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Title: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: samuel on August 01, 2008, 03:05:14 AM
I've always considered this sublime work to be Schubert's crowning achievement. I'm just wondering, what recordings do you guys like???
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Opus106 on August 01, 2008, 03:07:16 AM
I have only one. It is part of the eight-CD set from DG. (but it can also purchased as a single CD)
Emerson SQ w/ Rostropovich. I love what I have, though
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Moldyoldie on August 01, 2008, 03:42:08 AM
I've heard and loved several, but the one that really "sends" me is by The Lindsay Quartet + Douglas Cummings. 0:)  Intonation and ensemble aren't exemplary, but....
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Daverz on August 01, 2008, 04:08:59 AM
The Alberni Quartet: http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-String-Quintet-Major-163-D956/dp/B000027Q0D/
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: ChamberNut on August 01, 2008, 04:21:15 AM
Quote from: opus67 on August 01, 2008, 03:07:16 AM
Emerson SQ w/ Rostropovich.

I also have this one.  One of my favorite and most listened to CDs.  Love it!  :)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: dirkronk on August 01, 2008, 06:01:52 AM
I have several on CD:
- Casals & colleagues at the Prades Festival on Sony
- Starker w/ Kim, Nikkanin, Johnson & Bailey on Delos
- Hollywood SQ on Testament
- Hungarian SQ+ Varga on EMI

The Casals and the Hollywood are the ones I play most often. Neither is new in terms of recording, but both are gorgeous and utterly captivating IMO. The Casals is a bit "gutsier" in presentation and the Hollywood a bit more refined, but I wouldn't want to do without either. In fact, I had both on LP long before I purchased their CD transfers...and I still keep the vinyl today.
Whatever other newer versions you may end up with, I'd urge you to at least listen to one of these.

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: samuel on August 01, 2008, 08:01:45 AM
the only recording i currently own is the abq/schiff from the early 80s, which i love, but since i love this work so much i wanted to check out one or two more recordings. dirkronk, is the hollywood the one that comes with schoenberg's verklarte nacht? this recording seems very intriguing since i'm curious to hear verklarte nacht played by a chamber ensemble since my only recording of it is the orchestral version.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Opus106 on August 01, 2008, 10:13:23 AM
Quote from: Samuel on August 01, 2008, 08:01:45 AM
i'm curious to hear verklarte nacht played by a chamber ensemble since my only recording of it is the orchestral version.

I too want to get a chamber version of the Verklarte Nacht, but till then, I listen to the one here.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=shoenberg+string+sextet+oxy151268&search_type=&aq=f
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: not edward on August 01, 2008, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: Samuel on August 01, 2008, 08:01:45 AM
the only recording i currently own is the abq/schiff from the early 80s, which i love, but since i love this work so much i wanted to check out one or two more recordings. dirkronk, is the hollywood the one that comes with schoenberg's verklarte nacht? this recording seems very intriguing since i'm curious to hear verklarte nacht played by a chamber ensemble since my only recording of it is the orchestral version.
It is. Both performances are pretty close to self-recommending as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Holden on August 01, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Samuel on August 01, 2008, 08:01:45 AM
the only recording i currently own is the abq/schiff from the early 80s, which i love, but since i love this work so much i wanted to check out one or two more recordings. dirkronk, is the hollywood the one that comes with schoenberg's verklarte nacht? this recording seems very intriguing since i'm curious to hear verklarte nacht played by a chamber ensemble since my only recording of it is the orchestral version.

This recording is also my recommendation and the Verklate Nacht is truely beautiful in chamber form.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Que on August 01, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
It's HIP and it's absolutely great:


(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/2e/f1/fa5fc060ada030e3aaaa9110.L.jpg)

My second favourite happens to be HIP as well:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41T4FTABX1L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Q
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: dirkronk on August 01, 2008, 03:22:28 PM
Quote from: Holden on August 01, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
This recording is also my recommendation and the Verklate Nacht is truely beautiful in chamber form.

Samuel, listen to edward and Holden (and me): get the Hollywood disc. Both pieces are fabulous. In fact, I have the Verklarte Nacht in two other chamber renditions, and the Hollywood Qt. is still my favorite in that piece, as well.

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 01, 2008, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Que on August 01, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
It's HIP and it's absolutely great:


(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/2e/f1/fa5fc060ada030e3aaaa9110.L.jpg)

Q


I have several versions, but 2 that I listen far more often than any of the others. This one that Q rec's is my favorite, hands down. The sound of the instruments is just chillingly wonderful. The other, on modern instruments, has also been mentioned, although my disk is the single, not the set. That would be the Emersons and Rostro on DG. Although it lacks the wonderful sonorities of the gutty Strads, the playing is exceptional, and IMO they hit all the tempi just right. So my requisites are satisfied, one great modern performance, one great HIP one. :)

8)


----------------
Listening to:
Orchestre de Chambre Salieri (Tamas Pal) - Vanhal, Jan Krtitel (1739-1813) - Vanhal Symphony in F 2nd mvmt - Andante cantabile
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: val on August 02, 2008, 12:19:22 AM
To me the great versions are the Weller Quartet with Gurtler, perhaps the most natural and with a sublime phrasing, and the more dramatic and tense version of the Juilliard with Greenhouse (one of the most inspired recordings ever made by the Juilliard).

The Amadeus with Pleeth would be in third place.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: mozartsneighbor on August 02, 2008, 05:17:21 AM
The 2 I listen to most often have already been recommended:
-- The Hollywood Qt., which does indeed come with a great Verklarte Nacht
-- and the Lindsay Qt., also very good
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Bunny on August 07, 2008, 07:35:10 AM
I find myself listening to the Alban Berg Quartet/Heinrich Schiff recording when I want modern instruments.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417JYA2NH8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: mjwal on August 12, 2008, 10:51:29 AM
The Casals and the Hollywood, OK, the former (my second after a cheap Saga LP that wasn't bad)  more moving, the latter more beautiful and refined. I do like the Villa Musica performance on Naxos too, sharper, better sound as well - one of the Naxos dark horses. Then a more recent rich recording for wallowing in I have Stern, Ma & co on Sony. Also on Sony was a Marlboro Festival recording with Pamela Frank, Felix Galimir etc, magnificent.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: ChamberNut on July 23, 2009, 06:34:15 PM
Bump!  There should be at least 50 pages on posts on this thread!  0:)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: snyprrr on July 23, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
Really!! 8)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: snyprrr on July 23, 2009, 07:38:21 PM
ok, so someone tell me, please...

I had "heard" that late Schubert was the way to go, but I must have been confused, because I went for the SQs and was bewildered by everyone's praise of the "heavenly length," and the yadayada...

so, then of course I realize that it's the Quintet everyone talking about...so,then... it's the real deal? Is it exactly what I envision it to be: impossibly beautiful melody undulating for an hour? It's a quantum leap from D887?
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Herman on July 23, 2009, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on July 23, 2009, 07:38:21 PM
It's a quantum leap from D887?

