(For notes please see the introduction to the William Wordsworth Catalogue)
PETER RACINE FRICKER: A CATALOGUE OF THE ORCHESTRAL AND CHORAL MUSIC
1946: Adagio
1946-47: Symphonietta
Suite for School Orchestra
1948: Rondo Scherzoso: 18 minutes
1948-49: Symphony No.1, op.9: 28 minutes + (First Edition LP)
1949: Prelude, Elegy and Finale for String Orchestra, op.10 + (Pye LP)
1949-50: Concerto for Violin and Small Orchestra(Violin Concerto No. 1): 20 minutes + (Lyrita cd)
1950: Concertante for Cor Anglais and String orchestra(Concertante No.1), op.13: 12 minutes
1950-51: Symphony No.2, op.14: 30 minutes + (EMI cd)
1951: Concertante No.2 for Three Pianos, Strings and Timpani, op.15: 14 minutes
Ballet "Canterbury Prologue", op.16
1952-53: Viola Concerto, op.18: 27 minutes
1952-54: Concerto for Piano and Small Orchestra, op.19: 26 minutes
1953-54: Violin Concerto No.2(Rhapsodia Concertante): 22 minutes
1954: Dance Scene, op.22: 11 minutes
1955: Litany for Double String Orchestra, op.26: 16 minutes
Musick's Empire for chorus and small orchestra, op.27
1956: Orchestral Fantasie: 2 minutes
1958: Oratorio "The Vision of Judgment" for tenor, soprano, chorus and orchestra, op.29: 50 minutes
Waltz for Restricted Orchestra
Comedy Overture, op.32: 4 minutes
1959: Cantata 'Colet' for chorus, soloists and orchestra: 13 minutes
Toccata for Piano and Orchestra, op.33: 12 minutes
1960: Symphony No.3, op.36: 31 minutes
1961-62: Cantata for Tenor and Chamber Ensemble, op.37
1963: 'O Longs Desirs'-Five Songs for Soprano and Orchestra, op.39: 21 minutes
1964-66: Symphony No.4, op.43: 34 minutes
1965: Four Songs for High Voice and orchestra, op.42a: 7 minutes
1966: Three Scenes, op.45: 16 minutes
1967: Seven Counterpoints, op.47: 18 minutes
1967: Magnificat for soprano, contralto, tenor, chorus and orchestra, op.50: 23 minutes
1968: Concertante No.4 for Flute, Oboe, Violin and Strings, op.52: 12 minutes
1971: Nocturne for Chamber Orchestra, op.63: 9 minutes (Cheltenham Festival)
1972: Introitus, op.66: 11 minutes
1976: Symphony No.5 for Organ and Orchestra, op.74
1976-77: Sinfonia for Seventeen Wind Instruments (In Memoriam Benjamin Britten), op.76: 11 minutes
1979: Laudi Concertante for Organ and Orchestra, op.80: 32 minutes
1982: Rondeaux for Horn and Orchestra, op.87: 20 minutes (Cheltenham Festival)
1984: Oratorio "Whispers At These Curtains" for baritone, boys' choir, chorus and orchestra, op.88: 50 minutes (Three Choirs' Festival)
1985: Concertino for St.Paul's, op.91: 20 minutes
1986: Concerto for Orchestra, op.93: 18 minutes (Cheltenham Festival)
1987-88: Walk By Quiet Water, op.96: 11 minutes
1989: Piano Concerto No.2, op.97: 26 minutes
With Joyance, op.100: 11 minutes
Whoa! I just thought I'd post here after listening to a cd-r of Fricker's Symphonies 1 & 3. I was expecting a slightly longer thread!! ??? ;D For some reason these works finally 'clicked' with me. I enjoyed (if that's the right word?) both. Powerful,brooding music. A shame the third isn't available on cd. I did know this from a cassette tape I made of a R3 broadcast,some years ago.
Oops,just realised this appears to be a catalogue,not a thread!! Bit late to create one now. Maybe tomorrow and move this there??!! ::) I wonder if anyone else cares for this composer here? I know Dundonnell is an admirer;but he doesn't post here,anymore!
Quote from: cilgwyn on January 17, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
Oops,just realised this appears to be a catalogue,not a thread!! Bit late to create one now. Maybe tomorrow and move this there??!! ::) I wonder if anyone else cares for this composer here? I know Dundonnell is an admirer;but he doesn't post here,anymore!
I like Symphony 2 - it has a terrific, very exciting, final section:
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This CD is now prohibitively expensive but all three works are excellent. The craggy Orr Symphony was a great discovery for me, reminding me of the music of Havergal Brian and Carlos Chavez. The Simpson is my favourite of his cycle too.
Quote from: cilgwyn on January 17, 2017, 01:27:48 PM
Whoa! I just thought I'd post here after listening to a cd-r of Fricker's Symphonies 1 & 3. I was expecting a slightly longer thread!! ??? ;D For some reason these works finally 'clicked' with me. I enjoyed (if that's the right word?) both. Powerful,brooding music. A shame the third isn't available on cd. I did know this from a cassette tape I made of a R3 broadcast,some years ago.
Thanks to YouTube and a certain "James Stuart," the
Third is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/v/Q9VesoqB_ds
All the symphonies can be previewed on YouTube.
I've just downloaded the Second symphony from the Art Music Forum (AMF). The sound quality is very good. I did have it on a cd-r before,but I'm afraid that apapart from No 3,which I quite liked,at first,anyway (when I first taped it off the radio) Fricker's music hasn't really done much for me. Anyway,there I was with a pile of cd-r's and I thought I'll try this one of Fricker 2 & 3,not expecting to keep it on for very long. Suddenly I'm hooked! This sort of music is usually a bit too thorny for me;but now I'm thinking,hm.......I like this. Well,maybe not 'like'? It's not exactly music to love........but has a powerful,brooding quality and momentum to it which keeps me listening. How I get to liking Bainton's third to suddenly liking Fricker I really don't know? Maybe it's a miracle?!! ;D Seriously,I'm going to put this on again. I've run out of cd-r's right now;but I can see some Fricker burning coming this way!!
Yes,I'm aware that the Orr symphony has some big fans. I believe Johan is one? Time to get to know it,I suppose?
The Orr Symphony is available at the AMF,so I'm downloading it again. I did have it on my pc! There are two other Orr symphonie,but I'm given to understand that the one on the emi cd is the one that is regardest as the finest. I may very well be wrong! (I downloaded them,anyway!! ;D).
