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Title: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2013, 09:40:13 AM
The purpose of this thread is to discuss those LP releases which were never issued on CD or any other digital format; or were re-issued, but are very hard to find on CD; or were re-issued, but incompletely.

I'll kick things off with a recent acquisition: a 2-disc anthology issued on Telefunken's Das alte Werk imprint back in the 1970s, Music from Dürer's Time.

(http://www.hoerde.de/andreas/Klassik/mus-gifs/snfl1-2_small.jpg)

It features 3 different ensembles playing both the big names of that period (Josquin, Obrecht, Isaac) and more obscure composers. The performances have that impressively fervent quality that I like: there's not much of the too-smooth "white" sound that a lot of later early music groups adopted. Plenty of instrumental accompaniment too, which I regard as a good thing.

The 4 sides are organized geographically, with each devoted to a country or region. You can see a complete list of the contents here:

http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/tld11515.htm

It appears that this excellent, wide-ranging set has never been re-issued. Such are the mysteries of the recording business.

Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2013, 12:29:46 PM
The Nonesuch label is going to play a major role in this thread. That's because, of all the major labels, Nonesuch has been singularly delinquent in releasing its old vinyl in newer formats. Many of its best releases are still trapped behind the Vinyl Curtain.

A case in point is this album:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/716JbRzqoKL._SL500_SX300_.jpg)

Heliotrope Bouquet is a charming album of rags both old and new (well, new at the time it was released - 1971). William Bolcom, himself well-known as a rag composer, plays classics by old-timey composers like Scott Joplin and Joseph Lamb; but he also puts down 2.5 of his own rags (one was co-composed with William Albright). It's a scintillating performance on all counts.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
I can't call myself a Pettersson fan, but I enjoyed spinning this pioneering recording of the dyspeptic Swede's 8th Symphony again, after many years during which it was moldering in the basement:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cAFbon%2BXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Multiple things to provoke nostalgia here. An American orchestra records music by a still-living European composer, on an established label. Although apparently this was originally issued on a label called Polar, which I'd never heard of before, DG deserves credit for picking it up and giving it wider circulation.

Along with the 7th, this is one of the Pettersson symphonies that I more or less like. It helps that it's split into 2 movements, giving you a brief respite from the anguish. The Baltimoreans play pretty well, tho' I wouldn't exactly call them world class. The conductor, Commissiona, recorded other works of Pettersson, but I think this is the only one he did on this side of the ocean.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Pat B on December 19, 2013, 06:02:57 AM
Nice thread. I have a few LPs that have not been issued digitally, though I doubt any of them could be considered lost classics.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 19, 2013, 07:27:28 AM
Quote from: Pat B on December 19, 2013, 06:02:57 AM
Nice thread. I have a few LPs that have not been issued digitally, though I doubt any of them could be considered lost classics.

I don't consider most of my stranded LPs to be "lost classics." But it's nice to have them anyway, and they probably deserve to be re-issued.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: springrite on December 19, 2013, 07:34:56 AM
Quote from: Velimir on December 18, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
I can't call myself a Pettersson fan, but I enjoyed spinning this pioneering recording of the dyspeptic Swede's 8th Symphony again, after many years during which it was moldering in the basement:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cAFbon%2BXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Multiple things to provoke nostalgia here. An American orchestra records music by a still-living European composer, on an established label. Although apparently this was originally issued on a label called Polar, which I'd never heard of before, DG deserves credit for picking it up and giving it wider circulation.

Along with the 7th, this is one of the Pettersson symphonies that I more or less like. It helps that it's split into 2 movements, giving you a brief respite from the anguish. The Baltimoreans play pretty well, tho' I wouldn't exactly call them world class. The conductor, Commissiona, recorded other works of Pettersson, but I think this is the only one he did on this side of the ocean.
I remember this one fondly, as well as Henze's Tristan, Noel Lee playing Griffes, but mostly, Gitlis in Berg Chamber Concerto, with "The Music Group of London".
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Pat B on December 19, 2013, 09:25:05 AM
Quote from: Velimir on December 19, 2013, 07:27:28 AM
I don't consider most of my stranded LPs to be "lost classics." But it's nice to have them anyway, and they probably deserve to be re-issued.

A valid distinction.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 19, 2013, 10:04:33 AM
Here we have two American orchestral classics, played superbly by that classic combo, Ormandy-Philadelphia, and recorded around 1976 (perhaps a bicentennial tie-in?).

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/Ives/CD_Three_Places_Ormandy_RCA.jpg)

Apparently the Ives Three Places was re-issued in Japan, so it may fall into the "hard to find" category. The Harris 3rd, as far as I know, has never been reissued anywhere. While Bernstein's take on this symphony is more intense, the Ormandy is a smoother and more secure account. The Philly players outclass their NY counterparts in most respects, and Ormandy's more objective approach brings its own pleasures.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 19, 2013, 05:46:22 PM
We have had vinyl threads in the past and they peeter out.  Let's get this on the map and make it an institution here.  I'll post back tonight.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 19, 2013, 05:51:04 PM
here is a four page thread that I started on another site about which labels may give one the best sound.  Worth a look as many excellent posts came through.  I threw it in here because we may want to consider some lps that are better sounding (for some of us) than the digital copy.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/classical-vinyl-lps-what-labels-sound-the-best-rca-living-stereo-london-bluebacks-mercury.313997/
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 19, 2013, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: Bogey on December 19, 2013, 05:46:22 PM
We have had vinyl threads in the past and they peeter out.  Let's get this on the map and make it an institution here.  I'll post back tonight.

Bogey, I know you're an experienced vinylist, much more so than I am. I'm glad to see you here.  :)
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 19, 2013, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: Velimir on December 19, 2013, 06:34:22 PM
Bogey, I know you're an experienced vinylist, much more so than I am. I'm glad to see you here.  :)

I do love the format, but it will be interesting to see what I have in my collection that may not be on cd.  I believe that I may have a Richter recording, but that was last year and who knows if one of the recent releases netted it.  Either way, it will give me an excuse to go through my entire collection.....which sounds like a wonderful New Year's resolution to me. :)  Thanks for catalyzing it!
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 20, 2013, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: Bogey on December 19, 2013, 07:20:26 PM
I do love the format, but it will be interesting to see what I have in my collection that may not be on cd. 

Feel free to expand the remit of this thread as you see fit. The only rule is that it must be vinyl-related!
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 20, 2013, 10:42:43 AM
One more entry before I go on a few days' holiday break. A while back I asked if there was a 1-vol. anthology of Buxtehude organ works. As a fan of JS Bach, I wanted to get a brief view of one of his major influences. All the CD issues seemed to come from complete sets, and I wasn't interested in that. Then one day at Reckless Records in Chicago, in the 50 cent bin, I spotted this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CMmN4f%2BDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

A nice selection of Buxtehude organ works, played by a certain Jorgen Ernst Hansen in a church in Copenhagen. Just the sort of thing I was looking for! Worth all 50 cents and then some; I'd probably be willing to pay a couple of bucks for it even!

