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Title: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 08, 2012, 03:06:37 AM
Rob, and everybody else on this forum, isn't it preferable to be able to like posts with a like button?

This is possible on these forum software with this mod:

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3029

You can see which persons likes a post. I think this makes the forum more social and therefor it's wishable. We don't live in the early stages of internet anymore.

Henk
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Dungeon Master on April 08, 2012, 01:30:51 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Henk.

The actual mod you link to is not compatible with the current forum (on version 2.0.2), but I do like the idea.

The forum has a built-in system called Karma (with a Like and Smite option), which is similar, but is used to Like or Smite an individual member, not a post.

It was used vindictively and was removed.

With such a large forum, it would be good to have a system to find posts that others have found valuable. I'll continue to investigate.

cheers
Rob
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: sheffmark on April 08, 2012, 02:16:46 PM

Sounds like a good idea! :)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 08, 2012, 02:57:47 PM
I like the idea too.  If it can be per post and only positive.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 08, 2012, 03:42:37 PM
As long as the karma/smite or like-button option doesn't turn into a popularity issue, some user's average post per day is much higher than others and a newer member or one that doesn't post often shouldnt be made to feel that their post or contribution to the GMG forum is not important.

Not saying that every idea here would do that, just saying I wouldn't want it to head in that direction.

I don't agree with the "like" option of FB because it lessens the interaction with fellow users, instead of actually commenting or offering their opinion on how a certain post affected them, they just click "like", it cheapens the "social" aspect of a social network.

(opens pockets, takes out two pennies)  ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Brian on April 08, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
Allow me to give an 'applaud' to Rob, the benevolent master of our often amoral dungeon. :)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 08, 2012, 06:30:15 PM
I don't agree with the "like" option of FB because it lessens the interaction with fellow users, instead of actually commenting or offering their opinion on how a certain post affected them, they just click "like", it cheapens the "social" aspect of a social network.

I disagree, many times when "like" is used, in it's absence nothing would have been said anyway.  It deepens not cheapens the experience.  Let me explain.  Let's say you smack down Janacek, and Luke retorts with a brilliant defense of the composer.  Nobody else wants to get into it and leaves it alone.  On gmg you would never know that most disagree with you.  On TC the huge # of likes on Luke's posts and only a few on yours would give you feedback you might otherwise not have.

And for a casual reader on news sites such as the WP and CNN, I find sorting comments by #likes extremely beneficial to get to the most interesting comments without having to wade through pages of absolute stupidity.  Not saying that this forum has pages of absolute stupidity.  But what I am saying is that there are interesting, beneficial applications to the like button that we are missing out on.

Another thing that this forum should have that others have is most currently replied to threads on the front page... it is a good indicator of what is hot on the forum.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 01:36:47 AM
You get negative feedback by no likes as well, when you expected to get likes, and you get positive feedback by likes. And you see the persons from whom you get likes, so this gives more "context" to likes since you know the persons. By the likes of a person you get to know these persons better as well, their interests and opinions, their learning etc.

I agree with your other point. When you want something to comment on, you do this, you don't just put a like then.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 09, 2012, 01:54:29 AM
I am not so sure. Too often, people choose 'likes' for the posters they like (or dislikes for posters they don't like), not for the content of the posts. I find that people sometimes gang up on other posters as well (sometimes deserved, sometimes not, but never desireable). There is something about the anonymity of the internet that sometimes drives people to the most uncivilized behavior.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Opus106 on April 09, 2012, 01:56:21 AM
I disagree, many times when "like" is used, in it's absence nothing would have been said anyway.  It deepens not cheapens the experience.  Let me explain.  Let's say you smack down Janacek, and Luke retorts with a brilliant defense of the composer.  Nobody else wants to get into it and leaves it alone.  On gmg you would never know that most disagree with you.  On TC the huge # of likes on Luke's posts and only a few on yours would give you feedback you might otherwise not have.

Interesting. When this feature was mooted last night by Henk, I thought about Luke's contributions too. :) It's a good idea, but I wish that members wouldn't use it on 'liking' album covers in the WAYLT thread. Sadly I can easily imagine it happening here which would make the feature more FB-esque.

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Another thing that this forum should have that others have is most currently replied to threads on the front page... it is a good indicator of what is hot on the forum.

Something like this (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=recent)? EDIT: I see listing just the threads would occupy less space and allow for easy 'scanning' sans scrolling of the page.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 01:58:12 AM
This suggestion has neither my blessing, nor my curse.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Opus106 on April 09, 2012, 02:00:10 AM
I am not so sure. Too often, people choose 'likes' for the posters they like (or dislikes for posters they don't like), not for the content of the posts. I find that people sometimes gang up on other posters as well (sometimes deserved, sometimes not, but never desireable). There is something about the anonymity of the internet that sometimes drives people to the most uncivilized behavior.

