GMG Classical Music Forum

The Music Room => Opera and Vocal => Topic started by: dtwilbanks on May 19, 2007, 07:18:25 AM

Title: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 19, 2007, 07:18:25 AM
Thanks, people.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Daverz on May 19, 2007, 08:01:50 AM
I don't think there's any CD that everyone should own, but this is a nice one of Schubert and Schumann that works wonderfully as a program:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RQHMHOqVL._AA240_.jpg)

These are also in a Deutsche Harmonia Mundi box titled "The Early Years Vol. 4", if you can find it.

The main issue that many have with Ameling is that she sings things very "straight".

I'd like to recommend Baker on an EMI twofer for a more dramatic approach, but that has no texts.  The texts are all online, and I suppose you could print them out.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y2BJVXMZL._AA240_.jpg)

I doubt this has been remastered since the last "double fforte" issue, if you should encounter that.

(I'm afraid I never got much into male lieder singers, but someone else can pick up the slack.)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Michel on May 19, 2007, 12:45:29 PM
Stuff about Dead Children, possibly by Ferrier.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Brewski on May 19, 2007, 01:27:49 PM
R. Strauss: Lieder (Jessye Norman / Geoffrey Parsons) - So many great things about this recording, starting with the selections themselves, which are some of the most beautiful ever written.  It also includes "Malven," the tiny, lovely song discovered shortly before this recording was made.  Norman is in really outstanding form, and ditto Parsons, and the sound quality (recorded in Snape Maltings) is fantastic, as if you are in the hall with them.

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/classical_albums/cov200/cl200/l251/l25180ylwy8.jpg)

--Bruce
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on May 19, 2007, 01:29:22 PM
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/411BT4TDDPL._AA240_.jpg)

Contains the greatest lied of all time: Erlkonig.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Drasko on May 19, 2007, 01:41:59 PM
I'm not the most knowledgable on the matter but I do like this one

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HB3R9TJ9L._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Maciek on May 19, 2007, 02:04:53 PM
I'm not sure if this has been released separately (especially on CD) but disc number 5 from this set is one of the best things I have in my modest collection (and the other discs in the set are all excellent too):

(http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s150x150/4770222.jpg)
LÉOPOLD SIMONEAU
PIERRETTE ALARIE
Opera Recitals and Lieder
(DG)
CD number 5: Mozart - Lieder (Alarie - soprano, Erik Werba - piano, mono), Debussy - Ariettes oubliées and some other songs (Alarie - soprano, Allan Rogers, piano)

An absolute stunner!

If the disc hasn't been released separately then my nomination goes to the whole set. ;D

Maciek
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 19, 2007, 07:43:36 PM
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/22/57/fb9f92c008a01e4dbd23c010.L.jpg)


If the Zemlinsky set proves too difficult to find, this one is a worthy substitute:


(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/9962873.jpg)


Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: zamyrabyrd on May 19, 2007, 08:54:47 PM
Contains the greatest lied of all time: Erlkonig.

I agree and the way F-D does it is a hard, if not impossible act to follow.

ZB
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Tsaraslondon on May 20, 2007, 02:50:15 AM
Well I can thing of at least a dozen, but for Lieder with orchestra, these two

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/Mahler/misc/kinderBaker.jpg)

and

(http://www.cutlers.com/media/strauss_4.jpg)

And for Lieder with piano, this classic Schubert recital.

(http://luminescencias.blogspot.com/Schubert_%2024-Lieder_Edwin-Fischer_Elisabeth-Schwarzkopf_EMI.jpg)

I know some people are allergic to Schwarzkopf, but the selection she recorded with Fischer is, in my opinion, hors concours, with a particularly dramatic rendition of Gretchen am Spinnrade. In later life seh was actually very critical of this version, finding it far too operatic. Maybe that's why I like it so much.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Que on May 20, 2007, 04:02:53 AM
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/4191CCPWX4L._AA240_.jpg)

            (4 CD)

I know some people are allergic to Schwarzkopf, but the selection she recorded with Fischer is, in my opinion, hors concours, with a particularly dramatic rendition of Gretchen am Spinnrade. In later life seh was actually very critical of this version, finding it far too operatic. Maybe that's why I like it so much.

