM
I thought it was a musical (remember I said it wasn't my area of experitse!) Which is why I spent a long time yesterday trawling through the darn things. Looks polka-esque, so I concentrated on places where that might be likely, but no luck yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
I think it's from one I avoided looking at yesterday, though the name cropped up enough - The Fantasticks. Don't ask me to name what song/number exactly though (and I don't have time to research that now). Wild guess - Overture?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
I think it's from one I avoided looking at yesterday, though the name cropped up enough - The Fantasticks. Don't ask me to name what song/number exactly though (and I don't have time to research that now). Wild guess - Overture?

"We keep going round and round with the same clues, but here's a bit more: this is a stage work that has received literally thousands of productions all over the world - in at least 67 countries, an absolutely Fantastick record. I think you'll get it if you try to remember, but I promise I won't go on much more before I reveal."

I must've used that word "fantastic" six times.  ;D

Just a formality at this point, but the composer, please?

And is your nightingale piece Satie? Doesn't look like him, but he did provide the direction "play like a nightingale with a toothache" at one point. (I know, I know, forget the bloody nightingales.)


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
"We keep going round and round with the same clues, but here's a bit more: this is a stage work that has received literally thousands of productions all over the world - in at least 67 countries, an absolutely Fantastick record. I think you'll get it if you try to remember, but I promise I won't go on much more before I reveal."

I must've used that word "fantastic" six times.  ;D

Just a formality at this point, but the composer, please?

And is your nightingale piece Satie? Doesn't look like him, but he did provide the direction "play like a nightingale with a toothache" at one point. (I know, I know, forget the bloody nightingales.)




Harvey Schmidt (or something similar)

No on the Satie - in fact, I mentioned that very nightingale/toothache in an earlier post as not being the medically afflicted nightingale here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
Harvey Schmidt (or something similar)

No on the Satie - in fact, I mentioned that very nightingale/toothache in an earlier post as not being the medically afflicted nightingale here.

Harvey Schmidt it is.

I think I've got the toothache by this point . . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 08:37:00 AM
Then you need to take that toothy smiley to the dentist... :-X
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 14, 2008, 08:37:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 08:37:00 AM
Then you need to take that toothy smiley to the dentist... :-X

;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 14, 2008, 08:40:48 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
. . . an absolutely Fantastick record.

Gratuitous tangent, but one of my high school English teachers was in the original Broadway cast, and on the old LP of the o.B.c. recording, he was in a photo on the back cover.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 14, 2008, 08:47:20 AM
What a marvel the Internet is! — There he is:  Bellamy — Hugh Thomas (http://www.thefantasticks.com/webpages/original_cast.html)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on May 14, 2008, 09:34:43 AM
Did Sean delete his account?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 10:24:35 AM
Quote from: Dm on May 14, 2008, 09:34:43 AM
Did Sean delete his account?

You're surprised?

Is 240 Turnage?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 14, 2008, 10:35:24 AM
Luke, check PM!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 10:38:24 AM
@ Sfz.

No. Turnage is jazz influenced, certainly, but I don't think he's ever been a jazz-player as this composer, who is quite a bit older, once was. (A very good one, too). Nor was he ever a signed-up and prominent member of the 'Experimental Music scene'. Nowadays his music still bears strong traces of both the jazz and the experimentalism, if you know where to look, but it has a consistent surface beauty and calm which makes for easier listening than either of them.

@ Karl

I have - I'm working and want to get home to check my files before I answer. But, briefly - I put a revised verson of the score up at the Outpost a while ago, and I'm waiting for your clarinetly feedback on it. I think (though, as I say, I need to check) I'm happy with it. Will get back to you more definitively later on....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 10:38:24 AM
@ Sfz.

No. Turnage is jazz influenced, certainly, but I don't think he's ever been a jazz-player as this composer, who is quite a bit older, once was. (A very good one, too). Nor was he ever a signed-up and prominent member of the 'Experimental Music scene'. Nowadays his music still bears strong traces of both the jazz and the experimentalism, if you know where to look, but it has a consistent surface beauty and calm which makes for easier listening than either of them.

Gavin Bryars?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 11:18:12 AM
Indeed
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 11:18:12 AM
Indeed

Mr. Sunshine  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
Yes! - chronologically, it's first on the list at the GB website, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 14, 2008, 12:08:53 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 14, 2008, 04:03:48 AM
How 'bout posting a few yourself, Karl?  :D

Seconded - I've got nothing left to guess at now!  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 14, 2008, 12:15:34 PM
QuoteHow 'bout posting a few yourself, Karl?
yes........ there's a Diabolic Suggestion.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 06:26:47 AM
Here's another little one to be getting along with. Really beautiful piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 06:54:31 AM
Is that the Vaughan Williams Romance for viola and piano?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 06:57:26 AM
Luke, you're right...

http://www.amazon.com/Romances-Elegies-Viola-Benjamin-Britten/dp/B0000261H6

Second track.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 07:03:30 AM
Excellent. It was just an educated guess, as I've not heard the piece, but I knew he wrote such a thing, and confirmed that it was an Andantino. Plus, the piece sounds like VW from the off!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 07:26:27 AM
It had that bland, pastoral, ever so slightly (but not really) dissonant cowpatch quality I love so much about him . . . .  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 07:29:07 AM
Now, now, don't be such a bad boy.  ;D I prescribe a dose of RVW 4

What is a 'dissonant cowpatch', anyway?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 07:40:44 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 07:29:07 AM
What is a 'dissonant cowpatch', anyway?

One with a lot of poop.

Job is another strong score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 07:40:44 AM
One with a lot of poop.

Job is another strong score.

You mean Jobby (sorry, Luke).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 07:56:40 AM
A British word, perhaps?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 07:59:08 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 07:56:40 AM
A British word, perhaps?

Yes, it's UK slang for... erm 'lump of excrement' (inspired by your 'poop' explanation...).

Okay, onwards and upwards!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 08:08:18 AM
On another board, the term "cowflop" was often used to refer to any early 20th century British music (in an affectionate way, though*).





* (affectionate for the music, that is, not the cowflop)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 08:14:07 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 08:08:18 AM
On another board, the term "cowflop" was often used to refer to any early 20th century British music (in an affectionate way, though*).





* (affectionate for the music, that is, not the cowflop)

That's a relief... But returning to Job, it's a firm favourite of mine.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 08:26:17 AM
Enough poop. Three more from me (hint: the first is not the Allegro barbaro by Bartok, but it sure makes demands on the pianist's octave technique).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 08:38:31 AM
#37 Schumann, Genoveva (Third Act).
#36 Massenet, Don Quichotte (Fifth Act)
#35 Alkan, Allegro Barbaro (5th of the 12 Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs, Op.35)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 09:16:03 AM
Correct Luke. You people are far too good at this stuff.

Quote from: Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 07:26:27 AM
It had that bland, pastoral, ever so slightly (but not really) dissonant cowpatch quality I love so much about him . . . .  :D

Bland?! You do him great dishonour sir!! This is absolutely gorgeous stuff surely! Also, is cowpatch even a word? I only know cowpat, but maybe cowpatch is the American word?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 09:34:51 AM
3 more whilst I was out, and already snatched up  >:( . I want MORE MORE MORE!!!

(an addict needs his fix  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 15, 2008, 09:16:03 AM
Correct Luke. You people are far too good at this stuff.

Bland?! You do him great dishonour sir!! This is absolutely gorgeous stuff surely! Also, is cowpatch even a word? I only know cowpat, but maybe cowpatch is the American word?

;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 09:43:04 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 15, 2008, 08:38:31 AM
#37 Schumann, Genoveva (Third Act).
#36 Massenet, Don Quichotte (Fifth Act)
#35 Alkan, Allegro Barbaro (5th of the 12 Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs, Op.35)

Very good. I will have to hunt up more Marius Flothius.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
I am shocked, shocked, that Alkan beat Bartok to that title.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 09:34:51 AM
3 more whilst I was out, and already snatched up

>:D  :'(

Quote from: Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 09:43:04 AM
Very good. I will have to hunt up more Marius Flothius.

;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 15, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
I am shocked, shocked, that Alkan beat Bartok to that title.

He's a lot more prescient in this and other things than many imagine.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 10:14:23 AM
Here's three excerpts from the same piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 10:21:56 AM
Guessing at sketches for Ives' Universe Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 10:46:34 AM
Yes. :)

Here's four more. (The first one - I may have sent you the score for this already Luke, so don't ruin it yet if I have...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 10:51:29 AM
Here are the other 3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 15, 2008, 10:46:34 AM
Yes. :)

Here's four more. (The first one - I may have sent you the score for this already Luke, so don't ruin it yet if I have...)

"With great heartiness" and "singing" - Percy Grainger?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 10:55:01 AM
No not Percy. Also go back and read the direction again - it's one of my favourite in all of music.

P.S. 1000 posts!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 15, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 15, 2008, 10:55:01 AM
No not Percy. Also go back and read the direction again - it's one of my favourite in all of music.

P.S. 1000 posts!

Congratulations!

You're aristocracy now (and Harry is God).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 11:06:38 AM
The first of your other three is Some Southpaw Pitching (Ives). A very funky piece. Haven't actually looked at the others yet....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 15, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
Congratulations!

You're aristocracy now (and Harry is God).

We might as well just end it if that is true!  ;D

QuoteThe first of your other three is Some Southpaw Pitching (Ives). A very funky piece. Haven't actually looked at the others yet....

Yes! Funky is the word! I love this piece. This is study no.21 (of 23) of his piano studies, almost all 15 surviving ones of which make great listening.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 11:28:25 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 09:57:15 AM
He's a lot more prescient in this and other things than many imagine.

With that in mind (composer a given):

LO 257
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 11:34:55 AM
I wonder if Luke will guess all of my scores?  :)

Feel free to guess away at my no.31 if you do not think that I sent you the score already.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 11:36:45 AM
No you didn't. I don't know it, but I'll give it some thought!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 11:37:32 AM
But give us a hint - is it cowpatchy?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 11:43:38 AM
It certainly isn't. The direction 'With great heartness' may give an obscure clue as to the composer, and it very much sums up his music in a sense. The piece is really rather obscure, but then that doesn't seem to have purturbed people before!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 15, 2008, 11:43:38 AM
The direction 'With great heartness' may give an obscure clue as to the composer....

Bizarre use of language.....is it Saul?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 11:50:08 AM
In some ways, you are very close! What a remarkable comment!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 15, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
Congratulations!

You're aristocracy now (and Harry is God).

Oh good God no.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 15, 2008, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 11:54:09 AM
Oh good God no.

Taketh not the Lord Harry's name in vain, now, Sforzando!  $:) >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 15, 2008, 11:59:21 AM
I should probably mention that the third one down of my latest four is a reduction from an orchestral score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 16, 2008, 03:52:06 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 15, 2008, 11:54:09 AM
Oh good God no.

In number of postings he is (and that's how I meant it).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 16, 2008, 03:59:24 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 16, 2008, 03:52:06 AM
In number of postings he is (and that's how I meant it).

Quantity does not equal quality. Could Guido's piece be an original Guido?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 16, 2008, 09:43:51 AM
The handwriting and other factors lead me to doubt it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 03:49:05 AM
...actually, the handwriting looks a little like Ronald Stevenson's (him again) in certain ways, but it's not exactly the same. And anyway, it's not him (unless it's from his early suite for cello and piano and I'm pretty sure it isn't).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 03:51:58 AM
(getting a sense we've stalled somewhat, Guido?  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 05:35:33 AM
It's not an original Guido no, unless you are talking about my avatar (yay GCSE art!).

Okay I'll give you some more clues about mine.

The first one has never been published, but has been recorded at least three times. It is very short. The similarity with Saul is the most obvious one that one could make, and there are possibly other similarities, though I don't know where Saul has lived in the past. In all other respects they are at opposite ends of the spectrum (talent being the most obvious!) Now I'm getting really cryptic, and making it more Saul based than it should be, but in some respects this composer could also be compared to Mendelssohn in how his musical achievement is normally viewed.

The second one Luke already guessed - Ives study no.21

The third piece is a gorgeous little cello concerto written in the first half of the last century by a very famous composer. It's very bright and breezy and rather jazzy in parts and quite undeserving of it's neglect. Tends to be a favourite amongst fans of this composer's work as far as I can gather.

The Fourth piece is by a very famous instrumentalist/composer, though cello was not that instrument. The harmonic language and complexity I think should be enough of a clue here, and the opening theme of this piece for solo cello is even present here, if a little altered.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 07:49:40 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 17, 2008, 05:35:33 AM
It's not an original Guido no, unless you are talking about my avatar (yay GCSE art!).

Okay I'll give you some more clues about mine.

The first one has never been published, but has been recorded at least three times. It is very short. The similarity with Saul is the most obvious one that one could make, and there are possibly other similarities, though I don't know where Saul has lived in the past. In all other respects they are at opposite ends of the spectrum (talent being the most obvious!) Now I'm getting really cryptic, and making it more Saul based than it should be, but in some respects this composer could also be compared to Mendelssohn in how his musical achievement is normally viewed.

Jewish composer?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 07:54:07 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 07:49:40 AM
Jewish composer?

Of course! I've given you enough clues for you to give me more than that though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 17, 2008, 07:57:23 AM
Bernstein!?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 08:00:07 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 17, 2008, 07:57:23 AM
Bernstein!?

Nope.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 17, 2008, 08:12:14 AM
Ernest Bloch?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 08:19:18 AM
Nope! The Mendelssohn thing is actually not very cryptic.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 17, 2008, 08:23:07 AM
Korngold was a child prodigy, too. And Jewish. And 'with great heartness' sounds like Korngold, alright.

Last try...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 08:24:26 AM
YES!!! ;D Should be easy to find the name of the piece now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 17, 2008, 08:32:26 AM
Romance-Impromptu for cello and piano

The only thing that fits the bill (apart from the Cello Concerto turned into a cello sonata, that is...).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 08:42:24 AM
Romance Impromptu is correct. This was written for the Bette Davis film Deception in 1946 - the cello concerto derives from the same film score. The Romance Impromptu was never used in the actual film because the actor was too bad at synchronising his movements on the cello with the music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 17, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 17, 2008, 05:35:33 AM

The third piece is a gorgeous little cello concerto written in the first half of the last century by a very famous composer. It's very bright and breezy and rather jazzy in parts and quite undeserving of it's neglect. Tends to be a favourite amongst fans of this composer's work as far as I can gather.

Without even looking back at the score, I'm going to say it's Martinu.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 10:40:10 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 17, 2008, 10:40:10 AM
Nope.

Wild guess - Kabalevsky.

I'll work on how "Saul" is a clue for "Korngold" later.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 17, 2008, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 11:51:37 AM
I'll work on how "Saul" is a clue for "Korngold" later.  :D

Yes, tough one.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 11:51:37 AM
I'll work on how "Saul" is a clue for "Korngold" later.  :D

I think it's very clear:

1) Jewish

2) child prodigy

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 17, 2008, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 12:54:28 PM
I think it's very clear:

1) Jewish

2) child prodigy



No not Kabalevsky either. I'm not aware of Kabalevsky being particularly Jazzy, but then I've only heard a few of his pieces. Surprised that you all know such extremely obscure scoresand composers, but not this one. This even comes from the opening of the piece!

I think the other one is very clear.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 08:25:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 12:54:28 PM
I think it's very clear:

1) Jewish

2) child prodigy



Saul is Jewish?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 17, 2008, 05:13:25 PM
No not Kabalevsky either. I'm not aware of Kabalevsky being particularly Jazzy, but then I've only heard a few of his pieces. Surprised that you all know such extremely obscure scoresand composers, but not this one. This even comes from the opening of the piece!

I think the other one is very clear.

The easiest ones are the hardest to guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 17, 2008, 08:43:33 PM
The easiest ones are the hardest to guess.

Yeah, like this one - suffer finding this one, fools!  >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 10:48:59 PM
(erm, that one doesn't really count, btw)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 17, 2008, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 17, 2008, 05:13:25 PM
Surprised that you all know such extremely obscure scoresand composers, but not this one.

Must be the quality of the clues....  >:D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 18, 2008, 01:33:42 AM
It sort of defeats the point if people only guess it from the clues, and not from the score. I think my number four is characteristic enough of the composer's work in look as well as sound that it is quite easy. You already know that it is from a very famous composer/performer who was not a cellist (loads of these, but I don't think it will be too much of a stretch to think of which instrument at least)

Number three - this concerto is one of the few 20th century pieces that Rostropovich played and recorded that he didn't comission and premiere. And no it's not the Miaskovsky. That is a massive clue as this leaves about four composers! There may be a good reason why he didn't comission it either!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 01:54:42 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 18, 2008, 01:33:42 AM
It sort of defeats the point if people only guess it from the clues, and not from the score.

Of course, but sometimes it needs quite a hefty does of clues nevertheless! The remaining scores don't have too many obvious stylistic clues - they do to you, of course, because you know what they are! - so more information is helpful to narrow things down. My own technique for identifying scores I don't know immediately starts with picking up on the standout features of the piece to allow me to narrow down my search a little - but a movement for cello and orchestra in C major, Andante, still leaves a very big field!

Sometimes, of course, e.g in the case of Sforzando's Hoffmann and Flothuis pieces, the clues were the only way to discover the composer; the score itself only useful to find the specific piece.

Quote from: Guido on May 18, 2008, 01:33:42 AM
I think my number four is characteristic enough of the composer's work in look as well as sound that it is quite easy. You already know that it is from a very famous composer/performer who was not a cellist (loads of these, but I don't think it will be too much of a stretch to think of which instrument at least)

It looks quite a lot like some of the Ysaye violin sonatas in some ways - is it his (solo) cello sonata op 28? Not a piece I know...

oh - just listened on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huebpfYRybM)...I think it is this one after all.

Hey, you were right - I did that one without extra clues! To tell the truth, the first time I saw it I thought 'wow that looks like the Ysaye violin sonatas', but I didn't know he'd written a cello sonata and was too lazy to search. I checked through his violin sonatas to see if this could be a transcription, but it wasn't, so I left it. Can't believe I didn't check sooner about Ysaye cello pieces!  :-[

Quote from: Guido on May 18, 2008, 01:33:42 AM
Number three - this concerto is one of the few 20th century pieces that Rostropovich played and recorded that he didn't comission and premiere. And no it's not the Miaskovsky. That is a massive clue as this leaves about four composers! There may be a good reason why he didn't comission it either!

Need to think about that one when I have more time...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 18, 2008, 06:28:51 AM
Yeah correct. Going with intuition on these things is very often a good idea! As you probably heard, the Ysaye piece is ot a patch on the incredible violin sonatas, and to an extent he tries to write the same sort of stuff for the cello, but it never comes off as well for a multitude of reasons. Even so it's a nice addition to the cello repertoire, especially as us cellists don't much impressionist type stuff to play (Debussy and Caplet's pieces being supreme examples, but there is little else)

You might almost be there with the last one, but I'll post two more pages on here just for fun. The first immediately follows the one you have already seen and displays that jazzy style that I talked about. The second is again from the same movement and is a particularly favourite part of mine - if the first page wasn't gorgeous enough for you, this contains more of the composer's trademark gorgeous harmony, interspersed with little restless figures which slowly take over. It sounds like you guys don't know this piece - when it's revealed you certainly should have a listen! I guess I should have posted the proper full score, but I don't have it. Maybe I'll go into the UL after exams and take a few pictures in there!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 18, 2008, 06:50:42 AM
How embarrassing, I misspelled ancillary twice!

QuoteWithout even looking back at the score, I'm going to say it's Martinu.

As I said before, it's not Martinu, but it does have much of the same luminous quality as those three concertos.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:20:36 AM
Honegger Cello Concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 18, 2008, 10:24:42 AM
Yes! Have you heard it? There may or may not be certain ways of you acquiring it if not.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:28:12 AM
I've just heard some of it, yes!  ;D Very nice too...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:28:50 AM
No one knows my 258, huh?  ;D ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 18, 2008, 10:44:38 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:28:50 AM
No one knows my 258, huh?  ;D ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D

Any clues?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:53:56 AM
Not yet, no. It's for piano, though, and by a composer some of you might have heard of.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:56:13 AM
...you know the drill...

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - ? - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Emsley - For Guitar 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Brant - Four Traumatics - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - Foulds - Essays in the Modes - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - Gurdjieff - something-or-other-I'll-find-out-later - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - Bryars - Mr Sunshine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - Britten - Cadenza for Mozart K482 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
257 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282)
258 - Handel - Guilio Cesare - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
259 - Gliere - Concerto for Coloratura Soprano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
260 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
261 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
262 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
263 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
264 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)
29 - Vaughan Williams - Romance - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183089.html#msg183089)
30a-c - Ives - Skethces for Universe Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183247.html#msg183247)
31 - Korngold - Romance-Impromptu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183257.html#msg183257)
32 - Ives - Some Southpaw Pitching - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
33 - Honegger - Cello concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
34 - Ysaye - Solo Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
35 - Klengel - Hymnus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
36 - Piazzolla - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
37 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
38 - Janacek - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
39 - Ravel - Concerto for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
40 - Bartok - Solo Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 -  Flothuis - Symphonic Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - von Einem - Philadelphia Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - Schmidt - The Fantasticks - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
33 - Wagner - Die Meistersinger.. - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182476.html#msg182476)
34 - Wagner - Das Rheingold - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182515.html#msg182515)
35 - Alkan - Allegro Barbaro (no 5, Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
36 - Massenet - Don Quichotte - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
37 - Schumann - Genoveva - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
I think I've missed Sfz 38 if it's been posted
39 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
40 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
42 - Boulez - First Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
43 - Handel - Saul - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
44 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
45 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
46 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
47 - Liszt - Hungarian Folksong - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
48 - Clementi - Sonata op 40/2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)


Set by Chrone
1 - Gibbons - Cries of London - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184858.html#msg184858)
2 - Billings - Jargon - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184868.html#msg184868)
3 - Joplin - Treemonisha - (Mark) (//http://)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 11:09:06 AM
And my clues again, now with ADDED CLUE©!

215 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865) - a notational experiment - an attempt to do away with 'tuplet' figures and brackets and replace them with noteheads of different shapes. Karl identified the composer - Cowell - but not the piece yet.

219 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892) - composer much more famous as a legendary pianist who died too early; he recorded this piece and it is available on one of the great CDs, though it isn't the major draw. The major draw on those CDs is the pianist playing the works of a greater composer, also one of the great violinists, who he also accompanies. As revealed above, either this one or  234 is by John Ogdon. NEW CLUE - there is a famous photo of the violinist-composer crowning the pianist-composer with a laurel wreath, when the latter is just a small boy.

226 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857) - I put this one up because it is pertinent at the moment, just as my 203 was pertinent when I put it up (a glance at 203 might help to see what I'm talking about). Alright, then - why was 203 pertinent? Because it's by Hoddinott, who, when I posted it, had just died.....ergo.... NEW KICK UP THE REAR - OK, who just died!? Although, as is the nature of these things, that event was now a couple of weeks ago.

228 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977) - a quick examination reveals what is going on here. This is one of its composer's most well-known works, I think, though recently his name has been in the news for an altogether larger piece, about which we had a thread here. NEW CLUE Johan has a particular favourite among composers, shared by me but not by that old crank Rinkel  ;D ; the best-known writer on that composer is also an expert on this composer.

229 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977) - I chose a sample which includes this composer's trademark technique in its baldest form. What is going on with the time signatures? Who does this sort of thing a lot? NEW CLUE I often get him mixed up with Barraque  ;D ;D

232 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - not quite for the forces it looks like. Guido got the composer - Feldman. Remember that Feldman sometimes distributes his music around the staves as he does in odd ways, to do with keeping things clear, in this case, the various rhythmical strands. NEW CLUE I feel like I'm being mean here, but really I'm only telling it like it is. So a little more: there's only one instrument here.

234 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - as stated earlier, the composer was much better known as a prodigiously gifted, prematurely deceased pianist with an impressive repertoire ranging from the classics to Boulez and Sorabji. As revealed above, either this one or no 219 is by John Ogdon.

238 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979) - not a composer associated with the piano, which instrument isn't very well suited to the technical concerns he developed later in life. This piece, slightly earlier, isn't quite there yet. It refers to the music and culture of an Asian country often bypassed by western composers looking for an Eastern fix. That country is Tibet; this composer visited Tibet and Nepal, I believe, and was greatly influenced by Hinduism and Buddhism. NEW TAUNT - come on, there have only been one or two composers directly influenced by Tibet, and this piece is this composer's most obviously Tibetan work. And it's not Glass; nor is it one of my favourites, Jonathan Harvey.

244 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - look at the technique involved here; the composer is quite clear then. We had a piece by this composer a long time back, and Mark identified it then - he spotted that the piece was a complex canon at various speeds, as is this one, though it's much simpler here. Who composes such things? NEW TAUNT  :o :o

245 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) - One of a set of pieces, all of which start with the same letter. This one is the last; it depicts a nightingale with a cold. The letter is R, and thus the piece's title is.... NEW PIECE OF ENCOURAGEMENT - think laterally, as I said before. All the pieces start with the same letter, and that letter is R. So the whole piece is called...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 18, 2008, 11:13:42 AM
Okay! 228 must be John Foulds!! Essays in the modes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 11:17:16 AM
That's the one, Johan - what took you? It's got a bloody great big mode printed across the top!  ;D >:D ;)

Oh yes - my 257 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282), the newest one*: from the context, the composer is obvious. I've chosen one of those passages in which he willfully creates an entirely new technique only not to use it again. Incredible profligacy of invention. A piece with a relatively early opus number - it predates the more famous studies in the minor and major keys, in any case. Like early Schumann or even early Brahms, what it lacks in the classical solidity the later works possess (for all their extreme difficulty and wild creativity) it makes up for in the sheer exhilaration of its bizarre new ideas.


* no, not the newest - but the newest real one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 11:30:18 AM
And I just realised, I haven't given clues to the other remaining ones of mine yet -

251 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205) This piece, by a somewhat mysterious and enigmatic composer, shows solidarity with a nearby, beleaguered nation in time of war.

255 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206) An early work by a composer (mysterious, too) who went on to share something of the interest manifested by the composer of my 238; this is the original version of the piece, but it later appeared in another arrangement which, from which, if you are lucky, I will extract an audio sample corresponding to the relevant pages for your delectation when it is found. It's not a great piece by any stretch of the imagination, but I love the section starting on the quoted page!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 18, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
I think 256 must be 255, Luke...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 11:38:35 AM
Thanks for noticing that - it's changed now!

BTW, Johan, are we going to get any scores from you? Karl doesn't seem to be rising to requests to do so....  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 18, 2008, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 11:38:35 AM
Thanks for noticing that - it's changed now!

BTW, Johan, are we going to get any scores from you? Karl doesn't seem to be rising to requests to do so....  ;) ;D

If I could, I'd be happy to oblige - but neither do I own that many scores, nor do I have a scanner... Sorry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 18, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
As a total n00b to this thread, I'm going to guess that LO226 is from "Two Conclusions" by Henry Brant.   ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:28:35 PM
Hey - welcome to the best thread on GMG  ;D

And that's a good way to start - not the right piece, but the right composer, one hardly associated with solo piano music. To be honest, I'm not sure if the piece will be that easy to find, so let me give another little clue: you were also correct to the extent that the piece comes from a set entitled [integer] [noun]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 19, 2008, 06:41:57 AM
I just posted a sweet video of Arvo Part's cello concerto on the video board which I am sure all the connoisseurs on this thread will enjoy watching!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 07:30:16 AM
Connoisseurs? Where?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 08:32:42 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 18, 2008, 10:28:35 PM
Hey - welcome to the best thread on GMG  ;D

And that's a good way to start - not the right piece, but the right composer, one hardly associated with solo piano music. To be honest, I'm not sure if the piece will be that easy to find, so let me give another little clue: you were also correct to the extent that the piece comes from a set entitled [integer] [noun]


(http://gfxc.smpgfx.com/Look-Inside/large/3786680_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 09:05:13 AM
Correct! Did you also identify which of the four 'traumatics' my sample is taken from? (I assume that, like me, you were able to find the whole score, so this shouldn't be a problem)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 09:05:13 AM
Correct! Did you also identify which of the four 'traumatics' my sample is taken from? (I assume that, like me, you were able to find the whole score, so this shouldn't be a problem)

No - I only found a sample page so far.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 09:07:40 AM
Might as well give it to you anyway - it's called Parlor Lizard  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 09:07:40 AM
Might as well give it to you anyway - it's called Parlor Lizard  ;D

Had it on the tip of my tongue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 09:13:38 AM
Oh sorry - I should have given you longer  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 10:06:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 09:07:40 AM
Might as well give it to you anyway - it's called Parlor Lizard  ;D

D'Oh! Do I get partial credit for coming up with the composer? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 10:06:37 AM
D'Oh! Do I get partial credit for coming up with the composer? ;D

I certainly don't see why not. I couldn't have done my part without you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 10:12:53 AM
You did get credit - your name was on the list as having identified the composer - until Sforzando stole it from you! It's a tough old, rugged existence here on the wilds of the mystery scores thread  ;D - always someone on the lookout to steal your discovery and get the credit! But you have the moral victory here!

But keep on guessing - and, btw, if you have any scores you'd like to plague us with, please do so. I don't have any to guess at the moment  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 10:12:53 AM
But keep on guessing - and, btw, if you have any scores you'd like to plague us with, please do so. I don't have any to guess at the moment  :'(

OK, then. Here's something instrument-free. Pay attention to the harmonization (or not):
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 11:01:38 AM
And another (and as with the previous: no Googling the text!)  $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 19, 2008, 11:10:36 AM
Here's some more then Luke to feed your insatiable thirst! Once exams are over I will certainly go to the UL and take pictures of some nice scores for you to ponder! Most of the following ones I chose just because I like what they look like on the page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 19, 2008, 11:13:45 AM
and two more
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 19, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 10:31:51 AM
OK, then. Here's something instrument-free. Pay attention to the harmonization (or not):

A sort of proto-Ives. A church hymn with a twist...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 11:47:48 AM
Guido 39 - Ravel, left hand concerto (cadenza)

Guido 38 - taking the piss, slightly -Janacek - Violin Sonata

Guido 36 - looks like a piece of Piazzolla

Guido 40 - Bartok, Solo Violin Sonata
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 19, 2008, 11:52:37 AM
You are right on everything! Didn't choose these ones to be particularly difficult as I say... they're just beautiful!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 11:57:41 AM
It's provided me with a good excuse to listen to all my Piazzolla discs.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 19, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
A sort of proto-Ives. A church hymn with a twist...

William Billings.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 19, 2008, 11:52:37 AM
You are right on everything! Didn't choose these ones to be particularly difficult as I say... they're just beautiful!

G 35 must be for 12 cellos, in a tango rhythm. Is that the Pizza one?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 12:28:55 PM
William Billings.

Pretty atypical harmonization for Billings (or any 18th century composer), don't you think?

...but you're right.  ;) Care to hazard a guess as to the title? It's in the text.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 12:37:46 PM
Pretty atypical harmonization for Billings (or any 18th century composer), don't you think?

...but you're right.  ;) Care to hazard a guess as to the title? It's in the text.

"Jargon."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 12:48:23 PM
Guido's 12 cello one - there's plenty of music for this combination, thanks to the 12 cellists of the Berlin Phil, for whom much has been written, but I have a feeling this may be by Julius Klengel - his Hymnus, written in memory of Artur Nikisch. I've played in that piece, actually; what I remember of it (based on my part only, somewhere in the middle) doesn't exactly match what I can see here, but my memory is pretty sketchy on this one, so it's worth a punt.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 01:23:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 12:48:23 PM
Guido's 12 cello one - there's plenty of music for this combination, thanks to the 12 cellists of the Berlin Phil, for whom much has been written, but I have a feeling this may be by Julius Klengel - his Hymnus, written in memory of Artur Nikisch. I've played in that piece, actually; what I remember of it (based on my part only, somewhere in the middle) doesn't exactly match what I can see here, but my memory is pretty sketchy on this one, so it's worth a punt.  ;D

Oh, yeah! Julius.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 19, 2008, 01:24:19 PM
Yes Klengel's Hymnus is right - love the opening. Not a great composer, or even maybe a good one, but this is a nice piece. When did you play this?

Piazzolla is one of the unguessed ones

The other unguessed one is a little bit of a trick I guess... Remember that this is the mystery scores thread, not the mystery classical scores thread!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 19, 2008, 01:24:19 PM
Yes Klengel's Hymnus is right - love the opening. Not a great composer, or even maybe a good one, but this is a nice piece. When did you play this?

In some KCMS concert. I look back at it and think we had some very fine cellists there at the time - choral scholars Justin Doyle (presently conductor of the BBC Singers) and Joe Crouch (one of the finest baroque specialist cellists) among them. Klengel actually has his own style, of a sort, I think - a kind of style identifiable by its very middle-of-the-roadness. He's extremely euphonic and clearly structured - quite firm, memorable lines, very easy on the ear. I first came across him when I had to play a movement from one of his concerti for my cello grade 7.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 19, 2008, 01:41:31 PM
Yes I agree - utterly average, and completely uncontroversial and behind the times, but quite pleasing on the ear. Actually there's a double cello concerto that's rather sweet, especially the slow movement. His pieces for groups of cellos are delightful and brilliantly written for the intrument of course.

P.S. What did people think of the Part cello concerto. It instantly made me want to play it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 19, 2008, 01:41:31 PM
P.S. What did people think of the Part cello concerto. It instantly made me want to play it!

I tried watching it, but I couldn't get it to play. Must try again now I'm on a different computer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 01:58:45 PM
A few more...

LO 258, 259, 260
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 01:59:57 PM
LO 261, 262, 263, 264
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 02:55:18 PM
258 is the ritornello from Giulio Cesare's first aria in Handel's eponymous opera.

259 is from the first movement of the Glière Concerto for Coloratura Soprano.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 12:46:44 PM
"Jargon."

Yup. I found the following exegesis of "Jargon" at musicmavericks.publicradio.org:

QuoteThe glory of Billings' music is its irrepressible tunefulness, matched with a liveliness of rhythm unafraid to shift gears as the text requires. The fact that European standards of counterpoint were sometimes violated did not bother him. In the introduction to The New-England Psalm-Singer, Billings wrote the archetypal declaration of American music's independence from Europe:

"...all the hard, dry, studied rules that ever was prescribed, will not enable any person to form an air.... I don't think myself confin'd to any Rules for composition, laid down by any that went before me, neither should I think (were I to pretend to lay down Rules) that any who came after me were any ways obligated to adhere to them... I think it is best for every Composer to be his own Carver."

Billings music wasn't always appreciated by his contemporaries. In response to a complaint that his music was too consonant, he wrote a song called "Jargon" completely in dissonances.

Let horrid Jargon split the air
And rive the nerves asunder;
Let hateful discord greet the ear
As terrible as thunder.

In response, some local boys tied two cats together by the tails and hung them from the sign of Billings' tannery shop to let them howl.

My other one ("Chrone2") remains unguessed. Hint: well-known piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
Quote from: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 03:19:09 PM
Yup. I found the following exegesis of "Jargon" at musicmavericks.publicradio.org:

My other one ("Chrone2") remains unguessed. Hint: well-known piece.

Those are always the hardest. Looks like a setting of the Cries of London, though I don't know by whom. Meanwhile, 10 more from me - some harder than others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 03:43:06 PM
More:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 03:45:38 PM
Three more for now:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 03:52:16 PM
Sfz 41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast

Sfz 42 - Boulez 1st Sonata - I think (I have this Boulez score, but it's too late for me to check it right now)

Sfz 46 - Dvorak symphony 3 (I've already used a passage from this movement in this thread, months ago!)

Sfz 47 - I know this one but again, no time to check. Is it a small Hungarian Folk song by Liszt?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 03:56:54 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 03:52:16 PM
Sfz 41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast

Sfz 42 - Boulez 1st Sonata - I think (I have this Boulez score, but it's too late for me to check it right now)

Sfz 46 - Dvorak symphony 3 (I've already used a passage from this movement in this thread, months ago!)

Sfz 47 - I know this one but again, no time to check. Is it a small Hungarian Folk song by Liszt?

So far so good! Clues to follow as you all become desperate.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 03:58:04 PM
Don't I get credit for the two by Luke I identified?  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:04:11 PM
Yes - you were right on those.And the list is updated now too.

Was the Liszt correct, then? I could go and get the precise title if I'm wrong, but frankly, I want to go to bed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:08:46 PM
One last guess - the last one: is it from a sonata by Clementi? op 40/2?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:12:22 PM
Humour me - 43 - Handel's Saul?

(or is it Dzorelashvili's Corkin? [shudder])
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:14:22 PM
Shouldn't have even said that. I'm going to have nightmares now. Goodnight, everyone!  :-*
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
Those are always the hardest. Looks like a setting of the Cries of London, though I don't know by whom.

Yep. Orlando Gibbons. You're 2 for 2 on mine. Good jorb. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:19:51 PM
Should have made us sweat on the composer of that one  ;D

I know, I know, I said I was going to bed.....  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:04:11 PM
Yes - you were right on those.And the list is updated now too.

Was the Liszt correct, then? I could go and get the precise title if I'm wrong, but frankly, I want to go to bed!

Yes, hardly matters which - just one of those little folk songs.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 19, 2008, 04:27:53 PM
Sweat away!


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 19, 2008, 06:19:30 PM
Chrone3 = Scott Joplin's Treemonisha?

(I seem to remember there's a singing bear in there)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 19, 2008, 06:19:30 PM
Chrone3 = Scott Joplin's Treemonisha?

(I seem to remember there's a singing bear in there)

I have a copy of that I've barely glanced at, and you are 100% correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 06:56:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:08:46 PM
One last guess - the last one: is it from a sonata by Clementi? op 40/2?

Muzio's B minor it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 19, 2008, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 04:12:22 PM
Humour me - 43 - Handel's Saul?

(or is it Dzorelashvili's Corkin? [shudder])

Dzorelashvili and Corkin notwithstanding, there is some corking good music in Handel's Saul. Please identify the exact passage.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 10:54:40 PM
The Israelites: O fatal day! How low the mighty lie!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 10:59:26 PM
Quite an influx of new scores recently  :) :) :) :)  so the list again. Clue to all but the last 12 of mine are on page 120. There are still some quite early ones, back to no 215, for which the composer but not the piece has been found.

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - Fabric - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Emsley - For Guitar 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Brant - Four Traumatics - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - Foulds - Essays in the Modes - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - Blacher - Preludes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - Gurdjieff - something-or-other-I'll-find-out-later - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - Bryars - Mr Sunshine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - Britten - Cadenza for Mozart K482 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
257 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282)
258 - Handel - Guilio Cesare - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
259 - Gliere - Concerto for Coloratura Soprano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
260 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
261 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
262 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
263 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
264 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
265 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
266 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
267 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
268 - Lachenmann - Five Variations on a Theme of Schubert - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
269/269b - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185065.html#msg185065)
270 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Piano Concerto - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
271 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)
29 - Vaughan Williams - Romance - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183089.html#msg183089)
30a-c - Ives - Skethces for Universe Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183247.html#msg183247)
31 - Korngold - Romance-Impromptu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183257.html#msg183257)
32 - Ives - Some Southpaw Pitching - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
33 - Honegger - Cello concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
34 - Ysaye - Solo Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
35 - Klengel - Hymnus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
36 - Piazzolla - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
37 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
38 - Janacek - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
39 - Ravel - Concerto for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
40 - Bartok - Solo Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 -  Flothuis - Symphonic Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - von Einem - Philadelphia Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - Schmidt - The Fantasticks - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
33 - Wagner - Die Meistersinger.. - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182476.html#msg182476)
34 - Wagner - Das Rheingold - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182515.html#msg182515)
35 - Alkan - Allegro Barbaro (no 5, Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
36 - Massenet - Don Quichotte - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
37 - Schumann - Genoveva - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
I think I've missed Sfz 38 if it's been posted
39 - Bolling - Picnic Suite - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
40 - Byrd - Great Service - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
42 - Boulez - First Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
43 - Handel - Saul - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
44 - Glanville Hicks - The Transposed Heads - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
45 - Barraque - Piano Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
46 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
47 - Liszt - Hungarian Folksong - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
48 - Clementi - Sonata op 40/2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)


Set by Chrone
1 - Gibbons - Cries of London - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184858.html#msg184858)
2 - Billings - Jargon - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184868.html#msg184868)
3 - Joplin - Treemonisha - (Mark) (//http://)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 11:33:11 PM
But here are some more to add to the fun:

LO 265, 266
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 11:34:28 PM
LO 267, 268

I've kept these together because they come from similar pieces; however, one is much less typical of our idea of its composer than the other
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 11:36:00 PM
LO 269 and 269b

This is only one piece, one answer required. But I've given two pages 1) because it is such a wonderful masterpiece and 2) because that may make it easier. Both pages contain self-quotations of earlier, better-known works.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 19, 2008, 11:37:01 PM
Two more:

LO 270, 271
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 03:57:31 AM
270 looks like the same typography as in a lot of the Sikorski Shostakovich scores, but it hardly looks like Shostakovich. A piano concerto of course.

We still have a lot of yours we can't figure out from weeks ago!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:10:14 AM
270 - yes, a piano concerto, and correct nationality.

(edit - genre, nationality and key - ought to help narrow it down!)


Sfz 45 - this is a complete guess, as to my shame I haven't heard this piece, nor do I have a score to it - Barraque's piano sonata?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:13:03 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 03:57:31 AM
We still have a lot of yours we can't figure out from weeks ago!

I'm only too aware of it - later on I'll have to see if I can fashion a set of additional clues for which make things even easier without actually telling you the names of the pieces  ;D >:D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 04:17:06 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:10:14 AM
270 - yes, a piano concerto, and correct nationality.

(edit - genre, nationality and key - ought to help narrow it down!)


Sfz 45 - this is a complete guess, as to my shame I haven't heard this piece, nor do I have a score to it - Barraque's piano sonata?

Yes it is. Now how about the three others of mine? Clues soon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:19:37 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 04:17:06 AM
Yes it is. Now how about the three others of mine? Clues soon.

Patience, Sforzando! I'm quite happy to get the Barraque! In the meantime, there are 24 more of mine you could be looking at  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 04:23:59 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:19:37 AM
Patience, Sforzando! I'm quite happy to get the Barraque! In the meantime, there are 24 more of mine you could be looking at  ;D ;)

I know, I know. Problem is, once they get this old, they start to feel "stale" 'cause you feel you can't go any further. So no clues from me just yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:24:58 AM
I thought 44 might be part of some short score version of Chavez's Sinfonia India. But it isn't. Just FWIW...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:30:36 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 04:23:59 AM
I know, I know. Problem is, once they get this old, they start to feel "stale" 'cause you feel you can't go any further.

I know what you mean - though some of mine are still sparkling new! But I'm sure that most of the remaining ones are only a hairsbreadth away. Further reinforcment on the oldest ones:

215 - you know the composer (Cowell), and the innovation shown in the piece (differently-shaped noteheads for triplets, quintuplets etc)

219 - you know it's by a great pianist who was the protege of a great violinist-composer. I may not have mentioned this before, but it also shares a characteristic with a score of Bartok than Guido tested us with a week or two back.

229 - I don't get it! Look at the time signatures. Get the composer, at least.

232 - you know the composer (Feldman). And I put you out of your misery - what instruments is this for? - last time by revealing that, in fact, it's only for one instrument. The complex use of three staves is only to clarify the rhythmic layers.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:23:16 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:30:36 AM
229 - I don't get it! Look at the time signatures. Get the composer, at least.

What modern composer doesn't change time signatures every measure? could be anyone!

No, 44 is not Chavez or anyone on that particular continent. It is a deliberate attempt by a Western-trained musician to appear "ethnic," and it is a piano reduction (which the composer claims is completely inadequate), but we need a different ethnicity.

Russian piano concerto - can't tell for sure if this is C# minor or E major; if the former, the Rimsky is a possibility, though I don't have a score and my recording is 10 miles away at home.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 05:32:27 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:23:16 AM
What modern composer doesn't change time signatures every measure? could be anyone!

True, if that is all it was doing. But it's more than that, though.

Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:23:16 AMNo, 44 is not Chavez or anyone on that particular continent. It is a deliberate attempt by a Western-trained musician to appear "ethnic," and it is a piano reduction (which the composer claims is completely inadequate), but we need a different ethnicity.

OK, there's something to go on...

Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:23:16 AMRussian piano concerto - can't tell for sure if this is C# minor or E major; if the former, the Rimsky is a possibility, though I don't have a score and my recording is 10 miles away at home.

Rimsky is a good guess. Because it's right. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:48:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 04:30:36 AM
I know what you mean - though some of mine are still sparkling new! But I'm sure that most of the remaining ones are only a hairsbreadth away. Further reinforcment on the oldest ones:

215 - you know the composer (Cowell), and the innovation shown in the piece (differently-shaped noteheads for triplets, quintuplets etc)

219 - you know it's by a great pianist who was the protege of a great violinist-composer. I may not have mentioned this before, but it also shares a characteristic with a score of Bartok than Guido tested us with a week or two back.

229 - I don't get it! Look at the time signatures. Get the composer, at least.

232 - you know the composer (Feldman). And I put you out of your misery - what instruments is this for? - last time by revealing that, in fact, it's only for one instrument. The complex use of three staves is only to clarify the rhythmic layers.



229 - Honestly, I can't think of anyone who writes 3-4-5-6-7/8. Maybe if it were 2-3-4-5-6-7/8 I'd have it. I doubt it's Bartok, but who knows at this point.

232 - If one instrument, it would have to be piano music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 06:04:27 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:23:16 AM
Russian piano concerto - can't tell for sure if this is C# minor or E major; if the former, the Rimsky is a possibility, though I don't have a score and my recording is 10 miles away at home.

Has to be C# minor now that I look more closely, from the piano cadenza.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 08:36:33 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:48:51 AM
229 - Honestly, I can't think of anyone who writes 3-4-5-6-7/8. Maybe if it were 2-3-4-5-6-7/8 I'd have it. I doubt it's Bartok, but who knows at this point.

I do.  ;D The metre doesn't just follow a 3-4-5-6-7 pattern, though, does it. It's a more intricate arithmetical scheme, the like of which was certainly this quite famous composer's major innovation. (It was partly inspired by the twelve-tone technique). He was also the teacher of the composer of one of your scores of recent days.

Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 05:48:51 AM
232 - If one instrument, it would have to be piano music.

Yes it would
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 08:36:33 AM

I do.  ;D The metre doesn't just follow a 3-4-5-6-7 pattern, though, does it. It's a more intricate arithmetical scheme, the like of which was certainly this quite famous composer's major innovation. (It was partly inspired by the twelve-tone technique). He was also the teacher of the composer of one of your scores of recent days.

Yes it would

Desperate guess: Messiaen.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 20, 2008, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 08:51:36 AM
Desperate guess: Messiaen.

I think so, too...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 10:07:06 AM
I don't

(I'm not sure Messiaen's 'personnages rhythmiques', to which I think you may be refering, constitute his single main innovation; also, he doesn't tend to enact them on the level of the time signature, either - Messiaen's usual procedure is to slot this sort of process into a single meter, as in the Magi number of the Vingt Regards or throughout Turangalila)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 10:09:02 AM
The composer was born in China - does that help?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 20, 2008, 10:58:31 AM
Sorry, just wanted to try something.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 10:09:02 AM
I love Saul's music. He is better than Janacek.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 20, 2008, 10:58:58 AM
It works!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 20, 2008, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 20, 2008, 10:58:31 AM
I love Saul's music so much, I'd drink the ink from his ink pen if he wanted me to.

isn't that charming?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 20, 2008, 10:58:58 AM
You mean you can insert any text within HTML quote tags?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 10:09:02 AM
The composer was born in China - does that help?

Not yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 20, 2008, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 03:57:31 AM
Messiaen is my favourite composer. In the world. Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!11one!1!!

no the fact that you can alter people's quotes and it will still say that they said it on such and such a date... Pretty obvious that you can do it, but I had never considered it before.

Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 20, 2008, 11:00:45 AM
I love Saul's music so much, I'd drink the ink from his ink pen if he wanted me to.

Get your mind out of the gutter you filthy oik!  :o ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 20, 2008, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 20, 2008, 03:56:27 PM
Get your mind out of the gutter you filthy oik!  :o ;D
Wow, how could I have missed that interpretation?  :D
Really, I wasn't thinking that at all, but man :o...... i'm about to die from laughing.....  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 06:51:09 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 10:09:02 AM
The composer was born in China - does that help?

No. Are we still looking for a harp by Cowell? The Aeolian Harp?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 06:59:15 PM
These are all the Feldman solo piano pieces I can come up with. All I know is, it's not Last Pieces.

Two Intermissions
Intermission 5
Intermission 6
Piano Piece 1952
Extensions 3
Three Pieces For Piano
Piano Piece 1955
Piano Piece 1956 A
Piano Piece 1956 B
Last Piece
Vertical Thoughts 4
Piano Piece (To Philip Guston)
Piano Piece (1964)
Nature Pieces For Piano
Variations
Intermission 3
Intermission 4
Intersection 2
Intersection 3
Intermission 6
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 11:10:40 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 06:51:09 PM
No. Are we still looking for a harp by Cowell? The Aeolian Harp?

No, we were never looking for a harp piece by Cowell. Seeing the strange noteheads of this piece, Mark joked that it looked a bit like the Sacred Harp, and, intending to push people towards Cowell, I said something along the lines of 'it's not the Sacred Harp, but the ???? Harp is getting closer'

It's one of his better-known pieces, though not as famous as The Aeolian Harp or The Banshee.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 20, 2008, 06:59:15 PM
These are all the Feldman solo piano pieces I can come up with. All I know is, it's not Last Pieces.

Two Intermissions
Intermission 5
Intermission 6
Piano Piece 1952
Extensions 3
Three Pieces For Piano
Piano Piece 1955
Piano Piece 1956 A
Piano Piece 1956 B
Last Piece
Vertical Thoughts 4
Piano Piece (To Philip Guston)
Piano Piece (1964)
Nature Pieces For Piano
Variations
Intermission 3
Intermission 4
Intersection 2
Intersection 3
Intermission 6


Actually it's none of these. But its title is included in the list you've just given, more than once.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 20, 2008, 11:55:16 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 11:10:40 PM
No, we were never looking for a harp piece by Cowell. Seeing the strange noteheads of this piece, Mark joked that it looked a bit like the Sacred Harp, and, intending to push people towards Cowell, I said something along the lines of 'it's not the Sacred Harp, but the ???? Harp is getting closer'

It's one of his better-known pieces, though not as famous as The Aeolian Harp or The Banshee.

The Harp of Life.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 03:00:41 AM
No. Nothing to do with harps, Aeolian, Life-giving, Pink or otherwise! That was just a way to get you to Cowell!!

The title is to do with the way the various rhythmic-melodic strands weave together.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 03:44:32 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 10:09:02 AM
The composer was born in China - does that help?

Boris Blacher was born in China and taught Gottfried von Einem. Somehow I doubt that's the right answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 04:59:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 20, 2008, 11:10:40 PM
No, we were never looking for a harp piece by Cowell. Seeing the strange noteheads of this piece, Mark joked that it looked a bit like the Sacred Harp, and, intending to push people towards Cowell, I said something along the lines of 'it's not the Sacred Harp, but the ???? Harp is getting closer'

Try "Dynamic Motion."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 05:22:27 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 03:44:32 AM
Boris Blacher was born in China and taught Gottfried von Einem. Somehow I doubt that's the right answer.

Why do you doubt it?  ??? The intersection of 'composer who taught von Einem' and 'composers born in China' can't be that extensive! Plus, Blacher's name also tends to go hand-in-hand with the metrical process he devised. And I usually have to double-check his name against Barraque's. Sounds like you're on the right track to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 05:23:43 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 04:59:07 AM
Try "Dynamic Motion."

No. Look at my previous response to Johan. You guys are making all this Cowell and Blacher stuff harder than it needs to be!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 05:35:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 05:22:27 AM
Why do you doubt it?  ??? The intersection of 'composer who taught von Einem' and 'composers born in China' can't be that extensive! Plus, Blacher's name also tends to go hand-in-hand with the metrical process he devised. And I usually have to double-check his name against Barraque's. Sounds like you're on the right track to me.  ;D

Well, you did say a "quite famous composer." Blacher isn't exactly unheard of, but is he really that well known? I don't know a single work by him myself. But let's see about teachers of Barraqué too . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 21, 2008, 05:51:13 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 04:59:07 AM
Try "Dynamic Motion."

I tried "Dynamic Tension" but I still don't look like Charles Atlas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 05:58:04 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 03:00:41 AM
No. Nothing to do with harps, Aeolian, Life-giving, Pink or otherwise! That was just a way to get you to Cowell!!

The title is to do with the way the various rhythmic-melodic strands weave together.

How about "Melodic-Rhythmic Weaving"? (Just made that up.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:05:33 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 05:35:40 AM
Well, you did say a "quite famous composer." Blacher isn't exactly unheard of, but is he really that well known? I don't know a single work by him myself. But let's see about teachers of Barraqué too . . . .

He's quite a famous name I think. When I was a boy, my parents gave me the Larousse encyclopedia of music, and I remember Blacher being given quite a prominent mention - even a large picture where other names were absent (that's why I still remember about his Chinese birth, which struck me back then). So perhaps in my mind he's better-known than he is, but I still think that most of us here know his name and have very possibly heard of his rhythmic innovations even if we don't know his work - I only have one CD of his music myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:06:16 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 05:58:04 AM
How about "Melodic-Rhythmic Weaving"? (Just made that up.)

What would the result be if you wove these things together?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:08:05 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 05:35:40 AM
But let's see about teachers of Barraqué too . . . .

Don't go off on a Barraque tangent! It's Blacher, OK? Look carefully at the music and you ought to be able to guess what sort of piece this is; it's mentioned on one of Blacher's Wiki pages, though not one in English IIRC.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 06:37:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:06:16 AM
What would the result be if you wove these things together?

A quilt?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 06:45:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:08:05 AM
Don't go off on a Barraque tangent! It's Blacher, OK? Look carefully at the music and you ought to be able to guess what sort of piece this is; it's mentioned on one of Blacher's Wiki pages, though not one in English IIRC.

The 24 Preludes for Piano of 1974 looks right. I don't think it's the Jazz-Koloraturen für Sopran, Altsaxophon und Fagott (1929) or Gesang der Rotationsmaschinen für gemischten Chor (1930).

And for all you Blacher fans out there (I know you're out there), here's young Boris in his passport picture from Shanghai, age 19:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/b/b0/Boris_Blacher_1.jpg)

Bet you didn't think he looked like that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:48:40 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 06:37:23 AM
A quilt?

Getting closer. Made of?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:49:49 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 06:45:52 AM
The 24 Preludes for Piano of 1974 looks right. I don't think it's the Jazz-Koloraturen für Sopran, Altsaxophon und Fagott (1929) or Gesang der Rotationsmaschinen für gemischten Chor (1930).

You're far too sharp, obviously! The Preludes is correct.  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 06:53:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:48:40 AM
Getting closer. Made of?

Fabric.  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:54:15 AM
Bingo!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 06:55:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 06:54:15 AM
Bingo!



Closing the gap. Still three of mine left....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 07:26:01 AM
Give us some clues, then! Speaking personally, I've done as many as I can easily manage without clues, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 08:10:57 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 07:26:01 AM
Give us some clues, then! Speaking personally, I've done as many as I can easily manage without clues, I think.

Sure. Of my three:

2 pieces are 20th century.
1 is from the Renaissance.
1 is a stage work.
1 is by a woman.
2 are by English-speaking composers.
The Fl-Gtr piece also uses a piano.
1 is truly great by any objective measurement.
1 has a title that uses a musical term, but not in a musical way.
1 has a title that might make you hungry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 21, 2008, 11:03:34 AM
no.37 of mine is film music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 11:26:22 AM
Sfz 40 is from Byrd's Great Service, I believe. I came close to offering that answer yesterday (there aren't as many settings of these Decalogue Responses as I imagined I might find, so Byrd seemed a strong contender), but I couldn't find conclusive proof. I still haven't - it's omitted from the Gimell recording of the otherwise complete service 'on musical grounds', so I can't hear a sample - but I think it's more likely.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 11:26:22 AM
Sfz 40 is from Byrd's Great Service, I believe. I came close to offering that answer yesterday (there aren't as many settings of these Decalogue Responses as I imagined I might find, so Byrd seemed a strong contender), but I couldn't find conclusive proof. I still haven't - it's omitted from the Gimell recording of the otherwise complete service 'on musical grounds', so I can't hear a sample - but I think it's more likely.


That is the second page from the two-page Kyrie. Of my remaining two:

Both are 20th century.
1 is a stage work.
1 is by a woman.
1 is by an English-speaking composer.
The Fl-Gtr piece also uses a piano.
1 has a title that uses a musical term, but not in a musical way.
1 has a title that might make you hungry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 11:42:56 AM
1 has a title that might make you hungry.

Ha! I thought that one possibly referred to the Great Service!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
Ha! I thought that one possibly referred to the Great Service!

I see your point.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 21, 2008, 07:08:53 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 11:42:56 AM
1 has a title that might make you hungry.


Sfz44 is the Cuban (sandwich) Overture!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 07:26:09 PM
Quote from: Chrone on May 21, 2008, 07:08:53 PM
Sfz44 is the Cuban (sandwich) Overture!  ;D

Good try, but I fear not. I will tell you it's the other piece that has the meal-related title.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 07:02:32 AM
Sfz 39 - Claude Bolling: Picnic Suite (first movement, Rococo)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 22, 2008, 07:38:19 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 07:02:32 AM
Sfz 39 - Claude Bolling: Picnic Suite (first movement, Rococo)

One remains:
-------------
20th century.
A stage work.
By a woman.
By an English-speaking composer (note careful phrasing)
Has a title that uses a musical term, but not in a musical way.
A piano reduction.
In a sense "ethnic," but not South American.

I'm sure if you all put your heads together, you can come up with the answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on May 22, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 22, 2008, 07:38:19 AM
One remains:
-------------
20th century.
A stage work.
By a woman.
By an English-speaking composer (note careful phrasing)
Has a title that uses a musical term, but not in a musical way.
A piano reduction.
In a sense "ethnic," but not South American.

I'm sure if you all put your heads together, you can come up with the answer.


Peggy Glanville-Hicks -- The Transposed Heads
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 22, 2008, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 22, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
Peggy Glanville-Hicks -- The Transposed Heads

(http://www.philabad.com/images/photos/th_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 11:40:53 AM
I'm gutted - I was checking up on her yesterday, in fact, and again today too, and still have a page mentioning The Transposed Heads open as I type this!  >:(   (though I hadn't made the 'musical term' connection until now). Only the necessity of bathing and putting the kids to bed stopped me taking that further and, presumably, guessing at it myself!  >:( >:( >:(

Still, I should be happy with the ones I've got...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 22, 2008, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 11:40:53 AM
I'm gutted - I was checking up on her yesterday, in fact, and again today too, and still have a page mentioning The Transposed Heads open as I type this!  >:(   (though I hadn't made the 'musical term' connection until now). Only the necessity of bathing and putting the kids to bed stopped me taking that further and, presumably, guessing at it myself!  >:( >:( >:(

Still, I should be happy with the ones I've got...

Going to bed when it is still light outside... truly one of the worst afflictions of childhood!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 22, 2008, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 11:40:53 AM
Still, I should be happy with the ones I've got...

Cheer up, Luke - I just listened to your Sonata again, and enjoyed it immensely...  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 11:56:11 AM
Well, that's good to hear!

Stick around, guys - new clues to mine coming up in a little while...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 12:08:20 PM
Clues to my newer ones, anyway:

251 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)  The enigmatic composer, composed as a gesture of solidarity with a nearby ally in time of war.

255 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)  The mysterious composer, who shared the interest manifested by the composer of 238, but not at the time of this early piece.

257 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282) The one by the composer who is obvious from the context of the discussion, which is an earlier work than his more famous pieces in the genre, but equally inventive and ground-breaking.

260 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)  An extremely uncompromising score by a composer who's been on this thread quite a few times, I think, but who's best known for less abrasive stuff.

261 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927) Today my six year old daughter, who can only play in simple five-finger positions, tried to sightread a piece by this very famous composer.

262 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927) Equally famous composer, very-little-known early work rediscovered after his death.

263 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)

264 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927) Look in detail at the score; the composer is possibly the best-known of the early experimenters with this sort of thing.

265 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)  Looks hideously tricky, I know, but actually this piece is one of its composer's best -known pieces, due to its being a coupling on a very well-received disc of a few years ago, whose highlight work is one of the two or three finest and most famous concertos for the solo instrument you see here. The score sample itself contains an unusual orchestral touch which might help you find the work, too

266 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)  A piano sonata I'd never heard of, but by one of those mythical genius-who-died-too-young composers.

267 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064) Obviously, one of a set of variations. Look carefully and you'll uncover the theme (also look at the footnotes); the composer has been on this thread before

268 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064) Equally obviously, another set of variations, and again the composer has been on this thread before - he's generally associated with a much more avant-garde style than that we see here, but actually, in this final variation we see something of his interest in sound and sound-production, manifested in a more outrageous way in his better-known works

269 and 269b (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185065.html#msg185065) The two quotations are found 1) in the bottom line-and-a-half (quotation from an early work, the composer's great popular 'hit' and 2) at the beginning, in the chords of the left hand and the pedal note above (quotation from the beginning of a wonderful later work, already on this thread)

271 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066) This is the piano reduction of a work in a genre which Schoenberg was, I think, the first to  work in. Composer is a contemporary and compatriot of Schoenberg.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 22, 2008, 05:47:43 PM
LO266 - Lili Boulanger Piano Sonata? I'm not aware of her writing one (so this is a guess), but I don't know that much about her. I was absolutely staggered when I heard her works for the first time the other week.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 22, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
LO251: Elgar, "Le Drapeau Belge"  ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: Chrone on May 22, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
LO251: Elgar, "Le Drapeau Belge"  ::)

Very much on the right lines, but that's not the title on my score... Elgar, the 'enigmatic' composer, is correct of course.

Guido, not Lili Boulanger; the composer you want was born a few years earlier.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on May 23, 2008, 12:08:36 AM
265 - Could this be Gubaidulina's Viola Concerto?
268 - Lachenmann's Five Variations on a Theme of Schubert
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 23, 2008, 03:22:53 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on May 23, 2008, 12:08:36 AM
265 - Could this be Gubaidulina's Viola Concerto?

No - I think I can see why you guessed that, though.

Quote from: Symphonien on May 23, 2008, 12:08:36 AM
268 - Lachenmann's Five Variations on a Theme of Schubert

Yes - very good! I thought this would be one of the last to go!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 23, 2008, 03:29:11 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 09:32:26 PM
Very much on the right lines, but that's not the title on my score... Elgar, the 'enigmatic' composer, is correct of course.

#251 Either Carillon or Une Voix dans le Désert?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 23, 2008, 03:51:22 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 22, 2008, 09:32:26 PM
Very much on the right lines, but that's not the title on my score... Elgar, the 'enigmatic' composer, is correct of course.

Guido, not Lili Boulanger; the composer you want was born a few years earlier.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/253084/Lekeu-Piano-Sonata
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 23, 2008, 04:47:24 AM
Sforzando is correct on the Lekeu

Johan is correct - it is one of those two. But which?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 23, 2008, 04:50:55 AM
Let's bring this up TTT

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - Fabric - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Emsley - For Guitar 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Brant - Four Traumatics - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - Foulds - Essays in the Modes - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - Blacher - Preludes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - Gurdjieff - something-or-other-I'll-find-out-later - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - Bryars - Mr Sunshine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - Britten - Cadenza for Mozart K482 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - Nancarrow - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - Elgar - Carillon - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - Scriabin - Fantasy for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
257 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282)
258 - Handel - Guilio Cesare - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
259 - Gliere - Concerto for Coloratura Soprano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
260 - Gorecki - 5 pieces for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
261 - Stravinsky - Tango - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
262 - Webern - Movement (or Sonata) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
263 - Gubaidulina - Toccata Troncata - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
264 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
265 - Eötvös - Replica - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
266 - Lekeu - Piano Sonata - Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
267 - Markevitch - Variations on a Theme by Handel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
268 - Lachenmann - Five Variations on a Theme of Schubert - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
269/269b - Suk - O Mamince - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185065.html#msg185065)
270 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Piano Concerto - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
271 - Schreker - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
272 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188109.html#msg188109)
273 - Brian - John Dowland's Fancy - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188112.html#msg188112)


Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)
29 - Vaughan Williams - Romance - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183089.html#msg183089)
30a-c - Ives - Skethces for Universe Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183247.html#msg183247)
31 - Korngold - Romance-Impromptu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183257.html#msg183257)
32 - Ives - Some Southpaw Pitching - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
33 - Honegger - Cello concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
34 - Ysaye - Solo Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
35 - Klengel - Hymnus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
36 - Piazzolla - Cuatro Estaciones porteña - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
37 - T. Newman - score to American Beauty - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
38 - Janacek - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
39 - Ravel - Concerto for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
40 - Bartok - Solo Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 -  Flothuis - Symphonic Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - von Einem - Philadelphia Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - Schmidt - The Fantasticks - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
33 - Wagner - Die Meistersinger.. - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182476.html#msg182476)
34 - Wagner - Das Rheingold - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182515.html#msg182515)
35 - Alkan - Allegro Barbaro (no 5, Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
36 - Massenet - Don Quichotte - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
37 - Schumann - Genoveva - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
38 - Meyerbeer - Les Huguenots - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg186362.html#msg186362)
39 - Bolling - Picnic Suite - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
40 - Byrd - Great Service - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
42 - Boulez - First Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
43 - Handel - Saul - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
44 - Glanville Hicks - The Transposed Heads - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
45 - Barraque - Piano Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
46 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
47 - Liszt - Hungarian Folksong - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
48 - Clementi - Sonata op 40/2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)


Set by Chrone
1 - Gibbons - Cries of London - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184858.html#msg184858)
2 - Billings - Jargon - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184868.html#msg184868)
3 - Joplin - Treemonisha - (Mark) (//http://)

Set by Karl
1 - Henning - Wedding Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188451.html#msg188451)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 23, 2008, 05:11:30 AM
"I think I've missed Sfz 38 if it's been posted."

Probably a gap in my numbering scheme. This should be quite easy:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 23, 2008, 05:51:20 AM
251 - Elgar - Une Voix dans le Désert
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 23, 2008, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 23, 2008, 05:51:20 AM
251 - Elgar - Une Voix dans le Désert

So I'll go with LO251: Elgar, Carillon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 23, 2008, 08:06:30 AM
Quote from: Chrone on May 23, 2008, 07:51:22 AM
So I'll go with LO251: Elgar, Carillon.

This is a fight to the death!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 23, 2008, 08:26:28 AM
Sorry, to say, then, Johan, that Chrone is the winner!  ;D

Carillon - a kind of melodrama, music to accompany the reading of a poetic elegy for Belguim. Actually, not too bad, not the bits I've played anyway - a kind of restrained dignity that proves the Elgarian nobilmente isn't an entirely English-only affair.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 23, 2008, 08:47:47 AM
"Congratulations... Chrone...", he gasped, and expired.

0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 23, 2008, 09:47:05 AM
Yeeha!

And to continue the micro-roll I'm on:

Sfz38 is from "Les Huguenots" by Meyerbeer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 23, 2008, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: Chrone on May 23, 2008, 09:47:05 AM
Yeeha!

And to continue the micro-roll I'm on:

Sfz38 is from "Les Huguenots" by Meyerbeer.

And so it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 25, 2008, 07:16:44 AM
OK so of mine - the Piazzolla one still hasn't been guessed... not an obscure piece, but this is a piano trio arrangement so maybe not the instrumentation that you are used to (I believe the arrangement was either made or sanctione by the composer though).

The film music is by a very famous film composer, who writes alot of very beautiful stuff for piano and strings. He's done some of the biggest 'intelligent' movies of recent years (i.e. not your standard idiot's action heavy, light on plot film). The film this is from was one of the most famous and best films of the 90s.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 27, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
Where is Luke?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 27, 2008, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 27, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
Where is Luke?

I was asking that myself. But it was a Bank Holiday in the UK, so perhaps he was out with the whole family...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 27, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
Today, he is listening to chamber music by you-know-who. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 27, 2008, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: Maciek on May 27, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
Today, he is listening to chamber music by you-know-who. ;D

Ah, the poor poor man... (This man is going to bed!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 27, 2008, 03:58:20 PM
Good night! 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 27, 2008, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 27, 2008, 03:50:44 PM
I was asking that myself. But it was a Bank Holiday in the UK, so perhaps he was out with the whole family...

Banking?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on May 27, 2008, 06:05:17 PM
Quote from: Guido on May 25, 2008, 07:16:44 AM
The film music is by a very famous film composer, who writes alot of very beautiful stuff for piano and strings. He's done some of the biggest 'intelligent' movies of recent years (i.e. not your standard idiot's action heavy, light on plot film). The film this is from was one of the most famous and best films of the 90s.

"The Piano" by Michael Nyman?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 12:23:47 AM
Hello!

Yes, I was away for the Bank Holiday. And I returned to find very little had happened on this thread, so I've had nothing to respond to!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 01:08:08 AM
Guido - your film music one: Elfman? Kilar? It's similar to some of their work, but not exactly the same as any that I know.  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 28, 2008, 04:37:43 AM
No. These 3 ninetees films that I talked about were all really major hollywood films, one of which is surely one of the most universally loved films ever.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 05:42:20 AM
Oh God, it's Thomas Newman, isn't it! American Beauty. The really famous bit, too....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 06:08:25 AM
A (fairly) educated guess - is the Piazzolla from his 'Four Seasons' set Cuatro Estaciones porteña? I have the following reasons:

1) I'm sure I know this tune - though so many Piazzolla tunes have roughly this shape and harmony it's hard to be 100% sure - but I don't think its on the six Piazzolla discs I have. However, I used to have Gidon Kremer's recording of the Cuatro Estaciones (now lost) so perhaps that is where I've heard it, if indeed I have.

2) At some point in the past I have seen this work in an arrangement that looks a little like this one, I think. (Again, relying on memory here)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 28, 2008, 06:30:56 AM
Yes you are right on both accounts! The Piazzolla is the winter movement.

Thomas Newman is one of my favourite film composers - a case where his music very often truly makes a film - American beauty would not be the same without that score. I think the scores for The Green Mile and The Shawshank redemption are almost as good.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 07:02:55 AM
Just weighing in. In the US we don't usually speak of "bank holidays," but there are 10-11 federal holidays on which the banks, public schools, and federal offices are closed. Some of these holidays - January 1, Memorial (formerly Decoration) Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas - are observed by most businesses (except that many stores remain open on Memorial Day); some of the others - Martin Luther King, Presidents' Day, Columbus Day, and Veterans' Day - are less likely to be "celebrated" by the average store or business.

(Perhaps we can work in a Charles Ives connection here.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 07:16:56 AM
Does that mean you've guessed? That I'm at work on a Bank Holidays Symphony?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 07:20:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 07:16:56 AM
Does that mean you've guessed? That I'm at work on a Bank Holidays Symphony?

Now we don't just guess actual scores; we also guess scores that haven't yet been written.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 07:23:14 AM
Ooooh, oooh, my turn! I guess that Saul will write something called 'Prelude in F flat minor' in the next few years.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 09:19:48 AM
Lots of mine left. Looking through my old clues, I am shocked some of these haven't been identified, to the extent that I haven't been able to hold off from the odd  ::) ::)  (  >:D >:D ;D ;D ). Anyway, some even-more give-away clues added to the older ones, now, especially for the older scores:

219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892) - you know it's by a great pianist who was the protege of a great violinist-composer. I may not have mentioned this before, but it also shares a characteristic with a score of Bartok than Guido tested us with a week or two back.. NEW CLUES - the violinist-composer was also this composer's godfather; this composer died young, of Hodgkin's disease; he was taught by Nadia Boulanger, Charles Munch and Dukas. And - to emphasize - he's very famous (as a pianist). What more do you need?

232 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - you know the composer (Feldman). And also that it's a  piano solo. And that, strangely enough,  it isn't one of those listed by Sforzando, which were:

Two Intermissions
Intermission 5
Intermission 6
Piano Piece 1952
Extensions 3
Three Pieces For Piano
Piano Piece 1955
Piano Piece 1956 A
Piano Piece 1956 B
Last Piece
Vertical Thoughts 4
Piano Piece (To Philip Guston)
Piano Piece (1964)
Nature Pieces For Piano
Variations
Intermission 3
Intermission 4
Intersection 2
Intersection 3
Intermission 6

but that this list contains the title of this piece several times over.

234 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) As stated earlier, the composer was much better known as a prodigiously gifted, prematurely deceased pianist with an impressive repertoire ranging from the classics to Boulez and Sorabji. As revealed above, either this one or no 219 is by John Ogdon. NEW CLUE and as should be obvious from the new clues to 219, that one isn't by Ogdon....   ::)

238 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)  Not a composer associated with the piano, which instrument isn't very well suited to the technical concerns he developed later in life. This piece, slightly earlier, isn't quite there yet. It refers to the music and culture of an Asian country often bypassed by western composers looking for an Eastern fix. That country is Tibet; this composer visited Tibet and Nepal, I believe, and was greatly influenced by Hinduism and Buddhism. There have only been one or two composers directly influenced by Tibet, and this piece is this composer's most obviously Tibetan work. And it's not Glass; nor is it one of my favourites, Jonathan Harvey. NEW CLUE - surprised you need it. This composer is better-known as one of the finalists in the Champion's League this season.  ;D

244 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) Look at the technique involved here; the composer is quite clear then. We had a piece by this composer a long time back, and Mark identified it then - he spotted that the piece was a complex canon at various speeds, as is this one, though it's much simpler here. Who composes such things? NEW CLUE - oh, come on!!! A complex canon at various speeds Composer lived in Mexico.  ::) ::) COMPOSER IDENTIFIED - Nancarrow

245 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) The one with the repeated letter (R ) beginning each constituent title, and whose collective title reflects this. Shall I spell it out for you? R, then R, then R, then R......  ::) ::) ::)

255 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)  The mysterious composer, who shared the interest manifested by the composer of 238, but not at the time of this early piece. NEW CLUES This composer was born on Christmas day - or January 6th, depending on your calendar. At Conservatoire, he wrote a fugue which became required learning for subsequent generations of students at the same institution - but fugue is not a form for which he is known. He and his son have both featured on this thread. PIECE IDENTIFIED - Scriabin, Fantasy for 2 pianos

257 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282) The one by the composer who is obvious from the context of the discussion, which is an earlier work than his more famous pieces in the genre, but equally inventive and ground-breaking. NEW CLUES The composer, obviously, is Alkan - I hope you all got that far, though no one said so. It's hard to do more than emphasize that this is a (relatively) early piece in a genre in which he later wrote his greatest masterpieces

260 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)  An extremely uncompromising score by a composer who's been on this thread quite a few times, I think, but who's best known for less abrasive stuff. NEW CLUES. Maciek would know this, and the composer has been on the thread before, more than once. His best-known piece - extremely famous - is about as far in style from this work as can be imagined. PIECE IDENTIFIED - Gorecki, 5 pieces for 2 pianos

261 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927) Today my six year old daughter, who can only play in simple five-finger positions, tried to sightread a piece by this very famous composer. NEW CLUE Try saying back that last sentence in French. PIECE IDENTIFIED - Stravinsky, Tango

262 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927) Equally famous composer, very-little-known early work rediscovered after his death. NEW CLUE The composer of the previous piece (261) was responsible for the most quoted aphorism about this composer, something about excavating gemstones. PIECE IDENTIFIED - Webern, Movement (or Sonata) for piano

263 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
NEW CLUE This composer was and is interested in alternative tunings, and the resulting music was labelled 'irresponsible'; but the composer was encouraged by Shostakovich to continue on this 'mistaken path' Later music uses the Fibonacci sequence as a structural determinant. COMPOSER IDENTIFIED - Gubaidulina

264 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927) Look in detail at the score; the composer is possibly the best-known of the early experimenters with this sort of thing. NEW CLUE Well, honestly, has anyone looked? 'This sort of thing' = micro tonality.  ::)

265 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)  Looks hideously tricky, I know, but actually this piece is one of its composer's best -known pieces, due to its being a coupling on a very well-received disc of a few years ago, whose highlight work is one of the two or three finest and most famous concertos for the solo instrument you see here. The score sample itself contains an unusual orchestral touch which might help you find the work, too. NEW CLUE That well-received disc features three pieces for viola and orchestra from the same country - one piece of juvenilia; one very well-known concerto; and this piece. The two initials of the (well-known) solo violist are the same letter. PIECE IDENTIFIED - Eotvos, Replica

267 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064) Obviously, one of a set of variations. Look carefully and you'll uncover the theme (also look at the footnotes); the composer has been on this thread before NEW CLUE When this composer was on this thread before, it took me ages to work out the title of the piece, which eventually turned out to be something mythological. But the work of this composer's which I return to most is his version of the Musical Offering. PIECE IDENTIFIED - Markevitch, Handel Variations

269 and 269b (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185065.html#msg185065) The two quotations are found 1) in the bottom line-and-a-half (quotation from an early work, the composer's great popular 'hit' and 2) at the beginning, in the chords of the left hand and the pedal note above (quotation from the beginning of a wonderful later work, already on this thread) NEW CLUE - I love this composer, and it sucks that you can't guess him because I'm desperate to upload some samples of this piece! His most famous work - on Radio 3 at the weekend - is a double memorial for orchestra, and this piece is an intimate companion piece to that work, though it memorialises only one of the two deceased. PIECE IDENTIFIED - Suk, O Mamince

271 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066) This is the piano reduction of a work in a genre which Schoenberg was, I think, the first to  work in. Composer is a contemporary and compatriot of Schoenberg. NEW CLUES Well, I could go down the line of verbal clues, I suppose, though I tend to think that sort of thing is pretty horrible//awful/terrible/dire/shocking etc. (though I think so in German). The lead actor in my favourite film shares a first syllable with this composer. The lead character in one of my childrens' favourite films likewise. The other syllable? Er, I'll just have to think about that one.....
COMPOSER IDENTIFIED - Schreker
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 28, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
269 and 269b

Your clues make me think of Josef Suk, who wrote the 'Asrael' symphony after Dvorak and his own wife (Dvorak's daughter) died (iirc).

So - Josef Suk?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 09:27:57 AM
And I did say that it sucked that he hadn't been identified!  ;D

Yes, of course!  ;D I ought to clarify that one of the 'quotations' - that in the second sample - is actually no such thing. In fact, the later work quotes from this piece, of course. Though the fact that the musical idea is shared between the two works remains. And the self-quotation in the first sample definitely is such a thing.

Once this piece is identified I won't be able to resist posting some samples, I warn you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 09:35:22 AM
Two more, with similar titles.

LO 272
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 09:36:15 AM
LO 273
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 28, 2008, 09:40:00 AM
Things Lived and Dreamed, op. 30

273 is Brian! John Dowland's Fancy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
Phew! I hoped you'd get that one!

The Suk isn't that piece, though you're only a few opus numbers out. Remember that it's a memorial, like Asrael, though only to one of the two people memorialised in that piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 10:03:38 AM
Re my new two - they have similar titles, as I said, so if one is called 'John Dowland's Fancy' the other will share a name of a similar sort. So, a hint would be - play through 272 - it is a varied quotation from one of the better-known works of the composer whose name is part of the title.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 28, 2008, 10:11:16 AM
Josef Suk, "O Mamince", op. 28
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:21:47 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 07:23:14 AM
Ooooh, oooh, my turn! I guess that Saul will write something called 'Prelude in F flat minor' in the next few years.

Malheureusement....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:27:34 AM
I think Luke is becoming impatient with how slow and dense the rest of us are.  :D

232-  Don't know just yet, but it's something like Piano, Piece, Intermission, for, 4, or Intersection
244 - Nancarrow
261-  Stravinsky (but not Les Cinq Doigts) - yet I can't place it
262-  One of Ravel's gemstones

More later I hope....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:30:40 AM
267 is Igor Markevitch's Variations on a Theme by Handel.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 10:31:34 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:27:34 AM
I think Luke is becoming impatient with how slow and dense the rest of us are.  :D

No, just surprised  ;D

Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:27:34 AM232-  Don't know just yet, but it's something like Piano, Piece, Intermission, for, 4, or Intersection
Yes
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:27:34 AM244 - Nancarrow
Yes
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:27:34 AM261-  Stravinsky (but not Les Cinq Doigts) - yet I can't place it
Really? Why not?  ;D (no, of course it isn't)
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:27:34 AM262-  One of Ravel's gemstones
No. Another precious stone digger...

Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:27:34 AMMore later I hope....

Me too

Just seen the Markevitch one - that's correct. The theme is....?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 28, 2008, 10:11:16 AM
Josef Suk, "O Mamince", op. 28

That's the one - an utterly devastating masterpiece IMO, just as much so as his louder, bigger, more public works. Samples coming soon.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 10:31:34 AM
No, just surprised  ;D

- You know what happens. When so many come down the road at once, it's harder to focus, especially when 3-4 people are throwing 10 examples apiece. You're literally opening 3-4 instances of the thread at once trying to find the examples.

YesYesReally? Why not?

- I don't know!

No. Another precious stone digger...

- Then it must be Webern.

Me too

Just seen the Markevitch one - that's correct. The theme is....?

- It is from one of the harpsichord suites in E major, to which Handel also wrote his set of variations. Something about a contrapuntal ironmonger, or the like.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 10:38:16 AM
Webern is correct.

And the Tuneful Tinker is also correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:46:12 AM
271 must be Franz Schreker, though I don't know which.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 10:46:12 AM
271 must be Franz Schreker, though I don't know which.

Like I said, this is the piano arrangement of a piece in a form which AFAIK was invented by Schoenberg. There have been other examples by many composers - pieces by Enescu, Adams and Ades are the first to spring to mind.

And oh yes, Schreker is correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 12:48:40 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 10:32:49 AM
That's the one - an utterly devastating masterpiece IMO, just as much so as his louder, bigger, more public works. Samples coming soon.  ;D

Forget about samples - here's the whole thing, and for once at a proper bit-rate. Pianist is Ivan Moravec, who it seems rated these pieces very highly, as do I.

Suk's O Mamince ('About Mother', or simply 'Mother') was written for his son following the death of Otylka, Dvorak's daughter, Suk's wife and, obviously, the boy's mother. Otylka is also remembered in the last two movements of the mighty Asrael symphony (whose first three movements are memorials to Dvorak) but here the memories are much more personal, relevant to Suk himself and to the boy.

The first two movements depict Otylka as a young girl - the first, from which my first sample came, quotes Suk's op 7 no 1 Love Song, his big popular hit.

The third movement is a lullaby which, like Ravel's Le gibet but to very different effect, is hung around a persistent tolling B flat. Suk's characteristically sensitive chromatic harmony creates a spellbinding, suspended effect.

The fourth movement - my second sample - depicts 'Mother's heart', and eventually her death. It begins with the same idea that later began the orchestral work A Summer's Tale - my own favourite of Suk's larger pieces. Obviously the unstable repeating octaves through this piece depicts the sick heart (as in e.g Strauss's Death and Transfiguration). Finally a fifth movement is simply title 'Remembering'

It's safe to assume there are plenty of other quotations in this piece, I suspect, and a little digging might uncover them. But those are the only ones I know of so far.

I've also uploaded Moravec's reading of the Love Song quoted in the first 'Mother' piece, for comparison. A much less subtle work than O Mamince, but one can see why it was so successful (it's great fun to play too!)

About Mother 1 - When Mother was still a little girl (http://www.mediafire.com/?mysl21sbwgt)
About Mother 2 - Once in springtime (http://www.mediafire.com/?dnjdnbieetm)
About Mother 3 - How Mother sang at night to the sick child (http://www.mediafire.com/?b2emt9ymjti)
About Mother 4 - Mother's heart (http://www.mediafire.com/?3trzpepf1yi)
About Mother 5 - Remembering (http://www.mediafire.com/?s2tygttznzo)

Love Song (http://www.mediafire.com/?vj3ufmwmwwl)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 28, 2008, 01:21:12 PM
Fantastic - like you say in a similar vein to Janacek's piano music in more than one way... Really truly wonderful stuff - I love making 'discoveries' and being introduced to new gems like this. Cheers!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
Glad you liked it - it makes the best possible parallel to Janacek's Overgrown Path, which has a similar intimacy and is also IMO a work filled with memories and personal loss- in that case, the loss of Janacek's daughter Olga.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 09:19:48 AM
Lots of mine left. Looking through my old clues, I am shocked some of these haven't been identified, to the extent that I haven't been able to hold off from the odd  ::) ::)

Peggy Glanville-Hicks, Gottfried von Einem  ::) ::)

Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 09:19:48 AM
NEW CLUE - surprised you need it. This composer is better-known as one of the finalists in the Champion's League this season.  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_UEFA_Champions_League_Final

Even after looking at this, I'm no closer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 02:57:43 PM
Peggy Glanville-Hicks, Gottfried von Einem  ::) ::)

;D  ;D  (neither of these are quite such well-known names as many of mine which have taken even longer to find (Stravinsky, Elgar, Boulez...). Nor so easily identifiable by a distinct personal style - as for instance the Nancarrow, or the 'Tibetan' one, which in both cases could be by no other composer. Plus, my clues actually give the name of the composer sometimes, no cryptology in sight! You can see why I may be surprised!)

Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 02:57:43 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_UEFA_Champions_League_Final
Even after looking at this, I'm no closer.

No tricks here - just say the names of the finalists.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 03:09:37 PM
;D  ;D  (neither of these are quite such well-known names as many of mine which have taken even longer to find (Stravinsky, Elgar, Boulez...). Nor so easily identifiable by a distinct personal style - as for instance the Nancarrow, or the 'Tibetan' one, which in both cases could be by no other composer. Plus, my clues actually give the name of the composer sometimes, no cryptology in sight! You can see why I may be surprised!)

No tricks here - just say the names of the finalists.....

I did, I did...
Question: is the Stravinsky a reduction?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
I did, I did...

Do it again - the composer's name isn't exactly the same, but close enough to be clear. A friend of mine once attended a garden party populated by composers and overheard Hugh Wood dismissing the popularity of this composer with a joke based on the similarity of his name to to that of this popular football team

Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 03:16:58 PMQuestion: is the Stravinsky a reduction?

No, but it also exists in an ensemble form which was made 13 years later. When you Google the piece it is the piano version which appears most frequently, but personally it is the ensemble version I have in my CD collection.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 03:36:45 PM
Do it again

I did.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 03:36:45 PM
No, but it also exists in an ensemble form which was made 13 years later. When you Google the piece it is the piano version which appears most frequently, but personally it is the ensemble version I have in my CD collection.

I probably have scores to some 65-75 Stravinsky works, but apparently not this one. Since you brought up Les Cinq Doigts, I'm going to go on process of elimination and say this could be from the Suite #1. (Which I have neither in score or recording, but which I think orchestrated some of those pieces. Not sure, though, 'cause your score is not a 2-piano piece.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 28, 2008, 10:33:26 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 28, 2008, 12:48:40 PM
A Summer's Tale - my own favourite of Suk's larger pieces.

I agree - an astonishingly powerful piece.

Thanks for the uploads, Luke! I'll turn them into downloads for my delectation shortly...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 12:12:53 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 05:24:19 PM
I did.

You have me doubting myself!

Quote from: Sforzando on May 28, 2008, 05:24:19 PM
I probably have scores to some 65-75 Stravinsky works, but apparently not this one. Since you brought up Les Cinq Doigts, I'm going to go on process of elimination and say this could be from the Suite #1. (Which I have neither in score or recording, but which I think orchestrated some of those pieces. Not sure, though, 'cause your score is not a 2-piano piece.)

No, it's not that one. A single movement, stand-alone piece like Ragtime, for instance, but later than both that work and the Suite. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 12:17:00 AM
Hi Luke! I just started listening to Suk's piano suite - beautiful and very affecting. I think I'll follow it up with A Summer's Tale.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 12:20:04 AM
And on that subject...

Quote from: Jezetha on May 28, 2008, 10:33:26 PM
I agree - an astonishingly powerful piece.

One of my previous score samples too (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) (in the pre-Jezetha days IIRC). I see that in all hopefullness I put 'I suspect this is fairly well-known, so no clues yet' at the top of it, but IIRC it took quite a long time and a few clues before Larry identified it. So it seems it wasn't as well-known as I thought/hoped. Maybe I should upload that one too, then - it's such a fine work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 02:14:55 AM
Ah... so 265 must be Peter Eötvös's Replica, for viola & orchestra then. I do not have that CD, but it does look very interesting. I admire Eötvös's work as a conductor, but have never heard any of his compositions. How would you describe his music? Any stylistic comparisons you can make?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 02:16:57 AM
263 must be something by Ligeti. But I am no expert...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 02:26:33 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 02:14:55 AM
Ah... so 265 must be Peter Eötvös's Replica, for viola & orchestra then. I do not have that CD, but it does look very interesting. I admire Eötvös's work as a conductor, but have never heard any of his compositions. How would you describe his music? Any stylistic comparisons you can make?

Very good! For those that didn't follow my clues - this is a piece recorded by Kim Kashkashian on a fantastic ECM CD which also contains the Bartok Viola Concerto and an early viola-and-orchestra piece by Kurtag. Within the score itself the clues, apart from the solo viola, are the six violas in the orchestra who impinge upon the soloist in a sometimes threatening way - if you know this CD you will recognise this element of the score. Stylistic comparisons....tricky! He's a composer who really knows his way around an orchestra in a virtuoso way, like Lindberg for example, but its more hard-bitten stuff - complex, phantasmagorical and completely without aridity.

Quote from: Jezetha on May 29, 2008, 02:16:57 AM
263 must be something by Ligeti. But I am no expert...

No, not Ligeti. Big clue - the composer is female.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 02:28:06 AM
260 is Gorecki's 5 pieces for two pianos.

262 is Webern's Movement for Piano. That's all it's known as, I think. It's in Boulez's Complete Webern set, played by Gianluca Cascioli. An interesting piece of juvenilia, but I think he has better works without opus numbers.

263 - Gubaidulina's Piano Sonata?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 02:41:32 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 12:12:53 AM
No, it's not that one. A single movement, stand-alone piece like Ragtime, for instance, but later than both that work and the Suite. 

It is the Tango, a pot-boiler so insignificant it barely rates 3-4 brief mentions in Walsh vol. 2.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 02:45:21 AM
Yes, Sforzando, that's right. I sense exasperation implied in your disdainful description of the piece  ;D so accept my apologies!

Quote from: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 02:28:06 AM
262 is Webern's Movement for Piano. That's all it's known as, I think. It's in Boulez's Complete Webern set, played by Gianluca Cascioli. An interesting piece of juvenilia, but I think he has better works without opus numbers.

Yes, and yes he does. It's also been published as a sonata (Webern himself didn't give it a title)

Quote from: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 02:28:06 AM
263 - Gubaidulina's Piano Sonata?

Right composer - and the piece is a good guess. But it's not this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 02:49:15 AM
Sorry, Symphonien, didn't see your Gorecki guess. It's correct. Amazing the distance he travelled from this implacable, aggressive and hypercomplex serialism, isn't it!?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 03:04:40 AM
Yes, it certainly is! Coincidentally I was listening to his 2nd String Quartet earlier this afternoon - very different style indeed.

263 - Must be either the Chaconne, Invention or Toccata - Troncata. I'll guess the Chaconne.

255 - Alexander Scriabin's Fantasy for two pianos in A minor?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 03:11:10 AM
It's a minor piece, even a throwaway, one might say;  but I am indignant at the term pot-boiler being hurtled at Stravinsky's Tango.

You try writing such a "pot-boiler," sforz! (No, really;  I should find it of keen interest.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:12:19 AM
You tell him, Karl!!  $:)

Quote from: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 03:04:40 AM
263 - Must be either the Chaconne, Invention or Toccata - Troncata. I'll guess the Chaconne.

Guess one of the others!

Quote from: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 03:04:40 AM
255 - Alexander Scriabin's Fantasy for two pianos in A minor?

Yes! Well done. A work chock full of flaws, but with a second subject of strange appeal. I attach a little clip of it in the piano + orchestra version, starting at the top of my sample passage. Horrible clunky recording, but that only adds to the down-at-heel charm to my mind!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 03:31:20 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 03:11:10 AM
It's a minor piece, even a throwaway, one might say;  but I am indignant at the term pot-boiler being hurtled at Stravinsky's Tango.

You try writing such a "pot-boiler," sforz! (No, really;  I should find it of keen interest.)

The term "pot-boiler" is used explicitly by Walsh (vol. 2, p. 131), who claims this piece was written primarily by Stravinsky to make money, and there were hopes it would become as popular as Ravel's Bolero. So please, hurl no further indignities at moi. (Whether I could have written something comparable is not really relevant.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:37:04 AM
You tell him, Sforz!!  $:)


though if the fact that the piece was written 'primarily to make money' is what makes it a pot-boiler, then there are an awful lot of pot-boilers amongst works we tend to think of as among the finest!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 03:55:21 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 03:31:20 AM
The term "pot-boiler" is used explicitly by Walsh (vol. 2, p. 131)

Thank you for pointing out that the (entirely righteous) indignation should in fact be directed to Walsh.  I am pleased, for I enjoyed his bio so well, I had started to feel the hint of a need for something (small, probably) to be displeased with in the book(s).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:56:13 AM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:56:46 AM
Any scores you want to post here, Karl?  0:) 0:) 0:)

(thought I'd badger you whilst you were hanging around!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 03:59:09 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:37:04 AM
You tell him, Sforz!!  $:)


though if the fact that the piece was written 'primarily to make money' is what makes it a pot-boiler, then there are an awful lot of pot-boilers amongst works we tend to think of as among the finest!

In a literary context, Dr. Johnson was quoted by Boswell to have said, "No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money" (though Boswell finds this a "strange opinion"). But the term "pot-boiler" implies something written both to make quick money and below one's artistic best. ("Minor," "throwaway.")

Hence Wellington's Victory and (maybe, since they display considerable artistry) all those folksong settings can be considered pot-boilers; the Missa Solemnis cannot - no matter how many publishers Beethoven offered it to.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:00:21 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 03:55:21 AM
Thank you for pointing out that the (entirely righteous) indignation should in fact be directed to Walsh.  I am pleased, for I enjoyed his bio so well, I had started to feel the hint of a need for something (small, probably) to be displeased with in the book(s).

How about his (apparently) somewhat vindictive treatment of Bob Craft?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:01:25 AM
So you're calling Wellington's Victory a pot-boiler now? Will you never learn? I'm telling Rod Corkin....  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:02:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:56:13 AM
;D ;D

In partial penance, I will take along my Aleck Karis CD of Stravinsky's piano music to the office and listen to the 4-minute Tango 5 times on my 20-minute commute.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:03:36 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:01:25 AM
So you're calling Wellington's Victory a pot-boiler now? Will you never learn? I'm telling Rod Corkin....  ;D ;D

No! no! he'll start posting scores of obscure Handel operas on this thread and will expect us to identify every secco recitative.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:05:57 AM
I suspect Rod's one of those who doesn't actually have any interest in scores, don't worry...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:07:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:56:46 AM
Any scores you want to post here, Karl?  0:) 0:) 0:)

(thought I'd badger you whilst you were hanging around!)

Hmm . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:09:47 AM
Karl posts a score!!!  :) :)

(http://www.amazingballoons.co.uk/acatalog/partyhat.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:10:31 AM
Is it Henning?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:11:06 AM
I was going to ask the same - a brass quintet in 5/4 time. I say Henning.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BachQ on May 29, 2008, 04:11:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:10:31 AM
Is it Henning?

Henning.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:12:14 AM
I say it is nuptually purposed.

(That is, it seems to fit the description of a brass quintet movement from Karl's Wedding Music, most recent page of 'his' thread)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:12:28 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:00:21 AM
How about his (apparently) somewhat vindictive treatment of Bob Craft?

You hint at motivations to which I cannot answer.  I must admit that the portrait of Craft is not wholly admirable (where, admiring so much of Craft's professional work, I certainly wish that the portrait might be wholly admirable).  Do you feel that it is unfair?  There seems to me some question;  yet, I do not consider myself competent to form any opinion on the question at present.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:12:44 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:12:14 AM
I say it is nuptually purposed.

Dang, caught out again!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:16:04 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:12:28 AM
You hint at motivations to which I cannot answer.  I must admit that the portrait of Craft is not wholly admirable (where, admiring so much of Craft's professional work, I certainly wish that the portrait might be wholly admirable).  Do you feel that it is unfair?  There seems to me some question;  yet, I do not consider myself competent to form any opinion on the question at present.

Motivation aside (and no, I can't answer that either), it does seem to be a very negative portrayal especially in the final years. I don't have time right now (got to get to work, and listen to that Tango 5 times), but I've had friends claim that wherever there are two versions of an event, Craft's and someone else's, Walsh almost invariably disbelieves Craft's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:16:46 AM
Quote from: Dm on May 29, 2008, 04:11:45 AM
Henning.

And when is Dm going to post any scores? (Hint: they do not all have to be in Dm.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:17:54 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:02:37 AM
In partial penance, I will take along my Aleck Karis CD of Stravinsky's piano music to the office and listen to the 4-minute Tango 5 times on my 20-minute commute.

Well, if you ask me (and maybe you aren't), that is too much penance . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:20:05 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:16:46 AM
And when is Dm going to post any scores? (Hint: they do not all have to be in Dm.)

No, they do. And all by Brahms too. Should make it easier.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 04:20:27 AM
Letter by Robert Craft re Walsh:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9506EFDE133EF93BA15756C0A9609C8B63
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:30:15 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 04:16:04 AM
Motivation aside (and no, I can't answer that either), it does seem to be a very negative portrayal especially in the final years. I don't have time right now (got to get to work, and listen to that Tango 5 times), but I've had friends claim that wherever there are two versions of an event, Craft's and someone else's, Walsh almost invariably disbelieves Craft's.

Seeming a negative portrayal especially in the final years is aptly said.  Is that vindictive?  If Walsh considers that he cannot place complete confidence in Craft's account of a series of events in which Craft is necessarily an interested party, is this vindictive on Walsh's part?  My questions are rhetorical, naturally.  This moment in Stravinsky Studies seems, alas, to have reached a point where the musician who is the most significant living resource, has to some degree compromised his own credibility.

[I see I've crossed with a link from Johan, but I'll let this stand, and mash after.]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:35:39 AM
One of the best things about this thread - the most wide-ranging discussions without once going OT

(personally I'm enjoying the vision of Sforzando partaking of a silent tango on his commute in to work)

(and 'partaking of a silent tango' isn't the euphemism it appears to be  ;D )

(at least I hope not, for the sake of his fellow commuters)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 05:09:55 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:35:39 AM
One of the best things about this thread - the most wide-ranging discussions without once going OT

(personally I'm enjoying the vision of Sforzando partaking of a silent tango on his commute in to work)

(and 'partaking of a silent tango' isn't the euphemism it appears to be  ;D )

(at least I hope not, for the sake of his fellow commuters)



Now now, don't steer this thread to the Dark Side, Luke!  $:)

(May the Force be with you, always.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:31:05 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:30:15 AM
Seeming a negative portrayal especially in the final years is aptly said.  Is that vindictive?  If Walsh considers that he cannot place complete confidence in Craft's account of a series of events in which Craft is necessarily an interested party, is this vindictive on Walsh's part?  My questions are rhetorical, naturally.  This moment in Stravinsky Studies seems, alas, to have reached a point where the musician who is the most significant living resource, has to some degree compromised his own credibility.

[I see I've crossed with a link from Johan, but I'll let this stand, and mash after.]

All right, forget the word "vindictive." (Craft thought it was, but that doesn't make it so.) The better question is whether it is an accurate portrayal. And since Craft is most definitely an interested party, it is entirely likely that Walsh is the more "objective" of the two here. (Needless to say, given Craft's extreme taste for minutiae, he doubtless has dissected every possible small misstatement of fact that Walsh has made.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:33:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 04:35:39 AM
(personally I'm enjoying the vision of Sforzando partaking of a silent tango on his commute in to work)

After listening to the same 4-minute D minor work 4 times this morning (traffic was better than usual), I am certain that if the Tango ever appears on this thread again, I will not miss it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:33:31 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 04:17:54 AM
Well, if you ask me (and maybe you aren't), that is too much penance . . . .

That's for sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 05:37:18 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:31:05 AM
All right, forget the word "vindictive." (Craft thought it was, but that doesn't make it so.) The better question is whether it is an accurate portrayal. And since Craft is most definitely an interested party, it is entirely likely that Walsh is the more "objective" of the two here. (Needless to say, given Craft's extreme taste for minutiae, he doubtless has dissected every possible small misstatement of fact that Walsh has made.)

Well, and alas! that continues to give the impression of Craft crying It really is all about me!  I don't see Walsh as offering to the world The Final Say;  so, sure, there should be additions and amplifications (so I see Craft's pointing out that Michael Tilson Thomas would be a good resource in the light, not of damning Walsh for "incompleteness," but as a suggestion for the next stage, whoever takes it).  Craft is at once moaning about Walsh supposedly focusing on 'discrediting' him, personally, and yet he offers the lacunae as (supposed) discreditation of Walsh.

I suppose Craft feels this is something he has got to do, but he manages to look poorly even in his protestation;  and, for the sake of his fine musical work, I hope he's stopped the shrieking.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 05:40:44 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:33:07 AM
After listening to the same 4-minute D minor work 4 times this morning (traffic was better than usual), I am certain that if the Tango ever appears on this thread again, I will not miss it.

It certainly is a tedious key, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 05:41:53 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 05:40:44 AM
It certainly is a tedious key, isn't it?

You think that's tedious, wait until the obligatory shift to the parallel major!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 29, 2008, 05:42:47 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 12:20:04 AM
And on that subject...

One of my previous score samples too (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79949.html#msg79949) (in the pre-Jezetha days IIRC). I see that in all hopefullness I put 'I suspect this is fairly well-known, so no clues yet' at the top of it, but IIRC it took quite a long time and a few clues before Larry identified it. So it seems it wasn't as well-known as I thought/hoped. Maybe I should upload that one too, then - it's such a fine work.

Yes do!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:46:35 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 05:40:44 AM
It certainly is a tedious key, isn't it?

Not as used in The Art of Fugue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 05:52:18 AM
(YHM Guido.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 05:53:26 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:46:35 AM
Not as used in The Art of Fugue.

[clutching at straws] Yes, but that's only because, played at a historically accurate pitch, a baroque D minor is closer to D flat minor  - and that's one of Janacek's favourite keys, of course. It all makes sense now, you see!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 29, 2008, 05:55:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 05:53:26 AM
[clutching at straws] Yes, but that's only because, played at a historically accurate pitch, a baroque D minor is closer to D flat minor  - and that's one of Janacek's favourite keys, of course. It all makes sense now, you see!

Clutching indeed. When A is regularly tuned to 465 50 years from now, will the AoF be in D# minor?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 05:58:03 AM
Here's hoping!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 05:59:42 AM
I'd suggest spelling it E-flat minor . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 06:01:20 AM
I vote F double flat minor. As an act of Dzorelashvilian homage.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 06:24:27 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 29, 2008, 05:42:47 AM
Yes do!

OK - knock yourself out!

Suk - Pohadka leta (A Summer's Tale)

1 - Voices of Life and Consolation (http://www.mediafire.com/?qttzzm9zovy)
2 - Noon (http://www.mediafire.com/?bxe7qxz091f)
3 - Intermezzo - Blind Musicians  (http://www.mediafire.com/?2dzmsqddmcg)(a haunting interlude scored for a unique chamber grouping - two harps, two cors anglais, solo violin, solo cello (full violins join in last bars) - this is the one in my previous score sample)
4 - In the Power of Phantoms (http://www.mediafire.com/?evz8ditnzsk)
5 - Night (http://www.mediafire.com/?ydtwtzxdj5j)

So much better than other composers often seen in a similar bracket (pantheistically-inclined late Romantic gargantuanism or some such). I'm thinking of figures like Marx, whose comparable works (e.g the Natur-Trilogie) are eminently forgetable IMO when set alongside Suk's spiritually charged, potent music. Though maybe it's time to listen to the Marx again...

(boy oh boy - I'm listening again as they upload. Suk is just such a powerful composer! Such a unique harmonic style, too - and in this piece, especially, such wonderful orchestration)

I'll take these down tomorrow, I think - the other Suk too. So those of you who've been foolish enough to download the first of the 'Mother' pieces and not bother with the rest, you'd better hurry to rectify your mistake!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 06:30:56 AM
I listened to this piece earlier today - yes, very strong! Which performance is this? I have Mackerras, on Decca.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 06:32:12 AM
Pesek, Virgin
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 06:33:28 AM
Okay - well, a second interpretation is always welcome... Shall I upload mine later today, just for the sake of comparison?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 06:36:56 AM
Yes, please! I've always wanted to hear the Mackerras reading!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 06:39:45 AM
Consider it done.

But now I have other business to attend to. See you all!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 29, 2008, 06:59:25 AM
What a piece!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 07:08:35 AM
 :) Glad you like it! Though the other post-Asrael orchestral pieces are all this good, this is my favourite - it is more rounded and full of variety; whilst never letting up on the exalted tone it opens with, it is still able to let the sun into its mysterious world.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 29, 2008, 07:08:58 AM
While we're having fun uploading stuff, I thought I'd upload two tracks from the American Beauty Soundtrack. Listening back to them the first actually isn't the exact score that I posted... Might have to poke around to find it.

The second is so simple, yet still incredibly affecting and effective - the 'actual music' starts at 33 seconds in.

Main Theme: http://www.mediafire.com/?hmxw5jdvvwn
'Mental boy': http://www.mediafire.com/?clmdzixn2oy
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 29, 2008, 07:22:47 AM
It's my birthday today so I'm going to break the rules, and post a sound file and see if you can guess who it's by. This is difficult!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 07:29:53 AM
Happy birthday, Guido!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 07:32:30 AM
Knowing you, I reckon it's Barber's Happy Birthday.

(or Prelude on Happy Birthday To You)  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 29, 2008, 07:36:38 AM
Yes, the only happy birthday tune I have in my CD collection I think. I have Washington's Birthday (with it's brilliant Jew harps!) but that predated the composition of "Happy Birthday".

Oh and cheers!

(it's referred to as both of those names depending on where you read it).

EDIT: just discovered that Albeniz, Korngold, Xenakis, JF Kennedy, Noel Gallager were all born on the 29th May, Suk, Rochberg and Balakriev died, Ives completed his first Symphony, and apparently Everest was conquered for the first time by Hillary and Tenzing. Wikipedia is a wonderful thing!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 07:39:10 AM
Read it? Read it?  :o  I knew it straightaway, of course....  0:) 0:)


(though Guild's website helped me a little  ;D ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 08:49:14 AM
Many happy returns, Guido! (A Gemini like myself - June 13)

Here is Summer Tale, with Sir Charles Mackerras and the CPO:

http://rapidshare.com/files/118614422/1._Summer_Tale_-_Voices_of_life_and_consolation_.mp3

http://rapidshare.com/files/118614425/2._Summer_Tale_-_Noon.mp3

http://rapidshare.com/files/118614427/3._Summer_Tale_-_Intermezzo_-_Blind_musicians.mp3

http://rapidshare.com/files/118614428/4._Summer_Tale_-_In_the_power_of_phantoms.mp3

http://rapidshare.com/files/118614431/5._Summer_Tale_-_Night.mp3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 09:20:39 AM
Lovely! Thanks for that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 09:26:43 AM
Just sneaked a listen to the first couple of minutes. Sounds really special - I will save the treat up for tonight, when everyone's gone to bed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 29, 2008, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 09:20:39 AM
Lovely! Thanks for that!

The gratitude is mutual. Now downloading...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 09:32:13 AM
Until a few minutes ago I assumed that my Pesek recording was about as good as can be, but listening to the first moments of your Mackerras version leads me to think I'm going to hear something even finer later on!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on May 29, 2008, 10:04:24 AM
Thank you, Johan!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 29, 2008, 12:18:29 PM
Here's a little oddity that shouldn't be too tough, despite its weirdness. I recieved this score off someone on GMG so may have sent one of you it already...

I must be going... revision to do!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 12:46:26 PM
Well, it's pretty clear what that is - just a matter of finding who is responsible!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 01:44:48 PM
Right, well, it's obviously a solo violin arrangement of Rachmaninov's op 3/2 Prelude in C sharp minor. I think it's by someone with the surname Reed - en educated guess would be that this might be WH Reed, Elgar's friend, also a violinist and composer - the dates wouldn't be a problem either. But 'Reed' anyway, even if not this one!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on May 29, 2008, 03:28:47 PM
Yes! Where did you find a reference to it? I wish some one would record it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on May 29, 2008, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 03:12:19 AM
Guess one of the others!

(263) - The Toccata-Troncata?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 29, 2008, 11:43:55 PM
That's right!

(Don't know if anyone noticed, but I assumed Symphonien would get the correct answer, so I'd already updated the list yesterday!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 30, 2008, 12:09:29 AM
Quote from: Guido on May 29, 2008, 03:28:47 PM
Yes! Where did you find a reference to it? I wish some one would record it!

Advanced Googling (took some time because if you type most combinations of Rachmaninov, solo violin, arrangement, prelude into Google you get references to his arrangements of Bach, or simply long lists of CDs at various Amazonesque sites). Found a couple of references to the piece on violin forums, but only one to mention the name of the arranger. Adding the 'WH' was educated guesswork.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 30, 2008, 12:16:07 AM
Lots completed recently, and a few new ones too - TTT

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - Fabric - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Emsley - For Guitar 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Brant - Four Traumatics - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - Foulds - Essays in the Modes - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - Blacher - Preludes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - ? - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - Gurdjieff - something-or-other-I'll-find-out-later - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - Bryars - Mr Sunshine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - Britten - Cadenza for Mozart K482 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - Nancarrow - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - Elgar - Carillon - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - Scriabin - Fantasy for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
257 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282)
258 - Handel - Guilio Cesare - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
259 - Gliere - Concerto for Coloratura Soprano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
260 - Gorecki - 5 pieces for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
261 - Stravinsky - Tango - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
262 - Webern - Movement (or Sonata) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
263 - Gubaidulina - Toccata Troncata - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
264 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
265 - Eötvös - Replica - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
266 - Lekeu - Piano Sonata - Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
267 - Markevitch - Variations on a Theme by Handel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
268 - Lachenmann - Five Variations on a Theme of Schubert - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
269/269b - Suk - O Mamince - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185065.html#msg185065)
270 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Piano Concerto - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
271 - Schreker - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
272 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188109.html#msg188109)
273 - Brian - John Dowland's Fancy - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188112.html#msg188112)
274 - Brahms - Schumann Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
275 - Brahms - Variations/original theme - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
276 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
277 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)




Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)
29 - Vaughan Williams - Romance - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183089.html#msg183089)
30a-c - Ives - Skethces for Universe Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183247.html#msg183247)
31 - Korngold - Romance-Impromptu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183257.html#msg183257)
32 - Ives - Some Southpaw Pitching - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
33 - Honegger - Cello concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
34 - Ysaye - Solo Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
35 - Klengel - Hymnus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
36 - Piazzolla - Cuatro Estaciones porteña - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
37 - T. Newman - score to American Beauty - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
38 - Janacek - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
39 - Ravel - Concerto for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
40 - Bartok - Solo Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
41 - Rachmaninov arr. Reed - C# minor Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188644.html#msg188644)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 -  Flothuis - Symphonic Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - von Einem - Philadelphia Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - Schmidt - The Fantasticks - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
33 - Wagner - Die Meistersinger.. - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182476.html#msg182476)
34 - Wagner - Das Rheingold - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182515.html#msg182515)
35 - Alkan - Allegro Barbaro (no 5, Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
36 - Massenet - Don Quichotte - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
37 - Schumann - Genoveva - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
38 - Meyerbeer - Les Huguenots - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg186362.html#msg186362)
39 - Bolling - Picnic Suite - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
40 - Byrd - Great Service - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
42 - Boulez - First Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
43 - Handel - Saul - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
44 - Glanville Hicks - The Transposed Heads - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
45 - Barraque - Piano Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
46 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
47 - Liszt - Hungarian Folksong - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
48 - Clementi - Sonata op 40/2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)


Set by Chrone
1 - Gibbons - Cries of London - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184858.html#msg184858)
2 - Billings - Jargon - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184868.html#msg184868)
3 - Joplin - Treemonisha - (Mark) (//http://)

Set by Karl
1 - Henning - Wedding Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188451.html#msg188451)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 30, 2008, 04:45:14 AM
Keeping things moving, here are four easy ones, with a simple link of the sort Maciek used to do ('used to' - I hate that! we need The Pole back here more often!)

LO 274, 275, 276, 277
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 30, 2008, 05:24:40 AM
274 is var 10 from the Brahms Variations on a Schumann theme, op. 9.

275 is also Brahms, var 7 from the Variations on an Original Theme, op. 21/1.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on May 30, 2008, 05:42:32 AM
Indeed - my two favourite Brahms Variation sets, preferring, as I do, the intimate, lyrical and fantastical Brahms to the architectonic feats of the Handel set or the pyrotechnics of the Paganini variations. It is obvious why these two sets, both more private and less grand in manner than their more famous, later counterparts, should be comparatively little known, but it's a sad state of affairs as they both contain some of Brahms's most gorgeous music.

The variation I gave from the Schumann set shows off Brahms's contrapuntal ingenuity - note how the bass line is the inversion of the melodic line, and also, a few bars later, how that bass, transferred into an inner voice, becomes the beginning of an inverted canon with the melodic line. The variation from the op 21/1 set is a simple two part distillation of the theme - and at the same time reveals how close the contrapuntal leanings of Brahms could bring him, even early on, to Webernian textures.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:53:50 AM
A scanning-session this morning, to re-inject life here (I hope):

LO 278 - a piece by the composer referred to in the title of 272 (I hope you'd got that far). The piece you see here is in the same vein as the piece hinted at in 272, though it isn't the same piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:54:56 AM
LO 279

by the same composer as 278. There are quotations from a very famous piece here, clear as day.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:56:20 AM
LO 280

One of the greatest pieces of music in the world (IMO, but I'm right)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:57:18 AM
LO 281

Really easy, and I'm not just saying that only to infuriate you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:58:33 AM
LO 282

A much maligned piece. Sorry that half the scan is blurry, but you get the gist; nothing is missing that would have been much more of a clue
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:59:25 AM
LO 283
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 03:01:03 AM
LO 284

(c.w. 283 and, for a different reason, 271) This is the very end of this piece, and there is a quasi-quotation here which pays homage to the very end of the first piece written in this form.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 03:02:28 AM
Last new one - LO 285

shares a very precise literary link with one of my much earlier scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 03:06:34 AM
Didn't mean to quote this, only to modify it, but never mind....

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - Fabric - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - Lipatti - Sonatina (left hand) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Emsley - For Guitar 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Brant - Four Traumatics - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - Foulds - Essays in the Modes - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - Blacher - Preludes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - Piano - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - Gurdjieff - something-or-other-I'll-find-out-later - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - Ogdon - Sonatina - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - Scelsi - Bot-Ba SUite - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - Bryars - Mr Sunshine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - Britten - Cadenza for Mozart K482 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - Nancarrow - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - Kagel - Rrrrrrr (organ set) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - Elgar - Carillon - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - Scriabin - Fantasy for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
257 - Alkan - Trois Etudes De Bravoure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282)
258 - Handel - Guilio Cesare - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
259 - Gliere - Concerto for Coloratura Soprano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
260 - Gorecki - 5 pieces for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
261 - Stravinsky - Tango - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
262 - Webern - Movement (or Sonata) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
263 - Gubaidulina - Toccata Troncata - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
264 - Haba - Fantasie no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
265 - Eötvös - Replica - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
266 - Lekeu - Piano Sonata - Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
267 - Markevitch - Variations on a Theme by Handel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
268 - Lachenmann - Five Variations on a Theme of Schubert - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
269/269b - Suk - O Mamince - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185065.html#msg185065)
270 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Piano Concerto - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
271 - Schreker - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
272 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188109.html#msg188109)
273 - Brian - John Dowland's Fancy - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188112.html#msg188112)
274 - Brahms - Schumann Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
275 - Brahms - Variations/original theme - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
276 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
277 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
278 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189512.html#msg189512)
279 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189513.html#msg189513)
280 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189515.html#msg189515)
281 - Shostakovich - String Quartet no 8 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189516.html#msg189516)
282 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189517.html#msg189517)
283 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189518.html#msg189518)
284 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189519.html#msg189519)
285 - Tchaikovsky - Francesca da Rimini - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189520.html#msg189520)
286 - Shostakovich - Fifth Symphony (manuscript) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189581.html#msg189581)
287 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190224.html#msg190224)
288 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190226.html#msg190226)
289 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190227.html#msg190227)
290 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190228.html#msg190228)


Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)
29 - Vaughan Williams - Romance - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183089.html#msg183089)
30a-c - Ives - Skethces for Universe Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183247.html#msg183247)
31 - Korngold - Romance-Impromptu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183257.html#msg183257)
32 - Ives - Some Southpaw Pitching - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
33 - Honegger - Cello concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
34 - Ysaye - Solo Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
35 - Klengel - Hymnus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
36 - Piazzolla - Cuatro Estaciones porteña - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
37 - T. Newman - score to American Beauty - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
38 - Janacek - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
39 - Ravel - Concerto for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
40 - Bartok - Solo Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
41 - Rachmaninov arr. Reed - C# minor Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188644.html#msg188644)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 -  Flothuis - Symphonic Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - von Einem - Philadelphia Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - Schmidt - The Fantasticks - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
33 - Wagner - Die Meistersinger.. - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182476.html#msg182476)
34 - Wagner - Das Rheingold - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182515.html#msg182515)
35 - Alkan - Allegro Barbaro (no 5, Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
36 - Massenet - Don Quichotte - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
37 - Schumann - Genoveva - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
38 - Meyerbeer - Les Huguenots - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg186362.html#msg186362)
39 - Bolling - Picnic Suite - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
40 - Byrd - Great Service - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
42 - Boulez - First Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
43 - Handel - Saul - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
44 - Glanville Hicks - The Transposed Heads - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
45 - Barraque - Piano Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
46 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
47 - Liszt - Hungarian Folksong - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
48 - Clementi - Sonata op 40/2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)


Set by Chrone
1 - Gibbons - Cries of London - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184858.html#msg184858)
2 - Billings - Jargon - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184868.html#msg184868)
3 - Joplin - Treemonisha - (Mark) (//http://)

Set by Karl
1 - Henning - Wedding Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188451.html#msg188451)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 01, 2008, 05:16:18 AM
281- DSCH's 8th String Quartet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 05:34:22 AM
Naturally! There couldn't be a more obvious page of Shostakovich, could there - peppered with DSCHes and with one of his most famous tunes thrown in too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 05:35:41 AM
I should emphasize that all of that last set are by very well-known composers, as indeed are the two remaining from a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 08:08:21 AM
Here's another one I rediscovered whilst score-reading today...

LO 286
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 01, 2008, 09:27:32 AM
LO 285 is Tchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini. The clarinet solo gave it away.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 01, 2008, 09:28:52 AM
LO 286 is the slow movement of Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony, in his own hand.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 09:53:27 AM
Correct on both, Mark. To clarify my clue, the Tchaikovsky - such a great tune, one of his finest, and so typical in scoring! - shares a Francesca da Rimini theme with my example from the central portion of the first movement of Liszt Dante Symphony, way back on my no 19.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 01, 2008, 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:57:18 AM
LO 281

Really easy, and I'm not just saying that only to infuriate you.

Shostakovich Opus 110

(Good to see that Greg got there first!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 11:28:08 AM
Ha! You expect me to believe that you knew that one? Pull the other one!  >:D >:D




(just kidding, of course  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 01, 2008, 12:23:40 PM
Goodness where do you guys get all these scores?! Some of these must be terribly difficult to find.

I am hopeless at this game as I am not familiar with a lot of the works that are posted...and also by the time I get around to checking most of these have already been snapped up!

But I have a few things laying around, maybe I will try to set some for fun soon..  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: Greta on June 01, 2008, 12:23:40 PM
Goodness where do you guys get all these scores?! Some of these must be terribly difficult to find.

A lifetime of searching! I have plenty more ready to go, but I'm holding off from inflicting them just yet. My 7 year old daughter just saw me looking at this thread and got all excited by the whole process of choosing, scanning, uploading, guessing - she trooped me into the music room and ordered me to make scans of various scores for your delectation, and I had to persuade her that I shouldn't put them up just yet. But they're sitting there, scanned in and waiting...  ;D

Quote from: Greta on June 01, 2008, 12:23:40 PMI am hopeless at this game as I am not familiar with a lot of the works that are posted...and also by the time I get around to checking most of these have already been snapped up!

Actually, Greta, based on posts of yours I've read in the past, I would not be in the least surprised if you knew some of my last set at the very least.

Quote from: Greta on June 01, 2008, 12:23:40 PMBut I have a few things laying around, maybe I will try to set some for fun soon..  ;)

Yes, please do! The more the better (and I have none to guess at at the moment)  :) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on June 01, 2008, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 02:54:56 AM
LO 279

by the same composer as 278. There are quotations from a very famous piece here, clear as day.

Schostakovich 15?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
I thought someone might say that, especially if I pushed attention towards the William Tell quotation in the brass >:D  No, it isn't that, though a composer of the same generation and of a similar sometimes parodistic bent, as is the case here. There's another feature of the music, a few staves up, which (especially in conjunction with the William Tell idea that you spotted) gives more of a clue as to precisely where the composer is aiming his arrow.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on June 01, 2008, 01:16:54 PM
It's been a long time since I heard Schostakovich 15 and I only vaguely remembered that it as some quotes from Tell. I looked at the score again but if it's not that piece, I don't know what it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 01, 2008, 01:31:26 PM
No, you are correct, the Shostakovich 15 does quote the Rossini, among other things; but this work is a different piece entirely.

The piece this comes from started out as a rather arch work for a small chamber grouping plus vocals (making a slightly sarcastic reference to Pierrot Lunaire as it does so). It was very much a work of its time, and shocking in its own way, a suits the character of its composer, who was still very young when he wrote it. Later, an established figure, he made a series of rather more 'ordinary' arrangements from the original work, shedding the vocals and rescoring for full orchestra. That's the score from which my sample comes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 12:22:21 PM
OK, you've had long enough  ;D ;) >:D  I'm going to reveal the answers to my remaining ones up to and including no 264. Here they are, alongside the clues:

219 - ? - (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892) - you know it's by a great pianist who was the protege of a great violinist-composer. I may not have mentioned this before, but it also shares a characteristic with a score of Bartok than Guido tested us with a week or two back.. NEW CLUES - the violinist-composer was also this composer's godfather; this composer died young, of Hodgkin's disease; he was taught by Nadia Boulanger, Charles Munch and Dukas. And - to emphasize - he's very famous (as a pianist). What more do you need?

ANSWER - Lipatti, of course; his Sonatina for the Left Hand

232 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) - you know the composer (Feldman). And also that it's a  piano solo. And that, strangely enough,  it isn't one of those listed by Sforzando, which were:

Two Intermissions
Intermission 5
Intermission 6
Piano Piece 1952
Extensions 3
Three Pieces For Piano
Piano Piece 1955
Piano Piece 1956 A
Piano Piece 1956 B
Last Piece
Vertical Thoughts 4
Piano Piece (To Philip Guston)
Piano Piece (1964)
Nature Pieces For Piano
Variations
Intermission 3
Intermission 4
Intersection 2
Intersection 3
Intermission 6

but that this list contains the title of this piece several times over.

THE ANSWER being, simply, Piano. It dates from the early 80s

234 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978) As stated earlier, the composer was much better known as a prodigiously gifted, prematurely deceased pianist with an impressive repertoire ranging from the classics to Boulez and Sorabji. As revealed above, either this one or no 219 is by John Ogdon. NEW CLUE and as should be obvious from the new clues to 219, that one isn't by Ogdon....   ::)

SO THIS ONE IS - his Sonatina

238 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)  Not a composer associated with the piano, which instrument isn't very well suited to the technical concerns he developed later in life. This piece, slightly earlier, isn't quite there yet. It refers to the music and culture of an Asian country often bypassed by western composers looking for an Eastern fix. That country is Tibet; this composer visited Tibet and Nepal, I believe, and was greatly influenced by Hinduism and Buddhism. There have only been one or two composers directly influenced by Tibet, and this piece is this composer's most obviously Tibetan work. And it's not Glass; nor is it one of my favourites, Jonathan Harvey. NEW CLUE - surprised you need it. This composer is better-known as one of the finalists in the Champion's League this season.  ;D

ANSWER - That's right, Scelsi lost the Champion's League final on penalities this year. This is his Bot-Ba Suite, Bot-Ba being the Tibetan name for.....Tibet.


245 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343) The one with the repeated letter (R ) beginning each constituent title, and whose collective title reflects this. Shall I spell it out for you? R, then R, then R, then R......  ::) ::) ::)

SPELLS RRRRRR - by Kagel. Your collective spelling is atrocious... ;D

257 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282) The one by the composer who is obvious from the context of the discussion, which is an earlier work than his more famous pieces in the genre, but equally inventive and ground-breaking. NEW CLUES The composer, obviously, is Alkan - I hope you all got that far, though no one said so. It's hard to do more than emphasize that this is a (relatively) early piece in a genre in which he later wrote his greatest masterpieces

ANSWER - Alkan, Trois Etudes de Bravoure, op 16 (no 2 - an incredible effect here - I may have to post a sample)

264 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927) Look in detail at the score; the composer is possibly the best-known of the early experimenters with this sort of thing. NEW CLUE Well, honestly, has anyone looked? 'This sort of thing' = micro tonality.  ::)

ANSWER - Haba, Fantasie no 2


Clues to my newer ones later...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
Hi Guido! How are the exams going? Or have you finished now?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 02, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
Hi Luke... Exams still not finished. 4 down, 6 to go. I have 1 tomorrow which I should be revising for, 1 on Wednesday, 2 on Friday and 2 on Saturday, then all finished for the summer!

I'm glad that I didn't know any of the pieces you revealed. I've never even heard of Haba or Lipatti, and have never heard a piece by Alkan...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Guido on June 02, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
Hi Luke... Exams still not finished. 4 down, 6 to go. I have 1 tomorrow which I should be revising for, 1 on Wednesday, 2 on Friday and 2 on Saturday, then all finished for the summer!

I'm glad that I didn't know any of the pieces you revealed. I've never even heard of Haba or Lipatti, and have never heard a piece by Alkan...

Not knowing Haba and Lipatti:  :o :o

Never having heard a piece by Alkan:  :o :o :o :o We shall have to do something about that.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 02, 2008, 12:43:02 PM
Thanks, Luke. Apart from Ogdon, and perhaps Alkan (if I had looked and thought some more), I wouldn't have known the answers to the other ones. Well, Lipatti, too, perhaps...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 12:45:16 PM
What about the Lipatti? - the clues point strongly to him (particularly via Enescu); and the left-hand nature of the score makes it the only possibility from his works.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 02, 2008, 12:49:14 PM
Is the Lipatti actually no.218? The link says 219 which is the Messiaen unless I am very much mistaken.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 12:55:08 PM
There was some confusion there - I got something mixed up, either the numbering of the files or the numbering on the list. But I think my links take you to the right files, anyway. I've changed the filenames on my PC so that they make sense - what is 219 here is definitely the Lipatti; the Messiaen is 220.

At some point I will update the old PDF file I made with the first 300 odd scores on it with all the more recent ones - did you know we've had 594 now! At which point I'll try to make the numbering make some kind of final sense!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 02, 2008, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 12:22:21 PM

ANSWER - Lipatti, of course; his Sonatina for the Left Hand
i looooooooooove how you word that  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 01:21:34 PM
The 'of course' is meant in the context of my clues. Of course.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 01:26:04 PM
Anyway, guys, let's focus! My new ones remain, starting at no 276, of which all are by very famous composers, and of which only a couple are 'little-known' pieces.

The other remaining on, no 272, is by a slightly less well-known name, but you all know of him, some of you very well indeed, and he's been on this thread before. And, of course, 272's title includes the name of the composer of 278 and 279.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 01:27:17 PM
We still need the title for the Schreker piece, too - no 271. I didn't reveal it because it is linked to the title of one of the other pieces, as my earlier clues suggest.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 02, 2008, 01:55:33 PM
Looking at #279, I seem to see/hear a quotation of Rossini (William Tell)...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on June 02, 2008, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 02, 2008, 01:55:33 PM
Looking at #279, I seem to see/hear a quotation of Rossini (William Tell)...

Actually 2 William Tell quotes simultaneously: the ranz des vaches (flute and cor anglais duet in the original, flute and oboe here) and the final "Lone Ranger" bit (in the brass).

So I'll go with Schickele. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 02, 2008, 10:58:53 PM
You're all latching on to the big clues - but perhaps you didn't see my last post on this piece (previous page) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189675.html#msg189675). M guessed at Shostakovich 15, sensibly (as that piece quotes William Tell too), and in the process of saying 'no' I gave some other clues...

The composer is very well known - and getting him will help with 278 and 272 also, of course. You all know his name and probably many of his pieces; however, of those who hang around this thread I associate him most with Guido; Johan also, perhaps, given his listening tendencies.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 02, 2008, 11:07:41 PM
Exams....glad I've finished mine, for now! Hence playing around on GMG...

Luke - You would be surprised at my lack of knowledge in the mid-century, I can say I'm not familiar with Kagel, Alban, Haba, or even much Feldman. I would like to be! But so much music and so little time....

And your 7-year-old sounds like my kinda girl, quite precocious! You will have to post "her" set sometime soon!  ;D

I am preparing some as I write...will post tomorrow.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 12:36:59 AM
Quote from: Greta on June 02, 2008, 11:07:41 PM
Exams....glad I've finished mine, for now! Hence playing around on GMG...

It all seems quite long ago for me now, but I only sat my last university exam 11 years ago. I just returned from walking my children to school, and I was thinking about poor Guido as I plodded through the puddles - he's at the same university I attended so I can picture fairly precisely what he's going through.

Quote from: Greta on June 02, 2008, 11:07:41 PMLuke - You would be surprised at my lack of knowledge in the mid-century, I can say I'm not familiar with Kagel, Alban, Haba, or even much Feldman. I would like to be! But so much music and so little time....

Very true! - but for 'Alban' read Alkan, and he's not 20th century - he's the third member of the triumvirate of great pianist-composers born in the early 19th century, along with Liszt and Chopin, and he complements those two geniuses very well. He was the only pianist Liszt was scared to play in front of, I believe. He has a remorseless, hyper-virtuosic style all his own, a bizarre mix of classicism (in matters of proportion, tempo etc) with the most extraordinary flights of Romantic fancy (as in my no 257 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282) and by the title of Sforzando's no 35 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174), an Allegro Barbaro which predates Bartok's by at least half a century). His music shows a very sophisticated understanding of the implications of virtuosity upon form, texture and so on. In fact, it's extremely prescient in that sense: Alkan at his best doesn't use virtuosity for its own sake (or not only that, at any rate) but as a musical parameter in its own right. He's pretty much unique in his time for this, and this attitude to technical difficulty not as something 'outside' the notes which the performer has to deal with but instead as a component equal to harmony, counterpoint etc with which the composer balances his music) inescapably calls to mind the concerns of composers like Ferneyhough, believe it or not! (Chopin occasionally does something similar, e.g in some of the etudes where there is an equation between harmonic complexity/tension and difficulty for the performer; but the audience may not be aware of this, however). Alkan seems to be aware, IOW, that the struggle a performer has to get around the notes is itself a part of the music, that an audience is attentive to its ebb and flow just as they are to the rest of the various more obviously musical aspects of the piece. That's my theory, anyway!  ;D

Alkan's famous Concerto - for solo piano, i.e. no orchestra, which is made up of three of the etudes from his set in all the minor keys which also includes a four movement Symphony - has been called 'the greatest piece in sonata form between Beethoven and Brahms' and I go along with that entirely. The more one studies it, the more impressive it becomes, for its integration of virtuosity into formal matters, as I said, but for all sorts of other things too. A page from its first movement cadenza was an earlier score sample of mine, no 69. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90668.html#msg90668) What is amazing here is that for what is traditionally the area in a Concerto in which a soloist can indulge in the splashiest, most extravertly impressive virtuosity, Alkan has the insight to thin things right down to a single line of repeated notes - we've heard enough banging and crashing already, especially in the passages where the piano emulates the orchestral tutti. And yet at the same time this passage is perhaps the hardest, most risky thing in this incredibly hard work, fully fitting for a cadenza - ultra fast repeated notes with any mistakes cruelly exposed: Alkan judges degrees of virtuosity perfectly to climax at this point. The cadenza also functions as a kind of eye-of-the-needle - a place where everything is literally squashed into a narrow space, which somehow acts as a kind of catalyst, making the return of the 'orchestra' on the 'other side' all the more effective. The whole piece is an absolute must-hear, one of the very finest works for solo piano in the romantic repertoire, certainly one of the most original. Alkan emphasizes the very extremity of this piece by writing its first movement in an exceedingly odd and extreme choice of key, G# minor. It is also, therefore, by default, one of the very greatest pieces in that key too  ;D

Quote from: Greta on June 02, 2008, 11:07:41 PM
And your 7-year-old sounds like my kinda girl, quite precocious! You will have to post "her" set sometime soon!  ;D

She's certainly a bit special, though I would say that - a reading age of 14+ by the time she was 5 or 6. Her musical interests are just starting to take off - she's still at a very basic level, but she's really trying to write things down properly. I put her earliest effort up on my own composer's thread (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,44.msg159135.html#msg159135) if you want to see it!  0:)

Quote from: Greta on June 02, 2008, 11:07:41 PM
I am preparing some as I write...will post tomorrow.

Great, Greta (cool, an anagram! 8) ) - will look forward to seeing them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 12:39:47 AM
Many many free Alkan scores (though not the Concerto, or not last time I trawled this site, a couple of years ago), for those who want them. (http://alkan.assos.free.fr/alkan/04_partitions_en.html)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 03:47:04 AM
I see Mark's looking at this thread - Mark, I'm sure you know the William Tell-quoting piece too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 03:50:04 AM
Quote from: Greta on June 02, 2008, 11:07:41 PM
And your 7-year-old sounds like my kinda girl, quite precocious! You will have to post "her" set sometime soon!  ;D

Yes, I suppose I should - especially as I gave so many answers yesterday. She chose the last three of these four scores, based on the spines of the scores catching her eye more than anything. However, she chose well, I think....

LO 287
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 03:50:51 AM
LO 288
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 03:52:21 AM
LO 289

This one is really hard, I think - it's never been recorded AFAIK (and I've looked countless times!) - so I've left in as many verbal clues as I could. Which may end up making it too easy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 03:53:52 AM
LO 290

This one will be easier, though, I suspect, for some of this thread's inhabitants. Where's Sforzando, btw? All tango-ed out?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 03, 2008, 05:26:11 AM
Is 272 from one of Howell's Clavichord pieces...? I can't check because Amazon isn't working for me at the moment, and I still haven't heard those pieces (well I did once on the radio, but it was ages ago). A complete shot in the dark because you said it was dedicated to someone, who is the composer of 278 and 279, and mentined me in conjunction with the composer. Apparently three of Lambert's clavichord pieces were arranged for cello and piano which I never knew about, and it explains what Amaryllis Flemming was playing in the '40s as she mentioned some pieces by Howell's but I didn't think it would be the wonderful Fantasia or Threnody as neither of these were published (or premiered) until the 80s. That Alkan sounds great - you really have a knack for making all composers sound endlessly fascinating and exciting! I'll add it to the now terrifying Amazon shopping basket list... I've promised myself that I won't buy anything else until I've listened to everything in collection. I've bought 2 and half feet worth of CDs this term... that's in about 5 weeks... mental.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: Guido on June 03, 2008, 05:26:11 AM
Is 272 from one of Howell's Clavichord pieces...? I can't check because Amazon isn't working for me at the moment, and I still haven't heard those pieces (well I did once on the radio, but it was ages ago). A complete shot in the dark because you said it was dedicated to someone, who is the composer of 278 and 279, and mentined me in conjunction with the composer. Apparently three of Lambert's clavichord pieces were arranged for cello and piano which I never knew about, and it explains what Amaryllis Flemming was playing in the '40s as she mentioned some pieces by Howell's but I didn't think it would be the wonderful Fantasia or Threnody as neither of these were published (or premiered) until the 80s.

You're good!! Yes, it is one of the Howells clavichord pieces. Those pieces, though, are equally for piano, especially those in the second book, Howells' Clavichord, which are generally fuller-textured and require more sustaining capability. This one certainly works better on that instrument; clavichord is so far away from the style of the piece referred to here that its use here would be completely incongruous! On my clavichord recording of the two books, this is one of the ones omitted.

And I may as well say, then, that as all the Howells clavichord pieces in his two sets - Lambert's Clavichord and Howells' Clavichord - are given Fitzwilliam Virginal Book-style titles referring to English musicians (Ralph's Galliard; Berkeley's Hunt; Dyson's Delight; Boult's Brangill; Rubbra's Soliloquy and dozens of others) you can safely assume that the composer referred to in the title of 272, who is also the composer of 278 and 279, is English. And more famous than Howells.

Quote from: Guido on June 03, 2008, 05:26:11 AM
That Alkan sounds great - you really have a knack for making all composers sound endlessly fascinating and exciting! I'll add it to the now terrifying Amazon shopping basket list... I've promised myself that I won't buy anything else until I've listened to everything in collection. I've bought 2 and half feet worth of CDs this term... that's in about 5 weeks... mental.

Check PMs in a minute or two...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 03, 2008, 05:46:28 AM
More famous than Howells and prone to quirky quotations and parodies... I'll go for Arnold... Haven't ever heard a piece of his apart from one movement of the solo cello piece which seems nice enough. He wrote an abortion of a cello concerto in the late 80s that Julian Lloyd Webber was too embarrassed to record. He had wanted to couple it with the Walton concerto (such a great piece!  >:D ;D) as the two had been good friends but once he played it through he realised that he couldn't. Oops, it might not be Arnold! (Arnold's Antic from Howells' Clavichord is my guess)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 05:52:27 AM
Quote from: Guido on June 03, 2008, 05:46:28 AM
More famous than Howells and prone to quirky quotations and parodies... I'll go for Arnold... Haven't ever heard a piece of his apart from one movement of the solo cello piece which seems nice enough. He wrote an abortion of a cello concerto in the late 80s that Julian Lloyd Webber was too embarrassed to record. He had wanted to couple it with the Walton concerto (such a great piece!  >:D ;D) as the two had been good friends but once he played it through he realised that he couldn't. Oops, it might not be Arnold! (Arnold's Antic from Howells' Clavichord is my guess)

No, but by 'eck you were close there....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 03, 2008, 05:56:58 AM
Does Malcom's vision correspond to the same composer?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 05:58:29 AM
No, that's George Malcolm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Malcolm_(musician)), IIRC
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 03, 2008, 05:59:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 05:52:27 AM
No, but by 'eck you were close there....

Is the enfant terrible you are referring to - Walton? Walton's Toye the piece by Howells? And the instrumental version of that original piece - Façade? Don't ask for numbers, I just got inspired...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
Let the muse strike, Johan - you're spot on!

Walton's Toye is, in places, a sort of paraphrase of Crown Imperial - which is why the clavichord would be rather unsuitable. If you superimpose the slightly syncopated, repeated rhythms of the opening of Crown Imperial onto the Howells piece, you will see the connection.

And the William Tell one is from Façade, yes - the Swiss Jodelling Song from the 1st Suite Walton arranged for orchestra.

The remaining Walton shares a connection with Guido's no 37.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 03, 2008, 06:04:32 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 03:53:52 AM
LO 290

This one will be easier, though, I suspect, for some of this thread's inhabitants. Where's Sforzando, btw? All tango-ed out?



Both very busy at work and chagrined by all the ones he can't identify.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 03, 2008, 06:17:16 AM
Luke - I think I have it. You say there is a a connection between 'American beauty' and Walton. Well, the only 'tertium comparationis' I can come up with is - the Christopher Columbus Suite (never heard it, btw).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 03, 2008, 06:19:25 AM
Surely he just means it's film music.

I should probably be shot for saying this, but as a self professed Walton fan, I do not own a recording of the Facade Suites (although do have voice/piano versions of the songs). Embarassing!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 03, 2008, 06:22:00 AM
Quote from: Guido on June 03, 2008, 06:19:25 AM
Surely he just means it's film music.

Well, Walton wrote a lot of film music. I know all of his Shakespearean things, but not, for instance, the 'Battle of Britain' music. Perhap's it's that... I don't recognise the music.

Edit: It IS the 'Battle of Britain' music. I just checked the 'Spitfire Fugue'!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 06:30:06 AM
Indeed - a great piece, in its own way. Does exactly what it says on the tin - rousing, stately fanfares, a nobilmente-type tune that outdoes Elgar, a lyrical intermezzo, a busy fugue with obligatory climax when nobilmente tune and fugue subject are combined (my sample page) and a return of the rousing fanfares!

What ho, old bean - chocks away!  ;D

(http://www.lancasterdiary.net/images/assets/spitfire33.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 06:32:01 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 03, 2008, 06:04:32 AM
Both very busy at work and chagrined by all the ones he can't identify.

You know 290, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 03, 2008, 06:33:56 AM
Excellent! And now, after all these triumphs, I have to do the washing-up I left for today.  :'(

See you all later!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 03, 2008, 06:36:05 AM
Am I right in remembering that hardly any of Walton's music made it into that film? Or that only 10 minutes of music got composed?

Is the film music worth exploring? I love the violin pieces derived from Henry V, but didn't enjoy playing the orchestral suite from that so much. Which are the best Filmscores?

I see Chandos has a four part series, that may just need to get bought soon! Edit: just broke my own promise to myself... they were so cheap used and new I just had to get them! Oh dear, I'm actually an addict.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on June 03, 2008, 07:19:19 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 03:52:21 AM
LO 289

This one is really hard, I think - it's never been recorded AFAIK (and I've looked countless times!) - so I've left in as many verbal clues as I could. Which may end up making it too easy!

Indeed. "Pragensia" by Petr Eben.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 03, 2008, 07:31:34 AM
Quote from: Chrone on June 03, 2008, 07:19:19 AM
Indeed. "Pragensia" by Petr Eben.

Of course!!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 03, 2008, 07:32:22 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 06:32:01 AM
You know 290, I'm sure of it.

I hate when you say that, 'cause then when I can't identify it I feel more foolish.

But I'm going to guess it's one of Carter's vocal chamber works.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 03, 2008, 07:34:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 06:30:06 AM
What ho, old bean - chocks away!  ;D
(http://www.lancasterdiary.net/images/assets/spitfire33.jpg)

Jolly good! That'll teach Jerry!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 03, 2008, 08:00:45 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 03, 2008, 07:34:07 AM
Jolly good! That'll teach Jerry!

LOL!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 03, 2008, 08:21:44 AM
Top-hole. Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's-your-father; hairy blighter, dicky-birded, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harpers and caught his can in the Bertie.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Harry on June 03, 2008, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 03, 2008, 08:21:44 AM
Top-hole. Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's-your-father; hairy blighter, dicky-birded, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harpers and caught his can in the Bertie.

Where is my cultural encyclopedia for the explanation of difficult wording............. ??? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 03, 2008, 08:29:05 AM
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/rafbante.htm
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 03, 2008, 08:32:35 AM
Um...cabbage crates coming over the briny?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Harry on June 03, 2008, 08:39:40 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 03, 2008, 08:29:05 AM
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/rafbante.htm

Jolly good!
Thanks Johan, its clear now! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Harry on June 03, 2008, 08:42:09 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 03, 2008, 08:32:35 AM
Um...cabbage crates coming over the briny?

Bunch of Monkey's on your ceiling Sir!
Grab your egg and fours and let's get the bacon delivered!
;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 03, 2008, 08:42:48 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 03, 2008, 08:32:35 AM
Um...cabbage crates coming over the briny?

Now you're talking sense ('the briny' is poetic for 'the sea')!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 03, 2008, 08:44:15 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 03, 2008, 08:42:48 AM
Now you're talking sense ('the briny' is poetic for 'the sea')!

And is a pun on cabbage . . . that's probably the one banter-line in the sketch which I twigged  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 03, 2008, 09:56:17 AM
LO 288- Xenakis- Charisma
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 03, 2008, 08:21:44 AM
Top-hole. Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's-your-father; hairy blighter, dicky-birded, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harpers and caught his can in the Bertie.

Have any of you not privileged to live on this Septic Isle seen Armstrong and Miller's fabulous RAF pilot sketches?


http://www.youtube.com/v/lwNQf08Kxsw

Tons more on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwNQf08Kxsw)

Oh yeah - all guesses correct - Chrone's Eben one (obviously keeping all that text in did make it too easy!); Greg's Xenakis one; and Sforzando is bang on with his Carter vocal chamber guess.

