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Composer Discussion / Re: Dmitri's Dacha
« Last post by Mirror Image on Today at 06:36:05 PM »
I also enjoy their playing of Alexander Borodin's Quartets.

Of course, when you have the Borodin Quartet and the Shostakovich Quartet playing the string quartets of Shostakovich and Borodin, the search engine does not like to play nice.  :laugh:

VS

Hah! ;D
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Goetz: Piano Quartet in E major

A thoroughly charming and memorable lovely work. This quartet doesn't have anything to envy from other greats like Mendelssohn, Brahms or Schubert.

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Composer Discussion / Re: Dmitri's Dacha
« Last post by VonStupp on Today at 06:33:59 PM »
I'm ashamed to admit that I haven't heard one note from the Shostakovich Quartet. I know they're highly regarded by many.

I also enjoy their playing of Alexander Borodin's Quartets.

Of course, when you have the Borodin Quartet and the Shostakovich Quartet playing the string quartets of Shostakovich and Borodin, the search engine does not like to play nice.  :laugh:

VS
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by JBS on Today at 06:27:18 PM »

But not all "anti-Zionism", (your term) -- more precisely criticism of the Israeli state, its policies and behaviors and those of segments of its Jewish population -- is anti-Semitism -- to imply such isn't a fair or logical basis to deflect criticism of Israeli behavior towards Palestinians.

Warning:  strawman.  Western criticism of Israel is not based on a false version of Jewish history -- it is based on the 20th century and current history of the Israeli state.

Unfortunately Leftist antizionism is not any form of reasonable criticism of Israel and its policies. Leftist antizionism has adopted the extremist position that Jews have no legitimate connection what is now Israel/Palestine, are all Kahanists, that terrorism is moral and Hamas are heroic freedom fighters whose deviations from Western liberal ideals must be tolerated in the name of freeing Palestine. Even the relatively mild criticism of Palestinians which you expressed is more than most of them can manage.
And they cheer on people who openly say killing Jews is a good thing.
No change in Israeli policy will satisfy them because in their eyes the existence of Israel is an intrinsic wrong.

But the idea of Israelis being colonial settlers is straight out of Soviet ideology, no matter who voices it today, as is the idea that Jews are a religious community, not an ethnic group.
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Great Recordings and Reviews / Re: Sviatoslav Richter
« Last post by George on Today at 06:16:29 PM »
Howard, as a huge Richter fan I'm interested in this. What's the label and where was the Op2/3 performance played. I can't find it on Qobuz but will check Spotify

Hi Holden,

The label is Music & Arts. It's on this OOP 4CD set: https://www.discogs.com/release/13680207-Sviatoslav-Richter-Concert-Performances-and-Broadcasts-1958-1976
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The Diner / Re: USA Politics (redux)
« Last post by milk on Today at 05:53:31 PM »
I'm afraid I'm hearing just standard, pro-Zionist apologetic for policies and actions of the Israeli state.

I’m guessing the arguments from both sides are standard at this point. Does anyone have anything to say that hasn’t already been said? That doesn’t mean that I’m not interested because I always find the issue complicated and hard to follow. I’d like to see sides continue to make arguments here but I’m afraid it will be too off-topic. I have a hard time making my mind up about it. I think there is blame to go around. The sides seem more dug-in than ever. Gaza isn’t controlled by a reasonable partner anymore anyway? I mean its not a democracy that can be engaged? I don’t know. Lots of far-left types seem to reject two-state these days? They want something more radical?


For their part, Palestinians broadly see Jewish settlement o Palestine, including today in the West Bank, as largely European neo-colonialism.  Of course that's not how Zionists see the situation but it's not an unreasonable assessment from a disinterested POV.


I guess there are books on it but why do YOU see it that way? I mean leaving aside the agreements Israel has with the U.S., are the people of Israel European colonists? It doesn’t seem so to me but, again, what do I know.

I can see why many people, some of them good friends, see Israel as belligerent. I can see why some people I know, some friends, see Israel in a different light.
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Other 4 splendid Fourth symphonies:

Sibelius




Vaughan Williams




Taneyev




Alwyn




The winner of these fourths is Sibelius. I hadn't heard this work like that before. It made much sense this time. One of the most poetic and eloquent symphonies I know. Sibelius is such a reliable friend.

That Sibelius 4th from Barbirolli is special, indeed. One doesn't come across performances like this one too often.
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Other 4 splendid Fourth symphonies:

Sibelius




Vaughan Williams




Taneyev




Alwyn




The winner of these fourths is Sibelius. I hadn't heard this work like that before. It made much sense this time. One of the most poetic and eloquent symphonies I know. Sibelius is such a reliable friend.
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Composer Discussion / Re: Dmitri's Dacha
« Last post by Mirror Image on Today at 05:25:13 PM »
I most often pull these two out, so I suppose they are my favorite. I reserve the right to backtrack though, as I ponder... :-\

VS



I'm ashamed to admit that I haven't heard one note from the Shostakovich Quartet. I know they're highly regarded by many. As for the Borodin Quartet, I love all that I've heard, which has been the Chandos partial cycle and the Melodiya cycle.
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Composer Discussion / Re: Dmitri's Dacha
« Last post by VonStupp on Today at 05:15:27 PM »
Okay...so let's talk about the SQs for second (or more ;)), what is everyone's favorite cycle? There are so many of them out there now.

I most often pull these two out, so I suppose they are my favorite. I reserve the right to backtrack though, as I ponder... :-\

VS

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