What's also interesting is that this is the 6th and last volume of a Nonesuch series called Master Works for Organ, covering most of the pre-Bach baroque territory in Germany and France. As far as I can tell, this entire series has been languishing on a vinyl Gilligan's Island for decades, never reissued in any form.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 20, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
What is the "sound" like on their vinyl.  I do not need audiophile, but decent is a must.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 20, 2013, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Bogey on December 20, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
What is the "sound" like on their vinyl.  I do not need audiophile, but decent is a must.

Are you referring to the Nonesuch? I find their sound perfectly acceptable, provided of course the vinyl is in good condition.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on December 21, 2013, 12:13:54 AM
In general, Nonesuch pressings were very good.

Just grabbed this out of the closet

(http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mczS1N_4v4EhWl7ZeSOzqoQ.jpg)

This older style of mixed choir very much appeals to me.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 21, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
This is an odd question, but if you could nail it, it would be most helpful.  What does the spine of the Nonesuch albums look like?  (If you are feeling board, stack a few and take a quick shot for me when you can.  :))  Thanks!
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: kishnevi on December 21, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
For me the most vivid memory of Nonesuch LPs was the cover art, of which the Buxtehude posted by Velimir is a good example.  No mistaking them for any other label!

Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: listener on December 22, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
Nonesuch had some very good annotations too, Edward Tatnall Canby being one of the writers.
Here are some more covers of discs waiting for me to switch back from cd s
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Mandryka on December 22, 2013, 01:22:10 PM
I have a transfer of a Moravec LP on nonsuch, with some late Brahms and Schumann's Kinderszenen. It is wonderful in every way.

Another transfer from LP which I cherish is Charles Rosen's recording of Debussy Etudes for REB. A third is an LP of Beethoven sonatas which Maria Grinberg made for Melodyia in 1967 - poor sound but excellent performances, better than her later records.

Others to look out for are Leonard Shure's Diabelli Variations on Epic, infinitely better than his later recording on CD. There's also the Vlach Quartet's record of Dvorak's 10th quartet, which never made it to CD (the old Vlach, not the ones on Naxos)

Best of all maybe are the LPs that the Juilliard Quartet made for RCA, Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Schubert. A very few have made it to CD on Testament, but they are all outstanding. And an extraordinary varied performance of Dowland's lachrimae by Schola  Basilliensis.

Now the real point of this post. I have all this stuff through transfers that friends have shared (if you want to hear any of it, PM me) But there are two  LPs which I would to hear , both by Blandine Verlet, one of Frescobaldi and one of Bach's French Suites. Has anyone transferred it? Can anyone share it?
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 23, 2013, 09:00:37 PM
Here is one I have posted before:

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/IMG_1012_zps808edf6c.jpg)

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/d8de4a60-4ab5-4d2c-8e59-5a423901c2f8_zps31b5a936.jpg?t=1387864032)

This is Wolfie Concerto No. 20 recorded with Schneider in '57.  If it is on cd, then it is just recently.  But according to this site, it has only been released on an lp (and he does not have this mono pressing noted).  I just sent him the info for his site.

http://fischer.hosting.paran.com/music/music.htm
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Old Listener on December 25, 2013, 09:36:49 AM
This LP of John Williams and friends playing the Haydn Quratet Op. 2 No. 2 and a Paganini Guitar Trio was a treasure.  They make this music sound sound as beautiful as any major work.

http://www.discogs.com/John-Williams-7-Paganini-Haydn-Paganini-Guitar-Trio-Haydn-Guitar-Quartet/release/2379818

I have found no evidence that the performances were ever released on a CD.

Another treasured LP of Williams / Ormandy playing the Rodrigo and CastelNuovo-Tedesco guitar concerti fared somewhat better.  The Rodrigo concerti was released on CD. A different performance of the Castelnuovo-Tedesco concerto with William / Groves / ECO made it to CDs.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 25, 2013, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: Bogey on December 23, 2013, 09:00:37 PM
Here is one I have posted before:

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/d8de4a60-4ab5-4d2c-8e59-5a423901c2f8_zps31b5a936.jpg?t=1387864032)

This is Wolfie Concerto No. 20 recorded with Schneider in '57.  If it is on cd, then it is just recently.  But according to this site, it has only been released on an lp (and he does not have this mono pressing noted).  I just sent him the info for his site.

Bill - that pic above looks so familiar to me (had a beautiful Denon turntable years ago) - BUT, this coming year, i.e. 2014, will be my 30th year anniversary of going 'cold turkey' w/ vinyl - where has the time gone?  Dave :)
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 25, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on December 25, 2013, 02:28:45 PM
Bill - that pic above looks so familiar to me (had a beautiful Denon turntable years ago) - BUT, this coming year, i.e. 2014, will be my 30th year anniversary of going 'cold turkey' w/ vinyl - where has the time gone?  Dave :)

Merry Christmas Dave, to you and Susan.  30 years?  Wow.  You must have dropped it early.  Did you go all tape or just straight to cds?
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 25, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Bogey on December 25, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Merry Christmas Dave, to you and Susan.  30 years?  Wow.  You must have dropped it early.  Did you go all tape or just straight to cds?

Hi Bill - Happy Holiday Season to you and loved ones! :)

Well, I told Susan when a CD player showed up locally for less that $500, i"m going to buy - that occurred in the fall of 1984 and the unit was a Yamaha for $499 - bought it along w/ a couple of CDs - sold my Denon turntable to my BIL (and also sent him all of my LPs - not a huge collection) - so yes that was my overnight transition from LPs to CDs - now I was into cassette tapes for a while (for the car & on the road until CD players in cars became common), but that need disappeared years ago.  Dave

P.S. just curious but looked at an inflation calculator, $500 back then is now $1,125 - great when these technologies mature; same w/ my first computer, an Apple II+ - adjusted for inflation, the most expensive computer that I ever bought!   :D
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 29, 2013, 07:59:19 AM
You'd think that Nonesuch would have at least reissued this major chamber work by a semi-important American composer, since it's the only recording of it ever made. But if you thought so, you'd be wrong.

(http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mapABm7tf_yCfwRHM7hlC5A.jpg)

George Rochberg's Piano Quintet is one of the biggest chamber pieces I've ever encountered: 7 (count 'em) movements in a rather Bartokian cyclical format, lasting about 45 minutes. If you know the Concord Quartets, you'll know what to expect - a mixture of modernism with imitative romanticism, much of it evoking Schumann and Brahms. An intriguing piece, though (as often with this composer) he does tend to go on a bit too long. The Concord Quartet, which was strongly associated with American music, plays on this; the pianist is Alan Marks.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 29, 2013, 08:01:28 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 22, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Now the real point of this post. I have all this stuff through transfers that friends have shared (if you want to hear any of it, PM me) But there are two  LPs which I would to hear , both by Blandine Verlet, one of Frescobaldi and one of Bach's French Suites. Has anyone transferred it? Can anyone share it?

