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Title: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 24, 2011, 07:14:12 AM
The previous topic with this title has no "Reply" button any longer, so I am starting a new one.

GMG Member "Anne" has been missing since the early summer: she liked opera quite a bit, and I was in contact with her now and then.

She also had, from what I could gather, emphysema from a bad decision made in her teenaged years, and also other ailments.  I have sent her a few messages, but no response, so I am wondering if she is in even worse condition.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 25, 2011, 12:16:42 PM
Scarpia?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 25, 2011, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: Mn Dave on October 25, 2011, 12:16:42 PM
Scarpia?


When he stopped posting, I periodically checked his profile. I think he was last active in June, last post in April (?). But when I checked last week, he was no longer in the members list (unless he changed his name). That means, I assume, that after a long silence he finally deleted his account. Odd. Nothing in his last messages indicated anything was wrong. I miss the dude. And my bazooka is getting rusty.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Grazioso on October 27, 2011, 04:33:06 AM
I don't have access to the stats, so am I imagining things when it seems like things are slower around here in general? :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 04:33:49 AM
The eccentrics have quieted down a bit.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 27, 2011, 04:38:41 AM
Quote from: Grazioso on October 27, 2011, 04:33:06 AM
I don't have access to the stats, so am I imagining things when it seems like things are slower around here in general? :(

Not slower than last year but slower than years previous to 2010. Total posts:


2011   93265
2010   96337
2009   122848
2008   134743
2007   124146

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 04:39:53 AM
When I was forty-fiiiiive, it was a very good year...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Grazioso on October 27, 2011, 04:40:31 AM
I take that back: I do have access to the stats, down at the bottom of the main page.

Looks like there has indeed been a significant drop in posts from last month to this, though there are still a few days left.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 04:50:57 AM
Quote from: Grazioso on October 27, 2011, 04:40:31 AM
I take that back: I do have access to the stats, down at the bottom of the main page.

Looks like there has indeed been a significant drop in posts from last month to this, though there are still a few days left.

With Karl gone, there is no hope!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: chasmaniac on October 27, 2011, 04:51:15 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 04:39:53 AM
When I was forty-fiiiiive, it was a very good year...

Let's post again, like we did last summa...!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 05:07:06 AM
Fewer posts are fine if the quality has gone up.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM
Ok..let me be honest and make a confession ;D

After a two year break I returned here a couple of months ago and started a number of threads about lesser-known composers: the area I mainly dealt in when I was active between 2007 and 2009.
I hope/d through these to encourage some interest in these composers.

My threads on Boris Blacher got 4 replies, Wilfred Josephs 2, Hans Gal 5, Halvor Haug 7, Randall Thompson 7 and Paul von Klenau precisely zero. Some of these replies were actually from me responding to a
comment.

There comes a point when one begins to wonder whether it is actually worth posting at all about the sort of composers who interest me :( I-frankly-am not terribly interested in commenting about the 25th version
of a Mahler symphony which someone has bought....but that is just me ;D

There is no shortage of comments, on the other hand, in the Havergal Brian thread.

Somewhat discouraged, I joined the "Unsung Composers" Forum where there is much more discussion of lesser-known composers. That is a rather more focussed forum obviously.

I don't want to leave GMG....for one(very important) thing I have made some very good friends here and have met several of them in person. On the other hand I am likely to be posting less and probably unlikely
to be starting threads :(

Well.........at least you have a response from someone who is contributing to the fall in numbers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 06:33:49 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM
I don't want to leave GMG....for one(very important) thing I have made some very good friends here and have met several of them in person.

Yep, that's about the only reason I hang around. I no longer care to discuss or compare recordings which is more than half the discussion here, or it seems that way to me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 27, 2011, 06:54:34 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM

My threads on Boris Blacher got 4 replies, Wilfred Josephs 2, Hans Gal 5, Halvor Haug 7, Randall Thompson 7 and Paul von Klenau precisely zero. Some of these replies were actually from me responding to a
comment.

well I'm always interested in your posts, and read them all. But this stuff needs to be bought and listened to....and that takes time. My buying que and listening que are long (and until I've listened I have little to say), but don't think for a minute that your posts go unnoticed. You will find my comments on Klenaus Cornett in the listening thread....and I could have commented on Randall Thompson, except that I hadn't the time to move the Koch disc of symphonies up in the que; it's been 10 years since I last heard it, and lots of other stuff is fighting for attention .....but your post certainly made me notice it, and it will be played again, which it probably wouldn't have been if it hadn't been for your thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 27, 2011, 07:52:31 AM
Maybe I'm going to HAVE to put up that William Mathias thread now! :o (The Mathias Concerto's 1 & 2 Somm, have had good reviews in the Nov IRR)
Room for a pretender? (I don't think the 'Cockney Wagner's' been done & that new Dutton cd of Holbrooke is grrrrrrrrreeeeat! I'm finally impressed! ;D)
But,I don't like home work! :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 27, 2011, 07:56:40 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 04:33:49 AM
The eccentrics have quieted down a bit.

And now you've got me.
This should help! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on October 27, 2011, 08:14:44 AM
Saul?


(runs away)  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 08:20:37 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on October 27, 2011, 07:56:40 AM
And now you've got me.
This should help! ;D

I see you now. You've been hiding in the British composers threads, eh?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 27, 2011, 08:44:37 AM
Uh-oh! You won't tell anyone,will you! :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 27, 2011, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM
Ok..let me be honest and make a confession ;D

After a two year break I returned here a couple of months ago and started a number of threads about lesser-known composers: the area I mainly dealt in when I was active between 2007 and 2009.
I hope/d through these to encourage some interest in these composers.

My threads on Boris Blacher got 4 replies, Wilfred Josephs 2, Hans Gal 5, Halvor Haug 7, Randall Thompson 7 and Paul von Klenau precisely zero. Some of these replies were actually from me responding to a
comment.




I feel bad about a topic with no responses, and if I have anything worthwhile, I will comment.

Part of my problem is simply lack of funds and opportunity to experience Unsung Composers: I explored all sorts of composers decades ago, but now with "somebody" in the house already grumping about the number of CD's (Mp3 downloads I am not yet sold on, even though I own a Macintosh) and other materials overcrowding the house (i.e.  the books in the vast Cato Archives, the tragic result of having 4 majors and teaching fields, not to mention the avocations of Music, Quantum Physics, Theology, etc.), even if I did have the funds and the space, I still might not have the free time and free space to explore composers like I used to.

So I would like to join your romp through esoterica in an attempt to transform the esoterica into exoterica.  But...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Grazioso on October 27, 2011, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM
Ok..let me be honest and make a confession ;D

After a two year break I returned here a couple of months ago and started a number of threads about lesser-known composers: the area I mainly dealt in when I was active between 2007 and 2009.
I hope/d through these to encourage some interest in these composers.

My threads on Boris Blacher got 4 replies, Wilfred Josephs 2, Hans Gal 5, Halvor Haug 7, Randall Thompson 7 and Paul von Klenau precisely zero. Some of these replies were actually from me responding to a
comment.

There comes a point when one begins to wonder whether it is actually worth posting at all about the sort of composers who interest me :( I-frankly-am not terribly interested in commenting about the 25th version
of a Mahler symphony which someone has bought....but that is just me ;D


Not just you :)

Quote
There is no shortage of comments, on the other hand, in the Havergal Brian thread.

Somewhat discouraged, I joined the "Unsung Composers" Forum where there is much more discussion of lesser-known composers. That is a rather more focussed forum obviously.

