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Title: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Justin Ignaz Franz Bieber on August 09, 2007, 10:23:45 PM
I've seen a few pictures of Josquin dez Prez & in every one he's wearing something on his head that looks like a turban. Why though, when he was from Flanders?
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: 71 dB on August 10, 2007, 02:06:30 AM
I've seen a few pictures of Josquin dez Prez & in every one he's wearing something on his head that looks like a turban. Why though, when he was from Flanders?

Perhaps he was bald and ashamed of that?
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: The Mad Hatter on August 10, 2007, 03:20:21 AM
Damnit, I thought this was going to be a joke...
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Mark G. Simon on August 10, 2007, 03:53:45 AM
Josquin appears to be wearing a Chaperon, a type of headgear popular back then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaperon_(headgear)

(I haven't had any success getting this link to work. You'll have to google Chaperon (headgear) yourself to get the article)

Chaperon (IPA: [??æp??ro?n]; Middle French: chaperon) was a form of hood or, later, highly versatile hat worn in all parts of Western Europe in the Middle Ages. Initially a utilitarian garment, it first grew a long partly decorative tail behind, and then developed into a complex, versatile and expensive headgear after what was originally the vertical opening for the face began to be used as a horizontal opening for the head. It was especially fashionable in mid-15th century Burgundy, before gradually falling out of fashion in the late 15th century and returning to its utilitarian status. It is the most commonly worn male headgear in Early Netherlandish painting, but its complicated construction is often misunderstood.

Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: karlhenning on August 10, 2007, 03:59:28 AM
Perhaps he was bald and ashamed of that?

Is that why Finns wear hats?

In lots of other places, headwear is actually a subset of fashion  8)
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: karlhenning on August 10, 2007, 04:01:35 AM
Chaperon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaperon_(headgear))

Somehow the forum software drops the close-parens.
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: karlhenning on August 10, 2007, 04:03:08 AM
Quote
Little Red Riding Hood is Le Petit Chaperon rouge in the earliest published version, by Charles Perrault
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: 71 dB on August 10, 2007, 04:14:44 AM
Is that why Finns wear hats?

Finns wear hats because it's cold up here in the north.  ;)
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Hector on August 10, 2007, 05:29:37 AM
Looks like a dead cat.

Did the Flems hate cats?
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Josquin des Prez on August 10, 2007, 05:33:28 AM
Looks like a dead cat.

Take that back, now.  >:(
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: pjme on August 10, 2007, 06:13:15 AM
(http://www.jhu.edu/ryugolab/research/fig_endbulbstudy03.jpg)

in Flanders we love our cats! This is my brothers cat "Arthur", listening to Stravinsky's Petrouchka with the newest Cat-pod.
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: karlhenning on August 10, 2007, 06:14:51 AM
In Flanders we love our cats,
And we never wear them as hats!
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: pjme on August 10, 2007, 06:31:41 AM
(http://ffrevolution.com/1stuff/cathatlolsm.jpg)

In Flanders we love our cats,
And we never wear them as hats

I must admit "only very rarely" - par exemple, when we are going to the opera!
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: The Mad Hatter on August 10, 2007, 06:45:32 AM
Take that back, now.  >:(

Judging by your avatar, you're right. It looks more like he got stuck walking through a curtain, and pulled it down on his head as he freed himself.
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: pjme on August 10, 2007, 07:02:46 AM

You can make your own chaperon!

http://lerozier.free.fr/chaperon.htm

Good luck!
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: karlhenning on August 10, 2007, 07:05:18 AM
Damnit, I thought this was going to be a joke...

This is so your thread, Hatter  8)
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: johnQpublic on August 10, 2007, 07:12:32 AM
Gee, I thought Josquin was "futuristic" in that he was wearing what is today called  a "doorag"

(http://tchs.lisd.net/Information/DressCode/doorag.jpg)
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Larry Rinkel on August 10, 2007, 08:14:11 AM
Gee, I thought Josquin was "futuristic" in that he was wearing what is today called  a "doorag"

(http://tchs.lisd.net/Information/DressCode/doorag.jpg)

I'm glad this discussion is supplanting the Elgar thread.
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: johnQpublic on August 10, 2007, 08:23:43 AM
Supplanting? No, more like paralleling.

Here's the vibrational field Josquin produced doing yoga:

(http://www.diamondlady.net/aura.jpg)
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: BachQ on August 10, 2007, 09:13:51 AM
According to Wiki,  "the turban he is wearing is indicative of a fashion in 1490s Italy, possibly related to the circumstances of composition of the Missa La sol fa re mi"  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missa_La_sol_fa_re_mi)
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: pjme on August 10, 2007, 09:46:27 AM
(http://www.elvispompilio.com/EL.jpg)

Flanders is famous for hats, cats and a certain jenesaisquoi that is always influenced by surrealism. Elvis Pompilio is our mad hatter.

http://www.elvispompilio.com/
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Hector on August 13, 2007, 03:16:41 AM
(http://www.jhu.edu/ryugolab/research/fig_endbulbstudy03.jpg)

in Flanders we love our cats! This is my brothers cat "Arthur", listening to Stravinsky's Petrouchka with the newest Cat-pod.

That photo does not convince.
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Hector on August 13, 2007, 04:47:37 AM
In Flanders we love our cats,
And we never wear them as hats!


Pure DOGgerel. ;D
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: karlhenning on August 13, 2007, 04:51:29 AM
Woof!  ;D
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: quintett op.57 on August 14, 2007, 07:59:12 AM
I don't think Josquin is wearing a chaperon, but I remember seeing this kind of headgear in my history book, especially at the chapter of our king (of France) Louis XI (1423-1483).
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: pjme on August 14, 2007, 09:09:48 AM
AHa!! That is intrigueing!!! Can someone post a good example? Josquin with headdress!

Peter
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: greg on August 14, 2007, 10:03:28 AM
he wore a turban, huh?
that can only mean he was a terrorist...
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: pjme on August 14, 2007, 11:28:16 AM
(http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/josquin.jpg)  (http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/e/ef/Desprez.jpg)
                                                                           Josquin 2
Josquin 1

(http://www.austriatravel.ws/images/JosquinDesprez.jpg)

Josquin 3

this is only the start!

Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Hector on August 15, 2007, 05:01:59 AM
Woof!  ;D

Didn't he write songs and go mad...as a dog ;D
Title: Re: What did Josquin wear on his head?
Post by: Hector on August 15, 2007, 05:04:10 AM
he wore a turban, huh?
that can only mean he was a terrorist...

...and a hoody, which is even worse.

I'm waiting for Harry to contribute so I can put: "That's some bad hat, Harry."