That was reissued some years ago on CD. Here's a review:

http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-3277/
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Szykneij on December 29, 2013, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: Bogey on December 21, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
This is an odd question, but if you could nail it, it would be most helpful.  What does the spine of the Nonesuch albums look like?  (If you are feeling board, stack a few and take a quick shot for me when you can.  :))  Thanks!

Guess I was bored, and I don't know if this qualifies as a "stack", but my arms got tired after getting through the first shelf.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the tripod, so we have some blur.  Hopefully the images will suffice. If not, I'll try again when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Szykneij on December 29, 2013, 10:54:32 AM
Had trouble getting these to a size allowable to post. Clicking on them is helpful.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 31, 2013, 04:07:58 PM
I'm concluding Vinyl Year 2013 by posting a record which meets 50% of Criterion No. 1 (never reissued). Here is a great album of American music: Szell/Cleveland doing Barber's Piano Concerto (with John Browning) and Schuman's Song of Orpheus (with Leonard Rose). On Columbia:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ICYBz2R0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

The Barber has apparently been reissued somewhere, but the Schuman remains stranded on vinyl. The LP is interesting because, in addition to the excellence of the music and performances, it shows each composer playing against type to a certain extent. Barber's PC is driven and percussive, almost like that of Vaughan Williams; it sounds very different from his sweet-tempered Violin Concerto. Meanwhile, Song of Orpheus - a de facto 1-mvt. cello concerto - is very unlike the dissonant, tension-filled orchestral music Schuman tended to write. It's a meditative piece with some lively sections, but the overall feeling is subdued, rather lyrical. For this reason alone, the LP should be reissued as it was released: it might make for a fun "guess the composer" experience for listeners who don't know these works.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Kontrapunctus on December 31, 2013, 06:33:33 PM
Quote from: Velimir on December 18, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
I can't call myself a Pettersson fan, but I enjoyed spinning this pioneering recording of the dyspeptic Swede's 8th Symphony again, after many years during which it was moldering in the basement:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cAFbon%2BXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Multiple things to provoke nostalgia here. An American orchestra records music by a still-living European composer, on an established label. Although apparently this was originally issued on a label called Polar, which I'd never heard of before, DG deserves credit for picking it up and giving it wider circulation.

Along with the 7th, this is one of the Pettersson symphonies that I more or less like. It helps that it's split into 2 movements, giving you a brief respite from the anguish. The Baltimoreans play pretty well, tho' I wouldn't exactly call them world class. The conductor, Commissiona, recorded other works of Pettersson, but I think this is the only one he did on this side of the ocean.

BIS has already issued Pettersson's 6th, and the 9th is coming out as I type this. Both are SACD, which greatly helps to clarify his rather dense writing.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on December 31, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: Szykneij on December 29, 2013, 10:42:37 AM
Guess I was bored, and I don't know if this qualifies as a "stack", but my arms got tired after getting through the first shelf.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the tripod, so we have some blur.  Hopefully the images will suffice. If not, I'll try again when I get a chance.

Perfect!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 01, 2014, 08:01:08 AM
Just out of curiosity, could you tell us why you are interested in Nonesuch spines?
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: zmic on January 02, 2014, 07:30:34 AM
Quote from: Velimir on December 18, 2013, 12:29:46 PM
The Nonesuch label is going to play a major role in this thread. That's because, of all the major labels, Nonesuch has been singularly delinquent in releasing its old vinyl in newer formats.

On some of those Nonesuch records you can read that they are reissues of recordings on obscure French labels. So maybe Nonesuch no longer have the rights, or even the original tapes?



Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 02, 2014, 07:34:15 AM
Quote from: zmic on January 02, 2014, 07:30:34 AM
On some of those Nonesuch records you can read that they are reissues of recordings on obscure French labels. So maybe Nonesuch no longer have the rights, or even the original tapes?

That's a good point. A fair portion of Nonesuch releases were licensed from Europe (for instance, those Horenstein recordings originally on Unicorn-Kanchana). But they've also been delinquent in reissuing their own in-house products. The Rochberg I posted is an example.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: zmic on January 02, 2014, 07:45:26 AM
Quote from: Velimir on January 02, 2014, 07:34:15 AM
That's a good point. A fair portion of Nonesuch releases were licensed from Europe (for instance, those Horenstein recordings originally on Unicorn-Kanchana). But they've also been delinquent in reissuing their own in-house products. The Rochberg I posted is an example.

I totally agree that a bit fat box of 100 Nonesuch cd's in original sleeves is the most screaming void in all of classical music. Especially if you consider how all other labels are doing it.

Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on January 02, 2014, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: Velimir on January 01, 2014, 08:01:08 AM
Just out of curiosity, could you tell us why you are interested in Nonesuch spines?

Sure.  There are about 3,000 or more classical album gathering dust bunnies at a local record shop.  However, they sit on the floor near where people walk and are under dark cabinets.  They are all with their spines facing out and hard to flip through because they are packed in tightly.  But with a flashlight I am able to pick up on labels and make stops at spines I recognize.  I have done the flipping before, but it takes and hour or so.  This way I can just go down the row and pick a few out.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 03, 2014, 08:33:14 AM
I am hereby "incorporating by reference" (as lawyers like to say) my earlier thread on Smithsonian's Bach box consisting of 9 LPs, never reissued. A great set which I enjoy revisiting:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21808.msg717835.html#msg717835

Smithsonian also issued a similar Handel box, which I picked up used. However, I don't find it nearly as compelling. The performance of Messiah is a bit tepid, and the other 2 sub-boxes in the set (Op. 3 concertos and some chamber music) just don't interest me that much. Maybe I just don't like Handel's instrumental music nearly as much as Bach's.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on January 04, 2014, 12:25:43 AM
The Gioconda de Vito / Edwin Fischer performances of the Brahms sonatas 1 and 3 were reissued briefly on Testament CD, but appear to be OP and very difficult to find now. I have the original Angel LPs from the 50s. If you have not heard these, you have not heard these sonatas, period.

Much of Anton Heiller's oeuvre never made it to CD, which is very unfortunate.