I don't want to leave GMG....for one(very important) thing I have made some very good friends here and have met several of them in person. On the other hand I am likely to be posting less and probably unlikely
to be starting threads :(

Well.........at least you have a response from someone who is contributing to the fall in numbers.

I feel you, so to speak. Please know, though, that I've read quite a few of your posts with interest but have had nothing of substance or originality to add and therefore have remained silent--no point posting just to hear the sound of my own voice. I've been trying to make a habit of only posting when I have something to say that might be interesting, might provoke some discussion, or at the very least might be funny or entertaining. A simple "I bought/listened to this" or "nice!" doesn't seem very interesting or educational to me.

I hope you do stick around and keep posting interesting things. Don't be discouraged by the occasional chirping crickets! If people like you gave up posting here, then the forum would likely devolve into a glorified chat room. Keep it smart, hip us to new things.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on October 27, 2011, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: Grazioso on October 27, 2011, 09:53:20 AM
I feel you, so to speak. Please know, though, that I've read quite a few of your posts with interest but have had nothing of substance or originality to add and therefore have remained silent--no point posting just to hear the sound of my own voice. I've been trying to make a habit of only posting when I have something to say that might be interesting, might provoke some discussion, or at the very least might be funny or entertaining. A simple "I bought/listened to this" or "nice!" doesn't seem very interesting or educational to me.

I hope you do stick around and keep posting interesting things. Don't be discouraged by the occasional chirping crickets! If people like you gave up posting here, then the forum would likely devolve into a glorified chat room. Keep it smart, hip us to new things.

I feel similarly. Often I'll read your posts (and others) with great interest, but don't feel the need to post unless I can add to the discussion. (Although people probably appreciate a "thanks for the good post" now and then.)

Plus, this board has gotten so large that frankly, it's difficult to keep up with all that's going on (for those of us who are a bit time-challenged lately)!

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on October 27, 2011, 10:18:51 AM
Quote from: Grazioso on October 27, 2011, 09:53:20 AM
Not just you :)

I feel you, so to speak. Please know, though, that I've read quite a few of your posts with interest but have had nothing of substance or originality to add and therefore have remained silent--no point posting just to hear the sound of my own voice. I've been trying to make a habit of only posting when I have something to say that might be interesting, might provoke some discussion, or at the very least might be funny or entertaining. A simple "I bought/listened to this" or "nice!" doesn't seem very interesting or educational to me.

I hope you do stick around and keep posting interesting things. Don't be discouraged by the occasional chirping crickets! If people like you gave up posting here, then the forum would likely devolve into a glorified chat room. Keep it smart, hip us to new things.

He had the same things to say that I had in mind. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 27, 2011, 11:57:54 AM
Some of those who expound inordinately aren't as interesting as they think.

Not that I'm speaking of anyone present.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 27, 2011, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM
Ok..let me be honest and make a confession ;D

After a two year break I returned here a couple of months ago and started a number of threads about lesser-known composers: the area I mainly dealt in when I was active between 2007 and 2009.
I hope/d through these to encourage some interest in these composers.

My threads on Boris Blacher got 4 replies, Wilfred Josephs 2, Hans Gal 5, Halvor Haug 7, Randall Thompson 7 and Paul von Klenau precisely zero. Some of these replies were actually from me responding to a
comment.

There comes a point when one begins to wonder whether it is actually worth posting at all about the sort of composers who interest me :( I-frankly-am not terribly interested in commenting about the 25th version
of a Mahler symphony which someone has bought....but that is just me ;D

There is no shortage of comments, on the other hand, in the Havergal Brian thread.

Somewhat discouraged, I joined the "Unsung Composers" Forum where there is much more discussion of lesser-known composers. That is a rather more focussed forum obviously.

I don't want to leave GMG....for one(very important) thing I have made some very good friends here and have met several of them in person. On the other hand I am likely to be posting less and probably unlikely
to be starting threads :(


Well.........at least you have a response from someone who is contributing to the fall in numbers.

I'm going to have to 'roll up my sleeves' and put up that 'Mathias' thread! :(
Joseph Holbrooke,the so called 'Cock-er-nee Wagner',he's another one!!!!
Not sure if I can add anything new or original to the Mahler debate,much as I enjoy his music! :( :(
But I prefer it here meeself! :)
Have to say that two replies to a thread about Wilfred Joseph is quite allot,considering he's not exactly a well known composer. If I posted a thread about the elusive Gaze Cooper I would be very pleased to have even one reply! In fact,with a Cameo cd,including a short piece of his, & rumours of a forthcoming recording of a Piano Concerto,I,or someone else, may,(hopefully soon) have reason to do so?
Dundonnells observation about the Havergal Brian thread reminded me of a rather sarcastic comment about Brian,some years ago,which (roughly) described Brian as the 'most overrated underrated,least neglect neglected composer' of all time'. As a regular contributor the the HB thread,I don't agree specifically with that statement,but I do,somewhat, understand the exasperation of the writer (this was written quite a few years ago when Bantock & his like were still just names in musty old books!).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
It is actually very flattering and pleasant to read most of these comments on my posts :) I shall pretend that Mn Dave's comment is not directed at me ;D

Actually, it is quite amusing and, of course, ironic to go from a situation where I was rather rudely and, in my opinion, very unfairly attacked on here as an apostle of tonal romanticism whose motivation was to
deter people from listening to atonal music to one in which I appear to be an apostle of 20th century modernism surrounded-on that other board-by devotees of late 19th century high romanticism ;D ;D

Since a number of members have, extremely kindly, said that they enjoyed reading about less well-known composers I shall continue-from time to time-to raise the 'odd name' ;D

Sorry, cilgwyn ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 27, 2011, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM
Ok..let me be honest and make a confession ;D

After a two year break I returned here a couple of months ago and started a number of threads about lesser-known composers: the area I mainly dealt in when I was active between 2007 and 2009.
I hope/d through these to encourage some interest in these composers.

My threads on Boris Blacher got 4 replies, Wilfred Josephs 2, Hans Gal 5, Halvor Haug 7, Randall Thompson 7 and Paul von Klenau precisely zero. Some of these replies were actually from me responding to a
comment.

There comes a point when one begins to wonder whether it is actually worth posting at all about the sort of composers who interest me :( I-frankly-am not terribly interested in commenting about the 25th version
of a Mahler symphony which someone has bought....but that is just me ;D

There is no shortage of comments, on the other hand, in the Havergal Brian thread.

Somewhat discouraged, I joined the "Unsung Composers" Forum where there is much more discussion of lesser-known composers. That is a rather more focussed forum obviously.

I don't want to leave GMG....for one(very important) thing I have made some very good friends here and have met several of them in person. On the other hand I am likely to be posting less and probably unlikely
to be starting threads :(

Well.........at least you have a response from someone who is contributing to the fall in numbers.

Part of that lack of response is probably due to those composers obscurity.  Of all the ones you just mentioned, I had heard of only one before reading your post--Gal, and that was because Jens had started to advocate on his behalf.  So I obviously would have nothing to contribute to the discussion. (To be honest, I don't even remember noting the threads you started, for which I apologize.)

