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Title: Timpani
Post by: Mozart on May 20, 2007, 08:09:15 PM
How hard is it to play the timpani? I would love my life if my job was being a timpanist. Almost no one would know what the hell that was! Also what do musicians get paid on average?
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: mahlertitan on May 20, 2007, 09:03:49 PM
How hard is it to play the timpani? I would love my life if my job was being a timpanist. Almost no one would know what the hell that was! Also what do musicians get paid on average?


I would imagine that you need years of training, for it is a far more difficult instrument than the violin, or the piano.

why don't you take an easier instrument, say, the cowbell?
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: 12tone. on May 20, 2007, 10:37:47 PM
Cowbells don't cool your friends the same way an instrument like this does. 



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Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: pjme on May 21, 2007, 12:53:16 AM
How hard is it to play the timpani? I would love my life if my job was being a timpanist. Almost no one would know what the hell that was! Also what do musicians get paid on average?

TAKE THE SCORES OF / ALL Mahler symphonies, Stravinsky's rite of spring, Varèse's Amériques and Arcana, all Beethoven, Brahms and Bruckner symphonies, most Haydn and Mozart symphonies, all orchestral works by Martinu, Honegger, roy Harris, William Schuman,Chostakovitch and Gubaidulina,add a few studies for timpani solo by Elliott Carter, a few percussion concertos , study the difference between baroque timpani, classical and contemporary timpani .....You may need a teacher.
I wish you good luck!!
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Black Knight on May 21, 2007, 04:43:50 AM
Cowbells don't cool your friends the same way an instrument like this does. 



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A plumming flute?
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: greg on May 21, 2007, 05:53:53 AM
TAKE THE SCORES OF / ALL Mahler symphonies, Stravinsky's rite of spring, Varèse's Amériques and Arcana, all Beethoven, Brahms and Bruckner symphonies, most Haydn and Mozart symphonies, all orchestral works by Martinu, Honegger, roy Harris, William Schuman,Chostakovitch and Gubaidulina,add a few studies for timpani solo by Elliott Carter, a few percussion concertos , study the difference between baroque timpani, classical and contemporary timpani .....You may need a teacher.
I wish you good luck!!

but he just wants to play Mozart, so it won't work for him.

now getting him to study the Rite of Spring score, i don't know how that would ever happen....
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: mahlertitan on May 21, 2007, 08:30:36 AM
but he just wants to play Mozart, so it won't work for him.

now getting him to study the Rite of Spring score, i don't know how that would ever happen....
even if it was only for mozart, Timpani is still extremely difficult to play, I'd rather take a string instrument, it's only takes a musical genius to be able to play the timpani well.
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Steve on May 21, 2007, 10:53:34 AM
How hard is it to play the timpani? I would love my life if my job was being a timpanist. Almost no one would know what the hell that was! Also what do musicians get paid on average?

I'd, of course, begin with locating a decent instructor. That's probably going to be difficult, given the Timpani's status as a specialist's instrument. Much great music for this instrument was composed in the late Romantic and what we now refer to as the contemporary period. I'd say a proclivity for the music of these composers is a must.

Now, time for a Stranvinky adventure...  :)
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Mozart on May 21, 2007, 11:35:49 AM
Hehehe I really wouldnt play the timpani, the violin is my instrument. Im going to begin lessons on it in the fall. But really I think the timpani should be one of the easier instruments no? Whats difficult about it?
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: hornteacher on May 21, 2007, 01:28:19 PM
Hehehe I really wouldnt play the timpani, the violin is my instrument. Im going to begin lessons on it in the fall. But really I think the timpani should be one of the easier instruments no? Whats difficult about it?

It's like golf, easy to play, very difficult to master.
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Novi on May 21, 2007, 02:02:14 PM
A great timp player is awesome to watch.
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Maciek on May 21, 2007, 02:57:26 PM

why don't you take an easier instrument, say, the cowbell?

Yes, that can get you far. Just think how famous Blue Öyster Cult is. ;)
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: btpaul674 on May 21, 2007, 08:18:43 PM
As limited training as I have had with the timpani in high school in college as a jazz percussion major for a time, it is a very fun instrument to play and yes very difficult to master. If you have good aural skills in pitch intervals and finding members of chords, the timpani become easier. I wouldn't say it is harder than a violin, piano, etc. but it takes other necessary skills to execute properly. Much like any other instrument, it also depends on the quality of the instrument, its heads, and the mallets, etc. It was my favorite classical instrument to play. I found the marimba far more complicated to master, as there is much more room for error. All fun times.
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: greg on May 22, 2007, 04:45:02 AM
Hehehe I really wouldnt play the timpani, the violin is my instrument. Im going to begin lessons on it in the fall. But really I think the timpani should be one of the easier instruments no? Whats difficult about it?
you'll still have to play something other than Mozart.
HAH!
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: karlhenning on May 22, 2007, 04:48:49 AM
Hehehe I really wouldnt play the timpani, the violin is my instrument.

No, that's true; striking the timpani heads with a violin yields results which are not considered uniformly successful!  ;D
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Cato on May 22, 2007, 05:05:56 AM
Hehehe I really wouldn't play the timpani, the violin is my instrument. Im going to begin lessons on it in the fall. But really I think the timpani should be one of the easier instruments no? What's difficult about it?

Carpal tunnel! 