There are many, many other examples...
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 08, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
Anyone remember the mini-boom of interest in Salieri prompted by the film Amadeus? This release actually pre-dates the film - though it may come after the play on which the film was based.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nUJVu8jVL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Zoltan Pesko conducts the LSO in 3 works by Salieri. Two of them are forgettable, but the third (Variations on "La Follia di Spagna") is seriously good. Interestingly, it comes from 1815, late in his career and very long after the death of Mozart. Again, never reissued as far as I can tell. It appeared on CBS, but was licensed from an Italian label, which may account for its consignment to vinyl limbo.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 12, 2014, 06:17:04 PM
Here is a never-reissued 1970s release on Columbia, showcasing a few off-the-beaten-path works by Elliott Carter:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51l31FwucZL._SX300_.jpg)

The Brass Quintet, a major contribution to the small but growing genre of serious brass music, is the main item of interest. The accompanying Eight Pieces for Four Timpani (or is it Four Pieces for Eight Timpani? I get confused sometimes) provide a major workout for that percussive mainstay of the orchestra. They feel more like a curiosity, more etude-like, than the Brass Quintet. The album finishes off with A Fantasy about Purcell's Fantasia upon One Note, Carter's arrangement for brass of Purcell's fantasy originally for strings. The American Brass Quintet and timpanist Morris Lang are the highly accomplished performers.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 23, 2014, 07:27:25 PM
Back to Nonesuch. This little gem takes me back, to my (incompetent) trombone-playing days:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kGcFcUDGKm4/TIWVG1C8K-I/AAAAAAAAAaQ/r6uyzYsxWJo/s200/baroque.jpg)

Baroque Fanfares and Sonatas for Brass, under the general direction of Joshua Rifkin, who also wrote the eloquent liner notes. Features early Baroque composers like Speer, Massaino, Hammerschmidt, and Pezel, and London-based brass players (including Philip Jones, pre-ensemble) playing some of the earliest music for specific combinations of brass. Highlights include Massaino's imposing Canzona for 8 [count 'em] Trombones and the three Speer sonatas for trombone quartets. There are even a couple of vocal works thrown in (with brass accompaniment). This is one of the best brass records I've ever heard, and it is still stuck on vinyl after all these years.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on February 03, 2014, 08:27:28 AM
"Hold on there!" I hear you say. "Isn't David Munrow's classic anthology The Art of the Netherlands readily available on CD?" Well yes it is, but...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/46/Munrow_The_Art_of_the_Netherlands_3LP_1976.jpg/230px-Munrow_The_Art_of_the_Netherlands_3LP_1976.jpg)

It turns out that, when it was reissued, they left out a whole LP side of instrumental music. So if you want to hear such 15th-century hits as "Heth sold ein meisken garn om win" or "Tsaat een meskin" (and who wouldn't, really?), you'll have to get this original LP release.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: zmic on February 04, 2014, 10:36:04 AM
now listening to a recent flea market find, chorals by Mr. Krebs

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Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on February 04, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
zmic, I can't see the picture in your post. What is it?
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 05, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
Poor Charles Ives: a lot of good recordings of his work are absent on CD. For instance,

(http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-150-1184080-1275680972.jpeg)

It's the Concord Quartet, those remarkable champions of American music, playing both of Chuck Ives' quartets. Can't say I've heard much of the competition, but I enjoy this one. Like the Rochberg 5tet I posted above, this one is stranded on vinyl.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 05, 2014, 07:10:57 PM
Quote from: Velimir on March 05, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
Poor Charles Ives: a lot of good recordings of his work are absent on CD. For instance,

(http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-150-1184080-1275680972.jpeg)

It's the Concord Quartet, those remarkable champions of American music, playing both of Chuck Ives' quartets. Can't say I've heard much of the competition, but I enjoy this one. Like the Rochberg 5tet I posted above, this one is stranded on vinyl.

Wonderful Lp.  By coinkidink, I just found the Juilliard recording on Newton Classics in my mailbox.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Ken B on March 05, 2014, 07:19:05 PM
Quote from: Velimir on January 23, 2014, 07:27:25 PM
Back to Nonesuch. This little gem takes me back, to my (incompetent) trombone-playing days:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kGcFcUDGKm4/TIWVG1C8K-I/AAAAAAAAAaQ/r6uyzYsxWJo/s200/baroque.jpg)

Baroque Fanfares and Sonatas for Brass, under the general direction of Joshua Rifkin, who also wrote the eloquent liner notes. Features early Baroque composers like Speer, Massaino, Hammerschmidt, and Pezel, and London-based brass players (including Philip Jones, pre-ensemble) playing some of the earliest music for specific combinations of brass. Highlights include Massaino's imposing Canzona for 8 [count 'em] Trombones and the three Speer sonatas for trombone quartets. There are even a couple of vocal works thrown in (with brass accompaniment). This is one of the best brass records I've ever heard, and it is still stuck on vinyl after all these years.
I remember this puppy. There was another one too, of mostly Biber trumpet stuff culled from his music.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 06, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
Hidden under the bland title New Music for Organ are two startling examples of organic psychedelia.

(http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-150-3697218-1350953978-8572.jpeg)

Side 1 gives us Black Host, by William Bolcom, he of the ragtime album mentioned above. Black Host begins in deep nocturnal gloom and evolves into a sort of "be-in" involving bits of percussion, (taped) pop music, street noises, and shouting human voices. It's very 60s, in a weirdly charming sort of way. Side 2 features Organbook II by Bolcom's friend, fellow William (Albright), and this record's soloist. This would make some good horror-movie music, particularly the "Toccata Satanique."

Albright's piece was "a Nonesuch records commission." Cool that they were commissioning such adventurous material.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on March 09, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
I may try to do a little Haydn run on vinyl.  Anyone own a recording in this format that they enjoy?
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 09, 2014, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: Bogey on March 09, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
I may try to do a little Haydn run on vinyl.  Anyone own a recording in this format that they enjoy?

The symphonies played by Leslie Jones and the Little Orchestra of London.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on March 09, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: Daverz on March 09, 2014, 02:54:13 PM
The symphonies played by Leslie Jones and the Little Orchestra of London.

I just saw those a while ago here.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/index.cfm?get=results&searchtext=haydn&CategoryID=5&LabelID=233

Thanks!
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 09, 2014, 03:09:00 PM
Quote from: Bogey on March 09, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
I just saw those a while ago here.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/index.cfm?get=results&searchtext=haydn&CategoryID=5&LabelID=233

Thanks!

Yeah, but you could probably get them at Amoeba or Record Surplus for under a buck.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on March 09, 2014, 03:53:01 PM
Quote from: Daverz on March 09, 2014, 03:09:00 PM
Yeah, but you could probably get them at Amoeba or Record Surplus for under a buck.

That is the hope.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 09, 2014, 04:47:36 PM
Quote from: Bogey on March 09, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
I may try to do a little Haydn run on vinyl.  Anyone own a recording in this format that they enjoy?

Also, the String Quartet Vox Boxes, particularly the Fine Arts Quartets contributions (though I'm not dismissing the Dekany Quartet; I've only listened to the FAQ sets so far), and a couple Hungarian String Quartet Lps on Turnabout.  There is also the old Maerzendorfer complete set of symphonies on MHS.  I grabbed a ton of these at Record Surplus in Santa Monica at 3 for a buck, but have only listened to a select few.  But what I've heard is very good.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on March 09, 2014, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: Daverz on March 09, 2014, 04:47:36 PM
Also, the String Quartet Vox Boxes, particularly the Fine Arts Quartets contributions (though I'm not dismissing the Dekany Quartet; I've only listened to the FAQ sets so far), and a couple Hungarian String Quartet Lps on Turnabout.  There is also the old Maerzendorfer complete set of symphonies on MHS.  I grabbed a ton of these at Record Surplus in Santa Monica at 3 for a buck, but have only listened to a select few.  But what I've heard is very good.