As Cato and Erato mentioned, money and time constraints can do a number, and keep us from getting to know these lesser known composers; part of the fun of GMG is hearing about musicians who are new to us.  (If it wasn't for GMG, for example, I would never have heard of Havergal Brian.) As one of those people who almost qualifies for the 25 recordings of a Mahler symphony (I'm pretty sure I've topped 20 with the Second and Ninth)--well, you're probably right.  I've decided to concentrate for the next while on composers I'm not familiar with--primarily the period 1800-1850, but also later romantics, and lesser known Baroque composers.  My holdings of Wolf-Ferrari have gone from 0 to 3 in the last two weeks*, for example, and I'll be exploring further.  But it's members like you who make that exploration possible, even if I'm not openly involved in the discussions.

And I do have an idea which I hope to unveil rather soon which might please you along those lines--I was waiting for the forum upgrade and related issues to settle down before starting, but now there seems nothing in the way except a final runthrough with the blue pencil.

*and I may as well put in a good shout out here for CPO's recordings of his orchestral works, especially the concertos.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 27, 2011, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: Cato on October 24, 2011, 07:14:12 AM
The previous topic with this title has no "Reply" button any longer, so I am starting a new one.

GMG Member "Anne" has been missing since the early summer: she liked opera quite a bit, and I was in contact with her now and then.

She also had, from what I could gather, emphysema from a bad decision made in her teenaged years, and also other ailments.  I have sent her a few messages, but no response, so I am wondering if she is in even worse condition.

Hi Cato - concerning Anne, I'm not sure what her current status may be?  We exchanged many PMs both related to her health issues (me being a physician) and also to our mutual interest in medical history books (actually she mailed me a copy of a book on William Osler that she had mistakenly bought twice, and I sent her a couple of radiology books that I had edited); in fact, my wife Susan (i.e. Harpo) was also in contact w/ her - then all communication seem to stop - would love to hear that she is still doing well but her lung problem was quite serious - Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 28, 2011, 06:08:25 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
It is actually very flattering and pleasant to read most of these comments on my posts :) I shall pretend that Mn Dave's comment is not directed at me ;D

Actually, it is quite amusing and, of course, ironic to go from a situation where I was rather rudely and, in my opinion, very unfairly attacked on here as an apostle of tonal romanticism whose motivation was to
deter people from listening to atonal music to one in which I appear to be an apostle of 20th century modernism surrounded-on that other board-by devotees of late 19th century high romanticism ;D ;D

Since a number of members have, extremely kindly, said that they enjoyed reading about less well-known composers I shall continue-from time to time-to raise the 'odd name' ;D

Sorry, cilgwyn ;D

When I finally put up a neglected composer thread and I get one reply I'll be thinking of you,Dundonnell! :(
What about Holbrooke? Intriguing as I find the supposed 'Cockney Wagner',(particularly as a person) I'm never quite convinced by what I get to hear from the fruits of his toil and sweat! :o  But the music on the new Dutton cd was an unexpected delight. I really DID actually enjoy every note it! :)
Mathias,who has been criticised for being populistic and often a bit bland is another poor homeless sod without a thread. Yet,the new Somm cd of his first two piano concerto's has had a very good review in IRR. (But then they gave that horrid Y*** B**** cd a good review,too! :o )

Three replies each and I'll be on a b***** roll! ;D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 28, 2011, 06:11:29 AM
And,if I get 0 replies to an August von Bungert thread I'll be dead chuffed!!!!!
(Who he,ed?)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 28, 2011, 06:12:11 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
I shall pretend that Mn Dave's comment is not directed at me...

Pretending is not necessary.  It was not directed at you, nor anyone in particular.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 28, 2011, 06:14:12 AM
It was directed at Spartacus!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mn Dave on October 28, 2011, 06:16:24 AM
(http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/2600000/Lucy-lucy-lawless-2605031-1190-1002.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on October 28, 2011, 07:59:07 AM
   :( :o :) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 04, 2011, 05:05:28 AM
Is Philo gone?  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on November 04, 2011, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 04, 2011, 05:05:28 AM
Is Philo gone?  :(

Nope, still here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=6089

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 04, 2011, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on October 27, 2011, 07:05:49 PM
Hi Cato - concerning Anne, I'm not sure what her current status may be?  We exchanged many PMs both related to her health issues (me being a physician) and also to our mutual interest in medical history books (actually she mailed me a copy of a book on William Osler that she had mistakenly bought twice, and I sent her a couple of radiology books that I had edited); in fact, my wife Susan (i.e. Harpo) was also in contact w/ her - then all communication seem to stop - would love to hear that she is still doing well but her lung problem was quite serious - Dave :)

Many thanks for the information!  Yes, I think she had energy problems, and found even typing fatiguing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 06, 2011, 04:57:06 PM
Muriel?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 06, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
Quote from: Bogey on November 06, 2011, 04:57:06 PM
Muriel?

Doesn't do Internet any more. Sad to say.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 06, 2011, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Bogey on November 06, 2011, 04:57:06 PM
Muriel?

Not an answer to this, but . . . . (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,220.msg573691.html#msg573691)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on November 08, 2011, 12:49:48 AM
Quote from: The new erato on October 27, 2011, 06:54:34 AM
well I'm always interested in your posts, and read them all. But this stuff needs to be bought and listened to....and that takes time. My buying que and listening que are long (and until I've listened I have little to say), but don't think for a minute that your posts go unnoticed. You will find my comments on Klenaus Cornett in the listening thread....and I could have commented on Randall Thompson, except that I hadn't the time to move the Koch disc of symphonies up in the que; it's been 10 years since I last heard it, and lots of other stuff is fighting for attention .....but your post certainly made me notice it, and it will be played again, which it probably wouldn't have been if it hadn't been for your thread.

I have to side with Erato in this, saw this somewhat belated, but I certainly read your postings about for instance Klenau, both his Symphonies and SQ, and some other works, the rest of the composers you mentioned I have bought, or are in my que like with Erato.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on November 08, 2011, 12:55:52 AM
And what about Matti? He seems to have vanished too, after I shipped about 150 classical CD'S to him. My God I hope the pile of these CD'S did not crush him :)

<Edit he is on line> Well maybe he felt that I was calling out his name. lol!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 08, 2011, 04:04:06 AM
@ Grazioso

That's an overreaction. Why don't you just skip what you find unpleasant instead of leaving and thus depriving us of your own valuable contributions?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 08, 2011, 04:20:25 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 08, 2011, 04:04:06 AM
@ Grazioso

That's an overreaction. Why don't you just skip what you find unpleasant instead of leaving and thus depriving us of your own valuable contributions?

Hear, hear.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on November 08, 2011, 04:38:10 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 08, 2011, 04:04:06 AM
@ Grazioso

That's an overreaction. Why don't you just skip what you find unpleasant instead of leaving and thus depriving us of your own valuable contributions?

Sometimes the skipping becomes a task in itself. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dundonnell on November 08, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: Harry on November 08, 2011, 12:49:48 AM
I have to side with Erato in this, saw this somewhat belated, but I certainly read your postings about for instance Klenau, both his Symphonies and SQ, and some other works, the rest of the composers you mentioned I have bought, or are in my que like with Erato.

Thank you both for your very kind remarks :)

At the present time I am so incredibly busy digitising the British music in my collection of reel-to-reel tapes and uploading mp3 versions for the exclusive use of members of another site that I simply cannot find time to post about any more 'obscure composers'. I had hoped to write about another fine but largely unsung Norwegian composer-Ragnar Soderlind-but this will have to wait, I regret to say :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 08, 2011, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 08, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
Thank you both for your very kind remarks :)

At the present time I am so incredibly busy digitising the British music in my collection of reel-to-reel tapes and uploading mp3 versions for the exclusive use of members of another site that I simply cannot find time to post about any more 'obscure composers'. I had hoped to write about another fine but largely unsung Norwegian composer-Ragnar Soderlind-but this will have to wait, I regret to say :(

Would love to see a shot of your Reel to Reel....when you have time. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 08, 2011, 06:15:16 PM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on November 06, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
Doesn't do Internet any more. Sad to say.

