Missing Members

[Lisztianwagner]

Yes, aka Franco-Manitobain

That's great indeed, welcome back, Ray!

[foxandpeng]

Yes, aka Franco-Manitobain

Welcome back. Glad to see you.

[Papy Oli]

Welcome back Franco Manitobai...nut...   

[Spotted Horses]

Happy to see ChamberNut/Brahmsian/OrchestralNut/Franco Manitobain back. A nut by another name is still a nut!

[vandermolen]

Happy to see ChamberNut/Brahmsian/OrchestralNut/Franco Manitobain back. A nut by another name is still a nut!

I agree! 

[brewski]

This poster has already deleted his/her account.

This might very well be a first. Three posts and then leaving, wtf?

I only saw two posts.  Nevertheless.

Deleted by mods, because the poster had been previously removed and tried to register again with a different name.

Carry on!   

-Bruce

[Florestan]

Deleted by mods, because the poster had been previously removed and tried to register again with a different name.

Carry on!   

-Bruce

Let me guess: Deprofundis, right?

[Florestan]

Let me guess: Deprofundis, right?

Maybe he learned his lesson and this time he'll behave better. I'd be in favor of giving him one last chance, on probation. But it's just my opinion, you mods are sovereign in this respect.

[Mandryka]

Maybe he learned his lesson and this time he'll behave better. I'd be in favor of giving him one last chance, on probation. But it's just my opinion, you mods are sovereign in this respect.

Well I for one don't know why he was banned. It may be something so terrible, so irredeemable, so evil, that it is impossible for him to gain readmission.

[Florestan]

Well I for one don't know why he was banned.

Neither do I but I'm sure it must have been something really nasty. Nevertheless, people can learn their lesson and change their behaviour accordingly, that 's why I would willingly give him another chance.

[Mandryka]

Neither do I but I'm sure it must have been something really nasty. Nevertheless, people can learn their lesson and change their behaviour accordingly, that 's why I would willingly give him another chance.

Unless it was something like Faust's having sex with the devil disguised as Helen of Troy.

Was this the face that launch'd a thousand ships,
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium--
Sweet Helen, make me immortal with a kiss.--
Her lips suck forth my soul: see, where it flies!

[Traverso]

Neither do I but I'm sure it must have been something really nasty. Nevertheless, people can learn their lesson and change their behaviour accordingly, that 's why I would willingly give him another chance.

As I have indicated before, on another forum I have read several posts that were really unacceptable. It is perhaps understandable that he cannot be fully blamed for this. The active members on the forum can have a certain indulgence and sympathy ,otherwise it is up to the moderators who have to take into account more things such as a decent use of words and uncontrolled fits of anger and insults. On the other forum many posts were heavily censored or deleted completely. This has gone on for a long time and a lot of patience was needed and present as well as on this forum. It seems harsh to me to deny someone access to the forum in this specific case. It's a sad thing, maybe he will be allowed to maintain contact with some members. Exchanging e-mails from e.g.  members who are open to this. it's just an idea.

[Mandryka]

As I have indicated before, on another forum I have read several posts that were really unacceptable. It is perhaps understandable that he cannot be fully blamed for this. The active members on the forum can have a certain indulgence and sympathy ,otherwise it is up to the moderators who have to take into account more things such as a decent use of words and uncontrolled fits of anger and insults. On the other forum many posts were heavily censored or deleted completely. This has gone on for a long time and a lot of patience was needed and present as well as on this forum. It seems harsh to me to deny someone access to the forum in this specific case. It's a sad thing, maybe he will be allowed to maintain contact with some members. Exchanging e-mails from e.g.  members who are open to this. it's just an idea.

I am sure he is dyslexic. I say this because he would quite often write to me in French, and his French had the same characteristics as his English. Quirky grammar and spelling, always a comprehensible idea. There is a question of how the forum treats disability to consider.

I never saw any indecent use of words myself, or insults or anger.  But he wouldn't be the only one to insult people here, so there's also a question of double standards to consider.