I also like early Schwarzkopf best.

Q
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: BachQ on May 20, 2007, 04:08:44 AM
(http://www.musicweb-international.com/Mahler/misc/kinderBaker.jpg)

Completely agree . . . . . . .
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 20, 2007, 04:19:48 AM
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/gmgpictures/Schcom.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: BachQ on May 20, 2007, 04:26:00 AM
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/gmgpictures/Schcom.jpg)


Sarge

What does that sell for, Sarge?
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on May 20, 2007, 04:49:57 AM
I agree and the way F-D does it is a hard, if not impossible act to follow.

ZB

Yup. I think one time I had that track on repeat for about an hour and never got sick of it. It is really the only lied I listen to, other than Mahler of course.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on May 20, 2007, 04:51:17 AM
What does that sell for, Sarge?

If you don't mind me chiming in I saw it at JandR in NYC for about $250, a bargain really if you love Schubert.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 05:02:50 AM
Thanks for all the replies so far.

Hey Sarge, will you burn me a copy of that?  ;D
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 20, 2007, 05:25:12 AM
What does that sell for, Sarge?

Mrs. Rock gave it to me; a Christmas present two years ago. She thinks she paid 140 pounds (around 200 Euro) at Amazon.UK. She said it was the best price she could find at the time. 5 Euro a disc...yeah, great price for an invaluable set.

Sarge
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 20, 2007, 05:26:13 AM
Hey Sarge, will you burn me a copy of that?  ;D

No, problem. I'll start now and should be done by mid-August  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Larry Rinkel on May 20, 2007, 05:36:11 AM
Completely agree . . . . . . .

That set is definitely a must have. One of my top recommendations would be:
http://www.preiserrecords.at/album.php?ean=717281893060
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 05:36:34 AM
A gentleman on this very board turned me on to this recording. I'm waiting for the CDs to make it over to the US so I can purchase originals (I've never ordered from Europe and am nervous about it, I guess.) A wonderful singer.

Anyway, check it out, my European friends:

http://www.preiserrecords.at/album.php?ean=717281893060
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 05:37:49 AM
Larry, oh my god, that's funny. We posted it at the same time.  ;D
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: springrite on May 20, 2007, 06:14:02 AM
Larry, oh my god, that's funny. We posted it at the same time.  ;D

Super Slow Motion Reply indicates Larry to be the official winner there!
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: BachQ on May 20, 2007, 07:12:02 AM
Larry, oh my god, that's funny. We posted it at the same time.  ;D

Larry beat you by a full 23 seconds . . . . . .  :D
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: springrite on May 20, 2007, 07:16:44 AM
Larry beat you by a full 23 seconds . . . . . .  :D

For a non-leap-year, that's a lot of time!
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 07:17:23 AM
Larry beat you by a full 23 seconds . . . . . .  :D

I was typing at the time. That Larry is a quicks-draw.

(http://www.comedy-zone.net/images/people/cartoonists/quick-draw-mcgraw.jpg)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Larry Rinkel on May 20, 2007, 05:37:54 PM
I was typing at the time. That Larry is a quicks-draw.

(http://www.comedy-zone.net/images/people/cartoonists/quick-draw-mcgraw.jpg)

 :D But which gentleman on this board first told you of these recordings?
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 06:00:07 PM
:D But which gentleman on this board first told you of these recordings?