8)

Our loss.  Her gain.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dundonnell on November 09, 2011, 04:28:58 AM
Quote from: Bogey on November 08, 2011, 06:14:32 PM
Would love to see a shot of your Reel to Reel....when you have time. :)

Not mine....but the same model:

http://www.johansoldradios.se/tape-recorders/grundig-tk-14 (http://www.johansoldradios.se/tape-recorders/grundig-tk-14)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 09, 2011, 05:47:17 PM
Too many damn posts featuring old reel-to-reel tape decks for my enlightened and noble and morally and intellectually superior satisfaction.  ;)

Really, guys, I miss Anne, too...and Rena...and Muriel.  (Though I sort of keep up to date with Rena via Facebook.  Muriel and I kept up with emails for a couple of years, but we haven't swapped messages in quite a while.)  Heck, I even miss Mike Forever. (Don't call me Mike.  It's M!  M Forever!) He's still castigating the victimized sort elsewhere, but it's hardly the same.

I presume I'm not the only one who has said most of what I have to say about X's 43rd Symphony or Y's Kazoo Concerto so many times already that I'm not interested in what I have to say about it, and I suspect few others are, either.  Anyone who's that interested is welcome to look through the thousands of old posts on the site, or on the old forum that's still archived (at least it was the last time I looked--and I do go there occasionally to look something up from the past).

As for "new," obscure (or at least relatively uncelebrated) composers--that interest is what drew me to this site in the first place.  But after a few years of following up the latest enthusiasm, I can't say that there's a single one of the "unknowns" who has captured and held my interest.  On the other hand, during my time here I've come to greater appreciation of damned near every composer in the book, even the best known and most beloved, but especially the 2nd and 3rd tier sorts like Dvořák and RVW--largely through the impassioned posts of a persuasive champion who's encouraged me to take a deeper or broader listen to such fellows.

As for the many inveterate collectors who enjoy acquiring and discussing various recorded performances of Beethoven's Quartets or Schoenberg's Polkas, they certainly have their place, too, and these discussions and recommendations have also opened my ears to new or hitherto overlooked beauties. Certainly there are some collectors whose comments have never seemed to go much beyond, "Look what I got today!"--but I'm free to pay them no mind and the ignore button makes it especially easy to avoid the most persistent irritants.

One of the things that attracted me to GMG right away was the community of far-flung souls joined by a common interest, some of whom are folks I'd probably have lunch or coffee with frequently if we didn't live on different continents (and in some cases, perhaps, different universes!). Many members here are charming and convivial and have great senses of humor--even if I don't get all the jokes and allusions (I'm too old to keep up with the pop culture flavor of the week, but there are enough old codgers like me to be sure that I'll get some jokes, and some folks will even get mine!)

In short, I doubt I'm the only one who finds much to value in the camaraderie and warmth I find here.  In my opinion it's the most consistently enjoyable and enlightening classical music community on the web.  And it's the members who make it that way and who keep drawing me back, despite the occasional months-long hiatus.

Cheers, y'all!  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 09, 2011, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on November 09, 2011, 05:47:17 PM

Really, guys, I miss Anne, too...and Rena...and Muriel.  (Though I sort of keep up to date with Rena via Facebook.  Muriel and I kept up with emails for a couple of years, but we haven't swapped messages in quite a while.)  Heck, I even miss Mike Forever. (Don't call me Mike.  It's M!  M Forever!) He's still castigating the victimized sort elsewhere, but it's hardly the same.

One of the things that attracted me to GMG right away was the community of far-flung souls joined by a common interest, some of whom are folks I'd probably have lunch or coffee with frequently if we didn't live on different continents (and in some cases, perhaps, different universes!). Many members here are charming and convivial and have great senses of humor--even if I don't get all the jokes and allusions (I'm too old to keep up with the pop culture flavor of the week, but there are enough old codgers like me to be sure that I'll get some jokes, and some folks will even get mine!)

In short, I doubt I'm the only one who finds much to value in the camaraderie and warmth I find here. In my opinion it's the most consistently enjoyable and enlightening classical music community on the web.  And it's the members who make it that way and who keep drawing me back, despite the occasional months-long hiatus.

Cheers, y'all!  ;D


0:) 0:) 0:) 0:)                     
A m e n !

Hooray for us!  Yes, as I mentioned earlier, it is financially and maritally    :o     impossible to follow every recommendation!

I have in recent years re-discovered e.g Jan Kalliwoda and for the first time discovered the incredible Sergei Protopopov through people here at GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 09, 2011, 06:26:01 PM
If you shoot her an email in the future, David, tell her Bogey says, "Hey."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on November 10, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
Wax pedantic or don't. This is a community and everyone is here for different reasons and have different styles of posting. From a thumbs-up to a friend to a long, possibly boring opinion post. It's all good in the end.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: cilgwyn on November 10, 2011, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 08, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
Thank you both for your very kind remarks :)

At the present time I am so incredibly busy digitising the British music in my collection of reel-to-reel tapes and uploading mp3 versions for the exclusive use of members of another site that I simply cannot find time to post about any more 'obscure composers'. I had hoped to write about another fine but largely unsung Norwegian composer-Ragnar Soderlind-but this will have to wait, I regret to say :(

Now's my chance!
Anyone for an August Bungert thread?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 10, 2011, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: cilgwyn on November 10, 2011, 10:53:55 AM
Now's my chance!
Anyone for an August Bungert thread?
Not another August Bungert thread!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 10, 2011, 11:27:16 AM
Quote from: Ataraxia on November 10, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
Wax pedantic or don't.

I sing the wax pedantic . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on November 10, 2011, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 10, 2011, 11:27:16 AM
I sing the wax pedantic . . . .

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on November 11, 2011, 12:35:13 PM
I notice that Sarge has been MIA for a week now. Anyone keep in contact with him via other means? Everything ok there?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on November 11, 2011, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on November 11, 2011, 12:35:13 PM
I notice that Sarge has been MIA for a week now. Anyone keep in contact with him via other means? Everything ok there?

Sarge is buried under all the CD'S he ordered this year, he is forced to listen first, before he can reach the computer again.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 12, 2011, 05:20:09 AM
Sarge is busy negotiating a new long-term contract with the hardest working postwoman in Germany!  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 12, 2011, 05:51:25 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 12, 2011, 05:20:09 AM
Sarge is busy negotiating a new long-term contract with the hardest working postwoman in Germany!  :D
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 12, 2011, 05:54:34 AM
Does anyone else reflexively check his own crotch when he sees the title of this thread?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on November 12, 2011, 07:10:57 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on November 12, 2011, 05:54:34 AM
Does anyone else reflexively check his own crotch when he sees the title of this thread?

Again, we return to zombies.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
I'm back. I had my biennial heart scare and the German socialized medical system decided to keep me 11 days with exhaustive, and exhausting, tests and probes and "what not" (I read a lot of Wooster and Jeeves on the Kindle while relaxing in my beautiful two bed suite  ;D ). Conclusion the same as always: I've got a sterling ticker. Apparently it just likes to freak me out every two years or so.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on November 15, 2011, 08:09:35 AM
Sergeant Rock, indeed! Welcome back. :)

As for Wooster and Jeeves: perfect panacea.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 15, 2011, 08:15:21 AM
Warm welcome back, lad!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:27:30 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on November 15, 2011, 08:09:35 AM
Sergeant Rock, indeed! Welcome back. :)

As for Wooster and Jeeves: perfect panacea.