Behind every post is a human being. In the case of Dominique it's a human being who is desperately trying to communicate about music. This place is not humane enough to let him use GMG.

[Traverso]

I am sure he is dyslexic. I say this because he would quite often write to me in French, and his French had the same characteristics as his English. Quirky grammar and spelling, always a comprehensible idea. There is a question of how the forum treats disability to consider.

I never saw any indecent use of words myself, or insults or anger.  But he wouldn't be the only one to insult people here, so there's also a question of double standards to consider.

Behind every post is a human being. In the case of Dominique it's a human being who is desperately trying to communicate about music. This place is not humane enough to let him use GMG.

I sympathize with the thrust of your argument. There have never been any attacks on other forum members. However, I have witnessed a number of times completely uncontrolled displays of maniacal rage, which are clearly linked to his mental state at such a time. How sad  be that as it may, I understand the decision to deny him access to the forum. This is my view on the matter, based on seeing several derailments on the other forum. I have nothing further to add to this, I am sorry but I understand the decision to deny him access to the forum. My view may come across as callous to some, but this is certainly not the case when I recall what I saw on the other forum and  the dilemma for the moderators to have to make a decision here. I will not respond further to this.

[Brian]

Although I do not know the full history with perfect recollection, it is also worth pointing out, in a general abstract way, that moderators may have more information (e.g. posts that were deleted that not many people saw, troublesome PMs, etc.).

[Ganondorf]

I feel awful for having treated deprofundis as a troll. And I should know better, considering I personally know several people who have dyslexia.

[SimonNZ]

Were there two members with that name? Because the one I remember was a knowing and deliberate troll.

And these games he's playing with the mods now where they are constantly wasting their time  dealing with multiple accounts is very much the guy I remember and has nothing to do with "dyslexia" (which wouldn't explain his surrealist-collage posts). He was someone who would hear you ask to desist in a certain behavior and then double and triple down on it for his amusement until you had gone well beyond asking politely.  And that's a troll in any context. And then there was all the racist rants (now deleted). I could add that I saw plenty of personally insulting language, but I'd also moved to strong language by that point.

[Spotted Horses]

I saw deprofundis as having mental health issues which sometime resulted in unacceptable behavior (most of what people are describing I didn't personally witness). On one hand, that limits the extent he can be held morally accountable, but it doesn't mean he should be allowed to continue doing damage (and only the moderators really know how much damage was done to the community and how much work was expended by the moderators to control the damage).

[Mandryka]

So if I can summarise.

1. Dominique is a human being who is very keen to participate. He has interesting contributions to make.
2. He has imperfect English spelling and grammar.  The content of his posts is clear.
3. A couple  of people claim to have read posts where he has been aggressive or offensive on GMG, or maybe just one person.  However these posts have disappeared.
4. He has been banned.  The moderators are quick to reinstate the ban if he tries to rejoin.
5. None of us know why he has been banned.

[Spotted Horses]

So if I can summarise.

1. Dominique is a human being who is very keen to participate. He has interesting contributions to make.
2. He has imperfect English spelling and grammar.  The content of his posts is clear.
3. A couple  of people claim to have read posts where he has been aggressive or offensive on GMG, or maybe just one person.  However these posts have disappeared.
4. He has been banned.  The moderators are quick to reinstate the ban if he tries to rejoin.
5. None of us know why he has been banned.

2. You have characterized his issue as dyslexia or poor grammar, but I don't think that is a good characterization. His posts would sometimes strike me socially inappropriate.

note added: and I get the impression that the moderators provided feedback to him as to how he could avoid going foul of the rules. Like previous cases, M Forever, snyprr, it seemed like he could not or did not want to restrain himself.

5. The moderators have given some information as to why he was banned. We are not privy to the details obviously, but it would not be reasonable to expect the moderators to publish this sort of data. Ultimately (as I understand it) the decision to bad was made by the site owner.

In any case, I won't comment further, because I feel uncomfortable discussing deprofundis when he is not present to represent himself.