Nu, it comes from the same mind. It's from the same creative phase.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: DavidW on July 24, 2009, 05:26:16 AM
Snips, you are just going to have to listen and judge for yourself. :)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Jay F on July 24, 2009, 03:40:13 PM
I am now listening to the Melos Quartet with Rostopovich, which I like very much.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Florestan on July 27, 2009, 12:49:19 AM
I have the Melos Quartett / Mstislav Rostropovich version and I just love it.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Valentino on July 27, 2009, 01:02:24 AM
Lindsays with Cummings is good (superb slow mvt.), but technically somewhat sloppy, yes.
L'archibudelli is super too.

But this is atomic and my absolute favourite:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51N751D4B8L._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Op-133-Schubert-String-Quintet/dp/B000025EIZ
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: snyprrr on January 22, 2010, 11:20:31 AM
Well, I was flippin through the same tired stuff at the local library when, huh?, there it was. Great, I thought, now we can finally hear the Great Missing Link! More on performance later; I just want to give you my impressions of the music, since I have not warmed to Schubert particularly (sacre bleu!), and eeeveryone says this is the greatest piece of music ever written.

So, I'm walking to the car and thinking about how you all will "judge" my listening. Yea, mind you, I'm NOT thinking about the music, haha. Anyhow, from everything I've read about the "heavenly length" and all this otherwoldly placidity and melodic blah blah and, you know, all the tired words everyone uses to describe this piece. Well, you know I didn't really "get" D.887, and "y'all" said that D.956 was in a different world altogether than any Schubert, or anything else for that matter, so, I figured...

well, THIS is what I figured,... that D.956 was gonna be Bruckner's 10th Symphony for String Quintet (cue fanfare). I had totally pictured the slow mvmt. in my head as some glacial, placid lake music that lasted for 25mins. I was actually surprised when I looked and the piece was only 55mins, haha!

So, the first mvmt begins...

ok, within a couple of minutes I'm thinking, Wait a minute, those guys totally lied, this is just more Schuuubert!!! I hear the same "drama",... hey, this is Romantic Music! :o ok, so now I've got my "hate" on >:D, but,... then,... it,...js... keeps,...going,... and going,... with idea after idea, like a giant,...hmmm,... Pastoral Symphony, that's it!

And, so, there's still all this aching, yearning, typically Romantic minor key Schubert angst. I'm starting to think "Berg minus Berlioz", or "(Wolf + Berg) - Berlioz", or something like that  The longer the first mvmt goes on, the more organic the whole thing starts to feel, Sibelian. Do I hear Dvorak's "Gramdma Moses" tapestry-like musing? Even though I'm not "taking" to it right away, I start to think it will win me over by the end of the mvmt. Already Iknow I will like it better when I listen to it again.



Now, the second mvmt, the one that I thought was going to be Arvo Part, haha, no, seriously, I thought it would be some kind of Brucknerian type thing, and, at first I found myself cursing everyone's descriptive capabilities (if someone would have just said, "proto-Wolf/Berg,perfectly balanced contemplative/eruptive", I would would have been like, ok). Honestly, it seems that in the time it took me to type the last two paragraphs, the slow mvmt is over. Is that "heavenly length"? I think the slow mvmt could easily have been 10mins more 8). Seriously, i'm going to have to listen to this slow mvmt a lot, because I had so thoroughly pre-judged it. It's a totally different animal than I had thought. Anyhow, more later on the slow mvmt.

So far the Scherzo has made the biggest impact on me. The strange festiveness reminds me of LvB's Op.135's corresponding mvmt. And the mysterious central episode makes the whole piece for me. I feel like I'm hearing a little bit of Pettersson here, haha. I also seem to hear the final fulfillment of the experimental Haydn mineut, such as 33/3, 76/2, 54/2, and maybe especially 20/4 (I don't know, I might have Haydn on  the brain, haha).

The fourth mvmt does start of in Haydn/Bethoven upbeat bum-bum mode, and then, we're back in Enchanted Forest-land, with scurrying animals and singing birds. I almost feel like I'm hearing Debussy?... or John Williams?... is that a parallel minor I hear?

Well, as the piece begins it's final conclusion, I look back on the previous 50mins and say, Wow!, that was quite an experience. Not quite a journey, not quite a depiction,... but definitely a story. This piece seems to define PastoralDrammaticRomantic. It sounds like what i wish Dvorak sounded like. It sounds like Beethoven's truly last last work, had he had a late-late-late phase (I think so, because, consider, Op.135 does have an "autumnal" sound, no?, even though it brims with energy?).

Yes, so I agree, this piece does sort of stand out. It just didn't hit my ears as any String Quartet ever has. It's like my ears and my brain call "tell" that there's something "extra" going on here. This piece certainly has Symphonic Proportions and Vision. Hmm, I'm going to say that this has been a profound experience. Excellent!



Oh, so the vessels of this virgin listening were the Emerson and Rostropovich on DG (1992). Though I'd never heard the music, I can still tell that there are "other" ways of pulling this thing off. Honestly I can say that I have no criticism of the playing whatsoever. My personal taste would be for MORE MORE MORE of everything: more passion, more restraint, more just total totality of totalism. In other words, can this really be the bible performance? Even with my uncritical ear I can hear how this piece could probably be a completely different thing in other hands. I'm curious (I didn't re-read the Thread before I posted, but I will: the Hagen sound interesting (as usual)).



So, my Bottom Line is that schubert's Quintet is the "Bookend", the "Capstone", the "Lion King", the "Crown" of the Classico-Romantic Era. It is "like" as if Beethoven had entered one last, late phase and produced one giant swab of everythingness, and then expired.

Now I can see why it took 50 years to get to Busoni and Wolf and Scheonberg. Interesting.

I am now listening to Onslow's 1850 Quintet (remember, Schubert's wasn't introduced until around then), also for two cellos. Two cellos definitely lends a very noble, four square, almost Spanish flavor for me (though none of the music says so). Anyhow, so, this was my introduction to D.956. It puts a lottt of stuff in perspective, and, I'm really glad my preconceived notions were totally messed with. Quite a learning experience. Great!
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Cristofori on January 22, 2010, 02:36:44 PM
Quote from: Opus106 on August 01, 2008, 03:07:16 AM
I have only one. It is part of the eight-CD set from DG. (but it can also purchased as a single CD)
Emerson SQ w/ Rostropovich. I love what I have, though
An excellent choice, and I believe I know what the 8 disc set is you have! I hope to make it my own as well very soon!

Besides the single CD, It's also available on the mid price 3-disc DG "Trio" series which also includes all of Schubert's late String Quartets. A MUCH better deal.

On the historical performance side, the one recorded at the Prades Festival in the early 50's with Casals and crew is also an excellent reading.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Cristofori on January 22, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on July 23, 2009, 07:38:21 PM
ok, so someone tell me, please...

I had "heard" that late Schubert was the way to go...
ANY era of Schubert is the way to go in my opinion. After all, he was only 31 when he died!