Okay,now for some more Fricker to lull me off to sleep!!! ??? :o ;D
When i saw this I thought,'Oh great,I can get this on one of those Louisville reissue cds! :) Unfortunately,it appears that the reissue series fizzled out out before this one could appear. I'll have to make do with my cd-r after all,it seems. The sound quality is very good though,and I've coupled it with his power packed third symphony!
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Quote from: vandermolen on January 17, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
I like Symphony 2 - it has a terrific, very exciting, final section:
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This CD is now prohibitively expensive but all three works are excellent. The craggy Orr Symphony was a great discovery for me, reminding me of the music of Havergal Brian and Carlos Chavez. The Simpson is my favourite of his cycle too.
I just made a cd-r of Symphony No 2 (and No 1) from the downloads library at the AFM Forum. It's in very good sound quality,and the finale is every bit as exciting and terrific as you said it was!!
Not the performance on the emi cd,I might add!
Quote from: cilgwyn on January 19, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Not the performance on the emi cd,I might add!
Glad you think so - the last few minutes of Symphony 2 are terrific.
I'm lstening to a cd-r I made of Peter Racine Fricker's First Symphony. This is music with a stern demeanour;but it's perfectly approachable in it's own way;and often quite thrilling. I like his slow movements,particularly. They have a haunting quality,rising to powerful cimaxes,which really reach into the 'corners' of your mind. On first encounter his orchestration might appear a little grey and severe,but it's actually quite varied. I like the way he uses a piano as part of the orchestra in places,for example. His Second Symphony follows.I wish a recording label was interested in making some new recordings! :( This is impressive music,imho!
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This is not the kind of music I usually listen to. In terms of composers in my collection,Mennin is the closest in terms of the actual 'soundworld'. This is 'tough' music (at least to me,it is! ;D) but it has a degree of lyricism,albeit a severe form,which I can respond to. Also,I do feel that,all the time I am listening,this is music that is definitely going somewhere. I don't feel any of those moments of aimless,note spinning that have me reaching for the 'Stop' button.
I've just been listening again to the final pages of the third movement of the Second Symphony. This has to be one of the most viscerally exciting finales to a British symphony. The second movement of the first symphony is another highlight for me. I find it very absorbing;building up (as it does) to a very powerful climax,topped by loud thwacks on the drum,before dying down to glacial stillness. I have had both symphonies on repeat for a while,now,and the more I listen the more I hear. Not my usual territory,but I do feel these symphonies are well worth my time. Also,despite the severity and steeliness,they do seem to open up remarkably after a few listens. I can see why Dundonnell admires then now.
This is my third post,on this thread,in a row,so I better leave it that for now!! ::) ;D Oh,but I've still got the third symphony to listen to!! ::) ;D
Quote from: cilgwyn on May 30, 2017, 10:17:02 AM
I've just been listening again to the final pages of the third movement of the Second Symphony. This has to be one of the most viscerally exciting finales to a British symphony. The second movement of the first symphony is another highlight for me. I find it very absorbing;building up (as it does) to a very powerful climax,topped by loud thwacks on the drum,before dying down to glacial stillness. I have had both symphonies on repeat for a while,now,and the more I listen the more I hear. Not my usual territory,but I do feel these symphonies are well worth my time. Also,despite the severity and steeliness,they do seem to open up remarkably after a few listens. I can see why Dundonnell admires then now.
This is my third post,on this thread,in a row,so I better leave it that for now!! ::) ;D Oh,but I've still got the third symphony to listen to!! ::) ;D
I think the Mennin comparison is appropriate. I also had the RCA LP of Symphony 1 which I enjoyed and wish it was on CD. I'd have replied before but am on holiday in Kiev/Kyiv.
I greatly admire his music though It's been very difficult to locate. He has, what I'd call "lyrical intensity." ::)
Intense lyricism?! :-\ ;D Fricker's music isn't the kind I usually respond to. Mennin is the closest comparison I could find in my collection. I was thinking about this;and for all his apparent (at first listen) 'greyness' and abrasiveness;his orchestration is often suprisingly varied. His use of a piano as part of the orchestra in the First symphony and percussion. There are exciting thwacks from the drums at points. The faster sections are often quite thrilling in almost visceral kind of way. The finale of the Second Symphony,in particular,is one of the most thrilling I have heard in a British symphony. The third Symphony was the first Fricker I ever heard,back in the mid nineties (I think?). I taped the Radio 3 broadcast,and listened to the cassette a few times. I think Arnell's Piano Concerto was on the other side!! Listening to this after hearing the first two symphonies,it seems like a step down in some ways;even so there is an intensity to the string writing and defiant grandeur which I do find quite invigorating. Must listen again!! In a perfect world Bis would give us a cycle (But they won't even gisa Rosenberg! ::) ;D)
Exciting news for British music lovers! I picked this up via Albion,at the AMF forum. Lyrita will be releasing recordings of Peter Racine FRicker's Symphonies 1-4,as a 2 cd set! I would be grateful if someone could please post a picture of the forthcoming Lyrita release. I think Amazon uk have one up on their site. I blocked off Amazon and ebay with software (passwords in the attic!!) to help me save!! :-[ ::) :(
For release on October 6th! :) :
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Quote from: cilgwyn on July 23, 2017, 02:59:30 PM
For release on October 6th! :) :
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Thanks cilgwyn. I'll be very interested to hear a new performance of Symphony 2 and an alternative version to the recording on RCA Gold Seal of Fricker's First Symphony.
Someone very kindly made me a CD copy of Ruth Gipps's wonderful 4th Symphony some years ago. I only just realised that the CD also contained a recording of Fricker's a Third Symphony which I recently listened to with much interest. It is a characteristically unsmiling and rather relentless score, reminding me a bit of Peter Mennin's symphonies but it has a very fine conclusion which put a kind of retrospective glow over the whole work. I may well investigate the forthcoming Lyrita set.
Neither orchestral or choral, but I've barely been able to stop listening to this new Naxos disk of his string quartets. If you're a fan of oh, say, Bartok string quartets, you'll be all over this. Highly recommended.
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Quote from: Omicron9 on August 23, 2017, 07:16:56 AM
Neither orchestral or choral, but I've barely been able to stop listening to this new Naxos disk of his string quartets. If you're a fan of oh, say, Bartok string quartets, you'll be all over this. Highly recommended.
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Am looking forward to receiving the symphonies on Lyrita soon.