I'll go and update the list now....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 11:56:16 AM
TTT

Old list:
part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128946.html#msg128946)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128948.html#msg128948)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128949.html#msg128949)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128950.html#msg128950)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128951.html#msg128951)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128955.html#msg128955)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128956.html#msg128956)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128957.html#msg128957)
173 - Wagner - Rheingold - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128958.html#msg128958)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128959.html#msg128959)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128960.html#msg128960)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128961.html#msg128961)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128963.html#msg128963)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128965.html#msg128965)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128966.html#msg128966)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128967.html#msg128967)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128968.html#msg128968)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128969.html#msg128969)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128970.html#msg128970)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128971.html#msg128971)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128973.html#msg128973)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg128974.html#msg128974)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129126.html#msg129126)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129128.html#msg129128)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129129.html#msg129129)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129131.html#msg129131)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129133.html#msg129133)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129134.html#msg129134)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129135.html#msg129135)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129136.html#msg129136)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129137.html#msg129137)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129138.html#msg129138)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129139.html#msg129139)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129182.html#msg129182)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129184.html#msg129184)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129185.html#msg129185)
202 - Humperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129186.html#msg129186)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160657.html#msg160657)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160659.html#msg160659)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174789.html#msg174789)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174790.html#msg174790)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
212 - Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174791.html#msg174791)
215 - Cowell - Fabric - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174865.html#msg174865)
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
217 - Xenakis - à r - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174890.html#msg174890)
219 - Lipatti - Sonatina (left hand) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
221 - Messiaen - Tombeau de Paul Dukas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174892.html#msg174892)
222 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
223 - Emsley - For Guitar 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
224 - Villa-Lobos - Amazonas - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174894.html#msg174894)
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174895.html#msg174895)
226 - Brant - Four Traumatics - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177857.html#msg177857)
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
228 - Foulds - Essays in the Modes - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
229 - Blacher - Preludes - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177977.html#msg177977)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
232 - Feldman - Piano - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
233 - Gurdjieff - something-or-other-I'll-find-out-later - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
234 - Ogdon - Sonatina - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177978.html#msg177978)
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
238 - Scelsi - Bot-Ba SUite - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177979.html#msg177979)
239 - Mosolov - Two Dances op 23b - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg177980.html#msg177980)
240 - Bryars - Mr Sunshine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
242 - Britten - Cadenza for Mozart K482 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
243 - Sciarrino - Anamorfosi - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178342.html#msg178342)
244 - Nancarrow - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
245 - Kagel - Rrrrrrr (organ set) - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
247 - Boulez - Notations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178343.html#msg178343)
248 - Ustvolskaya - Piano Sonata no 6 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
249 - Hamelin - Preambulum to an Imaginary Piano Symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178550.html#msg178550)
251 - Elgar - Carillon - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
252 - Ravel - Ronsard à son âme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
253 - Chopin (aged 7) - Polonaise - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
254 - Chopin reconstr. Kallberg - 'Trill' Prelude - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181205.html#msg181205)
255 - Scriabin - Fantasy for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
256 - Ravel - Noël des jouets - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181206.html#msg181206)
257 - Alkan - Trois Etudes De Bravoure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183282.html#msg183282)
258 - Handel - Guilio Cesare - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
259 - Gliere - Concerto for Coloratura Soprano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
260 - Gorecki - 5 pieces for 2 pianos - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184926.html#msg184926)
261 - Stravinsky - Tango - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
262 - Webern - Movement (or Sonata) - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
263 - Gubaidulina - Toccata Troncata - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
264 - Haba - Fantasie no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184927.html#msg184927)
265 - Eötvös - Replica - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
266 - Lekeu - Piano Sonata - Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185063.html#msg185063)
267 - Markevitch - Variations on a Theme by Handel - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
268 - Lachenmann - Five Variations on a Theme of Schubert - (Symphonien) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185064.html#msg185064)
269/269b - Suk - O Mamince - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185065.html#msg185065)
270 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Piano Concerto - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
271 - Schreker - Chamber Symphony (piano score) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
272 - Howells - Walton's Toye - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188109.html#msg188109)
273 - Brian - John Dowland's Fancy - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188112.html#msg188112)
274 - Brahms - Schumann Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
275 - Brahms - Variations/original theme - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
276 - Brahms - Gigue no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
277 - Brahms - Sarabande no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
278 - Walton - Spitfire Fugue - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189512.html#msg189512)
279 - Walton - Facade Suite 1 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189513.html#msg189513)
280 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189515.html#msg189515)
281 - Shostakovich - String Quartet no 8 - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189516.html#msg189516)
282 - Dvorak - Symphony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189517.html#msg189517)
283 - Adams - The Wound-Dresser - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189518.html#msg189518)
284 - Adams - Chamber Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189519.html#msg189519)
285 - Tchaikovsky - Francesca da Rimini - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189520.html#msg189520)
286 - Shostakovich - Fifth Symphony (manuscript) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189581.html#msg189581)
287 - Strauss - Aus Italien - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190224.html#msg190224)
288 - Xenakis - Charisma - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190226.html#msg190226)
289 - Eben - Pragensia - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190227.html#msg190227)
290 - Carter - A Mirror on Which to Dwell? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190228.html#msg190228)
291 - Part - Fratres - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192030.html#msg192030)
292 - Carter - Piano Sonata - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192030.html#msg192030)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg160611.html#msg160611)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174471.html#msg174471)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174472.html#msg174472)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174474.html#msg174474)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174475.html#msg174475)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174477.html#msg174477)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174479.html#msg174479)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174481.html#msg174481)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg174482.html#msg174482)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175082.html#msg175082)
22 - Ligeti - Hungarian Rock - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
23 - Bartok - Study for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
24 - Miaskovsky - Cello Sonata 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
25 - Schulhoff - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178895.html#msg178895)
26 - Webern - Piece for cello and piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
27 - Tchaikovsky - Rococo Variations - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178896.html#msg178896)
28 - Scarlatti - Sonata K175 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg179306.html#msg179306)
29 - Vaughan Williams - Romance - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183089.html#msg183089)
30a-c - Ives - Skethces for Universe Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183247.html#msg183247)
31 - Korngold - Romance-Impromptu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183257.html#msg183257)
32 - Ives - Some Southpaw Pitching - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
33 - Honegger - Cello concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
34 - Ysaye - Solo Cello Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183261.html#msg183261)
35 - Klengel - Hymnus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
36 - Piazzolla - Cuatro Estaciones porteña - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
37 - T. Newman - score to American Beauty - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
38 - Janacek - Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184869.html#msg184869)
39 - Ravel - Concerto for the Left Hand - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
40 - Bartok - Solo Violin Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184873.html#msg184873)
41 - Rachmaninov arr. Reed - C# minor Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188644.html#msg188644)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg175112.html#msg175112)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178093.html#msg178093)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg178094.html#msg178094)
9(a) - Beethoven - sketchbook for opp 130, 132 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
10 - Gluck - Le calme entre dans ma coeur (Iphigénie en Tauride) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
11 - Rameau - Les tendres plaintes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
12 - Roussel - Le festin de l'araignée - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180537.html#msg180537)
13 - Alfvén - First Swedish Rhapsody (Midsommarvaka) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
14 - Panufnik - Jagiellonian Triptych - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
15 - Respighi - Brazillian Impressions - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
16 - Beach - Gaelic Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180542.html#msg180542)
17 - Hoffmann - Piece for Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
18 -  Flothuis - Symphonic Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
19 - von Einem - Philadelphia Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
20 - Martin - Concerto pour sept instrument à vents - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180549.html#msg180549)
21 - Bernstein - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
22 - Larry Rinkel - Sonatina - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
23 - Chabrier - Bourrée Fantasque - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
24 - Wolf - Er ist's - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180551.html#msg180551)
25 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
26 - Hummel - Trumpet Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
27 - Varese - Density 21.5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg180553.html#msg180553)
28 - Gottschalk - Grand Tarantelle - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
29 - Berio - Sequenza XI - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181304.html#msg181304)
30 - Schumann - Fantasy op 17 (orig. ending) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
31 - Schmidt - The Fantasticks - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg181378.html#msg181378)
32 - Wolf - Ganymed - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182049.html#msg182049)
33 - Wagner - Die Meistersinger.. - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182476.html#msg182476)
34 - Wagner - Das Rheingold - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg182515.html#msg182515)
35 - Alkan - Allegro Barbaro (no 5, Etudes Dans Tous Les Tons Majeurs) - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
36 - Massenet - Don Quichotte - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
37 - Schumann - Genoveva - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg183174.html#msg183174)
38 - Meyerbeer - Les Huguenots - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg186362.html#msg186362)
39 - Bolling - Picnic Suite - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
40 - Byrd - Great Service - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
41 - Walton - Belshazzar's Feast - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
42 - Boulez - First Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184945.html#msg184945)
43 - Handel - Saul - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
44 - Glanville Hicks - The Transposed Heads - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
45 - Barraque - Piano Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184946.html#msg184946)
46 - Dvorak - Symphony no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
47 - Liszt - Hungarian Folksong - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)
48 - Clementi - Sonata op 40/2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184949.html#msg184949)


Set by Chrone
1 - Gibbons - Cries of London - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184858.html#msg184858)
2 - Billings - Jargon - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg184868.html#msg184868)
3 - Joplin - Treemonisha - (Mark) (//http://)

Set by Karl
1 - Henning - Wedding Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188451.html#msg188451)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 03, 2008, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 11:50:57 AM
Oh yeah - all guesses correct - Chrone's Eben one (obviously keeping all that text in did make it too easy!); Greg's Xenakis one; and Sforzando is bang on with his Carter vocal chamber guess.

That's a relief. Most likely: "A Mirror on which to Dwell," though I get all those cycles confused in my mind.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 01:32:28 PM
Yes, that's the one. - it's the 'Sandpiper' song, in which the piping solo oboe is, in a sense, the bird itself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 01:55:56 PM
Clues, anyone?

271 - Schreker - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg185066.html#msg185066)
See 284 for the form of this work.

276 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-[url=http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
277 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg188854.html#msg188854)
These two go together (though not like ramma lamma lamma ka dinga da dinga dong). Unfortunately they've become separated from nos 274 and 275 - the clue that applied to those two also applies to these two.

280 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189515.html#msg189515)
Shares something with Adams' Harmonium (specifically the score sample I posted as no 153); with the climax of the second movement of Shostakovich 6 (according to Sean), with pieces by Strauss, Walton and Schulhoff. But a finer work than any of these, and I prefer not to think of this exalted music in such graphic terms, even when the top of the page makes clear exactly what's happening here. The piano isn't all there is to hear in this piece.

282 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189517.html#msg189517)
A symphony, whose key scheme may be a reference to that of Beethoven's 5th The score was lost, though rediscovered in its composer's lifetime (in a bookshop in Leipzig); however, the composer never learnt of this and often afterwards tended to discount it in the numbering of his symphonies.

283 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189518.html#msg189518)
A Whitman setting

284 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189519.html#msg189519)
See 271 for the form of this work.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on June 03, 2008, 03:46:26 PM
LO283: Adams, "The Wound-Dresser"

I should have been able to get that without the clue. :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 02:32:50 AM
Yes indeed. A piece that really hooked me when I was a teenager; slightly less so now, as I'm a little more jaded - it's a very emotional piece which knows exactly where there is a heart-string to be plucked and how to do so. OTOH there is absolutely no doubt that Adams meant the piece, which is bound up with his own father's illness, very sincerely indeed, and one can only admire the extremely skillful way Adams manages to wring every drop of expression from his text. If one surrenders to this piece, as perhaps one should without questioning, it is very powerful indeed.

Adams shows great sensitivity to musical imagery here. Sometimes what he does is obvious, but he does it supremely well - for instance, the violin solo accompanying 'the hurt and wounded I pacify with soothing hand', which begins low, atonal, fast and jagged but which quickly rises, becomes smoother, slower, calmer. Sometimes, though, he's managed to find an image that is just 'right', but heaven knows how or why - at 'On, on I go. Open doors of time, open hospital doors' the music turns to a slow, dragging, melancholy waltz which mysteriously conjures up visions of these long corridors of time, the past, memory and nostalgia.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 04, 2008, 03:11:45 AM
Well said, Luke.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2008, 03:58:38 AM
284, 271: I assume you're thinking of monodrama, with the first one being Erwartung. I think the ending with its rising scales of one of these may be an allusion to Schoenberg's masterpiece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 04, 2008, 04:10:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 03, 2008, 01:55:56 PM
282 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg189517.html#msg189517)
A symphony, whose key scheme may be a reference to that of Beethoven's 5th The score was lost, though rediscovered in its composer's lifetime (in a bookshop in Leipzig); however, the composer never learnt of this and often afterwards tended to discount it in the numbering of his symphonies.

This has got to be Dvorak's Bells of Zlonice (Symphony no. 1)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:28:56 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 04, 2008, 03:58:38 AM
284, 271: I assume you're thinking of monodrama, with the first one being Erwartung. I think the ending with its rising scales of one of these may be an allusion to Schoenberg's masterpiece.

No, not monodrama; in Schoenberg's output the piece is earlier than Erwartung, but is equally important and one of AS's finest and most famous works. I only it hope it is the first of its type - I can't think of others, anyway. The allusion to Schoenberg is in the horns. (Again, I'm only assuming it's a deliberate allusion - it must be, surely).

Mark, The Bells of Zlonice is correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 04, 2008, 05:40:06 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:28:56 AM
No, not monodrama; in Schoenberg's output the piece is earlier than Erwartung, but is equally important and one of AS's finest and most famous works. I only it hope it is the first of its type - I can't think of others, anyway. The allusion to Schoenberg is in the horns. (Again, I'm only assuming it's a deliberate allusion - it must be, surely).

Mark, The Bells of Zlonice is correct.

Kammersinfonie?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:41:19 AM
Ja
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 04, 2008, 05:45:59 AM
Jawohl  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:46:18 AM
But bear in mind that's only the genre, it doesn't answer the question of the composer of 284. It does complete the Schreker one, though...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2008, 05:47:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:41:19 AM
Ja

Schreker wrote a Chamber Symphony in 1916 (which I have not heard; actually I know none of his music). John Adams also wrote one, and the presence of a synthesizer, as well as the heavy presence otherwise of Adams here of late, lead me to think it could be by our second President.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:51:00 AM
Yes it is - I think I may have hinted that it was by the same composer as the adjacent 283, didn't I?

Those pealing horns recall the end of Schoenberg op 9 to my ears, at any rate, as if Adams wants to cap this crazy, cartoon-influenced score with a little reminder of his forbears. He emphasizes the way this piece makes  what is effectively a union of Schoenberg and Carl Stalling in his notes at the front of the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:53:48 AM
Only four left now!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 04, 2008, 06:35:57 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 04, 2008, 05:53:48 AM
Only four left now!

Before we get to the next round. I'll have to listen to that Adams tonight; I think it's in the Earbox set but I haven't heard that one yet. Of course, if you misread the clue and your mind goes off on the wrong direction, then you get totally confused.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 06, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
So how was it?

Can't believe we're stalled on these last four - all by major composers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 06:14:43 AM
Well, I suppose I'll need to give more clues, but I'll do it bit by bit.

276 and 277 are by the same composer - I thought that (and more beside...) was clear from my previous clue.  My new clue is the beginning of the first of the pieces of which 277 is the second and last. Ought to make it easy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 06:17:17 AM
[In reply to Johan's first Brahms guess, now deleted]

No, you don't, but that's thinking along the right lines.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 07, 2008, 06:20:21 AM
I removed my suggestion, because I knew it wasn't right. Brahms - String Quintet No. 1?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 06:25:50 AM
Well, you are right and wrong. This obviously isn't a piece for string quintet, is it! But at the same time, this is essentially the same music as forms the slow movement of the F major quintet op 88.

Well done for picking up on its Brahmsian qualities so quickly!

BTW - all four of that set of scores are therefore by Brahms. Sforzando spotted that the first two were Brahms immediately, but didn't follow through to these two - despite my hint at this being a Maciek-like set (as with The Pole's all-Szymanowsky sets of scores, for instance)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 07, 2008, 06:30:54 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 06:25:50 AM
Well, you are right and wrong. This obviously isn't a piece for string quintet, is it! But at the same time, this is essentially the same music as forms the slow movement of the F major quintet op 88.

Well done for picking up on its Brahmsian qualities so quickly!

BTW - all four of that set of scores are therefore by Brahms. Sforzando spotted that the first two were Brahms immediately, but didn't follow through to these two - despite my hint at this being a Maciek-like set (as with The Pole's all-Szymanowsky sets of scores, for instance)

Yes, it's obvious this isn't a string quintet, and it isn't in the same key as that slow movement either, but I thought 'perhaps it's some simplified piano reduction'... Those two mystery pages are from movements with variations, late Brahms, piano pieces I don't yet know...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 06:58:37 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 07, 2008, 06:30:54 AM
Those two mystery pages are from movements with variations, late Brahms, piano pieces I don't yet know...

No, not variations - they don't share that with the other two Brahms scores. Not late either, even though op 88 draws on the one I just posted.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 07, 2008, 07:40:36 AM
Sarabande, WoO.5 no.1.

Out of the Gavotte in A minor for piano, WoO.3 no.2 and this Sarabande, parts of an early Suite, Brahms built the slow movement of his String Quintet op. 88.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 07:54:22 AM
Yes. So strictly speaking, the mystery score itself is Sarabande no 2

And the other piece. Pretty similar in origin... or put another way, if the one you identified looks like a Sarabande, what does the remaining one look like?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 07, 2008, 08:14:23 AM
WoO 4, Gigue No. 2 in B minor
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 08:22:20 AM
 :)

Two left. Clues later, if they are really necessary.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 09:09:15 AM
Tell you what - here are two incredibly easy ones. Think of them as a couple of free gifts, first come first served.  ;D They're just to push up the total number of scores to 600, leaving on a nice round number at the end of this second big session of the quiz.

LO 291, 292
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 07, 2008, 09:48:36 AM
If 291 isn't Fratres, it's got to be something else by Pärt.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 09:49:17 AM
If it wasn't it would but it is so it isn't.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 07, 2008, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 09:49:17 AM
If it wasn't it would but it is so it isn't.  ;D

Very droll, Minister.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 07, 2008, 08:11:50 PM
292 is Elliott's piano sonata.

I thought the Gigue wasn't Bach himself, but a very good imitator. I actually didn't know Brahms ever wrote a gigue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 07, 2008, 11:15:34 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 07, 2008, 08:11:50 PM
292 is Elliott's piano sonata.

No, it's Carter's, but I'll give it to you  :P

Quote from: Sforzando on June 07, 2008, 08:11:50 PMI thought the Gigue wasn't Bach himself, but a very good imitator. I actually didn't know Brahms ever wrote a gigue.

He weren't bad, that Brahms geezer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 08, 2008, 04:43:37 AM
291 is Arvo Part's Fratres.

EDIT: see its already been answered
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 09:50:38 AM
OK, so the other two still remain. Clue on 287:

This piece has to do with a town which

1) had the only temple to the Sirens in the ancient Greek world

2) is associated with the composer Ernesto De Curtis (who was the grandson of another compsoer, Saverio Mercadante, btw)

3) was the birthplace of a famous poet much beloved by the Romantics (Byron, Liszt etc.)

any or all of these clues could lead you to the right place....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2008, 10:22:04 AM
The town is Sorrento, birthplace of the poet Tasso...

(Can't be Liszt's Tasso, can it?!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on June 08, 2008, 10:31:57 AM
I think it is. I remember I played that once (the bass line looks very familiar) but can't remember what it was but it could be a piece by Liszt, so that would fit.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
Okay - Liszt, Tasso (great piece, too)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:39:46 AM
No - but the town is Sorrento; Tasso was one clue to lead you there, but is nothing to do with the piece itself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:41:24 AM
That orchestration looks a little more sophisticated than Liszt, doesn't it? This piece is very much in a mould that Liszt would have approved of, I suspect, however.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 08, 2008, 11:42:42 AM
While the above was going on I took down Liszt's Tasso from the shelf. Not only does it have only 92 pages, but the passage quoted by Luke is not in there.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 08, 2008, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:41:24 AM
That orchestration looks a little more sophisticated than Liszt, doesn't it? This piece is very much in a mould that Liszt would have approved of, I suspect, however.

Ha! Aus Italien by Strauss. Now I gotta walk over to the shelves to verify.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:47:02 AM
Spare yourself the bother (he typed as loudly as he could, trying to call Sforzando back from the shelves!)

Aus Italien is correct. The On the Beach at Sorrento movement, obviously. The young Strauss flexes his tone-painting muscle in this movement particularly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 08, 2008, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:47:02 AM
Spare yourself the bother (he typed as loudly as he could, trying to call Sforzando back from the shelves!)

Aus Italien is correct. The On the Beach at Sorrento movement, obviously. The young Strauss flexes his tone-painting muscle in this movement particularly.

Zu spät! zu spät! ich bin schon aus Italien gegangen and wieder zurückgekommen!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on June 08, 2008, 12:05:15 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:41:24 AM
That orchestration looks a little more sophisticated than Liszt, doesn't it?

I wouldn't say that. Liszt's orchestration can be quite sophisticated, too, certainly as and also more complex than this example. I don't think that the early Strauss was any more complex than Liszt.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: M forever on June 08, 2008, 12:05:15 PM
I wouldn't say that. Liszt's orchestration can be quite sophisticated, too,

Absolutely, I know he can - I think Liszt is a much finer and more capable composer than many people seem to (I like to recall Bartok's line about Liszt probably being more important for the future of music than Wagner), and his orchestration certainly developed into a very subtle tool indeed. At the same time, I don't see it as having the same kind of routine attention to sensuous detail that Strauss habitually employs from the works a little after Aus Italien onwards, of which this movement is an early forerunner. Liszt is certainly capable of such writing, but equally he always remains capable of a (deliberate?) crudity which Strauss avoided.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on June 08, 2008, 12:22:34 PM
Yes, but that is all after this music example. IIRC, I played both Liszt's Tasso and Strauss' Aus Italien in a concert with the Staatskapelle Weimar which also featured Mendelssohn's Italian symphony - hmmm, I wonder if whoever came up with that program had some thematic connection between the pieces in mind...hmmm...anyway, that was the only time I ever heard either the Strauss or Liszt - I have both on disc but I don't think I ever actually listened to either piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2008, 12:25:56 PM
Hm, I had my doubts about this piece being by Liszt, because the whole thing looked a bit too differentiated, yes: later than Liszt. So it doesn't surprise me at all that it's by Strauss. It looks Straussian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: M forever on June 08, 2008, 12:22:34 PM
Yes, but that is all after this music example.

True. Don't want to make a big deal out of this, but it's actually quite interesting to compare the two (and this thread does nothing if it doesn't give license to indulge in this sort of thing!). There are moments in Aus Italien when Strauss doesn't show the kind of intricate subtlety that he shows in this movement and which he later showed at all times - but even in those other movements he always steers clear of the sort of orchestrational crudity which we see in many of Liszt's works, even Liszt works which elsewhere offer up very complex orchestrations. It seems to me that that sort of thing isn't in Strauss's temperament - perhaps it's even a defect in his music, if we can speak in such terms, because I don't certainly don't mean the word 'crudity' in a pejorative sense. I've got a great deal of time for crudity: there's everything to be said for putting things into the most basic and direct terms, which is something Liszt never shies away from.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 12:36:13 PM
Anyway, one left, folks. And I can't believe it hasn't been guessed. One of the finest pieces of music of all (IMHO). And as I said, containing more parts than that seen here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 08, 2008, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 12:36:13 PM
Anyway, one left, folks. And I can't believe it hasn't been guessed. One of the finest pieces of music of all (IMHO). And as I said, containing more parts than that seen here.

No excuses from me except lack of concentration. It is the piano interlude from Janacek's Diary of one who Vanished.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:00:55 PM
Yes it is. Thank you!

(http://www.leosjanacek.co.uk/janacek/diary_cover.jpg)

It is the 'Erotic interlude' which provides a discrete (or not) commentary as the lovers...you get the idea.

Is there a finer portrayal of adolescent love and yearning in the repertoire? And written by a 63 year old man, although one who was more in touch than most with his inner adolescent! A cycle full of the most magical moments, but is there anything more potent than the sudden, hushed tones of the female voices as they steal into the darkness?

More to the point - that's it! No more scores. Until and unless.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 08, 2008, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:00:55 PM
Yes it is. Thank you!

(http://www.leosjanacek.co.uk/janacek/diary_cover.jpg)

It is the 'Erotic interlude' which provides a discrete (or not) commentary as the lovers...you get the idea.

Is there a finer portrayal of adolescent love and yearning in the repertoire? And written by a 63 year old man, although one who was more in touch than most with his inner adolescent! A cycle full of the most magical moments, but is there anything more potent than the sudden, hushed tones of the female voices as they steal into the darkness?

More to the point - that's it! No more scores. Until and unless.....

No, no - more scores! But let's retire this thread and start Mystery Scores, vol. II.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2008, 01:03:29 PM
Sforzando must be right (I don't know the piece  :-[).

We've done it, at last!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: SforzandoBut let's retire this thread and start Mystery Scores, vol. II.

Really? Why would we do that?  ??? We can start a new list, but personally I think it's nice to keep everything in one place.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:05:06 PM
Johan, that's a situation you need to rectify. I'll see what I can do. Blachut or Gedda? (Hint - Blachut is the correct answer)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2008, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
Really? Why would we do that?  ??? We can start a new list, but personally I think it's nice to keep everything in one place.

I agree with you AND with Sforzando - yes, it's nice to keep everything in one place, but otoh it became a bit cumbersome sometimes trawling through the pages to find a hint/clue...

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:05:06 PM
Johan, that's a situation you need to rectify. I'll see what I can do. Blachut or Gedda? (Hint - Blachut is the correct answer)

Answer: Blachut.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 08, 2008, 01:10:44 PM
I agree with you AND with Sforzando - yes, it's nice to keep everything in one place, but otoh it became a bit cumbersome sometimes trawling through the pages to find a hint/clue...

No trawling required, though, if we keep the hyperlinked list regularly updated and the clues near the top, as I've always tried to do.

Quote from: Jezetha on June 08, 2008, 01:10:44 PM
Answer: Blachut.  ;)

'Tis being done as we speak....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 08, 2008, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:13:32 PM
No trawling required, though, if we keep the hyperlinked list regularly updated and the clues near the top, as I've always tried to do.

'Tis being done as we speak....

Maybe if you could just bring the whole list TTT more often, or ask the mods if it can be made a sticky . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:19:03 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 08, 2008, 01:16:29 PM
Maybe if you could just bring the whole list TTT more often, or ask the mods if it can be made a sticky . . .

Good idea. I tried to bring the list TTT every three or four pages, though sometimes it was a little longer. But of course, though I took on the role of list-compiler, anyone can 'quote' the list and make it the 'subject' of their own post if the want to TTT it; they can also update it if they feel like it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2008, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:19:03 PM
Good idea. I tried to bring the list TTT every three or four pages, though sometimes it was a little longer. But of course, though I took on the role of list-compiler, anyone can 'quote' the list and make it the 'subject' of their own post if the want to TTT it; they can also update it if they feel like it!

You did the job so well that I didn't want to take your baby away from you. But now I know snatching is allowed...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 01:30:29 PM
As long as it is kept with my scrupulous care and fairness.  0:) 0:) 0:) 0:)

(though with better proof-reading, perhaps)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 08, 2008, 03:00:16 PM
Luke... any chance of you cc-ing the files onto me too?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 03:22:05 PM
Ask Johan to do it - I've sent them to him but didn't make a copy of the links.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 03:26:33 PM
When do people want to start the new set? I've got 10 ready to roll right now.... (of course - you didn't think I wouldn't have, did you?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 03:35:08 PM
Going to bed now, however........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 08, 2008, 04:47:14 PM
I don't really see any need for a new thread, but maybe you could edit the first post and have a complete list of the guessed and unguessed scores, like you regularly do. That way people will always be able to find the list without searching, should they want it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 10:59:37 PM
The first post is Sean's, though, in one of his previous manifestations, so I can't edit it. But there must be a similar way of doing so, good idea...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 10:59:55 PM
Good morning, btw.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
If only Larry Rinkel was still here - he has plenty of posts on that first page which would give him ample room to keep updated copies of all the various lists easily accesible, plus a current one being frequently updated.

And how about an index made up of links to posts containing clues? I'll happily try to do such a thing, though time will tell to see if it is workable or not.

....sorry, just rambling here....

How about this: I make two lists, one of links to scores, as before, one of links to clues so that they're easy to find, and I try my best to put both lists somewhere on every page of the thread, with the latest being the most recently updated? It's worth a shot, anyway.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2008, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
How about this: I make two lists, one of links to scores, as before, one of links to clues so that they're easy to find, and I try my best to put both lists somewhere on every page of the thread, with the latest being the most recently updated? It's worth a shot, anyway.

Excellent suggestion, although every page would perhaps be overkill. Say every 3 pages or so...

And good morning to you, too, btw! I just downloaded Janacek and listened to the famous track #13 - fascinating music...

(I'll have to do some writing today, so I won't be present all the time...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 08, 2008, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 08, 2008, 11:19:58 PM
Excellent suggestion, although every page would perhaps be overkill. Say every 3 pages or so...

That's what I was trying to do anyway!

I've got some new ones ready to go right now, but that wouldn't be fair on all those still asleep, so I'll leave them until tonight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 02:24:49 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 08, 2008, 11:19:58 PM
And good morning to you, too, btw! I just downloaded Janacek and listened to the famous track #13 - fascinating music...

Straight for the 'erotic interlude', hey? That's the melomane's equivalent of skipping the foreplay, Johan, you know that don't you?  ;D

(You missed some of the most ravishing stuff, too, but I'm sure I don't need to tell you that - save that treat for later, as a reward if you get some good writing done)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 09, 2008, 02:42:25 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 02:24:49 AM
Straight for the 'erotic interlude', hey? That's the melomane's equivalent of skipping the foreplay, Johan, you know that don't you?  ;D

(You missed some of the most ravishing stuff, too, but I'm sure I don't need to tell you that - save that treat for later, as a reward if you get some good writing done)

Janacek didn't mind.

And - yes, I'll treat myself to 'some of the most ravishing stuff' later today...

(And now lunch is in order...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 09:31:03 AM
Just to give some prior warning, so that we can start with a flurry of activity (  ;D ), I will post my first 10 scores of this new session in about 2 hours when I finally get home. An early clue: all/most of them come from composers whose names start with letters at the arse end of the alphabet (as that was the folder I was looking in!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 09, 2008, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 09:31:03 AM
Just to give some prior warning, so that we can start with a flurry of activity (  ;D ), I will post my first 10 scores of this new session in about 2 hours when I finally get home. An early clue: all/most of them come from composers whose names start with letters at the arse end of the alphabet (as that was the folder I was looking in!)

I am not a great fan of football, but the Dutch are playing the Italians in half an hour, and my little girl ( 8 years old ) is allowed to watch the first half. If it's enjoyable, it will be around 21.45 BST at the earliest I'll be able to see what you have had in store for us...

The 'arse end', so - S, T et cetera?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 12:58:39 PM
OK, here we go, guys. Seconds out, ding ding....

Remember, all composers with names beginning in the latter end of the alphabet.

One composer is represented more than once over the course of this set of 10; some of these composers are very well known, some much less so. One is very hard, and yet very nearly easy.

First four: LO 293, 294, 295, 296

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 12:59:56 PM
LO 297, 298, 299, 300
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 09, 2008, 01:00:15 PM
296 is from (or refers to) Die Meistersinger
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 01:01:23 PM
Yes, it does, Karl....

LO 301, 302
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 09, 2008, 01:00:15 PM
296 is from (or refers to) Die Meistersinger

A pretty literal piano arrangement of the Prize Song, without Lisztian flourishes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 01:04:34 PM
Yes, Sforzando, that's right.

And to set us off with a new list....does this layout suit everyone?

I think it's a nice idea to keep links to all the old lists at the top of this new one still, so that one has relatively quick access to all the scores in this thread's history should one want it.

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)


Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:03:24 PM
A pretty literal piano arrangement of the Prize Song, without Lisztian flourishes.

But who would have done such a thing? Not sure.

293 could be Tchaikovsky.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 09, 2008, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:07:28 PM
But who would have done such a thing? Not sure.

293 could be Tchaikovsky.

Although in the Library of Congress transliteration, he would be disqualified  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:07:28 PM
But who would have done such a thing? Not sure.

Who would have done such a thing indeed.

Quote from: Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:07:28 PM
293 could be Tchaikovsky.

Nice one - it is!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 01:11:23 PM
Who would have done such a thing indeed.

Nice one - it is!

Without checking any further, I'm going to guess it could be that Overture on Danish Themes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 01:16:10 PM
That's not quite the title, but you are thinking of the correct work, I think. Sforzando is con fuoco tonight  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 01:16:10 PM
That's not quite the title, but you are thinking of the correct work, I think. Sforzando is con fuoco tonight  :o

Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem. I heard it once and tried to forget it for eternity.

And I will be out of commission for about an hour or two....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 09, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
The funny thing is - I know the melody in 293 - it's "Kong Christian stod ved hojen Mast", commonly regarded as the second Danish national anthem. But as Sforzando says, it's part of an orchestral work I don't know...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 09, 2008, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 09, 2008, 01:18:05 PM
Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem. I heard it once and tried to forget it for eternity.


Sorry to reawaken the horror, then. That's the correct title, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 09, 2008, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 09, 2008, 01:09:31 PM
Although in the Library of Congress transliteration, he would be disqualified  8)

LC still uses "Tchaikovsky, Peter Ilich" as the main entry (because it's the form most commonly used in English language reference sources).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 12:17:35 AM
Of course, there are many relatively little-known Tchaikovsky works for orchestra outside the warhorses (by which I mean the symphonies, the ballet suites, Romeo+Juliet, the 1812, the Marche Slav, the Violin Concerto, the Piano Concerto no 1, the Rococo Variations and so on)... there's Francesca da Rimini, of course, an older score sample of mine, though that's quite well known, I suppose. But plenty of others too, some of them much better than the Danish piece and every bit as fine as the more famous works.  And I have the scores to all these pieces, I think.....  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 02:26:03 AM
Morning Guido!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 04:02:38 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 12:17:35 AM
Of course, there are many relatively little-known Tchaikovsky works for orchestra outside the warhorses (by which I mean the symphonies, the ballet suites, Romeo+Juliet, the 1812, the Marche Slav, the Violin Concerto, the Piano Concerto no 1, the Rococo Variations and so on)... there's Francesca da Rimini, of course, an older score sample of mine, though that's quite well known, I suppose. But plenty of others too, some of them much better than the Danish piece and every bit as fine as the more famous works.  And I have the scores to all these pieces, I think.....  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Have you noticed that in concert, despite his enormous popularity, one rarely hears much Tchaikovsky at least in the U.S. beyond three symphonies, two concertos, and an overture? The ballets are in the active repertories of most classical ballet companies, but they're not performed much in concert that I've ever been aware, and perhaps two of the operas are in the standard repertory. But I don't think much is played beyond that; correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 04:10:16 AM
No you are right - that part of my point. The orchestral suites, for example, are almost ignored, even though they are symphonic in scale and ambition. Taruskin describes these and similar piece particularly lovingly, applying to them the term 'epicurianism' to describe the delight in sheer exotic sonority that T explores in these pieces - a little taste of this, a little sip of that.... It's the sort of thing that is best known to the world from the Nutcracker suite (coffee, tea, chocolate, Russia, Arabia, China...), but its a big part of Tchaikovsky's style. Taruskin sees this epicurianism as just as integral to Tchaikovsky's musical personality as the Fate-beset music of the last three symphonies which tends to dominate our image of him.


The other part of my point is that the post of mine that you quote is there as hint, btw, especially its last line...  hence the  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 10, 2008, 04:44:46 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on June 09, 2008, 01:27:01 PM
LC still uses "Tchaikovsky, Peter Ilich" as the main entry (because it's the form most commonly used in English language reference sources).

Thanks, Mark. Who is it spells it Chaikovsky, do you know?  I plum forget.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 05:15:35 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 10, 2008, 04:44:46 AM
Thanks, Mark. Who is it spells it Chaikovsky, do you know?  I plum forget.

Joseph Kerman does in his book on the concerto. It's possible the usual English spelling derived from the German "Tschaikowsky," as "ch" as pronounced in English is not usually encountered in German that I know (I'm sure M will correct me on this). I have an American friend, probably of Polish descent, who spells his name "Czajkowski" (and speaks it with a w rather than a v sound). In German, btw, one also sees "Prokofjew," which of course sounds like our transliteration "Prokofiev," but which also lends an unexpected overtone to the Overture on Hebrew Themes.

But there's more Tschaikowsky/Tchaikovsky/Chaikovsky/Czajkowski in the excerpts? Wouldn't be surprised if pieces like Hamlet or Fatum are in the mix, but I'm away from my scores and CDs until this evening.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 05:18:21 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 05:15:35 AM
In German, btw, one also sees "Prokofjew," which of course sounds like our transliteration "Prokofiev," but which also lends an unexpected overtone to the Overture on Hebrew Themes.

Better that than Porkofjew, a typo I can too easily imagine...

Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 05:15:35 AM
But there's more Tschaikowsky/Tchaikovsky/Chaikovsky/Czajkowski in the excerpts? Wouldn't be surprised if pieces like Hamlet or Fatum are in the mix, but I'm away from my scores and CDs until this evening.

There are more by said Russian composer, yes, with whichever spelling you choose.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 10, 2008, 05:33:35 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 05:15:35 AM
Joseph Kerman does in his book on the concerto. It's possible the usual English spelling derived from the German "Tschaikowsky"

"Tch" is the French transliteration of the Cyrillic consonant Ч
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 05:46:58 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 10, 2008, 05:33:35 AM
"Tch" is the French transliteration of the Cyrillic consonant Ч

Ah. Another language that doesn't have that sound (unlike Spanish or Italian). Is the Italian spelling more like Ciaikovski?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 05:50:59 AM
Yes, I think that's how it is on Italian scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 10, 2008, 06:30:53 AM
All wrong, gentlemen, you got it all wrong - it's Tsjaikofski (Dutch).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 06:42:42 AM
When I was really young (please, emphasize the 'really') I would listen to my father's Melodiya LPs and wonder who this wonderful unheard-of composer called bax was, who always seemed to be coupled with Bach. Later, of course, I realised how foolish I'd been - of course there's no such thing as a 'wonderful unheard-of composer called bax'  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 10, 2008, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 06:42:42 AM
When I was really young (please, emphasize the 'really') I would listen to my father's Melodiya LPs and wonder who this wonderful unheard-of composer called bax was, who always seemed to be coupled with Bach. Later, of course, I realised how foolish I'd been - of course there's no such thing as a 'wonderful unheard-of composer called bax'  ;D

Johann Sebastian Bax - the mind boggles...

(Completely OT - an entry in a music lexicon read: Harriet Cohen (see under Bax). This seems to have amused RVW...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 10, 2008, 07:38:52 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 10, 2008, 06:51:08 AM
Johann Sebastian Bax - the mind boggles...

(Completely OT - an entry in a music lexicon read: Harriet Cohen (see under Bax). This seemed to have amused RVW...)

Hahaha!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 08:00:46 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 06:42:42 AM
- of course there's no such thing as a 'wonderful unheard-of composer called bax'  ;D

I would certainly agree with that!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 10, 2008, 11:16:51 AM
There's such a wealth of variety the ways in which one might agree with that . . . .

8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 12:17:11 PM
Luke - bringing the forum together.  0:)

Clues in a while, perhaps? What do you think?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 10, 2008, 12:33:49 PM
Yes, please! I am not making any headway at the mo.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 02:31:37 PM
OK, some pretty crap clues:

294 Not as well known as a composer as for his other musical activities, and not born at 39°35'19''N  89°26'58''W despite appearances. Was once recorded, as pianist, on an LP in which in order to save space, upon reaching the end of the first movement exposition, he calls out to the listener to 'return to the beginning of the record. Second time:' before continuing with the development section.

295 No clues yet. The composer isn't obvious, but he's famous, and examination + imagination ought to help with some educated guesses.

296 Yes, as Sforzando said, 'a pretty literal piano arrangement of the Prize Song, without Lisztian flourishes'. This is actually a very good summary, and putting the implications of the two halves of the statement might throw up the composer's name.

297 According to Wiki, this composer is a character on Babylon 5. But I'm not sure that's right.... Ah, that's more like it. Spent some of his childhood in Madagascar; grew roses and developed an award-winning hybrid; lost them in a freeze so took up growing cacti instead.  Glenn Gould admired him and thought him a 'looming personality in 20th century music'

298 Another of those best-known as a pianist. This piece has been recorded recently by a very well-known pianist, and indeed gave its name to the disc it appears on.

299 Close in name to another composer in this set, though there is a difference which, were I to make it the basis of a 'clever' clue, would probably lead you straight to the answer. So I won't. He's hardly obscure, but he's almost never discussed round these parts - as is the case with Rossini and others of that sort, I suppose.

300 This is the one that I said was very hard at the same time as being very nearly easy.

301 No clues yet  - this is a well-known piece round these parts, I imagine. We're all fairly well-listened, after all.

302 Ditto, though possibly slightly less well-known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 02:33:18 PM
Quickly TTT, as promised.

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)


Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)

first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 10, 2008, 02:48:26 PM
Okay, first guess: #294 Donald Tovey, Piano Concerto.

Second guess: #296 Godowski's Transcription of the 'Preislied'?

Third guess: #297 Fartein Valen, Second Piano Sonata
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 03:04:31 PM
 :)
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
(Does Godowsky come at the end of the alphabet?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 10, 2008, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 03:04:31 PM

:(


I knew it! Godowski is usually far more virtuosic. Mm...

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
(Does Godowsky come at the end of the alphabet?)

I forgot!  :'(


Later addition: I am done for today. "Bye for now!"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 04:10:16 AM
It's the sort of thing that is best known to the world from the Nutcracker suite (coffee, tea, chocolate, Russia, Arabia, China...)

If I may: chocolate, coffee, and tea - to put them in their correct order - are from Spain, Arabia, and China respectively in the Nutracker. Russia is represented by a Cossack trepak, which Balanchine in his version converted to a dance of Candy Canes, a virtuoso 1.5 minutes using "hula hoops" that is given to the most acrobatic males in the company. In fact it's thanks to Balanchine that some Tchaikovsky is more likely to be heard (and seen) than in the concert hall. Of the larger works, he choreographed the 2nd piano concerto, 3rd and 4th suites, and 3rd symphony (the finale to Jewels).

Do you have any passages from the other two big Tchaikovsky ballets there?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 10, 2008, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
If I may: chocolate, coffee, and tea - to put them in their correct order - are from Spain, Arabia, and China respectively in the Nutracker. Russia is represented by a Cossack trepak, which Balanchine in his version converted to a dance of Candy Canes, a virtuoso 1.5 minutes using "hula hoops" that is given to the most acrobatic males in the company.

Yes, I wasn't trying to pair like with like, just to give an indication of the sort of 'epicurian delights' and exoticisms that Tchaikovsky prepares for us - explicitly here in The Nutcracker, but also in pieces like the orchestral suites

Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
Do you have any passages from the other two big Tchaikovsky ballets there?

No. Nor from the Suites, though I've mentioned them twice now. That doesn't mean I won't be using them in future, though - they are pretty spectacular scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 02:54:59 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
In fact it's thanks to Balanchine that some Tchaikovsky is more likely to be heard (and seen) than in the concert hall. Of the larger works, he choreographed the 2nd piano concerto, 3rd and 4th suites, and 3rd symphony (the finale to Jewels).

Didn't know that, btw - thanks. Did he choreograph all of the 2nd Concerto? It's a big piece....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 05:28:53 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 02:54:59 AM
Didn't know that, btw - thanks. Did he choreograph all of the 2nd Concerto? It's a big piece....

Yes he did - all of it. It was originally entitled Ballet Imperial, but now goes by the more prosaic title of Concerto No. 2.

For the 3rd Symphony, which is the last piece in Balanchine's great triptych "Jewels,"* he left out the first movement and re-ordered the four remaining.

*Emeralds (in French style, to music by Fauré)
Rubies (American, using Stravinsky's Capriccio)
Diamonds (Russian, using the Tchai 3rd)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 05:33:18 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 05:28:53 AM
Yes he did - all of it. It was originally entitled Ballet Imperial, but now goes by the more prosaic title of Concerto No. 2.

What sort of thing does he do during the second movement? I'd be interested to know, as I really like that movement, don't you?

(Sounding all Eric on you here!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 07:07:51 AM
Donald Tovey, Piano Concerto... Fartein Valen, Second Piano Sonata...

Hmmm... Whatever happened to Greg's plea for more less obscure stuff?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 07:09:34 AM
Thing is, Johan only knows obscure stuff, it seems! The more famous composers remain....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 07:25:50 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 05:33:18 AM
What sort of thing does he do during the second movement? I'd be interested to know, as I really like that movement, don't you?

(Sounding all Eric on you here!)

I've only seen it once, and I don't have the best visual memory for ballet steps. With a little sleuthing I'm sure I'll find an answer, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 07:41:06 AM
Well, yes, it would be fascinating to see what Balanchine makes of the orchestrational/formal oddities of this movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 01:47:38 PM
No one got anything to add?  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 11, 2008, 01:49:43 PM
This connoisseur of the obscure hasn't...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
Then I'm more shocked than you might think is justified. Not just about you, you understand...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 02:04:49 PM
OK, OK, I'll dig into the thread and try to find the place where the actual scores are... ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 02:19:37 PM
Not far back, and links not far above your last post.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 02:48:45 PM
Hm, no ideas so far (I would have guessed the Valen, though - with those clues! ;D). Trying to figure out the penultimate one... Perhaps Guido will know it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 11, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
It's a pity there are relatively few guessers (mainly Guido, Sforzando, Mark, Maciek, myself and you, Luke), as we all have our foci and blind spots...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 11, 2008, 03:08:50 PM
The only pieces I know for solo cello, solo violin and orchestra are Brahms' concerto and Rozsa's Sinfonia Concertante and I don't recognise it in either, though I haven't listened through thus far.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: Guido on June 11, 2008, 03:08:50 PM
The only pieces I know for solo cello, solo violin and orchestra are Brahms' concerto and Rozsa's Sinfonia Concertante and I don't recognise it in either, though I haven't listened through thus far.

Definitely not either of those. There's a Vieuxtemps Duo Brillant for vn and vc, but I'd be happier if it were in D, 'cause in fact it's in A.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 03:25:22 PM
It has got to be the Sinfonia Concertante in D major for violin, cello and orchestra by Carl Stamitz then! :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 11, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 11, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
It's a pity there are relatively few guessers (mainly Guido, Sforzando, Simon, Maciek, myself and you, Luke), as we all have our foci and blind spots...

Luke has blind spots?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 03:37:51 PM
But he has very strong foci...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 11, 2008, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Guido on June 11, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
Luke has blind spots?

Erm... let's say his knowledge could be limited by the scores he is able to get hold of and the recordings he is able to hear. In an ideal world, of course, Luke would be all-knowing and all-hearing, given his musical voracity!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 03:25:22 PM
It has got to be the Sinfonia Concertante in D major for violin, cello and orchestra by Carl Stamitz then! :D

Looks too Romantic for that, and I doubt CS would have used clarinets in his orchestra.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 03:42:23 PM
No, no, no. It has got to be Stamitz!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 03:42:23 PM
No, no, no. It has got to be Stamitz!

Well, maybe so. I did a bit more sleuthing and found Stamitz did have clarinets in Mannheim. It's the only other work that fits.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 04:08:09 PM
Well, I was trying to employ my super-focused manly tunnel vision over there, but who knows... Maybe it actually works, maybe it is Stamitz... :o

Anyway, I wasn't able to find anything more plausible. But would Luke really be so mean as to call this "a well-known piece round these parts"?? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 05:53:52 PM
Quote from: Maciek on June 11, 2008, 04:08:09 PM
Well, I was trying to employ my super-focused manly tunnel vision over there, but who knows... Maybe it actually works, maybe it is Stamitz... :o

Anyway, I wasn't able to find anything more plausible. But would Luke really be so mean as to call this "a well-known piece round these parts"?? ???

Uh . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 07:08:25 PM
No, but I would be so mean as to do something else a bit crafty here. Oh, this is making me laugh, as you'll understand when you know the answer, I hope.

It's not Stamitz, of course not. It's not from a work in D either. It's from a work that I know for sure Sforzando has heard.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 07:11:47 PM
(I'm beginning to feel a bit guilty, now! But it isn't my fault if you're not thinking laterally)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 07:55:05 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 07:11:47 PM
(I'm beginning to feel a bit guilty, now! But it isn't my fault if you're not thinking laterally)

And something tells me I've read through that piano piece. Can't place it though. As for the "Stamitz," well let me sleep on it. It's midnight here in NY, six am in the UK, and I'm going to sleep. Don't be perturbed if I'm not active much of tomorrow; I'm taking a day off to visit the city and will be computerless until evening.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 11, 2008, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 10, 2008, 04:44:46 AM
Thanks, Mark. Who is it spells it Chaikovsky, do you know?  I plum forget.

I don't know. LC uses Chaikovski˘i, Boris Aleksandrovich though.

There seems to be a trend among some German writers to using the spelling Čajkovskij. Schott publishes a series of books called "Čajkovskij Studien".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 11, 2008, 10:17:28 PM
Luke, Luke....LOL I honestly don't know most all of these pieces for simple lack of hearing - reminding me how much great stuff there is out there to discover! Those scores are fascinating. The only one that kept niggling me I might know was 283...I should have went ahead and taken a guess at the composer.  ;D

Okay, so here is my own set, child's play compared to the usual fare!  ;)

Mystery 1

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G1.jpg)

Mystery 2

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G2.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 11, 2008, 10:22:19 PM
Sorry, I had to use Photobucket as I had no luck with attachments, it always refused to take them!

Mystery 3 (link to bigger version (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G3.jpg))

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G3.jpg)

Mystery 4

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G4.jpg)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 11, 2008, 10:25:18 PM
Mystery 5 (link to bigger version) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G5.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G5.jpg)

Mystery 6 (link to bigger version) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G6.jpg)

Mystery 7 (link to bigger version) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G7.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/gab98/G7.jpg)

*end of this set*

(And BTW I see Johan is perusing what I have just posted and I wonder how quickly he will pick them off  ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
Brilliant!

The ones I know straightaway -

No 3 is Petrouchka
No 4 is Brahms op 119/3
No 5 is Harmonielehre  (Adams - a different page was one of my earlier samples on this thread)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 11, 2008, 10:38:25 PM
Mystery 3 is Petrushka

Damn, too late!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 10:38:56 PM
and oh yes, no 2 is Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera... another one I did before! (Which just proves what good taste you have  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 10:44:00 PM
Number 1 is Berio, Sequenza IXb, alto sax
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 10:45:47 PM
Oh, no 6 is Sibelius, isn't it! Stupid me!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 10:48:42 PM
Kullervo

(can you tell I've been feeling a bit score-starved!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 11, 2008, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 10:45:47 PM
Oh, no 6 is Sibelius, isn't it! Stupid me!

??? Not exactly the word I was thinking of after this Blitz... ;D

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 10:48:42 PM(can you tell I've been feeling a bit score-starved!)

Sailors have more restraint.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 12, 2008, 12:18:43 AM
Good job you two!  ;D

No. 1 is a tad obvious with the multiphonics fingerings! Didn't realize you had the Dallapiccola before, that's a cool one. Couldn't help myself on the Adams, one of my favorite moments he's ever written right there on that page!

Hint on No. 7: The instrumentation is oft associated w/ the composer...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 12, 2008, 12:21:08 AM
7 is Percy Grainger, perhaps...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 01:07:04 AM
Quote from: Greta on June 12, 2008, 12:18:43 AM
Good job you two!  ;D

No. 1 is a tad obvious with the multiphonics fingerings!

It happens to be one of the Berio scores I have on my computer, otherwise it might have taken a little longer. Likewise, I own all these scores, except no 7 obviously.

Quote from: Greta on June 12, 2008, 12:18:43 AMDidn't realize you had the Dallapiccola before, that's a cool one. Couldn't help myself on the Adams, one of my favorite moments he's ever written right there on that page!

Don't blame you! My page was the quasi-Mahler 10 quotation from the second movements

Quote from: Greta on June 12, 2008, 12:18:43 AMHint on No. 7: The instrumentation is oft associated w/ the composer...

Doesn't look like Grainger to me, but I could be wrong....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 12, 2008, 02:23:44 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 07:08:25 PM
No, but I would be so mean as to do something else a bit crafty here. Oh, this is making me laugh, as you'll understand when you know the answer, I hope.

It's not Stamitz, of course not. It's not from a work in D either. It's from a work that I know for sure Sforzando has heard.

From the direction of the violin line, it has to be the middle movement of a work in G. But what?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 02:44:14 AM
I recommend you read the last pages of this thread again, lateral thinking mode switched on.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 12, 2008, 03:38:35 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 12, 2008, 12:21:08 AM
7 is Percy Grainger, perhaps...

Maybe Holst.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 04:49:56 AM
I think I'll have to tell you what 301 is, because there's a lot of barking up wrong trees going on, even though I've given the heaviest of hints as to the identity of the work; it's actually been mentioned by Sforzando once and then by me several times.

First, the composer - it's Tchaikovsky (or however we're spelling him today).

This could have been guessed, I suppose, because I made clear that there is at least one Tchaikovsky piece left among my scores. This score also looks rather Tchaikovskian, in print style (obviously a Russian imprint, I think), in orchestration, and in the implied tone of the page, which is in Tchaik's grandly classical, imperial manner. These cadenzas are decorative, formal rather than virtuoso vehicles.

Secondly, the piece itself. When Sforzando started talking about the comparative scarcity of non-symphonic Tchaikovsky in American concerts, and about Balanchine's choreography, did no-one think it a little out of character for me to latch onto one of his comments in this rather repetitive, Pink-Harp-like, 'I really want to know your opinion about this' way?; here's the gist of the exchange:

Quote from: Sforzando on June 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
Of the larger works, he choreographed the 2nd piano concerto, 3rd and 4th suites, and 3rd symphony (the finale to Jewels).

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 02:54:59 AM
Didn't know that, btw - thanks. Did he choreograph all of the 2nd Concerto? It's a big piece....

Quote from: Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 05:28:53 AM
Yes he did - all of it. It was originally entitled Ballet Imperial*, but now goes by the more prosaic title of Concerto No. 2.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 05:33:18 AM
What sort of thing does he do during the second movement? I'd be interested to know, as I really like that movement, don't you?

Quote from: Sforzando on June 11, 2008, 07:25:50 AM
I've only seen it once, and I don't have the best visual memory for ballet steps. With a little sleuthing I'm sure I'll find an answer, though.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 11, 2008, 07:41:06 AM
Well, yes, it would be fascinating to see what Balanchine makes of the orchestrational/formal oddities of this movement.

I hoped that going on about how much I like that movements, and about its 'orchestrational/formal oddities' might prompt a bit of thought - because it only took one person to think: 'Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto no 2, second movement - that's the one with the highly unusual, prominent, almost concertante violin/cello solos, isn't it?....Aha!'

To pre-empt complaints that I chose a page with no piano but two string soloists I'd say:

1) This is a quiz, after all. A test of logical thinking. Why do those two solo instruments have to be the only soloists? And why does that have to be a concerto written for them anyway? No reason...

2) If I'd included the piano part, I imagine people would have been led along the lines of thinking this was a Triple Concerto a la Beethoven. A similar mistake, in other words

3) I always try to put up pages of scores that have a particular 'wow' factor - something that makes them noticeable, even if it's only something small. I also often try to select pages which stress this factor as much as possible. I'm sure everyone who has set scores here does likewise. It could be the notation, the complexity, the composer's identity, the date at which the piece was written, techniques used, instrument used.... In this case it's the fact that here we have a piano concerto in whose slow movement the nominal soloist is absent to such an extent that the very score takes on the appearance of a double concerto for violin and cello.

*Interesting that Balanchine felt that this music was 'imperial', given that I have just described the unusual tone of the second movement in exactly those terms - 'grandly classical, imperial' - which in turn I think I subconsciously derived from Taruskin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 04:55:38 AM
TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - ?  - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 12, 2008, 07:25:59 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 12, 2008, 03:38:35 AM
Maybe Holst.

Or - Duke Ellington?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 07:26:29 AM
I'm going to guess the name Gordon Jacob for Greta's remaining one, though that doesn't seem too likely. The piece looks American to my eyes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 10:34:24 AM
New guess - William Schuman
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 12, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
#7 - And why wouldn't that look like Grainger...?  ;)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on June 12, 2008, 11:14:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 04:49:56 AM
First, the composer - it's Tchaikovsky (or however we're spelling him today).

You know, it had just dawned on me that this had to be the Czajkowski score you mentioned, and you had to come and ruin it all by revealing it before time! >:(

::)

:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 12, 2008, 11:16:39 AM
Quote from: Greta on June 12, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
#7 - And why wouldn't that look like Grainger...?  ;)

So my first hunch, after your clue, was right...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 12:24:50 PM
Quote from: Greta on June 12, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
#7 - And why wouldn't that look like Grainger...?  ;)



Well, it seems I am wrong and it is Grainger, but FWIW my reasons for thinking not include: print style doesn't match any of my other Grainger scores (though they are all piano music) and has an American look which I haven't seen on his music before; and there are no convincingly extreme 'Graingerisms' which one would expect at such a dramatic conclusion - 'slow off' is pretty Grainger-y, but not to the extent that I can't see someone else using it; I'd expect at least a 'louden lots' somewhere round here!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: Maciek on June 12, 2008, 11:14:40 AM
You know, it had just dawned on me that this had to be the Czajkowski score you mentioned, and you had to come and ruin it all by revealing it before time! >:(

::)

:)

Yes, sorry 'bout the Chikeoffskee
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 12, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 12:25:41 PM
Yes, sorry 'bout the Chikeoffskee

I might have gotten it eventually. I really have heard it, but it's the kind of piece that goes in one ear and out the other . . . .  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 12, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 12, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
I might have gotten it eventually. I really have heard it, but it's the kind of piece that goes in one ear and out the other . . . .  :D

Not if the first time you heard it was Gilels.  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Greta on June 12, 2008, 04:37:30 PM
Luke is very perceptive! It is an American critical edition of that score. It was so big I could only get one page which didn't have so much "Grainger-speak" going on! Any idea what piece/mvmt?  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on June 12, 2008, 07:42:44 PM
Mystery7 is Grainger, Lincolnshire Posy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on June 12, 2008, 07:46:32 PM
Specifically, 5th movement, "Lord Melbourne"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 11:47:39 AM
I get the slightest hint that things are rather stuck. So here are some more clues to mine, though following Sforzando's practice, this time the clues aren't numbered.

One is a bit of a state. Not a state such as a funk, however, no....

One, very difficult but nearly easy, is in fact relatively so.  Belgian, so interesting clues are difficult to find  ;D ;D >:D >:D , though he died two days before Debussy.

One is an arrangement, by a composer with mental difficulties who tried to drown himself.

One is by the composer arranged

One is Shakespearean; it requires some heavenly music (and perhaps it gets it)

One is by a composer whose surname shares a monosyllable with the arranger, and three more syllables with a rampant horse.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 11:47:39 AM
I get the slightest hint that things are rather stuck. So here are some more clues to mine, though following Sforzando's practice, this time the clues aren't numbered.

One is a bit of a state. Not a state such as a funk, however, no....

One, very difficult but nearly easy, is in fact relatively so.  Belgian, so interesting clues are difficult to find  ;D ;D >:D >:D , though he died two days before Debussy.
- Théophile Ysaÿe. Théophile who?

One is an arrangement, by a composer with mental difficulties who tried to drown himself.
- Tchaikovsky arranged the Prize Song?

One is by the composer arranged
- Is that barless piano piece by Wagner?

One is Shakespearean; it requires some heavenly music (and perhaps it gets it)
- I'm wondering if 297 is the Ariel music from Egon Wellesz's Prospero's Spells. I must check with my CD. If so, I'd love to get a score to this work.

One is by a composer whose surname shares a monosyllable with the arranger, and three more syllables with a rampant horse.
- Too equine for me.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
- Théophile Ysaÿe. Théophile who?

;D Yes, younger brother of the more famous one, but no mean composer himself.

Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
Tchaikovsky arranged the Prize Song

Did he? Not here he didn't...

Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
- Is that barless piano piece by Wagner?

Yes, it is.

Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
- I'm wondering if 297 is the Ariel music from Egon Wellesz's Prospero's Spells. I must check with my CD. If so, I'd love to get a score to this work.

No, it's not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 12:51:24 PM

Is Sibelius's Tempest here?

Mental difficulties - drown himself - did Schumann arrange the Prize Song?

Wagner wrote an f# minor piano fantasy in 1831.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 15, 2008, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 01:09:41 PM
Is Sibelius's Tempest here?

Mental difficulties - drown himself - did Schumann arrange the Prize Song?

Impossible. Schumann was dead before the Prize Song was composed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:20:56 PM
But we know he had music dictated to him by angels.... 0:)


All these composers who tried to drown themselves.... >:D

Not Sibelius's Tempest either (you've got the right play, obviously)

The Wagner F# minor Fantasy is correct. An odd work...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 01:24:11 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 15, 2008, 01:13:52 PM
Impossible. Schumann was dead before the Prize Song was composed.

Yes, that does create a problem.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:26:16 PM
Maybe Wagner appropriated it from Schumann  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 15, 2008, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 01:24:11 PM
Yes, that does create a problem.

;D

Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:20:56 PM
But we know he had music dictated to him by angels.... 0:)

The solution.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:26:16 PM
Maybe Wagner appropriated it from Schumann  :o

That F minor orchestral piece must be the start of Tchaikovsky's The Tempest, op. 18. Will check my CDs, I don't think I have that score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 15, 2008, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:26:16 PM
Maybe Wagner appropriated it from Schumann  :o

Is that a hint?! (A handbag!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:29:18 PM
No, I'm just being mischievous. It's not Schumann, or Tchaikovsky. Another who attempted drowning.

Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
- Too equine for me.

It's an Italian rampant horse if that helps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 01:27:13 PM
That F minor orchestral piece must be the start of Tchaikovsky's The Tempest, op. 18. Will check my CDs, I don't think I have that score.

Yes! And that's the last Tchaikovsky one, you'll be pleased to hear. The atmospheric string figuration you see continues for quite some time - the sea/storm, obviously.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 15, 2008, 01:30:39 PM
It is the Tempest symphonic poem by Tchaikovsky!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest_(Tchaikovsky)



Late again...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:32:45 PM
TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 15, 2008, 01:38:04 PM
I have it! Hugo Wolf is the Wagner arranger! And Wolf-Ferrari is there, too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
Bullseye!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 15, 2008, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 01:29:18 PM
No, I'm just being mischievous. It's not Schumann, or Tchaikovsky. Another who attempted drowning.

It's an Italian rampant horse if that helps.

My good man, I know nothing about horse, Italian, rampant, or otherwise.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 15, 2008, 02:11:58 PM
Il cavallino rampante:

(http://newsblog.aboutitaly.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/150px-ferrari.png)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 16, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
Congratulations, Luke! Your little boy turned 4, this Bloomsday, iirc...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 01:23:55 PM
Yes, that's right! Might have to dig out some kind of Joycean score in his honour. (Of course he really appreciates such musico-literary japes, as should any self-respecting four-year-old)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 16, 2008, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 01:23:55 PM
Yes, that's right! Might have to dig out some kind of Joycean score in his honour. (Of course he really appreciates such musico-literary japes, as should any self-respecting four-year-old)

;D Matyas (spelling?) Seiber, Ulysses, would be apt... Or Moeran's setting of Chamber Music poems.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 02:25:08 PM
Here's one:

LO 303
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 02:40:44 PM
Seeing as my remaining ones have almost gone - the Wolf and the Theo Ysaye are left to identify, but that oughtn't be too hard; the name 'Wolf-Ferrari' needs to be attached to one of the remaining ones and then the piece identified, also not too hard I think; apart from that only one left, plus the Joycean new one - would anyone want any more? A set from the other end of the alphabet this time - I have them ready....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 16, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
I think I am the only one here... I suggest you do it tomorrow. Perhaps a bit fairer, too, on the others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 16, 2008, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 02:25:08 PM
Here's one:

LO 303

Looks like one of those Cagey I-Ching thingies.

I'm still here. But let me post a few too, as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 16, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
I think I am the only one here... I suggest you do it tomorrow. Perhaps a bit fairer, too, on the others.

Don't worry, wasn't suggesting doing it now! I'm off to bed in a minute - the birthday parties of small children to tend to take it out of one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 03:17:23 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 16, 2008, 03:09:26 PM
Looks like one of those Cagey I-Ching thingies.

Yes, of course - the first thing I thought of when looking for Joyce. This one 'sets' various syllables from the last lines of Finnegan's Wake. Care to be more specific about the title? It's just a generic one, and I wouldn't worry about the precise number allocated to this piece. (Somehow I don't think you will!)

Quote from: Sforzando on June 16, 2008, 03:09:26 PM
I'm still here. But let me post a few too, as soon as I can.

Please do! Only let me echo Johan - could you wait till there's more people around?

OK - off to bed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 16, 2008, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 03:14:23 PM
Don't worry, wasn't suggesting doing it now! I'm off to bed in a minute - the birthday parties of small children to tend to take it out of one!

I know... Goodnight!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on June 16, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
Here's a couple more from me.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 16, 2008, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 03:17:23 PM
Yes, of course - the first thing I thought of when looking for Joyce. This one 'sets' various syllables from the last lines of Finnegan's Wake. Care to be more specific about the title? It's just a generic one, and I wouldn't worry about the precise number allocated to this piece. (Somehow I don't think you will!)

Please do! Only let me echo Johan - could you wait till there's more people around?

OK - off to bed.

Bed? it's only 8:15 in the evening here. But I need some time to gather up a few scores and scan them anyway. Maybe tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 16, 2008, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 16, 2008, 04:14:29 PM
Bed? it's only 8:15 in the evening here.

Behind the times, I see....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:25:01 AM
Hey, Chrone - isn't your second new one from Hermann's score to Vertigo?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:27:49 AM
The opening credits, in fact - I've just checked! What an iconic score - do you have the whole thing?  8) 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 12:36:04 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:27:49 AM
The opening credits, in fact - I've just checked! What an iconic score - do you have the whole thing?  8) 8)

You're right... Stupid I didn't look earlier. Great score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:55:10 AM
Check this out, btw - http://www.filmscorerundowns.net/herrmann/vertigo.pdf

It's a practically note-by-note account of the score to Vertigo - I'm not exaggerating: everything is accounted for! This site appears to do this sort of thing for dozens of classic films! A slight waste of time - music 'notated' in this way hardly makes for compelling or lucid reading. I'd rather have the score.

I've got the film playing now, actually...  $:)  <---Scottie   :o  <-----Scottie at top of tall building
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 12:58:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:55:10 AM
Check this out, btw - http://www.filmscorerundowns.net/herrmann/vertigo.pdf

It's a practically note-by-note account of the score to Vertigo - I'm not exaggerating: everything is accounted for! This site appears to do this sort of thing for dozens of classic films! A slight waste of time - music 'notated' in this way hardly makes for compelling or lucid reading. I'd rather have the score.

I've got the film playing now, actually...  $:)  <---Scottie   :o  <-----Scottie at top of tall building

And the drop of the policeman...

Futile exercise, indeed - like one describing a meal.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 17, 2008, 02:11:03 AM
Never seen that one (or heard a Hermann score). I should probably be ashamed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 02:18:15 AM
Quote from: Guido on June 17, 2008, 02:11:03 AM
Never seen that one (or heard a Hermann score). I should probably be ashamed.

Want to hear something?

http://rapidshare.com/files/123044001/04_-_Vertigo__Prelude__Nightmare_.mp3

http://rapidshare.com/files/123044002/05_-_Vertigo__Scene_D_Amour_.mp3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 02:20:13 AM
Say yes, Guido - it's a great film, and its great music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 17, 2008, 03:50:58 AM
I recognize the tune in Chrone's no. 4 as the "Guadalcanal March" from Victory at Sea by Richard Rodgers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 04:02:56 AM
OK, Sforzando is hanging around, Mark is hanging around, Johan's probably not far away, Guido has been sighted....so more coming up in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 04:04:44 AM
All with composers whose names begin with a letter near the beginning of the alphabet...

LO 304, 305, 306, 307
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 04:05:59 AM
LO 308, 309, 310, 311
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 04:06:51 AM
LO 312, 313, 314, 315
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 04:08:53 AM
LO 316, 317, 318
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 04:13:05 AM
TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:01:31 AM
The most obvious one for me is 311, which is from Leonard Bernstein's score to Wonderful Town. (Wouldn't have expected that to be found in Luke's collection. I trust he recognizes that "football" here is an entirely different game from what we in the U.S. call "soccer."  :D )

And 316 is also Bernstein, from his song-cycle La Bonne Cuisine.

I wouldn't be surprised if the first one was from a Hummel piano trio.

For 313, there was a ballet on Krazy Kat by John Alden Carpenter.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:27:24 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:01:31 AM
The most obvious one for me is 311, which is from Leonard Bernstein's score to Wonderful Town. (Wouldn't have expected that to be found in Luke's collection. I trust he recognizes that "football" here is an entirely different game from what we in the U.S. call "soccer."  :D )

Yes, and of course I do. The rest of the world is well aware that you people use the wrong word. (Though it's a word of English invention, I believe)  ;D $:)

You ought to know by now that my collection includes all sorts of odd stuff!

Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:01:31 AMAnd 316 is also Bernstein, from his song-cycle La Bonne Cuisine.

Yep.

Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:01:31 AMI wouldn't be surprised if the first one was from a Hummel piano trio.

No. (And look at the instrumentation) (and 'Hummel' doesn't come from near the beginning of the alphabet)

Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:01:31 AMFor 313, there was a ballet on Krazy Kat by John Alden Carpenter.

There was, and this is it. Well done.

You know no. 307 too, for sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:42:48 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:27:24 AM
No. (And look at the instrumentation) (and 'Hummel' doesn't come from near the beginning of the alphabet)

Violin - cello - piano. And he comes from the first half of the alphabet, which is what I thought you were doing this time.

Oops - sorry, I missed that post about the beginning of the alphabet and all the other examples!


Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:27:24 AM
You know no. 307 too, for sure.

Ah yes. Must be the Berg clarinet pieces.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:53:31 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:42:48 AM
Violin - cello - piano.

No - violins 1 and 2, viola, cello/bass

Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:42:48 AMAh yes. Must be the Berg clarinet pieces.

Indeed  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:55:51 AM
There is a piano trio here, of course - 308 - but I hope you don't think it's Hummel. It may well be its composer's most famous work, FWIW - the only one of his that I have a recording of, anyway (actually two), though he's a well-known name. I believe this movement became so famous that it acquired a nickname. Let me check on that.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:57:25 AM
Yes, it did, but it includes the composer's name so I can't give it to you! Simply the 'so-called ????? waltz' as my liner notes refer to it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:58:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:55:51 AM
There is a piano trio here, of course - 308 - but I hope you don't think it's Hummel. It may well be its composer's most famous work, FWIW - the only one of his that I have a recording of, anyway (actually two), though he's a well-known name. I believe this movement became so famous that it acquired a nickname. Let me check on that.....

I was referring to 308, not 304. ('Cause I missed the post with 304-7, and the note about the beginning of the alphabet, etc.)

I hope you don't think it's Hummel.
It was just a guess! I'm not sure what it is yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 06:01:05 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 05:57:25 AM
Yes, it did, but it includes the composer's name so I can't give it to you! Simply the 'so-called ????? waltz' as my liner notes refer to it.

Honestly, I don't the piece. There's an "Arensky waltz," but inconveniently that's for two pianos.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 06:34:40 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 06:01:05 AM
Honestly, I don't the piece. There's an "Arensky waltz," but inconveniently that's for two pianos.

Yes, it is, Google tells me. And that's inconvenient for me, because, fortuitously, you've stumbled on the right composer! Which means, I think, that my liner notes are wrong - this trio doesn't contain the 'Arensky waltz' at all, it seems. But then, they come from a Brilliant CD, so what do you expect?  ;D

I will say, though, that this movement struck me very forcefully when I first heard it - it has most of the qualities that go to make up a 'popular classic'.

A formality, but which of Arensky's piano trios is this one, then?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 06:39:15 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 06:34:40 AM
Yes, it is, Google tells me. And that's inconvenient for me, because, fortuitously, you've stumbled on the right composer! Which means, I think, that my liner notes are wrong - this trio doesn't contain the 'Arensky waltz' at all, it seems. But then, they come from a Brilliant CD, so what do you expect?  ;D

I will say, though, that this movement struck me very forcefully when I first heard it - it has most of the qualities that go to make up a 'popular classic'.

A formality, but which of Arensky's piano trios is this one, then?

There's an Opus 32 Piano Trio No. 1 in D minor and and Opus 73 in F minor. I say opus 32!

Maybe he used the same waltz in both the trio and the suite!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 06:42:46 AM
Opus 32 is right. One of Arensky's most-played works, unlike the second trio, with some charming music - Schumann-meets-Tchaikovsky-meets-Rachmaninov. I don't think it shares material with the two piano piece, from what I've just read.

Just for clarity - 'end of the alphabet' meant W, X, Y, Z; 'beginning' means A, B, C.

(Because A-C is the first of my score-containing subfolders on my desktop, and T-Z is the last...  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 06:53:22 AM
Congrats to Sforzando.  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
Johan, one of 'your' composers is hiding in here somewhere....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 07:04:10 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
Johan, one of 'your' composers is hiding in here somewhere....

What!? I must look again...

I now see I have missed several of them...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:08:40 AM
Going out for about 4 hours. Hope you find some!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:09:24 AM
And get this thread up to the 3000 post mark whilst you're at it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:09:41 AM
Like I'm trying to do here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:09:54 AM
See?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 07:10:14 AM
#315, Alban Berg, Abschied
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:12:19 AM
Bloody hell, that was good! I've got quite a few of these very early Berg songs, but they're pretty obscure! Good work  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:13:35 AM
As so many have already been found (and to inch closer to 3000):
TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:16:04 AM
That Berg one wasn't the one I meant by 'one of 'your' composers', so that's still waiting for you (though of course you've as much right to Berg as anyone else  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 07:16:52 AM
And now I really must go.

Oh - 3000 posts!! Who'd have thought it!!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 07:20:03 AM
That #312 looks familiar...

Bye Bye. I'll study some more...

Even I don't know everything by 'my' composers. Could Alfvén be there?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 11:20:46 AM
Well, he's one of 'yours', and he starts with an A. So he could.


But he's not.

312 wasn't the one I was thinking of - going by my own composer-GMGer associations that's a Guido piece!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 11:26:01 AM
Actually, that's not a bad idea (I tried it once before as a matter of fact) - here are my 'GMG associations' for some of my remaining scores. I stress, though, that this doesn't mean only these GMGers will know either the composer or the piece, only that their posting history has led me particularly to associate them with the composer.

305 - Karl
306 - Larry, were he around
309 - Greg
312 - Guido
one of the others - Johan  ;D  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 17, 2008, 11:58:40 AM
ok, Luke, is 309 something by Schnittke?

It looks like a wild one! the figures themselves resemble a bit of Prokofiev's style- like in the LH of the 5/4- ultra wide back and forth skips, and the beaming over the bar at the end. If not Schnittke, it seems to me it'd be someone Russian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:50:25 PM
Not Schnittke, not Russian. Otherwise, you are correct  ;D :P >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:50:51 PM
Wild is certainly the correct word, however.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:50:51 PM
Wild is certainly the correct word, however.

We need to be in the first four letters of the alphabet, GGGGGGGGGRRRRREEEEEEGGGG (hoped I've spelled that right).  I wonder if this is Henry Cowell. That left-hand part looks like murder for your 5-4 fingers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 12:56:27 PM
No, but we're in the right country now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on June 17, 2008, 12:57:38 PM
Mark is correct, Chrone4 is the Guadalcanal March from the "Victory at Sea" score by Richard Rodgers.

And of course Luke nailed Chrone5 as one of my all-time faves, the Prelude to "Vertigo" by Herrmann.

Good work, guys!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 17, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 12:52:55 PM
We need to be in the first four letters of the alphabet, GGGGGGGGGRRRRREEEEEEGGGG (hoped I've spelled that right).  I wonder if this is Henry Cowell. That left-hand part looks like murder for your 5-4 fingers.
Ah, ok........ an early Carter work?

btw, it's 4 3 2 1 GGGG RRR EE G
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 01:01:49 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on June 17, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
Ah, ok........ an early Carter work?

Nope, much more wild, less controlled.

Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on June 17, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
btw, it's 4 3 2 1 GGGG RRR EE G

Interesting. A Blacher-like progression....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 01:03:58 PM
I've just done a GMG-wide search on this composer's name and, as I suspected, only GGGGRRREEG (how's that!) has mentioned him. Though we know how misleading that search engine's results can be, and I'm sure he's been mentioned much more than that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 17, 2008, 01:15:46 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 01:03:58 PM
I've just done a GMG-wide search on this composer's name and, as I suspected, only GGGGRRREEG (how's that!) has mentioned him. Though we know how misleading that search engine's results can be, and I'm sure he's been mentioned much more than that.
wow, looks like i should get this one, then!  :D

just a sec......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 17, 2008, 01:24:31 PM
i can't think of anyone.......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 01:28:52 PM
Bad boy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 17, 2008, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 01:28:52 PM
Bad boy.
antheil!  :D

which work............... uhhhhhhhhh
has to be one of these, none which i've heard:
Quote
# Piano Sonata No. 1
# Piano Sonata No. 2
# Piano Sonata No. 3 (1947)
# Piano Sonata No. 4 (1948)
or a piano work not listed at wikipedia.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 02:01:39 PM
I think Alkan is the 'Johan composer'... ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on June 17, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
Ah, ok........ an early Carter work?

btw, it's 4 3 2 1 GGGG RRR EE G

Too symmetrical.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 11:26:01 AM
Actually, that's not a bad idea (I tried it once before as a matter of fact) - here are my 'GMG associations' for some of my remaining scores. I stress, though, that this doesn't mean only these GMGers will know either the composer or the piece, only that their posting history has led me particularly to associate them with the composer.

305 - Karl
306 - Larry, were he around
309 - Greg
312 - Guido
one of the others - Johan  ;D  >:D

I remember Larry was deeply into Beethoven, but I'm not ready to identify this as Beethoven. It's clearly for violin and piano in Classical style, but it's not from any of the standard 10 sonatas or the G major rondo, the only WoO I know for that instrumentation. So I'm stumped for now on that one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 17, 2008, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 02:11:48 PM
Too symmetrical.
I know, I wanted to make the pattern obvious, though it's not too much unless you look closely.
As I said before (on a deleted post), i had in mind the ending of the Shostakovich 14th (a speed up), except this my name would be the opposite- a slowing down. Of letters.


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 17, 2008, 02:01:39 PM
I think Alkan is the 'Johan composer'... ?

Really? Can't say I associate him with you, no. No Alkan here. BTW, don't want to mislead you - earlier, I didn't say that 'yours' started with an A, I said he could start with an A. So don't limit yourself to the Alfvens and Alkans of this world.

Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 02:19:36 PM
I remember Larry was deeply into Beethoven, but I'm not ready to identify this as Beethoven. It's clearly for violin and piano in Classical style, but it's not from any of the standard 10 sonatas or the G major rondo, the only WoO I know for that instrumentation. So I'm stumped for now on that one.

Might need to rethink some (well, one) of the assumptions in this paragraph.

GGGGRRREEG - yes, it's Antheil. Glad you got my 'bad boy' clue and didn't just think I was scolding you! Might be one of the ones you mentioned, I can't remember - I'm not at the right computer to check at the moment! I'll let you know in the morning  ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 17, 2008, 02:55:13 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 17, 2008, 02:18:15 AM
Want to hear something?

http://rapidshare.com/files/123044001/04_-_Vertigo__Prelude__Nightmare_.mp3

http://rapidshare.com/files/123044002/05_-_Vertigo__Scene_D_Amour_.mp3

Wow that is great stuff! Cheers!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 03:03:44 PM
You're welcome, Guido. I wanted to make them Direct Downloads, but I have used those up at Rapidshare. It must have taken more time.

Luke - any Bax there in #314? (#315 is Berg, not #314...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 17, 2008, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 17, 2008, 03:03:44 PM
You're welcome, Guido. I wanted to make them Direct Downloads, but I have used those up at Rapidshare. It must have taken more time.

Luke - any Bax there in #314? (#315 is Berg, not #314...)

No they had some kind of 'happy hour' according to the site - was able to download both instantly.

According to my itunes 'Guido' composers from A-C (i.e. those which I have most recordings of) are Ades, Bach, Barber, Bartok, Beethoven, Brahms, Bridge and Carter. I don't think 312 is any of the more famous ones (and I rarely talk about them here)... Of Barber's the only thing I think it could be would be the Souvenirs for piano (maybe the hesitation Tango as it has some Tango features)... But I really need to give it more thought.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 17, 2008, 03:12:30 PM
A nice Vertigo link, Guido:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1ukxgNgyPU
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 17, 2008, 03:47:46 PM
Yes I'm certain it's Barber's Hesitation Tango now having listened through all of the piece. I had, until now, dismissed this whole suite as minor Barber - entertaining trifles, and had never really listened to it that focussedly. But as I listened through it just now, I am again struck by Barber's genius for perfectly combining harmony, melody and rhythm in such an elegant and beautiful way, and always perfectly suited to the situation. So while this may be 'light music' and light compared to, say the Cello Concerto or Piano Sonata, within it's own genre it is an absolutely supreme example of this type of music. The era that he perfectly conjures seems to hark back to an earlier time (maybe the 20s?) and its not an ironic pastiche either. Barber's Excursions for piano are similar in a sense in that they are his only foray into the Jazz/classical genre, and yet he masters this hybrid style with incredible elan and brilliance - as good as (or better than) any of his American contemporaries who plumbed this route more thoroughly. In both these cases, the voice is still unmistakably Barber's while completely assimilating the alien style into his own sound world - another testament to his creativity and genius as an artist.

Thanks Luke for making me reconsider this work!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
Might need to rethink some (well, one) of the assumptions in this paragraph.

Let's narrow down, then. I think it's Beethoven.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 17, 2008, 05:13:11 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
Let's narrow down, then. I think it's Beethoven.

I wouldn't wait up pocosfz... It's 2.11am here!

Good night!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: Guido on June 17, 2008, 05:13:11 PM
I wouldn't wait up pocosfz... It's 2.11am here!

Good night!

While some sleep, others upload.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:33:19 PM
Four more:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:39:46 PM
Note btw that sfz50 gives you only a bit of the whole texture. If you know it, the piece is unmistakable. If I provided the entire score, it would be child's play.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 10:46:17 PM
These look interesting! Thanks. Some first attempts, one by one as I come up with them:

58 - Bernstein, Songfest?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 10:46:58 PM
The last one, 60, looks a bit like Grieg - the Slatter, perhaps. I need to check....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
Yes, it is, no 3 (Slatter = 'Norwegian Peasant Dances', op 72)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 10:51:55 PM
56 - Copland, 12 Dickinson Songs
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
52 - Puccini, La Rondine
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 11:00:56 PM
A brief hiatus in the score-identifying...

Quote from: Guido on June 17, 2008, 03:11:10 PM
According to my itunes 'Guido' composers from A-C (i.e. those which I have most recordings of) are Ades, Bach, Barber, Bartok, Beethoven, Brahms, Bridge and Carter. I don't think 312 is any of the more famous ones (and I rarely talk about them here)... Of Barber's the only thing I think it could be would be the Souvenirs for piano (maybe the hesitation Tango as it has some Tango features)... But I really need to give it more thought.

Quote from: Guido on June 17, 2008, 03:47:46 PM
Yes I'm certain it's Barber's Hesitation Tango now having listened through all of the piece. I had, until now, dismissed this whole suite as minor Barber - entertaining trifles, and had never really listened to it that focussedly. But as I listened through it just now, I am again struck by Barber's genius for perfectly combining harmony, melody and rhythm in such an elegant and beautiful way, and always perfectly suited to the situation. So while this may be 'light music' and light compared to, say the Cello Concerto or Piano Sonata, within it's own genre it is an absolutely supreme example of this type of music. The era that he perfectly conjures seems to hark back to an earlier time (maybe the 20s?) and its not an ironic pastiche either. Barber's Excursions for piano are similar in a sense in that they are his only foray into the Jazz/classical genre, and yet he masters this hybrid style with incredible elan and brilliance - as good as (or better than) any of his American contemporaries who plumbed this route more thoroughly. In both these cases, the voice is still unmistakably Barber's while completely assimilating the alien style into his own sound world - another testament to his creativity and genius as an artist.

Thanks Luke for making me reconsider this work!

No problem Guido! That was some pretty awesome deductive work, if I may say so. Spot on, of course.

Meanwhile...

Quote from: Sforzando on June 17, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
Let's narrow down, then. I think it's Beethoven.

Correct.

Back to the scores....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 17, 2008, 11:12:25 PM
Maybe later - have to get the kids ready for school!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 12:21:09 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 17, 2008, 03:03:44 PM
Luke - any Bax there in #314?

Sorry, missed this - yes, you are right  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 12:25:36 AM
Taking into account the new ones, but not including the names of the ones I've identified as Sforzando hasn't confirmed yet:
TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 01:32:50 AM
51 is (obviously) Ich ruf zu dir, Herr Jesus Christ - composer = Schutz, SWV 326, from his Kleine geistliche Konzerte
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 01:42:49 AM
Oh yes, GGGGRRREEG, one of your Antheil guesses was right on my 309 - it's his second sonata, 'The Airplane'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 18, 2008, 01:51:56 AM
#314 is a Piano Quintet. Bax?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 18, 2008, 01:56:59 AM
It doesn't look like piano writing to me - could it be a harp part? There seem to be 'o's above some of the notes - possibly harmonics - Also would Bax have written a gliss in a piano part? Seems unlikely. So my guess is that it is a harp quintet (?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 02:04:40 AM
Oh, Guido, that's good! You've snuck it from under Johan's nose. I deliberately chose a page that looks a bit piano-ish, but which on closer inspection reveals itself to be a harp part. The clues to that are:

1) the harmonics, as Guido says
2) the gliss is un-Bax-like, as ditto
3) the gliss is also unplayable on the piano (it mixes white and black notes)
4) some of the chords are too wide-spread to lie easily on the piano, and just don't look like piano writing
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 18, 2008, 02:06:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 02:04:40 AM
Oh, Guido, that's good! You've snuck it from under Johan's nose. I deliberately chose a page that looks a bit piano-ish, but which on closer inspection reveals itself to be a harp part. The clues to that are:

1) the harmonics, as Guido says
2) the gliss is un-Bax-like, as ditto
3) the gliss is also unplayable on the piano (it mixes white and black notes)
4) some (well, one) of the chords are too wide-spread to lie easily on the piano

Cheers!

(Sorry Johan!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 18, 2008, 02:11:40 AM
Quote from: Guido on June 18, 2008, 02:06:45 AM
Cheers!

(Sorry Johan!)

You crafty Anglo-Dutch-Czech... composer!

I should have looked better. That glissando is a dead giveaway...  :(  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 02:12:57 AM
Sorry. To make amends, here's another. This one really is a piano quintet! And easy too, I think - only one composer writes scores that look like this:

LO 319

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 03:17:40 AM
Luke has gotten 5 out of 5 (it's actually 8 Dickinson Poems, but who's counting). The Rondine excerpt was a gift. At least one of mine is very hard. No clues just yet, it's too early.

Sfz49, btw, has a signature of three sharps. Part of the page got chewed up by the scanner.

I must look more closely at that Beethoven to isolate it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on June 18, 2008, 05:31:27 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 01:42:49 AM
Oh yes, GGGGRRREEG, one of your Antheil guesses was right on my 309 - it's his second sonata, 'The Airplane'
doesn't hurt to make 4 guesses, does it?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 05:40:43 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 03:17:40 AM
I must look more closely at that Beethoven to isolate it.

It's probably the sort of thing you'll think of as a pot-boiler, like the Stravinsky Tango!

And I'd advise you, again, to be careful of making assumptions about this piece, otherwise it will be very hard to get.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 18, 2008, 06:08:29 AM
Luke - is the Beethoven one of those early (1795-1796) sonatas for mandolin and harpsichord? It's not the one that I have played but looks rather similar in style and layout. It could be the Andante con Variazione, or one of the (I think two) sonatas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 06:21:17 AM
Quote from: Guido on June 18, 2008, 06:08:29 AM
Luke - is the Beethoven one of those early (1795-1796) sonatas for mandolin and harpsichord? It's not the one that I have played but looks rather similar in style and layout. It could be the Andante con Variazione, or one of the (I think two) sonatas.

The last system of the excerpt looks very violinistic, but conceivably it's for the mandolin. I can't find any of the violin-keyboard music that matches, and I would guess it's an early WoO. If so, it looks more to me like the central section of a rondo finale, rather than a set of variations.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 06:35:30 AM
Once again, as with the Bax harp piece above, Guido is bang on the money at instrument-spotting. The mandolin is tuned exactly as the violin IIRC, which means that both performing and composing technique are in some respects easily transferable from one to the other. Therefore that 'violinistic figuration' is equally 'mandolinistic' - in either case, looked at another way, it's just a kind of 'Alberti' figuration. Again, that's why I chose this page - to send you down the wrong path of thinking it's a violin piece.  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 06:37:58 AM
It's none of the pieces Guido mentioned, but obviously he's not far off - within a WoO number or two!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 06:41:02 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 06:21:17 AM
If so, it looks more to me like the central section of a rondo finale, rather than a set of variations.

I agree that it does look like that, but I think the answer might surprise you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 18, 2008, 07:12:12 AM
Beethoven, Sonatina for mandolin in c minor (1795)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 07:14:26 AM
No.

Serves you right for trying to steal it!  ;D ;D  >:D >:D :P :P

:-*
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 18, 2008, 07:18:24 AM
Andante mit Variationen?

Still trying, pirate that I am.  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 07:19:39 AM
No.

Still trying to repel boarders at this end  $:)

There's only a choice of about four pieces, so in the end you'll get it, I suppose.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 18, 2008, 07:22:33 AM
Yes, two left...  0:)

<Pirate is sailing away, clasping a Bible in his shriveled hand>
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 07:29:47 AM
WoO 43a: Sonatina for mandolin and harpsichord, c
WoO 43b: Adagio for mandolin and harpsichord, Eb
WoO 44a: Sonatina for mandolin and piano, C
WoO 44b: Andante and variations for mandolin and harpsichord, D

And how 'bout the rest of mine?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 07:31:26 AM
The Adagio is your guess?

Correct! - It doesn't look much like an Adagio, does it? Hence the previous guesses, I suppose.

The rest of yours? Well, I've done 5, so it's time somebody else had a crack at 'em!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 07:35:50 AM
Updated, TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 07:44:29 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 07:31:26 AM
The Adagio is your guess?

Correct! - It doesn't look much like an Adagio, does it? Hence the previous guesses, I suppose.

Without tempo marking, I assumed Allegro.


Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 07:31:26 AM
The rest of yours? Well, I've done 5, so it's time somebody else had a crack at 'em!

Well, I've gotten 5-6 of your last set too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 07:47:45 AM
I'll pat your back if you pat mine!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 08:02:39 AM
First clue: a composer can be used more than once, no?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 18, 2008, 08:05:31 AM
This is an outrage! One I could actually get faster than a Beethoven addict, and he just happens to jump in at the last minute after guessing the only piece I hadn't mentioned before I could get back from getting my exam results. I'll just console myself with my 2.1(!)

(Sort of criminal that I got a 2.1 given the miniscule amount of revision that I did (10 minutes for a Philosophy exam!), but maybe I'm just naturally brilliant. Yes that has to be it.)

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 08:09:18 AM
Quote from: Guido on June 18, 2008, 08:05:31 AM
This is an outrage! One I could actually get faster than a Beethoven addict, and he just happens to jump in at the last minute after guessing the only piece I hadn't mentioned before I could get back from getting my exam results. I'll just console myself with my 2.1(!)

(Sort of criminal that I got a 2.1 given the miniscule amount of revision that I did (10 minutes for a Philosophy exam!), but maybe I'm just naturally brilliant. Yes that has to be it.)

;D ;D ;D


Now, now. There's one of mine that should be right up your street. Better yet if there were two of you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 18, 2008, 08:11:11 AM
Yeah... I've been trying to work it out, but have had no luck yet. I need inspiration!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 09:18:30 AM
Congrats on the 2.1, Guido! That's what I got in my first year, though only 0.25% off a First [/i] (you are still in your first year, aren't you? Time travels in strange ways out here in Norfolk....). 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 09:19:35 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 08:09:18 AM

Now, now. There's one of mine that should be right up your street. Better yet if there were two of you.

This is a cryptic clue about the cello duet one, I presume! I haven't been able to track it down yet either. American?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 09:31:59 AM
I reckon that Et vitam venturi Mass setting is the Puccini Messa di Gloria....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on June 18, 2008, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 09:18:30 AM
Congrats on the 2.1, Guido! That's what I got in my first year, though only 0.25% off a First [/i] (you are still in your first year, aren't you? Time travels in strange ways out here in Norfolk....). 

Cheers Luke! I'm in my second year.

Time has flown by... at least I am doing a 4 year course so I have a lot of time left. It was more than a year and a half ago when we had disagreements over which of the Walton concertos was best!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 09:31:59 AM
I reckon that Et vitam venturi Mass setting is the Puccini Messa di Gloria....

Yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 10:44:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 09:19:35 AM
This is a cryptic clue about the cello duet one, I presume! I haven't been able to track it down yet either. American?

That is a cryptic clue indeed, and probably won't help in the slightest. This one is really pretty obscure. I know very little about the composer, but he has taught recently in American universities (and may still). His name sounds Anglo, but could be German. The title of the piece, however (and of the suite from which it is taken), is in another familiar language.

Good luck, and it is a distinct pleasure to know that some of mine are stumping you. Several of the unguessed ones are from very well-known composers (i.e., far better known than Boris Blacher, etc.).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 10:44:21 AM
Good luck, and it is a distinct pleasure to know that some of mine are stumping you. Several of the unguessed ones are from very well-known composers (i.e., far better known than Boris Blacher, etc.).

...but less well known than Flothuis or Richard Hoffmann, is that what you are saying?  ;D ;)

Still, glad you eventually identified the piece by that German geezer Batehovun, or whatever he's called.   >:D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
...but less well known than Flothuis or Richard Hoffmann, is that what you are saying?  ;D ;)

Yeah . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
Great.....  :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
Great.....  :-\

A little taste of thy own medicine...

But while Europe sleeps, a few more from me - a mixture of the ridiculously easy, the reasonably challenging, and the nearly impossible.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 05:19:20 PM
Those last few shouldn't be too bad. Three more:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 05:21:23 PM
Remember, you can click the image to enlarge it. (On my monitor, some of those clips give a new meaning to the phrase, "miniature score.")
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 05:22:56 PM
Those last three shouldn't be too hard at all. More:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 05:26:05 PM
One of the above is tough, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
Last for now:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 11:27:02 PM
You always complain when I follow up a big lot of new scores with another one so soon! Not me, however.....

Unfortunately I only have couple of minutes free as I should be getting the kids ready to go to school again. So only time to do a couple

66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box?
67 - Bernstein - Candide
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music
72 - Falla - El retablo de Maese Pedro (one of my favourite Falla pieces!)
74 - feel like I should get this one...  :-[
75 - Berlioz - La mort de Cleopatre
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 18, 2008, 11:27:22 PM
Do some proper looking later....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 19, 2008, 01:03:54 AM
#74 is Beethoven's 'Ah perfido'... That's an easy one, of course!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 01:55:57 AM
I'm more than unsure of this as I can't really recall much about the piece, and I don't have a way of checking here at work, but just to get a guess in on no 62, is it the Dvorak G major Quintet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 01:57:48 AM
No, it's not, is the answer you're looking for - that's not a two viola one; I think the extra instrument is a double bass, in fact.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 02:17:01 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 01:57:48 AM
No, it's not, is the answer you're looking for - that's not a two viola one; I think the extra instrument is a double bass, in fact.

Not a 2-viola one? Check the bracing.

All others identified so far are correct. But delighted to see you're having a bit of trouble with 62, and hopefully a few more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 02:32:22 AM
I mean the Dvorak's not a two viola one. Which is why I discounted it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 02:34:26 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 02:17:01 AM
But delighted to see you're having a bit of trouble with 62, and hopefully a few more.

Revelling in the trials of others  :o How unedifying  ;D ;) Did I mention, btw, that there are still plenty of mine remaining  ;D >:D

Going to be able to set about Sfz's new one a bit better in a few hours.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 04:28:06 AM
Updated, TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
I believe I am blind!

[slaps forehead]69 = An American in Paris (Gershwin)

Obvious as soon as I looked at it properly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 05:30:37 AM
I've obviously been concentrating on the tricky ones too much - another one that was easy as soon as I looked at it properly - no 65: Verdi String Quartet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 05:37:22 AM
64 looks like Hindemith - I'm guessing Der Schwanendreher which is for reduced forces without upper strings as this piece appears to be. Also has a 'Sehr ruhig' second movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 05:41:24 AM
Yes, it is - just checked it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 05:50:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
I believe I am blind!

[slaps forehead]69 = An American in Paris (Gershwin)

Obvious as soon as I looked at it properly.

Ha-ha! that's what happens - you see something out of context and it doesn't come into focus right away. Three more correct identifications for Luke.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 05:59:13 AM
63 seems to be for the same forces as Chausson's Concert for Violin, String Quartet and Piano, and confusingly it even seems to share some motivic material with the last movement of that piece. But it doesn't look like Chausson at all, and what's more I'm listening to the piece unable to find any passages that match. So it probably isn't that one, but it's worth a go!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 19, 2008, 06:12:14 AM
63 is Prokofiev's Overture on Hebrew Themes. The top line, which looks like another violin part, is actually a  clarinet. Prokofiev always notated his scores in concert pitch.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 06:14:33 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on June 19, 2008, 06:12:14 AM
63 is Prokofiev's Overture on Hebrew Themes. The top line, which looks like another violin part, is actually a  clarinet. Prokofiev always notated his scores in concert pitch.

The low F at letter 34 should have poked a hole in the violin theory. Mark of course is correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 19, 2008, 06:18:15 AM
68 is from Sondheim's A Little Night Music. The "Soon/Later/Now" trio.

Luke already got that one, so "never mind..."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 06:28:52 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 06:14:33 AM
The low F at letter 34 should have poked a hole in the violin theory. Mark of course is correct.

Oh, that's an F. I thought is was a G!  ;D

That's a work I always mean to get round to hearing. Wish I had now!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 06:40:26 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 06:28:52 AM
Oh, that's an F. I thought is was a G!  ;D

It's just one note . . .

Meanwhile, there are more of mine for the picking, and some from very well-known composers. Clues start tonight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 07:28:55 AM
Extremely wild guess on 70 - Karel Husa, Symphony no 1  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 07:32:15 AM
Scrub that. It's wrong.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 07:41:28 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 19, 2008, 07:32:15 AM
Scrub that. It's wrong.

I know. But this composer's first name also starts with a K.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 19, 2008, 05:18:10 PM
My clues will start simply. I reiterate that there may be more than one work by any of my composers.

For one or two of my pieces, it may also help to think of breakfast foods and condiments. This clue may be more suggestive to Americans than to Europeans, but we'll see where this goes, lads.

A little bit more information has been provided for Sfz50; namely, I've given the first violin part too, which was truncated in the original upload. I have still left out the main melody, for reasons that will become clear when I confirm the answer, which should now be much easier. You can see now too that when clarinet and bassoon switch to 2/4, the strings (and hidden melody line!) continue in 6/8. Identifying what the winds are playing here should go a long way towards identifying the excerpt. Or perhaps not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 20, 2008, 09:48:02 AM
Sfz50 is from The Mikado (G & S of course), in fact it's the Mikado's song when he's singing about "Bach interwoven with Spohr and Beethoven".

It's interesting that this edition uses B flat clarinet here, when I distinctly remember playing it on the clarinet in A.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 20, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on June 20, 2008, 09:48:02 AM
Sfz50 is from The Mikado (G & S of course), in fact it's the Mikado's song when he's singing about "Bach interwoven with Spohr and Beethoven".

It's interesting that this edition uses B flat clarinet here, when I distinctly remember playing it on the clarinet in A.

And it is The Mikado of course. I didn't want to make it too obvious at the start, as revealing all the parts would have made it a giveaway. I am using the new Dover publication of the full score (they're also done Pinafore and Pirates), which seems like a very responsible edition - not in this case a typical Dover reprint of a public domain publication of questionable accuracy. The use of a B-flat clarinet seemed odd to me too, and I'll have to see if the editors say anything about it. Interesting too that Sullivan also had only one bassoon as his disposal.

Bonus points (for what they're worth) for identifying the piece quoted by the clarinet and bassoon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 20, 2008, 07:34:59 PM
Bach BWV 541 in G minor (fugue)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 20, 2008, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on June 20, 2008, 07:34:59 PM
Bach BWV 5412 in G minor (fugue)

:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 20, 2008, 07:36:29 PM
Actually it's BWV 542
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 20, 2008, 07:36:56 PM
(redundant post deleted)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:31:54 PM
Well, I don't know where Sforzando has disappeared to, but I for one need my dose of this thread. So, more scores from me. Sorry.

Some of them are very easy, and I'm not just saying that - there are some in here which come from extremely well-known works. Though I've chosen slightly less obvious passages from them, of course....

LO 320 - there's a 320a too, which is by the same composer, and which I might give later, if you don't get this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:33:01 PM
LO 321 and 322
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:33:39 PM
LO 323
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:34:21 PM
LO 324
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
LO 325
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:35:32 PM
LO 326
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
LO 327
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:36:50 PM
LO 328 (last one for now)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:39:31 PM
Updated, TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)

Some clues to Sforzando's scores (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197894.html#msg197894)
....and some more (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199354.html#msg199354)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 22, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:31:54 PM
Well, I don't know where Sforzando has disappeared to, but I for one need my dose of this thread. So, more scores from me. Sorry.

I'm still here! waiting for identifications on the rest of my scores. #327 is Shosty's Db major from the op. 87 preludes and fugues. More later I hope.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 22, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
I'm still here! waiting for identifications on the rest of my scores.

You might need to give us thickos a few more clues.... ;D

Quote from: Sforzando on June 22, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
#327 is Shosty's Db major from the op. 87 preludes and fugues. More later I hope.

Yes, of course you are right - what an incredible piece this is. Robin Holloway used to play us this one back to back with the A major fugue from the same set, just to show the extremes of texture that can fall under the word 'fugue'.

When you say 'more later' do you mean more guesses from you or more scores? I hope the former, as I can't stay up much longer than this!!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 22, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:46:31 PM
You might need to give us thickos a few more clues.... ;D

Yes, of course you are right - what an incredible piece this is. Robin Holloway used to play us this one back to back with the A major fugue from the same set, just to show the extremes of texture that can fall under the word 'fugue'.

When you say 'more later' do you mean more guesses from you or more scores? I hope the former, as I can't stay up much longer than this!!  ;)

Both! but wait until tomorrow. It must be past 2 in the morning where you are now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 23, 2008, 03:06:06 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 22, 2008, 03:46:31 PM
You might need to give us thickos a few more clues.... ;D

But I don't see you guys yet making use of the clues I've given! at least three of my unidentified excerpts are by composers already present in my two last sets, and one by a composer present in one of Luke's recent sets. And while I don't know what you Brits eat for breakfast each day (I hope it's not that ghastly English breakfast I was served in my London hotel each morning ten years ago), thinking of breakfast food should go a long day towards cracking one or two of my harder eggs, especially if you like your eggs scrambled as I do. (For what it's worth: supposedly Escoffier, in scrambling eggs in butter for Sarah Bernhardt, stirred them with a knife on which he had impaled a bit of garlic. Sarah loved the result, but Escoffier never revealed his secret.)

Finally Guido, in the course of identifying Barber's Tango, has inadvertently provided the name of another of my (very famous) composers.

55 will be tough, no doubt, but it is for two cellos. 54 - well, figuring out the instrumentation will tell you everything. It is a well-known piece by a famous composer. But doesn't something about the layout of that score look very unusual - almost as if something you'd normally expect is missing?

And of course there are clues all over the place in the above paragraphs, as well as a few false leads. Sinister, aren't I?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 23, 2008, 03:15:34 AM
LO 328 looks like the scherzo of Sibelius 2nd symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 23, 2008, 03:46:54 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on June 23, 2008, 03:15:34 AM
LO 328 looks like the scherzo of Sibelius 2nd symphony.

Only problem is, I'm just checking through my score and it's not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 23, 2008, 03:50:34 AM
But 326 is from the (not very slow) slow movement of Prokofiev's Classical Symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on June 23, 2008, 05:15:54 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 23, 2008, 03:46:54 AM
Only problem is, I'm just checking through my score and it's not.

Probably because it's (328) actually the finale of Sibelius' 3rd.

(Yes this is my final answer).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2008, 06:43:42 AM
And it's correct! As I thought - a well-known and important passage from a famous work, but somehow it fails to register immediately when one sees it (it's the same for me, that's why I thought I'd try it out on the rest of you!)

I'd love the chance to get stuck into Sforzando's clues, but I'm up to my eyeballs in end-of-school-year work at the moment, and really ought to be working on it all every free minute. I predict, though, that 'The Lure of the Score' will drag me away from what I should be doing later tonight. Curses!  ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2008, 06:44:57 AM
Sfz's right on the Prokofiev too, of course. The ones identified are those I thought were the easier, it's true, but the others are not all impossible. And clues will be given in a day or two...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 23, 2008, 06:51:51 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2008, 06:44:57 AM
Sfz's right on the Prokofiev too, of course. The ones identified are those I thought were the easier, it's true, but the others are not all impossible. And clues will be given in a day or two...

325 looks a bit like a Ligeti etude, though I'm away from my scores now and I'm far from certain about this anyway.

Surprised my 54 is giving so much trouble. I think I could have identified this one with one hand tied behind my back.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2008, 12:24:46 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 23, 2008, 03:06:06 AM

54 - well, figuring out the instrumentation will tell you everything. It is a well-known piece by a famous composer. But doesn't something about the layout of that score look very unusual - almost as if something you'd normally expect is missing?

Without checking - the CD is all the way on the other side of the room for goodness skae, I'm going to guess that this is Prokofiev (actually I'd already tried him out) - piano concerto no 4, the left hand one.

Actually, I did just check, and I'm right.

This score was obviously Russian, and the style looked like Prokofiev, or perhaps Shostakovich. For some reason - probably that I'm obviously brain-dead at the moment - I didn't consider the left hand work. Having discounted the various cello-and-orchestra possibilities (couldn't be violin - look at the bass clef right at the end of the sample) I was stumped.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2008, 12:26:05 PM
LOL - only just saw Sfozando's 'one hand behind back' clue!!

My 325 isn't Ligeti. Fairly obscure, this one, a balletic piece in some ways.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2008, 12:53:51 PM
Is that scrambled eggs Massenet or scrambled eggs Rossini? Or indeed à l'arlésienne? Or more than one of the above? Or none?    ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 23, 2008, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 23, 2008, 12:53:51 PM
Is that scrambled eggs Massenet or scrambled eggs Rossini? Or indeed à l'arlésienne? Or more than one of the above? Or none?    ;D

None of the above. Just think about any possible puns on eggs cooked in butter.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 03:43:34 AM
I have no idea what you're on about. I rarely eat breakfast.....


(btw, put your mind at rest - I think the only people who eat the kind of Full English you underwent in that London hotel are tourists. And truckers.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 04:12:47 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 03:43:34 AM
I have no idea what you're on about. I rarely eat breakfast.....


(btw, put your mind at rest - I think the only people who eat the kind of Full English you underwent in that London hotel are tourists. And truckers.)

A few more clues as to my unguessed ones:

1) To what you said, that's a relief.
2) A couple of them by a very great composer have higher opus numbers than their dates of composition would imply.
3) Two are by British composers, whose last names begin with the same letter.
4) One of the more obscure composers has the same nationality as one of mine that had been recently guessed.
5) Rampant horses? Luke's not the only one who can play that secretive game.
6) Another standard of the ballet repertoire is probably less known among music lovers, but he's been in my list before.
7) Eggs, butter . . . this clue must be worth something, lads.
8) What composer does Guido inadvertently name when identifying the Hesitation Tango?
9) Can't hear you, speak louder! (What, you too?)
10) My first name begins with a K, but my composition has something in common with that Gottfried von Einem fiasco of two weeks ago.
11) PS: could that be someone's initials? Could that even be the outer letters of a well-known city?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 04:15:59 AM
Thanks - those look tantalising. One thing before I get stuck in - are those clues in any sort of order relative to the scores? Or are they, as knowing you I suspect they are, merely random?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 04:16:36 AM
OK, now I look I see that the latter is indeed the case....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 04:24:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 04:15:59 AM
Thanks - those look tantalising. One thing before I get stuck in - are those clues in any sort of order relative to the scores? Or are they, as knowing you I suspect they are, merely random?

I wouldn't say "merely" random. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 04:32:47 AM
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for String Quintet op 137. Beethoven was my very first thought when I saw this one, too, but I didn't uncover this piece. No idea why not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 04:50:45 AM
Is one of these Massenet....?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 05:17:21 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 04:50:45 AM
Is one of these Massenet....?

The LvB is correct. It was written in 1817 and published posthumously; it's a tiny piece rarely heard and I don't even have a recording.

No Massenet, but you're in the right country for at least one of mine.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 10:12:27 AM
All those moaning and groaning about the loss of their avatars on other threads don't realise the true tragedy of that situation. I don't know about anyone else but I'm unable to see any scores now. Does this mean they are all lost for good?

In all seriousness, if it does, the most attractive thing about this forum - this thread and the particular group of people who inhabit it - will have disappeared for me. A  :( or a  >:( doesn't quite cover it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 24, 2008, 10:16:15 AM
Just came back here. I didn't know what you were talking about, Luke, but indeed - when I clicked on one of the links I didn't see any score. This is serious. What has happened? I'll have to investigate.

P.S. I can see 321 et cetera...

Later: There seems to be no system to it.

Still later: after doing a Refresh all avatars have gone (they were still here when I arrived). I hope Rob will solve this problem...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 10:12:27 AM
All those moaning and groaning about the loss of their avatars on other threads don't realise the true tragedy of that situation. I don't know about anyone else but I'm unable to see any scores now. Does this mean they are all lost for good?

In all seriousness, if it does, the most attractive thing about this forum - this thread and the particular group of people who inhabit it - will have disappeared for me. A  :( or a  >:( doesn't quite cover it.

Yes, this is serious, though I am hoping Rob can restore the database and bring back all the scores we've been scanning, cropping, uploading, etc. But at least if there are no scores to view, I cannot be accused of failing to identify Luke's scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 24, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
Yes, this is serious, though I am hoping Rob can restore the database and bring back all the scores we've been scanning, cropping, uploading, etc. But at least if there are no scores to view, I cannot be accused of failing to identify Luke's scores.

;D :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 12:54:07 PM
The scores are returning.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 24, 2008, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 12:54:07 PM
The scores are returning.  :) :) :) :)

Which ones?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:02:19 PM
Good point. I can see the ones at the top of the last page (which I couldn't when this problem first started), but not earlier ones. Bugger.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 24, 2008, 02:04:27 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 10:12:27 AM
All those moaning and groaning about the loss of their avatars on other threads don't realise the true tragedy of that situation. I don't know about anyone else but I'm unable to see any scores now. Does this mean they are all lost for good?

Ach!

Let's hope that is not Jocasta's servant entering, stage right . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:06:22 PM
On a happier note, Sforzando's 71 is George Butterworth's A Shropshire Lad, which I assume is the one about eggs in butter, though that still doesn't make much sense to me, I must say.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:07:24 PM
(see, Sfz, it's possible to find them even when the scores have vanished, so that's no excuse  ;D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 24, 2008, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:02:19 PM
Good point. I can see the ones at the top of the last page (which I couldn't when this problem first started), but not earlier ones. Bugger.

You mean page 157? I can't see a thing. Yet...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:12:56 PM
Yes, that one. Not that it's any help - those are my scores, and I already know what they are  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:14:24 PM
...but my ones on page 156 aren't visible; not are Sforzando's on the same page -  why should there be a difference?  ::) ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 02:19:17 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:14:24 PM
...but my ones on page 156 aren't visible; not are Sforzando's on the same page -  why should there be a difference?  ::) ???

I would give it a day before worrying.

"Eggs, butter . . . this clue must be worth something, lads."

But perhaps there's still life in the clue? or would you prefer a single hard-cooked egg?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 24, 2008, 02:22:16 PM
'History is a nightmare from which I'm trying to awake' (Stephen Daedalus, Ulysses)

Let's hope that Rob hasn't been tweaking the site to kingdom come and that after a good night's sleep (ours) things here will have returned to normal.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:24:36 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 02:19:17 PM
"Eggs, butter . . . this clue must be worth something, lads."

Yes, I got that, but where do the eggs come in....?

Quote from: Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 02:19:17 PM
But perhaps there's still life in the clue? or would you prefer a single hard-cooked egg?

Maybe this is what you mean...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 24, 2008, 02:24:36 PM
Yes, I got that, but where do the eggs come in....?

Maybe this is what you mean...

And if one's head looks like an egg, may there not be two hard-cooked eggs for you to crack?   

Keep reviewing all clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 25, 2008, 12:28:43 PM
Might Sforzando's 73 be Offenbach (Oeuf-enbach; or, Offen-bach, perhaps relating as per clue no 5 to my Wolf-Ferarri)? Something perhaps from La Vie Parisienne (a famous city with first and last letters PS). I don't think this is Gaite Parisienne. But it certainly has a can-can look to it, and an Offenbach-y look to the impactful orchestration....

If this is wrong - and it probably is - one can't deny that it nevertheless fits various of Sforzando's clues. Though with clues this cryptic, we could probably find all sorts of pieces to fit them.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 25, 2008, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 25, 2008, 12:28:43 PM
Might Sforzando's 73 be Offenbach (Oeuf-enbach; or, Offen-bach, perhaps relating as per clue no 5 to my Wolf-Ferarri)? Something perhaps from La Vie Parisienne (a famous city with first and last letters PS). I don't think this is Gaite Parisienne. But it certainly has a can-can look to it, and an Offenbach-y look to the impactful orchestration....

If this is wrong - and it probably is - one can't deny that it nevertheless fits various of Sforzando's clues. Though with clues this cryptic, we could probably find all sorts of pieces to fit them.  ;D

So near, and yet so far . . . .

Keep at it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 05:15:05 AM
With no images here and me working on memory (no one else trying to do the same?) you might need to give a little more than that  ;D . Is it

a) Offenbach but not the specific piece I mentioned
b) nearly right in some other way but not Offenbach
c) not no 73 but another one

Because if a) for instance, the composer having been successfully identified, surely it's fair to let us know, and if b), the composer not being correct, ditto. And if c) well, come on, I'm using memory here!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 05:38:04 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 05:15:05 AM
With no images here and me working on memory (no one else trying to do the same?) you might need to give a little more than that  ;D . Is it

a) Offenbach but not the specific piece I mentioned
b) nearly right in some other way but not Offenbach
c) not no 73 but another one

Because if a) for instance, the composer having been successfully identified, surely it's fair to let us know, and if b), the composer not being correct, ditto. And if c) well, come on, I'm using memory here!  ;D ;D


Not Offenbach, not a can-can, not French. Do not translate egg clue; eggs not relevant here in any case. Paris clue not relevant here. Think laterally! It's a secret, but it was staring you in the face two posts ago! (So near, yet so far.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 05:42:21 AM
Wolf-Ferrari? Il segreto di Susanna?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 05:43:59 AM
Yes it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 05:46:17 AM
These clues of yours are so very cryptic that they can lead anywhere - you see how my Offenbach one made perfect sense? Even more - those PS initials? Did you know that the man responsible for the choreography of the dancing in French Can-can which popularised the image of the dance was called Pierre Sandrini?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 06:56:29 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 05:46:17 AM
These clues of yours are so very cryptic that they can lead anywhere - you see how my Offenbach one made perfect sense? Even more - those PS initials? Did you know that the man responsible for the choreography of the dancing in French Can-can which popularised the image of the dance was called Pierre Sandrini?

Now, now. Temper, temper, temper, temper. Like any puzzle, some clues can lead to more than one place, but all clues have to fit. Let's go over all my clues again, and see which ones are still relevant. Those you can still use are in italics; the ones that have been played out are in normal type:

(to Guido:) There's one of mine that should be right up your street. Better yet if there were two of you.

==
That is a cryptic clue indeed, and probably won't help in the slightest. This one is really pretty obscure. I know very little about the composer, but he has taught recently in American universities (and may still). His name sounds Anglo, but could be German. The title of the piece, however (and of the suite from which it is taken), is in another familiar language.

==

My clues will start simply. I reiterate that there may be more than one work by any of my composers.

For one or two of my pieces, it may also help to think of breakfast foods and condiments. (There's your egg.) This clue may be more suggestive to Americans than to Europeans, but we'll see where this goes, lads.

A little bit more information has been provided for Sfz50; namely, I've given the first violin part too, which was truncated in the original upload. I have still left out the main melody, for reasons that will become clear when I confirm the answer, which should now be much easier. You can see now too that when clarinet and bassoon switch to 2/4, the strings (and hidden melody line!) continue in 6/8. Identifying what the winds are playing here should go a long way towards identifying the excerpt. Or perhaps not.

==

But I don't see you guys yet making use of the clues I've given! at least three of my unidentified excerpts are by composers already present in my two last sets, and one by a composer present in one of Luke's recent sets. And while I don't know what you Brits eat for breakfast each day (I hope it's not that ghastly English breakfast I was served in my London hotel each morning ten years ago), thinking of breakfast food should go a long day towards cracking one or two of my harder eggs, especially if you like your eggs scrambled as I do. (For what it's worth: supposedly Escoffier, in scrambling eggs in butter for Sarah Bernhardt, stirred them with a knife on which he had impaled a bit of garlic. Sarah loved the result, but Escoffier never revealed his secret.)

Finally Guido, in the course of identifying Barber's Tango, has inadvertently provided the name of another of my (very famous) composers.

55 will be tough, no doubt, but it is for two cellos. 54 - well, figuring out the instrumentation will tell you everything. It is a well-known piece by a famous composer. But doesn't something about the layout of that score look very unusual - almost as if something you'd normally expect is missing?

And of course there are clues all over the place in the above paragraphs, as well as a few false leads. Sinister, aren't I?

==

Surprised my 54 is giving so much trouble. I think I could have identified this one with one hand tied behind my back.

==
I wouldn't say "merely" random. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. ==

1) To what you said, that's a relief.
2) A couple of them by a very great composer have higher opus numbers than their dates of composition would imply.
3) Two are by British composers, whose last names begin with the same letter.
4) One of the more obscure composers has the same nationality as one of mine that had been recently guessed.
5) Rampant horses? Luke's not the only one who can play that secretive game.
6) Another standard of the ballet repertoire is probably less known among music lovers, but he's been in my list before.
7) Eggs, butter . . . this clue must be worth something, lads.
What composer does Guido inadvertently name when identifying the Hesitation Tango?
9) Can't hear you, speak louder! (What, you too?)
10) My first name begins with a K, but my composition has something in common with that Gottfried von Einem fiasco of two weeks ago.
11) PS: could that be someone's initials? Could that even be the outer letters of a well-known city?

==
The LvB is correct. It was written in 1817 and published posthumously; it's a tiny piece rarely heard and I don't even have a recording.

No Massenet, but you're in the right country for at least one of mine.
==

And if one's head looks like an egg, may there not be two hard-cooked eggs for you to crack?   

Keep reviewing all clues. More clues soon. Sigh.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 07:23:41 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 06:56:29 AM
Now, now. Temper, temper, temper, temper.

There you go with the 4x thing - don't think I haven't noticed  ;D

'All clues have to fit' - but there are so many, and we don't know which clues fit to which score - they obviously don't all fit all the pieces. I made at least 3 of your clues fit with the Offenbach guess and it was still wrong (though I thought it was at the time, as you'll recall!!)

Here's where I am - tell me how far off this is

One is Beethoven, something with a higher opus number than its date of composition suggests (but trawling this list (http://www.lvbeethoven.com/Oeuvres/ListOpus.html) doesn't give any obvious answers, and I'd assume it would be that violin/cello piece - no 61 IIRC. Except as far as I can see it doesn't fit any of the duets I know or have looked at. The Beethoven bit would fit with what you say about Guido's mentioning his name, but I doubt that is actually what you meant by that clue. Perhaps there's a missing part, or some other explanation. Or eggsplanation...  ::)

The two cello one (55, I think) - something to do with 'tough', and presumably some trickery going on with the name clue

The 5/4 Adagio misterioso - something to do with Philadelphia, perhaps. And first name starts with K.


Ah, I'm miles off on these!...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 07:26:16 AM
The Beethoven - Kakadu Variations, piano trio. Thought there was a missing instrument.... (also, the names of the instruments being given in the way they are led me to think that too)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 07:26:59 AM
(that's no 61, I think)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 07:40:33 AM
(actually, that one was embarrassingly easy when I came to look at it properly)

Still lots of mine remaining. No images  >:(, but that shouldn't stop you. I'll describe them for you later, if it helps! And give clues, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 07:43:13 AM
OK, we got the Kakadu variations. I think six are left of mine. This time, three types of clue - each clue applies to only one piece:

COMPOSITIONS:
My name is both a symphony, and a famous modern ballet score.

I am from the same score as was previously identified. I am in fact the next piece in the score previously identified. I am large, I contain multitudes.

A collision on the streets of Paris? What stupidity!

I am the second of two compositions of this type by this composer, and from the second movement of this composition.

I am one of a set of eight compositions of this type.

I am the third of this type, and named for an American city. Not Philadelphia.

COMPOSERS:
My bald head looks like an egg, and I provided elementary training for musicians at a major American university.

My name sounds like an egg!

I can't hear you either!

I am Jewish, American, bisexual, with a German name - the quintessential New Yorker.

PS: I also taught at a major American university, but you'd think from the name of my piece I'd be driving around the streets of Paris.

Did not a porter tell me to blow?

NATIONALITIES:
1 American
1 English
1 German
1 French
1 Norwegian
1 I'm not sure, could be Anglo but sounds German.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 26, 2008, 07:47:53 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 07:23:41 AM
. . . something to do with Philadelphia, perhaps.

One of the angel's letters in the Book of Revelation?  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 07:58:31 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 26, 2008, 07:47:53 AM
One of the angel's letters in the Book of Revelation?  8)

Not following you exactly, but I don't think so. Think horses for my city.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:02:59 AM
It's Klaus Egge's Louisville Symphony (no 3). Is that to do with horses?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:03:35 AM
No 70, I mean. (I think!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 26, 2008, 08:06:37 AM
I have the deepest respect for those guessers with photographic memories. I don't belong to that glittering band, however. I'm as blind as a bat, under the current circumstances...

So - no contributions from me.

One thought did cross my mind - never upload anything really essential to the GMG server in future. Use Photobucket or Flickr and link from there.

And why do we hear nothing? Or have I missed something?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 08:08:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:02:59 AM
It's Klaus Egge's Louisville Symphony (no 3). Is that to do with horses?

My first name begins with a K.
I am Norwegian.
My name sounds like an egg.
Louisville, KY, is noted for the Kentucky Derby, the first of America's Triple Crown of horse races.

:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:38:58 AM
59 - 'To what you said' from Songfest, Bernstein.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 08:45:33 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:38:58 AM
59 - 'To what you said' from Songfest, Bernstein.

To a text by Whitman ("I am large, I contain multitudes"). This is the long orchestral intro before the baritone comes in. I think of this as Lenny's "coming out" song, and one of his best from the later years.

We seem to be doing at least as well without the scores as with them. Perhaps we can just have mystery identifications based on clues until the graphics come back.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:46:47 AM
The first one remaining - no 49 I think - is Faure's 2nd violin sonata. I got that without your clues, except possibly the 'second of this type' one. It's obviously French, and in fact I'd thought of Faure days ago - but been too lazy to get up and listen to my CD to check!!!  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:48:55 AM
Going out for an hour or so now - just when I get on a roll.  >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 08:45:33 AM
We seem to be doing at least as well without the scores as with them. Perhaps we can just have mystery identifications based on clues until the graphics come back.

Be prepared to do so with my remaining ones soon!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:46:47 AM
The first one remaining - no 49 I think - is Faure's 2nd violin sonata. I got that without your clues, except possibly the 'second of this type' one. It's obviously French, and in fact I'd thought of Faure days ago - but been too lazy to get up and listen to my CD to check!!!  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Guido: "Barber's Excursions for piano are similar in a sense in that they are his only foray into the Jazz/classical genre,"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 08:49:49 AM
Be prepared to do so with my remaining ones soon!

Then give good clues!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 08:59:05 AM
Guido: "Barber's Excursions for piano are similar in a sense in that they are his only foray into the Jazz/classical genre,"

Oh, for G-d's sake!* And all your four-fold repetitions, were they point Faure-wards too?

*Saul may be watching, and we mustn't offend his sensibilities.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 09:43:45 AM
Oh, for G-d's sake!* And all your four-fold repetitions, were they point Faure-wards too?

*Saul may be watching, and we mustn't offend his sensibilities.

Temper, temper, temper, temper! no Fauré allusion there. Rather: Did not a porter tell me to blow?*

*as in Cole Porter, "Blow, Gabriel, blow!"

**I have no objection whatsoever to offending Saul's sensibilities.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 10:10:12 AM
Temper, temper, temper, temper! no Fauré allusion there.

But there are four of them. And also there was your 'Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T.' Last of all was your 'Forte! Forte! Forte! Forte!', though I think you deleted that quickly (and I suppose if one subtracts the 'T' from the 'forte' then one gets the Faure!  ;D ;D ).

Quote from: Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 10:10:12 AM
Rather: Did not a porter tell me to blow?*

*as in Cole Porter, "Blow, Gabriel, blow!"

I wouldn't have got it from that!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 11:52:42 AM
Of course, Allen Forte is something of an egghead himself, in more ways than one (http://www.allenforte.com/images2/AForte2.jpg), but he doesn't fit your other clues! (And he doesn't compose AFAIK.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 26, 2008, 11:53:52 AM
Heaven Forte-fend!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 11:44:01 AM
But there are four of them. And also there was your 'Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T. Some of those clues fit to a T.' Last of all was your 'Forte! Forte! Forte! Forte!', though I think you deleted that quickly (and I suppose if one subtracts the 'T' from the 'forte' then one gets the Faure!  ;D ;D ).

I know. But the T's are what matter. There was only one 4-A, but there most definitely are 4 T's.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Can't expect everybody to pick up on every clue, but other clues to my composers are still in play. Have fun. And the composer relevant to the 4 T's is someone we've had previously, writing a work for his own instrument, presumably tuned in equal temperament.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 12:16:55 PM
Let's narrow down:

COMPOSITIONS:
My name is both a symphony, and a famous modern ballet score.

A collision on the streets of Paris? What stupidity!

I am one of a set of eight compositions of this type.

COMPOSERS:
My bald head looks like an egg, and I provided elementary training for musicians at a major American university.

I can't hear you either!

PS: I also taught at a major American university, but you'd think from the name of my piece I'd be driving around the streets of Paris.

NATIONALITIES:
1 English
1 German
1 I'm not sure, could be Anglo but sounds German.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 12:59:17 PM
Yes, it is, so the true list is:

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf -? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)

Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Links to clues:
First basic clues to LO 293-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
first follow-up clues to LO 294-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg193546.html#msg193546)
second follow-up clues to LO 295-302 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg195923.html#msg195923)

Some clues to Sforzando's scores (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197894.html#msg197894)
....and some more (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199354.html#msg199354)
[/quote]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 01:02:43 PM
Ooops, didn't update the links to clues. But I think we all know that they're in the last page or two.

I take it that Sforzando's remaining three refer to the last three remaining in his list, not 55 and 57 which (unless I've missed something) haven't been identified yet

No, that's not right....is it? I'm starting to get confused myself now, as to what is what, and what's been identified....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 01:02:43 PM
Ooops, didn't update the links to clues. But I think we all know that they're in the last page or two.

I take it that Sforzando's remaining three refer to the last three remaining in his list, not 55 and 57 which (unless I've missed something) haven't been identified yet

No, that's not right....is it? I'm starting to get confused myself now, as to what is what, and what's been identified....

Me too. I thought I only had three left to go, but is it really five? I hope I still have the originals on my hard drive. This is harder than playing tennis without a net. (And that is not a clue.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 01:10:55 PM
Me too. I thought I only had three left to go, but is it really five? I hope I still have the originals on my hard drive. This is harder than playing tennis without a net. (And that is not a clue.)

Would explain why this has been so hard - could well have been thinking of the wrong scores in some cases!

FWIW the ones I know about are:

The cello duet, which is quite early - no 55 I think
The piano + strings one, which was in the same set, so maybe is no 57
The baroque-looking one, which I remember was last of all, no 76

I can't remember what 62 and 72 looked like, if they really do remain. Maybe they were identified and I didn't update the list, though. Let me look back.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 01:38:09 PM
OK, yes, 62 was the Falla, El retablo...

...and I think 72 must have been that Beethoven string quintet fugue.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 01:43:20 PM
Yes, it is, so the true list is:

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
330 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
331 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
332 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
333 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
334 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
335 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
336 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
337 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
338 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
339 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
340 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
341 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
342 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
343 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
344 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
345 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)


and the ones I listed:

The cello duet, which is quite early - no 55 I think
The piano + strings one, which was in the same set, so maybe is no 57
The baroque-looking one, which I remember was last of all, no 76

are indeed the remaining ones from Sforzando
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 01:53:13 PM
That being clarified, 57 may well be the ballet The Four Temperaments (piano and strings; also the name of a symphony) by (the German composer) Hindemith
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 26, 2008, 01:55:38 PM
To be more specific about the Wolf (#296): it's the second of two "Paraphrasen über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 01:56:57 PM
Thanks, Johan. That wipes one off!

(the Hindemith one is also Sforzando's four Ts as well, of course)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 02:02:03 PM
I have a feeling 76 is Boyce, the first of his eight Symphonies.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
Yes, it is, I checked
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
Yes, it is, I checked

Whew! I was running out of clues. Really surprised the deaf Englishman Boyce didn't go earlier. I don't know if Hindemith wrote a 4 Temperaments symphony; I was thinking of Nielsen in that clue. But any ballet fan would recognize the 4 T's, as it's popularly called, right away - one of Balanchine's greatest pieces of choreography, and commissioned by him from Hindemith.

The 2-cello piece is genuinely recondite. But it has to do with the streets of Paris, it's part of a 4-movement suite of character pieces, its composer taught at Columbia University for a while, his initials are PS, and his name sounds German. If you can't get it, I'll reveal it soon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 26, 2008, 02:43:20 PM
I don't know if Hindemith wrote a 4 Temperaments symphony; I was thinking of Nielsen in that clue.

Me too. Did I imply the former? Didn't mean to...  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 27, 2008, 11:41:39 AM
Only guesses = Paul Siskind or Peter Schuback. Otherwise, I have no idea. And if it's them, I don't know the piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 09:28:06 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 27, 2008, 11:41:39 AM
Only guesses = Paul Siskind or Peter Schuback. Otherwise, I have no idea. And if it's them, I don't know the piece

The composer's name is Peter Susser, and this is from a set of four character pieces for two cellos called Quatre Bêtises - this one being Une Collision sur les Rue de Paris.

But from the looks of things, unless and until Rob fixes all the dead graphic links, this thread is more or less stalled.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 09:29:55 AM
Ah, I was going to say that - why didn't you give us more time?  ;D

This is indeed painful. I suppose I could give a note-by-note description of my scores, a la that-page-on-Vertigo I linked to a while back. But perhaps not....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 09:34:07 AM
Actually, I suppose I might make a PDF of my remaining ones and upload it somewhere later. Could even add in some new ones, perhaps.

Not exactly ideal, but needs must etc. Got to get some kind of impetus going here again.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 02:30:11 PM
OK, here we are: large PDF with all my unguessed ones, plus quite a lot of new ones, some very easy, some very hard. (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)

The old ones are:

298 and 299 (one of which, we have ascertained, is Wolf-Ferrari)

300 (which is Theo Ysaye, but what piece?)

303 (which is a Cage piece 'setting' Joyce, but what piece?)

304, 305, 310, 317, 318, 319, 320 (I've put 320a next to this, in case it helps), 321, 322, 323, 324 and 325

From 329 onwards they are all new.

I'll give clues on the old ones soon, but I'll give you a chance to get reacquainted with them first!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 30, 2008, 02:52:42 PM
Luke, there is an Ophicléide in 343 - first thought: Berlioz.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 02:57:53 PM
 :) Yes. Interesting page this, and those before it - he uses horns in various keys, combining them so as to make them able to play the entire 'recitative' line, even if they sometimes only contribute a single note-stretch of it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 02:57:53 PM
:) Yes. Interesting page this, and those before it - he uses horns in various keys, combining them so as to make them able to play the entire 'recitative' line, even if they sometimes only contribute a single note-stretch of it.

Even without looking, I'd guess the Romeo symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 03:03:22 PM
337 is Dukas's L'Apprenti Sorcier.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 03:04:28 PM
338 looks like a fragment of Strauss's Frau ohne Schatten in his own hand.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 03:05:18 PM
340 - Stravinsky's Threni.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 03:08:17 PM
339 - Harold in Italy, Berlioz, 3rd movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 02:30:11 PM
OK, here we are: large PDF with all my unguessed ones, plus quite a lot of new ones, some very easy, some very hard. (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)

The old ones are:

298 and 299 (one of which, we have ascertained, is Wolf-Ferrari)

I'd say the W-F is 299, as he was fairly conservative. He wrote three violin sonatas - g minor, a minor, and E major. I'd guess the a minor.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 07:53:29 PM
329 Copland Piano Fantasy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 07:58:00 PM
333 from the very dramatic slow movement of the late Schubert G major quartet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 30, 2008, 08:05:23 PM
334 Nielsen comes to mind, but it's definitely not from the violin concerto.

335 the ending of Haydn's Farewell Symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 09:51:00 PM
Good on all of these. Told you there were some easy ones! Re. the Nielsen - this is a piece Larry Rinkel used to talk very enthusiastically about. And it wouldn't be the violin concerto, no, because I used that score a long time ago.

Thanks on the Strauss - I couldn't remember which opera that was, though someone told me long ago.  ;D This little self-quotation comes from a letter Strauss sent to my great-great-great uncle Friedrich Buxbaum (http://www.esnips.com/doc/09ed3dd3-7448-435f-b6e0-cf8fe77d3fbe/mystery-score-338-full), lead cellist of the VPO and cellist of the Rosé Quartet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 09:53:48 PM
The Nielsen, btw, is very easy if you actually look at what's going on, instruments etc. Surprised you didn't get it immediately, in fact...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on June 30, 2008, 09:55:02 PM
Nielsen Flute Concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 09:57:04 PM
Of course - a page containing one of the trombone's little outbursts. I remember Larry talking about this piece very....well, very memorably!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 11:11:49 PM
TTT
First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
links for 328 to 345 all lead to the same PDF file, whilst images aren't uploadable. It also contains my other currently-unidentified scores.
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
330 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
331 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
332 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
336 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
341 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
342 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
344 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)
345 - ? -  (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 01, 2008, 02:18:53 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 30, 2008, 09:57:04 PM
Of course - a page containing one of the trombone's little outbursts. I remember Larry talking about this piece very....well, very memorably!

Well, I can't be expected to know everything Larry knew. Maybe even Larry doesn't know a few things I know. But to tell the truth, the Fl on the score looked like a Vl until I zoomed in more closely, and that threw me.

Actually, this PDF idea is a good one, as it is easier to enlarge the scores so they're all more readable. Can you tell me how to put these together, and how to upload them?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 01, 2008, 02:31:12 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 01, 2008, 02:18:53 AM
But to tell the truth, the Fl on the score looked like a Vl until I zoomed in more closely, and that threw me.

Sorry, Sfz...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 01, 2008, 02:54:25 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 01, 2008, 02:18:53 AM
Well, I can't be expected to know everything Larry knew. Maybe even Larry doesn't know a few things I know.

Oh, I doubt it, somehow.

Re putting a PDF together - do you have a PDF writer? I use CutePDF (http://www.cutepdf.com/) (freeware) but there are others out there.

Once you have it up and running, it operates exactly like a printer, except that it prints 'internally'. So, paste your score samples (or whatever) into a document and then print it, but specify the PDF writer as your printer of choice. Then you'll be prompted as to the file name/location that you want. Then you're done. Very easy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 01, 2008, 03:54:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 01, 2008, 02:54:25 AM
Oh, I doubt it, somehow.

Re putting a PDF together - do you have a PDF writer? I use CutePDF (http://www.cutepdf.com/) (freeware) but there are others out there.

Once you have it up and running, it operates exactly like a printer, except that it prints 'internally'. So, paste your score samples (or whatever) into a document and then print it, but specify the PDF writer as your printer of choice. Then you'll be prompted as to the file name/location that you want. Then you're done. Very easy.

How does one upload the completed PDF to a network, for public consumption?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 01, 2008, 03:59:22 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 01, 2008, 02:31:12 AM
Sorry, Sfz...

Not at all, Jez. I've heard the Nielsen wind concertos often enough, and I should have known better. An outstanding characteristic of the flute concerto is how the Falstaffian bass trombone serves as a secondary soloist, ridiculing (I do not exaggerate) the elegant flute and eventually achieving a kind of reconciliation with him/her/it. I think this was in fact Larry's thesis on the matter. But at 12 midnight, when you're dead tired, sometimes the mind plays tricks with one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 01, 2008, 04:19:02 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 01, 2008, 03:54:02 AM
How does one upload the completed PDF to a network, for public consumption?

Quickest and most user-friendly might be Mediafire (http://www.mediafire.com/), I suppose. My score PDF is at esnips because that's where I've got my own compositions, not that that's a proper reason, as I also use Mediafire.  ::)

At Mediafire, register (free and instant) and then upload your file[ s]. Once they're done, you'll be given a link to them - copy it and paste it here for us.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 01, 2008, 04:25:32 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 01, 2008, 03:59:22 AM
I think this was in fact Larry's thesis on the matter.

Yes it was - IIRC he even used the description 'Falstaffian' as you did!  :o You obviously remember it as well as I do!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 01, 2008, 12:56:18 PM
I'd be VERY impressed if someone could guess this mystery score:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/14/1346899/mystery%20score.JPG
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 01, 2008, 12:59:20 PM
 ;D

The use of tablature reminds me of Dowland - a is this a lute solo from In Darknesse let me Dwell? It seems to have the refinement, restraint and subtle melancholy of Dowland....

;D ;D ;D

(I'm joking, GGGGRRREEG)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 01, 2008, 01:38:09 PM
lol at least you tried  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 01, 2008, 01:42:48 PM
Well, it looks like Van Halen to me. But what do I know...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 01, 2008, 01:43:06 PM
(that felt all wrong)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 02, 2008, 01:20:54 PM
Good guess. It's Joe Satriani, Cool #9 (live version, G3). I've always wondered how they tab passages like these......
Here's a couple more Van Halen lookalike tabs:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/14/1346899/sv1.JPG
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/14/1346899/sv2.JPG

From the end of Steve Vai's "The Attitude Song", which is wild when played with guitars live!
I wish I could show you the score to the "Alien Water Kiss", which is really just a graphic score with electronic effects, all on one page. I saw it at the music store, but don't have the book....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 04, 2008, 05:55:29 AM
Time for some clues, some cryptic, some less so. Remember you can download the PDF with all these scores (and already-identified ones) here. (http://www.esnips.com/doc/d3708f11-0eea-4297-977a-49e9423bad07/mystery-scores-emergency-PDF)

298 - A pianist-composer known for his sheer effect; a piece in a particular state.
300 - Theo Ysaye, but what? There's no trickery here - it's what it looks like Piano concerto
303 - Cage, and a verbal setting (Joyce, last lines of Finnegan's Wake). So what is it likely to be? Songbooks
304 - Famous composer-pianist, teacher of some of the great modernists and futurists.  Been here before, and closely connected to no 330 too. Concerto for piano and strings, Busoni (aged 11)
305 - A great, great composer, much loved by many here, including on this thread, on which he has been present more than once, and recently too. But not associated with this sort of thing.
310 - Wrote an opera on the same subject as an early tone poem by Richard Strauss.
317 - Surprised no one's got this. Just another proof of the symphonies-before-anything-else malaise that affects this site.  >:D >:D Bruckner, Christus factus est
318 - (http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/40/37/23303740.jpg) This family wealth of this composer came from his father's work on an infamous, ambitious project supervised by a famous Baron who thought he should have instead had the title 'aquaduc'.  8) This Baron was also a fine musician, apparently, and I never knew that before!
319 - Subject of a currently active thread, mentioned more than once on this one, among other things a pianist of whom even Cortot was in awe, but for whom the piano was a second instrument.  :o The pedal marks, details of string notation and general look of this score are unique to this composer in my experience.
320 and 320a - The bilingual nature of these two scores is of interest, and is a clue itself. A fascinating figure in the early music of his adopted homeland, though his name is comparatively rarely mentioned.
Heinrich - 320 is A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist
321 - Member of an extremely musical and aristocratic family, this composer died young. A favourite composer of Herbie Hancock, apparently!  :o
322 - Composer of a recently identified score. Might help to look at the piece in a little detail.
323 - Unarguably one of the great pieces of chamber opera of the last 30 years, this. The three singers you see are all the opera needs, though they take on two roles each. Here we see the composer's mastery of pastiche - and his twisted sense of humour as, in private reverie over what has just been sung on the previous page, the three singers unwittingly break it up into a more suggestive form..... 'Oh that he held me fast by the cock.... I come....I am aroused....'  >:D $:) 0:)  (<--- funnily enough, those guys are very good ciphers for the three singing at this point!)
324 - This work was almost forgotten by its composer; even when it was rediscovered within his lifetime, he never mentioned it and he never even named it properly (beyond the title Composition for Orchestra, which is not the name I'm looking for). It is linked thematically and chronologically with an early opera of the composer, but is probably more an expression of grief following the death of his son. His daughter died later, and the music which flowed from that event is much more famous. Interestingly, this piece is practically the only instance of D minor in the composer's output - he was obviously aware, as we all are, of the tawdry nature of that key and its aficionados, and he had personal key preferences a little way flat of this.
325 - As far as I remember, the first composer from his country to appear on this thread. A student of two great contemporary masters. This piece is somewhat balletic.
330 - let's work backwards - look at the clue to 304. Stevenson - Faust Fantasy
331 - British-born, but no longer resident there. A pupil (one of many) of one of 321's musical family.
332 - Relatively recently deceased composer of 'Requiem for a dead poet' - shares a middle name with the main male protagonist of 341.
336 - a often-maligned work around here. Surely those who malign it are at least able to recognise it? Though if not, I know already what their defence will be....  >:D >:D
341 - ditto, in fact! (I didn't plan it that way). Truthfully, it's not as maligned, and actually most people here who've heard it love this work - but there are exceptions, and one of them frequents this thread. On this page we see the composer nonchalantly inventing Carl Stalling's cartoon-music style for him (IMO) - and that's appropriate at this madcap point in this otherwise rather serious work. The scoring of this work was left off part way through; this is one of the passages orchestrated at a later date.
342 - Should be clear who. No, not him, the other one....  ;D
344 - one of the pieces I loved most as a teenager - extraordinary texturally and timbral invention, and superlative orchestration, so that it sounds as fantastic as it looks, not just the grey sludge it could have become. Deliberately scored for a Haydnesque orchestra. The composer - whose name is also that of an important political figure of the last century from the country of 325 - is self-taught, but when younger played the national instrument of his country and in a rock band (called Influx, apparently). His music is both ultra-complex and instantly accessible.
34 - palindromic. Who does that sort of thing....?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 04, 2008, 06:45:11 AM
Is 332 Bernd Alois Zimmermann? I know the work as Requiem for a Young Poet. Requiem for a Dead Poet sounds a bit tautological.

Will work on these clues later in the day....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 04, 2008, 09:04:33 AM
No - that's why I gave that work as a clue! To see if anyone fell for it....  >:D >:D >:D >:D Requiem for a Dead Poet is the correct title, though in translation.

(And for those not sure what I'm on about, this Requiem for a dead poet is another work by the composer of 332, not the work itself)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 04, 2008, 01:06:15 PM
# 317, Bruckner, Christus factus est pro nobis...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 04, 2008, 01:09:08 PM
Correct  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 04, 2008, 01:10:20 PM
# 303 Cage, must be Riverrun (the first word of FW) Or, perhaps, Roaratorio?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 04, 2008, 01:13:58 PM
No. Actually, I feel a bit mean about this one - it's essentially just a generic but specifically Cageian title.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:06:50 AM
Attachments restored!  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

For the sake of those who didn't download my PDF, here are all the new scores that were contained in it, though some (indicated) have already been guessed. Clues to all these a couple of posts up.

LO 329 (Copland, Piano Fantasy)
LO 330
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:08:24 AM
LO 331
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:09:39 AM
LO 332
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:10:45 AM
LO 333 - Schubert, G major Quartet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:12:08 AM
LO 334 - Nielsen, Flute Concerto

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:13:10 AM
LO 335 - Haydn, Farewell Symphony

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:14:14 AM
LO 336

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:15:38 AM
LO 337 - Dukas, L'Aprenti Sorcier


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:17:11 AM
LO 338 - Strauss, Die Frau ohne Schatten

and in full, the letter to my great-great-great uncle from which this scrap comes.



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:18:32 AM
LO 339 - Berlioz, Harold in Italy

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:19:58 AM
LO 340 - Stravinsky, Threni

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:20:54 AM
LO 341

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:22:13 AM
LO 342



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:22:59 AM
LO 343 - Berlioz, Romeo et Juliette

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:24:07 AM
LO 344

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:24:52 AM
LO 345

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 06, 2008, 03:26:54 AM
# 304/330 - must be Busoni-related...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:29:49 AM
Yes, they are....

So, a more useful list:

TTT
First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - ? - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - The Dream of Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)


Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg203887.html#msg203887)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 06, 2008, 03:57:40 AM
# 304 is apparently a German (?) Piano Quintet in D minor. But by whom? It's very tonal and straightforward.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 06, 2008, 04:39:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 03:17:11 AM
LO 338 - Strauss, Die Frau ohne Schatten

and in full, the letter to my great-great-great uncle from which this scrap comes.





I hope you have that letter well-insured and archivally framed. On the commercial market an autograph letter from a major composer including a musical quotation could be worth at least a thousand pounds. I would have it appraised by a qualified dealer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 05:56:43 AM
Unfortunately, I only have a copy - the letter was in the possession of my great aunt, I think: she had many copies of it, and of another letter from Strauss to Buxbaum (also letters to him from Lotte Lehman and Elisabeth Schumann), but the whereabouts of the originals are not known.  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 05:59:13 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 06, 2008, 03:57:40 AM
# 304 is apparently a German (?) Piano Quintet in D minor. But by whom? It's very tonal and straightforward.

Not a piano quintet. That's a full string section. And you know who the composer is already.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 06, 2008, 07:23:34 AM
I admit that I found it strange it said Violoncello/Kontrabass.

I have a hard time discovering what it is, though. I'm scouring the whole work catalogue (the so-called  Kindermannverzeichnis http://www.rodoni.ch/busoni/kindermann.html), but can't find a work that fits...

Found it: Concerto per pianoforte accompagnamente di quartetto ad arco, Op. 17, in D minor
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 07:39:38 AM
Yes, indeed. And he composed it shortly before his 12th birthday. Which accounts for the 'very tonal and straightforward' appearance, I suppose!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 07:42:52 AM
So 330 is a (very very closely) Busoni-linked work. I'd advise you to think carefully about that one, Johan, because if you do you'll probably get it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 06, 2008, 07:47:47 AM
First: Théo Ysaÿe, # 300, his Piano Concerto op.9 (reduced for two pianos)

Later: @ 330 Could be Stevenson... Berceuse symphonique??! (Never heard it)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 07:50:10 AM
Of course - told you it was obvious!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 06, 2008, 07:47:47 AM
Later: @ 330 Could be Stevenson... Berceuse symphonique??! (Never heard it)

Yes it is, but not the Berceuse (which is for orchestra, though is of course titled in reference to Busoni). Busoni is the composer to whom Stevenson is closest, but this piece is where the bond is strongest of all, especially amongst Stevenson's major works. Think on - you ought to get this.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 06, 2008, 09:37:24 AM
# 330 - Stevenson, Prelude, Fugue & Fantasy on themes from Busoni’s "Faust"...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Yes - of which work Stevenson's 1st Piano Concerto (which you listened to only the other day!) is to a large extent a transcription.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 06, 2008, 10:11:45 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Yes - of which work Stevenson's 1st Piano Concerto (which you listened to only the other day!) is to a large extent a transcription.  ;)

Yes, I listened to the Faust Triptych a few weeks ago, but only the once... I didn't know it was a transcription. It'll be interesting to compare the two works (I have the piano piece too, on CD).