I am on it like fleas on a prairie dog.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 10, 2014, 12:39:47 PM
Dynagroove and Dynaflex

I would like to get some views on these. Collectors tend to disparage them, but are they all bad? I have one Dynaflex (Ormandy Ives 2nd) and it sounds fine to me.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 10, 2014, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Velimir on March 10, 2014, 12:39:47 PM
Dynagroove and Dynaflex

I would like to get some views on these. Collectors tend to disparage them, but are they all bad? I have one Dynaflex (Ormandy Ives 2nd) and it sounds fine to me.

It's hit and miss.  Dynagroove was also a mastering technique meant for cheap players.  But not all Dynagroove have that compromised sound.  Dynaflex was about cheaping out on the amount of vinyl, and can sometimes be noisy and mis-pressed, but sometimes very good (I have a Dynaflex Charles Mingus Tijauna Moods that sounds wonderful).

In general, avoid, unless the price is low enough that you can afford to take the chance.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Ken B on March 11, 2014, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: Daverz on March 10, 2014, 05:22:32 PM
It's hit and miss.  Dynagroove was also a mastering technique meant for cheap players.  But not all Dynagroove have that compromised sound.  Dynaflex was about cheaping out on the amount of vinyl, and can sometimes be noisy and mis-pressed, but sometimes very good (I have a Dynaflex Charles Mingus Tijauna Moods that sounds wonderful).

In general, avoid, unless the price is low enough that you can afford to take the chance.
At a certain point I basically stopped buying RCA. I could hear things happen before they happened, which I gather was a deliberate bit of "pre distortion" desigend for less sensitive needles. Teach me to buy a high end stylus. I confess there was a certain perverse fun in making the dynaflex discs shimmy like a soap bubble by wobbling them though.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 11, 2014, 11:08:36 AM
Quote from: Ken B on March 11, 2014, 10:30:12 AM
At a certain point I basically stopped buying RCA. I could hear things happen before they happened, which I gather was a deliberate bit of "pre distortion" desigend for less sensitive needles. Teach me to buy a high end stylus. I confess there was a certain perverse fun in making the dynaflex discs shimmy like a soap bubble by wobbling them though.

That's pre-echo.  It's certainly not deliberate, just one of the kinds of distortion that ocurred with analog tape and records.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Bogey on March 11, 2014, 07:07:47 PM
As posted on the Haydn thread:

Well, did some vinyl treasure hunting tonight and came up with two beauties on the Hugaroton label.

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This above box set has #'s 42-53 on it played on piano.  So far quite nice, as the vinyl is pristine. I cannot find any sign of these specific recordings having made it to cd.  If you know of them on disc, let me know.

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/BillandLinda/IMG_1305_zps2bdb967d.jpg)

This next set (#'s54-62) does have a disc release, though the disc, unlike the album set, is missing #'s 57, 58, and 61.

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8d/ce/5a05828fd7a092b059765110.L._SY300_.jpg)

Pricey little goomers on Ebay.  I could grab a Volume 2 for $49, but that ain't going to happen.  If you come across a 1, 2, or 5 for dirt ( a few bucks), IM me and I might grab it from you if you do not mind.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 24, 2014, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: zmic on January 02, 2014, 07:30:34 AM
On some of those Nonesuch records you can read that they are reissues of recordings on obscure French labels. So maybe Nonesuch no longer have the rights, or even the original tapes?

This may be an example:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bNUdAFmCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Luciano Sgrizzi plays Scarlatti. I've never seen this one on CD. Apparently he recorded some for Erato, but I don't know if this is licensed from Erato, or if it's original to Nonesuch.

Very fine record on the whole. These old Nonesuches are great from the tactile POV, thick and solid vinyl.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 27, 2014, 02:40:10 PM
Quote from: Velimir on March 24, 2014, 05:20:26 PM
This may be an example:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bNUdAFmCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Luciano Sgrizzi plays Scarlatti. I've never seen this one on CD. Apparently he recorded some for Erato, but I don't know if this is licensed from Erato, or if it's original to Nonesuch.

Very fine record on the whole. These old Nonesuches are great from the tactile POV, thick and solid vinyl.

It was reissued on the Accord label, though the sound of the harpsichord seems to lose some of its charm on CD.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: aukhawk on March 27, 2014, 03:30:32 PM
QuoteAt a certain point I basically stopped buying RCA. I could hear things happen before they happened, which I gather was a deliberate bit of "pre distortion" designed for less sensitive needles.
Quote from: Daverz on March 11, 2014, 11:08:36 AM
That's pre-echo.  It's certainly not deliberate, just one of the kinds of distortion that ocurred with analog tape and records.

Different other thing.  Pre-echo could happen (on any label) but it's not what RCA's "Dynagroove" was about. 
Dynagroove was an attempt to anticipate, reverse-engineer and compensate for, things like tracing distortion - and yes, probably the better your record player, the worse less effective it was.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on March 27, 2014, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: aukhawk on March 27, 2014, 03:30:32 PM
Different other thing.  Pre-echo could happen (on any label) but it's not what RCA's "Dynagroove" was about. 

I'm not sure why you think I was saying that.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Ken B on March 27, 2014, 05:03:37 PM
Quote from: aukhawk on March 27, 2014, 03:30:32 PM
Different other thing.  Pre-echo could happen (on any label) but it's not what RCA's "Dynagroove" was about. 
Dynagroove was an attempt to anticipate, reverse-engineer and compensate for, things like tracing distortion - and yes, probably the better your record player, the worse less effective it was.
I was the first poster quoted there. Yeah, that's why I thought. Not normal preecho but a deliberately induced one to compensate for low end needles. Anyway, it worse on RCA it seemed to me.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on April 17, 2014, 11:29:42 AM
I've been exploring Messiaen's organ music a bit. This recording of Les Corps Glorieux by Simon Preston, on Argo, has captivated me:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519XbKtpQKL._SL500_SY300_.jpg)

I've done a bit of research, and this seems to be LP only. Possibly it was reissued as part of some big box, but if so I'm unaware of it.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: snyprrr on April 20, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
I'm here for the Fetish Joke!
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on April 24, 2014, 10:00:06 AM
We were discussing Martinu's 5th and last PC over on his thread. It made me think of this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61vHWB21VHL._SL500_SX300_.jpg)

Anyone remember the Pro Arte label, which flourished for a brief moment around 1980 or so? Apparently a lot of their records were licensed from European labels, notably Supraphon. That is the case here. This record nicely fills a gap in my collection, as I lacked both the 5th PC and the 2-Piano Cto.