Part of a post I made in the "Re Lyrita,thread;at the Art Music Forum:
"One of the cheques was for the cd of Fricker's The Vision of Judgement. After listening to the Lyrita set of the symphonies I couldn't resist it. I thought I might not enjoy it,though. I had an idea it might be a bit forbidding! On the contrary! I just had to listen to it again,all the way through. I was bowled over by just how approachable it was.....in a good way! Quite thrilling in places;and even quite;dare I say it,lyrical. It seemed like Fricker in a more "public",outgoing mode,than in the symphonies.. I found it a bit of a surprise after listening to them. I'd love to hear it in state of the art sound. I don't see why a record label like Chandos would be put off by it's sound world. A sonic spectacular in lush Chandos sound?!! Nothing to be afraid of,there,imho. But this is what we need from a label like Lyrita. Eventually,other labels may take heed;and there do seem to be a few,hopeful signs,that Chandos are getting a little more adventurous........maybe?!!"
And in a reply to vandermolen,here,today:
Yes,I was really surprised by what I heard! I actually,didn't buy the cd,when it came out,because I thought it would be like the symphonies!!! Not that I didn't like them! But the thought of a big,choral work in the same vein!! ??? ;D Dundonnell,at the Art Music Forum,in replying to my post there (in the Re:Lyrita,thread) about the work,noted that,perhaps,ironically (or not?) the "public qualities" of the work led Hugh Wood to criticise the "consequential loss of individuality". And,I'm going to have to continue this in a Fricker thread,aren't I?!! ::) ;D
And my response to Dundonnell's reply (concerning Hugh Wood's criticism,of The Vision of Judgement) also,at the Art Music Forum:
Interesting! I'll have to listen again,really;but I can understand what Hugh Wood meant;and I suppose (maybe?) he's right? At the same time I found it a very impressive piece of music. I think that the more "populist" attributes of the work could actually make it more appealing to those who might not,normally,respond positively towards Fricker's usually more introspective,astringent demeanour. It's not his most individual work;and it's not the most original choral work I've heard by a British composer. But then again, I had to put it on again,as soon as I'd finished listening. And not merely because,I was trying to find some good in it!! So far,I think the money on that cd was money well spent! Another reason why Lyrita need to continue with such releases."
I think it's my favourite Fricker,now! I don't see why Chandos couldn't record this one? If they can release a new recording of Bliss' The Beatitudes. I was on the verge of buying the 0.99p Dutton 2 cd set of the works premiere (in their bargain box,yesterday!) when I saw your post about the work being so boring you had to turn (a radio broadcast of it,off). I also think it's allot easier to digest than some other choral works that Chandos have issued on cd. With all due respect,I think Chandos should stop being such big babies about something being a little astringent (or,"difficult",anyway!! ::) >:(
Quote from: cilgwyn on March 27, 2018, 04:57:48 AM
I think it's my favourite Fricker,now! I don't see why Chandos couldn't record this one? If they can release a new recording of Bliss' The Beatitudes. I was on the verge of buying the 0.99p Dutton 2 cd set of the works premiere (in their bargain box,yesterday!) when I saw your post about the work being so boring you had to turn (a radio broadcast of it,off). I also think it's allot easier to digest than some other choral works that Chandos have issued on cd. With all due respect,I think Chandos should stop being such big babies about something being a little astringent (or,"difficult",anyway!! ::) >:(
I also found the Bliss Beatitudes boring but I didn't make it to the end of Fricker's Vision either. I bought the Lyrita CD after reading an enthusiastic review in a French(!) music magazine. Perhaps I will give it another try sometime but not soon.
I think Chandos is a national treasure and I can't see that they shy away from recording 'difficult' works. However, with their stalwarts Handley and Hickox gone I am not sure who will take up the baton for them; Sir Andrew Davis can't conduct everything.
Quote from: Biffo on March 27, 2018, 06:13:35 AM
I also found the Bliss Beatitudes boring but I didn't make it to the end of Fricker's Vision either. I bought the Lyrita CD after reading an enthusiastic review in a French(!) music magazine. Perhaps I will give it another try sometime but not soon.
I think Chandos is a national treasure and I can't see that they shy away from recording 'difficult' works. However, with their stalwarts Handley and Hickox gone I am not sure who will take up the baton for them; Sir Andrew Davis can't conduct everything.
Yes, 'The Beatitudes' was a great let-down and I'm not surprised that Britten's 'War Requiem' replaced it for the opening of the new Coventry Cathedral. Morning Heroes by Bliss would have been a much better choice.
I didn't know this! Not that I've seen the film!
http://www.classical-music.com/review/colin-davis-conducts-frickers-vision-judgement-and-symphony-no-5 (http://www.classical-music.com/review/colin-davis-conducts-frickers-vision-judgement-and-symphony-no-5)
I probably won't be returning to the work either,for a while!! ::) ;D Unfortunately,if you use cordless headphones,allot,like I do;the sound on the Lyrita cd seems to blast your brains out,if I have the volume control at it's usual level. I turned it right down;only to have to turn it up again to hear the quiet bits,and then have my ears blown to smithereens,when there's a noisy bit! I had a similar problem with the Lyrita cd of the symphonies;albeit,not as bad!! . I have never had these problems with any other cd I have ever listened to! Interesting!! ::) ;D One to listen to via speakers,perhaps?!! Did you actually buy the Lyrita cd,by the way,vandermolen? Or just listen via Youtube?!
I wish I could be more enthusiastic about Symphonies 4 & 5. No 1 is,without doubt,the best,followed by No 2,particularly the finale;which is the highlight! I quite like No3;which was the first Fricker I ever heard. But Fricker's symphonic output does seem a good example of the law of diminishing terms,in some ways......even if you like his music! :(
Quote from: cilgwyn on March 27, 2018, 01:40:42 PM
I didn't know this! Not that I've seen the film!
http://www.classical-music.com/review/colin-davis-conducts-frickers-vision-judgement-and-symphony-no-5 (http://www.classical-music.com/review/colin-davis-conducts-frickers-vision-judgement-and-symphony-no-5)
I probably won't be returning to the work either,for a while!! ::) ;D Unfortunately,if you use cordless headphones,allot,like I do;the sound on the Lyrita cd seems to blast your brains out,if I have the volume control at it's usual level. I turned it right down;only to have to turn it up again to hear the quiet bits,and then have my ears blown to smithereens,when there's a noisy bit! I had a similar problem with the Lyrita cd of the symphonies;albeit,not as bad!! . I have never had these problems with any other cd I have ever listened to! Interesting!! ::) ;D One to listen to via speakers,perhaps?!! Did you actually buy the Lyrita cd,by the way,vandermolen? Or just listen via Youtube?!