Quoteso, then of course I realize that it's the Quintet everyone talking about...so,then... it's the real deal? Is it exactly what I envision it to be: impossibly beautiful melody undulating for an hour? It's a quantum leap from D887?
Impossibly? No.

Everything else? Yes!
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Herman on January 22, 2010, 11:03:32 PM
You outdid yourself on this one, Snips. The total net weight of this post is zero, and it's the longest in the thread thus far.

To name one thing, you keep saying this could have been extra late period Beethoven, and, yes, there are Schubert compositions in which Beethoven's presence is felt. But in these late Schubert pieces you're listening to nothing but Schubert. That's what makes them so special.

But you wouldn't know that.

In general it can be said that the "Oh, X is just like Y with some Z thrown in" makes your posts so bizarre (together with your confusing use of confused hearsay).
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: snyprrr on January 23, 2010, 05:46:16 AM
Quote from: Herman on January 22, 2010, 11:03:32 PM
You outdid yourself on this one, Snips. The total net weight of this post is zero, and it's the longest in the thread thus far.

To name one thing, you keep saying this could have been extra late period Beethoven, and, yes, there are Schubert compositions in which Beethoven's presence is felt. But in these late Schubert pieces you're listening to nothing but Schubert. That's what makes them so special.

But you wouldn't know that.

In general it can be said that the "Oh, X is just like Y with some Z thrown in" makes your posts so bizarre (together with your confusing use of confused hearsay).


I knew when I saw your name i was in trouble ;D!haha
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: cosmicj on May 29, 2010, 10:27:39 AM
I recently got the 1952 Casals CD of this wonderful piece and have decided it's an outre 4th version for the Schubert lover.  Not that the performance isn't wonderful - that accelerando they take into  the first mvt recap is a brilliant inspiration, and something I had never heard before (to take one example) - but the sound is too rough for regular consumption.  (I actually don't have that problem with other Casals performances from that time period - his late LvB Cello Sonatas CD is my reference recording for those pieces, so this problem is worse with this quintet.) 

Anyone know that old recording by the Vienna Philharmonic Quartet, which I had on LP and always thought was wonderful?  As far as I know, it's never been re-issued on CD.  I left my LP on the side of the road ten years ago when I finally stopped insisting that CDs really weren't better than vinyl and simply gave up.  Sad.


Thanks for the very worthwhile thread, everyone.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: The new erato on May 29, 2010, 10:38:13 AM
It's not his one (on Preiser)?

Badura-Skoda (Paul), Hermann (Josef), Kamper (Anton), Kwarda (Franz), Oehlberger (Karl)

Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: cosmicj on May 29, 2010, 10:44:29 AM
erato - it just might be.  Hard for me to check :(
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: ajlee on January 18, 2011, 05:01:54 PM
I heard that this is one of Schubert's most profound works and am really looking forward to hearing it.

But being a great work as it is, there are thousands of recordings of it. Some agreed classics seem to be Berg/Schiff, Emerson/Rostropovich, and Melos/Rostropovich.

Which one (not necessarily one of the above)---performance quality, sound quality, availability, and price considered---do you think is a good one to start for a newbie (me)?
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Holden on January 18, 2011, 06:24:49 PM
[asin]B000003XID[/asin]

or

[asin]B0000029LC[/asin]

I prefer the HSQ but it is in mono.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: dirkronk on January 18, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
Not sure I can improve on Holden's suggestions: they'd be my first recommendations too.
I do also own versions by the Hungarian Quartet (EMI), Starker and associates (Delos), and two featuring Yo-Yo Ma...one with the Cleveland Quartet (Sony) and another with a glitz line-up of Isaac Stern, Jaime Laredo, Lin, and Robinson (CBS/Sony...VERY recent acquisition, haven't evaluated this one at all yet).

My first choice would probably be the Hollywood, age notwithstanding. It is classic and gorgeously played. Next would be either the Casals which scores in the gutsy-wonder-tons-of-character-definitely-special department even with not-great sonics or the Ma/Cleveland which is a good bit more modern as a recording, really nicely played and more sweet-toned overall (possibly a safer bet as a second pick...even my wife thinks it's beautiful). I haven't really listened to the others enough to characterize the performances well for you, just enough to know that they don't displace the top three picks.

Maybe another poster will make up for my deficit. Good luck finding a version you love.

Dirk
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: PaulSC on January 18, 2011, 08:46:01 PM
Yet another vote for the Hollywood 4tet disc. But in case you want a modern recording with first-rate sound, there are lots of choices I'd stand behind: ABQ with Schiff, Miro with Haimovitz, and -- leading this category -- the Raphael Ensemble.

[asin]B000002RMP[/asin]
[asin]B0001C9YPY[/asin]
[asin]B000002ZUF[/asin]
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Daverz on January 19, 2011, 12:16:03 AM
I'll give a darkhorse recommendation:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//CRD3318.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//CRD3318.htm)

[asin]B000027Q0D[/asin]
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Verena on January 19, 2011, 01:38:06 AM
Quote from: ajlee on January 18, 2011, 05:01:54 PM
I heard that this is one of Schubert's most profound works and am really looking forward to hearing it.

But being a great work as it is, there are thousands of recordings of it. Some agreed classics seem to be Berg/Schiff, Emerson/Rostropovich, and Melos/Rostropovich.

Which one (not necessarily one of the above)---performance quality, sound quality, availability, and price considered---do you think is a good one to start for a newbie (me)?

Certainly not the Melos-Rostropovich. One of my least preferred versions, and I have listened to many recordings, since the Quintet is perhaps my favorite piece of music .. The others you mentioned get my recommendations, Emerson-Rostropovich in particular was a favorite of mine for a long time. There are some who find it a bit superficial, however (not me). The Casals recording mentioned in this thread is great as far as the interpretation is concerned, but sound quality is not ideal, given its age. Hagen/Schiff is very good, too, though the slow movement is a little too fast for my taste  ::) Another favorite is the Petersen Quartet with Sanderling, and the one with Kagan, Gutman et al. on Live Classics. But the latter might be difficult to get and the sound quality might not be up to your standards (for me it is completely OK; it is a live recording).
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: dirkronk on January 19, 2011, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: Que on August 01, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
It's HIP and it's absolutely great:

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/2e/f1/fa5fc060ada030e3aaaa9110.L.jpg)


The cobbling together of old thread with new made me remember that Que's advocacy sent me out to acquire this one a while back. Listening to it now. There are definitely interesting things here and it quickly moves up the ranks, but...BUT...I'm not ready to substitute this one in any of the top two or three slots. Not quite yet anyway. I'll let you know later if I've fallen more totally under its spell.
;D

Dirk
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on August 02, 2011, 01:27:42 AM
Quote from: Drasko in a discussion about Schubert 9 on August 28, 2010, 02:00:34 AM

#3 Vienna Philharmonic / Herbert von Karajan (late 40s, EMI)
Driven, hard-hitting, brutal, dark and violent vision from Karajan.