Not sure if this one has been reissued; certainly I've never seen it anywhere else.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 01, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
Unicorn Records played a little joke on me today. I recently acquired a rather obscure LP, violin sonatas by Elgar and Walton, played by the Weiss Duo:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Cn6YDWFJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I put on the Elgar Sonata - a piece I had heard once or twice before. I was enjoying the rather impressionistic, rambling music, when several minutes in, I started to think "hey, this doesn't sound like Elgar." Turns out the labels on the record were reversed.

Funny to think that a person just getting to know these composers or pieces might, in theory, go for years thinking that Elgar wrote the Walton sonata, and vice versa. Makes me wonder if I've been misled in this way before?
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on June 15, 2014, 11:22:40 AM
The Nonesuch retrospective continues, with this scintillating bargain from the 50-cent rack.

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Josquin's secular music, including a sizeable number of instrumental snippets. This gives you a different view of the composer, showing his "pop" side as it were. Forces under the direction of that early music maverick, Joshua Rifkin. Featuring Richard Taruskin (yes, the musicologist) on viol.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Mandryka on June 28, 2014, 05:44:07 AM
Does anyone have Kovacevich playing Book 6 of mikrokosmos? Or does anyone see a copy for sale? If so I will happily have it comverted to a digital format at my expense.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on July 05, 2014, 12:00:50 PM
Bundled together in a box, here are Haitink's Amsterdam recordings of Bruckner 8 and 9, made in the early 1980s.

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These were issued at some point on CD, but long ago, and have become increasingly difficult to find. When Philips started re-issuing Haitink's Bruckner on Duos, they used the earlier recordings from the 60s/70s, and these highly praised remakes went by the wayside.

Now that Philips' catalogue has been subsumed into Decca, who knows if we'll ever see these again? Which is a shame, because they are among the best Bruckner recordings I've ever heard by anyone. The 9th in particular is my overall favorite performance of all time; it's one of those treasurable recordings where absolutely everything seems to go right. The 8th is also excellent; if maybe not quite at that same exalted level, it's preferable to most versions I've heard by big-deal Brucknerites like Karajan et al. A couple of late triumphs of the gramophone.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 22, 2015, 06:59:01 AM
Time to update this thread with more vinyl-only discoveries. Like this one:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51gcBCMV9eL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

LvB Op. 132 played by Collegium Aureum Quartet, from the 1970s. I was alerted to this one by somebody's posts here, praising this record. It's a very pleasing performance, rather subdued but with a lot of subtlety and nuance and plenty of detail. If you have a more high-powered version, this one would form a nice contrast. However, it doesn't sound particularly HIP to me, despite CA's reputation as one of the pioneers of HIP.

Never reissued in any form, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Jo498 on May 22, 2015, 08:23:11 AM
I have never seen that op.132 on CD (not sure if I ever saw it on LP, I think I saw their "Death and Maiden").

There are a fair number of Collegium Aureum chamber recordings, they did Haydn's op.76, some Schubert and a lot of Mozart. Of the Mozart some appeared on CD, I have both the flute quartets with Kuijken as well as clarinet/oboe/horn quintets and the String trio K 563. The Schubert trout (with Demus) appeared in a dhm "romantic" box a year or two ago.

I'd probably buy a box if the Schubert, Haydn, Beethoven and what else there is of CA chamber music was put together but I seriously doubt that this will ever be the case.

As a larger ensemble the CA recorded a LOT of baroque and Mozart (most of the serenades, wind concerti, about 8 symphonies, a half dozen piano concerti w/ Demus) and some of the more popular things had several CD incarnations. But most of the more interesting and chamber stuff never made it to CD.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 22, 2015, 09:33:09 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on May 22, 2015, 08:23:11 AM
As a larger ensemble the CA recorded a LOT of baroque and Mozart (most of the serenades, wind concerti, about 8 symphonies, a half dozen piano concerti w/ Demus) and some of the more popular things had several CD incarnations. But most of the more interesting and chamber stuff never made it to CD.

Yeah, it's a bit of a mystery. They're a well-known group, and this is a good performance (I just listened to it again).
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 24, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 05, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
Poor Charles Ives: a lot of good recordings of his work are absent on CD. For instance,

this one, on Columbia:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71yI9hMnpFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Side 1 features the Piano Trio, with the team of Kalish-Zukofsky-Sylvester, while Side 2 showcases a collection of marginal yet fascinating Ives chamber pieces. It's interesting to compare this performance of the trio with the other one featuring Kalish with Yo-Yo Ma. This early one is more folksy and eccentric-sounding, while the later version is more in the spirit of generic modernism, yet still quite powerful in its own way.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Jay F on May 24, 2015, 02:15:42 PM
Decca is getting back into vinyl. I haven't bought any, but someone mentioned Decca upthread.

http://zaphod.uk.vvhp.net/viewemail?con=4820699&cmp=9907&act=406532&subj=0&sec=76146f0f6960&webversionpage=1
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Todd on May 24, 2015, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: Jay F on May 24, 2015, 02:15:42 PMDecca is getting back into vinyl.


Indeed they are.  From the DG site of future releases:

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UMG started reissuing old recordings and issuing new recordings in vinyl a few years back, and the DG site, in particular, lists 47 titles, including the new Schubert Ninth from Abbado and the recent Sokolov release.

Japan has even more options, like the Faust/Melnikov LvB violin sonata set that was recently issued on vinyl.  It's still just a niche of a niche of a specialized category, though.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: vandermolen on May 25, 2015, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
I can't call myself a Pettersson fan, but I enjoyed spinning this pioneering recording of the dyspeptic Swede's 8th Symphony again, after many years during which it was moldering in the basement:

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Multiple things to provoke nostalgia here. An American orchestra records music by a still-living European composer, on an established label. Although apparently this was originally issued on a label called Polar, which I'd never heard of before, DG deserves credit for picking it up and giving it wider circulation.

Along with the 7th, this is one of the Pettersson symphonies that I more or less like. It helps that it's split into 2 movements, giving you a brief respite from the anguish. The Baltimoreans play pretty well, tho' I wouldn't exactly call them world class. The conductor, Commissiona, recorded other works of Pettersson, but I think this is the only one he did on this side of the ocean.

I have that Pettersson LP - it was very exciting when it came out on DGG all those years ago - a very unexpected release on such a major label. Never on CD  ???
My other candidates are:
Bax Symphony 3 LSO Downes (RCA) - the best recorded performance of this great work IMHO.
Khachaturian Symphony 1 LSO Tjeknavorian (RCA) - by far the best version, much better than his ASV version - never on CD either.
Miaskovsky Symphony 21 with Rimsky Korsakov Symphony 2 'Antar' Morton Gould, Chicago SO (RCA).
RCA have a lot to answer for!


Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 25, 2015, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 25, 2015, 09:05:47 AM
I have that Pettersson LP - it was very exciting when it came out on DGG all those years ago - a very unexpected release on such a major label. Never on CD  ???

I suspect the reason it was never reissued is that DG doesn't have the rights to it. As noted, it was originally produced for a Swedish label called Polar. DG then licensed it. So it may be stuck on vinyl forever!

Kind of ironic that I said I wasn't a Pettersson fan in my original post. It was listening to this record again, after many years of neglect, that got me to appreciate Pettersson again.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: vandermolen on May 25, 2015, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 25, 2015, 09:27:33 AM
I suspect the reason it was never reissued is that DG doesn't have the rights to it. As noted, it was originally produced for a Swedish label called Polar. DG then licensed it. So it may be stuck on vinyl forever!

Kind of ironic that I said I wasn't a Pettersson fan in my original post. It was listening to this record again, after many years of neglect, that got me to appreciate Pettersson again.

Interesting about the Swedish Polar Bear problem - thanks. I had the Dorati LP of Symphony 7 out of my local record library in London in my youth - I greatly enjoyed it and subsequently came to enjoy the Kamu LP on Symphony 6 on CBS - also never issued on CD as far as I'm aware and it is the best performance of that 'long struggle towards the sunlight' conclusion - one of my favourite moments in Pettersson. Do you know the Violin Concerto No.2 - Pettersson's masterpiece I think; the last few minutes are heart- breakingly moving. I discovered it on a Caprice LP, which, I'm pleased to say, has made it to CD - one of the great Pettersson discs.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 25, 2015, 01:47:03 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 25, 2015, 12:35:10 PM
Interesting about the Swedish Polar Bear problem - thanks. I had the Dorati LP of Symphony 7 out of my local record library in London in my youth - I greatly enjoyed it and subsequently came to enjoy the Kamu LP on Symphony 6 on CBS - also never issued on CD as far as I'm aware and it is the best performance of that 'long struggle towards the sunlight' conclusion - one of my favourite moments in Pettersson. Do you know the Violin Concerto No.2 - Pettersson's masterpiece I think; the last few minutes are heart- breakingly moving. I discovered it on a Caprice LP, which, I'm pleased to say, has made it to CD - one of the great Pettersson discs.

I figure if I run into that Kamu recording in my local secondhand shop I will buy it, but otherwise I won't go tracking it down, since I'm happy with Lindberg's recording of the 6th.

I bought the CPO issue of the 2nd VC a while ago. I'm aware that Pettersson fans regard this piece highly, but I'm still waiting for the right mood to listen to it.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: vandermolen on May 25, 2015, 11:39:56 PM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 25, 2015, 01:47:03 PM
I figure if I run into that Kamu recording in my local secondhand shop I will buy it, but otherwise I won't go tracking it down, since I'm happy with Lindberg's recording of the 6th.

I bought the CPO issue of the 2nd VC a while ago. I'm aware that Pettersson fans regard this piece highly, but I'm still waiting for the right mood to listen to it.

The Kamu is worth getting hold of - I think that it is the best version. Hope you enjoy the VC No.2 when you get there.  :)
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 31, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
These two LPs were reissued as part of a CD Vox Box, but I've never seen them on an individual CD issue. They're from the Turnabout "Contemporary Composer in the USA" series.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518fVgqAzbL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

The 7th Symphony by Schuman, while it does not rank as highly in my estimation as the 3rd or 6th, is still a powerful industrial-sounding piece, with a characteristic mid-century American sound. Is Abravanel/Utah one of the great underrated conductor-orchestra combos? Sure sounds like it, based on this performance. I haven't yet bothered to listen to the Rorem symphony on Side B.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P7Lg-5FFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Hanson's 6th Symphony - an uncharacteristically tight and modern-sounding piece from this composer - is the highlight. The no-name suburban orchestra (Music for Westchester) does an OK job, but it would be interesting to compare this with the only other recording of this work, by Seattle/Schwarz. A fine symphony that definitely deserves more attention than it gets.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: vandermolen on June 05, 2015, 08:14:22 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 31, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
These two LPs were reissued as part of a CD Vox Box, but I've never seen them on an individual CD issue. They're from the Turnabout "Contemporary Composer in the USA" series.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518fVgqAzbL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

The 7th Symphony by Schuman, while it does not rank as highly in my estimation as the 3rd or 6th, is still a powerful industrial-sounding piece, with a characteristic mid-century American sound. Is Abravanel/Utah one of the great underrated conductor-orchestra combos? Sure sounds like it, based on this performance. I haven't yet bothered to listen to the Rorem symphony on Side B.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P7Lg-5FFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Hanson's 6th Symphony - an uncharacteristically tight and modern-sounding piece from this composer - is the highlight. The no-name suburban orchestra (Music for Westchester) does an OK job, but it would be interesting to compare this with the only other recording of this work, by Seattle/Schwarz. A fine symphony that definitely deserves more attention than it gets.

Very much agree with you about the Hanson symphony - one of my favourites along with 1,3 and 4.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2019, 08:35:50 AM
We're back!

E. Power Biggs was undoubtedly one of the biggest and most powerful organists of the 20th century (I've heard that he was Columbia's No. 2 seller for a while, after Bernstein). So it's a mystery why his legacy is treated so spottily on CD. This excellent record has never been reissued:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81A%2BVHZeEPL._SX522_.jpg)

Sweelinck variation sets - good stuff for fans of early keyboard music.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: aligreto on December 18, 2019, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2019, 08:35:50 AM
We're back!

E. Power Biggs was undoubtedly one of the biggest and most powerful organists of the 20th century (I've heard that he was Columbia's No. 2 seller for a while, after Bernstein). So it's a mystery why his legacy is treated so spottily on CD. This excellent record has never been reissued:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81A%2BVHZeEPL._SX522_.jpg)

Sweelinck variation sets - good stuff for fans of early keyboard music.

I agree on E. Power Biggs being a force. I have a small collection of his vinyl and I enjoy every one of them.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Let's continue with the early keyboard theme. Here's a harpsichordist previously unknown to me, Aimee van der Wiele, playing some F. Couperin:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91cG9vLUeFL._AC_UY436_QL65_ML3_.jpg)

Yes, it's another stranded Nonesuch. This one set me back $1.50. It was worth it, nice tangy tone on the harpsichord, not the tinny tone that puts me off.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Carlo Gesualdo on December 19, 2019, 08:36:21 PM
Ladies & misters
I found hhow to make my Lp player have a brend new like Jesus dones to Lazarus I brought the thing back to life, neat hey

So I'm listening to my 50''-60''-70'' vinyls, to my knowledge the sound was better back than, these were the golden years of the vinyl era until 1973 but in some case some label would put out these thick petrol ,voluminous whit incredible sounds mono or stereo look I have a bunch of 50'' vinyl were fabulous, like 660'' were high quality until 1973 but in rare case they would keep on doing these ultra thick we all like...until 1977, if I'm accurate, I'm enjoying A josquin desprez split whit none other than Lassus (Label concert hall recording) ensemble concert hall form N.Y nyc, the big apple's.
I meaning how amazing this vinyl is a grail to be for sure, what about Grail number 2 well my Monteverdi split of Italian madrigals whit Monteverdi & Gesualdo, I have a bunch of old Gesualdo old Lp lol

Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Daverz on December 19, 2019, 11:07:06 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 25, 2015, 09:05:47 AM
Miaskovsky Symphony 21 with Rimsky Korsakov Symphony 2 'Antar' Morton Gould, Chicago SO (RCA).
RCA have a lot to answer for!