Hm, let me pause for reflection for a moment.  ;)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 21, 2007, 06:48:12 AM
I don't think there's any CD that everyone should own, but this is a nice one of Schubert and Schumann that works wonderfully as a program:
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RQHMHOqVL._AA240_.jpg)

Thanks for the recommendation, Daverz. I listened to this last night and was captivated from beginning to end. Gorgeous!   0:)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: val on May 22, 2007, 12:24:13 AM
SCHUBERT: Lieder by Elisabeth Schumann with several pianists, including Gerald Moore and, Reginald Kell in clarinet (2 CD)

HUGO WOLF: Lieder, by Fischer Dieskau and Baremboim (6 CD)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: johnshade on May 22, 2007, 01:55:15 PM
Well I can thing of at least a dozen, but for Lieder with orchestra,
(http://www.cutlers.com/media/strauss_4.jpg)

You must have at least one Strauss lieder CD. This is it.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: beclemund on May 22, 2007, 05:05:26 PM
This one looks interesting.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/31N4TQ98ZYL._AA240_.jpg)

I think I'll put it on my list...
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: not edward on May 22, 2007, 05:53:47 PM
(http://www.musicweb-international.com/Mahler/misc/kinderBaker.jpg)
Thirded or fourthed or fifth or whatever. I think I nominated this as The One Disc, so it can stand as The One Lieder Disc very happily.

Every time I listen to it, I spend the next month or so thinking the stand-alone Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen is the greatest performance of anything ever recorded.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Tsaraslondon on May 23, 2007, 01:01:31 AM
Thirded or fourthed or fifth or whatever. I think I nominated this as The One Disc, so it can stand as The One Lieder Disc very happily.

Every time I listen to it, I spend the next month or so thinking the stand-alone Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen is the greatest performance of anything ever recorded.

Well that song would definitely be a desert island choice for me. It's the one recording I play to Baker doubters, usually people who dismiss the singer without actually having really listened to her. They are always forced to reassess their evaluation.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Tsaraslondon on May 23, 2007, 01:16:42 AM
You must have at least one Strauss lieder CD. This is it.

Many people prefer Schwarzkopf's first recording of the songs, but, as she herself said,

Many people maintain the first one is better. It's different of course. The voice is much younger. I don't think the first one is better, although one hears in the second that it is a maturer sound, but then the poems are not poems for a young creature, the poems are that of a mature person. It is never a girlish sound, it must suggest maturity, if anything.

And I agree. They demand the voice character of a Marschallin, not a Sophie. In certain moods I may like to hear versions by Janowitz, Popp, Della Casa, the young Schwarzkopf herself, but I will always return to this one, as the most probing version in the catalogue.

Incidentally, anyone who thinks that Schwarzkopf had an inflated idea of her own value (that Desert Island Discs programme, where she chose all her own records, will dog her for ever), should try to get hold of Alan Sanders and John Steane's Elisabeth Schwarzkopf: A Career on Record. It shows her to be as severely self critical, as she could be of her students.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Hector on May 23, 2007, 05:40:56 AM
You must have at least one Strauss lieder CD. This is it.

Or one lieder CD.

This'll do!
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 23, 2007, 06:41:57 AM
Or one lieder CD.

This'll do!

 :D  Oh, c'mon, Hector. There's some nice stuff out there.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Hector on May 25, 2007, 05:17:52 AM
:D  Oh, c'mon, Hector. There's some nice stuff out there.

OK, but you said one.

Therefore, the Chandos/various soloists/Vonk of Diepenbrock's orchestral songs.

I believe that you can get that and the orchestral works for the price of a small round at your local from those nice people at Brilliant!
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: dtwilbanks on May 28, 2007, 08:22:43 AM
OK, but you said one.

Therefore, the Chandos/various soloists/Vonk of Diepenbrock's orchestral songs.

I believe that you can get that and the orchestral works for the price of a small round at your local from those nice people at Brilliant!

This one? (http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/5307294/a/Diepenbrock:+De+Vogels,+Marsyas,+Elektra,+etc+%2F+Vonk,+et+al.htm)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Hector on May 29, 2007, 03:03:16 AM
This one? (http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/5307294/a/Diepenbrock:+De+Vogels,+Marsyas,+Elektra,+etc+%2F+Vonk,+et+al.htm)

That is the original Chandos issue at more than a round of drinks at my local.

I'm sure that I saw it on Brilliant somewhere.