Quote from: karlhenning on November 15, 2011, 08:15:21 AM
Warm welcome back, lad!


Halloa! Halloa! Halloa! What?

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 15, 2011, 08:31:23 AM
Welcome back, Sargeant!

Very happy to hear you are doing well, and feeling better!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 09:16:42 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 15, 2011, 08:31:23 AM
Welcome back, Sargeant!

Very happy to hear you are doing well, and feeling better!  :)

What ho, Nut!

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on November 15, 2011, 11:15:46 AM
Welcome home!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 15, 2011, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: Ataraxia on November 12, 2011, 07:10:57 AM
Again, we return to zombies.
:D

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
Conclusion the same as always: I've got a sterling ticker.
Glad to hear it!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on November 15, 2011, 11:40:58 AM
At ease now Sarge, just go back to the front door and receive the piles of CD's, left there by the lady of the Deutsche Bundespost. ;D
Welcome back my friend.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 15, 2011, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: Ataraxia on November 12, 2011, 07:10:57 AM
Again, we return to zombies.
:D
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
Conclusion the same as always: I've got a sterling ticker.
Glad to hear it!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 15, 2011, 11:51:57 AM
Glad that Glomez isn't the only one with a sterling silver ticker!

(http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams/tickertape2.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on November 15, 2011, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
I'm back. I had my biennial heart scare and the German socialized medical system decided to keep me 11 days with exhaustive, and exhausting, tests and probes and "what not" (I read a lot of Wooster and Jeeves on the Kindle while relaxing in my beautiful two bed suite  ;D ). Conclusion the same as always: I've got a sterling ticker. Apparently it just likes to freak me out every two years or so.

Sarge
That's great to hear. Probably been oggling too many like this...ooops! :)
(http://www.goremasternews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Rachel-Nichols-as-Tamara.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on November 15, 2011, 12:33:13 PM
Welcome back, Sarge.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 15, 2011, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on November 15, 2011, 12:04:44 PM
That's great to hear. Probably been oggling too many like this...ooops! :)
(http://www.goremasternews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Rachel-Nichols-as-Tamara.jpg)
Is that Sarge's postwoman?

No wonder his heart is palpitating!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on November 15, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
I'm back. I had my biennial heart scare and the German socialized medical system decided to keep me 11 days with exhaustive, and exhausting, tests and probes and "what not" (I read a lot of Wooster and Jeeves on the Kindle while relaxing in my beautiful two bed suite  ;D ). Conclusion the same as always: I've got a sterling ticker. Apparently it just likes to freak me out every two years or so.

Sarge

Glad to hear all's well, Sarge. Wagala weia! Wallala, weiala weia!

(Or words to that effect.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on November 15, 2011, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 15, 2011, 08:15:21 AM
Warm welcome back, lad!

Pounded the table so much I need to go out and buy a new one.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 17, 2011, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
I'm back. I had my biennial heart scare and the German socialized medical system decided to keep me 11 days with exhaustive, and exhausting, tests and probes and "what not" (I read a lot of Wooster and Jeeves on the Kindle while relaxing in my beautiful two bed suite  ;D ). Conclusion the same as always: I've got a sterling ticker. Apparently it just likes to freak me out every two years or so.

Sarge

Very glad to hear this. I was getting really worried and compounding that with feeling guilty about not doing a better job finding out what was happening. Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on November 17, 2011, 07:37:28 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 15, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
I'm back. I had my biennial heart scare and the German socialized medical system decided to keep me 11 days with exhaustive, and exhausting, tests and probes and "what not" (I read a lot of Wooster and Jeeves on the Kindle while relaxing in my beautiful two bed suite  ;D ). Conclusion the same as always: I've got a sterling ticker. Apparently it just likes to freak me out every two years or so.

Welcome back!

I won't post any pics of Annabella Lwin to celebrate this return, though. For the moment: just dream of her, OK? ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on November 17, 2011, 11:01:11 PM
Welcome back, Sarge!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 19, 2011, 07:24:18 AM
This forum was falling apart like a cheap suit without, Sarge. ;D  Welcome back!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 19, 2011, 08:31:32 AM
Reminds me ... of that ancient Egyptian whose name makes me think "hot, cheap suit"...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on March 07, 2012, 05:12:14 AM
Several people seem to be missing lately. Cato for instance. And a David.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 07, 2012, 05:19:10 AM
Cato is keeping busy; continues well. That Real Life thang . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 07, 2012, 05:37:57 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 19, 2011, 08:31:32 AM
Reminds me ... of that ancient Egyptian whose name makes me think "hot, cheap suit"...

Tut, tut, Karl... :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on March 07, 2012, 05:39:24 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 07, 2012, 05:19:10 AM
Cato is keeping busy; continues well. That Real Life thang . . . .

Oh, that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scion7 on March 07, 2012, 04:32:04 PM
boy, did I misread what this thread was about!


                 :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 07, 2012, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: Scion7 on March 07, 2012, 04:32:04 PM
boy, did I misread what this thread was about!


                 :o

Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen, if you were tuning in to see the John Wayne Bobbitt memorial, please be advised that it is airing on BBC 3.... :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 09, 2012, 11:53:31 AM
Anyone know what happened to DavidRoss? I hope he is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 09, 2012, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on March 09, 2012, 11:53:31 AM
Anyone know what happened to DavidRoss? I hope he is ok.

David splits his time between here and another forum. Usually he stays on one or the other at any given time, rather than both at once. I expect he will be along soon. I miss him too, I haven't had much to moderate lately.... :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on March 09, 2012, 11:57:50 AM
He's on Facebook as well. Or he was the last time I was there.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
I really miss Saul....NOT!!! I know Brian has been busy, but I miss his posts and Luke doesn't post that often but when he does he always finds something interesting to say (unlike me). Another member I miss is Haydnguy or HaydnFan, I can't remember. I also miss Sid very much. He and I had several disagreements, but I considered him a friend.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Philoctetes on March 09, 2012, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
I really miss Saul....NOT!!! I know Brian has been busy, but I miss his posts and Luke doesn't post that often but when he does he always finds something interesting to say (unlike me). Another member I miss is Haydnguy or HaydnFan, I can't remember. I also miss Sid very much. He and I had several disagreements, but I considered him a friend.

Sid's not coming back before he left though he sent me a very nice message. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
Quote from: Philoctetes on March 09, 2012, 07:57:35 PM
Sid's not coming back before he left though he sent me a very nice message. :)

Yeah, I kind of figured he isn't either, but this doesn't stop me from missing his posts. He and I had many personal messages sent back and forth. He's a good guy for sure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 08:21:10 PM
Another member I miss is Ray (ChamberNut). I wonder what's happened to him. I'm friends with him on Facebook, but I haven't seen any activity from him in quite some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Philoctetes on March 09, 2012, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
Yeah, I kind of figured he isn't either, but this doesn't stop me from missing his posts. He and I had many personal messages sent back and forth. He's a good guy for sure.

