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Title: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 06, 2021, 05:14:52 AM
Well, I really like this music, which seems witty and lively,  and I have only one recording -- Elisso Virsaladze. Has anyone else done anything interesting with it on record?
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Jo498 on July 06, 2021, 07:11:59 AM
I am barely familiar with the music but the young Mustonen recorded them (Decca, 1990s, with Alkan, I think) and he is usually interesting.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 06, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
There seems to be a version for violin and piano too, not sure whether both were penned by DSCH,

Just taking random samples from recordings streaming is pretty disheartening, because either they play down the  acerbic wit and add kiss curls and curlicues, which kills it, or they just produce something utterly dry, monochrome and boring. Maybe Virsaladze  is as good as it gets.

Vitaly Katajev may be worth pursuing, maybe not.

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiODAyMTc5MS4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6MzAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0MDE5ODI1NTd9)
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 06, 2021, 09:34:42 AM
I am barely familiar with the music but the young Mustonen recorded them (Decca, 1990s, with Alkan, I think) and he is usually interesting.

I have that in the Decca Shostakovich Chamber Music box.  I should give it a listen at last. Come to poke around, I've also got Margarete Babinsky, so I could do a comparison.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 06, 2021, 10:26:38 AM
Scherbakov and Mustonen are the two I'm most familiar with. Brian mentioned Andrey Gugnin in another thread, this is the most "modern, detached" version I've heard, maybe this is like Roger Woodward given the descriptions of his Op. 87 in the other thread.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 06, 2021, 10:35:06 AM
Here's Koroliov

https://www.youtube.com/v/9dF9BP6nuAE&ab_channel=incontrariomotu
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 06, 2021, 12:34:03 PM
Scherbakov and Mustonen are the two I'm most familiar with. Brian mentioned Andrey Gugnin in another thread, this is the most "modern, detached" version I've heard, maybe this is like Roger Woodward given the descriptions of his Op. 87 in the other thread.

Where is the Gugnin?
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: aukhawk on July 06, 2021, 01:26:50 PM
No.15 in D flat may be familiar to UK members of a certain generation, as the title music to the BBC sitcom Ever Decreasing Circles.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 06, 2021, 02:30:37 PM
Where is the Gugnin?

It's on Hyperion so presumably not very easy to hear online, send me a PM if you'd like.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mirror Image on July 06, 2021, 03:14:58 PM
It's on Hyperion so presumably not very easy to hear online, send me a PM if you'd like.

Coincidently, I bought that recording today. 8) Looking forward to hearing it.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 07, 2021, 06:43:01 AM
It's on Hyperion so presumably not very easy to hear online, send me a PM if you'd like.

I’ve managed to hear it now. I’m starting to think that I had stumbled on the best by accident with Virssaladze.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 14, 2021, 01:00:53 PM
I’ve managed to hear it now. I’m starting to think that I had stumbled on the best by accident with Virssaladze.

How does one hear this? I see one on Youtube, but then two other pianists are credited in the extras section.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Madiel on July 15, 2021, 02:37:09 AM
There seems to be a version for violin and piano too, not sure whether both were penned by DSCH,

The arrangement was not by Shostakovich. It's a combination of arrangements by Dmitri Tsyganov and Lera Auerbach.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 15, 2021, 05:14:22 AM
How does one hear this? I see one on Youtube, but then two other pianists are credited in the extras section.

One buys the CD

https://live-classics.com/shop/liszt-mephisto-waltz-no-1-sonetto-104-di-petrarca-shostakovich-24-preludes-op-34-lisztgounod-waltz-from-faust-milan-1995-2001/

or one listens to the stream here

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y53BkOqKhI&list=OLAK5uy_l8UAgMsJKmcZB-5jrgF_LD0hfKAIAPaGk

(I think it is excellent, I hope you try it.)
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 15, 2021, 11:22:32 AM
One buys the CD

https://live-classics.com/shop/liszt-mephisto-waltz-no-1-sonetto-104-di-petrarca-shostakovich-24-preludes-op-34-lisztgounod-waltz-from-faust-milan-1995-2001/

or one listens to the stream here

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y53BkOqKhI&list=OLAK5uy_l8UAgMsJKmcZB-5jrgF_LD0hfKAIAPaGk

(I think it is excellent, I hope you try it.)

