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Title: Naxos Music Library
Post by: gmstudio on November 06, 2007, 05:03:22 PM
Anyone here subscribe to the Naxos streaming service?  $20/year to listen to the whole catalog "on demand" seems like quite a bargain. Anyone here sign up for it? Regrets? Issues? Recommendations?   How's the sound quality? Reliability? (Lots of dropouts?) I'm mostly interested in the Marco Polo, BIS, dacapo stuff...

Thanks
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: gmstudio on November 06, 2007, 05:29:08 PM
Be sure to sign up for Naxosmusiclibrary.com (http://Naxosmusiclibrary.com) It has so much more recordings. But, the catch is that you have to pay 25 dollars a month or 225 dollars a year.

Wow...you had me right up to the end there. :)  I wasn't even aware of the Music Library, only the $20/year on the "regular" website...but that looks great!  Just way out of my budget.  :(
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 06, 2007, 05:53:21 PM
Wow...you had me right up to the end there. :)  I wasn't even aware of the Music Library, only the $20/year on the "regular" website...but that looks great!  Just way out of my budget.  :(
Check to see if your school/library/organization of some kind belongs to the NML. Otherwise, go for the naxos.com subscription! I've been a member for maybe three years, and have discovered an extraordinary amount of music that way. The sound quality is below CD standards, but really is not bad or even irritating, except in a couple early-90s piano recordings where the piano has little "clicking" sounds. For free you can sample each track to get an idea for the sound.

Marco Polo, BIS, and Da Capo are there in their entirety; only Marco Polo has electronic booklet notes (I think). The Naxos CDs all do. My favorite thing to do for a long time was to ask friends to "pick a letter" and then find a new composer to discover under that letter; once I went two weeks listening only to composers whose last names start with S. In other words, there's a LOT of stuff on there. It's the best classical website there is (except for NML, obviously). Go for it!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bonehelm on November 06, 2007, 06:20:40 PM
128kbps is nowhere near "CD quality" as they claim. CD quality is 1411kbps.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Renfield on November 06, 2007, 07:00:55 PM
128kbps is nowhere near "CD quality" as they claim. CD quality is 1411kbps uncompressed.

Corrected something, for the sake of pedantry. :-X
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: mahlertitan on November 06, 2007, 07:20:26 PM
Corrected something, for the sake of pedantry. :-X

thank you!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: longears on November 06, 2007, 07:34:01 PM
Corrected something, for the sake of pedantry. :-X
Not pedantry.  Lossless compression would be around 700kbps.  128kbps is nowhere near CD quality--the sound is horrible and in a sane world they wouldn't be allowed to make such blatant lies.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 06, 2007, 07:50:04 PM
the sound is horrible
That's a pretty subjective use of horrible. I find 20 to be mostly acceptable (naxos.com) and 64 (NML) to be quite satisfactory. We just have different standards.  :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Renfield on November 06, 2007, 07:52:00 PM
Not pedantry.  Lossless compression would be around 700kbps.  128kbps is nowhere near CD quality--the sound is horrible and in a sane world they wouldn't be allowed to make such blatant lies.

Of course. But taken literally, CDs are indeed encoded at 1411kbps: the "uncompressed" note was to allow for the existence of CD-quality lossless archives, which is in line with what is the case. ;)

Otherwise, I concur: 128kbps for classical music is mostly horrible, while even 312kbps does not compare to real CD quality, in my opinion. :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: max on November 06, 2007, 08:59:44 PM
If you can get 128kbs for $20/yr, it would at least be a cheap way of trying before buying. I went with a number of Naxos recordings - also others of course - but here exists an opportunity to limit errors.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mark on November 06, 2007, 09:59:01 PM
I subscribe. Have done for three years. Just the basic, low bitrate service. Very useful. I check things out in full there, then download from eMusic if I like what I hear. If I subsequent love the download, I buy the CD. It's very cost-effective. :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Renfield on November 06, 2007, 10:20:17 PM
Quote
While it's true I don't know everything about classical music, this doesn't mean I know nothing.
And while a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, I reckon I'm fairly safe with what little knowledge I have.

Mark, my sincere apologies if this comment offends you in any way, as it's likely more a product of my presently being ill and not having slept properly than anything else...

But, even though I don't especially care for some/most of his views, I think it was Friedrich Nietzsche who described as "philistines of culture" those characterised by a deliberate choice to, in the context of culture, always make sure to know "just enough", but no more.

Of course, I'm not saying you're a "philistine of culture"; but I would be dishonest if I said your new signature did not make that quote flash accross my mind as I read it. So perhaps you might consider rephrasing it a bit, for the sake of the impression it could make on someone. :-\


Again, I'm sorry if I've in any way offended you (or anyone) with this comment, and in fact doubly sorry for being so off-topic.


In fact, in an effort to make amends, I'll add that this subscription service sounds interesting, and very promising for the sake of swiftly scouting out new repertory! Perhaps I might find myself making use of it, once my collection (and listening) has passed a certain threshold. :D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 06, 2007, 10:34:54 PM
In fact, in an effort to make amends, I'll add that this subscription service sounds interesting, and very promising for the sake of swiftly scouting out new repertory! Perhaps I might find myself making use of it, once my collection (and listening) has passed a certain threshold. :D
Good idea. I'll say, though, that I made use of it starting (at age what, 15?) before I had a collection. It helped me find the music for my collection. I discovered for the first time the music of Grofe, Gottschalk, Gorecki, Guridi, Grieg (lots of terrific Grieg recordings), Granados, Goldmark, Glazunov, and Glass using Naxos. Before that I thought the only composers whose names started with G were Glinka (who, I thought, had only written that one overture...) and Gershwin. It is so much fun to explore on Naxos...now, of course, I am more well-versed in the classical catalog as a result, but I still know little of Garbizu, Grechaninov, and Ginastera, of which there is lots to discover.

And that's just the letter G.  ;D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on November 06, 2007, 11:36:08 PM
I subscribe also, and the sound isn't bad.  Naxos clearly states that it's FM quality - nothing more.  Given the huge volume of music available, I think that the $20 is a paltry cost.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Grazioso on November 07, 2007, 04:16:17 AM
I don't subscribe, because for free you can hear 25% of each track, which is usually enough for me to know if I want to buy the disc.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mark on November 07, 2007, 04:21:35 AM
Mark, my sincere apologies if this comment offends you in any way, as it's likely more a product of my presently being ill and not having slept properly than anything else...

But, even though I don't especially care for some/most of his views, I think it was Friedrich Nietzsche who described as "philistines of culture" those characterised by a deliberate choice to, in the context of culture, always make sure to know "just enough", but no more.

;D

Oh, Renfield - you did give me a good laugh. :D

My signature is nothing more than a throw-away line or two that basically says: 'I have my opinions, and they're precisely that - MY opinions'. I base them on what knowledge I have (and what I gain from having my views challenged by others), and when I need more knowledge, I go looking for it. ;)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Earthlight on November 07, 2007, 05:52:40 AM
I subscribed for a few months, and dropped it simply because I haven't had much listening time this year. I'll happily subscribe again if that changes. At $25 a month, it's a steal.