# 303 Cage - Song Books?

# 320 Anthony Philip Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble (1820)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 06, 2008, 03:29:23 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 05:56:43 AM
Unfortunately, I only have a copy - the letter was in the possession of my great aunt, I think: she had many copies of it, and of another letter from Strauss to Buxbaum (also letters to him from Lotte Lehman and Elisabeth Schumann), but the whereabouts of the originals are not known.  :(

Then, I'm afraid, what you have is of no commercial value. But it would be worth while to track down those originals, and I'm not speaking only or even primarily of their monetary worth. They could add to our understanding of the composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 08:49:31 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 06, 2008, 03:29:23 PM
Then, I'm afraid, what you have is of no commercial value. But it would be worth while to track down those originals, and I'm not speaking only or even primarily of their monetary worth. They could add to our understanding of the composer.

Yes, I know what I have is worthless, financially speaking, though it means something to me as a reminder of my family history. However, I don't think it's necessary to track down the originals (impossible, I would say) to learn something from the letters. As you've probably seen, this one, and the other one from Strauss, are almost undecipherable*, but my great aunt did manage to do so and made a transcription which I must get my hands on.

*though it's easy to pick out a few words - Haydn's D dur quartet, Beethoven op 127, Rosé (Buxbaum was member of the Rosé Quartet), Mozart's g moll quintett, Boosey + Hawkes, London, and Metamorphosen (which in a moment of absent-mindedness Strauss describes as for 24 solo strings!). The general tone of the letter as far as I recall it is 1) reminiscences of hearing Buxbaum and the Rosé play in happier times and then 2) discussing business matters pertaining to publishers etc.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 06, 2008, 10:11:45 AM
Yes, I listened to the Faust Triptych a few weeks ago, but only the once... I didn't know it was a transcription. It'll be interesting to compare the two works (I have the piano piece too, on CD).

# 303 Cage - Song Books?

# 320 Anthony Philip Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble (1820)

You and your edits, Johan! Could easily miss them, you know!  Yes, the Cage is from his Songbooks (volume 2, number 84)

And yes on the Heinrich too, the Bohemian-born 'Beethoven of Kentucky' - how did you get it? Full title is 'A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist.' Heinrich's most famous composition (at least by name) is 'The Dawning of Music in Kentucky; or, The Pleasures of Harmony in the Solitudes of Nature' a 269 page compliation containing 46 works. H Wiley Hitchcock said of it that it 'certainly must be the most extraordinary Opus 1 in the history of music.'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 10:58:34 PM
Doing so well, we need this TTT again already

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? = (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)


Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg203887.html#msg203887)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 06, 2008, 11:13:09 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 06, 2008, 10:57:04 PM
You and your edits, Johan! Could easily miss them, you know! 

In future I'll write a new post. Oh, I'm so frugal...  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:14:24 AM
336 and 341 are very famous, by the way. I don't doubt that everyone on this thread knows at least one of them, and most of us probably both.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 02:20:46 AM
# 336 Elgar, Gerontius... Isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:22:27 AM
 ;D

Or rather  >:D  and   0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:27:17 AM
Specifically the point where Elgar instructs his forces to unleash all possible power, as the Soul comes face to face for a moment with God.

Truly multi-dimensional stuff....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 02:29:49 AM
# 342, Bartók, presumably.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:31:25 AM
What does the clue say? - 'no, no him, the other one'  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 02:32:54 AM
Kodaly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:36:59 AM
Fair zipping along now  :)

Need some new ones soon...  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:40:21 AM
I will admit that they're getting trickier now, except 341. But my clues ought to be helpful. And they're less cryptic than Sforzando's  0:)


(except the one for 298)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 02:42:06 AM
Well, this zipping is stopping as my dear wife wants to get behind this computer...

Btw # 341 - that's a very big orchestra. At first glance I'd say something by Strauss, but as the composers must come from the beginning of the alphabet...

And now I have to leave you for a short while!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:47:34 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 07, 2008, 02:42:06 AM
Well, this zipping is stopping as my dear wife wants to get behind this computer...

Btw # 341 - that's a very big orchestra. At first glance I'd say something by Strauss, but as the composers must come from the beginning of the alphabet...

And now I have to leave you for a short while!

Ah - sorry, sorry - the batch that this one came from aren't beginning of the alphabet (which is why we've had Stravinsky, Strauss, Schubert, Nielsen, Haydn, Stevenson etc mixed in with Berlioz and Copland) . That 'beginning of the alphabet; thing only applies to 305, 310 and 318 of the ones which are left. And 298 is the last of the 'end of the alphabet' scores. The others come from any old where.

It is a big orchestra, isn't it. A pertinent point.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 03:13:05 AM
I don't recognise 341. But what I can deduce is - it's late Romantic, it's German/Austrian probably, but it's not Mahler. It isn't Strauss. Could be Schoenberg's Gurre-Lieder (which I don't know yet...  :-[ )...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:31:18 AM
Oh, you're very good - if, as you say, you don't know it, that is! Those of you who do know it should be ashamed of yourselves! ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P >:D >:D >:D

Yes, this is the manic orchestral postlude to the song of Klaus-Narr, one of many highlights in a score full of highlights. You owe it to yourself to hear this piece, Johan - it suddenly strikes me that one who loves Suk's Summer Tale will certainly love Gurrelieder too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 03:34:54 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:31:18 AM
Oh, you're very good - if, as you say, you don't know it, that is! Those of you who do know it should be ashamed of yourselves! ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P >:D >:D >:D

Yes, this is the manic orchestral postlude to the song of Klaus-Narr, one of many highlights in a score full of highlights. You owe it to yourself to hear this piece, Johan - it suddenly strikes me that one who loves Suk's Summer Tale will certainly love Gurrelieder too.

Yes, stupid, isn't it... ! Well, my eMusic subscription has just been renewed...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:44:14 AM
Make it top of your pile is my advice - this is a major work which you need to know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 03:52:10 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:44:14 AM
Make it top of your pile is my advice - this is a major work which you need to know.

The Force is strong in you, Master Luke.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:59:31 AM
 ;D I made it sound very dull there, though - it's also about as luscious as late Romanticism gets, without even coming close to lapsing into formless wallowing as other similarly gargantuan, pantheistic works by lesser composers sometimes do. It has a wickedly ironic undertow. And great tunes, too.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 04:06:55 AM
# 331, Thea Musgrave, Narcissus...

# 321, Nadia Boulanger?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 04:10:46 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 07, 2008, 04:06:55 AM
# 331, Thea Musgrave, Narcissus...

Yes

Quote from: Jezetha on July 07, 2008, 04:06:55 AM
# 321, Nadia Boulanger?

No, but very close
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 04:11:41 AM
Lili, then. Have to look which work...

Psalm XXIV? (La terre appartient à l’Éternel)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 04:18:29 AM
Correct composer, wrong piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 07, 2008, 04:33:12 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:31:18 AM
Oh, you're very good - if, as you say, you don't know it, that is! Those of you who do know it should be ashamed of yourselves! ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P >:D >:D >:D

Yes, this is the manic orchestral postlude to the song of Klaus-Narr, one of many highlights in a score full of highlights. You owe it to yourself to hear this piece, Johan - it suddenly strikes me that one who loves Suk's Summer Tale will certainly love Gurrelieder too.

Well, I admit to having heard it a couple of times but don't know it well, so the score excerpt didn't register.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 04:35:08 AM
Psalm 130, from 1917?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 04:36:55 AM
No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 04:39:28 AM
The work is in C minor, for chorus (+ soloist?) and orchestra, and written during the First World War...

Vieille prière bouddhique.

Positive.

???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 04:43:06 AM
Yes.... You're very close, with your guesses, though. The work has been recoded a few times, when I've seen it coupled with the two works you've just mentioned, and is no more or less obscure than them. You've been thinking a little too Christian on this one....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 04:43:41 AM
Gah! One of your edits again!

Yes, that's the one.  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 04:43:44 AM
Look at my latest post!


AAAAHhhh



Edit: And now I'll let my little girl ( 8 ) behind the computer. I've done me bit for the war effort...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 11:03:09 AM
Some more from me. Some very easy, some harder. A cello-ish theme going on - sorry that my scores are not as wide ranging as some other posters', but I just don't have that many scores!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 11:05:24 AM
some more
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 11:06:47 AM
part 3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 11:08:40 AM
Final part
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 11:22:26 AM
# 42, Shostakovich, Tenth Symphony, final movement
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
Guido!!! Good to see you! And you come bearing the promised gifts from the UL, too....  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 11:48:23 AM
Is 45 Christopher Rouse's Cello Concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 11:52:16 AM
And 46 is Ives' last composition, Sunrise, I think, though I'm just checking with the CD
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 11:53:33 AM
Yes, that matches OK
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 12:27:02 PM
48 is evidently Lou Harrison. I don't think it's from his 2nd Suite for Strings (though I may be wrong), so I'm going to guess at either his 1st ditto, or his later (but based on earlier music) Suite for Symphonic Strings.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 12:40:32 PM
51 is clearly Russian. It may be something like the middle movement of Prokofiev's Sinfonia Concertante, though that's a work I've only heard once, a long time ago, so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 02:33:37 PM
Right on the Shostakovich 10th Symphony. Boring I know, but this is my favourite of the 15 - I love this last movement's terrifying manic happyness mixed with utter horror and hideous barbarism. This is one of the few warhorses that speaks to me from start to finish in such an extremely personal way.

Sunrise is also right - really like nothing else in his oevre - especially this page.... one wonders whether it was finished. This tragic, desolate vein is used in very few works other works of his, perhaps most notably and beautifully in his song Like a Sick Eagle (one of the saddest things by any composer I think - written in the shadow of his wife Harmony's miscarriage and emergency hysterectomy)

no.45 is not Rouse's concerto - I'd be interested to see why you thought that though.

48 is Lou Harrison's Suite for Symphonic Strings - Chorale.

I am surprised at your ignorance of Prokofiev's Sinfonia Concertante - it was Shostakovich's favourite piece by Prokofiev and is truly masterly in every way. Took me a long time to get into though - it's enormous and extremely complex. Right piece, wrong movement - this comes from the last movement and is a brilliant example of how a tremendous amount of power is implied without the cello being swamped - great orchestration, and these final few bars are some of the most incredible in the whole piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:41:16 PM
47 - Feldman's Cello and Orchestra, I think
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:43:31 PM
Quote from: Guido on July 07, 2008, 02:33:37 PM
no.45 is not Rouse's concerto - I'd be interested to see why you thought that though.

Because Rouse's Concerto ends with the cello quoting William Schuman's setting of Orpheus with his lute, from which the words appended to the cello part here come, I think.

Quote from: Guido on July 07, 2008, 02:33:37 PM
I am surprised at your ignorance of Prokofiev's Sinfonia Concertante - it was Shostakovich's favourite piece by Prokofiev and is truly masterly in every way. Took me a long time to get into though - it's enormous and extremely complex. Right piece, wrong movement - this comes from the last movement and is a brilliant example of how a tremendous amount of power is implied without the cello being swamped - great orchestration, and these final few bars are some of the most incredible in the whole piece.

Well, then, I think I did quite well to get it  0:) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 02:43:37 PM
Congrats, Luke - 3000 posts!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:47:24 PM
Oh yes! How appropriate that a mention of Feldman should mark this landmark in my longwindedness....  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 02:52:32 PM
Correct on the Feldman.

You have the right composer and almost the right composition title for no.45 Luke - I didn't kow that the Rouse concerto quoted this piece, and you'll now know another reason why... Is the Rouse one that you know well?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 02:55:36 PM
First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? = (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - ? - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg203887.html#msg203887)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 03:11:53 PM
No sorry - not Rouse - Schuman is the correct composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Guido on July 07, 2008, 02:52:32 PM
Correct on the Feldman.

You have the right composer and almost the right composition title for no.45 Luke - I didn't kow that the Rouse concerto quoted this piece, and you'll now know another reason why... Is the Rouse one that you know well?

You can't mean Rouse - there's nothing else for cello + orch in his output. So do you mean Schuman?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:13:28 PM
Ha!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 07, 2008, 03:15:33 PM
A Song of Orpheus (1961)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 07, 2008, 03:24:47 PM
yes! A lovely piece, if not quite top notch. This is from the near the beginning, and shows this beautiful cello solo with strings, and then the prominent harp part (prsumably representing the lute). I always thought that the recording I have by Leonard Rose was extremely beautiful, but I wasn't sure exactly why it was so beautiful in this passage passage... now I know - he plays the double sharps as double sharps rather than as a whole tone above - another testament to the incredibly subtle and intelligent attention to detail lavished on everything he played.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 07, 2008, 10:55:15 PM
My latest acquisition -

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZXH98fBpL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 08, 2008, 02:16:24 AM
 :)

On emusic? All downloaded yet? Let me know what you make of it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 08, 2008, 02:28:29 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 08, 2008, 02:16:24 AM
On emusic? All downloaded yet?

No, on eClassical. Yes, for just 5 dollars (=3,5 euros)!

QuoteLet me know what you make of it.

I will.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 08, 2008, 03:56:01 AM
Very obvious, once you look at it properly - 43 - Arvo Part, Silouans Song
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 08, 2008, 04:00:27 AM
Obvious because clearly a strictly tintinabular work in Part's purer vein - clear T voices and M voices, to use Paul Hillier's terminology, the latter in contrary motion. That fact plus the key signature = Silouans Song, in my mind. And I checked, anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 09, 2008, 04:12:07 PM
Correct of course. I didn't realise that it was so strictly tintinabulum... I wouldn't have guessed just from listening, but luckily I have the score here to have a little look. Is Paul hillier a Part scholar? I'd like to read some stuff about Part's work, especially these really strict early works.

Do I need to give some clues to my other pieces?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 09, 2008, 04:15:40 PM
Also Luke you haven't updated the list to include the Prokofiev Symphony Concerto that you guessed correctly (though this is from the coda of the last movement, rather than the second as you guessed.) and the William Schumann Song of Orpheus too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 09, 2008, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: Guido on July 09, 2008, 04:15:40 PM
Also Luke you haven't updated the list to include the Prokofiev Symphony Concerto that you guessed correctly (though this is from the coda of the last movement, rather than the second as you guessed.) and the William Schumann Song of Orpheus too.

OK, I'll get onto that later - though don't forget, all you guys are 'allowed' to quote the list and modify it too.

Or is that letting a bunch of cats out of a bag.....?  ;D

Paul Hillier has written an excellent book on Part, one of the Oxford composer studies. Really illuminating reading, even if you feel as I did that you already 'get' Part pretty well.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 10, 2008, 02:48:50 AM
First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni’s Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? = (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg203887.html#msg203887)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 10, 2008, 04:09:55 AM
Yes, like that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 10, 2008, 08:57:59 AM
Stickied.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 10, 2008, 01:12:53 PM
Just finished listening to Schoenberg's Gurrelieder for the first time. It's an extraordinary work - the variety is staggering, it is several genres telescoped into one, it looks back and it looks forward, the orchestra is immense and handled in the most inventive way imaginable. It really makes me want to reassess 'contemporary' works (temporally and/or ideally) on a similarly massive scale like Mahler's Eighth, Delius's Mass of Life, Brian's Gothic, Foulds's World Requiem, Korngold's Das Wunder der Heliane. Fascinating. The ending of the work is an ecstatic sunrise, but subtly tinged by melancholy (to these ears, at least).

Gielen's performance is excellent. The soloists are good, too. I don't know whether I like tenor Robert Dean Smith's Waldemar, though. His voice seems a bit constricted (although the tessitura of the part is rather high throughout).

Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 09, 2008, 03:18:22 AM
1 - Fool - IMO the fool needs a much more sardonic tone, complete with Mime-like ungainly hiccuping leaps - Craft's for the most part just sounds like a standard tenor: though his singing itself is nice enough it completely misses the implications of the music and the line of the plot as a whole - that everyone except Waldemar is getting rather tired with all this Romantic heroism and haunting stuff and yearns for a bit of context, and a bit of rest! (Listen to Waldemar's last outburst, straight after this - with the most unbelievable orchestral subtlety Schoenberg manages to bleach out the sound underneath him, so that we can't help but feel that whilst Waldemar still 'means it' everyone else, even the orchestra, is stepping back somewhat, deserting him as light seeps back into the darkness.) (...)

2 - speaker. I simply prefer something a bit more subtle, a bit more full of hushed wonder. Craft's speaker is accurate in terms of pitch (Schoenberg indicates it in a sprechgesang-like manner), and not everyone is in this section, although to be honest it doesn't matter that much. He also gets better as the music progresses, but it's a weak start - he's too perky! - and I find it hard to warm to him after that. (...)

Both Gielen's Fool and Speaker are excellent, IMO, and the orchestral playing is terrific, full of subtle detail and shading which never impairs the onward momentum. Waldemar's Men (track 4 in Part 3) could have more weight, though. The choir seems to be a bit too light. (Btw - I found that whole piece a sort of Schoenbergian 'Klagendes Lied'.)

P.S. It is a joy to read your thoughts about music, Luke. Shades of Wilfrid Mellers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 10, 2008, 04:57:09 PM
Very basic clues to mine:

44 - an early work by this composer, under the shadow of Brahms perhaps, but there is already individuality here.
49 - A fantastic score and one of the great cello concertos. The sense of power that builds through this phrase (and admittedly more so on the next page of the score) with such simple means allowing the cello to be clearly heard is every bit as impressive as the Prokofiev example I showed earlier.
50 - An incredible ethereal atmosphere is conjured here with quite unusual forces. There is a solo piano version too which I may like even more.
52 - A rather obscure piece by this composer but one of the very few that includes a solo cello part! It's a real gem though.

OK... these weren't really clues at all! I'll have to think up some better ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 10, 2008, 09:16:21 PM
50 is Ruggles' Angels. I ought to have got that one a bit quicker....  >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 10, 2008, 11:08:50 PM
And thanks, Johan, for a) your review of the Craft, and your thoughts on the piece in general (so glad you've found it so rewarding!); and b) your kind words.  :) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 11, 2008, 03:52:19 AM
Habit just took me to modify the list to include my identification of Angels (sorry not to wait for confirmation, Guido, but I'm positive, having listened along with the score sample) - but of course, I can't modify it, it being Johan's post. The only thing I can do is quote it, update it, and post it again - but then it appears too soon after its last appearance, I think. It's not fair to ask the last person to diddle with the list to keep it updated, as I was always doing before, so maybe, on second thoughts I ought to remain being the one taking that responsibility on, if no one minds.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 11, 2008, 03:54:23 AM
So having said that, and just in order to get the list into a post of mine from which it can be modified in future, here we go:


First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? = (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg203887.html#msg203887)

Clues to Guido's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg206370.html#msg206370)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 11, 2008, 04:04:35 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 11, 2008, 03:52:19 AM
Habit just took me to modify the list to include my identification of Angels (sorry not to wait for confirmation, Guido, but I'm positive, having listened along with the score sample) - but of course, I can't modify it, it being Johan's post. The only thing I can do is quote it, update it, and post it again - but then it appears too soon after its last appearance, I think. It's not fair to ask the last person to diddle with the list to keep it updated, as I was always doing before, so maybe, on second thoughts I ought to remain being the one taking that responsibility on, if no one minds.

I wouldn't have minded to 'diddle' on, nor do I mind you doing it, Luke. The list is communal property, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 11, 2008, 04:16:55 AM
Yes, it is, but it's better not to have it as a new post every time a single score is identified. More aesthetically pleasing to keep on updating the last appearance of the list with new identifications until such a time - a page or two of thread, perhaps - when it needs to be TTT-ed. In which case the updating becomes the responsibility of the last person to post the list, who is the only one who can modify rather than quote. Simpler if that is one person, as it has been until now - but if you want to do it, please feel free!  ;D I've done enough [.url][/url] posting for a lifetime  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 11, 2008, 04:27:13 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 11, 2008, 04:16:55 AM
Yes, it is, but it's better not to have it as a new post every time a single score is identified. More aesthetically pleasing to keep on updating the last appearance of the list with new identifications until such a time - a page or two of thread, perhaps - when it needs to be TTT-ed. In which case the updating becomes the responsibility of the last person to post the list, who is the only one who can modify rather than quote. Simpler if that is one person, as it has been until now - but if you want to do it, please feel free!  ;D I've done enough [.url][/url] posting for a lifetime  ;D

I can't compete with your experience and expertise, alas...  :'(  ;D

I'll step in as occasion arises.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 11, 2008, 04:46:54 AM
Correct of course Luke. All 3 of my remaining scores are by Americans... Should narrow it down significantly...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 11, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
49 is Barber's Cello Concerto (last movement). Of course it is!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 12, 2008, 05:08:58 AM
Yes, correct of course. This is one of the finest final movement of a concerto that I know of - it has no less power or beauty than either of the previous movements and packs an incredible emotional punch into the relatively short eight minutes that it comprises. Some close friends of his once commented that this (along with the second Symphony) was a memorial to the holocaust and World War II in general - a claim that he never confirmed (or denied), but it is easy and tempting to see why.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 12, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
BTW, re one of mine, it would be advisable to check out the busiest thread on the forum....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 05:44:06 AM
...but hurry up, before it slips too far back...

I've got lots more ready, some of them very easy (we're talking 'popular classics' here  ;D )' a few of moderate difficulty, some looking quite hard but probably simple if you examine them correctly. Ready to go ahead with them, but do you want to identify my remaining ones first? And do you want more clues?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 13, 2008, 05:56:27 AM
Good afternoon, Luke! I have several chores to attend to the coming hours, so this player will be absent... If you want to post new ones, by all means do! About identifying the remaining ones - perhaps a few more minuscule clues could do the trick...

"Bye for now!"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:10:18 AM
OK, the old clues, with added extras....

298 - A pianist-composer known for his sheer effect; a piece in a particular state. This is the one obliquely referred to on the forum's busiest thread in the last day or two.
305 - A great, great composer, much loved by many here, including on this thread, on which he has been present more than once, and recently too. But not associated with this sort of thing. Mostly because he couldn't actually play this instrument. Identified as Berlioz
310 - Wrote an opera on the same subject as an early tone poem by Richard Strauss. Macbeth... Piece identified, Bloch Concerto Grosso
318 - (http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/40/37/23303740.jpg) This family wealth of this composer came from his father's work on an infamous, ambitious project supervised by a famous Baron who thought he should have instead had the title 'aquaduc'.  8) This Baron was also a fine musician, apparently, and I never knew that before! Baron Hausmann... Piece identified, Chausson Poeme
319 - Subject of a currently active thread, mentioned more than once on this one, among other things a pianist of whom even Cortot was in awe, but for whom the piano was a second instrument.  :o The pedal marks, details of string notation and general look of this score are unique to this composer in my experience. Composer better known as a violinist.
322 - Composer of a recently identified score. Might help to look at the piece in a little detail. You did notice the quotation, then?
323 - Unarguably one of the great pieces of chamber opera of the last 30 years, this. The three singers you see are all the opera needs, though they take on two roles each. Here we see the composer's mastery of pastiche - and his twisted sense of humour as, in private reverie over what has just been sung on the previous page, the three singers unwittingly break it up into a more suggestive form..... 'Oh that he held me fast by the cock.... I come....I am aroused....'  >:D $:) 0:)  (<--- funnily enough, those guys are very good ciphers for the three singing at this point!) The main action of this opera is set in a building of very specialised type from which the work takes its name. Piece identified, Maxwell Davies The Lighthouse
324 - This work was almost forgotten by its composer; even when it was rediscovered within his lifetime, he never mentioned it and he never even named it properly (beyond the title Composition for Orchestra, which is not the name I'm looking for). It is linked thematically and chronologically with an early opera of the composer, but is probably more an expression of grief following the death of his son. His daughter died later, and the music which flowed from that event is much more famous. Interestingly, this piece is practically the only instance of D minor in the composer's output - he was obviously aware, as we all are, of the tawdry nature of that key and its aficionados, and he had personal key preferences a little way flat of this. My oh my, I may have said too much in that clue, but that's not surprising, really.
325 - As far as I remember, the first composer from his country to appear on this thread. A student of two great contemporary masters. This piece is somewhat balletic. The country is an island, and is named after a composer. Or maybe that's the other way round...
332 - Relatively recently deceased composer of 'Requiem for a dead poet' - shares a middle name with the main male protagonist of 341. Very much one of Alban's men...
342 - Should be clear who. No, not him, the other one....  ;D Kodaly, Johan has ascertained.
344 - one of the pieces I loved most as a teenager - extraordinary texturally and timbral invention, and superlative orchestration, so that it sounds as fantastic as it looks, not just the grey sludge it could have become. Deliberately scored for a Haydnesque orchestra. The composer - whose name is also that of an important political figure of the last century from the country of 325 - is self-taught, but when younger played the national instrument of his country and in a rock band (called Influx, apparently). His music is both ultra-complex and instantly accessible. Look at the clue for 325 to help you with the relevant part of this clue.
34 - palindromic. Who does that sort of thing....? I has a piece by him a ling time ago, which was also partly palindromic; my sample showed the middle point of the palindrome. That score was guessed by someone from the same country as this composer. And he won't let us forget it....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:13:33 AM
15 more, then. Be patient whilst I upload them! As I said, some come from extremely well-known works. And I'm not just saying that.

LO 346
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:14:37 AM
LO 347
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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:15:34 AM
LO 348

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:16:25 AM
LO 349

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:17:12 AM
LO 350

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:17:51 AM
LO 351

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:18:45 AM
LO 352

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:19:38 AM
LO 353

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:20:57 AM
LO 354

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:21:43 AM
LO 355

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:22:33 AM
LO 356

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:23:28 AM
LO 357

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:24:22 AM
LO 358

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Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:25:20 AM
LO 359

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:26:10 AM
last one

LO 360

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:31:42 AM
First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - Berlioz - Rustic Serenade - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - Bloch - Concerto Grosso no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - Chausson - Poeme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)
346 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207192.html#msg207192)
347 - Saint-Saens - Organ Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207194.html#msg207194)
348 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207196.html#msg207196)
349 - Tavener - The Protecting Veil - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207197.html#msg207197)
350 - Orff - Carmina Burana - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207198.html#msg207198)
351 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207199.html#msg207199)
352 - ?Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien - (Mark) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207200.html#msg207200)
353 - Bizet - Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207202.html#msg207202)
354 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207204.html#msg207204)
355 - Haydn - Symhpony no 6 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207205.html#msg207205)
356 - Rachmaninov - Piano concerto 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207206.html#msg207206)
357 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207207.html#msg207207)
358 - Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207210.html#msg207210)
359 - Tavener - Coplas (Ultimos Ritos) - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207211.html#msg207211)
360 - Verdi - Aida - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207212.html#msg207212)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Set by Greg
32 - Haydn - Symphony no 99 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207317.html#msg207317)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207190.html#msg207190)

Clues to Guido's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg206370.html#msg206370)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 13, 2008, 07:41:20 AM
I should probably check with the recordings before venturing guesses, but what the heck:

LO 356 is Rach. 3rd piano concerto, 2nd movement

358 is the choral interlude in Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 07:46:33 AM
Those are both correct, Mark. Keep going!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 08:14:13 AM
The most obvious ones for me right now:

310 Bloch Macbeth
350 Orff Carmina Burana
347 Saint-Saens Organ Symphony
353 Bizet Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 08:14:13 AM
The most obvious ones for me right now:

310 Bloch Macbeth
350 Orff Carmina Burana
347 Saint-Saens Organ Symphony
353 Bizet Symphony

Correct except 310 - I didn't say this was from an opera called Macbeth, I said its composer had written such an opera. Yes, it is Bloch, however.

I was hoping 347 might fool people into thinking it was a piano concerto....  ;D ;D >:D >:D  >:( >:( >:(

So - one is Carmina Burana! As I said, some 'popular classics' here, of the 'Teresa' type. At least one more remaining, possibly more depending on your classifications of such things.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 13, 2008, 10:22:20 AM
I'm going to guess that 352 is the next to last page of Tchaikovsky's Capriccio Italian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on July 13, 2008, 10:22:20 AM
I'm going to guess that 352 is the next to last page of Tchaikovsky's Capriccio Italian.

I think you're right. 360 is from the ballet music to Verdi's Aida, Act 2.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
305 - if this is piano music, the most likely guess is Berlioz. But what? I wonder if it's from one of those more obscure works like Lelio. Kind of a wild guess at this point.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 12:27:12 PM
Mark's right on the Tchaikovsky, and Sforz is right on the Verdi. He's also correct that 305 is Berlioz, but it isn't from Lelio.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 13, 2008, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 06:10:18 AM

34 - palindromic. Who does that sort of thing....? I has a piece by him a ling time ago, which was also partly palindromic; my sample showed the middle point of the palindrome. That score was guessed by someone from the same country as this composer. And he won't let us forget it....
gee, could this be Berg?

(or if not, Webern?)


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
No, and no. Berg may be music's most famous palindromist (palindromedary?), but this guy was even more obsessed by this and similar methods of construction. He used to live quite near to me when I was a little boy, but I don't claim to have had a huge influence on him  ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P

Come to think of it, a 'palindromedary' would be this, wouldn't it....

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41073000/jpg/_41073053_sahara2_220bbc.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 13, 2008, 01:18:27 PM
# 318 is Chausson, Poème, op. 25 for violin and orchestra.

# 323 is Peter Maxwell Davies, "The Lighthouse"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 13, 2008, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
No, and no. Berg may be music's most famous palindromist (palindromedary?), but this guy was even more obsessed by this and similar methods of construction. He used to live quite near to me when I was a little boy, but I don't claim to have had a huge influence on him  ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P
ummm...... Ronald McDonald?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 13, 2008, 01:39:59 PM
here's one, i was following along while listening, so i decided hey why not.......


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on July 13, 2008, 01:39:59 PM
here's one, i was following along while listening, so i decided hey why not.......

That's from the first movement to one of the Haydn London symphonies, 99 if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 13, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 01:48:52 PM
That's from the first movement to one of the Haydn London symphonies, 99 if I recall correctly.
Man, you're good!
The very first symphony i started listening to (along with Schubert's 8th) and got into.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 13, 2008, 01:18:27 PM
# 318 is Chausson, Poème, op. 25 for violin and orchestra.

# 323 is Peter Maxwell Davies, "The Lighthouse"


Both correct - anyone else admire this opera as I do?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 02:28:42 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 01:52:21 PM
Both correct - anyone else admire this opera as I do?

Don't know it. I believe your Bloch could be the Concerto Grosso No.1, for String Orchestra with Piano Obbligato.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 12:27:12 PM
Mark's right on the Tchaikovsky, and Sforz is right on the Verdi. He's also correct that 305 is Berlioz, but it isn't from Lelio.

Didn't really think it was, but too lazy to verify. At least my guess told me I had the composer right. Berlioz wrote almost nothing for solo piano, so unless this is an arrangement, it could be the one solo piano piece in Groves's work list, an Album Leaf from 1844.

The resemblance of part of this piece to "He shall feed his flock" from Messiah must be coincidental (I hope).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 13, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
LO349 is Tavener's Protecting Veil. Must give that another listen soon!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on July 13, 2008, 06:28:56 PM
LO 359 is Ultimos Ritos by John Tavener. (the quotation of the basso ostinato from the Crucifixus from Bach's B-minor Mass at the end was a big clue).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 07:06:25 PM
These are all correct. I'll give Chrone the Tavener, although the score I have, technically, isn't that piece but is Coplas. This went on to become the 5th movement of Ultimos Ritos, so Chrone is nevertheless right.

Sforzando, the Berlioz piece does contain a direct quotation, but it isn't of Handel, it's of a Neapolitan folktune also found in a sonata of Scarlatti's, though Berlioz's treatment of it is more extensive.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 14, 2008, 03:51:58 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 13, 2008, 07:06:25 PM
These are all correct. I'll give Chrone the Tavener, although the score I have, technically, isn't that piece but is Coplas. This went on to become the 5th movement of Ultimos Ritos, so Chrone is nevertheless right.

Sforzando, the Berlioz piece does contain a direct quotation, but it isn't of Handel, it's of a Neapolitan folktune also found in a sonata of Scarlatti's, though Berlioz's treatment of it is more extensive.

Is it the piano part to a vocal piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 04:05:18 AM
No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 14, 2008, 04:06:28 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 04:05:18 AM
No.

Is it part of an opera or orchestral work?

Is it an arrangement or original writing for the piano?

Does it only look like piano writing and is actually for another instrument?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 04:13:44 AM
It is a piano solo piece, one of only a very small number by Berlioz. I can't swear that it doesn't appear in another form somewhere else, but the editor's notes on the piece at the front of the edition don't mention this.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 14, 2008, 04:27:12 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 04:13:44 AM
It is a piano solo piece, one of only a very small number by Berlioz. I can't swear that it doesn't appear in another form somewhere else, but the editor's notes on the piece at the front of the edition don't mention this.

Not the Album Leaf from 1844? That is the only piano solo piece I see referenced in Grove from 1981.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 05:19:10 AM
There are three piano pieces in my 'complete Berlioz piano music' score, published in 1984 - none of them date from 1844! Nor are any of them called 'Album Leaf'.....so we can fairly safely say 1) no it's not and 2) Grove is wrong.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 14, 2008, 05:37:44 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 05:19:10 AM
There are three piano pieces in my 'complete Berlioz piano music' score, published in 1984 - none of them date from 1844! Nor are any of them called 'Album Leaf'.....so we can fairly safely say 1) no it's not and 2) Grove is wrong.  ;)

Or 3) I missed it in the work list or 4) it was only discovered after Groves came out in 1981 (the Messe Solennelle is listed there as "lost," which we know is no longer true). But I don't have any further resources to track down the contents of your volume, and so must bow out of this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 14, 2008, 05:45:41 AM
Souvenirs--Betises--Improvisations? (1842)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 08:18:41 AM
No. But you're both in the right decade, if that helps. When I get home in a couple of hours I will post the answer to this one and maybe some others too.

As I said before, some of my previous set came from big popular favourites. One of the most famous of all, the Orff, was identified fairly quickly, but an equally famous one remains. The seventh one, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 14, 2008, 08:33:00 AM
355 is the second movement of Haydn's Symphony no. 6 Le Matin
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 08:34:00 AM
Well done! As with the Saint Saens one, I was hoping someone would think this was a concerto  >:D No such luck....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 14, 2008, 08:55:28 AM
The interesting thing about that example is that Haydn is clearly trying to write something for which there was no means of notating until the time of Penderecki. The series of repeated notes for the solo violin is probably intended to accelerate in a non-measured fashion (I assume the asterisks in the score explain that), something that would be handled today with the Penderecki "feathered beaming" which widen as the figure accelerates.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 09:01:30 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on July 14, 2008, 08:55:28 AM
The interesting thing about that example is that Haydn is clearly trying to write something for which there was no means of notating until the time of Penderecki. The series of repeated notes for the solo violin is probably intended to accelerate in a non-measured fashion (I assume the asterisks in the score explain that), something that would be handled today with the Penderecki "feathered beaming" which widen as the figure accelerates.

Can't remember what the footnote says - I'll check later.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 12:19:16 PM
The footnote says the four semiquavers (sixteenths for those of delicate sensitivities like Sforzando) stand for eight demis (32nds), and refer to another source from Salzburg for more on this.

OK, the Berlioz is a 'Rustic Serenade' originally titled 'Rustic Serenade to the Virgin'; it dates from 1845 and is based on the 'Theme of the Roman Pifferari' which was apparently popular in Naples especially over the novenario (nine days before Christmas). As I said, Scarlatti uses this theme in the sonata K 513 too.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 14, 2008, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on July 14, 2008, 08:55:28 AM
The interesting thing about that example is that Haydn is clearly trying to write something for which there was no means of notating until the time of Penderecki. The series of repeated notes for the solo violin is probably intended to accelerate in a non-measured fashion (I assume the asterisks in the score explain that), something that would be handled today with the Penderecki "feathered beaming" which widen as the figure accelerates.
Interesting....... i think i know what you mean by this explanation, although i've never heard the symphony. Just checked back, i see- just what i thought- no accompaniment or other voices with it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 14, 2008, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 12:19:16 PM
The footnote says the four semiquavers (sixteenths for those of delicate sensitivities like Sforzando) stand for eight demis (32nds), and refer to another source from Salzburg for more on this.

well then, H.C. Robbins Landon is a party pooper, that's what he is. I liked thinking of it as Haydn's attempt to write a accelerando.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 14, 2008, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 12:19:16 PM
The footnote says the four semiquavers (sixteenths for those of delicate sensitivities like Sforzando) stand for eight demis (32nds), and refer to another source from Salzburg for more on this.

OK, the Berlioz is a 'Rustic Serenade' originally titled 'Rustic Serenade to the Virgin'; it dates from 1845 and is based on the 'Theme of the Roman Pifferari' which was apparently popular in Naples especially over the novenario (nine days before Christmas). As I said, Scarlatti uses this theme in the sonata K 513 too.



Ah. Here's the problem. Hugh MacDonald in Grove's says Berlioz wrote nothing for solo piano, and that this collection of three pieces from 1844 is actually for the "orgue-mélodium" (harmonium). Groves does however list a Feuillet d'Album for piano from 1844, which was not published in the Breitkopf Berlioz edition but which does appear in the New Berlioz Edition, vol. 13.

- Sfz of the most delicate sensibilities
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 14, 2008, 07:04:23 PM
Ah. Here's the problem. Hugh MacDonald in Grove's says Berlioz wrote nothing for solo piano, and that this collection of three pieces from 1844 is actually for the "orgue-mélodium" (harmonium). Groves does however list a Feuillet d'Album for piano from 1844, which was not published in the Breitkopf Berlioz edition but which does appear in the New Berlioz Edition, vol. 13.

Interesting - and as you hint, self-contradictory. Berlioz wrote nothing for piano.....but there is a Feuillet d'Album! One website I've seen does list these three pieces as composed for harmonium in 1844, but in that case I find it inexplicable that the edition I have seems to be unequivocal, giving a date of composition of 1845, separately (so it can't be a misprint), for each piece, and not mentioning the harmonium at all!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 07:23:10 AM
Was I right about the Ernest Bloch a few pages ago?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 07:53:35 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 14, 2008, 11:21:45 PM
Interesting - and as you hint, self-contradictory. Berlioz wrote nothing for piano.....but there is a Feuillet d'Album! One website I've seen does list these three pieces as composed for harmonium in 1844, but in that case I find it inexplicable that the edition I have seems to be unequivocal, giving a date of composition of 1845, separately (so it can't be a misprint), for each piece, and not mentioning the harmonium at all!

http://www.usd.edu/smm/Exhibitions/BeethovenBerlioz/BBHarmonium.html
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 11:03:19 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 07:23:10 AM
Was I right about the Ernest Bloch a few pages ago?


Yes - sorry, I thought I'd confirmed. I updated the list, if that's any consolation!  ;D

Still very surprised no one's got the very famous one I pointed out to you a few posts back.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:10:33 PM
TTT

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - Weissenberg - Sonate en etat de Jazz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - Berlioz - Rustic Serenade - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - Bloch - Concerto Grosso no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - Chausson - Poeme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - Enescu - Piano Quintet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329  - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)
346 - Bizet - L'Arlesienne (suite 1) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207192.html#msg207192)
347 - Saint-Saens - Organ Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207194.html#msg207194)
348 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207196.html#msg207196)
349 - Tavener - The Protecting Veil - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207197.html#msg207197)
350 - Orff - Carmina Burana - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207198.html#msg207198)
351 - Holst - The Planets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207199.html#msg207199)
352 - ?Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien - (Mark) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207200.html#msg207200)
353 - Bizet - Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207202.html#msg207202)
354 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207204.html#msg207204)
355 - Haydn - Symhpony no 6 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207205.html#msg207205)
356 - Rachmaninov - Piano concerto 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207206.html#msg207206)
357 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207207.html#msg207207)
358 - Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207210.html#msg207210)
359 - Tavener - Coplas (Ultimos Ritos) - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207211.html#msg207211)
360 - Verdi - Aida - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207212.html#msg207212)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Set by Greg
32 - Haydn - Symphony no 99 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207317.html#msg207317)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207190.html#msg207190)

Clues to Guido's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg206370.html#msg206370)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 11:03:19 AM

Yes - sorry, I thought I'd confirmed. I updated the list, if that's any consolation!  ;D

Still very surprised no one's got the very famous one I pointed out to you a few posts back.

Which very famous one this time?   :) :D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:25:27 PM
You really need telling?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 15, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:22:30 PM
Which very famous one this time?   :) :D ;D

;D

'Very famous' in Luke's lexicon sometimes equals 'mildly obscure' in the standard one.

Edit: But perhaps not this time. And we're simply dumb!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:33:01 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:25:27 PM
You really need telling?

Well, if you mean 351, the Neptune movement from Holst's The Planets, it was so obvious I was going to leave it for Teresa.  :D

(That bass oboe is a dead giveaway.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:44:21 PM
OK, the old clues, with added extras.... and now with even more of them!

298 - A pianist-composer known for his sheer effect; a piece in a particular state. This is the one obliquely referred to on the forum's busiest thread in the last day or two. The CD is a fairly newly-released one, by one of today's most famous pianists, also a composer who has been on this thread
319 - Subject of a currently active thread, mentioned more than once on this one, among other things a pianist of whom even Cortot was in awe, but for whom the piano was a second instrument.  :o The pedal marks, details of string notation and general look of this score are unique to this composer in my experience. Composer better known as a violinist. I don't think you're even trying - that isn't a clue, merely an admonishment  ;D ;D $:) $:)
322 - Composer of a recently identified score. Might help to look at the piece in a little detail. You did notice the quotation, then? You'd better get this one quickly or I promise you'll be able to hear my complaints even if you're many miles away.
324 - This work was almost forgotten by its composer; even when it was rediscovered within his lifetime, he never mentioned it and he never even named it properly (beyond the title Composition for Orchestra, which is not the name I'm looking for). It is linked thematically and chronologically with an early opera of the composer, but is probably more an expression of grief following the death of his son. His daughter died later, and the music which flowed from that event is much more famous. Interestingly, this piece is practically the only instance of D minor in the composer's output - he was obviously aware, as we all are, of the tawdry nature of that key and its aficionados, and he had personal key preferences a little way flat of this. My oh my, I may have said too much in that clue, but that's not surprising, really. That early opera shares the title and heroine of a symphonic poem (one of a famous set) by a compatriot of this composer.
325 - As far as I remember, the first composer from his country to appear on this thread. A student of two great contemporary masters. This piece is somewhat balletic. The country is an island, and is named after a composer. Or maybe that's the other way round... OK, then, that country is an IRELAND
332 - Relatively recently deceased composer of 'Requiem for a dead poet' - shares a middle name with the main male protagonist of 341. Very much one of Alban's men... Or Ingmar's, I suppose...
342 - Should be clear who. No, not him, the other one....  ;D Kodaly, Johan has ascertained.  I'm on the verge of just giving you this one, as it is only what it seems to be. Have a guess before I reveal it. That isn't a clue, by the way.
344 - one of the pieces I loved most as a teenager - extraordinary texturally and timbral invention, and superlative orchestration, so that it sounds as fantastic as it looks, not just the grey sludge it could have become. Deliberately scored for a Haydnesque orchestra. The composer - whose name is also that of an important political figure of the last century from the country of 325 - is self-taught, but when younger played the national instrument of his country and in a rock band (called Influx, apparently). His music is both ultra-complex and instantly accessible. Look at the clue for 325 to help you with the relevant part of this clue. Therefore, given my new update to the clue for 325, it is clear that the famous politician with whom this composer shares his name is Irish.
34 - palindromic. Who does that sort of thing....? I has a piece by him a ling time ago, which was also partly palindromic; my sample showed the middle point of the palindrome. That score was guessed by someone from the same country as this composer. And he won't let us forget it.... though he doesn't hang around this thread as much as he should anymore  :'( As I told Greg, when I was a boy, I lived not far from this composer, but he wasn't a native of my country

And a first set of clues for my newer ones. Though you really shouldn't need them for some of these.  $:)

346 - composer has appeared on this thread recently; prior to that his last appearance was much nearer the beginning of the thread. This is from one of his best known works, and a look at the orchestra will almost certainly help. (Too much of a clue, methinks, forget I said it)
348 - composer appeared in this very same set of pieces.
351 - Just over a week to go until the big day! Damn, Sforz got it! IT was hard thinking up a cryptic enough clue for this one! (July 23rd was the day of the Neptunalia)
354 - Voices missing
357 - Only slightly less famous than the original work in this genre, composed by a great Hungarian composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:45:26 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:33:01 PM
Well, if you mean 351, the Neptune movement from Holst's The Planets, it was so obvious I was going to leave it for Teresa.  :D

(That bass oboe is a dead giveaway.)

Funny sort of 'dead giveaway'...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 15, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
;D

'Very famous' in Luke's lexicon sometimes equals 'mildly obscure' in the standard one.

Edit: But perhaps not this time. And we're simply dumb!

You need to trust more, Johan.  ;D

More famous ones left....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:45:26 PM
Funny sort of 'dead giveaway'...  ;D

How many other scores use one? In case you're wondering:

http://knittinreed.blogspot.com/2008/02/4th-week.html

It apparently bridges the gap between the oboe and the bassoon, having its lowest Bb between the lowest notes of those two instruments.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:54:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:44:21 PM
346 - composer has appeared on this thread recently; prior to that his last appearance was much nearer the beginning of the thread. This is from one of his best known works, and a look at the orchestra will almost certainly help. (Too much of a clue, methinks, forget I said it)

An E-flat saxophone, and all those cue notes. Must mean something. I probably know this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:49:13 PM
How many other scores use one? In case you're wondering:

http://knittinreed.blogspot.com/2008/02/4th-week.html

It apparently bridges the gap between the oboe and the bassoon, having its lowest Bb between the lowest notes of those two instruments.

There's one in Tippett's Triple Concerto, and presumably he uses it elsewhere. It's also in Brian's Gothic and his Das Siegeslied. Those are the only places I can remember it, but I'm sure it's elsewhere too. It's not quite the same thing as the Heckelphone, which appears all over the place e.g. in the Alpensinfonie and suchlike....

But what I meant was - a dead giveaway usually gives the game away quicker than that.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:57:28 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 12:54:52 PM
An E-flat saxophone, and all those cue notes. Must mean something. I probably know this one.

I'm sure you do. The sax is the clue, more than the cues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 12:57:28 PM
I'm sure you do. The sax is the clue, more than the cues.

I'd have to check, as it's not a piece I know by heart, but V-W 6 seems a likely guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 01:09:31 PM
No. I am sure you know this piece better than that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 15, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 15, 2008, 01:09:31 PM
No. I am sure you know this piece better than that.

Maybe I do. It really didn't look like VW's style. More thought is needed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:05:42 AM
A nice picture to help you think...

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 05:05:53 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:05:42 AM
A nice picture to help you think...



Van Gogh . . . Arles . . . . L'Arlésienne . . . Bizet . . . .  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 05:13:42 AM
 ;D ;D

(That's a 'View of Arles with irises', of course)

The end of the first number of the first suite, in fact. Such a famous piece, but more for the 'big tune' that dominates it than for the music per se, perhaps, which explains why it wasn't as easy as it should have been.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 05:27:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 05:13:42 AM
;D ;D

(That's a 'View of Arles with irises', of course)

The end of the first number of the first suite, in fact. Such a famous piece, but more for the 'big tune' that dominates it than for the music per se, perhaps, which explains why it wasn't as easy as it should have been.

If all you provide is a final cadence . . . .  :D

I'll keep at the others. Poco a poco. . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 05:34:35 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 05:27:41 AM
If all you provide is a final cadence . . . .  :D

Quite a striking one, though...

Maybe you can tell that I challenged myself with that last set - to find passages in well-known scores which were nevertheless hard to identify, whilst not being atypical of the work as a whole. I think I succeeded best with the Holst, which after all is pretty much the popular classic to end all popular classics. Of the two which remain there's still one left which almost everyone here knows, I'm sure. I'd be surprised if you and the rest of the habituees of this thread (who, let's face it, are a cut above, don't you think?  ;D ;D 0:) 0:) ) didn't know both, though.

Quote from: Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 05:27:41 AM
I'll keep at the others. Poco a poco. . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 05:34:35 AM
Quite a striking one, though...

Maybe you can tell that I challenged myself with that last set - to find passages in well-known scores which were nevertheless hard to identify, whilst not being atypical of the work as a whole. I think I succeeded best with the Holst, which after all is pretty much the popular classic to end all popular classics. Of the two which remain there's still one left which almost everyone here knows, I'm sure. I'd be surprised if you and the rest of the habituees of this thread (who, let's face it, are a cut above, don't you think?  ;D ;D 0:) 0:) ) didn't know both, though.


I of course agree we're a cut above. Maybe two.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 16, 2008, 06:42:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:05:42 AM
A nice picture to help you think...


I like this one better:
>:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 06:45:13 AM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on July 16, 2008, 06:42:23 AM
I like this one better:
>:D

But it not arlésienne, and therefore not as good a clue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 16, 2008, 06:52:47 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 06:45:13 AM
But it not arlésienne, and therefore not as good a clue.
No it not, but it cool.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 16, 2008, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 06:22:31 AM
I of course agree we're a cut above. Maybe two.

And that, Sfz, was the unkindest cut. Fie, fie!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 08:32:19 AM
Yeah, but who's going to know? Only us enlightened ones read this thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 08:38:42 AM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on July 16, 2008, 06:52:47 AM
No it not, but it cool.

But it not as cool as you cool, GGGRRRRREEEEGGG.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 16, 2008, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 08:32:19 AM
Yeah, but who's going to know? Only us enlightened ones read this thread.  ;D

Hoist with our own petard, to continue in the Shakespearean vein. But I'll have a look. Again...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 16, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
Okay - #319 Enescu, Piano Quintet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
That's more like it! Only Enescu scores look like that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 16, 2008, 12:15:37 PM
Excellent. I checked some scores at IMSLP, and they looked similar...

#298 isn't Alkan, is it? That famous pianist who is also a composer must be Hamelin...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:03:48 PM
No, it's not Alkan. But the pianist on the CD is Hamelin, that's certainly correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 16, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
Godowsky?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 16, 2008, 01:09:19 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
That's more like it! Only Enescu scores look like that.

I don't think I have any Enescu scores.  :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:10:38 PM
You need to remedy that, Sforzando - they are quite extraordinary, very finely detailed, like nothing else of their time.


Nope on the Godowsky.

Must be a few days since the disc appeared on the What Are You Listening To? thread. And the composer isn't mentioned by name on it. Bear in mind my clue, which I quite like  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 16, 2008, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:10:38 PM
Nope on the Godowsky.

Must be a few days since the disc appeared on the What Are You Listening To? thread. And the composer isn't mentioned by name on it. Bear in mind my clue, which I quite like  ;D

I'll soldier on.

Okay: Sonate en état de jazz -  Alexis Weissenberg (in a particular state)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M6yhx1x4L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:30:54 PM
That's right! And the 'sheer effect'? -

QuoteThe Weissenberg number is a dimensionless number used in the study of viscoelastic flows. It is named after Karl Weissenberg. The dimensionless number is the ratio of the relaxation time of the fluid and a specific process time. For instance, in simple steady shear, the Weissenberg number, often abbreviated as Wi or We, is defined as the shear rate times the relaxation time
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 16, 2008, 01:32:39 PM
Very ingenious... You must have had fun, you cruel man.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 16, 2008, 01:35:35 PM
I will admit that was a tricky one. The rest are easier, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 12:27:11 AM
(Four days later) Obviously not....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 12:31:30 AM
To make things a little easier, let's TTT this

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - Weissenberg - Sonate en etat de Jazz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - Berlioz - Rustic Serenade - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - Bloch - Concerto Grosso no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - Chausson - Poeme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - Enescu - Piano Quintet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - Janacek - Adagio - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329 - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - Bergman - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)
346 - Bizet - L'Arlesienne (suite 1) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207192.html#msg207192)
347 - Saint-Saens - Organ Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207194.html#msg207194)
348 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207196.html#msg207196)
349 - Tavener - The Protecting Veil - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207197.html#msg207197)
350 - Orff - Carmina Burana - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207198.html#msg207198)
351 - Holst - The Planets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207199.html#msg207199)
352 - Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien - (Mark) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207200.html#msg207200)
353 - Bizet - Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207202.html#msg207202)
354 - Janacek - Glagolitic Mass - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207204.html#msg207204)
355 - Haydn - Symhpony no 6 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207205.html#msg207205)
356 - Rachmaninov - Piano concerto 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207206.html#msg207206)
357 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207207.html#msg207207)
358 - Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207210.html#msg207210)
359 - Tavener - Coplas (Ultimos Ritos) - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207211.html#msg207211)
360 - Verdi - Aida - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207212.html#msg207212)
361 - Strauss - Alpensinfonie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg209621.html#msg209621)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Set by Greg
32 - Haydn - Symphony no 99 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207317.html#msg207317)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207969.html#msg207969)

Clues to Guido's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg206370.html#msg206370)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 12:34:56 AM
And I'll offer up the fact that my 354 is very well known, and deservedly so - not to the extent of The Planets or Carmina Burana, but certainly one of the most famous works of the 20th century. As I said, the vocal parts (choral) are missing. (So is much of the orchestra, of course)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 02:22:24 PM
....OK, it is not the only piece of its type, but it is by far the most famous.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 20, 2008, 02:28:11 PM
It has been looking tantalizingly familiar for days, Luke. It's on the tip of my... well, not tongue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 02:29:40 PM
One of the other examples was composed by a certain Jake Rolands, apparently. Or something like that.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 20, 2008, 02:33:36 PM
It's Janacek! Glagolitic Mass!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 02:40:49 PM
Of course!

(Jake Rolands being one of the many pseudonyms of the Czech polymath Václav Jaroslav Karel Pinkava (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_K%C5%99esadlo) - novelist, poet, scientist, psychologist, illustrator and composer, the latter under the name Ferdinand Lučovický z Lučovic a na Suchým dole. At his own website (http://kresadlo.cz/), one can download a score of his Glagolitic Mass (http://kresadlo.cz/GM.pdf))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 02:51:44 PM
Now, would it help if I said that, not only are all but two of my remaining ones by composers featured previously on this thread, but three of them are by composers featured in my last couple of sets?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 20, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 02:51:44 PM
Now, would it help if I said that, not only are all but two of my remaining ones by composers featured previously on this thread, but three of them are by composers featured in my last couple of sets?

Of course that would help. But I think I'll check what this teasing lifting of the veil has revealed tomorrow...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 20, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
Of course that would help.

OK, then. Consider it said.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 20, 2008, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 20, 2008, 02:40:49 PM
Of course!

(Jake Rolands being one of the many pseudonyms of the Czech polymath Václav Jaroslav Karel Pinkava (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_K%C5%99esadlo) - novelist, poet, scientist, psychologist, illustrator and composer, the latter under the name Ferdinand Lučovický z Lučovic a na Suchým dole. At his own website (http://kresadlo.cz/), one can download a score of his Glagolitic Mass (http://kresadlo.cz/GM.pdf))

Ah well. That's embarrassing. It's not as if I have never heard the work or seen the score. But some pieces I know better than others. Sigh.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 02:43:03 AM
It's obvious once one knows the answer - those caressing clarinets and soaring cellos - but I did choose a page which, being a transition, is in a state of flux: the very Janacekian motives are less clearly defined here than elsewhere, and that makes it trickier.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 05:26:39 AM
The remaining ones of minw. Latest clues are in....let's see, what colour shall we have this time......GREEN
322 - Composer of a recently identified score. (So that makes this one of them, then!) Might help to look at the piece in a little detail. You did notice the quotation, then? You'd better get this one quickly or I promise you'll be able to hear my complaints even if you're many miles away.This well-known composer didn't have a huge output and is best known for one work, already on this thread. He was the teacher of someone who himself became one of the most famous of musical teachers
332 - Relatively recently deceased composer of 'Requiem for a dead poet' - shares a middle name with the main male protagonist of 341. Very much one of Alban's men... Or Ingmar's, I suppose... Comes from the land of Poju Johan got the composer - Erik Bergman - but maybe it got lost in the melee. I think the piece, for soprano and cello, ought to be findable with this knowledge, so I'll leave it for a while just to see if this prompt helps.
342 - Should be clear who. No, not him, the other one....  ;D Kodaly, Johan has ascertained.  I'm on the verge of just giving you this one, as it is only what it seems to be. Have a guess before I reveal it. That isn't a clue, by the way. OK, I'll reveal that one in a minute. Damn, I never did. As I said, it's just what it seems to be - it's from his set of arrangements simply entitled 'Hungairan Folk Music'. So now you don't have to bother with this one.
344 - one of the pieces I loved most as a teenager - extraordinary texturally and timbral invention, and superlative orchestration, so that it sounds as fantastic as it looks, not just the grey sludge it could have become. Deliberately scored for a Haydnesque orchestra. The composer - whose name is also that of an important political figure of the last century from the country of 325 - is self-taught, but when younger played the national instrument of his country and in a rock band (called Influx, apparently). His music is both ultra-complex and instantly accessible. Look at the clue for 325 to help you with the relevant part of this clue. Therefore, given my new update to the clue for 325, it is clear that the famous politician with whom this composer shares his name is Irish. This composer isn't Irish, though - but he does come from another Celtic country, very nearby. The noo. OK, I don't think new clues are required, just a clarification of the previous one. He's Scotish, a contemporary, 'complexity' composer (though he might not like the classification). There's really only one of those. This is probably my favourite piece by him, and I've mentioned it many times in the past, though not so much recently. It has a two-part name which suggests the structure of the piece.  
34 - palindromic. Who does that sort of thing....? I has a piece by him a ling time ago, which was also partly palindromic; my sample showed the middle point of the palindrome. That score was guessed by someone from the same country as this composer. And he won't let us forget it.... though he doesn't hang around this thread as much as he should anymore  :'( As I told Greg, when I was a boy, I lived not far from this composer, but he wasn't a native of my country Where is Maciek, anyway? Similarly, clarification rather than much new stuff: a Polish composer who lived in London. A proper, well-known composer too, not one of those unknown bunch of consonants Maciek usually throws at us  ;D ;D :-* :-* OK, a bit of new information: this is a piano work concerned in all manner of ways with the number five
348 - composer appeared in this very same set of pieces. More than once
357 - Only slightly less famous than the original work in this genre, composed by a great Hungarian composer. Another one that The Pole would know inside out, were he to grace us with his presence. So, likewise, a famous Pole - as much as and probably more than the last one. An early pioneer of aleatory techniques, but not in a Cageian way. There, it ought to be easy now.

Can we get these before I go all round the rainbow please?  0:) 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 21, 2008, 05:29:52 AM
# 324 Šárka...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 05:31:41 AM
Well, now you're on the trail yes - though, as the clue says, this isn't from that opera, only linked with it. Who wrote this Sarka, anyway? There is a choice....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 05:35:51 AM
Whilst we're here, I have a new one for you - just one, and it's only wafer-thin, to coin a phrase. One of the most interesting set of rests in music, IMO. Obviously this is extracted from the score - there's other stuff going on here.

LO 361



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 21, 2008, 05:44:11 AM
I'll have a think, Luke, whilst my little girl is hogging the computer the coming hour... (German opera, so much is clear, or is it...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 05:50:42 AM
How did you get Sarka? What makes you think this is German?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 05:52:47 AM
Oh, stupid me - you must be referring to 361. No comment.

(The Sarka-linked one, of course, is Czech)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 05:58:08 AM
Stuff it - I will comment! I can see why you'd think this is opera - the phrase 'in sanfter Ekstase' looks like the sort of thing one might write as an 'expression' direction to a singer, in the gap before, after, or during an aria. And it is that sort of thing - but this isn't vocal music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 21, 2008, 07:22:57 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 05:58:08 AM
Stuff it - I will comment! I can see why you'd think this is opera - the phrase 'in sanfter Ekstase' looks like the sort of thing one might write as an 'expression' direction to a singer, in the gap before, after, or during an aria. And it is that sort of thing - but this isn't vocal music.

Okay. Funny that a composer would mark a passage in an instrumental work in this way...

# 324 is again Janacek, Adagio, if I have researched well (published together with the Jealousy Overture, by Universal Edition)...

# 361 It's Strauss, Alpensinfonie (the operatic link is there after all!)

# 332 Erik (Valdemar) Bergman
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 21, 2008, 07:22:57 AM
Okay. Funny that a composer would mark a passage in an instrumental work in this way...

See below...

Quote from: Jezetha on July 21, 2008, 07:22:57 AM
# 324 is again Janacek, Adagio, if I have researched well (published together with the Jealousy Overture, by Universal Edition)...

Research is correct - though UE published them separately too (I have both scores - watch out, because Zarlivost may appear here someday......  ;D ). Adagio is early Janacek, but a really beautiful piece, somewhere between the 'op 3' Suite and Amarus in style. If you know those ravishing pieces, you'll know what an attractive prospect that is. You know where to come if you want to hear it....

Quote from: Jezetha on July 21, 2008, 07:22:57 AM
# 361 It's Strauss, Alpensinfonie (the operatic link is there after all!)

Certainly is. This extraordinary marking occurs in the horn part at fig 135, in the Ausklang section. For quite a while I was mystified by it. It makes sense in its own way - after all, this is self-evidently a turning-point of the score - but begs the question, why here and not elsewhere? At some point I realised that the tonal structure of the piece is symbolic, and that this attainment of E flat major is the first point at which the music of both 'man' (and his instrument, the horn) and 'nature' appear in 'man's' key. There's a spiritual sense here, a kind of pantheistic transfiguration in the unity of man and nature - expressed also in the dramatic entry of the organ a few bars earlier - and it's in this exalted state that the horn player, who in a sense = 'man', is directed to sit in ecstasy. The tonal structure of the piece is something like:


                                      Summit - Classical C major, midday
              Ascent various keys                                various keys Descent
      E flat major - Day, arrival of man, 'in nature' - man leaves the scene - E flat major
B flat minor     -       Night     -        Nature without man    -    Night again    -     B flat minor

Note that Strauss uses the horn as symbolic of man-in-nature, unlike Wagner or Bruckner who uses it as a pure nature symbol; Strauss's 'nature' is more elemental still - a dense, large-spanning cluster in the strings.


Quote from: Jezetha on July 21, 2008, 07:22:57 AM
# 332 Erik (Valdemar) Bergman

That's the guy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 21, 2008, 12:38:51 PM
Thanks for your excellent exposé, Luke.

One minor quibble - you say "Wagner or Bruckner uses the horn as a pure nature symbol', but - don't forget Siegfried with his horn, a man(child) of nature himself and that most quiet part of the Ring, Forest Murmurs, where Siegfried is at one with Nature and thinks of his origins. Another thing that crossed my mind: Strauss's father was a horn player. Father and Son on the Summit?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 21, 2008, 12:38:51 PM
One minor quibble - you say "Wagner or Bruckner uses the horn as a pure nature symbol', but - don't forget Siegfried with his horn, a man(child) of nature himself and that most quiet part of the Ring, Forest Murmurs, where Siegfried is at one with Nature and thinks of his origins. Another thing that crossed my mind: Strauss's father was a horn player. Father and Son on the Summit?

Of course, that's all true, and the symbolism of the horn in German music is a rather complex and interesting issue. Wagner uses it in all sorts of ways! What I was thinking of was only - when Wagner wants to paint 'nature' in its rawest state, undefiled by humanity, he chooses the horn to do so: the endlessly overlapping natural arpeggios of the opening of Rheingold are what I am thinking of, of course. The natural harmonics of the horn used in this way are symbolic of nature's order -  this is how they are used in e.g. the opening of Bruckner 7 too. When Strauss wishes to do paint raw nature here in the Alpensinfonie, he uses a more literally monolithic, inhuman sound, and the horn becomes only (in this work) an instrument for man-in-nature, mediating between the two.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 21, 2008, 02:25:55 PM
Clear as a bell (horn).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 21, 2008, 05:05:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 12:30:33 PM
Research is correct - though UE published them separately too (I have both scores - watch out, because Zarlivost may appear here someday......  ;D ). Adagio is early Janacek, but a really beautiful piece, somewhere between the 'op 3' Suite and Amarus in style. If you know those ravishing pieces, you'll know what an attractive prospect that is. You know where to come if you want to hear it....

Me too!

I have nothing to venture I'm afraid, but this made me lol(!):
QuoteInterestingly, this piece is practically the only instance of D minor in the composer's output - he was obviously aware, as we all are, of the tawdry nature of that key and its aficionados, and he had personal key preferences a little way flat of this
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 21, 2008, 10:34:04 PM
Quote from: Guido on July 21, 2008, 05:05:48 PM
I have nothing to venture I'm afraid, but this made me lol(!):

It's true, of course, that Janacek's favourite key was D flat. That's a well-documented and easy-to-observe fact, and important to an unusual degree in his music as he tended to write empirically and to allow his music to veer towards that key - it becomes part of his principle of capital-I Introspection, in a way. A far as D minor goes, the editor's note at the front of the score of Adagio says that it's his only piece in D minor! I find that hard to believe, but it's true that I can't think of another...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 21, 2008, 11:47:21 PM
Quote from: Guido on July 21, 2008, 05:05:48 PM
Me too!

And me too.. I forgot to ask.  ;)

(I have listened to Tippett's Triple Concerto by the way - on the Listening thread I wrote: 'a ravishingly beautiful work, but not in a singalong way. Wonderful sonorities.')
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 02:11:40 AM
Glad you liked it! It is singalong, though, I think - especially the slow movement. Tippett never wrote a more flowing, singing line than the main melody here, and the subsidiary themes (there are lots of them) are equally potent, I think. Note that the first interlude, in which the soloists are silent, is like a formless pre-echo of the slow movement it precedes. The solo wind instruments appear in the same order as they do in the main slow movement, but, not yet being paired with the string soloists, are deliberately rather amorphous and unfocussed here, though incredibly sensuous in texture and timbre. The arrival of the strings, therefore = the arrival of singing melody (Tippett marks them exactly thus - see my mystery score 190 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg129130.html#msg129130))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 02:23:44 AM
I meant 'singalong' in the sense of 'tuneful', of course. But you are absolutely right - the work is 'cantabile' to the highest degree, even a bit of an aural sweetshop, touching on sublime kitsch... Or am I going too far? Don't get me wrong - I love it! I was reminded of RVW's Eighth, by the way, with all those 'spiels and 'phones. The Triple Concerto sounds like a very feminine successor...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 02:47:26 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 22, 2008, 02:23:44 AM
I meant 'singalong' in the sense of 'tuneful', of course. But you are absolutely right - the work is 'cantabile' to the highest degree, even a bit of an aural sweetshop, touching on sublime kitsch... Or am I going too far?

Well, I think it's extraordinarily tuneful too - in fact, like no other work of its decade in the direct, pronounced nature of its melodic writing - but I think you are right when you say it 'touches on sublime kitsch'. In the very best of ways, of course. The difference between this work and something like Takemitsu's From me flows that which you call time (my mystery score 54 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg79948.html#msg79948)), which is an even more lavishly-bedecked work in terms of seductive sonority, is enormous. Tippett's music is strong underneath the surface beauty, whereas if the Takemitsu were stripped of its timbres there would be little left. (NB - I don't think this is true of all Takemitsu; this work is a special case and so sheerly beautiful one can forgive it anything)


Quote from: Jezetha on July 22, 2008, 02:23:44 AM
Don't get me wrong - I love it! I was reminded of RVW's Eighth, by the way, with all those 'spiels and 'phones. The Triple Concerto sounds like a very feminine successor...

That's an interesting angle on it - something to that, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 22, 2008, 04:50:03 AM
Hey luke (and others),

given those very obscure pieces you're asking for here, this little game I've written two days ago should be very easy for you (as long as you understand a very little bit German): http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/index.php

Enjoy  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 05:03:41 AM
Hi rappy. I tried to play, but my right answer is rejected...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 22, 2008, 05:07:40 AM
Hi Jezetha,

in the second field, only the number is asked for. No KV/D/BWV etc. in front of it.
Might that be the mistake?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 05:09:44 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 22, 2008, 05:07:40 AM
Hi Jezetha,

in the second field, only the number is asked for. No KV/D/BWV etc. in front of it.
Might that be the mistake?

Yes. I put in one of the KV/D/BWV... I'll try again...

It works!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 22, 2008, 05:11:18 AM
Nice! I'm sure you'll beat the current highscore   :D

Ah, and what I forgot to say: for the Russian names, you need to look in the German wikipedia how they are spelled: Prokofiev = Prokofjew, Shostakovich = Schostakowitsch etc.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 05:17:44 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 22, 2008, 05:11:18 AM
Nice! I'm sure you'll beat the current highscore   :D

Don't count on it. That 3rd 'Motiv' is so well-known, it's almost too difficult to remember!

Edit: remembered!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 06:09:20 AM
Hi Ralph! Fun game - two questions: 1) how many rounds are there? It would be nice to know how near (or far!) one is to the end and 2) is there no way to save your score if one wants to close the window? Otherwise it's necessary to re-enter all the previous answers when one next tries.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 22, 2008, 06:45:03 AM
Wow luke, Level 16!  :o
I think the game is more exciting if you don't know how many rounds there are...  8) But I can give you a clue, you have not even attained have the goal  ;D

Quote2) is there no way to save your score if one wants to close the window? Otherwise it's necessary to re-enter all the previous answers when one next tries.....

Give me half an hour...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 06:52:26 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 22, 2008, 06:45:03 AM
Wow luke, Level 16!  :o
I think the game is more exciting if you don't know how many rounds there are...  8) But I can give you a clue, you have not even attained have the goal  ;D

Give me half an hour...

OMG - I fell at the 7th hurdle...  :-[  :-[  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 07:00:40 AM
Is 17 supposed to be as tricky as I'm finding it?  :-[  I feel I ought to know it, but that might be a problem - I have a composer in mind, and if it's not him, I've been spending my time barking up the wrong tree!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 07:03:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 07:00:40 AM
Is 17 supposed to be as tricky as I'm finding it?  :-[  I feel I ought to know it, but that might be a problem - I have a composer in mind, and if it's not him, I've been spending my time barking up the wrong tree!

Could you cut and paste it? So that we could have a look, too?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 07:10:46 AM
Not sure Ralph would be happy. It's in A flat, 6/8....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 07:15:00 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 07:10:46 AM
Not sure Ralph would be happy. It's in A flat, 6/8....

Hm, that's a mystery clue, if ever there was one!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 07:56:02 AM
Problem is, each time I sing it in my head my mind instantly flits to a melody in Die Schone Mullerin which it reminds me of....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 07:58:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 07:56:02 AM
Problem is, each time I sing it in my head my mind instantly flits to a melody in Die Schone Mullerin which it reminds me of....

I know what you mean. Infuriating, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 08:00:38 AM
Yes, infuriating is the word!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2008, 08:15:03 AM
I got up to 9 before not being able to identify the excerpt (though I think I had the composer). Rappy, this is a great idea. I think you could improve it if a) you used a random generator to display the excerpts and b) you let people continue even if they got a wrong answer; as it is it's a one-strike-you're-out affair, but maybe if you allowed three wrong answers before you're wiped out, it would be more fun.

I did have to scramble to verify all those opus number, KV numbers, and BWVs.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 22, 2008, 08:15:03 AM
I got up to 9 before not being able to identify the excerpt (though I think I had the composer). Rappy, this is a great idea. I think you could improve it if a) you used a random generator to display the excerpts and b) you let people continue even if they got a wrong answer; as it is it's a one-strike-you're-out affair, but maybe if you allowed three wrong answers before you're wiped out, it would be more fun.

Good idea!

QuoteI did have to scramble to verify all those opus number, KV numbers, and BWVs.  :D

So did I!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 08:23:24 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 22, 2008, 08:20:14 AM
Good idea!

...or even, be allowed to attempt them all and gain a final mark out of [however many there are]

Quote from: Jezetha on July 22, 2008, 08:20:14 AM
So did I!

You mean you don't know them all off by heart?  :o :o ;) ;)


(Me neither)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2008, 08:48:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 08:23:24 AM
...or even, be allowed to attempt them all and gain a final mark out of [however many there are]

You mean you don't know them all off by heart?  :o :o ;) ;)


(Me neither)

I knew most of them . . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 09:00:46 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 22, 2008, 08:48:23 AM
I knew most of them . . . .  ;D

Whosoever verifies, he knoweth not.  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 22, 2008, 03:25:45 PM
Sorry luke, in #17 I've forgot a tie on the last two notes. It's fixed now. But your guess is not bad!

@Sforzato: Good idea, maybe I'll make another game mode with those rules when I've got time.
Now you at least have some "saving points". After the 6th (?) round, e.g., you'll get a link when you've lost which brings you back to #6. I didn't make a link for each level because then you could just guess until you've got right (especially in the rounds where no opus is asked for).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 22, 2008, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: rappy on July 22, 2008, 03:25:45 PM
Sorry luke, in #17 I've forgot a tie on the last two notes. It's fixed now. But your guess is not bad!

Tantalizing... Couldn't I see the Motiv, please? I won't say a thing, but I just want to see it...  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2008, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 22, 2008, 03:33:56 PM
Tantalizing... Couldn't I see the Motiv, please? I won't say a thing, but I just want to see it...  0:)

I cannot get 10.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 06:25:05 PM
I was just beginning to despair - but I know what 17 is now!

Unfortunately the 'save game' option (  ;D ) hasn't worked, so I have to go back to the beginning. Luckily I've noted down all the op numbers etc., so I don't have to go hunting.

Yes, I know, I should be in bed. Long story.... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 06:31:45 PM
That's got me to number 21, which again I feel I ought to know but can't place. Similar composer to the last one I was stuck on, possibly ???  Anyway, I'll leave it there till tomorrow...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2008, 06:48:10 PM
Of course, if anyone cared to give me a hint on 10 I might be able to proceed . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 06:52:56 PM
Not exactly a hint - but, although I knew the tune very well it was when I tried to hear the instrumentation in my head that I got the answer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2008, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 22, 2008, 06:52:56 PM
Not exactly a hint - but, although I knew the tune very well it was when I tried to hear the instrumentation in my head that I got the answer.

Not helpful at all!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 23, 2008, 01:47:20 AM
The new save game option should work, doesn't it?

@Sforzando: It is very loud  ;D

QuoteTantalizing... Couldn't I see the Motiv, please? I won't say a thing, but I just want to see it...  angel

That's what a successful game is characterized by.  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 23, 2008, 02:06:01 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2008, 01:47:20 AM
That's what a successful game is characterized by.  0:)

Sie sind grausam, Herr Rappy...  :'(  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 02:53:06 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2008, 01:47:20 AM
The new save game option should work, doesn't it?

Not for me - maybe probably I'm doing something wrong....

Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2008, 01:47:20 AM
@Sforzando: It is very loud  ;D

No, that's fortissimo; sforzando is something slightly different..... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
No 17 was hard, after all - took a lot of persistence. Is no 21 equally mean?  ;D Or am I being dense?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 03:02:59 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 23, 2008, 02:06:01 AM
Sie sind grausam, Herr Rappy...  :'(  ;D

Recht so. Est gibt viele laute Stücke in der Musik.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 23, 2008, 03:26:38 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 03:02:59 AM
Recht so. Est gibt viele laute Stücke in der Musik.

You amaze me, Sfz - didn't know you were fluent in German...  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 03:49:56 AM
up to no 24 now....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 23, 2008, 03:56:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 03:49:56 AM
up to no 24 now....

Up to no good, more likely.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 05:10:36 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 23, 2008, 03:26:38 AM
You amaze me, Sfz - didn't know you were fluent in German...  :o

Manchmal erstaune ich mich selbst, Jez.

Aber kann ich noch nie Rappys #10 erkennen. . . .  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 23, 2008, 07:02:25 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 05:10:36 AM
Manchmal erstaune ich mich selbst, Jez.

Aber kann ich noch nie Rappys #10 erkennen. . . .  :'(

Und ich komme noch immer nicht weiter als #7.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 07:42:07 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 23, 2008, 03:56:56 AM
Up to no good, more likely.

Who, me?  0:) Still stuck on 24..... >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 09:02:15 AM
Managed to get 24, but 25 looks tricky too  >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 23, 2008, 07:02:25 AM
Und ich komme noch immer nicht weiter als #7.


Und ich bin viel mehr hilfbar als Luke.  :D

Erstens, denke an Beethovens berühmten Wortspiel: "Nicht ___ , sondern Meer."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 11:17:57 AM
Und ich bin viel mehr hilfbar als Luke.  :D

Oi, watch it. I may not be writing any German, but I can read it well enough to understand you! I've got the message, you've said you want a clue at least three times now....

I'm stuck myself - again; I'm still on 25, which once again I think I know. It's one of those sturdy little baroque-looking tunes that seems familiar but which may well not be. Some of these last few have been hard - if one doesn't know the melody straight off then one is pulled up short much quicker than with 'mystery scores' where there is so much more information to go on, more lines of enquiry to make.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 23, 2008, 12:14:10 PM
Oh, when I said #10 is very loud I mixed it up with #11. Sforzando, #10 is the first half of a very beautiful theme from a famous work. I'm sure you know it!

QuoteSome of these last few have been hard - if one doesn't know the melody straight off then one is pulled up short much quicker than with 'mystery scores' where there is so much more information to go on, more lines of enquiry to make.

Yeah, you're right. The later rounds are supposed to be more difficult, though. You will face even harder ones  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2008, 12:14:10 PM
Oh, when I said #10 is very loud I mixed it up with #11. Sforzando, #10 is the first half of a very beautiful theme from a famous work. I'm sure you know it!

I'm sure he does too.

Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2008, 12:14:10 PM
Yeah, you're right. The later rounds are supposed to be more difficult, though. You will face even harder ones  8)

Possibly! But this thread has shown time and time again that the ones which ought to be easy are often harder than those that ought to be hard. It all depends so much on the listening habits and habits-of-thinking of the person guessing.

Don't I get any clues for no 25 then?  ;D ;) 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2008, 12:14:10 PM
Oh, when I said #10 is very loud I mixed it up with #11. Sforzando, #10 is the first half of a very beautiful theme from a famous work. I'm sure you know it!

You're even worse than Luke!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:16:51 PM
Don't I get any clues for no 25 then?  ;D ;) 0:)

Oh, look who wants clues now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
...what I mean is [my previous post], you intend them to get harder as they go on, but to an extent that must be conditioned by your own idea of what is easy and what isn't, which in turn is conditioned by the music you know. Personally, I'm finding that there are more difficult ones (for me) throughout, but also easy ones (for me) - after I'd got through no 17, which was a bit of a pig for me, numbers 18, 19 and 20 were really easy.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:20:52 PM
Oh, look who wants clues now.

Well, I wouldn't want you to beg on your own...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
...what I mean is, you intend them to get harder as they go on, but to an extent that must be conditioned by your own idea of what is easy and what isn't

Ahem . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:23:06 PM
Gesundheit.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:25:32 PM
You know what I mean though - I thought The Planets, the Glagolitic Mass etc would be easy, but they proved among the harder ones of the batch.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:02:22 PM
I'm stuck myself - again; I'm still on 25, which once again I think I know. It's one of those sturdy little baroque-looking tunes that seems familiar but which may well not be. Some of these last few have been hard - if one doesn't know the melody straight off then one is pulled up short much quicker than with 'mystery scores' where there is so much more information to go on, more lines of enquiry to make.

Well, yes, especially as one gets no tempo indication, dynamic, harmonization, or instrumentation. And when one confronts a key signature of three flats and a melody in G major, only to be told this is the "first half" of a beautiful theme . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:28:12 PM
It is though, a lovely little tune.

I did give you a clue, though, if you look hard enough. A scrap, but enough to get the piece, I hope.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:25:32 PM
You know what I mean though - I thought The Planets, the Glagolitic Mass etc would be easy, but they proved among the harder ones of the batch.

Yes, but I did finally get The Planets. It's harder to remember all that wispy stuff near the end than if you had just given Jupiter or Mars or some such - Duh-Duh-Duh DUH DUH DUH-DUH DUH!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:29:50 PM
 ;) Well, I didn't want it to be too easy....  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:26:46 PM
And when one confronts a key signature of three flats and a melody in G major...

Gotta love those mediant relationships, though, hey?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:32:57 PM
Gotta love those mediant relationships, though, hey?



I'll get this if it kills me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
That wasn't a jibe, btw. More a clue....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 23, 2008, 12:40:17 PM
[I don't know what you two are talking about, but I am enjoying the exchange...]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:40:50 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
That wasn't a jibe, btw. More a clue....

I know, I know. Something that starts in E flat and works its way to G.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 23, 2008, 12:43:41 PM
Seriously, that are enough hints now, Sforzando! You'll laugh when you've got the answer.

I know that the classification of well-known and less-known themes depends very much on your listening habits, but I tried to be a little bit "objective". Otherwise, #25 would have been in the first five, it's from a piece which I listen to quite often. 18, 19 and 20 are not supposed to be very difficult, just a little bit more difficult than the first rounds - e.g. the famous Mozart compositions.
But #25 is not a major work and the following motives will not be that famous, too... you'll see  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:44:55 PM
More, by a composer who likes mediant relationships. Forget I said that, I'm saying too much....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 23, 2008, 12:46:52 PM
.. for example Beethoven. Look at the Waldstein!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 23, 2008, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2008, 12:46:52 PM
.. for example Beethoven. Look at the Waldstein!

It's not the Waldstein!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 23, 2008, 12:55:25 PM
Correct. So you can cross that one off the list....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 02:32:54 AM
Managed 25! Through to 29 now...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 02:33:34 AM
I stand in awe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:17:27 AM
Be nice to know if I was over half way now, though! Don't quite agree with Rappy that the not knowing makes it more exciting. It's more exciting when you know what you're aiming for, I think.

29 is hard - I'm leaving it for now!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 24, 2008, 03:23:25 AM
There are only a few left, Luke. But those a quite hard, as you see. Althrough #29 is from a quite famous piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:24:51 AM
Ah, now, you see - that gives me hope!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 03:33:26 AM
# 325 Simon Mawhinney, Flux? (Mawhinney is the surname of a British Conservative politician from the Thatcher and Major years, but not 'famous'...)

Edit: I am confusing the clue for no 245 with 225...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:42:26 AM
OK- back with the original scores! No, not him.

Extrapolating from my clues, let's boil down what we've got with this particular complex of clues:

325 Irish composer, sounds like he has two first names (he's probably the best-known contemporary Irish composer too)

344 Another contemporary 'celtic' composer whose name is shared with an Irish politician. Two completely separate Irish politicians, actually, wiki tells me. And actually, his name could be two first names too - just realised that! This is the composer who used to be in a rock band called Influx and who played the national instrument of his country. He does indeed look quite rock 'n' roll  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:44:57 AM
Suddenly remembered what Ralph's 29 is!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 03:46:46 AM
# 325 John Godfrey?! Philip Martin?!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:49:13 AM
No - surprised this is so hard! He's listed on the front page of the Irish Contemporary Music Centre (http://www.cmc.ie/composers/index.cfm)

Ralph's 29 has been on the main list here, a long long time ago - not the same section of the score, though; more a later apotheosis of the melody he gives.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 03:50:07 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:49:13 AM
No - surprised this is so hard! He's listed on the front page of the Irish Contemporary Music Centre (http://www.cmc.ie/composers/index.cfm)

Ralph's 29 has been on the main list here, a long long time ago - not the same section of the score, though; more a later apotheosis of the melody he gives.

I was already there! Must look even more closely!

Adam Melvin?! (These are all unknown to me, btw)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:51:36 AM
They even have a clip of the piece itself! http://cmc.ie/shop/audio/231.mp3

He's about the first living Irish composer whose name comes to mind. My mind, anyway.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 03:52:27 AM
Perhaps you can trace it from that link - if so, so what! You deserve it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 04:02:10 AM
Brian Irvine?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 04:04:00 AM
LOL

How many Irish composers are there with two first names?! This is weird. And still the most famous one eludes us.

You're going to get there in the end - I might as well give you his initials so that you don't waste any more of your day: GB
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 04:07:15 AM
Okay okay - Gerald Barry ("studied with Karlheinz Stockhausen and Mauricio Kagel").

And the piece is: Au milieu.

Edit: sorry for my edit.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 04:09:57 AM
Phew! The piece is easy to identify if you follow the links. As I've already given you the clue that it is 'a balletic piece', it's no harm to give you the composer's notes to the piece, even though technically it's not identified yet. Only a matter of time:

Quote from: Gerald BarryThe term XXXXXX is used in ballet to describe exercises performed away from the bar.

Abandon, balance, virtuosity, vulnerability and danger are its elements.

It is a tribute to those who have conquered and died at the keyboard.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 04:11:59 AM
Seen my edit?  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 04:13:52 AM
You swine!  ;D

More than time for a TTT, I think:

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - Weissenberg - Sonate en etat de Jazz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - Berlioz - Rustic Serenade - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - Bloch - Concerto Grosso no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - Chausson - Poeme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - Enescu - Piano Quintet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - Janacek - Adagio - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - Barry - Au Milieu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329 - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - Bergman - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - ? - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)
346 - Bizet - L'Arlesienne (suite 1) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207192.html#msg207192)
347 - Saint-Saens - Organ Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207194.html#msg207194)
348 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207196.html#msg207196)
349 - Tavener - The Protecting Veil - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207197.html#msg207197)
350 - Orff - Carmina Burana - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207198.html#msg207198)
351 - Holst - The Planets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207199.html#msg207199)
352 - Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien - (Mark) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207200.html#msg207200)
353 - Bizet - Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207202.html#msg207202)
354 - Janacek - Glagolitic Mass - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207204.html#msg207204)
355 - Haydn - Symhpony no 6 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207205.html#msg207205)
356 - Rachmaninov - Piano concerto 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207206.html#msg207206)
357 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207207.html#msg207207)
358 - Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207210.html#msg207210)
359 - Tavener - Coplas (Ultimos Ritos) - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207211.html#msg207211)
360 - Verdi - Aida - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207212.html#msg207212)
361 - Strauss - Alpensinfonie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg209621.html#msg209621)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Set by Greg
32 - Haydn - Symphony no 99 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207317.html#msg207317)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg209618.html#msg209618)

Clues to Guido's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg206370.html#msg206370)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 04:17:27 AM
I've never even heard of Gerald Barry!

- Sfz, still baffled on Rappy's #10, though he thinks he knows the composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 04:19:46 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 24, 2008, 02:33:34 AM
I stand in awe.

I'd probably be up to 35 if I could get 10.

But I see Luke has used the words "pig" and "swine" in rather startling ways of late. Could these be his sogenannte "clue"?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 05:53:45 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 04:19:46 AM
I'd probably be up to 35 if I could get 10.

I'm sure you would - and I can't wait to see you rocket up there. But first...

Quote from: Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 04:19:46 AMBut I see Luke has used the words "pig" and "swine" in rather startling ways of late. Could these be his sogenannte "clue"?

No - you're seeing things! One of my clues was clearly marked as such - the thing about mediants. No cryptology there - but Ralph tried to throw you off the scent. The other one, earlier, was more hidden, a clue to the ensemble used in this piece. It's not a Pig Quartet, a Hoggtet or a Swinephony, btw.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 06:37:57 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 05:53:45 AM
I'm sure you would - and I can't wait to see you rocket up there. But first...

No - you're seeing things! One of my clues was clearly marked as such - the thing about mediants. No cryptology there - but Ralph tried to throw you off the scent. The other one, earlier, was more hidden, a clue to the ensemble used in this piece. It's not a Pig Quartet, a Hoggtet or a Swinephony, btw.

Hah! well, I said that I'd figure out 10 even if I lived to Elliott Carter's age. But no sooner do I get 10 than I'm stalled on 11 . . . .  :D (I can sense two likely composers, though. This is going to take some work.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 08:10:45 AM
...up to Rappy's no 34...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 08:25:42 AM
OK - finished all levels!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 08:28:23 AM
What's the prize, Ralph?  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 24, 2008, 08:44:13 AM
Wow  :o
Congratulations! I expected the last rounds to be really hard! Especially #33 and #34.

But this game shows how unfamiliar most listeners are with the standard repertoire. I've presented that game in some German forums and as you see most people either don't even try or they are stuck at round #2.
When I see how people spam their recordings into thousands of threads about works I've never heard of, I'm always a little bit dejected. But they don't seem to know them at all. I would never say that I know a work if I did not recognize the main theme.

The prize is that you've gained my respect and the respect of everybody who looks at the highscores!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 08:59:57 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 24, 2008, 08:44:13 AM
Wow  :o
Congratulations! I expected the last rounds to be really hard! Especially #33 and #34.

They weren't too bad; a little application of stylistic knowledge helps.

Quote from: rappy on July 24, 2008, 08:44:13 AM
But this game shows how unfamiliar most listeners are with the standard repertoire. I've presented that game in some German forums and as you see most people either don't even try or they are stuck at round #2.
When I see how people spam their recordings into thousands of threads about works I've never heard of, I'm always a little bit dejected. But they don't seem to know them at all. I would never say that I know a work if I did not recognize the main theme.

I know exactly what you mean, and believe me I sympathize. But at the same time I'd say that presenting the themes in this way - as Sforzando says, divorced from all context (harmonic, instrumental etc. etc.), and without the possibility of moving on and identifying others if you happen to get stuck on one - makes this quiz harder than you might think. I like to think I have good repertoire knowledge (and I know for a fact that Johan and Sforzando both have repertoire knowledge at least as good as mine) but I found this quiz difficult, for that reason. Sforzando is stuck for now on number 11, but I know that he knows 90%+ of the ones after it inside-out, and probably the others too. So if he were to leave it at number 10, that wouldn't be a fair indication of his knowledge of the repertoire. Same goes for Johan.

Quote from: rappy on July 24, 2008, 08:44:13 AM
The prize is that you've gained my respect and the respect of everybody who looks at the highscores!  :)

:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 24, 2008, 09:19:03 AM
Congratulations, Luke! Well done, Rappy! But I wish I could leave a Motiv I didn't know or recognize immediately on the back burner for a while, to see the others. Ah well...

(Thanks for sticking up for Sfz and poor me, Luke...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 10:40:32 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 08:59:57 AM
They weren't too bad; a little application of stylistic knowledge helps.

I know exactly what you mean, and believe me I sympathize. But at the same time I'd say that presenting the themes in this way - as Sforzando says, divorced from all context (harmonic, instrumental etc. etc.), and without the possibility of moving on and identifying others if you happen to get stuck on one - makes this quiz harder than you might think. I like to think I have good repertoire knowledge (and I know for a fact that Johan and Sforzando both have repertoire knowledge at least as good as mine) but I found this quiz difficult, for that reason. Sforzando is stuck for now on number 11, but I know that he knows 90%+ of the ones after it inside-out, and probably the others too. So if he were to leave it at number 10, that wouldn't be a fair indication of his knowledge of the repertoire. Same goes for Johan.

:)

Yes, Rappy, I have to agree. I can hear 11 in my mind and what I believe to be its 4-bar continuation, but I just can't place it right now - though I have no doubt of the period it was written in and a good chance I know the composer. But in all honesty, I think if you let people attempt all the choices and only then score their results, you'd get a much more accurate picture of their knowledge. As it is, if someone misses any one item in the sequence, they just can't go on. And your idea of what is hard or not may not be the same as mine, or Luke's, or anyone else's. As for #10, I know a great many major works by that composer, but that particular one is not a piece I know well - but I finally worked it out through recognizing stylistic traits and following some hunches. It seems to me though that you've arrived at a conclusion - "But this game shows how unfamiliar most listeners are with the standard repertoire" - based on insufficient evidence.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 24, 2008, 11:16:26 AM
Actually, it's more of a test of one's knowledge of the opus or catalogue numbers, as well as one's ability to guess the German romanization of Russian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 24, 2008, 11:28:53 AM
@Mark: You can easily look up those things.

I agree with you, Luke, that this game is not easy, but I expected it to be a challenge and it is one. Not everybody is supposed to reach the end.  Level 11 is quite good, as nobody apart from Luke has come further, Sforzando. With my conclusion I didn't mean people like you.
But from so many users who must have tried the game, only a few could identify the first two motives. That's surprising, IMO.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 24, 2008, 11:28:53 AM
@Mark: You can easily look up those things.

Yes, I was under the impression that the opus number box was just to confirm that you'd identified the right work - I'm afraid I had no compunction in looking up opus numbers when I didn't know them.

Also, the opus number box, or lack thereof, was sometimes a clue in itself - no box means the composer is more likely to be Bruckner, or Wagner, or Mahler, some other non-opus-numbering composer, or something on those lines. And Haydn is unlikely, apart from quartets, the whole Hob. thing being too complex for a game like this!

Anyway, Ralph, thanks for the game - it was fun, and a good test! Very slick and good-looking too, may I say.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 24, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 24, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
Yes, I was under the impression that the opus number box was just to confirm that you'd identified the right work - I'm afraid I had no compunction in looking up opus numbers when I didn't know them.

Yes, you were under the right impression.

Quote
Anyway, Ralph, thanks for the game - it was fun, and a good test! Very slick and good-looking too, may I say.

Thanks Luke, when I've got time I will improve it and add more rounds or change the rules...

:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 24, 2008, 12:04:45 PM
Anyway, I got as high as no. 11. I declined to enter my name, though.

and I don't like writing "Prokofjew". As appropriate as it might be for the composer of "Overture on Hebrew Themes", it looks like it must be something antisemitic.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: rappy on July 24, 2008, 11:28:53 AM
@Mark: You can easily look up those things.

I agree with you, Luke, that this game is not easy, but I expected it to be a challenge and it is one. Not everybody is supposed to reach the end.  Level 11 is quite good, as nobody apart from Luke has come further, Sforzando. With my conclusion I didn't mean people like you.

I know that, Ralph. But designing a test is not easy, and I think you'll get more accurate results if you let people attempt all the questions, and/or you present them randomly. This retains the sense of challenge, but it doesn't preclude people from getting some of the later ones just because they can't get one of your earlier ones.

As for "Prokofjew," this seems to me in the same category as the Chevy Nova, which created sniggers in Latin America because "no va" means it doesn't run. To a German, this is just a Russian transliteration, which has no overtones of Jewishness as it does to us Anglos, "Jude" being the German word for Jew. (Anglo that I am, however, I do admit I was taken aback in a Berlin music store by seeing "Prokofjew" on a Peters Edition of Romeo und Julia.  :D )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 24, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
MY RAPPY-STYLE QUIZ

Let's see how y'all do with my Rappy-Style Quiz. Like Rappy, I'm giving you only a snippet of melody from each piece (20 in all), without any tempo, dynamic, harmonization, or instrumentation. Unlike Rappy, you get 'em all at once, so if you don't know one or two you might know all the others. I will say that all the pieces are from standard repertoire and well-known composers. I think most of them should be quite easy, but we know what saying that means.  :D But no Peter Susser or similar giants here.

I would suggest that if you want to play the game, please send me your list of answers via Private Message. Composer and work only; I don't care about the K or Opus numbers so long as you clearly identify the piece. But PM is essential. If people start posting their answers on the board, then it would be the equivalent of "cheating" and the game will be compromised.

And I do hope Rappy takes part . . . .   :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 25, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
Luke, please confirm that my list was easier  :-[

(and yes, I do take part, but I recognize only four themes at the moment  0:) )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 12:47:34 AM
Sorry to disappoint, Rappy - (so far) I think it's pitched at exactly the same level of difficulty! Same sorts of composers, pieces of the same level of 'fame'.....

Same difficulty as yours, of course, in the divorcing of the music examples from harmonic and instrumental context, so it's sometimes quite hard, again. First off I was able to identify about half of them; most of the rest look familiar so I'll ponder some more before PMing Sfz.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 25, 2008, 01:04:32 AM
I recognize a few. But I leave it to Luke's more than capable hands, ears, memory to get them all right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 01:06:05 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 25, 2008, 01:04:32 AM
I recognize a few. But I leave it to Luke's more than capable hands, ears, memory to get them all right.

No pressure, then...

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 02:00:52 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 12:47:34 AM
Sorry to disappoint, Rappy - (so far) I think it's pitched at exactly the same level of difficulty! Same sorts of composers, pieces of the same level of 'fame'.....

Which was exactly the intention. I can think of at most two pieces that might not be considered "standard repertoire," but they are both by major composers and are quite well-known nonetheless.

Meanwhile Rappy has correctly identified four of the excerpts, and so far has the high score. Everyone is welcome to play, and of course it would be fine to submit the ones you know and come back to the others later.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 25, 2008, 02:10:39 AM
Okay, I'm game.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 02:12:55 AM
Luke has attempted 13 and has 11 correct. Can't PM back because his box is full, but 6 is wrong, and for 10 he has the composer but not the work.

Luke - 11
Rappy - 4
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 02:15:49 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 02:12:55 AM
Luke has attempted 13 and has 11 correct. Can't PM back because his box is full, but 6 is wrong, and for 10 he has the composer but not the work.

Luke - 11
Rappy - 4

Is 6 wrong because I stuck an extra 'n' in instead of a space? If so, you are a mean mean man!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 02:18:03 AM
Oh no, I see what I did wrong - wasn't concentrating! I was thinking of the second movement of course, but I'll PM you the right answer now....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 02:26:57 AM
Luke has corrected his two errors. All answers submitted by Rappy and Jezetha so far are correct. Scores now:

Luke = 13
Rappy = 4
Jezetha = 3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 02:29:27 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 02:15:49 AM
Is 6 wrong because I stuck an extra 'n' in instead of a space? If so, you are a mean mean man!

No meaner than others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 02:30:37 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 02:18:03 AM
Oh no, I see what I did wrong - wasn't concentrating! I was thinking of the second movement of course, but I'll PM you the right answer now....

They are very similar.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 04:00:21 AM
I've got two more, I think (=15). Awaiting Sfz's confirmation!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 04:07:30 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 04:00:21 AM
I've got two more, I think (=15). Awaiting Sfz's confirmation!

Luke = 15
Rappy = 4
Jezetha = 3

Note also that in a day or two, a new twist will be introduced to the game . . . .   >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 04:09:17 AM
You mean a new set? I'm not sure my brain can take it!  :o :o  Anyway, I'm supposed to be composing.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 25, 2008, 04:20:29 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 04:09:17 AM
You mean a new set? I'm not sure my brain can take it!  :o :o  Anyway, I'm supposed to be composing.....

And I'm late for work. But you'll see . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 25, 2008, 04:22:52 AM
[shuddering]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 25, 2008, 07:22:10 PM
Is there some way you could compose a small homage to this, your favourite of all GMG threads? That might be entertaining!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 02:20:11 AM
Quote from: Guido on July 25, 2008, 07:22:10 PM
Is there some way you could compose a small homage to this, your favourite of all GMG threads? That might be entertaining!

Indeed. Maybe you can create a musical collage of the greatest highlights from the thread, and then display the score here for us to guess.

Meanwhile, updated scores for mine:

Luke = 15
Mark = 6
Rappy = 4
Jezetha = 3

Look for the "twist" sometime later today or tomorrow.  ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 26, 2008, 02:32:23 AM
I'm not doing very well, am I? Either I know the piece - and then I see/hear it (almost) at once -, or I don't and I need some circumstantial evidence to get ahead, which is lacking here.

Ah well...

Curious about the 'twist', though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 26, 2008, 02:44:59 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 02:20:11 AM
Indeed. Maybe you can create a musical collage of the greatest highlights from the thread, and then display the score here for us to guess.

I've done something similiar a while ago:
(http://www.cdeclan.de/werkraetsel.png)

That's a mix of themes from works in Bb major.
The goal is to identify all the themes.
But I don't want to distract from your quiz, Sforzando  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 02:51:14 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 26, 2008, 02:44:59 AM
I've done something similiar a while ago:
(http://www.cdeclan.de/werkraetsel.png)

That's a mix of themes from works in Bb major.
The goal is to identify all the themes.
But I don't want to distract from your quiz, Sforzando  ;)

Not at all. We regularly have a dozen quizzes proceeding simultaneously. You've added another interesting challenge . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 02:58:16 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 26, 2008, 02:32:23 AM
I'm not doing very well, am I? Either I know the piece - and then I see/hear it (almost) at once -, or I don't and I need some circumstantial evidence to get ahead, which is lacking here.

And what is really interesting is which pieces people are getting. Have a look:

J: 9, 15, 20
R: 1, 6, 9, 12
M: 1, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12
L: 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20

1 - 6 - 9 - 12 (though Luke initially stumbled on 6 in a very interesting way). Are these pieces more "famous," or merely easier to guess based on the limited information supplied?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 03:02:25 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 26, 2008, 02:44:59 AM
I've done something similiar a while ago:
(http://www.cdeclan.de/werkraetsel.png)

That's a mix of themes from works in Bb major.
The goal is to identify all the themes.
But I don't want to distract from your quiz, Sforzando  ;)

This will take some work! I've got only one so far - should I answer on the board or by PM?

Now I have two.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 26, 2008, 03:11:03 AM
I am sure that I also know #4 (althrough I would continue the phrase until the d2 with a progression of it, and I thought it was an orchestral piece while the fingerings indicate a piano phrase), #10, #13 and #15.
There are some genres and composers I don't like that much (e.g. Italian opera, Impressionism, baroque music other than (Vivaldi, Händel and) Bach) and I'm sure that you have some of these in your quiz.

I think it would be better if you send your answers per PM for the same reason as in your quiz.
The Bb major themes can be transposed and rhythmically adapted!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 03:14:15 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 26, 2008, 03:11:03 AM
I am sure that I also know #4 (althrough I would continue the phrase until the d2 with a progression of it, and I thought it was an orchestral piece while the fingerings indicate a piano phrase), #10, #13 and #15.
There are some genres and composers I don't like that much (e.g. Italian opera, Impressionism, baroque music other than (Vivaldi, Händel and) Bach) and I'm sure that you have some of these in your quiz.

I think it would be better if you send your answers per PM for the same reason as in your quiz.
The Bb major themes can be transposed and rhythmically adapted!

The issue is not what you like, but what you know!  :D

If you think you have a few more of mine, let me know via PM.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 26, 2008, 03:19:14 AM
I don't have at the moment, I think I know some of the themes but I can't name them  :-\
What I don't like I don't know enough to remember the themes  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on July 26, 2008, 05:59:37 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 26, 2008, 02:32:23 AM
Curious about the 'twist', though!

You take the first notes of each excerpt and put them together and it turns out to be "Let's Twist Again" with Chubby Checkers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 26, 2008, 06:03:06 AM
Going to have a look at your 'B flat major' piece in a minute, Rappy. Reminds me of a projected piece by Gavin Bryars, which was to be made up of of a sequence of cadences in F major taken from other composers' work.

As far as I can see the only one of Sfz's which I haven't got, and which has been got by someone else, is 4. This one does look very familiar. Re your question about 1, 6, 9 and 12, Sfz - 'are these pieces more "famous," or merely easier to guess based on the limited information supplied?' - I'd say the latter. To me 2, 3, 8, 13, 15 and 19 came equally quickly, if not more so, and I'd think at least some of these are pieces known by all here.

BTW, I have a twist of my own in mind, though I haven't started preparing samples yet - interesting to see if it turns out to be similar to Sfz's!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 26, 2008, 06:12:20 AM
What was the decision on your 'B flat' piece, Rappy? Do we PM you the answers or state them here? I have 5 so far...

Sorry, wasn't paying attention. I just saw the answer up there ^

PM-ing you my first few, but I haven't finished looking yet....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 06:16:43 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on July 26, 2008, 05:59:37 AM
You take the first notes of each excerpt and put them together and it turns out to be "Let's Twist Again" with Chubby Checkers.

Drat! he guessed it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 26, 2008, 06:44:50 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 26, 2008, 06:03:06 AM
Going to have a look at your 'B flat major' piece in a minute, Rappy. Reminds me of a projected piece by Gavin Bryars, which was to be made up of of a sequence of cadences in F major taken from other composers' work.

...also of Kyle Gann's Petty Larceny (part of which was my mystery score no 73). That piece is entirely made up of fragments of all the Beethoven piano sonatas. It appears complex, rhythmically, and is physically unplayable, but the complexity is only to the end that all the different pieces can coexist at their 'proper' speed (whatever that is). It's one of Gann's Disklavier studies (the updated version of Nancarrow's player piano studies) and you can get the score at Gann's wonderful website (the finest composer site on the net in my experience). The piece itself, with all that implies about man-and-machine, is actually remarkably effective, even moving in a very strange way.

edit - find the score to Petty Larceny, and all Gann's other Disklavier studies, and loads of other pieces, here: http://www.kylegann.com/Gannscores.html
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 26, 2008, 07:21:02 AM
The Bb flat Quiz: List of the identified themes

1. -
2. -
3. Luke
4. -
5. Luke, Sforzando
6. -
7. -
8. -
9. -
10. -
11. Luke, Sforzando
12. Luke, Sforzando
13. -
14. Luke
15. Luke, Sforzando
16. -
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 06:16:43 AM
Drat! he guessed it!

THE TWIST

The twist on the game is that now you will get the same 20 pieces in different formats. For some of the pieces, you will get a more complete score. For some, a recording. For yet others, both. I've left two as is, both pieces most of you got without any problem. It will be interesting to see how much more familiar the excerpts will be once they're put into more complete contexts.

Pieces have been uploaded at random, mainly because of the 500K limit.

Let the games begin!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 07:05:09 PM
Next batch:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 07:06:31 PM
Batch 3:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 26, 2008, 07:07:57 PM
And the last:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 12:31:18 AM
Thanks, Sfz. This is a twist to remember (and no Chubby Checker in sight...).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 12:55:11 AM
That has helped a lot! Only one that I can't place now (I can't get the file to play)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 02:43:33 AM
Is anyone else besides Luke having trouble playing #4?

Very interesting results. Look what has happened:

Luke: all but #4 = 19
Jezetha: 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20 = 10
Rappy: 1, 6, 8, 9, 12, 14, 16, 19 = 8

No updated list from Mark so far. (It's only 6:30 in the morning here in the Eastern US as I type!)

We'll give this a day and see if anyone else wants to play. Then tonight, while Europe sleeps, I'll add the next twist to the game.  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 02:52:55 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 02:43:33 AM
Is anyone else besides Luke having trouble playing #4?

No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 27, 2008, 02:53:07 AM
#4 works fine here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 03:01:28 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 27, 2008, 02:53:07 AM
#4 works fine here.

But neither of you has identified it . . .

I am uploading 4 again in case that helps Luke open it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 04:01:08 AM
Thanks, I tried. No luck - but as I said in my PM, it's not the file, the problem's at my end.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 04:03:39 AM
However, I think I know the answer...sort of.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 04:06:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 04:03:39 AM
However, I think I know the answer...sort of.

I know the composer, but not the work (he doesn't belong to my personal canon, though he squarely does to the Western...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 04:50:53 AM
Luke now has all correct. Well done!  :D

Luke: all = 20
Jezetha: 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20 = 10
Rappy: 1, 6, 8, 9, 12, 14, 16, 19 = 8
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 05:05:36 AM
Well done, Luke! (I know Bach is there, but that doesn't count, woe is me!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 05:17:03 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 27, 2008, 05:05:36 AM
Well done, Luke! (I know Bach is there, but that doesn't count, woe is me!)

Unfortunately, I can't confirm or deny on the board until I declare the game over. One more twist tonight, and a final twist tomorrow.

Meanwhile, thanks to a little push in the right direction from someone else, I am up to level 20 on Rappy's game.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 07:34:46 AM
Luke, your mailbox is full again!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 07:48:18 AM
In his sweetest voice:

Need another push, Sfz?  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
I have no idea what you're talking about  0:) Well, maybe a little bit.

Room made, Sfz....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 27, 2008, 07:48:18 AM
In his sweetest voice:

Need another push, Sfz?  >:D

I hope the implication is not that someone of my sterling character would ever think of cheating. But seriously, folks, when playing Rappy's game I did profit from hints supplied by another person in two cases. (Rappy supplied a hint himself.) I suppose that could be called cheating if you wish. But nonetheless, I got 18 of Rappy's excerpts with no trouble at all; I just got stalled momentarily on 10 and 11. Even Luke said he didn't get 17 at first, and it popped right out for me. Point being that depending on the person playing the game, some of the earlier examples may seem harder than some of the later ones, and as I've suggested before, the only accurate way to assess a person's knowledge is to get unrestricted access to all the questions.

The reason I wanted all answers for my quiz to come via PM is that mine is constructed in layers. When Twist 1 was added, everyone's score doubled immediately. I expect scores to improve yet again when Twist 2 is added tonight and Twist 3 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 10:23:57 AM
Do 'Twists 2 and 3' refer to the same set of pieces, as 'Twist 1' did?

My score didn't double with 'Twist 1', btw.... 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 10:23:57 AM
Do 'Twists 2 and 3' refer to the same set of pieces, as 'Twist 1' did?

Yes.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 10:23:57 AM
My score didn't double with 'Twist 1', btw.... 0:)

I know.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 10:20:29 AM
I hope the implication is not that someone of my sterling character would ever think of cheating. But seriously, folks, when playing Rappy's game I did profit from hints supplied by another person in two cases. (Rappy supplied a hint himself.) I suppose that could be called cheating if you wish.

I neither doubt your profound knowledge nor your sterling character, Sforzando.   ;) I personally didn't feel like persevering, that's all... No disrespect to Rappy's quiz, but I like your twisting saga of a quiz better, with its phased revelation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 27, 2008, 10:50:55 AM
I neither doubt your profound knowledge nor your sterling character, Sforzando.   ;) I personally didn't feel like persevering, that's all... No disrespect to Rappy's quiz, but I like your twisting saga of a quiz better, with its phased revelation.

Let us then initiate Twist #3, in which you get some pointers breaking down the types of periods, genres, and composers used, so as to help you fill in whatever blanks remain:

By Period:
Baroque - 3
Classical - 3
Romantic - 11
Impressionist - 1
Modern - 2

By Genre:
Chamber music - 3
Symphony - 3
Ballet - 1
Opera - 2
Sacred choral - 3
Solo keyboard - 5 (4 piano - or for the HIP among us: 3 piano, 1 fortepiano; 1 organ)
Orchestral suite - 1
Lieder - 1
Oratorio - 1

By Nationality:*
Italian - 2 (1)
French -  3
Austro-German - 11 (9)
Polish - 1
Russian - 3 (2)

* The first number pertains to the number of excerpts; the second to the number of composers. That is, four composers are each used twice.


Current Statistics:

Luke: all = 20
Jezetha: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20 = 13
Rappy: 1, 6, 8, 9, 12, 14, 16, 19 = 8
Mark: 1, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12 = 6
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
I have reached the end of my natural quiz life - I think I know the composers of 2, 4 and 16, but not the works. So - 13 it remains.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 02:31:07 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 27, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
I have reached the end of my natural quiz life - I think I know the composers of 2, 4 and 16, but not the works. So - 13 it remains.

Wait for Twist 4.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 02:34:54 PM
If you're not careful I'll call you Oliver in future.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 27, 2008, 02:42:50 PM
'Please sir, I want some scores'

(http://bp1.blogger.com/_itxeexAFd4U/R9fy6RSblSI/AAAAAAAAC2M/O5HeObugD3Y/s400/OliverTwist.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 27, 2008, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 27, 2008, 02:34:54 PM
If you're not careful I'll call you Oliver in future.

In Twist 4, you get a clue for each work that should lead you infallibly to identify each excerpt. Of course, you have to match the clues to the pieces yourself:

This is from one of a set of three works of its type, notable for the inclusion of Russian themes.

Although this is a sacred choral work, it is sometimes referred to as its composer's greatest opera.

This is the opening of a set of pieces by its composer that altogether last under five minutes.

This is from the first of its composer's seven symphonies, and stylistically is far more conservative than any of the others.

In this piece a two-bar bass line for the left hand accompanies a set of constantly changing variations in the right, and would be unlikely to put anyone to sleep.

A sacred choral work of a type found also in these excerpts, it is a notable for its gentleness as the other is for its theatricality.

This composer dedicated this 6-movement this suite to his 3-year-old beloved daughter, who died at age 14 only a year after her father.

This is a grand climax from Act Four of the first of the three ballet scores this popular composer composed.

The characters in this famous comic opera about aristocrats and their servants are also depicted in a another popular comic opera composed only a few decades after this composer's untimely death.

The composer of this symphony never finished the finale to the work, though posthumous hands have tried.

Although this composer's most popular work is on a New Testament theme, he also wrote many works of this type based on Greek mythology as well as this largely choral work based on a book of the Old Testament.

This composer wrote only two works using this fairly large instrumentation for a chamber group.

Although called a suite by its composer, there is little to distinguish this work from a symphony, and being balletic in style, it has been choreographed by no less than George Balanchine.

Even though the theme of this exciting finale looks more suitable for a brass instrument, it is really given to the violin.

A tune from this extremely popular opera was considered by its composer to be such a sure-fire hit that it was rehearsed in the utmost secrecy; our excerpt is from the same act in which said tune is sung.

A striking feature of this fortepiano sonata, one of its composer's best known, is the placement of the second movement in the Neapolitan key (though enharmonically spelled as E major).

Several themes from this song cycle were used in its composer's First Symphony.

This symphony was designed with a stringed instrument obliggato in mind, but it was not virtuosic enough for the virtuoso who commissioned it - who nonetheless gave its composer a generous cash award once he finally heard the work.

This composer wrote 200 works in this genre which have survived, as well as many that haven't because they were left in the care of his most dissolute son. To get the right number for this work, think of the opus number for a certain piano sonata in F# major by another equally important composer.

This composer wrote two sets of 24 preludes and fugues that are among the most influential works in music history. But he also wrote many similar pieces for another keyboard instrument that has two manuals and a set of pedals.


-- "Oliver"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 27, 2008, 11:38:16 PM
Subtly done, Sforz 'Oliver' Ando. We'll see if this does the trick for us over-Luked laggards.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 28, 2008, 03:04:41 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 27, 2008, 11:38:16 PM
Subtly done, Sforz 'Oliver' Ando. We'll see if this does the trick for us over-Luked laggards.

Current Statistics:

Luke: all = 20
Jezetha: all but #4 = 19
Mark: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 15, 18 = 11
Rappy: 1, 6, 8, 9, 12, 14, 16, 19 = 8

Johan continues to make strides - thus proving my contention that there are numerous ways we know and identify pieces of music beyond recognizing themes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 28, 2008, 12:13:13 PM
I don't know the missing pieces, I can only guess.

I mean, if you write something like:

QuoteSeveral themes from this song cycle were used in its composer's First Symphony.

- I know only one composer who used themes from songs in his First Symphony and who wrote song cycles, so I can easily find out which song the excerpt is from, but I have never heard the cycle.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 28, 2008, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: rappy on July 28, 2008, 12:13:13 PM
I don't know the missing pieces, I can only guess.

I mean, if you write something like:

- I know only one composer who used themes from songs in his First Symphony and who wrote song cycles, so I can easily find out which song the excerpt is from, but I have never heard the cycle.

No matter. You probably will some day. There are a lot of ways to come by knowledge of a piece. And after all, it's just a game.

BTW, I've been listening to your #10 more in the past three days than I have for the past 20 years. (But not your #11. I like those particular geographical formations. But not this musical depiction.)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 28, 2008, 01:40:07 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 28, 2008, 01:21:51 PM
No matter. You probably will some day.

Certainly. But I want to know all the symphonies well enough first until I listen to the songs since I usually prefer symphonies to orchestral songs.

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BTW, I've been listening to your #10 more in the past three days than I have for the past 20 years. (But not your #11. I like those particular geographical formations. But not this musical depiction.)

#11 is a wonderful piece, I love it. Do you have the Karajan recording? IMO you mustn't think too much while listening... just turn on your speakers as loud as possible and allow the music to blow you away :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 28, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
Quote from: rappy on July 28, 2008, 01:40:07 PM
#11 is a wonderful piece, I love it. Do you have the Karajan recording? IMO you mustn't think too much while listening... just turn on your speakers as loud as possible and allow the music to blow you away :)

Sorry, it's just a composer I don't much like. I like some of the shorter earlier works in the same genre as your example, yes, but most of his work I find bloated and overblown.

But now that I think all participants have cast their final guesses, let's reveal the excerpts for those curious:

1 Even though the theme of this exciting finale looks more suitable for a brass instrument, it is really given to the violin.
AUSTRO- GERMAN - ROMANTIC - CHAMBER - Brahms horn trio

2 This composer wrote two sets of 24 preludes and fugues that are among the most influential works in music history. But he also wrote many similar pieces for another keyboard instrument that has two manuals and a set of pedals.
GERMAN - BAROQUE - ORGAN - Bach organ prelude/fugue in D, 532

3 This composer dedicated this 6-movement this suite to his 3-year-old beloved daughter, who died at age 14 only a year after her father.
FRENCH - IMPRESSIONIST - PIANO Debussy Children's Corner Suite, Jimbo's Lullaby

4 A tune from this extremely popular opera was considered by its composer to be such a sure-fire hit that it was rehearsed in the utmost secrecy; our excerpt is from the same act in which said tune is sung.
ITALIAN - ROMANTIC - OPERA - Verdi Rigoletto, from the quartet in Act Three.
This one threw several of you, because I used a piano solo arrangement and didn't snip out all the fingerings. Hee. The tune alluded to above is, of course, LA donna e mobile.

5 This is a grand climax from Act Four of the first of the three ballet scores this popular composer composed.
RUSSIAN - ROMANTIC - BALLET Tchaikovsky Swan Lake

6 In this piece a two-bar bass line for the left hand accompanies a set of constantly changing variations in the right, and would be unlikely to put anyone to sleep.
POLISH - ROMANTIC - PIANO Chopin Berceuse. In the game's most interesting misidentification, one person thought at first this was the Tchaikovsky 1st concerto.

7 The characters in this famous comic opera about aristocrats and their servants are also depicted in a another popular comic opera composed only a few decades after this composer's untimely death.
AUSTRO-GERMAN - CLASSICAL - OPERA from act 3 of Mozart's Marriage of Figaro

8 This is from the first of its composer's seven symphonies, and stylistically is far more conservative than any of the others.
RUSSIAN - MODERN - SYMPHONY Prokofiev Classical Symphony. One person had problems because he gauged the tempo incorrectly. Hee.

9 The composer of this symphony never finished the finale to the work, though posthumous hands have tried.
AUSTRIAN - ROMANTIC - SYMPHONY Bruckner's 9th

10 This symphony was designed with a stringed instrument obliggato in mind, but it was not virtuosic enough for the virtuoso who commissioned it - who nonetheless gave its composer a generous cash award once he finally heard the work.
FRENCH - ROMANTIC - SYMPHONY  Berlioz Harold in Italy

11 A sacred choral work of a type found also in these excerpts, it is a notable for its gentleness as the other is for its theatricality.
FRENCH - ROMANTIC - SACRED Fauré Requiem

12 A striking feature of this fortepiano sonata, one of its composer's best known, is the placement of the second movement in the Neapolitan key (though enharmonically spelled as E major).
AUSTRO-GERMAN - CLASSICAL - FORTEPIANO Haydn Sonata 52, Eb

13 Although this is a sacred choral work, it is sometimes referred to as its composer's greatest opera.
ITALIAN - ROMANTIC - SACRED Verdi Requiem

14 Although called a suite by its composer, there is little to distinguish this work from a symphony, and being balletic in style, it has been choreographed by no less than George Balanchine.
RUSSIAN - ROMANTIC - SUITE Tchaikovsky Suite No. 3

15 Several themes from this song cycle were used in its composer's First Symphony.
AUSTRO-GERMAN - ROMANTIC - LIEDER - Mahler Songs of a Wayfarer

16 This is from one of a set of three works of its type, notable for the inclusion of Russian themes.
AUSTRO-GERMAN - CLASSICAL - CHAMBER Beethoven E minor quartet from op. 59, slow movement

17 Although this composer's most popular work is on a New Testament theme, he also wrote many works of this type based on Greek mythology as well as this largely choral work based on a book of the Old Testament.
GERMAN - BAROQUE - ORATORIO Handel Israel in Egypt

18 This composer wrote 200 works in this genre which have survived, as well as many that haven't because they were left in the care of his most dissolute son. To get the right number for this work, think of the opus number for a certain piano sonata in F# major by another equally important composer.
GERMAN - BAROQUE - SACRED - Bach Cantata 78

19 This is the opening of a set of pieces by its composer that altogether last under five minutes.
AUSTRO-GERMAN - MODERN - KEYBOARD Schoenberg, Six Little Piano Pieces, op. 19/1

20 This composer wrote only two works using this fairly large instrumentation for a chamber group.
AUSTRO-GERMAN - ROMANTIC - CHAMBER - Brahms Sextet no. 2

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So as you can see, all major composers, all well-known pieces in the standard repertoire. And the game revealed some other interesting things about its players:

Luke is very competitive.
So is Jezetha.
Rappy is very honest and won't guess things he hasn't heard.
Mark is very nonchalant.
And I am absolutely insane to have spent some much time and work on this exercise when I could have been doing 1000 things more productive.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 28, 2008, 10:54:18 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 28, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
So as you can see, all major composers, all well-known pieces in the standard repertoire. And the game revealed some other interesting things about its players:

Luke is very competitive.
So is Jezetha.
Rappy is very honest and won't guess things he hasn't heard.
Mark is very nonchalant.
And I am absolutely insane to have spent some much time and work on this exercise when I could have been doing 1000 things more productive.  :D

I found it an excellent quiz, Sfz. If that's insanity, there should be more of it around.

Oh, before I forget - could I get a half point extra? Please. I knew #4 was Verdi...

I am rather competitive.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 29, 2008, 12:42:55 AM
Thanks, Sforzando, I agree with Jezetha that this was an excellent quiz (although I didn't take use of the last twists).
The only piece I knew well and didn't recognize in the first round was the Prokofiev. The Beethoven quartet didn't pop up immediately but I must admit that I haven't listenened to that one in particular for quite a while. The instrumentation helped then. The others I guessed with the help of the tempo indications  ;D


I request another round! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 12:47:59 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 29, 2008, 12:42:55 AM
I request another round! 8)

Hasn't the poor man suffered enough?!  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 01:39:15 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 28, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
So as you can see, all major composers, all well-known pieces in the standard repertoire. And the game revealed some other interesting things about its players:

Luke is very competitive.
So is Jezetha.
Rappy is very honest and won't guess things he hasn't heard.
Mark is very nonchalant.
And I am absolutely insane to have spent some much time and work on this exercise when I could have been doing 1000 things more productive.  :D

Hmm, competitive maybe, but only against myself - in the sense that, I'd got all of Rappy's and have done pretty well on the 'main quiz' here, so I wanted to get all of yours too. But also - and the number of scores I've posted on this thread may be a clue to this - I have a love affair with the written note, and I can't bear not to be able to place a page of score or a fragment of music, especially when, as in the case of your quiz, most of them that I didn't get straightaway nevertheless looked familiar. It's maddening not to know, so I keep on thinking....

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 01:42:07 AM
Now, whilst we're waiting for whatever the Dickens young Mr Twist has prepared for us next, there are still some of these to clear up. I might give you some clues in a little while, because we need to get these out of the way...

First list, in two parts:
Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - Weissenberg - Sonate en etat de Jazz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - Berlioz - Rustic Serenade - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - Bloch - Concerto Grosso no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Berstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - Chausson - Poeme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - Enescu - Piano Quintet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - Dukas - La plainte, au loin, du faune - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - Janacek - Adagio - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - Barry - Au Milieu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329 - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - Bergman - Lament and Incantation - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - Hungarian Folkmusic - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - Dillon - Windowas and Canopies - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - Panufnik - Pentasonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)
346 - Bizet - L'Arlesienne (suite 1) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207192.html#msg207192)
347 - Saint-Saens - Organ Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207194.html#msg207194)
348 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207196.html#msg207196)
349 - Tavener - The Protecting Veil - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207197.html#msg207197)
350 - Orff - Carmina Burana - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207198.html#msg207198)
351 - Holst - The Planets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207199.html#msg207199)
352 - Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien - (Mark) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207200.html#msg207200)
353 - Bizet - Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207202.html#msg207202)
354 - Janacek - Glagolitic Mass - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207204.html#msg207204)
355 - Haydn - Symhpony no 6 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207205.html#msg207205)
356 - Rachmaninov - Piano concerto 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207206.html#msg207206)
357 - Lutoslawski - Concerto for orchestra - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207207.html#msg207207)
358 - Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207210.html#msg207210)
359 - Tavener - Coplas (Ultimos Ritos) - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207211.html#msg207211)
360 - Verdi - Aida - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207212.html#msg207212)
361 - Strauss - Alpensinfonie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg209621.html#msg209621)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Set by Greg
32 - Haydn - Symphony no 99 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207317.html#msg207317)

Clues to Luke's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg209618.html#msg209618)

Clues to Guido's remaining ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg206370.html#msg206370)


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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 01:42:12 AM
Same here, Luke. I was not so much playing against anyone as against the examples, so to speak. I, too, wanted to know first and foremost.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 01:58:46 AM
The remaining ones of mine. Latest clues are in....let's see, what colour shall we have this time......GREEN
322 - Composer of a recently identified score. Might help to look at the piece in a little detail. You did notice the quotation, then? You'd better get this one quickly or I promise you'll be able to hear my complaints even if you're many miles away.This well-known composer didn't have a huge output and is best known for one work, already on this thread. He was the teacher of someone who himself became one of the most famous of musical teachers
332 - Relatively recently deceased composer of 'Requiem for a dead poet' - shares a middle name with the main male protagonist of 341. Very much one of Alban's men... Or Ingmar's, I suppose... Comes from the land of Poju Johan got the composer - Erik Bergman - but maybe it got lost in the melee. I think the piece, for soprano and cello, ought to be findable with this knowledge, so I'll leave it for a while just to see if this prompt helps.
342 - Should be clear who. No, not him, the other one....  ;D Kodaly, Johan has ascertained.  I'm on the verge of just giving you this one, as it is only what it seems to be. Have a guess before I reveal it. That isn't a clue, by the way. OK, I'll reveal that one in a minute. Damn, I never did. As I said, it's just what it seems to be - it's from his set of arrangements simply entitled 'Hungairan Folk Music'. So now you don't have to bother with this one.
344 - one of the pieces I loved most as a teenager - extraordinary texturally and timbral invention, and superlative orchestration, so that it sounds as fantastic as it looks, not just the grey sludge it could have become. Deliberately scored for a Haydnesque orchestra. The composer - whose name is also that of an important political figure of the last century from the country of 325 - is self-taught, but when younger played the national instrument of his country and in a rock band (called Influx, apparently). His music is both ultra-complex and instantly accessible. Look at the clue for 325 to help you with the relevant part of this clue. Therefore, given my new update to the clue for 325, it is clear that the famous politician with whom this composer shares his name is Irish. This composer isn't Irish, though - but he does come from another Celtic country, very nearby. The noo. OK, I don't think new clues are required, just a clarification of the previous one. He's Scotish, a contemporary, 'complexity' composer (though he might not like the classification). There's really only one of those. This is probably my favourite piece by him, and I've mentioned it many times in the past, though not so much recently. It has a two-part name which suggests the structure of the piece.  
34 - palindromic. Who does that sort of thing....? I has a piece by him a ling time ago, which was also partly palindromic; my sample showed the middle point of the palindrome. That score was guessed by someone from the same country as this composer. And he won't let us forget it.... though he doesn't hang around this thread as much as he should anymore  :'( As I told Greg, when I was a boy, I lived not far from this composer, but he wasn't a native of my country Where is Maciek, anyway? Similarly, clarification rather than much new stuff: a Polish composer who lived in London. A proper, well-known composer too, not one of those unknown bunch of consonants Maciek usually throws at us  ;D ;D :-* :-* OK, a bit of new information: this is a piano work concerned in all manner of ways with the number five
348 - composer appeared in this very same set of pieces. More than once
357 - Only slightly less famous than the original work in this genre, composed by a great Hungarian composer. Another one that The Pole would know inside out, were he to grace us with his presence. So, likewise, a famous Pole - as much as and probably more than the last one. An early pioneer of aleatory techniques, but not in a Cageian way. There, it ought to be easy now.

Can we get these before I go all round the rainbow please?  0:) 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 02:11:55 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 01:58:46 AM
A proper, well-known composer too, not one of those unknown bunch of consonants Maciek usually throws at us  ;D ;D :-* :-*

;D

QuoteCan we get these before I go all round the rainbow please?  0:) 0:)

Nothing wrong with rainbows. But I'll give them another try later today (am busy writing, though you wouldn't know it).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 29, 2008, 03:10:04 AM
I decided to take a peek, since all of the "recent posts" were coming from here...

Last time I visited this thread, you were up to page 164... :o ::) ;)

345 is Panufnik's Pentasonata

357 is probably Lutoslawski, waiting for it to load...

(Incidentally, my "Magic of the Poles" quiz is much easier, and yet it never got the attention this thread is getting :P ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 29, 2008, 03:14:03 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 29, 2008, 03:10:04 AM
357 is probably Lutoslawski, waiting for it to load...

Concerto for orchestra?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 29, 2008, 03:14:03 AM
Concerto for orchestra?

I have a score and will check - yes. I'll bet 344 is James Dillon's Windows and Canopies.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 03:18:31 AM
# 332 Bergman - Lament and Incantation
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 03:25:24 AM
All of those are correct. Sforzando obviously has looked into my posting history with that Dillon guess!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 03:28:54 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 29, 2008, 03:10:04 AM
(Incidentally, my "Magic of the Poles" quiz is much easier, and yet it never got the attention this thread is getting :P ;D)

Yes, but that involves listening to music, doesn't it? And, really, who has got time for that sort of thing....?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 03:40:35 AM
Is 322 Paul Dukas?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 03:54:23 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 29, 2008, 03:40:35 AM
Is 322 Paul Dukas?

La plainte, au loin, du faune... ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 03:58:57 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 03:54:23 AM
La plainte, au loin, du faune... ?

It is, Sfz...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 04:06:10 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
I have a score and will check - yes. I'll bet 344 is James Dillon's Windows and Canopies.

I see my problem with the clue:
"Only slightly less famous than the original work in this genre, composed by a great Hungarian composer."

I read the last phrase as an absolute, rather than a modifier for "original work." And so I thought we were dealing with another Hungarian composer. I think I've heard the Luto CfO just once, and I find that with increasing age and senilitude, it is harder to retain newly heard works, especially non-tonal ones, in my aural memory than it was when I was Luke's age.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 04:22:40 AM
The Lutoslawski Concerto for Orchestra is tonal, btw. I don't know why it isn't even more famous than it is - it's a spectacular work, a real crowd-pleaser but full of subtle things. Sorry if my clue misled.

The Dukas is also correct - hence my clue about being able to hear my complaints from far away if you don't get it! Obviously the quoted work is that piece by Debussy that Eric quite likes; Dukas turns it into something troubling, pained but equally sensitive. A typically refined work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 05:21:40 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 04:22:40 AM
The Lutoslawski Concerto for Orchestra is tonal, btw.

I know. But I've only heard it once that I can remember. Today, however, I brought my CDs of the Luto CfO and the Dillon pieces to work for my lunchtime listening session. (Or actually, any time I feel like putting my headphones on to use with my little portable CD player.) That's another good thing about this thread; it can stimulate people to dig out pieces they've not paid attention to. I have a suspicion that Jez will soon be acquiring the Brahms Horn Trio, with that rollicking finale.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 05:36:08 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 05:21:40 AM
I have a suspicion that Jez will soon be acquiring the Brahms Horn Trio, with that rollicking finale.

Mea culpa - I have Brahms's complete chamber music on Brilliant...  :-[

But there is so much music to listen to, apart from living and writing!  :o

But I'll give the Horn Trio a spin very soon.  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 06:00:53 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on July 29, 2008, 05:36:08 AM
But there is so much music to listen to, apart from living and writing!  :o

That's very true; however, the Brahms chamber music should always be at the top of the pile  ;D

Enjoy your listening, Sfz! You have this Dillon piece, do you?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 06:40:23 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 06:00:53 AM
Enjoy your listening, Sfz! You have this Dillon piece, do you?

Oh, yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 11:39:44 AM
The only one of mine which remains is 348, for which I forgot to give a clue earlier, stupidly. As per an earlier clue, it's by a composer who has appeared in my more recent scores already. The instrumentation is unique to this piece, pretty clearly. The whole work is in a certain sense an enormously extended E flat major chord, though this effect is spoiled somewhat on the only recording I know of, in which the final moments are allowed to drift 'dramatically' away from that key. It spoils is somewhat. That recording, btw, is on very famous label, but not one usually associated with classical music; this composer was the exception to this rule.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 11:55:12 AM
Is it Gerald Barry again? There are Irish references in the text...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 11:57:03 AM
No, though the Celtic thing is significant.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 12:06:44 PM
Tavener, Celtic Requiem
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 12:07:09 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on July 29, 2008, 03:41:27 PM
First list, in two parts:

Part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
Part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

New list:

Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - Weissenberg - Sonate en etat de Jazz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - Berlioz - Rustic Serenade - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - Bloch - Concerto Grosso no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Bernstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - Chausson - Poeme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - Enescu - Piano Quintet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - Dukas - La plainte, au loin, du faune - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - Janacek - Adagio - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - Barry - Au Milieu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329 - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni’s Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - Bergman - Lament and Incantation - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - Hungarian Folkmusic - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - Dillon - Windowas and Canopies - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - Panufnik - Pentasonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)
346 - Bizet - L'Arlesienne (suite 1) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207192.html#msg207192)
347 - Saint-Saens - Organ Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207194.html#msg207194)
348 - Tavener - Celtic Requiem - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207196.html#msg207196)
349 - Tavener - The Protecting Veil - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207197.html#msg207197)
350 - Orff - Carmina Burana - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207198.html#msg207198)
351 - Holst - The Planets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207199.html#msg207199)
352 - Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien - (Mark) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207200.html#msg207200)
353 - Bizet - Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207202.html#msg207202)
354 - Janacek - Glagolitic Mass - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207204.html#msg207204)
355 - Haydn - Symhpony no 6 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207205.html#msg207205)
356 - Rachmaninov - Piano concerto 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207206.html#msg207206)
357 - Lutoslawski - Concerto for orchestra - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207207.html#msg207207)
358 - Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207210.html#msg207210)
359 - Tavener - Coplas (Ultimos Ritos) - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207211.html#msg207211)
360 - Verdi - Aida - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207212.html#msg207212)
361 - Strauss - Alpensinfonie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg209621.html#msg209621)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Set by Greg
32 - Haydn - Symphony no 99 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207317.html#msg207317)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 04:11:39 PM
Double  ;D

Now we just need Guido to stop by and give us a 'push in the right direction' on his last two.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 29, 2008, 05:52:36 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on July 29, 2008, 04:11:39 PM
Double  ;D

Now we just need Guido to stop by and give us a 'push in the right direction' on his last two.

And then I'll post another dozen...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on July 30, 2008, 04:19:28 AM
No need to wait for Guido, though, for that!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 01, 2008, 09:04:45 AM
OK - well as you can see one of mine is for string orchestra, but the cello line is unusually high - in fact it is a solo and has the tune all the way through. The piece is not particularly well known one by the composer, but is a real treasure. It was recorded by Bernstein, so it's not that obscure.

The other one is a very early piano piece by this composer, with a rather Brahmsian flavour. I love the way you can see so clearly all the strands of the music on this first page - so beautiful to look at, let alone hear!

Just to make it really obvious for you, rather predictably, these are by some of my favourite composers - I don't have enough money yet to buy scores by composers that I am not completely in love with!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 01, 2008, 10:00:56 AM
Quote from: Guido on August 01, 2008, 09:04:45 AM
OK - well as you can see one of mine is for string orchestra, but the cello line is unusually high - in fact it is a solo and has the tune all the way through. The piece is not particularly well known one by the composer, but is a real treasure. It was recorded by Bernstein, so it's not that obscure.

The other one is a very early piano piece by this composer, with a rather Brahmsian flavour. I love the way you can see so clearly all the strands of the music on this first page - so beautiful to look at, let alone hear!

Just to make it really obvious for you, rather predictably, these are by some of my favourite composers - I don't have enough money yet to buy scores by composers that I am not completely in love with!!

Going through Lenny's discrography, and not being at home to check my CDs (and I think I have this one but I know I haven't listened to it yet), I'll say your string orchestra one could be William Schuman's 5th symphony.
http://www.leonardbernstein.com/lifeswork/discography/
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 01, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 01, 2008, 11:42:27 AM
I reckon 52 might well be the Ives Hymn for stings, Largo cantabile. What I've heard of the work would fit. And Bernstein recorded it. And Guido like Ives a little, I believe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 01, 2008, 11:44:20 AM
Yes, that would fit - it's for string quartet + double bass, or for string orchestra, as LB recorded it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 01, 2008, 12:20:25 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 01, 2008, 11:44:20 AM
Yes, that would fit - it's for string quartet + double bass, or for string orchestra, as LB recorded it.

Doesn't look much like Ives.  :-[

Whoever plays that piano piece needs a stretch like an albatross.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 01, 2008, 12:45:46 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on August 01, 2008, 12:20:25 PM
Doesn't look much like Ives.  :-[

I don't know - those homophonic violin+cello parts with their relatively complex rhythms over the more steady motion underneath remind me of certain things in some of his slower movements, e.g. the first of the Places in New England.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 01, 2008, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 01, 2008, 12:45:46 PM
I don't know - those homophonic violin+cello parts with their relatively complex rhythms over the more steady motion underneath remind me of certain things in some of his slower movements, e.g. the first of the Places in New England.

I suppose.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 01, 2008, 01:00:42 PM
This kind of thing, though it doesn't quite fit the description I just gave: 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 01, 2008, 07:33:59 PM
Correct Luke! I really recommend hearing this little four minute beauty - listen to the Bernstein recording too - the cellist and orchestra is better than all the other recordings... It's actually a great CD coupled with the second Symphony, and by far my favourite recordings of The Unanswered Question and Central Park in the Dark.

http://www.amazon.com/Charles-Ives-Cantabile-Unanswered-Philharmonic/dp/B000001GC4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1217648002&sr=8-2
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 10, 2008, 03:22:24 PM
Where is everyone?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 10, 2008, 03:25:56 PM
I am here. Sfz is often to be seen, too. Only Luke is strangely absent. Perhaps the time of year.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 17, 2008, 04:06:54 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on August 10, 2008, 03:25:56 PM
I am here. Sfz is often to be seen, too. Only Luke is strangely absent. Perhaps the time of year.  ;)

I've been here all the time, but my legs have been away on a walking holiday, as you can see:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 17, 2008, 04:42:02 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 17, 2008, 04:06:54 AM
I've been here all the time, but my legs have been away on a walking holiday, as you can see:

Good to see your legs have returned to the GMG fold... !
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 27, 2008, 06:55:07 AM
Still the most popular thread amongst spiders, anyway....

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 27, 2008, 09:52:35 AM
May have to give them some more scores to spin their webs on soon, I suppose. Just waiting for Guido to give more help on his last two, or reveal them. Also, I've been so busy composin' an' stuff that I haven't had the time or energy this game requires recently. So we'll see....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 27, 2008, 10:19:03 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on August 27, 2008, 09:52:35 AM
May have to give them some more scores to spin their webs on soon, I suppose. Just waiting for Guido to give more help on his last two, or reveal them. Also, I've been so busy composin' an' stuff that I haven't had the time or energy this game requires recently. So we'll see....

Adding to the store of the world's scores is an acceptable reason for your otherwise shameful negligence.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 27, 2008, 10:19:48 AM
Don't be too hasty. You haven't seen it yet.....  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on August 27, 2008, 10:23:30 AM
I'm sure you won't disappoint either yourself or us.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on August 27, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
Oh ye of little too much faith  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 27, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
Only one of mine remaining as far as I remember - Ives' Hymn for string orchestra was already guessed (by you?)

The last remaining one is by another American and is dedicated to a lady named Jeanne. That should do it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2008, 12:25:35 AM
OK - the remaining one of mine was Barber's Interlude no.1 (Adagio for Jeanne).

Here is the Ives piece that I mentioned a few posts up in the best recording that I know of: Lenny with the NY Phil. Don't know who the cellist is sadly, though I'm sure someone could work it out based on the recording date.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=0fc033e0edbddf2fd2db6fb9a8902bda
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 06, 2008, 04:25:07 AM
I searched and searched within Barber's output - must have considered this piece, I'm sure. But I couldn't track it with any certainty. Oh well - they're all done now. Anyone wanting more?  >:D >:D >:D >:D  I've got some easy ones prepared.....and some harder ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 06, 2008, 11:19:01 PM
Sure!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:27:43 AM
You asked for it! Here we go, 11 new ones, some very easy and from infamous pieces, some much harder:

LO 362
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:29:51 AM
LO 363 and 364
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:31:04 AM
LO 365 and 366
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:31:48 AM
LO 367
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:32:50 AM
LO 368

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:33:49 AM
LO 369 and 370

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:34:43 AM
LO 371 and 372
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:39:59 AM
Here's the completed set of the previous scores:


Set by Luke
293 - Tchaikovsky - Festival Overture on the Danish National Anthem - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
294 - Tovey - Piano Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
295 - Wagner - Fantasy in F# minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
296 - Wagner-Wolf - Paraphrase über "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192905.html#msg192905)
297 - Valen - Piano Sonata no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
298 - Weissenberg - Sonate en etat de Jazz - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
299 - Wolf-Ferrari - Violin Sonata in A minor - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
300 - Theo Ysaye - Piano Concerto op 9 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192906.html#msg192906)
301 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
302 - Tchaikovsky - The Tempest - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg192908.html#msg192908)
303 - Cage - from Songbooks - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196374.html#msg196374)
304 - Busoni - Concerto for piano and strings op 17 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
305 - Berlioz - Rustic Serenade - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
306 - Beethoven - Adagio (mandolin/piano) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
307 - Berg - Four pieces for clarinet and piano - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196562.html#msg196562)
308 - Arensky - Piano Trio no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
309 - Antheil - Sonata no 2 'The Airplane' - (Greg) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
310 - Bloch - Concerto Grosso no 1 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
311 - Bernstein - Wonderful Town - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196563.html#msg196563)
312 - Barber - Hesitation Tango - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
313 - Carpenter - Krazy Kat - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
314 - Bax - Harp Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
315 - Berg - Abschied - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196564.html#msg196564)
316 - Bernstein - La Bonne Cuisine - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
317 - Bruckner - Christus factus est pro nobis - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
318 - Chausson - Poeme - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196566.html#msg196566)
319 - Enescu - Piano Quintet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196965.html#msg196965)
320 - Heinrich - A Chromatic Ramble of the Peregrine Harmonist - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199182.html#msg199182)
321 - Lili Boulanger - Vielle priere bouddhique - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
322 - Dukas - La plainte, au loin, du faune - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199183.html#msg199183)
323 - Maxwell Davies - The Lighthouse - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199184.html#msg199184)
324 - Janacek - Adagio - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199185.html#msg199185)
325 - Barry - Au Milieu - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199186.html#msg199186)
326 - Prokofiev - Classical Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199187.html#msg199187)
327 - Shostakovich - Fugue in D flat major (from the 24) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199188.html#msg199188)
328 - Sibelius - Symphony no 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg199189.html#msg199189)
329 - Copland - Piano Fantasy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
330 - Stevenson - Prelude, Fugue and Fantasy on Busoni's Faust - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204454.html#msg204454)
331 - Musgrave - Narcissus - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204455.html#msg204455)
332 - Bergman - Lament and Incantation - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204456.html#msg204456)
333 - Schubert - G major quartet - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204457.html#msg204457)
334 - Nielsen - Flute Concerto - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204458.html#msg204458)
335 - Haydn - Farewell Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204459.html#msg204459)
336 - Elgar - Gerontius - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204460.html#msg204460)
337 - Dukas - L'Aprenti Sorcier - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204461)
338 - Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204462.html#msg204462)
339 - Berlioz - Harold in Italy - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204465.html#msg204465)
340 - Stravinsky - Threni - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204466.html#msg204466)
341 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204467.html#msg204467)
342 - Kodaly - Hungarian Folkmusic - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204468.html#msg204468)
343 - Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204469.html#msg204469)
344 - Dillon - Windowas and Canopies - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204470.html#msg204470)
345 - Panufnik - Pentasonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204471.html#msg204471)
346 - Bizet - L'Arlesienne (suite 1) - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207192.html#msg207192)
347 - Saint-Saens - Organ Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207194.html#msg207194)
348 - Tavener - Celtic Requiem - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207196.html#msg207196)
349 - Tavener - The Protecting Veil - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207197.html#msg207197)
350 - Orff - Carmina Burana - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207198.html#msg207198)
351 - Holst - The Planets - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207199.html#msg207199)
352 - Tchaikovsky - Capriccio Italien - (Mark) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207200.html#msg207200)
353 - Bizet - Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207202.html#msg207202)
354 - Janacek - Glagolitic Mass - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207204.html#msg207204)
355 - Haydn - Symhpony no 6 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207205.html#msg207205)
356 - Rachmaninov - Piano concerto 3 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207206.html#msg207206)
357 - Lutoslawski - Concerto for orchestra - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207207.html#msg207207)
358 - Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207210.html#msg207210)
359 - Tavener - Coplas (Ultimos Ritos) - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207211.html#msg207211)
360 - Verdi - Aida - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207212.html#msg207212)
361 - Strauss - Alpensinfonie - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg209621.html#msg209621)


Set by Greta
1 - Berio - Sequenza IXb - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
2 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno musicale di Annalibera - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194210.html#msg194210)
3 - Stravinsky - Petrouchka - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
4 - Brahms - op 119/3 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194211.html#msg194211)
5 - Adams - Harmonielehre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
6 - Sibelius - Kullervo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)
7 - Grainger - Lincolnshire Posy - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg194212.html#msg194212)

Set by Chrone:
4 - Rogers - Guadalcanal March - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)
5 - Hermann - Vertigo - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196404.html#msg196404)

Set by Sforzando
49 - Faure - Violin Sonata no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
50 - Sullivan - The Mikado - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
51 - Schutz - Ich ruf zu dir - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
52 - Puccini - La Rondine - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196895.html#msg196895)
53 - Puccini - Messa di Gloria - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
54 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 4 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
55 - Peter Susser - Quatre Bêtises - (revealed by Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
56 - Copland - 8 Dickinson Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196898.html#msg196898)
57 - Hindemith - The Four Temperaments - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
58 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
59 - Bernstein - Songfest - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
60 - Grieg - Slatter - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg196901.html#msg196901)
61 - Beethoven - Kakadu Variations (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
62 - Beethoven - Fugue for string quintet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
63 - Prokofiev - Overture on Hebrew Themes - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197336.html#msg197336)
64 - Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
65 - Verdi - Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
66 - Sullivan - Cox and Box - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197337.html#msg197337)
67 - Bernstein - Candide - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
68 - Sondheim - A Little Night Music - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
69 - Gershwin - An American in Paris - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197338.html#msg197338)
70 - Egge - Symphony no 3 (Louisville) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
71 - Butterworth - A Shropshire Lad (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
72 - Falla - El retabloe de Maese Pedro - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197340.html#msg197340)
73 - Wolf-Ferrari - IL segreto di Susanna - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
74 - Beethoven - Ah, perfido - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197343.html#msg197343)
75 - Berlioz - La Mort de Cleopatre - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)
76 - Boyce - Symphony no 1 - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg197344.html#msg197344)

Set by Guido
42 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 10 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
43 - Part - Silouans Song - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
44 - Ives - Hymn for Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204970.html#msg204970)
45 - W Schuman - Song of Orpheus - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
46 - Ives - Sunrise - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
47 - Feldman - Cello and Orchestra - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204973.html#msg204973)
48 - Harrison - Suite for Symphonic Strings - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
49 - Barber - Cello Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
50 - Ruggles - Angels - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204974.html#msg204974)
51 - Prokofiev - Sinfonia Concertante - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)
52 - Barber - Interlude no 1 - (revealed by Guido) -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204976.html#msg204976)

Set by Greg
32 - Haydn - Symphony no 99 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg207317.html#msg207317)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:42:00 AM
And a new list for us to work from, beginning with links to the old lists for reference.