But the crowd here isn't as large or as rowdy as in, say, YouTube. The regulars are just a handful in comparison.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 09, 2012, 02:22:20 AM
But the crowd here isn't as large or as rowdy as in, say, YouTube. The regulars are just a handful in comparison.
The impact would be even worse with a smaller sample size.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 09, 2012, 02:29:51 AM
I don't agree with the "like" option of FB because it lessens the interaction with fellow users, instead of actually commenting or offering their opinion on how a certain post affected them, they just click "like", it cheapens the "social" aspect of a social network.

The impact would be even worse with a smaller sample size.

If we already had a like button, I would be "liking" these posts. I'm against adding the option.

Sarge
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 09, 2012, 02:43:21 AM
Something like this (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=recent)? EDIT: I see listing just the threads would occupy less space and allow for easy 'scanning' sans scrolling of the page.

Yeah check this out-- week's hot topics on http://www.mobileread.com/ (http://www.mobileread.com/), very good for quickly catching up on the interesting threads.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Opus106 on April 09, 2012, 02:51:44 AM
Yeah check this out-- week's hot topics on http://www.mobileread.com/ (http://www.mobileread.com/), very good for quickly catching up on the interesting threads.

But that's what 'Show unread posts since last visit' does, no? (Except that it won't show the post you may have just made.) That's what I use regularly.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 09, 2012, 03:02:15 AM
But that's what 'Show unread posts since last visit' does, no? (Except that it won't show the post you may have just made.) That's what I use regularly.

No, it shows all unread posts.  I'm talking about showing what threads have the most posts and reads in the last week.  You could have 40 unread threads but only 5 of which are what gets everyone excited.  This is different, it adds something new to the experience.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 04:35:53 AM
A like button should not enhance cynism and other negativism, a like button should enhance positivism.

The people who are afraid for the first to happen, have little confidence in people in general and in posters on this board particulary. And they don´t give a chance for the second to happen.

Not unwanted behaviour should be a central issue, focus should be on communication and learning. And that´s what the like button, besides fun, is meant for, not for the first to be used for, then it´s simply abused.

Or in other words, you should give positive things a chance, even if negative things can happen and can cause annoyance. Give more attention to the positive things and make them possible, the negative things will vanish, positivism will increase.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 04:49:59 AM
If we already had a like button, I would be "liking" these posts. I'm against adding the option.

Sarge

This is strange. What was wrong with your likes? They weren't cynistic, you only show you agree with what has been said.

So this only speak in favour of a like button, you're not against I think.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 09, 2012, 05:00:11 AM
This is strange. What was wrong with your likes? They weren't cynistic, you only show you agree with what has been said.

So this only speak in favour of a like button, you're not against I think.

I'm opposed in general to dumbing down. If you like a post, take a few seconds and reply with a post. People are just getting too lazy. We shouldn't encourage that.

Sarge
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 05:03:37 AM
I'm opposed in general to dumbing down. If you like a post, take a few seconds and reply with a post. People are just getting too lazy. We shouldn't encourage that.

Sarge

In a nutshell, there it is; thanks, Sarge!

I don't mind that the feature is there in Facebook (I use it all the time, myself, and some of the time, it is a matter of ease/laziness).  I don't see any need to make GMG "conform" to that model; and indeed, I agree with the idea that in this environment, mo' better posting should be encouraged.

We many of us like Gurn's stellar work in the Haydn Haus, yet we've none of us suffered for lack of a "Like" button.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 05:07:58 AM
I'm opposed in general to dumbing down. If you like a post, take a few seconds and reply with a post. People are just getting too lazy. We shouldn't encourage that.

Sarge

When you have not much to say, you can say I agree, or I like this, people don't reply like this. Therefor a like button. A like button has a different function than to reply with text. It compensates for the missing opportunities people have in a real meeting conversation and focuses on positive feedback. While it´s different as well and it´s own advantages compared to a real meeting conversation.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Leon on April 09, 2012, 05:09:02 AM
I'm opposed in general to dumbing down. If you like a post, take a few seconds and reply with a post. People are just getting too lazy. We shouldn't encourage that.

Sarge

I like this post.   :D    But, I would not mind a "thumbs down" button for some threads.

 :)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 09, 2012, 05:10:44 AM
I would like a "Meh" button.

Make it so.

Thank you.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 05:21:46 AM
In a nutshell, there it is; thanks, Sarge!

I don't mind that the feature is there in Facebook (I use it all the time, myself, and some of the time, it is a matter of ease/laziness).  I don't see any need to make GMG "conform" to that model; and indeed, I agree with the idea that in this environment, mo' better posting should be encouraged.