I can't remember ever having a dropout. It takes a few seconds to buffer, that's all. There are pauses and a little click between tracks, which can be distracting -- especially if the tracks divide two continuous movements. For the sheer volume of stuff they've got there, I can easily live with that.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: gmstudio on November 07, 2007, 07:16:39 AM
I think for the moment I'm going to stick with the free version, see how often I dip in, and then decide to pay.

If only they were DOWNLOADABLE files!  ;D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on November 07, 2007, 08:01:21 AM
I don't subscribe, because for free you can hear 25% of each track, which is usually enough for me to know if I want to buy the disc.

25% doesn't cut it for me, especially since the annual cost to hear 100% is essentially nothing.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: locrian on November 07, 2007, 08:03:02 AM
I'll head over there to listen to some samples occasionally, but that's about it so far. Maybe I should subscribe.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: toro913 on November 07, 2007, 09:07:25 AM
My university has a subscription and I'm sure nobody knows about it.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on November 07, 2007, 09:13:06 AM
My university has a subscription and I'm sure nobody knows about it.

Well, you know so pass the word to your fellow classical music enthusiasts (if there are any).
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: mahlertitan on November 07, 2007, 09:15:55 AM
My university has a subscription and I'm sure nobody knows about it.

lucky you, don't have to spend the 225 dollars!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on November 07, 2007, 09:25:13 AM
lucky you, don't have to spend the 225 dollars!

Where do you arrive at the 225 dollars number?
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: mahlertitan on November 07, 2007, 09:27:04 AM
Where do you arrive at the 225 dollars number?

it's from Naxosmusiclibrary's website, here:

https://duet.hnh.com/pg/pay_NML/NML_subscription.asp?LG= (https://duet.hnh.com/pg/pay_NML/NML_subscription.asp?LG=)

for "Cd quality" it's 225/year.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2007, 10:34:26 AM
My university has a subscription and I'm sure nobody knows about it.
Mine is the same way, so I've told a couple classical-obsessed friends about it and they agree with me that it is the best website in existence.  ;D 
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: gmstudio on November 07, 2007, 10:57:34 AM
Mine is the same way, so I've told a couple classical-obsessed friends about it and they agree with me that it is the best website in existence.  ;D 

Ahem  :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: George on November 07, 2007, 11:00:16 AM
I subscribe. Have done for three years. Just the basic, low bitrate service. Very useful. I check things out in full there, then download from eMusic if I like what I hear. If I subsequent love the download, I buy the CD. It's very cost-effective. :)

Can you sample the Naxos Histoical series, 'cause I can't.  :-\

I am not a member, but I should still be able to hear samples.  :-[
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2007, 12:12:06 PM
Can you sample the Naxos Histoical series, 'cause I can't.  :-\

I am not a member, but I should still be able to hear samples.  :-[
If you live in America...  :(  we can't listen to them, they got sued by somebody over the old recordings.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: johnQpublic on November 07, 2007, 12:19:03 PM
I'm cheap, so I settle for the free 25%; however, I really need 30% to get past those extra-long slow introductions  :D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on November 07, 2007, 12:31:42 PM
it's from Naxosmusiclibrary's website, here:

https://duet.hnh.com/pg/pay_NML/NML_subscription.asp?LG= (https://duet.hnh.com/pg/pay_NML/NML_subscription.asp?LG=)

for "Cd quality" it's 225/year.

That sure isn't the screen I was sent to when I signed up.  I'll have to investigate further.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Renfield on November 07, 2007, 06:09:07 PM
My signature is nothing more than a throw-away line or two that basically says: 'I have my opinions, and they're precisely that - MY opinions'. I base them on what knowledge I have (and what I gain from having my views challenged by others), and when I need more knowledge, I go looking for it. ;)

So I reckoned, but I wanted to make sure you knew the potential risk, should an acolyte of a certain German thinker came in "guns blazing!" :o

Though of course, he'd likely shoot me first. ;D

Nice new signature, by the way: made me grin, something which in my present sore-throat-cough-and-fever condition is most welcome. ;)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mark on November 08, 2007, 01:11:53 AM
Nice new signature, by the way: made me grin, something which in my present sore-throat-cough-and-fever condition is most welcome. ;)


Glad you like it. And sorry to learn you're unwell. :(
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Renfield on November 08, 2007, 02:52:47 AM
Glad you like it. And sorry to learn you're unwell. :(

Oh, I'm hoping I'll mend before long. But many thanks for your concern, regardless. :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on November 09, 2007, 09:02:45 AM
That sure isn't the screen I was sent to when I signed up.  I'll have to investigate further.

Well, I did investigate and found I screwed up.  Apparently, I had checked off the dial-up mode and therefore was directed to FM quality.  So I fixed that problem and found that the CD quality is much better than the FM.  So I signed up for the $225 year package.  At any rate, the volume of material is huge and Naxos seems to be adding more labels at a frequent pace.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on November 13, 2007, 08:41:02 AM
After exploring the Naxos Music Library for a few days, I am very happy I subscribed.  For reviewing purposes, I often have to acquire additional discs for comparision use.  Given the large Naxos inventory, those acquisitions will now be substantially reduced.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: ChamberNut on December 05, 2007, 08:35:29 AM
I recently subscribed to Naxos also.  Not the $225/year, but the $20/year for the FM quality.

I find it to be a great resource for me, especially to introducing myself to works that I don't yet have in my collections or haven't yet heard or discovered but want to.

Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Don on December 05, 2007, 08:49:13 AM
I recently subscribed to Naxos also.  Not the $225/year, but the $20/year for the FM quality.

I find it to be a great resource for me, especially to introducing myself to works that I don't yet have in my collections or haven't yet heard or discovered but want to.



Totally agree.  I've been grooving on the Aho/Bis discs; never would have known how good he is.

Initially I had the FM quality subscription but changed to their top-of-the-line that has much better sound quality.  Did hate paying that $225 though.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: MN Dave on December 05, 2007, 08:49:59 AM
Not pedantry.  Lossless compression would be around 700kbps.  128kbps is nowhere near CD quality--the sound is horrible and in a sane world they wouldn't be allowed to make such blatant lies.

As I mention in another thread, I don't think all CDs use the same number of kbps. Maybe older recordings don't need as many. I assume the number mentioned above is for an audiophile modern recording.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Harry on December 06, 2007, 01:35:15 AM
I did that for a while, but I ended up even buying more cd's, so I stopped my subscription before the damage would be unrepairable. ;D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Gustav on December 06, 2007, 04:47:43 PM
Naxosmusiclibrary.com is great, while at 128kbps, it is nowhere close to "CD Quality", the sheer size and comprehensiveness of the collection easily overshadows it.

I especially like to listen to the historical recordings on Naxos, and just recently (i think it was today) they added Bruno Walter's Bruckner Symphony No. 8. I am very excited to hear this album, since it uses the 1892 version (which i have never heard of). It also spare me the expense of buying a CD that I might not want to add to my collection.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on January 27, 2009, 04:48:01 PM
Just wanted to let interested parties know that the NML has added Berlin Classics to the mix.  Also just added are Eschenbach's recording on Ondine of Mahler's Sym. 2 and Ashkenazy's take on Suk's Asrael Symphony.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: donaldopato on January 28, 2009, 02:37:24 AM
I was quite happy to see the Berlin Classics recordings available. Lots of great Sanderling recordings and other gems that have been sometimes hard to find.

