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Title: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: snyprrr on January 01, 2017, 06:47:13 PM
I have the Historic Recording of his 2nd String Quartet, a big work, quite as subtle as war-torn Faure might be. I don't have that handy (Loewenguth SQ; Mandala), but I do recall endless streams of thought. Faurean.

I waaas curious if anyone had perused the Martin Jones/Nimbus Bos of 'Complete Piano Music'. I imagine that if you've got a yearning for "more" Faure, this would be the place to go. No piece is younger than the early '20s. What do you say?
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: The new erato on January 01, 2017, 09:02:06 PM
I have the Historic Recording of his 2nd String Quartet, a big work, quite as subtle as war-torn Faure might be. I don't have that handy (Loewenguth SQ; Mandala), but I do recall endless streams of thought. Faurean.

I waaas curious if anyone had perused the Martin Jones/Nimbus Bos of 'Complete Piano Music'. I imagine that if you've got a yearning for "more" Faure, this would be the place to go. No piece is younger than the early '20s. What do you say?
I see Jens has it amongst his "Best of 2016" recommendations.
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: snyprrr on January 05, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
I see Jens has it amongst his "Best of 2016" recommendations.

That's what prompted me... those Nimbus/Jones sets are very oddly "you muuust come buy me, even if you've never heard meeee..."... Martin Jones also has a Hans Gal set...

But I do recommend that SQ by Leowenguth as a Historic... JR-D does carry the Faure well...
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: snyprrr on January 05, 2017, 05:14:53 PM
I see Jens has it amongst his "Best of 2016" recommendations.

lol, does your new avatar indicate that you've been putting on weight? I always picture you as skinny Finn :o :laugh:
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: 71 dB on January 06, 2017, 01:05:57 AM
I'm a fan of Fauré but I have not heard about Jean Roger-Ducasse before. I'm now listening to his orchestral works on Spotify (Segerstam). I can understand why Roger-Ducasse isn't very well known. The music isn't as first rate as his teacher's. It struggles to be second rate. Or maybe I am struggling to understand this genius?
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: The new erato on January 06, 2017, 01:25:23 AM
lol, does your new avatar indicate that you've been putting on weight? I always picture you as skinny Finn :o :laugh:
I'm neither a Finn nor skinny.....! The avatar was a result of a temporary craze in these parts for cartoon avatars, it's a very popular Norwegian cartoon figure. And I drink mostly wine, not beer!
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: pjme on January 06, 2017, 03:52:11 AM
I'm a fan of Fauré but I have not heard about Jean Roger-Ducasse before. I'm now listening to his orchestral works on Spotify (Segerstam). I can understand why Roger-Ducasse isn't very well known. The music isn't as first rate as his teacher's. It struggles to be second rate. Or maybe I am struggling to understand this genius?

Too little of Roger-Ducasse's music is available/recorded/performed to make a coherent assessment, I think.  From what I've heard (mainly the Segerstam recordings) he seems to lack indeed the brillant personality of Fauré, Debussy, Ravel .
Moreover, in his old age he grew bitter , refused to keep contact with the press and the musical world in Paris.
On top of that he clearly showed admiration for Charles Maurras (Wiki:Charles-Marie-Photius Maurras (French: [ʃaʁl moʁas]; 20 April 1868 – 16 November 1952) was a French author, poet, and critic. He was an organizer and principal philosopher of Action Française, a political movement that was monarchist, anti-parliamentarist, and counter-revolutionary. Maurras' ideas greatly influenced National Catholicism and "nationalisme intégral". A major tenet of integral nationalism was stated by Maurras as "a true nationalist places his country above everything". A political theorist and a major intellectual influence in early 20th-century Europe, his views anticipated some of the ideas of fascism.)
No wonder Roger-Ducasse was forgotten after WW2....( Cfr. Florent Schmitt, Joseph Canteloube...).

Yet there is undeniably austere charm and darkish poetry in this music. I definitely would love to hear Cantegril or Orphée, Le chant des sirènes... Le Jardin de Marguerite.

P.


Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: snyprrr on January 06, 2017, 06:02:12 AM
I'm neither a Finn nor skinny.....! The avatar was a result of a temporary craze in these parts for cartoon avatars, it's a very popular Norwegian cartoon figure. And I drink mostly wine, not beer!

I meant to say Norwegian, lol ???

Too little of Roger-Ducasse's music is available/recorded/performed to make a coherent assessment, I think.  From what I've heard (mainly the Segerstam recordings) he seems to lack indeed the brillant personality of Fauré, Debussy, Ravel .
Moreover, in his old age he grew bitter , refused to keep contact with the press and the musical world in Paris.
On top of that he clearly showed admiration for Charles Maurras (Wiki:Charles-Marie-Photius Maurras (French: [ʃaʁl moʁas]; 20 April 1868 – 16 November 1952) was a French author, poet, and critic. He was an organizer and principal philosopher of Action Française, a political movement that was monarchist, anti-parliamentarist, and counter-revolutionary. Maurras' ideas greatly influenced National Catholicism and "nationalisme intégral". A major tenet of integral nationalism was stated by Maurras as "a true nationalist places his country above everything". A political theorist and a major intellectual influence in early 20th-century Europe, his views anticipated some of the ideas of fascism.)
No wonder Roger-Ducasse was forgotten after WW2....( Cfr. Florent Schmitt, Joseph Canteloube...).

Yet there is undeniably austere charm and darkish poetry in this music. I definitely would love to hear Cantegril or Orphée, Le chant des sirènes... Le Jardin de Marguerite.

P.




very interesting
Title: Jean Roger-Ducasse Discussed
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on January 06, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
Jean Roger-Ducasse Discussed


I see Jens has it amongst his "Best of 2016" recommendations.
Indeed:

(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jenslaurson/files/2017/01/Forbes-Best-Classical-Recordings-of-2016-N09-Roger-Ducasse_Martin-Jones_Nimbus_laurson-1200x470.jpg?width=960) (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jenslaurson/2017/01/01/the-10-best-classical-recordings-of-2016-new-releases/#207026276802)

Latest on Forbes:

The 10 Best Classical Recordings Of 2016 (New Releases)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1HzdAWXgAArnYh.jpg)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jenslaurson/2017/01/01/the-10-best-classical-recordings-of-2016-new-releases/#7799de0e6802 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jenslaurson/2017/01/01/the-10-best-classical-recordings-of-2016-new-releases/#7799de0e6802)
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: The new erato on January 06, 2017, 10:32:41 PM
I got a Wyastone 40% voucher and ordered it from their website even though it probably is a CDR.
Title: Re: Faure's Favourite Pupil: Jean Roger-Ducasse
Post by: snyprrr on January 07, 2017, 07:14:50 AM
I got a Wyastone 40% voucher and ordered it from their website even though it probably is a CDR.

Listened to some of the piano pieces on YT last night. Mmmm... eh... yea, a bit like Faure, but I don't know, maybe just not my cup of tea. 3CDs might be a bit much for me...

Thinking about scuttling the good ship JR-D...