Exactly the same qualities here.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41fw%2BuzamRL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Drasko on August 02, 2011, 03:33:52 AM
I'm not so sure I'm looking for those qualities in Quintet, now G Major Quartet, that could be nice.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on August 02, 2011, 07:57:49 AM
I must say that until you made that comment I had kind of assumed in my subconscious that the quintet and the G major quartet were of the same ilk, probably along with winterreise and the 2nd trio and the 9th symphony and the last sonatas.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on August 03, 2011, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: val on August 02, 2008, 12:19:22 AM
To me the great versions are the Weller Quartet with Gurtler, perhaps the most natural and with a sublime phrasing, and the more dramatic and tense version of the Juilliard with Greenhouse (one of the most inspired recordings ever made by the Juilliard).

The Amadeus with Pleeth would be in third place.

I have the Juilliard with Greenhouse (which I love) and the Weller Quartet (I assume there's only one: I haven't checked who's playing the extra cello.) What's interesting is that I see them completely differently from you, Val. Weller sounds dramatic to me.

But the Juiliiard's  is something completely different: rapt, introspective, stunning intonation. There's a video where Glenn Gould talks about how some of Schubert's music is shy, timid. Well, that's how I see this Juilliard interpretation of the quintet -- reticent, like something recoiling into itself, and tinged with enormous melancholy.

I should add that I'm listening to both in mp3 -- that will make some difference to what I am hearing of course.

The important thing is that we both love the Juilliard's.

Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Herman on August 04, 2011, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 03, 2011, 11:05:39 PM
There's a video where Glenn Gould talks about how some of Schubert's music is shy, timid. Well, that's how I see this Juilliard interpretation of the quintet -- reticent, like something recoiling into itself, and tinged with enormous melancholy.
.

Of course the first part of the slow mvt invites that 'shy, timid' reading, but I would say there is too much in the quintet (and in most late Schubert) that is really huge and bursting at the seams to allow this to be the verdict. Plus there's plenty of jolly café music, too in the last mvt.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on August 05, 2011, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: Herman on August 04, 2011, 11:45:12 PM
Of course the first part of the slow mvt invites that 'shy, timid' reading, but I would say there is too much in the quintet (and in most late Schubert) that is really huge and bursting at the seams to allow this to be the verdict. Plus there's plenty of jolly café music, too in the last mvt.

In the Juilliard's CD it was the first movement especially that made me think of that Gould comment.

Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
So this is quickly becoming a part of the list of pieces that I must find the perfect recording of, which consists of me purchasing as many as possible (along with Haydn's Farewell, Bruckner's 6th to name a few...) then of course realizing there is no perfect recording. So far I own L'Archibudelli, Borodin String Quartet, Melos String Quartet, Villa Musica Ensemble, Takács String Quartet and my current favorite The Lindsays.

Looking at few others at the moment, wanted some feedback if possible on which ones might offer a little contrast to what I already own. I don't prefer one type of interpretation over another in terms of tempo, overly Romantic or Classical influenced, HIP or MI, etc.
One of these that I'm strongly considering I noticed a reviewer, whos name I've misspelled as Brain before, called it, "not an odd duck but a beautiful swan"  ;) From what I've heard I tend to agree.

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Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: DavidW on April 03, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
My favorite is Schiff/ABQ.  Might be too similar to what you already have though.

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Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 03, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
So this is quickly becoming a part of the list of pieces that I must find the perfect recording of, which insists of me purchasing as many as possible (along with Haydn's Farewell, Bruckner's 6th to name a few...) then of course realizing there is no perfect recording. So far I own L'Archibudelli, Borodin String Quartet, Melos String Quartet, Villa Musica Ensemble, Takács String Quartet and my current favorite The Lindsays.

I don't own any of these on your list GS (in the quintet) but knowing the characteristics of all of these groups (save L'Archibudelli) in other recordings I can say with confidence there's one recording that should fit the bill as far as "contrasting":



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The Sine Nomine Quartet has a rich, husky, darkly hued sound which is very distinctive and quite unlike any of the groups on your list. They have a nice spread to their sound as well - they're not diminutive by nature, that's for sure.

Unfortunately this recording is only available these days as a CDR from US Amazon but the physical CD is still available on the overseas Amazons.

For maxim in dexterity, crispness, and "airiness" the Hollywood Quartet is also a good bet for something appropriately alternative. They're from an earlier generation so expect the occasional use of portamento, which separates the group even further from the pack:




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Lastly, probably my favorite is the Hagen Quartet version. Much of what this group records resonates with me in a big way. They're not afraid to take risks but all the while the sense of refinement is striking. It's as if they rehearse everything till it's in their bones and then just go out and let it all hang out in performance. But not in an attempt to bludgeon anyone:



 
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Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on April 03, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
I don't own any of these on your list GS (in the quintet) but knowing the characteristics of all of these groups (save L'Archibudelli) in other recordings I can say with confidence there's one recording that should fit the bill as far as "contrasting":

The Sine Nomine Quartet has a rich, husky, darkly hued sound which is very distinctive and quite unlike any of the groups on your list. They have a nice spread to their sound as well - they're not diminutive by nature, that's for sure.

Unfortunately this recording is only available these days as a CDR from US Amazon but the physical CD is still available on the overseas Amazons.

For maxim in dexterity, crispness, and "airiness" the Hollywood Quartet is also a good bet for something appropriately alternative. They're from an earlier generation so expect the occasional use of portamento, which separates the group even further from the pack:


Lastly, probably my favorite is the Hagen Quartet version. Much of what this group records resonates with me in a big way. They're not afraid to take risks but all the while the sense of refinement is striking. It's as if they rehearse everything till it's in their bones and then just go out and let it all hang out in performance. But not in an attempt to bludgeon anyone:


Great! Thanks, DD, for the recs and exceptional illustrations of the performances. The Hollywood Quartet sounds particularly interesting, but I'm sure I will be searching to at least sample all three.  ;D
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: DavidW on April 03, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
My favorite is Schiff/ABQ.  Might be too similar to what you already have though.

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Thanks, David, I see the Berg Q. is available on Spotify. I think I've heard it before, I certainly recognize the cover art.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 03, 2014, 06:48:58 PM
Quote from: DavidW on April 03, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
My favorite is Schiff/ABQ.  Might be too similar to what you already have though.


Just noticed that Schiff accompanies in the both the Alban Berg and the Hagen versions. He must really like the piece. ;D


Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 03, 2014, 06:50:11 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 06:27:35 PM
Great! Thanks, DD, for the recs and exceptional illustrations of the performances. The Hollywood Quartet sounds particularly interesting, but I'm sure I will be searching to at least sample all three.  ;D

It's a great piece to be addicted to. :)


Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2014, 06:55:09 PM
Well, Greg, I recognize that quote so you know how I feel about the Diotima/Gastinel! The Raphael Ensemble is probably my favorite overall right now; the Pavel Haas Quartet's new album is superb too, but with sliiightly too reverberant sound. Of course, I am very very picky about recordings of this quintet.