Thanks for the heads up on the Suk, I had missed that one.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on January 28, 2009, 12:43:15 PM
Among today's 55 new entries:

Shostakovich Sym. 8 - Litton/Delos
Schumann's Genoveva - Moser/Berlin Classics
Mahler's Das Lied - Sanderling/Berlin Classics
Melchior Franck - Sacred Motets/Thorofon
Beethoven's Leonore - Blomstedt/Berlin Classics
Bach on Silbermann Organs - Vols. 7 and 10/Berlin Classics
Eisler - Three discs/Berlin Classics
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on March 13, 2009, 02:33:45 PM
The Timpani label was added this week.  So far, only about 25 recordings - some Cras, LeFlem, Xenakis and Ropartz.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: schweitzeralan on March 24, 2009, 05:06:42 AM
Just wanted to let interested parties know that the NML has added Berlin Classics to the mix.  Also just added are Eschenbach's recording on Ondine of Mahler's Sym. 2 and Ashkenazy's take on Suk's Asrael Symphony.

The Asrael is a wonderful symphony. His 'Summer's Tale," "Ripening,". and others reflect to some extent influences of Czech music of the 19th century.  I detect Dvorak in many of Suk's profound works.  Much of his harmonies and theme develpmets are clearly conceived within 20th century tonal development. Yet he is original, serious, and his works may also suggest a mysterious, "uncertainty" phase suggestive in the works. I think the    Royal Liverpool Philharmonic gives an excellent performance of the elegaic "Asrael Symphony."  I also have soe piano works which I haven't heard in a while, so I'll hold my judgement on these.  Pavel Stepan is the player.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on March 28, 2010, 06:28:23 PM

But, my question is about the Naxos Musical Library - I've not joined - can you briefly enlighten us as to cost and options, i.e. is this just streaming audio or can CDs/tracks be downloaded, and if so in what formats?  Any information would be appreciated - thanks.  Dave  :)

I don't believe there are any downloading options, which is fine with me since I rarely download anything.  Cost is based on the quality of sound offered - I think there are three options.  Personally, I don't find the lowest two acceptable, but the best one is fine with me.  It costs $225 per year or $25 per month.  The inventory is huge: all Naxos discs, all BIS, all Marco Polo, all Dacapo, many Alphas, all Profil, all Hanssler, all Chandos, all Alba, all Hungaroton, all Analekta, all LPO and Halle. all SDG (Gardiner), etc.  There's a ton of labels and variety with much in the way of band and world music as well.

I know that Brian is also a subscriber, but I don't know what price he picked. 
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 28, 2010, 06:58:26 PM
I don't believe there are any downloading options, which is fine with me since I rarely download anything.  Cost is based on the quality of sound offered - I think there are three options.  Personally, I don't find the lowest two acceptable, but the best one is fine with me.  It costs $225 per year or $25 per month.  The inventory is huge: all Naxos discs, all BIS, all Marco Polo, all Dacapo, many Alphas, all Profil, all Hanssler, all Chandos, all Alba, all Hungaroton, all Analekta, all LPO and Halle. all SDG (Gardiner), etc.  There's a ton of labels and variety with much in the way of band and world music as well.

I know that Brian is also a subscriber, but I don't know what price he picked.

Thanks Don for the information above - I'll take a look at their website - Dave  :D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on August 04, 2010, 09:53:28 AM
Loft Recordings and Gothic have been among my favored labels for many years.  Just today, both were added to the Naxos Library.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mirror Image on August 04, 2010, 10:14:35 AM
What's great about the Naxos Music Library is that you can sample 15 minutes of recording, which not many companies will even let you sample the music and if they did it wouldn't be 15 minutes worth. That's the nice thing about this site and since I still buy CDs it enables me a chance to really sample the music as oppose to those 30 seconds that most other sites only allow you (i. e. Amazon, CD Universe, Barnes & Noble).
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on August 04, 2010, 12:18:59 PM
What's great about the Naxos Music Library is that you can sample 15 minutes of recording, which not many companies will even let you sample the music and if they did it wouldn't be 15 minutes worth. That's the nice thing about this site and since I still buy CDs it enables me a chance to really sample the music as oppose to those 30 seconds that most other sites only allow you (i. e. Amazon, CD Universe, Barnes & Noble).

I realize that many folks just use the site for sampling purposes, but I generally listen to entire cds on the site. 

It's likely that the 15 minute sampling time is to get folks hooked on the site and buy a subscription.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mirror Image on August 04, 2010, 12:56:24 PM
I realize that many folks just use the site for sampling purposes, but I generally listen to entire cds on the site. 

It's likely that the 15 minute sampling time is to get folks hooked on the site and buy a subscription.

I'm one of those that just uses it for sampling purposes. I'm a CD collector, so, again, it's nice to have that 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Antoine Marchand on August 04, 2010, 08:12:11 PM
Loft Recordings and Gothic have been among my favored labels for many years.  Just today, both were added to the Naxos Library.

Great additions, indeed.

If you have some time, I would be interested in your comments about Davidsson's Buxtehude on Gothic.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on August 04, 2010, 08:32:23 PM
Great additions, indeed.

If you have some time, I would be interested in your comments about Davidsson's Buxtehude on Gothic.

I only have his Vol. 1 - enjoyed it but would have liked more animation and flexibility on his part.  I haven't listened to it for a couple of years, finding Bryndorf and Saorgin more to my liking.

I prefer Davidsson in his Weckmann set on Motette, and that's probably because of less competition on record.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Antoine Marchand on August 05, 2010, 05:56:47 AM
I only have his Vol. 1 - enjoyed it but would have liked more animation and flexibility on his part.  I haven't listened to it for a couple of years, finding Bryndorf and Saorgin more to my liking.

I prefer Davidsson in his Weckmann set on Motette, and that's probably because of less competition on record.

Thanks, Don. I have not had chance to hear samples of Davidsson playing Buxtehude, but the opinions and information looked rather promising. My favorite Buxtehude is played by Harald Vogel, who is a superb "colorist".

BTW, there are three discs on Loft Recordings - from a small collection called "The Bach Circle"-, performed by Vogel, which are highly recommendable (especially the unfindable first volume).
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on August 05, 2010, 07:58:23 AM
Thanks, Don. I have not had chance to hear samples of Davidsson playing Buxtehude, but the opinions and information looked rather promising. My favorite Buxtehude is played by Harald Vogel, who is a superb "colorist".

BTW, there are three discs on Loft Recordings - from a small collection called "The Bach Circle"-, performed by Vogel, which are highly recommendable (especially the unfindable first volume).

Concur - Vogel is outstanding.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on September 10, 2010, 08:34:03 AM
I got a big surprise when I went to the Library this morning - more new entries than I've ever seen before.  New labels include Glossa, Christophorus, Accent, Pan Classics, Ars Produktion, Carus and Coviello.  Right now I'm grooving to Bruggen's new recording of Bach's Mass in B minor on Glossa.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Antoine Marchand on October 11, 2010, 08:45:52 AM
Some nice listenings using my recently acquired subscription to NML:

Ghielmi bros., Bach's Gamba Sonatas (viola da gamba/fortepiano), Ars Musici.