Region locked just like on Spotify and Qobuz

(https://i.imgur.com/fiY9Heq.jpg)
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 15, 2021, 06:52:53 PM
Then download a free vpn, I use windscribe.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 16, 2021, 09:26:13 AM
Here is a link that doesn't require a VPN, performance is identical to the one you linked in the music.youtube one, initially I wasn't sure because Youtube credits two other pianists: https://youtu.be/30gJoDUYuns

She's interesting, at times makes the music sound more like Chopin than Shostakovich. I think Olli has all those qualities you mentioned in the OP except for maybe lively as his is a more cool approach.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 16, 2021, 12:37:34 PM
I still haven't heard Mustonen -- I will do something about that!
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 16, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Mustonen makes them into a hotchpotch, a rag bag of  unconnected pieces of music, Elisso makes them flow and cohere. I wondered why Elisso is one track, now I know: it’s part of her conception. Mustonen’s touch is more brittle.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Madiel on July 16, 2021, 07:10:02 PM
Mustonen makes them into a hotchpotch, a rag bag of  unconnected pieces of music, Elisso makes them flow and cohere. I wondered why Elisso is one track, now I know: it’s part of her conception. Mustonen’s touch is more brittle.

Okay, now you're definitely making me want to listen to other performances. I only have Mustonen (not that I know even that recording very well at all yet).

I should probably try Weichert for starters...
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 17, 2021, 08:01:04 AM
I have that in the Decca Shostakovich Chamber Music box.  I should give it a listen at last. Come to poke around, I've also got Margarete Babinsky, so I could do a comparison.

Karl can you say if this was supposed to come with a booklet? I found a really cheap copy, mostly interested in hearing Ashkenazy's Op. 87 but there was no booklet.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 17, 2021, 08:02:10 AM
Mustonen makes them into a hotchpotch, a rag bag of  unconnected pieces of music, Elisso makes them flow and cohere. I wondered why Elisso is one track, now I know: it’s part of her conception. Mustonen’s touch is more brittle.

I did end up ordering the CD after a second listen. They're interesting for sure, I thought they might have been slightly too eccentric on first listen.

Edit: I can't say I'll be too fond of it being a single track. It's possible to index them while keeping it gapless.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on July 18, 2021, 05:35:19 AM
I did end up ordering the CD after a second listen. They're interesting for sure, I thought they might have been slightly too eccentric on first listen.

Edit: I can't say I'll be too fond of it being a single track. It's possible to index them while keeping it gapless.

My advantage, or disadvantage, is that I don't know enough about Shostakovich to know what's eccentric and what isn't!
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 18, 2021, 07:36:57 AM
Karl can you say if this was supposed to come with a booklet? I found a really cheap copy, mostly interested in hearing Ashkenazy's Op. 87 but there was no booklet.


Mine came with no booklet.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 18, 2021, 07:41:12 AM
I did end up ordering the CD after a second listen. They're interesting for sure, I thought they might have been slightly too eccentric on first listen.

Edit: I can't say I'll be too fond of it being a single track. It's possible to index them while keeping it gapless.

Shostakovich wrote the Opus 34 in 1932 & 33, a nervy, uncertain time for Soviet artists. Brittle is arguably a valid tack. Approaching the Opus 34 through the lens of the Opus 87, arguably anachronistic.  Of course the musical result of the performance will put the case.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mirror Image on July 27, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
Karl can you say if this was supposed to come with a booklet? I found a really cheap copy, mostly interested in hearing Ashkenazy's Op. 87 but there was no booklet.

Decca put a booklet in all of their Shostakovich reissue box sets. I think there were like three boxes in total? I can’t remember, but, yes, there are booklets in all of these sets.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: hvbias on July 29, 2021, 12:57:01 PM
Decca put a booklet in all of their Shostakovich reissue box sets. I think there were like three boxes in total? I can’t remember, but, yes, there are booklets in all of these sets.

Mine came with no booklet.

Thanks guys, turns out my question was moot; the seller slapped a shipping label on the box itself with some sort of permanent glue and the postal service pretty much destroyed it.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: The new erato on July 30, 2021, 01:21:29 AM
Mine came with no booklet.
That's the 5 CD Decca set, right? A booklet in mine.
Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Todd on September 06, 2021, 04:53:26 AM
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Title: Re: Shostakovich op 34 preludes
Post by: Mandryka on September 07, 2021, 06:16:17 AM
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Very good, thanks for mentioning. Very well recorded too, and he can do timbre, which is nice when it’s caught so beautifully. I kept thinking it would be nice to hear him do Schumann, it’s as if he brings out the contrasting Florestan and Eusebius in these preludes.

Why can’t all piano recordings sound as good as this?!