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - ?  - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)




Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 07, 2008, 06:07:12 AM
Well, duh. 372 is John Cage's most famous composition. 4'33".

362 looks like a piano piece by Elliott Carter. I have no idea which, except it's obviously not the Piano Sonata and it's too simple to be Night Fantasies. I'm going to guess that it's 90+.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 07, 2008, 06:07:58 AM
367 looks like Terry Reilly's In C
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 07, 2008, 06:13:04 AM
364 is Mozart's Impresario Overture, in the composer's own hand.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 07, 2008, 09:01:35 AM
369 is Cage's 4'33"
367 is one of Feldman's Intersections I believe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on September 07, 2008, 06:07:12 AM
Well, duh. 372 is John Cage's most famous composition. 4'33".

Of course it is - told you there were some infamous ones in here! All other guesses, by you and by Guido, are correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 07, 2008, 09:04:19 AM
Oops didn't see that Mark had already answered that one. I was going to say that 362 looked like Carter - I was instantly drawn to the beauty of the score...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 09:06:36 AM
I know it was just a typo, Guido, but it's 369 which is the Feldman, not 367. And the Cage is 372, not 369!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 07, 2008, 09:11:39 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 09:06:36 AM
I know it was just a typo, Guido, but it's 369 which is the Feldman, not 367. And the Cage is 372, not 369!  ;D

Oops... I appear to be unable to read or process numerals. What an interesting turn of events... I wonder what this means for my degree.
370 looks fascinating.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 09:18:40 AM
As you can see, 370 is a reduction; I don't know if a full score of this piece even exists. It's really quite a well-known piece, one of modern classical music's bigger sellers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 09:20:41 AM
Obviously I erased the words, too. If I'd left them in no detective work would have been needed at all!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on September 07, 2008, 10:34:03 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 09:18:40 AM
As you can see, 370 is a reduction; I don't know if a full score of this piece even exists. It's really quite a well-known piece, one of modern classical music's bigger sellers.

I thought maybe it was something by Saul.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 10:37:30 AM
Ouch!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 07, 2008, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:31:48 AM
LO 367
Easy. Terry Riley's In C, of which I made my own interpretation of.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 01:40:08 PM
@ everyone - 370 is one you know, for sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on September 07, 2008, 02:46:01 PM
371: Malcolm Arnold, "Hobson's Choice"

Hi everyone! It's been awhile.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 07, 2008, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: Chrone on September 07, 2008, 02:46:01 PM
371: Malcolm Arnold, "Hobson's Choice"

Hi everyone! It's been awhile.

Genius!  :o :o :o

And hello!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
If you don't mind my asking, did you know that one somehow, or was it pure detective work? Or do you in fact have it in the same source I do, namely, as a sample in a book about film music?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on September 08, 2008, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
If you don't mind my asking, did you know that one somehow, or was it pure detective work? Or do you in fact have it in the same source I do, namely, as a sample in a book about film music?

As much as I hate to reveal my secrets (heeheehee), it was some fairly trivial detective work. I noticed the unusual references to shoes in the score, then Googled (with quotes as shown):

"ladies boots" "ladies shoes" "toddlers shoes"

and this link came up first:

http://books.google.com/books?id=a4tF-QPBrP4C&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=%22ladies+boots%22+%22ladies+shoes%22+%22toddlers+shoes%22&source=web&ots=YKv2k0ZQ8J&sig=Ir1sfvfgbjftUm1p-21D1QBIWyE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result (http://books.google.com/books?id=a4tF-QPBrP4C&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=%22ladies+boots%22+%22ladies+shoes%22+%22toddlers+shoes%22&source=web&ots=YKv2k0ZQ8J&sig=Ir1sfvfgbjftUm1p-21D1QBIWyE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result)

Without those textual clues I would have had no idea!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 09:27:12 AM
That's why I left them in, of course. I'f I'd given you the next page - cue: Skylight - it may have been somewhat harder.

That's the fun of this game, for me - if you don't know the score immediately, the thrill is in the chase and the detective work.

Of course, sometimes people leave unobtrusive little clues hanging around in their posts too. Couldn't possibly say if I've done that recently.  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on September 08, 2008, 09:37:09 AM
Can you give us a hint for 370?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 09:46:49 AM
I did (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224544.html#msg224544)

Another hint - it's English.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
Actually, that hint isn't a very good one. I'll try to come up with another.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 09:49:27 AM
Problem is, it's a piece with such a unique and striking history that most clues will make it too easy, I suspect. Sorry to fail you like that. I'll keep thinking.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 11:29:31 AM
From the mounds of trivia I can unearth on the piece, I'll give you this nugget - this piece once caused a police raid on a radio station.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 10, 2008, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 08, 2008, 11:29:31 AM
From the mounds of trivia I can unearth on the piece, I'll give you this nugget - this piece once caused a police raid on a radio station.

That could be just about anything.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 10, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
Ah, yes, but this raid was in.....Canada!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 11, 2008, 04:47:52 AM
(Dudley Do-Right?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 16, 2008, 05:55:35 AM
(http://pics.livejournal.com/whereofthereof/pic/00007w0x)

Can anyone identify this piece of music? A real Mystery Score!

It's from Wittgenstein - the inscription suggests that he is remembering it from somewhere, but it may also be his only composition.

He was a very talented musician - had perfect pitch, played the clarinet in several ensembles and considered becoming a coductor apparently. I guess musicality ran in the family!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 06:09:28 AM
Blimey, I don't know....

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 06:09:46 AM
Sorry, did I just drop something?  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 16, 2008, 06:11:29 AM
Somehow, Luke, I am reminded of Steve Martin mentioning in his autobiography (Born Standing Up) that he once added to his act a dramatic reading of the Periodic Table . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 06:12:30 AM
Guido's looks like something by someone who's heard Heldenleben recently, possibly preceded by Rheingold...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 06:13:09 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 16, 2008, 06:11:29 AM
Somehow, Luke, I am reminded of Steve Martin mentioning in his autobiography (Born Standing Up) that he once added to his act a dramatic reading of the Periodic Table . . . .

;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 16, 2008, 06:45:13 AM
I think Guido's looks like something from Also Sprach Zarathustra.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 12:16:27 PM
Oops, I did it again, to coin a phrase.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 12:26:35 PM
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)


Set by Guido
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on September 16, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
362 - Night Fantasies (guessing from the all-interval chord in the LH and the fact that it is too slow 70+ bars into it to be 90+ or one of the newer solo pieces)

368- Babbitt?  anyway looks like an integral serialist piece, but the range is too narrow for Boulez and it does not look like Messiaen either



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on September 16, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
362 - Night Fantasies (guessing from the all-interval chord in the LH and the fact that it is too slow 70+ bars into it to be 90+ or one of the newer solo pieces)

No

Quote from: bwv 1080 on September 16, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
368- Babbitt?  anyway looks like an integral serialist piece, but the range is too narrow for Boulez and it does not look like Messiaen either

Babbitt is correct. If you find one of these two pieces, you'll find the other. That's probably a very generous clue, actually.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on September 16, 2008, 06:45:15 PM
373: Barry Guy, "Inscape-Tableaux #5"

Don't ask.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 17, 2008, 05:37:25 AM
I'm not asking.

But I admit, I want to.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bwv 1080 on September 17, 2008, 06:33:29 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 16, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
No

Babbitt is correct. If you find one of these two pieces, you'll find the other. That's probably a very generous clue, actually.

Ok 362 is the first of the Two Diversions

The Babbitt piece is Partitions
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 17, 2008, 07:32:44 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on September 17, 2008, 06:33:29 AM
Ok 362 is the first of the Two Diversions

The Babbitt piece is Partitions

The first is correct, but the second isn't.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 17, 2008, 07:34:37 AM
Quote from: Chrone on September 16, 2008, 06:45:15 PM
373: Barry Guy, "Inscape-Tableaux #5"

Don't ask.

I've been trying not to, all day! That's one I didn't really expect to go, I just had it hanging around on my computer as an illustration of graphic scoring to show the kids at school.

So, do tell!

(I find it odd that the tricky ones go - Chrone being the main culprit here  ;D - but the easy one, 370, remains)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 17, 2008, 07:39:38 AM
A Luke sighting! (YHM)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 17, 2008, 07:41:13 AM
(Nary an inkling viz. 370.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 17, 2008, 11:05:15 AM
You've failed me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on September 17, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 17, 2008, 07:34:37 AM
I've been trying not to, all day! That's one I didn't really expect to go, I just had it hanging around on my computer as an illustration of graphic scoring to show the kids at school.

So, do tell!

(I find it odd that the tricky ones go - Chrone being the main culprit here  ;D - but the easy one, 370, remains)

OK, I'm a chemist and I had remembered seeing that score awhile back on an unusual musical notation website when I was looking for stuff to post on this thread. It took a few minutes to find it again, and finally found it here (along with lots of other cool stuff):

http://www.barryguy.com/composition/graphic/index.html (http://www.barryguy.com/composition/graphic/index.html)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 17, 2008, 07:17:49 PM
Indeed - I found it a similar way, looking for graphic scores for the kids to marvel at: I have all the other ones on this site too.

So odd that the composer of After the Rain - an unusual but direct and beautiful piece, do you know it? - should write scores in this style too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 18, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
You guys really aren't picking up on my clues to 370, are you?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 18, 2008, 11:01:17 AM
Has anyone tried.....playing it?  :o :o I'm sure many of you have heard this little ditty, many times over.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 18, 2008, 11:06:31 AM
Well, I have no access to a piano, otherwise I should have done.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 18, 2008, 11:34:08 AM
I must say, if I'd been notating 370, I'd have done it somewhat differently - rhythmically speaking this isn't really how the piece sounds. But the basics are correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Tell us what it is already!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
No, no, I am keen to guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 10:20:45 AM
I'm really trying to think of a clue to give you that won't make it too obvious, but again, I've failed.  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 10:41:07 AM
I wonder . . . and now, I'm either on maybe the right tack, or I'm off entirely still  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 10:43:21 AM
Just programmed it into Sibelius and I still don't recognise it! I played it at crotchet = 100

I did notice that it has been notated extremely badly though - like by someone who has only just about got the fundamentals of notation sorted... The worst of it is the second bar of the second system: It's anyone's guess what is happening there!

Anyway... Don't know it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
Neither does my brother, and he's into the 'pop music' as I believe it's known in the vernacular.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
I'll bet I'm off entirely still  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 19, 2008, 10:57:47 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 19, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
"I never feel that my music is sparse or minimalist; the way fat people never really think they're fat. I certainly don't consider myself minimalist at all."

Morton Feldman

Of course Feldman weighed more than 300 pounds himself, and I don't mean sterling.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 19, 2008, 10:43:21 AM
I did notice that it has been notated extremely badly though - like by someone who has only just about got the fundamentals of notation sorted... The worst of it is the second bar of the second system: It's anyone's guess what is happening there!

Very interesting that you should say that - that's not at all far off the mark, as you'll see when the piece/composer is revealed. Did my latest clue fail too? Seems I'm just repeating myself endlessly....

Another clue, less cryptic than the last, is that the composer here shares something very specific with a recently guessed composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 19, 2008, 10:57:47 AM
Of course Feldman weighed more than 300 pounds himself, and I don't mean sterling.

Truly a great composer. And for once, nice to know I still have a long way to go, though not as far as I'd like.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2008, 11:25:29 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 19, 2008, 10:57:47 AM
Of course Feldman weighed more than 300 pounds himself, and I don't mean sterling.
that's funny.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 11:28:29 AM
The only 'composer' I can think of who doesn't read music is Paul McCartney who played everything from his Liverpool Oratorio or whatever the name of that piece is on the guitar and then someone transcribed and orchestrated it for him. Worst cross over artist ever?

Also Luke you'll be pleased to know that I have a leap concerto! - Tuur's concerto. It's a fascinating and beautiful piece. Do you know it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 11:30:30 AM
You can sing "Close your eyes" (from "All My Loving") to the first three notes, but . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 11:42:36 AM
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Feldman wanted to be considered the greatest Jewish composer. Is he greater than Mendlessohn and Mahler?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on September 19, 2008, 11:44:29 AM
Mendelssohn and Mahler were both converts, so they don't count. I guess the "greatest" Jewish composer is probably Stravinsky. Definitely not Feldman though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
Schoenberg?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: M forever on September 19, 2008, 11:44:29 AM
Mendelssohn and Mahler were both converts, so they don't count. I guess the "greatest" Jewish composer is probably Stravinsky.

Stravinsky was Russian Orthodox.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 19, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
Schoenberg?

Must be whom M meant, Guido; good catch!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:02:36 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 11:45:55 AM
Stravinsky was Russian Orthodox.

And, some say, had a nasty streak of anti-semitism.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
Mystified as to why M didn't mention Mahler, though. Or Wagner, the greatest Jewish composer of them all (http://www.revolve.com.au/polemic/wagner.html)  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:06:30 PM
The famous head honcho of the label which first released my 370 is on BBC 4 at the moment....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2008, 12:14:47 PM
I thought Karl was the greatest Jewish composer of all time?
Why every1 be confusin' me, yo?  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 12:21:10 PM
Use of microvowels isn't quite the same as diacritics, Greg
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
Mystified as to why M didn't mention Mahler, though. Or Wagner, the greatest Jewish composer of them all (http://www.revolve.com.au/polemic/wagner.html)  >:D >:D >:D

I mentioned Mahler, but M said that he didn't count because he converted...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:24:12 PM
Are those quartervowels or sixthvowels, Karl? It's hard to tell. And have you tried

m
   u
      l
        t
   i
          v
   o
             w
   e
                l
   i
                  n
                    g
 
yet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 19, 2008, 12:22:20 PM
I mentioned Mahler, but M said that he didn't count because he converted...

So did Schoenberg....and back again.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:24:12 PM
Are those quartervowels or sixthvowels, Karl? It's hard to tell. And have you tried

m
   u
      l
        t
   i
          v
   o
             w
   e
                l
   i
                  n
                    g
 
yet?

Very nice!

That's what M said, Guido, but I don't know if that's binding  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2008, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 19, 2008, 12:21:10 PM
Use of microvowels isn't quite the same as diacritics, Greg
Wh ,  'm lrnng lts f stff tody.
S fr m ,  fnd t ntrstng t wrt wtht vwls.
Bt t's hrd t rd.  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:31:27 PM
No it's not
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:34:55 PM
Speaking of which, who else has read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Void_(novel)):

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/A-Void.jpg/200px-A-Void.jpg)


The translations are by definition even more incredible.

And then there's the complementary follow-up, Les revenentes. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2008, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:31:27 PM
No it's not
Nt n prgrph. Bt f th whl frm strtd t wrt lk ths, t mght trn t t b  lttl bt strssfl.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on September 19, 2008, 12:29:59 PM
Wh ,  'm lrnng lts f stff tody.
S fr m ,  fnd t ntrstng o wrt wtht vwls.
Bt t's hrd o rd.  :(

Weirdly both times you wrote the word to you deleted the t rather than the o...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
The wiki page for A Void (La disparition) links here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsby_(novel)) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Train_de_Nulle_Part), the first being one of the most lovingly-done wiki pages I've seen, as it appears to follow the same self-imposed constraint as the novel it describes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2008, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:34:55 PM
Speaking of which, who else has read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Void_(novel)):

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/A-Void.jpg/200px-A-Void.jpg)


The translations are by definition even more incredible.

And then there's the complementary follow-up, Les revenentes. Unbelievable.
We had a project once like that in class- write an essay without the letter e. It wasn't very fun.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 19, 2008, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 19, 2008, 12:37:20 PM
Weirdly both times you wrote the word to you deleted the t rather than the o...
:-[
editing now......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 12:40:18 PM
An astonishing book I know Luke. It's difficult to know whether the translations are more impressive - in French e appears in even more words than it does in English.

I am just starting Life a user's manual which is truly fascinating.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on September 19, 2008, 12:38:03 PM
We had a project once like that in class- write an essay without the letter e. It wasn't very fun.

That's because you're not Perec. A weird genius, he was! Just found this (http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/tomato/tomato.html) of his, too - rather appropriate for this forum!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 19, 2008, 12:40:18 PM
I am just starting Life a user's manual which is truly fascinating.

Yes, another great one. And his unfinished novel, 53 Days, is mind-blowing in a Pale Fire kind of way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
The wiki page for A Void (La disparition) links here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsby_(novel)) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Train_de_Nulle_Part), the first being one of the most lovingly-done wiki pages I've seen, as it appears to follow the same self-imposed constraint as the novel it describes.

That's fantastic! Cheers for this.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 12:42:52 PM
Yes, another great one. And his unfinished novel, 53 Days, is mind-blowing in a Pale Fire kind of way.

Haven't read eitherof those, so don't know what mind-blowing in a Pale Fire kind of way means. Sorry!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 01:16:54 PM
Nabokov's Pale Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Fire). Or here (http://elab.eserver.org/hfl0244.html)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 19, 2008, 01:19:40 PM
Speaking of which:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 19, 2008, 01:42:52 PM
Thats five post modern masterpieces on the reading list right there then!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chrone on September 19, 2008, 03:44:12 PM
A total guess, with no detective work:

375: Stravinsky, Piano-Rag-Music ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 20, 2008, 05:00:32 AM
No. There's a reason I put this sample where I did in the thread, totally on the spur of the moment. IOW the conversation above it is a clue to the work's identity.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 20, 2008, 05:42:02 AM
One of those The Context Is the Message deals  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 20, 2008, 08:15:24 AM
Very much so. I'd add that there isn't really anything in the music itself which is much of a clue, nor is the composer well-known, though he sort-of is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 03:53:05 AM
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)
375 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg228862.html#msg228862)

Set by Guido
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)


Clues to mine in a few minutes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 04:11:11 AM
Here we are:

363 - is by an extreme, provocative and controversial experimental composer, British, who has been on this thread more than once. This score exudes an aura of the scholastic textbook which is not inappropriate for this piece.

365 - from the short score to an opera by one of the 20th centuries finest lyrical voices; the opera is named after one of its characters, and that character sings on this page.

366 - This piece is for one, two or three people.

368 - Babbitt, as has been guessed. I linked it to the Carter Diversion earlier, because they appear in the same source.

370 - you've had a fair few clues already, but have time and time again failed to get this one, which is rather contradictory. English composer, has been on this thread before, shares something very specific with Barry Guy. This is one of his earliest and certainly one of his most famous pieces. The B side of a version of the piece released in 1993 made it no 8 in the Dutch charts, apparently. The notation isn't really very good here - I'd write the piece in a straightforward 4/4 myself.

374 - By a composer one of whose piano works, says Ian Pace, is amongst the three or four hardest pieces ever written for the instrument.

375 - to repeat: this would be pretty much impossible were it not for the fraternal context given by the previous posts.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 22, 2008, 05:14:45 AM
374- is it Richard Barrett?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 05:32:02 AM
No, one of the other ones!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 22, 2008, 07:12:42 AM
okay, my second guess will be Finnissey.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 07:13:57 AM
No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 22, 2008, 07:43:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 04:11:11 AM
English composer, has been on this thread before, shares something very specific with Barry Guy.

Both male?

Barry Guy used to play with Michael Nyman.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 07:57:36 AM
Really? What did he play?  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on September 22, 2008, 08:12:13 AM
Barry Guy is a bass player, but he has that in common with a lot of people (including yours truly).

Nobody knows what 370 is. Please just tell us. It is getting tedious.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 08:15:45 AM
No, I'll leave it a little longer. It ought to be easy now. Who else on my previous lists - British composer, mind you - is a bass player?

Oh, and what he shares with Guy is not just that he's a bassist, it's that he's a jazz bassist (or an ex one).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 22, 2008, 08:23:41 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 08:15:45 AM
No, I'll leave it a little longer. It ought to be easy now. Who else on my previous lists - British composer, mind you - is a bass player?

Oh, and what he shares with Guy is not just that he's a bassist, it's that he's a jazz bassist (or an ex one).

Gavin Bryars again?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 08:26:27 AM
Gavin Bryars... aah I see that Sfz beat me too it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 08:27:33 AM
Yep, him again, but looking very different from previous scores on this thread. One of his two most famous pieces. Though not really his tune at all.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 22, 2008, 08:30:41 AM
I am glad of this further information;  for one thing, it means that I really have never known  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 22, 2008, 08:31:11 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 22, 2008, 08:26:27 AM
Gavin Bryars... aah I see that Sfz beat me too it.

That's why they call me Sfz.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 22, 2008, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 22, 2008, 08:30:41 AM
I am glad of this further information;  for one thing, it means that I really have never known  :)

Me neither.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 08:31:57 AM
Jesus's Blood Never Failed Me Yet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 08:32:52 AM
What on earth is the manuscript though Luke - surely Bryars does not write his music that badly?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 08:36:56 AM
Yes - that's the one! Which is why I've been on about 'repetition' and 'failing' 'again and again'...... The police called to a Canadian radio station? Apparently, on an occasion that the piece was being played on Winnipeg radio, at least one member of the public assumed that there was a hostage situation at the station, with the music being played as a distress call. Cue police raid...  ;D

I'm surprised too - except that this is his quickly sketched-out harmonic skeleton, and I don't think he was that bothered by rhythmic accuracy. But no, it doesn't match up well at all. This is an early score, too, when he was still more a jazz player and a 'conceptual' composer than the more 'traditional' figure he is now - presumably his attitude to notation at this point was not the same as a 'classical' composer's, being freer and more 'expressive' than precise. Certainly his scores since then are perfectly correctly written, as far as I've seen them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 08:37:50 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 08:36:56 AM
Yes! Which is why I've been on about 'repetition' and 'failing' 'again and again'...... The police called to a Canadian radio station? Apparently, on an occasion that the piece was being played on Winnipeg radio, at least one member of the public assumed that there was a hostage situation at the station, with the music being played as a distress call. Cue police raid...  ;D

Lol!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 22, 2008, 08:31:27 AM
Me neither.

You and Karl ought to hear it, then, at least once. It's a love-it-or-hate-it piece, mind you....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 22, 2008, 08:47:27 AM
Oh, without fail, Luke  ;)

And . . . YHM
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 08:48:17 AM
http://www.last.fm/music/Gavin+Bryars/_/Jesus%27+Blood+Never+Failed+Me+Yet?autostart

Hear it for free. I'm going to make a private prediction that one of you will love it, and one will hate it. >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 08:49:33 AM
No bet. I'd make the same prediction!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 22, 2008, 09:15:18 AM
I haven't heard it (or even heard of it), and I hate it already.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 09:16:27 AM
 ;D Always best to be suspicious, you're right!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 09:20:59 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 22, 2008, 09:15:18 AM
I haven't heard it (or even heard of it), and I hate it already.

;D Now, now, I didn't say who would like it and who wouldn't... I'm surprised you haven't heard of it - it must rank as one of the most famous contemporary classical works (though it's now over 35 years old of course!).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 10:22:51 AM
Dammit, I knew that was the wrong door! I come in here once every couple of months (last time was late July) and what do I find? Talk of Nabokov?! Eek! Let me out of here!

(BTW, is 375 perhaps by Nicolas?)

(BTW no. 2, somehow Michel Dansel's idea seems unappealing; for one thing, it's too similar to Fet's poetic efforts from more than a hundred years ago - for some reason, Fet had no eminent followers in that department... ::))

(BTW no. 3, Guido, I'm under the impression your list is a little constraint-centered, not to mention French-centered; how about starting out with more Nabokov, and a bit of Pynchon, Barth or Barthelme instead? I wouldn't want to de-Perec you, but...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 10:29:17 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 10:22:51 AM
(BTW no. 3, Guido, I'm under the impression your list is a little constraint-centered, not to mention French-centered; how about starting out with more Nabokov, and a bit of Pynchon, Barth or Barthelme instead? I wouldn't want to de-Perec you, but...)

They all just sounded so fascinating. In reality I won't really be able to to focus on reading anything seriously than until next summer - but I would love to hear your recommendations.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 10:37:01 AM
If you don't have much time, Barthelme and Borges would be perfect - their short stories are really short. And brilliant!

Nabokov has written some shorter novels. Despair and The Real Life of Sebastian Knight are real jewels, and yet each less than 200 pages long. And Transparent Things is even shorter, though perhaps a bit too dense for a quick, leisurely read...

I forgot to mention in the previous list my favorite post World War II French writer: Alain Robbe-Grillet!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 10:22:51 AM
(BTW, is 375 perhaps by Nicolas?)

Hidden in a BTW, too! Yes, 375 is by Nabokov's brother Nikolai (usually described as his brother - e.g. here (http://website.lineone.net/~dmitrismirnov/Exile.html) - but some websites - here (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:H7_kf_qNAbcJ:www.geocities.com/larisabee/homoerotic_nab.doc+nikolai+nabokov+composer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4), or here (http://belarus-magazine.by/en.php?subaction=showfull&id=1141383757&archive=1146233957&start_from=&ucat=6&do=archives) - seem pretty assured that they were cousins, though.  ??? ??? )

I don't think you need to guess the work - this is from his Piano Sonata
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 12:12:50 PM
Oh, I can assure you 100% they were cousins, not brothers. VN had two brothers, Sergey and Kirill. Sergey (born less than a year after Vladimir) was actually a pretty good musician and loved music very much (he went to all the Diaghilev premieres in Paris), and according to at least some reports, he was generally as brilliant as the writer (and a bit more genial). VN's uncle "Ruka" had some musical talents too. Ruka died when Vladimir was still a boy (bequeathing on his nephew an enormous estate which was soon to be taken over by the Bolsheviks). Sergey perished in Neuengamme.

While in America, Nicolas and Vladimir were often confused - even by the FBI or CIA or some other organization of that sort.

Oh, dear. Did I just enter into lecturing mode? ::)

But tell me one thing, I'm extremely interested: how is that Piano Sonata, generally? Do you have any other Nabokov scores?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 22, 2008, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 12:12:50 PM
. . . Oh, dear. Did I just enter into lecturing mode? ::)

Not a bit of it, mon cher; you were being informative.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 12:47:20 PM
Oops, just noticed that most of the stuff I mentioned is described in one of the articles Luke linked to - which, incidentally, is to a great extent copied and pasted (OK, maybe reworded) from several items which appeared in the British press some years ago (May 2000, to be exact). Well, Lev Grossman (the guy who started the "scandal") is acknowledged parenthetically, but to me that doesn't seem enough - I would expect a proper citation, there's a mass of other people's research incorporated into this lady's text. But, of course, she added a (c) sign at the very bottom. Some people have got nerve! (OK, OK, perhaps I'm overreacting...)

(And the motto of her blog is a quotation from Nabokov too - unattributed, of course ::))

Quote from: karlhenning on September 22, 2008, 12:28:32 PM
Not a bit of it, mon cher; you were being informative.

Thank you, Karl.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 22, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 12:47:20 PM
(And the motto of her blog is a quotation from Nabokov too - unsigned, of course ::))

Forgive me for a prying suggestion . . . but I think you mean unattributed rather than unsigned in this case  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 12:12:50 PM
Oh, I can assure you 100% they were cousins, not brothers. VN had two brothers, Sergey and Kirill. Sergey (born less than a year after Vladimir) was actually a pretty good musician and loved music very much (he went to all the Diaghilev premieres in Paris), and according to at least some reports, he was generally as brilliant as the writer (and a bit more genial). VN's uncle "Ruka" had some musical talents too. Ruka died when Vladimir was still a boy (bequeathing on his nephew an enormous estate which was soon to be taken over by the Bolsheviks). Sergey perished in Neuengamme.

While in America, Nicolas and Vladimir were often confused - even by the FBI or CIA or some other organization of that sort.

Oh, dear. Did I just enter into lecturing mode? ::)

But tell me one thing, I'm extremely interested: how is that Piano Sonata, generally? Do you have any other Nabokov scores?


I only have the score to the Sonata; the page I chose is the 'liveliest' part of the sonata, if that helps. I'll upload the score for you in a minute...wait for PM  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 12:51:53 PM
Actually, why PM - here's the sonata (http://www.mediafire.com/?mnyhvvzmt2z) for anyone interested
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 22, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
Forgive me for a prying suggestion . . . but I think you mean unattributed rather than unsigned in this case  :)

Of course. I'll edit right away. :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 01:04:07 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 22, 2008, 12:51:53 PM
Actually, why PM - here's the sonata (http://www.mediafire.com/?mnyhvvzmt2z) for anyone interested

Thanks so much! I have a CHANDOS disc with two of his pieces. Can't really make up my mind about him. General opinion seems to be extremely low...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2008, 04:13:16 PM
Thanks for the recommendations Maciek. I actually love short stories so that is one I will definitely follow up on. Barthelme's 60 Stories a good place to start? And for Borges is this a good bet? :
http://www.amazon.com/Borges-Collected-Fictions-Jorge-Luis/dp/0140286802/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222128649&sr=1-1

cheers!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
Oh, that Borges volume is a good one - it has both Fictions and Garden of Forking Paths - probably his best collections! As for Barthelme, it probably makes no difference, but I would start with 40 stories. Leafed through it today, and it's absolutely brilliant! (Will have to reread all of it now... ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 12:36:38 AM
Music, Goethe said, is the frozen tapioca in the ice chest of History.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 23, 2008, 02:22:58 AM
QuoteMusic, Goethe said, is the frozen tapioca in the ice chest of History.
Flavourless, odourless, colourless, gluten free, protein free plant extract?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 23, 2008, 03:41:54 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 23, 2008, 02:22:58 AM
Flavourless, odourless, colourless, gluten free, protein free plant extract?

I didn't like the Whiteacre you supplied me with at all, Guido, as you know, but that's the slightest touch harsh, don't you think?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 03:47:30 AM
"Eckermann," said Goethe, "shut up."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 23, 2008, 07:20:29 AM
Lol Maciek! Seriously though, what did Goethe mean there?
Title: More Barthelme Quotes
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 07:54:58 AM
The guards at the Tolstoy Museum carry buckets in which there are stacks of clean white pocket handkerchiefs. More than any other museum, the Tolstoy Museum induces weeping. Even the bare title of a Tolstoy work, with its burden of love, can induce weeping - for example, the article titled "Who Should Teach Whom to Write, We the Peasant Children or the Peasant Children Us?"
Title: Re: More Barthelme Quotes
Post by: karlhenning on September 23, 2008, 07:58:42 AM
Oh, dear.

8)
Title: Barthelme Quotes Galore
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 08:05:51 AM
At the Tolstoy Museum, sadness grasped the 741 Sunday visitors. The Museum was offering a series of lectures on the text "Why Do Men Stupefy Themselves?" The visitors were made sad by these eloquent speakers, who were probably right.
Title: Re: Barthelme Quotes Galore
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 08:06:39 AM
We should start a quotation quiz in the diner! :D
Title: Re: Barthelme Quotes Galore
Post by: karlhenning on September 23, 2008, 08:13:31 AM
Quote. . . a series of lectures on the text "Why Do Men Stupefy Themselves?"

Why, that's a fine way to speak of Pelléas et Mélisande!  :P ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 23, 2008, 10:05:08 AM
Great stuff Maciek - I really want to read them now! A quotes quiz might be too easy due to google...
Title: Help! I just can't stop!
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 10:49:51 AM
When Captain Blood, at sea, discovers that he is pursued by the Dutch Admiral Van Tromp, he considers throwing the women overboard. So that they will drift, like so many giant lotuses in their green, lavender, purple, and blue gowns, across Van Tromp's path, and he will have to stop and pick them up. Blood will have the women fitted with life jackets under their dresses. They will hardly be in much danger at all. But what about the jaws of sea turtles? No, the women cannot be thrown overboard. Vile, vile! What could he have been thinking of? Of the patterns they would have made floating on the surface of the water, in the moonlight, a cerise gown, a silver gown...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 10:51:12 AM
(Luckily, I have no Borges in English translation - this could go on for too long. What am I saying? It has been going for too long!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 23, 2008, 11:59:06 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 10:51:12 AM
(Luckily, I have no Borges in English translation - this could go on for too long. What am I saying? It has been going for too long!)

Not as far as Morton Feldman is concerned.
Title: The last Barthelme quote. For now.
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 12:30:48 PM
In Copenhagen I went shopping with two Hungarians. I had thought they merely wanted to buy presents for their wives. They bought leather gloves, chess sets, frozen fish, baby food, lawnmowers, air conditioners, kayaks... We were six hours in the department store.

"This will teach you," they said, "never to go shopping with Hungarians."
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 23, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
That will have to do for now. I need to catch up with my work. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2008, 06:32:17 AM
This thread is taken. Anyone wanting to seriously discuss music, scores, notation and such please go to www.serious-music-discussions.org (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9165.0.html) or www.discuss-classical-seriously.net (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,72.0.html).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 24, 2008, 06:36:26 AM
Ack!

Sorry, Luke, Guido!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2008, 06:45:05 AM
I'll allow a short Morton Feldman discussion now and then, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: kaarrrllll on September 24, 2008, 06:36:26 AM
Ack!

kaarrrllll...? sounds like a character straight out of a donald barthelme novel.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2008, 12:18:00 PM
and of course ack! sounds like a quote therefrom
Title: The Donald Barthelme Thread
Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2008, 12:55:19 PM
The government has decided to award kaarrrllll a few new medals - medals he has not been previously awarded. One medal is awarded for his work prior to 1956, one for his work from 1956 to the present, and one for his future work.
Title: Re: The Donald Barthelme Thread
Post by: karlhenning on September 24, 2008, 01:00:24 PM
All my work prior to October 1960 was delegated prenatally to my parents, of course;  but I would have given them strict instructions, which they followed with most prescient care and thoroughness.
Title: Donald Barthelme lookalike contest
Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2008, 03:45:24 PM
The government was saddened to learn that kaarrrllll declined (?) one of the medals. (Anecdote.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2008, 04:05:29 PM
I know you're sulking somewhere in the corner, Luke.

Here's something from Mr Obscure (you'll have to assign a number, I've lost count):
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 24, 2008, 04:24:50 PM
From La primavera, isn't it?

(I mean, I know it's Il prete rosso, I just can't keep the four concerti disinct . . . it's like, I know how to spell banana, I just don't know when to stop.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 24, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
And thank you, thank you, Maciek, for an easy guess!

Now that my dear Maria has trained me to use the scanner at home, I may be able to play . . . if I can scare up some time this weekend.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 24, 2008, 04:44:59 PM
"You put the paper on the scanner, dear, and you hit the big button that says "Scan."
...
You got it, now?
...
You're such a good boy, Karl! Now scan these library books for me and i'll go get you a biscuit!"  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 25, 2008, 02:49:52 AM
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on September 24, 2008, 04:44:59 PM
You got it, now?

What was that part in the middle again?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 25, 2008, 04:00:35 AM
Well done, Karl!

I see Luke is still pretending he doesn't love me.

Let's try another one. I've always felt this little bit was a rip off from Chopin's Piano Concerto. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 25, 2008, 04:03:35 AM
Looks a lot like L'apprenti sorcier, no?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 25, 2008, 04:04:27 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 25, 2008, 04:00:35 AM
I see Luke is still pretending he doesn't love me.

Not a bit of it; I am sure that Luke's affection for you remains ever undimnished!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 25, 2008, 04:12:42 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 25, 2008, 04:03:35 AM
Looks a lot like L'apprenti sorcier, no?

Perfect.

But too quick. $:) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 25, 2008, 04:15:24 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 25, 2008, 04:12:42 AM
Perfect.

But too quick. $:) ;D ;D ;D

Well, it wasn't immediate.  I was paying attention to (and 'parsing') the quaver patterns first, and the Dukas was maybe the third composer or work I considered;  but then when I did think Dukas, I lookled at the brass, and confirmation was instant.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 25, 2008, 05:17:36 AM
'Lookled?'

Those were too easy, Maciek (what a shame they were snaffled before I saw them!). However, they weren't Polish, so technically you weren't allowed to set them.

FWIW I'd already set an almost-empty page of the Dukas before (my no 337 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204461.html#msg204461)). Compare and contrast....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 25, 2008, 07:05:48 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 25, 2008, 05:17:36 AM
'Lookled?'

A misspelling of "Lukelled", obviously.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 25, 2008, 07:07:50 AM
Ach! I am in disagracle!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 25, 2008, 08:15:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 25, 2008, 05:17:36 AM
FWIW I'd already set an almost-empty page of the Dukas before (my no 337 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg204461.html#msg204461)). Compare and contrast....

What's even worse is I just realized that that isn't even the page I meant to post. The damn thing is just too big, and I got lost scrolling the pdf up and down. This certainly is a day of disgracle.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 29, 2008, 06:55:47 AM
Hi Maciek - I just read through all the short stories in Borges' Fictions - I am absolutely enthralled - every one evokes a universe all of its own, a window into an alternate beautiful reality.

I can't wait until the Barthelme arrives!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on September 29, 2008, 06:59:31 AM
Borges-influenced music (http://www.themodernword.com/borges/borges_music.html)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 29, 2008, 07:13:25 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on September 29, 2008, 06:59:31 AM
Borges-influenced music (http://www.themodernword.com/borges/borges_music.html)

Cheers Luke! You heard any of these? (Or read any Borges?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2008, 07:37:16 AM
Guido, I'm very glad to hear this. But then, I knew you had excellent taste already. ;D

I've heard at least one Piazzolla-Borges piece, but I don't think any of the others. I'm sure Luke has the score of at least half of them. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 29, 2008, 10:50:23 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 29, 2008, 07:37:16 AM
Guido, I'm very glad to hear this. But then, I knew you had excellent taste already. ;D

;D

I have just ordered a Chekhov anthology and Joyce's The Dubliners too. Short stories are addictive!

The only ones I'd read before and loved were Dave Egger's Short short stories - truly tiny stories rarely more than a page long - but each one a fascinating or beautiful idea. The book is sadly out of print but available on Amazon. Additionally - he wrote one every week for the Guardian Newspaper for a few years - there are some real gems here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/series/shortshortstories

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2008, 11:40:31 AM
Thanks for the link! :D I don't think I've read anything by Dave Egger before - I'll be happy to give him a try.

On another note: I'm going to the National Library this week (maybe even tomorrow). Hopefully, this means the end of your wait. :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 11:43:08 AM
Maciek, I wound up preoccupied with working with Sibelius (the software, not the composer) this weekend.  But I will try to do some scanning later this week.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2008, 12:33:34 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 29, 2008, 12:53:04 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 29, 2008, 10:50:23 AM
;D

I have just ordered a Chekhov anthology and Joyce's The Dubliners too. Short stories are addictive!

I re-read Joyce's Dubliners last year and was as impressed as I was depressed. Great stories about an Ireland that was (afaik).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 01:26:02 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 29, 2008, 12:33:34 PM
Excellent!

Of course, Luke will scarf them all up instantly!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 29, 2008, 01:49:37 PM
Great. Tell me what you think Maciek - as i say they are all really very short in deed. I actually punctuated his name wrongly - his name is Dave Eggers so i should have written "Eggers' stories" rather than "Egger's stories".

If you see this anthology reasonably priced, buy it - it's a tiny book but full of treasures (and the stories aren't found on the Guardian site)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PSuq4%2BjCL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

It's something like a fiver used and new on the UK amazon site at the moment, which is a lot considering it was £1.99 when it was still in print.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2008, 02:00:21 PM
Ha ha! I just discovered I have some Eggers in my amazon wishlist - completely forgot about it. ;D


Speaking of Ireland in literature, is anyone else a fan of McCourt's Angela's Ashes? One of the best books written in English in the 90s, IMHO. 'Tis, however, is an entirely different story (unfortunately)...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2008, 02:01:24 PM
Quote from: Guido on September 29, 2008, 01:49:37 PM
It's something like a fiver used and new on the UK amazon site at the moment, which is a lot considering it was £1.99 when it was still in print.

Could you give me a link, please? I can't seem to find it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 29, 2008, 03:30:45 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Short-Stories-Pocket-Penguins/dp/0141023082/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222731027&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 30, 2008, 03:59:55 AM
I just got the Barthelme 40 stories in the post today - The intrduction is by Dave Eggers. Coincimental!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 30, 2008, 04:34:10 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2008, 04:46:36 AM
ahem...

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)
375 - N. Nabokov - Piano Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg228862.html#msg228862)

Set by Guido
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)

Set by Maciek
91 - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230606.html#msg230606)
92 - Dukas - L'apprenti sorcier - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230710.html#msg230710)

Might put some more up soon....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 04, 2008, 05:55:59 AM
Here's two for starters....

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 04, 2008, 06:07:03 AM
376 is the harp interlude from Britten's Ceremony of Carols.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on October 06, 2008, 08:02:29 AM
377 contains many parallel fifths!  :o
But I don't know it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2008, 08:19:18 AM
It's a very tricky one, I grant you! I might give some clues soon, but I quite want to put some more up first...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 06, 2008, 08:51:49 AM
The text is obviously from one of your favorite postmodern writers.

NOT Nabokov, but other than that I have no idea who...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2008, 08:54:45 AM
Good, good. This is actually from a novel, and the writer was in earlier years a musician - the music is, as Rappy points out, rather coarse, but that is deliberate. (There are a couple of other musical excerpts like this in the book). Think ovine....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 06, 2008, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2008, 08:54:45 AM
Think ovine....

"Sheep may safely graze"?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2008, 10:22:09 AM
Beg your pardon - caprine. My mistake.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 06, 2008, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2008, 10:22:09 AM
Beg your pardon - caprine. My mistake.  :-[

Edward Albee wrote a play called "Goat." It was about a man in love with a goat. Really.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 06, 2008, 11:44:34 AM
I had NO IDEA John Barth had anything to do with music! (Or perhaps I knew once, but had completely forgotten... 0:))

John Barth - Giles Goat-Boy
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 06, 2008, 11:48:28 AM
Indeed! Read it? It's quite an experience!

Oh yes, Sfz was correct with the Britten too, obviously....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 06, 2008, 11:53:33 AM
I've read a bit of Barth (and about Barth - hence my surprise), but not that.

Oh, and Guido - you have got to read Lost in the Funhouse! A real short story cycle - in the sense that the it's not a gathering of random texts, but a sort of "novel in the form of short story collection".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 07, 2008, 04:09:53 AM
Sentimental reasons, probably, but I'm partial more to The Sot-Weed Factor.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2008, 11:14:58 PM
LO 378

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on October 11, 2008, 07:38:53 AM
Just thought I'd nudge a little YHM reminder in here for you, Luke. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2008, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 10, 2008, 11:14:58 PM
LO 378



The hand looks almost familiar... ???

Certainly a composer with dyslexia.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 11, 2008, 01:31:22 PM
Why do you say that?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2008, 11:55:31 AM
Just discovered this one...

LO 379
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 12, 2008, 12:11:18 PM
LO 379 Copland? Copland was with Paul Bowles in Tangiers in those years. Or is it Paul Bowles?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2008, 01:11:47 PM
I knew leaving the place/date in was too generous.....  :o :o One of those is correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 12, 2008, 01:34:30 PM
Copland was in Morocco from September to November 1931 (according to Neil Butterworth's 'The music of Aaron Copland' (Toccata Press, 1985).

I think it's a piano piece by Bowles, who was a pupil of Copland's.

Tamanar!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 12, 2008, 03:29:52 PM
Even though I did leave in a massive clue, that's still ever so slightly too good, Johan, I must say.

Did you find the website from which I got this (http://www.paulbowles.org/)? Wonderful stuff....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 12, 2008, 03:31:48 PM
Yes, that's where I found the title in the end...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 13, 2008, 02:59:46 AM
a little blague.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2008, 04:42:10 AM
I don't know, but it's definitely quite a minor piece. Boom boom.  ;D :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 13, 2008, 04:49:19 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2008, 04:42:10 AM
I don't know, but it's definitely quite a minor piece. Boom boom.  ;D :-[

Someone had to do it...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2008, 04:52:01 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 13, 2008, 04:49:19 AM
Someone had to do it...  ;)

Exactly. This thread would have lost all credibility if that gag hadn't been made.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2008, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 11, 2008, 01:31:22 PM
Why do you say that?

Er... because of the problems with spelling?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2008, 11:47:38 AM
There are other ways to explain that, though. Whatever, this composer wasn't dyslexic AFAIK.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2008, 11:49:35 AM
Guido, yours apparently contains a free translation of the German phrase "Muss es sein?"...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2008, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2008, 11:47:38 AM
There are other ways to explain that, though. Whatever, this composer wasn't dyslexic AFAIK.

Well, I was being only half-serious (and half-mean >:D).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2008, 11:52:08 AM
The more obvious explanation for spelling mistakes is the correct one in this case.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 13, 2008, 11:59:50 AM
But here, have another one...

LO 380

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 13, 2008, 03:52:57 PM
Maciek, where do you get that idea from? Muss es sein, literally means 'must it be'.

Mine is very unfair as it is unpublished and quite obviously not really a piece. I'll give you title of it, so you just need to find the composer. Should be pretty easy.

It's called: Election memo.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 14, 2008, 04:56:40 AM
378 looks like the 2nd violin part to some 19th century opera. (which, of course doesn't come anywhere close to identifying it, but I figured I'd drop in and say "howdy")
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 14, 2008, 04:58:10 AM
Always glad of a visit, Mark.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 14, 2008, 05:50:44 AM
Not 19th century, though only a year or two off. And not opera either, though the composer was also an opera composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 14, 2008, 05:52:07 AM
It's a bit of a mean one, this, I admit - there's no easy way to guess this one, though I'd advise you at least to think about what I said to Maciek a few posts ago: the more obvious explanation for spelling mistakes is the correct one in this case.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 14, 2008, 05:53:09 AM
And perhaps think about the sort of thing that's been going on on my own thread recently...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 13, 2008, 03:52:57 PM
Maciek, where do you get that idea from? Muss es sein, literally means 'must it be'.

So? ;D

Is 378 by an English composer?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 12:30:28 AM
No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 12:32:55 AM
German?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 12:33:11 AM
(I can do this all day. ;))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 12:39:37 AM
I'm impressed with your knowledge of countries so far. England and Germany!  :o

But the reason for the spelling mistakes isn't

1) dyslexia

2) country of origin

or

3) lack of a spellchecker (well, maybe it is in this case)

it's

4) age of composer when piece was written (11 in this case IIRC)

Not that this helps very much, I know  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 12:41:01 AM
Strange, I don't remember composing that when I was 11...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 12:41:34 AM
He's not Polish either...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 12:47:46 AM
Damn, I must be having another senior moment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 12:53:11 AM
Is it Schubert?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:07:22 AM
No. A later composer. This is his earliest suriving work, IIRC.

Between Poland and Vienna you're homing in on the right geographical area, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 01:11:31 AM
Early Martinu??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 01:12:32 AM
And: oops! I seem to have filled up your inbox with messages about you-know-what. :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:14:31 AM
Try now

And yes, it's Martinu! Good work - what led you to that conclusion?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 01:17:25 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:07:22 AM
No. A later composer. This is his earliest suriving work, IIRC.

Between Poland and Vienna you're homing in on the right geographical area, though.

Blast! When you said the composer wasn't 19th-century by only 3 years I thought he was born in 1797...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 01:18:27 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:14:31 AM
Try now

Will presently.

Quote
And yes, it's Martinu! Good work - what led you to that conclusion?

Your clues.

No, seriously. Between Poland and Austria (+ you are the one who posted this ;D) AND early years of the 20th century (or last years of 18th, but somehow I felt that was less probable) AND about 11 years old.

= Czech composer born around 1890.

Is it the violin part from his string quartet titled Tři Jezdci, Three Riders/Three Horsemen?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:29:15 AM
Certainly is. Very good detective work!

I have a pile more at home waiting to be scanned in and posted here. Watch this space....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:29:38 AM
Page 200!  :o :o 8) 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 01:38:56 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:29:15 AM
Certainly is. Very good detective work!

I have a pile more at home waiting to be scanned in and posted here. Watch this space....

Yes, well done, Maciek!

I'll watch...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 01:39:14 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:29:15 AM
Certainly is. Very good detective work!

I feel fullfilled.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:36:57 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 01:12:32 AM
And: oops! I seem to have filled up your inbox with messages about you-know-what. :-[

Now you've piqued my interest!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 15, 2008, 03:07:27 AM
 :-X >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:32:26 PM
Here are some more, then. Some Most are pretty hard, though one is very easy. And there's the scent of red herring about....

LO 381

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:33:14 PM
LO 382, 383
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:33:52 PM
LO 384
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:34:49 PM
LO 385, 386
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:35:45 PM
LO 387
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:36:27 PM
LO 388
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:37:28 PM
LO 389, 390, 391
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 01:38:11 PM
LO 392
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:09:07 PM
Don't think I know any of them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:10:19 PM
I think you'll know one of them when a CD you've had your eye one arrives in the post (if it's the CD I think it is).

I forgot one, BTW. It's just scanning....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:13:31 PM
Here we are:

LO 393. It's by a composer I feel quite an affinity with, and this piece, as you can see, share's Ascent's focus on the pitch G.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:10:19 PM
I think you'll know one of them when a CD you've had your eye one arrives in the post (if it's the CD I think it is).

I forgot one, BTW. It's just scanning....

But there are so many! Sibelius I'm guessing, which just arrived today.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:18:06 PM
What's that CD got on it, I can't remember?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:18:51 PM
Are these scores that influenced your new piece? The last one is very very very similar to your ending!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:20:16 PM
Finlandia, Karelia, Luonnotar, Tapiola, En saga, Night ride and Sunrise, Pohjola's Daughter, Four Legends from the Kalevala.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:18:51 PM
Are these scores that influenced your new piece? The last one is very very very similar to your ending!

Which is Bhakti by Jonathan Harvey?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
LO 382 Guess: Enescu?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: GuidoAre these scores that influenced your new piece? The last one is very very very similar to your ending!


No, they're just things I grabbed off the shelf. But yes, as I said, the last one does have strong similarities with the end of Ascent (and the whole piece and indeed much of this composer's work has similar concerns to Ascent's, too), although it hasn't consciously been in my mind recently. My choice of the note G as the central note in Ascent was actually, believe it or not, probably partly connected with the fact that I knew Beethoven's PC 4 was also in the concert!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:25:07 PM
QuoteO 382 Guess: Enescu?
Ah yes, you could be talking about one of the four enescu CDs I ordered too! Haven't got any of them either.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:26:52 PM
You guys are good!

Yes - 393 is Harvey's Bhakti

Yes - 382 is Enescu

and, Guido, one of those Sibelius pieces is one of the samples too.... (I think the CD whose pieces you list is indeed the one I'm thinking of, which I have too - hope you enjoy it!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:26:52 PM
You guys are good!

Yes - 393 is Harvey's Bhakti

Yes - 382 is Enescu

and, Guido, one of those Sibelius pieces is one of the samples too.... (I think the CD whose pieces you list is indeed the one I'm thinking of, which I have too - hope you enjoy it!)

Enescu's Third?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:29:50 PM
No - one off!

;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:24:53 PM

No, they're just things I grabbed off the shelf. But yes, as I said, the last one does have strong similarities with the end of Ascent (and the whole piece and indeed much of this composer's work has similar concerns to Ascent's, too), although it hasn't consciously been in my mind recently. My choice of the note G as the central note in Ascent was actually, believe it or not, probably partly connected with the fact that I knew Beethoven's PC 4 was also in the concert!

Are there any sneaky reference to the piece in the piano part?! I think it's still my favourite of the Beethoven piano concertos (the end of that slow movement never fails to get me).

Am looking forward to getting stuck into the Sibelius CD - have listened to the lovely Luonnotar twice already. Hopefully I'll listen to them well enough that I'll be able to recognise them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 02:31:09 PM
So - the Second, then... (still have to listen to it)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Are there any sneaky reference to the piece in the piano part?! I think it's still my favourite of the Beethoven piano concertos (the end of that slow movement never fails to get me).

No, no references at all. I don't even remember clearly what drew me to G as 'the' note. More than one factor, I think. I've had the feeling more and more recently that G is 'my' key, like Janacek's D flat etc. I compose too many pieces in and around G for it to be wholly coincidental. There was also the idea of the final page, everyone on the same note, and G, at the pitch it's played there, is quite a good pitch for this. But I do have a vague feeling that the 'aura; of the Beethoven PC 4, in its lyrical G major (it's my favourite of the bunch too, FWIW) was hanging around when Ascent was in its formative pages...

I found out today that Beethoven's 5th (symph) is the other work in the concert. A strange set-up, at first glance, but I'm very happy with it, because whilst there are tonal and lyrical links between the concerto and my piece, there are also links with the symphony - dark-to-light where Ascent goes low-to-high. There are even, fortuitously, tiny references to the B5 'fate' motive in Elegy.

Maybe this should be at the newly-contentious and freshly-flamed Outpost, not here...  ???

Quote from: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Am looking forward to getting stuck into the Sibelius CD - have listened to the lovely Luonnotar twice already. Hopefully I'll listen to them well enough that I'll be able to recognise them!

Have a quick listen to the most warhorsey of them..... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 02:39:16 PM
LO 391 Strauss, Rosenkavalier
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 15, 2008, 02:31:09 PM
So - the Second, then... (still have to listen to it)

Bingo.. Quite a piece - but the 3rd's even more striking, I think. A phenomenal work.

Bingo also on Rosenkavalier.  :) :) Didn't throw you with the Italian text, I see  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:41:18 PM
I believe one of the others is getable too...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 15, 2008, 02:41:54 PM
384 sure looks like Stravinsky's Movements, though I have to run to the other room to verify.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:43:22 PM
Don't run, don't even amble or saunter. You're correct.

The easy one remains!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 15, 2008, 02:45:48 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:43:22 PM
Don't run, don't even amble or saunter. You're correct.

The easy one remains!

Would you let us know which is the easy one? Has Sibelius's Finlandia been identified?
391 that is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:47:04 PM
No, but eventually you spotted it.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
We're left with some rather harder ones, apart from the one I gave you a partial clue to a few posts ago.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 02:48:19 PM
Luke, 381 - it isn't by any chance... Brian? It looks like it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:49:55 PM
It does, doesn't it? But it's not. But in some respects (geographical and in lexicological(?) ordering) you are very close indeed.

Have a good look at the counter melody in that one. It may be of some help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on October 15, 2008, 02:45:48 PM
Would you let us know which is the easy one? Has Sibelius's Finlandia been identified?
391 that is.

Oops, Should have got that - the first thing I ever played in an orchestra!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on October 15, 2008, 02:45:48 PM
Would you let us know which is the easy one? Has Sibelius's Finlandia been identified?
391 that is.

You didn't mean 391, I suppose....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:49:55 PM
It does, doesn't it? But it's not. But in some respects (geographical and in lexicological(?) ordering) you are very close indeed.

Have a good look at the counter melody in that one. It may be of some help.

I seem to recognise it... Is it Walton?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 03:00:23 PM
No. Remember the 'lexicological' bit - I simply mean that this composer would be very close to Brian in the dictionary.

I'm very generous with the clues tonight, I think!

And the countermelody?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 15, 2008, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 02:52:20 PM
You didn't mean 391, I suppose....

The Finnish tenor in the Marschallin's boudoir . . .

385
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 03:00:23 PM
No. Remember the 'lexicological' bit - I simply mean that this composer would be very close to Brian in the dictionary.

I'm very generous with the clues tonight, I think!

And the countermelody?

A chorale of sorts. Rhythmically the piece sounds familiar...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 03:28:26 PM
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)
375 - N. Nabokov - Piano Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg228862.html#msg228862)
376 - Britten - A Ceremony of Carols - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
377 - Barth - from Giles Goat-Boy - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
378 - Martinu - The Three Horsemen - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236310.html#msg236310)
379 - Bowles - Tamanar - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236786.html#msg236786)
380 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237119.html#msg237119)
381 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237787.html#msg237787)
382 - Enescu - Symphony no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
383 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
384 - Stravinsky - Movements - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237789.html#msg237789)
385 - Sibelius - Finlandia - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
386 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
387 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237792.html#msg237792)
388 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237793.html#msg237793)
389 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
390 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
391 - Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
392 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237795.html#msg237795)
393 - Harvey - Bhakti - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237806.html#msg237806)

Set by Guido
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236955.html#msg236955)

Set by Maciek
91 - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230606.html#msg230606)
92 - Dukas - L'apprenti sorcier - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230710.html#msg230710)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 15, 2008, 03:21:50 PM
A chorale of sorts. Rhythmically the piece sounds familiar...

Looks like a chorale, and I suppose it could be. But it's a popular, secular tune.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 03:55:55 PM
If you can identify the composer - which ought to be possible from my clue - and the counter melody, then you will certainly be able to get the piece. I've just checked by plugging the requisite keywords into Google!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 15, 2008, 03:55:55 PM
If you can identify the composer - which ought to be possible from my clue - and the counter melody, then you will certainly be able to get the piece. I've just checked by plugging the requisite keywords into Google!

This is a case of something familiar that's just eluding you. I'll try again tomorrow. It's late now.

Goodnight!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 15, 2008, 04:06:57 PM
Presumably the composer is Britten or Bridge... (or Boughton  ;) - the first name I can think of backwards alphabetically!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 15, 2008, 11:59:09 PM
Britten, The Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 12:32:26 AM
No, though I can see why you'd think that. The counter melody is an even more famous tune, which you've probably known a long time though you've forgotten it for now.

By the way, it is by one of the composers Guido guessed at last night, but not the one you've just guessed at. So that limits it to two...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 12:33:50 AM
Also BTW, the countermelody - which is in the glockenspiel, for instance - is in media res on the page I presented. It starts a page or so before.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 16, 2008, 01:07:48 AM
Well, there is a link between Danny Boy (aka Londonderry Air) and Frank Bridge... But he uses it in a string quartet.

This is frustrating! Come on, Guido, help me!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 02:45:28 AM
You're getting closer to the type of tune quoted here, but it isn't Danny Boy (and it isn't Irish). I'd advise you to identify the tune first.

And yes, the composer is Bridge.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:07:17 AM
Some more, to take me to 400  ::) Quite a few here are parts-of-pages, highlighting interesting or famous parts. Some famous ones in here, and at least one composer represented twice.

LO 394, 395, 396, 397

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:08:12 AM
LO 398, 399, 400

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:12:56 AM
400 is from Stravinsky's Excentrique from the Quatre Etudes, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:13:57 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:12:56 AM
400 is from Stravinsky's Excentrique from the Quatre Etudes, isn't it?

Very close indeed but no.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:15:47 AM
In its original quartet scoring, from the Three Pieces, I should have said.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:18:25 AM
Now we're there! Bonus point - who is this piece imitating?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 16, 2008, 08:19:13 AM
Is 399 from IS's Huxley Variations?

(Away from home without access to scores.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:21:22 AM
A hit, I think, Sforz.

Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:18:25 AM
No we're there! Bonus point - who is this piece imitating?

No cocoanut for me, I'm afraid . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:22:11 AM
399 certainly isn't Stravinsky, no!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:22:51 AM
Quote
A hit, I think, Sforz.

No, my bad, too.  Activity much too dense for that score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:26:21 AM
The whole piece movement looks like that - I could have taken any page of the score, really.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:29:00 AM
Boulez, Livre pour cordes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:30:16 AM
No. Fairly close, though, in a way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2008, 08:30:27 AM
395 Walton's Viola concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:31:52 AM
Naturally  ;) The pivotal moments of what is the finest Walton concerto, I'm sure you agree  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:32:03 AM
I just like the idea of posting 397.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:34:04 AM
That one is infamous....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:35:35 AM
398, Ionisation?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
Yes!

Being a bit sneaky by posting the pitched part of a piece famous for being for unpitched percussion. But the 'birth of pitch' in the appearance of piano (and glock and bells) in the last bars is also quite a staple of liner-notes etc., so it wasn't that sneaky.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2008, 08:46:46 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:31:52 AM
Naturally  ;) The pivotal moments of what is the finest Walton concerto, I'm sure you agree  ;) ;) ;)

Where is it in the piece? I only recognised it from the viola line. And of course I think it is the best Walton concerto. The best one, right after the cello concerto. Maybe the Sinfonia Concertante too.  >:D ;D My opinion of the viola concerto has elevated dramatically in the past few months and I acknowledge it as the masterpiece that it is, but I still don't find it any where near as memorable or individual as the cello concerto, which could not have been written by another soul. I do agree that the viola concerto is better than the violin concerto, though I still love the latter (and the violin sonata is a true gem too... I've heard that it has been orchestrated(?)).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 16, 2008, 08:46:46 AM
. . . And of course I think it is the best Walton concerto. The best one, right after the cello concerto. . . .

That was unexpected  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:53:33 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 16, 2008, 08:46:46 AM
Where is it in the piece?

Very near the end - where the last huge climax of the finale breaks naturally onto the oscillating-thirds motive from the first movement, and that in turn leads to a coda in which the soloist returns to the opening theme of the concerto, over an ostinato that is really the main theme of the finale. This wonderful thematic fluidity - everything leads to everything else, because everything is deeply related in a subcutaneous sense - is part of the reason that this concerto is so highly inspired and potent: everything seems urgent, compelling, unforced yet totally necessary and right. And though I too love the other two concerti (I think the violin one has the most spectacular colouring and burning sweet lyricism; it also shares something of the viola concerto's thematic integration) for me neither of them have this urgency that makes this one of the very finest of viola concertos.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2008, 09:07:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:53:33 AM
Very near the end - where the last huge climax of the finale breaks naturally onto the oscillating-thirds motive from the first movement, and that in turn leads to a coda in which the soloist returns to the opening theme of the concerto, over an ostinato that is really the main theme of the finale. This wonderful thematic fluidity - everything leads to everything else, because everything is deeply related in a subcutaneous sense - is part of the reason that this concerto is so highly inspired and potent: everything seems urgent, compelling, unforced yet totally necessary and right. And though I too love the other two concerti (I think the violin one has the most spectacular colouring and burning sweet lyricism; it also shares something of the viola concerto's thematic integration) for me neither of them have this urgency that makes this one of the very finest of viola concertos.

It's also one of the only viola concertos! I agree though, it is a special work.

Karl - this stems from a disagreement me and Luke had years ago now about which was Walton's best concerto. I felt I had to put Luke's unconsidered, ungrounded and outrageous claims about the relative values of these works to shame, and educate him with respect to this music - it was obvious to me that his ears weren't working. But what can you expect - Luke is so busy proclaiming himself a genius all the time that he rarely has the time, let alone the interest to form anything close to an informed, considered and measured opinion about any music ever. His posts on this forum safely allow me to rest my case.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 16, 2008, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 16, 2008, 09:07:18 AM
But what can you expect - Luke is so busy proclaiming himself a genius all the time that he rarely has the time, let alone the interest to form anything close to an informed, considered and measured opinion about any music ever.

At last - the unvarnished truth.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:07:40 AM
Reminds me of an e-mail I meant to send Luke earlier today . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 08:18:25 AM
Now we're there! Bonus point - who is this piece imitating?

Not the Berceuse héroïque?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:29:40 AM
Or did you mean simply Little Tich?  As you can see here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238147.html#msg238147), I mistook your who.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 10:39:35 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:29:40 AM
Or did you mean simply Little Tich?  As you can see here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238147.html#msg238147), I mistook your who.

Yes, I simply meant Little Tich. 'Who' is one of those tricky words, isn't it?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:07:40 AM
Reminds me of an e-mail I meant to send Luke earlier today . . . .

What did I miss?  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 10:41:59 AM
[Having checked email] Now I see! Apparently, I could ask you the same question...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:47:06 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 16, 2008, 10:50:43 AM
I don't know what you for sure what is going on here, but I'm pretty sure that at least three times today Karl has PMed Luke telling him what a genius he is, and Luke has reciprocated of course by telling Karl that the only composer worthy of his company in 'the hall of greats' is Karl - This is a fact. There's no proof, but it's a fact.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 10:39:35 AM
Yes, I simply meant Little Tich. 'Who' is one of those tricky words, isn't it?  ;D ;)

I'm actually pleased that I was dense enough to miss the obvious there . . . out of the blue I heard the do-sol-do descent in the trumpet in the Berceuse héroïque, and the weird thought hit me, Stravinsky wasn't ribbing his older colleague, was he?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 16, 2008, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 16, 2008, 10:50:43 AM
I don't know what you for sure what is going on here, but I'm pretty sure that at least three times today Karl has PMed Luke telling him what a genius he is, and Luke has reciprocated of course by telling Karl that the only composer worthy of his company in 'the hall of greats' is Karl - This is a fact. There's no proof, but it's a fact.

We've got our story, of course.  We've been having a low-grade argument over which sort of cheese ought to bait the Mousetrap . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 16, 2008, 11:06:54 AM
This is rapidly turning into Quiz: Mystery mails...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 02:20:33 PM
Luke, would it be too much if I asked for an updated list? I have trouble with the internet and can't go through the thread the usual, slow way... 0:)

(No, really. It's a limited access day, so to speak, and it looks like the next few will be as well. ::) :-\)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 02:24:35 PM
Sure. Apart from the seven I posted earlier, of which some have been identified, there's a complete list a page or two back. But I'll bring it up to date now...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 02:28:44 PM
I think this is correct....

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)
375 - N. Nabokov - Piano Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg228862.html#msg228862)
376 - Britten - A Ceremony of Carols - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
377 - Barth - from Giles Goat-Boy - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
378 - Martinu - The Three Horsemen - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236310.html#msg236310)
379 - Bowles - Tamanar - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236786.html#msg236786)
380 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237119.html#msg237119)
381 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237787.html#msg237787)
382 - Enescu - Symphony no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
383 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
384 - Stravinsky - Movements - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237789.html#msg237789)
385 - Sibelius - Finlandia - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
386 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
387 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237792.html#msg237792)
388 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237793.html#msg237793)
389 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
390 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
391 - Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
392 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237795.html#msg237795)
393 - Harvey - Bhakti - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237806.html#msg237806)
394 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
395 - Walton - Viola Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
396 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
397 - Liszt - Piano Concerto 1 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
398 - Varese - Ionisation - (Karl)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
399 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
400 - Stravinsky - Three Pieces for string quartet - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)

Set by Guido
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236955.html#msg236955)

Set by Maciek
91 - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230606.html#msg230606)
92 - Dukas - L'apprenti sorcier - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230710.html#msg230710)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:09:06 PM
396 - a Czech composer??

397 - Tchaikovsky?

;D ;D ;D

Some of the ones after 380 seem very "classical", but they are barely legible. The handwriting of one reminds me of Beethoven. ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:13:13 PM
Oh dear, where are my manners. :-[ :-[ :-[

First of all: thank you. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 16, 2008, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:09:06 PM
Some of the ones after 380 seem very "classical", but they are barely legible. The handwriting of one reminds me of Beethoven. ???

Yes, 387 reminds me of Beethoven and 386 of Bach...

And now I'm off to bed (quite early, but it's been a busy week already).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:19:46 PM
Ah, yes, those are the two! But I thought 386 might be Beethoven... ;D ::)

Good night!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 16, 2008, 03:16:14 PM
Yes, 387 reminds me of Beethoven and 386 of Bach...

Actually, both are in Bach's handwriting...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 03:24:30 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:09:06 PM
396 - a Czech composer??

397 - Tchaikovsky?

If you swapped those around you'd be closer. Though no Czechs here....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:25:26 PM
No Beethoven? No Tchaikovsky? No Czechs? This is a sad day for me... :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 03:26:10 PM
397 is really, really famous, I promise. Infamous, in fact, the sort of thing it seems to be obligatory to mention in program notes. Otherwise I wouldn't have put it in.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 03:26:45 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:25:26 PM
No Beethoven? No Tchaikovsky? No Czechs? This is a sad day for me... :'(

I didn't rule out Tchaikovsky... (another very famous piece)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:29:13 PM
396 - a Russian composer??

386 - John's Passion??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 03:32:09 PM
Yes, a Russian composer, but you're getting colder again - it's Tchaikovsky.

(you guessed:

396 = Czech
397 = Tchaik

I said, swap them round and you're nearer, the answer being:

396 = Tchaik
397 = geographically closer to Czech)

No, not the Saint John.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:32:57 PM
I must be having an off day...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 03:39:46 PM
397 Liszt PC no. 1?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 03:42:08 PM
AKA the Triangle Concerto (Hanslick)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 05:13:21 PM
Please don't tell me the Tchaikovsky is from a piano solo piece? :o

And Bach no. 386 has me stumped too. I've found places in the Magnificat and B Minor Mass which are not exactly dissimilar, but still very far from a match. I don't think it's St. Matthew's Passion either - I only have a piano reduction, but I think I know it well enough. Is it one of the cantatas? We could have a number-guessing game! :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2008, 08:07:25 PM
399 looks so much like Messiaenish bird calls, I'm going to say it's Reveil des Oiseaux.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on October 16, 2008, 08:07:25 PM
399 looks so much like Messiaenish bird calls, I'm going to say it's Reveil des Oiseaux.

Yes it is. No it isn't. It's the most monomanically bird-filled music - no colour-chords, Greek rhythms, landscape noises, only one instrument group - he ever wrote, except possibly for part of St Francois.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 05:13:21 PM
Please don't tell me the Tchaikovsky is from a piano solo piece? :o

OK, I won't

Quote from: Maciek on October 16, 2008, 05:13:21 PM
And Bach no. 386 has me stumped too. I've found places in the Magnificat and B Minor Mass which are not exactly dissimilar, but still very far from a match. I don't think it's St. Matthew's Passion either - I only have a piano reduction, but I think I know it well enough. Is it one of the cantatas? We could have a number-guessing game! :D

I'd read back what I've said about this piece very carefully, otherwise we could be here some time...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 17, 2008, 12:26:12 AM
The first notes of that counter-melody in the Bridge fragment remind me of Jerusalem...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2008, 05:12:58 AM
Yes, they are the same, aren't they? But don't forget that what you see here is from the middle of the tune, not the opening.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2008, 05:13:38 AM
I'm sure this tune is one you've known a long time, but have forgotten...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 17, 2008, 05:22:47 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2008, 05:13:38 AM
I'm sure this tune is one you've known a long time, but have forgotten...

Of course.  0:) But this attack of amnesia is incurable. I don't know what could precede those bars. Woe is me...  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 17, 2008, 05:58:27 AM
Did I suffer from amnesia? I forget.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 17, 2008, 06:00:43 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 17, 2008, 05:58:27 AM
Did I suffer from amnesia? I forget.

Welcome, fellow sufferer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2008, 06:09:34 AM
So we've established, then, that you have forgotten this old acquaintance. And you're having trouble bringing it to mind. Well, take a etc. etc.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2008, 07:18:58 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 09:42:49 PM
I'd read back what I've said about this piece very carefully, otherwise we could be here some time...

Well, being in here a long time is part of what this thread is all about. ;D (Unfortunately. ::) ;D ;D)

Could it be a piece by another composer copied/arranged by Bach?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 17, 2008, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 17, 2008, 06:09:34 AM
So we've established, then, that you have forgotten this old acquaintance. And you're having trouble bringing it to mind. Well, take a etc. etc.

. . . walk on the wild side?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2008, 07:25:44 AM
Tchaikovsky Piano Trio op. 50
(var. no. 10 - Tempo di mazurka)

Damn you, Luke! ;D

(I'll avenge myself, you know! ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 17, 2008, 07:30:53 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 17, 2008, 07:25:44 AM
Tchaikovsky Piano Trio op. 50
(var. no. 10 - Tempo di mazurka)

Damn you, Luke! ;D

(I'll avenge myself, you know! ;D ;D ;D)

Brilliant (all three points)! ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 17, 2008, 07:47:33 AM
OK - Auld Lang Syne... And now I have to find out which work by Bridge!

Christmas Dance...

My God, that was tough!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 17, 2008, 09:12:32 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 16, 2008, 03:22:26 PM
Actually, both are in Bach's handwriting...

But which Bach?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 17, 2008, 09:13:17 AM
Anna Macarena.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2008, 07:33:16 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 17, 2008, 09:13:17 AM
Anna Macarena.

She the one who wrote the cello suites?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 18, 2008, 07:38:14 AM
The Tchaikovsky is right, the Bridge is right (it's better known as 'Sir Roger de Coverley'). And Maciek+Sforzando's suspicions about the Bach one(s) are on the money...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 18, 2008, 11:51:27 AM
Anna Macarena Bach Variations on my husband's complete cantatas - which are mine and belong to me, Anna Macarena, brackets, Mrs., brackets.

Where?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 19, 2008, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 16, 2008, 09:07:18 AM
It's also one of the only viola concertos! I agree though, it is a special work.

I have just been contacted by a conscientious and concerned GMGer, informing me that there are in fact a myriad of fine viola concertos - I would just like to assure everyone that I was joking here - please never take anything that I say very seriously! I have enjoyed the pieces by Bartok, Holst, Kancheli, Britten, Bloch, Vaughan Williams, Howells and Rozsa (as well as I am sure a fair few others) too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2008, 12:59:52 PM
You forgot to say, though, that they'd all be better down the octave and in bass clef....

A light updating. I have a feeling clues may be wanted soon, so I'll see what I can do.

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)
375 - N. Nabokov - Piano Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg228862.html#msg228862)
376 - Britten - A Ceremony of Carols - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
377 - Barth - from Giles Goat-Boy - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
378 - Martinu - The Three Horsemen - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236310.html#msg236310)
379 - Bowles - Tamanar - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236786.html#msg236786)
380 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237119.html#msg237119)
381 - Bridge - Christmas Dance, Sir Roger de Coverley - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237787.html#msg237787)
382 - Enescu - Symphony no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
383 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
384 - Stravinsky - Movements - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237789.html#msg237789)
385 - Sibelius - Finlandia - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
386 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
387 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237792.html#msg237792)
388 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237793.html#msg237793)
389 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
390 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
391 - Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
392 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237795.html#msg237795)
393 - Harvey - Bhakti - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237806.html#msg237806)
394 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
395 - Walton - Viola Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
396 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Trio - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
397 - Liszt - Piano Concerto 1 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
398 - Varese - Ionisation - (Karl)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
399 - Messiaen - ? - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
400 - Stravinsky - Three Pieces for string quartet - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)

Set by Guido
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236955.html#msg236955)

Set by Maciek
91 - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230606.html#msg230606)
92 - Dukas - L'apprenti sorcier - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230710.html#msg230710)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 21, 2008, 02:23:00 PM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 21, 2008, 12:59:52 PM
You forgot to say, though, that they'd all be better down the octave and in bass clef....

hmm... I often find that viola transcriptions somehow work less well than violin transcriptions. Haven't tried any of 'em. I only really see miniatures as fair game for transcribing - concertos and sonatas seem to be more hallowed ground in general - and are rarely cellistically idiomatic when transcribed. Bartok's viola concerto is nowhere near as good in the cello range, and nor are Bloch's two viola/orchestra works. For some reason violin/cello transcriptions often seem to work better, at least in my experience. Listening to Holst's Lyric movement today though, makes me wonder about this one... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 22, 2008, 02:28:48 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 21, 2008, 02:23:00 PM
I only really see miniatures as fair game for transcribing - concertos and sonatas seem to be more hallowed ground in general - and are rarely cellistically idiomatic when transcribed. Bartok's viola concerto is nowhere near as good in the cello range, and nor are Bloch's two viola/orchestra works.

Yes, but the other way round is a different matter - played on the viola, the Elgar Concerto at last sounds halfway decent, I'm sure you'll agree   >:D >:D



(you know I don't mean it)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 22, 2008, 02:41:37 AM
Oh, it's not so bad. It only lacks the pathos, beauty, darkness and power of the original - hardly a sacrifice considering we get to hear it on viola.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 22, 2008, 02:42:18 AM
Exactly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 03:17:57 AM
Clues, everyone!!

Firstly, these are my old clues to 363, 365, 366, 368, and 374, but now augmented by new clues in red.

363 - is by an extreme, provocative and controversial experimental composer, British, who has been on this thread more than once. This score exudes an aura of the scholastic textbook which is not inappropriate for this piece. The composer was killed in a shocking, mysterious and violent way, and the first syllable of his surname tells you exactly how.

365 - from the short score to an opera by one of the 20th centuries finest lyrical voices; the opera is named after one of its characters, and that character sings on this page. Guido started a thread about this composer recently, and this work was among those recommended to him.

366 - This piece is for one, two or three people. That old clue is much better than it looks (said the third little pig to his big bad adversary....)

368 - Babbitt, as has been guessed. I linked it to the Carter Diversion earlier, because they appear in the same source. That source is simply the book I have both pieces published in - a special commemorative/educational album with works by quite a few big names (also Tan Dun, Rzewski, Rihm....)

374 - By a composer one of whose piano works, says Ian Pace, is amongst the three or four hardest pieces ever written for the instrument. And not Finnissy or Richard Barrret as Greg guessed. A composer I like very much, possibly related to Bob Dylan...

And these are a first set of clues for the rest of my unguessed ones:

383 - strangely enough, another composer to die in mysterious and violent circumstances

383 - a major contemporary composer, featured on this thread more than once before. One of his less-discussed works, but it's still fairly widely known.
386 - J.S. Bach's handwriting, and the music is by Bach too.
387 - Also Bach's handwriting, and also by Bach. But I'd read those two clues very carefully. I will come to your assistance once you've got the general idea on these two.
388 - The daughter of a composer, married to another composer. This work is available on a Naxos disc, and it's really rather beautiful, this page being a highlight IMO.
389 - A member of a famous group of French composers!
390 - This piece is a Concerto, and a close look will reveal the solo instrument. It's recorded on a disc I've mentioned in the last few weeks. This composer, however, has also written concerti for viola, harpsichord, oboe d'amore, clarinet, orchestra, trumpet, four for piano and three for either one or two violins. According to Wiki's disambiguation page, he's also either a Shakespearean scholar and biographer, an author and geneticists, or a Roman Catholic pirest and theologian.
392 - I believe I already gave you a partial clue about this one. Here it is again.
394 - This composer appeared elsewhere among my more recent ones. This sample is cut from a much larger page for a very big orchestra.
399 - Messiaen, as Mark guessed. One of his most purely birdy pieces, this movement, though the work from which it comes demonstrates more of Messiaen's typical techniques and procedures than the purely ornithological. Time is of the essence, though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 23, 2008, 03:21:35 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 03:17:57 AM
Clues, everyone!!

Firstly, these are my old clues to 363, 365, 366, 368, and 374, but now augmented by new clues in red.

363 - is by an extreme, provocative and controversial experimental composer, British, who has been on this thread more than once. This score exudes an aura of the scholastic textbook which is not inappropriate for this piece. The composer was killed in a shocking, mysterious and violent way, and the first syllable of his surname tells you exactly how.

can't wait to hear about this one.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 03:25:46 AM
Well, trawl through the previous dead British experimental composers on this thread, checking out the first syllables of the surname, and you'll find him. It's not an unusual way to die, sadly, but there was an element of mystery in this particular case...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 23, 2008, 04:07:46 AM
374 suggests Zimmerman (Bob Dylan).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 04:15:36 AM
Good thinking. And correct, too!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 23, 2008, 04:33:04 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 03:17:57 AM

399 - Messiaen, as Mark guessed. One of his most purely birdy pieces, this movement, though the work from which it comes demonstrates more of Messiaen's typical techniques and procedures than the purely ornithological. Time is of the essence, though!

Kodakromie, er

Chronochromie?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 04:36:53 AM
Time of the essence indeed!

Yes, that's correct. The Epode movement, which is essentially like the page I posted all the way through. Astonishing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 04:41:57 AM
According to this rather good programme note (http://www.philharmonia.co.uk/messiaen/music/chrono.html):

Quote from: Philharmonia orchestra's notesThe Épôde, the penultimate movement, is an extraordinary polyphony of birdsongs scored for eighteen solo strings. It was this section that most disconcerted audiences at the first performances of Chronochromie. At the Paris première (13 February 1962, at the Théâtre des Champs-Elysées), one senior critic, Rene Dumesnil, likened the reception to the notorious premiere of Le Sacre du printemps, which by coincidence had taken place in the same auditorium nearly half a century earlier.

The note also includes this cool picture and annotation:

(http://www.philharmonia.co.uk/messiaen/images/photos/248w/sketch_1959_waterfall_248w.jpg)
A 1959 sketch of the waterfall Gorges de la Bourne used in Chronochromie.

Amazing, the closest of possible links between the visual stimulus and the notes themselves!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 23, 2008, 06:00:38 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 04:15:36 AM
Good thinking. And correct, too!

I know nothing of Zimmermann's piano music (though I have seen Die Soldaten and heard the Requiem). So is it one of these:

Extemporale for piano (1946)
Capriccio for Piano
Enchidrion I for piano (1949)
Enchidrion II for piano (1951)
Konfigurationen (Configurations) for piano (1956)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 23, 2008, 06:12:47 AM
363 - Cornelius Cardew, Treatise?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 06:41:46 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on October 23, 2008, 06:00:38 AM
I know nothing of Zimmermann's piano music (though I have seen Die Soldaten and heard the Requiem). So is it one of these:

Extemporale for piano (1946)
Capriccio for Piano
Enchidrion I for piano (1949)
Enchidrion II for piano (1951)
Konfigurationen (Configurations) for piano (1956)

Wrong Zimmermann...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 23, 2008, 06:12:47 AM
363 - Cornelius Cardew, Treatise?

Right composer, wrong piece. (I had a page of Treatise up on this thread ages ago - all pages of the ringbound score to Treatise are landscape, with at least one line of a stave running across the width as a continuous element; otherwise, the score is entirely graphic, and beautifully so - Cardew's day job, at times, was as a graphic designer)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 23, 2008, 06:48:16 AM
The Great Learning, then.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 06:50:16 AM
No - I forgot he has so many scholastic titles (The Great Learning is from Confucius - I had a page from that one up on this thread somewhere too!) This one is even more explicitly school-related than either of those. If you can't find a reference to it, I'll reveal it soon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 06:52:38 AM
Yes - Treatise was my mystery score 35, and The Great Learning was 135
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 23, 2008, 06:55:24 AM
Either Schooltime Compositions or Schooltime Special?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 06:57:06 AM
Very good! The first of these. He really did have a thing for education, it seems!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 23, 2008, 08:10:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 06:41:46 AM
Wrong Zimmermann...

::)

Does that mean it's not one of those five pieces?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 23, 2008, 08:17:29 AM
Try one of these from Ian's website. I'll guess the first one, as the longest:

WALTER ZIMMERMANN
Beginner's Mind (1976)***(of complete version) 60'
Abgeschiedenheit (1982)** 20'
Wüstenwanderung (1986)** 25'
When I'm Eighty-Four (1989) 3'
Barn Snail-Dance (1997) 3'
Wanda Landowskas verschwundene Instrumente (1998) 20'
Aimide (2001-2002)*** 15'
Blaupause (Schatten der Ideen 6) (2003)*** 5'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
Yes - he's a great composer, and Pace's recordings of him are awesome. But I never said it was a piano piece - I said it was a piece by a composer who Pace has said is responsible for some of the very hardest piano music ever (he means Wüstenwanderung in particular, FWIW).

Zimmermann's website is quite an interesting place...  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 08:24:37 AM
All of the pieces you found except the last two are one a double CD of Zimmermann's piano music recorded by Pace. Beginner's Mind, of course, takes the first disc - and it's a fascinating piece in many ways. I find it really interesting and thought-provoking, personally.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 23, 2008, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
Yes - he's a great composer, and Pace's recordings of him are awesome. But I never said it was a piano piece - I said it was a piece by a composer who Pace has said is responsible for some of the very hardest piano music ever (he means Wüstenwanderung in particular, FWIW).

That's as far as I can go....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 23, 2008, 08:36:42 AM
Il Prigioniero by Dallapiccola?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 08:39:08 AM
I guess you're referring to a different one, but if so.......you're correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 23, 2008, 08:43:58 AM
Zimmermann, Parasit/Paraklet? (Sorry, Sfz)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 10:44:48 AM
You found his site, then. Nice, isn't it? Paraklet - part of the opus Randonnée
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 24, 2008, 02:05:49 AM


First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - Cardew - Schooltime COmpositions - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - Dallapiccola - Il Prigioniero - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - W Zimmermann - Paraklet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)
375 - N. Nabokov - Piano Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg228862.html#msg228862)
376 - Britten - A Ceremony of Carols - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
377 - Barth - from Giles Goat-Boy - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
378 - Martinu - The Three Horsemen - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236310.html#msg236310)
379 - Bowles - Tamanar - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236786.html#msg236786)
380 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237119.html#msg237119)
381 - Bridge - Christmas Dance, Sir Roger de Coverley - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237787.html#msg237787)
382 - Enescu - Symphony no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
383 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
384 - Stravinsky - Movements - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237789.html#msg237789)
385 - Sibelius - Finlandia - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
386 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
387 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237792.html#msg237792)
388 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237793.html#msg237793)
389 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
390 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
391 - Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
392 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237795.html#msg237795)
393 - Harvey - Bhakti - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237806.html#msg237806)
394 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
395 - Walton - Viola Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
396 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Trio - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
397 - Liszt - Piano Concerto 1 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
398 - Varese - Ionisation - (Karl)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
399 - Messiaen - Chronochromie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
400 - Stravinsky - Three Pieces for string quartet - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)

Set by Guido
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236955.html#msg236955)

Set by Maciek
91 - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230606.html#msg230606)
92 - Dukas - L'apprenti sorcier - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230710.html#msg230710)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 24, 2008, 12:36:30 PM
The Babbitt piece is called The old order changeth. It's to be found in The Carnegie Hall millennium piano book.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 24, 2008, 12:38:17 PM
That Babbitt and his punning titles, eh?

Which reminds me, I wanted to listen to his The Joy of More Sextets tonight....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 24, 2008, 12:42:50 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 24, 2008, 01:27:32 PM
I have never heard a piece by either Babbitt or Wourinen. I am a bad man.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 24, 2008, 02:29:26 PM
Quote from: Guido on October 24, 2008, 01:27:32 PM
I have never heard a piece by either Babbitt or Wourinen. I am a bad man.

They're very different, of course.

Considering your own especially keen interests, Guido . . . I recommend Wuorinen's Chamber Concerto for Cello and 10 Instruments (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?name_id1=13236&name_role1=1&bcorder=1&comp_id=86050)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2008, 03:10:29 PM
Has any composer yet written a Concerto for 10 cellos and an instrument?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lukeottevanger on October 24, 2008, 03:26:33 PM
Don't give Guido ideas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Paideia on October 25, 2008, 04:10:26 AM
Hi, this is my first post! I love this forum - I've been reading it about a year now - but I don't like communicating with my clumsy English. Anyway:

366 is Christian Wolff's For 1, 2 or 3 people

I heard that two weeks ago here in Helsinki played by Wolff himself and others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 25, 2008, 04:11:31 AM
Welcome, Paideia!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 25, 2008, 04:17:23 AM
Hello, Paideia! Welcome! And join the fun!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 25, 2008, 04:32:52 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 24, 2008, 03:10:29 PM
Has any composer yet written a Concerto for 10 cellos and an instrument?

Not a concerto, but you know that's got to be one of the scorings for Fratres . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 25, 2008, 04:50:22 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Paideia on October 25, 2008, 07:20:25 AM
Thanks for the welcomes! I know I should use more English and this forum is perfect place for that. I'll try to find some ways to contribute.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 25, 2008, 07:27:32 AM
Fratres for 12 cellos yes - there are lots of cello ensemble pieces (Villa Lobos' Bachianas Brasilieras being the prime examples). In terms of concertos there's Tischenko's cello concerto no.2 for solo cello, orchestra of 48 cellos and 2 Double Basses. There's also Ridout's cello concerto no.3 "The Prisoner" for 8 orchestral cellos and solo cello. And Tavener's Wake up...and die for orchestral cellos (divided into 3 or 4) and solo cello. Of the Villa Lobos Bachianas, No.5 is scored for soprano soloist and 8 cellos. Oh and Satoh's innocence for 6 cellos, with soprano and violin solos. I'm sure that there are others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 25, 2008, 07:35:31 AM
Quote from: Paideia on October 25, 2008, 07:20:25 AM
Thanks for the welcomes! I know I should use more English and this forum is perfect place for that. I'll try to find some ways to contribute.

Please do!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 25, 2008, 07:54:20 AM
And thanks for the tip Karl - I will look for that piece first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 25, 2008, 08:56:43 AM
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2008, 07:27:32 AM
Fratres for 12 cellos yes - there are lots of cello ensemble pieces (Villa Lobos' Bachianas Brasilieras being the prime examples). In terms of concertos there's Tischenko's cello concerto no.2 for solo cello, orchestra of 48 cellos and 2 Double Basses. There's also Ridout's cello concerto no.3 "The Prisoner" for 8 orchestral cellos and solo cello. And Tavener's Wake up...and die for orchestral cellos (divided into 3 or 4) and solo cello. Of the Villa Lobos Bachianas, No.5 is scored for soprano soloist and 8 cellos. Oh and Satoh's innocence for 6 cellos, with soprano and violin solos. I'm sure that there are others.

Somewhere in the mists of time I wrote a piece called Cello Variations for five cellos, and it was played by the Ithaca College Cello Ensemble. At the time it was my best work, but that was a while ago.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 25, 2008, 11:25:01 AM
Still - no Concerto for 10 cellos and an instrument. Difficult to believe but true - a gaping hole in the repertoire. How could this have ever happened?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 25, 2008, 01:45:05 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on October 25, 2008, 08:56:43 AM
Somewhere in the mists of time I wrote a piece called Cello Variations for five cellos, and it was played by the Ithaca College Cello Ensemble. At the time it was my best work, but that was a while ago.
Sounds exciting. Is there a recording?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on October 25, 2008, 09:53:37 PM
Guido, speaking of a student work of mine which I had been foolish enough to mention:
Quote from: Guido on October 25, 2008, 01:45:05 PM
Sounds exciting. Is there a recording?

Hmm....

Mentioning this piece sounded like a good at the time, I don't remember why. I feel a sudden terror though at the possibility of revealing it. This was a student work, and what I got out of it was the gradual realization that the atonal music I was writing was kind of a bogus atonality. It consisted of ideas that would have been better expressed within tonality dressed up with dissonances. I couldn't quite own up to it yet, but I was beginning to realize that I don't really have any truly atonal music in me. Husa was pleased with it though.

(listening to it now reminds me that the performance has a lot of unintended microtones in it, which I find excruciating).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on October 25, 2008, 11:45:42 PM
I'll have a wild guess at 383:

Ligeti - San Francisco Polyphony ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 26, 2008, 05:44:14 AM
MM 93
I was delighted to happen upon this earlier today. As unexceptional as it may look this one should actually be extremely easy to guess for anyone who has ever heard the piece. (Johan? I know one Johan on this board certainly has.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 26, 2008, 06:33:21 AM
Did someone call me?

Szymanski? Five pieces for string quartet, 4th movement?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 26, 2008, 10:55:34 AM
That's the whole catch: I mean the other Johan, the one who doesn't ever drop by here, at least I don't think so.

The composer is not Polish, BTW. (I hope Luke doesn't ban me from the game for that. ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 26, 2008, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 26, 2008, 10:55:34 AM
That's the whole catch: I mean the other Johan, the one who doesn't ever drop by here, at least I don't think so.

The composer is not Polish, BTW. (I hope Luke doesn't ban me from the game for that. ;D)

You wily, sneaky... no, I won't employ any substantive (which would be inadequate in any case)!

But is it Vasks?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 26, 2008, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: Paideia on October 25, 2008, 07:20:25 AM
Thanks for the welcomes! I know I should use more English and this forum is perfect place for that. I'll try to find some ways to contribute.

Quote from: Jezetha on October 25, 2008, 07:35:31 AM
Please do!
I agree. Btw, if the rest of your posts are as well written as your first two, we won't have to worry about reading "clumsy" English.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 27, 2008, 02:19:13 AM
Ha, ha. ;D No, not Vasks either... :-X

Greg, what a fetching self-portrait.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 27, 2008, 02:29:27 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 27, 2008, 02:19:13 AM
Ha, ha. ;D No, not Vasks either... :-X

Dang! Well, I'm seeing the other Johan tonight (and fellow GMG member Vandermolen - yes, an historic meeting!) I'll mention your post...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 27, 2008, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 27, 2008, 02:29:27 AM
an historic meeting!

...of the school committee...?? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 27, 2008, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 27, 2008, 02:19:13 AM


Greg, what a fetching self-portrait.
Sheesh, as I said in the Avatar, it's my girlfriend who I met at the graveyard as she was digging herself out of a grave.

I changed it now, because I was starting to feel sick already.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 27, 2008, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 27, 2008, 11:26:31 AM
...of the school committee...?? ;D

;D Yes, matters of grave import were discussed, while eating pizza and drinking wine... It was a resounding success!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 28, 2008, 07:10:37 AM
Consider this thread dead - Luke has gone (see here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,220.msg241416/topicseen.html#msg241416).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on October 28, 2008, 07:14:28 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 28, 2008, 07:10:37 AM
Consider this thread dead - Luke has gone (see here: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,220.msg241416/topicseen.html#msg241416).

Well, Luke was clearly the target of one of M's twitting rampages;  and who can fault Luke for (a) not needing such boorish confrontation, and (b) preferring the company of his family?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 28, 2008, 07:22:23 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 28, 2008, 07:14:28 AM
Well, Luke was clearly the target of one of M's twitting rampages;  and who can fault Luke for (a) not needing such boorish confrontation, and (b) preferring the company of his family?

I respect Luke's decision. But I'm sorry to see him go.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 28, 2008, 07:52:18 AM
Well, we could try to keep it going (at a moderate pace) in the hopes that, when the air clears (when?), he might come back...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 28, 2008, 07:58:21 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 28, 2008, 07:52:18 AM
Well, we could try to keep it going (at a moderate pace) in the hopes that, when the air clears (when?), he might come back...

When M clears off, you mean. I don't see Luke coming back. A pity. This is a sad day, after such a lovely one yesterday (see members meeting face-to-face thread).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 28, 2008, 10:02:56 AM
QuoteI respect Luke's decision. But I'm sorry to see him go.
Agreed. Horrible news.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 28, 2008, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 28, 2008, 07:58:21 AM
When M clears off, you mean.
That would be....... hm, never.
Luke did make a good point. I always find it, funny, too....... I'm sure we're all jealous that people may know stuff we don't, but he must be really jealous of Luke's knowledge- look at the vast difference in the number of scores guessed in this thread. As Luke said, M hardly ever talks about chamber music, not to mention modern composers- he doesn't compose, and only plays one instrument (probably couldn't even play piano, who knows). Anyone who can play piano AND write orchestral scores has a serious amount of insight into music in general compared to someone who just plays bass in an orchestra.

But there's just so many people that know so much that he doesn't know, that having such an attitude is ridiculous and he should be embarrassed about it.

(i wanted to post that on the other thread but it was locked).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on October 28, 2008, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: G$ on October 28, 2008, 01:03:30 PM
But there's just so many people that know so much that he doesn't know, that having such an attitude is ridiculous and he should be embarrassed about it.

M is just - what he terms - 'honest'. Embarrassment will never be his middle name. I am very sorry Luke did him the unnecessary and highly undeserved honour of quitting.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on October 28, 2008, 01:28:29 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 28, 2008, 01:09:20 PM
I am very sorry Luke did him the unnecessary and highly undeserved honour of quitting.
We should keep count....... this might be the 4th or 5th poster?........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ezodisy on October 28, 2008, 01:44:25 PM
That is really too bad, I hope Luke comes back and soon too. No one else can write about Chopin (or pretty much anyone or anything else) like he can :(

However I would never want to see M leave either. In fact I wouldn't even want to see Harry leave. All members should just take it easy and put differences aside once walking away from the computer -- too many of these internet arguments tend to linger after stepping away from the keyboard. Anyway, Luke, if you're reading this, please do return some time (soon), it won't be the same without you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on October 28, 2008, 08:45:04 PM
Some people are quite passionate about the discussions they have on this board. As such, when M comes in and writes it off with an ill-informed dismissal coupled with a typical ad hominim, I can understand how that can be taxing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: M forever on October 28, 2008, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: G$ on October 28, 2008, 01:03:30 PM
As Luke said, M hardly ever talks about chamber music, not to mention modern composers- he doesn't compose, and only plays one instrument (probably couldn't even play piano, who knows). Anyone who can play piano AND write orchestral scores has a serious amount of insight into music in general compared to someone who just plays bass in an orchestra.

Sorry to have to disappoint you once again, but M actually plays the piano, used to play the horn, too, when he was younger, and took very extensive and intensive classes in musical analysis and theory at the music academy, and, it gets even worse, even in composition and, as if that wasn't enough bad news, M actually wrote a number of pieces (for chamber ensembles of various kinds and string orchestra) which were performed with quite a bit of success back then.

Insults against others removed by Knight
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on October 29, 2008, 12:10:56 AM
Quote from: M forever on October 28, 2008, 09:14:08 PM
Sorry to have to disappoint you once again, but M actually plays the piano, used to play the horn, too, when he was younger, and took very extensive and intensive classes in musical analysis and theory at the music academy, and, it gets even worse, even in composition and, as if that wasn't enough bad news, M actually wrote a number of pieces (for chamber ensembles of various kinds and string orchestra) which were performed with quite a bit of success back then.

Insults against others removed by Knight

What a great person you are.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on October 29, 2008, 01:13:19 AM
Real experience doesn't have to be constantly proclaimed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on October 29, 2008, 04:57:21 AM
Quote from: JCampbell on October 29, 2008, 01:13:19 AM
Real experience doesn't have to be constantly proclaimed.

True, but in that instance he was merely responding to and correcting Greg's assumptions.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Symphonien on October 29, 2008, 05:20:32 AM
Quote from: M forever on October 28, 2008, 09:14:08 PM
Insults against others removed by Knight

Now in my opinion, this act of censorship has gone way too far. Please explain to me why I was so insulted by this:

Quote from: M forever on October 28, 2008, 09:14:08 PMThe reason I never comment much about musical fields outside orchestral music is not that I am not interested in or don't know these fields, but that I think my comments can not be interesting for other people to read unless there is a lot of personal experience and substance behind them. Most of my own personal experience is with orchestral music and its performance and performance styles, naturally, so I restrict my contributions mostly to this area. Unlike a lot of other people here, I do not think that I have to blabla about anything and everything.

This directly addresses an issue raised by Greg in regards to M and I think it would be informative for anyone on this board to read. Why was Greg's post not deleted if this was? All I ask of the moderators is to please refrain from bias and not to discriminate. I feel this is unfair censorship for M, regardless of your opinion on his posting history, and I believe all members should be treated equally.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 29, 2008, 05:50:22 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on October 29, 2008, 05:20:32 AM
I believe all members should be treated equally.

Well, that's your personal opinion, and you're entitled to hold it, of course. But in fact, that is a matter for the owner of this place to decide. And he has no problem with the moderators not judging each post separately, but also taking a member's posting history into consideration.

This topic has veered so far from its subject (and into a hostile mood) that I'm temporarily locking it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 09, 2009, 05:19:00 PM
It's about time that we started this again.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 09, 2009, 05:19:59 PM
And two more:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on February 09, 2009, 08:12:44 PM
First one is the Fauré Piano Trio in D minor, op. 120
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 10, 2009, 03:17:57 AM
Correct.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:37:15 AM
Quote from: Guido on February 09, 2009, 05:19:00 PM
It's about time that we started this again.




What a fine idea!

I've just been browsing this thread and it looks like a lot of fun! And inhabited only by gentlemen and scholars, too. I also saw that you had someone called Luke Ottevanger on it once (who sound likes a fascinating and deeply attractive human being, I must say) whose musical tastes, strangely, seem to chime precisely with mine. He also had a big score collection - as do I. And a love of musical detective games - as do I. In fact, whilst I'm here, this is my vague stab in the dark at those of Luke's which were left over when he left so abruptly (the git could at least have stuck around and given you the answers). A vague stab in the dark, as I say. But 100% correct, also:

380 - Claude Vivier - Orion

383 - Boulez - Figures, Doubles, Prisms

386 - Johan Ludwig Bach - Gott ist unser Zuversicht. Obviously.

387 - JC Bach, Clavier concerto in B flat. He writes at the bottom 'I, I made this. Isn't that beautiful?' Sweet.

388 - Lefanu - String Quartet no 2

389 - Daniel Lesur - Elegie for two guitars

390 - John McCabe - Flute Concerto

392 - Part - Credo. Another brilliant clue ignored by you all ('I believe I already gave you a partial clue about this one.') That Luke was a genius!

394 - Varese - Ameriques. Cool technique here which (IIRC) he also uses in Arcana. He did tend to recycle his ideas somewhat.

So, as I was saying - Luke's musical interests, as exhibited here, seem like a very clone of mine. I hope he won't mind then - I'm sure he won't, in fact - if, in giving my own score samples, I pick up where he left off  - i.e. with no 401..........

401 and 402:
In honour of a recent birthday, let's do the Hokey Cokey - because, as the song says, 'that's what Saul about.....'


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:39:19 AM
A veritable smorgasbord of party food now - bear with me. Some of my own favourites may be apparent here....

403, 404, 405, 406

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:43:06 AM
...or it would be a smorgasbord if I could post the next set. Won't do it for some reason...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:48:27 AM
(fifth time of trying....)

407, 408, 409, 410
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:51:14 AM
That's better....

411, 412 and 412a (from the same set, but bonus points if you work out the homage in 412a), 413
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:53:26 AM
(It's only letting me post if I do it in a different window each time - that's what it seems like, anyway. How
odd)

414, 415, 416, 417

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:54:37 AM
418, 419, 420, 421
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:55:26 AM
422, 423
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:56:42 AM
424 (cheese course)

425 (dessert - I believe Luke once set one from this piece already)

That's it.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 10, 2009, 03:57:42 AM
Welcome, sul G! You are a worthy replacement (almost) of our dearly beloved Luke. And what a Horn of Plenty... This will take me some time to digest.  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 04:01:04 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on February 10, 2009, 03:57:42 AM
Welcome, sul G! You are a worthy replacement (almost) of our dearly beloved Luke.

Thank you. I hope to fill his (surely fragrant and bejewelled) shoes fully at some point.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on February 10, 2009, 05:17:18 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:37:15 AM
(who sound likes a fascinating and deeply attractive human being, I must say)

Some say, a genius!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on February 10, 2009, 05:47:28 AM
Well I'll grab the really obvious one:

415 is the Wall Street Rag by Scott Joplin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 06:42:20 AM
@ Karl: Really? The pressure mounts!

@ Mark: Obvious and appropriate (in these troubled times©). Correct, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 10, 2009, 10:24:37 AM
Don't think I know any of them. :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 12:29:39 PM
Not even the one with one of the great orchestral passages for cellos? (IMO, of course)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 10, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
In #402 I seem to recognise a song (to which, btw, Brian alludes in his opera The Tigers) - The Last Rose of Summer...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 10, 2009, 01:08:56 PM
422? No idea.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 01:12:38 PM
Yes, that's the one
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on February 10, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
422 is the slow movement of Tippett's Concerto for Orchestra.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 10, 2009, 04:24:04 PM
How fascinating that our new member Sul G seems to know so much about our departed member Saul D - 401 and 402 both being early Mendelssohn, the Sonata in E op. 6 and the Fantasy on the Last Rose of Summer op. 15.

Some others I recognize - 403 is from the Schoenberg Variations op. 31. The earlier no 5 looks like the Dvorak Romance in F minor op. 11. I think 416 is Medtner, but will have to check. - yes, it is the Sonata Reminiscenza, op. 38/1.

410 is the ending of Janacek's piano piece Un Souvenir.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on February 10, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
I think Luke back here in disguise.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 10, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on February 10, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
I think Luke back here in disguise.

Amazing!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 10, 2009, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on February 10, 2009, 04:24:04 PM
How fascinating that our new member Sul G seems to know so much about our departed member Saul D - 401 and 402 both being early Mendelssohn, the Sonata in E op. 6 and the Fantasy on the Last Rose of Summer op. 15.

Some others I recognize - 403 is from the Schoenberg Variations op. 31. The earlier no 5 looks like the Dvorak Romance in F minor op. 11. I think 416 is Medtner, but will have to check. - yes, it is the Sonata Reminiscenza, op. 38/1.

410 is the ending of Janacek's piano piece Un Souvenir.

These are all correct, except that I'd hazard the Dvorak guess is wrong - and I see that Luke set the Dvorak Romance a long long time ago - his number 26, I think.

The Mendelssohn pieces because before registering I saw that some of you were discussing the early Mendelssohn piano sonatas. And as I'd been playing through them that day, I was keen to bring them to your attention. For all the Beethovenian shape of the recitatives in this part of the sonata, the formal idea is really quite incredible, especially for a 17 year - among other things, the unbarred recitative is treated fugally. This piece dates from the same year as the Midsummer wotsit, so it's best not to write it off too easily.

Mark's guess of the Tippett Concerto for Orchestra is also correct, of course. Tippett is a favourite of mine - look carefully and you might find some more.

And as for me being Luke in [extremely lightly worn and deliberately revealing] disguise - well, I couldn't possibly say! Though I thought clothing one's former identity with a pseudonym taken from musical terminology was pretty 'last year', eh Sforzando?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Que on February 10, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:37:15 AM
So, as I was saying - Luke's musical interests, as exhibited here, seem like a very clone of mine. I hope he won't mind then - I'm sure he won't, in fact - if, in giving my own score samples, I pick up where he left off  - i.e. with no 401..........

Indeed...  8)

Welcome back, Luke. :)

Q
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 11, 2009, 12:57:49 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 09:51:36 PM
And as for me being Luke in [extremely lightly worn and deliberately revealing] disguise - well, I couldn't possibly say! Though I thought clothing one's former identity with a pseudonym taken from musical terminology was pretty 'last year', eh Sforzando?

Well, you know, it's not like you absolutely have to deregister first. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 11, 2009, 01:03:16 AM
 ;D ;D  ;D 8)

No, I suppose not. Though it's slightly more misterioso if you do! I reckon we should all do it, though....


Anyway, along with

Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 09:51:36 PM

Mark's guess of the Tippett Concerto for Orchestra is also correct, of course. Tippett is a favourite of mine - look carefully and you might find some more.

I should have said that (of course) Janacek is a favourite too, and that there might be some other Janacek pieces in here. Guido knows one of them for sure. The one Sfz spotted features (at the top of the page) a typically Janacekian slip into D flat - that's the 'memory' of the title if anything is, I guess. One of the other Janacek pieces here also lurches into D flat, from A major this time. It's such a touching habit of his....

The Schoenberg Variations - well, I chose this page just because there's something appealing about a classic of twelve tone music using the flexatone. I'm not sure why I like the idea, but I do.

And the Medtner - this is the piece which Gilels made into something of a signature piece, and I've never heard anyone do it better. This opening page, which occurs again in the middle and at the end, with its suspended, static but seductive main idea 'outside' the main body of the music, is one of Medtner's finest inspirations. And another image of memory-in-music, just as with the minor Janacek piece already identified.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 11, 2009, 01:09:26 AM
Hm, I should perhaps take a closer look at the remaining ones but I'm off to work at the moment, so I'll let someone else upstage me (which shouldn't be difficult, since I'm sure I wouldn't know any of them anyway 0:)).

Also, I have to study for my English exam on Monday. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 11, 2009, 02:10:09 AM
Quote from: Rubato on February 11, 2009, 01:09:26 AM
Also, I have to study for my English exam on Monday. ;D

In which case, perhaps someone should tell you that the above would be better put:

'Furthermentioning, I must be being studied for my English exam at Monday'

Now, don't forget that, and good luck!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on February 11, 2009, 05:10:53 AM
Quote from: Rubato on February 11, 2009, 12:57:49 AM
Well, you know, it's not like you absolutely have to deregister first. ;D

Note taken. (Indeed.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on February 13, 2009, 05:23:50 PM
Luke is back?


!!!

:) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 13, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
Oh. My. God.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 01:17:32 AM
@ Greg   ;D

@ Guido   ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 01:26:23 AM
So, fellas, how are we doing on these? Clues? Here are some quick ones to some of the remaining; I'll go through the others later...

404 - just a small thing, this
405 - I mock you. I ask you.
406 - c.w. above
409 - I'm waiting for you..
411 - Guido, you know this.
412/412a - I didn't think this would be hard. Luke set one of these before, and it looked similar. Don't forget that 412a is a homage, and it's fairly clear who to.
413 - genus Dacelo, perhaps
414 - genus Luscinia megarhynchos, certanily. The top line of the score is the big clue, but this is extremely famous





Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 14, 2009, 03:16:40 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 11, 2009, 02:10:09 AM
'Furthermentioning

I'll definitely try to find some way of squeezing that word in.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 05:34:35 AM
409 - Janacek Intimate Sketches - I await you!

411 - Janacek Violin Concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 05:38:26 AM
Quote from: Guido on February 14, 2009, 05:34:35 AM
409 - Janacek Intimate Sketches - I await you!

411 - Janacek Violin Concerto

Well, the 409 Janacek doesn't actually come from a collection at all, though it's been published with other Janacek tinies, sketches, fragments and juvenilia in a book to which the publisher did give the name Intimate Sketches. Its Czech name is Cekam Te, and it's Janacek's very last piece, left incomplete. The 'you' he is waiting for is Kamila, of course; and it was during a visit of hers to Janacek in Hukvaldy that the composer died.

The Concerto is correct - in piano reduction here, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 05:59:20 AM
I'll give some more clues for mine. All of these are fairly famous composers, certainly known amongst people here.

no.2 is by a very famous composer, though song writing is't generally what he is known for.

no.3 is atypical of the composer in its bare simplicity, but there are definite stylistic clues here, as well as the use of the solo instrument.

no.4 is actually a bit of a cheat, as it is an arrangement of an orchestral piece by the composer, his last orchestral work in fact, and this is the most beautiful movement of it. Below is another excerpt from it - this time the opening of that movement.

no.5 - may not be all it seems... the solo instrument usually has other markings...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 06:03:00 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 14, 2009, 05:38:26 AM
Well, the 409 Janacek doesn't actually come from a collection at all, though it's been published in a book with other Janacek tinies, sketches, fragments and juvenilia which to which the publisher gave the name Intimate Sketches. Its Czech name is Cekam Te, and it's Janacek's very last piece, left incomplete. The 'you' he is waiting for is Kamila, of course; and it was during a visit of hers to Janacek in Hukvaldy that the composer died.

The Concerto is correct - in piano reduction here, of course.

I should have got the concerto straight away of course. For some reason I was just thrown by the way it looked on the page...

Why was Janacek so obsessed by Kamila? was he trying to recapture his youth? EDIT: Obviously far too simplistic, but there's a certain sadness to it in many ways...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on February 14, 2009, 06:09:44 AM
Feels great to be so entirely lost again!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 06:16:27 AM
Quote from: Guido on February 14, 2009, 06:03:00 AM
but there's a certain sadness to it in many ways...

Actually it's desperately sad. But somehow this forbidden love had the power to inspire masterpiece after masterpiece for 10 years, in a way which I don't think could have been expected from his works up to that date...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 06:42:34 AM
That no 4 of yours is the second movement of Moeran's Serenade in G, of course.

Regarding Kamila - as you say, a complex issue, and despite all his (often beautiful) letters to her, it's still a bit of a mystery. He certainly idealised her - she represented a certain 'type' for him (dark, 'gypsy-like' - see the Diary of One Who Disappeared) and it may even be that he rather blocked out the real Kamila for this ideal image, which was certainly 'working for him'.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 07:19:24 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 14, 2009, 06:42:34 AM
That no 4 of yours is the second movement of Moeran's Serenade in G, of course.

Regarding Kamila - as you say, a complex issue, and despite all his (often beautiful) letters to her, it's still a bit of a mystery. He certainly idealised her - she represented a certain 'type' for him (dark, 'gypsy-like' - see the Diary of One Who Disappeared) and it may even be that he rather blocked out the real Kamila for this ideal image, which was certainly 'working for him'.

The whole story about him buying the paintings of cherubs by her husband then writing to her saying they were "our children" sort of borders the realm of stalker like obsession or even madness; also his comments on the Second String quartet in which he says she is giving birth to their child in the second(?) movement... It's astonishing that someone with such an obviously deep and profound understanding of people and relationships would express on the one hand such naive and childlike simplicity and on the other Aspergerian inappropriateness and lack of understanding of the mental and emotional states of others. Or he did understand, but couldn't help himself (perhaps more likely), preferring to create his own world - was his own marriage loveless? And what about Kamila's husband - what did he think of all these shenanigans?

This naivity mixed with a supreme profundity of thought reminds me a lot of Ives, though his thought was focussed in another sphere - that of 'the people', art, and the future. He could not accept the second world war.

(his love life was no where near as complicated! But again the theme of human love was of primary importance to him - In their private theology, his and Harmony's love had taught them both divine love, and taught him how to spread that love to the world through his music)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 07:37:58 AM
Certainly, it was all very odd. Though I think those comments need to be read 1) as coming from an earlier age, 2) as being written by a man whose forms of expression were always startlingly direct and original, and 3) as being part of a private language (much as you talk about Mr and Mrs Ives and their 'private theology'). Kamila's own role in this all is more unclear, unfortunately. It would help if we knew more about her side of things; her feelings can hardly have been of the same intensity or type as his, but she (and her husband, AFAIK) were flattered by the association with a famous composer. As for Janacek's wife, that's a rather sad and bitter story - they had been in love, early on, but eventually divorced, though continuing to live together. Zdenka's own memoirs paint Janacek in a bad light in some ways; but they too can't be taken at face value - there was so much history, so much under the surface. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

I'm not as up on the details of Janacek biography as I ought to be, and my memory can't be trusted to give you chapter and verse on this. I have the relevant books - the Stosslova letters, and Zdenka's memoirs, both edited by John Tyrell, with the latter's typically comprehensive introduction and notes - but at the moment I've lent them to my mother as the letters contain mention of Max Brod and specifically (and unusually - usually it's only Max who is spoken of) his wife, who was my mother's aunt. He talks of Brod's wife and his talking together - and as both had husbands with wandering eyes, one can imagine their conversations. All rather sad.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on February 14, 2009, 09:30:58 AM
Most interesting, thanks!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
Guido, I think your Russian song is Stravinsky's Four Russian Songs (no 2). Actually, Stravinsky was my first thought when I saw this score, but I couldn't place the songs.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 11:23:21 AM
You are right! Just came accross the score and thought it looked pretty so included it. Have never heard the piece - I should dig out the Stravinsky boxed set song CD - he wrote something like 40 songs I think, which I found surprising.

Just noticed the Moeran contains not a single accidental in those first three lines... Amazing stuff - it's just so magically beautiful.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 11:29:53 AM
It's modal, you see. It's the way of the future. (Not unusual to find pages as accidental free as this in British music of that time - there are pieces by Howells which are similar, for instance).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 14, 2009, 11:29:53 AM
It's modal, you see. It's the way of the future. (Not unusual to find pages as accidental free as this in British music of that time - there are pieces by Howells which are similar, for instance).

Yes, I know it's modal - I know that this is one of the aspects of English writing of this time which appeals to me the most (though I have no real idea how it works technically). And false relations! I still don't really understand why modality doesn't 'collapse' into the the key of the key signature (the key from which the modes' scale is derived) - like here E minor - how does one avoid the pull of the A minor chord to E?

Just looked through the whole score: there isn't a single sccidental in the whole movement. That luminous ending!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 11:51:19 AM
Quote from: Guido on February 14, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
Yes, I know it's modal - I know that this is one of the aspects of English writing of this time which appeals to me the most (though I have ni real idea technically how it works). And false relations! I still don't really understand why modality doesn't 'collapse' into the the key of the key signature (the key from which the modes' scale is derived) - like here E minor - how does one avoid the pull of the A minor chord to E?

Well, it's due to the composer, really, rather than anything inherent in the mode. Here, the scale may be E minor, but the seventh isn't sharpened, so it's really aeolian, and the E is never reached via a semitone from D#. This means that the E minor feeling isn't fully established, and that G major is always only a inch away, and other modes too if the composer wishes - A dorian, for instance. It's down to Moeran how far and how much and where he wants to stray, and the result is that the music appears to move around whilst staying still. I'm not sure if that's what you were asking, however - maybe all that is obvious to you and you're talking about something else!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 14, 2009, 11:51:19 AM
Well, it's due to the composer, really, rather than anything inherent in the mode. Here, the scale may be E minor, but the seventh isn't sharpened, so it's really aeolian, and the E is never reached via a semitone from D#. This means that the E minor feeling isn't fully established, and that G major is always only a inch away, and other modes too if the composer wishes - A dorian, for instance. It's down to Moeran how far and how much and where he wants to stray, and the result is that the music appears to move around whilst staying still. I'm not sure if that's what you were asking, however - maybe all that is obvious to you and you're talking about something else!

Yes that's what I mean. But what for intance difines A dorian from say E Aeolian or B Phrygian - i.e. what makes us hear the chord 'in' one of those modes rather than one of the others, when the chords themselves are exactly the same? How does one establish that one is definitely in A dorian, rather than B Phrygian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 14, 2009, 12:10:59 PM
Context - what else is going on? - and selectivity - what notes do you use and which do you not? and how do you use them? You can establish A dorian as the modal centre in a similar way to that with which you would establish A minor*. The use of E as a dominant, for instance, reinforced by rhythms and gestures that make it a dominant. Ditto for B phrygian. The establishment is not as definitive as in major/minor music, but it's strong enough, and in any case, the ambiguity, the ability to float between keys rather than leaping decisively, is part of what makes the music what it is.

I refer you to the early modal compositions of Luke Ottevanger in this area. I believe he had a thread here once with links to these works.  ;D ;D

*There are importance local differences, of course. Above all, you don't have a G# in your 'dominant', so you can't establish A as fully as you could otherwise. Hence the attractive modal colouring, but also hence the 'timeless' feeling inherent in so much modal music - without the sharpened 7th pushing from chord A to chord B - from THEN to NOW - the music floats instead; relatively speaking, everything feels like NOW.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 14, 2009, 12:58:52 PM
Thanks for this, all fascinating - I've been wondering about it for a while. Ok, so alot of it is up the composer - interesting. I think I would find musical analysis even more mind bending taking this kind of thing into consideration!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on February 14, 2009, 01:03:23 PM
One of "my" students in an undergrad theory class, a violinist with a fine ear, once insisted that a tune used by Holst in Jupiter, which as a melodic dictation I had cast in C mixolydian, was (had to be) in F major, even though in all the eight bars the pitch F occurs only twice, and both times on weak beats.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 14, 2009, 01:31:28 PM
Though I can't contribute much by way of solving anything - combination of being out of my depth and not having much time -, I must say I like sul G's latest contributions a lot. I think I understand the uses of modality for the first time... Luke is gone. Long live sul G!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 15, 2009, 02:31:58 AM
So, I had a look at a couple of the compositions of Luke Ottevanger - before and after, so to speak - and I saw how the use of modal techniques like those described above were in some respects a real simplification for him, at least at first, whilst at the same time making the coherence of his music less reliant on more mysterious processes.

First example, non modal, fully chromatic, is from one of his Improvisations - 20 tiny piano pieces each written in about 20 minutes and under carefully controlled circumstances in 2003. The music's logic, the mechanisms which hold it together, are clear but unusual and obscure - hence the marking Mistico (probably). For instance, there is the opening idea, in quintuplets grouped into 4s, and its recapitulation in straight 4s grouped into 5s. Something similar goes on in the middle section. The final cadence, in which the voice exchange between top of left hand and top of right hand works in conjunction with the expanding bar lengths and written-out rit. - but why? - also functions in this way. The piece works (Luke hopes) but by dint of creating its own musical processes. Most of these improvisations work in a similar way, FWIW.

Second example is the very first modal piece he wrote, the first of his 10 Individuation and Enlightenment pieces, 2005. The mode is G, Ab, C, D, Eb, F - the Ab suggests a kind of Phrygian G, hence a kind of G minor, even though no B flat is present. If emphasis is placed on the F, however, and on the minor third F-Ab, the music takes on an F minor hue, as in the middle of the piece.

This modal piece is incredibly simple, in fact - really a retrogression, in technical terms, from the music he'd been writing before. It is, after all, the first piece he'd written in this way, and really an experiment. But I think that in this technique he recognised something of real fluidity and yet with an inner unity, which gave to each piece its own specific harmonic colouring[s ]; what's more, I think he recognised something that worked for him, specifically. Later on he began to use more than one mode, and the exploit the relationship between modes, in order to create more complex structures. But the basic principle remains the same, it seems.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 15, 2009, 02:42:43 AM
Some more scores for you. Easy, these ones, I think. Get one, you'll get them all. Two batches, one of five scores, one of three.

First batch:

426, 427, 428

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 15, 2009, 02:43:31 AM
...429, 430

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 15, 2009, 02:44:23 AM
Second batch

431, 432, 433

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 21, 2009, 03:35:28 PM
The unsolved ones of mine - more clues:

As I said the first composer seems to especially favour the oboe, particularly in adagios - this penchant spreads through all his works, from his first orchestral work, through his concertos, symphonies and other orchestral works... Here he finally gives the oboe an actual concertante part of its own... and the piece is a failure, one of his weakest, though still touching in its limited way - echoes of his greatness are to be found here, but when he composed this he was a broken man.

The second unsolved piece, I said that the solo part usually has other markings... those marking are words.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chafing Dish on February 21, 2009, 07:39:36 PM
432 - is it Abel Decaux' Claires de Lune?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 22, 2009, 12:25:20 PM
No it's not, but that would be a great score for the future- it's full of funky stuff. This is by a French composer, though - I suppose that is obvious - and one of a similar eccentricity.

I suppose I ought to give clues on these last two batches of mine, as they aren't going - but I really don't want to have to spell it out.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on February 22, 2009, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 22, 2009, 12:25:20 PM
No it's not, but that would be a great score for the future- it's full of funky stuff. This is by a French composer, though - I suppose that is obvious - and one of a similar eccentricity.

I suppose I ought to give clues on these last two batches of mine, as they aren't going - but I really don't want to have to spell it out.
Incidentally, this score (432) seems to require some rather "large" hands, no? :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 22, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
 ;D Looks that way, yes! There's no trickery here, this is simply a piano piece (it may exist in another form, I'm not sure, but to worry about that too much might be to follow a red herring). You might take something from the fact that this piano writing is strange, I suppose, but I've already told you that this composer is a bit of an eccentric.

Nice av, Joe. Have I missed something or is that a new one? I like it....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on February 22, 2009, 01:25:55 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 22, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
;D Looks that way, yes! There's no trickery here, this is simply a piano piece (it may exist in another form, I'm not sure, but to worry about that too much might be to follow a red herring). You might take something from the fact that this piano writing is strange, I suppose, but I've already told you that this composer is a bit of an eccentric.

Nice av, Joe. Have I missed something or is that a new one? I like it....
Unfortunately, as eccentricity seems to be a prerequisite among accomplished composers ( ;) ), your clue has done little in my mind as far as narrowing down prospective choices (I also don't pretend to be an afficianado on the subject). Because of Chafing Dish's suggestion, I did again take a look at 'Clair de Lune,' and I noticed that the score you posted certainly has some things in common with No. 3 (le cimetiere), but not enough for me to think that they would have been from a similar inspirational vein.

By the way, the avatar is new. It's a local painter's work (Ken Horn). This is from a series he did called "Fool's Paradise." Each one of his painting is accompanied with a poem. The poem for this painting is as follows:

Crossing the Burn

The Quest

Polished smooth by rough hands
is it now darkly waiting
below a foreign chapel
guarded by ignorance
and a large deathless beast ?

Fashioned by the Eastern man
is the quest still worth the risks ?
If the answer lies within us
is the journey just the song
to the tune that's always been there
...and yet we must go on.


I'm *this* close to ordering this painting. *this* close, I say!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 22, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Joe_Campbell on February 22, 2009, 01:25:55 PM
Unfortunately, as eccentricity seems to be a prerequisite among accomplished composers ( ;) ), your clue has done little in my mind as far as narrowing down prospective choices

Well, it wasn't really meant as a clue. Anyway, I've already given a very big clue a post or two ago. In a bit of a disguise, though...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 22, 2009, 02:31:11 PM
Guido, using your tastes as a guideline, I'm going to guess that your oboe one is Barber's Canzonetta, op. 48, which was a late piece, as you hint, completed by someone else. I can't pretend I've heard it, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 22, 2009, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 22, 2009, 02:31:11 PM
I can't pretend I've heard it, though.

OK, I have now, or enough to know I got this one right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 22, 2009, 02:47:16 PM
That nice Luke seems to have kept up a running list of this thread's progress. Anyone mind if I keep it going?

First off he gave links to all the old lists, so I'll keep doing that for him:

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)


This was the list which was current when he thoughtlessly pushed off, and I've filled in the gaps. Next time round, I'll relegate this list to a link up top, like those other old ones:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224380.html#msg224380)
363 - Cardew - Schooltime Compositions - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224381.html#msg224381)
365 - Dallapiccola - Il Prigioniero - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
366 - Christian Wolff - For 1, 2 or 3 people (Paideia) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224382.html#msg224382)
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224383.html#msg224383)
368 - Babbitt - The Old Order Changeth - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224384.html#msg224384)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224385.html#msg224385)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224386.html#msg224386)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227533.html#msg227533)
374 - W Zimmermann - Paraklet - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227742.html#msg227742)
375 - N. Nabokov - Piano Sonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg228862.html#msg228862)
376 - Britten - A Ceremony of Carols - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
377 - Barth - from Giles Goat-Boy - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg234212.html#msg234212)
378 - Martinu - The Three Horsemen - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236310.html#msg236310)
379 - Bowles - Tamanar - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236786.html#msg236786)
380 - Vivier - Orion - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237119.html#msg237119)
381 - Bridge - Christmas Dance, Sir Roger de Coverley - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237787.html#msg237787)
382 - Enescu - Symphony no 2 - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
383 - Boulez - Figure, Doubles, Prismes - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237788.html#msg237788)
384 - Stravinsky - Movements - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237789.html#msg237789)
385 - Sibelius - Finlandia - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
386 - Johan Ludwig Bach - Gott ist unser Zuversicht (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237790.html#msg237790)
387 - JC Bach - Clavier concerto in B flat - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237792.html#msg237792)
388 - Lefanu - String Quartet no 2 - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237793.html#msg237793)
389 - Daniel Lesur - Elegie for two guitars - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
390 - John McCabe - Flute Concerto - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
391 - Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237794.html#msg237794)
392 - Part - Credo - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237795.html#msg237795)
393 - Harvey - Bhakti - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg237806.html#msg237806)
394 - Varese - Ameriques - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
395 - Walton - Viola Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
396 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Trio - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
397 - Liszt - Piano Concerto 1 - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238076.html#msg238076)
398 - Varese - Ionisation - (Karl)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
399 - Messiaen - Chronochromie - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)
400 - Stravinsky - Three Pieces for string quartet - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg238077.html#msg238077)

Set by Guido (fancy telling us, Guido?)
53 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg227523.html#msg227523)
54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg236955.html#msg236955)


Set by Maciek (ditto, Maciek?, want to spill the beans?)
91 - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230606.html#msg230606)
92 - Dukas - L'apprenti sorcier - (Karl) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg230710.html#msg230710)

Then there was another one by Maciek, which never made it onto a list:

93 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)

OK, now I'll spend a few minutes making up the new list, from page 210 onwards...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 22, 2009, 02:51:28 PM
Yes you are right. As I say, it's a weak piece, so there's no harm in not following it up. It was in fact his last work, the central movement of a projected 3 movement oboe concerto which was left incomplete at his death. Barber wrote it whilst suffering from the cancer that eventually killed him which may be one reason why he could not devote much energy to this composition. It sounds incomplete in its orchestration by Charles Turner, and one wonders if Barber might have added more detail if he'd had the time or energy... but the piano score is 'complete', so perhaps it was just failing creativity... this is in the context of 10 years of alcoholism, lonely seclusion and depression. He producing almost nothing during these years, though the other pieces he did produce are mostly very fine, if not at his absolute best. While the generally accepted story has it that his decline was due to the catastrophic failure of his second opera Antony and Cleopatra, in actual fact it was far more to do with his separation from Menotti and the sale of his house of 30 years called Capricorn. In the past this has rarely been discussed because Menotti was still alive, but the clues are all there in the music - see for instance To Be Sung On The Water
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 22, 2009, 02:55:33 PM
53 - its 'by' Wittgenstein, but I was wondering who he thought he was quoting. Possibly no one in which case it is his only composition!

54 - is a little musical joke by Ives entitled 'election memo' which was found amongst his papers when he died.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 22, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
OK, the new list, plus the normal links:


First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)




Set by Guido (I've renumbered these for you, Guido, because I like to keep track   $:) ::) )

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)

Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)

a few clues to the above ones (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275129.html#msg275129)

Then two batches, each united by the same type of connection
Batch 1:
426 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
Batch 2:
431 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)

...and a small clue to the above for those who care to find it... (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278779.html#msg278779)

Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Joe_Campbell on February 22, 2009, 04:09:40 PM
I'm pretty sure I get your clue, Sul G. I'm still at a loss, as it's sent me on a wild goose chase! (and that's if I interpreted it correctly, too)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 23, 2009, 03:18:17 AM
Quote from: Joe_Campbell on February 22, 2009, 04:09:40 PM
I'm pretty sure I get your clue, Sul G.

I hope so - it's quite well hidden...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on February 23, 2009, 03:39:09 AM
93 looks like Simeon ten Holt. Canto ostinato?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 23, 2009, 04:39:43 AM
Yes, it is, Dave! I found that little snippet on ten Holt's web page.

BTW, I thought you'd show up on this thread sooner or later. It's the place where (almost) all the smart people come. Welcome!

(I hope I don't get banned from the thread for adding that "almost" in brackets. I was just trying to be sensitive, you know. And I do have some new stuff to add here. As soon as I get a break from my philosophy binge, I'll try to upload them.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 23, 2009, 04:55:10 AM
I just remembered that the ones I uploaded for the (failed) facebook group are still available:

MM 94 (I hope I'm getting the numbering scheme right)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/Maciek001.jpg)

MM 95
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/Maciek002.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 23, 2009, 04:56:08 AM
MM 96
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/Maciek003.jpg)

MM 97
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/Maciek004.jpg)

MM 98
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/Maciek005.jpg)

MM 99
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/Maciek006.jpg)

99? This seems so wrong, there really should be one more. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 23, 2009, 05:16:52 AM
Indeed - it's lonely up here in treble figures!

I'm sure I've played some of those before, Maciek. I must have a little think...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 23, 2009, 07:24:35 AM
95 is the fugue from Szymanowski's Prelude and Fugue in C# minor. Do you know what gave it away? - the avvivando! - that's such a Szymanowski marking! In fact, I think a certain someone ought to change his name again....

Just tell us now to save hassle - are they all Polish, then?  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 23, 2009, 11:19:42 AM
Luke, you're of course correct.

As per your question... drum roll... No! They are not ALL Polish. How many of them AREN'T is another thing. ;D

Oh, and I loved the "treble" pun. Even if it wasn't meant as one. And even if it doesn't make much sense as one. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 23, 2009, 01:27:34 PM
There's possibly some Moszkowski in there too, or something of the sort - no 94, maybe, which looks like a Spanish Dance a la Moszkowski, though not one I can track down as yet....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 23, 2009, 03:50:50 PM
I'm not sure if this is good enough as a clue but if you think that 94 is by Moszkowski then you're in for one heck of a surprise. Because it most emphatically isn't. While I'm at it I might as well reveal that the composer of no. 94 is not Polish. He has a typically Polish surname, though. And I seem to vaguely recall that he had Polish ancestors, which would explain the surname.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 23, 2009, 04:28:15 PM
I should also add that while the piece itself (no. 94) is not by a Polish composer, it somehow refers to a Polish composer.

And that the non-Polish composer of the piece is extremely famous. Not in the "mystery scores" sense but in the real-life classical music sense.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 23, 2009, 11:42:07 PM
Ah, it's Tchaikovsky's Un Poco de Chopin op 72/15. I thought I'd seen it before....although actually I'm not sure my copy of that set is complete, so I might not have done.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 23, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
No. 94 must be Stravinsky (Polish ancestry, Polish surname).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 24, 2009, 12:29:20 AM
No, no. Luke got it right, it's the Tchaikovsky. Darn, I thought it would take him a little more time. ;D Still, one sleepless night is better than nothing, I guess. >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 24, 2009, 12:37:51 AM
Luke is always right. He's a Jedi Knight.

(Sorry for not having responded to your PM yet, Maciek - I am very busy...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:05:16 AM
Quote from: Maciek on February 24, 2009, 12:29:20 AM
No, no. Luke got it right, it's the Tchaikovsky. Darn, I thought it would take him a little more time. ;D Still, one sleepless night is better than nothing, I guess. >:D

Sorry, I slept like a baby! And once I knew it wasn't Polish - that Moszkowski look was quite convincing, at any rate - it's surprising how quickly the right piece sprang to mind. (I saw your post at 8:40 this morning and had to leave with the kids for school at 8:45, so thank goodness I got it quickly or it would have been bugging me all morning as I did the shopping!)

Strange how unlike Chopin the Tchaikovsky is; similarly, the homage to Schumann earlier in the set is not really much like that composer either. And Grieg has a 'souvenir de Chopin' (something along those lines - I'm too lazy to go and check the title) which also sounds nothing like, feels nothing like, looks nothing like. It makes you wonder (well, it makes me wonder) whether what these composers appreciated in Chopin (and Schumann) was something other than what we appreciate in them. To me, anyway, both Chopin and Schumann are explosively inventive poets, whereas if their imitations are anything to go by, to Tchaikovsky and Grieg their value seems to be something simpler. At any rate, the depth and complexity of Chopin is reimagined as simply some kind of salon charm, each bar neat, tidy and clever, but nothing poetic at all.

As I discovered yesterday, however, Moszkowski's Chopin imitation is rather more accurate - this lift from the A flat Polonaise is the beginning of the Chopin variation from Moszkowski's pretty funny and sarcastic Theme and Variations in the Styles of Different Composers (Czerny, Clementi, Bach, Brahms, Weber, Chopin, Rubinstein, Liszt  ;D ;) :



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 05:29:12 AM
Not a piece I know, but as a wild guess - is 98 Khachaturian's cello sonata?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 01:49:58 PM
Do you want some more clues, then? Bits in bold are clues I'd already given.

404 - just a small thing, this. One of its composer's more minor scores, but as he's a favourite of mine who I've set many times, it was bound to turn up here.

405 - I mock you. I ask you. Fen Buddhism?

406 - c.w. above

407 - truly visionary stuff! Again, the composer is one of those I've set a lot.

408 -  Birthplace of the Sark, and you could get there on the Snark. That's looks pretty cryptic, I guess. But it ought to be enough.

412/412a - I didn't think this would be hard. Luke set one of these before, and it looked similar. Don't forget that 412a is a homage, and it's fairly clear who to. Guido, in particular, is into these pieces.

413 - genus Dacelo, perhaps Or maybe Menura. I can keep going with these....  ;D

414 - genus Luscinia megarhynchos, certanily. The top line of the score is the big clue, but this is extremely famous. However, this particular example is not performing at 51° 30' 35 N, 0° 8' 45 W

417 - see 404. And 407.

418 - Not sure if you can read the places of composition. They are Cromer and Dartington, both in 1962, IIRC. Perhaps this, and the type of pieces here - say what you see - will be enough clue.

419 - really? You need clues?

420 - The composer is not one associated with the piano, though he is associated with Latin passion, like the dance he is attempting to recreate here.

421 - I mentioned the dedicatee of this piece not long ago on this thread. It's an early work, but interesting for showing the tiniest traces of later traits.

423 - I adore this piece, and the set it comes from. The composer also operated under a pseudonym very close to his real name, so I won't give it. And he was the teacher of one of the most important Iranian composers, apparently. More to the point, though, he was a tangential member of a much more famous school of composers, one of whom is remembered in this piece.

424 - Apparently this composer - who I've set before - once fell out of his chair laughing at this

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3d/Rhapsody_Rabbit.png/200px-Rhapsody_Rabbit.png)

425 - Really, if you know 414 you almost certainly know this. And as I've said, I once set a page from later in this same work.

Now, as for 426 onwards - I told you that I didn't want to spell it out for you, as everything you need is hiding there already. If you really need a push in the right direction, think along the lines of 423.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 24, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:05:16 AM
Sorry, I slept like a baby!

Yeah, yeah, sure, whatever you say, I believe you. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Anyway, you're right about the piece being nothing like how most people ("we") perceive Chopin. But then I don't think Tchaikovsky even liked Chopin (or am I wrong?). So was he perhaps trying to prove something with that piece? If so, I don't think it quite worked out. I thought guessing it would be at least a bit more difficult precisely because of that.

Grieg, BTW, was a big influence on Karlowicz. Not that it has anything to do with anything but I thought someone might be interested to hear. (Though perhaps someone already knew that anyway?)

I guess Chopin is to a great extent inimitable (after all, that Moszkowski, as good as it is, clearly isn't Chopin; and neither is the Schumann someone once posted here).

Now no. 98. It is, of course, a cello sonata. The composer spent the greater chunk of his life in the USA where he slowly fell into total oblivion until he was quite recently rediscovered (mainly thanks to Hyperion).

I'm a bit surprised 96 and 97 are getting so little attention. I thought there was something interesting to be found in the music itself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:22:25 PM
98 is clearly the cello sonata by Sigismond Stojowski as any fule kno.

Which means I will be able to grab a scrap of sleep, however disturbed it may be by the torments of numbers 96 and 97.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:48:27 AM
(fifth time of trying....)

407, 408, 409, 410

410 Janacek Vozpominanje (1928)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:53:26 AM
(It's only letting me post if I do it in a different window each time - that's what it seems like, anyway. How
odd)

414, 415, 416, 417



416 Medtner Sonata reminiscenza
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 15, 2009, 02:44:23 AM
Second batch

431, 432, 433




432 Koechlin? Jean Hure?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:42:05 PM
Hi - welcome to the best thread on GMG!  ;)  The first two are both correct, but unfortunately they've already been guessed, I'm afraid. There's an updated list one page ago which shows you which are left, and also my clues a few posts above this one.

However, 432 is by one of the ones you've guessed - well done!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:37:15 AM

What a fine idea!

I've just been browsing this thread and it looks like a lot of fun! And inhabited only by gentlemen and scholars, too. I also saw that you had someone called Luke Ottevanger on it once (who sound likes a fascinating and deeply attractive human being, I must say) whose musical tastes, strangely, seem to chime precisely with mine. He also had a big score collection - as do I. And a love of musical detective games - as do I. In fact, whilst I'm here, this is my vague stab in the dark at those of Luke's which were left over when he left so abruptly (the git could at least have stuck around and given you the answers). A vague stab in the dark, as I say. But 100% correct, also:

380 - Claude Vivier - Orion

383 - Boulez - Figures, Doubles, Prisms

386 - Johan Ludwig Bach - Gott ist unser Zuversicht. Obviously.

387 - JC Bach, Clavier concerto in B flat. He writes at the bottom 'I, I made this. Isn't that beautiful?' Sweet.

388 - Lefanu - String Quartet no 2

389 - Daniel Lesur - Elegie for two guitars

390 - John McCabe - Flute Concerto

392 - Part - Credo. Another brilliant clue ignored by you all ('I believe I already gave you a partial clue about this one.') That Luke was a genius!

394 - Varese - Ameriques. Cool technique here which (IIRC) he also uses in Arcana. He did tend to recycle his ideas somewhat.

So, as I was saying - Luke's musical interests, as exhibited here, seem like a very clone of mine. I hope he won't mind then - I'm sure he won't, in fact - if, in giving my own score samples, I pick up where he left off  - i.e. with no 401..........

401 and 402:
In honour of a recent birthday, let's do the Hokey Cokey - because, as the song says, 'that's what Saul about.....'




401 Mendelssohn Either fantasy in f sharp minor or the E major Sonata
402 Mendelssohn Fantasy on "The Last Rose of Summer"

But I think people have answered these already ...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:44:23 PM
Yes, as you say, they've been identified. Actually, all the ones you just got were identified by the same person, Sforzando.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
412 and 412a must be from Jatekok - I didn't realise that they were so abstractly notated

423 I imagine is from Howell's Clavichord or Lambert's Clavichord. I have still not heard either. I'll try and figue out which.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:47:41 PM
That's funny, I must know the same music as he.
412 are possibly Kurtag Jatetok? Can't possibly identify which ones though. The rather clumsy piano writing surely suggests him...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
Is the John McCabe recording good? EDIT: I notice that it isn't on a clavichord (I vaguely remember having this discussion before...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
412 and 412a must be from Jatekok - I didn't realise that they were so abstractly notated


Correct! And the piece being referred to in 412a is....?


Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
423 I imagine is from Howell's Clavichord or Lambert's Clavichord. I have still not heard either. I'll try and figue out which.

Blimey, no! This isn't playable on a clavichord - range far too big, and a clavichord can sustain like that. Did you mean another one? No matter, none of them are Howells.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
Is the John McCabe recording good? EDIT: I notice that it isn't on a clavichord (I vaguely remember having this discussion before...)

I haven't heard the McCabe as far as I remember. I have a clavichord recording, though a few numbers are left off.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:47:41 PM
That's funny, I must know the same music as he.
412 are possibly Kurtag Jatetok? Can't possibly identify which ones though. The rather clumsy piano writing surely suggests him...

You might be able identify 412a if you get the reference. 412 is played by Kurtag on a DVD I have of him - spellbinding it is too.

The 'clumsy writing' is only because of the nature of the earlier books of Jatekok; elsewhere in the collection things are notated much more 'properly'!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:52:52 PM
You might be able identify 412a if you get the reference. 412 is played by Kurtag on a DVD I have of him - spellbinding it is too.

The 'clumsy writing' is only because of the nature of the earlier books of Jatekok; elsewhere in the collection things are notated much more 'properly'!

Pleased to hear this about Kurtag
I must have seen only early books, and the sight of them put me off trying the pieces. So I should go and have a look at the more recent ones, clearly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
Guido (and everyone else) if you look at 423 carefully you will see precisely who is being remembered in the piece - it's very clear. And if you then refer back to the clue, you will find identifying the composer a little easier.

Not only that, but,, as the clues suggest, if you do this you will understand how those two later batches are linked. And you could well solve them all quite quickly. Two of the first batch, I should say, are really quite well known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Pleased to hear this about Kurtag
I must have seen only early books, and the sight of them put me off trying the pieces. So I should go and have a look at the more recent ones, clearly.

IMO - I think Guido feels the same way - the greatest piece in Jatekok is the Les Adieux in Janacek's style. I say that not as a Janacek maniac, but simply because this is the most extended example of a piece which works simply as music, not as a technical exercise or a Kurtagian 'message'. This piece is in book 6, by which book the didactic nature of the earlier pieces has been left behind.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 04:07:34 PM
Updated and TTT-ed

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)

Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)

CLUES to the above! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279582.html#msg279582)

Then two batches, each united by the same type of connection
Batch 1:
426 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
Batch 2:
431 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)

...and a small clue to the above for those who care to find it... (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278779.html#msg278779)

Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 24, 2009, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:49:44 PM

Correct! And the piece being referred to in 412a is....?


Blimey, no! This isn't playable on a clavichord - range far too big, and a clavichord can sustain like that. Did you mean another one? No matter, none of them are Howells.

Have we already had it somewhere on this thread before? I remember there being a piece with massive notes before...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 24, 2009, 04:18:35 PM
No sorry - I think its a hommage to Tchaikovsky with those huge chords at the beginning rising up like that being analogous to the first piano concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chafing Dish on February 24, 2009, 04:23:33 PM
WILD guess: is #414 Milhaud's Murder of a Great Chief of State?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 24, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 04:18:35 PM
No sorry - I think its a hommage to Tchaikovsky with those huge chords at the beginning rising up like that being analogous to the first piano concerto?

Yes! My daughter loved it when I played the Kurtag alongside a CD of the Tchaikovsky au naturel...  ;D

Quote from: Chafing Dish on February 24, 2009, 04:23:33 PM
WILD guess: is #414 Milhaud's Murder of a Great Chief of State?

That really is wild! How did you get there? It's not correct, unfortunately. This is certainly the most famous of the examples here - in fact, this particular page of the score is rather infamous. I'm pretty sure you all know it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 25, 2009, 12:25:31 AM
Has anyone guessed the Janacek (Moravian Folksongs) yet? (419)

(I really shouldn't be doing this, I don't have time! :o)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
Evidently you do, and that's the right answer. It was only what it looked like, really! I'd never want to trick you, would I...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 02:59:52 AM
I've just found the most fantastic score on IMSLP - seems to been uploaded only a few weeks ago. I'll put it up to quiz you here later on, when I'm at home, but I think there will be some pleased faces around here....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 06:48:33 AM
Here we are - an unexpected new one:

434



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 25, 2009, 06:52:03 AM
Langgaard Music of the Spheres.

I would have given the same page myself! ;D

[EDIT: Or not. On second thought, there would have been other contenders... ;D]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 07:02:05 AM
Almost every page is gorgeous, isn't it? Did you already have this one? As far as I can make out IMSLP says it was only uploaded on 30th January, but that doesn't mean anything. This is one score I didn't expect to see there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on February 25, 2009, 07:21:19 AM
Sorry, sul G, but the rest of us got there a couple of weeks ago!

Re: Langgaard's Lair
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2009, 04:22:07 AM »
The score of Music of the Spheres is available on IMSLP at

http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Langgaard%2C_Rud_Immanuel
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 07:33:42 AM
Cool - was I back here then? Yes, I think I returned a couple of days before. Why did no one post it here then?  ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 25, 2009, 09:12:37 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 25, 2009, 07:02:05 AM
Almost every page is gorgeous, isn't it? Did you already have this one? As far as I can make out IMSLP says it was only uploaded on 30th January, but that doesn't mean anything. This is one score I didn't expect to see there.

I have it too. I knew you would use it... !
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 09:14:57 AM
Am I that predictable?  :'(

OK, then this one will be easy:

435
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 09:18:19 AM
....or this one. Interesting, given the extreme contrapuntal leanings of this guy's most famous pupil, that this piece is almost entirely homophonic, with a dutiful attempt at fugato near the end.