A lovely recital (Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven)l by the English keyboardist (period instruments) Martin Souter: "Fantasias and Variations", The Gift of Music.

Some Bach's partitas for harpsichord by the harpsichordist Nicholas Parle on ABC Classics. 



Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Antoine Marchand on November 22, 2010, 10:04:15 AM
Ricercar Joins the NML (16th November 2010).

It's a great news for the subscribers of the NML, although currently have been uploaded only 14 titles, among them three or four really excellent: Bruhns (cantatas); a recital by Bernard Foccroulle; a set titled "Defense de la basse de viole" and another set titled "Les plaisirs de la table".  :) 
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on November 22, 2010, 12:03:22 PM
I just want to say that nml is cool. :)  It really helps me check out music.  It's easy to make an informed decision about buying a cd if you can listen to the entire thing twice over or more! :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on November 22, 2010, 03:30:42 PM
I just want to say that nml is cool. :)  It really helps me check out music.  It's easy to make an informed decision about buying a cd if you can listen to the entire thing twice over or more! :)

So true.  I was about to acquire Marcel Tyberg's Naxos disc but decided to hear it first on NML.  After a couple of hearings, my conclusion was not to pull the trigger. 
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mirror Image on November 24, 2010, 07:59:06 PM
I just want to say that nml is cool. :)  It really helps me check out music.  It's easy to make an informed decision about buying a cd if you can listen to the entire thing twice over or more! :)

That's what I've been saying in my above posts. The site is great for sampling music and what's nice are the other labels that you're able to sample in addition to Naxos' catalog.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Octo_Russ on November 25, 2010, 07:25:41 AM
What's great about the Naxos Music Library is that you can sample 15 minutes of recording, which not many companies will even let you sample the music and if they did it wouldn't be 15 minutes worth. That's the nice thing about this site and since I still buy CDs it enables me a chance to really sample the music as oppose to those 30 seconds that most other sites only allow you (i. e. Amazon, CD Universe, Barnes & Noble).

But the Naxos site only gives you 15 minutes per day, and not 15 minutes per disc, i would use it primarily as a site to sample discs to buy, i don't see why Naxos can't allow you to have unlimited sampling of say the first 5 minutes of a track for free, if it encourages you to buy the disc, then Naxos is the winner as they make a sale!.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on November 25, 2010, 07:32:38 AM
I know why OctoRuss-- because it would interfere with their streaming business.  The ceo sees streaming as the long term future for classical music.  And when they're the only ones that do classical streaming right, why give that away?  Heck they even know they're the only game in town-- the popular streaming services charge $5/mo for 128k streaming, but nml knows that they are worth 5 times as much for classical listeners... and they're right.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 25, 2010, 08:29:42 AM
But the Naxos site only gives you 15 minutes per day, and not 15 minutes per disc, i would use it primarily as a site to sample discs to buy, i don't see why Naxos can't allow you to have unlimited sampling of say the first 5 minutes of a track for free, if it encourages you to buy the disc, then Naxos is the winner as they make a sale!.

That's what a free subscription does at Naxos.com rather than NaxosMusicLibrary.com. Benefits: you get free access to the first 25% of each track. Drawbacks: this only covers Naxos, BIS, Dacapo, and a couple other labels, not Chandos, LSO Live, Naive, etc.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on November 25, 2010, 12:58:44 PM
But the Naxos site only gives you 15 minutes per day, and not 15 minutes per disc, i would use it primarily as a site to sample discs to buy, i don't see why Naxos can't allow you to have unlimited sampling of say the first 5 minutes of a track for free, if it encourages you to buy the disc, then Naxos is the winner as they make a sale!.

I doubt that Naxos sees this service as being one of sampling; neither do I as I generally listen to entire discs.

Put another way, stop being so cheap. ::)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mirror Image on November 25, 2010, 11:43:41 PM
But the Naxos site only gives you 15 minutes per day, and not 15 minutes per disc, i would use it primarily as a site to sample discs to buy, i don't see why Naxos can't allow you to have unlimited sampling of say the first 5 minutes of a track for free, if it encourages you to buy the disc, then Naxos is the winner as they make a sale!.


Yes, but since I usually buy whole series at a time, I'll listen to one disc from a composer series and if I like the music, then I usually just go ahead and buy them all. A case in point: the Malipiero discs that I recently bought.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 26, 2010, 01:57:09 AM

Yes, but since I usually buy whole series at a time, I'll listen to one disc from a composer series and if I like the music, then I usually just go ahead and buy them all. A case in point: the Malipiero discs that I recently bought.

This summer, I listened to one 30-second sound clip from an Albert Roussel symphony (No 3). Somehow, it slipped my mind that I could listen to a longer sample on NML - but no matter, those 30 seconds were so good I got Naxos' complete symphonies box set.  ;D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2010, 12:49:47 PM
This summer, I listened to one 30-second sound clip from an Albert Roussel symphony (No 3). Somehow, it slipped my mind that I could listen to a longer sample on NML - but no matter, those 30 seconds were so good I got Naxos' complete symphonies box set.  ;D

I, too, own the Roussel/Naxos series and they are excellent. No doubt about it.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 27, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Labels I wish were on Naxos Music Library:
harmonia mundi
Supraphon
Hyperion
ZigZag Territories
Northern Flowers
Alia Vox
...that's pretty much it. They've got so much on there these days; I think most of the CDs I listen to offline are available on NML anyways.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on November 27, 2010, 02:35:15 PM
HM and Supraphon are on Rhapsody, Napster etc  I haven't found Hyperion on any streaming site.  I haven't heard of those other record labels.

If you listen to alot of things on those first two labels, and emi, sony, decca, dg then Rhapsody, Napster, Mog etc are each only $5/month and have 'em all. :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 27, 2010, 02:47:23 PM
HM and Supraphon are on Rhapsody, Napster etc  I haven't found Hyperion on any streaming site.  I haven't heard of those other record labels.

If you listen to alot of things on those first two labels, and emi, sony, decca, dg then Rhapsody, Napster, Mog etc are each only $5/month and have 'em all. :)

I should see if they're on Spotify. That's an England-only thing, free streaming for 20 hours a month. Northern Flowers is a Russian label that does things like the Taneyev chamber music and obscure Shostakovich bits; ZigZag does a lot of HIP stuff (ask Que!) especially with Jos van Immerseel; and Alia Vox is Jordi Savall's label. :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on February 15, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
Just wanted those interested to know that Naxos has just added BBC Legends to its Music Library - so far, 165 titles.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on February 15, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
That's quite exciting. So far I'm disappointed that they are not keeping up with Onyx new releases, and also, why does the CPO catalogue exclude series by composers like Atterberg and Antheil? Too much music to keep up with, I guess!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on February 15, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
That's quite exciting. So far I'm disappointed that they are not keeping up with Onyx new releases, and also, why does the CPO catalogue exclude series by composers like Atterberg and Antheil? Too much music to keep up with, I guess!