Either/or a must on any label! ;)

Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Steve on May 31, 2007, 06:11:15 AM
Dietrich-Fischer Deskau, Seleced Lieder (Schubert)
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 01, 2007, 03:20:07 PM
Is the Ameling-Demus HM disc the one that was issued as "Schubertiade"? This contained the most enchanting Shepherd on the Rock ever issued. With period instruments, a rarity in the sixties.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on June 07, 2007, 12:58:21 AM
WOW! Interesting stuff here, especially the Leopold Simoneau (he's a bit obscure, I have some of his stuff somewhere on LP.) and the Zemlinsky. Thanks guys!

Here are a few of my favorites:

I can't believe no one has mentioned this:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/5163ZCEXZZL._SS500_.jpg)

This is absolutely sublime but probably difficult to obtain now:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/21XV6GFBQ1L._AA130_.jpg)

I don't think Fürtwangler is as convincing an accompanist as Gerald Moore (but then, who is?), but this is wonderful too, esp. the Schlafendes Jesuskind!

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P2B0HYAML._AA240_.jpg)

----------------------------------

The following three are favorites of mine ON LP (and some are probably reissued on CD at this point too)

-> Dietrich Fischer Dieskau's first recording of Die Schone Müllerin (1950s on HMV), probably the finest lieder recording he ever made!

-> The very warm and tender rendition of Dichterliebe by Charles Panzera (1950s LP Reissue on Pathe Marconi of a 1930s recording)

-> A spellbinding performance of Dichterliebe by Lotte Lehmann and Bruno Walter. The intensity and high notes in Ich grolle nicht will leave you speechless! (Columbia 1950s)






Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Tsaraslondon on June 07, 2007, 11:23:24 AM
XB- Valkyrie

If you like Schwarzkopf and Wolf, are you aware of this release?

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-7k4zwiGL._SS500_.jpg)

I got it for £10 at Virgin recently

Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on June 07, 2007, 02:49:23 PM
Haven't seen it, but thanks for the recommendation. I will certainly keep my eyes open for it.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: PSmith08 on June 07, 2007, 07:10:25 PM
Peter Schreier and András Schiff doing Schumann opp. 24, 29, 48 in Dresden in 2000. Their Schubert collaboration is intelligent and sensitive, but this Schumann collaboration really does it for me. "Mit Myrthen und Rosen," from this set, might be my favorite Lied.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Daverz on June 07, 2007, 08:43:52 PM
Is the Ameling-Demus HM disc the one that was issued as "Schubertiade"? This contained the most enchanting Shepherd on the Rock ever issued. With period instruments, a rarity in the sixties.

Yes, this is the one, without the Ländler and including all but 1 song of a Schumann recital.  North American readers may have had this on RCA Victrola or Quintessence Lps.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Tsaraslondon on June 08, 2007, 12:21:02 AM
Haven't seen it, but thanks for the recommendation. I will certainly keep my eyes open for it.

Oh and by the way it is a 2 disc set, so a real bargain!
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 09, 2007, 04:52:55 AM
Yes, this is the one, without the Ländler and including all but 1 song of a Schumann recital.  North American readers may have had this on RCA Victrola or Quintessence Lps.