We many of us like Gurn's stellar work in the Haydn Haus, yet we've none of us suffered for lack of a "Like" button.


Karl, you only say this because you like to reply with jokes or funny sentences. That's not what everybody wants or likes to do. But we want to show our reaction or appreciation to a post when we like it and when we want to give the poster credits for his post.

A reply focuses often on the one who replies, a like focuses on the poster. It's different.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 05:24:15 AM
It´s not about a competition who gets the most likes. It´s about positive and negative feedback from individuals to indviduals.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 09, 2012, 05:26:08 AM
GMG already has a "like" button, it's called "reply", then you spent a little time saying what you like (or dislike) about the post. It promotes user interaction. Keep it simple.

I imagine GMG is a coffee shop or diner where many of us are relaxing, enjoying music, books, movies, etc...if someone sitting across from me says,
"I really, really enjoy the 3rd string quartet from Benjamin Britten."
[silence]
[thumbs up]-me
[still silence]


Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 09, 2012, 05:28:49 AM
Yes, let's not turn this into Facebook. I blew up my Facebook account for a reason.  ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 09, 2012, 05:29:24 AM
Karl, you only say this because you like to reply with jokes or funny sentences. That's not what everybody wants or likes to do. But we want to show our reaction or appreciation to a post when we like it and when we want to give the poster credits for his post.

A reply focuses on the one who replies, a like focuses on the poster. It's different.

What if a poster never gets any "likes", that may be viewed as not being as important as other heavily "liked" posters.

And did Karl make another funny?  ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 09, 2012, 05:30:02 AM
Karl, always making with the funny.  >:(


 ;)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 05:34:36 AM
What if a poster never gets any "likes", that may be viewed as not being as important as other heavily "liked" posters.

And did Karl make another funny?  ;D

Some people are just more liked by a larger group of people than others (I try to avoid the word "popular" because it's always a bit negative, and I don't mean this negative at all, but just to say how things are). This should not regarded as problematic. People are just different.

And you don't show you like a person by a like button, but what the person says in his post, you like the post by the particular poster. That's not to show love for the poster, for his being, but for what he says at the present time (feedback), and in that sense can also mean a sign of affection.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 09, 2012, 05:39:06 AM
Here's a question: Has anyone had experience with this function at a different forum (and not places like facbook, youtube, etc.)? What was the experience?
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 05:46:50 AM
Here's a question: Has anyone had experience with this function at a different forum (and not places like facbook, youtube, etc.)? What was the experience?

I think Facebook and this forum are comparable. I don't see why it has different ways of usage. On Facebook it works well.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 09, 2012, 05:49:07 AM
I think Facebook and this forum are comparable. I don't see why it has different ways of usage. On Facebook it works well.

No. Facebook has walls where you post crap about yourself. Forums have topics where you have actual discussions.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 05:49:15 AM
Karl, you only say this because you like to reply with jokes or funny sentences.

I don't see either what I have just posted was a "joke or funny sentence"; nor how what I have posted relates to this causative relation you suggest.

And thus: I do not see how your reply here is any refutation of the material of my post.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 05:59:57 AM
I don't see either what I have just posted was a "joke or funny sentence"; nor how what I have posted relates to this causative relation you suggest.

And thus: I do not see how your reply here is any refutation of the material of my post.


No offence was intended, I only suspect you tried to popularize yourself a bit, am I allowed to show a bit of critics?

I don´t see why you didn´t understand my post.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 06:01:58 AM
No offence was intended. I don´t see why you don´t understand my post.

I did not take any offense. I understand your post perfectly well;  I find it at turns poorly reasoned, and irrelevant.  That said, you're of the opinion that there should be a Like button, and you are entitled to the opinion.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Opus106 on April 09, 2012, 06:04:27 AM
What I like about the use of a 'Like' button or whatever one might want to call it, is its ability to highlight especially interesting or insightful posts, to aggregate those contributions which many members find useful. Giving them an endless amount of likes will not serve this purpose well, in my opinion. Therefore, what I would like to see is something like a quota system: let's say 3 'likes' per week per member (the number can be changed as and when the frequency of insightful posts increase or decrease ;) and other parameters). It would force members to think carefully before clicking on the button (or at least that's the hope). Those posts with a significant amount of likes can then be archived in a special section which can be referenced later. This won't necessarily deter anyone from typing a note of appreciation to those posts; but it can collect together some of the best information that GMG offers.

Of course, all this depends on the availability of a modified mod capable of performing these actions.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 06:05:34 AM
I'm certainly finding the turns of interest, which the discussion is taking.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 06:05:48 AM
I did not take any offense. I understand your post perfectly well;  I find it at turns poorly reasoned, and irrelevant.  That said, you're of the opinion that there should be a Like button, and you are entitled to the opinion.