I wish I could be more enthusiastic about Symphonies 4 & 5. No 1 is,without doubt,the best,followed by No 2,particularly the finale;which is the highlight! I quite like No3;which was the first Fricker I ever heard. But Fricker's symphonic output does seem a good example of the law of diminishing terms,in some ways......even if you like his music! :(
Thanks for the link cilgwyn. In answer to your question I've ordered the Lyrita CD as it's the only one available. Looks like I don't need to bother about listening to Symphony 5! I like Symphony 2, especially the compelling final section. I recall that No.1 was coupled with Martinu's 5th Symphony on a RCA Gold Seal LP.,
Quote from: vandermolen on March 27, 2018, 12:15:48 PM
Yes, 'The Beatitudes' was a great let-down and I'm not surprised that Britten's 'War Requiem' replaced it for the opening of the new Coventry Cathedral. Morning Heroes by Bliss would have been a much better choice.
Britten' War Requiem was always intended for the opening, the Bliss was an additional work commissioned for the celebrations - here is a bit from The Guardian -
'But Britten's War Requiem was by no means the only commission in 1962; new works from Lennox Berkeley and Wilfrid Mellers, as well as Michael Tippett's second opera, King Priam, were first performed in the city, and there was also a cantata from the then Master of the Queen's Music, Arthur Bliss, which was composed specifically to be performed in the new cathedral.
Yet to Bliss's dismay the first performance of The Beatitudes was severely compromised by the extra rehearsals required for the War Requiem. Instead taking place in the space for which it was conceived, the premiere was moved to the hopelessly cramped space of the Coventry theatre, with a portable Hammond organ substituted for the state-of-the-art cathedral instrument Bliss had written for. Later the same year The Beatitudes was performed in a cathedral acoustic, as part of the Three Choirs festival in Gloucester, but until this performance, with Paul Daniel conducting the BBC Philharmonic and the Sheffield Philharmonic Choir as part of the 50th-anniversary festival, it had never been heard in Coventry Cathedral itself'
Seems a bit of an unfortunate start to the work's life but I wasn't gripped when I tried it on Spotify.
I have never got on with 'Morning Heroes' either though I know others rate it very highly - we discussed it in the Amazon.co.uk forum a few years ago.
Quote from: Biffo on March 28, 2018, 01:11:51 AM
Britten' War Requiem was always intended for the opening, the Bliss was an additional work commissioned for the celebrations - here is a bit from The Guardian -
'But Britten's War Requiem was by no means the only commission in 1962; new works from Lennox Berkeley and Wilfrid Mellers, as well as Michael Tippett's second opera, King Priam, were first performed in the city, and there was also a cantata from the then Master of the Queen's Music, Arthur Bliss, which was composed specifically to be performed in the new cathedral.
I have never got on with 'Morning Heroes' either though I know others rate it very highly - we discussed it in the Amazon.co.uk forum a few years ago.
Yet to Bliss's dismay the first performance of The Beatitudes was severely compromised by the extra rehearsals required for the War Requiem. Instead taking place in the space for which it was conceived, the premiere was moved to the hopelessly cramped space of the Coventry theatre, with a portable Hammond organ substituted for the state-of-the-art cathedral instrument Bliss had written for. Later the same year The Beatitudes was performed in a cathedral acoustic, as part of the Three Choirs festival in Gloucester, but until this performance, with Paul Daniel conducting the BBC Philharmonic and the Sheffield Philharmonic Choir as part of the 50th-anniversary festival, it had never been heard in Coventry Cathedral itself'
Seems a bit of an unfortunate start to the work's life but I wasn't gripped when I tried it on Spotify.
Thanks for the clarification Biffo. The only recording I have of 'The Beatitudes' is the one of the 'Hammond organ performance' so maybe I need to hear the versions on Chandos or Lyrita. I ofen return to the music of Bliss, whose music I generally admire greatly. The Beatitudes and late Lady of Shalott ballet are two of the few I have not got on with.
Quote from: vandermolen on March 28, 2018, 01:39:19 AM
Thanks for the clarification Biffo. The only recording I have of 'The Beatitudes' is the one of the 'Hammond organ performance' so maybe I need to hear the versions on Chandos or Lyrita. I ofen return to the music of Bliss, whose music I generally admire greatly. The Beatitudes and late Lady of Shalott ballet are two of the few I have not got on with.
Somehow my posting got scrambled - I got one of those error screens - but you seem to have got the gist of it.
I went online last night to buy a copy of Solti's,Decca recording,of Mozart's Die mozart die entführung aus dem serail (Krips,Don Giovanni is on,right now!) and came across a cheap copy of this (see below) from a very well known and somewhat ubiquitous purveyor of cd's,dvd's and books (named after a well known garden bird! No not,Blue tits!! ::) ;D). Anyway,whenever I have looked sellers always ask huge prices,and unless it's signed by the composer,or conductors,I'm not going to,and can't afford to buy it! This copy was £2.73,post free!! ??? Needless to say,I bought it immediately,as I am always interested in first recordings and have a fondness for old mono recordings! One of the symphonies,is the only commercial recording,as far as I know? Although,I may be wrong!! I know that vandermolen likes this cd;and I have recently started to enjoy the symphonies of Robert Simpson (count me in calyptorhyncus!). I wonder what the painting on the front is of,by the way? (I'll find out soon,of course!).
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Quote from: cilgwyn on October 04, 2018, 02:05:42 AM
I went online last night to buy a copy of Solti's,Decca recording,of Mozart's Die mozart die entführung aus dem serail (Krips,Don Giovanni is on,right now!) and came across a cheap copy of this (see below) from a very well known and somewhat ubiquitous purveyor of cd's,dvd's and books (named after a well known garden bird! No not,Blue tits!! ::) ;D). Anyway,whenever I have looked sellers always ask huge prices,and unless it's signed by the composer,or conductors,I'm not going to,and can't afford to buy it! This copy was £2.73,post free!! ??? Needless to say,I bought it immediately,as I am always interested in first recordings and have a fondness for old mono recordings! One of the symphonies,is the only commercial recording,as far as I know? Although,I may be wrong!! I know that vandermolen likes this cd;and I have recently started to enjoy the symphonies of Robert Simpson (count me in calyptorhyncus!). I wonder what the painting on the front is of,by the way? (I'll find out soon,of course!).