Indeed. He was one of my few contemporary cohorts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on March 11, 2012, 03:15:47 AM
Florestan?  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on March 11, 2012, 03:56:46 AM
Quote from: Scots John on March 11, 2012, 03:15:47 AM
Florestan?  :(

He's not so much missing as he is simply quiet compared to usual.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 12, 2012, 07:40:04 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on March 11, 2012, 03:56:46 AM
He's not so much missing as he is simply quiet compared to usual.

Exactly. But it feels very good to know that I'm missed. Thanks, guys, love you too! :-* 

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 12, 2012, 07:46:16 AM
: )
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: madaboutmahler on March 12, 2012, 12:45:51 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 08:21:10 PM
Another member I miss is Ray (ChamberNut). I wonder what's happened to him. I'm friends with him on Facebook, but I haven't seen any activity from him in quite some time.

Yes... I was wondering where Ray is too... I haven't seen him here or on facebook for quite a while. Hope he gets back soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on March 17, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
I sincerely hope that I was in no way responsible for David's (W) deletion of his membership and that this is just part of his regular practice of taking a break every few months. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on March 17, 2012, 08:09:05 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 08:21:10 PM
Another member I miss is Ray (ChamberNut). I wonder what's happened to him. I'm friends with him on Facebook, but I haven't seen any activity from him in quite some time.

With hockey finally back in Winnipeg and the Mosquitos .... I mean the JETS within 2 points of a playoff spot, maybe Ray decided to concentrate on hockey for a few weeks and, hopefully, a couple of months. Two-For-Roughing and Five-For-Fighting and a Ten-Minute-Misconduct don't go well with chamber music, as you know.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 17, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on March 17, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
I sincerely hope that I was in no way responsible for David's (W) deletion of his membership and that this is just part of his regular practice of taking a break every few months. :(

He says not, Navneeth. He is under lots of pressure at work right now and needed a break. He'll be back soon to run the blind listening on the Haydn Op 50. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 17, 2012, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on March 17, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
He says not, Navneeth. He is under lots of pressure at work right now and needed a break. He'll be back soon to run the blind listening on the Haydn Op 50. :)

8)

But where better to take a break and relax than here, where your friends are always up for a knockdown-dragout fight over the inconsequential?  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on March 17, 2012, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on March 17, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
He says not, Navneeth. He is under lots of pressure at work right now and needed a break. He'll be back soon to run the blind listening on the Haydn Op 50. :)

8)

Thanks for the message, Gurn. I was especially worried since he was excited about the Haydn blind listening. I look forward to his return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on March 19, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
I haven't seen that Daverz dude.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on March 19, 2012, 05:41:42 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 09, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
I really miss Saul....NOT!!! I know Brian has been busy, but I miss his posts

Aw, thanks. :) Yeah, I'm busy these days and am lucky to squeeze in a post a day. I just got back from a 9-day vacation too - not only no GMG, but no classical music!  :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on March 19, 2012, 05:57:21 PM
Quote from: Brian on March 19, 2012, 05:41:42 PM
Aw, thanks. :) Yeah, I'm busy these days and am lucky to squeeze in a post a day. I just got back from a 9-day vacation too - not only no GMG, but no classical music!  :o

That is not a vacation. That is inprisonment!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 19, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: Brian on March 19, 2012, 05:41:42 PM
Aw, thanks. :) Yeah, I'm busy these days and am lucky to squeeze in a post a day. I just got back from a 9-day vacation too - not only no GMG, but no classical music!  :o

Good to see you, Brian! I hope all is well. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 20, 2012, 02:05:24 AM
Quote from: springrite on March 19, 2012, 05:57:21 PM
That is not a vacation. That is inprisonment!

Something like. Even I listened to some Bruckner on our recent vacation . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on April 19, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
I have been 'missing' for a wee while.  I am no longer 'missing'.   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 19, 2012, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Scots John on April 19, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
I have been 'missing' for a wee while.  I am no longer 'missing'.   0:)

Great to have you back, John! :D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 19, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Scots John on April 19, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
I have been 'missing' for a wee while.  I am no longer 'missing'.   0:)
Quote from: madaboutmahler on April 19, 2012, 12:54:45 PM
Great to have you back, John! :D

+1 :D

Welcome back, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 19, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Scots John on April 19, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
I have been 'missing' for a wee while.  I am no longer 'missing'.   0:)

Welcome back, John! I missed your posts!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: fridden on April 19, 2012, 08:50:31 PM
Nice to see you again John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 20, 2012, 03:45:48 AM
Johnnie, 'tis time for a fresh quarterly, meseems! Good to have you back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 20, 2012, 07:24:28 AM
Quote from: Scots John on April 19, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
I have been 'missing' for a wee while.  I am no longer 'missing'.   0:)

Dude!  Whassup?   8)

Check your e-mail for a few past messages!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on April 20, 2012, 08:16:35 AM
Is he gone again?  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on April 20, 2012, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 19, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Welcome back, John! I missed your posts!

You can't!  :o You were supposed to be missing yourself .. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 21, 2012, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: Christo on April 20, 2012, 10:20:35 AM
You can't!  :o You were supposed to be missing yourself .. ;)

That's true! You've been missing in action until recently too, Christo. Glad to have you back as well. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on May 12, 2012, 04:26:32 AM
What's up with Don Satz? I see he's recently deleted his profile--again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 12, 2012, 04:31:47 AM
Phoenix-like, he is Sammy, Dave.

And good morning, amigo!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on May 12, 2012, 04:45:52 AM
¡Buenos dias, muchacho! Nice to know he's not gone, merely transfigured.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 12, 2012, 04:52:16 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 12, 2012, 04:31:47 AM
Phoenix-like, he is Sammy, Dave.

And good morning, amigo!

Shouldn't that be Sammy Davies?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on May 12, 2012, 05:13:57 AM
Quote from: The new erato on May 12, 2012, 04:52:16 AM
Shouldn't that be Sammy Davies?
You betcha, Junior!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on May 12, 2012, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on May 12, 2012, 04:45:52 AM
¡Buenos dias, muchacho!

Aha! I thought it was you, hiding behind that tree. Welcome back to the wonderful GMG world of Transatlantic CD shipments in Inflatable Mail-Delivering Dinghies, and Infectious Bouncing Planets.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on May 14, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: Elgarian on May 12, 2012, 08:54:30 AM
Aha! I thought it was you, hiding behind that tree. Welcome back to the wonderful GMG world of Transatlantic CD shipments in Inflatable Mail-Delivering Dinghies, and Infectious Bouncing Planets.
Thanks, dude! Infectious is right--I'm about to drop the figurative needle on Gardiner's recording.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on May 14, 2012, 07:02:00 PM
Has the gardening started in earnest yet, my friend?  Welcome back!

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 15, 2012, 02:40:28 AM
You gents rock! (Yes, Alan, you're one of them I'm talkin' to!)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on May 15, 2012, 04:46:48 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 15, 2012, 02:40:28 AM
You gents rock!

I think we're all (including you, Karl) very happy to be in the company of Handel - who, as we now recognise, invented rock and roll.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 15, 2012, 04:48:21 AM
Handel in the Dinghy
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on May 15, 2012, 04:53:13 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 15, 2012, 04:48:21 AM
Handel in the Dinghy

We're all in the Dinghy, old chap. And the Dinghy is in the Shed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 15, 2012, 05:19:15 AM
I shed my dinghy a few years ago and bought a real boat.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 15, 2012, 05:53:05 AM
So long as no one rocks the dinghy . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on May 15, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: The new erato on May 15, 2012, 05:19:15 AM
I shed my dinghy a few years ago and bought a real boat.