436

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 09:26:09 AM
Because we're making such progress on the two 'batches' of piano pieces  ;D  ::)  >:D- I think you've got ample clues to get these, btw - here's a third batch. The link that unites the other batches also applies to the first of these ones, 437, but 437's link to the others is of a different though similar nature. Got that?

437, 438, 439, 440


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 09:27:27 AM
And taking these into account:

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)

Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)

CLUES to the above! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279582.html#msg279582)

Then two batches, each united by the same type of connection
Batch 1:
426 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
Batch 2:
431 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)

...and a small clue to the above for those who care to find it... (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278779.html#msg278779)

and then

434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)

...and another batch of piano pieces, as described in the previous post
437 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)


Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 25, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
# 436 Horatio Parker - A Star Song
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 10:04:49 AM
Now that's quite impressive!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 10:05:07 AM
Did I leave too many words in?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on February 25, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 25, 2009, 10:05:07 AM
Did I leave too many words in?

You did...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 25, 2009, 10:59:25 AM
435 Mussorgsky Zhenitba (The Marriage)...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 25, 2009, 10:05:07 AM
Did I leave too many words in?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on February 25, 2009, 11:36:46 AM
438 is Gershwin arr. Grainger - Love Walked in
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 11:46:37 AM
Right! Both the Gershwin and the Grainger elements are pretty clear in that one, I think. So now work on from that one to find the link with the others. Maybe even work back to the previous batches too. BTW, I have a recording of 438 played by the composer of 437. That's a nice little clue, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on February 25, 2009, 11:52:38 AM
438 is also a Gershwin tune (I forget what) but someone else's version
440 is Finnissy? (after Gershwin?)
437 looks like Ronald Stevenson.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 25, 2009, 12:01:36 PM
Yes
Yes (and Yes)
Yes

:) :)

(btw, you also said 438 for the Grainger one, but I assume you meant 439)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on February 27, 2009, 12:49:52 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 25, 2009, 10:05:07 AM
Did I leave too many words in?

Is it really so difficult to believe that I could guess an obscure, unfinished Mussorgsky opera based on a generous 17-note sample? :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on February 27, 2009, 04:28:50 AM
OK - here are a few punts ...

438 is Someone to watch over me - arranged Earl Wild (?)
439 Grainger's version of Love walked in
440 Finnissy's version of How long has this been going on (?)
437 is then presumably a Stevenson transcription - of Grainger? The ragtime girl?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on February 27, 2009, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 25, 2009, 06:48:33 AM
Here we are - an unexpected new one:

434




I knew it looked familiar. However, I never could have guessed it- at least Maciek didn't leave me wondering for all eternity.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 27, 2009, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: Dax on February 27, 2009, 04:28:50 AM
OK - here are a few punts ...

438 is Someone to watch over me - arranged Earl Wild (?)

Correct. Or, more precisely, Wild's Variations on Someone to watch over me. It's an absolutely superb piece. In this variation the theme is played up high, in an Italian quasi-mandolin trem, whilst underneath famous we hear fragments of Italian opera, as if Gondalas are passing left and right. On this page we have the end of O sole mio, a bit of the Venetian Carnival theme (you know the one, I forget it's proper name), O mio babino caro, the duet from Otello....the whole finishes off with a snatch of Nessun Dorma! A later variation is a particularly incredible melange - the theme turns into a tango, which then turns into Bach - fugue 1 from the WTC1; part of the Goldbergs (I think).... Then all three are made to coexist in a passage of strangely compelling logic!

Quote from: Dax on February 27, 2009, 04:28:50 AM
439 Grainger's version of Love walked in

Yes. I love the 'waggle' here - when played well (eg by Stevenson) it's magical!

Quote from: Dax on February 27, 2009, 04:28:50 AM
440 Finnissy's version of How long has this been going on (?)

Right idea, wrong piece

Quote from: Dax on February 27, 2009, 04:28:50 AM
437 is then presumably a Stevenson transcription - of Grainger? The ragtime girl?

It's Stevenson, and it's Gershwin related, but it isn't a transcription. The nature of the Gershwin link is important, as it's the same link as in my previous recent batches of piano pieces, and as the link in 423 - though I can't believe no one's spotted it yet, as it's blatantly in your face in 423, and as at least 2 of the first 'batch' are pretty well known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 28, 2009, 08:34:05 AM
Come on folks, to which other composer does 423 refer, and how do we know?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Chafing Dish on February 28, 2009, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: sul G on February 28, 2009, 08:34:05 AM
Come on folks, to which other composer does 423 refer, and how do we know?
Well, Alban Berg is clearly mentioned in the score, with corresponding pitches. But that doesn't indicate who the compsoer is. Are we looking at one of his students?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 28, 2009, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Chafing Dish on February 28, 2009, 11:41:42 AM
Well, Alban Berg is clearly mentioned in the score, with corresponding pitches. But that doesn't indicate who the compsoer is. Are we looking at one of his students?

Well, that's a different matter (though yes, you are). The point is, though, that you're the only person who has mentioned the fact that Berg's name is spelt out here. And the spelling out of composers' name - there's your link....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 28, 2009, 02:28:34 PM
I was looking for BACH and DSCH!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 28, 2009, 02:47:42 PM
Have to say, I can't see the BEDG (I'm guessing that the R is Ré = D). I'm probably being a dunce.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 28, 2009, 02:58:32 PM
Quote from: Guido on February 28, 2009, 02:47:42 PM
Have to say, I can't see the BEDG (I'm guessing that the R is Ré = D). I'm probably being a dunce.

B = B flat (German nomenclature) in l.h.
E next beat, l.h.
D (= R, as you say), above this in r.h.
G next beat, in l.h.

though the fact that the whole name is written below the score was supposed to help you all!

Also, of course, there's the Jawohl, Herr Hauptmann Wozzeck quotation towards the end (on the previous page there's another Wozzeck quotation, Wir arme leut, too). But it's the spelling-things-out that concerns us here and in the other batches. And in the Stevenson too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 28, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Whilst I'm at it, I never gave you this one. Same idea applies - this is a well known masterpiece:

441

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 28, 2009, 03:11:57 PM
And, hey, why not have this one too. Clues are there...

442
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on February 28, 2009, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 28, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Whilst I'm at it, I never gave you this one. Same idea applies - this is a well known masterpiece:

441

adschbeg aebe ababeg...

that must be the chamber concerto of Berg then!

Though he could at least have done: arld scheberg, at eber, alba berg.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on February 28, 2009, 03:41:32 PM
I presume he didn't like the Re, La, Sol method. A bit too French, probably....

What is lovely about this motto opening is the way the three phrases are miniature portraits of the three composers' styles - Schoenberg's a longish, divisible, differentiated motive, suitable for development; Webern's short and pithy; Berg's dreamily romantic and quasi-tonal.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 01, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
A couple more to keep us going whilst you're spelling your way through those earlier batches. These two are straightforward - not tricks or mysterious links. 444 is topical to GMG this very day.

443, 444

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 01, 2009, 11:25:06 AM
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)

Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)

CLUES to the above! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279582.html#msg279582)

Then two batches, each united by the same type of connection - which, it has been discerned, is to do with the 'spelling' of composers' names in the score
Batch 1:
426 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
Batch 2:
431 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)

and then

434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)

...and another batch of piano pieces...
437 - Stevenson - ? - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax)? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - ? - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)

441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)



Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 01, 2009, 11:46:32 AM
Why not have this one too. And be aware, with some of these last ones, that you know the sort of thing I like to set....  ;)

445
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on March 01, 2009, 07:06:13 PM
443 is the Reger Clarinet Quintet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 02, 2009, 06:49:20 AM
Spot on - and what a gorgeous piece. It's clearly in the Brahms Clarinet Quintet line - that much is too obvious to need saying. But the question is, is Reger deliberately trying to outdo Brahms in the subtle autumnal shades he coaxes from the instruments in this piece (the first movement particularly)? I've chosen the beginning of the recapitulation, simply because the two aching principle subjects are both on the same double page here.

This one dropped through my letterbox this morning....


446
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 02, 2009, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: Guido on September 16, 2008, 05:55:35 AM
(http://pics.livejournal.com/whereofthereof/pic/00007w0x)

Can anyone identify this piece of music? A real Mystery Score!

It's from Wittgenstein - the inscription suggests that he is remembering it from somewhere, but it may also be his only composition.

He was a very talented musician - had perfect pitch, played the clarinet in several ensembles and considered becoming a coductor apparently. I guess musicality ran in the family!

I think those are the bars mentioned here (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/mind-over-music-735389.html). Also check the picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Witt_composition.jpg) on the right in the Wikipedia Wittgenstein article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witgenstein#Return_to_Cambridge) and the last two sentences of that article. Apparently there's some disecrepancy as to the exact number of bars those scrawlings consist of... ::) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 02, 2009, 11:16:20 AM
Do I get a point? 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Rabbity Baxter on March 02, 2009, 02:01:24 PM
Is 446 Ornstein Piano Quintet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 02, 2009, 02:15:45 PM
No - though I did set a page of that one months ago. You can download dozens of Ornstein scores including that one at his son's website.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 02, 2009, 02:17:06 PM
Yes, it was my number 75 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg90681.html#msg90681)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 06, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Sorry if this is too easy but I couldn't think of anyone else worthy of being my number 100. 0:) Also, I happen to think that the composition in question is one of the most fascinating things ever written (played through it a couple of days ago and the impression is as strong as ever).

MM 100

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM100.gif)




MM 101

This one might seem easy enough at first. And then you might realize it can't be exactly what it seems. Or the other way around. Also, a certain person around here should be very pleased with the implication (for that person only) of my posting this score. How's that for a meaningless clue? ;D

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20score%20quiz/MM101.gif)

Do you guys need any help with my older ones or are you simply ignoring them? ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 06, 2009, 01:47:43 PM
100 is from the slow movement of Chopin's 3rd piano sonata.


(yes, it's an incredible movement, isn't it; I love this sonata!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 06, 2009, 01:51:19 PM
...and, yes, this too:

Quote from: Maciek on March 06, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Do you guys need any help with my older ones or are you simply ignoring them? ;D

Can't quite believe that the spelling-it-out pieces have stalled - especially not when at least one of them is really quite famous...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 07, 2009, 01:16:58 PM
You're right about the Chopin sonata, of course (on both counts ;)).

I was expecting some bewilderment with my no. 101 but not a total silence. :o ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 07, 2009, 01:43:37 PM
Szymanowski's violin sonata arranged for the little bass?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 07, 2009, 09:32:00 PM
Nice one, Guido - you're right!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 08, 2009, 04:33:44 AM
This makes me happy!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 08, 2009, 04:36:57 AM
Well, an arrangement of Szymanowski's Violin Sonata for piano and a singing fish:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Genyonemus_lineatus_mspc102.jpg)

would be something, wouldn't it?

But no, in this case it's just a simple ol' cello.

Arranged by Kazimierz Wiłkomirski (Wanda Wiłkomirska's half-brother, IIRC).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 08, 2009, 04:39:56 AM
Oh, wait, now I get it! You were implying the little bass plays the cello!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 08, 2009, 04:52:44 AM
violon=bass
cello=little

violoncello = little bass
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 08, 2009, 04:56:58 AM
That won't work on me. I know it's a fish, OK?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 08, 2009, 05:01:31 AM
Curses, you saw through my insidious plan. Foiled again!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 08, 2009, 12:17:16 PM
I'm afraid this reticence on my previous scores leaves me no alternative. I will continue to ply you with new ones. Now, as with one of my most recent ones, some of these have current relevance on the board, being the subject of threads of the last couple of days. So, the longer they are left the harder they will be to track down....

447, 448, 449, 450
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 08, 2009, 12:18:36 PM
451, 452, 453, 454
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 08, 2009, 12:20:59 PM
455, 456
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 08, 2009, 04:10:21 PM
I must say my 455 is just a jewel of a piece, a flawless exquisite gem - so fresh, genuinely inspired and contemporary sounding, yet from a most unlikely source, almost as if the composer wrote it in spite of himself. It's pretty well-known within its genre, too. Once it's identified I ought to make sure you can all hear it too....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 09, 2009, 11:17:11 AM
And maybe just to give a little kickstart to those new ones:

447 - quite well known composer, I have spoken to her on the phone.
448 - Maciek ought to know, though I used to live nearer this composer than he may have done...
449 - very famous composer, this piece (part of) the subject of a recent thread
450 - very famous composer
451 - very famous composer
452 - discussed recently on current thread
453 - fairly famous composer
454 - discussed recently on current thread
455 - fairly famous composer
456 - famous composer, the instrumentation is the key here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 09, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)

Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)

CLUES to the above! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279582.html#msg279582)

Then two batches, each united by the same type of connection - which, it has been discerned, is to do with the 'spelling' of composers' names in the score
Batch 1:
426 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
Batch 2:
431 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)

and then

434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)

...and another batch of piano pieces...
437 - Stevenson - ? - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax)? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - ? - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)

441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - ? -  (//http://)
448 - ? -  (//http://)
449 - ? -  (//http://)
450 - ? -  (//http://)
451 - ? -  (//http://)
452 - ? -  (//http://)
453 - ? -  (//http://)
454 - ? -  (//http://)
455 - ? -  (//http://)
456 - ? -  (//http://)


Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 09, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Ha, ha, ha! I love it how you always give the same clue for Panufnik (448)! ;D

I don't recognize the piece but I'll see what piano recordings I have and do some checking.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 09, 2009, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: Maciek on March 09, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Ha, ha, ha! I love it how you always give the same clue for Panufnik (448)! ;D

Well, firstly it's clearly the most important biographical fact about him. And secondly, we need to get some impetus with the old identification!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 11, 2009, 12:13:41 PM
In honour of the thread du jour, a few more. Some of these are sickeningly easy, and I haven't even attempted to erase any clues, so it's first come first served. And there's one hiding in there that doesn't belong.

457, 458, 459, 460
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 11, 2009, 12:14:49 PM
461, 462, 463, 464

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 11, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
465, 466, 467

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 02:02:24 AM
 :o ??? Shocked and surprised. Most of these are easier than easy, honestly. Just remember what the most active thread was yesterday...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 12, 2009, 06:18:10 AM
457 Wind Quintet
461 Serenade
463 String Trio

All by Schoenberg. I feel guilty trying to get these as I have't even heard the scores...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 06:21:53 AM
461 isn't the Serenade - and on this one (and this one only) I must admit to a little bit of trickery. We can't have them too easy, can we? But yes, it is by Schoenberg, as are all but one of these new ones. And it's one of his best-known scores. So not that much trickery.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 06:27:29 AM
As a string player you owe it to yourself to hear the String Trio. It's one of the great chamber pieces, full stop, and at the time it was written must have been among the most extreme string writing around (one of the lesser-remembered innovatory sides to Schoenberg's little collection of innovatory sides, this). So grab a copy of the score, too. The page I quote was chosen not for the technical challenges - it's not one of the harder ones - but because it includes a bit of everything, including one of the magically lyrical and virtually tonal passages with which this mostly rebarbative score soothes the ear now and then.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 12, 2009, 06:45:14 AM
Am listening to it as we speak courtesy of the Schoenberg website... This is a fantastic piece - not sure what's so extreme about it (or were you talking about extremeness with regards to difficulty?) It doesn't even sound that dissonant, compared to some nomically tonal music that I have heard. And those gorgeous interludes you mention... 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 06:50:18 AM
Quote from: Guido on March 12, 2009, 06:45:14 AM
(or were you talking about extremeness with regards to difficulty?)

This. In the case of my last post, anyway. It is, however, extreme in its intensity, don't you think - the expressionism of the pre-12-tone days rearing up again in a frightening way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on March 12, 2009, 09:20:11 AM

457 has to be the wind quintet (slow movement?)
458 -- survivor from Warsaw
461 -- Variations for Orchestra, op. 31?
463 -- String trio
466 -- Chamber Symphony, op. 9, opening of the slow movement. This I'm sure of.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on March 12, 2009, 09:20:11 AM
457 has to be the wind quintet (slow movement?)
Yes, but unfortunately Guido got this one

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on March 12, 2009, 09:20:11 AM
458 -- survivor from Warsaw
Yes - I thought leaving the text in would make this among the first to go!

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on March 12, 2009, 09:20:11 AM
461 -- Variations for Orchestra, op. 31?
No, though that was one I set a few weeks ago.

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on March 12, 2009, 09:20:11 AM
463 -- String trio
Yes, but Guido got that one too, I'm afraid.

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on March 12, 2009, 09:20:11 AM
466 -- Chamber Symphony, op. 9, opening of the slow movement. This I'm sure of.
Yes. A sublime page, this, and the following ones too. (And the rest, to be honest). In the first bar quoted we see the end of the previous section and, typical of Schoenberg, almost all themes in play at once, plus the fourths from the opening which then dominate this transition. Sublime, as I say.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on March 12, 2009, 09:29:11 AM
I know Guido got 'em. But I was in too much of a hurry to check his ones off my list. After all they're easy, and any time wasted means that someone else might get in there and claim the others first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 09:30:00 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 09:30:36 AM
BTW, I set one of these pieces before, but a long, long time ago.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 12, 2009, 03:47:32 PM
Continuing my theme of being inspired by current GMG threads....

468
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 12, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: sul G on March 12, 2009, 09:23:37 AM
Yes, but unfortunately Guido got this one

Yes, but Guido got that one too, I'm afraid.

Charming!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 27, 2009, 05:30:26 AM
MM 102

In 1909, upon inpsecting this score as a judge in a competition, Busoni assumed it could only have been written by Schoenberg (he later wrote to Schoenberg about it). He was wrong, this was in fact a "school piece" written by a completely different composer, several years earlier, when this composer was a student. The piece did in fact receive a prize during the competition, though, if I understand the book I am reading correctly, it was the last, 10th prize (there were 871 or 874 entrants).

That's right, no actual score to go with this one! >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 27, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Szymanowski, Prelude and Fugue.

I can't quite believe how little success there was on my ones, especially as some are really famous. I will have to post some answers soon, I suppose.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 27, 2009, 02:06:11 PM
Something about 468 looks vaguely Enescian, though there's that massive chord in the centre which couldn't be played by a violin (though of course he wrote in a fair amount of 6 note chords in his violin pieces) so might it be a viola piece? This is a complete stab in the dark.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 27, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
You have latched onto the big clue with that one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 27, 2009, 02:09:19 PM
Not Enescu, though
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 27, 2009, 02:10:53 PM
guitar is the obvious next candidate then...

desperate to know 449 and 455 - these look very intriguing!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 27, 2009, 02:14:07 PM
You were lovely and close with viola, lovely indeed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 27, 2009, 02:25:08 PM
Viola d'amore? The Hindemith and Casadesus concertos are too small scale for the scoring here - could it be Villa Lobos' Amazonas? Or knowing your particular penchent for a certain composer it could be from Katya? Again just flailing around in the dark!!

March the 12 isn't so current anymore... an issue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 27, 2009, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: Guido on March 27, 2009, 02:25:08 PM
Viola d'amore? The Hindemith and Cadesus concertos are too small scale for the scoring here - could it be Villa Lobos' Amazonas? Or knowing your particular penchent for a certain composer it could be from Katya? Again just flailing around in the dark!!

March the 12 isn't so current anymore... an issue.

I know - should've grabbed it sooner! Yes, it's viola d'amore, but none of the above.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 27, 2009, 02:34:48 PM
La mort de Tintagiles!!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 27, 2009, 02:37:59 PM
B.I.N.G.O.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 28, 2009, 04:19:50 AM
Quote from: sul G on March 27, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Szymanowski, Prelude and Fugue.

Cribbing again, I suppose? Stop looking over my shoulder! >:(

(Seriously, Luke, your abilities are uncanny! I give up. I'll remain a humble bystander from now on. No more scores from me. :'( :'( :'()
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 28, 2009, 04:24:56 AM
Oh, alright, alright. One more try.

MM 103

Szymanowski had this to say of the piece in question:

...is an unbelievably disgusting piece of music, it's not even possible to find a word insulting enough to describe it. [...] it is as if someone invited people to a banquet and instead of giving them oysters and champagne - served them sh**! (excuse my vulgar metaphors!)

No score again... 0:)

(I might add one later, if it's necessary and I find one available online.)

[EDIT: further clues: a very large work, it was usually performed with cuts and a full version had not been recorded until 1991. It was the composer's last work - completed many years before his death. There's no scherzo. It commemorates the January Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Uprising). I'm adding an image below - if you can figure out the abbreviations, the instrumentation could perhaps provide some clues:]

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM103.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM103.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 28, 2009, 04:23:28 PM
Clues for mine 96, 97, 99:

one is by a very famous pianist of a very famous symphony
one is by a very famous violinist-composer of a very famous opera
and one is by a chap who once "stole" a libretto idea from Puccini (later got a congratulatory note from Puccini for managing to actually write an opera on the subject); friends called him Lura; as a small boy, he made a heartless, rude remark to the young Artur Rubinstein (and Rubinstein had a good memory)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 28, 2009, 04:37:16 PM
Clearly Padarewski's Symphony.  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 03:46:04 AM
Yes, "clearly". ;D

It does actually work more or less well when taken in separate doses, as if it was a series of three symphonic poems rather than one monstrous symphony. Though perhaps I shouldn't be using the word "monstrous" in connection to a piece that's merely 70 minutes long. After all, I'm in the place where confirmed Brianites dwell... ;D ;D ;D

But then Szymanowski had other axes to grind: it was all about aesthetic ideals and the way old-fashioned, academic compositions such as "Polonia" were preventing Polish music from development. And the rather shallow and banal understing of patriotism presented by Paderewski and his ilk, whose idea of "national" Polish music was that it had to consist of a series of obereks, polonaises and mazurkas, preferably trimmed at the edges a bit, to fit a "civilized" a picture of what music should sound like.

Truth to tell, I hardly ever return to Paderewski's Symphony, and the impression is never very good. While, OTOH, I return to Szymanowski all the time, and even the earlier, less original pieces, always have some impact on me. However, there are also a couple of Paderewski pieces (admittedly, much shorter ones) I do listen to with pleasure - the quality of the pleasure may not quite reach the levels of my Szymanowski experiences but it's definitely pleasure of the same kind.

There. End of rant-slash-confession.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 03:47:59 AM
Oh, and if anyone was wondering: I am not obsessed with Szymanowski's Prelude and Fugue. In fact, I've never heard the piece or even tried to play it. I just thought that that was a curious little anecdote. ;D Didn't expect it to get guessed so soon. :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 29, 2009, 05:59:33 AM
You should stop talking down Szymanowski's early pieces! Original ain't everything you know! The violin sonata is magnificent!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 29, 2009, 07:35:22 AM
Yeah, Maciek - stop dissin' all those Polish dudes, man!  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 11:05:57 AM
Ha, ha, ha - that's me told! :D

Seriously, though, you know me guys. I have no love for Polish composers...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 11:10:24 AM
And just so you get the full picture:

Item no. 1:
Quote from: Maciek on February 07, 2009, 03:56:48 AM
First of all, "early" Szymanowski would have to mean pieces written in the period between the late 1890s until about 1912 (Love Songs of Hafiz op. 26, completed in 1914, is usually considered the first piece of his "mature" period). Second of all, harmonically, the very earliest Szymanowski pieces (especially the Preludes and Etudes) were among the most adventurous music written at that time (and quite similar to Scriabin), there wasn't a trace of conservatism about them. Paradoxically, it wasn't until Szymanowski embarked on his studies with Noskowski (1901-1904), that a sort of retrograde movement could be noticed in his development. It took about 10 years to shake off Noskowski's "conservative" influence (those masterly yet annoying double fugues etc.). After that, he was again as innovative as possible - think about the novelty of some of the "middle period" pieces: the Violin Concerto, Metopes, Myths, Masques. His harmonic (atonal!) inventiveness can only be compared to that displayed, earlier - by Debussy, and later - by Bartok. And then, the middle "period" only lasted a couple of years, because at the end of World War I Szymanowski was already starting to develop a new aesthetic which would unite folk elements with a "constructivist" architecture.

Item no. 2:
Quote from: Maciek
I'm still keeping my recording of the Paderewski 'Polonia' Symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 11:56:07 AM
Are those fugues really annoying? I think I went a bit too far over there. OTOH, not as far yet as Szymanowski on Paderewski... >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 29, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
That's a nicely written and pithy little piece on early Szymanowski, cheers! I really want to hear myths now!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 02:42:33 PM
Thanks. I can take the credit for the wording, which is mine (of course), but I'm no Szymanowski scholar - the content is all gleaned from things I've been reading recently. In that particular case I think everything can be tracked to one source: Zielinski's extremely enthusiastic monograph. His writing is very convincing and his attitude is infectious, you want to go out and get every single Szymanowski piece recorded.

Myself, I can only, and rather vaguely, recognize and grasp a composer's "harmonic inventiveness" when someone points at it with his finger and explains. Zielinski is good at that. He's also good at giving a "general perspective": constantly makes the reader aware of what other great composers where doing at the time Szymanowski was composing this or that piece; and Szymanowski always appears to be at least a step ahead of the others. ;D

Oh, and BTW: the Myths are there. :-X

[Afterthought addendum: There's supposed to be a very good book on Szymanowski in English, by Alistair Whightman, who has also written a decent book on Mieczysław Karłowicz. I haven't read the Szymanowski book. I have the Polish edition of the Karlowicz - but have only read bits of it. The Polish edition is slightly cut anyway (background stuff obvious to Polish readers).]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on March 31, 2009, 02:05:34 AM
OK, here's an updated list. And look carefully, because it includes, in CAPS, the answers to those of mine that have been around longest. There are some very famous pieces here, and of course my clues were utterly magnificent too - shame on you!

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)

Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - TIPPETT - LITTLE MUSIC FOR STRING ORCHESTRA - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - BRITTEN - CURLEW RIVER - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - BRITTEN - SPRING SYMPHONY - (REVEALED BY LUKE) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - TIPPETT - THE VISION OF ST AUGUSTINE - (REVEALED BY LUKE) - this page is the vision itself, folks! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - STRAVINSKY - DUMBARTON OAKS - (REVEALED BY LUKE) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - SCULTHORPE - KAKADU - (REVEALED BY LUKE) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - RESPIGHI - PINES OF ROME - (nightingale section) - (REVEALED BY LUKE) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - TIPPETT - STRING QUARTET NO 3 - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - MAXWELL DAVIES - FIVE LITTLE PIANO PIECES - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - PUCCINI - TANGO - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - JANACEK - 'ZDENKA' VARIATIONS - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - JELLINEK - ZWOLFTONWERK OP 15 - TOCCATA FUNEBRE - (REVEALED BY LUKE) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - KORNGOLD - VIOLIN CONCERTO - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - RESPIGHI - ROMAN FESTIVALS (lion's dinner-time section) - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)

CLUES to the above, NOW RENDERED SUPERFLUOUS! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279582.html#msg279582)

Then two batches, each united by the same type of connection - which, it has been discerned, is to do with the 'spelling' of composers' names in the score

Batch 1 - THE COMPOSER'S NAME BEING SPELT OUT HERE IS 'HAYDN'; THE DEBUSSY AND RAVEL PIECES ARE WELL-KNOWN (I THOUGHT):
426 - DUKAS - PRELUDE ELEGIAQUE (SUR LE NOM DE HAYDN) - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - DEBUSSY - HOMAGE A HAYDN  - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - RAVEL - MENUET SUR LE NOM DE HAYDN - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - HAHN - THEME VARIE SUR LE NOM DE HAYDN - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - D'INDY - MENUET SUR LE NOM DE HAYDN - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)

Batch 2: - THE COMPOSER'S NAME BEING SPELT OUT HERE IS 'FAURE'; THE RAVEL PIECE IS THE BEST KNOWN HERE:
431 - RAVEL - BERCUSE SUR LE NOM DE GABRIEL FAURE - (REVEALED BY LUKE) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - KOECHLIN -  CHORAL SUR LE NON DE FAURE - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - SCHMIDT -  HOMAGE SUR LE NOM DE GABRIEL FAURE - (REVEALED BY LUKE) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)

and then

434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)

...and another batch of piano pieces...
437 - Stevenson - PRELUDETTE ON THE NAME GEORGE GERSHWIN - (REVEALED BY LUKE, but almost got by Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax)? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - BOY WANTED - (REVEALED BY LUKE, but again almost identified by Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)

No more revelations on the following missing ones, as I haven't given clues yet. Maybe I'll do that in a few minutes.

441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - ? (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
457 - Schoenberg - Wind Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
458 - Schoenberg - Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
459 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - ?  - (Guido)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
463 - Schoenberg - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
466 - Schoenberg - Chamber Symhpony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
468 - Loeffler - La mort de Tintagiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg285146.html#msg285146)


Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on March 31, 2009, 02:49:56 AM
Larry is no longer contributing which I think is a big issue...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on March 31, 2009, 03:45:44 AM
Quote from: Guido on March 31, 2009, 02:49:56 AM
Larry is no longer contributing which I think is a big issue...

Aye, Larry is missed!

Quote from: sul G on March 31, 2009, 02:05:34 AM
405 - BRITTEN - CURLEW RIVER - (REVEALED BY LUKE)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)

Tchah!  And I ought to have known this 'un.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 01, 2009, 01:27:46 AM
Quote from: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 02:42:33 PM
[Afterthought addendum: There's supposed to be a very good book on Szymanowski in English, by Alistair Whightman, who has also written a decent book on Mieczysław Karłowicz. I haven't read the Szymanowski book. I have the Polish edition of the Karlowicz - but have only read bits of it. The Polish edition is slightly cut anyway (background stuff obvious to Polish readers).]

What's your opinion of the Szymanowski book by Jim Samson (the Chopin scholar; and before you say anything you need to know that he marked my Janacek dissertation at university very generously, so I won't hear a word against him)? I think it's really a very good book indeed, full of Samson's usual getting-down-to-the-nitty-gritty harmonic exposes etc. But I don't have anything else to compare it to.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 01, 2009, 01:50:36 AM
I thought you weren't meant to know who marked your dissertation? What was your title?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 01, 2009, 02:01:12 AM
I'm not sure if I was meant to know or not; I'm sure I was told, actually, after the event, by my DOS, because I also know who marked my compositions (Robin, Sandy and Peter Dickinson, the first two liking it a lot, the last one less so). But whether I was supposed to or not, I'd know in the case of my dissertation in any case, because Robin wrote a letter to Jim Samson - saying, basically, 'I've already marked this so take your time; your new faculty [Exeter] looks great' - and it was still inside when the thing was returned to me.

The dissertation was about the development of Janacek's thought and his music in relation to aesthetic theories of the time; I can't remember the title offhand!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 01, 2009, 04:16:45 AM
Wow, in England you don't know who gives you your marks? How are you supposed get back at them afterwards? ;D

Does DOS stand for "Dean of Studies" or something like that? (That's my guess but no dictionary confirms it...) Or do you mean DOS as opposed to Windows? I quite liked it, actually, none of that fancy graphical interface, no mouse cables, good fun. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 01, 2009, 04:27:57 AM
Wait a minute, where was I? Oh, Jim Samson. Don't know his book. I only know a couple of Polish books on Szymanowski (there are quite a few, as you can imagine). Currently reading the definitive monograph by Teresa Chylinska - came out at the end of last year, 3 thick, large volumes. She quotes Wightman (sorry for the typo in his name earlier on :-[) quite often. She does quote Samson on occasion as well. So it can't be a bad book. ;D However, judging by the number of index entries for each author, the ratio of quotations is about 4:1, so Wightman is still recommended. ;D

(Of couse, what she quotes are their interpretations and musical analyses, she does not use them as source material. Ought to be obvious but wanted to state it clearly, just in case. 0:))

Chylinska gives a dizzying amount of biographical detail. But so far (slowly approaching the end of volume 1) I think I liked Zielinski's book much better. But then I generally like his music writing. His book about 20th century idioms was my theoretical introduction to contemporary music so it holds a special place in my heart. I also enjoyed his Chopin monograph. Have yet to read his old book on Bartok (one of his first books, I guess).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on April 01, 2009, 04:44:16 AM
Wightman is OK as is Samson. Both are worth reading. Neither offered the particular kind of detail which I was after, however. But that's probably just me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 01, 2009, 04:52:56 AM
Quote from: Dax on April 01, 2009, 04:44:16 AM
Wightman is OK

That's about what I would expect based on my experience with his Karlowicz book. Interesting but very sketchy.

But at least Chylinska quotes his opinions (approx.) 21 times. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 01, 2009, 05:00:44 AM
Oh, and BTW, there's an even newer book (than Chylinska's). If I understand the description correctly, it's devoted almost exclusively to King Roger. On my "to read" list. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 01, 2009, 05:26:04 AM
Quote from: Maciek on April 01, 2009, 04:16:45 AM
Does DOS stand for "Dean of Studies" or something like that? (That's my guess but no dictionary confirms it...) Or do you mean DOS as opposed to Windows? I quite liked it, actually, none of that fancy graphical interface, no mouse cables, good fun. ;D

Close! Director of Studies - at Cambridge and Oxford (elsewhere too I imagine), this is the head honcho in your subject at your college, who interviews you, organises who will supervise you etc. etc. At Kings', mine was John 'Mr Wagner' Deathridge, but he left for KCL after a couple of years so in my final year my stand-in DOS was W Dean Sutcliffe (the Haydn/Scarlatti expert) from St Catherines.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 03, 2009, 03:34:00 AM
Speaking of which, I got the first review yesterday. But I can't go into any details here, in the open - who knows who reads these forums? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 06, 2009, 12:41:31 PM
From Suggested pastimes for bored GMGers: hijack a thread and then watch it drown.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 06, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
Glug, glug, glug......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 06, 2009, 10:18:51 PM
Wheeee! This is fun!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 12, 2009, 02:34:34 AM
Quote from: Maciek on March 29, 2009, 03:46:04 AM
It does actually work more or less well when taken in separate doses, as if it was a series of three symphonic poems rather than one monstrous symphony. Though perhaps I shouldn't be using the word "monstrous" in connection to a piece that's merely 70 minutes long. After all, I'm in the place where confirmed Brianites dwell... ;D ;D ;D

And never you forget it.

Quote from: Maciek on April 01, 2009, 04:52:56 AM
That's about what I would expect based on my experience with his Karlowicz book. Interesting but very sketchy.

Wightman's book was, indirectly, my introduction to Karlowicz. Someone made a programme on Dutch radio about Karlowicz (second half 'nineties), which was based on Wightman's book. When I heard the music (Salwarowski's performances), I was sold. Later I borrowed Wightman's book from the Royal Library in The Hague. It didn't make much of an impression I must admit, though I did learn from it that Szymanowsky didn't just 'happen'. Which was useful.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 04:31:04 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 12, 2009, 02:34:34 AM
I did learn from it that Szymanowsky didn't just 'happen'.

That's true from a sort of "historical" perspective. In the sense that you can line up the two composers and say "the sort of thing that Karlowicz did is taken further (and then abandoned completely) by Szymanowski". But in a "real" sense there is no connection. Karlowicz was only 6 years older than Szymanowski and by the time Karlowicz reached full (musical) maturity Szymanowski was already writing works which were just as "advanced" (and they were all certainly more daring, from the very start). And in terms of imagination, creativity, sensitivity and, ultimately, craftsmanship - they were worlds apart. Karlowicz was certainly a very good, very interesting composer and he is fascinating in many ways (not just as a musician). But Szymanowski was one of the "20th century greats" who really pushed the limits (his violin works!!!) and can be safely put alongside Bartok, Ravel or Stravinsky (etc.). Even if that's not the way he's customarily approached - but that's simply because he has never become really widely known (and/or understood) outside of Poland. Most people abroad "discover" Szymanowski (if they ever do) only after they've made acquaintance with the music of those three just mentioned (and others) - and they seem unable to view Szymanowski's music on its own but rather see it through the music of others. So instead of accepting the fact that Szymanowski never wanted to write "like Strauss" and therefore never did (even the Concert Overture has an undeniable Szymanowski watermark), they perceive his early symphonic writing as failed attempts at imitating Strauss (??). Or they fail to notice that while Szymanowski's music may indeed be similar to Bartok's, it is mainly in the sense that Szymanowski influenced the Hungarian composer (Bartok was an avid Szymanowski admirer). Or they are mysteriously blind to the fact that Szymanowski's violin writing was unlike anything else, completely unprecedented, that he singlehandedly (oh, alright, with a little help from Kochanski) created a new way of composing for the instrument. Instead, they "hear" a bit of Stravinsky here, a bit of Bartok there, some Debussy or Ravel in the piano music (but, oddly enough, rarely Chopin!?) etc., etc., etc. Which is often "true" but also wrong in, oh, so many ways!

Man, am I going through a Szymanowski phase or what? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 04:38:09 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 12, 2009, 02:34:34 AM
. . . though I did learn from it that Szymanowsky didn't just 'happen'.

No, only the Suuuuper Geeeniuses 'just happen'  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 15, 2009, 04:39:56 AM
Quote from: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 04:31:04 AM
Man, am I going through a Szymanowski phase or what? ;D

I am glad you are - thank you for correcting me so eloquently!!

[OT- met someone Polish yesterday who recommended the author Pawel Huelle to me. You know him?]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 04:52:52 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 15, 2009, 04:39:56 AM
I am glad you are - thank you for correcting me so eloquently!!

Not really correcting... ;D Just setting apart the two senses of the connection (I've called Karlowicz something along the lines of "the missing link" as well (somewhere on GMG)). 0:)

Quote from: Jezetha on April 15, 2009, 04:39:56 AM
[OT- met someone Polish yesterday who recommended the author Pawel Huelle to me. You know him?]

OT? Wait? So this isn't the "Polish culture thread"?? ??? ;D

Huelle is considered one of the best contemporary writers. Personally, I'm not fond of his books. But then my general opinion of Polish modern literature, especially post-1989, is not very high. :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 04:55:08 AM
I have an idea! Let's push this thread off the cliff completely. It seems the original topic has long been forgotten anyway. >:D
























MM104

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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on April 15, 2009, 05:07:25 AM
Quote from: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 04:31:04 AM
Man, am I going through a Szymanowski phase or what? ;D

Or just giving credit where credit is due?

Driads and Pan, by the way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 05:11:38 AM
Quote from: Dax on April 15, 2009, 05:07:25 AM
Or just giving credit where credit is due?

I confess I sometimes like to think that's the case... 0:)

Quote from: Dax on April 15, 2009, 05:07:25 AM
Driads and Pan, by the way.

Am I not getting a bit predictable? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 05:16:54 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 05:20:40 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 05:23:12 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 15, 2009, 05:32:06 AM
Henning joins the fray!!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 05:33:52 AM
.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 05:38:24 AM
Quote from: Guido on April 15, 2009, 05:32:06 AM
Henning joins the fray!!!!

:)

Afterwards, I should really bring my example-numeration into compliance . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 05:41:31 AM
Do I see Bartok's Allegro barbaro?

More of these seem familiar but my brain doesn't seem to work properly today... ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 05:46:25 AM
Quote from: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 05:41:31 AM
Do I see Bartok's Allegro barbaro?

Which one?  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 05:47:34 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 15, 2009, 05:46:25 AM
Which one?  ;)

B ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 05:48:24 AM
And that last one is Valse triste? (Sibelius)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 05:54:49 AM
Both correct, Maciek!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 06:00:33 AM
I have (several times) tried to play the Allegro barbaro (and failed). But I've never seen the score of Valse triste before. I feel satisfied. 8)

;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 06:06:57 AM
Hey not fair! Wait till I'm here will you? I haven't seen any of Karl's except the first one yet, because I haven't flicked on to the last page, but that first one is Albeniz, the first movement of the Suite Espanole. More usualy heard in a guitar transcription.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 06:08:13 AM
the third one is Prokofiev's op 11 Toccata, and the one after that is Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 06:09:35 AM
Knew all these should be corn to your sickle, Luke  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 06:10:20 AM
Sorry, the Albeniz is the fifth movement, Asturias.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 06:12:46 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 06:10:20 AM
Sorry, the Albeniz is the fifth movement, Asturias.

Yes, also subtitled (or also titled?) Leyenda.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on April 15, 2009, 06:13:10 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 06:08:13 AM
the third one is Prokofiev's op 11 Toccata, and the one after that is Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead....

Bah! You beat me to the 'Isle of the Dead'...  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 06:14:04 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on April 15, 2009, 06:13:10 AM
Bah! You beat me to the 'Isle of the Dead'...  :'(

Aye, our Luke is a consuming fire, Johan!  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 06:29:45 AM
Ah! I could have got the Prokofiev but I was too lazy to get up and check... ::)

Still, I'm satisfied. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 06:40:17 AM
Two here
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 06:44:43 AM
And two more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on April 15, 2009, 06:51:29 AM
I am gratified to see that Karl has used one of the Ruckert-Lieder by Gustav Mahler!

And Karl, it is a rule that all composers with Germanic names absolutely MUST compose a song with a "Lindenbaum" reference!

So get busy!   0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 06:54:52 AM
Quote from: Cato on April 15, 2009, 06:51:29 AM
I am gratified to see that Karl has used one of the Ruckert-Lieder by Gustav Mahler!

The first Mahler score I studied, at the suggestion of Judith Shatin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on April 15, 2009, 07:01:05 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 15, 2009, 06:54:52 AM
The first Mahler score I studied, at the suggestion of Judith Shatin.

Where did you find that page?  I was at first not sure because of the Italianate markings ("Voce"  "Arpa") until I "listened" mentally: I believe my score (not available right now) is a German one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 07:03:31 AM
This (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298940.html#msg298940) I considered a challenge to myself, to find a passage which was not an outright giveaway . . . .

Quote from: Cato on April 15, 2009, 07:01:05 AM
Where did you find that page?  I was at first not sure because of the Italianate markings ("Voce"  "Arpa") until I "listened" mentally: I believe my score (not available right now) is a German one.

Looks like a Dover reprint of an edition from Leipzig . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 07:04:44 AM
Damn, missed those ones too - the first one is Chopin's A minor Prelude
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 07:08:04 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 07:04:44 AM
Damn, missed those ones too - the first one is Chopin's A minor Prelude

Yes;  I love the churning chromatic neighbor-tones, and how it doesn't start in A Minor.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 07:08:21 AM
Oh, and the one underneath the Rachmaninov is from Pierrot Lunaire, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 07:10:45 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 07:08:21 AM
Oh, and the one underneath the Rachmaninov is from Pierrot Lunaire, of course.

Not that there was any way for it not to be a giveaway to you, mi amico!  :)

(Valse de Chopin)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 07:11:48 AM
Penultimate one is a Palestrina motet (Sicut cervus/Psalm 41)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 07:12:55 AM
Yes, Maciek.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on April 15, 2009, 07:14:43 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 07:08:21 AM
Oh, and the one underneath the Rachmaninov is from Pierrot Lunaire, of course.

The other rule is, whenever a performer complains about your Flute/Clarinet/etc. part in your composition, you pull out your copy of Pierrot Lunaire and say: "Aber, mein Herr, der gute Schoenberg...  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 07:30:36 AM
Too much fun, can't stop yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
Two more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:01:36 AM
 -
- Holst, The Planets, Saturn
- Shostakovich, Seventh Symphony
- Wagner, Parsifal Prelude
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:05:22 AM
ooops, forgot to fit in the first one! It's a little known number called the Eroica Symphony by one Ludwig van Beethoven.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:06:09 AM
And yes, it is fun, isn't it!  :D :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:05:22 AM
ooops, forgot to fit in the first one! It's a little known number called the Eroica Symphony by one Ludwig van Beethoven.

Drat! That C Major episode didn't throw you in the least!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:28:33 AM
OK, if we're going to continue with GMG's Finest Thread©, we'd better get things straight:

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)

Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - Tippet - Little Music - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - Britten - Curlew River - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - Britten - Spring Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - Tippett - The Vision of St Augustine - (revealed by Luke) - this page is the vision itself, folks! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - Stravinsky - Dumbarton Oaks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - Sculthorpe - Kakadu - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - Respighi - Pines of Rome - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - Tippett - Quartet no 3 - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - Maxwell Davies - Five Little Piano Pieces - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - Puccini - Tango - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - Janacek - 'Zdenka' Variations - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - Jellinek - Zwolftonwerk op 15 - Toccata Funebre - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - Korngold - Violin Concerto - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - Respighi - Roman Festivals - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
426 - Dukas - Prelude Elegiaque (sur le nom de Haydn) - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - Debussy - Homage a Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - Ravel - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - Hahn - Theme varie sur le nom de Haydn - revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - D'Indy - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
431 - Ravel - Berceuse sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - Koechlin - Choral sur le nom de Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - Schmidt - Homage sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)
437 - Stevenson - Preludette on the name George Gershwin - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - Boy Wanted - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - ? (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
457 - Schoenberg - Wind Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
458 - Schoenberg - Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
459 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - ?  - (Guido)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
463 - Schoenberg - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
466 - Schoenberg - Chamber Symhpony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
468 - Loeffler - La mort de Tintagiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg285146.html#msg285146)


Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)
104 - Szymanowski - Myths (Dryads and Pan) - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298914.html#msg298914)

Set by Karl
2 (bet you don't remember setting one before Karl, do you? but my records show otherwise!!  ;D ) - Albeniz - Asturias - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298927.html#msg298927)
3 - Bartok - Allegro Barbaro - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298929.html#msg298929)
4 - Prokofiev - Toccata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298930.html#msg298930)
5 - Rachmaninov - Isle of the Dead - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298939.html#msg298939)
6 - Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298940.html#msg298940)
7 - Sibelius - Valse Triste - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298944.html#msg298944)
8 - Chopin - Prelude (A minor) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
9 - Mahler - Ruckert Lieder - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
10 - Palestrina - Sicut cervus - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
11 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
12 - Beethoven - Eroica - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
13 - Holst - The Planets - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
15 - Wagner - Parsifal Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:29:29 AM
...and yes, I know I owe you some clues. If we're going to get going again, perhaps it's worth my while to think some up...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 08:32:34 AM
Quote from: Luke non Saul(bet you don't remember setting one before Karl, do you? but my records show otherwise!!)

I remember doing so, but don't remember what  8)

Interesting that [12] is still at large.  Another one I expected Maciek to pick up on.  One slightly misleading aspect is the four-hands arrangement, perhaps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 15, 2009, 08:37:30 AM
As I have tried to allude to in the past, the solo line of my one is not all it seems - its actually for voice (wordless)... hope this helps - need to get mine all sorted!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:38:33 AM
@ Karl - Yes, I thought that might be an arrangement, actually. Something about it looks unpianistic. But I'm not sure what it is yet.

I think your previous one was one of your own scores - Brett's wedding music IIRC
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 08:47:50 AM
Yes, of course!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 09:09:09 AM
Links to my remaining ones, followed by clues to them.

442 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
444 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - ? (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
459 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - ?  - (Guido)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)

442 - Score has a typical appearance for a score from this country. One of the composers I've set most frequently. Big clue in the instrumentation
444 - This would have been much easier if you'd got it when I posted it, as at the time the composer was the subject of a thread here. Same goes for 452 and 454. A composer with links to Strauss, some of whose works are evidently meant to refer to Strauss's (e.g. to Till Eulenspiegel and Heldenleben)
445 - Obviously, from the manuscript. Handwriting is a giveaway. One of his lesser-known pieces, but for years the fanfares it features prominently were used as signals on the radio station of his nearest large city.
446 - An early and comparatively extensive work by a figure of massive importance to 20th century music.
447 - This composer helped me (over the phone) to decide which university and college to attend, and is an alumnus. The title of this piece borrows from Couperin
448 - Panufnik, as Maciek guessed. I'm surprised he hasn't got further. The piece's structure is strongly suggested by its title.
449 - A very popular composer who has been here many times (not Szymanowksi, Maciek), this admittedly rather anonymous peroration comes from one of his slightly lesser known symphonies (though it's still one most of us know)
450 - The nearest to opera that this master ever wrote.
451 - One of the most famous composers of all time. And he's also the composer of another of these remaining pieces, mark you.
452 - Another whose composer was the subject of a thread at the time. Well known for his piano music, but also for his harp music, he died in the town where Debussy was born, too fat to reach the keyboard of his piano.
453 - The subject of a more recent thread; a composer better-known for more death-haunted works
454 - Again, he was the subject of a thread at the time. Look at/listen to this piece with imagination and you'll see what type of music is being referred to. From there, this might be easier.
455 - A miniature masterpiece from a most unexpected source - one of those pieces which transcends its time and place, much like the poem it sets. The piece was recently used as the basis for a piece by Patrick Hawes (he's a Classic FM type composer..... say no more). Actually, his idea was rather nice, but the piece is pretty schlocky IMO.
456 - I can only think of one piece for this combination of instruments. NB The score layout is important
459 - Look around - this score was surrounded by lots of others by the same composer
460 - Ditto - orchestration is unique
461 - Ditto - orchestration is deliberately misleading: I missed off the most important instrument
462 - Ditto - say what you see
464 - Ditto - the threatening danger comes to fruition
465 - This is one of those major, landmark pieces that is mentioned all the time at GMG, particularly on the recordings board.  Composer is one of The Greats, and this is one of his greatest. Even though the notation is so shockingly vague!
467 - and Ditto to 459 again. Lovely Brahmsian density in the use of the main motive, isn't there? Brahms wrote pieces of this sort too.


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on April 15, 2009, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 08:01:36 AM
-
- Holst, The Planets, Saturn


I saw the Bass-Flute in the instrumentation and glanced at everything else and knew it had to be from "The Planets."   0:)  Then sight-hearing the music showed the Saturn section.

Karl likes that Bass-Flute sound these days!   8)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on April 15, 2009, 09:21:28 AM
Is #459 not the conclusion of Peripetie of the Five Pieces for Orchestra by Schoenberg?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on April 15, 2009, 09:23:19 AM
Okay, and here is why I have resisted ever visiting this topic!

It is addictive!!!     :o

Put a warning label on it before the bureaucrats come down on you!   0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 09:26:20 AM
Yes it is!

And yes it is on the Schoenberg, too. It surprised me that no one got that one before now.

Quote from: Cato on April 15, 2009, 09:13:30 AM
Karl likes that Bass-Flute sound these days!   8)

Yes, he does. So here's (a fairly obvious) one for him - a bass fruit and 8 taped brothers. Not many pieces for that combination, I suspect. Not with this handwriting and this level of complexity...

LO 469:



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 09:49:44 AM
16, 17, 18
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 09:51:22 AM
19, 20

(Just for tidiness.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 15, 2009, 10:05:39 AM
Two of them are easy:

KH17: Sibelius Symphony no. 4, Scherzo.

KH20: Opening page of Brahms Horn Trio.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on April 15, 2009, 10:05:39 AM
Two of them are easy:

KH17: Sibelius Symphony no. 4, Scherzo.

KH20: Opening page of Brahms Horn Trio.

Oui.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 15, 2009, 10:09:28 AM
I'm going to guess that KH18 is the String Quartet no. 7 by Shostakovich.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 10:12:23 AM
Good!

Hah! And timely. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg299064.html#msg299064)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 10:22:22 AM
Karl, why do you keep waiting till I go out to post new ones?  >:(

16 - Bartok, quartet no 2
17, 18, Mark got in first
19 - Satie - Embryons dessechees. This is L'Holothurie, the sea cucumber one, I think, the infamous passage about a nightingale with toothache..
19, another one Mark got in first on - and I've been listening to this piece a lot this week, too
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 10:22:22 AM
Karl, why do you keep waiting till I go out to post new ones?  >:(

Nothing deliberate, honest!

Quote
16 - Bartok, quartet no 2

[ . . . ]

19 - Satie - Embryons dessechees. This is L'Holothurie, the sea cucumber one, I think, the infamous passage about a nightingale with toothache.

Oui, et oui.  I think neither of us surprised the other with the latter  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 10:29:54 AM
One can't have enough Satie, IMO. Unless, as Cage said, one eventually becomes Satieated.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mark G. Simon on April 15, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
Karl's MScJ.JPG is the Tchaikovsky Serenade for Strings -- Waltz
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 10:33:39 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 15, 2009, 10:29:54 AM
One can't have enough Satie, IMO. Unless, as Cage said, one eventually becomes Satieated.

That's a trope on Satie's own jest, Erit Satis, comme tu sais.

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on April 15, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
Karl's MScJ.JPG is the Tchaikovsky Serenade for Strings -- Waltz

Aye.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 15, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
Probably all I can post before I return next week.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 15, 2009, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: Cato on April 15, 2009, 09:23:19 AM
Okay, and here is why I have resisted ever visiting this topic!

It is addictive!!!     :o

Cato, you have no idea! This thread is a trap - save yourself while you still can! I hope for your sake that it's not too late...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 15, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
MSc15.ivC.JPG is obviously the Prokofiev Toccata...

longest time ever to actually recognize one...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 15, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
That one had been got, unfortunately  :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on April 15, 2009, 03:10:17 PM
The ones on page 222 make me laugh...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:08:33 AM
I just scanned a bunch of scores, but oddly, all the ones that weren't cello related didn't come out!!

Anyway, here they are the ones that worked.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:11:49 AM
I'm guessing from the look, the language and above all the scordatura (my cellists instincts saw that quite quickly!) that this is Duttiluex's 3 Strophes sur le nom de Sacher, which uses the same scord as this piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:13:15 AM
....plus I can see lots of [e]S A C H... stuff going on...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
G61
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:15:44 AM
g62
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:16:33 AM
G63
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:17:27 AM
G64
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:19:21 AM
G65 These are both from the same score
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:23:32 AM
Fourth one - is it French?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:26:22 AM
65 is clearly Feldman - Patterns in a Chromatic Field?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:34:19 AM
Yes you are right about the Dutilleux - an extraordinary piece, one which I have extolled the virtues of many times here. It's also extraordinarily difficult, so there are few truly satisfying accounts of the piece which completely transcend the technique required to pull it off. Emmanuelle Bertrand is the cellist for this piece. This is maybe my favourite page of the whole score - that shrieking high eS A C H bit is just incredible cello writing - I would never have thought it would have worked that well. And that really high bit afterwards! The whole thing, as with the concerto too, is brilliantly written for the intrument, and there no other piece in the repertoire quite like it.

And yes, right with the Feldman Patterns too... that rhythmic complexity is just insane - the rhythms of the piano and cello parts on the second page so subtle... and the first page for that matter... no idea how anyone could do this...

by fourth one do you mean g63 or g64?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
63. Just a feeling. But you can tell me if 64 is too, if you'd like to  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:37:35 AM
...because, yes, looking at it, that would seem possible too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:38:03 AM
No, 63 is not French. Neither is 64.

And while we're on the subject of G64 - those last two bars had the power to make my dad weep. True story!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 05:39:08 AM
Wow! Some score that Luke actually has to think about!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:39:34 AM
...though I'm more inclined to think 64 might be English. The print style is quite Novello-esque, pr Curwen or someone, though probably not them. And the melodic line too looks a little more English.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:41:04 AM
I have to think about most of them, Guido, if they're not standard rep, or if my detective skills don't find a quick clue like that scordatura, or if the composer's style isn't immediately evident like that Feldman. Those two were nice ones for me!  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 05:47:17 AM
Oh, I'm thick - is 63 Dvorak's Waldesruhe? I'm fairly sure it is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 06:20:47 AM
Yes it is! This is, for me, a perfect piece - a real minor masterpiece of the late romantic. It's even more beautiful with orchestral accompaniment. On the surface it couldn't be simpler, but the quiet autumnal shadings that Dvorak miraculously and so subtly achieves here with the orchestration and harmony make it one of his most affecting pieces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25LaOobHkik (Yo-Yo Ma) or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dasjimQ9PU (Jian Wang) though my favourite recording is Jacqueline DuPré's - it's one of her best. (I will upload it if anyone here hasn't heard it and wants it.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 08:19:27 AM
The remaining three are all minor works, pretty obscure - no reason that people should have heard them. They've all been recorded though, and I'm sure that Luke will have heard at least two of them...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 11:25:36 AM
Yeah, thanks for the extra pressure.  :P I guess I should get to work on these then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 11:44:26 AM
I wonder if 61 is the Rubbra sonata. I'd be pleased and surprised, however!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 12:30:18 PM
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
60 - Dutilleux - 3 Strophes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299290.html#msg299290)
61 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299293.html#msg299293)
62 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299294.html#msg299294)
63 - Dvorak - Waldesruhe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299295.html#msg299295)
64 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299298.html#msg299298)
65 a and b - Feldman - Patterns in a Chromatic Field - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299300.html#msg299300)


Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - Tippet - Little Music - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - Britten - Curlew River - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - Britten - Spring Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - Tippett - The Vision of St Augustine - (revealed by Luke) - this page is the vision itself, folks! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - Stravinsky - Dumbarton Oaks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - Sculthorpe - Kakadu - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - Respighi - Pines of Rome - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - Tippett - Quartet no 3 - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - Maxwell Davies - Five Little Piano Pieces - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - Puccini - Tango - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - Janacek - 'Zdenka' Variations - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - Jellinek - Zwolftonwerk op 15 - Toccata Funebre - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - Korngold - Violin Concerto - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - Respighi - Roman Festivals - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
426 - Dukas - Prelude Elegiaque (sur le nom de Haydn) - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - Debussy - Homage a Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - Ravel - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - Hahn - Theme varie sur le nom de Haydn - revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - D'Indy - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
431 - Ravel - Berceuse sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - Koechlin - Choral sur le nom de Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - Schmidt - Homage sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)
437 - Stevenson - Preludette on the name George Gershwin - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - Boy Wanted - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - ? (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
457 - Schoenberg - Wind Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
458 - Schoenberg - Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
459 - Schoenberg - 5 Orchestral Pieces op 16 - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - ?  - (Guido)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
463 - Schoenberg - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
466 - Schoenberg - Chamber Symhpony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
468 - Loeffler - La mort de Tintagiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg285146.html#msg285146)


Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)
104 - Szymanowski - Myths (Dryads and Pan) - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298914.html#msg298914)

Set by Karl
2 (bet you don't remember setting one before Karl, do you? but my records show otherwise!!  ;D ) - Albeniz - Asturias - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298927.html#msg298927)
3 - Bartok - Allegro Barbaro - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298929.html#msg298929)
4 - Prokofiev - Toccata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298930.html#msg298930)
5 - Rachmaninov - Isle of the Dead - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298939.html#msg298939)
6 - Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298940.html#msg298940)
7 - Sibelius - Valse Triste - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298944.html#msg298944)
8 - Chopin - Prelude (A minor) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
9 - Mahler - Ruckert Lieder - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
10 - Palestrina - Sicut cervus - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
11 - Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
12 - Beethoven - Eroica - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
13 - Holst - The Planets - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
15 - Wagner - Parsifal Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
16 - Bartok - Quartet no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
17 - Sibelius - Symphony no 4 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
18 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 7 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
19 - Satie - Embyrons Dessechees - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
20 - Brahms - Horn Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: Guido on April 16, 2009, 06:20:47 AM
(I will upload it if anyone here hasn't heard it and wants it.)

*Raises hand.*
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
The Panufnik piece. Is it Reflections?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 01:34:09 PM
No, 'fraid not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Darn. 12 miniature studies?????

465 - Beethoven??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Darn. 12 miniature studies?????

No. Five more guesses, you hear me - five!

Quote from: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:41:59 PM465 - Beethoven??

No. But one of the few composers whose fame is roughly on that level (just a wee bit less, I suppose)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
Well, we've already had Pentasonata here in the past. But I have no other ideas...

Brahms??

Clearly, I'm NOT on a roll. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on April 16, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Don't call him 'butter', 'coz he's not on a roll . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
Well, we've already had Pentasonata here in the past. But I have no other ideas...

Have we? I don't remember that. Well, anyway, we've also had The Planets about three times now, and two Feste Romane, etc. etc. ! Yes, it's the Pentasonata.

Quote from: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
Brahms??

No. Someone in between. One of his most famous pieces.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 02:27:22 PM
OK, finally got something! 456: Chausson's Concerto for violin and piano quintet, 1st movement. (Because it clearly can't be Haydn/Salomon Symphony Quintetto in C, Hob. I:97 after Symphony No 97 for flute, string quartet & piano ad libitum).

Quote from: sul G on April 16, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
Someone in between.

In terms of fame or chronology? Schubert??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 02:28:13 PM
Both correct!

You have ascended the roll now, I believe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
His last Piano Sonata. I knew I had played those notes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 02:44:17 PM
Is 451 also Schubert?

(I should really be off to bed... ;D)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 03:02:59 PM
No, it's not
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: sul G on April 16, 2009, 11:25:36 AM
Yeah, thanks for the extra pressure.  :P I guess I should get to work on these then...

Ok, maybe not! It's just a hunch that you might have...

And no, not the Rubbra. You're very much in the right sort of territory though.

I have a feeling that G61 might prove to be too hard... I'll tell you that it's called Elegy and let you try and find the composer. It's a really marvellous piece, one of my favourite 'blind' sheet music discoveries (i.e. I just bought it on a whim having never heard it and found that it was good!).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: Guido on April 16, 2009, 03:09:46 PM
Ok, maybe not! It's just a hunch that you might have...

Well I haven't!

Quote from: Guido on April 16, 2009, 03:09:46 PM
And no, not the Rubbra. You're very much in the right sort of territory though.

I don't think it's the Moeran, but I'll guess that anyway, just to be sure!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 03:16:23 PM
You're even closer now, sonny!  ;) (but still no cigar)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Well, it doesn't look too much like this, unless you squint at it a little, but I might as well have another guess. It's not the Delius sonata, so is it his Romance? Probably not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: sul G on April 16, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Well, it doesn't look too much like this, unless you squint at it a little, but I might as well have another guess. It's not the Delius sonata, so is it his Romance? Probably not.

Nope!

Your 452 isn't showing up at the moment, I think from your description that it's by Jan Ladislav Dussek...

Oh and here Maciek (and anyone else) is Waldesruhe played by JdP: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4ced5d81af5cc7dac2b435915e8821d72716ae94a5b312135be6ba49b5870170
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 16, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
446 - Concerto for piano and string quartet op. 17 by Busoni?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 16, 2009, 04:13:28 PM
No. Those are the instruments, of course, and this is simply a piano quintet. Busoni is a major figure, of course, but this one is even more so, I suppose.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on April 17, 2009, 04:02:25 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 16, 2009, 04:13:28 PM
No. Those are the instruments, of course, and this is simply a piano quintet. Busoni is a major figure, of course, but this one is even more so, I suppose.

Webern Piano Quintet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 17, 2009, 06:11:09 AM
That's the one  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 05:57:38 AM
Quote from: Guido on April 16, 2009, 03:35:29 PM
Oh and here Maciek (and anyone else) is Waldesruhe played by JdP

Thanks! 8)

The thread seems to have come to a bit of a stall so here's one more from me.

MM105

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM105.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM105.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 06:02:38 AM
And another one.

MM106

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM106.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM106.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 22, 2009, 06:35:58 AM
Quote from: Guido on April 16, 2009, 03:35:29 PM
Oh and here Maciek (and anyone else) is Waldesruhe played by JdP: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4ced5d81af5cc7dac2b435915e8821d72716ae94a5b312135be6ba49b5870170

That old misogynist plays the cello too? Is there no end to his talents?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 06:57:03 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 12:56:27 PM
No ideas? OK. Here are four more, just to round things off.

MM107
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM107.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM107.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 12:59:08 PM
MM108

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM108.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM108.gif)

"Say what you see," as Luke would say.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 01:01:50 PM
MM109

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM109.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM109.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 01:03:09 PM
MM110

And the last one. Something easy (? >:D), for a change.

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM110.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM110.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: sul G on April 22, 2009, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 12:59:08 PM
MM108

"Say what you see," as Luke would say.


Then I'll guess this is Bacewicz's Music for String, Trumpets and Percussion  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 01:07:41 PM
Damn, that guy is fast! ;D

You're right of course. I must think up less obvious clues in the future. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
Did I say four? Nah, this one can't possibly be left out.

Besides, 111 is "evener" ("rounder") than 110 anyway. :P ;D

MM111

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM111.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20Score%20Quiz%202nd%20Edition/MM111.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on April 22, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
Clue for no. 106: possibly the greatest Polish pianist alive is planning to record it soon. If he does, he'll be doing so for the second time, since he's already recorded it once, at the very beginning of his career.

Heck, scratch the "possibly", there really isn't much doubt about it.

EDIT: No, wait. I think he already has (re)recorded it, sometime in February. But I'm not sure when the actual CD comes out.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 05:28:34 AM
Luke! Your inbox is full! :'(

[Never mind, I've sent you an e-mail.]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:05:19 AM
OK. So now I could either give some clues to my previous ones. OR I could add some new ones. What shall I do?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:05:51 AM
Nah, I'll give you some new ones... >:D

MM112

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM112.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM112.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:07:02 AM
MM113

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM113.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM113.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:07:43 AM
MM114

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM114.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM114.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:08:25 AM
MM115

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM115.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM115.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:09:18 AM
MM116

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM116.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM116.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:10:25 AM
MM117

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM117.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM117.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:13:07 AM
MM118

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM118.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM118.gif)





And that's it.

For the time being. >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on May 07, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: Maciek on May 07, 2009, 06:07:02 AM
MM113

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM113.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM113.gif)
Don't know what it is, but this score actually looks like it sounds good.  :o ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 08, 2009, 02:37:35 PM
Heh, heh. But it actually lost to a Bartok quartet in a competition once. Not that there's anything unfair or surprising in a Bartok quartet winning a competition... But Casella? Come on! >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 08, 2009, 02:38:49 PM
(Well, I guess I've sort of given it away now, haven't I?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 09, 2009, 05:55:49 AM
No? Well, OK. How about this one then?

MM119

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM119.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM119.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 09, 2009, 05:59:01 AM
Or this?

MM120

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM120.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM120.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on May 11, 2009, 03:16:08 AM
Aw, come on, you've got the text right there. How much more of a clue do I have to give? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Taxes- on July 11, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
MM114
Google seems to be telling me that there are only 2 string quartet with a Con Vivezza marking: Holmboe No. 9 mvmt II and Bacewicz No. 7 mvmt III. I've been able to sample the Holmboe (http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=6375) and find a description (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=42:74729) of the Bacewicz.

I'd go for the latter because the score seems closer to the description than the samples and because she's Polish in a page where's there's lots of Polish stuff going on :D.

edit:
MM106: Bacewicz - Sonata for Piano No. 2?
Recorded at Warsaw, May 28, 1977, live and he seems to have been playing it in recitals (http://culturespotla.com/2009/04/zimerman-performs-the-three-bs-bach-beethoven-and-bacewicz/) not too long ago, so he might have recorded it earlier this year too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 12, 2009, 04:09:26 PM
Well, first of all, let me welcome you to the best thread on GMG (tm)! 8) And congratulate you, since choosing to partake in our quiz is an indication of impeccable taste and intelligence of the highest order. :D

Secondly: thank you for reviving the thread. Luke, who sort of looked after it, is not around at the moment. He might return, though. But there's no reason to abandon the quiz while he's gone...

And thirdly: you're correct on both counts! Well done! Impressive entrance!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Taxes- on July 12, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
thanks! This seems like a very interesting thread to me, this last page alone introduced me to two composers I knew nothing about: Ms. Bacewicz (MM116 is her 5th string quartet?) and Mr. Szymanowski (MM113 is the String Quartet No. 2 OP. 56, found it with the help of the bartok/casella hint :)).

But anyway, this thread's no fun if no one's posting anything new, right? So here's a few of my own.

MST01
(http://i32.tinypic.com/et8odu.jpg)

MST02
(http://i28.tinypic.com/5o71tu.jpg)

MST03
(http://i30.tinypic.com/25g9wz7.jpg)

MST04
(http://i32.tinypic.com/1zpttw5.jpg)

MST05
(http://i29.tinypic.com/drcv4n.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2009, 11:54:08 AM
Hello guys. I've snuck back in quietly. It's been one hell of an awful few months, and I'm far from out of the woods yet - but I had a sudden urge to reregister here, so that can't be a bad sign.

But I don't think I'm up to be being very active yet. Maybe just my two or three favourite threads!

So, I must say it's been bugging me that none of you lot got these last ones -

1) not sure what the cello one is yet...
2) Alkan Concerto for Solo Piano...
3) Some Haydn Piano Sonata or other, would need to look it up...
4) Liszt, B minor Sonata
5) Beethoven, Emperor Concerto (piano part only)

This is all very weird...be gentle with me!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 11, 2009, 11:54:47 AM
Welcome back, mon cher!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2009, 11:56:39 AM
Thanks, Karl  :)

btw I've been reading all your news with interest, even if it hasn't seemed that way  :)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 11, 2009, 12:00:59 PM
Luke! I was checking your birthday today, to see when I would have an excuse to write you! ;D Great to have you back! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:02:10 PM
Thank you, my friend!  :)

That was pretty.......dazzling!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 11, 2009, 12:02:40 PM
Nor do I think that Maciek has at all overdone the smileys on this occasion.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bhodges on September 11, 2009, 12:03:16 PM
Luke!  :D  What a nice surprise!  So sorry life has been unkind to you lately, and hope that changes soon.  Meanwhile, take it easy and know you have many pals here.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:06:39 PM
Yeah, I know it very well. And I've missed you all. Honestly, life's been so tricky that I just didn't want to sully all of 'this' with all of 'that'

and - this has been shocking, and I can scarcely admit or believe it - for months now I just haven't been able to listen to music, not really. Just thinking about it has even made me feel ill, at times. Terrible, it's just been terrible to lose that. But it's been coming back, these last few days, a dose of Janacek is curing all, as in the end it always does.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bhodges on September 11, 2009, 12:14:36 PM
You know, probably many people go through periods of little or no music, for whatever reason.  (And after all, there is something to be said for silence.)  I find nothing shameful in that admission in the least.

And...Janacek rules.  0:)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 11, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:02:10 PM
That was pretty.......dazzling!

It's actually an elaborate optical illusion. If you move your head left and right, the smileys will appear to be moving right and left. Kind of cool, no? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
@ Bruce -
It was a little like that phase I went through about 4 years ago (during which, as now, I composed almost nothing) in which my listening habits thinned out to a very select group of composers (almost entirely the very old and the very new), before the 'gaps' began to fill themselves in again, meeting finally, in the middle with a reacceptance of Wagner, Mahler and the rest of those whingey old self-flagellators.... ;D. Except that was 'only' the symptom of some kind of aesthetic upheaval, if that makes any sense. This time, it's been still deeper and more visceral. I shudder to think about it all...!

@Maciek -
I noticed. Very Bridget Riley... does it work with other smileys too?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:22:10 PM
Clearly not.....  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 11, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
@Maciek -
I noticed. Very Bridget Riley...

I've called it Yellow and Black Smileys for Luke 4/7 (2009).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:31:56 PM
It's going on the front of my next CD. With your permission, of course.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: bhodges on September 11, 2009, 12:32:26 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 11, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
I've called it Yellow and Black Smileys for Luke 4/7 (2009).

;D  ;D  ;D

8)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 11, 2009, 12:33:36 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 11, 2009, 12:31:56 PM
It's going on the front of my next CD. With your permission, of course.

I'm sure we can work something out... 0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 11, 2009, 07:01:05 PM
What the hell. Four from me:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 11, 2009, 07:02:30 PM
No. 4 is a 4-hand piano transcription of an orchestral work.

Click on any of my images to enlarge them to readable size.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 12, 2009, 08:08:25 AM
Welcome back, Luke!!! (Sorry to hear life hasn't been quite agreeable for you these past few months.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 12, 2009, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on September 12, 2009, 08:08:25 AM
Welcome back, Luke!!! (Sorry to hear life hasn't been quite agreeable for you these past few months.)

Nobody welcomed me back . . .   :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 12, 2009, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 12, 2009, 09:18:31 AM
Nobody welcomed me back . . .   :'(

WELCOME BACK, SF!

(I haven't been on GMG a lot lately, I say in my defense...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Taxes- on September 13, 2009, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 11, 2009, 11:54:08 AM
Hello guys. I've snuck back in quietly. It's been one hell of an awful few months, and I'm far from out of the woods yet - but I had a sudden urge to reregister here, so that can't be a bad sign.

But I don't think I'm up to be being very active yet. Maybe just my two or three favourite threads!

So, I must say it's been bugging me that none of you lot got these last ones -

1) not sure what the cello one is yet...
2) Alkan Concerto for Solo Piano...
3) Some Haydn Piano Sonata or other, would need to look it up...
4) Liszt, B minor Sonata
5) Beethoven, Emperor Concerto (piano part only)

This is all very weird...be gentle with me!

I had almost forgotten this thread. All of them right! The Haydn sonata is the second movement of the Hob. XVI/50. The first seems to be a bit harder than the other for some reason, maybe because I picked a weird place to screenshot. This other picture from the same work/movement should give a pretty good hint as to what this is though:

(http://i30.tinypic.com/n46w41.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on September 13, 2009, 06:06:51 PM
Welcome back, both Luke and Sf!
The forum is always a brighter place with you two here.  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 13, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
Quote from: Greg on September 13, 2009, 06:06:51 PM
Welcome back, both Luke and Sf!
The forum is always a brighter place with you two here.  ;)

Thank you, Greg.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 13, 2009, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 11, 2009, 11:54:08 AM
Hello guys. I've snuck back in quietly. It's been one hell of an awful few months, and I'm far from out of the woods yet - but I had a sudden urge to reregister here, so that can't be a bad sign.

But I don't think I'm up to be being very active yet. Maybe just my two or three favourite threads!

So, I must say it's been bugging me that none of you lot got these last ones -

1) not sure what the cello one is yet...
2) Alkan Concerto for Solo Piano...
3) Some Haydn Piano Sonata or other, would need to look it up...
4) Liszt, B minor Sonata
5) Beethoven, Emperor Concerto (piano part only)

This is all very weird...be gentle with me!


At least three of these are very easy. I just wasn't around for the past six months.

Now will someone make some attempt to guess some of mine?  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 14, 2009, 12:26:46 AM
I got no idea Sforzando, these are very tricky ones...  :(

No 1: A symphony in d minor with Clarinets, so it's neither Haydn nor Mozart nor Schubert. It's rich in contrapuntal texture and the 3rd movement is in a remote key... But what could it be? Any lesser known early-romantic? The Allegro movement reminds of Lachner, but I checked his D minor symphony no. 2 and its 3rd movement is not in B major... Maybe Spohr, Berwald, ... ???

No 2: Early Haydn? No... :-\

No 3: Debussy?

No 4: I know that theme vom bars 6-12!! Must be from a large-scale late romantic symphony, but not Bruckner or Mahler I guess... This does not sound German. Rather Slavic...? No, British...  :o

Sorry, my guesses are very ppor  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 14, 2009, 02:27:19 AM
Welcome back to both of you - can't believe that I missed both of your returns - shows how much I've been here recently. WELCOME BACK - to both!

Sfz- I don't know any of yours I'm afraid.

Taxes - your first is Fauré's first cello sonata opening movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 14, 2009, 02:49:05 AM
Just listening to the first sonata now - thanks for the jolt - I think I'm understanding and appreciating it more fully for the first time! I've always thought the two cello sonatas the most rarefied and dificult of the late works.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 14, 2009, 05:08:43 AM
Quote from: rappy on September 14, 2009, 12:26:46 AM
I got no idea Sforzando, these are very tricky ones...  :(

No 1: A symphony in d minor with Clarinets, so it's neither Haydn nor Mozart nor Schubert. It's rich in contrapuntal texture and the 3rd movement is in a remote key... But what could it be? Any lesser known early-romantic? The Allegro movement reminds of Lachner, but I checked his D minor symphony no. 2 and its 3rd movement is not in B major... Maybe Spohr, Berwald, ... ???

No 2: Early Haydn? No... :-\

No 3: Debussy?

No 4: I know that theme vom bars 6-12!! Must be from a large-scale late romantic symphony, but not Bruckner or Mahler I guess... This does not sound German. Rather Slavic...? No, British...  :o

Sorry, my guesses are very ppor  :-[

Nicht exact, aber nicht so schlecht als du glaubst . . .

1. Right period, but wrong on your sense of the key structure. The primary key is D major, with a slow movement in B minor ending in the tonic major. Lesser known composer, yes, another who died rather young, but I think it a masterly work.

2. A little too regular for Haydn, no?

3. Wrong composer, right country, right period. Strip it down to bare essentials and you'll have it.

4. Alas, not a symphony per se, but right period and one of those is the right country, though this programmatic work is "about" another country altogether.

A few good clues there if you can use them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 15, 2009, 05:01:33 PM
Oh, dear. This thread is dying. Perhaps if (since #4 is in 4-hand score) I gave an audio clue it would help. (But damn this 500K limit!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 16, 2009, 02:21:37 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 15, 2009, 05:01:33 PM
Oh, dear. This thread is dying.

Au contraire, you gents have revived it.  It just isn't one of your 'road-runner' threads.  Let it be what it is  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 16, 2009, 05:06:17 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 14, 2009, 05:08:43 AM
A few good clues there if you can use them.

Yeah, but if I don't know the pieces, I can only guess...

1. The allegro page looks wonderful, I agree. Still don't know the composer  :-[

2. Yep, and to many V-I progressions. Dittersdorf or something like that?

3. I'm not familiar enough with impressionism...

4. The language sounds very familiar... could it be Mussorgsky?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 16, 2009, 05:40:33 AM
Quote from: rappy on September 16, 2009, 05:06:17 AM
Yeah, but if I don't know the pieces, I can only guess...

1. The allegro page looks wonderful, I agree. Still don't know the composer  :-[

2. Yep, and to many V-I progressions. Dittersdorf or something like that?

3. I'm not familiar enough with impressionism...

4. The language sounds very familiar... could it be Mussorgsky?

Dittersdorf is correct, a delightful example of what a mediocre, uninventive hack he was. I think we can all see it's a string quartet in G major, so nothing more needed.

Not Mussorgsky; you're getting colder rather than warmer (alas). I would say that to my ears this passage is startlingly modern for the composer in question. (Ironically, it is intended as a programmatic description of ancient times.)

Where's Luke?  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 16, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
Okay, I listened to the audio file again, it sounds a little bit like film music. But it's not Korngold, as you've already said it's either British or Slavic...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 16, 2009, 09:04:24 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 16, 2009, 05:40:33 AM

Where's Luke?  :D

He was just enjoying Vorisek's Symphony in D............. ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 16, 2009, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 16, 2009, 09:04:24 AM
He was just enjoying Vorisek's Symphony in D............. ;)

Excellent. An absolutely superb classic symphony. ##1 and 2 guessed, ##3 and 4 to go. Not film music, but one of Rappy's countries is correct. Alas, io voglio that the many clues dropping left and right like veils will finally yield the other answers.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 16, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
#4 sounds British to my ears. Is it Elgar's Caractacus? (just guessing) Or King Olaf?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 16, 2009, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on September 16, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
#4 sounds British to my ears. Is it Elgar's Caractacus? (just guessing) Or King Olaf?

Getting very warm.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 16, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Oh, it's In the South, isn't it - funny, that was the first piece that came to mind when you gave one of your clues earlier - don't know why I didn't follow through on that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 16, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 16, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Oh, it's In the South, isn't it - funny, that was the first piece that came to mind when you gave one of your clues earlier - don't know why I didn't follow through on that!

I recognised Elgar's 'sound'. Alas, I don't know 'In the South'... Of course, you do!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 16, 2009, 03:47:10 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on September 16, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
I recognised Elgar's 'sound'. Alas, I don't know 'In the South'... Of course, you do!

In the South, otherwise known as Alassio (Alas, io voglio), a concert overture about Elgar's sojourn in that Italian town - of which this rather magnificent passage is designed as a depiction of the ancient Romans.

One more of mine to go. French, a contemporary of Debussy, but not in fact an admirer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 16, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
Yes, that one was bugging me, clearly French, clearly of that group inspired by Wagner - a Parsifalian-Pelleasian look to some of this page. Chausson, D'Indy, that kind of thing, was where my thoughts were tending...

it's D'Indy - Istar.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 16, 2009, 11:08:50 PM
I was thinking along the same lines, but could never have come up with that - D'Indy is still on my wishlist... Chapeau, Luke!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on September 16, 2009, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 16, 2009, 03:47:10 PM
In the South, otherwise known as Alassio (Alas, io voglio), a concert overture about Elgar's sojourn in that Italian town - of which this rather magnificent passage is designed as a depiction of the ancient Romans.

Well, I did hear it once on Dutch radio, but that was many many years ago. I think that passage would have struck me more forcefully now than then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2009, 04:11:27 AM
This best-of-threads has become rather ramshackle and overgrown since I let it out of my tender loving care   ;) ;D $:) 0:) - there are stray unidentified scores lying all over the place. Lots of mine from months and months ago - and I gave plenty of clues, too  ???   :'( . Also a few of Maciek's undoubtedly Polish pieces hanging about the place. When I get home later I will try to tidy up a bit - get the hyperlinked list of answers up to date, and give the answers to my remaining ones etc. So - there's your warning: last chance to identify them! There are some very easy ones amongst them, btw.....and some real stinkers too, to be honest.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 17, 2009, 04:12:00 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 16, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
Yes, that one was bugging me, clearly French, clearly of that group inspired by Wagner - a Parsifalian-Pelleasian look to some of this page. Chausson, D'Indy, that kind of thing, was where my thoughts were tending...

it's D'Indy - Istar.

Bien, bien.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2009, 04:14:26 AM
I think the last page-of-links is about 4 or 5 pages ago, btw, for those who want to look. It is lacking all of Maciek's subsequent ones, of course, but contains all my remaining ones.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2009, 04:16:39 AM
...and crack to it, Sfz - there are some in there you surely must know, but I don't think you were really around when they were put up.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2009, 04:22:25 AM
my 455, the one I said was an utter gem, an exquisitely perfect piece of music from an unexpected source...as chance would happen I mentioned it over coffee to another teacher here at school earlier ('you don't by any chance know..... do you?'). not only did she know it, she's sung in it many times and launched into raputres about what a special piece it is - as she said, it has a special quality shared with a piece such as the Allegri Miserere . So, that goes to show - it isn't unknown (far from  it, it is really very famous), and it isn't just me who thinks it is a remarkable piece!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 17, 2009, 05:07:20 AM
Oh, sure, Lukochka . . . play the "it isn't really obscure" card  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 17, 2009, 07:23:12 AM
What is that lovely violin solo M444 from?  ??? ??? ???

The melody reminds of a certain composer, but I don't know whom...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 17, 2009, 02:11:39 PM
If Strauss had written another violin concerto in e minor in his youth, I would say that's it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2009, 02:20:28 PM
Surprisingly close - the composer has interesting links to Strauss.  But it's not Strauss himself, obviously, as you know.

I'm working on tidying all these last ones up, but it's taking me hours. Might have to wait until tomorrow!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 18, 2009, 04:15:55 AM
Dude, you are the Atlas on whose shoulder this thread rests!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 04:20:42 AM
...my back is kiling me     
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 10:32:47 AM
Got it now by looking through the composers forum a little bit  ;D

Must be Emil Nikolaus von Reznicek, violin concerto. Key and tempo do fit at least.  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 11:01:02 AM
Wow, Rappy! That's the one - good detective work
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 11:48:03 AM
So let's see whether you can identify music by reading the bass lines.

Easy:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 11:49:07 AM
Medium:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 11:49:57 AM
Hard:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 11:52:12 AM
I think i recognise a few of these, but I'll have to think about it.....

but the first one is from the wonderful Schubert G major Quartet
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 11:53:21 AM
I know no 7, but can't put a name to it yet....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 11:55:56 AM
oh yes, Beethoven SQ op 59/2
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 11:59:13 AM
And the last one is from the last movement of Brahms' second piano concerto.

Masterpieces all! Nice choices..... :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 12:03:39 PM
Astonishing, especially that you got the Brahms so very quickly!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 12:16:15 PM
One of my favourite pieces - I should have got it first of all!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 18, 2009, 12:29:30 PM
Is 9 Heldenleben?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
No. Same era, different composer, not programmatic.

@Luke: Yeah, also one of my favourites! Especially with Leinsdorf and Richter. But as the left hand contains no motivic material, I thought it was very difficult.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 12:40:39 PM
I heard the harmony, though, and felt the shape of the phrase from that and the (harmonic) rhythm. Plus, the fact that this B flat piano concerto gives an important role to the key of B minor (as does Mozart's last one - was this deliberate, I wonder....)...that pushed me to the answer.

Yes, I thought that one Sfz suggested as Heldenleben looked very Straussian too....wonder who it could be, then....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 12:46:59 PM
Yeah, of course, the harmoninc rhythm with the Neapolitanian chord is quite characteristic...

The piece Sfz mixed up with Ein Heldenleben is very famous, but it's difficult to recognize from that tiny bass line, I must admit. You can guess the tempo and you know the key...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 01:28:33 PM
Is the second one a solo piano arrangement of the first of the Brahms Hungarian Dances? I'm pretty sure about that...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 01:29:55 PM
Yes, I've just checked it  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 01:43:11 PM
and the third one from the end, which I think is the one Sfz meant as looking a bit like Strauss, is from the first movement of Mahler 9
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2009, 01:46:13 PM
Oh, no, Sfz thought the one after it was Strauss...ah well! Neither of them is, evidently!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on September 18, 2009, 02:58:49 PM
I'm in awe as ever Luke!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 18, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Luke is correct on both !  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2009, 06:59:16 AM
I've been struggling with getting down to sorting out the list, but to be honest it is taking me ages!

but just for now, prompted by something I only just read a minute ago, here is another one to be getting on with:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 22, 2009, 01:01:57 PM
Could that be Strauss?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2009, 01:25:02 PM
No, not Strauss. Actually, I think I will reveal that one - it was supposed to be a clever trick  ::) but a tiny bit of internet research suggests it might be wrong

Earlier today I read something which related the story of how Humperdinck wrote 7 bars of Parsifal, in order to lengthen a scene-change slightly, and how his addition is still in the performed and published work. My sample is that section - so, you were supposed to say Wagner and smug old me was supposed to say, no, though it looks a hell of a lot like him....  ::) ::) ::)

However, later I read that no copy of Humperdinck's additional bars are in existence anywhere. so the joke is on me....

typical  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 05, 2009, 01:33:39 AM
Well, I really ought to clear up this thread and get it back on track....I keep getting drawn away from doing that little job (not so little, it's quite a confusing job sorting through the thread and tying up loose ends, and I'd actually already spent a few hours doing so when the laptop I was working on had an unfortunate run-in with a nice big glass of G+T and couldn't cope with the sudden alcohol poisoning -so I will have to start again >:( Soon, I promise...)

And I've got a really nice score to share with you all when that's done...well, I like it anyway. Having great fun trawling the further reaches of IMSLP at the moment...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 08, 2009, 02:28:58 PM
Quote from: Taxes- on July 12, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
thanks! This seems like a very interesting thread to me, this last page alone introduced me to two composers I knew nothing about: Ms. Bacewicz (MM116 is her 5th string quartet?) and Mr. Szymanowski (MM113 is the String Quartet No. 2 OP. 56, found it with the help of the bartok/casella hint :)).

I never got back to you about those two, did I? They are both correct! :D 8)

[BTW, I have no idea why I stopped posting new ones after 120; I had a few more ready - 119 was actually supposed to lead up to something specific - but now I can't find the files on my computer! :-\]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: secondwind on November 24, 2009, 06:38:41 PM
I looked, and looked, and looked, and listened, and heard. . . absolutely nothing recognizable.  Meow.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on November 25, 2009, 12:43:26 PM
All the chickenscratch on the score, like filled and open circles, clearly point to something. To what I have no idea.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 25, 2009, 10:07:49 PM
Could anyone locate Luke's last index post for me please? :-* I seem to be unable to find it... :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on November 26, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
It appears to be something  (Bach? 1064:2), highly ornamented,  transcribed for ----- a string instrument, oud, maybe, or xylophone if the accessories are a clue, and the markings are for fingerings.  But no double stops, so possibly a demented wind fantasia on....?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 26, 2009, 06:23:43 PM
Quote from: listener on November 26, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
(Bach?)
what?  :D
My first guess was Stockhausen, simply given James' taste, and the rhythm complexity of the score. The only thing is, I'm not that familiar with most of Stockhausen's works, especially for solo instrument.  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 27, 2009, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: sul G on April 16, 2009, 12:30:18 PM
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)



Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
60 - Dutilleux - 3 Strophes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299290.html#msg299290)
61 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299293.html#msg299293)
62 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299294.html#msg299294)
63 - Dvorak - Waldesruhe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299295.html#msg299295)
64 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299298.html#msg299298)
65 a and b - Feldman - Patterns in a Chromatic Field - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299300.html#msg299300)


Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - Tippet - Little Music - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - Britten - Curlew River - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - Britten - Spring Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - Tippett - The Vision of St Augustine - (revealed by Luke) - this page is the vision itself, folks! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - Stravinsky - Dumbarton Oaks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - Sculthorpe - Kakadu - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - Respighi - Pines of Rome - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - Tippett - Quartet no 3 - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - Maxwell Davies - Five Little Piano Pieces - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - Puccini - Tango - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - Janacek - 'Zdenka' Variations - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - Jellinek - Zwolftonwerk op 15 - Toccata Funebre - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - Korngold - Violin Concerto - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - Respighi - Roman Festivals - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
426 - Dukas - Prelude Elegiaque (sur le nom de Haydn) - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - Debussy - Homage a Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - Ravel - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - Hahn - Theme varie sur le nom de Haydn - revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - D'Indy - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
431 - Ravel - Berceuse sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - Koechlin - Choral sur le nom de Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - Schmidt - Homage sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)
437 - Stevenson - Preludette on the name George Gershwin - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - Boy Wanted - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - ? (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
457 - Schoenberg - Wind Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
458 - Schoenberg - Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
459 - Schoenberg - 5 Orchestral Pieces op 16 - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - ?  - (Guido)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
463 - Schoenberg - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
466 - Schoenberg - Chamber Symhpony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
468 - Loeffler - La mort de Tintagiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg285146.html#msg285146)


Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)
104 - Szymanowski - Myths (Dryads and Pan) - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298914.html#msg298914)

Set by Karl
2 (bet you don't remember setting one before Karl, do you? but my records show otherwise!!  ;D ) - Albeniz - Asturias - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298927.html#msg298927)
3 - Bartok - Allegro Barbaro - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298929.html#msg298929)
4 - Prokofiev - Toccata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298930.html#msg298930)
5 - Rachmaninov - Isle of the Dead - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298939.html#msg298939)
6 - Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298940.html#msg298940)
7 - Sibelius - Valse Triste - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298944.html#msg298944)
8 - Chopin - Prelude (A minor) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
9 - Mahler - Ruckert Lieder - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
10 - Palestrina - Sicut cervus - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
11 - Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
12 - Beethoven - Eroica - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
13 - Holst - The Planets - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
15 - Wagner - Parsifal Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
16 - Bartok - Quartet no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
17 - Sibelius - Symphony no 4 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
18 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 7 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
19 - Satie - Embyrons Dessechees - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
20 - Brahms - Horn Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)

This one maybe, Maciek?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on November 27, 2009, 01:15:04 AM
I think it's something for Oboe solo, because of the range and use of fluttertongue? But not Berio...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 27, 2009, 02:07:28 PM
I really have no idea James!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 28, 2009, 08:49:26 AM
Quote from: Guido on November 27, 2009, 12:38:55 AM
This one maybe, Maciek?

Aaaah, I think so, yes! Thanks a lot, Guido! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 27, 2010, 04:30:52 AM
This lovely old thread....thought I'd look in and remind myself where it left off....

Quote from: James on November 27, 2009, 08:01:36 AM
Trying singing the melodic line in your head as you read it, that may help...where is the usual 'click' when you need them? Maciek? Karl? Guido? Luke? etc?

Looks like everyone is finally stumped.  8)

well, James, you hadn't given anyone any clues, really, had you. Wasn't really in the spirit of the thread! But, whatever, I had a little think - this is you, so it's either Stockhausen or Zappa, and it's Zappa - The Black Page.

Anyone want to know the answer to my remaining ones, which are months older even than James's Zappa one? And anyone got the stomach to reignite this best-of-all-possible-threads?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on June 27, 2010, 06:35:57 AM
As a clique, we really click.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 28, 2010, 02:30:09 PM
Well, I am a 'score fetisher', and proud of it! And I have more juicy samples just burning to be uploaded....  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 01, 2010, 05:43:01 PM
Just one more for me right now. Shouldn't be hard - I think!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 01, 2010, 07:21:39 PM
Looks like late classical/early Romantic. So I have no idea.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 02, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 01, 2010, 07:21:39 PM
Looks like late classical/early Romantic. So I have no idea.

Lots of views, no guesses. Clue time? He was once a very popular composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 03, 2010, 08:27:26 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 02, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
Lots of views, no guesses. Clue time? He was once a very popular composer.
Mendelssohn?  :D  :-\
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 03, 2010, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: Greg on July 03, 2010, 08:27:26 AM
Mendelssohn?  :D  :-\

No, and it's not even Schoenberg either. A little later than Mendelssohn, and longer-lived, perhaps as a consequence very prolific.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 03, 2010, 02:50:30 PM
Balakirev? Bruch? Boito? Widor? Chaminade? Humperdinck?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 03, 2010, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 03, 2010, 02:50:30 PM
Balakirev? Bruch? Boito? Widor? Chaminade? Humperdinck?

Sorry, none of those.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 03, 2010, 03:08:21 PM
Is it someone that is on this page?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romantic_composers
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 03, 2010, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 03, 2010, 03:08:21 PM
Is it someone that is on this page?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romantic_composers

Yes, his name is on that list. Hint: it is not Julius Weissenborn.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 03, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
Rontgen? Moszkowski?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 03, 2010, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Greg on July 03, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
Rontgen? Moszkowski?

No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 04, 2010, 04:06:56 AM
Raff's 5th Symphony...

How about this simple one? I've loved this piece ever since I was tiny - a guilty pleasure, perhaps!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 04, 2010, 04:33:42 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 04, 2010, 04:06:56 AM
Raff's 5th Symphony...

How about this simple one? I've loved this piece ever since I was tiny - a guilty pleasure, perhaps!

Luke gets it, and then comes back with Rimsky's Russian Easter Overture.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 04, 2010, 05:32:35 AM
Yes, he does! And then he comes back further with these two....and there is a common link between them, btw, not inherently but in something said about them on a CD liner note...

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 04, 2010, 05:37:33 AM
Is 471 Nancarrow?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 04, 2010, 05:39:23 AM
No. Too hard for that!  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 07, 2010, 01:41:57 AM
OK, more detailed clue on those two - both are mentioned (or mentioned by implication) in the liner notes of a CD. This CD, of New Complexity piano pieces, includes one particular piece which the performer, writing in the notes, says is one of the very hardest pieces in the entire piano literature. The two samples I give are amongst the select other few 'hardest ever' that he mentions in those notes. He's a pianist who ought to know, btw, because he's probably the leading specialist in this sort of repertoire, so the names of these pieces are sometimes trotted out on 'hardest ever piano piece' threads by people like me who are prepared to take his word for it.

Anyway, here are a few others if anyone wants to have a go:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 07, 2010, 02:48:31 AM
One more - ought to be easy, but I love this one! Programatically allusive notation, very nifty....  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 07, 2010, 02:51:52 AM
Can't resist - one more:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 07, 2010, 03:48:19 AM
474 is from the 2nd movement of the Rakhmaninov Second Concerto. Trust me to scoop in the low-hanging fruit! ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 07, 2010, 03:57:08 AM
....except, trust me me to put in a trick one, and that's the one, I'm afraid! Mean, huh!?

(the clue is that this one is in A, the concerto movement is in E)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 07, 2010, 04:03:01 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 07, 2010, 03:48:19 AM
474 is from the 2nd movement of the Rakhmaninov Second Concerto. Trust me to scoop in the low-hanging fruit! ; )

Though if you look not too closely you'd think it could be the Moonlight Sonata!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 07, 2010, 04:03:40 AM
Oh, I am just sore as a sunburnt neck now! LOL
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 07, 2010, 04:06:06 AM
Well, it was a trick one, and clearly you aren't very far at all from the right answer, actually.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on July 08, 2010, 03:04:01 AM
So do 471 + 472 relate to the recording of Richard Barrett's Tract made by Ian Pace?
I can't identify the pieces quoted, but I'll take a punt at Ferneyhough Lemma-Icon-Epigram and Finnissy Verdi transcriptions (the second did vaguely look like a transcription of something). Pace also mentions Xenakis's Evryali, Clarence Barlow's Çogluotobüsisletmesi, Walter Zimmermann's Wüstenwanderung, , Stockhausen Piano piece X, Bussotti's Pour clavier, and, no doubt oh so much more. [Unfortunately he does like to drop names (anyone seen his repertoire list or read any interviews?) even if he must be an extraordinary sight-reader to be able to play all those notes.]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 08, 2010, 03:08:10 AM
You're absolutely right except in the pieces you guess at - the correct answers are amongst the others you mention (Lemma-Icon-Epigram is implicitly not one of the 'hardest pieces', I'm guessing, as it is on that disc and yet not talked about in that paragraph)

So, I suppose I might as well say, the first one is Barlow's wonderfully titled Çogluotobüsisletmesi and the second Zimmermann's Wüstenwanderung - this first page is pretty playable, but later on....  :o

Nice work!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 08, 2010, 03:28:28 AM
Bravo, Dax!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 08, 2010, 03:48:58 AM
The others of my new ones are all by much more famous composers; the most minor of them is still an extremely well-known name. And the one that Karl thought was Rachmaninov's 2nd PC - well, it is Rachmaninov, just not the PC.

I suppose I ought to reveal the answers to all my unsolved ones, from all those months ago- there are some nice ones in there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 08, 2010, 03:52:33 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 08, 2010, 03:48:58 AM
The others of my new ones are all by much more famous composers; the most minor of them is still an extremely well-known name. And the one that Karl thought was Rachmaninov's 2nd PC - well, it is Rachmaninov, just not the PC.

Thanks!  Wasn't sure whether we were talking a quotation by someone else, which would leave me utterly at sea.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 11, 2010, 04:37:17 AM
OK, fellas, whether or not this thread is to continue - and I hope it does, it's time to tidy some things up, as they were left in the spring. First off, here are the traditional links to the lists of previously identified scores:

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
and
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)

Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)

Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)

Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)

Now, this is how things were left a few months ago. I've filled in all the scores identified up till now, and, of mine, I have filled in in bold and in red, the answers to those of mine that were missing. As you can see, there are still a few unidentified of Guido's and Maciek's. Clues, boys, or maybe just the answers now!

Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
60 - Dutilleux - 3 Strophes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299290.html#msg299290)
61 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299293.html#msg299293)
62 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299294.html#msg299294)
63 - Dvorak - Waldesruhe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299295.html#msg299295)
64 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299298.html#msg299298)
65 a and b - Feldman - Patterns in a Chromatic Field - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299300.html#msg299300)


Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - Tippet - Little Music - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - Britten - Curlew River - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - Britten - Spring Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - Tippett - The Vision of St Augustine - (revealed by Luke) - this page is the vision itself, folks! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - Stravinsky - Dumbarton Oaks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - Sculthorpe - Kakadu - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - Respighi - Pines of Rome - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - Tippett - Quartet no 3 - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - Maxwell Davies - Five Little Piano Pieces - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - Puccini - Tango - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - Janacek - 'Zdenka' Variations - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - Jellinek - Zwolftonwerk op 15 - Toccata Funebre - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - Korngold - Violin Concerto - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - Respighi - Roman Festivals - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
426 - Dukas - Prelude Elegiaque (sur le nom de Haydn) - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - Debussy - Homage a Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - Ravel - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - Hahn - Theme varie sur le nom de Haydn - revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - D'Indy - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
431 - Ravel - Berceuse sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - Koechlin - Choral sur le nom de Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - Schmidt - Homage sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)
437 - Stevenson - Preludette on the name George Gershwin - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - Boy Wanted - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - Janacek - Riklada (note the ocarina part, that was the big clue)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - von Reznicek - Violin Concerto - rappy (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - Janacek - The Ballad of Blanik - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - Webern - Piano Quintet - Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - Judith Weir - The art of touching the keyboard - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - Pentasonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - Tchaikovsky - Symphony no 2 - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - Brahms - Rinaldo - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - utility piece by 'G.W. Marks' = possibly the very young Brahms - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - Dussek - Sonata in F sharp - Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - Suk - Scherzo Fantastique - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - Farwell - Impressions of the Wa-Wan ceremony of the Omahas - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - Stanford - The Blue Bird - revealed by Luke, who is shocked no one got this, one of the most gorgeous of all pieces of choral music. Hunt it down and hear it!   (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - Chausson - Concert for violin, piano, string quartet - Maciek -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
457 - Schoenberg - Wind Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
458 - Schoenberg - Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
459 - Schoenberg - 5 Orchestral Pieces op 16 - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - Schoenberg - Die Jakobsleiter - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - Piano Concerto - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - Schoenberg - piece for piano duet - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
463 - Schoenberg - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - Schoenberg - Accompaniment to a Film Scene - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - Schubert - B flat sonata - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
466 - Schoenberg - Chamber Symhpony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - Schoenberg - Folksong setting - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
468 - Loeffler - La mort de Tintagiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg285146.html#msg285146)
469 was one I made a mistake with - here it is. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg357505.html#msg357505) Thought it was a Humperdinck insert into Parsifal, but turns out it's just Wagner. I also have another 469 in my files, but I can't find where I posted it - in any case, it is Ferneyhough, Mnemosyne, for bass flute plus 8 taped siblings.
470 - Rimsky Korsakov - Russian Easter Festival Overture - Sforzando (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426152.html#msg426152)
471 - C Barlow - Çogluotobüsisletmesi - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426164.html#msg426164)
472 - W Zimmermann - Wüstenwanderung - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426164.html#msg426164)
screw-up! no 473
474 - Rachmaninov - ? - Karl (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
475 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
476 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
477 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
478 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427152.html#msg427152)
479 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427153.html#msg427153)

Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)
104 - Szymanowski - Myths (Dryads and Pan) - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298914.html#msg298914)
105 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301020.html#msg301020)
106 - Bacewicz - PIano Sonata no 2 - Taxes (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301021.html#msg301021)
107 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301165.html#msg301165)
108 - Bacewicz - Music for String, Trumpets and Percussion - Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301168.html#msg301168)
109 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301169.html#msg301169)
110 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301170.html#msg301170)
111 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301174.html#msg301174)
112 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305631.html#msg305631)
113 - Szymanowski - Quartet no 2 - Taxes (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305632.html#msg305632)
114 - Bacewicz - String Quartet no 7 - Taxes  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305633.html#msg305633)
115 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305634.html#msg305634)
116 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305637.html#msg305637)
117 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305638.html#msg305638)
118 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305640.html#msg305640)
119 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306307.html#msg306307)
120 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306310.html#msg306310)

Set by Karl
2 (bet you don't remember setting one before Karl, do you? but my records show otherwise!!  ;D ) - Albeniz - Asturias - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298927.html#msg298927)
3 - Bartok - Allegro Barbaro - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298929.html#msg298929)
4 - Prokofiev - Toccata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298930.html#msg298930)
5 - Rachmaninov - Isle of the Dead - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298939.html#msg298939)
6 - Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298940.html#msg298940)
7 - Sibelius - Valse Triste - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298944.html#msg298944)
8 - Chopin - Prelude (A minor) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
9 - Mahler - Ruckert Lieder - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
10 - Palestrina - Sicut cervus - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
11 - Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
12 - Beethoven - Eroica - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
13 - Holst - The Planets - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
15 - Wagner - Parsifal Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
16 - Bartok - Quartet no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
17 - Sibelius - Symphony no 4 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
18 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 7 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
19 - Satie - Embyrons Dessechees - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
20 - Brahms - Horn Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)

Set by Taxes
1 - Faure - Cello Sonata 1 - Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
2 - Alkan - Concerto for solo piano - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
3 - Haydn - Sonata - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
4 - Liszt - Sonata - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
5 - Beethoven - Emperor Concerto - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)

Set by Sforzando
77 - Vorisek - Symphony in D - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354511.html#msg354511)
78 - Dittersdorf - Quartet in G - Rappy  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354511.html#msg354511)
79 - D'Indy - Istar - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354512.html#msg354512)
80 - Elgar - In the South - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354512.html#msg354512)
81 - Raff - Symphony no 5 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg425301.html#msg425301)


Set  by Rappy
1 - Schubert - G major Quartet - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
2 - Brahms - Hungarian Dance 1 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
3 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
4 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561)
5 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561)
6 - Beethoven - E minor Quartet - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
7 - Mahler - 9th symphony - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
8 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
9 - Brahms - Piano Concerto no 2 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)

Set by James
1 - Zappa - The Black Page - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg373162.html#msg373162)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 11, 2010, 07:32:54 AM
Great, Luke, thanks! This week I'll undertake an extension of my own offerings.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 12, 2010, 12:59:04 PM
My remaining ones are all outrageously unfair. Can't believe I set them!

59: Suite - Vocalise, Op. 41, No. 2 Medtner
61: Elegy for cello and piano by Gordon Jacob. I played this one so much when I was a teen - love it still!
62: The Fall of the Leaf for solo cello by Imogen Holst
64: Prelude for cello and piano by Moeran.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 12, 2010, 01:21:36 PM
Aww, Guido, obviously I knew all those! If only you'd just given me another 5 minutes....  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 12, 2010, 03:03:35 PM
Quote from: Luke on July 12, 2010, 01:21:36 PM
Aww, Guido, obviously I knew all those! If only you'd just given me another 5 minutes....  ;D ;D

That's what they all say . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 12, 2010, 06:04:13 PM
Erm... little help here guys? Mystery Score without the score! Actually driving me mad.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,16797.msg429537.html#new
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 14, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
Here's a great one I got today - couldn't believe I actually stumbled across this score....

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 14, 2010, 07:19:02 AM
No idea.  And while I am assembling more to post myself, I feel they must be appallingly obvious : )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 14, 2010, 07:25:58 AM
The one I just posted is about the least subtle piece of music ever composed, and very politically incorrect....it's trash, but it's fun trash!

Anyway, Karl, bring them on!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 14, 2010, 07:32:10 AM
I'll scan some pages tonight, after I put in my dutiful hour of work in at the viola sonata.  I'll try to be organized enough to post images tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 14, 2010, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: Luke on July 14, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
Here's a great one I got today - couldn't believe I actually stumbled across this score....

Judging from the font, it looks modern Russian, and if very politically incorrect, sounds like one of those Soviet apparatchiks. Maybe a piano concerto by Khrennikov, Tcherepnin, or Khatchaturian, but I couldn't pin it down based on the score samples I've found.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 14, 2010, 09:15:07 PM
Yes, that's all good guesswork, except it isn't a concerto, and it isn't by one of the composers you mention. But it has been called 'the most recognisable piece of the Soviet era'.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 15, 2010, 01:41:47 AM
Too heavily scored for Peter & the Wolf ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: The new erato on July 15, 2010, 01:47:12 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 14, 2010, 09:15:07 PM
Yes, that's all good guesswork, except it isn't a concerto, and it isn't by one of the composers you mention. But it has been called 'the most recognisable piece of the Soviet era'.
One of Prokofiev's homages to Stalin or the like?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 15, 2010, 01:54:02 AM
Much more widely recognisable. To millions of Russians. There's a hint there, if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 15, 2010, 01:57:16 AM
Come on, lads. Time marches on....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Drasko on July 15, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 15, 2010, 01:57:16 AM
Come on, lads. Time marches on....

Время, вперед!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 15, 2010, 02:00:48 AM
Bingo! Composer?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: The new erato on July 15, 2010, 02:04:45 AM
Russian National Anthem.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Drasko on July 15, 2010, 02:05:20 AM
Georgi Sviridov
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 15, 2010, 02:06:33 AM
Drasko got it already..


I'm uploading an mp3 and the score for your delectation. Brutal, functional orchestration, doesn't pull any punches!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 15, 2010, 02:12:41 AM
It's the main theme from Sviridov's music for the film Time, Forward! - (Время, вперёд!, Vremya, vperyod!) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time,_Forward!) - hence my clue above, which Drasko got immediately. It was used for years as the signature tune for the news programme Vremya

Score (of the suite from the film) - http://www.mediafire.com/?3ytqntgtzmzgyim
mp3 (of the main title only) - http://www.mediafire.com/?m0izdkwim0ynzaw

Short film of Russian constructivist art using this piece as a soundtrack that I just found
http://www.nfb.ca/film/tower_bawher
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 17, 2010, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 14, 2010, 07:32:10 AM
I'll scan some pages tonight, after I put in my dutiful hour of work in at the viola sonata.  I'll try to be organized enough to post images tomorrow evening.

Oh, gosh, what did Maria do with the scanner? . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 17, 2010, 06:39:46 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 17, 2010, 09:56:04 AM
Oh, gosh, what did Maria do with the scanner? . . .
Well, I found it in my mailbox, with a ribbon on it. I thought it was a little odd...
(i'll send it back)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 17, 2010, 07:10:03 PM
Found it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on July 17, 2010, 07:42:50 PM
The mailman drove awfully quick today...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 20, 2010, 08:26:06 PM
Not to seem to make a dog-&-pony show of it, but I have at last done some scanning.

But it's half past midnight, and I'll wait until tomorrow to post the lot.

Cheers, lads!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 07:38:53 AM
Getting there. I've now reordered and re-named the files (the names I first gave the files were quite anonymous enough, but there was no reason not to do it proper and harmonize the names with the thread).  I scanned at a nice tasty resolution, but of course that means they're enormous files, far too large to attach . . . so now I'm reducing them, but I still want them to be nice and visible (hope that doesn't strain forum capacity . . . .)

Probably start posting them within the half-hour.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 07:56:02 AM
Looks like I'll spread this over 15 posts . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 07:56:36 AM
[EDIT] Sfz has claimed the Dvořák . . . the start of the brass chorale recap was probably one big clue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 07:58:55 AM
25 might have been [even more?] obvious if I had revealed actual text . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:07:24 AM
Decided to include the text-y 27; remember, no googling! ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:08:06 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:08:43 AM
32 is a reduction
[EDIT] Sfz pegged the Berg . . . even with the regretful blur on the left side, Es ist genug fairly leaps out in the bottom of the string choir.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:08:47 AM
Immediately obvious: 24 - Dvorak New World, 26 - IS Histoire du Soldat, 31 - Berg Vln Concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:09:29 AM
.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:10:40 AM
37 is a reduction
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:11:11 AM
40 is a reduction
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:11:41 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:12:25 AM
Both 43 & 44 are reductions.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:12:52 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:13:19 AM
.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:13:58 AM
50 is from a vocal score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:08:47 AM
Immediately obvious: 24 - Dvorak New World, 26 - IS Histoire du Soldat, 32 - Berg Vln Concerto.

Yes;  some pieces, I wonder if any of the pages could not be a give-away : )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:16:44 AM
42 looks like Messiaen's Quatuor (minus the clarinet).

I'm not home so can't consult my scores to verify anything else yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:08:47 AM
Immediately obvious: 24 - Dvorak New World, 26 - IS Histoire du Soldat, 32 - Berg Vln Concerto.

31, you meant.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:16:44 AM
42 looks like Messiaen's Quatuor (minus the clarinet).

Yes, from the second movement, Vocalise, pour l'Ange qui annonce la fin du Temps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 08:17:49 AM
31, you meant.

Fixed in my original post. 50 is from IS's Requiem Canticles.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:29:00 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
Fixed in my original post. 50 is from IS's Requiem Canticles.

I knew you would bag that one, as well!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:29:41 AM
48 looks like one of those Copland piano thingies - Fantasy, Variations, Sonata - I can never keep 'em straight.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:35:41 AM
Yes, though we should settle which : )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 08:35:41 AM
Yes, though we should settle which : )

Will have to wait until this evening when I'm home.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:41:19 AM
I'm guessing 45 as the D major fugue from Shosty's op. 87 - a work I don't know really well.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:43:21 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 08:41:19 AM
I'm guessing 45 as the D major fugue from Shosty's op. 87 - a work I don't know really well.

There I've misled you; but Shostakovich's set was the example for the actual composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:48:36 AM
Whenever I listen to 36, I smile . . . can't be many pieces where it's the third trumpet who's allowed to shine a bit.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:54:58 AM
Takes a certain kind of voice to sing that ascending gesture at the start of 44 and stay reasonably true to the composer's marking of ppp.

(Some of these scores are in my possession thanks to a neighbor's generosity . . . not that there's any pressure . . . .)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:56:17 AM
34 is not actually as antique as it may seem; it's designedly an allusion to the past.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 21, 2010, 08:58:07 AM
No.30 is very odd in that the vocal parts are put in the middle of the string parts... hmmm........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 08:59:15 AM
Good eye, Guido!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 08:10:40 AM
37 is a reduction

And the fellow who prepared the reduction is famous in his own right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:44:13 AM
Damn - looks like I missed all the fun. I see Sfz's bagged some already (ones I would have got) and so I've only scanned up to 37 and I want to get it before anyone else does, if they havne't already - it's from Gurrelieder, the part where Waldemar's men sink back to rest.

edit - hang on, looking closer, it might not be....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 09:44:23 AM
35 - Roussel 3rd symphony Gm
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
And the fellow who prepared the reduction is famous in his own right.

Berg, I'd guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 09:46:02 AM
Yes to all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:44:13 AM
Damn - looks like I missed all the fun.

Not all the fun, we hope!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
And 41 is from OM's Quartet for the end of time - sorry if these have been identified already, I'm posting as I view..
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:48:14 AM
44 is Herzegewachse
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 09:49:58 AM
Larry did pip you at the post on the Messiaen; Herzgewächse is right on!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:51:11 AM
OK, so the easy ones have gone, time to settle down to a good bit of detective work - thanks, Karl, it's been a long time since we had a good bash at this game!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 09:55:02 AM
I'm having fun, because it's my first serious attempt at what you are so apt at on this thread, Luke . . . a nice balance to the challenge.  There are a few more which I thought might be obvious, too, but I'm glad not all the fruit hung too low.

The other thing is, I managed at last to comb through some of my scores (not always an easy thing, ours is not a large apartment, so things like scores to which I do not need regular access, tend to be in hidden rows in the back of shelves).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:58:16 AM
22 is Debussy's Rondes de Printemps. Clearly Debussy to look at, and that 12/8 metre belongs to this piece very much. So I went to my shelves and checked...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:00:55 AM
Oui.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:03:39 AM
Is 23 Honegger's 5th, Di Tre Re?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:05:39 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:03:39 AM
Is 23 Honegger's 5th, Di Tre Re?

Yes, nicely done!  Had that one gone any time unclaimed, I should have indicated that there is a clue larger than may appear on the page . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:07:14 AM
Well, the three final Ds and the date and place of completion helped, to be honest!  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:08:02 AM
Going to guess the next one is Monteverdi
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
Blimey, all of a sudden 30 reminds me of Nielsen's 3rd, a score I haven't seen for 15 years at least. Could it be?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:10:42 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:07:14 AM
Well, the three final Ds and the date and place of completion helped, to be honest!  0:)

Oof, meant to trim the date & place . . . ah well.

Monteverdi, yes . . . not sure what level of detail we want here . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:10:51 AM
lol- and I hadn't even seen the vocalising soprano and tenor parts when I posted that! It was just the feel of the thing... But now I'm more certain!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
Blimey, all of a sudden 30 reminds me of Nielsen's 3rd, a score I haven't seen for 15 years at least. Could it be?

Yes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 10:10:42 AM
Oof, meant to trim the date & place . . . ah well.

Well, it was clearly a mid-20th-century French Honegger-ish figure, so we'd have got there in the end. I hope!

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng link=topic=3125.msg432416#msg432416b]Monteverdi[/b], yes . . . not sure what level of detail we want here . . . .[/font]

Is this much enough?

MONTEVERDI
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:15:35 AM
Next one is a reduction of a piano concerto, G major, looks perky in one of those P composers ways - Prokofiev or Poulenc. But it's not the second, so I'm going for the first, and it's not 1, 2, or 3, and it's two hands so it isn't 4, so is it 5?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:16:57 AM
I need to draw breath....  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
MONTEVERDI

From the seventh book of madrigals, yes ; )

Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:15:35 AM
Next one is a reduction of a piano concerto, G major, looks perky in one of those P composers ways - Prokofiev or Poulenc. But it's not the second, so I'm going for the first, and it's not 1, 2, or 3, and it's two hands so it isn't 4, so is it 5?

It is the Fifth, the middle movement, Toccata: Allegro con fuoco.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:16:57 AM
I need to draw breath....  ;D

Well done!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 10:45:50 AM
How many are left?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:47:05 AM
Too many for comfort!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:48:34 AM
17 left . . . which I am pleased about, for it cost me some time and a little labor . . . I shouldn't want them all burnt through in an hour! : )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:49:23 AM
Speaking personally, apart form the Gurrelieder and the Herzgewachse, I haven't got any on the second page of the new ones. Quite a few of the first page are gone now, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:50:25 AM
Karl, there's always the magic of 'Prt Sc' if you have anything on your computer you want to set. That's all I can do right now, with my scanner not available.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 10:50:25 AM
Karl, there's always the magic of 'Prt Sc' if you have anything on your computer you want to set. That's all I can do right now, with my scanner not available.

True enough; I've had heavy resort to that in the past.  I have been wanting to scan stuff I've got on the shelves . . . some of which I had clean forgotten about, like that 1963 Muzgiz imprint of the reduction of the Prokofiev Fifth Concerto!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
One example which I thought might be a shade easy, I chose because it's a passage which is written such that somehow, I've never heard it in that meter.

A couple of them I have played or otherwise performed in, so a lot of this set has sentimental value for me.

One other example isn't blatant, of course . . . yet very much of the larger work.  A bit funny, because I don't think I had listened to it, at all, for a long time before I composed a certain scene of White Nights; yet, looking at the score and listening, it's almost as if that movement was a conscious model for me there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 11:21:47 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
One example which I thought might be a shade easy, I chose because it's a passage which is written such that somehow, I've never heard it in that meter.

A couple of them I have played or otherwise performed in, so a lot of this set has sentimental value for me.

One other example isn't blatant, of course . . . yet very much of the larger work.  A bit funny, because I don't think I had listened to it, at all, for a long time before I composed a certain scene of White Nights; yet, looking at the score and listening, it's almost as if that movement was a conscious model for me there.


41 - scherzo from Sibelius 2, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
I think you are right. I wondered if that was Sibelius and then for some unacocuntable reason decided it wasn't. The print style, I think.  ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 11:41:24 AM
21 is the very start of a piece, whose score has a more baldly minimalist methodology than other scores of his I have seen. Interesting that he has the descending stems on the wrong side of the notehead; and that he wanted to specify the octave transposition in the clef for the contrabassi.

28 is a not-especially-well-known piece by a staggeringly popular composer. It is the close of a Largo (maybe you gathered that already).

I think there are enough elements in 29 that are characteristic, that I shan't say much more. Interesting that the composer calls for both trombe and cornetti.

There is only one part missing in the excerpt provided for the quirkily scored 33.

34 is a number from an Album for the Young.

36 is a piece in whose dislike (or near-dislike) two disparate communities were curiously united.

38 must be non-representative in a sense; it is from an oversize score, and I selected this because it would fit on my scanner's glass.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 11:41:56 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 11:21:47 AM
41 - scherzo from Sibelius 2, I think.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:10:45 PM
Oh goodness, is 38 from Pli Selon Pli? (Don) It looked like Boulez from the off, but I concentrated on the piano part when I should have looked at the cello part - that certainly looks like one of the many striking moments from this wonderful piece that are seared on my mind from the countless listenings I gave it as a teenager!

now I'll be wrong, I bet....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:12:09 PM
Is that your score, Karl? How much do you want for it?  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:10:45 PM
Oh goodness, is 38 from Pli Selon Pli? (Don) It looked like Boulez from the off, but I concentrated on the piano part when I should have looked at the cello part - that certainly looks like one of the many striking moments from this wonderful piece that are seared on my mind from the countless listenings I gave it as a teenager!

now I'll be wrong, I bet....

That's it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 12:17:48 PM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:12:09 PM
Is that your score, Karl? How much do you want for it?  ;) 8)

Won't be parted from it! : )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:21:16 PM
Hmm, it's a hard one to track down for sensible money, that one. I only need Don, I have some of the rest - but it's Don that is the one which is so deep in my musical psyche...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 12:17:18 PM
That's it!

I should've gotten that, at least the composer.

Is 40 Milton Babbitt?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
29 is the Berlioz Te Deum - should have got that one quicker!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Is 40 Milton Babbitt?

No.

Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
29 is the Berlioz Te Deum - should have got that one quicker!

Yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:43:17 PM
Is 33 from Facade?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:44:32 PM
...which I don't know well, but the scoring is right....plus, you said one part is missing, but there's no room for another instrumental or (sung) vocal part in the score, so I'm guessing at a narrator. Hence....my guess!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 12:47:42 PM
Yes, the opening Fanfare.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:47:54 PM
36 is fascinating, all round...scarcely a clue what it is yet, though!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 01:09:33 PM
Anything strike you about the order of the score?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 01:18:12 PM
yes, plenty!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 01:26:28 PM
Though not absolutely unique, a couple of deviations from tradition are characteristic of the composer. Placing the trumpets above the horns, e.g.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 21, 2010, 01:37:39 PM
As ever staggered by all these correct guesses.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 01:41:21 PM
Complete stab in the dark, I'm sure it is wrong, just trying to narrow tings down - early Dallapiccola (e.g. the Partita...)???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
No.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
Still, there are interesting avenues to explore...

but now I need to get some sleep! I had fun with those scores tonight, thank you Karl!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 12:21:16 PM
Hmm, it's a hard one to track down for sensible money, that one. I only need Don, I have some of the rest - but it's Don that is the one which is so deep in my musical psyche...

Sheetmusicplus.com lists Don for under $40 USD.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 12:42:58 PM

No.

Oh, it's a reduction. Didn't see that at first.

43 looks like the ending of a clarinet concerto.

48 is the Copland Piano Variations.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 21, 2010, 05:25:02 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
Sheetmusicplus.com lists Don for under $40 USD.

Nice!

Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 02:15:36 PM
Oh, it's a reduction. Didn't see that at first.

43 looks like the ending of a clarinet concerto.

48 is the Copland Piano Variations.

Yes on both.  Not sure what hint I could give on the concerto which would not give the game away.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 05:25:02 PM
Nice!

Yes on both.  Not sure what hint I could give on the concerto which would not give the game away.

It's not the Copland. But there are not a lot of clarinet concertos. I'm guessing it could be the Corigliano but am not sure of that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:09:57 PM
is 47 Hindemith, Concert Music, op 50?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:10:26 PM
Good morning, btw....  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 03:33:04 AM
Good morning, lads!

Quote from: Luke on July 21, 2010, 09:09:57 PM
is 47 Hindemith, Concert Music, op 50?

Yes.

Quote from: Sforzando on July 21, 2010, 06:35:12 PM
It's not the Copland. But there are not a lot of clarinet concertos. I'm guessing it could be the Corigliano but am not sure of that.

An earlier generation than Corigliano.  Like Copland's, the concerto has a kind of urbane ease of tone, apart from that agreeably woolly last page.  If my teacher hadn't suggested it for me to play, I still might not know of the piece, myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2010, 04:09:43 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 22, 2010, 03:33:04 AM
Good morning, lads!

Yes.

An earlier generation than Corigliano.  Like Copland's, the concerto has a kind of urbane ease of tone, apart from that agreeably woolly last page.  If my teacher hadn't suggested it for me to play, I still might not know of the piece, myself.

OK, I'll have to think about that. It really didn't look like any Corigliano I've seen.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 04:12:14 AM
I've seen only the very beginning of the Corigliano concerto in score . . . you're perfectly right, a very different piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2010, 06:11:00 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 22, 2010, 04:12:14 AM
I've seen only the very beginning of the Corigliano concerto in score . . . you're perfectly right, a very different piece.

How about Gerald Finzi?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 06:12:51 AM
Hints, perhaps . . . .

kh21 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)  The key to this piece's realization is scordatura.

kh25 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432298.html#msg432298)  The text would have been a giveaway.  It is a poem which was inspired by the canvas of a wanderer.

kh28 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)  This piece is connected to an event which the composer found shattering.

kh34 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)  In this piece, at least, the composer was at pains not to appear naughty.


kh36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432307.html#msg432307)  The décor for this might conceivably have been inspired by Modern Times; the composer was certainly a fan of Chaplin's.

kh39 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)  A piece which served a commemorative function.

kh40 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)  A piece commissioned by a consortium of five orchestras.

kh43 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432312.html#msg432312)  To play this the clarinetist needs to be firing on all cylinders.

kh45 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)  From a set of twenty-four, though the edition I have is half, and titled "The Sharp Keys."

kh46 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)  This piece is scarcely known, but the piece the composer wrote immediately before was an international success.

kh49 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)  Older band?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 06:18:09 AM
Another hint (or maybe hint is not the right word):  although we are hunting for eleven pieces, we are only hunting for nine composers.

Quote from: Sforzando on July 22, 2010, 06:11:00 AM
How about Gerald Finzi?

No; you were on the right tack looking for an American.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2010, 06:21:43 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 22, 2010, 06:18:09 AM
Another hint (or maybe hint is not the right word):  although we are hunting for eleven pieces, we are only hunting for nine composers.
 
No; you were on the right tack looking for an American.

Again, I'm in the office, so if it's not LB's Prelude, Fugue, and Riffs I'm going to fold on this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 06:24:18 AM
Not Lenny, I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2010, 06:38:27 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 22, 2010, 06:24:18 AM
Not Lenny, I'm afraid!

Is 28 from a Shostakovich symphony?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 06:41:51 AM
No, but you are far from frosty.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: PaulR on July 22, 2010, 07:50:36 AM
Hey Karl, is 25 Shostakovich's 14th symphony?  Seem to remember taking out the score, and looking something like, specifically the 8th movement.

Not sure if I am thinking of the right thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 08:18:13 AM
Quote from: Ring of Fire on July 22, 2010, 07:50:36 AM
Hey Karl, is 25 Shostakovich's 14th symphony?  Seem to remember taking out the score, and looking something like, specifically the 8th movement.

Not sure if I am thinking of the right thing.

Bingo!  Approaching the end of the eighth movement, a setting of "The Zaporozhian Cossacks' Reply to the Sultan of Constantinople," Appolinaire's 'textualization' of Repin's painting.  Repin was one of the artists known as передвижники, "The wanderers."
Edit :: typos
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 22, 2010, 08:30:36 AM
So, I'll giess at 43 being Piston's Clarinet Concerto, then  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 08:33:19 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 22, 2010, 08:30:36 AM
So, I'll guess at 43 being Piston's Clarinet Concerto, then  ;D

Yes . . . what gave it away? ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 22, 2010, 08:36:33 AM
Well, obviously the harmony is typical of Piston at this phase in his career...  0:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2010, 10:21:34 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 22, 2010, 08:36:33 AM
Well, obviously the harmony is typical of Piston at this phase in his career...  0:)

Oh, well. I didn't really think it was Bernstein, didn't look at bit like him, but I didn't know Piston had done one of those thingies. My knowledge of WP basically starts/stops at his three textbooks.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 22, 2010, 10:35:29 AM
Mine too, to be honest...   :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 10:39:36 AM
Well, I shouldn't even be able to say even that much, save that my clarinet instructor had me play the concerto on my Junior recital.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 22, 2010, 10:42:34 AM
I recommend the second symphony, the string sextet and the piano quintet - the rest is marginal or much the same as these pieces - the cycle is symphonies is rather repetitive even if its mostly well made and often lovely. He can write very beautiful slow movements but has a habit of slipping into note spinning in his finales.

I havent heard the clarinet concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Guido on July 22, 2010, 10:42:34 AM
I havent heard the clarinet concerto.

It's a nice piece, and now that I've found a good pianist, I should work it back up and trot it out sometime.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 12:05:47 PM
Up-to-the-minute reduction:

kh21 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)  The key to this piece's realization is scordatura.

kh28 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)  This piece is connected to an event which the composer found shattering.

kh34 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)  In this piece, at least, the composer was at pains not to appear naughty.


kh36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432307.html#msg432307)  The décor for this might conceivably have been inspired by Modern Times; the composer was certainly a fan of Chaplin's.

kh39 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)  A piece which served a commemorative function.

kh40 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)  A piece commissioned by a consortium of five orchestras.

kh45 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)  From a set of twenty-four, though the edition I have is half, and titled "The Sharp Keys."

kh46 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)  This piece is scarcely known, but the piece the composer wrote immediately before was an international success.

kh49 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)  Older band?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 22, 2010, 01:23:26 PM
Is 39 Bartok by any chance?
Is 40 a piano concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 01:32:13 PM
Yes to both. Which & which? : )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 22, 2010, 01:46:17 PM
40 - Hailstork??? (I've never heard it)

I'll get back to you on the Bartok - I think I know, but have to check with a recording.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 22, 2010, 02:00:17 PM
Dance Suite, 4th mvt (Molto tranquillo)! Have no idea what it commemorated, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on July 22, 2010, 04:28:58 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2010, 08:43:21 AM
There I've misled you; but Shostakovich's set was the example for the actual composer.

Rodion Schedrin's The Sharp Keys and The Flat Keys.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 22, 2010, 06:31:00 PM
Yes, gentlemen both!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 05:16:42 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 22, 2010, 02:00:17 PM
Dance Suite, 4th mvt (Molto tranquillo)! Have no idea what it commemorated, though.

QuoteBuda, Óbuda, and Pest were united into one city, Budapest, in 1873. In 1923 the City Council commissioned Bartók, Dohnányi, and Kodály to compose works for the fiftieth anniversary of the unification. Dohnányi fulfilled the commission with his Festive Overture, Kodály with Psalmus Hungaricus, and Bartók with the Dance Suite.

Nice program notes for the piece here (http://www.bartokujsorozat.hu/english.asp?id=24).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 05:24:36 AM
Up-to-the-minute reduction:

kh21 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)  Composer's favorite pastime is Rummikub.

kh28 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)  The villain in the incident referred to earlier was actually a fellow musician.

kh34 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)  A piece for children, so no limerick.


kh36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432307.html#msg432307)  Not Antheil, but nonetheless a model ballet mécanique.

kh40 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)  Third of four (so far).

kh46 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)  Admittedly, a genre for which the composer is not particularly noted.

kh49 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)  Don't nod, Don: Older band?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 05:42:44 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 23, 2010, 05:24:36 AM

kh40 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)  Third of four (so far).


Well, I think that Wuorinen has written four piano concerti so far. But I know nothing about the history of the third...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 05:49:38 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 23, 2010, 05:24:36 AM
kh21 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)  Composer's favorite pastime is Rummikub.

Andriessen?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 05:50:24 AM
That's it. And it is an obscure enough history, that one would practically have to have read the liner notes to the disc to know it, methinks ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 05:50:47 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 05:49:38 AM
Andriessen?

Yes . . . any stab at the piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 05:54:39 AM
I'm looking through his catalog to see what might fit... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 05:57:41 AM
Well, Symphony for open strings (1978) fits the score perfectly (5-0-2-3-2), so that's my guess. Though I also glanced at some notes about the piece, and the description doesn't really fit, well, not like a glove at least.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 06:03:00 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 05:57:41 AM
Well, Symphony for open strings (1978) fits the score perfectly (5-0-2-3-2), so that's my guess. Though I also glanced at some notes about the piece, and the description doesn't really fit, well, not like a glove at least.

But this is just the first system, of course; you're right, Maciek, it's the Symphonie voor losse snaren.  What seemed to be amiss in the description?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 06:09:22 AM
The piece was described somewhere as "romantic", whatever that means. It looks (and your description confirms that impression) extremely minimalistic, which, at least for me, wouldn't be the same thing. But then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 06:10:43 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 06:09:22 AM
The piece was described somewhere as "romantic", whatever that means. It looks (and your description confirms that impression) extremely minimalistic, which, at least for me, wouldn't be the same thing. But then...

Hmm, that's playing rather loose with the adjective Romantic, I agree.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 06:11:08 AM
Could 36 be Pas d'acier?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 06:16:20 AM
Yes, The Factory scene (L'usine). Well done!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 06:17:32 AM
Maciek's mopping up, here : )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on July 23, 2010, 08:10:20 AM
 ;D I did use to have an avatar with a mop, does anyone still remember?

But frankly, I'm stumped on the remaining ones, so no more mopping from me (at least for the time being, until the next batch of clues arrives perhaps).



Oh, and thanks for notes about Dance Suite! 8) Had no idea.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on July 23, 2010, 08:17:38 AM
Most of the rest are obscure enough, that I should probably just reveal 'em.

I'll let them set a bit yet, though.  And one item is standard repertory, at least in principle.  Whether a conductor would make any traditional cuts is another question . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 23, 2010, 01:24:10 PM
Won't be here for a while, not sure how long, so I will leave you with a little gift. Probably quite easy to work out what these are - but what is the link between the two? The last 3 are all the same thing, I'm just feeling generous and giving you three different views of it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on July 23, 2010, 03:35:02 PM
Some hints for the scores I set:

3: (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560) On The next page, the violins take over the bass motif - molto agitato - the music approaches a climax.
Famous piece for large orchestra.

4: (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561) This is the closing section of a sonata exposition.

6: (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562) This is from a piece written for young people.

8: (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562) Long movement, slow tempo. The key signature could be another hint.

They pieces are well known. I'm sure you all know them very well!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on July 24, 2010, 12:43:46 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 23, 2010, 06:03:00 AM
But this is just the first system, of course; you're right, Maciek, it's the Symphonie voor losse snaren.  What seemed to be amiss in the description?

What do we think of this work? I thought it rather arid and dull - a shame because its such a wonderful idea.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on August 01, 2010, 02:30:05 PM
It would be useful if some of the unsolved mysteries could be re-posted, as the idea of searching through the 244 pages to find them is a turn-off to someone approaching this topic for the first time.
I'll add a simple one, there are three eighth-notes (D's a minor third above the shown Bb) for the horns that are not shown.   This should be almost a trivia question.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 01, 2010, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: listener on August 01, 2010, 02:30:05 PM
It would be useful if some of the unsolved mysteries could be re-posted, as the idea of searching through the 244 pages to find them is a turn-off to someone approaching this topic for the first time.
I'll add a simple one, there are three eighth-notes (D's a minor third above the shown Bb) for the horns that are not shown.

There's no need to search for any of the old scores, there's always a list of scores solved and unsolved within the last few pages, and all these scores are hyperlinked from that list. So you only need to click...

it's late here and I'm not sure what your new one could be, OTTOMH, so I'm going to have to sleep on it! Glad to see you join the Greatest Thread on GMG!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 02, 2010, 01:31:44 AM
Luke, I am sure you'd be able to reveal all the scores I set.  :)

Btw.: Don't know the new score, either. Looks like a parody over Beethoven's 5th. But it's not Kagel?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Brian on August 08, 2010, 06:47:39 PM
Here's a real mystery score! Assuming you guys take requests.  :P

A friend of a friend posted this on Facebook. My friend commented on it, enabling me to see it, but the person playing it is not my friend, thereby un-enabling me from asking what it is. But I really am curious to know what the piece is, for reasons which will be obvious to you. Does anybody know what this could be?

The person who posted it is a cellist.

EDIT: A bit of stalking reveals that last week she was playing Corigliano.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on August 08, 2010, 07:00:10 PM
That looks like it's printed on carbon paper.    Here's a doctored copy
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 15, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
Hey,

my little game has grown a little bit! There are many more levels now with some new specials... let's see if you'll reach the end! Luke? :)

http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/index.php

Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on August 16, 2010, 12:19:56 AM
Quote from: rappy on July 23, 2010, 03:35:02 PM
Some hints for the scores I set:

They pieces are well known. I'm sure you all know them very well!

I'm having problems matching item, bild and hint numbers, and my computer is ailing as well.
maybe this is Strauss'  Til Eulenspiegel?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 16, 2010, 02:07:15 AM
I'm sorry, but Luke already revealed that one. It's from Mahler 9, first movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on August 16, 2010, 03:37:06 AM
Quote from: rappy on August 16, 2010, 02:07:15 AM
I'm sorry, but Luke already revealed that one. It's from Mahler 9, first movement.
lol, I just saw this:

Quote from: listener on August 16, 2010, 12:19:56 AM
I'm having problems matching item, bild and hint numbers, and my computer is ailing as well.
maybe this is Strauss'  Til Eulenspiegel?

and knew what it was, even though I had no idea it had even been posted already.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 16, 2010, 04:22:07 AM
Hehe. You should try out my quiz (the link I posted above).  :D

In the upper levels there will be samples like this:

(http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/lvl4/xxy.png)

Do you know it?  :)

(No, it's not necessarily baroque)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 07:15:52 AM
Refresh:

kh28 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)  This piece is connected to an event which the composer found shattering.

kh34 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)  In this piece, at least, the composer was at pains not to appear naughty.


kh46 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)  This piece is scarcely known, but the piece the composer wrote immediately before was an international success.

kh49 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)  Older band?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 07:22:27 AM
Might add that the composers of kh34 and kh46 were already represented in that "batch" by one other piece, each.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 07:23:12 AM
The composer of kh28 is their countryman.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 07:35:47 AM
By coincidence, Karl, am just refreshing the list of links right now, though I have to go out for a while and won't be able to post it till later....

Will be good to dig into these again. Rappy's quiz gets very hard once you're past the first 35 - he's a swine!! I've managed no 36, but 37 is stumping me at the moment...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 24, 2010, 09:04:03 AM
Luke, just try out a bit! You already had some good guesses concerning composer, instrumentation, tonality... You are not far away  :)
If it's not the main theme, what could the main key of the piece be? Having in mind the era it was written in.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 09:06:29 AM
You are evil, Ralph! But you're one of us, also ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 24, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
So the latter outweighs the former?  8)

I find this thread to be much more evil, as of many of the composers whose scores you pick I've only read in a lexicon yet.  :-[

I'll have to create a mode which allows one to start at #36, so that everyone can come to enjoy my evilness!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 10:18:37 AM
OK, I'm a bit surprised at how many pages back the last list was - a bit of a flurry of activity here for a few days, wasn't there. But it's left the place a bit confused, which never helps the quiz flow as it should, so time to do some tidying up, in the standard way.

First off the requisite links to the old lists:
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)
Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)
Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)
Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)

Set by Guido

55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - Medtner - Vocalise from Suite op 41 - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
60 - Dutilleux - 3 Strophes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299290.html#msg299290)
61 - Jacob - Elegy - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299293.html#msg299293)
62 - Imogen Holst - The Fall of the Leaf - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299294.html#msg299294)
63 - Dvorak - Waldesruhe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299295.html#msg299295)
64 - Moeran - Prelude - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299298.html#msg299298)
65 a and b - Feldman - Patterns in a Chromatic Field - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299300.html#msg299300)


Set by Luke

401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - Tippet - Little Music - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - Britten - Curlew River - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - Britten - Spring Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - Tippett - The Vision of St Augustine - (revealed by Luke) - this page is the vision itself, folks! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - Stravinsky - Dumbarton Oaks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - Sculthorpe - Kakadu - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - Respighi - Pines of Rome - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - Tippett - Quartet no 3 - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - Maxwell Davies - Five Little Piano Pieces - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - Puccini - Tango - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - Janacek - 'Zdenka' Variations - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - Jellinek - Zwolftonwerk op 15 - Toccata Funebre - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - Korngold - Violin Concerto - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - Respighi - Roman Festivals - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
426 - Dukas - Prelude Elegiaque (sur le nom de Haydn) - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - Debussy - Homage a Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - Ravel - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - Hahn - Theme varie sur le nom de Haydn - revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - D'Indy - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
431 - Ravel - Berceuse sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - Koechlin - Choral sur le nom de Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - Schmidt - Homage sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)
437 - Stevenson - Preludette on the name George Gershwin - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - Boy Wanted - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - Janacek - Riklada  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - von Reznicek - Violin Concerto - rappy (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - Janacek - The Ballad of Blanik - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - Webern - Piano Quintet - Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - Judith Weir - The art of touching the keyboard - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - Pentasonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - Tchaikovsky - Symphony no 2 - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - Brahms - Rinaldo - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - utility piece by 'G.W. Marks' = possibly the very young Brahms - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - Dussek - Sonata in F sharp - Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - Suk - Scherzo Fantastique - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - Farwell - Impressions of the Wa-Wan ceremony of the Omahas - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - Stanford - The Blue Bird - revealed by Luke   (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - Chausson - Concert for violin, piano, string quartet - Maciek -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
457 - Schoenberg - Wind Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
458 - Schoenberg - Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
459 - Schoenberg - 5 Orchestral Pieces op 16 - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - Schoenberg - Die Jakobsleiter - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - Piano Concerto - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - Schoenberg - piece for piano duet - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
463 - Schoenberg - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - Schoenberg - Accompaniment to a Film Scene - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - Schubert - B flat sonata - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
466 - Schoenberg - Chamber Symhpony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - Schoenberg - Folksong setting - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
468 - Loeffler - La mort de Tintagiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg285146.html#msg285146)
469 was one I made a mistake with - here it is. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg357505.html#msg357505) Thought it was a Humperdinck insert into Parsifal, but turns out it's just Wagner. I also have another 469 in my files, but I can't find where I posted it - in any case, it is Ferneyhough, Mnemosyne, for bass flute plus 8 taped siblings.
470 - Rimsky Korsakov - Russian Easter Festival Overture - Sforzando (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426152.html#msg426152)
471 - C Barlow - Çogluotobüsisletmesi - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426164.html#msg426164)
472 - W Zimmermann - Wüstenwanderung - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426164.html#msg426164)
screw-up! no 473
474 - Rachmaninov - ? - Karl (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
475 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
476 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
477 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
478 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427152.html#msg427152)
479 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427153.html#msg427153)
480 - Sviridov - Vremya Vpered - (Drasko) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg429971.html#msg429971)
481 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg433480.html#msg433480)
482 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg433480.html#msg433480)


Set by Maciek

93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)
104 - Szymanowski - Myths (Dryads and Pan) - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298914.html#msg298914)
105 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301020.html#msg301020)
106 - Bacewicz - PIano Sonata no 2 - Taxes (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301021.html#msg301021)
107 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301165.html#msg301165)
108 - Bacewicz - Music for String, Trumpets and Percussion - Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301168.html#msg301168)
109 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301169.html#msg301169)
110 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301170.html#msg301170)
111 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301174.html#msg301174)
112 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305631.html#msg305631)
113 - Szymanowski - Quartet no 2 - Taxes (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305632.html#msg305632)
114 - Bacewicz - String Quartet no 7 - Taxes  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305633.html#msg305633)
115 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305634.html#msg305634)
116 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305637.html#msg305637)
117 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305638.html#msg305638)
118 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305640.html#msg305640)
119 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306307.html#msg306307)
120 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306310.html#msg306310)

Set by Karl
2 - Albeniz - Asturias - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298927.html#msg298927)
3 - Bartok - Allegro Barbaro - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298929.html#msg298929)
4 - Prokofiev - Toccata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298930.html#msg298930)
5 - Rachmaninov - Isle of the Dead - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298939.html#msg298939)
6 - Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298940.html#msg298940)
7 - Sibelius - Valse Triste - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298944.html#msg298944)
8 - Chopin - Prelude (A minor) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
9 - Mahler - Ruckert Lieder - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
10 - Palestrina - Sicut cervus - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
11 - Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
12 - Beethoven - Eroica - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
13 - Holst - The Planets - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
15 - Wagner - Parsifal Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
16 - Bartok - Quartet no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
17 - Sibelius - Symphony no 4 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
18 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 7 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
19 - Satie - Embyrons Dessechees - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
20 - Brahms - Horn Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
21 - Andriessen - Symphony for Open Strings - (Maciek)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)
22 - Debussy - Rondes de Printemps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)
23 - Honegger - 5th Symphony 'Di Tre Re' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432297.html#msg432297)
24 - Dvorak - New World Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432297.html#msg432297)
25 - Shostakovich - 14th Symphony - (Ring of Fire) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432298.html#msg432298)
26 - Stravinsky - Histoire du Soldat - (Sforzando)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432298.html#msg432298)
27 - Monteverdi - Madrigal from book 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)
28 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)
29 - Berlioz - Te Deum - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432301.html#msg432301)
30 - Nielsen - 3rd Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432301.html#msg432301)
31 - Berg - Violin Concerto - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432303.html#msg432303)
32 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432303.html#msg432303)
33 - Walton - Facade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)
34 - Shchedrin - Album for the Young 0 (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)
35 - Roussel - 3rd Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432307.html#msg432307)
36 - Prokofiev - Le pas d'acier - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432307.html#msg432307)
37 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432308.html#msg432308)
38 - Boulez - Pli Selon Pli - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432308.html#msg432308)
39 - Bartok - Dance Suite - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)
40 - Wuorinen - 3rd Piano Concerto - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)
41 - Sibelius - 2nd Symphony - (Sforzando)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432311.html#msg432311)
42 - Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432311.html#msg432311)
43 - Piston - Clarinet Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432312.html#msg432312)
44 - Schoenberg - Herzgewachse - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432312.html#msg432312)
45 - Schedrin - The Sharp Keys and The Flat Keys - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)
46 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)
47 - Hindemith - Concert Music op 50 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432315.html#msg432315)
48 - Copland - Piano Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432315.html#msg432315)
49 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)
50 - Stravinsky- Requiem Canticles - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)


Set by Taxes
1 - Faure - Cello Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
2 - Alkan - Concerto for solo piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
3 - Haydn - Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
4 - Liszt - Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
5 - Beethoven - Emperor Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)

Set by Sforzando
77 - Vorisek - Symphony in D - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354511.html#msg354511)
78 - Dittersdorf - Quartet in G - (Rappy)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354511.html#msg354511)
79 - D'Indy - Istar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354512.html#msg354512)
80 - Elgar - In the South - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354512.html#msg354512)
81 - Raff - Symphony no 5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg425301.html#msg425301)


Set  by Rappy
1 - Schubert - G major Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
2 - Brahms - Hungarian Dance 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
3 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
4 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561)
5 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561)
6 - Beethoven - E minor Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
7 - Mahler - 9th symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
8 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
9 - Brahms - Piano Concerto no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
Link to rappy's own online score-identification game (http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/index.php)

Set by James
1 - Zappa - The Black Page - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg373162.html#msg373162)

Set by listener
1 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg436737.html#msg436737)

Set by Brian
1 - Corigliano - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg438921.html#msg438921)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 10:38:33 AM
Karl, is your 34 another Shchedrin piece, perhaps from Artless Pages or his Album for the Young?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 10:44:36 AM
Maciek scooped in kh40
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 24, 2010, 10:38:33 AM
Karl, is your 34 another Shchedrin piece, perhaps from Artless Pages or his Album for the Young?

Yes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 10:44:36 AM
Maciek scooped in kh40

MIssed that one - was it the Wuorinen 3rd PC?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 24, 2010, 10:53:08 AM
Schedrin a good composer then?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 10:56:10 AM
Personally, I have no idea! Scarcely heard anything of his. The shame! (I can live with it)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 24, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
MIssed that one - was it the Wuorinen 3rd PC?

Yes.

Quote from: Guido on August 24, 2010, 10:53:08 AM
Schedrin a good composer then?