Yes, do I show weakness by just keep on defending my point if others oppose to it??

I have the impression that if one person says something and others oppose to it, he won't get right just because he has many offenders. Even if there are other persons who defend the point he will lose, just because he tries to defend his point in many ways in many posts.

And others who agree aren't heared in that process. You get the impression on the other hand that the offenders get more applause, they give it themselves.

It's bizar to me.

BTW I don't just defend my point, I just make arguments in favour. Other ones make the impression I try to defend myself by attacking it.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 06:16:13 AM
What I like about the use of a 'Like' button or whatever one might want to call it, is its ability to highlight especially interesting or insightful posts, to aggregate those contributions which many members find useful. Giving them an endless amount of likes will not serve this purpose well, in my opinion. Therefore, what I would like to see is something like a quota system: let's say 3 'likes' per week per member (the number can be changed as and when the frequency of insightful posts increase or decrease ;) and other parameters). It would force members to think carefully before clicking on the button (or at least that's the hope). Those posts with a significant amount of likes can then be archived in a special section which can be referenced later. This won't necessarily deter anyone from typing a note of appreciation to those posts; but it can collect together some of the best information that GMG offers.

Of course, all this depends on the availability of a modified mod capable of performing these actions.

I think I will be already selective with my likes. When you like something really, you use the like button, it works as a reference, if you like something less, you probably won't use the like button.

I just missed the like button in some cases up to now. I don´t miss it very often. But it is really missing to me, since we are used to the like button on Facebook and the advantages it offers, which is more modern and social. It makes this internet community somewhat old-fashioned to me.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 09, 2012, 06:20:01 AM
I think I will be already selective with my likes. When you like something really, you use the like button, it works as a reference, if you like something less, you probably won't use the like button.

I just missed the like button in some cases up to now. I don´t miss it very often. But it is really missing to me, since we are used to the like button on Facebook, which is more modern. It makes this internet community somewhat old-fashioned to me.

This is a big reason why I frequent GMG.  :)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 09, 2012, 06:20:32 AM
But it is really missing to me, since we are used to the like button on Facebook, which is more modern. It makes this internet community somewhat old-fashioned to me.

So go post on Facebook. GMG is not Facebook.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 06:22:49 AM
So go post on Facebook. GMG is not Facebook.

GMG can also make use of the idea of the like button and make advantage of it. I just don't get the emotional ways of attacking the idea.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 06:27:49 AM
I don't want to spoil more energy about this, so I stop posting now about this.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 09, 2012, 06:32:44 AM
GMG can also make use of the idea of the like button and make advantage of it. I just don't get the emotional ways of attacking the idea.
It does seem to be a hot-button item. :)

Thing is, I suspect we would see a bit of a generational gap in the positions. Or perhaps the other thing. :)  ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 06:35:07 AM
I just don't get the emotional ways of attacking the idea.

I don't see that either of the following objections to the idea is in the least emotional:

I'm opposed in general to dumbing down. If you like a post, take a few seconds and reply with a post. People are just getting too lazy. We shouldn't encourage that.

Sarge

In a nutshell, there it is; thanks, Sarge!

I don't mind that the feature is there in Facebook (I use it all the time, myself, and some of the time, it is a matter of ease/laziness).  I don't see any need to make GMG "conform" to that model; and indeed, I agree with the idea that in this environment, mo' better posting should be encouraged.

We many of us like Gurn's stellar work in the Haydn Haus, yet we've none of us suffered for lack of a "Like" button.

Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 06:36:46 AM
I did not take any offense. I understand your post perfectly well;  I find it at turns poorly reasoned, and irrelevant.  That said, you're of the opinion that there should be a Like button, and you are entitled to the opinion.

Last post.

Karl, you agreed to Sarge, that's what I reacted to.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 06:38:27 AM
Last post.

Karl, you agreed to Sarge, that's what I reacted to.

Thank you for conceding that you were not reacting to emotional objections to your idea.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 09, 2012, 07:13:16 AM
Here's a question: Has anyone had experience with this function at a different forum (and not places like facbook, youtube, etc.)? What was the experience?

Yeah on Talk Classical they have it, it works well with no complaint.  And it is fun to see new likes when you log in.  Some posters over use it, some not at all, some reservedly.  It adds to the forum but it has never stopped the insane quantity of posts that you find on that forum.  If anything I think the positive feedback encourages more posts which is one of the reasons why there is so much going on over there.  Those that don't like the system just completely ignore it and it doesn't seem to bother them.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 09, 2012, 07:18:41 AM
Therefore, what I would like to see is something like a quota system: let's say 3 'likes' per week per member (the number can be changed as and when the frequency of insightful posts increase or decrease ;) and other parameters). It would force members to think carefully before clicking on the button (or at least that's the hope).