Naxos states the labels for which it has the complete catalogs, and CPO isn't one of them.  Unfortunately, that's life. :(
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: westknife on April 21, 2011, 08:17:59 AM
Is this worth it (price)? How is the selection? Can I get it for free through a library? Sorry if there is already a thread for this—I searched.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on April 21, 2011, 08:38:41 AM
Definitely check your local library or library system.
I'd say it is totally worth it. The selection is mind-boggling - indeed awe-inspiring - maybe one of the greatest feats on the 'Net. This is my fourth year in Naxos Music Library and I've been unable to find a piece of music I want to hear maybe five times, tops. We are talking 50,000+ CDs, many of them outstanding and a lot of them definitive. All but six or seven of the important record labels are on board*, and there is a back catalog of some classic recordings too. If you're outside the USA, this is especially great because the Naxos Historical and Naxos Archives series present literally thousands of recordings of Toscanini, Mitropoulos, Bernstein, Karajan, Ormandy, composers like Hindemith conducting their own music, and so on and so on.

There are quite a few threads already on this... not sure how the search engine missed them.

*EMI, DG, Decca, RCA/Sony, harmonia mundi, Supraphon and Hyperion are out. Labels that are in include Naxos, BIS, Chandos, PentaTone, Newton Classics (reissues of old Phillips and Decca CDs), Berlin Classics, Naive, CPO, BBC, LSO, LPO, Chicago SO, Bavarian Radio, Dorian, Vox...
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on April 27, 2011, 09:10:15 AM
To those of you who daily check the "Recent Additions":

Are you getting tired of "Brazil"?
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Antoine Marchand on June 18, 2011, 10:50:37 AM
Some excellent new labels have been added these days, three of my favorites are:

The Fryderyk Chopin Institute (NIFC)

Globe

ARTS Music

 :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on June 21, 2011, 10:31:35 AM
Just today, Brilliant Classics was added to the NML inventory of labels - surprised me very much.  Only 12 titles are now listed; should be interesting to how much larger the total will be.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on June 21, 2011, 10:45:38 AM
Just today, Brilliant Classics was added to the NML inventory of labels - surprised me very much.  Only 12 titles are now listed; should be interesting to how much larger the total will be.

Wow. I'd imagine they will only be adding Brilliant's original recordings; Newton Classics joined NML last year but only two Newton recordings are available on the library, both old enough to be out of copyright, I think (they're Stokowski).

There are some Brilliant originals I wouldn't mind hearing, like various Dutch keyboardists tackling classical era work or Klara Wurtz playing anything she wants (just enjoyed her Schumann Fantasie this afternoon).

Also added: the Etcetera label, which brings to NML Viviana Sofronitsky's HIP Mozart concerto cycle and a series of Dutch choral music, including three volumes of Sweelinck.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on June 29, 2011, 01:31:50 PM
Brilliant's GMG-approved and Gurn-endorsed album of the Hummel, Dussek and Onslow piano quintets has just been added.

However, a CD I enjoyed just last week (Raoul Sosa playing left-handed piano music) has now disappeared from NML. Not sure why that is.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on June 29, 2011, 02:36:12 PM
This makes me want to go back to nml... but so many unheard cds in my collection... :'(
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Antoine Marchand on July 02, 2011, 08:11:52 AM
So far my only complaint about NML it's that sometimes certain items mysteriously disappear. Today I wanted to compare Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 8 performed by the Shostakovich Quartet and the Mandelring Quartet, previously available there, but both of them had disappeared.  :(
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 19, 2011, 05:21:42 AM
Holy sh!t

NaxosMusicLib on Twitter: (http://twitter.com/#!/NaxosMusicLib/status/104554618188603393)

It is with great pleasure that we announce the addition of EMI Classics to NML! Includes EMI Classics, Virgin Classics, and Blue Note!

Amazing!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 19, 2011, 05:24:59 AM
(http://seoblog.yougomedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oreally.jpg)

Fantastic news Brian!  I really, really need to resubscribe. :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 19, 2011, 05:31:44 AM
Just nine of the new additions to Naxos Music Library... (click to expand images) (and widen your browser to see three on each row... if you're OCD like me  :P )

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They very, very clearly haven't got anything resembling the full catalogue online yet, but it is the first day of EMI's collaboration with Naxos Music Library and you can only upload so many things at a time. Surely it goes without saying how exciting this is! A few of these CDs were very far out of print.

EDIT: NML's Twitter rep tells me they expect to have most of the catalogue uploaded by the end of the year, or that is what they're shooting for. But, in her/his words, "SO MANY UPLOADS." ;D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Renfield on August 19, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
That's unexpected and impressive.

Sadly, I suspect many of us here own a bigger portion of the EMI catalogue than they may have uploaded so far. :P But nonetheless, getting the full catalogue online would be a landmark achievement. Bravo, Naxos! :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 22, 2011, 06:19:30 AM
NML has begun uploading the long out-of-print "Composers in Person" series, starting with Milhaud conducting Milhaud. Dozens and dozens of Alban Berg Quartett CDs are uploaded, some in print some not, and they've also just added three of the "Icon" box sets: Cortot, Corelli, and Kempe. The goal as confided to me and now published on a banner ad on the site is to have the complete EMI and Virgin within three months.

There are already about 400 EMI CDs on the site so they're moving quickly!
Now online (click to expand):

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(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0094639601455.jpg)  (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0724356690554.jpg)  (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0724356858657.jpg)

(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/5099945781551.jpg)  (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0077774733359.jpg)  (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0077776400259.jpg)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: rw1883 on August 22, 2011, 07:41:24 AM
Any thoughts on Classicsonline vs. NML?  There are a few labels that aren't doubled, but I need to do more research.  Thanks in advance...

Paul
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 22, 2011, 08:59:02 AM
Any thoughts on Classicsonline vs. NML?  There are a few labels that aren't doubled, but I need to do more research.  Thanks in advance...

Paul

I think that they are pretty much the same thing though inventory wise... because if you go to nml and want to buy an mp3 you'll end up at classicsonline.  Wait a minute... why am I not using classicsonline then!?  It's only $10 a month. >:(
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 22, 2011, 09:45:08 AM
I think that they are pretty much the same thing though inventory wise... because if you go to nml and want to buy an mp3 you'll end up at classicsonline.  Wait a minute... why am I not using classicsonline then!?  It's only $10 a month. >:(

Huh? I didn't know Classicsonline had a $10 a month thing. What does it do? What do you get?

The things I use the sites for are simple...
NML is streaming
Classicsonline is MP3 downloads (like the iTunes store)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 22, 2011, 11:39:51 AM
Huh? I didn't know Classicsonline had a $10 a month thing. What does it do? What do you get?

It is unlimited streaming. :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 22, 2011, 11:58:47 AM
It is unlimited streaming. :)

Oh wow just found that! That must be the same as the old streaming service from Naxos.com - I think I paid $10 a month to stream Naxos (and Marco Polo, BIS, etc) CDs on Naxos.com at something like 64kbps (vs NML's 128). How does the Classicsonline sound compare? I'll stick to NML because I have an institutional login but that is really good to know.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 22, 2011, 12:16:11 PM
Oh wow just found that! That must be the same as the old streaming service from Naxos.com - I think I paid $10 a month to stream Naxos (and Marco Polo, BIS, etc) CDs on Naxos.com at something like 64kbps (vs NML's 128). How does the Classicsonline sound compare? I'll stick to NML because I have an institutional login but that is really good to know.