I used to have that recital on lp, then on cassette. Just purchased it last week, it's on it's way and I can't wait: will it live up to the golden memories I have? Suspense, suspense!!
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Philoctetes on June 15, 2007, 07:31:35 AM
Mahler's conducted by Boulez
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: mjwal on June 15, 2007, 07:43:17 AM
I'm going to be naughty and recommend a record that seems to be available on Amazon.fr on a label called Enterprise - it has the same play list as my Vocal Archives CD. Score fetishists will fume at the freedom with the text, voice lovers will be disturbed by the sound of his voice, piano lovers will shudder at the occluded acoustics of some of these; most will learn something about the lied-singing style possible before WW2. On it, Mengelberg's great Evangelist, Karl Erb, sings Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Liszt, Brahms & Wolf. You may be moved to look for more - there is a radio performance of Nachtstück that puts everyone (i.e.Wunderlich et al.) in the shade with amazingly powerful arching phrases like Martinelli in the last scene of Aida, but it may never have been silvered. In any case, this CD would be the album everyone should own in order to learn about the singular intensity that lied interpretation before WW2 could achieve and to banish - finally! - the long shadow cast by FiDi's professorial style of singing; I can't think of a single recording by him that I would take to a desert island, unless it were the live Wolf Goethe-Lieder accompanied by Richter, for Richter's sake.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Que on June 15, 2007, 08:07:37 AM
I'm going to be naughty and recommend a record that seems to be available on Amazon.fr on a label called Enterprise - it has the same play list as my Vocal Archives CD. Score fetishists will fume at the freedom with the text, voice lovers will be disturbed by the sound of his voice, piano lovers will shudder at the occluded acoustics of some of these; most will learn something about the lied-singing style possible before WW2. On it, Mengelberg's great Evangelist, Karl Erb, sings Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Liszt, Brahms & Wolf. You may be moved to look for more - there is a radio performance of Nachtstück that puts everyone (i.e.Wunderlich et al.) in the shade with amazingly powerful arching phrases like Martinelli in the last scene of Aida, but it may never have been silvered. In any case, this CD would be the album everyone should own in order to learn about the singular intensity that lied interpretation before WW2 could achieve and to banish - finally! - the long shadow cast by FiDi's professorial style of singing; I can't think of a single recording by him that I would take to a desert island, unless it were the live Wolf Goethe-Lieder accompanied by Richter, for Richter's sake.

Enterprise = pirates!  ;D

But I agree with your recommendation - back to the time Schubert was sung instead of being subjected to psycho analysis.

"Legit' issues with Karl Erb on Preiser - his voice has an remarkable likeness with that of Peter Schreier, with the big difference that I like Karl Erb... 8)

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/6785176.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/4158191.jpg)

Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Brewski on June 15, 2007, 08:32:49 AM
All quite fascinating...I've heard of Erb but haven't yet heard his singing.  And I'm not that familiar with many pre-WWII singers, so thanks for the comments on this. 

--Bruce
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Que on June 15, 2007, 08:44:19 AM
All quite fascinating...I've heard of Erb but haven't yet heard his singing.  And I'm not that familiar with many pre-WWII singers, so thanks for the comments on this. 

--Bruce

Bruce, now you've encouraged me to add some! ;D

Most distinguished prewar baritones were the still well known (bass-)baritone Hans Hotter and also Gerhard Hüsch - the prewar "FD", except his voice was more beautiful....but his style was of course very different.

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/6801225.jpg)
                 (Preiser)

Q
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Brewski on June 15, 2007, 08:53:39 AM
Bruce, now you've encouraged me to add some! ;D

Most distinguished prewar baritones were the still well known (bass-)baritone Hans Hotter and also Gerhard Hüsch - the prewar "FD", except his voice was more beautiful....but his style was of course very different.

(http://www.jpc.de/image/cover/front/0/6801225.jpg)
                 (Preiser)

Q

Thanks, I've heard Hotter, but not Hüsch.  Coincidentally, I'm having dinner with some singers tonight, so I will mention these names to them.

I'm trying to overcome my impatience with many historical recordings -- it's a sound quality thing.  But of course, not all singers' eras overlapped with modern recording technology (Caruso being probably the most famous example) so if you want to hear them, you have to take what's there.  Anyway, these recordings look very interesting.

--Bruce
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: karlhenning on June 15, 2007, 08:57:24 AM
All right, I'll zig where others zag.

Hindemith, Das Marienleben, Opus 27

Anyone know of any recording other than Roxalana Roslak with Glenn St-Gould?
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Brewski on June 15, 2007, 09:01:26 AM
All right, I'll zig where others zag.

Hindemith, Das Marienleben, Opus 27

Anyone know of any recording other than Roxalana Roslak with Glenn St-Gould?

Oh absolutely!  If you like the piece try to hear Karita Mattila's recording.  She made it awhile ago (before she reached stardom) and it's marvelous.  The rest of the CD is quite interesting, too. 