What I have is...
Raphael Ensemble - totally excellent, heartfelt, in good sound
Auryn Quartet, Christian Poltera - technically flawless, but a little too "perfect" or perhaps insufficiently emotional
Pavel Haas Quartet, Danjulo Ishizaka - another top choice, hugely emotional journey, slightly reverby
Vogler Quartet, Daniel Muller-Schott - pretty darn good all around, probably my favorite that's on Naxos Music Library
Alban Berg Quartet, Heinrich Schiff - the sound is just too old and thin for me, and omitting the repeat is heinous!
Emerson Quartet, Rostropovich - just came in, waiting to be played!
Cleveland Quartet, Yo-Yo Ma - have only heard once, seems pretty solid
Belcea Quartet - bloodless, swift, do not recommend unless you're into that
Diotima, Gastinel - big, romantic, exaggerated, unusual but irresistible
Whoever the performers are on Vivarte - pretty good period instruments account, and can be had in a 5 CD box for about $15
Whoever the performers are on Fuga Libera, paired with an Arpeggione Sonata - I heard this a few years ago and liked it, but it's been a while

The Pavel Haas Quartet and Ishizaka live at Wigmore Hall in 2011 is the first time I ever heard this piece, so I may be prejudiced in their favor? But they really are excellent and that was one of the great concerts of my life. This could possibly be my favorite work of chamber music - and like you, the hunt for The Perfect Recording continues...
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: Brian on April 03, 2014, 06:55:09 PM
Well, Greg, I recognize that quote so you know how I feel about the Diotima/Gastinel! The Raphael Ensemble is probably my favorite overall right now; the Pavel Haas Quartet's new album is superb too, but with sliiightly too reverberant sound. Of course, I am very very picky about recordings of this quintet.

What I have is...
Raphael Ensemble - totally excellent, heartfelt, in good sound
Auryn Quartet, Christian Poltera - technically flawless, but a little too "perfect" or perhaps insufficiently emotional
Pavel Haas Quartet, Danjulo Ishizaka - another top choice, hugely emotional journey, slightly reverby
Vogler Quartet, Daniel Muller-Schott - pretty darn good all around, probably my favorite that's on Naxos Music Library
Alban Berg Quartet, Heinrich Schiff - the sound is just too old and thin for me, and omitting the repeat is heinous!
Emerson Quartet, Rostropovich - just came in, waiting to be played!
Cleveland Quartet, Yo-Yo Ma - have only heard once, seems pretty solid
Belcea Quartet - bloodless, swift, do not recommend unless you're into that
Diotima, Gastinel - big, romantic, exaggerated, unusual but irresistible
Whoever the performers are on Vivarte - pretty good period instruments account, and can be had in a 5 CD box for about $15
Whoever the performers are on Fuga Libera, paired with an Arpeggione Sonata - I heard this a few years ago and liked it, but it's been a while

The Pavel Haas Quartet and Ishizaka live at Wigmore Hall in 2011 is the first time I ever heard this piece, so I may be prejudiced in their favor? But they really are excellent and that was one of the great concerts of my life. This could possibly be my favorite work of chamber music - and like you, the hunt for The Perfect Recording continues...

Thanks for the time, Brian.   8)
Seeing live performances can dramatically expand an interest in a certain piece. Every time I see a live concert, even if it's a piece I've seen performed before or I'm exceptionally familiar with, I always leave with a new found respect for it. I can only imagine what it must have been like to experience the quintet in concert with the Pavel Haas Q., quite special I'm guessing.  :)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2014, 07:18:38 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 07:05:52 PM
Thanks for the time, Brian.   8)
Seeing live performances can dramatically expand an interest in a certain piece. Every time I see a live concert, even if it's a piece I've seen performed before or I'm exceptionally familiar with, I always leave with a new found respect for it. I can only imagine what it must have been like to experience the quintet in concert with the Pavel Haas Q., quite special I'm guessing.  :)

Especially as I had never heard it before. Actually, if we can get sidetracked from recordings for a moment, the PHQ helped define my opinion of the piece. (I feel very lucky to have seen the PHQ live five times; a few of their ideas have been permanently written into my "how it should go" mental broadcast of the Ravel Quartet.)

Hearing the work live, and not knowing what it would be, I was struck very quickly by one obvious thing: That Tune, in the first movement, one of the most perfect and primal melodies ever written, which seems to bore a well deep down into the earth to the spring from which all beauty and goodness flows. It's played three times, of course (with repeat), and each time when the Tune was over I found myself longing, yearning, like someone coming off a high or leaving a loved one. "Bring that melody back...just one more time, I want to hear it one more time." And as a result, as I turned over what I'd heard, and thought about how close Schubert was to death, this melody began to take on a new meaning - a symbol, a symbol of memory itself, of the greatest moments in life, when we feel blanketed by love and joy - and how those moments end and we scramble to try to get back to them.

This seems to me one of the two keys to the profundity of the work. The other is the contrasts: how such serene, placid, comforting music can coexist with such bitter rage (second movement), and how carefree exuberance can surround a heart full of loneliness and loss (third movement). And, of course, these contrasts are another musical translation of what we all go through in our lives, the contrasts we feel, sometimes all too close together.

I think I probably judge all recordings based on just these two criteria: how they define and relate to the contrasts of this music and of our internal selves, and how they communicate the magic, the beauty, and ultimately the bitterness of memories.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Daverz on April 03, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
The Arcanto Quartet is next on my wishlist:

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Name/Olivier-Marron/Performer/265855-2
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: amw on April 03, 2014, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: Brian on April 03, 2014, 06:55:09 PM
Whoever the performers are on Vivarte - pretty good period instruments account, and can be had in a 5 CD box for about $15
L'Archibudelli, I don't know it but they're usually good

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Whoever the performers are on Fuga Libera, paired with an Arpeggione Sonata - I heard this a few years ago and liked it, but it's been a while
Rosamunde, just got this, sounds very good but I don't have much to compare it to except Casals@Prades (mostly better) and ABQ/Schiff (mostly worse).

Interested to hear the Diotima, who are possibly the 2nd or 3rd best active string quartet right now, and who always seem to go their own way; same with the Hagen.

@Brian - Arcanto would be my choice for the best one available on NML, of the ones I've sampled. Petersen also seems good, though reverb-y.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on April 03, 2014, 09:33:55 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
So this is quickly becoming a part of the list of pieces that I must find the perfect recording of, which insists of me purchasing as many as possible (along with Haydn's Farewell, Bruckner's 6th to name a few...) then of course realizing there is no perfect recording. So far I own L'Archibudelli, Borodin String Quartet, Melos String Quartet, Villa Musica Ensemble, Takács String Quartet and my current favorite The Lindsays.

Looking at few others at the moment, wanted some feedback if possible on which ones might offer a little contrast to what I already own. I don't prefer one type of interpretation over another in terms of tempo, overly Romantic or Classical influenced, HIP or MI, etc.
One of these that I'm strongly considering I noticed a reviewer, whos name I've misspelled as Brain before, called it, "not an odd duck but a beautiful swan"  ;) From what I've heard I tend to agree.