I've already paid Naxos $25, but if I can search and find the same content on classicsonline, I'll pay the $10 and see how the audio quality compares. :)  For NML I'm on the 128k plan.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 24, 2011, 08:37:17 AM
Among the 150 albums new to NML today... (click to expand)

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(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0724357372251.jpg)  (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0094637734452.jpg)  (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/0724356990050.jpg)

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Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 24, 2011, 11:20:45 AM
Brian, I've just searched on three of those and they are also available on classicsonline, so whatever is being added to nml they are getting at the same time! :)  I will be subscribing to classicsonline soon. :) :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: rw1883 on August 24, 2011, 07:18:39 PM
I think I'll be combining Classicsonline, MOG, and ClassicalArchives (total of around $25 a month) for a few months.  Although, adding NML is tempting...
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 26, 2011, 08:46:35 AM
I think I'll be combining Classicsonline, MOG, and ClassicalArchives (total of around $25 a month) for a few months.  Although, adding NML is tempting...

I haven't tried classicalarchives, but thumbs up on the first two! :)

Okay I'm finally reporting back on classicsonline: the catalog might be slightly less than nml, but for everything I look for it is effectively the same.  Both have excellent search engines, both support playlists.  Classicsonline is faster to respond, I don't wait as long for the site to load nor do I have any streaming problems, when I occasionally do on nml.

But nml does trump in classicsonline in two important ways: bitrate, classicsonline streaming is 48k, nml is 64 or 128; apps for smartphones and ipods.  NML has them and classicslonline doesn't.

For me I think that even with those issues, $10/mo is awesome and I think I'll continue with classicsonline and discontinue using nml.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: rw1883 on August 26, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
I sent a note to Classicsonline about the inability to stream EMI beyond 30-second clips.  They informed me that the EMI releases are for sale, but can only be streamed in full on NML >:(...I wonder if this is a US issue?  Back to the drawing board...
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 26, 2011, 11:53:42 AM
Oh poop I didn't try that!  You're right well nml is the victor then.  I reverse my decision, I'll keep nml and cancel classicsonline.  That is a pitty.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Holden on August 26, 2011, 01:24:35 PM
I've just been touring the classicsonline website and it's got a heap of historical music in it that is very hard to source without paying an exorbitant fee. So if I sign up do the 30 secs automatically turn into full track streaming? If so then I am a starter as the majority of my listening is via my PC anyway. Any caveats that I should be aware of? $10 per month is a heck of a lot better than $25.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on August 26, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
I've just been touring the classicsonline website and it's got a heap of historical music in it that is very hard to source without paying an exorbitant fee. So if I sign up do the 30 secs automatically turn into full track streaming? If so then I am a starter as the majority of my listening is via my PC anyway. Any caveats that I should be aware of? $10 per month is a heck of a lot better than $25.

The EMI albums stay as 30 second samples on classicsonline.  Since the bitrate is 48k for streaming, and the EMI problem... I think that the $15 nml 64k plan is probably the best plan of the three.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 26, 2011, 03:25:11 PM
The EMI albums stay as 30 second samples on classicsonline.  Since the bitrate is 48k for streaming, and the EMI problem... I think that the $15 nml 64k plan is probably the best plan of the three.

If you're listening through computer speakers and not headphones, the 64k plan will do just fine - some clicking sounds on inferior recordings of high-register piano work (e.g. 90s Jando) and constricted climaxes, but they didn't put me off in my 3 or so years as a 64k subscriber.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Holden on September 02, 2011, 02:57:47 PM
OK, signed up for COL but there are a couple of problems including the EMI tracks only playing 30 sec clips as mentioned earlier. However, this is not the only label I can't play for more than 30 seconds. I wanted to listen to the Michelangeli Blue Box and that only gives 30 second clips. The message says that the files cannot be downloaded because of copyright restrictions in my country. The same goes fopr some other labels as well. I thought that it was only the US that had this issue yet I am in Australia. So the question is, if I switch to NML will I now be able to listen to those tracks in their entirety?
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on September 12, 2011, 07:23:46 AM
It's freaking Christmas over at Naxos Music Library.
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Oddly, given the Handley box is called "Champion of English Music," 2 of the 5 CDs are given over to non-English repertoire: Bruch and Sibelius concertos, Mussorgsky, the Polovtsian Dances.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Lethevich on September 12, 2011, 07:36:57 AM
Oddly, given the Handley box is called "Champion of English Music," 2 of the 5 CDs are given over to non-English repertoire: Bruch and Sibelius concertos, Mussorgsky, the Polovtsian Dances.

It's nice that they included some repertoire of this type - apparently he found himself frustrated at being pidgeonholed as a "British music expert", and felt that he had plenty to say about Beethoven, for example. He has a fine Rachmaninoff 2nd symphony which has done the rounds on the small labels - not sure who originally recorded it.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Antoine Marchand on September 12, 2011, 07:48:11 AM
It's freaking Christmas over at Naxos Music Library.

Yes! It's Christmas at NML!  :D

Right now I'm listening to Alicia de Larrocha. I didn't have listened to this pianist before, but I loved her "touch" from the first notes.

(http://pmcdn.priceminister.es/photo/515308025_ML.jpg)

Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Bulldog on September 12, 2011, 07:57:37 AM
OK, signed up for COL but there are a couple of problems including the EMI tracks only playing 30 sec clips as mentioned earlier. However, this is not the only label I can't play for more than 30 seconds. I wanted to listen to the Michelangeli Blue Box and that only gives 30 second clips. The message says that the files cannot be downloaded because of copyright restrictions in my country. The same goes fopr some other labels as well. I thought that it was only the US that had this issue yet I am in Australia. So the question is, if I switch to NML will I now be able to listen to those tracks in their entirety?

Just pay your money and each track is there in its entirety.  Naxos doesn't mess around with samples.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on September 12, 2011, 09:15:10 AM
Just pay your money and each track is there in its entirety.  Naxos doesn't mess around with samples.

He's asking (I think?) whether Australia is subject to the Naxos Historical copyright blackout. I'm not sure...
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on September 12, 2011, 10:22:44 AM
He's asking (I think?) whether Australia is subject to the Naxos Historical copyright blackout. I'm not sure...

If this is Holden's question, I have an answer from Naxos Music Library:

"Are Australian customers subject to historical recording blackouts from copyright on NML?"
"Nope, not on most things. There may be a few odd restricted titles, but Australia should be mostly clear."
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Holden on September 15, 2011, 01:57:25 PM
OK, I cancelled CoL and signed up with NML (twice the price) and am listening to the Alban Bergs play LvB 4Tets - lovely so that solves the EMI issue. Can I safely assume that if it is on CoL then NML has it too?

I'm just about to check out the ABM.

As an aside, when I signed up with CoL I used my Gmail address. I wonder if it thought that I was a resident of the USA?