Depending on the work, you might need Ritalin to pay attention to where the orchestra is for 20 minutes before you play something.

Timpanists don't pass the hat down in the subways!   :-[
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Mozart on May 22, 2007, 08:24:45 AM
you'll still have to play something other than Mozart.
HAH!


Luckily, Im quite fond of beethoven's violin sonatas. So  :P :P :P :P If I become good I can make my own string quartet and play nothing but Mozart  ;D ;D Ahhh
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Mozart on May 22, 2007, 08:27:57 AM
k.498    1786    Vienna     Trio for Piano, Clarinet & Viola       E Flat Major

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Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: karlhenning on May 22, 2007, 08:36:16 AM
You're thinking, arrange it for timpani, clarinet & viola?

Perhaps you're right at that  8)
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Szykneij on May 22, 2007, 11:03:02 AM
No, that's true; striking the timpani heads with a violin yields results which are not considered uniformly successful!  ;D

Ah, but using a viola would be extremely satisfying, at least therapeutically.
 
:o

(Just kidding  ;)  )
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: jochanaan on May 22, 2007, 04:22:19 PM
In addition to my other instruments, I played timpani for a while in college.  Two things were difficult to master: doing a good roll, and keeping the things in tune!  Once you can do that, you can do anything you need to on the timpani--at least, until you try those Bartok things that make you change pitch as you're playing. ;D
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Szykneij on May 22, 2007, 04:25:59 PM
Once you can do that, you can do anything you need to on the timpani--at least, until you try those Bartok things that make you change pitch as you're playing. ;D

Definitely a challenge. I doubt there's a timpanist for any high level orchestra who isn't an accomplished percussionist, trained in all facets of the various percussion instruments. I'm certain they all know their flams and paradiddles. Having a solid musical background to play timpani is just as important as it is for any other instrument.
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Mozart on May 22, 2007, 06:43:40 PM
What about cymbals? Is there anything challenging about that? I mean a monkey statue plays them in the phantom of the opera!
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: mahlertitan on May 22, 2007, 10:29:55 PM
What about cymbals? Is there anything challenging about that? I mean a monkey statue plays them in the phantom of the opera!

cymbals.... it's so difficult to play them well, many chose to play timpani because they can't do cymbals well.
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: hornteacher on May 23, 2007, 02:02:46 AM
What about cymbals? Is there anything challenging about that? I mean a monkey statue plays them in the phantom of the opera!

Try playing the finale to Tchaikovsky 4 and then ask again.  :)
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: JoshLilly on May 23, 2007, 02:34:18 PM
This thread angers Georg Druschetzky. And you don't want to piss him off. I'm putting on his 1790s Concerto for Oboe, Eight Timpani, and Orchestra. And his Concerto for Six Timpani and Orchestra. And also his Partita for Six Timpani and Orchestra. Yeah. Yeah baby, them's real timpani, none of those sissy padded sticks. Timpani and lots of 'em. He had some anger to work out, and if you piss him off dissing his favourite instrument, he'll come back from the dead and go all drumstick on your FACE.

Druschetzky done brung it. What you got, B.? You want to learn about timpani? Check this out:

http://tinyurl.com/3e2h3r
http://tinyurl.com/3crnje
http://tinyurl.com/2jk5lv
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: pjme on May 24, 2007, 09:48:47 AM
Check out John Tafoya's website - always plenty of good information on timpani & percussion.

http://www.johntafoya.com/

Marc Zoutendijk is a Dutch percussionist . The links on his website form a great list of famous percussionist, info on composers & instruments.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcz/percussioninformation/index.html
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Bonehelm on June 11, 2007, 06:28:43 AM
What about cymbals? Is there anything challenging about that? I mean a monkey statue plays them in the phantom of the opera!

Buddy, even triangle requires immense skill. We're talking about an orchestra here.
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: greg on June 12, 2007, 05:42:27 AM
Buddy, even triangle requires immense skill. We're talking about an orchestra here.
i know what you mean...... i took lessons and studied intensely for years, an still I can't hit that stupid metal rod with the triangle bar.

 >:(
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Steve on June 13, 2007, 11:10:58 AM
i know what you mean...... i took lessons and studied intensely for years, an still I can't hit that stupid metal rod with the triangle bar.

 >:(

I could never quite grasp the percussion for the life of me! The strings in my orchestra  ;)(I was one of them, sadly) used to mock the seemingly simple parts for most of our percussionists. My, how wrong we were!)

In addition to the Violin I play now, I've always wanted to try out the Timpani, French Horn, and Oboe.  :)
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: mahlertitan on June 13, 2007, 11:15:54 AM
i know what you mean...... i took lessons and studied intensely for years, an still I can't hit that stupid metal rod with the triangle bar.

 >:(

obviously, you haven't studied it intensely enough!
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: jochanaan on June 14, 2007, 10:17:38 AM
In addition to the Violin I play now, I've always wanted to try out the Timpani, French Horn, and Oboe.  :)
(Off-topic alert!)  One advantage of mastering the oboe is that, if for some reason you have to change instruments, everything else is easy by comparison! :o ;D
Title: Re: Timpani
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 14, 2007, 11:39:15 AM
(Off-topic alert!)  One advantage of mastering the oboe is that, if for some reason you have to change instruments, everything else is easy by comparison! :o ;D

Yeah, those Chopin etudes are a cinch. ;D