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It's a fabulous CD cigwyn. I'm at work so can't check the pictire for you. Maybe Kew Gardens or a Lunatic Asylum. The Orr Symphony was the great discovery for me but Boult's performance of the Simpson symphony is unrivalled in my view and that Fricker symphony has a very exciting last few minutes. Sounds like a great bargain as well.
Of course,Elgar worked in one (an asylum) didn't he?!! If I remember correctly?!
By the way,has the Louisville recording of Fricker's Symphony No 1,ever been released on cd? And is the recording worth tracking down?!! Remember,I like old (mono?) recordings! I did actually have the Lp once;but Fricker hadn't "clicked" with me,then.
I'm sure I've got the Whitney recording on a cd-r,somewhere? I must go and look! It would be nice to have modern digital recordings of the first two,one day.......and third,perhaps? I must admit,the law of diminishing returns does seem to set in with the Fricker symphonies,however. The First is undoubtedly the best;and I know that a few members here,think it's the only one worth listening to. I do like the Second,though;and,like vandermolen,I find the last few minutes exciting,edge of the seat stuff! That said,I can understand why some people would regard the First as the finer work. The third was the first Fricker I ever liked,when I heard,and taped a Radio 3 broadcast,back in the mid 90's (?). The pounding motif is arresting,and I feel it has some good points! It might even be quite an impressive work? Yet,I have to admit that it just doesn't hold the same appeal for me,as the first two! My initial enthusiasm having dwindled,since I heard,and began to appreciate,the first two. I wouldn't mind hearing it in state of the art digital sound;in a really good performance,though. It has an angry defiance,which might benefit from current technology;and maybe,if the performance is a really committed one,I might respond?!! Then there's the Fourth,which,I'm afraid,just seems a big step down. And,even bigger!! I tried to follow it;but it just seemed to lack the focus of the earlier works. Maybe,a state of the art recording might help;but I'm not convinced! I actually switched off before the end!! :( As to the Fifth?!! The Lyrita recording is,undoubtedly,in mono sound;and not exactly great,at that. I think I got through a few bars,then switched off. Again,poor sound doesn't help;but the feeling of diminishing returns and a fire,gradually,dwindling down,as the symphonies progress!
Quote from: cilgwyn on October 04, 2018, 08:50:12 AM
Of course,Elgar worked in one (an asylum) didn't he?!! If I remember correctly?!
By the way,has the Louisville recording of Fricker's Symphony No 1,ever been released on cd? And is the recording worth tracking down?!! Remember,I like old (mono?) recordings! I did actually have the Lp once;but Fricker hadn't "clicked" with me,then.
I don't think that it has ever been issued on CD and I'm not sure that Martinu's Symphony 5 has been either. However, its companion on CD Roy Harris's Symphony 5 has been. I think that it is the music of American composers which seem to have been reissued on CD. I also liked those old Louisville recordings.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 05, 2018, 01:13:50 AM
I don't think that it has ever been issued on CD and I'm not sure that Martinu's Symphony 5 has been either. However, its companion on CD Roy Harris's Symphony 5 has been. I think that it is the music of American composers which seem to have been reissued on CD. I also liked those old Louisville recordings.
That's a shame! :(
This just came through the letterbox,today. £2.73,it cost me! Every time I've tried to buy this,sellers are asking huge prices.....then,one night! Anyway,I snapped it up! I'm listening to Fricker's Second Symphony,right now. The opening movement. Not the kind of music I usually like;but for some reason this does appeal to me. I particularly like his slow movement's. Desolate,grey,soundscapes,that seem to curl into the corners of your mind. The faster music has a propulsive,visceral energy,that's often exciting;at least for me! I wish Chandos,Bis;or some other record label would give this music,new,state of the art recordings. The law of diminishing returns does seem to apply to Fricker's symphonies,though. I switched off No4,before the end;and No5,after only a few bars!! To be fair,the poor mono sound didn't help! The First is the finest. I like this one,too. The finale is quite thrilling,imho! The third was the first Fricker symphony I heard,back in the mid 90's;when I heard,and taped,a Radio 3,broadcast of it. I'm not so keen on that one now;but it has an angry defiance,which might just convince me,if a really first rate recording was released?! The mono sound seems to add atmosphere. In fact,with a bit of a boost,from the bass,it's pretty good to my ears.
I haven't got to the Simpson,or Orr,yet! I find myself warming to Simpson's muse,of late;which is interesting,considering his critics often describe his music as lacking in warmth. Oh,and Nielsen,without the tunes!! ??? ;D (I must stop humming the "Inextinguishable",and doing all the timpani,on the way to the shop!! ::) ??? ;D)
(https://i.imgur.com/Jyvxn2I.jpg)
I'm listening to the Orr symphony,now! Wow! I can see (hear,rather!) why vandermolen and Johan have been so impressed by this!
Quote from: cilgwyn on October 06, 2018, 03:44:53 AM
I'm listening to the Orr symphony,now! Wow! I can see (hear,rather!) why vandermolen and Johan have been so impressed by this!
Yes, it's a very fine concise work which reminds me a bit of Carlos Chavez's 'Antigone' Symphony. Glad you enjoy it. I can't lay my hands on my copy at the moment so you can let me know where the cover image is of! I think you meant Fricker's Second Symphony unless you were referring to a different CD. Yes, it's funny how prices go up and down significantly for second hand CDs.
I meant,Fricker's Second Symphony. Above post amended,now! I think it was the late night & the lager (only two pint cans,mind! :( ;D). Actually,it was part of the second movement (Andante) that went around in my head,afterwards. There's one rather mysterious bit,where the music gets very quiet,which really grabs my attention. You find yourself playing that bit,over and over in your head,like a,sort of,tape machine in your head!! I haven't heard the Chavez symphony you refer to,but it was great to finally hear the Orr in decent stereo sound,and I was impressed! Orr seems to be another neglected composer. I'm surprised a label,like Toccata,haven't turned their attention to his music?