Jury's still out by me.  In trying the case (to extend the metaphor), I happened to pick up some piano sheet music when I was in St Petersburg & Tallinn.  This sheet music is inconclusive evidence. ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:02:08 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 10:57:35 AM
Yes.

Thanks, amended.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 24, 2010, 10:56:10 AM
Personally, I have no idea! Scarcely heard anything of his. The shame! (I can live with it)

No, it must be awfully obscure. Sforz picked up the other on the clue of it being contrapuntal, and possibly one of a set.

Album for the Young, III. Играем оперу Россини (Let's Play a Rossini Opera)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 11:05:51 AM
The Naughty Limericks piece is cute, but a little modest to go by the subtitle Concerto for Orchestra.  The Carmen Suite transcription is nice enough.  I haven't yet heard (or read) anything that sets him apart from the herd.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:06:36 AM
And I got this one by your tripartite clue - the fact that it's a kids' piece; the word naughty; elsewhere the word limerick (Shchedrin having a Concerto for Orchestra subtitled Naughty Limericks). Also, it did look Russian, print-wise, which confirmed me in my guess a little.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 11:06:57 AM
Hey! Once I get this viola sonata in the can, I'll have a lash at a fresh set . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
Crossed posts.

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 11:05:51 AM
The Naughty Limericks piece is cute, but a little modest to go by the subtitle Concerto for Orchestra.  The Carmen Suite transcription is nice enough.  I haven't yet heard (or read) anything that sets him apart from the herd.

Shcherdrin?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 11:06:57 AM
Hey! Once I get this viola sonata in the can, I'll have a lash at a fresh set . . . .

In the can? Surely it's not that bad....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:08:44 AM
Would be nice to clear up the current list, especially the older ones (calling Maciek....) so that we can start a fresh one. That's turning into quite a mammoth post to juggle with!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 11:10:23 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:06:36 AM
And I got this one by your tripartite clue - the fact that it's a kids' piece; the word naughty; elsewhere the word limerick (Shchedrin having a Concerto for Orchestra subtitled Naughty Limericks). Also, it did look Russian, print-wise, which confirmed me in my guess a little.

Well harvested! : )

Quote from: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
Crossed posts.

Shchedrin?

Да, или Родион Константинович Щедрин
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 11:10:51 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 24, 2010, 11:07:46 AM
In the can? Surely it's not that bad....

Here's hoping! ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 24, 2010, 12:18:11 PM
Can means toilet.

Thinking about it are any Russian composers born during the Soviet era great? I can't think of any...

Weinberg, Gubaidulina, Schnittke, Ustvolskaya? Not convinced that any of them are truly top notch...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 12:27:03 PM
Yes, but in the can is Hollywoodspeak for "finito" . . . as in the physical film removed from the camera and stored in the metal drum.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 24, 2010, 12:27:58 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 12:27:03 PM
Yes, but in the can is Hollywoodspeak for "finito" . . . as in the physical film removed from the camera and stored in the metal drum.

yeah but I think Luke was punning...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 12:28:43 PM
He was...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 12:31:45 PM
Aye.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 24, 2010, 12:39:02 PM
Awkward.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 12:41:57 PM
*stares at feet*


;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 12:44:16 PM
ANYWAY..........


no one's had any guesses on my last two (link in list on previous page) nor on the subtle connection between them. Which is odd, because at least one of them is one of my favourite things, and very well known....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 24, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Luke, I have no clue, but if I had to guess, I would say the last one COULD be Janacek, as he often has these written-out-tremolos. The key and the fact that it is one of your favourites could also be hints?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 04:10:41 PM
[ Didn't mean to damp the flow of soul, chaps! ]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 24, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Guido on August 24, 2010, 12:18:11 PM
Can means toilet.

Thinking about it are any Russian composers born during the Soviet era great? I can't think of any...

Weinberg, Gubaidulina, Schnittke, Ustvolskaya? Not convinced that any of them are truly top notch...

I haven't investigated most of these (which might be construed as a ballot) . . . Schnittke verges onto top notch at times, perhaps.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 24, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
...and Shostakovich certainly thought that Ustvolskaya did...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 25, 2010, 08:56:25 AM
Yeah but he was also in love with her was he not. I'm not hugely enamoured with her music.

Schnittke is quite overrated as far as I can see - I think his popularity rests onthe facts that he is a bit like Shostakovich. I like the two cello sonatas fairly well, but in general the music seems like a third pressing of Shostakovich, which we already know is a third pressing of Mahler. Essentially I think there's nothing he does that Shostakovich doesn't do better, and his music can be extremely boring and just plain poor if you don't buy into the whole spiel of the depressed man/soviet angst thing that is carried over from Shostakovich (but is here even more extreme). Dunno - would like to get other's views on this - maybe I'll post on the Schnittke thread.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sydney Grew on August 27, 2010, 05:17:08 PM
Quote from: Guido on August 25, 2010, 08:56:25 AMSchnittke is quite overrated as far as I can see - I think his popularity rests on the fact that he is a bit like Shostakovich. I like the two cello sonatas fairly well, but in general the music seems like a third pressing of Shostakovich, which we already know is a third pressing of Mahler. . . . his music can be extremely boring and just plain poor if you don't buy into the whole spiel of the depressed man/soviet angst thing that is carried over from Shostakovich (but is here even more extreme). Dunno - would like to get other's views on this - maybe I'll post on the Schnittke thread.
Well said; we entirely agree. (Except that being unfamiliar with the term "third pressing" we say "seventh rater" in application to both Shystercowitch and Schnittke.) They were both plebeians of course, which must have something to do with it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 27, 2010, 06:26:10 PM
Guido was being facetious by alluding to Boulez's scornful dismissal of Shostakovich, Syd. Shostakovich was in fact a phenomenal composer, and I am not in the least interested in un-packing your [off-topic, be it noted] scorn; your remark only indicates that your musical mind is too small to fathom Shostakovich's music.  So go back and listen to your pretty little classics.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 28, 2010, 12:16:53 AM
Quote from: rappy on August 24, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Luke, I have no clue, but if I had to guess, I would say the last one COULD be Janacek, as he often has these written-out-tremolos. The key and the fact that it is one of your favourites could also be hints?

Sorry, Rappy, only just saw this reply - no, it's not Janacek, though I can see your logic. To clarify, the last three score examples are all from the same piece, I'm just being generous by giving extra samples, so, looking at the first of those three, I think it's clear why it isn't Janacek, and I hope it's clear why I might say what I said about it above. Which I'm not repeating because otherwise it is just TOO obvious.

The other one, the first one....well, I'd look closely at the scoring. It's a one-of-a-kind piece, by a composer with a big following on GMG
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 30, 2010, 02:12:45 AM
Boys, we need some progress here!! How about a few clues to my remaining ones? That's these fellas:

474 - Rachmaninov - ? - Karl (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
475 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
476 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
477 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
478 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427152.html#msg427152)
479 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427153.html#msg427153)
481 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg433480.html#msg433480)
482 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg433480.html#msg433480)


OK, so, Karl saw 474 and straightaway called it as Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. Which it isn't, but it is Rachmaninov, and is from an earlier piece; SR took this idea and used it in the concerto. Scored for a fairly odd combination (nothing massively outrageous, just a little odd).

475 - with those big Mahlerian lines...but not Mahler, of course. A famous contemporary, though, a composer with at least one very big thread on GMG. Take a look at the scoring too, if possible.

476 - a natty piece, this, scored for the very Henningesque ensemble of viola and piano (obviously), but the composer was also violinist, and a very famous one at that. Equally famous for his friendship with a great composer with whom this piece shows many similarities (some to be seen on this sample).

477 - a slightly unusual provenance, this piece by a great French composer; the music is a depiction of the waltz the wind sings down the chimneys of one of his Spanish castles (he didn't have any Spanish castles....)

478 - seriously, how hard can this be? Superb piece, this, and look at those clefs! To spell it out, these are two different G clefs, but the actual notes are the same; the violins are in unison. There is a programatic purpose to this which is to do with the French and Italian schools of composition (I think the score makes that pretty clear) - and the Muses are there because we are on Mt Parnassus

479 - like 477, an odd little scrap of almost-ephemera from a great composer, best known for his symphonies and tone poems.  Note the limited number of notes in the instrument on the lower stave - clearly some kind of folk instrument, wouldn't you say?

481 - no new clues, just remember what I said before: 1) look at the instrumentation; it's not immediately obvious, but a little Holmsian deduction (looking at clefs, key signatures and positioning in the layout) should tell you what the top three are. The bottom one....well, it's a little odd, isn't it? and 2) he's a much-discussed composer round here recently

482 (a, b and c) - the clue I gave was so big I don't want to give it again!

remember, there's a link between the last two, just for fun...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 30, 2010, 02:32:46 AM
Sorry Luke, I'm sure I've never heard any of the pieces, so the clues can be totally obvious and still don't help me.

Have you recognized #38 of my quiz yet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 30, 2010, 03:36:47 AM
Haven't looked at it much yet....a question though (an obvious one): do these infuriating alterations you are making to the scores include matters of the clef? In otherwords - is this one oiginally in the alto clef, or is that one of the changes you are allowing yourself?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 30, 2010, 03:38:14 AM
Quote from: rappy on August 30, 2010, 02:32:46 AM
Sorry Luke, I'm sure I've never heard any of the pieces, so the clues can be totally obvious and still don't help me.

Well, there's no harm in a little....research! Plus, the clues ought to be able to help you to identify the composer, in some cases.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 30, 2010, 03:41:19 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 30, 2010, 03:36:47 AM
Haven't looked at it much yet....a question though (an obvious one): do these infuriating alterations you are making to the scores include matters of the clef? In otherwords - is this one oiginally in the alto clef, or is that one of the changes you are allowing yourself?

In this case, I did not change the clef. So you can guess that the theme must probably be played by a viola or viola section.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 30, 2010, 03:49:39 AM
Clearly (or an alto trombone!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 30, 2010, 05:44:44 AM
Soon I shall bend [whatever is left of] my thought in these! ; )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 30, 2010, 06:29:09 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 28, 2010, 12:16:53 AM
Sorry, Rappy, only just saw this reply - no, it's not Janacek, though I can see your logic. To clarify, the last three score examples are all from the same piece, I'm just being generous by giving extra samples, so, looking at the first of those three, I think it's clear why it isn't Janacek, and I hope it's clear why I might say what I said about it above.

Erm... because Janacek never wrote any Jazz? Sadly I don't think I know this one... Is it a standard? I'm guessing not.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 30, 2010, 06:33:12 AM
It's extremely famous, and it is exactly what I said it was a few posts ago. Heavy hinting there...

edit - huge clue is in this post (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg443820.html#msg443820)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 30, 2010, 06:37:53 AM
There is one performer particularly associated with this song, jazz-wise, and the second and third of my three samples of it are there really because they give a flavour of his typical style; the first sample, of course, with chords and metre, might suggest the tune itself. But my clue is the big one.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on August 30, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
as usual the disc I want to use to verify my guess is hiding
so #478  Couperin   Le Parnassus ?  (from Les Gouts réunis)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on August 30, 2010, 12:35:42 PM
Well then it's Favourite Things by Roger and Hammerstein. John Coltrane is the artist you're thinking of...?

My, my, look how far my Cambridge education has brought me - to put it together like that with such meagre clues - they have literally taught me to be a genius. Staggering.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 31, 2010, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: listener on August 30, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
as usual the disc I want to use to verify my guess is hiding
so #478  Couperin   Le Parnassus ?  (from Les Gouts réunis)

Arrgh, it's hard to make one's way round those various pieces of Couperin's - I think the set called Les Gouts reunis is really connected to L'apothéose de Corelli; in fact this piece is from another visit to Parnassus, during a different apotheosis - Lully's, it goes without saying - but the same point is being made, and in fact the written description of this movement at the head of the score is 'Apollon persuade Lulli et Corelli que la reunion des gouts Francois et Italien doit faire la perfection de la musique'.

So I'll give it to you...!

Guido - correct, of course. I like how no one spotted me saying the title of this piece in the middle of one of the clues  >:D >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on August 31, 2010, 10:09:58 AM
476  Joseph JOACHIM  Variations on an original theme.  op. 10
- a neatly constructed piece in that the opening notes of the theme (re-do) can resolve into a closing V-I cadence and the variations can overlap each other.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on August 31, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 31, 2010, 08:45:43 AM
Guido - correct, of course. I like how no one spotted me saying the title of this piece in the middle of one of the clues  >:D >:D

Well played!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 31, 2010, 11:11:06 AM
Quote from: listener on August 31, 2010, 10:09:58 AM
476  Joseph JOACHIM  Variations on an original theme.  op. 10
- a neatly constructed piece in that the opening notes of the theme (re-do) can resolve into a closing V-I cadence and the variations can overlap each other.

Great, well done - as you say, a clever piece, and rather a beautiful one, too, I think, with a certain Brahmsian sheen to it. I wonder how well it is known by violists, in what is a relativley limited repertoire - it deserves playing, as a serious, thoughtful, beautiful and impressive piece of writing. One to partner a certain sonata, perhaps....  ;)

Want to give a clue on your one?  ;) I've done a little thinking about it - love how it telescopes the opening of Beethoven 5 like that! - but no success, really. Pretty sure it's not the obvious candidate, or I'd recognise it....I'd like to think!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 31, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Updating:

Old lists:
First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)
Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)
Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)
Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)

Set by Guido
55 - Faure - D minor Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
56 - Stravinsky - Four Russian Songs - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
57 - Barber - Canzonetta - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272911.html#msg272911)
58 - Moeran - Serenade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
59 - Medtner - Vocalise from Suite op 41 - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg272913.html#msg272913)
60 - Dutilleux - 3 Strophes - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299290.html#msg299290)
61 - Jacob - Elegy - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299293.html#msg299293)
62 - Imogen Holst - The Fall of the Leaf - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299294.html#msg299294)
63 - Dvorak - Waldesruhe - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299295.html#msg299295)
64 - Moeran - Prelude - revealed by Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299298.html#msg299298)
65 a and b - Feldman - Patterns in a Chromatic Field - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299300.html#msg299300)


Set by Luke
401 - Mendelssohn - Sonata op 6 - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
402 - Mendelssohn - Fantasia on the Last Rose of Summer - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273007.html#msg273007)
403 - Schoenberg - Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
404 - Tippet - Little Music - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
405 - Britten - Curlew River - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
406 - Britten - Spring Symphony - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273008.html#msg273008)
407 - Tippett - The Vision of St Augustine - (revealed by Luke) - this page is the vision itself, folks! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
408 - Stravinsky - Dumbarton Oaks - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
409 - Janacek - Cekam Te! - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
410 - Janacek - Souvenir - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273014.html#msg273014)
411 - Janacek - Violin Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
412 and 412a - Kurtag - Jatekok - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
413 - Sculthorpe - Kakadu - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273016.html#msg273016)
414 - Respighi - Pines of Rome - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
415 - Wall Street Rag - Joplin (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
416 - Medtner - Sonata Reminiscenza - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
417 - Tippett - Quartet no 3 - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273017.html#msg273017)
418 - Maxwell Davies - Five Little Piano Pieces - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
419 - Janacek - Moravian Folksongs (for piano) - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
420 - Puccini - Tango - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
421 - Janacek - 'Zdenka' Variations - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273019.html#msg273019)
422 - Tippett - Concerto for Orchestra - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
423 - Jellinek - Zwolftonwerk op 15 - Toccata Funebre - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273020.html#msg273020)
424 - Korngold - Violin Concerto - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
425 - Respighi - Roman Festivals - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg273021.html#msg273021)
426 - Dukas - Prelude Elegiaque (sur le nom de Haydn) - (revealed by Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
427 - Debussy - Homage a Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
428 - Ravel - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275656.html#msg275656)
429 - Hahn - Theme varie sur le nom de Haydn - revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
430 - D'Indy - Menuet sur le nom de Haydn - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275657.html#msg275657)
431 - Ravel - Berceuse sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
432 - Koechlin - Choral sur le nom de Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
433 - Schmidt - Homage sur le nom de Gabriel Faure - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg275658.html#msg275658)
434 - Langaard - Music of the Spheres - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279783.html#msg279783)
435 - Mussorgsky - The Marriage - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279846.html#msg279846)
436 - Horatio Parker- A Star Song - (Johan) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279848.html#msg279848)
437 - Stevenson - Preludette on the name George Gershwin - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
438 - Wild - Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
439 - Gershwin/Grainger - Love Walked In - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
440 - Gershwin/Finnissy - Boy Wanted - (revealed by Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279852.html#msg279852)
441 - Berg - Chamber Concerto - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280752.html#msg280752)
442 - Janacek - Riklada  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg280760.html#msg280760)
443 - Reger - Clarinet Quintet - (Mark)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
444 - von Reznicek - Violin Concerto - rappy (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281090.html#msg281090)
445 - Janacek - The Ballad of Blanik - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281093.html#msg281093)
446 - Webern - Piano Quintet - Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg281319.html#msg281319)
447 - Judith Weir - The art of touching the keyboard - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
448 - Panufnik - Pentasonata - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
449 - Tchaikovsky - Symphony no 2 - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
450 - Brahms - Rinaldo - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283555.html#msg283555)
451 - utility piece by 'G.W. Marks' = possibly the very young Brahms - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
452 - Dussek - Sonata in F sharp - Guido (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
453 - Suk - Scherzo Fantastique - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
454 - Farwell - Impressions of the Wa-Wan ceremony of the Omahas - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283557.html#msg283557)
455 - Stanford - The Blue Bird - revealed by Luke   (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
456 - Chausson - Concert for violin, piano, string quartet - Maciek -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg283560.html#msg283560)
457 - Schoenberg - Wind Quintet - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
458 - Schoenberg - Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
459 - Schoenberg - 5 Orchestral Pieces op 16 - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
460 - Schoenberg - Die Jakobsleiter - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284656.html#msg284656)
461 - Schoenberg - Piano Concerto - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
462 - Schoenberg - piece for piano duet - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
463 - Schoenberg - String Trio - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
464 - Schoenberg - Accompaniment to a Film Scene - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284658.html#msg284658)
465 - Schubert - B flat sonata - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
466 - Schoenberg - Chamber Symhpony no 1 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
467 - Schoenberg - Folksong setting - revealed by Luke  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg284659.html#msg284659)
468 - Loeffler - La mort de Tintagiles - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg285146.html#msg285146)
469 was one I made a mistake with - here it is. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg357505.html#msg357505) Thought it was a Humperdinck insert into Parsifal, but turns out it's just Wagner. I also have another 469 in my files, but I can't find where I posted it - in any case, it is Ferneyhough, Mnemosyne, for bass flute plus 8 taped siblings.
470 - Rimsky Korsakov - Russian Easter Festival Overture - Sforzando (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426152.html#msg426152)
471 - C Barlow - Çogluotobüsisletmesi - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426164.html#msg426164)
472 - W Zimmermann - Wüstenwanderung - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg426164.html#msg426164)
screw-up! no 473
474 - Rachmaninov - ? - Karl (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
475 - Elgar - Sospiri - (listener) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
476 - Joachim - Variations on an Original Theme - (listener) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
477 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
478 - Couperin - L'apotheose de Lully - (listener) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427152.html#msg427152)
479 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427153.html#msg427153)
480 - Sviridov - Vremya Vpered - (Drasko) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg429971.html#msg429971)
481 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg433480.html#msg433480)
482 - Coltrane - My Favorite Things Improv - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg433480.html#msg433480)


Set by Maciek
93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)
104 - Szymanowski - Myths (Dryads and Pan) - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298914.html#msg298914)
105 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301020.html#msg301020)
106 - Bacewicz - PIano Sonata no 2 - (Taxes) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301021.html#msg301021)
107 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301165.html#msg301165)
108 - Bacewicz - Music for String, Trumpets and Percussion - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301168.html#msg301168)
109 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301169.html#msg301169)
110 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301170.html#msg301170)
111 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301174.html#msg301174)
112 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305631.html#msg305631)
113 - Szymanowski - Quartet no 2 - (Taxes) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305632.html#msg305632)
114 - Bacewicz - String Quartet no 7 - (Taxes)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305633.html#msg305633)
115 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305634.html#msg305634)
116 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305637.html#msg305637)
117 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305638.html#msg305638)
118 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305640.html#msg305640)
119 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306307.html#msg306307)
120 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306310.html#msg306310)

Set by Karl
2 - Albeniz - Asturias - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298927.html#msg298927)
3 - Bartok - Allegro Barbaro - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298929.html#msg298929)
4 - Prokofiev - Toccata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298930.html#msg298930)
5 - Rachmaninov - Isle of the Dead - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298939.html#msg298939)
6 - Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298940.html#msg298940)
7 - Sibelius - Valse Triste - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298944.html#msg298944)
8 - Chopin - Prelude (A minor) - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
9 - Mahler - Ruckert Lieder - (Cato) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298976.html#msg298976)
10 - Palestrina - Sicut cervus - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
11 - Tchaikovsky - Serenade for Strings - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298979.html#msg298979)
12 - Beethoven - Eroica - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
13 - Holst - The Planets - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299004.html#msg299004)
14 - Shostakovich - Symphony no 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
15 - Wagner - Parsifal Prelude - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299005.html#msg299005)
16 - Bartok - Quartet no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
17 - Sibelius - Symphony no 4 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
18 - Shostakovich - Quartet no 7 - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299053.html#msg299053)
19 - Satie - Embyrons Dessechees - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
20 - Brahms - Horn Trio - (Mark) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg299054.html#msg299054)
21 - Andriessen - Symphony for Open Strings - (Maciek)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)
22 - Debussy - Rondes de Printemps - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432296.html#msg432296)
23 - Honegger - 5th Symphony 'Di Tre Re' - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432297.html#msg432297)
24 - Dvorak - New World Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432297.html#msg432297)
25 - Shostakovich - 14th Symphony - (Ring of Fire) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432298.html#msg432298)
26 - Stravinsky - Histoire du Soldat - (Sforzando)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432298.html#msg432298)
27 - Monteverdi - Madrigal from book 7 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)
28 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)
29 - Berlioz - Te Deum - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432301.html#msg432301)
30 - Nielsen - 3rd Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432301.html#msg432301)
31 - Berg - Violin Concerto - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432303.html#msg432303)
32 - Prokofiev - Piano Concerto 5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432303.html#msg432303)
33 - Walton - Facade - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)
34 - Shchedrin - Album for the Young - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432306.html#msg432306)
35 - Roussel - 3rd Symphony - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432307.html#msg432307)
36 - Prokofiev - Le pas d'acier - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432307.html#msg432307)
37 - Schoenberg - Gurrelieder - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432308.html#msg432308)
38 - Boulez - Pli Selon Pli - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432308.html#msg432308)
39 - Bartok - Dance Suite - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)
40 - Wuorinen - 3rd Piano Concerto - (Maciek) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432310.html#msg432310)
41 - Sibelius - 2nd Symphony - (Sforzando)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432311.html#msg432311)
42 - Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432311.html#msg432311)
43 - Piston - Clarinet Concerto (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432312.html#msg432312)
44 - Schoenberg - Herzgewachse - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432312.html#msg432312)
45 - Schedrin - The Sharp Keys and The Flat Keys - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)
46 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)
47 - Hindemith - Concert Music op 50 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432315.html#msg432315)
48 - Copland - Piano Variations - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432315.html#msg432315)
49 -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)
50 - Stravinsky- Requiem Canticles - (Sforzando) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)


Set by Taxes
1 - Faure - Cello Sonata 1 - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
2 - Alkan - Concerto for solo piano - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
3 - Haydn - Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
4 - Liszt - Sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)
5 - Beethoven - Emperor Concerto - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg331966.html#msg331966)

Set by Sforzando
77 - Vorisek - Symphony in D - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354511.html#msg354511)
78 - Dittersdorf - Quartet in G - (Rappy)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354511.html#msg354511)
79 - D'Indy - Istar - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354512.html#msg354512)
80 - Elgar - In the South - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg354512.html#msg354512)
81 - Raff - Symphony no 5 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg425301.html#msg425301)


Set  by Rappy
1 - Schubert - G major Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
2 - Brahms - Hungarian Dance 1 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
3 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
4 - Strauss - Tod und Verklarung - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561)
5 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561)
6 - Beethoven - E minor Quartet - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
7 - Mahler - 9th symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
8 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
9 - Brahms - Piano Concerto no 2 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)
Link to rappy's own online score-identification game (http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/index.php)

Set by James
1 - Zappa - The Black Page - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg373162.html#msg373162)

Set by listener
1 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg436737.html#msg436737)

Set by Brian
1 - Corigliano - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg438921.html#msg438921)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on August 31, 2010, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 31, 2010, 11:11:06 AM

Want to give a clue on your one?  ;) I've done a little thinking about it - love how it telescopes the opening of Beethoven 5 like that! - but no success, really. Pretty sure it's not the obvious candidate, or I'd recognise it....I'd like to think!
The usual description of the "meaning" of the quote is exactly what is happening here.  It is a quote (not quite exact) of bars 478-85 or thereabouts, my penciled note is quite faint.   The preceding bars were in 3/4, and changes to 6/8=3/4 stringendo at the next entry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on August 31, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
What's this?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 01, 2010, 12:40:37 AM
Not sure, Rappy, but this one of your old ones - http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560 - number 4, I mean (I'm beingt specific becasue the numbering got a bit confused when you gave clues once, IIRC) is Strauss, Tod und Verklarung, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 01, 2010, 01:49:04 AM
Excellent, Luke!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 01, 2010, 12:11:19 PM
re: Luke 475
probably not Mozart, Dussek, or Piston or Vaughan Williams, wrong key I think for Saint-Saëns S3, might be the Bruch 2-piano concerto?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 01, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
No pianos in that one.... but fairly idiomatic writing for the two (different) instruments on those two pairs of staves you are looking at...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 01, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 01, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
No pianos in that one.... but fairly idiomatic writing for the two (different) instruments on those two pairs of staves you are looking at...

Looks to me like a string orchestra with divided 2nds, vlas, vlcs, and a harp and organ.

With 481, I think I'm looking at a clarinet because of the transposition, violin, cello, and a percussion instrument like a tambourine.

No idea on anything else.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 01, 2010, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: rappy on August 31, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
What's this?

Mid or late German (or German-influenced) Romantic, not chromatic enough for Strauss, looks like the ending of a Eb major second subject in a sonata-form exposition, which could mean C minor as the tonic. But not Bruckner or Dvorak.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 01, 2010, 04:25:53 PM
Quote from: rappy on August 30, 2010, 02:32:46 AM
Sorry Luke, I'm sure I've never heard any of the pieces, so the clues can be totally obvious and still don't help me.

Have you recognized #38 of my quiz yet?

38? I topped out at 20. I kind of wish it were possible to go through the whole set, because if you don't recognize one in order you're basically dead.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 01, 2010, 09:32:44 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 01, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
Looks to me like a string orchestra with divided 2nds, vlas, vlcs, and a harp and organ.

Spot on! It's an English piece this, by one of the most high profile English composers. I know, Sfz, I'm sorry....

Quote from: Sforzando on September 01, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
With 481, I think I'm looking at a clarinet because of the transposition, violin, cello, and a percussion instrument like a tambourine.

Very close - sorry, my latest clue may have suggested that the layout implies only one possible instrumentation whereas in fact there are a few. Yours is close - clarinet, yes, cello, yes, a percussion instrument, yes (but not a tambourine - think more along the lines of Haas's 2nd string quartet). The other one isn't the violin, but it is another transposing instrument, though still without key signature, as you see - that ought to tell you what it is! Once you have the four instruments, identifying the piece won't take long.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 01, 2010, 09:34:11 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on September 01, 2010, 04:25:53 PM
38? I topped out at 20. I kind of wish it were possible to go through the whole set, because if you don't recognize one in order you're basically dead.

It's a real killer, isn't it! I haven't tried hard on 38 yet, Rappy, because I've been busy, and I know that if I start thinking about it I'll waste hours I don't have!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 02, 2010, 12:00:19 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 01, 2010, 09:32:44 PM
Spot on! It's an English piece this, by one of the most high profile English composers. I know, Sfz, I'm sorry....

/quote]

Elgar: Sospiri, op. 70?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 02, 2010, 12:09:14 AM
I'm going to implement function that you can skip a certain amount of levels, but this will take some time.
Meanwhile, let me give a hint for #20: It looks mad - that might be because the topic of the piece ask for mad music and the composer was mad.

#38 - I'm sure you know the piece very well Luke, it shouldn't take too much time. It's not too famous at the larger audience, but a much more important and central work than the one before.

QuoteMid or late German (or German-influenced) Romantic, not chromatic enough for Strauss, looks like the ending of a Eb major second subject in a sonata-form exposition, which could mean C minor as the tonic. But not Bruckner or Dvorak.

Excellent. I think it looks a bit like the young Strauss, but it isn't. It's not German at all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 02, 2010, 01:00:47 AM
Quote from: rappy on September 02, 2010, 12:09:14 AM
I'm going to implement function that you can skip a certain amount of levels, but this will take some time.

You mean I went through all that for nothing?  ;D ;)

Quote from: rappy on September 02, 2010, 12:09:14 AM
Excellent. I think it looks a bit like the young Strauss, but it isn't. It's not German at all.

Yes, it does look like young Strauss, I agree - it reminded me of the look of the score of the first movement of Aus Italien, though I knew it wasn't that one (it's rather beautiful, that movement, isn't it?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 02, 2010, 01:07:42 AM
Quote from: listener on September 02, 2010, 12:00:19 AM
Elgar: Sospiri, op. 70?

Yes, that's the one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 02, 2010, 01:19:00 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 02, 2010, 01:00:47 AM
You mean I went through all that for nothing?  ;D ;)

I will of course restrict the possibility up to max. 2 levels. And that will be notated in another column of the highscores-list, I think.
You must have no fear.  ;D

Quote
Yes, it does look like young Strauss, I agree - it reminded me of the look of the score of the first movement of Aus Italien, though I knew it wasn't that one (it's rather beautiful, that movement, isn't it?)

Yeah, it is! :)

Here's another page of the piece above.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 02, 2010, 03:12:19 AM
Quote from: rappy on September 02, 2010, 12:09:14 AM
I'm going to implement function that you can skip a certain amount of levels, but this will take some time.
Meanwhile, let me give a hint for #20: It looks mad - that might be because the topic of the piece ask for mad music and the composer was mad.

I got 20, with an opus # of 9! I'm stuck on 21.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 02, 2010, 04:05:31 AM
Ooops, I'm sorry.. of course! Well, on 21 you do not need any opus number, just the composer. Who could have written such a bouncy theme?

By the way, if you enter the highscores again and type in "Sforzando", it will replace your old entry now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 02, 2010, 04:07:59 AM
Quote from: rappy on September 02, 2010, 04:05:31 AM
Ooops, I'm sorry.. of course! Well, on 21 you do not need any opus number, just the composer. Who could have written such a bouncy theme?

A lot of people!!!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 02, 2010, 04:15:37 AM
Don't you think it has an Italian grace?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 02, 2010, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: rappy on September 02, 2010, 04:15:37 AM
Don't you think it has an Italian grace?

If you wish. Got that one and two more with no problem (other than figuring out which Wikipedia.de version of each Russian name to use). Totally stumped on 24. It could be something I know well, but without context, tempo marking, etc., it gets tougher.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 03, 2010, 06:01:47 AM
Well, that piece is again a little bit "mad".

Sforzando, don't you want to create another game like you did once: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg210918.html#msg210918

?

That was great fun.  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 14, 2010, 12:19:17 PM
a few more, and an update to my first one (not quite, "few, that is eight" according to the Bible, I'm just giving six, and the sixth is the extended re-post (not riposte, that's something else).  hint: there should eventually be twenty-six in this series.
Listener 1 has two consecutive pages:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 14, 2010, 12:24:17 PM
Listener 2
French is the original language.   This may be obscure, but I do have a recording.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 14, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
Listener 3
This is not what you normally associate with its composer.   These are the final bars, sorry to have cut the last bar line off
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 14, 2010, 12:29:22 PM
Listener 4
Lovely tune...should seem familiar.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 14, 2010, 12:33:00 PM
Listener 5   The orchestra stays piano and strings.    Might be obscure, but if you've got a couple of these you could see a pattern that's a  clue
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 14, 2010, 12:38:24 PM
Listener 6 (former no.1)
There is a very famous quotation at the start, which is usually described as meaning something that actually happens at the next entry.  I've extended it to the next system.   
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 16, 2010, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 31, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Set by Maciek
93 - ten Holt - Canto Ostinato - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg240836.html#msg240836)
94 - Tchaikovsky - Un poco de Chopin - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
95 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279051.html#msg279051)
96 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
98 - Stojowski - Cello sonata - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
100 - Chopin - Sonata no 3 - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
101 - Szymanowski - Violin Sonata arr cello - (Guido) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg282898.html#msg282898)
102 - Szymanowski - Prelude and Fugue - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291524.html#msg291524)
103 - Paderewski - Symphony - (Luke) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg291977.html#msg291977)
104 - Szymanowski - Myths (Dryads and Pan) - (Dax) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg298914.html#msg298914)
105 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301020.html#msg301020)
106 - Bacewicz - PIano Sonata no 2 - (Taxes) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301021.html#msg301021)
107 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301165.html#msg301165)
108 - Bacewicz - Music for String, Trumpets and Percussion - (Luke)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301168.html#msg301168)
109 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301169.html#msg301169)
110 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301170.html#msg301170)
111 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301174.html#msg301174)
112 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305631.html#msg305631)
113 - Szymanowski - Quartet no 2 - (Taxes) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305632.html#msg305632)
114 - Bacewicz - String Quartet no 7 - (Taxes)  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305633.html#msg305633)
115 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305634.html#msg305634)
116 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305637.html#msg305637)
117 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305638.html#msg305638)
118 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305640.html#msg305640)
119 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306307.html#msg306307)
120 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306310.html#msg306310)

Guess this is long overdue, but some of these are just so mainstream... What is wrong with you people?

Seriously, though, I was expecting some sort of reaction to 96, 97, 105. 112 maybe? 110, 111? No? No one? >:D

118 had experienced a short revival recently, or so I imagined...

96 - Friedman Minuet from Mahler's 3rd
97 - Wieniawski Faust Fantasie

99 - Różycki Cello Sonata

105 - Bacewicz Sonat for violin solo no. 2

107 - Bacewicz Contradizione for chamber orchestra

109 - Bacewicz Symphony no. 3
110 - Bacewicz Oberek no. 1 vn pfte
111 - Bacewicz Divertimento strings
112 - Szymanowski SQ1

115 - Bacewicz SQ6
116 - Bacewicz SQ5
117 - Bacewicz SQ3
118 - Bacewicz Pno quint no. 2

Actually, according to my notes, 116 has already been guessed? Admittedly, though, the notes are rather vague and more than a bit obscure, so I might be misreading what I meant...? At least please don't go ploughing through all those pages on my account, because the search will very likely turn out nothing.

I'm leaving 119 and 120 unrevealed, as they were supposed to lead on to a few more scans, which I'm sure I will discover eventually (they must be somewhere on the computer).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 23, 2010, 02:31:43 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 01, 2010, 09:34:11 PM
It's a real killer, isn't it! I haven't tried hard on 38 yet, Rappy, because I've been busy, and I know that if I start thinking about it I'll waste hours I don't have!

Any progress yet? Hint: the piece is in E.
Hint for Sforzando: The composer wants the interpret to play it on the G string.

P.S.: If you'd enter into the highscore, we could have some opposition to the German clavio.de-players.  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 23, 2010, 05:05:22 AM
Quote from: Guido

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 23, 2010, 06:03:00 AM
But this is just the first system, of course; you're right, Maciek, it's the Symphonie voor losse snaren.  What seemed to be amiss in the description?

What do we think of this work? I thought it rather arid and dull - a shame because its such a wonderful idea.

Say! Look what I found:

http://www.youtube.com/v/r4OkBR3aZFc
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on September 23, 2010, 05:09:35 AM
(Seems to be the third of three youtube clips.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: glindhot on September 25, 2010, 06:00:48 AM
Quote from: rappy on August 31, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
What's this?

First time looking at this great board and I can't resist havin' a guess, so here 'tis:
Myaskovsky: Symphony No 21
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on September 25, 2010, 10:16:07 AM
Nope. But not far away.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on October 10, 2010, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: rappy on September 23, 2010, 02:31:43 AM
P.S.: If you'd enter into the highscore, we could have some opposition to the German clavio.de-players.  :)

There is a thread on clavio.de which contains some clues, e.g. concerning #38 (Luke!):

http://www.clavio.de/forum/sonstiges/11142-musikquiz-12.html
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:47:18 PM
I had these ready today morning, but the site was gone. A sad coincidence. Actually, wanted to post some others as well, but won't for the time being. I'm sure you'll understand why.

MM121 (this is the one directly linked to MM119; as is MM120)

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM121.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM121.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:48:13 PM
MM122

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM122.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM122.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:48:52 PM
MM123

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM123.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM123.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:49:28 PM
MM124

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM124.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM124.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:49:58 PM
MM125

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM125.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM125.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:50:29 PM
MM126

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM126.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM126.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:51:01 PM
MM127

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM127.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM127.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:51:29 PM
MM128

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM128.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM128.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:51:58 PM
MM129

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM129.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM129.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:52:35 PM
MM130

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM130.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM130.gif)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 12, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Maciek on November 12, 2010, 03:48:52 PM
MM123

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM123.gif) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/GMG%20mystery%20scores/MM123.gif)
Obviously the first movement of Gorecki's 3rd.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 13, 2010, 01:56:31 AM
Greg, you are of course correct. 8)

And may I add that, while you're at it, you might want to take a closer look at 126... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 13, 2010, 04:51:07 AM
Well, clearly all Polish, or that would be my guess. And I was going to say that 126 looked like early Gorecki in any case (based on the similarity to an early Gorecki score I posted on this thread myself, a long time back). Is that it? Need to listen through to some early HG orchestral stuff, I guess...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 13, 2010, 04:54:36 AM
It is Gorecki - and rather early, of course. A piece I've never heard, but I think I remember Greg mentioning that he loved it. (Or else I'm confusing people, or pieces, or both... :-[)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2010, 11:49:08 AM
126 looked familiar for some reason, even though I checked and don't have the score, whatever it is.
Which piece is it? The first symphony?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 13, 2010, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Greg on November 13, 2010, 11:49:08 AM
The first symphony?

Spot-on. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: greg on November 13, 2010, 12:02:52 PM
Quote from: Maciek on November 13, 2010, 11:59:21 AM
Spot-on. ;D
Cool! I just turned it on after I posted that... both to see where the section might have been and in remembrance.  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 13, 2010, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: Greg on November 13, 2010, 12:02:52 PM
Cool! I just turned it on after I posted that... both to see where the section might have been and in remembrance.  8)

I hope I won't spoil the fun if I tell you it's from the 2nd movement?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 13, 2010, 12:28:47 PM
James - Stockhausen, yes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 13, 2010, 12:29:11 PM
Easy, Klang 17th hour – Nebadon

Yes?

??? ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on November 13, 2010, 12:48:28 PM
MM 128
Messiaen    Le merle noir  ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 13, 2010, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: listener on November 13, 2010, 12:48:28 PM
MM 128
Messiaen    Le merle noir  ?

Nope. That's actually a clarinet part.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: karlhenning on November 13, 2010, 07:15:04 PM
(* pricks up left ear *)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:08:02 AM
MM131

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM131.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM131.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:08:25 AM
MM132

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM132.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM132.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:08:52 AM
MM133

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM133.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM133.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
MM134

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM134.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM134.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:09:45 AM
MM135

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM135.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM135.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:10:08 AM
MM136

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM136.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM136.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:10:32 AM
MM137

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM137.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM137.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:10:56 AM
MM138

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM138.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM138.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:11:19 AM
MM139

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM139.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM139.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:11:39 AM
MM140

(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM140.jpg) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/25/1381505/MM140.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:13:13 AM
Well, I hope these are all sufficiently jolly. :D

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on December 31, 2010, 10:16:03 AM
Quote from: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:13:13 AM
Well, I hope these are all sufficiently jolly. :D

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 8)

The same to you! And yes, they're extremely 'jolly', ho ho ho...  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on December 31, 2010, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: Maciek on December 31, 2010, 10:13:13 AM
Well, I hope these are all sufficiently jolly. :D

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 8)

Some of these are actually quite easy. What's wrong with you guys - run out of the hard stuff?

133 - SS Carnaval of the Animals
134 - Bach Double
139 - LvB Polonaise
140 - Looks like a Chopin polonaise, one of the early ones with opus.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 01, 2011, 12:30:44 AM
Happy New Year, everyone! I'd have got a couple of those....

meanwhile, 136 is the Ravel Concerto in G, and 138 is his Violin Sonata  (the second, late one); they bracket a snippet from the Debussy Cello Sonata, no 137.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 18, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
Larry and Luke are both correct, of course (well, at least in the part where Larry was answering the quiz ;D).

I'm surprised 131 and 132 are still unguessed. Both pieces are pretty famous, I would think. 132 probably more popular in Kempff's piano transcription than in its original form.

How 'bout 122, 127, 130? I'd think anyone who has ever heard any of these pieces would have no trouble recognizing them - these snippets are really quite easy. So I assume nobody knows 122 or 127. But I know for sure that at least a couple of the Mystery score denizens know 130 (how could they not). $:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 18, 2011, 03:10:10 PM
oh, is 131 the Shostakovich 15th Quartet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on January 18, 2011, 03:16:17 PM
Yes, it is! 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 18, 2011, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: Maciek on January 18, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
Larry and Luke are both correct, of course (well, at least in the part where Larry was answering the quiz ;D).

What's that supposed to mean?

132 is the siciliano from the Bach flute sonata in Eb, 1031.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on January 19, 2011, 12:40:36 AM
These are two pieces which seem to cause problems in my score-identifying game (http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/).

(http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/1.png)

(http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/2.png)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on January 23, 2011, 02:31:04 PM
Do you need hints?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 23, 2011, 03:53:45 PM
Quote from: rappy on January 23, 2011, 02:31:04 PM
Do you need hints?

Please. The first looks like Schumann or Mendelssohn, but otherwise I can't track it yet. And I think I've seen the second - but where? A key signature would help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on January 24, 2011, 05:16:21 AM
I wrote: "These are two pieces which seem to cause problems in my score-identifying game."

Here are the motifs of my game which are from the pieces above:

(http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/jnm.png)

(http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/lvl2/opr.png)

The latter one contains some wrong notes / articulation / whatever to make it more difficult.  ;D

Schumann or Mendelssohn is a very good guess. And I'm sure you've seen the second, it's a famous piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 06, 2011, 04:50:20 AM
Okay, here's another hint:

opus of (1) - opus of (2) = opus of a) maybe the most popular string quartet and b) the last violin sonata of a famous composer

Then, opus of (1) + opus of (2) = opus of trio with one wind instrument.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 06, 2011, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: rappy on February 06, 2011, 04:50:20 AM
Okay, here's another hint:

opus of (1) - opus of (2) = opus of a) maybe the most popular string quartet and b) the last violin sonata of a famous composer

Then, opus of (1) + opus of (2) = opus of trio with one wind instrument.

So we get the answer by addition and subtraction of opus numbers? Let me work on this!

Yes or no: Is "opus of trio with one wind instrument" 40 or 114 (for Brahms)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 06, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
Well, the first one looks very Schumannesque, as Sfz said immediately - but your answer made it sound as if he wasn't quite right. It did to me, anyway - it meant I didn't check out my Schumann violin sonatas. But he was right in the first place, and so was I - it's the Schumann Violin Sonata no 1, op 105, isn't it?

The other is from Schoenberg's 1st Chamber Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 06, 2011, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: Luke on February 06, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
Well, the first one looks very Schumannesque, as Sfz said immediately - but your answer made it sound as if he wasn't quite right.

Agreed! unfair!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 07, 2011, 01:14:16 AM
Quote from: Luke on February 06, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
Well, the first one looks very Schumannesque, as Sfz said immediately - but your answer made it sound as if he wasn't quite right.

Oh, I'm sorry! But if you remember, Luke, you'd already got that one right in my score-identifying game. It's the one Sforzando was stuck at. And the Schönberg is the one you had problems with so far.

So you're right, Sfz, 105+9 = 114 = Brahms! :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 07, 2011, 04:00:38 AM
Quote from: rappy on February 07, 2011, 01:14:16 AM
Oh, I'm sorry! But if you remember, Luke, you'd already got that one right in my score-identifying game. It's the one Sforzando was stuck at. And the Schönberg is the one you had problems with so far.

So you're right, Sfz, 105+9 = 114 = Brahms! :)

Then maybe I'll go back to your game and try again! another problem I have with it are the Russian transliterations. I'm used to the Anglo-American versions, and sometimes there are several German ones. I have to do a bit of trial-and-error there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 07, 2011, 05:41:02 AM
You need to use the main transliteration used on Wiki.de as far as I remember. Rappy can confirm or deny this!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 07, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
Confirmed!

And if you don't fear the German language, here are some hints: http://www.clavio.de/forum/sonstiges/11142-musikquiz.html (summary: http://www.clavio.de/forum/184883-post210.html )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 20, 2011, 12:16:32 PM
If one finishes my game, he can create his own quiz.

Dimo from clavio.de is the first one! You can find the link to his quiz on the highscores-page: http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/highscore.php

It begins pretty easy, but I am already stuck at #20.  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 20, 2011, 12:47:37 PM
Hey, why isn't my name on your high scores list?  ;D thought I was the first one to complete it in its first incarnation, though granted I haven't had a go recently...

I'm on no 39, so I ought to be 4th, which isn't too bad considering...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 20, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
Quickly got to number 11 on the other one, and that one is very clear, but he has the identification number wrong, surely
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 20, 2011, 01:02:39 PM
Got it. It was that dratted German spelling rule....  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 20, 2011, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: sul G (again) on February 20, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
Quickly got to number 11 on the other one, and that one is very clear, but he has the identification number wrong, surely

I got to 8 on Dimo's quiz. AT FIRST I THOUGHT the composer of 9 is unmistakable, but I can't recall the work (unless I page through 6 volumes of piano music).  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 20, 2011, 02:18:32 PM
No 16 took a little work, just because....well, you'll see, but you will get it, I know, based on one or two of your scores on this thread. I stopped at 19, which is quite tricky and as far as Rappy and anyone else has got. On Rappy's, I've got to 39 (i.e. done 38), but I haven't looked at it for a while, so maybe I will have a go soon. The problem is, when you stop, you are given a link so that you don't have to go right back to the beginning again, but you still have to go through a few, which is a bit annoying. I ought to write down the answers (and the transliterations!) somewhere so I can go through the process more quickly next time.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 20, 2011, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: sul G (again) on February 20, 2011, 12:47:37 PM
Hey, why isn't my name on your high scores list?  ;D thought I was the first one to complete it in its first incarnation, though granted I haven't had a go recently...

There was a highscore reset when I finished the quiz, and then you didn't enter your name again! :)
You'll get a new link with passing #40 - which should be easy for you, because one of the following you will surely know if you passed until #19 in Dimos quiz. And the other one I'm also sure you'll recognize - it's very up to date at GMG! :)

I had problems with #9 of Dimos quiz too. The composer wasn't too obvious for me. 19 is really tricky, I have no clue yet!

Sorry for the odd spelling rules. In my version, you can use a or ae for ä, in Dimos not yet... so ä=ae, ö=oe, ü=ue.

Nice to see you in the highscore again, Luke!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 20, 2011, 02:46:39 PM
Quote from: rappy on February 20, 2011, 02:29:12 PM
I had problems with #9 of Dimos quiz too. The composer wasn't too obvious for me. 19 is really tricky, I have no clue yet!

I must have been wrong. I thought Dimo 9 was a composer who had been used twice already. But maybe not. So much for my claiming he was unmistakable!  >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 20, 2011, 02:57:47 PM
I thought of that one first, too, Sfz. But when I found out that it isn't one of the ones you think of first when you see such a score, there weren't too many possibilities left - for Romantic piano music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 20, 2011, 03:09:18 PM
Oh, I know which one you mean now!

As for you, young Mr Rappy. I got your 39   >:(  >:( that's some intense rhythmic dislocation you were doing there! I call foul! Interesting that it's the same as...no, I won't give the game away.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 20, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
And after that, 40, 41 and 42 were easy! (lucky I know 41 well, as it's quite obscure). And now I know your rhythmic tricks, 42 was simple!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 20, 2011, 03:21:00 PM
Quote from: sul G (again) on February 20, 2011, 03:09:18 PM
As for you, young Mr Rappy. I got your 39   >:(  >:( that's some intense rhythmic dislocation you were doing there! I call foul!

8) 8)

#41 is a beautiful piece, isn't it?

On #43, the mistakes are not so much rhythmical or wrong note spelling...

You'll recognize #45 within half a second!  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 20, 2011, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: rappy on February 20, 2011, 03:21:00 PM

#41 is a beautiful piece, isn't it?
Yes, a lovely one

Quote from: rappy on February 20, 2011, 03:21:00 PM
On #43, the mistakes are not so much rhythmical or wrong note spelling...

You'll recognize #45 within half a second!  8)

Well, I'm going to have to go now, unfortunately, I have work to do for tomorrow and it's not even tomorrow now, it's today! this and other things have been distracting me this evening! So I won't get another shot at your quiz, or the other one, for a couple of nights
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on February 20, 2011, 03:39:02 PM
Oh, I'm sorry Luke, that wasn't my purpose!

It's today, yeah - time to sleep. Good night then (hope you at least got time for sleeping)!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 20, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: rappy on February 20, 2011, 02:57:47 PM
I thought of that one first, too, Sfz. But when I found out that it isn't one of the ones you think of first when you see such a score, there weren't too many possibilities left - for Romantic piano music.

Ah. Well, at least great minds think alike!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on October 05, 2011, 01:06:28 AM
Finally finished: http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/highscore2.php 8)

Hint: #20 is a female composer and it's a toccata. #9 is from a composer who must have been cold quite often.

Hints for mine (remember, if you finish it, you can create your own  ;) ): http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/

#43: The key signature is correct. A dark and loud opening, while the end is even louder, with piccolo bursting your ears.

#25: A lovely piece, but the composer didn't regard it highly. Chamber music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on December 28, 2011, 12:36:29 PM
Gaston finished my quiz, so here's his new one:

http://www.dgsp-rheinland-pfalz.de/musikspiel/index3.php
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: PaulSC on December 28, 2011, 01:17:56 PM
The only challenge so far is how to enter a Hoboken number in a format the ***%$$!! quiz will recognize! >:(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: rappy on December 29, 2011, 01:37:00 AM
True,

you have to enter "0" for composers with no catalog. Unfortunately, Gaston counts Haydn among them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: dyn on September 13, 2013, 08:11:06 PM
neat idea! unfortunately lots of the links are dead now :/ but i can identify #46 here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314) as shostakovich's 2nd piano sonata, the first one of these (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138) as a rachmaninoff piece for piano 6 hands (no clue on #477). i won't essay a guess as to the composer of #481 but the instrumentation seems to be... clarinet, trumpet, trombone and snare drum?* and the typesetting suggests Universal Edition although that's no guarantee of anything. this is (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449349.html#msg449349) (i think) Elliott Carter's first symphony; this (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449350.html#msg449350) is from Dohnanyi's Variations on a Nursery Tune, and i think this (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449351.html#msg449351) is a Bloch concerto grosso.

most of the people who were involved in this thread seem to now be relatively inactive! still, i can put up some mystery scores if anyone might be interested

* actually a chance encounter revealed it to be from Martinu's Quartet for clarinet, horn, violoncello and snare drum, H. 139, which has to be one of the most obscure pieces i have ever encountered >.>
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on December 28, 2013, 04:09:34 PM
Yes! I really want to play this game! I was so disappointed when, after looking through pages of scores here, the forum topic seems to have died out in 2011 or so. I will say that I was quite intimidated after seeing some forum members breeze through some relatively obscure scores as if they were the Brandenburg Concertos.

If anyone is ever interested in this, I'll go ahead and re-start with this one. The composer might not be so challenging, but it is one of his lesser known pieces (which is a shame, I think).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on December 28, 2013, 05:00:44 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on December 28, 2013, 04:09:34 PM
Yes! I really want to play this game! I was so disappointed when, after looking through pages of scores here, the forum topic seems to have died out in 2011 or so. I will say that I was quite intimidated after seeing some forum members breeze through some relatively obscure scores as if they were the Brandenburg Concertos.

If anyone is ever interested in this, I'll go ahead and re-start with this one. The composer might not be so challenging, but it is one of his lesser known pieces (which is a shame, I think).


Might be better off starting a new thread—this one seems derelict. I'll start out with a couple, and see if it sinks or floats.
Title: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on December 28, 2013, 05:14:30 PM
Testing....

#1
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-1.png)

#2
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-2.png)

#3
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-3.png)

I imagine the bottom one will be the easiest.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on December 29, 2013, 03:06:35 AM
Oh boy, I had a feeling that I was going to dig myself into a hole too deep to get out of. I know none of them off of the top of my head, but I found the first piece with the help of Google (i.e. I cheated). I'm almost positive that the second one is published by Schott, but I don't know the work. The third one seems to have an interesting key signature and it looks like it must be for a stringed instrument.

I'll re-post mine here. The composer should be easy (I think), but this is not one of his well-known works, at least compared to his other stuff. It's a shame, because it beautifully combines two of his compositional philosophies at the time he wrote it.

Hmmm... I'm not getting the option to attach a file as I did before. I'm new here -- does anyone know why this is?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on December 29, 2013, 02:21:29 PM
I think attachments are only available to subscribers. Best way is probably to upload it to Dropbox, Photobucket or some other free image hosting service, then embed in your post with the [img ] [/ img] tags.

The second piece is fairly well known to contemporary music nuts, especially in the UK, with the excerpt being its most famous (infamous?) bit. The third one... yep, you got both of those right at least :P
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: lescamil on December 29, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Number 1 is Ned Rorem's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand, I think the first movement.

Number 2 is Thomas Adès's Asyla, the third movement.

Can't quite place my finger on the third, even though I know I've seen it.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on December 29, 2013, 06:50:27 PM
Thanks for the help with the images! Here are some scores.

1. Probably the hardest one.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/yis5vmls2omtzlc/Nathan1-2.jpg)

2. One of my favorite passages from this piece.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/4dlzfsb8eza241a/Nathan2.jpg)

3. Should be pretty easy.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/asglaprnrz1umr0/Nathan3.jpg)

4. Very different from the others, for one particular reason. Not necessarily difficult, though.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/518n24kei0ft8gy/Nathan4.jpg)

Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on December 29, 2013, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: lescamil on December 29, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Number 1 is Ned Rorem's Piano Concerto for the Left Hand, I think the first movement.

Number 2 is Thomas Adès's Asyla, the third movement.
Indeed. #3 remains open for anyone who might recognise it.

No idea whether these will be easier or harder:

#4
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-4.png)

#5
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-5.png)

Quote from: EigenUser on December 29, 2013, 06:50:27 PM
Thanks for the help with the images! Here are some scores.

1. Probably the hardest one.


2. One of my favorite passages from this piece.


3. Should be pretty easy.


4. Very different from the others, for one particular reason. Not necessarily difficult, though.
I think #1 is Atmosphères, and #2 is definitely Bartók 1, from the end of the... 1st movement I believe. I'm not very good at this either.

No clue on #3 or 4. 3 looks like an English or early American composer, I'm guessing from 1920-40 ish; something of the style reminds me of Havergal Brian, though I know it's not him because his scores are typeset differently (or published as facsimiles). I don't know his music well at all so I have no idea why he came to mind as a point of comparison. Due to 4's anonymous typesetting in what looks like a really old shitty version of Finale I'm totally stumped on that one. I suspect it's the most recent of your examples though.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on December 30, 2013, 08:59:29 AM
I thought that amw#5 was the Bartok's early Rhapsody (Op. 1) for Piano and Orchestra, but this doesn't seem to be the case. I'll have to look into this one.

#1: You have the right composer, but not the right piece. If people have trouble with this one I'll post another page. I like how much of Ligeti's micropolyphonic-era music has the distinct diagonal patterns in the scores.

#2: Yes, it is Bartok 1, the end of the first movement -- another severely underrated piece.

#3: Correct -- the composer is American. He was close friends with the composer in my avatar.

#4: The typesetting definitely makes this one harder. This was written after #2 and #3, but before #1. You could say that it "premiered" in 1960.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on December 30, 2013, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: amw on December 29, 2013, 10:04:03 PM
Indeed. #3 remains open for anyone who might recognise it.

No idea whether these will be easier or harder:

#4
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-4.png)


As for your number 4, I doubt I'm right about this but the pianistic style looks like Edvard Grieg.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on December 30, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on December 30, 2013, 08:59:29 AM
I thought that amw#5 was the Bartok's early Rhapsody (Op. 1) for Piano and Orchestra, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
Nope. You're not far off, geographically at least, though.

Quote
#1: You have the right composer, but not the right piece. If people have trouble with this one I'll post another page. I like how much of Ligeti's micropolyphonic-era music has the distinct diagonal patterns in the scores.
My other guess would have been San Francisco Polyphony—I know it's not Melodien, orchestration is wrong. Ligeti's handwriting is pretty unmistakable.

Still clueless on your 3 and 4, though if I recognised whoever was in your avatar it might be easier. :P The percussion of 3 is rather telling though... perhaps one of those early jazz-influenced hep cats like John Alden Carpenter? That's not an early G. Schirmer score is it?

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on December 30, 2013, 10:15:08 AM
As for your number 4, I doubt I'm right about this but the pianistic style looks like Edvard Grieg.
It is indeed Grieg, though from one of his lesser-known works (one of which I'm quite fond).
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on December 31, 2013, 02:21:15 AM
Quote from: amw on December 30, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
It is indeed Grieg, though from one of his lesser-known works (one of which I'm quite fond).

I should have had the courage of my convictions. It's op. 72/14, Wedding March of the Goblins, from the Slatter.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on December 31, 2013, 08:49:37 AM
Quote from: amw on December 30, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
Nope. You're not far off, geographically at least, though.
My other guess would have been San Francisco Polyphony—I know it's not Melodien, orchestration is wrong. Ligeti's handwriting is pretty unmistakable.

Still clueless on your 3 and 4, though if I recognised whoever was in your avatar it might be easier. :P The percussion of 3 is rather telling though... perhaps one of those early jazz-influenced hep cats like John Alden Carpenter? That's not an early G. Schirmer score is it?
It is indeed Grieg, though from one of his lesser-known works (one of which I'm quite fond).

#1: Two other great pieces by Ligeti (I love SFP!), but neither is the one in the score given (it was written in the same time period as these, though). Here's a more representative page of the Ligeti. For some reason, it insists on appearing sideways even though the image is right-side up.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/sc7s47yt93q37wh/Nathan1-2.jpg)

#3: The composer in my avatar (as of now, at least) is a young Maurice Ravel. The composer of the score in question is a household name, by all means. Out of his classical works, though, this might be slightly lesser-known simply because it is overshadowed by a few other monumental things he wrote. The score isn't a Schirmer, though.

#4: The composer of this was given a large raise on his commission due to the effect of the music. I guarantee you know it -- it's just a more difficult part of the score to recognize.

By the way, I listened to the Adès "Asyla", and it is awesome! I've heard of the name Adès before, but I never knew any of his works at all. Thanks for introducing me to that piece!

I'll have to look into your #5. It shouldn't be too hard knowing where to look, now.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on December 31, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on December 31, 2013, 08:49:37 AM
#1: Two other great pieces by Ligeti (I love SFP!), but neither is the one in the score given (it was written in the same time period as these, though). Here's a more representative page of the Ligeti. For some reason, it insists on appearing sideways even though the image is right-side up.

Clocks and Clouds would be my guess for the one with women's chorus and five flutes.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on January 01, 2014, 06:19:09 AM
Yes, Clocks and Clouds (for 12-part women's chorus and orchestra) is correct! You know, Schott doesn't even publish a study score for this even though they do for pretty much everything else of Ligeti's. When I inquired, they let me purchase a copy of a conductor's score from a performance set. I have no idea why this is a lesser-known work of his. I like it way more than Atmospheres, more than the Requiem, and even a little more than Lontano (also a great piece, though). It's such an easy piece to get lost in while listening because its so beautiful. Ligeti not only joins his two compositional styles from the time (micropolyphony and meccanico), but has them seamlessly morph from one to the other, then back, etc. I know I'm off-topic here, but this has always bugged me. It was the first piece of his that I heard and I think it represents his 1960s-1970s style wonderfully.



Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on January 20, 2014, 05:59:15 PM
So I didn't have easily available internet access for a couple of weeks and then, just as I thought I was going to have time to get to this, my computer decided to die. Sorry about that.

Sforzando was correct on #4. 3 and 5 remain unguessed.

EigenUser, is your #3 An American in Paris by any chance? For some reason your hints have produced that impression in me.

I'll post a #6 sometime
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 21, 2014, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: amw on January 20, 2014, 05:59:15 PM
EigenUser, is your #3 An American in Paris by any chance? For some reason your hints have produced that impression in me.

Unfortunately not. I have that score. Unfortunately too we seem to have lost EigenUser.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on February 02, 2014, 02:22:16 PM
Haha, I figured that people gave up on this thread already. I figured I'd check again today, though, and I was happy to see that this wasn't the case.

As for the "An American in Paris" -- you have the right composer (in response to my previous hint, Gershwin took Ravel to jazz clubs and remained close friends during Ravel's tour of America in the late 1920s). Gershwin wrote An American in Paris as a type of souvenir from his later trip to Paris. The piece I posted is also a souvenir of sorts -- but from someplace warmer.

By the way, one month later -- the Ades Asyla has entered my "favorites" playlist. This has got to be one of the best things I've discovered in the past few months, at least.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 03, 2014, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on February 02, 2014, 02:22:16 PM
Haha, I figured that people gave up on this thread already. I figured I'd check again today, though, and I was happy to see that this wasn't the case.

As for the "An American in Paris" -- you have the right composer (in response to my previous hint, Gershwin took Ravel to jazz clubs and remained close friends during Ravel's tour of America in the late 1920s). Gershwin wrote An American in Paris as a type of souvenir from his later trip to Paris. The piece I posted is also a souvenir of sorts -- but from someplace warmer.

Has to be the Cuban Overture, then - a score to which I do not possess.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on February 06, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
I was initially thinking that amw#3 was contemporary (due to the rebellious nature of the key signature), but I'm starting to wonder if it is early (pre-Bach) violin writing. It doesn't seem "modern" at all.

QuoteHas to be the Cuban Overture, then - a score to which I do not possess.
Yes, it is the Cuban Overture. Only #4 is left, so I'll post some more.

#5
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/uv0ylqgbm6gm88n/Nathan5.jpg)

#6
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/hgjralgzb6or6qu/Nathan6.jpg)

#7
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/d68jazxmtvhihnu/Nathan7.jpg)

#8
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ox6e7iqvx9s8fwy/Nathan8.jpg)

#9
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ao9e4mdwhkcfsnl/Nathan9.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: rappy on February 06, 2014, 12:09:10 PM
#6 is Debussy Jeux (easy, but unfortunately I can't prove that I've recognized it because the title is shown on the bottom right).

#8 Stravinsky Agon?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on February 06, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on February 06, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
I was initially thinking that amw#3 was contemporary (due to the rebellious nature of the key signature), but I'm starting to wonder if it is early (pre-Bach) violin writing. It doesn't seem "modern" at all.\

Yes, it is in fact Sonata XI from Biber's Mystery Sonatas, each of which uses a different scordatura (XI is the most well-known one, "the Resurrection", with symbolically crossed strings tuned d'-d-g-G). It may be edifying to compare the "transposing score" with its actual sound, as realised:

(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/Biber-XI.png)

#5, which no one seems to have attempted, is Janáček's Řikadla. I bet Luke would have gotten that one.

EigenUser's #7 is Ives but I'm not sure what. I will guess The Fourth of July.
(edit: on second thought, I don't recall there being two pianos in the Holidays Symphony. Central Park in the Dark? I don't remember the Orchestral Sets well enough, if it's one of them I'm lost)

This is a little-known piece by a well-known composer. The composer should be identifiable from these three bars.
#6
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-6.png)

This is a late-20th-century masterpiece, in the opinion of some people at least (including me)
#7
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-7.png)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on February 06, 2014, 06:50:38 PM
I remember seeing a picture of two strings crossed on the wikipedia page for scordatura a long time ago. I just checked and it was from the same piece (the Biber Mystery Sonatas). I originally thought "Is that really necessary", but then I saw the 10ths in measures 6-7, which are a real pain in the neck to play (there is this series of 10th-interval double stops in Stravinsky's Violin Concerto, 2nd movement, which sticks out in my mind).

Quote#6 is Debussy Jeux (easy, but unfortunately I can't prove that I've recognized it because the title is shown on the bottom right).
Correct (I didn't see that the title was at the bottom, though!).

Quote#7 is Ives but I'm not sure what. I will guess The Fourth of July.
(edit: on second thought, I don't recall there being two pianos in the Holidays Symphony. Central Park in the Dark? I don't remember the Orchestral Sets well enough, if it's one of them I'm lost)
Ives' Central Park in the Dark is correct.

Quote#8 Stravinsky Agon?
Correct.

#4, #5, and #9 remain...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: rappy on February 07, 2014, 12:45:42 AM
#7 (amw) should be Quatre Chants pour franchir le Seuil (Grisey).
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on February 11, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
Quote from: rappy on February 07, 2014, 12:45:42 AM
#7 (amw) should be Quatre Chants pour franchir le Seuil (Grisey).

Yep. Referred to on this forum as a spectralist Lied von der Erde, though it's not spectral, or as boring as Das Lied. :D

#8
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-8.png)

#9
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-9.png)

Also 6 above.

No further guesses for now on EigenUser's, though the orchestration of 5 suggests Ravel. Too good to be any other Frenchie I can think of. ;)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 11, 2014, 04:18:12 AM
Quote from: amw on February 11, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
Yep. Referred to on this forum as a spectralist Lied von der Erde, though it's not spectral, or as boring as Das Lied. :D

#8
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-8.png)

#9
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw-9.png)

Also 6 above.

No further guesses for now on EigenUser's, though the orchestration of 5 suggests Ravel. Too good to be any other Frenchie I can think of. ;)

No idea on 8, though it's clearly contemporary; 9 looks like a French impressionist but not Debussy or Ravel; could be Fauré or even Koechlin - but I'm not confident of either of these guesses and don't have time to dig through scores right now.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on February 11, 2014, 11:58:40 AM
Is sfz#8 a Stockhausen score, by any chance (perhaps "Kontakte")? I don't know his work very well and haven't seen many of his scores, but I can imagine that they look something like this.

My #5 is Ravel. The most recognizable thing here would be the clarinet part for the last measure of the page shown.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on February 12, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on February 11, 2014, 11:58:40 AM
Is sfz#8 a Stockhausen score, by any chance (perhaps "Kontakte")? I don't know his work very well and haven't seen many of his scores, but I can imagine that they look something like this.

8 is an electronic piece, but not by Stockhausen. Same time period, though.

Quote
My #5 is Ravel. The most recognizable thing here would be the clarinet part for the last measure of the page shown.

It seems a lot more 'impressionist' than a lot of Ravel's music, for some reason. Like, I never think of Ravel as one of those soft pastel-colour composers the way Debussy is for instance.

I'd love to say I figured it out without loading up iTunes and listening to the first few seconds of any Ravel orchestral music that I thought might qualify, but honesty is a virtue. It's Un barque sur l'océan. ::) Which I probably would never have figured out otherwise since I always think of it as a piano work.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on February 12, 2014, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: amw on February 12, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
It seems a lot more 'impressionist' than a lot of Ravel's music, for some reason. Like, I never think of Ravel as one of those soft pastel-colour composers the way Debussy is for instance.

I'd love to say I figured it out without loading up iTunes and listening to the first few seconds of any Ravel orchestral music that I thought might qualify, but honesty is a virtue. It's Un barque sur l'océan. ::) Which I probably would never have figured out otherwise since I always think of it as a piano work.

Yeah, Barque is correct. There's no shame in looking things up for the right answer. I'm still waiting for someone to post a score that I'll recognize!

I love the piano suite "Mirroirs", but I enjoy listening to this more than the original for solo piano. Apparently Ravel didn't think so because he didn't include it in his list of works and it was published posthumously.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on May 15, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
I'm still surprised that no one got this one yet (#4). I guess it's harder than I thought.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ywuigf5u1ezgv1q/Nathan4.jpg)

And this one, for that matter (#9).
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ruitoij09xbg2jh/Nathan9.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 04, 2014, 10:31:32 AM
This one is in honor of Luke's return :D. I found this at my university's library yesterday. Something is not quite right, though...
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/tx3le2dgz1hgy0q/Photo%20Sep%2003%2C%205%2008%2042%20PM.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 01:21:42 PM
Hello, what a shame I missed the fun. The old thread was just a thing of beauty. FWIW I think I'd have got a good number of those last ones straightaway, but you'll have to take my word for it.  ;D This new one is the first movement of Schoenberg's op 16, I think, but in an arrangement, I am guessing
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 01:25:42 PM
Schoenberg's own, or Greissle's?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 04, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 04, 2014, 01:21:42 PM
Hello, what a shame I missed the fun. The old thread was just a thing of beauty. FWIW I think I'd have got a good number of those last ones straightaway, but you'll have to take my word for it.  ;D This new one is the first movement of Schoenberg's op 16, I think, but in an arrangement, I am guessing

Well, hullo, Luke! Long time.

There was a lot more energy on the old thread, which I have to say was the best experience I've ever had on this board. As for EigenUser's 4 and 9, I can't place the exact pieces, but 4 looks like Bartok and 9 Stravinsky, and that's the best I can do. Maybe someone should tally the whole lot and see what's yet unidentified. (Not that I couldn't do it, but laziness gets the better of me.)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
Mr Sfz! A pleasure, as always!

I haven't actually looked carefully through the previous page, I just assumed they had all been guessed a long time ago. The Grieg and the Janacek jumped right out at me though, and maybe one or two others. I've just knocked up a few for anyone who wants a go, but I should say I probably won't be able to give this thread quite the time and effort I gave its older brother, although I hope to be proved wrong.

Some of these are very hard, I wouldn't get them myself unless I spent many long hours looking at them. I've put them up because I think they are just interesting pieces. But others are much easier. There is a vague chain of (sometimes very tenuous) associations linking #1 with #2 and #2 with #3 and so on up to about #9. The others are just a random collection, though 14 and 15 are by the same composer, and they are only here because I think they are fun (an odd composer, this one, quite the bare-faced plagiarist!).

Knock 'em dead!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 03:24:33 PM
next 4...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 03:27:43 PM
next 2...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 03:28:35 PM
next 3...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 03:29:03 PM
last 2
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Oh, the #9 above that Sfz said looked like Debussy but wasn't - well, it looked very like one of the Etudes to me, but I trusted Sfz, he's usually right. But this time he wasn't, it is one of the Etudes (Pour les sonorites opposees). It was bugging me, so I checked!

The Ravel Barque, the Strav Agon and the Ives are the other ones I would have identified straight off, along with the Grieg, the Janacek and this Debussy. The Ades too, once I'd looked at it close up. The Ligeti too, I think. The others I would have had to think about.

Is the #8 above identified? It looks like Ligeti, too. His sense of humour all over it. In fact I'm pretty sure it must be Artikulation. No?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 04, 2014, 05:40:02 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 04, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Oh, the #9 above that Sfz said looked like Debussy but wasn't - well, it looked very like one of the Etudes to me, but I trusted Sfz, he's usually right. But this time he wasn't, it is one of the Etudes (Pour les sonorites opposees). It was bugging me, so I checked!

The Ravel Barque, the Strav Agon and the Ives are the other ones I would have identified straight off, along with the Grieg, the Janacek and this Debussy. The Ades too, once I'd looked at it close up. The Ligeti too, I think. The others I would have had to think about.

Is the #8 above identified? It looks like Ligeti, too. His sense of humour all over it. In fact I'm pretty sure it must be Artikulation. No?
#8 isn't Artikulation, as I've seen the score. I'll have to look into your new posts and get back!

Quote from: Luke on September 04, 2014, 01:25:42 PM
Schoenberg's own, or Greissle's?
I'm pretty sure it is Schoenberg's. I came across it in the library in my university as a part of a huge multi-volume hardbound Schoenberg scores they seem to have recently acquired. I was trying to find the score for the original and ended up finding this one first.

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 04, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
Well, hullo, Luke! Long time.

There was a lot more energy on the old thread, which I have to say was the best experience I've ever had on this board. As for EigenUser's 4 and 9, I can't place the exact pieces, but 4 looks like Bartok and 9 Stravinsky, and that's the best I can do. Maybe someone should tally the whole lot and see what's yet unidentified. (Not that I couldn't do it, but laziness gets the better of me.)


9 is Stravinsky, but 4 is not Bartok.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 04, 2014, 05:40:02 PM
#8 isn't Artikulation, as I've seen the score.

Me too - I assumed it might be another rendering! But it is Ligeti?

edit - now fairly sure it can't be Ligeti!  :-[
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 04, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 04, 2014, 05:41:19 PM
Me too - I assumed it might be another rendering! But it is Ligeti?

edit - now fairly sure it can't be Ligeti!  :-[
Yeah, the Ligeti is only 2 or 3 minutes or so and this has time markings far past that. I didn't think of that myself, but I assume that is what you are referring to.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 04, 2014, 08:12:23 PM
Cool, activity! I might post some more now...

Quote from: Luke on September 04, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Oh, the #9 above that Sfz said looked like Debussy but wasn't - well, it looked very like one of the Etudes to me, but I trusted Sfz, he's usually right. But this time he wasn't, it is one of the Etudes (Pour les sonorites opposees). It was bugging me, so I checked!
Indeed. Still the only one of the Etudes I can play. :P

Quote
The Ravel Barque, the Strav Agon and the Ives are the other ones I would have identified straight off, along with the Grieg, the Janacek and this Debussy. The Ades too, once I'd looked at it close up. The Ligeti too, I think. The others I would have had to think about.

Is the #8 above identified? It looks like Ligeti, too. His sense of humour all over it. In fact I'm pretty sure it must be Artikulation. No?
No. It's Berio, in fact - Visage. Ligeti was not the only one to prepare "scores" for electronic pieces during that period. And my unidentified #6 on page one is the middle movement from Sibelius's sonatina in F-sharp minor.

Now onto the guessing!

Luke #1 seems so familiar but I am clueless. Flute, harp, string trio and... voice? (I can't imagine what else it would be) is a unique enough combo that it should be recogniseable.

Luke #2 is the last four bars of what would later become Symphonies of Wind Instruments, Stravinsky's Tombeau de Debussy (?) published 1918.

#4 is Dussek's Execution of Marie Antoinette piece, whatever it's called. Op. 23. That's the part where Marie gets executed.

I think #7 is Satie, but around the 2/4 bar I start becoming less sure of it. Typesetting doesn't help.

The rest don't look familiar at this stage, though they do look interesting.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: kishnevi on September 04, 2014, 08:22:39 PM
No. 6 (if I have the numbering correct) is Bach's Magnificat (the "Sicut locutus").
Know this solely because I was one of the baritones in a college performance.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 04, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
Once again I don't know how easy these will be, though at least two of them should be readily identified

#10
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw10.jpg)

#11
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw11.jpg)

#12
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw12.jpg)

#13
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw13.jpg)

#14
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw14.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2014, 09:43:14 PM
I've had 3 hours sleep and now need to set of for work, so no chance to look at these new ones yet. Some of them seem familiar...ish, but I can't identify them straightaway. (is 12 Sorabji? it half-looks like him...)

Re the Berio, funnily enough, I considered him, and even that very piece, and in fact nearly played it through to check last night, but I was getting so tired that I didn't bother! Darn it! The German is a nice red herring, pointing one Stockhausen- and Ligeti-wards, but Berio used it too, and this sort of UE look reminds one of him too. Plus, the humour one can see in it, which I connected with Ligeti - it belongs to Luciano too.

My #2 is the Stravinsky, correct
My #4 is the Dussek - well done, that's a harder one!
#7 isn't Satie - but you're not far off.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 12:32:42 AM
EigenUser, isn't yours no. 4 a film score? Like perhaps Herrmann's Psycho?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
Quote from: amw on September 04, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
Once again I don't know how easy these will be, though at least two of them should be readily identified
I think that #10 is Dutilleux's Ainsi de la Nuit.

Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 12:32:42 AM
EigenUser, isn't yours no. 4 a film score? Like perhaps Herrmann's Psycho?
THANK YOU MACIEK! 8) Now, anyone care to guess which scene?

I have a good one that I can post later on, but I'm too lazy to get it right now (even though my shelf is 4 feet in front of me right now :D -- it's a comfortable chair!).
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 07:31:37 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
Now, anyone care to guess which scene?

In my case, that might take a while.



amw, could your no. 11 be Lachenmann?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 05, 2014, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on September 04, 2014, 08:22:39 PM
No. 6 (if I have the numbering correct) is Bach's Magnificat (the "Sicut locutus").
Know this solely because I was one of the baritones in a college performance.

I don't see the Bach anywhere. #6 (if we're referring to Luke's pieces) is from the Offertorium from the Requiem by Pierre de la Rue. (I knew it was a Requiem mass by the text, and since it sure wasn't Verdi, this was the most likely Renaissance candidate. Positive ID.)

Guys, since we have a lot of duplicate numbers by now, it would help it you added your initials to each of your entry numbers.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 05, 2014, 09:00:05 AM
Quote from: amw on September 04, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
Once again I don't know how easy these will be, though at least two of them should be readily identified.

Assume that if you think it will be easy, everyone else will find it near impossible, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 05, 2014, 09:01:46 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 04, 2014, 03:29:03 PM
last 2

No clue, but 14 is clearly quoting the Brahms 3rd piano sonata.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: kishnevi on September 05, 2014, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 05, 2014, 08:58:45 AM
I don't see the Bach anywhere. #6 (if we're referring to Luke's pieces) is from the Offertorium from the Requiem by Pierre de la Rue. (I knew it was a Requiem mass by the text, and since it sure wasn't Verdi, this was the most likely Renaissance candidate. Positive ID.)

Guys, since we have a lot of duplicate numbers by now, it would help it you added your initials to each of your entry numbers.

Well, I will be goshdarned.
True, it's been over thirty years since that concert, and I don't have the Bach score handy.....
but the "semini ejus' matches my memory of how Bach wrote that passage. 
I assume there is no possibility of Bach borrowing from de la Rue.   Is the similarity there or is my aural memory worse than I think it is?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 05, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 04, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
Mr Sfz! A pleasure, as always!

I haven't actually looked carefully through the previous page, I just assumed they had all been guessed a long time ago. The Grieg and the Janacek jumped right out at me though, and maybe one or two others. I've just knocked up a few for anyone who wants a go, but I should say I probably won't be able to give this thread quite the time and effort I gave its older brother, although I hope to be proved wrong.

Some of these are very hard, I wouldn't get them myself unless I spent many long hours looking at them. I've put them up because I think they are just interesting pieces. But others are much easier. There is a vague chain of (sometimes very tenuous) associations linking #1 with #2 and #2 with #3 and so on up to about #9. The others are just a random collection, though 14 and 15 are by the same composer, and they are only here because I think they are fun (an odd composer, this one, quite the bare-faced plagiarist!).

Knock 'em dead!

#1 is from Psyché by Manuel de Falla.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 05, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
Oh, Psycho! I have that score, so if you want to know which section it is I can track it down.

Of mine, the Psyche is correct - one of my favourite pieces by Falla. The tenuous connection to #2 is that Falla also wrote a piece for the Debussy Tombeau from which the Stravinsky comes.

The Pierre de la Rue is also correct*

And yes, my no 14 quotes the Brahms as Sfz spotted. The next page quotes the German Requiem, too.




* Only read further if you want to know my personal reasons for posting this particular page - bear with me on this! One of my 'Desert Island' pieces - and I am not joking about this in the least - is 'Boatwoman Song,' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EoY8Wbu7sk) the first track from Canaxis, a 1968 album by Stockhausen pupil Holger Czukay (Czukay made the album by sneaking into KS's studio at night time, and Canaxis itself is often cited as the first use of 'sampling' in popular music, the idea coming directly from Stocky, of course). Czukay went on to become a founder member of the enormously important and influential 'krautrock' band Can. This album and Can's early albums have always impressed me enormously - this is prog rock with all the noodle and excess removed, just a uniquely burning, fiery intensity and huge musicality evident everywhere in the complex, seething mix. But my love of this music is surely also bound up with the fact that I discovered it, through my older brother (Jo Re Mi on this forum) when I was about 15 or so, and it seared itself on my musical make-up. A particularly central memory of mine is sitting in my brother's studenty bedroom on warm summer nights, the windows open to the garden and the fields outside, and hearing this music for the first time. Boatwoman Song was always my favourite, and each time I hear it I am transported back.... It begins with an austere slab of Gothic choral music, whose last few bars are looped and become the background for a field recording of two Vietnamese boatwomen singing. The connections forged between distant time and distant place are haunting, there is a kind of logic to it but goodness knows how. After a while the choir fades out; when it enters again, later, it undergoes a dramatic slippage in pitch which seems to take the track down into ever deeper, more precious areas.

I always wanted to know what was the choral music Czukay had used for this track. According to one way of defining the word and one version of history, this piece is the very first piece of sampled music. I have heard that looped phrase thousands of times in my life, it has become quite important to me - but where, precisely, did it come from? It took quite a bit of tracking down - the sampled passage is the last half a line of my extract from de la Rue's Requiem, (although the de la Rue turns out to be a well-known work to those conversant in this repertoire, which I am not). Annoyingly, now on Youtube I see that there is another video which makes the connection, and so my detective work was a bit wasted!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 05, 2014, 02:14:35 PM
I was right about that #12 (I'm not sure whose is whose, sorry) - it is Sorabji, as I suspected, from deep into the Opus Clavicembalisticum, pg 153
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 05, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
I think that #10 is Dutilleux's Ainsi de la Nuit.
Indeed it is. Last page

Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 07:31:37 AM
amw, could your no. 11 be Lachenmann?
It certainly could.

Quote from: Luke on September 05, 2014, 02:14:35 PM
I was right about that #12 (I'm not sure whose is whose, sorry) - it is Sorabji, as I suspected, from deep into the Opus Clavicembalisticum, pg 153
Yep—climactic chords at the end of the Adagio, one of the few passages that stuck out to me when I first tried to listen to the whole piece.

There's a Sorabji connection with one of the others I posted as well
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: amw on September 05, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
Indeed it is. Last page
;D

Here are some more, in approximate order of difficulty. Numbers 11 and 12 should be fairly easy, 13 less so, 14 very difficult, and 15 I expect to be brutal. I could be wrong, though.

Number 14 in particular is very close to me. As obscure as it might be, it is one of my favorite SQs of all time.

11.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6oszovatptjit2d/Nathan11.jpg)

12.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6qt8ea5rx1x5esn/Nathan12.jpg)

13.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/rn3v1hsk9kn7njt/Nathan13.jpg)

14.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/nbr6xbdety8u8mo/Nathan14.jpg)

15.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/iadwtyd52gozxtk/Nathan15.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 05:15:41 PM
Would 15 be Milhaud?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 05:15:41 PM
Would 15 be Milhaud?
Okay, seriously, how the hell did you do that?! There isn't even a recording of the piece yet, as enticing as it looks.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: kishnevi on September 05, 2014, 05:34:44 PM
14
English speaking composer who uses the human pulse as a tempo indication.
My first guess would be Corigliano.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 06:08:10 PM
Nope, 14 is Mackey Ars Moriendi, middle of 1st mvt (Don't trouble trouble). Whew, time to sleep. Good night!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 05, 2014, 06:38:08 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
;D

Here are some more, in approximate order of difficulty. Numbers 11 and 12 should be fairly easy, 13 less so, 14 very difficult, and 15 I expect to be brutal. I could be wrong, though.

12 here is the Schoenberg piano concerto.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 05, 2014, 11:39:01 PM
At first glance the first of these new ones, #11, has a look of Messiaen about it, perhaps Et Expecto or Couleurs de la Cite Celeste, but honestly, I've hardly looked at it properly, so now I'm going in again, more properly.... And the Schoenberg I knew, but never mind  ;D
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 12:14:10 AM
Still looks like Messiaen, but it isn't either of the two pieces I mentioned....  :-\
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 01:11:07 AM
Is it La Transfiguration? I haven't seen that score for about 18 years, but it's from the same time period as the two works I mentioned and closer examination shows a much bigger orchestra than the page you have supplied, the same orchestra as in La Transfiguration I think. I don't think it's one of the late works, but I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 01:37:23 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 06:08:10 PM
Nope, 14 is Mackey Ars Moriendi, middle of 1st mvt (Don't trouble trouble). Whew, time to sleep. Good night!
>:( These weren't supposed to be easy!

I suppose you are either a fan of Mackey or you saw my posts about his SQ...

Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 01:11:07 AM
Is it La Transfiguration? I haven't seen that score for about 18 years, but it's from the same time period as the two works I mentioned and closer examination shows a much bigger orchestra than the page you have supplied, the same orchestra as in La Transfiguration I think. I don't think it's one of the late works, but I might be wrong.
It is Messiaen, but it isn't La Transfiguration..., Colours de la Cite Celeste, or Et Exspecto... (I almost posted the latter). You're so close!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 01:39:33 AM
Isn't it perhaps Éclairs? (I actually typed this in before you posted. ;D)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 01:45:14 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 01:39:33 AM
Isn't it perhaps Éclairs? (I actually typed this in before you posted. ;D)
Nope! (HA-- for once you are wrong :D).

There aren't many things left to guess. You could say that this piece had an unusual source of inspiration for Messiaen, but not surprising when you think about it. This is my favorite section from the piece (not that this helps...).
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 01:39:33 AM
Isn't it perhaps Éclairs? (I actually typed this in before you posted. ;D)
Orchestra's way too small for that >.>

It is almost certainly Des canyons aux étoiles but I'm not completely sure what movement as of yet

Will randomly guess somewhere in Bryce Canyon et les rochers rouge-orange.

I feel like EigenUser's #13 might be Ohana (one of the two works for piano and orchestra) but don't know for certain. Clearly French/francophone, not Dutilleux or Messiaen, but similar to both...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:58:49 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
Okay, seriously, how the hell did you do that?! There isn't even a recording of the piece yet, as enticing as it looks.

The composer's not hard to guess, but no idea which of his 716043943290,84378291058492 as-yet-unrecorded works it could be. Or how to tell them apart for that matter. >.> (sorry that was mean)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 02:01:46 AM
Suite en sol.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 02:07:33 AM
Quote from: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
It is almost certainly Des canyons aux étoiles

That would explain why the xylorimba is underlined. :)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
That's the one possible score I didn't bother to check through, because I didn't remember this page at all, was sure it wasn't it! How shameful!   :-[


(the day I found all three volumes of that score for about £20, in Brian Jordan's in Cambridge - a day I will always remember!)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 02:19:03 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 02:01:46 AM
Suite en sol.
Has this post been of any help? :P
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,13493.msg813197.html#msg813197

BTW, it might sound like I'm annoyed, but I'm not at all. I would have done the same thing ;D! Or do you really know the Milhaud (i.e. seen it performed live or seen the score)? Just curious, because I couldn't find any information on that piece (I purchased it because I got it at very low price -- like $2 -- and its price sticker said something like $60).

I talk way too much about certain pieces here, so I suppose my choices are kind of obvious :-\. Oh well, I bring it upon myself.

Quote from: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
Orchestra's way too small for that >.>

It is almost certainly Des canyons aux étoiles but I'm not completely sure what movement as of yet
It is Des Canyons aux Etoiles (volume II), Bryce Canyon et les Rochers Rouge-Orange (the movement following the famous Appel Interstellaire). Great piece, even though it is a bit hard to wrap my head around. It seems odd that a French composer would be inspired by the landscape of Utah, but when you think about the scale and grandiosity of Messiaen's music it actually seems to make sense.

Quote from: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
I feel like EigenUser's #13 might be Ohana (one of the two works for piano and orchestra) but don't know for certain. Clearly French/francophone, not Dutilleux or Messiaen, but similar to both...
Yup, the PC. I still really, really want the score for the CC In Dark and Blue!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 02:28:44 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
(the day I found all three volumes of that score for about £20, in Brian Jordan's in Cambridge - a day I will always remember!)
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
You LUCKY b******! What the hell is it with Messiaen's scores? WHY must they be so freakin' expensive? It's that stupid Alphonse-Leduc publisher. Durand doesn't help either, with their $205 pocket score of the Turangalila-Symphonie. You know, I purchased Et Exspecto Resurrectionum Mortuorum online because it was on sale at sheetmusicplus.com (still at a pricey $55-ish). It was one of the shoddiest things I have bought. The binding looks like it is going to give way already and the printing is just very poor quality. I was so upset when I received it that I almost wrote a letter to Alphonse-Leduc. The opera St. Francois d'Assisse is roughly $2500-$3000, making it nearly unobtainable

Why can't they be more like Schott? All of the Ligeti scores I have are beautifully put together (many even with computerized typesetting, but even the old engraved ones are nice), large study-score format (8.5''x11''), and cheap (especially for a composer still under copyright worldwide)! I am very picky about the quality of scores I have.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 06, 2014, 02:31:23 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
(the day I found all three volumes of that score for about £20, in Brian Jordan's in Cambridge - a day I will always remember!)
Sounds like you got a bit luckier than me (at least price wise). Brian Jordan's always has something tempting, I believe I went in to buy a copy of the Well-Tempered Clavier and came away with Ligeti's Requiem and Horn Trio, Lutosławski's Livre pour orchestre, a string quartet by Skalkottas and an armful of other random stuff. (And now I live in a country with no classical music retailers, lol.)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:31:30 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 02:28:44 AM
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
You LUCKY b******! What the hell is it with Messiaen's scores? WHY must they be so freakin' expensive? It's that stupid Alphonse-Leduc publisher. Durand doesn't help either, with their $205 pocket score of the Turangalila-Symphonie. You know, I purchased Et Exspecto Resurrectionum Mortuorum online because it was on sale at sheetmusicplus.com (still at a pricey $55-ish). It was one of the shoddiest things I have bought. The binding looks like it is going to give way already and the printing is just very poor quality. I was so upset when I received it that I almost wrote a letter to Alphonse-Leduc. The opera St. Francois d'Assisse is roughly $2500-$3000, making it nearly unobtainable

Why can't they be more like Schott? All of the Ligeti scores I have are beautifully put together (many even with computerized typesetting, but even the old engraved ones are nice), large study-score format (8.5''x11''), and cheap (especially for a composer still under copyright worldwide)! I am very picky about the quality of scores I have.

I shouldn't say, then, that on the same day, on the same shelf, I also found Turangalila, Et Expecto and Chronochromie, amongst other things. £80 the lot. A very, very good day (others, on other days, include Mahler-Cook 10 for £4, Elgar Gerontius in the £192 edition for £4....)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:34:02 AM
Quote from: amw on September 06, 2014, 02:31:23 AM
Sounds like you got a bit luckier than me (at least price wise). Brian Jordan's always has something tempting, I believe I went in to buy a copy of the Well-Tempered Clavier and came away with Ligeti's Requiem and Horn Trio, Lutosławski's Livre pour orchestre, a string quartet by Skalkottas and an armful of other random stuff. (And now I live in a country with no classical music retailers, lol.)

That shop is/was amazing. And Brian Jordan himself, an institution. His presence in Cambridge is missed. This stalkerish video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU0YJVCeGj0) is quite sweet - very 'Cambridge', though!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 02:47:45 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 02:19:03 AM
Has this post been of any help? :P
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,13493.msg813197.html#msg813197

Well, if it's any consolation: no, I wasn't aware of that post. You just happened to post the right page, with a very good clue. :)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 09:07:28 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:31:30 AM
I shouldn't say, then, that on the same day, on the same shelf, I also found Turangalila, Et Expecto and Chronochromie, amongst other things. £80 the lot. A very, very good day (others, on other days, include Mahler-Cook 10 for £4, Elgar Gerontius in the £192 edition for £4....)
It's okay, we all get lucky. This past May/June I discovered a music store in the DC area about 20-30 minutes from my house by complete accident -- I was on a plane in April and the person sitting next to me turned out to be a music theory professor at Catholic University. He informed me of this store that had been open since the 1950s which was closing and having huge discounts. One of the largest selections of sheet music in the country and I never knew about it! And I'm always looking for music stores! The owner's father was a conductor so they had a huge selection of full-sized scores -- all 50% off. Even more, I got to know the lady in the back who started giving me 80% off (and free things, too). The last day they were open I got roughly $500 worth of music for $35 (including the two volumes of Haydn's The Seasons -- priced at $170).

Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 02:47:45 AM
Well, if it's any consolation: no, I wasn't aware of that post. You just happened to post the right page, with a very good clue. :)
What was the clue for the Milhaud? I assume that the Mackey clue was the "heartbeat" tempo, which I did on purpose because I thought it would be harder. It wasn't easy to find a page of the Messiaen with a bird name or a page of the Schoenberg without a hauptstimme, and these would make them too obvious.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 12:30:19 PM
Two more:

16.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/xoxqy3hzno67u4e/Nathan16.jpg)

17.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7ar6exixpf0esx0/Nathan17.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
16 must be Steuermann's arrangement of Schoenberg's op 9, right?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:13:24 PM
And the other one an arrangement of Sirenes (Debussy Nocturnes no 3) but I'm not sure who by yet.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:07:57 PM
16 must be Steuermann's arrangement of Schoenberg's op 9, right?
Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:13:24 PM
And the other one an arrangement of Sirenes (Debussy Nocturnes no 3) but I'm not sure who by yet.
Yes to both. The Debussy arrangement is by Gustave Samazeuilh. Sadly, it's out of print. I got it for free at that closing music store and I was ecstatic when I found it because I love that piece so much (Sirenes in particular).
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
And a couple more from me to be getting on with.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2014, 03:36:36 PM
Will try to find time to post a few more tomorrow
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 04:21:18 PM
Well, mysteryscore2-luke-016 is Erwin Schulhoff's Duo for violin and cello.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 04:59:03 PM
And the other one is Sandor Veress, String trio, 2nd mvmt: Allegro molto.

Good night. :)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 07, 2014, 12:05:20 AM
Nice! Both pretty crazy-cool pieces, IMO. More to follow in a bit...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 07, 2014, 12:40:28 AM
Three more (there will be more)

Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 07, 2014, 04:29:07 PM
Hm... B-A-C-H, Peanuts, Tolkien... Maybe I can think of something tomorrow? :D
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 07, 2014, 06:28:54 PM
I believe the first one of those is a composition by the estimable Professor Peter Schickele, perhaps the Notebook for Betty-Sue Bach or something
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Karl Henning on September 08, 2014, 03:43:16 AM
For she's a jolly good fellow . . . .
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 08, 2014, 10:17:51 AM
Schickele is correct, though the piece is the  Short-Tempered Clavier (search it out....). As Karl intimates, the use of For He's A Jolly Good Fellow to set against the chromatic earnestness of BACH is something of a clue!

Peanuts - no, sorry.

Tolkein - yes, but who is the composer? Anyway, here are some more...

Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 08, 2014, 10:21:26 AM
2 more
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 08, 2014, 10:21:58 AM
1 more for now
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 08, 2014, 09:50:43 PM
22 looks like it could be from Chopin's Waterloo?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 08, 2014, 10:18:21 PM
Correct - by Benjamin Wallfisch. Crazy piece!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Karl Henning on September 09, 2014, 03:41:20 AM
Go, Maciek!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 09, 2014, 03:59:14 AM
This game is depressingly one-sided... :(

I wish I could get more of these. Posting scores is easy! It's the actual knowing part that is difficult.

I am still shocked that the Mackey was guessed. I could have sworn that piece was pretty much unknown. I only know of it because I saw it played live when I was in 10th grade. That was the first time I ever heard of it and I was moved immediately. My parents both looked pale and disturbed after the performance. I was also in a solemn mood at the end, but I was far more used to modern classical music than they were so I wasn't totally "stunned". The idea that music can have such an effect on people is really remarkable to me.

Seriously, though, the Mackey Ars Moriendi is a phenomenal SQ. Fortunately, a recording exists.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 09, 2014, 03:59:14 AM
This game is depressingly one-sided... :(

Personally, I'd like some more to guess, or some clues on the existing ones. As far as mine are concerned, I'll put some clues up shortly...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 09, 2014, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 06, 2014, 09:07:28 AM
What was the clue for the Milhaud? I assume that the Mackey clue was the "heartbeat" tempo, which I did on purpose because I thought it would be harder.

For the Milhaud it was two clues, actually. But the main one was the tempo marking: "Alerte et Léger". It seemed pretty uncommon. (And then the second clue: the number of the movement.)

The Mackey was tough (but eventually solvable, as it turned out) - the heartbeat, in my case, worked as a false lead. I still have to listen to it in its entirety (certainly intend to). The sobbing glissandos reminded me very much of Kulenty's Cradle song, which is a piece I like very much, and if I ever get my hands on the score (highly unlikely), I'm sure I'll post something from it here. A very sad piece, its writing is connected with the composer's loss of her daughter.

(What I mean is Cradle song for piano trio - it appears she has also written a string quartet with the same title, for Kronos, no less! - but I've never heard it, apart from a 2 minute snippet on her site. )

Quote from: Luke on September 07, 2014, 12:05:20 AM
Nice! Both pretty crazy-cool pieces, IMO.

And new discoveries for me.

Quote from: Luke on September 08, 2014, 10:17:51 AM
Peanuts - no, sorry.

According to my sources, there was a Frida with curly hair in Peanuts?

Quote from: Luke on September 08, 2014, 10:18:21 PM
Correct - by Benjamin Wallfisch. Crazy piece!

I found a sample of the score online, though not the insane page you gave us. It reminds me of a mocking and slightly scary description of a (fictional) avantgarde piece. The description was written by Henryk Czyż (Polish conductor, Schumann's Paradis, Penderecki). My memory is hazy, but I think that, among other things, the orchestra was to destroy their instruments. This was obviously at a stage when Czyż became less enthusiastic about some of the music he once championed.

Quote from: Luke on September 09, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Personally, I'd like some more to guess

I do have some ideas. The problem is time. :)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Karl Henning on September 09, 2014, 09:39:39 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 09, 2014, 09:34:45 AM
According to my sources, there was a Frida with curly hair in Peanuts?

I think you're right.  FWIW, that was the first association which came to my mind, as well :)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 09, 2014, 09:34:45 AM
According to my sources, there was a Frida with curly hair in Peanuts?

Possibly, and that may or may not have something to do with this piece, I'm not sure, but not directly, anyway. However, the strip cartoon aspect is very relevant!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Dax on September 09, 2014, 09:45:59 AM
Frida with curly hair is from Stripsody by Cathy Berberian!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 09:48:30 AM
She certainly is!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 09, 2014, 10:30:32 AM
Ta-dah!
Cheering and applause.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Karl Henning on September 09, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
Give the man a Peppermint Patty, a beagle, and a baseball glove.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 09, 2014, 12:12:03 PM
Actually, this all seems very much in the mood of the piece, doesn't it? Listening to it now on Spotify. A [the?] Frida bit comes around the 4th minute in the Theatre of Voices/Hillier rendition. How you could decide on any specific segment to post I don't know.

Oh, and incidentally - though it would be difficult to name two more constrasting pieces in one post: I see that a new recording of Kulenty's Cradle song is available on Spotify too, at least from my location.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 09, 2014, 01:07:38 PM
I'd like to make 2 suggestions:

1. That we merge this thread with the old score quiz and that we try to keep the numbering scheme more or less consistent (is it still doable at this point??).

[And, to use a Candace-Flynn-an intonation: by we - I mean I (in the first instance) and you (in the second) and by try to - I mean do and by more or less - I mean perfectly. ;D ;D ;D]*

3. That, occassionally, those of us who have posted quiz scores post an update (what has been answered, what hasn't, that sort of thing), and possibly links, including links to hints or something like that (how did we do it on the old thread exactly? I'm trying to check, but there was so much rambling ;D ;D ;D did we ever actually get around to posting any score quiz questions over there? ;D ;D )

These are suggestions, mind you, so I'm not trying to pressure anyone into anything. Rather, I'd like to solicit your opinion(s).

Footnote:
* - Because how could I expect anything less than that? Seriously, though, I hope it is clear that the snappy/pathetic attempts at humor are all tongue in cheek. I do mean it when I say these are just suggestions.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 09, 2014, 01:08:31 PM
On a tangent, just to prove to you that I did take a look at the old thread, here is a hilarious exchange:

Quote from: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
465 - Beethoven??

Quote from: sul G on April 16, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
No. But one of the few composers whose fame is roughly on that level (just a wee bit less, I suppose)

Quote from: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
Brahms??

Quote from: sul G on April 16, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
No. Someone in between. One of his most famous pieces.

Quote from: Maciek on April 16, 2009, 02:27:22 PM
In terms of fame or chronology? Schubert??
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
Yes, the level of discourse was impressive, wasn't it  ;D

On the old thread I did spend an inordinate amount of time keeping score (of the score scores  ;D ) and posting updated lists of what had been found and what was waiting to be identified. It took ages, and it was an ongoing process, but that thread got so huge that it needed to be done. I think to merge the scores of this one and that one would take forever, which I don't really have any more, but I agree that ideally it would be nice to make the two run together...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 09, 2014, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: amw on September 04, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
#11
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw11.jpg)

#13
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw13.jpg)

#14
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/amw14.jpg)
Still unguessed.

There's a pretty big clue in the score of #11 (big enough that someone who's never heard the piece could still potentially figure it out) but it also is the only piece by its composer for that particular combination of instruments. Not a totally uncommon one.

13 and 14 are more obscure. The combination of nationality and time period in 13 is certainly unusual, though not extremely so; perhaps more notable will be the anticipation by ~40 years of what was, until about 1950, the most popular Romantic symphony.

As for 14, what does its musical style suggest? What does its typesetting suggest? (I've cropped out the publisher's name, but if you've seen scores by them before you should recognise the house style.)  The composer is rarely ever discussed on GMG—why might that be?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 01:51:15 PM
Prompted by Maciek, I've been looking back at the old thread for fun - wow, I spent a lot of time on it in those days! Both in setting hundreds of them, in keeping the scores and clues up to date, and in really beavering away on any that I didn't set! So far this time I haven't really done any of that, I've just said the ones that spring out at me, but now, with these thoughts in mind I've done a tiny bit of digging on amw's 11, and I think it's Lachenmann's Tanzsuite mit Deutschlandlied. The others might be harder...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Ha! Maybe not. Looked at 14 for the first time properly, suddenly it rang a bell - it's van Dieren's 2nd, isn't it?
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 09, 2014, 01:57:14 PM
Yes to both.

I'm really surprised that I've been unable to find any recordings of the van Dieren quartets—just scores floating around. You'd think someone would have tackled them at some point in the past century or so.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 01:58:19 PM
I've got a disc with no 6 on it...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: amw on September 09, 2014, 02:00:47 PM
Hmm. I'll look harder. They do seem to be fascinating pieces.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 02:09:49 PM
Fascinating composer, all round. His image too, is fascinating, somehow thoroughly modern - this picture always surprises me for that reason:

(http://www.bardic-music.com/images/vandieren01.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 09, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
Where does one get a velveteen shirt like than nowadays....?  ;D
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 11, 2014, 06:14:07 AM
Believe it or not, I've actually heard of Stripsody.

Even though I'm not good at this (though I did get the Dutilleux WOOHOO! 8) ;D), I do enjoy looking at the new scores.

Two more. Fire away!

18.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/p5q5pq8r5mzw4hh/Nathan18.jpg)

19.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/4mem2g9vewzwl6i/Nathan19.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 11, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
Is the second one Nouvelles Aventures? (Ligeti, natch). I only have the score to Aventures, and I don't think this page is in that one, but it looks very similar...
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 11, 2014, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 11, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
Is the second one Nouvelles Aventures? (Ligeti, natch). I only have the score to Aventures, and I don't think this page is in that one, but it looks very similar...
Yes!
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: kishnevi on September 11, 2014, 11:31:29 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 11, 2014, 11:03:18 AM
Yes!

I was wondering if it might be something from Grand Macabre.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 11, 2014, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on September 11, 2014, 11:31:29 AM
I was wondering if it might be something from Grand Macabre.
Good guess, but Le Grand Macabre actually resembles normal music much more than you'd think. The entire score for the opera can be viewed here from Ligeti's publisher:
http://www.schott-music.com/shop/9/show,158755.html
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Dax on September 11, 2014, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: amw on September 09, 2014, 01:57:14 PM
Yes to both.

I'm really surprised that I've been unable to find any recordings of the van Dieren quartets—just scores floating around. You'd think someone would have tackled them at some point in the past century or so.

I have a recording of no. 1
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 14, 2014, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
(the day I found all three volumes of that score for about £20, in Brian Jordan's in Cambridge - a day I will always remember!)
Luke, this is a stupid question, but what is the quality of the three volumes of Des Canyons aux Etoiles...? Are they full-sized and well put together? The library at my university has all three volumes and I have them currently checked out (along with pretty much the rest of Messiaen's oeuvre :D). The ones from the library are full-size, but I'm not sure if that is what the publisher rents or sells (some libraries somehow get a hold of rental scores).  I have recently been loving this piece and I think I might by each volume, one by one. Especially since I'm working out a solo piano arrangement of Bryce Canyons.... I'd hate to pay that much and receive such a low-quality product, even though it is the only one available. Either way, I'll end up getting the three eventually, but I'm wary after getting Et Exspecto....
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 15, 2014, 10:33:37 AM
Oh, they're beautiful volumes, full size, good quality, lovely things. I will try to take a photo of their exteriors when time permits!

Any clues on any of the unidentified scores in the offing? I will do some for mine soon, too.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 15, 2014, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 15, 2014, 10:33:37 AM
Oh, they're beautiful volumes, full size, good quality, lovely things. I will try to take a photo of their exteriors when time permits!
Nice! Thanks! I am tempted to order volume II first... Appel... and Bryce Canyons... are two of my favorite movements.

Quote from: Luke on September 15, 2014, 10:33:37 AM
Any clues on any of the unidentified scores in the offing? I will do some for mine soon, too.
If I checked correctly, the only one of mine remaining open is #18. Hmmm... how can I give a clue without giving anything away? Well, he was best friends with another (much more famous) composer. That probably isn't that helpful, though.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 15, 2014, 03:00:34 PM
Another one to be getting on with, just for the hell of it (am just listening to this piece, that's why...)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: lescamil on September 15, 2014, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 15, 2014, 03:00:34 PM
Another one to be getting on with, just for the hell of it (am just listening to this piece, that's why...)

That's the Messiaen Cinq Rechants.
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Luke on September 15, 2014, 03:19:04 PM
Yep, indeed it is  :)
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: Maciek on September 16, 2014, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 09, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
On the old thread I did spend an inordinate amount of time keeping score (of the score scores  ;D ) and posting updated lists of what had been found and what was waiting to be identified. It took ages, and it was an ongoing process, but that thread got so huge that it needed to be done. I think to merge the scores of this one and that one would take forever, which I don't really have any more, but I agree that ideally it would be nice to make the two run together...

I imagine it's a real lot of work - and I very much appreciated you doing it on the old thread, thank you very much indeed 8) - but, precisely because of the amount of work, I wasn't really thinking about one person keeping track of everything. Rather, what I meant was that each quiz poster would keep track of his own quiz scores.

Since no one seems to have anything against doing a merge, I'll go ahead with it. It will make it easier to search all the quiz scores (one search instead of two).

[Done. :)]
Title: Re: Mystery Scores, round 2
Post by: EigenUser on September 16, 2014, 02:18:07 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 16, 2014, 01:33:46 AM
I imagine it's a real lot of work - and I very much appreciated you doing it on the old thread, thank you very much indeed 8) - but, precisely because of the amount of work, I wasn't really thinking about one person keeping track of everything. Rather, what I meant was that each quiz poster would keep track of his own quiz scores.

Since no one seems to have anything against doing a merge, I'll go ahead with it. It will make it easier to search all the quiz scores (one search instead of two).

[Done. :)]
Appreciate it, thanks! I actually was thinking the same thing about each poster keeping track of their own posts. I'll try and get mine organized later.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
Interesting, I will get going on it soon. In the meantime, some more, just for fun....

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
...2 more
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2014, 01:42:07 PM
last one for now
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 17, 2014, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 17, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
...2 more
Is #30 a booby-trap like the Sciarrino Anamorfosi posted a few years back?

If not, then I guess Mozart's Alla Turka from the 11th piano sonata.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 17, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
It's not, end is slightly different (articulation is also not Mozart's). Yet another manic plagiarist :D

I'm guessing #27 is Hamelin, and #28 is Maxwell Davies, but no idea what the pieces are as of yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 17, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
It's a bit of a wild guess, but could 31 be Siegmund von Hausegger?? I have no way of checking. ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 17, 2014, 05:10:26 PM
29 is definitely the Prelude to Act I of Pfitzner's Palestrina.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 17, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: amw on September 17, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
It's not, end is slightly different (articulation is also not Mozart's). Yet another manic plagiarist :D

I'm guessing #27 is Hamelin, and #28 is Maxwell Davies, but no idea what the pieces are as of yet.

30 - Well spotted, that's correct on the 'Mozart' - the clues (the ones I can spot initially anyway) are a) the last few notes, where the ornamentation is not WAM's; b) the lack of repetition of the opening phrase; c) the English tempo indication, 'Fast'

Still needs the composer identified, though. If I'd given some of the next page it would have been a slightly easier hunt, because that is where the real changes begin, and there'd be more to go on - I chose this one to see if anyone spotted the minor alterations that appear at first.

28 is Maxwell Davies, and there is a thematic clue as to the work itself (I looked through the score carefully for it!)

27 - not Hamelin, though I can see why you might say that. Look carefully at the substance of the music and it should be findable.

Quote from: Maciek on September 17, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
It's a bit of a wild guess, but could 31 be Siegmund von Hausegger?? I have no way of checking. ::)

Sorry, no. I can see why you would say it though - the brooding opening of some serious-minded late-Romantic Germanic orchestral work which looks obscure, I'd have guessed him too. On the right lines, of course.

Quote from: Maciek on September 17, 2014, 05:10:26 PM
29 is definitely the Prelude to Act I of Pfitzner's Palestrina.

Ooooh yeah. Amazing music. Everyone should know it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz-p39opOh4) Such fluidity, such a unique atmosphere. To me its peculiar rhythmic feel, so delicate and throbbing with unpredictable life is like nothing else, except perhaps late Schumann (e.g. the  Nachtlied op 108 - another unmissable piece, but in this case almost unknown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKMtfL8LOf0))
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 18, 2014, 12:28:16 AM
Quote from: amw on September 17, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
It's not, end is slightly different (articulation is also not Mozart's). Yet another manic plagiarist :D

:laugh:

Quote from: Luke on September 17, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
30 - Well spotted, that's correct on the 'Mozart' - the clues (the ones I can spot initially anyway) are a) the last few notes, where the ornamentation is not WAM's; b) the lack of repetition of the opening phrase; c) the English tempo indication, 'Fast'
I did notice the English tempo marking, but I figured that it was just a publishing thing or something like that. I almost thought that you were posting one that even I could get!

That Sciarrino piece is hilarious, by the way. I have a friend who is a phenomenal piano player (won a contest with the 10th (Joyous Spirit) of the Messiaen Give My Regards to Baby Jesus). He has a great sense of humor (and loves Ravel, having done the Toccata from TdeC). I should tell him about the Anamorfosi. I could see him learning it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 18, 2014, 01:58:17 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 17, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
28 is Maxwell Davies, and there is a thematic clue as to the work itself (I looked through the score carefully for it!)
Vesalii icones? I've never heard that piece, but the extract looks like it comes from PMD's "good period" (I hate saying that about a composer :\ ) and that's the first one that came to mind.

Quote
27 - not Hamelin, though I can see why you might say that. Look carefully at the substance of the music and it should be findable.
My initial guess would have been one of Godowsky's studies on Chopin's etudes, but as far as I know Godowsky never turned the Butterfly Etude upside down (though he did combine it with the Black Key Etude at one point). I'm not sure which other composers have a similar obsession with making Chopin harder.

Incidentally some hints on the first lot you posted might be nice, I'm still lost on the majority (though #3 is looking vaguely familiar, Froberger perhaps? and I think #13 might be Krenek)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 10:34:14 AM
Yes, hints coming, and more scores too, later tonight hopefully. You are right about Froberger btw (I almost wrote frogburger by mistake - coming to McDonald's Paris soon!). There is a clue in the extract I gave as to exactly which Froberger piece it is, too (which is why I gave this particular example, obviously)

Re the whole Hamelin/Godowsky/Chopin thing - yes, every word you say is correct, you have made all the correct observations in order to identify the piece. But I will say, I was surprised that this particular composer would have composed this particular set of pieces
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:00:04 AM
OK, first off, here are a few new ones...then I'll do a FULL list of the whole thread later, if everyone's amenable to me taking that on - I'll just copy the list from the 'old' thread and add a new section. Will take me a bit of trawling around to do it, though, so be patient.

On with the new!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:01:25 AM
more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:02:27 AM
more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 18, 2014, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:00:04 AM
OK, first off, here are a few new ones...then I'll do a FULL list of the whole thread later, if everyone's amenable to me taking that on - I'll just copy the list from the 'old' thread and add a new section. Will take me a bit of trawling around to do it, though, so be patient.

On with the new!


There was a time I could have played these, but I fear those days are past. Nonetheless, it seems you purposely left a clue with the name Jean Gaspard Debreau. He was a famous mime in the 1800's and was immortalized in the film Children of Paradise. In that film, he is referred to by his stage name Baptiste. There was some fine music in that most famous of French films, composed by Maurice Thiriet. Could this be from that film or have I followed a red herring?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:27:19 AM
Nice reasoning, but no, it isn't Thiriet. Much, much more famous, and quite surprising, once known.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 18, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
I think 37 is Messagesquisse. Some of the other new ones look familiar too, watch this space.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 18, 2014, 01:06:52 PM
34 should be John's Book of Alleged Dances. You'd think it would be hard to turn in something so insipid with string quartet and prepared piano, but John's got the magic touch.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: kishnevi on September 18, 2014, 01:10:40 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:27:19 AM
Nice reasoning, but no, it isn't Thiriet. Much, much more famous, and quite surprising, once known.
Devilish of you.  You supply a clue that leads to two composers.  Both Debussy and Poulenc set that poem (google of course)
http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=2155
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 18, 2014, 01:12:01 PM
And 35 looks like the palindromic 2nd movement of Berg's Kammerkonzert in piano reduction, though I'm not sure what the extra instrument is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on September 18, 2014, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: amw on September 18, 2014, 01:12:01 PM
And 35 looks like the palindromic 2nd movement of Berg's Kammerkonzert in piano reduction, though I'm not sure what the extra instrument is.

Ah, the arrangement for vn/cl/pf;  I think Luke included that one for me  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
The Berg, Adams, Boulez are all correct, and the Debussy or Poulenc one is by either Debussy or Poulenc, correct  >:D

Now, batten down the hatches, here comes trouble........
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 04:05:10 PM
OK, here are the final lists, as far as I can make them up, for the old thread, which went up to 2011.

First list, part one (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127154.html#msg127154)
First list, part two (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg127155.html#msg127155)
Second list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg190412.html#msg190412)
Third list (one long part) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg224388.html#msg224388)
Fourth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg278842.html#msg278842)
Fifth list (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg445700.html#msg445700)

The fifth and last list linked to above is on page 247. The following works on it remained unidentified at that point. Later Maciek revealed his ones, and I'm also revealing those of mine which were left - both of those updates are below,, in red, plus the others still remaining. Maybe those who still have some left from that time might want to reveal them now too:

Set by Luke
474 - Rachmaninov - Romance, piano 6 hands - composer identified by Karl, but piece revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
477 - Berlioz - Valse chantée par le vent dans les cheminées d'un de mes châteaux en Espagne (H 131) - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427138.html#msg427138)
479 - Sibelius - Lullaby for Violin and Kantele, JS 222 - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg427153.html#msg427153)
481 - I can't actually remember what this one was at the moment, something along the Schulhoff axis IIRC, but I'll let you know when I remember! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg433480.html#msg433480)

Set by Maciek
96 - Friedman - Minuet from Mahler's 3 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
97 - Wieniawski - Faust Fantasie - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
99 - Różycki - Cello Sonata - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg279052.html#msg279052)
105 - Bacewicz - Violin Sonata no 2 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301020.html#msg301020)
107 - Bacewicz - Contradisione - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301165.html#msg301165)
109 - Bacewicz - Symphony no 3 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301169.html#msg301169)
110 - Bacewicz - Oberek no 1 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301170.html#msg301170)
111 - Bacewicz - Divertimento - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg301174.html#msg301174)
112 - Szymanowski - String Quartet no 1 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305631.html#msg305631)
115 - Bacewicz - String Quartet no 6 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305634.html#msg305634)
116 - Bacewicz - String Quartet no 5 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305637.html#msg305637)
117 - Bacewicz - String Quartet no 3 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305638.html#msg305638)
118 - Bacewicz - Piano Quintet no 2 - revealed by Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg305640.html#msg305640)
119 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306307.html#msg306307)
120 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg306310.html#msg306310)

Set by Karl
28 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)
46 - Shostakovich - Piano Sonata 2 - amw -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)
49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)

Set  by Rappy
3 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356560.html#msg356560)
5 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356561.html#msg356561)
8 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg356562.html#msg356562)

Set by listener
1 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg436737.html#msg436737)

Set by Brian
1 - Corigliano - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg438921.html#msg438921)

Between page 247 and the 2013 resumption of the thread on page 253 were the following:

Set by Rappy
10 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg445752.html#msg445752)

Set by listener
2 (he called it 1) - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449346.html#msg449346)
3 (he called it 2) - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449348.html#msg449348)
4 (he...you get the picture) - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449349.html#msg449349)
5 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449350.html#msg449350)
6 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg449351.html#msg449351)

Set by Maciek - none of these are visible any more, so there's no point clicking here unless Maciek pouts them up again, but I'm linking to them anyway for completeness' sake
122 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465510.html#msg465510)
123 - Gorecki - 3rd Symphony - Greg (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465512.html#msg465512)
124 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465513.html#msg465513)
125 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465514.html#msg465514)
126 - Gorecki - 1st Symphony - Greg (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465515.html#msg465515)
127 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465516.html#msg465516)
128 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465517.html#msg465517)
129 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465518.html#msg465518)
130 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465519.html#msg465519)
131 - Shostakovich SQ 15 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478113.html#msg478113)
132 - Bach - Flute Sonata BWV 1031 - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478114.html#msg478114)
133 - Saint-Saens - Carnival of the Animals - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478115.html#msg478115)
134 - Bach Double Violin Concerto - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478116.html#msg478116)
135 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478117.html#msg478117)
136 - Ravel - Concerto in G - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478118.html#msg478118)
137 - Debussy - Cello Sonata - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478119.html#msg478119)
138 - Ravel - Violin Sonata - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478120.html#msg478120)
139 - Beethoven - Polonaise - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478121.html#msg478121)
140 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg478123.html#msg478123)

Set by James
2 - Stockhausen - Klang, 17th Hour - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg465714.html#msg465714)

There were also questions from Rappy, but they were all linked to his quiz hosted elsewhere, so not really part of the GMG thang...

And that was it, till 2013!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 04:06:23 PM
Next up, then, a list of the post-2013 2nd Generation Mystery Scores, as they stand at present....

Here it is, the long-awaited up-to-date list:

Set by EigenUser
1 - Ligeti - Clocks and Clouds - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882)
2 - Bartok - Piano concerto 1 - amw (I think this is a PC, I can't see the pic any more, and amw just says Bartok 1, could be an SQ I suppose...) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882)
3 - Gershwin - Cuban Overture - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882)
4 - Biber - Mystery Sonata XI - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882) (I may have these two the wrong way round)
also another in here somewhere, I casn't work them out now the pics are gone - but it was Hermann - Psycho - Maciek
5 - Ravel - Un barque sur l'ocean - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
6 - Debussy - Jeux - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
7 - Ives - Central Park in the Dark - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
8 - Stravinsky - Agon - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
9 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
10 - Schoenberg - op 16 in chamber arr - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827844.html#msg827844)
11 - Messiaen - Des Canyons - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
12 - Schoenberg - Piano Concerto - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
13 - Ohana - Piano Concerto - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
14 - Mackey - Ars Moriendi - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
15 - Milhaud - Suite en sol - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
16 - Schoenberg op 9 in pno arr - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828365.html#msg828365)
17 - Debussy - Sirenes in pno arr - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828365.html#msg828365)
18 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg829759.html#msg829759)
19 - Ligeti - Nouvelles Aventures - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg829759.html#msg829759)
20 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
21 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
22 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)

Set by amw
1 - Rorem - Piano concerto for the Left Hand - lescamil (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767707.html#msg767707)
2 - Ades -Asyla - lescamil (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767707.html#msg767707)
3 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767707.html#msg767707)
4 - Grieg - Slatter - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767888.html#msg767888)
5 - Janacek - Riklada - revealed by amw (and yes, amw, as you guess, I would have got it!) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767888.html#msg767888)
6 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775416.html#msg775416)
7 - Grisey - Quatre Chants pour franchir le Seuil - Rappy (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775416.html#msg775416)
8 - Berio - Visage - revealed by amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg776107.html#msg776107)
9 - Debussy - Etude (pour les sonorites opposees) - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg776107.html#msg776107)
10 - Dutilleux - ainsi la nuit - EigenUser (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
11 - Lachenmann - Tanzsuite mit Deutschlandlied - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
12 - Sorabji - Opus Clavicembalisticum - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
13 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
14 - van Dieren - String Quartet no 2 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)

Set by Luke
seeing as the two threads, old and new, are now merged, I'm going to have to renumber my new ones. So double numbering on these first few, and any future ones will revert to the old system
483/1 - Falla - Psyche - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
484/2 - Stravinksy - Chorale from Tombeau de Debussy - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
485/3 - Froberger - Lamentation/Ferdinand III - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
486/4 - Dussek - Sorrows of Marie Antoinette - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
487/5 - Chisholm - Piobaireachd - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
488/6 - de la Rue - Requiem - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
489/7 - Ravel - Menuet (posth) - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
490/8 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
491/9 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827928.html#msg827928)
492/10 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827928.html#msg827928)
493/11 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929)
494/12 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929)
495/13 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929)
496/14 - Niemann - Hamburg - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930)
497/15 - Niemann - Phantisien im Bremer Ratskeller - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930)
498/16 - Schulhoff - Duo - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828424.html#msg828424)
499/17 - Veress - String Trio - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828424.html#msg828424)
500/18 - Schikele - The Short-Tempered Clavier - composer guessed by amw, piece revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525)
501/19 - Berberian - Stripsody - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525)
502/20 -  Swann - The Road Goes Ever On - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525)
503/21 - And the same to you - Dudley Moore - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828948.html#msg828948)
504/22 - Wallfisch -- Chopin's Waterloo - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828948.html#msg828948)
505/23 - Davies - The Matrix Soundtrack - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828950.html#msg828950)
506/24 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828950.html#msg828950)
507/25 - Delage - Ragmalika - revealed by Luke after he messed up and left the piece identified in his clues  :-[  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828951.html#msg828951)
508/26 - Messiaen - Cinq Rechants - lescamil (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg830904.html#msg830904)
509/27 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423)
510/28 - Maxwell Davies - ? - amw got the composer (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423)
511/29 - Pfitzner - Palestrina - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423)
512/30 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831424.html#msg831424)
513/31 - Stephan - Music for Orchestra - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831424.html#msg831424)
514/32 - Wayne - War of the Worlds - Maciek  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831425.html#msg831425)
515/33 - Debussy - Pierrot - Maciek with honourable mention to mc ukrneal (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831654.html#msg831654)
516/34 - Adams - Johns Book of Alleged Dances - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831654.html#msg831654)
517/35 - Berg - Chamber Concerto in Clarinet/Violin/Pno arr by Berg - amw/Karl (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831655.html#msg831655)
518/36 - Berio - Cries of London - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831655.html#msg831655)
519/37 - Boulez - Messagesquisse - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831657.html#msg831657)
520/38 - Britten - The Little Sweep - listener -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831657.html#msg831657)


Phew - that took a while!! Clues on mine will have to wait till tomorrow, I think....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 18, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:02:27 AM
more...
The Boulez looks an awful lot like Ligeti (his Patented DiagonalScorePatternDesign!), but I know pretty much all of Ligeti's output so I wouldn't have guessed him. Had I noticed the instrumentation I would have guessed the Boulez, but then I saw amw got it :(.

Thanks for doing the lists! I need to fix the old pictures. I never deleted any Dropbox files so I'm not sure why they don't show up anymore. amw posted the Biber sonata, though.

The first one was also Clocks and Clouds, but it wasn't a good picture and it was hard to guess from the section. You can ignore it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
Cool, I've amended the list to show that, though there are still a few of yours that confuse me at the moment. All will be cleared up if you're able to put the images back.

Yes, the Boulez has a much more geometrically neat appearance than one would expect, much more Ligeti-like, I agree. It's a really nifty piece, I reckon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 18, 2014, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
Cool, I've amended the list to show that, though there are still a few of yours that confuse me at the moment. All will be cleared up if you're able to put the images back.

Yes, the Boulez has a much more geometrically neat appearance than one would expect, much more Ligeti-like, I agree. It's a really nifty piece, I reckon.
I'll give it a listen tomorrow. I've only heard about it, and 8 cellos seems like an unusual orchestration to me that stands out.

All of my pictures are showing up now, at least to me. For some reason, the source link changed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 18, 2014, 07:05:28 PM
Luke's 481 should be the Martinů quartet for clarinet, horn, violoncello and snare drum. And is 510 not Vesalii icones? I don't know nearly enough from PMD's "good period", think I should fix that sometime.

For the Froberger the key is the only clue I can think of as he didn't write much at all in F minor. A quick search reveals that it is the Lamentation on the Death of Ferdinand III, but I'm not sure I could have guessed that from the excerpt alone (though what I was going to guess, the Tombeau de M. Blancrocher, is on the previous page in the same book and rather similar in style >.>)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 18, 2014, 09:10:36 PM
Could be the Martinu, yes! Sounds very likely. I will try to check later, but I no longer have that score. It was all so long ago now....  ;D

No, the MD is something else. As I say, there is a clue in the music.

The Froberger is the one you found, obviously - the clue is the final 3 notes - FFF, at the top of a rising arpeggio = Ferdinand 3rd, risen to heaven. Amazing stuff, Froberger.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 18, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
2-38 Britten: Let's Fake Make an Opera?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on September 19, 2014, 03:51:28 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 04:06:23 PM
Phew - that took a while!!

No kidding; I applaud you!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 19, 2014, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: listener on September 18, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
2-38 Britten: Let's Fake Make an Opera?

Yes, basically. The Little Sweep, which is of course the opera in question. Nice work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on September 19, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 04:05:10 PM

Set by Karl
28 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432300.html#msg432300)
46 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432314.html#msg432314)
49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg432316.html#msg432316)


Sheesh, those three are a mystery to me, no less than to others, by now . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
OK, some clues for my remaining ones, including the new ones:


487/5 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927) - There is a connection between both this one and 24 with a big item in today's news (the biggest item if you live where I do). Among other surprising facts, the composer of this piece has deep connections to Bartok, both musical and personal, and they are clearest, perhaps, in the pieces from which this page comes - Chisholm - Piobaireachd - Maciek
489/7 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927) - amw said Satie here, he's not far off. The composer of this piece had close associations with Satie, including giving premieres of some of Satie's most important pieces, but he's much more famous in his own right (in fact very famous indeed, more than Satie). This is a little-known work in a genre that the composer explored more famously in a few other works. Ravel - Menuet (posth) - Maciek
490/8 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927) - Homage to composer of the next piece....
491/9 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827928.html#msg827928) - Piano transcription by the composer of one of his own songs. Play it - the composer is pretty obvious, I think, and it is very close in style to some of his well-known piano works
492/10 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827928.html#msg827928) - Mega obscure (though it is recorded on Naxos), this comes from a large collection of harpsichord pieces grouped by key. This one is pretty extraordinary in sound, and worth a listen.
493/11 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929) - very famous composer, fairly clear who it is, I think, from the piano style here, this piece, though not as well-known as many of his other works, is thought by some to be his hardest.
494/12 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929) - Hard to give a clue here, the composer is quite obscure but these pieces are very interesting. The main feature you can see here (think in general terms about what looks interesting, I mean) is the subject of all the pieces in the set. The composer fathered three more composers, whose work is maybe slightly better known.
495/13 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929) - incredible piece, this, the only work I have seen by the composer, who is much better known as a theorist.
496/14 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930) - The piece quotes Brahms, as Sfz noted. The set it comes from is concerned with Brahms's home town. The composer is fascinating, though hardly great - what fascinates is his blatant copying of other composers - I'll give some examples when he is identified. Niemann - Hamburg - Maciek
497/15 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930) - Same composer as above. Very clever and witty clue which will help searching in the music. Niemann - Phantasien im Bremer Ratskeller - revealed by Luke
502/20 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525) - The source of the text has been identified. The composer did write a fair amount of serious music but is much better known for his comic songs Swann - The Road Goes Ever On - Maciek
503/21 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828948.html#msg828948) - Play it, listen to it, google what you notice, you have the answer. And the Same to You - Dudley Moore - Maciek
505/23 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828950.html#msg828950) - I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit... Davies - The Matrix - Maciek
506/24 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828950.html#msg828950) - See number 5, though obviously this is a very different composer. I knew this piece pretty well when I was a young laddie...
507/25 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828951.html#msg828951) - Delage Ragamalika Idiotically left the title of this one in this very list, so had no choice but to reveal it, sorry!
509/27 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423) - Chopin, upside down, as has been noted. Very near to identifying this, then - the composer isn't one I would have guessed at instantly.
512/30 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831424.html#msg831424) - Mozart, played with, and over the page, about to be played with a lot more. What style would the original lend itself to?
513/31 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831424.html#msg831424) - Not Hausegger, but that was a good guess. Composer died young around 100 years ago, so maybe you can guess how. Only wrote a few pieces, but very impressive and recorded a few times. The one vocal work of his I've heard is the closest I've heard any other composer sound to Schoeck (which is a big plus in my book) Stephan - Music for Orchestra - Maciek
514/32 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831425.html#msg831425) - Hugely famous piece - look at the instrumentation, look at the music itself, play along... Wayne - War od the Worlds - Maciek
515/33 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831654.html#msg831654) - Well, we've got this down to either Debussy or Poulenc. Given that I said I was surprised that this composer  wrote this piece, you can probably guess which one it is... Debussy - Pierrot - Maciek with honourable mention to mc ukrneal
518/36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831655.html#msg831655) - Read the text, it gives a good clue as to the character of the texts throughout this piece, and once that's identified the piece ought to be quite easy to get. Berio - Cries of London - Maciek
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 19, 2014, 02:46:21 PM
518/36 - Read the text, it gives a good clue as to the character of the texts throughout this piece, and once that's identified the piece ought to be quite easy to get.

"Powder Her Face" by Adès?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 19, 2014, 02:51:48 PM
505/23 - I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit...

One of Del Tredici's Alice pieces?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 19, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 19, 2014, 02:51:48 PM
505/23 - I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit...

One of Del Tredici's Alice pieces?
The violin and piano lines made me think that it was the overture to Vertigo for a second, but when I zoomed in this wasn't the case.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 20, 2014, 12:49:17 AM
None of these are correct, but the Vertigo guess is closer than the others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 20, 2014, 02:20:05 AM
I just noticed that I didn't give a clue to one of mine. Trying to keep myself organised, I made a list of my unidentified ones and then one-by-one replaced the names of the pieces with the clues...except on one, where I forgot to give a clue and just left the name in by mistake. Ooops  :-[  No one has noticed yet, it seems, but I might as well reveal it anyway: no 25, Ragamalika by Delage. Love those oriental melismas...

link to clues for my scores, updated as pieces are identified/revealed (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831966.html#msg831966)
link to all current scores, updated as we go (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831712.html#msg831712)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 20, 2014, 12:52:15 PM
New one, just for fun (just listened to this, it's quite a piece). Page 3 and the last page, just to give you extra clues, but it's only one score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 20, 2014, 01:43:20 PM
Don't think I know the new one you posted.

Here are three replies. Actually, would love to chat a bit longer about the first one, but want to get to know it a little better first.

Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
513/31 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831424.html#msg831424) - Not Hausegger, but that was a good guess. Composer died young around 100 years ago, so maybe you can guess how. Only wrote a few pieces, but very impressive and recorded a few times. The one vocal work of his I've heard is the closest I've heard any other composer sound to Schoeck (which is a big plus in my book)

Rudi Stephan - Music for orchestra. Quite fascinating.

Quote
515/33 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831654.html#msg831654) - Well, we've got this down to either Debussy or Poulenc. Given that I said I was surprised that this composer  wrote this piece, you can probably guess which one it is...

Debussy - Pierrot. (Sorry if I was supposed to leave this to mc ukrneal who did 99.9% of the job...)

Quote
518/36 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831655.html#msg831655) - Read the text, it gives a good clue as to the character of the texts throughout this piece, and once that's identified the piece ought to be quite easy to get.

Berio - Cries of London. Sounds more traditional than it looks?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 20, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
Those are all correct, well done. And yes, Rudi Stephan is fascinating, I agree. Really individual, promising composer.

Will amend the list soon!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 20, 2014, 02:55:28 PM
A few more from me. I went to the library today to pick up a few old machine design books so I could make the next homework assignment for the that course I am a TA for. The engineering section is in the basement right next to the folio section -- where they keep things that don't fit where they normally belong, including a lot of oversized music. I wasted spent an extra hour today thanks to that. The first two are some interesting ones that I found that I haven't heard before (actually, I may have heard the first one, but I can't remember -- I definitely know of it). I wouldn't post things that I wouldn't get myself, but Luke said he wanted more to guess, so voila!
20.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/od8h3j3et0792bo/Nathan20.jpg)

21.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/m04yuwq73lh8etk/Nathan21.jpg)

22. Not a score, but a part.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/y196dwmhr3kyywo/Nathan22.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 20, 2014, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
487/5 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927) - There is a connection between both this one and 24 with a big item in today's news (the biggest item if you live where I do). Among other surprising facts, the composer of this piece has deep connections to Bartok, both musical and personal, and they are clearest, perhaps, in the pieces from which this page comes

This is Cumha na Cloinne (no. 23) from Erik Chisholm's Piobaireachd.

Quote
489/7 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927) - amw said Satie here, he's not far off. The composer of this piece had close associations with Satie, including giving premieres of some of Satie's most important pieces, but he's much more famous in his own right (in fact very famous indeed, more than Satie). This is a little-known work in a genre that the composer explored more famously in a few other works.

This is Ravel's Minuet in C-sharp minor.

Quote
502/20 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525) - The source of the text has been identified. The composer did write a fair amount of serious music but is much better known for his comic songs

Namárië. Based on the clues, I'm guessing this is from Donald Swann's The Road Goes Ever On. If so, then, according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Goes_Ever_On), it is "based on a tune by Tolkien himself". But no source is given, and I don't really know what that means anyway. ;D (Is the info more detailed in the book itself?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 21, 2014, 01:45:00 AM
Fantastic - all of these correct, well done.


But those new ones!?  ???   Not the foggiest, not yet (though I'm sure I've seen the second one somewhere before...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 21, 2014, 01:54:23 AM
Both lists updated:

link to clues for my scores (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831966.html#msg831966)
link to all current scores (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831712.html#msg831712)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 21, 2014, 02:00:39 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 20, 2014, 05:48:50 PM
Namárië. Based on the clues, I'm guessing this is from Donald Swann's The Road Goes Ever On. If so, then, according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Goes_Ever_On), it is "based on a tune by Tolkien himself". But no source is given, and I don't really know what that means anyway. ;D (Is the info more detailed in the book itself?)

Yes - here's the relevant page from Swann's introduction (left hand column if you are in a hurry)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 21, 2014, 02:02:29 AM
I just think it's great that the guy who wrote these (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=flanders+and+swann) also wrote that bit of Elvishness!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 21, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 19, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
Sheesh, those three are a mystery to me, no less than to others, by now . . . .

46 is from the final movement of Shostakovich's Piano Sonata No. 2, I've played that page. Can't help you with the others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 21, 2014, 03:19:11 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 21, 2014, 01:45:00 AM
Fantastic - all of these correct, well done.


But those new ones!?  ???   Not the foggiest, not yet (though I'm sure I've seen the second one somewhere before...)
;D 0:)

I'd be surprised if no one got the first one (other than me!).

What a cool place, the library! I can just go in, take pictures of pages of scores, and post them here! While my own collection is rather large for a non-music student of my age, the result of posting many of those scores would probably be like watching three tigers (Luke, Maicek and amw) devour a deer. Plus, I tend to talk too much on here about music that I like so mine are predictable, anyway.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 21, 2014, 10:33:53 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 20, 2014, 12:49:17 AM
None of these are correct, but the Vertigo guess is closer than the others.

That's encouraging!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on September 21, 2014, 10:38:19 AM
Quote from: amw on September 21, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
46 is from the final movement of Shostakovich's Piano Sonata No. 2, I've played that page. Can't help you with the others.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 21, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 21, 2014, 02:00:39 AM
Yes - here's the relevant page from Swann's introduction (left hand column if you are in a hurry)

Very interesting. Thank you. So it would appear that this particular song is almost 100% Tolkien (except for introduction, interlude and coda).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 21, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
Well, that's a fair portion of it, though. Plus, I guess, the rationalisation of Tolkien's singing into notated form was also Swann's, and, to the extent that listening-interpreting-notating is also a creative/compositional/reifying activity, one could say that he had a hand in that too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
514/32 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831425.html#msg831425) - Hugely famous piece - look at the instrumentation, look at the music itself, play along...

Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds! Argh! I feel SO silly for not noticing right away. :-[

But to see it as a score, how cool is that!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 09:34:21 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
496/14 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930) - The piece quotes Brahms, as Sfz noted. The set it comes from is concerned with Brahms's home town. The composer is fascinating, though hardly great - what fascinates is his blatant copying of other composers - I'll give some examples when he is identified.

Well, pure guesswork here, but this could perhaps be the 7th movement of Walter Niemann's Hamburg...?

Quote
497/15 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930) - Same composer as above. Very clever and witty clue which will help searching in the music.

Assuming that my above answer is correct, still too clever and witty for me. :D

(Same thing if I'm wrong, actually...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 10:23:55 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
505/23 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828950.html#msg828950) - I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit...

The Matrix??
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
Great work - all correct, of course. The Matirx score, with its heavy shades of John Adams, but a coherent tone of its own too, is by Don Davies.

The Niemann is right - did I make it clear that the next one is by Niemann too? What I love in that one is just the way it starts out like a formal BACH piece of counterpoint, but the end of the motive gets mutated into BACCH{u}eS, with a little drunken hiccup on those last three notes. Interesting composer - examples of his extreme imitative compositional technique follow later.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
503/21 - Play it, listen to it, google what you notice, you have the answer.

And the same to you! Is the music actually by Dudley Moore?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 11:07:49 AM
Well, this is turning out to be a pretty entertaining set... ;D

Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
Great work - all correct, of course. The Matirx score, with its heavy shades of John Adams, but a coherent tone of its own too, is by Don Davies.

Well, I wasn't 100% sure. The brass was a bit difficult to read and looking at the strings I was wondering whether it wasn't Glass (not sure if I've ever seen a sample of his hand). [My very first thought, though, actually was Adams ("couldn't this be from Short Ride...?").]

Quote
The Niemann is right - did I make it clear that the next one is by Niemann too?

You did, but I guess my brain switched over to another mode, because I didn't notice it was B-A-C-H!!! :o

(Not to even mention the further transformation of the motif...)

Still, I'm not sure if those clues alone will be enough to identify the piece by title (Anakreon??)...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on September 22, 2014, 11:16:14 AM
Maciek, you are the man!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 10:56:59 AM
And the same to you! Is the music actually by Dudley Moore?

Yes it is. Have you seen it? It's just superb! Enjoy....

http://www.youtube.com/v/GazlqD4mLvw
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 11:28:13 AM
The second Niemann is Bacchantenzug from the Phantasien im Bremer Ratskeller op 113. Lots of fun!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 11:41:35 AM
The current list updated (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831712.html#msg831712)
My clues updated (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831966.html#msg831966)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 11:25:43 AM
Yes it is. Have you seen it? It's just superb! Enjoy....

I tend to avoid YouTube, but I have heard it - and really enjoyed it (I found two different versions on Spotify).

Perhaps this would be a good time to post a couple of my own...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:05:22 PM
OK, I hope I manage to post all of them before you guys start snatching them up... Because there will be a couple of very easy ones (? you never know, I guess), but I'm not posting them because of their difficulty. ::) :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
One. 141, 142.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:06:45 PM
Two. 143, 144.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:07:13 PM
Three. 145, 146.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Four. 147, 148.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:08:29 PM
Five. 149, 150. One of these is prompted by one more or less recently posted by Luke.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:09:09 PM
Six. 151, 152.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:09:42 PM
Seven. 153, 154.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:11:04 PM
Eight. 155, 156.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
Nine. 157, 158. (Last two. Enjoy. Hopefully.)
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Post by: EigenUser on September 22, 2014, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
One.
Ravel's Tombeau de Couperin, II. Forlane
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 01:26:18 PM
Bugger, slow internet and I missed that one!

Tchaik's 1st PC is in there too. I haven't looked properly yet, they were the two low-hanging fruit I saw immediately.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 01:27:47 PM
Is four from Trovatore?
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 01:29:13 PM
The second one of 5 is Nina Simone's My Baby Just Cares For Me
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:33:15 PM
All, except Trovatore, correct. Is that your four or my four? ;D (I'll edit my numbering scheme into the posts.)
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 01:34:38 PM
Well from your four, I think. But if it's wrong, it's wrong. Verdi, though?
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 01:39:14 PM
Sorry, was in such a hurry to snatch the easy ones (and missing one of them  ??? ) that I didn't clock your numbering, nor the similarities you've nicely paired up.   8) The one above the Nina Simone is from Peatnuts - the Kite Song. I've played them, actually, but I can't remember who composed them OTTOMH.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 01:46:16 PM
Wow! I didn't think anyone would guess that one so fast. Yes, it is Peanuts (and of course, I posted it because of your recent Stripsody snippet)!

Do you mean 147 then? It's not Verdi. But in a way, you're close.

Thank you for noticing the similarities. :) (They are not all paired that way, at least I don't think so - that was what I initially meant to do, but then I started adding new ones etc...)
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 01:53:24 PM
No, I can see it's not Verdi now, looking at the orchestra. But it is something in that vein.
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
Is 155 Sikorski's Adventures of Sindbad the Sailor?
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:09:47 PM
And 157 the same composer's Passagio d'Inverno?
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:10:33 PM
And 158 his Diaphony?
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:12:48 PM
So maybe 156 is his Music from Afar
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:20:53 PM
152 - Szymanowski, Violin Concerto 1

Of course! Somehow that page on its own looks so much more contemporary-Polish, but once one hears it internally, the illusion ceases.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 02:29:07 PM
Ha ha ha! You're on a roll! Yes, Adventures of Sindbad the Sailor (I was hoping it that would be getable ;D ;D ;D). I have never heard it, unfortunately, though there was a performance in Warsaw two years ago, I think. It's a great book, by the way.

And yes, the Polish title of 157 is Pejzaz zimowy - I guess what you're quoting should be the Italian version (I don't think he wrote anything else with "winter").

And 158 is Diaphony. It's the whole score, in a sense. Though of course there's also a second part where A, B, and C are notated in a slightly more detailed fashion ;D.

And 156 is Music from Afar - a really striking piece, the only performance I have ever heard was just breathtaking, so I was a bit surprised to see now how vague the chorus part is - as it all really hinges on that chorus. :o

And 152 is Szymanowski. It's from the very, very end. I just thought it was nice how the whole gigantic score is at that point contracted into such a gentle, soft afterthought. That could be called "Music from Afar" too!
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:30:45 PM
145 is clearly Don Giovanni (WAM)
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:34:09 PM
148 = Saint Saens Danse Macabre
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:37:01 PM
153 is Sikorski too - Zerstreutes Hinausschauen
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:30:45 PM
145 is clearly Don Giovanni (WAM)

It is! I had no idea woodwinds used to be notated in the middle of a score like that. Not sure what the seating was in those days, but if it hasn't changed much, then this would reflect seating quite well. Or was there some other reason?

Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:34:09 PM
148 = Saint Saens Danse Macabre

Yes, it is!

Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 02:37:01 PM
153 is Sikorski too - Zerstreutes Hinausschauen

Precisely.
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 02:48:07 PM
It is! I had no idea woodwinds used to be notated in the middle of a score like that. Not sure what the seating was in those days, but if it hasn't changed much, then this would reflect seating quite well. Or was there some other reason?


Do you know, I'm not sure exactly what was going on, it has always seemed quite a logical arrangement to me, one that groups instruments by their most frequent function (i.e. melodic, harmonic, impact-giving, bass line) as well as by their family. But I really don't know the details of how it emerged and how it subsided, and whether anyone has really studied it.
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 03:24:05 PM
I can see how this can easily get out of hand, so I'm doing an index to mine quickly. Because I'm getting confused!

As Luke noted, most of these are paired because of some similarity or what I perceived as a similarity - but as far as I know, none of the similarities were intended by the composers (I may be wrong, of course). The only exception being 144 - it is likely that the composer was doing that on purpose, because he was very fond of Tchaikovsky.