You probably know this already, but the Gould Miaskovsky and Antar are in RCA's Gould box and sound wonderful.

[asin]B017E52YWA[/asin]
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: prémont on December 20, 2019, 01:49:07 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 18, 2019, 08:35:50 AM
E. Power Biggs was undoubtedly one of the biggest and most powerful organists of the 20th century (I've heard that he was Columbia's No. 2 seller for a while, after Bernstein). So it's a mystery why his legacy is treated so spottily on CD. This excellent record has never been reissued:

I only own some of his Bach recordings (organ and pedal harpsichord). His playing is not without interest, but maybe the problem is that it is a bit old-fashioned, as is the harpsichord he plays. He was more visionary as to the organs he chose.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 20, 2019, 08:24:32 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on December 20, 2019, 01:49:07 AM
I only own some of his Bach recordings (organ and pedal harpsichord). His playing is not without interest, but maybe the problem is that it is a bit old-fashioned, as is the harpsichord he plays. He was more visionary as to the organs he chose.

Yeah, I recently picked up an LP of him playing the organ at the Thomaskirche in Leipzig. Sounds great. I don't know if this one has been reissued.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: aligreto on December 20, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
My take on this is that E. Power Biggs should not be allowed to dissolve into the dark recesses of the Vinyl Vault. 
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: prémont on December 20, 2019, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: aligreto on December 20, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
My take on this is that E. Power Biggs should not be allowed to dissolve into the dark recesses of the Vinyl Vault.

We can easily agree on that.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 20, 2019, 10:12:07 AM
And here's another nice stranded early keyboard recording:

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Igor Kipnis plays English harpsichord music - hits by Byrd, Farnaby, Purcell and others.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: prémont on December 20, 2019, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 20, 2019, 08:24:32 AM
Yeah, I recently picked up an LP of him playing the organ at the Thomaskirche in Leipzig. Sounds great. I don't know if this one has been reissued.

His discography is indeed impressive and his repertoire was extensive. Already in the 1940es he recorded a lot of Bach (among others excerpts from the AoF). The early recordings were mostly made on neo-baroque organs in the USA, And already in the 1950es he began to record on European historical organs, most of them not yet properly restored. Some of his recordings have been released on CD, but only a few compared to the many LPs which were released. He must have been of great importance to the embryonic organ movement in the USA, but in my country (and probably most of the rest of Europe) his LPs were as well as unavailable.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/870631-E-Power-Biggs?page=1
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: aligreto on December 20, 2019, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on December 20, 2019, 09:59:43 AM
We can easily agree on that.

Hopefully that is a universally held sentiment.

Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: prémont on December 20, 2019, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 20, 2019, 10:12:07 AM
And here's another nice stranded early keyboard recording:

(https://img.discogs.com/yxR2CP_4TE3eerYkl18zPxqU0vM=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-6044423-1437227772-5528.jpeg.jpg)

Igor Kipnis plays English harpsichord music - hits by Byrd, Farnaby, Purcell and others.

His recordings were also almost unavailable in my country. I have heard only a few, and they didn't engage me that much.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 23, 2019, 01:58:52 PM
Charles Ives: The 100th Anniversary

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This lavish 5-LP box put together by Columbia in 1974 is the sort of luxury item that makes record collecting fun. Some of the performances here are well-known and easily available (the Bernstein/NY stuff, obviously, but I'm not sure if everything here has been reissued (and if so, certainly not in one convenient box)). The "Ives Plays Ives" and "Charles Ives Remembered" records are certainly fascinating and unusual items.

You can see the full list of contents here:

https://www.discogs.com/Charles-Ives-The-100th-Anniversary/release/3539774
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: geralmar on January 05, 2020, 06:41:21 PM
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1959

The 1812/Bolero reissue is in Vol. 3 of the Living Stereo CD box sets.  However, in remastering the 1812 for the set the tapes with the cannon and bells could not be found; hence the CD reissue is without them.  If one wants the 1812 with cannon and bells the out of print L.P. is the only option.
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Carlo Gesualdo on January 10, 2020, 05:24:41 AM
This is what I'm all about this year, vinyl worship I purchased four LP and a box-set that incredible.

Archiv Produktion LP  remain a great favorite

I bought firstly, Gregorian  Godehard Joppich, sounds amazing, for only 5$

Secondly I put my hands on Music Music of the Gothic era
By The Early Music Consort of London- David (Munrow direction)
This Box-set is awesome not just look great be sounds great and explore  the Gothic Era quite well:
Leonin Perotin, Motets of Montpellier codex and Bamberg (Hoquetus), is this sweet are what, to finish in Ars Vetus whit Machaut and buddy.

Tercio on Seraphim I took Dufay  Missa Se la Face ay Pale +songs, neato, love Dufay!!!

Quatro, Music of court of Burgundy, whit old song of Franco-Flemish lesser know(yes!!).

Than cinquo finally, I stumble on a Pierre Boulezzz rendition of the fameous Pierrot Lunaire opus.27 on EVEREST record,, and the singer narrator voice flow wonderfully whit instrumental part, what a delight, I never though I would appreciate this work like I do now, before the voice of each  singers use to annoy me, here it's pleasant, my favorite Pierrot Lunaire opus.27 since forever and the vinyl is thick has a great  sounds overall.

This was my recent vinyl exploration,what else can I says super!!!

I wonder if you folks heard these so far?
Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: vandermolen on January 10, 2020, 09:27:44 AM
Quote from: Daverz on December 19, 2019, 11:07:06 PM
You probably know this already, but the Gould Miaskovsky and Antar are in RCA's Gould box and sound wonderful.

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Thanks yes. As soon as I was aware of this I had to dash out to buy the box set in a mad panic. Gould's performance of Symphony No. 21 is the best IMO. It was after all commissioned for the Chicago SO. It's a fabulous set, especially as they reproduce the colourfully exotic/psychedelic/oriental LP sleeve in a mini CD version:
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Title: Re: Vinyl Explorations
Post by: Carlo Gesualdo on January 12, 2020, 05:36:07 AM
Archiv Produktion vinyl a disivion of deutsch gramophone has killer releases.

We should talk about them too.
I love  this label!