And there's nothing wrong with that (except you forfeit the possibility of ever being a famously slow Amazon Marketplace seller).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: snyprrr on May 31, 2012, 08:17:29 PM
Have you seen 'River Monsters'? :o Talk about missing members...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on June 01, 2012, 01:28:54 AM
I do not see Matti any more! I have send him a enormous pile of CD'S, and never heard again from him. Maybe he drowned in all those CD'S. Anyway, I would have loved some feedback. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 02, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
Antoine Marchand (recently changed to 'Eric') has suddenly become a guest. It's a sad day here at GMG, at the least for yours truly... :(

8)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on June 02, 2012, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
Antoine Marchand (recently changed to 'Eric') has suddenly become a guest. It's a sad day here at GMG, at the least for yours truly... :(



+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on June 03, 2012, 07:04:21 AM
Quote from: Harry on June 01, 2012, 01:28:54 AM
I do not see Matti any more! I have send him a enormous pile of CD'S, and never heard again from him. Maybe he drowned in all those CD'S. Anyway, I would have loved some feedback. :(

Give him a few weeks and he will come back with an enormous pile of feedbacks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on June 03, 2012, 07:08:22 AM
Quote from: springrite on June 03, 2012, 07:04:21 AM
Give him a few weeks and he will come back with an enormous pile of feedbacks.

Ehhhhh I have send those CD'S a year ago.......................
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 03, 2012, 07:22:14 PM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
Antoine Marchand (recently changed to 'Eric') has suddenly become a guest. It's a sad day here at GMG, at the least for yours truly... :(

Oh no! One of the very best of us.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on June 04, 2012, 01:25:13 AM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
Antoine Marchand (recently changed to 'Eric') has suddenly become a guest. It's a sad day here at GMG, at the least for yours truly... :(

That's not good news. I hope he comes back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on June 04, 2012, 01:29:05 AM
It is certainly sad if Antoine leaves permanently. Hopefully he'll soon come back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on June 04, 2012, 01:29:42 AM
Quote from: Brian on June 03, 2012, 07:22:14 PM
Oh no! One of the very best of us.
Doesn't say much, but yes; we miss him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 04, 2012, 03:23:51 AM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
Antoine Marchand (recently changed to 'Eric') has suddenly become a guest. It's a sad day here at GMG, at the least for yours truly... :(

I am deeply shocked.  :( :'(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on June 04, 2012, 06:24:46 AM
I just listened to an exceptional recording of Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante last night.  Antoine recommended it to me last summer.  Hope he comes back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 04, 2012, 06:30:50 AM
Quote from: DavidW on June 04, 2012, 06:24:46 AM
. . . Hope he comes back.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Leo K. on June 04, 2012, 07:01:10 AM
That is sad to hear about Antoine, I will miss him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 05, 2012, 11:39:09 PM
Quote from: Leo K on June 04, 2012, 07:01:10 AM
That is sad to hear about Antoine, I will miss him.

Me, too. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 09, 2012, 07:39:02 AM
I too hope he'll come back soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on June 09, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
Let's not forget that we're also missing lots of non-members here.  :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 09, 2012, 05:29:30 PM
People are not necessarily leaving. Life is quite demanding, and there is so little time...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 09, 2012, 05:35:04 PM
Nice to "see" you, André!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 09, 2012, 05:56:54 PM
Thank you Karl  : :-* Many thanks for your Christmas wishes, and a thousand apologies for being such a lousy correspondent  :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 10, 2012, 04:38:04 AM
No worries! Life &amp; all, understood.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: madaboutmahler on June 17, 2012, 04:22:25 AM
Does anyone know where David (W) has gone? It appears his facebook account has been deleted, and he is now a 'guest' here on GMG.... I hope he comes back soon! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on June 17, 2012, 04:24:53 AM
Quote from: madaboutmahler on June 17, 2012, 04:22:25 AM
Does anyone know where David (W) has gone? It appears his facebook account has been deleted, and he is now a 'guest' here on GMG.... I hope he comes back soon! :)

It's a periodic thing. Don't worry, he'll be back, given the pattern. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on June 26, 2012, 02:23:42 PM
Any word from him?

I thought perhaps the new Hans Rott CD with the premiere recording of the Suite for Orchestra would bring him out of aestivation.

[asin]B007O40PN2[/asin]
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on June 26, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: Cato on June 26, 2012, 02:23:42 PM
Any word from him?

I thought perhaps the new Hans Rott CD with the premiere recording of the Suite for Orchestra would bring him out of aestivation.

[asin]B007O40PN2[/asin]

Perhaps he's too busy reveling in it to bother checking in. 

Speaking of people who have not put in an appearance lately--is Que on vacation?  I haven't noticed him in what seems at least two or three weeks.

BTW, Cato, totally off topic--where's your sig quote from?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on June 26, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on June 26, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
Speaking of people who have not put in an appearance lately--is Que on vacation?  I haven't noticed him in what seems at least two or three weeks.

I saw him online a couple of nights ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 27, 2012, 04:24:34 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on June 26, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
I saw him online a couple of nights ago.

He is on vacation, should be returning soon. I think the online sightings are due to having a moment to check in from the road. Insatiable curiosity, as it were. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on June 27, 2012, 06:50:18 AM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 27, 2012, 04:24:34 AM
He is on vacation, should be returning soon. I think the online sightings are due to having a moment to check in from the road. Insatiable curiosity, as it were. :)

8)

He's already registered his return -- at the Listening and Purchases threads. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on June 27, 2012, 07:26:56 AM
Aha!

So some of you have sighted our raram avem!   ;D

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 27, 2012, 07:29:38 AM
Yo, Cato! : )
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on June 27, 2012, 07:47:20 AM
.[asin]0312357990[/asin]
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on June 27, 2012, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: Cato on June 26, 2012, 02:23:42 PM
Any word from him?

I thought perhaps the new Hans Rott CD with the premiere recording of the Suite for Orchestra would bring him out of aestivation.

[asin]B007O40PN2[/asin]

Paavo looks disturbingly like Vladimir Putin.   ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 27, 2012, 08:09:42 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on June 27, 2012, 07:47:20 AM
.[asin]0312357990[/asin]

Co-written with Lorena Bobbit.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 27, 2012, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: Cato on June 27, 2012, 07:54:34 AM
Paavo looks disturbingly like Vladimir Putin.   ;D

ZING!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: eyeresist on June 27, 2012, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: Cato on June 27, 2012, 07:54:34 AMPaavo looks disturbingly like Vladimir Putin.   ;D

I said it first!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on July 02, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
Illness and stuff.  I have not been a well wee cookie for some months, but things are getting better.  Yes, I got the Hans Rott/Putin album, obviously much better sounding than the MP3 of the Rott/Putin concert which I also have.  And a Hans Rott premiere too.  Hans Rott ist immer noch meine Nummer eins Sinfoniker, auch wenn er nur geschafft, eins zu bekommen da draußen.  However, I still believe a reference edition is still to be recorded - Jac van Steen did a live version of it in '97, which is close.  Aye.
;)
I am sorry about my attendance, especially to certain people, one of whom sent me some Enescu / Reger discs and whose name rhymes with Plato, and one who I opted in for a blind listening experience in April but did not actually participate.   :'(  Well, I have only said it once before, but it's worth repeating in case I am misunderstood.  In 1998 whilst teaching in London I got a severe brain injury, the reprecussions of which affect me to this day, and I am still stuck in 1998!  Pah!  This accounts for bouts of mental side-tracking, eccentricities, absences and not-very-wellness for months at a time, and is the reason for my long absences since I joined the mighty GMG in 1998...ooops, 2008.  And thats that.
Still!  No point in saying welcome back as who knows I might be away again in a month.   :D   As things improve (again) I will post more...starting (again) today...  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on July 02, 2012, 09:15:40 AM
Well, even if you disappear again, welcome back! And very glad you're feeling better... :D

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: madaboutmahler on July 02, 2012, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: Brewski on July 02, 2012, 09:15:40 AM
Well, even if you disappear again, welcome back! And very glad you're feeling better... :D

--Bruce

+1

Good to hear from you again, John! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 02, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: Scots John on July 02, 2012, 09:10:02 AMI am still stuck in 1998!  Pah!