141 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832812.html#msg832812) Ravel's Tombeau de Couperin, II. Forlane (guess by EigenUser)
142 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832812.html#msg832812) ?? can't think of a good hint... hm, large score, turn of the century, performed often, one of the most popular things by this composer, a full performance usually takes around 2 hours (well, that's how much it would take if it was performed in one go, which it isn't, but whatever); more: major work in this genre and one of the most popular; should become more obvious once 147 is guessed
143 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832813.html#msg832813) Tchaik's 1st PC (guessed by Luke)
144 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832813.html#msg832813) ?? as noted above, the similarity to Tchaikovsky may be a sort of emulative homage; it's a concerto, if you haven't noticed (but I'm sure you have); more: composer died young (only a little older than Schubert) in a tragic accident
145 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832814.html#msg832814) Mozart Don Giovanni (guessed by Luke)
146 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832814.html#msg832814) this is a concerto too Saint-Saens PC2 (guessed by Luke)
147 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832815.html#msg832815) ?? well, it isn't Verdi, but that's the right direction; more: this little motive returns several times (though not as an exact repetition) in the work
148 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832815.html#msg832815) Saint Saens Danse Macabre (guessed by Luke)
149 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832816.html#msg832816) Charlie Brown's Kite from You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown, words and music by Clark Gesner (guessed by Luke)
150 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832816.html#msg832816) Nina Simone's My Baby Just Cares For Me [lyrics by Gus Kahn, original song by Walter Donaldson] (guessed by Luke)
151 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832817.html#msg832817) comparatively obscure, I guess, though I've found three different recordings on Spotify; listening to this, I kept hearing bits and pieces of specific works by other composers: a bit by Prokofiev, a bit by Debussy, etc.; and also, in a different way, this composer has something in common with Ravel Erkki Melartin's Fantasia apocaliptica [Piano Sonata No.1] (guessed by amw)
152 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832817.html#msg832817) Szymanowski Violin Concerto no. 1 (guessed by Luke)
153 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832818.html#msg832818) TOMASZ Sikorski - Widok z okna ogladany w roztargnieniu/Zerstreutes Hinausschauen (guessed by Luke)
154 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832818.html#msg832818) ?? don't know how to give a hint to this; I'd just point out the tempo (it would be easy to miss it and imagine this played much faster) and, in case you were wondering ;), it's by a Polish composer; more: one of John Tilbury's recent albums is dedicated to this composer
155 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832820.html#msg832820) Tomasz Sikorski Adventures of Sindbad the Sailor (guessed by Luke)
156 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832820.html#msg832820) Tomasz Sikorski Music from Afar (guessed by Luke)
157 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832822.html#msg832822) Tomasz Sikorski Pejzaz zimowy/Paesaggio d'inverno/Winter landscape (guessed by Luke)
158 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832822.html#msg832822) Tomasz Sikorski Diaphony (guessed by Luke)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 03:01:09 PM
Do you know, I'm not sure exactly what was going on, it has always seemed quite a logical arrangement to me, one that groups instruments by their most frequent function (i.e. melodic, harmonic, impact-giving, bass line) as well as by their family. But I really don't know the details of how it emerged and how it subsided, and whether anyone has really studied it.

That's very interesting, I didn't notice the "functional" aspect!
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Post by: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
492/10 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827928.html#msg827928) - Mega obscure (though it is recorded on Naxos), this comes from a large collection of harpsichord pieces grouped by key. This one is pretty extraordinary in sound, and worth a listen.

That took a while to identify, but here it is:
Gaspard Le Roux - Pièces de clavessin
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Post by: Luke on September 22, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
Blimey, wasn't expecting that one to go without more clues (and I wasn't really sure what clues I could give, either, so thanks!)
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Post by: EigenUser on September 23, 2014, 02:06:53 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 04:06:23 PM
Set by EigenUser
9 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
18 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg829759.html#msg829759)
20 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
21 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
22 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
Some clues:
9. I must say that I am surprised that no one has found this one yet! It is a great little piece by one of the major-est of major 20C composers.
18. Hint already given.
20. The title is a bit weird. Some sort of futuristic-alien sounding language.
21. Another major 20C composer. The work has a simplistic title more reminiscent of Feldman.
22. In one section the composer asks the soloist to play "like a muted jazz trumpet". The instrument is not a muted jazz trumpet, though! In another section, he pays tribute to a legendary musician with an annotation "Here's to you, Satchmo!"
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Post by: Karl Henning on September 23, 2014, 03:28:15 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 01:26:18 PM
Bugger, slow internet and I missed that one!

Tchaik's 1st PC is in there too. I haven't looked properly yet, they were the two low-hanging fruit I saw immediately.

143, aye.
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Post by: Karl Henning on September 23, 2014, 03:48:21 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 23, 2014, 02:06:53 AM
Some clues:
9. I must say that I am surprised that no one has found this one yet!

FWIW, I cannot see your images here in the office.
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Post by: Cato on September 23, 2014, 04:00:13 AM
Sikorski! Another composer unknown to me: add him to the list!

I will only need a few hundred thousand dollars to investigate all of these composers!   8)
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Post by: listener on September 23, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
9=  RAVEL   Bolero?   
edit: No,  didn't count the beats   Bolero is in 3
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 23, 2014, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: listener on September 23, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
9=  RAVEL   Bolero?

I think that could be Stravinsky's Circus Polka.
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Post by: Luke on September 23, 2014, 10:04:32 PM
Funny, I thought the same thing, but I don't think it is (unless the orchestral score doesn't resemble the 2 piano score I checked with in the slightest)
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Post by: Maciek on September 24, 2014, 04:42:55 AM
I think it's Scherzo a la Russe. Well, I'm almost certain (the horns!).
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Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 24, 2014, 06:35:31 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 24, 2014, 04:42:55 AM
I think it's Scherzo a la Russe. Well, I'm almost certain (the horns!).

I think you're right. Well, I'm almost certain.
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Post by: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 07:15:26 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 24, 2014, 04:42:55 AM
I think it's Scherzo a la Russe. Well, I'm almost certain (the horns!).

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 24, 2014, 06:35:31 AM
I think you're right. Well, I'm almost certain.

Yeah! I played this piece in orchestra a few years ago and I've loved it since.
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Post by: Karl Henning on September 24, 2014, 07:17:16 AM
It's great fun!

You played the "straight orchestral" scoring?
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Post by: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 07:32:32 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 24, 2014, 07:17:16 AM
It's great fun!

You played the "straight orchestral" scoring?
Yeah, not the original jazz band one. I do like the orchestral one better. My stand partner thought that it was the most annoying thing ever composed (as much as I like it, I can see why someone might think that) and we would always argue about it! Good memories.

I also like how our conductor described the ending: "It doesn't resolve, and Stravinsky leaves you in mid-air!"
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Post by: Luke on September 24, 2014, 08:35:22 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 23, 2014, 02:06:53 AM
20. The title is a bit weird. Some sort of futuristic-alien sounding language.

When I saw that clue I immediately thought of one piece. And therefore I have a couple of guesses, though I think they are wrong - the handwriting is vaguely similar but not quite right, and the substance of the score is also close-ish but not really what I'd expect either, but even so, just in case: is it either Uaxuctum or Konx-Om-Pax by Scelsi? As I say, I would be very surprised if it was, but it's worth a punt!
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Post by: Luke on September 24, 2014, 08:40:28 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 23, 2014, 02:06:53 AM

22. In one section the composer asks the soloist to play "like a muted jazz trumpet". The instrument is not a muted jazz trumpet, though! In another section, he pays tribute to a legendary musician with an annotation "Here's to you, Satchmo!"

I knew it was cello (as a cellist that's pretty obvious, from the bowings, harmonics and especially from the thumb position in the first bar and the tenor clef later on, which mean it can't be viola or violin); I also knew, I think, that you liked Ohana (a fine choice, if I may say so). But I didn't connect the two. But the clue helps - this must be Ohana's Cello Concerto 'In Dark and Blue'
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Post by: kishnevi on September 24, 2014, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 24, 2014, 08:35:22 AM
When I saw that clue I immediately thought of one piece. And therefore I have a couple of guesses, though I think they are wrong - the handwriting is vaguely similar but not quite right, and the substance of the score is also close-ish but not really what I'd expect either, but even so, just in case: is it either Uaxuctum or Konx-Om-Pax by Scelsi? As I say, I would be very surprised if it was, but it's worth a punt!

My first thought was Koyaanisqatsi  but I have no way of figuring it if that guess would be even half way correct.  Plus I had to look it up to know how to spell it before I could post.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 24, 2014, 09:04:07 AM
It's not Koyaanisqatsi - apart from stylistic attributes, that's a type-set score, and no wood blocks/temple blocks in it. Here's a sample page of the Glass for comparison:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: kishnevi on September 24, 2014, 09:12:12 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 24, 2014, 09:04:07 AM
It's not Koyaanisqatsi - apart from stylistic attributes, that's a type-set score, and no wood blocks/temple blocks in it. Here's a sample page of the Glass for comparison:

Well, I was just guessing via the name. 
You know, I hate to say this, but even on paper that music looks boring......
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: kishnevi on September 24, 2014, 09:17:30 AM
Re:  Nate/EigenUser's #20   
The violas are labeled with an "A" [pour alto] which suggests a French, or at least Francophone, composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 24, 2014, 09:19:48 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey SmithWell, I was just guessing via the name. 
You know, I hate to say this, but even on paper that music looks boring.....

;D

When I (attempt to) teach my students about minimalism, Koyaanisqatsi is always what wins them over - I tell them: here's a film with no characters, no plot, no dialogue....enjoy! Then I see their faces fall...and then their jaws drop as they watch it. This is the scene that they love most, and it's also the one from which the above page comes:

http://www.youtube.com/v/nq_SpRBXRmE

(if you really are worried about boredom watch from about 4 minutes in)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 24, 2014, 07:17:16 AM
It's great fun!

You played the "straight orchestral" scoring?
Also, I have Stravinsky's arrangement for two pianos, which my friend and I occasionally play just for fun.

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on September 24, 2014, 09:12:12 AM
Well, I was just guessing via the name. 
You know, I hate to say this, but even on paper that music looks boring......
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Quote from: Luke on September 24, 2014, 08:35:22 AM
When I saw that clue I immediately thought of one piece. And therefore I have a couple of guesses, though I think they are wrong - the handwriting is vaguely similar but not quite right, and the substance of the score is also close-ish but not really what I'd expect either, but even so, just in case: is it either Uaxuctum or Konx-Om-Pax by Scelsi? As I say, I would be very surprised if it was, but it's worth a punt!
Nope. You're thinking too hard!

Quote from: Luke on September 24, 2014, 08:40:28 AM
I knew it was cello (as a cellist that's pretty obvious, from the bowings, harmonics and especially from the thumb position in the first bar and the tenor clef later on, which mean it can't be viola or violin); I also knew, I think, that you liked Ohana (a fine choice, if I may say so). But I didn't connect the two. But the clue helps - this must be Ohana's Cello Concerto 'In Dark and Blue'
Yes, indeed! I got the cello/piano reduction on interlibrary loan, but I think I'll end up buying my own copy. My favorite cello concerto ever, actually. I've been playing the piano part and also I've been trying to play the cello part my viola. I think I'll transcribe it to make it easier to read (so I don't have to think about jumping around octaves while I'm playing). A lot of fun to play.

I don't understand the reason for the obscurity of this work. I mean, I'm not trying to claim that it is an absolute masterpiece (whatever one might interpret that to mean), but it really has a lot of attractive qualities. So does the piano concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 24, 2014, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on September 24, 2014, 09:17:30 AM
Re:  Nate/EigenUser's #20   
The violas are labeled with an "A" [pour alto] which suggests a French, or at least Francophone, composer

Yeah, I saw that, and Scelsi uses Viole, which is another of the reasons I don't think it's him. He also capitalises in a way this score doesn't, and his handwriting is tidier (I say Scelsi, I mean: the person who handwrote Scelsi's scores, which probably wasn't him anyway,seeing as he had little men to do that sort of thing for him)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 24, 2014, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 09:22:16 AM
Nope. You're thinking too hard!

Alternatively, and closer to the truth, I'm not thinking at all...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 03:11:05 PM
DO NOT GUESS THIS! unless you are Ken! He has been wanting to guess this piece for a while. It is one of his favorites. I'm sure everyone here knows it (even I would get it!).

23.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qzhqvazfloxw61r/Photo%20Sep%2024%2C%207%2003%2019%20PM.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Ken B on September 24, 2014, 03:39:23 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 03:11:05 PM
DO NOT GUESS THIS! unless you are Ken! He has been wanting to guess this piece for a while. It is one of his favorites. I'm sure everyone here knows it (even I would get it!).

23.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qzhqvazfloxw61r/Photo%20Sep%2024%2C%207%2003%2019%20PM.jpg)
Alas I do not read music. Is that assonata across the top? That would suggest La Mer ....
;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: Ken B on September 24, 2014, 03:39:23 PM
Alas I do not read music. Is that assonata across the top? That would suggest La Mer ....
;)
Okay, I'll give you a hint. You've already guessed it twice for things that weren't pictures of music that I posted. An infamous piece.

Also, note the divisions of three of the staff groups on each page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Ken B on September 24, 2014, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 04:17:19 PM
Okay, I'll give you a hint. You've already guessed it twice for things that weren't pictures of music that I posted. An infamous piece.

Also, note the divisions of three of the staff groups on each page.
Gruppen.

I hope you washed afterwards.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 24, 2014, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: Ken B on September 24, 2014, 04:24:45 PM
Gruppen.

I hope you washed afterwards.
:laugh:

The score is particularly difficult to follow when listening since my eyes want to automatically go to the next "group" instead of the next page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 11:48:40 AM
Some more (the last one probably too easy, indeed, this particular piece has probably been on here before)..
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 11:51:37 AM
more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 11:51:51 AM
another...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 11:55:39 AM
The following seven are by just two composers, and some should be very obvious. Others a bit less so...

first three
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
no relation between these two composers btw - just the way it fell out...

some more
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 11:57:53 AM
last two...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 25, 2014, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 25, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
no relation between these two composers btw - just the way it fell out...

some more

50 looks like a John Williams film score, I think Superman.
And 47 is Williams's Olympics theme.

Where do you find these things?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 12:21:28 PM
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's (poco) Sforzando-man!  :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 12:21:46 PM
(that's a yes)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 25, 2014, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 25, 2014, 12:21:28 PM
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's (poco) Sforzando-man!  :o

We x-posted. I also answered 47.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 12:32:44 PM
Both correct, then. And as to where, I'm not sure really, I just pick things up here and there. I have an avid curiosity to see all sorts of things in score form - the obscure, the weird, the amazing, the beautiful, the iconic, and also... well, I like to see the the ones everyone knows but which are never seen as a score, which is nevertheless of course their true form, the one in which they first saw light of day. That's we reason seeing these Williams scores is a bit fun, for me* There's another one in the my newest ones which EVERYONE will know inside out, but which most of us have probably never seen as a score. Listen to them internally, you'll spot it...


*Oddly, I have quite a few more of his things, somehow, but I thought enough was enough - you don't need to see the Jaws theme, or Indiana Jones, or JFK, or Jurrasic Park, or Private Ryan, or ET, or Star Wars, or Harry Potter, or....; there is one more here, however, and I have a couple of more obscure ones which I might put up one day.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 25, 2014, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 25, 2014, 12:32:44 PM
That's we reason seeing these Williams scores is a bit fun, for me* There's another one in the my newest ones which EVERYONE will know inside out, but which most of us have probably never seen as a score. Listen to them internally, you'll spot it...

Ah, yes. Your 45 is the 20th-Century Fox fanfare, written by Alfred Newman. Can you post the whole thing for us?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 01:53:31 PM
Here you are. As you can see, it comes as the first two pages of a symphonic-trip-round-Star-Wars confection...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 25, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
What about 46? Isn't that Close encounters? Or has someone already said it? It's easy to get lost in these repartee sessions. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 25, 2014, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 25, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
What about 46? Isn't that Close encounters? Or has someone already said it? It's easy to get lost in these repartee sessions. ;D

It sure it, but I bet you're right. Very slow tempo.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 25, 2014, 03:58:16 PM
44 is Tan Dun's Elegy: Snow in June
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 25, 2014, 09:44:05 PM
Dun. Duh.

Well Dun, in fact

8) 8)

Both correct, of course. All the Williams ones found now, I think. Who is the other guy (I mean from those last seven, in which there were only two composers, and Williams was one.) Some/most/all of you will know or know of at least one of these pieces, and some of you played it too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 26, 2014, 02:10:46 AM
Duh? Duh?! Oh, why do I even bother...

I've added clues, (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832877.html#msg832877) by the way.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 26, 2014, 01:35:11 PM
Maciek 146 is the Saint-Saens PC2 after all! I thought it might be, there aren't that many French Romantic PCs in G minor or with G minor movements that I can easily think of, this is the obvious one, and the first movement is an Andante Sostenuto. But I knew it didn't start like this, and this looked like a beginning, so I didn't even check. No matter, now I have, and it is the one - this is the orchestral entry after the opening piano solo.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 26, 2014, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 26, 2014, 02:10:46 AM
Duh? Duh?! Oh, why do I even bother...

The Duh wasn't directed at you. It was just a general expostulation meaning  :blank:  :blank:  'so many scores, my brain aches...'  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 26, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Oh, OK. For me, the Dun wasn't all that easy. But ultimately discoverable (is that a word? ah, yes, it's in the dictionary at least...).

And yes, you're right - it's the Saint-Saens!

*cheering*
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 26, 2014, 02:53:30 PM
I'm not sure how you identified it, but for my part I tried to chose the page of the Dun which had the most clues - the explicitly Chinese instruments, the ripping paper, and of course, the cello+percussion scoring to help identify the piece itself once the composer had been guessed at.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 27, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
Here's another one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 11:47:36 AM
That looks like Cheating, Lying, Stealing by David Lang (interesting composer, he)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
Back atcha  ;) - same composer (aren't I kind to save you the effort?), what's the piece:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 27, 2014, 12:42:08 PM
Didn't expect mine to stay up long. ;D

I see his GMG thread is exactly one post long. :o

As to yours... I'm stumped. I thought it could be from Are you experienced? but can't find anything exactly like that (unless I missed it?). I'm thinking Music For Gracious Living maybe?, but it's just a guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 27, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
That was silly of me - not to look at the music. (And a bit typical of how I sometimes approach this stuff... ::) ) It's his arrangement of Born to be wild.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
It certainly is! Do you know any Lang? I think he's quite impressive, myself.

Here's another (not David Lang this time, clearly, but a composer I find very interesting)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
...and here's another, which is by a composer whose work I already have as one of my unguessed ones. In fact, that work shares something very obvious with this one, and that fact might help identify either or both of them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 27, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 27, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
Do you know any Lang? I think he's quite impressive, myself.

Well, my first encounter was Cheating, lying, stealing when Bang on a can came to Warsaw Autumn in... whatever year the "American" Warsaw Autumn was. I'm guessing 2000, 2001 or whereabouts? I didn't go to that concert (I think I had a cold or something) but listened to it on the radio and was really impressed. And so that piece is, for me, somehow, the epitome of a certain brand of American contemporary music that I didn't know until then (and I mean that in a very good way, I'm NOT typing it with a haughty ironic smirk). And I guess I've heard more of his music, but having browsed through his site today, I realize that there's still a lot of very interesting stuff to be discovered. The little bits of Are you experienced that I've just sampled were also quite enticing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:22:06 PM
Here's one I had but forgot to post - that's why it has an 'old' number, 39. I'm compiling an up-to-date list at the moment, this will appear in it in the correct place! But - an extra clue - it goes well with the 'next' one, my number 40, previously posted.

EDIT - no, I'm wrong, I did put up my 39, further back than I thought. So will renumber this one 56, and put it into the list like that. Sorry!   :-[ Still, compare it to my number 40...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:37:10 PM
UPDATED LIST:

Set by EigenUser
1 - Ligeti - Clocks and Clouds - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882)
2 - Bartok - Piano concerto 1 - amw (I think this is a PC, I can't see the pic any more, and amw just says Bartok 1, could be an SQ I suppose...) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882)
3 - Gershwin - Cuban Overture - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882)
4 - Biber - Mystery Sonata XI - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767882.html#msg767882) (I may have these two the wrong way round)
also another in here somewhere, I casn't work them out now the pics are gone - but it was Hermann - Psycho - Maciek
5 - Ravel - Un barque sur l'ocean - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
6 - Debussy - Jeux - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
7 - Ives - Central Park in the Dark - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
8 - Stravinsky - Agon - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
9 - Stravinsky - Scherzo a la Russe - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775409.html#msg775409)
10 - Schoenberg - op 16 in chamber arr - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827844.html#msg827844)
11 - Messiaen - Des Canyons - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
12 - Schoenberg - Piano Concerto - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
13 - Ohana - Piano Concerto - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
14 - Mackey - Ars Moriendi - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
15 - Milhaud - Suite en sol - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828224.html#msg828224)
16 - Schoenberg op 9 in pno arr - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828365.html#msg828365)
17 - Debussy - Sirenes in pno arr - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828365.html#msg828365)
18 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg829759.html#msg829759)
19 - Ligeti - Nouvelles Aventures - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg829759.html#msg829759)
20 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
21 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
22 - Ohana - Cello Concerto 'In Dark and Blue' - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832223.html#msg832223)
24 - tentatively identified as Boulez - Notations - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg834549.html#msg834549)

Set by amw
1 - Rorem - Piano concerto for the Left Hand - lescamil (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767707.html#msg767707)
2 - Ades -Asyla - lescamil (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767707.html#msg767707)
3 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767707.html#msg767707)
4 - Grieg - Slatter - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767888.html#msg767888)
5 - Janacek - Riklada - revealed by amw (and yes, amw, as you guess, I would have got it!) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg767888.html#msg767888)
6 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775416.html#msg775416)
7 - Grisey - Quatre Chants pour franchir le Seuil - Rappy (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg775416.html#msg775416)
8 - Berio - Visage - revealed by amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg776107.html#msg776107)
9 - Debussy - Etude (pour les sonorites opposees) - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg776107.html#msg776107)
10 - Dutilleux - ainsi la nuit - EigenUser (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
11 - Lachenmann - Tanzsuite mit Deutschlandlied - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
12 - Sorabji - Opus Clavicembalisticum - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
13 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)
14 - van Dieren - String Quartet no 2 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827979.html#msg827979)

Set by Luke
483/1 - Falla - Psyche - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
484/2 - Stravinksy - Chorale from Tombeau de Debussy - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
485/3 - Froberger - Lamentation/Ferdinand III - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
486/4 - Dussek - Sorrows of Marie Antoinette - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827926.html#msg827926)
487/5 - Chisholm - Piobaireachd - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
488/6 - de la Rue - Requiem - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
489/7 - Ravel - Menuet (posth) - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
490/8 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827927.html#msg827927)
491/9 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827928.html#msg827928)
492/10 - Gaspard Le Roux - Pièces de clavessin - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827928.html#msg827928)
493/11 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929)
494/12 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929)
495/13 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827929.html#msg827929)
496/14 - Niemann - Hamburg - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930)
497/15 - Niemann - Phantisien im Bremer Ratskeller - revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg827930.html#msg827930)
498/16 - Schulhoff - Duo - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828424.html#msg828424)
499/17 - Veress - String Trio - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828424.html#msg828424)
500/18 - Schikele - The Short-Tempered Clavier - composer guessed by amw, piece revealed by Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525)
501/19 - Berberian - Stripsody - Dax (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525)
502/20 -  Swann - The Road Goes Ever On - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828525.html#msg828525)
503/21 - And the same to you - Dudley Moore - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828948.html#msg828948)
504/22 - Wallfisch -- Chopin's Waterloo - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828948.html#msg828948)
505/23 - Davies - The Matrix Soundtrack - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828950.html#msg828950)
506/24 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828950.html#msg828950)
507/25 - Delage - Ragmalika - revealed by Luke after he messed up and left the piece identified in his clues  :-[  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg828951.html#msg828951)
508/26 - Messiaen - Cinq Rechants - lescamil (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg830904.html#msg830904)
509/27 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423)
510/28 - Maxwell Davies - ? - amw got the composer (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423)
511/29 - Pfitzner - Palestrina - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423)
512/30 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831424.html#msg831424)
513/31 - Stephan - Music for Orchestra - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831424.html#msg831424)
514/32 - Wayne - War of the Worlds - Maciek  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831425.html#msg831425)
515/33 - Debussy - Pierrot - Maciek with honourable mention to mc ukrneal (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831654.html#msg831654)
516/34 - Adams - Johns Book of Alleged Dances - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831654.html#msg831654)
517/35 - Berg - Chamber Concerto in Clarinet/Violin/Pno arr by Berg - amw/Karl (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831655.html#msg831655)
518/36 - Berio - Cries of London - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831655.html#msg831655)
519/37 - Boulez - Messagesquisse - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831657.html#msg831657)
520/38 - Britten - The Little Sweep - listener -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831657.html#msg831657)
521/39 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832205.html#msg832205)
522/40 - Chopin - Variations for Flute/Piano - listener (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833872.html#msg833872)
523/41 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833872.html#msg833872)
524/42 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833872.html#msg833872)
525/43 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833874.html#msg833874)
526/44 - Dun - Snow in June - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833874.html#msg833874)
537/45 - Newman - 20th Century Fox Fanfare - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833875.html#msg833875)
538/46 - Williams Close Encounters Suite - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833877.html#msg833877)
539/47 - Williams - Olympic Fanfare - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833877.html#msg833877)
540/48 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833877.html#msg833877)
541/49 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833878.html#msg833878)
542/50 - Williams - Superman March - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833878.html#msg833878)
543/51 - Rzewski - TBUWNBD - amw (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833879.html#msg833879)
544/52 - Rzewski - Rubinstein in Berlin - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg833879.html#msg833879)
545/53 - Lang (arr) - Born To Be Wild - Maciek (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg834377.html#msg834377)
546/54 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg834392.html#msg834392)
547/55 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg834393.html#msg834393)
548/56 - Chopin - Fugue - Sfz (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg834403.html#msg834403)

Set by Maciek
141 - Ravel - Le Tombeau de Couperin - EigenUser (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832812.html#msg832812)
142 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832812.html#msg832812)
143 - Tchaikovsky - PC 1 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832813.html#msg832813)
144 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832813.html#msg832813)
145 - Mozart - Don Giovanni - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832814.html#msg832814)
146 - Saint-Saens - PC2 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832814.html#msg832814)
147 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832815.html#msg832815)
148 - Saint-Saens - Danse Macabre - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832815.html#msg832815)
149 - Gessner - Charlie Brown's Kite - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832816.html#msg832816)
150 - Kahn/Donaldson - My Baby Just Cares For Me - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832816.html#msg832816)
151 - ? -  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832817.html#msg832817)
152 - Szymanowksi - VC1 - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832817.html#msg832817)
153 - Sikorski - Zerstreutes Hinausschauen - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832818.html#msg832818)
154 - ?-  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832818.html#msg832818)
155 - Sikorski - Adventures of Sindbad the Sailor - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832820.html#msg832820)
156 - Sikorski - Music from Afar - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832820.html#msg832820)
157 - Sikorski - Pejzaz zimowy - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832822.html#msg832822)
158 - Sikorski - Diaphony - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832822.html#msg832822)
159 - Lang - Cheating, Lying, Stealing - Luke (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg834373.html#msg834373)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 27, 2014, 01:39:02 PM
543/51 is from Rzewski's The People United Shall Never Be Defeated! I think
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:40:36 PM
It is! I love that 'plucking fruit' image! Which means the other non-Williams one in that set of 7 are all by Rzewski...get guessing!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 27, 2014, 01:42:47 PM
Eh, left the "Rubinstein in Berlin" score open, but went to feed the cat, and see now that amw also noticed it was Rzewski. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 27, 2014, 01:44:30 PM
Rubinstein is no. 52, of course, but I have to run now, so I'll leave the others to others.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:49:38 PM
It is...and, in passing, I note that interesting edition of the Chopin he draws on, or at least which is different from the ones I know (Maciek, you will probably know it, however), and has very interesting use of simultaneous time signatures that I don't recall elsewhere in Chopin OTTOMH.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: kishnevi on September 27, 2014, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 27, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
It certainly is! Do you know any Lang? I think he's quite impressive, myself.

Here's another (not David Lang this time, clearly, but a composer I find very interesting)
Re 54
Is it by Takemitsu? 
At any rate the line of poetry is from Richard Barnfield. 
(This I know
Because Google told me so.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 27, 2014, 02:12:47 PM
Not Takemitsu, but clearly Japanese, and quite an important figure in the history of modern music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 27, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
Luke 2:40    (Book has only 20 verses...!)
CHOPIN: Variations on Non più mesta (Rossini) for flute and guitar
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 28, 2014, 01:45:46 AM
Yes, you can have that, though this version, at least, is for flute and piano, and I can't find a reference to a flute and guitar version on my admittedly brief search just now... Well done, that's a tricky one gone.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 28, 2014, 02:10:49 AM
Hmm, I knew it was "that one Chopin piece with flute", but couldn't remember what it was on. Luckily someone got it before I embarrassed myself by asking if it was Trockne Blumen. (Which is Schubert of course.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 28, 2014, 02:25:21 AM
Quote from: listener on September 27, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
CHOPIN: Variations on Non più mesta (Rossini) for flute and guitar

There's a score published by Zimmermann with this 'arrangement'   I do have a Rampal/Veyron-Lacroix recording and should have checked the notes.  The guitar version sounds quite faithful to the original.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 28, 2014, 02:37:18 AM
I'm pretty sure that Luke's 42 is Crumb. The only works of his that I know are Star Child, Makrokosmos, Ancient Voices of Children, and Black Angels. It obviously isn't Mikrokosmos or Black Angels, but maybe one of the other two? Or something of his that I don't know? Or someone else altogether?

24. Here's a good one, I think. Sorry -- the score is oversized so I couldn't manage to get a full page with a readable quality.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6snf5goir0d5hx3/Photo%20Sep%2028%2C%206%2030%2041%20AM.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 28, 2014, 04:14:37 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:22:06 PM
Here's one I had but forgot to post - that's why it has an 'old' number, 39. I'm compiling an up-to-date list at the moment, this will appear in it in the correct place! But - an extra clue - it goes well with the 'next' one, my number 40, previously posted.

EDIT - no, I'm wrong, I did put up my 39, further back than I thought. So will renumber this one 56, and put it into the list like that. Sorry!   :-[ Still, compare it to my number 40...

Was this identified? I think it is the early two-voice fugue in A minor by Chopin.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 28, 2014, 05:57:58 AM
Sfz is right on the Chopin; EigenUser, you are right with:

Quote from: EigenUser on September 28, 2014, 02:37:18 AM
I'm pretty sure that Luke's 42 is Crumb

but it isn't one of the ones you mentioned. Your new one is Boulez, Notations no 2, I think.

:)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 28, 2014, 06:17:57 AM
My other guess is Echoes of Time and the River, after doing some research.

Quote from: Luke on September 28, 2014, 05:57:58 AM
Your new one is Boulez, Notations no 2, I think.

:)
Yup! I love the Notations. I think that they have so much personality in them. The 2nd one in its orchestral reincarnation is wild -- like a serialist Short Ride in a Fast Machine.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ibanezmonster on September 28, 2014, 07:41:50 AM
Here's a few scores that even your pets will be able to identify.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 28, 2014, 08:15:23 AM
Echoes of Time and the River is correct, well done!

Greg, the second one is your op 9, Hyouka, so I'm guessing the others are by you too.

But FWIW none of my pets recognised them. In fact, the two cats just walked off, the puppy tried to bite me when I made her look, and the older dog, the normally placid, gentle labrador.... well, the picture tells the story....

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ibanezmonster on September 28, 2014, 08:59:01 AM
Correct!...

(felt like trolling a bit with these)  :D

Here's a hint on the other two- first is an obvious observation: it's an orchestral score. Third one: also orchestral, but originally sketched by a famous composer.

Hmmm, I think your pets did indeed recognize the score was mine, but we have had disagreements about musical philosophy and such in the past, so my music sort of irritates them. They think for some reason that I should write a barking concerto (or a meow concerto) and I strongly disagreed.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 28, 2014, 09:40:16 AM
You know what he was saying when I took that photo?


'GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREG!'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 28, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
Quote from: Greg on September 28, 2014, 08:59:01 AM
Correct!...

(felt like trolling a bit with these)  :D

Here's a hint on the other two- first is an obvious observation: it's an orchestral score. Third one: also orchestral, but originally sketched by a famous composer.

Hmmm, I think your pets did indeed recognize the score was mine, but we have had disagreements about musical philosophy and such in the past, so my music sort of irritates them. They think for some reason that I should write a barking concerto (or a meow concerto) and I strongly disagreed.
or...
http://www.youtube.com/v/zeoT66v4EHg
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2014, 07:20:20 AM
No one seems to have picked the Rzewskis yet?

48 Happy birthday
49 Requiem
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2014, 07:22:21 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 28, 2014, 04:14:37 AM
Was this identified? I think it is the early two-voice fugue in A minor by Chopin.

Whoa! Had no idea anything like that existed! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 27, 2014, 01:49:38 PM
It is...and, in passing, I note that interesting edition of the Chopin he draws on, or at least which is different from the ones I know (Maciek, you will probably know it, however), and has very interesting use of simultaneous time signatures that I don't recall elsewhere in Chopin OTTOMH.

Well, this one is in the "Minor works" volume of the Paderewski edition, which I don't have. So I can't check against that one. I do have it as part of a "Chopin - Album per pianoforte" volume - and that seems to be taken from the Paderewski edition anyway, though I think it is re-set and slightly edited (I can see minor differences in another nocturne I checked). Anyway, in the edition I have there are no simultaneous time signatures. Another thing about Rzewski's edition: in the last bar of the fourth line (page 1) Rzewski has a whole note, whereas I have half + quarter note (tied*), and a rest.

So I'm wondering whether Rzewski's is a "real" edition, or whether perhaps he set it himself or have it set for the purpose of using in this specific piece (notice how the last bar on the second page is written in by hand, and again: it is a whole note where Chopin - in "my" edition - only had a half note, and a quarter rest, and a quarter note that starts the next phrase*).

* - Is that the correct way to put it (English or otherwise ;D)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Maciek on September 29, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
Well, this one is in the "Minor works" volume of the Paderewski edition, which I don't have.

I just noticed: the fugue is also in that volume (and not collected in the "Album per pianoforte"), which explains why I wasn't aware of its existence. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 29, 2014, 10:25:29 AM
I'd have thought that Rzewski was working from an existing edition, otherwise why is it type-set at all? Unless for aesthetic reasons (e.g. the type-set music is that which Rubinstein plays, the handwritten is that which he 'lives') but that seems doubtful to me, looking at much of the rest of his music (it's mostly up in IMSLP). I'd assumed that, this being one of Chopin's op posth pieces, it must be around in a number of variants (even his acknowledged opp are available in various forms, often) and that this was one I hadn't seen, quite an extreme one, too.

I was talking about Walter Niemann earlier (Maciek got a couple of my scores, which were by him). One of the things that surprised me discovering his music recently was the barefaced plagiarism to be found in some of his music. (Or is it just paying homage?) Today I made a quick side-by-side selection for your delectation:



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on September 29, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
Quote from: Luke on September 29, 2014, 10:25:29 AM
(e.g. the type-set music is that which Rubinstein plays, the handwritten is that which he 'lives')

That's what I would have thought (there's no speaking over the Chopin). But ultimately, I think you're right. Because on p. 15 he has clearly deleted the last bar. If the score was specially set for the occasion, I guess he wouldn't have left that empty space. (And it looks like the lines of the staff on p. 2 could have actually been done by hand - though with a ruler, I'm guessing. ;D)

(A nice advantage of the Paderewski volumes is that they have notes at the end, containing details about the differences between what is printed in a given volume and [selected?] other editions.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ibanezmonster on September 29, 2014, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 28, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
or...
http://www.youtube.com/v/zeoT66v4EHg
What would be even funnier is listening to it without knowing that cats were playing and then wondering if the pianist had been drinking too much vodka...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 29, 2014, 08:04:49 PM
39 & 55 - I assume those two are the same composer. Wouldn't be Kapustin would it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 30, 2014, 09:37:15 AM
No, they are by different composers, and neither is Kapustin. But some clues on them:

both are by composer-pianists;
55 is by the composer of another of my unguessed ones, as I already said. Both of these works are based on very, very, very well-known pieces.
39 is also based on a very, very, very well-known piece, but not classical
both works are experimenting with non-classical styles
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on September 30, 2014, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: Luke on September 30, 2014, 09:37:15 AM
both are by composer-pianists;
55 is by the composer of another of my unguessed ones, as I already said. Both of these works are based on very, very, very well-known pieces.
That doesn't narrow it down very much. According to Wikipedia, about 50 composers have written variations to Paganini's 24th Caprice, and I'm sure it doesn't know all of them either. >.>

I think it's Fazıl Say's Paganini Jazz though. I don't think 30 is its related piece Alla Turca Jazz as that seems to depart further from Mozart sooner (from the recording I heard—Say Plays Say just added to Qobuz yesterday), unless he's just improvising them on the spot so they're different each time anyway. His other one might be 8 perhaps.

You said 8 was an homage to 9... I don't know if 9 has been guessed yet, it's Rachmaninov's Margaritki Op. 38 no. 3 (arranged by the composer).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on September 30, 2014, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: amw on September 30, 2014, 12:09:45 PM
That doesn't narrow it down very much. According to Wikipedia, about 50 composers have written variations to Paganini's 24th Caprice, and I'm sure it doesn't know all of them either. >.>

I think it's Fazıl Say's Paganini Jazz though. I don't think 30 is its related piece Alla Turca Jazz as that seems to depart further from Mozart sooner (from the recording I heard—Say Plays Say just added to Qobuz yesterday), unless he's just improvising them on the spot so they're different each time anyway. His other one might be 8 perhaps.

You said 8 was an homage to 9... I don't know if 9 has been guessed yet, it's Rachmaninov's Margaritki Op. 38 no. 3 (arranged by the composer).

All of those correct, including the Alla Turca piece.  ;D Excellent!

The Rachmaninov is a gorgeous piece - I love Gilels' way with it, myself:

http://www.youtube.com/v/QAcHCkiHhdE

Rachmaninov's own arrangements of his songs are beautiful, but I don't think he did enough. OTOH Earl Wild's are also exquisite and OOTOMH I think there are 19 of them. As someone wrote somewhere, having Wild's arrangements is like having a whole new set of Rachmaninov Preludes, with the qualifier that the songs are all so lyrical and blooming, whereas some of the strictly-piano pieces are much harder-edged. I actually play through those Wild pieces as often as the straight Preludes, perhaps even more so. This is a particularly good one, played by Wild himself, though my favourite, I think, is The Muse:

http://www.youtube.com/v/A8c8JqGSxwI
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 01, 2014, 12:23:24 AM
Do you know, I've never actually seen Emil Gilels before. He looks like the way Horowitz's piano playing sounds, if that makes any sense... not exactly what I expected.

I also didn't really listen to much Rachmaninov until about a month ago when a live performance of the Second Symphony reminded me that, hey, this guy exists, and he wrote stuff other than the Piano Concerto No. 2. Picked up Ronald Brautigam's recording of the Preludes secondhand and have been quite enjoying them when I'm in the mood for something similar to but less frustrating than early Skryabin. Should look for those Wild transcriptions as well.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 01, 2014, 12:26:15 AM
Maciek #151 - is that Erkki Melartin's Fantasia apocaliptica? Pretty interesting piece if you're into that whole impressionism/late romantic thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 01, 2014, 12:40:24 AM
First of three new ones, can't get the computer to resize tonight
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 01, 2014, 12:41:09 AM
the second
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 01, 2014, 12:43:42 AM
the third, and I'll go back and unearth the old unanswered ones and repost to save flipping around
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 01, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
A fun bit of old-style detective work - the second one is the Carillon movement by Rimsky-Korsakov from the collaborative work with Liadov, Borodin, Cui etc, 'Paraphrases,' based on Chopsticks. The orchestration by Arkady Leytush, I guess, though I will keep looking, just in case it isn't.... Lots of fun looking through the original piano+single stave piano score of this one, thank you!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 01, 2014, 09:27:15 AM
Yes, that's the one, I think:  Rimsky-Korsakov: Carillon, variation on "Tati-Tati", arr Leytush
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 01, 2014, 09:33:06 AM
Sorry, I meant the first one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 01, 2014, 09:58:56 AM
not quite, but consider that one done.   It's from the Belaieff edition, freely arranged and orchestrated by Nicolas Tcherepnine.  I thought the solo piano on the top stave might be a good entry point for finding this one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 01, 2014, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: listener on October 01, 2014, 12:43:42 AM
the third, and I'll go back and unearth the old unanswered ones and repost to save flipping around

This isn't any Brahms piano piece that I can identify, but whoever wrote it is a darned good imitator of his style.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 01, 2014, 10:23:19 AM
Exactly what I thought. Taneyev, perhaps?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 01, 2014, 10:25:05 AM
Quote from: listener on October 01, 2014, 09:58:56 AM
not quite, but consider that one done.   It's from the Belaieff edition, freely arranged and orchestrated by Nicolas Tcherepnine.  I thought the solo piano on the top stave might be a good entry point for finding this one.

Wow, there's another one? I listened to the Leytush (well, some of it) on youtube, it sounded just like the page you gave looked, if you see what I mean... I suppose another orchestration of a bell-bedecked Carillon would be likely to sound similar, though, tbh.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 01, 2014, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on October 01, 2014, 10:17:17 AM
This isn't any Brahms piano piece that I can identify, but whoever wrote it is a darned good imitator of his style.
very insightful, not Taneyev though.   The tune sounds familiar from someone else's arrangement  of something but this is not a reduction, and it has been recorded.


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 03, 2014, 05:01:18 PM
Sorry I've only got a minute.

Quote from: amw on October 01, 2014, 12:26:15 AM
Maciek #151 - is that Erkki Melartin's Fantasia apocaliptica? Pretty interesting piece if you're into that whole impressionism/late romantic thing.

Yes, it's the Melartin, and I agree it is very interesting, though I can't really say I like it (the hollow-sounding octaves put me off, probably?).

(The thing he had "in common" with Ravel are his birth and death years.)

I'm appending a new one below, extremely easy, but difficult to read (to make up for the easiness ;D). If anyone is interested, I can add further comments once it's guessed - I have done some research. But I'm fine either way - this was an entirely satisfying "assignment" in and of itself. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 03, 2014, 11:21:41 PM
Put me down as interested, and thanks for the research, for, if I'm not mistaken, that is Chopin's manuscript for that very C# minor Nocturne which I was wondering about above, w.r.t. the Rzewski piece which quotes it. And there, in what certainly looks like Chopin's handwriting, is that intriguing cross-rhythm I was interested in. Tell us more!  :)  :)  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on October 04, 2014, 02:10:14 AM
Quote from: Luke on October 03, 2014, 11:21:41 PM
Put me down as interested, and thanks for the research, for, if I'm not mistaken, that is Chopin's manuscript for that very C# minor Nocturne which I was wondering about above, w.r.t. the Rzewski piece which quotes it. And there, in what certainly looks like Chopin's handwriting, is that intriguing cross-rhythm I was interested in. Tell us more!  :)  :)  8)
Luke, may I ask how you know all of these scores?! Did you study music? Are you a professional musician?

I was surprised that you got the Boulez so quickly -- that score looks so complicated to me! Then again, that might be why you guessed it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 04, 2014, 04:07:13 AM
I have a lot of scores, and I've seen a lot more, and I've always been utterly fascinated with them. I suppose I'm able to spot the unusual features of a piece quite quickly sometimes, so I can often narrow down the possibilities.

With the Boulez, for instance, I knew straight away it was French (partly the language, partly the look); I was also pretty certain it was Boulez because the handwriting was similar to other scores of his I'd seen, and because he uses the conductor's notation that is in the score. I knew, stylistically, it was quite early; I knew it wasn't Soleil des Eaux or Visage Nuptiale (I have those scores), nor the Rituel or Pli Selon Pli (less likely, but I also have them, so I was sure). Notations was one of the only remaining options, and the huge size of the orchestra - 8 percussionists; Japanese blocks! - strongly suggested it. So I listened to the Notations and there it was..

With the Chopin - well, I know the piece well, I play it in concert, I instantly knew it was a Chopin piece (the handwriting is distinctive) and a slow movement in C# minor; I looked closer and there it was, pretty clearly the Nocturne; closer still and I saw the time signature feature I'd been discussing with Maciek...

As for my history, I've been obsessed with printed music from childhood; I compose and perform; I studied music at university; and I teach it for a living.  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2014, 12:14:49 PM
OK then, here goes. [This is a longish post. To make it easier for those who don't want to read all of it (but would still like to read some of it), the section containing what I imagine is the most important part is now in bold.]

I can't tell you which edition Rzewski was using but I can tell you a bit about the history of the piece. According to the notes to what I called the "Paderewski edition"... but here I have to stray off a bit: Technically, I really shouldn't be calling it that, since Paderewski did not live to see it complete - and that specifically includes the volume in question! No, it's actually the Bronarski-Paderewski-Turczynski edition! So, anyway, according to the notes in the Bronarski-Paderewski-Turczynski edition, there are three different autographs, one of which has those mysterious split meters (I was using a Russian edition, without a dictionary, so I may have misunderstood something, but I think I did get the general gist). This autograph was reproduced in a rather low quality (tiny) photograph in "Chopin w kraju" (1955) - a giant-sized volume of assorted materials whence the above scan comes.

The "Ekier Edition" (The National Edition) has the piece in two versions (in vol. 29 "Various compositions"), under the heading "Lento con gran espressione WN 37". A footnote explains that Chopin most likely did not call the piece a nocturne.

The first version ("from the earlier autograph") contains the 3 fascinating sections with the right hand playing 3/4 to the left hand's C. The third time ends with both hands switching to 3/4 for 12 bars, and then both hands back to C through to the end. What I find especially striking is that the first two instances of this have the right hand playing four bars to the left hand's two bars, but the third time the right hand plays five bars to the left hand's two and a half bars! (And then the left switches to 3/4.)

In the second version ("Version from a later autograph reconstructed from copies") there is a single bar with both hands playing 5/4 (the meter is in square brackets, so I suppose it was inserted by the editors), then they immediately both start playing 3/4, and after 11 bars both go back to C.

The Source Commentary lists only two autograph sources (hence the two versions of the piece given), so I suppose one of the 3 listed in the older (Bronarski-Paderewski-Turczynski) edition was an autograph copy (I did not compare the lists, sorry). The interpretation given here of the differences between the two versions is this: the first version is what Chopin noted "for himself" (in 1830, in Vienna - so there's an important element of psychological background, but you can check that in a Chopin biography, so please allow me to leave it at that). The second - is a version of the piece he prepared for his sister Ludwika, and the editors stipulate that the polymetric section would have been too difficult for her, so Chopin slightly simplified the piece. They say, by the way, that this is "a polymetre not encountered anywhere else in Chopin". They attribute the idea to rubato and the independence of each hand that rubato implies.

The editors actually offer a rather specific interpretation of the piece: the outer sections, they say, represent "the composer's nostalgia, (...) his profound sadness at parting from his family and friends"; the middle section, with the (polymetric) quotations, are "his acutely distinct recollections (...) of happiness and joy in their company". Whether this is or isn't going too far, I don't know. What do you think?

Whew, that was long... :laugh: Sorry if it's a bit jumbled...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 04, 2014, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: Luke on October 03, 2014, 11:21:41 PM
if I'm not mistaken, that is Chopin's manuscript for that very C# minor Nocturne which I was wondering about above, w.r.t. the Rzewski piece which quotes it. And there, in what certainly looks like Chopin's handwriting, is that intriguing cross-rhythm I was interested in. Tell us more!  :)  :)  8)

Yes, yes, of course, it is. Sorry, I should have started by saying that. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 08, 2014, 08:59:38 AM
My rambling seems to have silenced the thread a bit...? :laugh:

Here's another one. Probably much too easy, but I just couldn't make myself to cut it down to one or two bars.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 08, 2014, 09:00:04 AM
Ah, well, let's make it two while I'm at it. This one I'm pretty certain we've had before, though I don't remember if it was ever guessed (or whether it was the same page - almost certainly not).

There's a link between these two composers, and I think it can be seen on these pages a little bit? Or am I imagining things?

Also, I've updated my clues (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832877.html#msg832877), but... I'm not sure if what I've added is going make things any clearer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 08, 2014, 09:46:49 AM
Well the first is from Szymanowski's Second SQ, not sure on the second though...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 08, 2014, 09:53:53 AM
...and btw, that 'rambling' of yours was a) no such thing; b) deeply fascinating and c) much appreciated, and I'm sorry I didn't say so before. I love this deep nitty-gritty stuff, and your summing-up of the situation re the Chopin was very interesting.  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 08, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
Thank you, Luke. I could have been more succint and skipped the part about the earlier edition but maybe that's useful in some way too.

Anyway, you are right. Hopefully about the rambling and definitely about the Szymanowski quartet. I confess I used to listen to it with little enthusiasm. This has currently changed completely. I find it a fascinating and thrilling piece. An evening or two ago it became one of my favorite Szymanowski pieces over the course of one listen. Why was I deaf to its brilliance, to all its undeniable qualities earlier on? The thing I dislike about it currently is that it's too short! ;D

Well, let me add another one while I'm here. There are circles around some of the notes in the score - those are in pencil, they are not part of the score, sorry if that's confusing. (Never mind, I've replaced the page with another one from the same score - one that is more telling, or at least so I hope :) )
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 08, 2014, 09:34:34 PM
may be helpful...
another bit of the 572 set, and there'll be more of 573 on the weekend, format conversion is complicated but it was written for a birthday party, if that's any help.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 09, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
Here's a supplement to my 573 "Birthday Party" music
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 09, 2014, 11:19:20 PM
Well, the second of those is the big Chopin A flat Polonaise. The first looks like Scarlatti, but right this minute I haven't got time to trawl through all 555+ Sonatas etc to check exactly what, even if it is.

However I am confused by the 'birthday party' context, my mind is not in gear at the moment!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 10, 2014, 12:09:21 AM
Oh, that was a nasty mis-lead, but the start will show it's not the Chopin Polonaise.
Each of these sets is by one composer only though, and the references to others are deliberate.
Each set has also a unique theme.   572 is not Siegfried Ochs.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 10, 2014, 12:19:26 AM
Wait a minute, now I'm getting confused. What do you mean by "sets"? Does that mean they don't come from a single piece? I assumed you were adding new pages from the same scores, but now it seems you aren't? (I mean I initially thought that this (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg835442.html#msg835442) and this (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg837229.html#msg837229) were from one piece.) Does that mean they come from the same set/cycle of pieces, but not from same specific piece in the set?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 10, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
There are two composers, one each for 372 and 373, and the bits I've picked are from different 'movements' in each.  The two composers were obviously good pianists.
So we're looking for the writers of a couple of collections that don't look like their usual thing.  I'll stay on line for a bit if that is confusing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 10, 2014, 02:32:33 AM
Quote from: Luke on October 09, 2014, 11:19:20 PM
Well, the second of those is the big Chopin A flat Polonaise.

No, it can't be. It is a quotation, and a big one, but look at the ending - it isn't Chopin's own coda.

Which means I otherwise haven't a clue. I thought of Scarlatti for the other one too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 10, 2014, 03:25:21 AM
Oops, fell for my own trick there, only looked at the general shapes, not the details.  :-[

The 'Brahms' one and the 'Scarlatti' one are by the same composer, you say? So could it be from a book of pastiches, a kind of 'a la maniere de...' like the Ravel/Casella one? (I set the Casella 'Strauss' pastiche as one of my mystery scores years ago, and he did a Brahms one in that set, too, but it isn't this piece)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 10, 2014, 03:40:47 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 08, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
Well, let me add another one while I'm here. There are circles around some of the notes in the score - those are in pencil, they are not part of the score, sorry if that's confusing.

It's a Requiem setting (or a partial one?) for three choirs and two (or more?) groups of plinky instruments. That may ring a bell for someone else. Also it's probably Polish because I think both of your string quartet pieces were Polish, though I also don't recognise the second one. (Gorecki or something? It looks influenced by Ligeti's Metamorphoses nocturnes, so I suppose it could also be Hungarian/Romanian, but I don't think that piece was premiered until after Ligeti'd become a fixture of Warsaw Autumn)
>.>
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 10, 2014, 05:42:28 AM
Quote from: Luke on October 10, 2014, 03:25:21 AM
Oops, fell for my own trick there, only looked at the general shapes, not the details.  :-[

The 'Brahms' one and the 'Scarlatti' one are by the same composer, you say? So could it be from a book of pastiches, a kind of 'a la maniere de...' like the Ravel/Casella one?
Yes. and similarly the other set which is by someone else.   Each is a set of variations,  'Brahms and Chopin' by someone and 'Scarlatti  and Wagner' by another. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 10, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: amw on October 10, 2014, 03:40:47 AM
It's a Requiem setting (or a partial one?) for three choirs and two (or more?) groups of plinky instruments. That may ring a bell for someone else. Also it's probably Polish because I think both of your string quartet pieces were Polish, though I also don't recognise the second one.

Not a full requiem setting, no. Yes, three choirs (three "sets of voices" would be more precise, I guess) and two (identical) sets of instruments. Yes, it's Polish. I think I might add another page later.

Quote(Gorecki or something? It looks influenced by Ligeti's Metamorphoses nocturnes, so I suppose it could also be Hungarian/Romanian, but I don't think that piece was premiered until after Ligeti'd become a fixture of Warsaw Autumn)

Are you asking about the quartet or the choirs+instruments piece?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 10, 2014, 09:56:04 AM
Quick one to be going on with....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 10, 2014, 09:59:24 AM
and two more which share a very close relationship...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 10, 2014, 10:48:17 AM
Quote from: listener on October 10, 2014, 05:42:28 AM
Yes. and similarly the other set which is by someone else.   Each is a set of variations,  'Brahms and Chopin' by someone and 'Scarlatti  and Wagner' by another.

GOt one of them - the Scarlatti/Wagner is Busoni, Five Variations on Kommt ein Vogel geflogen, which was his appendix to the Siegfried Ochs piece, hence your reference to Ochs, I guess. Haven't tracked down the other one yet...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 10, 2014, 10:49:18 AM
I hadn't even realised the 'Wagner' one was part of this particular teaser, but then I saw it in the same set as the 'Scarlatti' one - a bonus!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 10, 2014, 12:22:58 PM
Quote from: Luke on October 10, 2014, 09:56:04 AM
Quick one to be going on with....

The words here are by the poet Wendy Cope, a poem called Reading Scheme in the intricate form of a vilanelle. But I have no idea who set the music.

Here is Peter. Here is Jane. They like fun.
Jane has a big doll. Peter has a ball.
Look, Jane, look! Look at the dog! See him run!

Here is mummy. She has baked a bun.
Here is the milkman. He has come to call.
Here is Peter. Here is Jane. They like fun.

Go Peter! Go Jane! Come, milkman, come!
The milkman likes mummy. The milkman likes them all.
Look, Jane, look! Look at the dog! See him run!

Here are the curtains. They shut out the sun.
Let us peep! On tiptoe Jane! You are small!
Here is Peter. Here is Jane. They like fun.

I hear a car, Jane. The milkman looks glum.
Here is Daddy in his car. Daddy is tall.
Look, Jane, look! Look at the dog! See him run!

Daddy looks very cross. Has he a gun?
Up milkman! Up milkman! Over the wall!
Here is Peter. Here is Jane. They like fun.
Look, Jane, look! Look at the dog! See him run!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 10, 2014, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: Luke on October 10, 2014, 09:59:24 AM
and two more which share a very close relationship...

John Cage?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 10, 2014, 12:59:52 PM
No, but the Wendy Cope poem is indeed the one. Do the Peter and Jane books ever get used in the US? They are a very British phenomenon, I would imagine. I just had a quick search for them and found this spoof (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features/mummy-i-could-have-done-that--new-book-pokes-fun-at-modern-art-9112523.html)...very funny!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 10, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
Quote from: Luke on October 10, 2014, 10:48:17 AM
GOt one of them - the Scarlatti/Wagner is Busoni, Five Variations on Kommt ein Vogel geflogen, which was his appendix to the Siegfried Ochs piece, hence your reference to Ochs, I guess. Haven't tracked down the other one yet...
DONE!!
that is on record by Witoschynskyj, Ira Maria on Capriccio 49 476 (4-cds)

The other one is more Mephistophelian.
  I have it on file,  28 pages 1.5Mb if you want it and can handle the file size
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 10, 2014, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 10, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
Are you asking about the quartet or the choirs+instruments piece?

String quartet. It looks 'minimal' and 'brutal' enough to be Gorecki but he may be too obvious for this kind of game ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 10, 2014, 11:24:44 PM
Oh, OK. Your references to Ligeti confused me. To me, this is a folk inspired work + the extended quotations from another piece + perhaps a slight reference to Szymanowski (well, I think it's there, but maybe I could be persuaded; I don't remember whether Thomas mentions it).

Anyway, it is Gorecki. And what I'm adding below will be a clue, quite blatant I'm afraid, as to the specific work. This new one is actually transposed by a third, not an original edition (which, oddly enough, I'm unable to find online, and I won't be around a library until Monday so). (UPDATE: Replaced by a proper transcription, though still not an original edition...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 06:58:25 AM
On a whim, as a little sideshow to the main event, I just knocked up a single image containing a number of single moments, or at least single notes/chords/events. Very famous, all of them (one or two maybe slightly less so, but not much), and I chose them because they are all single instants which are characteristic enough to identify the whole work. Just for fun, this one, I won't keep a score of them...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 06:59:10 AM
(some of these have been on this thread before, btw)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on October 11, 2014, 07:26:50 AM
l- Stockhausen Klavierstuck IX
v- Ligeti cello concerto
j- Stravinsky Symphony of Psalms
b- Elgar cello concerto, I think
k- Beethoven's 3rd symphony never mind :-[
o- Berg Sonata Op. 1
c- Looks like Messiaen -- one of the Vingt Regards, I think.
n- Stockhausen Gruppen, I think
r- Stravinsky Rite of Spring, augers
t- Looked ridiculous at first (how the hell can I tell from that?! :laugh:), but now I'm almost positive it is Ravel's Gaspard de la Nuit, "Le Gibet"
w- and this would be the same, but "Scarbo"
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 07:36:55 AM
all bar one - k is not Beethoven. Le Gibet is right...now look at the others for some more devilry....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 07:37:37 AM
....I see you realised about the Beethoven.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 07:39:41 AM
...and the Ravel: yes, there's Scarbo here too. How amazing, to come up with ideas so very simple and yet so very potent and full of personality that one moment is enough to identify them, and the thing with Gaspard is that practically every note is this characterful - I could have quoted from anywhere in the whole thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 07:43:33 AM
I started doing this because I was just idly driving along listening to Stravinsky and thinking about single chords that have real importance in music history - like r, the infamous chord from The Rite, and j, that fabulous chord from the Symphony of Psalms - both chords which show how Stravinsky came up with chords at the piano, how he could make something new from the most basic materials. As a hint, there are a few other VIC (Very Important Chords) in here - at least two or three, depending on how you assess these things.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2014, 01:35:08 PM
I'll take a look at those in a minute, first let me post the ones I brought over. $:)

So, I've realized the page I chose for my 163 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg836981.html#msg836981) was perhaps not the best guessing material, and I have now replaced it with a different one (different page from the same score, that is). And just to lead you in the right direction (though I'm not sure if the clue is going to be enough to guess the piece) I am now going to post three other pieces, all of which share something with my no. 163. (In fact, the situation with these pieces is in a way similar to that with my 162  (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg836950.html#msg836950)and 164 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg837452.html#msg837452), I think).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
165
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Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2014, 01:40:10 PM
166
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Post by: Maciek on October 11, 2014, 01:42:40 PM
167
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 11, 2014, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Luke on October 11, 2014, 06:58:25 AM
On a whim, as a little sideshow to the main event, I just knocked up a single image containing a number of single moments, or at least single notes/chords/events. Very famous, all of them (one or two maybe slightly less so, but not much), and I chose them because they are all single instants which are characteristic enough to identify the whole work. Just for fun, this one, I won't keep a score of them...
a - Summer Morning by a Lake
c - Intimate Letters
f - D960
i - Alpensinfonie
k - Sibelius 5
m - The Alcotts
p - Tristan
u - Shostakovich 15

low hanging fruit time

Also I think 166 is the Rzewski Sonata, but not 100% sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 03:05:43 PM
All correct, of course. Told you they were straightforward! Which leaves d, h, q and s, I think. One is so famous, and in fact is also, specifically, famous in this very form, that you all definitely know it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: amw on October 11, 2014, 02:40:23 PM

Also I think 166 is the Rzewski Sonata, but not 100% sure.

Well it definitely looks just like Rzewski's handwriting, so I think you are probably right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 11, 2014, 03:19:19 PM
Yes, you are right, I just checked the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 11, 2014, 03:32:13 PM
Missed h somehow, it's Bach's Sonata I. "You're alone." g I don't recognise though.

d is too small for me to read, though I'm sure I should be able to tell what it is without having to look closely.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 11, 2014, 06:13:43 PM
Quote from: amw on October 11, 2014, 03:32:13 PM
Missed h somehow, it's Bach's Sonata I. "You're alone." g I don't recognise though.

d is too small for me to read, though I'm sure I should be able to tell what it is without having to look closely.

I would have thought the opening chord to Don from Bz's Pli selon pli, but even though I've got that score, it's too blurry for me to tell for sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 12, 2014, 01:40:28 AM
It is indeed the Boulez, and as your post vaguely suggests, the blurriness is incidental because the chord is guessable just from its general shape. Those first few seconds and minutes of Pli Selon Pli (in fact, Don as a whole, too) are so individual, powerful and atmospheric - I listened to them over and over and over as a teenager.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 12, 2014, 02:33:22 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 11, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
165

The tenor part tells me this is a L'homme armé parody mass, but whose I can't be sure. Josquin wrote two of them; let me throw out his name as a guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on October 12, 2014, 02:45:34 AM
Quote from: Maciek on October 11, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
165
It is Ockeghem's L'homme arme
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 12, 2014, 02:54:56 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on October 12, 2014, 02:33:22 AM
The tenor part tells me this is a L'homme armé parody mass, but whose I can't be sure. Josquin wrote two of them; let me throw out his name as a guess.
speaking of which, this one is still hanging (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg831423.html#msg831423) (though the composer has been identified)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 12, 2014, 02:57:07 AM
167 could be one of the Josquin l'homme armé masses (super voces musicales? Sexti toni is I think F in modern notation, this doesn't look like F...), the imitative style looks like him. I sometimes have to remind myself that Josquin came after Ockeghem, who in turn came after Dufay. I'm really bad with renaissance music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2014, 03:30:56 PM
Hi everyone!

Quote from: amw on October 11, 2014, 02:40:23 PM
Also I think 166 is the Rzewski Sonata, but not 100% sure.

It is! (I know Luke confirmed this earlier, but just to double-confirm)

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on October 12, 2014, 02:33:22 AM
The tenor part tells me this is a L'homme armé parody mass, but whose I can't be sure. Josquin wrote two of them; let me throw out his name as a guess.

It's a L'homme armé mass, but not Josquin's.

Quote from: EigenUser on October 12, 2014, 02:45:34 AM
It is Ockeghem's L'homme arme

That's right.

Quote from: amw on October 12, 2014, 02:57:07 AM
167 could be one of the Josquin l'homme armé masses (super voces musicales? Sexti toni is I think F in modern notation, this doesn't look like F...), the imitative style looks like him. I sometimes have to remind myself that Josquin came after Ockeghem, who in turn came after Dufay. I'm really bad with renaissance music.

No. It's by someone who was born, probably, a couple of years after Josquin's death - if that's any clue.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2014, 03:31:49 PM
Anyway, I suppose the element connecting those three (165, 166, 167) is clear now. So that's the clue to the earlier voices+instruments score (163).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2014, 03:35:36 PM
168
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Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2014, 03:36:17 PM
169
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Post by: Maciek on October 17, 2014, 03:36:47 PM
170
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Post by: Luke on October 18, 2014, 01:50:55 AM
Is 169 Panufnik?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 18, 2014, 02:16:23 AM
No, no, it's not.

I thought at first maybe you meant 168, because your question made me notice how 168 is perhaps a bit similar to Autumn Music...? Though Autumn Music is a bit more "sparse", in terms of texture, isn't it (as far as I remember)? Anyway, neither 168, nor 169 is Panufnik.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 18, 2014, 02:25:36 AM
Just looked a bit 'pattern-making' in a Panufnik way, and also very similar, though not precisely the same as his handwriting in those of his scores I have that are handwritten.

BTW, just got you message, didn't see it earlier - don't worry! And I will reply shortly, though I have to go out for a while now  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 18, 2014, 02:00:04 PM
Quote from: Luke on October 18, 2014, 02:25:36 AM
Just looked a bit 'pattern-making' in a Panufnik way, and also very similar, though not precisely the same as his handwriting in those of his scores I have that are handwritten.

Well, I never thought of this composer as similar to Panufnik before, but once you guessed it could be Panufnik, I realized there were similarities that I had ignored. 'Pattern-making' is probably the right way to put it, since the composer sometimes seems interested in pursuing ideas of a... I don't know, a sort of geometrical nature? Though I think the music probably does not sound quite as "abstract" as Panufnik's sometimes does. By the way, I don't have the full score at home to verify this, but I'm pretty certain the horn and clarinet are actually transposed, even if it may seem at first blush that they aren't. I also suspect there should be a flat in the first bar of the horn part on the second page? Or maybe not... No way of verifying that easily, I guess. :)

BTW, for me, this is one of a series of most touchingly beautiful passages in modern music. (Is that a clue? Maybe for those who have known me for a while and remember some of the composers who fascinate me...)

There's a DVD with an interview with the composer where he says that when his wife comes into the room when he's working, she usually asks him whether he's composing or editing/correcting (I don't remember the exact term he uses) - and that his reply is always the latter, so he's not sure when the actual composing takes place (or maybe whether it takes place at all - I need to find that interview and relisten...). No idea why I'm sharing this, other than that I felt like sharing it... ;D

Quote from: Luke on October 18, 2014, 02:25:36 AM
BTW, just got you message, didn't see it earlier - don't worry! And I will reply shortly, though I have to go out for a while now  :)

OK, I'm reassured. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 20, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
A (serenely) sparkling gem from the 1940s.

(As a counter-example perhaps?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 20, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
Ah, that one I do know, and love - it is Panufnik this time, the Lullaby. Gorgeous.  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 20, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
It is, isn't it? Doesn't sound abstract at all - even if the precision might remind one of a clockwork mechanism. (No?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 20, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
Earlier today I was reading a conversation between Tadeusz Kaczynski (Polish musicologist) and Nigel Osborne (British composer). It was about Panufnik. While reading it I was wondering whether Kaczynski wasn't going a bit too far with his "Polishness" of Panufnik's music approach. But listening to the Lullaby just now, I realized the piece is fundamentally linked to Chopin's nocturnes. I mean the polyrhythmic tension between 6:4 and 4:4 (both on the horizontal plane - the melody switches between the two rhythms, and on the vertical - the melody in strings is mostly 6:4, the harp "accompaniment" is 4:4). And of course there is the flowing type of the melody itself, a bit reminiscent of the nocturnes, I think? It's almost like a Chopin Nocturne for strings and harp, with clusters and microtonality included for additional color.

Or is that going a bit too far? What do you think?

[EDIT: listening once more, and looking specifically at the melody: the repeated sounds remind me of Chopin too]
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 20, 2014, 01:57:58 PM
Oh, I completely agree. Also that fragrant, sharp-laden chromaticised tonality - reminds me of the C sharp minor and the B major Nocturnes, for instance (which are also my favourite Nocturnes, give or take a couple of others)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on October 23, 2014, 08:00:53 AM
tidying up the not quite recognized one (the Brahms and Chopin parodies)
The Collection "Anton Notenquetscher am Klavier" is a parody of the student scene from  Goethe's Faust and was written for the 70th birthday of Carl Bechstein by Moritz and Alexander Moszkowsky.  The variations are on a popular song "Im Grunewald ist Holtzauktion" which starts off like the Brazilian national anthem.
There is a recording, Danacord 479, from the Schloß vor Husum 1996 Festival with the spoken text, a translation is supplied.

So I'll add three new ones to replace the old ones.  (identify as 607, 608 and 610),  The first one should be a familiar one.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: listener on October 23, 2014, 08:00:53 AM
The first one should be a familiar one.

Hmmm, I don't think I recognize it.

Quote from: Luke on October 20, 2014, 01:57:58 PM
Oh, I completely agree. Also that fragrant, sharp-laden chromaticised tonality - reminds me of the C sharp minor and the B major Nocturnes, for instance (which are also my favourite Nocturnes, give or take a couple of others)

Good to know I'm not alone then. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
Let me post a few more.

172
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Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
173
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Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
174, 175
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Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 01:37:17 PM
176
(EDIT: replacing it with TWO pages 8))
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Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 01:37:54 PM
177, final one in this batch.
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Post by: EigenUser on October 24, 2014, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 01:37:17 PM
176
This one definitely looks like Penderecki, though I'm not sure which piece. Is it one of the Da Natura Sonoris? (which are awesome, by the way, though I have to be in a very rare mood to enjoy them).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 24, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
Yes, I can see why you would think this is Penderecki (I think one of the De natura sonoris scores was even published in the same series as this), but the mystery score here is actually a bit different. It comes from one of the pieces that marked the move away from the avantgarde idiom in Poland. The page I've given might be the most famous moment of the piece, and quite characteristic, but most of the score looks completely different, so in that sense it is a bit misleading.

Also, there's a link between 176 and 177.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on October 31, 2014, 01:11:03 AM
25.
This is the biggest score I have ever come across. I picked it up from the library (an ILL order) before class and everyone in classes was asking what the big book was for. I put a 1-ft ruler on it for comparison.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/axunvf2es8slks6/Photo%20Oct%2031%2C%204%2054%2013%20AM.jpg)


I also got really bored during my second class so I started sketching short sections of pieces from memory (just single iconic lines) in the class notes (a very interesting class, but I took it last year and got an 'A-', so it's very hard to pay attention!). Then, about halfway through, I realized that it might be fun to post (kind of like Luke's page of very short lines from famous works). I'll post that later. I wrote the name of the work on each one so I'll have to cover it up with sticky notes. They are all from memory so they're not perfect, but anyone who knows the piece will be able to get it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 31, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
Boulez: Figures, Doubles, Prisms, jumped into my mind as soon as I saw that, but I don't know why - it doesn't look right, the handwriting is off I think, and I've seen the score to FDP, and it didn't look like this IIRC. I've also just listened to FDP and couldn't hear this page, though there were lots of similar things, so I may have missed it. So I'm sure it isn't that, but I'm going to guess it anyway!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 31, 2014, 02:50:34 AM
Quote from: Luke on October 31, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
Boulez: Figures, Doubles, Prisms, jumped into my mind as soon as I saw that, but I don't know why - it doesn't look right, the handwriting is off I think, and I've seen the score to FDP, and it didn't look like this IIRC. I've also just listened to FDP and couldn't hear this page, though there were lots of similar things, so I may have missed it. So I'm sure it isn't that, but I'm going to guess it anyway!

FWIW, I thought Boulez as well, though Luke jumped in first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on October 31, 2014, 03:07:32 AM
Handwriting does look like Boulez actually. The first thing I thought of was Éclat/Multiples due to the 'hocketing' rolled chords, but I think that's got fewer instruments in it. Also, he hasn't actually finished that piece yet.

Could it be Répons?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 31, 2014, 03:51:22 AM
I don't think it's that - I have that score, doesn't look like this.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on October 31, 2014, 07:32:33 AM
Quote from: amw on October 31, 2014, 03:07:32 AM
Handwriting does look like Boulez actually. The first thing I thought of was Éclat/Multiples due to the 'hocketing' rolled chords, but I think that's got fewer instruments in it. Also, he hasn't actually finished that piece yet.

Could it be Répons?
It is! That rolled chord is the beginning of the 1st section (right when the soloists enter).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on October 31, 2014, 07:56:28 AM
Sorry, my earlier reply was referring to Eclat, not to Repons - I've never seen that score. Very cool!!

The biggest score I have is probably the same size as the Repons, to judge by your photo. It's Ferneyhough's Transit - an incredible piece, a beautiful score, but a pain to shelve!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on October 31, 2014, 09:07:53 AM
Possibly not the only regard in which it may be a pain  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on October 31, 2014, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: Luke on October 31, 2014, 07:56:28 AM
Sorry, my earlier reply was referring to Eclat, not to Repons - I've never seen that score. Very cool!!

The biggest score I have is probably the same size as the Repons, to judge by your photo. It's Ferneyhough's Transit - an incredible piece, a beautiful score, but a pain to shelve!
I was very disappointed because there was no information whatsoever. No preface -- not even an instrumentation. You open it and there's page 1! Usually there is some sort of explanation for music written past, say 1950 (though I am passionate about 20C music, I do jokingly call them "apologies for what is about to be heard"). Having said that, it isn't too hard to follow along (not like, for instance, Gruppen). I did get lost a few times, but that was because it is a poor (hard-to-read) copy.

Does anyone else here, for some odd reason, like reading through huge scores? I don't know -- I just feel so much more important than I really am when I'm flipping through huge pages :D. Any large book, for that matter.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on October 31, 2014, 03:50:37 PM
Hm, I don't know. They are cumbersome. And with scores, you need to stand up, or at least sit up real straight, otherwise you can't see all of the page. I think I prefer smaller editions. Which is not to say I don't appreciate anything about the large ones. If diminishing size means loss of readability, then I definitely prefer a larger score. (And I certainly prefer playing from regular size piano scores to playing from pocket ones.)

The subject of large scores reminds me of a photo prof. Bieńkowska showed us of the antiphonary from this page:
http://biblioteket.statensmusikverk.se/hand/rare.html (http://biblioteket.statensmusikverk.se/hand/rare.html)
I struggle with the concept of a "1-ft ruler", but if my conversion and visual estimations are correct, then the Boulez score is about the same size? But probably not quite as thick (or heavy).

A photo of another large antiphonary here:
http://krieger.jhu.edu/magazine/sp10/f2.html (http://krieger.jhu.edu/magazine/sp10/f2.html)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 03, 2014, 01:30:31 PM
Time for an updated index to mine (I'm getting lost in my own quiz scores). I'll edit clues into this post later - it might be a couple of days before I get around to it, though.

141 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832812.html#msg832812) Ravel's Tombeau de Couperin, II. Forlane (guessed by EigenUser)
142 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832812.html#msg832812) I refuse to reveal this one. :) It's a major turn of the century opera, an extremely popular one, one of the most often performed operas (in the top 10 on a list I found on the web).
143 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832813.html#msg832813) Tchaik's 1st PC (guessed by Luke)
144 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832813.html#msg832813) the beginning of this concerto appears to be a conscious "reversal" of the opening of Tchaikovsky's PC (meant as a sort of homage, I suppose), the composer died young (only a little older than Schubert), in a tragic accident (killed by an avalanche), he is known for symphonic poems Mieczysław Karłowicz Violin Concerto (guessed by amw)
145 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832814.html#msg832814) Mozart Don Giovanni (guessed by Luke)
146 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832814.html#msg832814) Saint-Saens PC2 (guessed by Luke)
147 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832815.html#msg832815) not Verdi, otherwise see 142
148 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832815.html#msg832815) Saint Saens Danse Macabre (guessed by Luke)
149 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832816.html#msg832816) Charlie Brown's Kite from You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown, words and music by Clark Gesner (guessed by Luke)
150 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832816.html#msg832816) Nina Simone's My Baby Just Cares For Me [lyrics by Gus Kahn, original song by Walter Donaldson] (guessed by Luke)
151 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832817.html#msg832817) Erkki Melartin's Fantasia apocaliptica [Piano Sonata No.1] (guessed by amw)
152 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832817.html#msg832817) Szymanowski Violin Concerto no. 1 (guessed by Luke)
153 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832818.html#msg832818) TOMASZ Sikorski - Widok z okna ogladany w roztargnieniu/Zerstreutes Hinausschauen (guessed by Luke)
154 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832818.html#msg832818) the program of a concert I went to a couple of weeks ago, where this piece was performed, quoted Jerzy Kornowicz calling this composer "the most American of Polish composers"; this composer actually spent a year in NYC in the 1970s; one of John Tilbury's recent albums is dedicated to this composer; the title of the piece is taken from Heidegger, though the composer apparently had not read Heidegger, at least not the essay the word comes from - he just liked the word and what it evoked (a friend told him about the essay)
155 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832820.html#msg832820) Tomasz Sikorski Adventures of Sindbad the Sailor (guessed by Luke)
156 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832820.html#msg832820) Tomasz Sikorski Music from Afar (guessed by Luke)
157 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832822.html#msg832822) Tomasz Sikorski Pejzaz zimowy/Paesaggio d'inverno/Winter landscape (guessed by Luke)
158 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832822.html#msg832822) Tomasz Sikorski Diaphony (guessed by Luke)
159 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg834373.html#msg834373) David Lang Cheating, lying, stealing (guessed by Luke)
160 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg836018.html#msg836018) Chopin Lento con gran espressione WN 37 (aka Nocturne in C# Minor) (guessed by Luke)
161 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg836949.html#msg836949) Szymanowski SQ no. 2 (guessed by Luke)
162 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg836950.html#msg836950) ?? Gorecki (guessed by amw) - specific work remains to be guessed: large sections of this piece are based on material taken from my mystery score no. 164 - in fact, the piece takes its title from the incipit of 164
163 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg836981.html#msg836981) Polish piece for voices (not really choirs) and instruments; the main hint would be that there is something (visible? in the page I've given) that connects this piece with several of my mystery scores, namely nos. 165, 166, 167, 174, and 175
164 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg837452.html#msg837452) piece by Polish Renaissance composer
165 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg837578.html#msg837578) Ockeghem L'homme arme mass (guessed by EigenUser)
166 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg837579.html#msg837579) Rzewski Sonata (guessed by amw)
167 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg837580.html#msg837580) composer is someone who was born, probably, a couple of years after Josquin's death
168 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg839285.html#msg839285) piece based on music written for a documentary
169 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg839287.html#msg839287) title maybe alludes to one of Beethoven's piano sonatas, and has something in common with 172; otherwise, let me just paste from my reply to Luke: the composer sometimes seems interested in pursuing ideas of a... I don't know, a sort of geometrical nature? [...] I don't have the full score at home to verify this, but I'm pretty certain the horn and clarinet are actually transposed [still haven't checked this in the score, sorry] I also suspect there should be a flat in the first bar of the horn part on the second page? Or maybe not...
170 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg839288.html#msg839288) typically of some of the pieces by this contemporary composer, the title suggests a strong link with music of earlier eras
171 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg840086.html#msg840086) Panufnik Lullaby (guessed by Luke)
172 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg841408.html#msg841408) this may remind you of somebody, and while it isn't by that somebody, it is by someone close to that somebody (who was really a composer of his own, so the similarity is in a way misleading, but that's beside the point here); the title has something in common with 169 Mieczysław Weinberg's Sinfonietta No. 1 (guessed by amw)
173 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg841409.html#msg841409) ??
174 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg841410.html#msg841410) pretty obvious, part of the reply is there on the page - you just need to narrow it down
175 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg841410.html#msg841410) pretty obvious, part of the reply is there on the page, conspicuously - you just need to narrow it down
176 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg841411.html#msg841411) not Penderecki, not Lutoslawski, and has something in common with 177 and 178; the current version of the image contains both of the two last pages of the score; from my reply to EigenUser: It comes from one of the pieces that marked the move away from the avantgarde idiom in Poland. The page I've given might be the most famous moment of the piece, and quite characteristic, but most of the score looks completely different, so in that sense it is a bit misleading.
177 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg841412.html#msg841412) not Penderecki either,  :) and has something in common with 176; aw, come on, look at the music! ;D and look at 178!
178 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg846028.html#msg846028) linked with 176, and with 177 in particular :)

(Whew... This stuff takes time!)
((No, this stuff takes time!)) :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 04, 2014, 08:04:47 AM
Quote from: Maciek on November 03, 2014, 01:30:31 PM
(Whew... This stuff takes time!)

You're telling me! Thanks for that!

(PS will reply to email soon - been very busy the last couple of days!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 07, 2014, 03:42:56 PM
Well, I've added the clues, plus I'm adding one more below, 178.

Quote from: Luke on November 04, 2014, 08:04:47 AM
You're telling me! Thanks for that!

You're welcome. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on November 07, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: Maciek on November 03, 2014, 01:30:31 PM
144 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg832813.html#msg832813) [...] the composer died young (only a little older than Schubert), in a tragic accident (killed by an avalanche) [...]
That hint is actually the only thing I know about this composer. It's Mieczysław Karłowicz, presumably the Violin Concerto >.>

Quote
172 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg841408.html#msg841408) this may remind you of somebody, and while it isn't by that somebody, it is by someone close to that somebody (who was really a composer of his own, so the similarity is in a way misleading, but that's beside the point here); the title has something in common with 169
Hmm, I didn't see this before for some reason, but recognised it immediately; Mieczysław Weinberg's Sinfonietta No. 1.

Lots of Mieczysławs in here
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 07, 2014, 04:38:34 PM
Correct on both counts. I'll update the list.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 08:59:05 AM
G1

To be clear: I've cut off the bottom of this score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 09:06:59 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 09:53:24 AM
Another score I've been obsessed with lately

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 10:44:01 AM
G3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 12:42:50 PM
G4

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 12:43:23 PM
Hope all are well by the way!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 12:57:07 PM
Maciek 176- is it lutoslawski?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 12, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Howdy!!

And of course, thanks for no 2, Makropulos if I'm not mistaken?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 01:11:37 PM
 :D Hello Luke! So glad to see you here!

??? Even the mightiest janacekian can make mistakes! Close, but not quite!!  :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 12, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
Bloody hell, it's Katya isn't it! I have that full score not three feet away from me! Disgusted with self....
1 looks Straussy  ;)   but so does 3, actually...is it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 12, 2014, 01:25:59 PM
Re no 1 - some of my favourite pages/bars of nothing are by Strauss. He does rests like no one else. This my top one (I know I've mentioned it a million times):

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 12, 2014, 01:57:02 PM
Don't think 3 is Strauss, actually. A number of other possibilities spring to mind, so I will quit whilst I'm not quite ahead. Fantastic to see Guido again...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 12, 2014, 02:04:26 PM
Feel a bit stupid for thinking that might be Strauss - it was the harmonic sideslips that suggested it, not the physical look of the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 12, 2014, 02:14:37 PM
Katya is right! Right at the end of the prelude. (As someone has noted on the score : libretto starts). I love this prelude, it says so much in such a short time. I hear a clear link to the overture of Rusalka - I've always wondered about this. I love the last 4 Janacek operas to distraction, and every time I listen I find even more to admire. The generosity of the music, its fecundity and ravishing beauty, and the uncompromising, even painful honesty of it never fails to move me.

The only one of janacek's mature operas that doesn't fully grab me is Broucek, though I haven't tried it for a while.

1 and 3 are both Strauss yes. To be clear, I've just cut off the bottom of the score of no.1  - I just wondered whether there was enough information for this august crowd to get this one!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 13, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
Do I need to give clues for mine? No 1 and 4 are SUPER famous. Number 3 is a Strauss obscurity, but should be gettable I think...

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 15, 2014, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on October 31, 2014, 01:11:03 AM
I also got really bored during my second class so I started sketching short sections of pieces from memory (just single iconic lines) in the class notes (a very interesting class, but I took it last year and got an 'A-', so it's very hard to pay attention!). Then, about halfway through, I realized that it might be fun to post (kind of like Luke's page of very short lines from famous works). I'll post that later. I wrote the name of the work on each one so I'll have to cover it up with sticky notes. They are all from memory so they're not perfect, but anyone who knows the piece will be able to get it.

Finally got around to it. The pieces of paper in the way of some of them are my way of covering up the titles (which I wrote before I got the idea to post them here). The reference numbers are circled near the clip. Some of these aren't quite right (due to my incorrect memory), but that should make it harder :D. If you know the pieces well (none are obscure), it should be a piece of cake regardless of my mistakes.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/77z88on2goq7fe9/MEEG690Doodling1.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/3m3beq8ipqpmtfu/MEEG690Doodling2.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/l61facy7eld1deo/MEEG690Doodling3.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/w2mjrjl7df47ln5/MEEG690Doodling5.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/iue8cjoz631qeue/MEEG690Doodling6.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 15, 2014, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on November 15, 2014, 04:12:02 PM
Finally got around to it. The pieces of paper in the way of some of them are my way of covering up the titles (which I wrote before I got the idea to post them here). The reference numbers are circled near the clip. Some of these aren't quite right (due to my incorrect memory), but that should make it harder :D. If you know the pieces well (none are obscure), it should be a piece of cake regardless of my mistakes.


I see the Berg Violin Concerto, Beethoven Concerto 4, and Tchaikovsky Symphony 5.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on November 15, 2014, 08:27:10 PM
Ligeti VC/iv, Limoges - Le Marché, Rothko Chapel & Das Lied are in there as well.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 16, 2014, 02:05:25 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 15, 2014, 08:13:10 PM
I see the Berg Violin Concerto, Beethoven Concerto 4, and Tchaikovsky Symphony 5.
Quote from: amw on November 15, 2014, 08:27:10 PM
Ligeti VC/iv, Limoges - Le Marché, Rothko Chapel & Das Lied are in there as well.

Other than the Ligeti VC, all of these are correct.
3. Berg VC
4. Feldman Rothko Chapel
9. Mussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition -- Limoges
10. Beethoven PC4
11. Tchaikovsky Symphony No. 5
16. Mahler Das Lied von der Erde

I think that 7 is the hardest since it isn't a main theme. I'm sure Luke will have no problem with 8...

And come on, guys! 2 and 6 are too easy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 16, 2014, 08:35:36 AM
Literally just seen these, and kicking myself for having missed the ones that jumped out at me as I scrolled through. No 8 is Ravel, Introduction and Allegro (don't want to fail to live up to expectations!). Now I will look at the rest...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 16, 2014, 08:40:10 AM
6 is Turangalila
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 16, 2014, 08:47:17 AM
12 is Turangalila too. I know some of the others, eg 15 is very familiar, 7 and 13 too, but I will need to think a little. The Beethoven, Tchaik, Mussorgsky and Mahler I'd have got; the Feldman I know too, in fact i was following that very passage of score a month or so ago, but it would have taken me longer to make that leap.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 16, 2014, 01:17:01 PM
Correct on all of these.

6. Messiaen Turangalila Symphonie (movement VIII)
8. Ravel Introduction and Allegro (opening bars, flute and clarinet)
12. Messiaen Turangalila Symphonie (movement I). Fun fact -- this section is my current ringtone.

Last month when I was at Juilliard I asked an employee if they had Feldman's Rothko Chapel. She found it and brought it over for me -- $65!!! I guess I'm not surprised anymore, but still... I didn't end up getting it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 16, 2014, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Luke on November 16, 2014, 08:47:17 AM
12 is Turangalila too. I know some of the others, eg 15 is very familiar, 7 and 13 too, but I will need to think a little. The Beethoven, Tchaik, Mussorgsky and Mahler I'd have got; the Feldman I know too, in fact i was following that very passage of score a month or so ago, but it would have taken me longer to make that leap.

And I of course know the Mussorgsky - I've played the damn piece! (Or the bloody piece for our British cousins.) It's amazing how different it looks if you don't sense the tempo in your mind. But then again, unlike my dear friend Luke, I have no reputation to live up to.

BTW, never buy from the Juilliard store. They'll always charge you at least list price if not more. Wish I could offer a better option, but since Patelson's closed on W. 56th Street, NYC has been without a first-class store for printed classical music.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on November 16, 2014, 02:10:41 PM
I'm still mourning the passing of Patelson's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 16, 2014, 03:42:38 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 16, 2014, 02:09:31 PM
And I of course know the Mussorgsky - I've played the damn piece! (Or the bloody piece for our British cousins.) It's amazing how different it looks if you don't sense the tempo in your mind. But then again, unlike my dear friend Luke, I have no reputation to live up to.
I've played it, too (the Ravel orchestration). Isn't it such a fun piece? It is from the 1st violin part -- opening of Limoges.

Funny story -- the first time we played through it, the trumpet player accidentally used the wrong key trumpet. The first two (solo) measures sounded fine since it was alone, but then the rest of the brass section came in and we all cracked up :laugh:.

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 16, 2014, 02:09:31 PM
BTW, never buy from the Juilliard store. They'll always charge you at least list price if not more. Wish I could offer a better option, but since Patelson's closed on W. 56th Street, NYC has been without a first-class store for printed classical music.
I know, I know... It's really a typical college bookstore as far as pricing schemes are concerned. But how can I walk out empty-handed?? I certainly don't buy as much as I want to.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on November 16, 2014, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 16, 2014, 02:09:31 PM
BTW, never buy from the Juilliard store. They'll always charge you at least list price if not more. Wish I could offer a better option, but since Patelson's closed on W. 56th Street, NYC has been without a first-class store for printed classical music.
This place is pretty good, if I recall correctly

http://www.frankmusiccompany.com/catalog/index.php
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 17, 2014, 03:11:59 AM
Quote from: amw on November 16, 2014, 08:36:14 PM
This place is pretty good, if I recall correctly

http://www.frankmusiccompany.com/catalog/index.php

You are right, and I should have thought of old Frank too. And don't get me wrong, the Juilliard store is terrific as far as inventory goes. With the new remodeling of Lincoln Center, the store is also far more easy to negotiate than the older and more cramped facility ever was. But Patelson for a long time gave discounts (10% back in the day, 5% more recently, and I can't recall if they eventually stopped discounting altogether), and was much more browser-friendly than Frank's was as I recall. (Patelson's had its quirky personalities, but my one visit to Frank's IIRC was so disagreeable that I vowed never to return. Unlike Patelson's, they were also closed on weekends.) And reviews on Yelp complain that Frank's also inflates prices beyond list. At this point I am more likely to turn to sheetmusicplus.com for my score orders (not that I buy as much lately; I'm very glad I bought most of my music years ago when prices were a little less insane).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 17, 2014, 03:20:00 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 17, 2014, 03:11:59 AM
You are right, and I should have thought of old Frank too. And don't get me wrong, the Juilliard store is terrific as far as inventory goes. With the new remodeling of Lincoln Center, the store is also far more easy to negotiate than the older and more cramped facility ever was. But Patelson for a long time gave discounts (10% back in the day, 5% more recently, and I can't recall if they eventually stopped discounting altogether), and was much more browser-friendly than Frank's was as I recall. (Patelson's had its quirky personalities, but my one visit to Frank's IIRC was so disagreeable that I vowed never to return. Unlike Patelson's, they were also closed on weekends.) And reviews on Yelp complain that Frank's also inflates prices beyond list. At this point I am more likely to turn to sheetmusicplus.com for my score orders (not that I buy as much lately; I'm very glad I bought most of my music years ago when prices were a little less insane).
I'm still working up the courage to buy a volume of Des Canyons aux Etoiles.... I NEED to have this piece, even if I acquire it volume-by-volume.

I just checked the prices at Frank's and they are ridiculous. Vingt Regards... is going for $125 -- list price is $85. I know a place where I can get it for $60 (online), if I remember correctly. Bartok's Mandarin is going for $100 -- list price is around $60, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 17, 2014, 11:11:04 AM
Those prices are ridiculous. I got Vingt Regards for around £30 IIRC, though that was around 20 years ago. Mandarin can't have been more than £10 - that was even further back in the mists of time.

Over this way, Brian Jordan's, the heavenly music shop in Cambridge (UK) that I have reminisced about, misty-eyed, many times over the years, including a within the last couple of months, is now just another tourist cafe, I discovered on Saturday. That is the shop where I got hold most of my most super-bargain price Messiaen such as that £30 VR, or Turangalila for £20, Chronochromie and EERM for less than that each, and all 3 volumes of Canyons for something ridiculous, for a start. Now all the outlets I haunted in my student days are gone. I feel very sad, very old, and very out of touch!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 17, 2014, 05:30:22 PM
I missed all the excitement! Drat!

Some more clues to mine
G1: well if none of those instruments are playing, then what is left? And we know it's right at the beginning of the score... And 4/8 what might that suggest... The key might help too...

G3:A much less well known Strauss score (which may tell you something about its period), but this section is possibly the most beautiful piece of music in it. There is a big text direction that should be helpful for tracking it down.

G4:This is the outro of one of the most famous (and beautiful) arias of all time... Who could be guilty of this sort of scoring?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Guido on November 17, 2014, 05:31:15 PM
And Luke, yes, Brian Jordan's shutting down is extremely sad... heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 18, 2014, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: Guido on November 17, 2014, 05:31:15 PM
And Luke, yes, Brian Jordan's shutting down is extremely sad... heartbreaking.
It's sad to me, too, and I've only heard of it from you guys. It's a rarity to find a brick-and-mortar music store that stocks enough scores to be able to have fun browsing. Ordering online is no fun.

Clues to my scribbling:
1. This is the opening. Hum it (slowly) or play it on piano -- you'll recognize it.
2. This was overshadowed by a more famous piece.
5. Again -- hum it and you will recognize it, I think.
7. This is the first violin part of the last two measures.
13. Sounds as big as I wrote it. It always startles me when it starts -- especially since it comes after the fading-away previous movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on November 18, 2014, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on November 16, 2014, 02:05:25 AM
Other than the Ligeti VC, all of these are correct.
Ligeti PC/iv. Whatever. Same difference. :<

(I'm actually digitising all of my Ligeti CDs right now, that is to say 5 volumes of the Sony Ligeti Edition and 4 volumes of the Teldec Ligeti Project. Don't know why I never bothered to do that earlier. They've been sitting in storage in a shipping container for like... 6 months)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 18, 2014, 07:08:01 AM
Quote from: amw on November 18, 2014, 12:28:05 AM
Ligeti PC/iv. Whatever. Same difference. :<

(I'm actually digitising all of my Ligeti CDs right now, that is to say 5 volumes of the Sony Ligeti Edition and 4 volumes of the Teldec Ligeti Project. Don't know why I never bothered to do that earlier. They've been sitting in storage in a shipping container for like... 6 months)
Haha, I had to read that three times because I thought you said "digesting".

It's Ligeti. Not spaghetti.

Oh, and yeah. It's the PC, 4th movement. "Boiled eggs". Or "I got rhythm".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 18, 2014, 07:55:44 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on November 18, 2014, 12:20:29 AM
It's sad to me, too, and I've only heard of it from you guys. It's a rarity to find a brick-and-mortar music store that stocks enough scores to be able to have fun browsing. Ordering online is no fun.

Clues to my scribbling:
1. This is the opening. Hum it (slowly) or play it on piano -- you'll recognize it.
2. This was overshadowed by a more famous piece.
5. Again -- hum it and you will recognize it, I think.
7. This is the first violin part of the last two measures.
13. Sounds as big as I wrote it. It always startles me when it starts -- especially since it comes after the fading-away previous movement.

5 is from the harp part in the opening movement of Agon. I won't tell you how I got this one - serendipity perhaps - but it wasn't from humming.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 18, 2014, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 18, 2014, 07:55:44 AM
5 is from the harp part in the opening movement of Agon. I won't tell you how I got this one - serendipity perhaps - but it wasn't from humming.
Good. Well, I was thinking of the mandolin part when I wrote this out, but they double each other.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 20, 2014, 05:52:23 PM
Two more pages. Some of these are very easy. Halfway through writing it out I realized that 26 should start on an 'E' (all other pitches relative to the 'E').

23 is one of my favorite lyrical lines. Ever.

19 has a clue nearby (in the math, actually).

21 might be difficult because I don't remember how it is written out exactly. amw thinks very highly of this piece, if I remember correctly (so do I, for that matter).

EDIT: They are showing up upside-down, so you'll have to right-click "view image" to get it right-side up.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ltulhdele4xxe1d/Photo%20Nov%2020%2C%209%2039%2023%20PM.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/k8d52tt7c1477dc/Photo%20Nov%2020%2C%209%2039%2034%20PM.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 20, 2014, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on November 20, 2014, 05:52:23 PM
Two more pages. Some of these are very easy. Halfway through writing it out I realized that 26 should start on an 'E' (all other pitches relative to the 'E').

23 is one of my favorite lyrical lines. Ever.

19 has a clue nearby (in the math, actually).

21 might be difficult because I don't remember how it is written out exactly. amw thinks very highly of this piece, if I remember correctly (so do I, for that matter).

EDIT: They are showing up upside-down, so you'll have to right-click "view image" to get it right-side up.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ltulhdele4xxe1d/Photo%20Nov%2020%2C%209%2039%2023%20PM.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/k8d52tt7c1477dc/Photo%20Nov%2020%2C%209%2039%2034%20PM.jpg)

You've got to remember, any time you say something is really easy, it's guaranteed that people will find it really hard - especially since without tempo markings and context, the answers don't pop out so readily.

That said, I get these four right away:
18 - Bruckner 6
25 - Scherzo Mahler 7
26 - Debussy La Mer
27 - Brahms Double
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 20, 2014, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 20, 2014, 06:02:04 PM
You've got to remember, any time you say something is really easy, it's guaranteed that people will find it really hard - especially since without tempo markings and context, the answers don't pop out so readily.

That said, I get these four right away:
18 - Bruckner 6
25 - Scherzo Mahler 7
26 - Debussy La Mer
27 - Brahms Double
Yes to all four.

Maybe a better way for me to put it is to say that if these scores were posted as full pages, you would get them all for sure. There's nothing unusual/obscure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on November 20, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
17 - Asyla
19 - Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta
21 - Hamburg Concerto (yes, I do)
22 - Trois petites liturgies, I think
24 - Dance Suite
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on November 21, 2014, 01:44:04 AM
Quote from: amw on November 20, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
17 - Asyla
19 - Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta
21 - Hamburg Concerto (yes, I do)
22 - Trois petites liturgies, I think
24 - Dance Suite
All correct. The hint for the MSPC was the example of a "plucked violin string" just above it. This is that section in the second movement where the whole orchestra has pizzicato.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on November 21, 2014, 03:44:12 AM
Got here too late again, but 23 is Schoenberg op 9
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 25, 2014, 03:25:02 PM
Hi Guido!

How's geology?

Quote from: Guido on November 12, 2014, 12:57:07 PM
Maciek 176- is it lutoslawski?

Nope.

Not that it simplifies matters much, but I've expanded the illustration. It now contains both of the two last pages of the score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Maciek on November 25, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
I've replaced the image for 164 with a better transcription. 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on December 05, 2014, 09:53:55 PM
Eigenuser no. 20 (that was a clue?)  ELGAR Serenade for Strings, op. 20
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on December 06, 2014, 01:32:29 AM
Quote from: listener on December 05, 2014, 09:53:55 PM
Eigenuser no. 20 (that was a clue?)  ELGAR Serenade for Strings, op. 20
Yes! But the '20' was a coincidence! I didn't know the opus number.

Still missing 1, 2, 7, 14, and 15. I'll give answers soon if no one gets them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on December 06, 2014, 03:32:04 AM
1 looks like it might be Rachmaninoff Symphony no.2, 4th mvt
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on December 06, 2014, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: listener on December 06, 2014, 03:32:04 AM
1 looks like it might be Rachmaninoff Symphony no.2, 4th mvt
Roughly the same era, but a totally different school of thought as far as composing is concerned! If it helps, these are the first few notes of the entire piece (quietly, relatively slowly).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on December 07, 2014, 05:41:41 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on December 06, 2014, 01:32:29 AM
Yes! But the '20' was a coincidence! I didn't know the opus number.

Still missing 1, 2, 7, 14, and 15. I'll give answers soon if no one gets them.

1 -- Webern's Six Pieces for orchestra (beginning of the first one, though notated poorly from memory)
2 -- Debussy's Jeux, near the beginning (that mysterious 3/8 scherzo-like section after the slow introduction, with tambourine)
7 -- Bartok's Piano Concerto No. 2, the last couple of measures from the 1st violin part
14 -- Haydn's Symphony No. 79, the first few measures from the bassoon part
15 -- Messiaen's Chronochromie, the introduction, from the piccolo/flute, xylophone has something similar, too.

I'm surprised that no one got the Webern, but it was probably because I didn't remember it correctly. The notes are still correct, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on December 27, 2014, 02:47:50 AM
25. One of the scores I got for Christmas.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/d4llai5dnua85ou/Nathan23.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lescamil on January 01, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on December 27, 2014, 02:47:50 AM
25. One of the scores I got for Christmas.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/d4llai5dnua85ou/Nathan23.jpg)

Looks like Morton Feldman's Coptic Light.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 02, 2015, 03:28:39 AM
Quote from: lescamil on January 01, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
Looks like Morton Feldman's Coptic Light.
Nice!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on January 28, 2015, 08:21:16 PM
bump to get them out of the way, repeating the images to save looking for them
607  is quite a familiar number,     608 does not appear to have been danced to, 610 is waiting for an unusual soloist, should be a snap.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 30, 2015, 06:09:49 AM
Quote from: listener on January 28, 2015, 08:21:16 PM
bump to get them out of the way, repeating the images to save looking for them
607  is quite a familiar number,     608 does not appear to have been danced to, 610 is waiting for an unusual soloist, should be a snap.
607 is Honegger's Pacific 2.3.1.

608 looks kind of like Bartok, but I can't tell. Is it Dance of the Trees from The Wooden Prince?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on January 30, 2015, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 30, 2015, 06:09:49 AM
607 is Honegger's Pacific 2.3.1 YES

608 looks kind of like Bartok, but I can't tell. Is it Dance of the Trees from The Wooden Prince?
nope, American.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 06, 2015, 12:49:44 AM
610 is Maxwell Davies - Orkney Wedding With Sunrise. With my recent investigations into piobaireachd that proved a bit of a cinch!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 06, 2015, 07:21:38 AM
Luke I'm wondering if you know of any art music for bagpipes? Nine notes and an outdoors level volume seems to mean nobody writes for it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 06, 2015, 08:53:43 AM
Well, there's the above Maxwell Davies piece, famously. Tavener's Celtic Requiem has a bagpipe part IIRC.... I will think about it some more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 06, 2015, 09:02:35 AM
Harmonicas, all right.  Accordions, sure.  Musical saws, why not?

But bagpipes may just be where the line is drawn . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 06, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Once, I'd have agreed with you. Maybe I still do... but since I've been immersing myself in all that stuff I get it more, I have to say. Maybe not in an 'art music' context, but in its place. Watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-M7WUqUxN8)

OK, these aren't the great highland pipes of fame and cliche, these are smallpipes, quieter, more intimate, but the repertoire is the same, this a proper piobaireachd, and from Skye, too...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 06, 2015, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 06, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Once, I'd have agreed with you. Maybe I still do... but since I've been immersing myself in all that stuff I get it more, I have to say. Maybe not in an 'art music' context, but in its place. Watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-M7WUqUxN8)

OK, these aren't the great highland pipes of fame and cliche, these are smallpipes, quieter, more intimate, but the repertoire is the same, this a proper piobaireachd, and from Skye, too...

I'm but jesting, anyway . . . one of my colleagues here in Boston, Dan Meyers, plays (among many things other) smallish pipes.  Come to think of it, I should write a chamber piece . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 06, 2015, 12:56:51 PM
Very pleasant...

I do have a bagpiping friend, long term member of the Wolverhampton Pipe Band. Just bought himself some sort of electronic practice chanter, similar sounding to that on the link.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on May 06, 2015, 05:08:34 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 06, 2015, 12:49:44 AM
610 is Maxwell Davies - Orkney Wedding With Sunrise. With my recent investigations into piobaireachd that proved a bit of a cinch!
Quite right, I had thought the 'Scotch snap' (the opposite of the Hungarian one) might have been a clue.   To finish off that set, the remaining one is Henry Cowell's Synchrony.   The opening two-and-a-half (or thereabouts) minute trumpet solo might have been a clearer lead.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 06, 2015, 05:15:11 PM
Quote from: listener on May 06, 2015, 05:08:34 PM
Quite right, I had thought the 'Scotch snap' (the opposite of the Hungarian one) might have been a clue.   To finish off that set, the remaining one is Henry Cowell's Synchrony.   The opening two-and-a-half (or thereabouts) minute trumpet solo might have been a clearer lead.

Sorry, don't know either of those works, and as for bagpiping my response is not unlike Shylock's mention of those who "when the bagpipe sings i' th' nose, / Cannot contain their urine." Is then everything guessed? It's taken only four months to resolve these two. Perhaps I should upload a few myself, and cause a few headaches too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 07, 2015, 07:45:10 AM
I'm calling at my local library tomorrow, and will take my camera. Their collection of scores isn't going to be much and indeed might not exist at all but if there are any guidelines to a good quote to think about let me know, I guess.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 07, 2015, 07:50:41 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 06, 2015, 07:21:38 AM
Luke I'm wondering if you know of any art music for bagpipes? Nine notes and an outdoors level volume seems to mean nobody writes for it.

Verdi uses an Italian bagpipe, which he calls a cornamusa, in the second act of Otello (the choral passage serenading Desdemona). But I'll be damned if it's ever registered on me in performance one way or another.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 07, 2015, 08:04:56 AM
Okay, I didn't know that; I can say I bought the Levine recording years ago.

You'd think someone would have a go at writing a concerto.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2015, 05:55:09 AM
Extracts here from eleven solo keyboard works, ten for piano and one for harpsichord, by eleven composers, mostly if not all core repertory; many are near the start of the work, with some at the end. How you might work them out is a minor mystery to me...

A
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/012_zps8reszzmj.jpg)

B
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/011_zpsudliu05g.jpg)

C
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/010_zpsulf8qojc.jpg)

D
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/008_zpssobgeyiy.jpg)

E
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/007_zpsbggflgxu.jpg)

F
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/006_zpskozrhxum.jpg)

G
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/005_zpscrimagvr.jpg)

H
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/004_zpsmax46sxq.jpg)

I
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/003_zpsoc2l7dmm.jpg)

J
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/002_zpsbqwqmnlu.jpg)

K
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/001_zps7drhmebb.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 08, 2015, 05:57:11 AM
Well, I cannot see the images here . . . and I expect Luke & Larry will have them all taped out by the time I get to a computer where I can view the scores  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2015, 06:13:27 AM
Karl, my library must have binned its orchestral short scores years ago, along with most of its other books...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 08, 2015, 06:24:27 AM
I know most of these from years of playing them at the piano. So as not to cheat, these are off the top of my head:

B - Child falling asleep from Schumann's Kinderszenen
C - Definitely Liszt, probably one of the Liebestraume
D - Brahms, Capriccio in C from op. 119
E - I first wrote Haydn, but now I think it's stylistically more like Mozart, must check
* Edited to add: Ah yes, of course, the Mozart K 283 in G. The excerpt is in D major, which briefly threw me.
F - Schubert, one of the A major piano sonatas
G - slow movement of Beethoven op. 10/1
H - Scarlatti sonata in E
I - Joplin Maple Leaf Rag
K - a Chopin nocturne, I believe op. 9/3 in B

As for the others, my guesses are that A is by CPE Bach and J by Prokofiev. More sleuthing needed there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 08, 2015, 06:51:54 AM
No, not Prokofiev. The font is all wrong for his work, and I can't find this music in my book of the sonatas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2015, 08:03:48 AM
Amazing reply, Sforz, you must be one serious player.

You're right with these, of course

B  Schumann Scenes from childhood
D  Brahms Pieces for piano, op.119- No.3
G  Beethoven Piano sonata No.5
I  Joplin Maple leaf rag

Also very close with C, E, F, H and K.

Slightly further out with A and J, if not much; indeed not Prokofiev but the right nationality...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 08, 2015, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 08, 2015, 08:03:48 AM
Amazing reply, Sforz, you must be one serious player.

You're right with these, of course

B  Schumann Scenes from childhood
D  Brahms Pieces for piano, op.119- No.3
G  Beethoven Piano sonata No.5
I  Joplin Maple leaf rag

Also very close with C, E, F, H and K.

Slightly further out with A and J, if not much; indeed not Prokofiev but the right nationality...

Not sure what you mean by "very close." I'm sure I have the Mozart, Chopin, and Schubert right. And I'm sure of the Scarlatti. Can't pinpoint the Liszt however; now that I checked it's not a Liebestraum, and the guy wrote only 6,000 pieces of music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 08, 2015, 09:43:02 AM
Got here too late as usual!  >:(  I'd have got the ones Larry got; the Liszt is one of the Consolations.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 08, 2015, 09:51:37 AM
And the Chopin is definitely op 9/3, Larry's right.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
A Haydn Piano sonata No.23
B Schumann Scenes from childhood
C Liszt Consolations No.3
D Brahms Pieces for piano, op.119- No.3
E  Mozart Piano sonata No.5
F  Schubert Piano sonata No.13
G  Beethoven Piano sonata No.5
H  Scarlatti Harpsichord sonata No.380
I  Joplin Maple leaf rag
J  Shostakovich Piano sonata No.1
K  Chopin Nocture No.1

I'm afraid for any more I'd have to go to Birmingham my nearby city for a good library. My local library is a disturbing experience, LPs gone, CDs gone, scores gone, computers in, moronic clientele in. You think I'm crackers with my ideas that there's little further to be said by our civilization?

Luke, I thought it was op.9/1, probably my mistake. Or the compilation book's.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 08, 2015, 10:18:28 AM
op 9/1 is B flat minor. This one is no 3 for sure.

Just a guess - is J Kapustin? It's very densely written....but Kapustin's usually even denser than this. Still, there are similarities. OTOH, it doesn't remind me of any of his pieces specifically....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2015, 10:20:30 AM
A new name to me...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 08, 2015, 11:26:10 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 08, 2015, 09:56:19 AM
A Haydn Piano sonata No.23
B Schumann Scenes from childhood
C Liszt Consolations No.3
D Brahms Pieces for piano, op.119- No.3
E  Mozart Piano sonata No.5
F  Schubert Piano sonata No.13
G  Beethoven Piano sonata No.5
H  Scarlatti Harpsichord sonata No.380
I  Joplin Maple leaf rag
J  Shostakovich Piano sonata No.1
K  Chopin Nocture No.1

I'm afraid for any more I'd have to go to Birmingham my nearby city for a good library. My local library is a disturbing experience, LPs gone, CDs,gone, scores gone, computers in, moronic clientele in. You think I'm crackers with my ideas that there's little further to be said by our civilization?

Luke, I thought it was op.9/1, probably my mistake. Or the compilation book's.

Oh, you're looking for numbers for the Schubert and Haydn. But those are very unreliable; different editions will use different number systems and the only reliable ones are the standard catalogues like Deutsch for Schubert. There are at least two and probably three standard numbering systems for Scarlatti as is.

As for libraries, I share your pain. There's a good reason I've held onto all my scores, purchased over a period of 50 years or more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 08, 2015, 11:37:29 AM
Yes indeed Sforz.

I'm good at being a critical bastard.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 08, 2015, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 08, 2015, 09:43:02 AM
Got here too late as usual!  >:(  I'd have got the ones Larry got; the Liszt is one of the Consolations.

I must have a copy of that somewhere. I knew it looked familiar. But I wouldn't have known the Shostakovich. Luke, you and I will have start posting a new set sometime soon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 08, 2015, 11:55:37 AM
You're right. I've got a few new things which might be interesting...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 09, 2015, 03:10:35 PM
Here are three to be going on with. More soon, I hope...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 09, 2015, 03:19:48 PM
Just realised that I've set another part of the first of those new ones before - and it was identified, too, so it shouldn't be too hard to get again. I've set so many hundreds on this thread now that it's no surprise if I lose track!

As compensation, here's another one. Hope I've never set it before...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 09, 2015, 03:26:26 PM
Two more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 09, 2015, 06:04:31 PM
Leave it to Luke to come up with scores no one can possibly get. The I am not a crook one has to refer to Tricky Dick Nixon, but the only Nixon opera I know about is Adams's Nixon in China, and I don't believe these passages occur there.

So I'm striking out on all counts.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 09, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
I'd recommend playing through 3 and 4 at the piano, at least. They ought to be fairly easy to trace then.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on May 09, 2015, 06:43:11 PM
03 is Fauré's Souvenir de Bayreuth! That piece confused the hell out of me when I first heard it, then I listened to some Wagner and it became hilarious.

01 is something Scottish and bagpipey maybe?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on May 09, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
Difficult to read on my iPhone but 02 looks like John Foulds Ghandarva Music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 09, 2015, 10:45:55 PM
01 isn't Messiaen I suppose...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 09, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
The Fauré is correct. And I agree, of course - it is hilarious, and this is possibly my favourite page for its laugh-quotient, especially the 'Rheingold' and 'Rheinmaiden' leitmotives turned into a sort of skipping-along Dvorakian polka at the foot of the page... You can almost hear the pin puncturing the pomposity.

So is the Foulds, a fascinating and weird piece which he tells us was dictated 'clairaudiently.' Ghandarva, as Foulds describes them, are the angels of music in Hindu thought, and it was they who brought this piece to him, he says.

And, yes, no 1 is 'Scottish and bagpipey.' A fairly distinct texture, that.

Finally Larry was right, of course, about the Nixon ref, but wrong to assume that it's an opera. In fact, a closer look at the music tells you what kind of a piece is being written here. (There's a 3rd one on the same page, but I couldn't fit them all in easily.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 09, 2015, 11:59:45 PM
Bagpipes and Nixon, all very intriguing, but a bit beyond me. The Adams' opera of course is set in 1972, before the scandal.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 12:21:29 AM
To be clear, no 1 isn't for bagpipes. It just has a bagpipe texture. This is what bagpipe music looks like, written down (well, one version of how it can look, there are different varieties). My plan is to write a piece based on this particular piobaireachd at some point in the future, btw:

:) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 10, 2015, 02:44:50 AM
Is no. 1 Chisholm, then?  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 05:22:03 AM
Yep. And there's not much choice as to what it can be, really. Especially not as I said I'd already posted this piece before. So I'll just confirm it - it's from Chisholm's amazing Piobaireachd - no2 , actually. Chisholm's an incredible composer - anyone else know his piano concerti? This disc:

(http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/jpegs/034571178806.png)

is such a winner, absolutely extraordinary. Check it out and read the notes on its Hyperion page (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67880). Then buy it. Just fantastic.

Just to make me love him even more, he was also one of the UK's first Janacek experts. I have his lovely not-so-little volume on the operas in my hands right now, in fact.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 10, 2015, 06:11:35 AM
On YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gpD9-pe8k
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 07:45:57 AM
lovely! - that's the number from Piobaireachd which I posted as my mystery score above; this following one is the one I played in my concert last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCNYjcDf77Q


....and btw the piobaireachd that that one is based on, Lament for the Harp Tree, is the one whose last page is transcribed in that complex page of bagpipe notation I posted a couple of posts ago (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3125.msg892034.html#msg892034).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 10, 2015, 08:49:04 AM
Thanks Luke.

A lifelong friend of mine plays here in the centre

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1HK_rInl85Y/0.jpg)

And second from right
(https://mail.yandex.com/message_part/st-patricks-day-parade-in-birmingham.jpg?_uid=264518297&name=st-patricks-day-parade-in-birmingham.jpg&hid=1.2&ids=2480000004878315540&no_disposition=y&exif_rotate=y)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 10, 2015, 09:39:04 AM
Nine here quoted in a book, mostly in reduced forms...

L
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/a_zpsx3tmxyil.jpg)

M
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/b_zpsgm7g0f85.jpg)

N
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/c_zpsotbuedif.jpg)

O
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/d_zpsgumejrqn.jpg)

P
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/e_zpsbebtqlhw.jpg)

Q
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/f_zpstkbu7am2.jpg)

R
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/g_zpskzfjbocw.jpg)

S
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/h_zpsgcmj0mpm.jpg)

T
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m71/SeanMcHugh02/x%20Various/i_zpsyxvkymuc.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 10:22:39 AM
L = Mozart Symphony no 40
M = Schubert Unfinished
N = Janacek Cunning Little Vixen (bless you!)
O = I can hear it in my head but can't remember what it is yet!
P = Mozart Don Giovanni
Q = Humperdinck Hansel and Gretel
R = Bach WTC I
S = same as O!
T = Smetana, Vltava
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 10:29:13 AM
S is Berg, of course. Lulu. The palindrome gives it away.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 10, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Hey, eight out of nine; O is a different work but you're close, it's for soprano and orchestra. I'm well mystified as to how you do this, clearly a score reader extraordinaire...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 12:21:19 PM
Oh, it's Erwartung (Schoenberg, obviously). I've never seen it in vocal score before.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 10, 2015, 12:24:41 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: Sean on May 10, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Hey, eight out of nine; O is a different work but you're close, it's for soprano and orchestra. I'm well mystified as to how you do this, clearly a score reader extraordinaire...

FWIW when I said S is 'same as O' what I meant was I couldn't recall it either, not that it was the same piece...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 10, 2015, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 10, 2015, 12:26:39 PM
FWIW when I said S is 'same as O' what I meant was I couldn't recall it either, not that it was the same piece...

That's how I read you.  Especially as you later caught Berg for S.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 10, 2015, 12:45:23 PM
(http://www.clivejames.com/files/images/20080314_sherlock_holmes.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2015, 01:20:02 PM
Good thing for you both I was out of the house these past six hours . . . .   ;D

(Sean usually gives very easy ones, while Luke gives very hard ones.)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2015, 01:30:50 PM
Do you know the Faure piece I set, Sfz? It's fun!

Here with score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2cdus04GoU
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 10, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
I guess I do see much more fear than fun in this kind of thing. Wagner shows confidence but not overconfidence to be debunked; it would be far easier to send up French sensitivity or Italian verismo. Wagner's enormous structures were far beyond any French mind and most of them bar Faure were under his influence for good reasons.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 10, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 10, 2015, 01:30:50 PM
Do you know the Faure piece I set, Sfz? It's fun!

Here with score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2cdus04GoU

I do now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 11, 2015, 04:00:37 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 10, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
I guess I do see much more fear than fun in this kind of thing. Wagner shows confidence but not overconfidence to be debunked; it would be far easier to send up French sensitivity or Italian verismo. Wagner's enormous structures were far beyond any French mind and most of them bar Faure were under his influence for good reasons.

I'm not sure about easier - it's not exactly difficult to send up Wagnerian pomposity. Faure knew his Wagner very, very, well indeed, but he was too much his own man to be too susceptible to influence. Therefore he was in the perfect position to admire and understand Wagner without being swamped by him, at the same time as - as you say - many other French composers couldn't stay out of the thrall of the Beast of Bayreuth. (Of course later on Satie and then Debussy and so on found their way out of the Teutonic forests....).

But you're right, I think, to diagnose a kind of fear in this. A fear of what Wagner represents, musically - the hugeness, the overwhelming power, the mists and shadows and subjective magics... The way to counteract that is by puncturing it with the sort of cosmopolitan, quotidian humour and fleet-footed thought that the French can do so well, as here. It does remind me a bit of e.g. Chaplin's puncturing of Hitler by sending up his own tropes and motifs...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2015, 06:48:00 AM
I wouldn't say that Wagner is pompous, though indeed there's a rather declamatory and naturalistic tradition of production that doesn't work well and panders to particular audiences. A little abstraction changes everything and focuses the attention on librettos' sophistication instead; I went to a Haitink Meistersinger once that was so foolishly wrongheaded for the Covent Garden lot that I had to walk out, whereas I've seen a profound Tristan and Parsifal where much more was gained through less.

I do get fed up with this notion of the cute French reaction to Wagner, as though their whimsy is suddenly justified; I remember a Poulenc seminar once where this was done, and a Wagner concert that was contrasted with some Ravel. I basically disagree that there's any significant insincerity in Wagner, this also being to take a stand against the prevailing academic view.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 06:50:41 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 11, 2015, 06:48:00 AM
I wouldn't say that Wagner is pompous [....]

That alone is telling  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2015, 07:07:32 AM
(http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/idolatry-for-beginners.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 07:13:07 AM
Quote from: Sean on May 11, 2015, 06:48:00 AM
I basically disagree that there's any significant insincerity in Wagner, this also being to take a stand against the prevailing academic view.

He is entirely sincere in his pomposity, no argument there.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Sean on May 11, 2015, 07:28:10 AM
 :blank:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 07:40:38 AM
Thread Duty:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 07:52:17 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on May 11, 2015, 07:56:43 AM
The Firebird by Stravinsky for the big orchestral score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: Cato on May 11, 2015, 07:56:43 AM
The Firebird by Stravinsky for the big orchestral score.
Aye.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2015, 08:34:35 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 11, 2015, 08:12:27 AM
Aye.

#4 in vocal score is from the first act prelude to Wagner's Die Walkuere.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 08:36:39 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2015, 08:34:35 AM
#4 in vocal score is from the first act prelude to Wagner's Die Walkuere.

Jawohl.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2015, 08:44:15 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 11, 2015, 08:36:39 AM
Jawohl.

By the font, I'd say the violin concerto is by a Russian; however, since it's not Prokofiev or Shosty, I'll make a wild guess (since I don't know the piece) and say it could be the Khatchaturian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Cato on May 11, 2015, 08:48:55 AM
I do not recall ever hearing the work, but is the two-piano work the Sonata by Stravinsky?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2015, 08:55:18 AM
Quote from: Cato on May 11, 2015, 08:48:55 AM
I do not recall ever hearing the work, but is the two-piano work the Sonata by Stravinsky?

I doubt it. I may have a score, but I'm too lazy to go to the other room and check. But doesn't look his style at all. My first guess would be Richard Strauss, perhaps a 2-piano reduction from an opera.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2015, 08:44:15 AM
By the font, I'd say the violin concerto is by a Russian; however, since it's not Prokofiev or Shosty, I'll make a wild guess (since I don't know the piece) and say it could be the Khatchaturian.

Actually not a vn cto, so the way I extracted it is misleading; it is [a portion of] an ensemble accompanying a voice, and I wanted a passage without voice so as not to give the fact that it is Russian away.  But, yes, by a Russian;  not by Khatchaturian, though.

Quote from: Cato on May 11, 2015, 08:48:55 AM
I do not recall ever hearing the work, but is the two-piano work the Sonata by Stravinsky?

It is not . . . and it is actually from a two-piano adaptation of a work for one piano (well, I think the one-piano version was first . . . .)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 08:59:52 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 09:07:35 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 09:19:16 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 09:49:35 AM
These are my last for today . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
Blimey! All whilst I was driving home - quick work!

Hmm, these are harder. The following jumped out at me, but some of the others looked familiar...

9 is Venus from the Planets (Holst).
10 is Langaard, I think. Music of the Spheres.
11 is Ockeghem, Missa Prolationem, I think (can't get to my score to check)
12 is Prokofiev Classical Symphony
13 looks like Mompou, not the Musica Callada so presumably one of the 'Cancion y Danza' set

I'll look at the others more closely now.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:33:20 AM
Oh, is 6 Shostakovich 7? I thought it was an orchestration of one of op 87 at first, but that was stupid of me...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
And 5 looks like RVW, Phantasy Quintet?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:37:00 AM
Has 3 been identified? For some reason it looks like Busoni. Could it be the two piano version of the Fantasia Contrapuntistica? I haven't heard that for years!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2015, 10:39:33 AM
14 could be Stravinsky. 15 I believe is from the Machaut mass.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:37:00 AM
Has 3 been identified? For some reason it looks like Busoni. Could it be the two piano version of the Fantasia Contrapuntistica? I haven't heard that for years!

Quote from: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
And 5 looks like RVW, Phantasy Quintet?

Quote from: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:33:20 AM
Oh, is 6 Shostakovich 7? I thought it was an orchestration of one of op 87 at first, but that was stupid of me...

Quote from: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
Blimey! All whilst I was driving home - quick work!

Hmm, these are harder. The following jumped out at me, but some of the others looked familiar...

9 is Venus from the Planets (Holst).
10 is Langaard, I think. Music of the Spheres.
11 is Ockeghem, Missa Prolationem, I think (can't get to my score to check)
12 is Prokofiev Classical Symphony
13 looks like Mompou, not the Musica Callada so presumably one of the 'Cancion y Danza' set

I'll look at the others more closely now.

Yes, although the Mompou is the second of the Impresiones intimas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:45:37 AM
Yes, I thought the Machaut, but then I thought that falling scale figure is only in the Kyrie. But I think you're right, it's elsewhere too, isn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 11, 2015, 10:46:34 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 11, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Yes, although the Mompou is the second of the Impresiones intimas.

Still, pleased - I got that it was Mompou from the ritenuto marking, mainly!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2015, 10:46:50 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 11, 2015, 10:39:33 AM
14 could be Stravinsky. 15 I believe is from the Machaut mass.

Yes, from the Danses concertantes, and yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 04:26:40 AM
Some (all?) of these are probably on the easy side, but since three of my batch from yesterday are arguably obscure-ish . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 04:27:23 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 04:28:17 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 04:28:47 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 04:29:09 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 12, 2015, 06:19:43 AM
Actually I think these are a bit harder, but then I'm very tired today. These are guesses, I haven't checked yet, I will in a minute though.

2 - Mahler 9
4 - Nielsen Flute Concerto
5 - Rachmaninov PC4
6 - RVW - Mass
9 - Stravinsky - Movements
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 06:23:05 AM
The Rakh Third Concerto, but other than that erratum, all sound.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 12, 2015, 06:49:52 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 12, 2015, 06:23:05 AM
The Rakh Third Concerto, but other than that erratum, all sound.

Yes, I was just about to alter that - for some reason I saw a single sharp in the key sig, so assumed G, which = the 4th. Then I saw it was a flat, which meant the 3rd. I was going by look more than sound, see (and in fact there are pages of the Rach 4 which looks almost like this one)....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 06:51:26 AM
:-)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 12, 2015, 06:55:18 AM
Oh, and that first one is the Beethoven Pastoral Symphony, of course. Stupid of me...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 12, 2015, 06:57:11 AM
10 looks like Hindemith or someone like that, but I can't say more at the moment...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 07:03:51 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 12, 2015, 06:55:18 AM
Oh, and that first one is the Beethoven Pastoral Symphony, of course.

Yes, though I did have a go at finding a page less obvious than many  :)

Quote from: Luke on May 12, 2015, 06:57:11 AM
10 looks like Hindemith or someone like that, but I can't say more at the moment...

Hindemith it is, indeed!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2015, 07:08:18 AM
As to nos. 1, 7 & 8 from yesterday (gosh, I ought not to have re-set to 1 today, eh?) two of the three are certainly lesser-known works by their composers;  the third might arguably be an almost completely obscure work by a generally well-represented composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 12, 2015, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 12, 2015, 06:55:18 AM
Oh, and that first one is the Beethoven Pastoral Symphony, of course. Stupid of me...

Figures, Luke knows the most obscure one of the lot.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 12, 2015, 11:00:59 PM
 ;D  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 12:59:03 AM
A few more to be getting on with...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 01:01:21 AM
...another...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 01:02:38 AM
...another (there are two here, but they are taken from different numbers from a single set, which is I suppose what I'm looking for; I only put both in for fun)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 01:03:53 AM
...more...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 01:05:17 AM
....last three for now...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2015, 02:53:43 AM
Wow, I'm not doing well on any of these. But 15 looks like it could be from a Disney movie score or Looney Tunes or that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:00:49 AM
Yes, very close. You will almost certainly have seen the super-famous film itself (one of the most iconic films imaginable, in fact), and though the music here is certainly not one of the most famous pages, it does contain a quotation from another piece which might jog your memory, as someone like you will probably have spotted it if/when you've seen the film.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:01:53 AM
I also think 8, 10 and 11 are pretty gettable. The others would need a bit more work, maybe.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2015, 03:04:58 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:00:49 AM
Yes, very close. You will almost certainly have seen the super-famous film itself (one of the most iconic films imaginable, in fact), and though the music here is certainly not one of the most famous pages, it does contain a quotation from another piece which might jog your memory, as someone like you will probably have spotted it if/when you've seen the film.

The Wizard of Oz?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:06:50 AM
Yes, Professor Marvel...
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Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:12:16 AM
This quotation - the 'Merry Peasant' from Schumann's Album for the Young - is used a couple of times early on, before the cyclone and 'Over the Rainbow,' associated with Dorothy and her homely schoolgirl's adventures
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 03:19:52 AM
14 reminds me of Hoketus (in its process . . . I think the actual score for Hoketus is more specific).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2015, 03:25:51 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:06:50 AM
Yes, Professor Marvel...

The Merry Peasant (or Farmer), of course! I do know that one in the F major piano version, but who would have thunk it from the glittering orchestration. (And where do you get these scores, anyway?)

Along these lines, have you picked up from that film what seems like a direct quotation from Mendelssohn's Scherzo in E minor, op. 16/2? I knew the film before the piece, and then I opened the Mendelssohn one day and said, they stole that for the film! I guess that's how Hollywood worked in those days. I think it's used in the sections where the witch's monkeys are flying around. If you've got the whole film score, please have a look.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:44:41 AM
Karl - it isHoketus - that's the score I have, I've never seen another, but I can easily imagine a realised performing version being more specific.

Larry -I will take a look. Watch this space...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 03:48:04 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:44:41 AM
Karl - it is Hoketus - that's the score I have, I've never seen another, but I can easily imagine a realised performing version being more specific.

Cool!  One's memory is a dicey thing, but I have what I take for a vivid memory of listening to the piece while reading the score with Louis in the room at Buffalo.  But that detail (the sort-of-image of the score I seem still to have in view) may be mistaken!  Of course, the important thing is, I got to know the piece so well that, seeing this score of your'n, I immediately made the association  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:56:10 AM
Actually, Larry, I don't need to look - as soon as I reminded myself of the Mendelsshon I realised you are right. I've played WOOZ from vocal score thousands of times for school productions etc, and there's a brief passage which I always knew reminded me of something else. Now I know what. I'll post a score comparison in a couple of minutes....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:57:35 AM
Identical!!! Tut tut tut.  >:( It's more obvious comparing the vocal score to Mendelssohn's original, too. I wonder if you can work out which is which  ;)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:59:45 AM
...this is the orchestral realisation in WOOZ:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 04:01:14 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 13, 2015, 03:48:04 AM
Cool!  One's memory is a dicey thing, but I have what I take for a vivid memory of listening to the piece while reading the score with Louis in the room at Buffalo.  But that detail (the sort-of-image of the score I seem still to have in view) may be mistaken!  Of course, the important thing is, I got to know the piece so well that, seeing this score of your'n, I immediately made the association  :)

You lucky fella!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2015, 04:28:33 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 13, 2015, 03:57:35 AM
Identical!!! Tut tut tut.  >:( It's more obvious comparing the vocal score to Mendelssohn's original, too. I wonder if you can work out which is which  ;)

I haven't a clue. But it may be that Hollywood in those days didn't mind pilfering various public-domain scores for the incidental filler music (while of course the main songs were originals). I remember also a sentimental '30's movie - it may have been That Hamilton Woman, but I don't want to pull it up off YouTube to check - where the background music included Chopin's Rainbow Prelude, Tchaikovsky's None but the Lonely Heart, etc.

Personally, I find this kind of discussion much more interesting than all the tut-tutting about "who's going to be the maestro," and that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 04:31:06 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 04:31:17 AM
Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 04:33:09 AM
Your mystery scores generally mystify me so utterly, I rather surprised myself by picking up Louis there . . . .

(To be clear: I do enjoy the mystification!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 04:43:30 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 13, 2015, 04:28:33 AM
I haven't a clue. But it may be that Hollywood in those days didn't mind pilfering various public-domain scores for the incidental filler music (while of course the main songs were originals). I remember also a sentimental '30's movie - it may have been That Hamilton Woman, but I don't want to pull it up off YouTube to check - where the background music included Chopin's Rainbow Prelude, Tchaikovsky's None but the Lonely Heart, etc.

And of course, not quite note-for-note pilfering, but certainly not far off at all, is this sort of thing, from much later. This is only one of the most blatant examples (and in fact one can find more such examples without even looking further than these two pieces, as there are more striking similarities than just this passage). I'm not decrying it, either - when one needs to write the vast reams of effective music a film score calls for it is inevitable one is going to fall back on successful examples from the past for help. Merely observing...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 04:45:27 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 04:46:01 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 13, 2015, 04:33:09 AM
Your mystery scores generally mystify me so utterly, I rather surprised myself by picking up Louis there . . . .

(To be clear: I do enjoy the mystification!)

Pleased to hear it! As I've said before, I like to choose ones which have something interesting about them too, not just ones which are hard to identify. If I was just looking for the later I would choose others than the ones I do choose. I also try to choose pages which show the interesting feature - as in the Schumann quotation from WOOZ - and hopefully these are clues, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 04:49:31 AM
I appreciate that!  My own selections tend to be far less imaginative.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 04:49:57 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 13, 2015, 04:45:27 AM
Yup.

To my mind there's less of an excuse when a less pressed-for-time composer than Williams engages in this sort of thing, and I'm reminded of a composite image I posted last September in a little post-identification discussion of a mystery scores by Walter Niemann which I'd posted. Here it is again:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 05:01:55 AM
Yikes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 05:02:43 AM
Discovering just how rhetorical a question Has he no shame? really is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 05:11:33 AM
Here's another similarity that's always intrigued me but one in which a) I am not implying any sort of copying, at most something subconscious, and b) if there is a connection between the two the model is so utterly overwhelmed by the later work that it is almost embarrassing. With that proviso - I've always wondered if Mahler was in any way thinking of this little storm in D minor (moving to consolatory D major at the end):
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 05:11:45 AM
....when he wrote this one (with many similarities more than the ones already indicated, including similar figurations and chromatically sliding progression grinding against pedal notes):
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 05:15:15 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 13, 2015, 05:02:43 AM
Discovering just how rhetorical a question Has he no shame? really is.

Exactly! Or is it a form of homage? After all, he's hardly attempting to hide his sources, is he? Calling 'his version' of the Ravel Sonatine a 'little sonata (French)' is just as blatant as calling 'his version' of Grieg's 'Schmetterling' ...erm... 'Schmetterling.'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 05:15:58 AM
Why reinvent the wheel?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 05:19:23 AM
Well, exactly. But excuse me, I have to get back to my latest piano sonata. It's a two movement work, first movement all striving, pounding drama in C minor, second movement a rather spiritual little set of variations in the major, each more unearthly than the last. It ends garlanded with trills. Sounds good, no?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 05:21:28 AM
Jesus Himself would smack you . . . .
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Post by: Luke on May 13, 2015, 05:26:53 AM
Who? Me?   0:)  0:)




>:D  >:D

(and btw that little emoti-dichot-icon  -  >:D  0:) - does rather sum up Beethoven's op 111 my new sonata for this short-attention-span digital age of ours, don't you think?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 13, 2015, 06:00:59 AM
Quite tidily!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on May 14, 2015, 05:39:41 PM
#10 is the SCHULZ-EVLER Arabesques on themes from "The Beautiful Blue Danube".
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 15, 2015, 12:06:44 AM
That's the one - a piece which opens with an absurdly high notes-per-second rate!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on May 15, 2015, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 13, 2015, 05:15:15 AM
Exactly! Or is it a form of homage? After all, he's hardly attempting to hide his sources, is he? Calling 'his version' of the Ravel Sonatine a 'little sonata (French)' is just as blatant as calling 'his version' of Grieg's 'Schmetterling' ...erm... 'Schmetterling.'
Yes I'm a little curious about Niemann actually, I wonder what led him to write the kinds of things he did. (Not just in these works but in many other of his piano cycles I've looked at... he's sort of the ultimate epigone, no "personal style" to speak of) He's almost completely unknown, which is fitting I guess, but as someone whose compositions are arguably just as epigonic I guess I sense a kindred spirit or something ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on May 15, 2015, 01:34:36 AM
is karlhenning's 12 the 'Rhenish' cathedral movement? It seems like it ought to be.

and his 10 is Hindemith's second quartet op. 10... and 8 is Shostakovich's 1st I think? from the scherzo? 7 is Haydn, maybe op. 42 but I'm not willing to commit to an opus right now >.>

I'm not going to guess any of Luke's atm, I'd likely be way off
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 15, 2015, 02:51:58 AM
Quote from: amw on May 15, 2015, 01:34:36 AM
is karlhenning's 12 the 'Rhenish' cathedral movement? It seems like it ought to be.

I'll answer for him and say yes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 15, 2015, 03:17:53 AM
And the Hindemith Op.10, Shostakovich Op. 10 are right.  Haydn is right, as well.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 15, 2015, 10:13:25 AM
Quote from: amw on May 15, 2015, 01:22:39 AM
Yes I'm a little curious about Niemann actually, I wonder what led him to write the kinds of things he did. (Not just in these works but in many other of his piano cycles I've looked at... he's sort of the ultimate epigone, no "personal style" to speak of) He's almost completely unknown, which is fitting I guess, but as someone whose compositions are arguably just as epigonic I guess I sense a kindred spirit or something ;)

An intriguing post! It makes me very curious to see/hear your music!

BTW, I'm 100% certain that if at least some of mine were looked at in detail, their identity would be pretty clear. There are some them which I am sure many of you must remember...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on May 16, 2015, 11:38:20 AM
Luke 2015 - 11a   ROSSINI: Un petit train de plaisir
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 16, 2015, 12:39:15 PM
That's the one - we hear the bell ringing at the station, the passengers getting in the carriages, the train setting off and eventually (with a devilish whistle and a squeal of brakes) stopping. Then off it sets again but this time - oh horror! - there is a catastrophic collision (seemingly with a pile-up of diminished sevenths). The train crashes. Many are injured. Some die. Some ascend to heaven, some go down to hell. A funeral follows, with many apparently 'sorrowful' heirs (but C major, allegro vivace...).

Rossini, eh? These pieces are gems...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 16, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
Still waiting for the one which I thought you'd all remember....  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 16, 2015, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 16, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
Still waiting for the one which I thought you'd all remember....  ;)

We all thought it so obvious it didn't need guessing.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2015, 12:56:20 AM
Well, that's a relief! As time went by, I was beginning to think you didn't remember it after all! but thank goodness, it's clearly still the same old story...  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 17, 2015, 05:44:47 AM
Admittedly, I need to have a closer look.  Hoketus somehow leapt out from the pack  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2015, 05:51:23 AM
I think you should. Because sometimes, you know, a  :) is just a  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 17, 2015, 06:37:10 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 17, 2015, 05:51:23 AM
I think you should. Because sometimes, you know, a  :) is just a  :)

So they say!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2015, 07:28:41 AM
...and a  :-* is just a  :-* ,
a  ::) is just a  ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2015, 07:29:44 AM
(I am making myself appear mad, I know, but I'm only trying to spell out one of the answers for you, if you hadn't guessed....)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 17, 2015, 08:20:08 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 17, 2015, 07:29:44 AM
(I am making myself appear mad, I know, but I'm only trying to spell out one of the answers for you, if you hadn't guessed....)

Gee, what iconic movie set in a Moroccan city during WW2 starring Bogart and Bergman does that remind me of? Play it, Sam! I think this could be the start of a beautiful friendship!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2015, 08:22:24 AM
...so which score is it?  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 17, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 17, 2015, 08:22:24 AM
...so which score is it?  :)

Something about a White House? 2015-08, the sloppily handwritten one.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2015, 08:44:15 AM
Yes - that's Steiner's Casablanca Suite, to be precise.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 18, 2015, 03:37:15 AM
...but there are others too, where the name of the piece is staring you in the face  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 18, 2015, 04:23:47 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 18, 2015, 03:37:15 AM
...but there are others too, where the name of the piece is staring you in the face  ;)

Here's looking at you, kid!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 18, 2015, 04:44:51 AM
Of all the Mystery score quizzes in all the world, you walk into this one....  ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on May 27, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
Here are three new ones to replace the ones previously identified:
7 -3   an unusual ensemble   13 - 8 appropriate for now   8 -13 popular locally
(my odd numbering keeps the scans and hint references in line)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 27, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
The first of those - Ginastera - Cantata para America magica (third movement)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on May 28, 2015, 06:12:32 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 27, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
The first of those - Ginastera - Cantata para America magica (third movement)
right on!   there aren't many pieces with that kind of ensemble.  I have an lp which has escaped my database, reminds me to look for it.  The piece could be a good demo disc on cd, and I see there is a recording on the Neos label with his opus 44, Popol Vuh  for a similar combination.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 31, 2015, 04:13:57 AM
Clues for my most recent ones -they are about three pages back:

1 - Chisholm - Piobaireachd - identified
2 - Foulds - Gandharva  - identified
3 - Faure - Souvernirs de Bayreuth - identified

4 - This is from a set of variations, so try to guess the theme and it should be quite easy to find
5 - Larry got the Watergate connection; the form being employed here ought to be clear with some closer inspection - and that is the title of the piece.
6 - Awesome piece by composer of the longest piano sonata I know.
7 - Composer is clearly an artist too! Originally played on a paper trumpet...
8 - Steiner - Casablance Suite - identified
9 - The composer's wife and daughter are also composers. This piece is obviously connected to William Blake, and so are many of this composer's works.
10 - Schulz-Evler - Arabesque on the Blue Danube - identified
11 - Rossini peches de viellesse - identified

12 - I already said that some of these scores have their names all over them...
13 - This one doesn't, and it's pretty obscure, I admit. But not impossible. Microtonal, quartet plus voice...
14 - L Andriessen - Hoketus - identified
15 - Arlen - The Wizard of Oz - identified

16 - An exquisitely beautiful piece of dodecaphony by  famously irrascible British composer with an even more famous father. The date and text are enough to get this one, I think.
17 - Perhaps the most famous encore of all?

And now two new ones, for the sake of it:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on May 31, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
Luke, your #18 wouldn't happen to be Maxwell-Davies, would it?

#24
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/pxosoo5nuf3eke9/Nathan24.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 31, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
No, but that looks like Feldman's Cello and Orchestra (I think that was one of our mystery scores years and years ago, too, set possibly by Guido, or maybe by me...)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on May 31, 2015, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 31, 2015, 04:13:57 AM
Clues for my most recent ones -they are about three pages back:

4 - This is from a set of variations, so try to guess the theme and it should be quite easy to find

wild guess (no keyboard handy)   REIZENSTEIN 'Lambeth Walk' Variations ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2015, 12:17:05 AM
No, but that sounds fun - do you have a score of it? Another set of 'Variations on a popular theme' that I really, really love is Earl Wild's Variations on Someone to Watch Over Me.

Get your hands on a piano, you'll identify this one in no time, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on June 01, 2015, 04:18:31 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 01, 2015, 12:17:05 AM
No, but that sounds fun - do you have a score of it?
No, just a recording  Philip Martin playing Reizenstein on Continuum CCD 1007.
Another set of variations is Rubinstein's op. 93 on 'Yankee Doodle' which might amuse you.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on June 01, 2015, 06:26:08 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 31, 2015, 04:13:57 AM
16 - An exquisitely beautiful piece of dodecaphony by  famously irrascible British composer with an even more famous father. The date and text are enough to get this one, I think.

Elisabeth Lutyens?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Yes indeed it is. Listened to And suddenly it's evening in the car this morning. Wow. That was the first piece of 12-tone I fell in love with as a lad and it still works
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 01, 2015, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 01, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Yes indeed it is. Listened to And suddenly it's evening in the car this morning. Wow. That was the first piece of 12-tone I fell in love with as a lad and it still works

Guess I'm not up on my irascible British composers. What of hers should I hear?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2015, 10:41:06 AM
Yes, well, that's just typical of you, you....

No, can't do it, can't do irascible even as a joke. It's bad enough having to do British...

To answer your question, you should hear the piece I've set, so someone should identify it. It ought to be pretty easy at this point. She can be tumultuously complicated, but in pieces like this the construction is as clear, exquisite and instantly-audible as e.g. the Webern Symphony (if anything, more so). It is a very moving work indeed, I think
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 01, 2015, 10:43:59 AM
I'm only passably irascible.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
Quote from: listener on June 01, 2015, 04:18:31 AM
Another set of variations is Rubinstein's op. 93 on 'Yankee Doodle' which might amuse you.

Just checked the score to that - looks fun! Thanks!

Re the set of Variations I set - I realised the other day that one of them, later than the page I've given, is aping figuration in one of Mendelssohn's variation sets. Just to make a connection with the Wizard-of-Oz-plagiarising-Mendelssohn Larry noted a few pages ago...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on June 01, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 31, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
No, but that looks like Feldman's Cello and Orchestra (I think that was one of our mystery scores years and years ago, too, set possibly by Guido, or maybe by me...)
Correct.

Here's an interesting piece that my friend told me about recently:

#25
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/xhrkjj0ljfzcaxr/Nathan25.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2015, 08:07:44 PM
That's Rzewski's Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues. Was just thinking about this piece the other day, with the purpose of using it as an example in class for my students. It's an astonishingly realistic portrayal of the machine, but it's more than that, it's a piece with a powerful moral tone, too..
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on June 18, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
Two more:
#26
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ldonhokkwxaubaf/Nathan26.jpg)

#27
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cv8394k1dodeebg/Nathan27.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 19, 2015, 02:20:45 PM
The bottom one certainly looks like Stockhausen in both handwriting and content, and is reminiscent of Mantra in both of these ways too, so possibly from the same sort of time period i.e. 1970s. But I'm not sure exactly what it is yet...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on June 19, 2015, 08:01:38 PM
My last one, 13-8 will lose some relevance in a couple of days, its brilliance may help identify the composer to some measure
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on June 20, 2015, 01:20:08 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 19, 2015, 02:20:45 PM
The bottom one certainly looks like Stockhausen in both handwriting and content, and is reminiscent of Mantra in both of these ways too, so possibly from the same sort of time period i.e. 1970s. But I'm not sure exactly what it is yet...
It is Stockhausen (who else would have a tempo of q=113.5?!), but it is not from the 1970s.

Ideas for the top one?

EDIT: Here is one more. A little project of mine, but I'm sure it is still recognizable.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ldonhokkwxaubaf/Nathan26.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Ken B on June 20, 2015, 05:47:23 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on June 20, 2015, 01:20:08 AM
It is Stockhausen (who else would have a tempo of q=113.5?!), but it is not from the 1970s.

Ideas for the top one?

EDIT: Here is one more. A little project of mine, but I'm sure it is still recognizable.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ldonhokkwxaubaf/Nathan26.jpg)

I gotta say, every time I visit this thread I am amazed at how good Luke is at this.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 20, 2015, 08:01:28 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 20, 2015, 05:47:23 AM
I gotta say, every time I visit this thread I am amazed at how good Luke is at this.

He's the sharpest of us!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 20, 2015, 10:58:44 AM
That last one - are you orchestrating the Vingt Regards?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 20, 2015, 11:06:28 AM
(Regard de l'esprit de joie)

Cool project!  8) 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on June 20, 2015, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 20, 2015, 10:58:44 AM
That last one - are you orchestrating the Vingt Regards?
Yup -- just the 10th one for now. For a huge orchestra (though, I realized that I should have four trombones instead of five -- that's a mistake on this page I need to fix). Not sure if I'll finish, but I'd like to. I started out doing it just as an exercise with no intention of completing it, but it is so much fun to orchestrate. Kind of tedious to assign time signatures, but it's not too big of a deal.

I'm trying to keep Messiaen's style as much as I can, though I'm not sure how successful it will turn out to be. Lots of metal percussion/gamelan sounds and what I call Messiaen's "rhythmic games" in the percussion. For instance -- chromatic durations, rhythms superimposed with themselves at different tempos*, etc. At one point (not on this page) I even got carried away and did an decreasing Fibonacci sequence (8-5-3-2-1-1) in the Chinese cymbal together (superimposed) with an increasing Fibonacci sequence in the maracas (1-1-2-3-5-8)

Sorry for the long post -- it's just nice to tell an actual musician what I'm trying to do (I try to tell my mom, bless her, and she's like "Oh, that's nice dear.").