That is a good idea.  I like the slashdot way of doing it: you have to earn karma to be able to dish it out yourself, and then only on threads that you haven't contributed to.  A very elegant system that was around before everybody was even on facebook, and still more sophisticated and effective than fb has ever managed!

And of course their style of hiding posts with negative karma has a good self policing way of punishing trolls without requiring moderators.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Marc on April 09, 2012, 08:22:30 AM
I think I will be already selective with my likes. When you like something really, you use the like button, it works as a reference, if you like something less, you probably won't use the like button.

I just missed the like button in some cases up to now. I don´t miss it very often. But it is really missing to me, since we are used to the like button on Facebook and the advantages it offers, which is more modern and social. It makes this internet community somewhat old-fashioned to me.

This is a big reason why I frequent GMG.  :)

Say no more.
And Henk, really no offense meant, but, as I've mentioned somewhere on this forum before, it's just that I've chosen to become a member of a few classical music boards, of which GMG has been my fav so far, and I don't need all these add-ons taken from all those overly hyped, shallow and very privacy-unfriendly 'Social' Networks, which I have avoided so far without getting depressed or feeling desolate and lonely.

Yes, now you may call me old-fashioned .... and I will be proud of it. ;)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: sheffmark on April 09, 2012, 08:30:39 AM

So has anything been decided yet?
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 09, 2012, 08:33:50 AM
So has anything been decided yet?

Yup on the first page! :D  The current forum software is not compatible with the feature.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: sheffmark on April 09, 2012, 08:37:04 AM

Sorry!!! ;D
I must have missed that amongst all the discussion!! ;D
Thanks for that!! ;)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 09, 2012, 08:38:18 AM
LIKE
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Bulldog on April 09, 2012, 08:38:40 AM
So has anything been decided yet?

No, but I hope the suggested button notion is scratched.  I think it sounds like a waste of time.  Put another way, if it ain't broken, don't fix it.  Also, some of you seem overly concerned with "feedback" - this isn't a social networking site.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Dungeon Master on April 09, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
This forum gets on average over 300 posts per day. It currently has over half a million posts. Thats a LOT of content.

I am in favour of instituting a system where some posts/threads can rise above the others to separate wheat from chaff. Men from boys. Content from background noise. I do think a Like button would add to that.

However, I would have a few prerequisites for me to institute it: the Like button is for a Post, not a person. There should be no way to tally Likes received by any particular member. It should not interfere with the layout of the forum. It should not interfere with the backend running of the forum and database.

At the moment, there is no compatible mod to do this for this version of the software, and I don't have the time to write it myself. So GMG is not getting a Like button any time soon.

As for hot topics, I also like the idea of a short list of topics with the most replies in the last 24 hours. It would be listed on the front page, similar to how we currently have "Recent Posts" listed. But again, there is no mod available to do this, and I am not in the mood to write a database query protocol myself. So again, no change is planned.

If you access the forum stats page (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=stats), there is a section listing the most the most popular topics by Post, Replies, Views etc, but it is for the entire forum for all time, not past 24 hours.

I do encourage discussion of these ideas, and hope all members welcome the same.

cheers
Rob
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Elgarian on April 09, 2012, 12:10:55 PM
Until a few months ago I was a frequent poster at Talk Classical and had been for quite a long time. I felt uncomfortable with the 'like' facility. I accepted it and sometimes even used it - it was part of the fabric of the place - but I was always suspicious of the potential psychological impact: both the quasi-euphoria of writing posts that drew a lot of likes, and the inevitable though foolish disappointment of writing posts that drew none.

It's too easy to hit the 'like' button. It takes more time, more consideration, to frame a written response (even if it's only 'well said, that man'). However, I don't think it's a matter that can be resolved by argument; rather, it's about what one feels comfortable with, or can become comfortable with.

It's not a particularly big deal either way, but if it came to votes, I'm with Sarge.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Szykneij on April 09, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
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Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 09, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
:D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Szykneij on April 09, 2012, 03:04:38 PM
:D

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Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: eyeresist on April 09, 2012, 04:55:38 PM
I have occasionally wished for the 'Like' button option after reading a good post, but to be honest the only benefit it offers is the sense of satisfaction from clicking a button.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 09, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
Welcome to the new GMG!

...


Hahaha. :)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Elgarian on April 09, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Welcome to the new GMG!