I think Fricker's first two symphonies (particularly the first) are the pick of the bunch;but the third was the first Fricker work I ever really got to know,or enjoyed. That,thanks to a Radio 3 broadcast,around the mid 90's,which I taped. Around the same time,they broadcast Arnell's Piano Concerto,which I also taped. My enthusiasm towards the third has waned since then;especially since hearing his first two symphonies,his Vision of Judgement;and some other orchestral pieces. It does seem to have something going for it,though. I would like to hear it in a really state of the art,digital recording,of Bis,or Chandos,style,quality! I think it would benefit from that......and I might even start liking it,again?!! I just wish I could feel more (if any?) enthusiasm for the Fourth and Fifth!! I'll have another go at No 4,though,before long! I'll have to turn of Don Giovanni,though!! :o ;D
I really do think it is a shame that we can't have spanking new recordings of some of Fricker's best orchestral music. And I would run to buy a brand new,Chandos,or Bis,recording of The Vision of Judgement. Others might run the other way?!! ;D Still,anyone who enjoys Fricker,should be grateful to Lyrita for these releases. I just wish they'd complete their Daniel Jones Symphony cycle,though!! >:(
NB: The painting on the back of the Fricker/Simpson/orr emi cd is "The Pittville Pump Room,Bath,with Nissen huts" (1939) by William Gaydon (Cheltenham Art Gallery & Museums).
Quote from: cilgwyn on October 07, 2018, 01:15:04 AM
I meant,Fricker's Second Symphony. Above post amended,now! I think it was the late night & the lager (only two pint cans,mind! :( ;D). Actually,it was part of the second movement (Andante) that went around in my head,afterwards. There's one rather mysterious bit,where the music gets very quiet,which really grabs my attention. You find yourself playing that bit,over and over in your head,like a,sort of,tape machine in your head!! I haven't heard the Chavez symphony you refer to,but it was great to finally hear the Orr in decent stereo sound,and I was impressed! Orr seems to be another neglected composer. I'm surprised a label,like Toccata,haven't turned their attention to his music?
I think Fricker's first two symphonies (particularly the first) are the pick of the bunch;but the third was the first Fricker work I ever really got to know,or enjoyed. That,thanks to a Radio 3 broadcast,around the mid 90's,which I taped. Around the same time,they broadcast Arnell's Piano Concerto,which I also taped. My enthusiasm towards the third has waned since then;especially since hearing his first two symphonies,his Vision of Judgement;and some other orchestral pieces. It does seem to have something going for it,though. I would like to hear it in a really state of the art,digital recording,of Bis,or Chandos,style,quality! I think it would benefit from that......and I might even start liking it,again?!! I just wish I could feel more (if any?) enthusiasm for the Fourth and Fifth!! I'll have another go at No 4,though,before long! I'll have to turn of Don Giovanni,though!! :o ;D
I really do think it is a shame that we can't have spanking new recordings of some of Fricker's best orchestral music. And I would run to buy a brand new,Chandos,or Bis,recording of The Vision of Judgement. Others might run the other way?!! ;D Still,anyone who enjoys Fricker,should be grateful to Lyrita for these releases. I just wish they'd complete their Daniel Jones Symphony cycle,though!! >:(
NB: The painting on the back of the Fricker/Simpson/orr emi cd is "The Pittville Pump Room,Bath,with Nissen huts" (1939) by William Gaydon (Cheltenham Art Gallery & Museums).
Thanks for the painting info. I owe you an enormous vote of thanks for alerting me to the qualities of 'The Vision of Judgment' which I still play regularly. The last part is especially moving but I enjoy the work as a whole. I like the appreciative shout-out by a member of the audience at the end. I'm not too keen on Symphony 5 and agree with you that symphonies 1 and 2 are the best or at least most enjoyable.
My wife has informed me that not only am I 'having an affair' with my CD collection but that I'm also addicted to my 'online music and cat group' (two separate groups by the way in case you thought it was one group). I don't even belong to a cat group any more. Must get on with my domestic chores whilst listening to the original version of Sibelius 5th Symphony. Thought you'd appreciate a bit of context.
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In terms of inspiration:
Symphony No 1 (A fine symphony!)
Symphony No 2 (A slight step down from the first,but,imho,still a fine symphony with a thrilling,edge of the seat ride through the final bars and an absorbing (Andante) second movement).
Symphony No 3 :-\ (But,a state of the art,hybrid SACD recording & a really first rate performance,may yet,persuade me?! It did alert me to the qualities of this composer!)
Symphony No 4 ( I'll have another go,before long;although,not sure it will get me,anywhere?! Disappointly diffuse and meandering! :()
Symphony No 5 (I'm not convinced that superior sound quality would persuade me?! (Albeit,being able to hear that organ in Chandos style sound quality,might help a little bit.....maybe?! :-\ :()
That said,I would still welcome brand new recording's of the complete set! But certainly,the first two. And I think No3,would be worth it,despite my mixed feelings!!
Having a CD sort out I came across an old Lyrita CD with David Morgan's Violin Concerto which I remembered liking on LP. The CD is coupled with Fricker's Violin Concerto which I never remember hearing before - but that will be rectified soon.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 17, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
I like Symphony 2 - it has a terrific, very exciting, final section:
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This CD is now prohibitively expensive but all three works are excellent. The craggy Orr Symphony was a great discovery for me, reminding me of the music of Havergal Brian and Carlos Chavez. The Simpson is my favourite of his cycle too.
My copy has been dispatched, due to arrive in 3-4 weeks. Hopefully I'll get what I ordered - not always the case ???.
Right now I'm on my second listening of disc one of the symphonies 1-4 set. Definitely music that demands patience and rewards it. I am reminded of the fastidiousness, refusal of effects and economy of means displayed by Fricker's contemporaries like Simpson, Jones, Hoddinott, Mathias. So far I find his music quite approachable, certainly more so than Humphrey Searle's, which still refuses to open up for me. There is nothing jolly or conventionally 'melodious' (like Arnold or Arnell, for example). I wouldn't say the music is acerbic, but assertive and gritty certainly apply IMO. I agree that the first symphony is a powerful work, with an especially eloquent and gripping slow movement.
I love the 3 movement structure for a symphony, it announces a desire by the composer to present complex material in a clear-headed, concise way. Such is the case with Fricker's second symphony. French composer Henri Sauguet composed 4 symphonies, adopting that 3 movement cast for his last 2 (composed in 1955 and 1971), his musical language becoming more pithy, spiky, sometimes enigmatic. I find a parallel with Fricker's 2nd. Also with Sibelius 4 and 5 (the second movement).
Next in line will be symphonies 3 and 4. By that time I should have reçeived the EMI disc with the Fricker/Orr/Simpson works. Which should tail in neatly with my next project, listening to the 11 symphonies of Robert Simpson. I haven't heard them since I purchased the series upon their release.