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Which Melos version do you have, Rostropovich or Wofgang Boettcher? I'd be very interested to read comments on their remake, which I've never heard.

I think you should try to hear Hagen, Hollywood, Tatrai and Casals+Tortellier+Schneider etc. A lot depends on how strongly you feel about the first movement repeat.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Que on April 03, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 03, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
So this is quickly becoming a part of the list of pieces that I must find the perfect recording of, which insists of me purchasing as many as possible (along with Haydn's Farewell, Bruckner's 6th to name a few...) then of course realizing there is no perfect recording. So far I own L'Archibudelli, Borodin String Quartet, Melos String Quartet, Villa Musica Ensemble, Takács String Quartet and my current favorite The Lindsays.

Looking at few others at the moment, wanted some feedback if possible on which ones might offer a little contrast to what I already own. I don't prefer one type of interpretation over another in terms of tempo, overly Romantic or Classical influenced, HIP or MI, etc.

A masterpice, for sure. :) One of Schubert's highlights.
My favourites are - not surprisingly on period instruments - L'Archibudelli and Kuijken & Festetics Qt. Bot are very different and the ARCANA issue might just the different angle you are looking for! :)

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Title: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: JDWalley on April 03, 2014, 10:42:57 PM

Quote from: Moldyoldie on August 01, 2008, 03:42:08 AM
I've heard and loved several, but the one that really "sends" me is by The Lindsay Quartet + Douglas Cummings. 0:)  Intonation and ensemble aren't exemplary, but....

Agreed -- it's wonderful. I also liked the mid-'70s Juilliard SQ/Bernard Greenhouse LP, but I don't think that particular recording ever appeared on CD, as the same forces re-recorded it for digital, in a version I've never heard.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: G. String on April 04, 2014, 02:59:24 AM
I value Schubert's chamber works more than any other composer's. My 10 picks to cover his String Quintet would be:

Cummings/ Lindsay Quartet - my favorite and the most inward one, I find especially the slow movement intensely intimate
Heinrich Schiff/Hagen Quartet
Heinrich Schiff/Alban Berg Quartet - most detailed one to my ears.
Raphael Ensemble
Erben/Belcea Quartet
Ishizaka/Pavel Haas Quartet
Pleeth/Amadeus Quartet
L'Archibudelli
Ma/Stern/Robinson/Laredo/Cho-Liang - a dramatic version.
Rostropovich/Emerson Quartet - I don't relate their approach with Schubert but I sometimes go to this version for the music.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: North Star on April 04, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 03, 2014, 06:55:09 PMBelcea Quartet - bloodless, swift, do not recommend unless you're into that
This being the only one I have on disc..  :blank:
I should do a comparison of it and Taneyev Quartet & Rostropovich (1963) some time.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 04, 2014, 04:25:02 AM
Quote from: G. String on April 04, 2014, 02:59:24 AM
I value Schubert's chamber works more than any other composer's. My 10 picks to cover his String Quintet would be:

Cummings/ Lindsay Quartet - my favorite and the most inward one, I find especially the slow movement intensely intimate

Absolutely, G, Lindsays' Adagio is the highlight for me, so airy and meditative.



Quote from: Brian on April 03, 2014, 07:18:38 PM
, and how carefree exuberance can surround a heart full of loneliness and loss (third movement).

A movement that had me doing a double take during my first listen, I still get lovingly lost in the Trio's Andante sostenuto, then slapped with the Presto return. Love it!
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: DavidW on April 04, 2014, 04:31:00 AM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on April 03, 2014, 06:50:11 PM
It's a great piece to be addicted to. :)

Yes one of my favorite all time chamber works!!!
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: North Star on April 04, 2014, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: DavidW on April 04, 2014, 04:31:00 AM
Yes one of my favorite all time chamber works!!!
It's definitely a great all time chamber work ;)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 04, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 03, 2014, 09:33:55 PM
Which Melos version do you have, Rostropovich or Wofgang Boettcher? I'd be very interested to read comments on their remake, which I've never heard.

I think you should try to hear Hagen, Hollywood, Tatrai and Casals+Tortellier+Schneider etc. A lot depends on how strongly you feel about the first movement repeat.

Sorry for the late reply...

I goofed, I have Melos Q. only on the Trout Quintet, and actually the Brandis Quartet Berlin on String Quintet. Had them both listed incorrectly on my computer, flip-flopped!  ;D

Found the Casals+Tortellier+Schneider on Spotify, giving it a spin now. Thanks, Mandryka.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on April 04, 2014, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 04, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
Sorry for the late reply...

I goofed, I have Melos Q. only on the Trout Quintet, and actually the Brandis Quartet Berlin on String Quintet. Had them both listed incorrectly on my computer, flip-flopped!  ;D

Found the Casals+Tortellier+Schneider on Spotify, giving it a spin now. Thanks, Mandryka.

You should try the Melos with Rostropovich if you can - it's calm, expansive and noble. It was that recording which made me see that the first movement repeat could be made to work (and the same in their 15th quartet.)

Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on April 04, 2014, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: JDWalley on April 03, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
I also liked the mid-'70s Juilliard SQ/Bernard Greenhouse LP, but I don't think that particular recording ever appeared on CD

It never left LP commercially. I can let you have a FLAC transfer of the LP if you want. It is good.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: akiralx on April 06, 2014, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 04, 2014, 09:33:42 PM
You should try the Melos with Rostropovich if you can - it's calm, expansive and noble. It was that recording which made me see that the first movement repeat could be made to work (and the same in their 15th quartet.)
Yes, my favourite version, reissued again quite recently by DG with original coverart.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: DavidW on April 06, 2014, 05:23:47 PM
+2 Melos Quartet have always had a deep understanding of Schubert.  Didn't know that it had been reissued... hmm...
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: G. String on April 07, 2014, 04:23:57 AM
-1 for Rostropovich/Melos Quartet. I'm re-listening to it now and it is very Rostropovich/cello-laden. Rostropovich/Emerson is more balanced in my opinion.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Brahmsian on April 07, 2014, 05:25:43 AM
Quote from: G. String on April 07, 2014, 04:23:57 AM
Rostropovich/Emerson is more balanced in my opinion.

This is my go-to version.  OK, it is the only recording I have in my collection, but I enjoy it immensely!  :D
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: amw on May 02, 2014, 04:55:49 AM
With all the great versions of this piece I've heard lately, and the attendant state of mild obsession that goes with, I am now seriously considering starting a blind comparison.

Part of me thinks this is probably a bad idea because of how many versions of it everyone here seems to own, and also that it might be possible to overdose on D956 somehow. But if anyone would be interested in participating in such a thing, or helping me set it up, let me know.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Brian on May 02, 2014, 06:17:04 AM
Quote from: amw on May 02, 2014, 04:55:49 AM
With all the great versions of this piece I've heard lately, and the attendant state of mild obsession that goes with, I am now seriously considering starting a blind comparison.