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Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: knight66 on April 10, 2012, 05:42:10 AM
As I write mainly in vocal threads, I often feel my efforts are ignored. I don't think I want outright confirmation of that if a 'like' button was to be added. I prefer to imagine that perhaps the material is being read and enjoyed but just not provoking any feedback.

Mike
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2012, 05:44:38 AM
Your imagination does not there mislead you. Just saying.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: knight66 on April 10, 2012, 05:47:16 AM
Thank you Karl. There is lots I read and enjoy, but If I don't think I have anything even mildly interesting to add, I stay silent and the writer never then knows how much I appreciate their efforts.

Mike
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on April 10, 2012, 06:25:15 AM
As I write mainly in vocal threads, I often feel my efforts are ignored. I don't think I want outright confirmation of that if a 'like' button was to be added. I prefer to imagine that perhaps the material is being read and enjoyed but just not provoking any feedback.

Mike

There's a vocal room!? ;D *ducks!*
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 10, 2012, 11:36:15 AM
As I write mainly in vocal threads, I often feel my efforts are ignored. I don't think I want outright confirmation of that if a 'like' button was to be added. I prefer to imagine that perhaps the material is being read and enjoyed but just not provoking any feedback.

Mike

Who are you again?  ???
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: knight66 on April 10, 2012, 11:57:36 AM
Who let you outarashed?

Mike
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 10, 2012, 12:04:52 PM
As I write mainly in vocal threads, I often feel my efforts are ignored. I don't think I want outright confirmation of that if a 'like' button was to be added. I prefer to imagine that perhaps the material is being read and enjoyed but just not provoking any feedback.

Mike
I wish there were more people who particiapted in those threads too. But please know I value your contributions (and everyone else who posts there).
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Ataraxia on April 10, 2012, 12:09:13 PM
Who let you outarashed?

Mike

 ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: knight66 on April 11, 2012, 02:33:50 AM
I wish there were more people who particiapted in those threads too. But please know I value your contributions (and everyone else who posts there).

Thanks for that.

Mike
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 12, 2012, 08:59:44 AM
If the software does ever allow a Like button (for posts, not members), we need an additional, specialized button: This Post Is Hazardous to Your Budget.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: eyeresist on April 12, 2012, 05:40:22 PM
If the software does ever allow a Like button (for posts, not members), we need an additional, specialized button: This Post Is Hazardous to Your Budget.

The button would look like a dollar sign.   ( $ )
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 13, 2012, 01:40:51 AM
With a wolf's-head, ravening jaw open, ready to snap onto it.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Mirror Image on April 13, 2012, 06:48:16 AM
I used the like button on Facebook but I honestly don't want here because GMG isn't Facebook. I'm not really down with all of these advancements on this forum concerning social media. The last addition I enjoyed from this forum was the ASIN function from Amazon. I think it's one of GMG's most useful tools.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Henk on April 14, 2012, 04:27:14 AM
I underestimated the community character of this forum. I didn't consider that. A like button doesn't support this, on the contrary, rather destroys it.

However we want to keep valuable posts. I think it would be better, if somebody wants to say something, something essayistic, let him/her write an article. It can be posted on the front of the website.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: eyeresist on April 15, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
The last addition I enjoyed from this forum was the ASIN function from Amazon. I think it's one of GMG's most useful tools.

It also provides the opportunity to support the forum! :D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Gold Knight on May 08, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
 Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 09, 2012, 06:00:11 AM (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=20318.msg618789#msg618789)
I'm opposed in general to dumbing down. If you like a post, take a few seconds and reply with a post. People are just getting too lazy. We shouldn't encourage that.

Sarge

I weigh in with Henk on this: to Sarge and others who are "anti like", I would point out that the two--posting a comment and tallying a "like" on a particular post--do not have to be mutually exclusive or self-cancelling. I, as well as many of my fellow Talk Classical members, have been known to frequently utilize both options. It is not a zero sum game, and involves no "dumbing down" or emotion.

@ Henk, Don't bail on me now, buddy, Please!  :o
 
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on May 09, 2012, 12:16:14 AM
I am not against this like option, it has more positive sides as negative ones.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DieNacht on May 09, 2012, 01:33:05 AM
The postings found at TC have often become increasingly poor recently & I suspect it has partly to do with the introduction of the "likes" there; they promote short statements, digression from subjects and even schoolyard cliques, among other things.


Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 09, 2012, 01:49:53 AM
No schoolyard cliques! Just the (alleged) "Henning Mob" ; )
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DieNacht on May 09, 2012, 01:57:11 AM
Well I guess I might sound a bit too serious, but a lot of the TC stuff has been regrettable recently and many seniors are taking a break, it seems.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on May 09, 2012, 02:56:05 AM
Well I guess I might sound a bit too serious, but a lot of the TC stuff has been regrettable recently and many seniors are taking a break, it seems.