Eloquently put,and concise,with an economy,worthy of Fricker! I wish I could post like that?!! I really am going to have to hear the symphonies of Henri Sauguet,aren't I? I know they have quite a few admirer's here. And no too many to collect! It's funny,but Fricker's music isn't the sort of music that usually appeals to me. For all it's (maybe,on first encounter?) apparent dour,griitty,acerbic demeanour;I find allot of variety,even colour,that I don't find in some of his contemporaries.
I have recently begun to find myself ,increasingly,drawn to the symphonies of Robert Simpson. I remember,quite some years ago,how initial enthusiasm,seemed to,quickly,dwindle way. Now,years later,I am finally collecting the rest of the cycle. No's 6 & 7,remaining,frustratingly,out of my reach at present,due to the high prices asked by sellers. As soon as I see a copy at a reasonable price I will,most certainly,snap it up. I would say more,but tea beckons!! ::) ;D
Quote from: cilgwyn on October 09, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Eloquently put,and concise,with an economy,worthy of Fricker! I wish I could post like that?!! I really am going to have to hear the symphonies of Henri Sauguet,aren't I? I know they have quite a few admirer's here. And no too many to collect! It's funny,but Fricker's music isn't the sort of music that usually appeals to me. For all it's (maybe,on first encounter?) apparent dour,griitty,acerbic demeanour;I find allot of variety,even colour,that I don't find in some of his contemporaries.
I have recently begun to find myself ,increasingly,drawn to the symphonies of Robert Simpson. I remember,quite some years ago,how initial enthusiasm,seemed to,quickly,dwindle way. Now,years later,I am finally collecting the rest of the cycle. No's 6 & 7,remaining,frustratingly,out of my reach at present,due to the high prices asked by sellers. As soon as I see a copy at a reasonable price I will,most certainly,snap it up. I would say more,but tea beckons!! ::) ;D
Sauguet's 'Expiatoire' Symphony is a particular favourite although all four are worthwhile.
I'll have another look at the Sauguet,thread. I like André'S analysis of the Fricker symphonies. Much better than mine!! :( ;D And the third symphony as "controlled vehemence"?! ??? :) I'm stll undecided about the third. I think it's a powerful symphony. I'm just not sure I like it as much as the first two. And they feel more tight knit (I wish I could think of a better term;but there are painters here & everyone can see through the front window. It's like being on Big Bro'!!
I'm going to need another listen to No 3. I've got Cosi fan tutte on,at the moment!! ??? ;D
I listened to No 3 again,last night. With an arresting opening,and I can hear why the Radio 3 broadcast,of it,back in the mid 90's,grabbed my attention. I didn't know any Fricker,then. Although,did have an old RCA Lp of his First Symphony,which didn't do much for me at the time. Maybe,it was the transfer? Maybe,I had other things on my mind? Maybe,I was too stupid?!! ::) ;D Anyway,that was then!! Back to the third! I rather enjoyed listening to this symphony. There are some good ideas there;and,as,with the first two,I like his slow movement. It does feel diffuse after the first two,though. I like that pounding motif,though;and the feeling of "controlled vehemence"(referred to in the booklet,incidentally!)! I do think this is the sort of work that would benefit from a really first class,state of the art,recording. Come on,Chandos,Bis!! I think I'll have another listen,later? I still prefer it to some other,overrated,works that shall remain nameless (well here,anyway! ;D) and some underrated works,that some people here,rate too highly (again,these shall pass nameless,here. It's too soon after breakfast,anyway!! They said,go to work on an egg..........not,eggs!! ::) ;D).
I'm listening to the third again,now. I've got to admit,I think I do rather like this symphony and find it strangely gripping. This Musicweb review (link below) refers to Barry Wordsworth's performance (which is the one I would have heard and recorded,via Radio 3,in the mid 90's) as "even more dynamic",and reinforcing his opinion that "No 3 is the high point of the cycle". I think he was probably right? (about it being "more dynamic"). I had an off air cassette,in very good sound,for one of my home recordings (Itter should have seen my equipment! ??? :o ::)). I must have a look and see if the Art Music Forum have an upload of that performance. I think they do? (I may have even made a cd-r,of it,and listened to it?!! ::) ;D)
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2017/Oct/Fricker_sys_REAM2136.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2017/Oct/Fricker_sys_REAM2136.htm)
Quote from: Dundonnell on February 22, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
(For notes please see the introduction to the William Wordsworth Catalogue)
PETER RACINE FRICKER: A CATALOGUE OF THE ORCHESTRAL AND CHORAL MUSIC
1946: Adagio
1946-47: Symphonietta
Suite for School Orchestra
1948: Rondo Scherzoso: 18 minutes
1948-49: Symphony No.1, op.9: 28 minutes + (First Edition LP)
1949: Prelude, Elegy and Finale for String Orchestra, op.10 + (Pye LP)
1949-50: Concerto for Violin and Small Orchestra(Violin Concerto No. 1): 20 minutes + (Lyrita cd)
1950: Concertante for Cor Anglais and String orchestra(Concertante No.1), op.13: 12 minutes
1950-51: Symphony No.2, op.14: 30 minutes + (EMI cd)
1951: Concertante No.2 for Three Pianos, Strings and Timpani, op.15: 14 minutes
Ballet "Canterbury Prologue", op.16
1952-53: Viola Concerto, op.18: 27 minutes
1952-54: Concerto for Piano and Small Orchestra, op.19: 26 minutes
1953-54: Violin Concerto No.2(Rhapsodia Concertante): 22 minutes
1954: Dance Scene, op.22: 11 minutes
1955: Litany for Double String Orchestra, op.26: 16 minutes
Musick's Empire for chorus and small orchestra, op.27
1956: Orchestral Fantasie: 2 minutes
1958: Oratorio "The Vision of Judgment" for tenor, soprano, chorus and orchestra, op.29: 50 minutes
Waltz for Restricted Orchestra
Comedy Overture, op.32: 4 minutes
1959: Cantata 'Colet' for chorus, soloists and orchestra: 13 minutes
Toccata for Piano and Orchestra, op.33: 12 minutes
1960: Symphony No.3, op.36: 31 minutes
1961-62: Cantata for Tenor and Chamber Ensemble, op.37
1963: 'O Longs Desirs'-Five Songs for Soprano and Orchestra, op.39: 21 minutes
1964-66: Symphony No.4, op.43: 34 minutes
1965: Four Songs for High Voice and orchestra, op.42a: 7 minutes
1966: Three Scenes, op.45: 16 minutes
1967: Seven Counterpoints, op.47: 18 minutes
1967: Magnificat for soprano, contralto, tenor, chorus and orchestra, op.50: 23 minutes
1968: Concertante No.4 for Flute, Oboe, Violin and Strings, op.52: 12 minutes
1971: Nocturne for Chamber Orchestra, op.63: 9 minutes (Cheltenham Festival)
1972: Introitus, op.66: 11 minutes
1976: Symphony No.5 for Organ and Orchestra, op.74
1976-77: Sinfonia for Seventeen Wind Instruments (In Memoriam Benjamin Britten), op.76: 11 minutes
1979: Laudi Concertante for Organ and Orchestra, op.80: 32 minutes
1982: Rondeaux for Horn and Orchestra, op.87: 20 minutes (Cheltenham Festival)
1984: Oratorio "Whispers At These Curtains" for baritone, boys' choir, chorus and orchestra, op.88: 50 minutes (Three Choirs' Festival)
1985: Concertino for St.Paul's, op.91: 20 minutes
1986: Concerto for Orchestra, op.93: 18 minutes (Cheltenham Festival)
1987-88: Walk By Quiet Water, op.96: 11 minutes
1989: Piano Concerto No.2, op.97: 26 minutes
With Joyance, op.100: 11 minutes
Plenty for an adventurous recording label to get on with!! ;D
I think I will have another listen to the Fourth Symphony,later. Listening to it in a half painted room,with patches of bare concrete (some of it,damp!) and no blind on one window (it's like being on Big Brother! Except that, if I turn around,I'm looking through their window! ??? :o!!) and boxes of belongings on the floor,does seem to add something to the bleak,desolate,and occasionally angry mood ("Finish the job,you m****!!" >:() of Frickers music.