*see m. 108 -- woodblock and maracas have same rhythm (that of the "Theme de Dieu"), but the woodblock has it at half-tempo.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 20, 2015, 11:28:10 AM
Oh, that's nice dear....




only kidding! Those percussion parts certainly look right, and the increasing/decreasing patterns are typical too. Howabout the 'personages rhythmiques' - one rhythm grows, one diminishes, one stays the same. That's a fun one to manipulate, too. Messiaen's list of rhythmic games is extensive, as you know!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on June 20, 2015, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 20, 2015, 11:28:10 AM
Oh, that's nice dear....




only kidding! Those percussion parts certainly look right, and the increasing/decreasing patterns are typical too. Howabout the 'personages rhythmiques' - one rhythm grows, one diminishes, one stays the same. That's a fun one to manipulate, too. Messiaen's list of rhythmic games is extensive, as you know!
:laugh:

That's a good idea. I'll look at that tomorrow morning! He does something like that in the 3rd movement of the TS with the woodblock, maracas, and bass drum.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 21, 2015, 05:08:32 AM
Update on mine - they are all findable within the last 3-5 pages, I think

1 - Chisholm - Piobaireachd - identified
2 - Foulds - Gandharva  - identified
3 - Faure - Souvernirs de Bayreuth - identified

4 - This is from a set of variations, so try to guess the theme and it should be quite easy to find
5 - Larry got the Watergate connection; the form being employed here ought to be clear with some closer inspection - and that is the title of the piece.
6 - Awesome piece by composer of the longest piano sonata I know.
7 - Composer is clearly an artist too! Originally played on a paper trumpet...
8 - Steiner - Casablance Suite - identified
9 - The composer's wife and daughter are also composers. This piece is obviously connected to William Blake, and so are many of this composer's works.
10 - Schulz-Evler - Arabesque on the Blue Danube - identified
11 - Rossini peches de viellesse - identified

12 - I already said that some of these scores have their names all over them... This ought to be easy.
13 - This one doesn't and isn't, and it's pretty obscure, I admit. But not impossible. Microtonal, quartet plus voice...
14 - L Andriessen - Hoketus - identified
15 - Arlen - The Wizard of Oz - identified

16 - An exquisitely beautiful piece of dodecaphony by  famously irrascible British composer with an even more famous father. The date and text are enough to get this one, I think. Composer has been identified: Elisabeth Lutyens. The piece remains. It's worth identifying, because it is gorgeous.
17 - Perhaps the most famous encore of all? I mean that literally - this piece was known as an encore, identified with one particular player.
18 - There are proper Sherlock-Holmes style clues in the music. Decode them and you will find it easier to identify.
19 - Practically-unknown piece by a famous composer (I only discovered it myself a few weeks ago, and I thought I knew every note this composer had written, including all the obscurities). However, if you play it through you will see that it bears his hallmarks, and it is therefore quite easy to identify. I've left a clue as to what it is at the top of the page.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 21, 2015, 04:06:46 PM
As chance would have it, I have just stumbled across a score I hadn't seen before, and recognised it as one posted here a few pages ago - I can't quite remember where, but I think Karl posted it, a piece which on the page he gave appeared to be for voice, flute and strings, 3/4, E major key sig. It's Hindemith, Die junge Magd, which youtube is playing to me now, and most delightful it is. I didn't know it till now - thanks, Karl!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on June 21, 2015, 09:21:02 PM
informal bump from the clues mainly
no. 6 Sorabji?     no.12 Havergal Brian: The  Tigers?

my 13-8 -the timeliness reference is now out of date
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 21, 2015, 09:45:47 PM
Sorabji no, Brian yes. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on July 06, 2015, 11:47:34 PM
Luke #17   CASALS: Song of the Birds
#6 might be DUKAS, I can't find the post now, guessing from having uncovered an LP that contains it alone
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 15, 2015, 03:16:58 AM
The Casals is right. The sonata is not the Dukas, and is much more recent. The CD recording of it has a shockingly bad (but I think quite funny and appropriate) cover which, just possibly, I remember featuring on the 'Worst Artwork' thread, or a previous incarnation of that thread.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on July 17, 2015, 03:01:23 AM
Quote from: Luke on July 15, 2015, 03:16:58 AM
The CD recording of it has a shockingly bad (but I think quite funny and appropriate) cover which, just possibly, I remember featuring on the 'Worst Artwork' thread, or a previous incarnation of that thread.
Oh, him! I don't know his work at all so I won't guess this piece, but when someone figures it out we should definitely post that cover, possibly the greatest (?) work of art to adorn a CD case ever
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 17, 2015, 03:35:17 AM
It's a weird picture, but somehow it's (literal) iconoclasm and violent energy suits what is an amazingly ambitious piece from a composer whose creative fecundity as revealed in his score simply staggers me. My clue mentions this piece to lead us to the composer, remember, because the score I posted is not from that particular sonata, but from a piece with, again, a zany, astonishing fecundity of invention and just so many notes.....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on July 17, 2015, 03:35:41 AM
His scores are free on IMSLP, by the way, if you feel like investigating.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: lescamil on August 18, 2015, 09:34:40 AM
19 is Messiaen's Morceau de lecture à vue. A charming little sight-reading piece (literally).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8PoPgXVOCY
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on August 19, 2015, 08:05:05 AM
Yes, that is correct, of course. Can't believe I hadn't known that piece till relatively recently.  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on August 19, 2015, 09:06:58 AM
Quote from: Luke on August 19, 2015, 08:05:05 AM
Yes, that is correct, of course. Can't believe I hadn't known that piece till relatively recently.  :-[

Considering all the music you know . . . you leave us all in the dust, dear fellow!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 16, 2015, 02:32:58 PM
Here are two more:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/22lst6i9tvkt2c1/Nathan28.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/38u64xs6n8lil5u/Nathan29.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 18, 2015, 02:26:35 PM
Could the first one be the "sheep episode" in R. STRAUSS' Don Quixote?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on September 19, 2015, 01:53:17 AM
Quote from: listener on September 18, 2015, 02:26:35 PM
Could the first one be the "sheep episode" in R. STRAUSS' Don Quixote?
Nope, not even close (sorry!). Then again, I'm not familiar with that work.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2015, 11:34:41 PM
The second one isn't by Debussy or Ravel is it? Somehow it looks French.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on December 31, 2015, 01:35:03 PM
As I just promised on my almost-dead-thread, a couple of lovely ones I just found the other day (both from the same set) to say hello and to wish everyone a happy new year!

:) :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on January 01, 2016, 08:06:56 AM
No genuine clue, but my brain likes the exercise of reading each note on a different clef  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: kishnevi on January 01, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 01, 2016, 08:06:56 AM
No genuine clue, but my brain likes the exercise of reading each note on a different clef  8)

Perhaps written for a sight reading test at the Conservatoire?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on January 01, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 01, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
Perhaps written for a sight reading test at the Conservatoire?

And the second measure, simply in treble clef all through, is a literal repeat.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 01, 2016, 01:39:54 PM
The second one, you'll have noted, also uses four different clefs over four staves, though it is also for a single pianist. By far the earliest 3+ stave keyboard writing I know of, unless my memory is faulty. BTW at the beginning of the book the first of my samples is written out in a more normal notation.

The idea that they are for sight-reading tests at the Conservatoire - I don't know about that, they are pretty early, and I'm not sure if such tests were given at that stage....however, the composer did work at the Conservatoire IIRC, and these are 'exercises' (or etudes). This composer is quite a well-known name whose music I've known about and heard around and about since I was very young, and yet until last week I had not realised what a remarkable fund of iconoclastic ideas he was. In addition to these experiments in musical orthography he was an early user of irregular measures, derived from Eastern European folksong; he wrote large-scale sets of fugues traversing the keys a la Bach, but with new inventions in fugal technique (e.g. the answer can be at any interval - there's one at the tritone!; another fugue uses only white notes a la Shostakovich op 87/1, but cadences on all seven degrees in all possible modes); and he was even interested in the potential of microtonality. To emphasize, if it isn't obvious - he is a contemporary of Beethoven!  :o (Also a friend, though LVB didn't think much of his fugal innovations!)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Dax on January 01, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Is this Reicha? I didn't know that he was into irregular bar lengths.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 01, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
Yes, it is! And yes he does. For example in the incredible op 36 fugues there are three such irregularly barred pieces - one in 5/8 (written 3/8+2/8) one in 7/4 (4/4+3/4) and one written in 6/8+2/8. He goes to the length of rewriting the subject alone at the head to show what rhythmic errors to be wary of (eg tripletising the groups of three). In the extensive introduction there is a section on irregular metres and a transcription of a folksong from Alsace in 5
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on January 02, 2016, 05:53:40 AM
Fascinating :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on January 03, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
about to bump mine to clean up the backlog but first
Luke's #5   Last Dances by Andrew Violette?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 04, 2016, 11:55:52 AM
No - perhaps you meant my #6 which is by Violette, but it isn't the piece you named. It is commercially available, though, and it is an overwhelming piece, too. But I think I will give the answers to the missing ones soon, if this latest brief resurgence of the thread doesn't prompt anyone to have another look.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on January 06, 2016, 09:04:43 PM
Here's the bump of the two unidentified, if I get the attachments right the waltz was appropriately posted in May-June, Maciek would recognize the overture fragment of the other
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 07, 2016, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 13, 2015, 11:34:41 PM
The second one isn't by Debussy or Ravel is it? Somehow it looks French.
The second one is French (those ridiculous string divisis are pretty much dead giveaways lol), but it isn't Debussy or Ravel. A rarer piece by a famous composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 07, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 07, 2016, 03:42:40 PM
The second one is French (those ridiculous string divisis are pretty much dead giveaways lol), but it isn't Debussy or Ravel. A rarer piece by a famous composer.
Messiaen perhaps? I confess I haven't listened to much from his oeuvre.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 01:49:04 AM
Quote from: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 07, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
Messiaen perhaps?
Yes, it is. Le Tombeau Resplendissant (written around 1931-2, I believe). An early work.

Quote from: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 07, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
I confess I haven't listened to much from his oeuvre.
Fix that now! >:(
https://www.youtube.com/v/KJ42fBDE8xY
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 08, 2016, 02:21:55 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 01:49:04 AM
Yes, it is. Le Tombeau Resplendissant (written around 1931-2, I believe). An early work.
Fix that now! >:(
https://www.youtube.com/v/KJ42fBDE8xY
Aha! I thought I recognised a mode of limited transposition in there ;)

And yup I'll certainly listen to more Messiaen! Thank for the link. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 08, 2016, 02:21:55 AM
Aha! I thought I recognised a mode of limited transposition in there ;)

And yup I'll certainly listen to more Messiaen! Thank for the link. :)
;D

As a hint, the first of the two that I posted is not a French composer, but...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 08, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 12:17:23 PM
;D

As a hint, the first of the two that I posted is not a French composer, but...
The hairpins and swells of orchestral colour are making me think of something from Ligeti's middle period....but I could be way off. I haven't seen scores for many of the repertoire I'm trying to imagine!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 03:52:00 PM
Quote from: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 08, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
The hairpins and swells of orchestral colour are making me think of something from Ligeti's middle period....but I could be way off. I haven't seen scores for many of the repertoire I'm trying to imagine!
No, not Ligeti.

This composer isn't French, but he was influenced by French composers in particular.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 08, 2016, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 03:52:00 PM
No, not Ligeti.

This composer isn't French, but he was influenced by French composers in particular.
Matthias Pintscher? (shot in the dark)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 09, 2016, 02:10:47 AM
Quote from: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 08, 2016, 10:34:26 PM
Matthias Pintscher? (shot in the dark)
Nope. More famous than Pintscher (and from an earlier generation -- no longer alive). He also did many film scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 09, 2016, 02:41:03 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 09, 2016, 02:10:47 AM
Nope. More famous than Pintscher (and from an earlier generation -- no longer alive). He also did many film scores.
I am going to give up because I'm just guessing right now, most likely all will be wrong unless I am lucky :/
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 18, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
No one has guessed this one yet? Luke?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/22lst6i9tvkt2c1/Nathan28.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 18, 2016, 04:08:53 PM
Well, what it looks like is Takemitsu, and then looking at your clues that does seem to make some sense. So, is it Uncle Toru?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 18, 2016, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Luke on January 18, 2016, 04:08:53 PM
Well, what it looks like is Takemitsu, and then looking at your clues that does seem to make some sense. So, is it Uncle Toru?
;D

Dream/Window (This part, which somehow reminds me of something from The Planets: https://youtu.be/Xa2It9kigRc?t=6m31s)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 18, 2016, 04:16:11 PM
That's actually the one I thought it might be, believe it or not, based on my memory of the string quartet part it has (???)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 18, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
No one else looks like Takemitsu on the page. It was easy to identify him, at least, even if not the piece, once I looked properly (I hadn't enlarged it until now).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 18, 2016, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 18, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
No one has guessed this one yet? Luke?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/22lst6i9tvkt2c1/Nathan28.jpg)

What I love about Nate's score images is that they make me wish my head was attached sideways to my body.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on January 19, 2016, 01:32:11 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 18, 2016, 06:47:39 PM
What I love about Nate's score images is that they make me wish my head was attached sideways to my body.
:laugh: :laugh:

:-[

Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to rotate them and I gave up a long time ago. I've tried adding the "rotate 90" in the picture command before and it doesn't make a difference. You have to right-click the picture and "view image". It shows up properly for me when I do that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on January 19, 2016, 02:01:01 AM
Yes, for me too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 19, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 19, 2016, 01:32:11 AM
:laugh: :laugh:

:-[

Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to rotate them and I gave up a long time ago. I've tried adding the "rotate 90" in the picture command before and it doesn't make a difference. You have to right-click the picture and "view image". It shows up properly for me when I do that.

Actually when I use an iPad instead of a computer the images are the right way up!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on January 19, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
Early spring clean, mine were just too abstruse:  the May-June waltz was the Waltz of the Gemini from Lambert's Horoscope, the Overture to Moniuszko's Halka was the other one. 
I am startled by the wide recognition of pieces I've never heard of so coming up with some that I know about is fun, like these (the solo piano is of course an arrangement)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on February 24, 2016, 11:36:46 AM
Oooh, I don't remember even seeing those ones, though I suppose I must have done. Fun!

As is my wont when I discover something fun - it goes straight up on this old but wonderful backwater of a thread. So here is a page by my new favourite composer (well, for this evening he is, anyway).  ;)  Enjoy...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2016, 06:20:49 AM
I don't know the answer...I'm posting this here so that a literate person can tell me the answer!

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LAYU9u6EnEE/Vg69ke05XJI/AAAAAAAAAG0/ubRNnOASdSsFBUEdZiHighfUqRNjM0Sbw/s879-no/IMG_3255.jpg)

EDIT: Bigger, clearer photo of the label for those who might want it. (http://www.polanerselections.com/sites/default/files/FDD122_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 28, 2016, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 28, 2016, 06:20:49 AM
I don't know the answer...I'm posting this here so that a literate person can tell me the answer!

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LAYU9u6EnEE/Vg69ke05XJI/AAAAAAAAAG0/ubRNnOASdSsFBUEdZiHighfUqRNjM0Sbw/s879-no/IMG_3255.jpg)

You might try asking the wine producer. It has a medieval flavor, and whoever put this together has some understanding of notation, but there are some odd resolutions and clashes between the two parts that suggest this is not an actual piece.

I am more confident I can identify an avocado, a few slices of cucumber or zucchini, and what looks like some bleu cheese.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2016, 08:47:40 AM
Found the solution!

"A note on the label. The music was composed by Francois Cristin, a musician friend of Didier's. It is written for trumpet (b flat major) and french horn (f major). The first line is the theme, which is taken from a famous song by Georges Brassens, and the next four lines are Cristin's personal interpretation of that theme."

Bigger copy of the label, for those interested: http://www.polanerselections.com/sites/default/files/FDD122_1.jpg
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 28, 2016, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 28, 2016, 08:47:40 AM
Found the solution!

"A note on the label. The music was composed by Francois Cristin, a musician friend of Didier's. It is written for trumpet (b flat major) and french horn (f major). The first line is the theme, which is taken from a famous song by Georges Brassens, and the next four lines are Cristin's personal interpretation of that theme."

Bigger copy of the label, for those interested: http://www.polanerselections.com/sites/default/files/FDD122_1.jpg

Oh I see! Now it makes perfect sense. You see how the key signature for the trumpet is F, later Bb (trumpet in C or UT), while the horn has a signature of C, later F (horn in F or FA). This was not legible from the original pic. The horn in F is a transposing instrument, meaning that whatever is written actually sounds a perfect fifth lower. Mystery solved.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 28, 2016, 12:41:05 PM
No guesses on my last one (a few posts up)? Anyone that plays the piano should just give it a whirl, and from that point it will be easy to work out. A piece I am still playing frequently - it always raises a smile.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 28, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on March 28, 2016, 08:58:12 AM
Oh I see! Now it makes perfect sense. You see how the key signature for the trumpet is F, later Bb (trumpet in C or UT), while the horn has a signature of C, later F (horn in F or FA). This was not legible from the original pic. The horn in F is a transposing instrument, meaning that whatever is written actually sounds a perfect fifth lower. Mystery solved.

I thought you might like to hear what your bottle sounds like:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8iabjop5udqfoc4/Blanc%20Fum%C3%A9.wav?dl=0
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: EigenUser on March 29, 2016, 02:12:11 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 28, 2016, 06:20:49 AM
I don't know the answer...I'm posting this here so that a literate person can tell me the answer!
Brian, it says "Blanc Fumé de Pouilly". Let me know if you need anything else.

:laugh: :P
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on March 29, 2016, 03:07:40 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 28, 2016, 12:41:05 PM
No guesses on my last one (a few posts up)? Anyone that plays the piano should just give it a whirl, and from that point it will be easy to work out. A piece I am still playing frequently - it always raises a smile.

If I had a piano I might use from time to time . . . maybe I'll have a closer look when I'm out in the woods . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 03:59:22 AM
Actually, just singing the top line through to yourself ought to do it. This is the last page of four, if that helps with orientation.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 05:03:28 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 03:59:22 AM
Actually, just singing the top line through to yourself ought to do it. This is the last page of four, if that helps with orientation.

Can't pinpoint it, but it looks American, ragtime-ish. Scott Joplin?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:22:56 AM
It's more a foxtrot, and not American, though clearly deeply indebted to American influences. It shares an extremely close link with another, far more famous ragtime-ish evocation from the same country, a few years earlier. The composer of the latter is one of The Great Composers...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:24:10 AM
....oh, and you of all people can definitely pinpoint it, don't worry!  :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 05:26:15 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:22:56 AM
It's more a foxtrot, and not American, though clearly deeply indebted to American influences. It shares an extremely close link with another, far more famous ragtime-ish evocation from the same country, a few years earlier. The composer of the latter is one of The Great Composers...

The "latter," GC sounds like Stravinsky . . . . So this is maybe Russian?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:33:31 AM
Another GC, but every bit as G. Stravinsky certainly thought so - he wrote him a Tombeau to prove it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 05:38:30 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:33:31 AM
Another GC, but every bit as G. Stravinsky certainly thought so - he wrote him a Tombeau to prove it...

So now we're talking about Debussy. I'm not sure I'm any less lost than before.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:43:09 AM
Ragtime evocations by Debussy. I can think of three at the moment. The most famous has a feature directly linked to the piece in my mystery score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:45:33 AM
The most famous in my estimation, I should say.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 05:45:53 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:43:09 AM
Ragtime evocations by Debussy. I can think of three at the moment. The most famous has a feature directly linked to the piece in my mystery score.

Let me work on it. Not Satie, I think, and definitely not Ravel.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:51:03 AM
No, much less well-known. I only discovered this composer a few weeks ago myself. Googling will be required, I suspect.

What is the odd thing that happens in the middle of the finale to Children's Corner?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 05:54:55 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 05:51:03 AM
No, much less well-known. I only discovered this composer a few weeks ago myself. Googling will be required, I suspect.

What is the odd thing that happens in the middle of the finale to Children's Corner?

A quotation from Tristan und Isolde.

Auric wrote a foxtrot called "Adieu, New York," but this is not it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 06:05:43 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 05:54:55 AM
A quotation from Tristan und Isolde.

This is that, but much more extensive. What you see in my example is the climax and coda of the Liebestod, a la foxtrot  >:D 8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on March 29, 2016, 06:13:50 AM
Oh, mercy!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 06:22:35 AM
Of all pieces, I know! One can almost hear the clouds of mystical, mythical weltschmerz being blown away...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Brian on March 29, 2016, 06:26:36 AM
Peter Schickele did write a "Last Tango in Bayreuth" resetting Tristan for a quartet of four bassoons...

https://www.youtube.com/v/4CLkj8Dlnuo

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on March 28, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
I thought you might like to hear what your bottle sounds like:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8iabjop5udqfoc4/Blanc%20Fum%C3%A9.wav?dl=0

Wow, thank you. Not bad for a wine bottle, I suppose, though not the most profound either. (I wish it were my bottle - at $65, not likely to reach my pantry.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on March 29, 2016, 06:40:56 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 06:22:35 AM
Of all pieces, I know! One can almost hear the clouds of mystical, mythical weltschmerz being blown away...

Smash the Weltschmerz!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 07:22:42 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 06:05:43 AM
This is that, but much more extensive. What you see in my example is the climax and coda of the Liebestod, a la foxtrot  >:D 8)

If I had only printed it and taken it to the piano . . . . At this stage in my life and decades out of practice, my sight-singing and ear-training are for crap. It is "Isoldina" by Clement Doucet. He also "wrote," if that's the word, a "Chopinata" on themes like the Ab Polonaise, C# minor Waltz, and Fantasie Impromptu; and "Lisztonia," which begins with the 1st Piano Concerto and segues to the 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody. Also something more original called "Chicken Pie," doubtless to be served with a blanc fumé and avocado.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 07:23:56 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 29, 2016, 06:26:36 AM
Peter Schickele did write a "Last Tango in Bayreuth" resetting Tristan for a quartet of four bassoons...

Oh, anyone can do that. Now if he had set it for a quartet of five bassoons . . . .
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on March 29, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on March 29, 2016, 07:22:42 AM
If I had only printed it and taken it to the piano . . . . At this stage in my life and decades out of practice, my sight-singing and ear-training are for crap. It is "Isoldina" by Clement Doucet. He also "wrote," if that's the word, a "Chopinata" on themes like the Ab Polonaise, C# minor Waltz, and Fantasie Impromptu; and "Lisztonia," which begins with the 1st Piano Concerto and segues to the 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody. Also something more original called "Chicken Pie," doubtless to be served with a blanc fumé and avocado.

He did, and a Wagneria, too, which turns the Tannhauser Pilgrim's Chorus into another foxtrot, and syncopates Siegfried's horn call into a frenzy (among other things). He certainly wrote them, these pieces - after all, you've found all those scores - but if you listen to his recordings you will find that he is quite free with his own music (one for another thread, I think!). Charming froth - but charming, all the same, I think. Here's Isolde foxtrotting her way towards transfiguration....

http://www.youtube.com/v/uZ6V93WxYhU

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on March 29, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
He did, and a Wagneria, too ....

Not Wagnerrhœa?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on March 29, 2016, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: Luke on March 29, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/uZ6V93WxYhU

That Isolde was quite the flapper!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on August 10, 2016, 09:46:51 PM
some quick notes on my three on the previous page:
2 yrs- is not by a South American, but is sort of relevant for for another week
not Danish - might remind you of Ovsianniko-Kulkovsky
not SS - not Saint-Saëns, but similar to a dance movement by him
I'll clear these up at the end of the month and come up with three more stinkers
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: listener on September 01, 2016, 12:44:05 PM
clearance of my last three
BLISS: Prelude to The Olympians       IPPOITOV-IVANOV: Songs of Ossian    MAYUZUMI: Bacchanale
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2017, 09:39:05 AM
Not really a Mystery Scores game, but...

What is the music on this wrapping paper?

https://shop.nybooks.com/products/sheet-music-wrapping-paper
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on November 07, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
Maple Leaf Rag
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on November 08, 2017, 12:54:08 AM
Quote from: amw on November 07, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
Maple Leaf Rag

Bingo!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on April 04, 2023, 08:56:49 AM
Bump inspired by a fascinating ongoing discussion in another thread.

What is this music about?

Any suggestions, @Luke ?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on April 04, 2023, 09:46:09 AM
Well, I don't know the piece, it looks bit like Mendelssohn but I'm pretty sure it isn't him (partly because I don't know it, and I know most of his stuff, and partly because of the fff, which isn't his style and partly because it's just a little scruffy round the edges, which isn't his way either), so it could be a contemporary of his (Hiller, Henselt, one of those guys). As for what it's about, I presume from that question it therefore has a programmatic title, and, as I said on the other thread, really the title is part of the experience of the piece, so not knowing it makes it harder to work out what the music is trying to depict. But I'd say the following:

It's in A major, which is often a key of 'springtime,' (such as Mendelssohn's own famous 'Spring Song' Lieder ohne Worte or Henselt's Frühlingslied). The joyfully, eagerly repeating chords are also familiar from 'spring' pieces, like Grieg's To Spring Lyric Piece. The flowing 12/8 metre suggests as much too, but also connects to hunting-type topics, as do the horn-call like shapes. So the sum of that is something joyful, outdoorsy, possibly connected to springtime and/or the hunt. That's what I've got so far.   
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on April 04, 2023, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: Luke on April 04, 2023, 09:46:09 AMWell, I don't know the piece, it looks bit like Mendelssohn but I'm pretty sure it isn't him (partly because I don't know it, and I know most of his stuff, and partly because of the fff, which isn't his style and partly because it's just a little scruffy round the edges, which isn't his way either), so it could be a contemporary of his (Hiller, Henselt, one of those guys). As for what it's about, I presume from that question it therefore has a programmatic title, and, as I said on the other thread, really the title is part of the experience of the piece, so not knowing it makes it harder to work out what the music is trying to depict. But I'd say the following:

It's in A major, which is often a key of 'springtime,' (such as Mendelssohn's own famous 'Spring Song' Lieder ohne Worte or Henselt's Frühlingslied). The joyfully, eagerly repeating chords are also familiar from 'spring' pieces, like Grieg's To Spring Lyric Piece. The flowing 12/8 metre suggests as much too, but also connects to hunting-type topics, as do the horn-call like shapes. So the sum of that is something joyful, outdoorsy, possibly connected to springtime and/or the hunt. That's what I've got so far. 

Well, it's not a contemporary of Mendelssohn (nor a fellow countryman), and it's not a programatic work but I'd say that "joyful, outdoorsy, possibly connected to springtime and/or the hunt" is not a bad description of the overall mood.  Actually, I hadn't made the hunt connection before but now that you mentioned it, it does sound like hunting horn calls. Hmmmm....

First mvt, Allegro, of the Piano Sonata No. 4  in A major Op. 72 by Isaac Albeniz.  ;)



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on April 04, 2023, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: Luke on April 04, 2023, 09:46:09 AMbecause of the fff, which isn't his style

Well, in the Ana-Marija Markovina set of Mendelssohn's complete piano works fff is pretty much his style. FFF and sempre staccato e sforzando, that is. Really, it gets tiresome pretty quickly.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on April 04, 2023, 10:08:53 AM
Ah! OK! It's early Albeniz, this -  looks nothing like the mature Albeniz of Iberia etc - (Iberia is about 20 years later). Don't think I'd ever have got that unless by chance, it doesn't look Spanish even with hindsight! But it's character is pretty clear.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on April 04, 2023, 10:10:17 AM
The only clue was the last bar of page 2 and the first of page 3, which are a very slightly Lisztian layout. But I couldn't extrapolate further than that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on April 04, 2023, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: Luke on April 04, 2023, 10:08:53 AMAh! OK! It's early Albeniz, this -  looks nothing like the mature Albeniz of Iberia etc - (Iberia is about 20 years later). Don't think I'd ever have got that unless by chance, it doesn't look Spanish even with hindsight! But it's character is pretty clear.

It's from 1887 and it doesn't sound Spanish in the least, but I like it nevertheless. It's a gentle, amiable and sunny work --- but I guess many A major pieces are that. Another one I can think of otomh is Schubert's D664.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on April 05, 2023, 03:40:20 AM
This is the first page of a programatic piece and indeed I think the visual aspect matches the subject matter.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on April 05, 2023, 03:43:47 AM
That's Mompou. I play it. Is it the middle movement of Paisajes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on April 05, 2023, 03:44:20 AM
The Lake, I think (the score is in the music room)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on April 05, 2023, 03:48:29 AM
Quote from: Luke on April 05, 2023, 03:43:47 AMThat's Mompou. I play it. Is it the middle movement of Paisajes?

Yes, El lago (The Lake). Looking at the score I can very well picture the wavelets produced by a pebble thrown in it (the lake, that is, not the score).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on April 05, 2023, 03:54:43 AM
Wave-based scores are great ones to spot! The impressionists particularly.....La Mer, Reflets dans l'eau, Une barque sur l'ocean, Jeux d'eau etc etc etc. One of my favourite scores, posted on this thread years ago, is Sciarrino's Anamorphosi, which takes Ravel's Jeux d'eau. and turns it into his Une barque.... all the while threading through it 'I'm singing in the rain.' Fun piece! And super clever!!


Hamelin hammin' it up.... (not really bringing out the Singing in the Rain intro tune properly at 1.08 though)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on April 05, 2023, 03:57:52 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2023, 11:02:08 AM
This was such a great thread in its day. Too bad most of the graphics were deleted. Luke, I, and others had such fun challenging each other.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on April 27, 2023, 12:08:36 PM
Ok, here is something different.  If I posted the actual score to this keyboard piece think you all would easily get it, but try the figured bass

Its also transposed, so the original may or may not be in A minor

(https://i.ibb.co/nDcwNRp/score.png)

https://ibb.co/kh8GsMZ




Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 01, 2023, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on April 27, 2023, 11:02:08 AMThis was such a great thread in its day. Too bad most of the graphics were deleted. Luke, I, and others had such fun challenging each other.

Agree 100%. My favourite times on GMG!

That figured bass looks fun, and full of clues. But I haven't identified it from first looking. Here's a much easier, indeed notorious one, which will be snaffled quickly....but it's a good place to start were this thread to be reborn...

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 01, 2023, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 01, 2023, 01:20:19 PMHere's a much easier, indeed notorious one, which will be snaffled quickly....but it's a good place to start were this thread to be reborn...



that looks odd, am I reading that right?
6b
5
4
3
2
7#
so the d harm minor scale?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 01, 2023, 02:09:47 PM
Yes that's correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 01, 2023, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on April 27, 2023, 12:08:36 PMOk, here is something different.  If I posted the actual score to this keyboard piece think you all would easily get it, but try the figured bass

Its also transposed, so the original may or may not be in A minor

(https://i.ibb.co/nDcwNRp/score.png)

https://ibb.co/kh8GsMZ






This is the C minor Prelude from Book I of the WTC I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 01, 2023, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 01, 2023, 04:04:48 PMThis is the C minor Prelude from Book I of the WTC I think.

Yes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 10:44:02 AM
And whilst waiting on my figured bass chord (I thought it was notorious, but maybe not) here are some interesting chords from a nineteenth century concertante work...



Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 10:46:43 AM
Another for you...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 10:49:17 AM
Similar...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 10:54:10 AM
What's this...?

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 03, 2023, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 03, 2023, 10:54:10 AMWhat's this...?



I don't know what it is but I'm pretty sure what it is not: Romantic / Late Romantic. Quite possibly not even early 20th Century. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 03, 2023, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 03, 2023, 10:46:43 AMAnother for you...

I see many barbed-wire fences here...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 03, 2023, 11:06:23 AMI see many barbed-wire fences here...  ;D

The sound of this moment (and the music just before and just after) is anything but barbed ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 03, 2023, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 03, 2023, 11:42:15 AMThe sound of this moment (and the music just before and just after) is anything but barbed ;D

Well, then this is a conspicuous case of the graphical look of the score being nothing like the actual sound of music.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 11:50:29 AM
Looks pleasingly streamlined and symmetrical to my eyes...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 03, 2023, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 03, 2023, 11:50:29 AMLooks pleasingly streamlined and symmetrical to my eyes...

Actually, besides barbed-wire fences it looks like honeycombs too. Perhaps Stravinsky's Scherzo Fantastique, then?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Franco_Manitobain on May 03, 2023, 12:09:32 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on April 27, 2023, 12:08:36 PMOk, here is something different.  If I posted the actual score to this keyboard piece think you all would easily get it, but try the figured bass

Its also transposed, so the original may or may not be in A minor

(https://i.ibb.co/nDcwNRp/score.png)

https://ibb.co/kh8GsMZ






Looks like an electrical panel wiring diagram.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 03, 2023, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on May 03, 2023, 12:09:32 PMLooks like an electrical panel wiring diagram.

 ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 12:36:06 PM
Here's another...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 03, 2023, 01:25:11 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 03, 2023, 12:36:06 PMHere's another...


That looks like the clarinet solo from Rimsky-Korsakov's version of Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain, with each note half the length. After some searching (since I remembered that there were several other versions), I identified it as the version in Sorochinsky Fair.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 01:31:49 PM
Very good! But it's bassoon.... and it is (according to Richard Taruskin) part of where Stravinsky 'found' the beginning of The Rite. Compare and contrast.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 03, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 03, 2023, 01:31:49 PMVery good! But it's bassoon.... and it is (according to Richard Taruskin) part of where Stravinsky 'found' the beginning of The Rite. Compare and contrast.

In Sorochinsky Fair, it's for bassoon.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 03, 2023, 02:29:56 PM
Yes, that's where my snippet is from.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:29:49 AM
Disappointed at the echoing void which has received all but one of my recent mystery score excerpts, I can only respond in a like manner:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 04:32:20 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:29:49 AMDisappointed at the echoing void which has received all but one of my recent mystery score excerpts

So, Luke, what is the barbed-wire/honeycomb score?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:34:12 AM
I'm not sure enough people have tried to work it out yet...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:35:08 AM
Re my last one, I hope true lovers of music will notice the very different, more Germanic soundworld of this one:
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 04:36:46 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:34:12 AMI'm not sure enough people have tried to work it out yet...

Okay, I'll patiently wait but I doubt you'll be flooded with guesses.  :D 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 04:41:42 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:35:08 AMRe my last one, I hope true lovers of music will notice the very different, more Germanic soundworld of this one:

Reminds me of Rossini's Chi disprezza gl'ínfelici from Ciro in Babilonia, one of hist most famous and succesfull pranks.



    "In one opera, Ciro in Babilonia," Rossini told his friend Hiller, "I had a horrible seconda donna. She was not only impossibly ugly, but her voice, too, was beneath contempt. After the most careful investigation I found that she had one single note, the B flat above middle C, which did not sound bad. I therefore wrote her an aria in which she had no other note than this to sing, with everything in the orchestra, and when this pleased the audience and was applauded, my one-note singer was extremely happy with her triumph."

    The "seconda donna" in question was Anna Savinelli, who sang the role of Argene.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:42:47 AM
Quote from: FlorestanOkay, I'll patiently wait but I doubt you'll be flooded with guesses.  :D

*sigh* in the old days we would...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:46:57 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 04:41:42 AMReminds me of Rossini's Chi disprezza gl'ínfelici from Ciro in Babilonia, one of hist most famous and succesfull pranks.



    "In one opera, Ciro in Babilonia," Rossini told his friend Hiller, "I had a horrible seconda donna. She was not only impossibly ugly, but her voice, too, was beneath contempt. After the most careful investigation I found that she had one single note, the B flat above middle C, which did not sound bad. I therefore wrote her an aria in which she had no other note than this to sing, with everything in the orchestra, and when this pleased the audience and was applauded, my one-note singer was extremely happy with her triumph."

    The "seconda donna" in question was Anna Savinelli, who sang the role of Argene.

Great story!

The two pieces I snipped from above are two of three known precursors to Cage's 4'33". Here's the other one - none of them are really mysteries as they are quite easy to track down

 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 04:53:10 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:46:57 AMGreat story!

The two pieces I snipped from above are two of three known precursors to Cage's 4'33". Here's the other one - none of them are really mysteries as they are quite easy to track down

 

Okay: the first Erwin Schulhoff, the second Alphonse Allais. Viva Wikipedia!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:55:32 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 04:41:42 AMReminds me of Rossini's Chi disprezza gl'ínfelici from Ciro in Babilonia, one of hist most famous and succesfull pranks.



    "In one opera, Ciro in Babilonia," Rossini told his friend Hiller, "I had a horrible seconda donna. She was not only impossibly ugly, but her voice, too, was beneath contempt. After the most careful investigation I found that she had one single note, the B flat above middle C, which did not sound bad. I therefore wrote her an aria in which she had no other note than this to sing, with everything in the orchestra, and when this pleased the audience and was applauded, my one-note singer was extremely happy with her triumph."

    The "seconda donna" in question was Anna Savinelli, who sang the role of Argene.

Found it! I can't imagine how he got away with it, but it's true. Here's the beginning:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:56:35 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 04:53:10 AMOkay: the first Erwin Schulhoff, the second Alphonse Allais. Viva Wikipedia!  ;D

Not quite. The second (Germanic!) one is the Schulhoff.* The third one is the Allais. The first one by an almost unknown 'composer.'


*I have a strong feeling I posted it on this thread before, many years ago.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 05:03:58 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:56:35 AMNot quite. The second (Germanic!) one is the Schulhoff.* The third one is the Allais. The first one by an almost unknown 'composer.'

Oh, I forgot about the first one --- it doesn't match any Wikipedia description of Cage's precursors, though.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 05:24:03 AM
A couple of years ago I wrote an enormous book - not the 'Music and Place' one I have been banging on about, but one that is essentially about 20 long essays on a series of musical topics connected to metaphor. They are very idiosyncratic things, but there's is, I think, quite a lot of interesting stuff in them. Three of the chapters - for some reason - are studies of ways in which music deals with the metaphor of silence, and one of them (which really focuses on another aspect of silence) includes quick looks at these three pre 4'33" pieces. So I can tell you the following about my first Mystery Silence piece:

Quote from: Luke's unwieldy Music and Metaphor book...in 1896 an unusual piece of Augenmusik, Satie-like in its playfulness and mockery, but predating any of Satie's similar works,  was published in the Italian journal La Nuova Musica, under the pseudonym 'Samuel.'  'Samuel' explained himself in a supplementary 'letter to the editor' (who was in fact himself):

Dear Director,
Diogenes, who wasn't that fool everyone believed, said, don't know in which place or moment, but he said (at least Seneca, Plutarco, Svetana* and yet others assure), that 'the best part of our existence is the one we spend in silence' and I add: the best part of a musical composition is that which makes no noise. Well, since I'm not used to not practicing what I preach, I took the liberty to write a piece of music that, above all others, has the required quality. I named it just 'Il Silenzio' thinking on Diogenes and reminding me of that Arabian saying that you know: Music is made of copper, the Word of silver and the Silence of gold. I've written a characteristic and above all descriptive [piece]; never has a title been so well suited to a composition. You, who are [a] composer – and not among the last –, will judge and if you are of the opposite opinion, it means that... you don't understand. Anyway, a lot of new music was printed in Nuova Musica, it's true, but worthless music, so you can welcome this piece of mine with equal value. However, I desire that it doesn't get published among other works: better alone than in bad company; hence, a special supplement is needed, if not, I'd rather put it in the trash...

Il Silencio, then, is exactly what its title suggests – a composition consisting only of silence. 'Samuel' is making any of number of sly jabs at what he sees as trends in modern musical society, and he does so with a barbed wit that is truly Satiean in its pointedness. One could pore endlessly over this brief score, discovering multiple layers of (non)meaning and (non)sense, each of them puncturing what Samuel saw as compositional clichés of the time...

*The 'Svetana' who 'Samuel' mentions ins unknown but probably a version of Suetonius.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on May 05, 2023, 05:47:20 AM
Fascinating! I never knew that the Cage 4'33" had any precursors...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 05:56:13 AM
The differences are interesting, too - and equally interesting is that three four pieces of silence can carry such different connotations! 'Samuel' and Schulhoff love the paradox of cramming their silent notation full of encoded gestural meaning - Samuel's is rather sarcastic, Schulhoff's is quite nerve-wracking! Allais is just having fun: his funeral march for a deaf man is the musical equivalent of the single-colour paintings he created for the album from which all are drawn - paintings with titles like First Communion of Anaemic Young Girls in the Snow and Apoplectic Cardinals Harvesting Tomatoes on the Shore of the Red Sea (guess the colours!). Cage's much-discussed piece is all about emptying the form of sonic content, but also about how content creeps in anyway. In all of them, nothing happens.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 05:56:13 AMSchulhoff's is quite nerve-wracking!

That Zeitmaessig-Zeitlos is indeed something else.  ;D

Is Samuel's real name known? That's the most complete info I could find:

https://ripm.org/index.php?page=JournalInfo&ABB=NMU (https://ripm.org/index.php?page=JournalInfo&ABB=NMU)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 09:15:42 AMThat Zeitmaessig-Zeitlos is indeed something else.  ;D

Is Samuel's real name known? That's the most complete info I could find:

https://ripm.org/index.php?page=JournalInfo&ABB=NMU (https://ripm.org/index.php?page=JournalInfo&ABB=NMU)



Yes, he was the Edgardo Del Valle de Paz mentioned in your link. I mention a b it more about him elsewhere in that book, and whilst I was doing my research I hunted down a bit of 'normal' music by him, too, which I can't remember much about at the moment!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:48:17 AM
It can't have been a long hunt, he's here on IMSLP:

https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Del_Valle_de_Paz%2C_Edgardo
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:50:41 AM
The cello pieces I am looking at seem rather nice - unsurprisingly Italianate, vocally singing lines
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 09:51:41 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:47:27 AMYes, he was the Edgardo Del Valle de Paz mentioned in your link. I mention a b it more about him elsewhere in that book, and whilst I was doing my research I hunted down a bit of 'normal' music by him, too, which I can't remember much about at the moment!

He must have been of Spanish origin, the surname is typical.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:50:41 AMThe cello pieces I am looking at seem rather nice - unsurprisingly Italianate, vocally singing lines

Were they recorded?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 05, 2023, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 01, 2023, 01:20:19 PMAgree 100%. My favourite times on GMG!

That figured bass looks fun, and full of clues. But I haven't identified it from first looking. Here's a much easier, indeed notorious one, which will be snaffled quickly....but it's a good place to start were this thread to be reborn...



Googled to get it, had not heard of this piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 02:03:54 PM
That's the one. First cluster chord in music history?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:55:32 AMFound it! I can't imagine how he got away with it, but it's true. Here's the beginning:



Get away with what? Writing a succesful aria di sorbetto? That was quite a feat, actually.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 02:51:30 PM
I meant said diva not complaining that she hadn't been given a chance to show off her skills (as she saw them), at the very least. She is restricted in what is all too easily interpreted as the most embarrassing and humiliating way (and, after all, according to your source, he thought very little of her).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 10:44:29 AMWere they recorded?

I have no idea but I doubt it. I'll have a look.

EDIT - found a few amateur home recordings of some little salon piano pieces on youtube. Nothing very exciting.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 02:51:30 PMI meant said diva not complaining that she hadn't been given a chance to show off her skills (as she saw them), at the very least. She is restricted in what is all too easily interpreted as the most embarrassing and humiliating way (and, after all, according to your source, he thought very little of her).

She was not a diva, only a seconda donna. The conventions gave her an important role in the recitatives (spoken) and ensembles (where her voice would blend with the others) but a solo aria was more than enough. Besides, Ciro in Babilonia is not even an opera proper, it's more like an oratorio for the Lent period during which operatic performances were forbidden.

The past is a foreign country.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 03:17:44 PM
Even so..... 'rude!' as the girls at my school like to say in a huffy mock-shock!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 05, 2023, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 02:03:54 PMThat's the one. First cluster chord in music history?
I found it here, pretty ridiculous analysis

QuoteThe resulting chord could be written as C♯dim7(11,13)/D, Dm(♯7, 9, 11, ♭13) or could be understood as a polychord comprising Dm and C♯dim7.

http://flipcamp.org/engagingstudents4/essays/park.html

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 03:17:44 PMEven so..... 'rude!' as the girls at my school like to say in a huffy mock-shock!  ;D

I say a genius of musical pranks on a par with Haydn (whose music Rossini loved and a good many of whose works he knew by heart) ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 03:28:09 PM
QuoteThe resulting chord could be written as C♯dim7(11,13)/D, Dm(♯7, 9, 11, ♭13) or could be understood as a polychord comprising Dm and C♯dim7.

!! That sort of thing puts the anal in analysis. There's no point in labelling chords like in that way - it may be 'correct' but it means nothing related to what we hear, it tells us nothing. The point is that Rebel depicts the chaos from which everything emerges by smashing down all the notes of the key at once - we hear everything. Over the course of the movement the violent dissonance that result eases as the various elements (Earth, Air, Water, Fire, all marked as such in the score) gradually separate off from each other. It's actually very effective.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: Florestan on May 05, 2023, 03:24:46 PMI say a genius of musical pranks on a par with Haydn (whose music Rossini loved and a good many of whose works he knew by heart) ;D

Definitely a great prank, just a bit of a  >:D ish one! I think it's fantastic!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on May 05, 2023, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 03, 2023, 10:46:43 AMAnother for you...
This isn't Metamorphoses nocturnes, is it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:05:22 PM
The one Florestan thinks looks like barbed wire fences? Yes, it is! Part of the diaphonous web of harmonic glissandi near the end of Ligeti's very snazzy 1st String Quartet, Metamorphoses nocturnes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 05, 2023, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 04:29:49 AMDisappointed at the echoing void which has received all but one of my recent mystery score excerpts, I can only respond in a like manner:


Strikes me as possibly over-notated.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Karl Henning on May 05, 2023, 09:06:36 PMStrikes me as possibly over-notated.

 ;D  :D  ;D  you think?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 05, 2023, 09:12:41 PM
A few more to mop up (I chose interesting ones, I think) and then this Sleeping Beauty of a thread can sink into suspended animation again...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 06, 2023, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 05, 2023, 03:29:17 PMDefinitely a great prank, just a bit of a  >:D ish one! I think it's fantastic!

Well, he was barely 21 at the time. Follies of youth...  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2023, 06:58:37 AM
OK, going to reveal the answers to the two that weren't guessed. Extremely eccentric, both of them.

This one contains an astounding and extremely early example of an amazing extended technique which we rarely see: the chords we see are to be played by a solo horn player. One note is played; one is sung; the combination of the two produces the difference tone of the third as if by magic. And the composer - I still find this almost unbelievable: Carl Maria von Weber (his Concertino for Horn and Orchestra). This line of music made me look at him all over again.

 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 10, 2023, 07:01:48 AM
...and this one is one of those famous pages by Xenakis in which each of the pianist's fingers receives a stave for itself. In other words, the sample is to be played by one person. This is from his marvelously invigorating, pulverising Synaphai, one of my favourite works of his.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 12, 2023, 08:54:31 AM
Here is another WTC prelude figured bass from Derek Remes' book, which transposes all the preludes in to either C major or A minor.  A fun exercise is to improvise a figuration prelude from these

(https://i.ibb.co/py0KqjR/m2.png) (https://ibb.co/NSVNR2m)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 12, 2023, 09:30:39 AM
The F minor from Book II I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 12, 2023, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 12, 2023, 09:30:39 AMThe F minor from Book II I think.

Yes, the dominant pedal in bars 4-7 was the giveaway?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 12, 2023, 09:46:23 AM
To be honest, no. It was a minor key prelude in 2/4, and there aren't many of those (this is the only one I can remember), plus the first bars fitted my memory, including that pedal but not especially it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2023, 09:52:02 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 10, 2023, 06:58:37 AMOK, going to reveal the answers to the two that weren't guessed. Extremely eccentric, both of them.

This one contains an astounding and extremely early example of an amazing extended technique which we rarely see: the chords we see are to be played by a solo horn player. One note is played; one is sung; the combination of the two produces the difference tone of the third as if by magic. And the composer - I still find this almost unbelievable: Carl Maria von Weber (his Concertino for Horn and Orchestra). This line of music made me look at him all over again.

 
Wowza. Thanks for the enlightenment.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2023, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 10, 2023, 07:01:48 AM...and this one is one of those famous pages by Xenakis in which each of the pianist's fingers receives a stave for itself. In other words, the sample is to be played by one person. This is from his marvelously invigorating, pulverising Synaphai, one of my favourite works of his.
I certainly never knew.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 07:09:56 AM
Problem with this thread always was no one was at Luke's level, here are a couple that he might find more challenging:

1
(https://i.ibb.co/7J8PMnb/s1.png) (https://ibb.co/5Wtmpr2)
2
(https://i.ibb.co/swr8g3c/s2.png) (https://ibb.co/SnpF6vH)
3
(https://i.ibb.co/jRFpNhR/s3.png) (https://ibb.co/YZGrC2Z)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 15, 2023, 07:25:32 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 07:09:56 AMProblem with this thread always was no one was at Luke's level
True, although that is one reason I find the thread illuming.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 07:37:19 AM
Here is a more serious submission

(https://i.ibb.co/h8WmhDK/s5.png) (https://ibb.co/DKCRs57)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 15, 2023, 12:19:13 PM
Well these (first three) are essentially impossible, but good fun looking and (last one) I feel I've seen it, but I'm not sure where.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 15, 2023, 12:19:13 PMWell these (first three) are essentially impossible, but good fun looking and (last one) I feel I've seen it, but I'm not sure where.

Well, the first three are a joke.  The fourth is a lesser known piece by a major 20th century composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on May 15, 2023, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 01:09:15 PMWell, the first three are a joke.  The fourth is a lesser known piece by a major 20th century composer
Any hint as to what country claims them as their own (or countries)?

PD
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on May 15, 2023, 01:40:12 PMAny hint as to what country claims them as their own (or countries)?

PD

A country that did not exist at the beginning of the 20th century
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 16, 2023, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 01:50:58 PMA country that did not exist at the beginning of the 20th century

I infer from this that the composer in question was born after WWI in one of those countries, because had s/he been born before WWI s/he would have been born in an already existing country. Am I right or wrong?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 16, 2023, 03:24:21 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 16, 2023, 12:36:10 AMI infer from this that the composer in question was born after WWI in one of those countries, because had s/he been born before WWI s/he would have been born in an already existing country. Am I right or wrong?

The question was 'what country claims the composer'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 16, 2023, 03:40:05 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 16, 2023, 03:24:21 AMThe question was 'what country claims the composer'

Ah, I see. Then born either in the Russian Empire or the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, claimed by one of these countries: Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary or Czechoslovakia --- unless it's either Ligeti or Xenakis, the former Hungarian, the latter Greek, both born in Romania.

I'm really curious and I'm sure Luke will enlighten us.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 16, 2023, 06:31:03 PM
This melody is famous, but what work is this from?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 16, 2023, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Mapman on May 16, 2023, 06:31:03 PMThis melody is famous, but what work is this from?

The Eroica
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 16, 2023, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 16, 2023, 06:46:08 PMThe Eroica

This isn't from the 3rd symphony! Note, for example, the lack of violas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 16, 2023, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: Mapman on May 16, 2023, 07:08:33 PMThis isn't from the 3rd symphony! Note, for example, the lack of violas.

Ok, its #7 of 12 Contredanses, WoO 14.  Had to Google it, did not know he reused the theme
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 16, 2023, 07:53:40 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 16, 2023, 07:45:18 PMOk, its #7 of 12 Contredanses, WoO 14.  Had to Google it, did not know he reused the theme

Yes! Beethoven used that theme multiple times. I was aware of its use in the finale of The Creatures of Prometheus, and that he wrote a set of variations on it (which I have not heard yet). I wasn't aware of this one until today, when I listened to the Contredanses, WoO 14.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 18, 2023, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 15, 2023, 07:37:19 AMHere is a more serious submission

(https://i.ibb.co/h8WmhDK/s5.png) (https://ibb.co/DKCRs57)



Here is an excerpt from a more well known work by the composer

(https://i.ibb.co/jZktNN3/m22.png) (https://ibb.co/prjq774)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 03:37:49 PM
I have no idea who the examples from BWV 1080 could be... totally stumped, even with the clues.

I don't know the etiquette of this thread - should we wait until someone guesses correctly before posting our own 'mystery scores'?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 23, 2023, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 03:37:49 PMI have no idea who the examples from BWV 1080 could be... totally stumped, even with the clues.

I don't know the etiquette of this thread - should we wait until someone guesses correctly before posting our own 'mystery scores'?

Go for it
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 23, 2023, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 18, 2023, 02:03:50 PMHere is an excerpt from a more well known work by the composer

(https://i.ibb.co/jZktNN3/m22.png) (https://ibb.co/prjq774)

So again, this composer is from a country that did not exist as an independent political entity in 1900

The first piece is for solo piano, this excerpt is from a concerto
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 23, 2023, 04:06:42 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 03:37:49 PMI have no idea who the examples from BWV 1080 could be... totally stumped, even with the clues.

I don't know the etiquette of this thread - should we wait until someone guesses correctly before posting our own 'mystery scores'?
No, go right ahead. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 23, 2023, 03:57:05 PMSo again, this composer is from a country that did not exist as an independent political entity in 1900

The first piece is for solo piano, this excerpt is from a concerto

OK, I've taken a closer look these examples - and I **might** have an idea, of the composer at least, based on three things:

1. His native country didn't exist as an independent political entity in 1900. The country was in Andrei's list:

Quote from: Florestan on May 16, 2023, 03:40:05 AMAh, I see. Then born either in the Russian Empire or the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, claimed by one of these countries: Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary or Czechoslovakia

2. He wrote more tonal music earlier in his career (the key signature in the first example.)

3. And most tellingly, the style of notation used in the second example - reiterating accidentals for each note even within the same measure, which he used in his more mature compositions.

But unfortunately I don't know either of the pieces in the examples.

Would the composer be Witold Lutoslawski?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 05:19:31 PM
This one should be relatively easy, I'm guessing. Maybe?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52921168334_1d2335ecea_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oCsPAN)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 23, 2023, 05:21:46 PM
That's from Elgar's Enigmas
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 23, 2023, 05:21:46 PMThat's from Elgar's Enigmas

Very good, Luke! I'll have to make the next one more challenging...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 05:30:40 PMVery good, Luke! I'll have to make the next one more challenging...  ;D

I liked it!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 03:58:47 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 04:36:09 PMOK, I've taken a closer look these examples - and I **might** have an idea, of the composer at least, based on three things:

1. His native country didn't exist as an independent political entity in 1900. The country was in Andrei's list:

2. He wrote more tonal music earlier in his career (the key signature in the first example.)

3. And most tellingly, the style of notation used in the second example - reiterating accidentals for each note even within the same measure, which he used in his more mature compositions.

But unfortunately I don't know either of the pieces in the examples.

Would the composer be Witold Lutoslawski?

Yes!

It's the beginning of the 2nd movement of his 1937 piano sonata
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 04:35:04 AM
Ooh I missed that it had been identified! Kudos for getting that!  :D  :D  I'd been going round the houses, no idea why Lutoslawski didn't occur to me. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 04:48:39 AM
Just for variety, this isn't exactly a mystery score, but more a mystery song which can be identified by following this alternative set of lyrics which describe the music they are sung to. I'm sure this won't take you long, and I'm sure lots of you have seen this before, but it makes me laugh as in a very low-humour kind of way I'm a sucker for this ontological, self-descriptive song (see also e.g. Monty Python's The Song That Goes Like This, or Every Romantic Lied Ever - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luAI-fwC3_c ). So what song is this? I only give the middle section, as you will see, I'll give the whole thing when it's been identified. Not a classical song.

There's minor 7ths in the bridge
There's also lots of minor 2nds in the bridge
And every minor 6th is gonna try
To hear the supertonic over V of V
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 05:13:06 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 04:48:39 AMJust for variety, this isn't exactly a mystery score, but more a mystery song which can be identified by following this alternative set of lyrics which describe the music they are sung to. I'm sure this won't take you long, and I'm sure lots of you have seen this before, but it makes me laugh as in a very low-humour kind of way I'm a sucker for this ontological, self-descriptive song (see also e.g. Monty Python's The Song That Goes Like This, or Every Romantic Lied Ever - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luAI-fwC3_c ). So what song is this? I only give the middle section, as you will see, I'll give the whole thing when it's been identified. Not a classical song.

There's minor 7ths in the bridge
There's also lots of minor 2nds in the bridge
And every minor 6th is gonna try
To hear the supertonic over V of V


Would this be a Christmas song, by chance?  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 06:08:22 AM
Not a, THE ;D  Well done. Always tickles me, this stuff. The full lyrics:

Octave moving to the mediant
Major 6th stepping down to Do
Major seconds being sung by a choir,
Chromatic alterations of the scale
Diatonic scale, descending scale to minor third
Major 6th, ii V7 of I
Major seconds with the ears open wide
Will hear a pretty tritone tonight
There's minor 7ths in the bridge
There's also lots of minor 2nds in the bridge
And every minor 6th is gonna try
To hear the supertonic over V of V
A motif used to build this simple phrase
Major 6th 5 walks down to 1
Although this phrase rises to a high leading tone
Drop a perfect fifth
Meet the Flintstones
Sing a perfect fourth
2 1

...of which the third-last line is particularly cute.

And that link I gave, to Every Romantic Lied Ever - I particularly love the little spot-the-quotation parlour games in the last minute or so!

(the creator's channel is full of funny things like this - https://www.youtube.com/@FreddyWickhamMusic - but this is my favourite one)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 07:25:12 AM
Another lesser know piece by a major name

(https://i.ibb.co/tzcJpdY/ms2.png) (https://ibb.co/0KZGywY)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 07:51:18 AM
Thats the Mozart minuet that was completed by Sussmayer, I think. Haven't checked though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 09:04:53 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 07:51:18 AMThats the Mozart minuet that was completed by Sussmayer, I think. Haven't checked though.

Yes, dont know much about the origin of the piece - what is striking is how conventional the bass line is relative to the voice leading
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 09:13:58 AM
It's the harmony it produces, such as the augmented triad with which your example begins, that is the  reason why this piece is actually pretty famous as one of WAM's more extreme works - and Sussmayer....or is it Sussmayr....? anyway, his completion is so tame that it seems surprisingly incongruous (to my ears) and works to undermine the piece (in my opinion).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 09:13:58 AMIt's the harmony it produces, such as the augmented triad with which your example begins, that is the  reason why this piece is actually pretty famous as one of WAM's more extreme works - and Sussmayer....or is it Sussmayr....? anyway, his completion is so tame that it seems surprisingly incongruous (to my ears) and works to undermine the piece (in my opinion).

Hmmm...I'm misremembering something....checking the score on IMSLP the incongruity isn't there, and there's no mention of Sussmayr, either. So I checked, and I'm remembering another piece (the D minor Fantasy, K397) and another editor, August Muller, whose tacked-on ending is too tactful for its own good, seeming to pull the rug from under the piece by trying to tie everything up in the least obtrusive way possible, IMO. Shame, it's such a great piece until then.

Mea culpa, Sussmayr!  :-[  I traduced you!  :-[ 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 09:13:58 AMIt's the harmony it produces, such as the augmented triad with which your example begins, that is the  reason why this piece is actually pretty famous as one of WAM's more extreme works

Yeah, just curious if the idea was to come up with the most extreme harmony over a mundane bass line - the conventional realization for the first line would be, what - something like 4/2-6 then a cadence to D, then 6/5 - 3/5 (assuming you harmonized the 16th, then cadence to A?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 10:20:14 AM
It's always struck me as something like that, yes - that it is such odd harmony within such a standard frame. Great piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 10:37:33 AM
Another one, major piece by major composer this time

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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on May 24, 2023, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 09:26:57 AMHmmm...I'm misremembering something....checking the score on IMSLP the incongruity isn't there, and there's no mention of Sussmayr, either. So I checked, and I'm remembering another piece (the D minor Fantasy, K397) and another editor, August Muller, whose tacked-on ending is too tactful for its own good, seeming to pull the rug from under the piece by trying to tie everything up in the least obtrusive way possible, IMO. Shame, it's such a great piece until then.

Mea culpa, Sussmayr!  :-[  I traduced you!  :-[ 

I was greatly mystified by your previous post, Luke. It's common knowledge Sussmayr completed the Requiem but I racked my brain about what goddam minuet he also completed...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 10:37:33 AMAnother one, major piece by major composer this time

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My initial thought is something by the Second Viennese School...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 10:37:33 AMAnother one, major piece by major composer this time

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So that's a solo guitar work, it looks like - at least, despite the two staves, it's playable on a solo guitar, and the intricacies of the fingering, when deciphered, suggest it is to be played on one. But I can't find it amongst the major pieces of guitar music by major composers. The word 'on' suggests it's an English speaker... can't get more than that yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 01:03:26 PM
Meanwhile, here's my second submission. Major composer, slightly lesser known work (although it shouldn't be!)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52923120581_0f2605bd5b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oCCPWe)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 01:01:14 PMSo that's a solo guitar work, it looks like - at least, despite the two staves, it's playable on a solo guitar, and the intricacies of the fingering, when deciphered, suggest it is to be played on one. But I can't find it amongst the major pieces of guitar music by major composers. The word 'on' suggests it's an English speaker... can't get more than that yet.

Good catch on the guitar, Luke - it makes sense now. I don't suppose any of the Second Viennese School wrote any pieces using guitar? (the use of the word 'on' notwithstanding...) That style of notation, with an accidental preceding every note, is something I've seen in a lot of Second Viennese School scores, though they weren't the only ones to use it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 01:13:36 PM
There are pieces with guitar. Not as a solo AFAIK.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Roasted Swan on May 24, 2023, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 01:03:26 PMMeanwhile, here's my second submission. Major composer, slightly lesser known work (although it shouldn't be!)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52923120581_0f2605bd5b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oCCPWe)

Dvorak 5 2nd mov.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 01:00:25 PMMy initial thought is something by the Second Viennese School...

the excerpt follows a scale - so not particularly 2nd viennese-ish

but the composer did write some other music in that veinn
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 01:55:50 PM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 24, 2023, 01:40:09 PMDvorak 5 2nd mov.

You are correct! One of the most underrated symphonies of all time. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 24, 2023, 01:40:09 PMDvorak 5 2nd mov.

Damn just beat me to it - the alto trombone is a big clue
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:17:40 PM
Here's one for you. This is the piano reduction (for rehearsal only) at the bottom of a choral work, which I've cut out, partly just so it's easier to read the notes, partly to deny you the text...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
....and here's a really straightforward one. Glorious piece of music.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:31:24 PM
...another, equally straightforward. This is linked to the previous one in my own mind, though that probably won't help. I'll explain why later.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:35:26 PM
Another, linked to the previous in the same way. It's a full orchestral score, I've chopped off the wind and brass just so it's easier to see, but they don't contain any big clues.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:41:52 PM
The same (personal) connection with this one, plus a more obvious one to one of my last scores.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:45:44 PM
Another. This is a big orchestral score, but you're just getting a couple of bars of the flute/picc part. Connected to the others in the same way (which, as I say, probably won't help you). Famous piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:48:57 PM
Another. Very obvious. Again, you're just getting a bit of the score, there are other things happening here. Same connection.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:54:16 PM
Last one. You may notice that most of these files are called 'mystery location x' - in fact all of them bar the first one (the piano reduction one) should be called that. And this one, #6, is actually the same location as #4.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:54:34 PM
I will stop there though in fact I could add a few more.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:45:44 PMAnother. This is a big orchestral score, but you're just getting a couple of bars of the flute/picc part. Connected to the others in the same way (which, as I say, probably won't help you). Famous piece.

Is this Bax's Tintagel? The one with the flute and piccolo parts marked 'Very moderate tempo'? ("Mystery Location 4")
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:56:34 PM
It certainly is. Well done!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:54:16 PMLast one. You may notice that most of these files are called 'mystery location x' - in fact all of them bar the first one (the piano reduction one) should be called that. And this one, #6, is actually the same location as #4.

"Mystery Location 6" appears to be Elgar's Second Symphony, first movement.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:59:35 PM
Correct. Also 'from' Tintagel... What an amazing piece. This movement is indescribably good. This is the 'ghost' section...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 03:07:37 PM
"Mystery Location 5" is, of course, Vaughan Williams' 'Pastoral' Symphony,

While "Mystery Meanderings" I think is Holst - though I don't know the piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
Very good on both. Holst is so clear, isn't he? This is his best piece - he thought. I tend to agree.

As I say, really that one should have been Mystery Location 1. That's a clue, especially if you think about the other ones you've got. It might help with the missing ones (get out a map?)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 04:07:52 PM
It would stand to reason that the flugelhorn part is dead giveaway for the one labeled "Mystery location" - Vaughan Williams' Ninth Symphony. "Mystery location 3" looks like Vaughan Williams too, though the piece eludes me. "Mystery location 2" is really tricky - it's that font. Could it be someone as out-of-the way as Granville Bantock or Josef Holbrooke? I'm pretty stumped on this one.

As I am on your "Mystery piano reduction", as well as BWV 1080's guitar piece. I'll keep thinking...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 04:16:01 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 04:07:52 PMIt would stand to reason that the flugelhorn part is dead giveaway for the one labeled "Mystery location" - Vaughan Williams' Ninth Symphony. "Mystery location 3" looks like Vaughan Williams too, though the piece eludes me. "Mystery location 2" is really tricky - it's that font. Could it be someone as out-of-the way as Granville Bantock or Josef Holbrooke? I'm pretty stumped on this one.

As I am on your "Mystery piano reduction", as well as BWV 1080's guitar piece. I'll keep thinking...

Your guesses are all spot on except that Mystery location 2 is neither Bantock nor Holbrook. A comparable but somewhat higher level of fame, unimpeachable reputation and - imo - a much better composer than either.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 04:57:32 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:17:40 PMHere's one for you. This is the piano reduction (for rehearsal only) at the bottom of a choral work, which I've cut out, partly just so it's easier to read the notes, partly to deny you the text...

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 24, 2023, 05:30:42 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 24, 2023, 04:57:32 PM

That ('There is Sweet Music', op. 53 no. 1) is a great piece!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on May 24, 2023, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:48:57 PMAnother. Very obvious. Again, you're just getting a bit of the score, there are other things happening here. Same connection.
This is the only one I recognize so far - it's RVW, from his 3rd Symphony (Pastoral).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 24, 2023, 10:16:38 PM
Yes, these are both correct.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 04:39:57 AM
The composer of my score was from a country that was a major participant in WW2, lived for a few years in an occupied country and then briefly served in his country's army toward the end of the war but fortunately did not see combat
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 04:39:57 AMThe composer of my score was from a country that was a major participant in WW2, lived for a few years in an occupied country and then briefly served in his country's army toward the end of the war but fortunately did not see combat

Could it be Hans Werner Henze? He fits the first and third of your criteria, and the second if you consider Germany 'occupied'. He also wrote several important works for guitar, most notably Royal Winter Music.

Not sure this is it... but maybe?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on May 25, 2023, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 24, 2023, 01:05:15 PMI don't suppose any of the Second Viennese School wrote any pieces using guitar?
I believe Schoenberg's Serenade, Op. 24 includes guitar.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 10:42:52 AM
After two relatively easy mystery scores on my part, maybe this one will be a bit more challenging? We'll see...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52924883312_e297ba909f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oCMRW9)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 25, 2023, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 09:59:30 AMCould it be Hans Werner Henze? He fits the first and third of your criteria, and the second if you consider Germany 'occupied'. He also wrote several important works for guitar, most notably Royal Winter Music.

Not sure this is it... but maybe?

Henze was my first thought but I couldn't find this in either of the Royal Winter sonatas nor in the Tentos.  I may have missed it. But I used to listen to the Shakespeare  pieces a lot, with the score, and it doesn't look like them really
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 25, 2023, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 10:42:52 AMAfter two relatively easy mystery scores on my part, maybe this one will be a bit more challenging? We'll see...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52924883312_e297ba909f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oCMRW9)


Looks a bit like Petterson in some ways, but I don't know
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 11:25:38 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 09:59:30 AMCould it be Hans Werner Henze? He fits the first and third of your criteria, and the second if you consider Germany 'occupied'. He also wrote several important works for guitar, most notably Royal Winter Music.

Not sure this is it... but maybe?

Not Henze, but good guess
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 25, 2023, 11:08:41 AMLooks a bit like Petterson in some ways, but I don't know

I can see it looking like Pettersson - but it's not. Good guess, though! Look at how some of the instruments are labelled (horns, timpani, violas)...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on May 25, 2023, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Karl Henning on May 25, 2023, 10:10:36 AMI believe Schoenberg's Serenade, Op. 24 includes guitar.

Also Webern's Op. 18 songs, for voice, E-flat clarinet, and guitar.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: krummholz on May 25, 2023, 12:53:57 PMAlso Webern's Op. 18 songs, for voice, E-flat clarinet, and guitar.

completing the trinity, doesnt Wozzeck have a guitar part?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 03:14:57 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 01:20:32 PMcompleting the trinity, doesnt Wozzeck have a guitar part?

In the onstage dance band, in Act 2, Scene 4!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 26, 2023, 06:01:30 AM
Still not completed my 'location' series (which includes 'Mystery meanderings' as I hadn't decided on the locations theme when I posted that one!). SO far we have:

Mystery meanderings #aka locations #0 - Holst - ?? - surprised this hasn't been snaffled, it's one of his most famous and best pieces.
Mystery location - Vaughan Williams Symphony 9
Mystery location 2
Mystery location 3 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 5
Mystery location 4 - Bax - Tintagel
Mystery location 5 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 3
Mystery location 6 - Elgar - Symphony 2

When it comes to the symphonies I have posted from the parts which are relevant to the location.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 26, 2023, 06:03:41 AM
The guitar one - is it actually from a solo work, as it appears. Or is this part of a larger work with other instruments. Because - given the clues you've given - it's a bugger to pin down!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 06:32:32 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 06:03:41 AMThe guitar one - is it actually from a solo work, as it appears. Or is this part of a larger work with other instruments. Because - given the clues you've given - it's a bugger to pin down!  ;D

Solo work, non-guitarist composer of equal stature to Henze within the guitar lit.  This was the last of several pieces the composer wrote for the instrument
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: amw on May 26, 2023, 08:21:04 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 10:42:52 AMAfter two relatively easy mystery scores on my part, maybe this one will be a bit more challenging? We'll see...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52924883312_e297ba909f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oCMRW9)
It's Koechlin - The Jungle Book

Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 06:01:30 AMStill not completed my 'location' series (which includes 'Mystery meanderings' as I hadn't decided on the locations theme when I posted that one!). SO far we have:

Mystery meanderings #aka locations #0 - Holst - ?? - surprised this hasn't been snaffled, it's one of his most famous and best pieces.
Mystery location - Vaughan Williams Symphony 9
Mystery location 2
Mystery location 3 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 5
Mystery location 4 - Bax - Tintagel
Mystery location 5 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 3
Mystery location 6 - Elgar - Symphony 2

When it comes to the symphonies I have posted from the parts which are relevant to the location.

Holst is presumably Egdon Heath but I don't know what "mystery location 2" might be.

I also know nothing about the guitar literature; my guess would have been Petrassi but that seems to have been shot down already.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on May 26, 2023, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:41:52 PMThe same (personal) connection with this one, plus a more obvious one to one of my last scores.

Oooh... this one is from the slow movement of RVW's 5th I think... pastoral dialogue between oboe and cor anglais, just preceding the strings' passionate entry.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 26, 2023, 08:44:47 AM
Quote from: amw on May 26, 2023, 08:21:04 AMIt's Koechlin - The Jungle Book
You're exactly right! Specifically, Le Loi de la Jungle.

Quote from: amw on May 26, 2023, 08:21:04 AMHolst is presumably Egdon Heath but I don't know what "mystery location 2" might be.
I don't know my non-Planets Holst nearly as well as I should, so short of actually looking at the score, I can't say whether you're right about Egdon Heath.

As far as "Mystery location 2", I had a couple more wild guesses: Frank Bridge and Frederick Delius. But looking at their scores, they tended to indicate names of instruments in English, so...

But I'm assuming a British composer... which may or may not be correct!

Quote from: amw on May 26, 2023, 08:21:04 AMI also know nothing about the guitar literature; my guess would have been Petrassi but that seems to have been shot down already.
This one really has me flummoxed...


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 08:53:13 AM
Here is another mystery score, related to the guitar example.  It an opening solo line from a famous orchestral work

(https://i.ibb.co/x7NJpNW/ms4.png) (https://ibb.co/z4zGyzp)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 26, 2023, 09:05:31 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 08:53:13 AMHere is another mystery score, related to the guitar example.  It an opening solo line from a famous orchestral work

(https://i.ibb.co/x7NJpNW/ms4.png) (https://ibb.co/z4zGyzp)

That looks a lot like Elliott Carter... though he doesn't fit this:
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 04:39:57 AMThe composer of my score was from a country that was a major participant in WW2, lived for a few years in an occupied country and then briefly served in his country's army toward the end of the war but fortunately did not see combat
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 26, 2023, 09:05:31 AMThat looks a lot like Elliott Carter... though he doesn't fit this:

And Carter did not use double staves in any of his guitar pieces

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 09:10:26 AM
its not that hard - this composer should be one of the first names to drop when talking about major 20th century composers who wrote multiple works for guitar

This guitar piece I posted was even played at his funeral
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 26, 2023, 09:46:08 AM
Hill Runes. Maxwell Davies. I feel like a melon if so. That score does not look like Maxwell Davies!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 09:46:08 AMHill Runes. Maxwell Davies. I feel like a melon if so. That score does not look like Maxwell Davies!

Nope, not English composer

For another obscure clue -
Not sure if they met, but there is an IMDB connection to Sean Connery
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 26, 2023, 01:53:46 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 09:49:33 AMNope, not English composer

Phew, I hoped it wasn't him! It didn't look like him, but lots of the clues fit

 - he is more or less the same 'level of importance' as Henze, I'd say (if such a thing can be measured_
 - he did write a number of works for guitar
 - this is the last one
 - it was played at his funeral.

A few months ago I stood in PMD's house, where he had died, with the man who was with him at the time, and discussed that funeral, which took place just a short walk away. I was even shown a small Viking box PMD had collected and upon which his grave had been designed. So it would be embarrassing if it had been him! Like I said - I'm glad!

Of course, one clue didn't fit - the one about being called to service in the war. I forgot that clue, which couldn't have applied to PMD
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 26, 2023, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 01:53:46 PM- it was played at his funeral.


Needlessly tying myself in knots here. Initially I didn't think Hill Runes was played at PMD's funeral, I'd only ever heard of the Farewell to Stromness being played there, but when double-checking I sloppily misread something on Musicweb which therefore appeared to say it was Hill Runes after all...

Quote from: MusicwebHill Runes was written for Julian Bream with five movements or sections that each refer to lines of poetry by George Mackay Brown. This is a work, filled with remarkably skilful writing for guitar, though its tradition steps away consciously from Spanish traditions of playing, looking more towards the counterpoint of the lute music, which is more a product of British names such as John Dowland. Angular but deeply expressive, this is not really Dowland-esque in its effect, though the longer Adagio molto does seem to be searching comparable emotional realms of love and loss. this is the bit I didn't read... Staying with Sean Shibe's superlative guitar playing, the Farewell to Stromness, a deservedly popular transcription of a cabaret piece originally for piano, is a tune that Maxwell Davies said he would be content to be remembered by. Given the context here it can't help but bring a tear to the eye, as it was the only music played at Maxwell Davies's funeral. Farewell indeed.

I was surprised, but it seemed to fit BWV's clue, so I went with it. What a fool!  :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 02:39:40 PM
Interesting, did not know that about Hill Runes.   While the excerpt I posted was dedicated to John Williams, there is a Julian Bream connection as well


Don't think there is a PMD connection to a Sean Connery movie
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 26, 2023, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 02:39:40 PMInteresting, did not know that about Hill Runes.  While the excerpt I posted was dedicated to John Williams, there is a Julian Bream connection as well

Don't think there is a PMD connection to a Sean Connery movie

I think I have the answer... not through any familiarity with the music in question, but through working through BWV 1080's many hints. Wikipedia definitely helped... ;D

The composer (I'm pretty sure) is Toru Takemitsu. I don't know the specific piece, but everything else fits:

-Even though he was only 14 years old, Takemitsu was drafted into the Japanese army in 1944.
-He wrote the music to the film Rising Sun... starring Sean Connery.
-John Williams championed Takemitsu's guitar works, and recorded some of them for Sony Classical in 1989, so it's only fitting that Takemitsu would dedicate a piece to Williams.
-Upon closer examination, the orchestral snippet you posted certainly looks like Takemitsu, though I was thrown off by the English indication 'soloistically'. 

I initially ruled out Takemitsu knowing he was born in 1930 - surely too young for military service during WWII. But apparently not...  :(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 26, 2023, 08:09:57 PM
Based on all that it sounds very likely, well done! And the orchestral pieces looks very Takemitsu-like which pretty much confirms it. I had considered Takemitsu but this snippet didn't appear to be in any of the pieces I looked at (the Folios, All In Twilight, the Piece for Solo Guitar and In the Woods). But if it is his last guitar piece then it is In the Woods and I missed it. Which is pretty shoddy work!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 26, 2023, 08:32:00 PM
It is. It's the first movement. I was listening to the third by mistake. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 27, 2023, 02:59:14 AM
Yes that's it.  Was a challenge to drop clues without giving it away
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 28, 2023, 01:15:02 AM
Clues to my remaining one, Mystery location 2

Firstly, remember that these pieces are all linked by a connection which, though personal to me, can be grasped by plotting them on a map. Remember we have the following locations:

Tintagel

Egdon Heath

and locations (three of them, I'll give you that) connected to RVW symphonies 9, 3 and 5. The odd ordering I've just given is the order in  which, in my estimation, these connections are generally known about.

Mystery location 2 is an orchestral piece by a composer who also wrote a great piano concerto and some other fine orchestral scores but who was mostly a specialist in piano music, a miniaturist, and a great composer of songs and chamber music. No symphonies, though, which is another very specific hint around these parts. Previois guesses as to its composer  have been in the right area. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Roasted Swan on May 28, 2023, 04:11:01 AM
Quote from: Luke on May 28, 2023, 01:15:02 AMClues to my remaining one, Mystery location 2

Firstly, remember that these pieces are all linked by a connection which, though personal to me, can be grasped by plotting them on a map. Remember we have the following locations:

Tintagel

Egdon Heath

and locations (three of them, I'll give you that) connected to RVW symphonies 9, 3 and 5. The odd ordering I've just given is the order in  which, in my estimation, these connections are generally known about.

Mystery location 2 is an orchestral piece by a composer who also wrote a great piano concerto and some other fine orchestral scores but who was mostly a specialist in piano music, a miniaturist, and a great composer of songs and chamber music. No symphonies, though, which is another very specific hint around these parts. Previois guesses as to its composer  have been in the right area. 

Duh.... ireland's Mai-Dun
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 28, 2023, 04:56:55 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 28, 2023, 04:11:01 AMDuh.... ireland's Mai-Dun

Woz Dun. 😁
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 28, 2023, 06:04:48 AM
So, the personal connection: these were all amongst the locations that I visited in a single day during the journeying I made for my book. I made a great number of enormous drives, and in total my Scottish expedition was the most epic, but no single day's drive was longer, more varied or more eventful than this one. All these locations are in the south east of England; I am in the east, so it took a few hours even to get to the first destination. I left at 11.30 pm, had to make a detour that cost me an hour or so, and arrived a mile north of Stonehenge in the deep darkness before dawn. I was here because it was an important location to RVW, whose Stonehenge-Tess of the d'Urbervilles usage in the 9th Symphony is only the last of a series of occurrences of it in his thought. In Tess, Stonehenge is where, at the end of the book, Tess is arrested for murder at dawn. I walked to it in the pitch dark, so that it was invisible without night filters on my camera.  Suddenly, in the darkness, a light accusingly swung towards me, too - a security guard on his rounds... [photo 1]

This part of the world was somewhere RVW returned to often. He found it both inspiring and a good place to work. in peace. On the next day, among other destinations, I visited the house in Oare where he wrote Flos Campi. But on this day, after Stonehenge and only a few miles away I visited the village of Stapleford, where the 5th symphony was forming in his mind. [the house he stayed in: picture 2]

Then another 15 miles or so, to open countryside between the villages of Sutton Veny and Longbridge Deverill. [picture 3] This is where Private Vaughan Williams was stationed in 1916, immediately before leaving for France. It is - runs one version of the story - where he heard the practising bugler whose inability to hit the octave accurately inspired that moment on cosmic melancholy in the 3rd.

Then I visited Whitesheet Hill, which was Birtwistle's favourite place, and the house in Mere where he had lived, and died, last April. [no picture]

Then south to Holst's Egdon Heath, an imaginary location in Hardy's Return of the Native based on some very definite places, of which this one - the Rainbarrows, a walk away from Hardy's birthplace - is the most definite of all. It was about 10 in the morning by the time I got there. I got utterly soaked, but over the succeeding months it felt more and more like it had been a pivotal moment in my year of journeys. [picture 4]

Not done yet, I drove, via Hardy's house in Dorchester, to the gigantic earthworks at Maiden Castle, Hardy's Mai-Dun. As I walked around it, the previous downpour was already imperceptible. The whole place was bone dry and enormous. [picture 5]

Then - it was about 1.00 by now, I think - another long drive, all the way to Tintagel, on Cornwall's north coast. I did quite a lot here, and afterwards drove even further south to try to find the viewpoints where Bax would have tried to commune with Harriet Cohen, but they weren't viable in the weather. This picture [picture 6] is taken in Rocky Valley, where Elgar and Alice Sturt-Wortley went for a mysterious walk that seems to have been pivotal in the composition of the 2nd Symphony.

By the time I'd finished my Cornwall visits, it was about 5 or 6. But I had a lot more driving to do as I headed west again so s to be as near as I could get to my next day's destinations. So another long drive followed, before stopping at Glastonbury, where I wanted to see the rooms in which Boughton's The Immortal Hour was first performed [picture 7 - I didn't do a clue for this one, maybe I should have] and where I finally fell asleep in the back of the car in Glastonbury, only a hedge between me and the supposed grave of King Arthur.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 10:39:08 AM
That sounds like quite the adventure, Luke! I like how the pieces of music fit in to the story.

Meanwhile, here's my latest submission. Hopefully, even though it doesn't show the instrument names, you can see that this is a conventional orchestral score with a conventional layout:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52938313479_a59ede4fd3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oDYGfK)

I've blanked out the date at the bottom of the score...  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 30, 2023, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 10:39:08 AMThat sounds like quite the adventure, Luke! I like how the pieces of music fit in to the story.

Meanwhile, here's my latest submission. Hopefully, even though it doesn't show the instrument names, you can see that this is a conventional orchestral score with a conventional layout:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52938313479_a59ede4fd3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oDYGfK)

I've blanked out the date at the bottom of the score...  ;D
No key signature?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 11:07:03 AM
It's E minor. I suppose I could repost the score with the instrument names (and thus the key signature.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 11:29:32 AM
Here's the score from above, with instrument names, key signature... and a rehearsal letter:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52938687960_f5f38ec0d0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oE1Bzj)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on May 30, 2023, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 11:29:32 AMHere's the score from above, with instrument names, key signature... and a rehearsal letter:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52938687960_f5f38ec0d0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oE1Bzj)

Tempo? ;)

Seriously, this should be easy for anyone who has heard it as it's a quite distinctive and easily read passage. But I'm pretty sure it's not from anything I'm familiar with or have heard recently.

(But it's almost certainly 19th century, and my guess would be one of the Russians, perhaps Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff.)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: krummholz on May 30, 2023, 11:48:59 AMTempo? ;)

Seriously, this should be easy for anyone who has heard it as it's a quite distinctive and easily read passage. But I'm pretty sure it's not from anything I'm familiar with or have heard recently.

(But it's almost certainly 19th century, and my guess would be one of the Russians, perhaps Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff.)

The last tempo indication is 'Molto meno mosso' ;D which I don't suppose is all that helpful.... the tempo goes through many modifications; the tempo at the outset of the movement is 'Allegro con fuoco'.

The composer isn't Russian, though that's a very good guess! I can see it being Tchaikovsky; it certainly has the same white-hot passion!

Look at how the instruments are labeled - specifically, in what language?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: LKB on May 30, 2023, 12:52:18 PM
Sigh...

Hundreds of hours of music memorized between the ages of fourteen and twenty-five, yet it apparently wasn't enough!  ::)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 30, 2023, 01:08:56 PM
The harmony is not right for 19th cent, no leading tone (D#) on the page, the penultimate chord in the strings is D-F#-C-E-A, its more of a modal minor sound, maybe Ravel or one of Les Six or perhaps a wrong-note neoclassical work
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 30, 2023, 01:22:49 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 11:29:32 AMHere's the score from above, with instrument names, key signature... and a rehearsal letter:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52938687960_f5f38ec0d0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oE1Bzj)

I've figured it out, but through searching the internet (there's some interesting text on the score) instead of musical knowledge. I'll give people more time to figure it out before ruining the surprise.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 30, 2023, 01:30:19 PM
It's the end of Howard Hanson's First Symphony
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 30, 2023, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Mapman on May 30, 2023, 01:22:49 PMI've figured it out, but through searching the internet (there's some interesting text on the score) instead of musical knowledge.

That's perfectly within the (unwritten) rules. It's all about nosing out those clues and knowing how to follow them up!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 30, 2023, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 10:39:08 AMThat sounds like quite the adventure, Luke!

...and, thanks, yes it was. Taken together, these trips round the country, to inspirational musical locations famous and utterly obscure, have changed me in quite unexpected ways. It's been quite a year.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 01:43:25 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 30, 2023, 01:30:19 PMIt's the end of Howard Hanson's First Symphony

We have a winner! I was figuring out how to give some hints, but Luke beat me to it. ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Mapman on May 30, 2023, 01:45:54 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 30, 2023, 01:32:09 PMThat's perfectly within the (unwritten) rules. It's all about nosing out those clues and knowing how to follow them up!

I found this list of fellows of the American Academy in Rome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fellows_of_the_American_Academy_in_Rome_(1896%E2%80%931970)
That list gave Howard Hanson and Randall Thompson as the most likely candidates. So it was then easy to find the ending of Hanson's 1st symphony.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: LKB on May 30, 2023, 01:50:47 PM
Grats to Luke.  8)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: Mapman on May 30, 2023, 01:45:54 PMI found this list of fellows of the American Academy in Rome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fellows_of_the_American_Academy_in_Rome_(1896%E2%80%931970)
That list gave Howard Hanson and Randall Thompson as the most likely candidates. So it was then easy to find the ending of Hanson's 1st symphony.

I was wondering if 'American Academy in Rome' would help someone hone in on the answer! I blanked out the year, which was 1922.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on May 30, 2023, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 30, 2023, 01:43:25 PMWe have a winner! I was figuring out how to give some hints, but Luke beat me to it. ;D

Interesting. Totally unknown work (to me). I've heard his 2nd, but not his first.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 30, 2023, 01:56:26 PM
Quote from: LKB on May 30, 2023, 01:50:47 PMGrats to Luke.  8)

Well, really to Mapman. He got there first but was just more polite than me.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 31, 2023, 09:24:35 AM
Here's today's submission - something a little different. I did blank out one indication that might have given away too much.  ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52940760114_e3f96f6b89_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oEcey7)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 31, 2023, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 31, 2023, 09:24:35 AMHere's today's submission - something a little different. I did blank out one indication that might have given away too much.  ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52940760114_e3f96f6b89_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oEcey7)

The blanked out text being the reference to Manuel DeFalla?


Which dance from El Amor Brujo is he quoting?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 31, 2023, 11:43:26 AM
Here is a somewhat (in)famous passage

(https://i.ibb.co/nqXTPZM/ms5.png) (https://ibb.co/RGX1jZT)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on May 31, 2023, 11:49:47 AM
That's one of the model modulations in Max Reger's book on the subject, I think.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 31, 2023, 12:01:16 PM
Quote from: Luke on May 31, 2023, 11:49:47 AMThat's one of the model modulations in Max Reger's book on the subject, I think.

yes, I wonder if you can find this anywhere in Reger's music - a piece that actually modulates from C major to B# major - that would be a good post for this thread

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on May 31, 2023, 12:23:02 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 31, 2023, 11:22:11 AMThe blanked out text being the reference to Manuel DeFalla?


Which dance from El Amor Brujo is he quoting?

That was quick! Very well done.

The text I blanked out was baigné de pédales ("bathed in pedals"), which I figured would give away that it was a French composer.

And here's the title:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52941455545_60247baf67_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oEfNhi)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on May 31, 2023, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 31, 2023, 12:23:02 PMAnd here's the title:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52941455545_60247baf67_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oEfNhi)

The part is in the Pantomina, around the 18:00 mark (the Youtube linker does not seem to take a timestamp)

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2023, 04:12:42 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 31, 2023, 12:01:16 PMyes, I wonder if you can find this anywhere in Reger's music - a piece that actually modulates from C major to B# major - that would be a good post for this thread




If B# major exists anywhere, it will be in Reger at his more extreme. However I'm pretty sure you won't find it even there!


Of course B# major is only what is known as a theoretical key, and so is E# major - but when Havergal Brian uses E# major instead of F at a climactic point in the 8th Symphony I can swear you hear the music lit up by the inner luminescence such a key implies! (I'm just hearing things, I know...but I certainly heard something extraordinary in this passage long before I knew how oddly Brian had notated it)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 06:39:23 AM
Here is one with a tie to classicalgeek's last example

(https://i.ibb.co/XYxXb48/ms6.png) (https://ibb.co/6X0YmZB)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2023, 06:48:28 AM
Haven't looked yet but at first glimpse  it looks a bit like a guitar transcription of Debussy's Soiree dans Grenade. I'll look further...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2023, 06:51:00 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 01, 2023, 06:48:28 AMHaven't looked yet but at first glimpse  it looks a bit like a guitar transcription of Debussy's Soiree dans Grenade. I'll look further...

...I mean, it isn't,  but it's similar....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 06:57:48 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 01, 2023, 06:51:00 AM...I mean, it isn't,  but it's similar....

right, a quotation not a transcription
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2023, 07:01:46 AM
Oh, it's the end of the Falla Homenaje, isn't it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Great piece. There are so many great pieces in that Debussy Tombeau volume
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 07:05:17 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 01, 2023, 07:01:46 AMOh, it's the end of the Falla Homenaje, isn't it.

Yes, the inverse of Classicalgeek's French composer borrowing from Falla
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 07:37:14 AM
Here is a fugue subject

(https://i.ibb.co/8XP7nmd/ms7.png) (https://ibb.co/QXYK7JC)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 01, 2023, 08:20:16 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 31, 2023, 01:23:18 PMThe part is in the Pantomina, around the 18:00 mark (the Youtube linker does not seem to take a timestamp)


Really interesting to note Poulenc's take on it versus the original! With Falla, it has this nocturnal quality about it, and of course it's more in G major. With Poulenc, it becomes something completely different in the minor mode.

Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 07:05:17 AMYes, the inverse of Classicalgeek's French composer borrowing from Falla

Fascinating! The repertoire is full of composers paying tribute to others - intentionally or not!

Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 07:37:14 AMHere is a fugue subject

(https://i.ibb.co/8XP7nmd/ms7.png) (https://ibb.co/QXYK7JC)

The third and fourth measure seem really familiar! But I can't quite place it...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on June 01, 2023, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 01, 2023, 08:20:16 AMThe third and fourth measure seem really familiar! But I can't quite place it...

Ditto. I thought it might be either the C minor or Eb major fugue from Shostakovich Op. 87, but it's neither... who else wrote fugue subjects that themselves modulate to remote keys?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: LKB on June 01, 2023, 02:15:53 PM
Not 100% positive as l don't have the work memorized completely, but l think it's from the final movement of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 6.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: LKB on June 01, 2023, 02:15:53 PMNot 100% positive as l don't have the work memorized completely, but l think it's from the final movement of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 6.

No, not Shosty
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 01, 2023, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 07:37:14 AMHere is a fugue subject

(https://i.ibb.co/8XP7nmd/ms7.png) (https://ibb.co/QXYK7JC)

It reminds me a bit of Elgar... but we've had some 'mystery scores' of Elgar's recently, so I'm guessing it's not him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: LKB on June 01, 2023, 05:00:25 PM
Pretty sure it's not British. Prokofiev keeps coming to mind, since Shostakovich was ruled out.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: LKB on June 01, 2023, 05:02:33 PM
Or maybe Rachmaninoff, I don't have the Symphonic Dances memorized either.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on June 01, 2023, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: LKB on June 01, 2023, 05:00:25 PMPretty sure it's not British. Prokofiev keeps coming to mind, since Shostakovich was ruled out.

Rats. I was going to suggest Sorabji.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2023, 07:42:45 PM
Doesn't look/sound like Sorabji at all to my eyes/ears. But it does seem plausible that it could be British, I wouldn't rule it out.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 01, 2023, 07:51:32 PM
The excerpt I posted is written for one violin and it's a chamber music piece
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 01, 2023, 10:54:54 PM
I assumed that much, (that's not a piano layout, its the top line of a system and more likely violin than flute...) but it's still tricky!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 02, 2023, 06:47:44 AM
here is the final entry of the exposition

(https://i.ibb.co/qnhBQDp/ms9.png) (https://ibb.co/Qch9wJM)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: krummholz on June 02, 2023, 08:40:22 AM
Classical era or early Romantic from the sound of it, Eb major not C minor, but I can't place the composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 02, 2023, 09:21:45 AM
This is the frontplate from the first edition on IMSLP, which gives an indication when it might have been published

(https://i.ibb.co/m90h2TD/ms8.png) (https://ibb.co/PcM1Pjm)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 02, 2023, 09:29:58 AM
You basically gave it away with this.

Reger wrote his String Quartet in E flat major, Opus 109, in 1909 and dedicated it to the Privy Connsellor, Professor Adolf Wach, the husband of Mendelssohn's youngest daughter Lili.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 02, 2023, 09:39:15 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 02, 2023, 09:29:58 AMYou basically gave it away with this.

Reger wrote his String Quartet in E flat major, Opus 109, in 1909 and dedicated it to the Privy Connsellor, Professor Adolf Wach, the husband of Mendelssohn's youngest daughter Lili.

Fair enough, googled 'Adolph Wach' to see if it gave it away (which it did not) but did not google 'dedicated to adolph wach'
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 02, 2023, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 02, 2023, 09:39:15 AMFair enough, googled 'Adolph Wach' to see if it gave it away (which it did not) but did not google 'dedicated to adolph wach'

I googled "Adolf Wach string quartet". ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 02, 2023, 09:58:39 AM
Yes, but does it modulate from C to B#..... ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 02, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Speaking of scores, I am reminded of a bon mot of the Spanish pianist Ricardo Viñes, an early and outspoken champion of Debussy and Ravel. Noticing that many people in the audience were listening head in score, he commented something to the effect that "These people listen not with their ears but with their noses." ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 02, 2023, 10:21:17 AM
Here's another one whose home location I visited during my travels

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 02, 2023, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 02, 2023, 10:21:17 AMHere's another one whose home location I visited during my travels



Although only the truly enlightened can hear ppppp...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Emb_logo.png/220px-Emb_logo.png)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 02, 2023, 11:35:22 AM
Your edit suggests you know the answer...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 02, 2023, 12:42:12 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 02, 2023, 11:35:22 AMYour edit suggests you know the answer...

Yes, a little disappointed I could not find an Aliester Crowley  connection, music for dark rites at Boleskine..

(https://www.losdoggies.com/Crap/casio%20ritual.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 02, 2023, 01:05:22 PM
It's not connected to Boleskine, though by coincidence that's a place I've done lots of work on. It was nearly on my itinerary for my travels but I changed my plans.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 02, 2023, 01:06:22 PM
I mean there may be a tangential Boleskin connection but I'm not aware of it
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 06:16:43 AM
Here is the piece, can't say that I think much of it - other than it was ahead of it's time in sounding like wrong note noodling.


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 06:26:05 AM
How about this one?

(https://i.ibb.co/0s0HXJx/Mys1.png) (https://ibb.co/0s0HXJx)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 06:33:10 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080Here is the piece, can't say that I think much of it - other than it was ahead of it's time in sounding like wrong note noodling.

Conceptually, though, it's not really a piece one can think much of or otherwise. It just happened to him, however you wish to explain it. It's empty of content, almost, and at the same time, to him, it was of huge significance. I am of the opinion (backed up documentarily) that certain other Foulds' works were born in a similar way - the Elysium of the World Requiem is one of them; the second of the Three Mantras is another. And April-England, which is a shattering and unique masterpiece IMO, is really this same piece with a more harmonically involving ground bass, all laid on the top of a psychogeographical kind of programme.
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Post by: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 06:38:29 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 03, 2023, 06:33:10 AMConceptually, though, it's not really a piece one can think much of or otherwise. It just happened to him, however you wish to explain it. It's empty of content, almost, and at the same time, to him, it was of huge significance. I am of the opinion (backed up documentarily) that certain other Foulds' works were born in a similar way - the Elysium of the World Requiem is one of them; the second of the Three Mantras is another. And April-England, which is a shattering and unique masterpiece IMO, is really this same piece with a more harmonically involving ground bass, all laid on the top of a psychogeographical kind of programme.

Will take a listen, but in terms of supposed mystical inspiration the 'garbage in garbage out' rule applies, no?   I don't have a high opinion of late 19th century occultism
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 06:42:59 AM
The Ghandarva Music, though it has an opus number, was 'written' (not really the word) about ten years before it was published, and when it saw the light of day it was accompanied by pieces such as those mentioned above. In my view it was useful for him in providing a kind of prototype of a certain type of sound, but not as a piece in itself. It is utterly and blandly neutral in itself, just a bass that descends diatonically from D to A and goes back again, with more diatonic flurries above it - it might be the way the ghandarvas sing(!) but it's not really what we humans want to listen to. It's real outcome is things like the verdant growth in the central ground bass section of April-England, which is a fully-functioning piece, without occultism of the sort you suggest.
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Post by: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 08:00:40 AM
Your Fould example (who I had not heard of, just some lucky googling) made me think of the one I posted above
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 06:26:05 AMHow about this one?

(https://i.ibb.co/0s0HXJx/Mys1.png) (https://ibb.co/0s0HXJx)

It's the 30th piece from William Hamilton Bird's Oriental Miscellany
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 10:33:36 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 03, 2023, 10:31:10 AMIt's the 30th piece from William Hamilton Bird's Oriental Miscellany

Yes, an Enlightenment take on Indian music from an Irish musician in Calcutta
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 11:43:23 AM
Much easier one, just to keep things moving.
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 11:50:09 AM
I feel these are connected...

(there's more going on in the score here)
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
I feel a connection with this one too. (Just me, I guess)
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 11:59:03 AM
Should change the name on the last one, it's not actually that easy!
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 10:33:36 AMYes, an Enlightenment take on Indian music from an Irish musician in Calcutta

BTW, I loved this - and I've seen other things like it (IMSLP is great for this stuff, as you clearly know!). Books like this are so thought provoking, for obvious reasons. It is hard to believe that this is really how 18th century European minds innocently heard those Indian melodies - translated into their own vernacular of simple rhythms, major/minor scales and primary triads as if nothing else was even possible. And that realisation is worth pondering upon.
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Post by: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 01:58:42 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 03, 2023, 12:27:44 PMBTW, I loved this - and I've seen other things like it (IMSLP is great for this stuff, as you clearly know!). Books like this are so thought provoking, for obvious reasons. It is hard to believe that this is really how 18th century European minds innocently heard those Indian melodies - translated into their own vernacular of simple rhythms, major/minor scales and primary triads as if nothing else was even possible. And that realisation is worth pondering upon.

Sure, but I don't think the treatment of Indian music is markedly different than how composers took their own folk music (and not sure whether Bird's source was folk vs ICM).   The liner notes for the recent recording talk about simplifying the rhythms.  The music seems honest and without the philosophical/mystical baggage that ruins most attempts of westerners incorporating Indian influences.  Perhaps this only could have happened in the pre-Raj period.  You have to wait for Terry Riley and his peers for a better amalgamation of Indian music. 

The same lack of comprehension can be said for Indians incorporating Western - just listen to how bad most Indian pop music is, miss the days when Indian restaurants would play classical music
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 03, 2023, 01:58:42 PMYou have to wait for Terry Riley and his peers for a better amalgamation of Indian music. 

Funnily, I see a close connection between Riley and his methods and those Foulds pieces, mind you. I would love to hear Gandharva Music played on a Riley-like just-tempered piano (which is how it was 'heard,' apparently). I think its oddly bland tonic-dominant-tonic sway would be transformed.
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Post by: Luke on June 03, 2023, 02:16:05 PM
Just because it is apposite, here's what Foulds' wife, Maud MacCarthy, an expert on Indian music who introduced him to it, had to say about the subject:

Quote from: Maud MacCarthyOral tradition is essential to Indian music. The beauty of that music consists in its spontaneity, its exquisite sruti (microtones), its roulades and graces, the improvisational essays of the performers. Take these away, and one gets the rather banal little tunes which have been recorded in Western musical notation by Fox-Strangways and others . . .notation kills Indian music.

This was also the view Foulds had re. Gandharva Music, which he didn't write down (though he played it) for years.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 03, 2023, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 03, 2023, 11:43:23 AMMuch easier one, just to keep things moving.

This one is the Fugue in D-flat major from Shostakovich's op. 87.  ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 03, 2023, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 03, 2023, 11:50:09 AMI feel these are connected...

(there's more going on in the score here)

As far as 'Easier one no. 2'... definitely Russian... maybe Rimsky-Korsakov? Not sure about that, though...
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Post by: classicalgeek on June 03, 2023, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 03, 2023, 11:54:09 AMI feel a connection with this one too. (Just me, I guess)

And as far as 'easier one no. 3'... I've spent way too much time Googling the Russian text, to no avail! My first (and uneducated) guess was Shostakovich's 'Babi Yar' Symphony... but something tells me it's not so obvious...
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Post by: classicalgeek on June 03, 2023, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 03, 2023, 03:15:32 PMAs far as 'Easier one no. 2'... definitely Russian... maybe Rimsky-Korsakov? Not sure about that, though...

Looking at this more closely... Rimsky-Korsakov wasn't far off. It's one of his students - Stravinsky! And the passage is from The Firebird, leading up to Kashchey's Infernal Dance.  ;D

The passage starts at roughly 35 minutes in this video:
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Post by: Luke on June 04, 2023, 12:53:58 AM
Those two are correct, obviously, and in a way you're close on the third, too. I chose these three because they each explore a similar idea, in a similar key. It's very possible, imo, based on a number of factors, that the third one inspired the second, at least. It's a very constructivist, symmetrical way of thinking typical of the composer of #3 when in a certain idiom.

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Post by: Luke on June 04, 2023, 02:13:50 AM
The inspiration behind the first one, (the Shostakovich) may have some tangential connection with these two Russian predecessors (the key similarity supports this, maybe), but it has another, more obvious and very famous possible source - 'Easier One 4' below.

I realise that I haven't spelt out the musical feature that these three (now four) examples share, but I was assuming it is obvious - the way each radiates symmetrically from a central point, as if the composer is merely playing with musical patterns.
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Post by: Luke on June 04, 2023, 03:24:26 PM
OK, this one is connected in a couple of ways to that group of three I posted yesterday - really to #2 and #3. It might help.

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Post by: classicalgeek on June 05, 2023, 09:32:32 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 04, 2023, 02:13:50 AMThe inspiration behind the first one, (the Shostakovich) may have some tangential connection with these two Russian predecessors (the key similarity supports this, maybe), but it has another, more obvious and very famous possible source - 'Easier One 4' below.

I realise that I haven't spelt out the musical feature that these three (now four) examples share, but I was assuming it is obvious - the way each radiates symmetrically from a central point, as if the composer is merely playing with musical patterns.

"Easier one no. 4" is the Fugue from J.S. Bach's Prelude and Fugue in E minor for organ, BWV 548. I did notice the same pattern in all of the first three examples (and now the Bach one) - but I can't place the connection among the uniquely Russian examples.

Could "Easier one no. 3" be from an opera? By Tchaikovsky? Mussorgsky? Rimsky-Korsakov?

As for the "Mystery gliss", it appears to be Russian as well. I know there's a harmonic glissando near the beginning of Firebird, but I don't think that fits your example.
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Post by: Luke on June 05, 2023, 11:55:09 AM
All good thinking here...
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Post by: Luke on June 05, 2023, 02:51:15 PM
Just to clarify things

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Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 08:44:00 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 05, 2023, 02:51:15 PMJust to clarify things


So 'Mystery gliss 2' is definitely the passage from near the beginning of Firebird. But that's not where 'Mystery gliss' is from. Interesting...

Meanwhile, 'Easier one 3' still has me puzzled. I tried Googling the Russian words again, and only came up with an aria from Tchaikovsky's 'Maid of Orleans' called 'Chas' Nastal'... but I'm assuming that's coincidence. 'The hour has come' (the translation) is a common enough phrase that it could be used anywhere...
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Post by: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 08:44:00 AMMeanwhile, 'Easier one 3' still has me puzzled. I tried Googling the Russian words again, and only came up with an aria from Tchaikovsky's 'Maid of Orleans' called 'Chas' Nastal'... but I'm assuming that's coincidence. 'The hour has come' (the translation) is a common enough phrase that it could be used anywhere...

The French translation is more telling. A mourir pour la patrie, a punir la perfidie l'heure vient, ie The time has come to die for the fatherland and to punish the perfidy. Boris Godunov? A Life for the Tsar? The Maid of Orleans?  ???
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Post by: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 09:10:26 AM
Definitely not The Maid of Orleans, the text of the aria Da, chas nastal doesn't match.

https://www.singrussian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Da-chas-nastal_transliteration.pdf (https://www.singrussian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Da-chas-nastal_transliteration.pdf)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 08:44:00 AMSo 'Mystery gliss 2' is definitely the passage from near the beginning of Firebird. But that's not where 'Mystery gliss' is from. Interesting...


I've tried Googling 'harmonic glissando examples'... and pretty much only end up with the passage from The Firebird.

Quote from: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 08:52:16 AMThe French translation is more telling. A mourir pour la patrie, a punir la perfidie l'heure vient, ie The time has come to die for the fatherland and to punish the perfidy. Boris Godunov? A Life for the Tsar? The Maid of Orleans?  ???

I tried Googling the French translation too, but nothing came up. But maybe it's one of the first two operas?
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:03:59 AM
OK, here's a few things.

Firstly, the opera and the first harmonic glissando are by the same composer. He's been mentioned as a possible and is very famous - you will all have heard of this opera.

Secondly, the first harmonic glissando was written before the second, Stravinsky one, and it is therefore abundantly clear that Stravinsky modelled the effect on this example (they are virtually identical, as you can see). This is despite Stravinsky, ever the opportunist, proclaiming it as his invention

Quote from: Stravinskyfor me the most striking effect in The Firebird was the natural-harmonic string glissando near the beginning, which the bass chord touches off like a Catherine Wheel. I was delighted to have discovered this, and I remember my excitement in demonstrating it to Rimsky's violinist and cellist sons.

Richard Taruskin was AFAIK the first to point this out, and he also pointed out that Stravinsky will also have been reminded of the harmonic glissando by a brief example in Ravel's Rapsodie Espagnole, which he was exposed to during the writing of Firebird.

Thirdly, the composer in question is known, among other things for his interest in magical sounds (such as this harmonic glissando) and symmetrical scales and structures such as the wedge-like idea in the opera example. This opera in particular is often cited for its use of a particular type of symmetrical scale which subsequent composers, including Stravinsky, found highly useful. In this work and in others, this scale is often used to suggest magic, wizardry, madness etc.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:03:59 AMOK, here's a few things.

Firstly, the opera and the first harmonic glissando are by the same composer. He's been mentioned as a possible and is very famous - you will all have heard of this opera.

Secondly, the first harmonic glissando was written before the second, Stravinsky one, and it is therefore abundantly clear that Stravinsky modelled the effect on this example (they are virtually identical, as you can see). This is despite Stravinsky, ever the opportunist, proclaiming it as his invention

Richard Taruskin was AFAIK the first to point this out, and he also pointed out that Stravinsky will also have been reminded of the harmonic glissando by a brief example in Ravel's Rapsodie Espagnole, which he was exposed to during the writing of Firebird.

Thirdly, the composer in question is known, among other things for his interest in magical sounds (such as this harmonic glissando) and symmetrical scales and structures such as the wedge-like idea in the opera example. This opera in particular is often cited for its use of a particular type of symmetrical scale which subsequent composers, including Stravinsky, found highly useful. In this work and in others, this scale is often used to suggest magic, wizardry, madness etc.

I have an idea who the composer in question is, as well as the opera... ;D I've been looking at operas in Russian, with French translations, on IMSLP - and at least I think I'm on the right path...
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Post by: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:03:59 AMOK, here's a few things.

Firstly, the opera and the first harmonic glissando are by the same composer. He's been mentioned as a possible and is very famous - you will all have heard of this opera.

Secondly, the first harmonic glissando was written before the second, Stravinsky one, and it is therefore abundantly clear that Stravinsky modelled the effect on this example (they are virtually identical, as you can see). This is despite Stravinsky, ever the opportunist, proclaiming it as his invention

Richard Taruskin was AFAIK the first to point this out, and he also pointed out that Stravinsky will also have been reminded of the harmonic glissando by a brief example in Ravel's Rapsodie Espagnole, which he was exposed to during the writing of Firebird.

Thirdly, the composer in question is known, among other things for his interest in magical sounds (such as this harmonic glissando) and symmetrical scales and structures such as the wedge-like idea in the opera example. This opera in particular is often cited for its use of a particular type of symmetrical scale which subsequent composers, including Stravinsky, found highly useful. In this work and in others, this scale is often used to suggest magic, wizardry, madness etc.
Well, the composer must be Rimsky-Korsakov, who composed a number of "fairy-tale operas," typically after Pushkin.
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Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 10:30:53 AMWell, the composer must be Rimsky-Korsakov, who composed a number of "fairy-tale operas," typically after Pushkin.

You are correct, Karl!  ;D

Also, the opera in question is sometimes known by its French title.
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Stravinsky was a Rimsky pupil, of course, and the influences are deep and sometimes amount to barefaced theft, as with the harmonic glissando. I can't help but admire the shameless audacity of the last part of the statement quoted above:

Quote from: StravinskyI was delighted to have discovered this, and I remember my excitement in demonstrating it to Rimsky's violinist and cellist sons.
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:53:15 AM
....meanwhile, the scale in question is the octatonic, alternating semitones and tones, a symmetrical or, in Messiaen's terms, a non-transposable mode - it is Messiaen's Mode 2. Rimsky was basically the first to use it, and he does so in passages relating to altered or disorienting states - magic, madness, fire, science etc. Messiaen's Mode 1 is the whole-tone scale (he hardly used it because it so associated with Debussy). It, too, was first used in seriousness by the Russians, in this case by Glinka in Ruslan and Ludmila.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 10:53:33 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 10:37:34 AMYou are correct, Karl!  ;D

Also, the opera in question is sometimes known by its French title.
I appreciate your delicacy in not giving it away outright, but that is probably true of any Russian opera. Still, let me guess Золотой Петушок (Le coq d'or)
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Post by: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 10:23:10 AMI have an idea who the composer in question is, as well as the opera... ;D I've been looking at operas in Russian, with French translations, on IMSLP - and at least I think I'm on the right path...

Prince Igor?
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: Karl Henninglet me guess Золотой Петушок (Le coq d'or)

Cock-a-doodle-d'or, that's the one.
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Post by: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:46:52 AMStravinsky was a Rimsky pupil, of course, and the influences are deep and sometimes amount to barefaced theft, as with the harmonic glissando. I can't help but admire the shameless audacity of the last part of the statement quoted above:

Shameless audacity was certainly on-brand for Игорь Фёдорович
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Post by: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 10:53:33 AMI appreciate your delicacy in not giving it away outright, but that is probably true of any Russian opera. Still, let me guess Золотой Петушок (Le coq d'or)

Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:55:38 AMCock-a-doodle-d'or, that's the one.

I should have guessed it, or at least the composer, based on the Stravinsky hint alone.  :(

It's funny, though, how some seemingly genuinely-patriotic-sounding lines from a libretto can send someone on a wild goose chase.  :D
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Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:53:15 AM....meanwhile, the scale in question is the octatonic, alternating semitones and tones, a symmetrical or, in Messiaen's terms, a non-transposable mode - it is Messiaen's Mode 2. Rimsky was basically the first to use it, and he does so in passages relating to altered or disorienting states - magic, madness, fire, science etc. Messiaen's Mode 1 is the whole-tone scale (he hardly used it because it so associated with Debussy). It, too, was first used in seriousness by the Russians, in this case by Glinka in Ruslan and Ludmila.

Quote from: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 10:58:20 AMShameless audacity was certainly on-brand for Игорь Фёдорович

I wonder if Stravinsky claimed to have invented the octatonic scale too. ::)
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Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 10:03:59 AMOK, here's a few things.

Firstly, the opera and the first harmonic glissando are by the same composer. He's been mentioned as a possible and is very famous - you will all have heard of this opera.

Secondly, the first harmonic glissando was written before the second, Stravinsky one, and it is therefore abundantly clear that Stravinsky modelled the effect on this example (they are virtually identical, as you can see). This is despite Stravinsky, ever the opportunist, proclaiming it as his invention

Richard Taruskin was AFAIK the first to point this out, and he also pointed out that Stravinsky will also have been reminded of the harmonic glissando by a brief example in Ravel's Rapsodie Espagnole, which he was exposed to during the writing of Firebird.

Thirdly, the composer in question is known, among other things for his interest in magical sounds (such as this harmonic glissando) and symmetrical scales and structures such as the wedge-like idea in the opera example. This opera in particular is often cited for its use of a particular type of symmetrical scale which subsequent composers, including Stravinsky, found highly useful. In this work and in others, this scale is often used to suggest magic, wizardry, madness etc.

I tracked down the source of Rimsky's use of the harmonic glissando ('Mystery gliss'): another one of his operas, Christmas Eve. Thanks to this informative article: http://themusicsalon.blogspot.com/2017/08/stravinsky-technique-and-theory-part-4.html.
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 12:04:48 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 12:00:26 PMI tracked down the source of Rimsky's use of the harmonic glissando ('Mystery gliss'): another one of his operas, Christmas Eve. Thanks to this informative article: http://themusicsalon.blogspot.com/2017/08/stravinsky-technique-and-theory-part-4.html.

Yes, that's correct. Thoroughly recommend Taruskin on this (and on most things)
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Post by: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 11:24:02 AMI wonder if Stravinsky claimed to have invented the octatonic scale too. ::)

He didn't invent bullshitting about music and musicians either, but he certainly took it to unprecedented levels.  ;D
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Post by: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 12:04:48 PMYes, that's correct. Thoroughly recommend Taruskin on this (and on most things)

Taruskin is my favorite musicologist as well. He wasn't always right, but when he was wrong it was always with gusto and panache. ;D
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Post by: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 12:18:01 PMTaruskin is my favorite musicologist as well. He wasn't always right, but when he was wrong it was always with gusto and panache. ;D
Like all the best critics, even when he's mistaken, he's worth reading.
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Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 12:18:01 PMTaruskin is my favorite musicologist as well. He wasn't always right, but when he was wrong it was always with gusto and panache. ;D

Quote from: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 12:39:07 PMLike all the best critics, even when he's mistaken, he's worth reading.

I'm aware of Taruskin's work but haven't really dug into it. Any recommendations on a place to start? I greatly enjoyed The Rest is Noise, Alex Ross's extensive (although by no means complete) survey of music in the 20th century.
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
I love this one

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51MIynAqyAL._SX329_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 01:01:55 PM
...and, though they overlap, this one
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51gm2vD0jaL._SX336_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 01:21:51 PM
Thanks for the recommendations, Luke! It appears Russian music was his specialty. Interestingly, I took a course on Stravinsky my junior year in college - this would have been in the 1995-1996 school year, so right before Taruskin's work was published. I think the primary biography we used was Eric Walter White's; we also read from Stravinsky's own Poetics of Music.
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Post by: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 01:32:34 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 01:21:51 PMThanks for the recommendations, Luke! It appears Russian music was his specialty. Interestingly, I took a course on Stravinsky my junior year in college - this would have been in the 1995-1996 school year, so right before Taruskin's work was published. I think the primary biography we used was Eric Walter White's; we also read from Stravinsky's own Poetics of Music.
The first Taruskin I read was an article in (maybe) JAMS, showing Stravinsky's octatonic debt to Rimsky-Korsakov, with examples (IIRC) from R-K's Khaschtchey the Deathless.
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Post by: Florestan on June 06, 2023, 01:35:52 PM
Besides works already mentioned, I highly recommend Taruskin's Text and Act, a devastating critique of hardcore HIP ideology, and his multi-volume and quite revisionist Oxford History of Western Music.

For a foretaste of his thought-provoking views, with which in this case I agree entirely,  start here:

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/28/archives/recordings-view-why-do-they-all-hate-horowitz.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/28/archives/recordings-view-why-do-they-all-hate-horowitz.html)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 02:05:42 PM
A new sequence. Some easy, some hard, all linked in a fairly obvious way, once you have more than one or two.
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 02:10:11 PM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 06, 2023, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 06, 2023, 02:10:11 PM.
9 is RVW, "The Call" from the Five Mystical Songs, yes?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 02:30:12 PM
Yes it is
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 06, 2023, 02:35:48 PM
#5 is "That Mysterious Rag" by Irving Berlin. (found by Googling the lyrics)

#7 is the very end of "The Planets".

#10 is the beginning of the final part of Mahler's 8th Symphony
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#11 appears to be an organ work by a French composer... couldn't tell you anything beyond that. Tournemire?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 06, 2023, 07:12:04 PM
Can you see the connection? That'll help work out the others
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 09:02:39 AM
I think I see the connection - mystical or mysterious things.

#5 - That Mysterious Rag
#7 - Last movement of The Planets is called Neptune, the Mystic
#9 - From the Five Mystical Songs by Vaughan Williams (thanks Karl!)
#10 - The final chorus from Mahler 8 is also called the Chorus Mysticus
#11 - Would this be a passage from L'Orgue Mystique by Tournemire?

Now we just need to figure out the rest of the works!

#6 Looks as if it may be by Delius? #8 Looks vaguely like Milhaud. Numbers 1 through 4 are a little trickier...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 09:17:34 AM
#6 is by a different Frederick. ;D The Mystic Trumpeter by Frederick Shepherd Converse.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 09:35:20 AM
 ;D  The clue was in the file names....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 09:35:53 AM
Particularly well done on the Tournemire, btw.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 09:41:48 AM
IMO 1 and 2 are the most famous musical Mysteries of all.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 09:54:24 AM
#1 is probably The Scourging at the Pillar from the Sorrowful Mysteries section of Biber's Rosary Sonatas.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
Got it. A particularly (and appropriately) tense scordatura in this one, putting the violin itself in pain (that 'key signature'!).
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:04:12 AMGot it.

The printed image on the score was the most important hint.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:08:13 AM
By the look of it, #2 might be something by Satie or Mompou.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:10:06 AM
Not those two, no.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:05:25 AMThe printed image on the score was the most important hint.


Yes, I thought that was nice of me. The key signature should have been enough  >:D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:15:32 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:10:06 AMNot those two, no.

I can think of a famous mystery work but it's for organ and that score seems to be of a piano piece.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:17:16 AM
Well, it's not really any particular instrument.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:18:33 AM
I mean, it's not the completed work, it's just preparatory work towards it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:20:50 AM
Ah, of course: Scriabin's Mysterium.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:23:20 AM
Prefatory Action, I should have said  ;D  That's correct.

Now, #4 is, as I see it, one of the most iconic of Baroque harpischord works. A very striking piece with an attitude ahead of its time.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:28:34 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:23:20 AMNow, #4 is, as I see it, one of the most iconic of Baroque harpischord works. A very striking piece with an attitude ahead of its time.

Couperin's Les barricades mysterieuses.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:41:12 AM
Yes! Marvellous piece

here as it should be done:


and here in Thomas Ades' quirky hocketing arrangement (it's better done on the EMI recording!)


This arrangement sounds a bit like an analysis-in-sound of the piece. I find this interesting because, when I went to Cambridge, we had an analysis lecture on this piece; Tom Ades was there only a few years before, so it's conceivable he had the same lecture, and that this piece is a result of it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
#8 is the Sexteto Mistico by Villa-Lobos.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:43:06 AM
Yes, it is. Good stuff
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:43:11 AM
Here is one, groovy 2 chord vamp sounds like an acid jazz loop

(https://i.ibb.co/sFcwV21/Groovy-Acid-Jazz.png) (https://ibb.co/rZq6wmp)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:43:06 AMYes, it is. Good stuff

That just leaves #3...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:47:58 AM
I reckon this looks like one composer in particular.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:43:11 AMHere is one, groovy 2 chord vamp sounds like an acid jazz loop

(https://i.ibb.co/sFcwV21/Groovy-Acid-Jazz.png) (https://ibb.co/rZq6wmp)

This seems really familiar, but it's eluding me right now...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:50:17 AM
I reckon #3 must be Mompou - Cants magics, No 4:  Misteriòs
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:50:23 AM
a similar progression in a very famous piece
(https://i.ibb.co/Rbx4CdD/anothergroovymaj7.png) (https://ibb.co/tK7PbFJ)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:50:44 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:50:17 AMMompou - Cants magics, No 4:  Misteriòs

For mine? no
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:50:44 AMFor mine? no

For Luke's #3.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:50:17 AMI reckon #3 must be Mompou - Cants magics, No 4:  Misteriòs

Which one? It's not my Mystery 3
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:47:58 AMI reckon this looks like one composer in particular.

My first thought for #3 was Ligeti... but I'm probably way off...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:50:23 AMa similar progression in a very famous piece
(https://i.ibb.co/Rbx4CdD/anothergroovymaj7.png) (https://ibb.co/tK7PbFJ)

That's Schumann.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
The Arabesque I think
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:52:34 AM
Yet another vamp

(https://i.ibb.co/W2CPTX0/yetanothervamp.png) (https://ibb.co/vj9QtWh)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:50:23 AMa similar progression in a very famous piece
(https://i.ibb.co/Rbx4CdD/anothergroovymaj7.png) (https://ibb.co/tK7PbFJ)

This is from Schumann's Arabeske, of course...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:52:47 AM
Or the Davidsbunderlertanze. I need to remind myself.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:52:11 AMThe Arabesque I think

yes!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:53:05 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:51:26 AMWhich one? It's not my Mystery 3

Oh, I got it wrong then.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:53:18 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:52:43 AMThis is from Schumann's Arabeske, of course...

Ha I was right first time then!  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:52:34 AMYet another vamp

(https://i.ibb.co/W2CPTX0/yetanothervamp.png) (https://ibb.co/vj9QtWh)

Is that Peace Piece (Bill Evans)?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:54:29 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:53:18 AMHa I was right first time then!  ;D

I think you and I posted our answers at the same time!

Still stumped on the original, though...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:56:21 AM
This composer often writes very simple-looking things such as this, with e.g. tedious chromatic scales and plain looking triads. But they sound more interesting in performance.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:53:51 AMIs that Peace Piece (Bill Evans)?

yes
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:56:21 AMThis composer often writes very simple-looking things such as this, with e.g. tedious chromatic scales and plain looking triads. But they sound more interesting in performance.

So it wasn't Ligeti, then...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
Not Ligeti. Just as well-known, or even more so.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:58:35 AMNot Ligeti. Just as well-known, or even more so.

Bartok?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 11:07:40 AM
No
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 07, 2023, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 07, 2023, 10:28:34 AMCouperin's Les barricades mysterieuses.
pour la révolution mystérieuse?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 11:08:30 AM
My previous clue is pretty helpful if you think about it.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on June 07, 2023, 11:08:07 AMpour la révolution mystérieuse?

That's the question - what are these barricades? Our analysis lecturer (W. Dean Sutcliffe) thought it was a registral thing - that the music is bounded by pitch limits which it tries to pierce.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 07, 2023, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 10:41:12 AMYes! Marvellous piece

here as it should be done:


and here in Thomas Ades' quirky hocketing arrangement (it's better done on the EMI recording!)


This arrangement sounds a bit like an analysis-in-sound of the piece. I find this interesting because, when I went to Cambridge, we had an analysis lecture on this piece; Tom Ades was there only a few years before, so it's conceivable he had the same lecture, and that this piece is a result of it.
I should have known. My buddy Paul played it a number of times. This video, made in his former home on Whipple Street in Fall River, revives pleasant memories.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 11:13:05 AM
Lovely sound! Lovely tempo too - very nice!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 11:09:53 AMThat's the question - what are these barricades? Our analysis lecturer (W. Dean Sutcliffe) thought it was a registral thing - that the music is bounded by pitch limits which it tries to pierce.

Always heard that it was the somewhat impregnable 18th century women's undergarments, but maybe thats just a guitar thing
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 07, 2023, 12:05:08 PM
There's nothing really mysterious about a chastity belt, though, is there? It made for great gags for Woody Allen and Mel Brooks, thoughj.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 01:28:23 PM
So at this point we still need Luke's #3, and this from BWV 1080:

Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:43:11 AM(https://i.ibb.co/sFcwV21/Groovy-Acid-Jazz.png) (https://ibb.co/rZq6wmp)

Luke's #3 has me puzzled. The latest clues were "This composer often writes very simple-looking things such as this, with e.g. tedious chromatic scales and plain looking triads. But they sound more interesting in performance." and "Not Ligeti. Just as well-known, or even more so."

As far as BWV 1080's example goes... I'm inclined to think it's an American composer... but that's all I have so far.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 01:28:23 PMSo at this point we still need Luke's #3, and this from BWV 1080:

And your last one. Haven't forgotten that!

Quote from: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 01:28:23 PMLuke's #3 has me puzzled. The latest clues were "This composer often writes very simple-looking things such as this, with e.g. tedious chromatic scales and plain looking triads. But they sound more interesting in performance." and "Not Ligeti. Just as well-known, or even more so."

The key bit is the implication that they sound more interesting than they look. But yes, you will definitely have heard (of) this composer.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 01:34:38 PMAnd your last one. Haven't forgotten that!


Although I can't find it right now. Where did it go?  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 01:39:02 PMAlthough I can't find it right now. Where did it go?  ???

I ended up deleting it because I didn't want to distract from your 'mystery' series of mystery scores. ;D

It enabled me to come up with my own theme of 'connected' scores - five in all. I'm guessing someone will figure out the theme quickly - but it was fun to put together! ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 07, 2023, 06:34:25 PM
Ah! Another mystery solved! That was thoughtful of you - but no need,  the more the merrier! Looking forward to your series though,  hope im around when you post them!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 07, 2023, 06:43:59 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 06:34:25 PMAh! Another mystery solved! That was thoughtful of you - but no need,  the more the merrier! Looking forward to your series though,  hope im around when you post them!

Just waiting to get the two remaining scores identified! I'm ready to post them anytime.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 05:31:52 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 07, 2023, 01:34:38 PMThe key bit is the implication that they sound more interesting than they look.

 ;D I'll say it even more baldly: the sound is different from the look. What you play isn't what it sounds like. Why might that happen...?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 05:55:17 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 08, 2023, 05:31:52 AM;D I'll say it even more baldly: the sound is different from the look. What you play isn't what it sounds like. Why might that happen...?

Ok, got it now, sure does sound different than the score implies

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 06:35:44 AM
There we go! All mysteries wiped clear
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 08, 2023, 06:52:55 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 08, 2023, 06:35:44 AMThere we go! All mysteries wiped clear
But I trust we haven't taken all the mystery out of Life.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 08, 2023, 07:22:18 AM
A prepared piano! Nicely done. That never even crossed my mind.

But I don't think we've figured this one out, have we?

Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 07, 2023, 10:43:11 AMHere is one, groovy 2 chord vamp sounds like an acid jazz loop

(https://i.ibb.co/sFcwV21/Groovy-Acid-Jazz.png) (https://ibb.co/rZq6wmp)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 08, 2023, 07:51:14 AM
I suppose I could upload my series while we're still puzzling over BWV 1080's example. Like I said, I feel that it **may** be by an American composer... but that's all I have at the moment.

This was fun to do, though I think that my 'theme' will be figured out in short order. ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52959347787_0eb89608f5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oFQv2e)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52960090839_e28c46ca29_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oFUiUt)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52960330450_3091716108_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oFVx8G)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52959943776_1ddb30b37d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oFTybU)

And as a bonus, this one:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52960400138_0ba989b0de_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oFVTRd)


Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 08:17:24 AM
Mine is not from an American composer
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 08:32:27 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 08:17:24 AMMine is not from an American composer

Is it French?

Of the new ones, I think I know some but i need to think. Curewntly in a rehearsal. But 2 is Debussy, Ce qu'a vu le vent de l'ouest
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 08:35:37 AM
Is the first one Delius?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 08:38:18 AM
Reminds me of the first of the North Country Sketches. 

Theme is compass points?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 08:39:08 AM
4 perhaps Elgar, In the South?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 08:50:04 AM
I've checked now, those are correct. So....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 08, 2023, 08:59:51 AM
So far, so good, Luke!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 10:00:37 AM
Home now, can look properly - the last one is Borodin, isn't it? In the Steppes of Central Asia.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 10:02:08 AM
Those long drones are a giveaway!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 08, 2023, 08:32:27 AMIs it French?



No, but a student of Nadia Boulanger
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 10:04:53 AM
Is it Piazzolla then? As a first guess
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 10:05:05 AM
Not that it looks like him....
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 08, 2023, 10:05:05 AMNot that it looks like him....

This composer does not look a bit like Piazzolla
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 08, 2023, 10:33:40 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 10:03:16 AMNo, but a student of Nadia Boulanger

This helped narrow it down! Your passage is the beginning of the slow movement from Grazyna Bacewicz's Second Piano Sonata.


Hypnotically beautiful!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 08, 2023, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 08, 2023, 10:00:37 AMHome now, can look properly - the last one is Borodin, isn't it? In the Steppes of Central Asia.

You are correct again!

That leaves one to go... my #3. ;D 

Hint: it's from a film score.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 11:24:26 AM
Here is a related set of 3 excerpts

1
(https://i.ibb.co/RvW0QFw/1.png) (https://ibb.co/M2LVPv0)

2
(https://i.ibb.co/7XqVQG2/2.png) (https://ibb.co/XbqpDzS)

3
(https://i.ibb.co/yqRC4zC/3.png) (https://ibb.co/Wf3XVrX)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 08, 2023, 07:46:37 PM
Well, I mean they're presumably all Tangos, but I'm no further than that yet.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 09, 2023, 12:33:14 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 08, 2023, 10:39:03 AMYou are correct again!

That leaves one to go... my #3. ;D 

Hint: it's from a film score.

We had North, West, South and Center, so it must be related to East. East of Eden, maybe? (music by leonard Rosenman)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 09, 2023, 05:55:07 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 08, 2023, 11:24:26 AMHere is a related set of 3 excerpts

1
(https://i.ibb.co/RvW0QFw/1.png) (https://ibb.co/M2LVPv0)

2
(https://i.ibb.co/7XqVQG2/2.png) (https://ibb.co/XbqpDzS)

3
(https://i.ibb.co/yqRC4zC/3.png) (https://ibb.co/Wf3XVrX)


What happened to the images?! That makes it harder! The third one is El Entrerriano by Rosendo Mendizábal. The first one has a certain wit and finish that make it look like it's by the great Ernesto Nazareth, but I haven't identified it yet. The other one is the one that has most stumping potential!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 09, 2023, 06:08:08 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 09, 2023, 05:55:07 AMWhat happened to the images?! That makes it harder! The third one is El Entrerriano by Rosendo Mendizábal. The first one has a certain wit and finish that make it look like it's by the great Ernesto Nazareth, but I haven't identified it yet. The other one is the one that has most stumping potential!

You cant click on them to expand?  works for me.  The last one is El Enterriano, and the only tango of the three - but they all share something in common
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 09, 2023, 06:37:37 AM
No, at least on my machine they've disappeared completely.  I can remember them, more or less, so it's not too bad.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 09, 2023, 06:39:29 AM
Like this...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 09, 2023, 06:42:03 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 09, 2023, 12:33:14 AMWe had North, West, South and Center, so it must be related to East. East of Eden, maybe? (music by leonard Rosenman)

Yep, you got it! ;D Nicely done!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 09, 2023, 06:55:30 AM
Can everyone see this?

a related set of excerpts, The last one is El Enterriano, and the only tango of the three - but they all share something in common


1
(https://i.ibb.co/RvW0QFw/1.png) (https://ibb.co/M2LVPv0)

2
(https://i.ibb.co/7XqVQG2/2.png) (https://ibb.co/XbqpDzS)

3: El Enterriano
(https://i.ibb.co/yqRC4zC/3.png) (https://ibb.co/Wf3XVrX)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 09, 2023, 07:11:41 AM
I see all of them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 09, 2023, 07:47:13 AM
Still no, for me, but it must be something on my laptop. Some filter from work? They don't normally filter out attachments here, but maybe that tango was just too lascivious for a school environment. I'll see when i get home.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 09, 2023, 01:55:18 PM
They're working fine at home, so it must have been some work thing.

The second one looks a bit....off. Is it a transcription/arrangement/part of a film score/something similar?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 09, 2023, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 09, 2023, 01:55:18 PMThey're working fine at home, so it must have been some work thing.

The second one looks a bit....off. Is it a transcription/arrangement/part of a film score/something similar?

Nope, but it's not a Tango (kind of funny to think of it played like one)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 09, 2023, 02:26:25 PM
The three pieces are different musically but share an important common attribute
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 10, 2023, 04:18:00 AM
I have an idea what it is but finding it hard to track the other two (if my idea is correct)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 10, 2023, 07:32:51 AM
There are videos on YouTube of the composers performing the other two tunes

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 11, 2023, 09:14:34 AM
I'll tell you what is odd - I've listened to quite a number of recordings of El enterriano now, they all cleave faithfully to the same tune, the same key, the same everything - but it is not the tune in the sheet music, nothing like it at all. Is this any connection to what you are hinting at?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 11, 2023, 09:42:00 AM
A new series with a simple connection, and all relatively familiar names. I think once you've got one, you'll probably get most of them.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 11, 2023, 09:42:20 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 11, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 11, 2023, 09:43:31 AM
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Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 11, 2023, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 11, 2023, 09:14:34 AMI'll tell you what is odd - I've listened to quite a number of recordings of El enterriano now, they all cleave faithfully to the same tune, the same key, the same everything - but it is not the tune in the sheet music, nothing like it at all. Is this any connection to what you are hinting at?

No, think about why El enterriano is important
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 11, 2023, 10:25:03 AM
Yes, I have, I get that, that's the area I was exploring before. But the fact that all the recorded versions I can find bear no relation to it is plain weird!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 11, 2023, 11:37:28 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 11, 2023, 10:25:03 AMYes, I have, I get that, that's the area I was exploring before. But the fact that all the recorded versions I can find bear no relation to it is plain weird!

Also many people, depending on location, associate 1&2 with a specific period of the liturgical calendar
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 10:38:04 AM
No takers on my new ones? I'd say number 4 is the easiest. If it helps, it's a Prelude.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 12, 2023, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 11, 2023, 09:14:34 AMI'll tell you what is odd - I've listened to quite a number of recordings of El enterriano now, they all cleave faithfully to the same tune, the same key, the same everything - but it is not the tune in the sheet music, nothing like it at all. Is this any connection to what you are hinting at?

Also the source for my excerpt was IMSLP, supposedly this is Rosendo Mendizabal's published version
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 01:01:49 PM
I'm afraid I'm clueless on BWV1080's mystery scores.

As for yours, Luke, I'm still searching...

New mystery 1 - I thought it might be by CPE Bach... I found his polonaises in A major (there are three, two have been recorded), listened to them, and came up empty. I suppose it could be the unrecorded one (H 368), but that doesn't seem likely.

No idea on New mystery 2.

New mystery 3 - I Googled the lyrics and, short of it being a traditional Scottish song, I couldn't tell you much about it. Adding 'arrangement' to the search didn't help.

New mystery 4 - Looks a *lot* like Scriabin... but I checked out all of his preludes in G# minor and B major, and your score isn't any of those.

No idea on New mystery 5.

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 12, 2023, 01:10:18 PM
another 2 clues on mine -

the other two pieces would have been considered more disreputable than #3

you would be mocked if you played the rhythm in the pickup measure of #2 as notated
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 01:01:49 PMNew mystery 4 - Looks a *lot* like Scriabin... but I checked out all of his preludes in G# minor and B major, and your score isn't any of those.

Interesting. That's all I can say. You're right....and wrong.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 12, 2023, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 01:01:49 PMNew mystery 4 - Looks a *lot* like Scriabin...


I thought so, as well.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
...and if you can figure out why, the others will become easier, too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 01:37:09 PM
Quote from: Karl Henning on June 12, 2023, 01:35:49 PMI thought so, as well.

It does, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 01:44:50 PM
I'd also say that if you read carefully, I've definitely given enough for it to be easily identifiable.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 12, 2023, 01:35:44 PMInteresting. That's all I can say. You're right....and wrong.

Ahhh... it's by (Alexander) Scriabin's tragically short-lived son, Julian.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 01:57:05 PM
It is!
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 12, 2023, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 01:51:35 PMAhhh... it's by (Alexander) Scriabin's tragically short-lived son, Julian.
That acorn didn't roll far from the tree.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 02:00:52 PM
Unfortunately it didn't have much time to
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 12, 2023, 02:12:53 PM

#1 is Karl Thomas Mozart, Wolfgang's son.  No 2 of the  Polonaise Mechaniques
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 12, 2023, 02:12:53 PM#1 is Karl Thomas Mozart, Wolfgang's son.  No 2 of the  Polonaise Mechaniques

Not quite. Almost, though
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 12, 2023, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: Luke on June 12, 2023, 02:16:12 PMNot quite. Almost, though

Sorry, other son - Franz Xaver
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 02:21:01 PM
Also not mechaniques. I assume auto correct betrayed you. Melancholiques.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 02:23:40 PM
3 left. I guess you see what I meant by relatively familiar names.  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 02:29:01 PM
The theme seems to be 'works by children of (more noteworthy) composers'.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 12, 2023, 09:50:23 PM
That's it
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 11:36:50 PM
Is "new mystery 2" by Siegfried Wagner?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 11:42:03 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 12, 2023, 11:36:50 PMIs "new mystery 2" by Siegfried Wagner?

It is! From his tone poem (?) "Sehnsucht".  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 02:08:02 AM
Yes it is - sorry, I couldn't reply sooner, would have saved you the search. But the thrill of the chase and all that!

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 02:08:53 AM
Good work. So, 3 and 5 left. Both had very famous dads. One of them has been discussed recently on this thread. The other is discussed everywhere, all the time.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 13, 2023, 02:19:09 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 02:08:53 AMThe other is discussed everywhere, all the time.

#5, a Polonaise by Wilhelm Friedemann Bach, maybe?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 02:32:09 AM
No, afraid not. No 1 was a Polonaise, by Mozart's son Franz Xaver. They are cool little pieces. And WF Bach's Polonaises are fantastic too. One of my many weirdnesses - ocassionally I like to spend an hour or so playing both sets through as a group of 'unexpectedly fine Polonaises by the sons of great composers.' But this isn't one of them. Much later
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 02:34:17 AM
Actually, to me no 5 looks a lot like a very famous piece, and the composer of that piece, although not this composer's father, was closely connected to him.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 13, 2023, 02:44:16 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 02:34:17 AMActually, to me no 5 looks a lot like a very famous piece, and the composer of that piece, although not this composer's father, was closely connected to him.

Hmmmm... Soulima Stravinsky and something like Rimsky-Korsakov's Flight of the Bumblebee?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: classicalgeek on June 13, 2023, 04:56:55 AM
No. 3 is by Johann Christian Bach... "The London Bach". Makes some sense that he did arrangements of Scottish folk songs.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 06:30:32 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on June 13, 2023, 04:56:55 AMNo. 3 is by Johann Christian Bach... "The London Bach". Makes some sense that he did arrangements of Scottish folk songs.

Is correct. And Florestan's guess for no 5, whilst not correct, is so pertinent that it reminds me why I love this thread so much.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 13, 2023, 07:08:03 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 06:30:32 AMIs correct. And Florestan's guess for no 5, whilst not correct, is so pertinent that it reminds me why I love this thread so much.
One of Soulima Stravinsky's Etudes Pittoresques?
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: VonStupp on June 13, 2023, 07:15:32 AM
Since you've posted it, #5 reminds me terribly of Mussorgsky's Pictures 'Promenade' (it would have to be the d minor one). It doesn't seem to fit the theme though and I have never looked at the piano score.
VS
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 07:17:49 AM
Quote from: VonStupp on June 13, 2023, 07:15:32 AMSince you've posted it, #5 reminds me terribly of Mussorgsky's Pictures 'Promenade' (it would have to be the d minor one). It doesn't seem to fit the theme though and I have never looked at the piano score.
VS

Yes, that's the resemblance I meant. It looks so similar (but it isn't). So the resemblance is to Mussorgsky, not Rimsky, and the piece isn't by Soulima Stravinsky.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on June 13, 2023, 07:38:31 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 07:17:49 AMYes, that's the resemblance I meant. It looks so similar (but it isn't). So the resemblance is to Mussorgsky, not Rimsky, and the piece isn't by Soulima Stravinsky.
Pity. The similarity I fancied I perceived was to the opening of the Symphony of Psalms.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 13, 2023, 08:04:56 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 06:30:32 AMIs correct. And Florestan's guess for no 5, whilst not correct, is so pertinent that it reminds me why I love this thread so much.

Andrey Rimsky-Korsakov? Various internet sources claim he was a musicologist and acoustical engineer. Did he also compose? I couldn't find anything in this respect.  ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 08:27:38 AM
Close enough. The other brother, Georgy. Dad's link with Mussorgsky is obvious, including making this edition of the Pictures. Compare with his son's piece:

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 13, 2023, 08:32:35 AM
On these:

1
(https://i.ibb.co/RvW0QFw/1.png) (https://ibb.co/M2LVPv0)

2
(https://i.ibb.co/7XqVQG2/2.png) (https://ibb.co/XbqpDzS)

3: El Enterriano
(https://i.ibb.co/yqRC4zC/3.png) (https://ibb.co/Wf3XVrX)

here are images from the first edition covers of 1 and 2 (not saying which is which)

(https://i.ibb.co/3RQRFnQ/cover.png) (https://ibb.co/3RQRFnQ) (https://i.ibb.co/fGTWsz1/coverpic.png) (https://ibb.co/fGTWsz1)

not sure how I can make these more obvious...
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 13, 2023, 08:43:16 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 08:27:38 AMClose enough. The other brother, Georgy. Dad's link with Mussorgsky is obvious, including making this edition of the Pictures. Compare with his son's piece:

But, Luke, you are mistaken. Georgy was not Nikolai's son but his grandson, not Andrey's brother but his nephew. You sent me/us on a wild goose chase.  ;D

https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/rimsky-korsakov-georgi-mikhailovich (https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/rimsky-korsakov-georgi-mikhailovich)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
Hmmmm, how to save face....?

OK, how about: I don't know how you speak English in your country, but over here 'sons' means any direct male descendant, I thought that was obvious....


does that work? No?


What about: yes, Georgy, the son of the much better known Andrey, whose tunes I'm certainly whistling day and night.

Actually - mea culpa! I'm not sure why I thought he was a son, I must have read it, or thought I'd read it somewhere. Funnily enough, I wrote (a bit) about him, in connection to experiments he made in microtonality, in a book I was writing a couple of years ago. So I must have known the truth then, and subsequently it morphed into this horrific aberration by which I am suitably appalled. I retreat into my hole of shame.
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 13, 2023, 08:32:35 AMOn these:

1
(https://i.ibb.co/RvW0QFw/1.png) (https://ibb.co/M2LVPv0)

2
(https://i.ibb.co/7XqVQG2/2.png) (https://ibb.co/XbqpDzS)

3: El Enterriano
(https://i.ibb.co/yqRC4zC/3.png) (https://ibb.co/Wf3XVrX)

here are images from the first edition covers of 1 and 2 (not saying which is which)

(https://i.ibb.co/3RQRFnQ/cover.png) (https://ibb.co/3RQRFnQ) (https://i.ibb.co/fGTWsz1/coverpic.png) (https://ibb.co/fGTWsz1)

not sure how I can make these more obvious...

Making me feel even more foolish!  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Florestan on June 13, 2023, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 09:23:27 AMHmmmm, how to save face....?

OK, how about: I don't know how you speak English in your country, but over here 'sons' means any direct male descendant, I thought that was obvious....


does that work? No?


What about: yes, Georgy, the son of the much better known Andrey, whose tunes I'm certainly whistling day and night.

Actually - mea culpa! I'm not sure why I thought he was a son, I must have read it, or thought I'd read it somewhere. Funnily enough, I wrote (a bit) about him, in connection to experiments he made in microtonality, in a book I was writing a couple of years ago. So I must have known the truth then, and subsequently it morphed into this horrific aberration by which I am suitably appalled. I retreat into my hole of shame.

No worries, Luke, can happen to anyone. At least I learned something: that Nikolai had a son and this son in turn had a composer nephew.  :D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 13, 2023, 09:44:13 AM
There's this guy, too:

https://www.gabrielprokofiev.com/
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 13, 2023, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 13, 2023, 09:26:40 AMMaking me feel even more foolish!  :'(  :'(  :'(


Also what looks like a tango in #2 is a habanera rhythm which came from the non-hispanic composer's visit to Cuba, and is somewhat unusual for its genre. 
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 13, 2023, 01:02:12 PM
and if I am feeling tomorrow like I am feeling today, I might drop another clue
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 14, 2023, 10:26:58 AM
Ok here is a hint for one of them

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/395/c86/764b849a0a353d8d47b947b72130f4a473-23-anthony-weiner.rsquare.w330.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Luke on June 14, 2023, 10:35:42 AM
OK, I know who that is and what you are probably referring to, but struggling to see how that connects to a part of the liturgical calendar  ;D
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 14, 2023, 10:38:16 AM
Quote from: Luke on June 14, 2023, 10:35:42 AMOK, I know who that is and what you are probably referring to, but struggling to see how that connects to a part of the liturgical calendar  ;D

Well perhaps linked to the liturgical calendar would be better
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on June 27, 2023, 05:19:32 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 13, 2023, 01:02:12 PMand if I am feeling tomorrow like I am feeling today, I might drop another clue
That one should have given it away


Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 14, 2023, 10:26:58 AMOk here is a hint for one of them

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/395/c86/764b849a0a353d8d47b947b72130f4a473-23-anthony-weiner.rsquare.w330.jpg)

donga on the phona would be the hint there for the other
Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: BWV 1080 on July 11, 2023, 08:08:39 AM
Quote from: BWV 1080 on June 14, 2023, 10:26:58 AMOk here is a hint for one of them

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/395/c86/764b849a0a353d8d47b947b72130f4a473-23-anthony-weiner.rsquare.w330.jpg)

Thread seems to have gone dead, I thought this one was funny

The score #1 is Pelo Telefone, the first big Samba tune (El Enterriano was the first big tango hit song - see the pattern?).  It was recorded in 1916 by Ernesto Joaquim Maria dos Santos, commonly known as Donga

so the hint with the Anthony Weiner picture was Donga on the phone  ;D

Title: Re: Quiz: Mystery scores
Post by: Karl Henning on July 11, 2023, 08:35:08 AM
I missed completely that that was Anthony Weiner ....