It does not mean that it will happen automatically also on GMG! We could at least try the gadget, and if such a thing would occur, I have no problems that it will be removed again.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on May 09, 2012, 02:59:00 AM
Well I guess I might sound a bit too serious, but a lot of the TC stuff has been regrettable recently and many seniors are taking a break, it seems.

Oh so that's why there has been a surge in TC posters coming over here.  I was wondering why the exodus...
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 09, 2012, 02:59:18 AM
Well I guess I might sound a bit too serious, but a lot of the TC stuff has been regrettable recently and many seniors are taking a break, it seems.

Oh, I took your caution viz. TC seriously.

Quite parenthetically, it made me smile, rememberung that once I was 'accused' of 'heading a mob'.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Philoctetes on May 09, 2012, 07:40:23 AM
It does not mean that it will happen automatically also on GMG! We could at least try the gadget, and if such a thing would occur, I have no problems that it will be removed again.

I think there are two main problems with this sort of thing. First, a lot of folks takes things personally. Second, and stemming from that, once the damage has been done, it's quite difficult, if not impossible, to undo the damange that was wrought.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Mirror Image on May 09, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
I'm against the like button just like I'm against all of this social networking that's now linked to this forum.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 09, 2012, 08:18:04 AM
What's next? A four square type function that will announce to all GmG users where you are at that moment and what you're eating for lunch?
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 09, 2012, 08:26:35 AM
. . . and what you're eating for lunch?

Well, we've got this thread here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,88.0.html).
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Sammy on May 09, 2012, 08:31:09 AM
And I thought that this like-button nonsense had already been put to rest.  It's bush-league, lazy, and denotes a school-yard mentality.

Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Opus106 on May 09, 2012, 08:37:39 AM
What's next? A four square type function that will announce to all GmG users where you are at that moment and what you're eating for lunch?

Well, we've got this thread here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,88.0.html).

;D

If you think about it, the WAYLT, the 'Purchases Today' thread (which also doubles as the "Landed Today" thread for some), 'Last Movie You Watched' and a few others are, most of the time, no better than an average Twitter feed. Of course, the topics involved are restricted; yet sometimes there aren't even any characters, just an image. :(
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on May 09, 2012, 08:40:19 AM
We should have a minimum word count on posts... that would fix that problem.  Oh wait, is this long enough? ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 09, 2012, 08:41:50 AM
And I thought that this like-button nonsense had already been put to rest.  It's bush-league, lazy, and denotes a school-yard mentality.

I like this post. :)

8)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Leon on May 09, 2012, 08:49:42 AM
And I thought that this like-button nonsense had already been put to rest.  It's bush-league, lazy, and denotes a school-yard mentality.

+2

 :D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Sammy on May 09, 2012, 08:52:15 AM
I like this post. :)

8)

And I endorse your post. ;D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Brewski on May 09, 2012, 08:57:07 AM
I like this post. :)

8)

I do, too. And (speaking as someone "pro-social media") I think the less GMG resembles other sites (e.g., Facebook), the better. And it's good to encourage people to post, and actually say something, rather than just click.

--Bruce
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: chasmaniac on May 09, 2012, 08:57:26 AM
We should have a minimum word count on posts... that would fix that problem.  Oh wait, is this long enough? ;D

+1
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 09, 2012, 08:59:19 AM
Well, we've got this thread here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,88.0.html).


Oh, maybe I knew that.
Guess I should head over there and talk about my blackened tilapia Caesar salad I had for lunch.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 09, 2012, 09:00:18 AM
Get out, and never blacken my tilapia again!
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Opus106 on May 09, 2012, 09:08:59 AM
A suggestion: Turn GMG into a text-based mailing list. >:D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 09, 2012, 09:11:23 AM
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Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on May 09, 2012, 10:09:49 AM
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train!! ;D
Title: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 09, 2012, 12:02:21 PM
Get out, and never blacken my tilapia again!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/a6890bcd-db49-c8ef.jpg)

Yes, Chef! Sorry, Chef!
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: eyeresist on May 09, 2012, 05:47:16 PM
Oh so that's why there has been a surge in TC posters coming over here.  I was wondering why the exodus...

A plague of Like buttons upon your house!


As I said before, the only practical benefit would be the reward-feeling from clicking the button. Go to Faceboook for all your meaningless button-clicking needs :)
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 09, 2012, 05:54:32 PM

As I said before, the only practical benefit would be the reward-feeling from clicking the button. Go to Faceboook for all your meaningless button-clicking needs :)


Yeah, that and to brag about what you had for lunch.  >:D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: eyeresist on May 09, 2012, 06:07:52 PM
Time for lunch 

+1

+1

+1

+1

I Liked this lunch!