--Bruce
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: karlhenning on June 15, 2007, 09:11:03 AM
Oh absolutely!  If you like the piece try to hear Karita Mattila's recording.  She made it awhile ago (before she reached stardom) and it's marvelous.  The rest of the CD is quite interesting, too. 

But, Bruce . . . who plays piano? . . .
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Brewski on June 15, 2007, 09:15:29 AM
But, Bruce . . . who plays piano? . . .

Oh, there must be two versions?  This one is with chamber orchestra.

--Bruce
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: knight66 on June 15, 2007, 09:16:47 AM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paul-Hindemith-Marienleben-Lieder-Gedichten/dp/B000009HWC/ref=sr_1_5/202-2743526-4244651?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181931324&sr=1-5

Piano version with Irwin Gage and.....Gundula Janowitz.

Mike
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: karlhenning on June 15, 2007, 09:19:37 AM
Oh, there must be two versions?  This one is with chamber orchestra.

Is it just six of the numbers then, Bruce?  It's a cycle of 15.

Who did the arrangement, I wonder?
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Brewski on June 15, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
Is it just six of the numbers then, Bruce?  It's a cycle of 15.

Who did the arrangement, I wonder?

I'll try to find it later (amid the clutter  ;D) and check the booklet.  Meanwhile, yes, I'd bet the one with Janowitz is great.

--Bruce
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: karlhenning on June 15, 2007, 09:27:53 AM
I do like the Roslak/Gould outing, but it's such a great piece, and I should delight in another reading.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: karlhenning on June 15, 2007, 09:37:51 AM
BTW, the CD reissue of the Roslak/Gould also had Lois Marshall singing Beim Schlafengehen from the Strauss Vier letzte Lieder.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 15, 2007, 11:42:31 AM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paul-Hindemith-Marienleben-Lieder-Gedichten/dp/B000009HWC/ref=sr_1_5/202-2743526-4244651?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181931324&sr=1-5

Piano version with Irwin Gage and.....Gundula Janowitz.

Mike

I do like the Roslak/Gould outing, but it's such a great piece, and I should delight in another reading.


The Janowitz is the second version (1948). Is the Gould also this version?

Sarge
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: knight66 on June 15, 2007, 12:27:09 PM
Sorry, I no longer have the disc, so I cannot give info about it. I simply knew of its existance.

Mike
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: mjwal on June 16, 2007, 05:19:27 AM
Bruce Hodges wrote "All quite fascinating...I've heard of Erb but haven't yet heard his singing."
Erb belongs both to musical history - he was the husband of Schwarzkopf's singing teacher, Maria Ivogün, by the way, and suffered an accident to his back in 1930 after which he left the stage (his voice on those lieder recordings sounding more castrato-like than on the earlier operatic discs) & the two were divorced - and to the history of literary presentation of things musical in Thomas Mann's Doktor Faustus, which describes an apocalyptic dodecaphonic work in which a tenor called Erbe sings with an unearthly crowing tone. Thomas Mann's version of his name means, ironically, "heritage/inheritance". (The closest thing to this fictive piece in real music might be K.A. Hartmann's Gesangsszene für Bariton und Orchester, though the latter is not 12-tone music.) I have several LPs of his work in lieder and opera as well as a couple of CDs, apart from Mengelberg's great Matthäuspassion.
Title: Re: The one album of LIEDER you think everyone should own.
Post by: Ten thumbs on June 16, 2007, 11:15:49 AM
I certainly recommend to everyone Troubadisc's Lied Edition of Fanny Mendelssohn Hensel songs, TRO-CD01420 and 01421. At last we can thwart Mendelssohn's statement that his sister's songs were so beautiful that they should only be heard by a tiny musical elite (more than a hint of jealousy there!). This collection of 53 songs ( about 20% of the composer's output) is especially good for continuous listening because it is spread over four voices, Anne Grimm, soprano, Roswitha Muller, mezzo, Kobie van Rensburg, tenor, and Maarten Koningsberger, bass, with Kelvin Grout at the piano. If everyone owned these discs, Fanny Hensel's status as one of the greatest of lieder composers would be assured.