Part of me thinks this is probably a bad idea because of how many versions of it everyone here seems to own, and also that it might be possible to overdose on D956 somehow. But if anyone would be interested in participating in such a thing, or helping me set it up, let me know.
My interest can be described as "extreme". Total addict in love with this piece.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Brahmsian on May 02, 2014, 06:24:24 AM
Quote from: Brian on May 02, 2014, 06:17:04 AM
My interest can be described as "extreme". Total addict in love with this piece.

Samers!  :)
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Jo498 on June 25, 2014, 12:45:39 AM
There are so many recordings, with probably one or two new ones appearing every year, that it is hard to keep track and, unless you want to listen to nothing else, to listen to all of them. I have heard about 12 to 15 I guess, but do not know all of them well as I had only about three for many years, before enlarging my collection. I just want to mention a few that are either "different" or have not been mentioned so far.

The recording with Heifetz and friends is bound to be controversial: the fastest I have heard (and without repeat in the first mvmt.), very lean and classicist, not my favorite but different in an interesting way and some of the "long range" structure is conveyed very well by the fast tempi and straightforward playing. Sound is stereo, but not very pleasant sounding

The Tatrai on hungaroton/white label/Capriccio has been mentioned already. This is also quite different from the norm; it is among the slowest in mvmt. 3 and 4, but rather fast in the slow movement (no indulging in a beautiful dream), overall it gives a rather "leaden", sinister impression. The sound is not very pleasant either (very direct, somewhat stringent, maybe due to early digital recording? In any case an interesting alternative for those who have heard many versions of the piece.

Then there's a "dark horse", the BBC music magazine disc with the Vellinger Quartet (never heard of) and Greenhouse. This is often very cheap on Ebay or amazon marketplace and worth checking out. It's a very "classical" interpretation without going to the extremes of Heifetz.
Another one in a similar vein is the Orpheus Q. with Wispelwey which may be the most homogeneous I have heard, if you want the second cellist to do individual stuff this one is not for you.

Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: yeongil on July 11, 2014, 09:33:08 AM
This will sound odd to many, but if you look at my CD's of chamber music, besides music for piano four hands (mostly on one piano) and string quartets, I have pretty much nothing.  Schubert's Quintet is an exception.

Quote from: Mandryka on April 03, 2014, 09:33:55 PM
Which Melos version do you have, Rostropovich or Wofgang Boettcher? I'd be very interested to read comments on their remake, which I've never heard.
This was directed at TheGSMoeller, but at one point I had both recordings, years ago.  I can only remember that I liked the Melos/Rostropovich better than the Melos/Boettcher, so I had sold the latter.  The latter also features the replacement 2nd violinist Ida Bieler (the original 2nd violinist, Gerhard Voss, left ca. 1993).

I've borrowed the Emerson/Rostropovich from the public library years ago, and it was okay, but I still liked the Melos/Rostropovich better, so I never bought the Emerson/Rostropovich.  I've also seen a Youtube video of the Alban Berg Quartet with Heinrich Schiff (?).

The quintet is one of my four absolute favorite works of Schubert.  The other three?
- Wanderer Fantasy
- Grand Duo for Piano 4 Hands, D. 812
- Symphony No. 9 ("Great") (or No. 7 or No. 8, depending on who's counting  ;D)
Coincidentally, all four of these works are in C Major.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on July 11, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: yeongil on July 11, 2014, 09:33:08 AM
This will sound odd to many, but if you look at my CD's of chamber music, besides music for piano four hands (mostly on one piano) and string quartets, I have pretty much nothing.  Schubert's Quintet is an exception.
This was directed at TheGSMoeller, but at one point I had both recordings, years ago.  I can only remember that I liked the Melos/Rostropovich better than the Melos/Boettcher, so I had sold the latter.  The latter also features the replacement 2nd violinist Ida Bieler (the original 2nd violinist, Gerhard Voss, left ca. 1993).

I've borrowed the Emerson/Rostropovich from the public library years ago, and it was okay, but I still liked the Melos/Rostropovich better, so I never bought the Emerson/Rostropovich.  I've also seen a Youtube video of the Alban Berg Quartet with Heinrich Schiff (?).

The quintet is one of my four absolute favorite works of Schubert.  The other three?
- Wanderer Fantasy
- Grand Duo for Piano 4 Hands, D. 812
- Symphony No. 9 ("Great") (or No. 7 or No. 8, depending on who's counting  ;D)
Coincidentally, all four of these works are in C Major.

You absolutely must here Maderna's recording. I can upload it for you if you don't know it. The other pieces I've explored less, but I thought Elly Ney's second recording of the Wanderer was exceptional. I think the music is absolutely pivotal - the prototype for all those big romantic sonatas for piano. I should like to know more performances of it.  Edwin Fischer's not bad neither. For the duo I like Eschenbach and Frantz.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Jo498 on July 11, 2014, 12:37:07 PM
The Grand Duo D 812 is certainly one of the most underrated pieces (although I do not think it reaches the sublimity level of the String quintet or the f minor fantasy). I am not so fond of the Wanderer Fantasy. My favorite instrumental Schubert pieces are the String quintet, the G major quartet D 887 and then maybe the E flat major Trio or the A major piano sonata and the d minor quartet
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Drasko on July 11, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on July 11, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
You absolutely must here Maderna's recording. I can upload it for you if you don't know it.

Yes, please.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: mahler10th on December 24, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
I would listen to the String Quintet in C major D. 956 before the Piano "Trout" Quintet in A major, D. 667 every time.  The Trout is so popular, I fear that Schuberts oeuvre may be itself mistaken for a freshwater fish.   :-[
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Continuo on December 25, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 04, 2014, 11:46:48 PM
It never left LP commercially. I can let you have a FLAC transfer of the LP if you want. It is good.

Hi Mandryka,
Still have that FLAC? Might I get a copy of that?

Thanks for your consideration.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Herman on December 26, 2019, 02:21:26 AM
So this topic made me go to the basement and try to find a 956  -  I should have a whole bunch.

Reading the previous posts I do get a sense that Schubert has long suffered the same fate as Brahms: his best music has been read as a mix of deep autumnal melancholy and Wienerisch jollity.

Whereas with both composers their late, autumnal works are full of violent rage.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on December 26, 2019, 02:48:28 AM
Quote from: Herman on December 26, 2019, 02:21:26 AM
So this topic made me go to the basement and try to find a 956  -  I should have a whole bunch.

Reading the previous posts I do get a sense that Schubert has long suffered the same fate as Brahms: his best music has been read as a mix of deep autumnal melancholy and Wienerisch jollity.

Whereas with both composers their late, autumnal works are full of violent rage.