Saw this when I clicked on the ABM

All Naxos Historical, Naxos Classical Archives, Naxos Jazz, Folk and Rock Legends and Naxos Nostalgia titles are not available
to subscribers in the United States and some titles may not be available to subscribers in Australia, Singapore, and Japan because these countries have copyright laws
that provide or may provide for terms of protection for sound recordings that differ from the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on July 02, 2012, 11:03:24 AM
Warner Classics has joined Naxos Music Library.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Sammy on July 02, 2012, 11:10:57 AM
Warner Classics has joined Naxos Music Library.

Seemed like there were hundreds of new (to NML) Teldec recordings this morning.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: eyeresist on July 02, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
Let's hope they get the Teldec originals rather than the patchy Warners remasters.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Holden on July 02, 2012, 11:38:55 PM
It looks like they've got both.

Some interesting recordings for me that I've wanted to hear.

Barenboim - LvB Symphonies

Harnoncourt - Bach Cantatas
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on July 18, 2012, 12:46:16 PM
Finlandia and Polskie Nagrania have joined. The former includes Berglund's last Sibelius cycle; the latter a live recital recording of Michelangeli in Warsaw, 1955. Scarlatti, Beethoven Op 2 No 3, Schumann, and extras.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 15, 2012, 11:27:00 AM
Nonesuch has joined Naxos Music Library. Wow.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Wakefield on August 20, 2012, 07:23:18 PM
Nonesuch has joined Naxos Music Library. Wow.

Thanks! I wasn't aware of this.

I recommend to listen to the Beethoven cello sonatas by Bylsma and Bilson (at least vol. 2 available there).

I think I will give a chance to Goode playing Schubert.  :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2013, 09:13:54 AM
Nonesuch has joined Naxos Music Library. Wow.
Linn Records has joined!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2013, 09:29:33 AM
Linn Records has joined!

How is NML compared to Spotify? Price and available music for listening?
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2013, 11:22:24 AM
How is NML compared to Spotify? Price and available music for listening?
I don't know the price for Spotify, but NML is I believe $225/yr (about $19/mo) for the complete catalogues of Naxos, BIS, Chandos, Marco Polo, Ondine, and about 100 other smaller labels, plus most EMI releases and re-releases from the CD era, a lot of Warner, Teldec, and Finlandia, and about half of CPO. Nothing from the Universal or Sony families. Many new or newish releases have booklet PDFs available. No ads ever, of course. Powerful searches by label, composer, artist, work title, and even work length if you have, say, six minutes to spare.

It's expensive, so I recommend checking if your local library or school has access. Luckily my employer has an institutional account so I'm first-listening Berlioz' complete Romeo et Juliette right now with Colin Davis on LSO Live!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
This screenshot captures about 25% of the NML label list.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2013, 11:30:53 AM
This screenshot captures about 25% of the NML label list.

That wouldn't happen to be on your institutional computer?  ;)

Thanks for the info, Brian.

Helped to hide your identity.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2013, 11:43:26 AM
That wouldn't happen to be on your DCCCD computer?  ;)

Thanks for the info, Brian.
Hey, like I said, they have an institutional NML account I can dip into  :)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mirror Image on April 03, 2013, 11:43:39 AM
I only use Naxos' 15 minute preview to sample a recording I'm looking at purchasing. Other than that, they're too expensive and I've got access to enough music as it is. If it was say $8 a month, I could see the value in it, but $19 is too steep of a price especially for what you're getting in return. I can buy two recordings or even a budget priced box set with $19.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Sammy on April 03, 2013, 12:13:01 PM
I only use Naxos' 15 minute preview to sample a recording I'm looking at purchasing. Other than that, they're too expensive and I've got access to enough music as it is. If it was say $8 a month, I could see the value in it, but $19 is too steep of a price especially for what you're getting in return. I can buy two recordings or even a budget priced box set with $19.

That $19 per month cost must be for a lower quality sound.  The monthly price for their best sound is $30.  I've had this service for about 3 years and am very pleased with the sound quality and content.  From what I've read on this board, other services often have missing tracks or other built-in deficiencies; nothing like that from Naxos. 
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
That $19 per month cost must be for a lower quality sound.  The monthly price for their best sound is $30.  I've had this service for about 3 years and am very pleased with the sound quality and content.  From what I've read on this board, other services often have missing tracks or other built-in deficiencies; nothing like that from Naxos.
Do you have a problem where some recent BIS releases are in inexplicably terrible sound? For example, try "The Trio Sonata in 18th-Century Italy" or Barber's Cello Concerto w Poltera. I believe my institution's account is "medium" sound quality - 192 kbps? - but these recent BIS discs sound shockingly garbled and bad.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Sammy on April 03, 2013, 04:12:22 PM
Do you have a problem where some recent BIS releases are in inexplicably terrible sound? For example, try "The Trio Sonata in 18th-Century Italy" or Barber's Cello Concerto w Poltera. I believe my institution's account is "medium" sound quality - 192 kbps? - but these recent BIS discs sound shockingly garbled and bad.

They sound fine to me, especially the Trio Sonata disc.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on June 21, 2013, 06:27:12 AM
Has something changed (for the worse) or is there some glitch with my browser(s)?  I no longer have the "+" next to the title of the work which would open and display the performers, nor do I see the credits in the left side pane of the composers, and other names associated with the recording.
Not having this problem. I did just have a glitch where pages loaded blank, but it resolved pretty quickly.

Aside: Michael Gielen's Daphnis et Chloe is one of the great ones, for sure.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on August 26, 2013, 08:32:06 AM
"We can't tell you a whole lot just yet, but in the next month or two we will be breaking some very exciting news that will make NML even more awesome than it already is.  Seriously, we feel like parents on Christmas Eve itching to see the kids open up their presents the next morning.  So stay tuned!"

The last time they released a statement like that, the announcement was that they were adding EMI.

http://naxosmusiclibrary.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-changes-to-nml-jazz.html
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on September 02, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
Sony Classics has joined Naxos Music Library

As with EMI, it will probably take months to upload even half the humongous Sony catalogue, but they've gotten started. But today they started with a big batch of Gould, Levine, Ma, and Giulini recordings.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on September 26, 2013, 10:45:09 AM
Harmonia Mundi has joined Naxos Music Library

Just weeks after the arrival of Sony!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Sammy on September 26, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
That's great news about Harmonia Mundi, and the first group of entries today is very impressive.  Sony wasn't a bad new member, but HM is leagues above Sony, RCA and those other warhorse labels.  Maybe Hyperion will be next.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2013, 02:39:04 PM
Now added:

Editions Hortus
SOMM
Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 14, 2013, 08:33:26 AM
RCA has joined NML! So far about 100 RCA discs have been uploaded.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: OrchestralNut on November 14, 2013, 10:16:28 AM
RCA has joined NML! So far about 100 RCA discs have been uploaded.

Wow....pretty soon Naxos is going to have a monopoly, at this rate!  ;D
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Wakefield on November 14, 2013, 12:20:55 PM
At this point I am torn between renewing my subscription at the premium level (what I have had) - it is expensive, $30/month, and living with my main complaint, i.e. the licensing denials for a significant number of recordings, especially historical; or renewing at the standard level - or letting it lapse.  Reasons to stay: NML has so many recordings (and booklets) and they are adding labels each month, that cancelling the service seems like a penny-wise-pound-foolish decision. 