+1

+1

+1

+1

...
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: eyeresist on May 09, 2012, 09:20:17 PM
You could be fired for 'liking' a Facebook page (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/you-could-be-fired-for-liking-a-facebook-page-20120509-1ybvp.html)

Quote
Sheriff B.J. Roberts of Hampton, Virginia, fired six of his staff members for liking the Facebook page of his running opponent in the 2009 election.

He said that their actions had "hindered the harmony and efficiency of the office".

The staff members sued, claiming that their First Amendment rights had been violated.

However, Judge Raymond A. Jackson of the Federal District Court said in his ruling that clicking the "like" button did not amount to expressive speech.

Essentially, because there was no actual writing or speech involved, the act of clicking a button is not afforded constitutional protection under the ruling.

I suggest that Judge Jackson is an idiot.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on May 10, 2012, 04:12:55 AM

Yeah, that and to brag about what you had for lunch.  >:D

That is this forum dude.  I never see anyone bragging about lunch on fb, yet you dilettantes are always bragging about your gourmet meals on this forum! >:D 
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 10, 2012, 04:14:11 AM
That is this forum dude.  I never see anyone bragging about lunch on fb, yet you dilettantes are always bragging about your gourmet meals on this forum! >:D

Does Chick-fil-a count as gourmet?
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on May 10, 2012, 04:15:02 AM
Does Chick-fil-a count as gourmet?

Well they do have that single pickle they put on a sandwich.  Some may call them cheapskates, some might consider it gourmet... 0:)

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: mc ukrneal on May 10, 2012, 04:35:39 AM
This forum gets on average over 300 posts per day. It currently has over half a million posts. Thats a LOT of content.

I am in favour of instituting a system where some posts/threads can rise above the others to separate wheat from chaff. Men from boys. Content from background noise. I do think a Like button would add to that.

However, I would have a few prerequisites for me to institute it: the Like button is for a Post, not a person. There should be no way to tally Likes received by any particular member. It should not interfere with the layout of the forum. It should not interfere with the backend running of the forum and database.

At the moment, there is no compatible mod to do this for this version of the software, and I don't have the time to write it myself. So GMG is not getting a Like button any time soon.

As for hot topics, I also like the idea of a short list of topics with the most replies in the last 24 hours. It would be listed on the front page, similar to how we currently have "Recent Posts" listed. But again, there is no mod available to do this, and I am not in the mood to write a database query protocol myself. So again, no change is planned.

If you access the forum stats page (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=stats), there is a section listing the most the most popular topics by Post, Replies, Views etc, but it is for the entire forum for all time, not past 24 hours.

I do encourage discussion of these ideas, and hope all members welcome the same.

cheers
Rob
JUst a reminder that there has been an official ruling on the matter...
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Opus106 on May 10, 2012, 04:45:19 AM
JUst a reminder that there has been an official ruling on the matter...

Yes. He encouraged us to discuss the matter, regardless of whether we can get a Like button immediately.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: North Star on May 10, 2012, 04:53:13 AM
The 'pluses' might work with no limiting, if the exact number of pluses/post wouldn't be shown. And number of pluses/likes/whatever alone isn't any good, it has to be linked to the activity of the board/topic, otherwise the vocal section wouldn't show up.
A list on the index page with most liked posts of the week from each forum could be nice - with some kind of storing of at least some of these.
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Szykneij on May 10, 2012, 01:32:46 PM
I think we should eliminate all the annoying reading and writing that goes on here and only allow the posting of pictures of CDs from Amazon followed by a "like" or "hate" button. Make it work the way it does when they put pictures of food in the restaurant menu and all you have to do is point and grunt instead of order with your words. And while we're on the subject, restaurants should start using "yum" and "yuck" buttons, too! That will give us all more time to go on Facebook and post pictures of our pet goldfish.

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What are words for when no one listens anymore
What are words for when no one listens it's no use talkin' at all

Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: Mirror Image on May 11, 2012, 06:36:23 AM
Well they do have that single pickle they put on a sandwich.  Some may call them cheapskates, some might consider it gourmet... 0:)

 :D :D :D

You just get one pickle? I usually get at least three. I would go back to the counter and demand your three pickles next time this happens to you! :D
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 11, 2012, 01:55:43 PM
You just get one pickle? I usually get at least three. I would go back to the counter and demand your three pickles next time this happens to you! :D

Demand the pickles!
Title: Re: A suggestion: Like button
Post by: DavidW on May 11, 2012, 02:18:15 PM
Well that chick filet place was in the Penn State hub.  College location might not have been indicative of the overall quality of the franchise, as in pickle stinginess. ;D