Sir Arnold Bax

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Daverz

Quote from: Albion on December 27, 2022, 12:03:50 PM[...] Otherwise I think that Bax is one of those wonderful composers who in recording terms has "had his day", as with Bantock and Holst. There are still commercially unrecorded works by the latter two that would be well worthwhile but how to programme them? Either you pair them with other works by the same composer that have been recorded a million times or you pop them into a mixed bag of odds and sods...

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I think we are all still waiting for the "definitive" recording of Symphony No. 3. 

Maestro267

What would make a recording "definitive" over the ones we have?

vandermolen

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 27, 2022, 02:00:15 PMIn one way I admire his move: It takes nerve to step out of your zone. And if you don't make the occasional misstep, you're probably playing it too safe.
A fair point Karl and actually his recording of VW's 'A Pastoral Symphony' was quite good.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#1323
This is the definitive recording of Bax's 3rd Symphony (it has a unique atmosphere) but you will only find it on LP and others will disagree. It is one of a number of excellent RCA LPs (Tjeknavorian's LSO recording of Khachaturian's First Symphony is another one) which were never released on CD.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Biffo

Quote from: vandermolen on December 28, 2022, 02:39:29 AMThis is the definitive recording of Bax's 3rd Symphony (it has a unique atmosphere) but you will only find it on LP and others will disagree. It is one of a number of excellent RCA LPs (Tjeknavorian's LSO recording of Khachaturian's First Symphony is another one) which were never released on CD.


Of course they will! I have Barbirolli, Handley and Lloyd-Jones and don't feel a need for any more. I am sure someone will tell me I should have Thomson.

Albion

Quote from: vandermolen on December 28, 2022, 02:39:29 AMThis is the definitive recording of Bax's 3rd Symphony (it has a unique atmosphere) but you will only find it on LP and others will disagree. It is one of a number of excellent RCA LPs (Tjeknavorian's LSO recording of Khachaturian's First Symphony is another one) which were never released on CD.


You can hear the Downes Bax No.3 here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-bUEH4F5oc

:)
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

vandermolen

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: Biffo on December 28, 2022, 03:12:43 AMOf course they will! I have Barbirolli, Handley and Lloyd-Jones and don't feel a need for any more. I am sure someone will tell me I should have Thomson.
You should have Thomson!  ;D
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Albion

#1328
And there are loads of interesting and valuable broadcasts on Youtube as well, including the 1939 premiere of the 7th under Boult...

https://www.youtube.com/@richardadams2447/search?query=bax

...and a great 1983 centenary documentary with Michael Oliver, Vernon Handley, Anthony Payne, Mary Gleaves, Aloys Fleischmann, Alan Bush and Lewis Foreman (and Bax himself) entitled The Golden Age has Passed.

 :)
A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

Delighted to receive this most attractively designed set today. Currently enjoying the epic Symphony No.5
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Irons

Quote from: vandermolen on January 13, 2023, 12:46:42 PMDelighted to receive this most attractively designed set today. Currently enjoying the epic Symphony No.5


Congratulations on your purchase, Jeffrey.

I listened on vinyl Thomson's 4th last night.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

vandermolen

Quote from: Irons on January 14, 2023, 12:30:34 AMCongratulations on your purchase, Jeffrey.

I listened on vinyl Thomson's 4th last night.
That's probably the best of Thomson's Bax cycle.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Albion

Quote from: vandermolen on January 13, 2023, 12:46:42 PMDelighted to receive this most attractively designed set today. Currently enjoying the epic Symphony No.5


Very envious! With the prices that Scottish Power currently charge I had to cancel my order - on second thoughts, bugger 'em...

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A piece is worth your attention, and is itself for you praiseworthy, if it makes you feel you have not wasted your time over it. (SG, 1922)

vandermolen

Quote from: Albion on January 14, 2023, 10:49:24 AMVery envious! With the prices that Scottish Power currently charge I had to cancel my order - on second thoughts, bugger 'em...

 8)
Sorry to hear that. We are relying more on hot water bottles these days with the heating on just for an hour in the morning (usually).  :( 
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

calyptorhynchus

'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

Irons

Thoroughly enjoyed Andrew McGregor's interview with Vernon Handley on Bax, focusing on his symphonies. Out of the crop of British composers of the first half of 20c I find Bax the most enigmatic. For me at least a hour well spent.

No doubt link already posted on this thread but in case .....https://youtu.be/fvZ7zcVSwdA
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Irons on January 18, 2023, 12:50:03 AMThoroughly enjoyed Andrew McGregor's interview with Vernon Handley on Bax, focusing on his symphonies. Out of the crop of British composers of the first half of 20c I find Bax the most enigmatic. For me at least a hour well spent.

No doubt link already posted on this thread but in case .....https://youtu.be/fvZ7zcVSwdA
Interesting and enjoyable, thanks!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

relm1

Quote from: Irons on January 18, 2023, 12:50:03 AMThoroughly enjoyed Andrew McGregor's interview with Vernon Handley on Bax, focusing on his symphonies. Out of the crop of British composers of the first half of 20c I find Bax the most enigmatic. For me at least a hour well spent.

No doubt link already posted on this thread but in case .....https://youtu.be/fvZ7zcVSwdA

That was excellent.  He was such an expert on this type of music.

It makes me want to revisit all the symphonies.  What are your thoughts on my preferred list of recordings?
Symphony No. 1:   Vernon Handley
Symphony No. 2:   Fredman or Bryden Thomson
Symphony No. 3:   Edward Downes or Bryden Thomson
Symphony No. 4:   Bryden Thomson
Symphony No. 5:   Leppard
Symphony NO. 6:   Lloyd Jones
Symphony NO. 7:   Lloyd Jones


Irons

Quote from: relm1 on January 18, 2023, 04:17:14 PMThat was excellent.  He was such an expert on this type of music.

It makes me want to revisit all the symphonies.  What are your thoughts on my preferred list of recordings?
Symphony No. 1:   Vernon Handley
Symphony No. 2:   Fredman or Bryden Thomson
Symphony No. 3:   Edward Downes or Bryden Thomson
Symphony No. 4:   Bryden Thomson
Symphony No. 5:   Leppard
Symphony NO. 6:   Lloyd Jones
Symphony NO. 7:   Lloyd Jones



Yes, me too. Handley has inspired me to have a real shot at the symphonies. Posters from this thread are infinitely better qualified to comment on your list - I hope and trust they do. I have all the recordings except one, which ironically is Handley's recording of the 1st Symphony.   
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.