Looks like I've about convinced myself to go for another year.  Oh well, I have until April to decide.  Between NML and MOG I am spending $420 a year on streaming music ($360/NML + $60/MOG).   It still seems like a much better deal than what that amount would buy of CDs (and because of these services my CD purchasing has dropped off precipitously).

 :-\
Currently, I also pay two different streaming services: NML and Deezer.

For variety and boutique labels, NML doesn't have rivals.

But lately I have begun to find its sound quality quite poor  and flat (I clearly recall I said something different in the past  :-[). 

I noticed this from the acquisition of my new Mac all-in-one, which has a superb sound card and excellent speakers. In fact, Deezer sounds fantastic, but NML remarkably flat and dry.  :(
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 14, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
At this point I am torn between renewing my subscription at the premium level (what I have had) - it is expensive, $30/month, and living with my main complaint, i.e. the licensing denials for a significant number of recordings, especially historical; or renewing at the standard level - or letting it lapse.  Reasons to stay: NML has so many recordings (and booklets) and they are adding labels each month, that cancelling the service seems like a penny-wise-pound-foolish decision. 

Looks like I've about convinced myself to go for another year.  Oh well, I have until April to decide.  Between NML and MOG I am spending $420 a year on streaming music ($360/NML + $60/MOG).   It still seems like a much better deal than what that amount would buy of CDs (and because of these services my CD purchasing has dropped off precipitously).

 :-\

Were I not a fool who goes and buys things like the Complete Murray Perahia a month after his recordings get uploaded to NML - were I not such a fool, I'd pony up for premium NML and limit CD purchases to labels it doesn't carry (Channel, Supraphon, DG, Decca, Mirare, Alia Vox, pretty much). But I am such a fool, and also I am currently exploiting a loophole by using a non-USA login to stream those licensing-prohibited recordings despite being very much inside the USA.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Sammy on November 14, 2013, 03:32:58 PM
At this point I am torn between renewing my subscription at the premium level (what I have had) - it is expensive, $30/month, and living with my main complaint, i.e. the licensing denials for a significant number of recordings, especially historical; or renewing at the standard level - or letting it lapse.  Reasons to stay: NML has so many recordings (and booklets) and they are adding labels each month, that cancelling the service seems like a penny-wise-pound-foolish decision. 

Looks like I've about convinced myself to go for another year.  Oh well, I have until April to decide.  Between NML and MOG I am spending $420 a year on streaming music ($360/NML + $60/MOG).   It still seems like a much better deal than what that amount would buy of CDs (and because of these services my CD purchasing has dropped off precipitously).

 :-\

I was also considering giving up my NML subscription.  For me, many of the labels are useless, and the releases from the "warhorse" labels are filled with old recordings that I was familiar with 20 years ago.

Ultimately, I decided to keep going with the $30 premium monthly payment (the sound at the lower subscription rate sucks).  Adding Harmonia Mundi was a big positive.  Also, as long as I listen to at least 1 disc per day, I feel I'm getting sufficient return for my money.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on March 20, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
NML has now added Mirare!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on April 10, 2014, 05:54:47 AM
Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra has joined NML.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: amw on April 10, 2014, 02:19:22 PM
But lately I have begun to find its sound quality quite poor  and flat (I clearly recall I said something different in the past  :-[).

Not just you; the 'standard' sound option is 64kbps AAC. I think 'premium' might be as high as 128kbps.

I've sometimes wondered how feasible it would be for NML to switch to offering a 'free' version (128k), 'standard' (256k) and 'premium' (lossless). Or a model where your NML subscription allows you to download a certain amount from their online shop within bandwidth limits set by how much you're paying per month.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: DavidW on April 10, 2014, 05:17:00 PM
Not just you; the 'standard' sound option is 64kbps AAC. I think 'premium' might be as high as 128kbps.

I've sometimes wondered how feasible it would be for NML to switch to offering a 'free' version (128k), 'standard' (256k) and 'premium' (lossless). Or a model where your NML subscription allows you to download a certain amount from their online shop within bandwidth limits set by how much you're paying per month.

That would be awesome.  NML is simply not competitive with the other streaming services despite their deep catalog.  Raise the bitrate.  Allow for downloads on mobile devices.  Lower the price.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on November 13, 2014, 01:13:28 PM
Lyrita has joined NML.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on May 31, 2016, 05:00:09 AM
Supraphon joins Naxos Music Library!

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Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 31, 2016, 05:09:26 AM
Supraphon joins Naxos Music Library!

Boy, they have a lot of disks I would like to have, and so many are OOP or really hard to get my hands on...
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Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on January 13, 2017, 07:23:54 AM
Melodiya joins NML!
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: amw on January 13, 2017, 07:28:26 AM
Not just you; the 'standard' sound option is 64kbps AAC. I think 'premium' might be as high as 128kbps.

I've sometimes wondered how feasible it would be for NML to switch to offering a 'free' version (128k), 'standard' (256k) and 'premium' (lossless). Or a model where your NML subscription allows you to download a certain amount from their online shop within bandwidth limits set by how much you're paying per month.
Apparently Klaus Heymann reads this forum since NML's standard quality is now 128k and premium 320k (guess lossless would compete too much with ClassicsOnline or something? idk). Hey Klaus! When are you gonna add Hyperion, MDG and ECM?
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mirror Image on January 13, 2017, 08:03:21 AM
I have bemoaned the fact that Hyperion and ECM are not found on any streaming services (I have hoped that ECM would start their own streaming service when they rolled out their announced new site).  Which I have interpreted to mean that it is their decision not to license their music on these portals.

And by them not wanting to stream their music, it certainly hasn't hurt them. Both labels are doing extremely well. I actually admire them for not streaming their music.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 13, 2017, 08:07:41 AM
The artists must earn so much from streaming  8)
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on January 13, 2017, 08:09:53 AM
Apparently Klaus Heymann reads this forum since NML's standard quality is now 128k and premium 320k (guess lossless would compete too much with ClassicsOnline or something? idk). Hey Klaus! When are you gonna add Hyperion, MDG and ECM?
ECM's classical label is technically on NML, but they've only uploaded some of the catalog, and it's listed as "Universal Classics". There's no good way to search for ECM releases except frustratedly typing in each album, but I know they have Lonquich's Kreisleriana and Holliger's Bach oboe concertos.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Mandryka on July 27, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
I've just found a way of squirting NML into my hifi via an iPad and a squeezebox, so I'm curious about it. Right now I use two streaming services, Tidal and Qobuz. Does anyone think I should scrap them and just use NML?
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on March 01, 2019, 07:07:47 AM
Oh boy, NML website redesign...let's see how this goes...
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Brian on September 23, 2021, 10:15:02 AM
TELARC has joined Naxos Music Library for streaming.
Title: Re: Naxos Music Library
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on September 23, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
Supraphon joins Naxos Music Library!

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Melodiya joins NML!
Augh!  Oh, waaaayyyy too tempting!  Just noticed these older posts.

1)  Has the bit rate gone up?  and 2)  Yeah, I wonder what kind of money classical artists are making from a streaming service such as this?  :-\

PD