Have you heard this one, Taneyev Quartet and Rostropovich?

https://www.youtube.com/v/nkNNU3uhtG8

Steve Emerson (I think it was him) made a good transfer, and I think that there's one on DG. It would be good if Tetzlaff and friends get round to it.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Herman on December 26, 2019, 03:03:23 AM
I'm not familiar with that one, and I'm really not a big fan of Rostropovich's way, and overall of the way Soviet musicians did the Viennese classics.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Mandryka on December 26, 2019, 04:08:26 AM
Quote from: Herman on December 26, 2019, 03:03:23 AM
I'm not familiar with that one, and I'm really not a big fan of Rostropovich's way, and overall of the way Soviet musicians did the Viennese classics.

Be that as it may, it is nonetheless full of violent rage!
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: vers la flamme on December 26, 2019, 02:19:26 PM
Thoughts on the Pavel Haas Quartet + Danjulo Ishizaka recording? I got it recently. In light of recent discussion, I think it errs more on the violent side than what I was accustomed to in this great work. But then I've never thought of this as a work of "deep autumnal melancholy", not like the D960 sonata, for instance. It's more epic, driven, and passionate.

Definitely one of Schubert's greatest works...
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: aukhawk on December 27, 2019, 06:52:22 AM
On the previous page of this thread, amw mentioned that he might put up a blind comparison.
That actually happened here on GMG, he did a great job, and the Pavel Haas Quartet came a close 2nd overall, out of 32 runners and riders - not bad!  I remember particularly liking their romantic take on the slow 2nd movement, which for me is the heart of the whole thing.
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,23409.0.html (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,23409.0.html)

The BBC have published a list of most-requested music on their iconic Desert Island Discs over many years (from 1942 to 2011) - and Schubert's String Quintet holds 3rd place on that list.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Irons on December 27, 2019, 07:36:02 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 26, 2019, 02:48:28 AM
Have you heard this one, Taneyev Quartet and Rostropovich?

https://www.youtube.com/v/nkNNU3uhtG8



Tully Potter, the music critic wrote this as being the greatest Schubert's Quintet recording ever. A view I am inclined to agree with as not heard a better performance.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Brian on December 27, 2019, 08:42:34 AM
My only quarrel with the PHQ/Ishizaka is the rather boomy acoustic which adds some unneeded reverb. You get an idea for how forceful the players are to produce that much reverb, anyway. PHQ/Ishizaka live at Wigmore Hall in 2011 was actually the first time I ever heard this quintet (live or not), and that was one of the great concerts of my life.
Title: Re: Schubert: String Quintet in C major, D. 956
Post by: Brian on June 29, 2020, 01:44:06 PM
New Naxos recording with a lineup of Israeli musicians (Aviv Quartet with Amit Peled) is really pretty good. Moderately paced - the finale strikes me as a touch slow and stiff, the only real weakness - but a super-refined, beautiful ensemble sound from all five players. No real eccentricities. Perhaps not the bleeding edge of existential pain that you get in the best and most personal versions, but on first listen, I quite liked it. Well, especially the first three movements.

Will definitely listen again. Seems like a solid B and the kind of thing that would do well in blind listening games because, even if the whole isn't inspired, the parts are mostly very "correct" and "proper", and the playing is uncontestably very good.
Title: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: Bhava on June 12, 2022, 01:18:11 AM
Dear Friends:

I got lately introduced to Schubert music & I am so fond of his chamber works / symphonies.

I came to know that the String Quintet in C Major, D. 956 was the last work composed by Schubert.

I like to get some good recordings for this and start listening with them. So far, I have got two recordings,
one featuring Arthur Grumiaux and the other with Wieland Kuijken. I feel that there may be some other
good recordings for this great work. Your suggestions (modern or HIP) are both welcome.

Thanks a lot!

Best wishes
Bhava
Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: LKB on June 12, 2022, 04:35:23 AM
I've always enjoyed:

https://www.amazon.com/Schoenberg-Verkl%C3%A4rte-Schubert-String-Quintet/dp/B000003XID/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3IB9MC24ET43L&keywords=hollywood+string+quartet&qid=1655037218&sprefix=Hollywood+string+%2Caps%2C223&sr=8-3

A wonderful disc.  8)
Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: Bhava on June 12, 2022, 05:10:06 AM
Quote from: LKB on June 12, 2022, 04:35:23 AM
I've always enjoyed:

https://www.amazon.com/Schoenberg-Verkl%C3%A4rte-Schubert-String-Quintet/dp/B000003XID/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3IB9MC24ET43L&keywords=hollywood+string+quartet&qid=1655037218&sprefix=Hollywood+string+%2Caps%2C223&sr=8-3

A wonderful disc.  8)

Testament Label usually releases MONO recordings.. I checked and found that it was in Mono..

I hope some friends here will recommend some nice Stereo recordings.. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: Brian on June 12, 2022, 05:20:23 AM
We once had a blind listening game here where amw organized groups to sample something like 24 or 32 different recordings, vote forward their favorites, and then eventually everyone listened to the final 4 to decide the champion. Of course nobody knew who the performers were until the end. Here were the results: (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,23409.msg853741.html#msg853741) the top recordings as judged blind featured the Arcanto, Pavel Haas, and Petersen Quartets. All stereo. I remember the Petersen being my own favorite; the PHQ is great but in reverberant sound.

Other generally accepted stereo classics include Emerson + Rostropovich, Raphael Ensemble, and the darker, more tragic Leipzig Quartet.
Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: DavidW on June 12, 2022, 05:27:06 AM
I recommend Rostropovich/Melos

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Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: Todd on June 12, 2022, 05:32:31 AM
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81Hq5j4+lbL._SX425_.jpg)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/617ccfT1wtL._UX425_FMwebp_QL85_.jpg)

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Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 12, 2022, 06:01:37 AM
Bhava - already been mentioned and/or shown but the 2 versions in my collection are shown below - the Emerson String Quartet can be bought separately w/ Rostropovich added for the Quintet, or in a package w/ the String Quartets which you likely will want to own also - plenty of options for all of these Schubert chamber pieces.  Dave :)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51cgPm1xwtL.jpg)  (https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/617ccfT1wtL._UX425_FMwebp_QL85_.jpg)
Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: staxomega on June 12, 2022, 06:28:29 AM
Welcome to GMG. You'll be able to find a thread dedicated to most major works already. It benefits not only the community to keep discussion contained in them (ie you can bump the thread / reply to them) for a single resource but also yourself as you'll often see pages of suggestions from people that are no longer active or people that don't care to repeat themself.

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,8640.0.html
Title: Re: Schubert String Quintet in C Major, D. 956
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 12, 2022, 06:57:49 AM
Quote from: hvbias on June 12, 2022, 06:28:29 AM
Welcome to GMG. You'll be able to find a thread dedicated to most major works already. It benefits not only the community to keep discussion contained in them (ie you can bump the thread / reply to them) for a single resource but also yourself as you'll often see pages of suggestions from people that are no longer active or people that don't care to repeat themself.

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,8640.0.html

1+ - was going to mention that suggestion in the OP's other thread on Piano Trios - e.g. there is a 35-page Schubert thread HERE (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,7294.msg1442041.html#msg1442041) that could use some rejuvenation and more variety -  8)  Dave