Thought I'd revive this dormant thread to put in another plug for 'The Vision of Judgment' - IMO one of the great orchestral/choral works of the later 20th Century. I find the final minutes to be very moving - this has more 'popular' appeal than most of Fricker's music. In the absence of cilgwyn (who first alerted me to the qualities of this fine score) I'm not anticipating much traffic on this thread!
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Cilgwyn certainly writes eloquently on the subject, Jeffrey. Absorbing. It must have been hard for the post RVW and his ilk generation, where do they go?
I have not heard "The Vision of Judgement" but after reading your post I would like to. I have read that Fricker's Elegy is also very fine.
On LP Fricker compared with his contemporaries is well represented. Which brings me onto Robert Whitney with his Louisville Orchestra. Although not actually buying any I have come across down the years quite a few issues of late 20c British music by them. I wonder if they are any good, does anyone know?
Quote from: Irons on July 14, 2022, 03:20:36 AM
Cilgwyn certainly writes eloquently on the subject, Jeffrey. Absorbing. It must have been hard for the post RVW and his ilk generation, where do they go?
I have not heard "The Vision of Judgement" but after reading your post I would like to. I have read that Fricker's Elegy is also very fine.
On LP Fricker compared with his contemporaries is well represented. Which brings me onto Robert Whitney with his Louisville Orchestra. Although not actually buying any I have come across down the years quite a few issues of late 20c British music by them. I wonder if they are any good, does anyone know?
Hurrah - a reply! Thank you Lol :)
I discovered Fricker's 1st Symphony on that old RCA LP. These RCA Gold Seal releases were solid rather than great performances I think but they introduced me to some fine works (Martinu and Roy Harris's 5th symphonies as well - on the same LP) I'm sure that you'd enjoy them.
I love The Vision of Judgment! Some incredibly powerful passages in there.
Quote from: vandermolen on July 14, 2022, 03:52:50 AM
Hurrah - a reply! Thank you Lol :)
I discovered Fricker's 1st Symphony on that old RCA LP. These RCA Gold Seal releases were solid rather than great performances I think but they introduced me to some fine works (Martinu and Roy Harris's 5th symphonies as well - on the same LP) I'm sure that you'd enjoy them.
I must admit I've never heard a "great" first edition recording. At best they are ok - not great technical recordings, not great conducting and ok orchestral playing. A classic case of being grateful to hear
any version of the work in question but sometimes you wonder if a sub-standard performance is doing the music a dis-service.....?
Quote from: Maestro267 on July 14, 2022, 07:28:50 AM
I love The Vision of Judgment! Some incredibly powerful passages in there.
I agree! Good to know.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 14, 2022, 08:36:08 AM
I must admit I've never heard a "great" first edition recording. At best they are ok - not great technical recordings, not great conducting and ok orchestral playing. A classic case of being grateful to hear any version of the work in question but sometimes you wonder if a sub-standard performance is doing the music a dis-service.....?
I'm not trying to be clever or anything and you are correct. But I did smile as I have just read your positive post of Korngold's Symphony recording by Kempe which I believe is a first. Also happens to be on my shelves. :)
Quote from: Irons on July 15, 2022, 12:15:39 AM
I'm not trying to be clever or anything and you are correct. But I did smile as I have just read your positive post of Korngold's Symphony recording by Kempe which I believe is a first. Also happens to be on my shelves. :)
The Louisville recordings were specifically called "First Edition" - here's an image of one at random
(https://i.discogs.com/MzGzoBIP9zLH3u_-atsTrqJ7DPXK6XXLMAPO-jl06OE/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:587/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTg3ODM2/ODMtMTYxMjU0NzAz/NC05MjE2LmpwZWc.jpeg)
so I was referring to that specific edition NOT to first recordings in general. There are many many very fine first recordings of which Kempe's Korngold Symphony is a good example [PS: I have not heard the disc from which I've taken this image - perhaps this is the performance that proves me wrong!]
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 15, 2022, 11:12:40 PM
The St. Louis recordings were specifically called "First Edition" - here's an image of one at random
(https://i.discogs.com/MzGzoBIP9zLH3u_-atsTrqJ7DPXK6XXLMAPO-jl06OE/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:587/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTg3ODM2/ODMtMTYxMjU0NzAz/NC05MjE2LmpwZWc.jpeg)
so I was referring to that specific edition NOT to first recordings in general. There are many many very fine first recordings of which Kempe's Korngold Symphony is a good example [PS: I have not heard the disc from which I've taken this image - perhaps this is the performance that proves me wrong!]
Oh I apologise. That is a complete new one on me. The only Louisville recordings I am aware of are the one's released on the RCA Gold Seal label. Anyway, I was about to pull the trigger and now I will not, so thanks for heads up.