Welcome back to the boards, John! You've missed a good bit in the past few months, so just to update you, France are the world's best football side and President Clinton has been getting it on with the interns again.

...but in all seriousness, hope you can stay and hope you're feeling OK more regularly. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 02, 2012, 12:28:20 PM
Quote from: Scots John on July 02, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
Illness and stuff.  I have not been a well wee cookie for some months, but things are getting better. 

Yay Team!  It is good to know that your life is improving!  Tell us more, if you are able!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on July 02, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: Brian on July 02, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Welcome back to the boards, John! You've missed a good bit in the past few months, so just to update you, France are the world's best football side and President Clinton has been getting it on with the interns again.

...but in all seriousness, hope you can stay and hope you're feeling OK more regularly. :)

Yes, and my beloved GREEN BAY PACKERS got a kicking at Superbowl 32 (end of '97 season) by the Broncos this year too.  And France were only lucky that Scotland didn't get through to the final rounds of the World Cup though.   ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 03, 2012, 05:12:13 AM
Good to see you back here, Johnnie!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 12, 2012, 12:50:33 PM

Jochanaan hasn't been around for 7 months now (12/20/11). Pity, he was a saner head when one was needed. And here nearly as long as I have been!

So it goes.... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 12, 2012, 12:54:12 PM
Every now and again, he does me the honor of favoriting and/or replying to a tweet of mine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on July 12, 2012, 11:19:05 PM
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on July 12, 2012, 12:50:33 PM
Jochanaan hasn't been around for 7 months now (12/20/11). Pity, he was a saner head when one was needed. And here nearly as long as I have been!

So it goes.... :-\

8)

If all's right at his end, I'm sure he'll pop his head in as soon as a non-recording-centric musical topic crops up in these parts*. I almost always learn something of interest when he posts, be it about the music, its performance or history.



*I suppose he thinks the "Masses in Classical Austria" thread is in a capable pair of hands (or two) as it is. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: eyeresist on July 12, 2012, 11:50:21 PM
I'm still here, worse luck ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 13, 2012, 02:59:26 AM
Well, this is Poverty Street, mate.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 26, 2012, 11:13:09 AM
Whud I miss? Whar'd Fafner go?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on July 26, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
The X5 hitman got 'im.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 26, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
I'm deeply moved by all the kind words expressed when I was reported as missing.  :) But I never really thought to leave this board permanently; on the contrary, I simply thought my posts were being increasingly routine, so I believed it would be a prudent decision to make a pause. And that's what I did for near a month.

Shortly, I'm back again what recalls me that "more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones."   :P ;D

Gordon Shumway (formerly Antoine Marchand)

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on July 26, 2012, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
I'm deeply moved by all the kind words expressed when I was reported as missing.  :) But I never really thought to leave this board permanently; on the contrary, I simply thought my posts were being increasingly routine, so I believed it would be a prudent decision to make a pause. And that's what I did for near a month.

Shortly, I'm back again what recalls me that "more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones."   :P ;D

Gordon Shumway (formerly Antoine Marchand)

:)
Good! We need your informed postings on baroque music; there's not many of us baroqe lovers around.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 26, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 26, 2012, 11:13:09 AM
Whud I miss? Whar'd Fafner go?

Yeah, a shame he's gone...again. I got a PM from him that said, in part, "I find it [GMG] too addictive, it sucks up too much of my time, so I'm afraid I will be withdrawing (again)."

I'll miss him.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on July 26, 2012, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 26, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
Yeah, a shame he's gone...again. I got a PM from him that said, in part, "I find it [GMG] too addictive, it sucks up too much of my time, so I'm afraid I will be withdrawing (again)."

I'll miss him.

Sarge
Yep. There must be a Siegfried lurking.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 26, 2012, 01:26:43 PM
Quote from: The new erato on July 26, 2012, 01:02:08 PM
Good! We need your informed postings on baroque music; there's not many of us baroqe lovers around.

It's true: we (barock-ers!) are unfortunately very few these days on board. Maybe we have failed in communicating the Good News of the historically informed Baroque Music.  :( ;) 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 26, 2012, 01:39:03 PM
It's all just stagnant back catalogue, anyway. We must be realistic.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on July 26, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
Shortly, I'm back again
Gordon Shumway (formerly Antoine Marchand)

The day just got better.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 26, 2012, 01:47:00 PM
Welcome back, O former Antoine!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 26, 2012, 01:56:01 PM
Welcome back, Antoine!

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 26, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
Yeah, a shame he's gone...again. I got a PM from him that said, in part, "I find it [GMG] too addictive, it sucks up too much of my time, so I'm afraid I will be withdrawing (again)."

(again)? Who was Fafner?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 26, 2012, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
I'm deeply moved by all the kind words expressed when I was reported as missing.  :) But I never really thought to leave this board permanently; on the contrary, I simply thought my posts were being increasingly routine, so I believed it would be a prudent decision to make a pause. And that's what I did for near a month.

Shortly, I'm back again what recalls me that "more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones."   :P ;D

Gordon Shumway (formerly Antoine Marchand)

:)

Antoine, sooo glad you're back! :) :)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 26, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: Que on July 26, 2012, 02:02:27 PM
Antoine, sooo glad you're back! :) :)

Q

Oh, I see you were "moderated" by Gurn, dear Q!  ;D

Thanks to you, Elgarian and Karl. All of you are nice and kind people, as it's not easy to find on the web.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 26, 2012, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
Oh, I see you were "moderated" by Gurn, dear Q!  ;D

Thanks to you, Elgarian and Karl. All of you are nice and kind people, as it's not easy to find on the web.

Dude! Antoine Marchand!  Rock on, Dude!   8)

And about the only French name that is cooler would be Guy Gadbois !

http://www.youtube.com/v/sMqgj20r874

From The Return of the Pink Panther with Catherine Schell, who was incapable of keeping a straight face during the scene.  This is not an out-take.  Director Blake Edwards decided just to keep her break-up at the end.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on July 26, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
Welcome back, Antoine'/Gordon.

Or should I say,  welcome Bach?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on July 26, 2012, 06:08:22 PM
Welcome back Antoine. I've seen you on GMG for a few years, but now I'm confused: Antoine/Gordon from Chile ? And you expect us to keep track?  ;)

Cato:Is Catherine related to Maria and Maximilian Schell ?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 26, 2012, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: André on July 26, 2012, 06:08:22 PM

Cato:Is Catherine related to Maria and Maximilian Schell ?

No, she is descended from (Austro) Hungarian parents named Schell von Bauschlott.  Her last big role was on Space:1999.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 26, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: Cato on July 26, 2012, 04:09:09 PM
Dude! Antoine Marchand!  Rock on, Dude!   8)

And about the only French name that is cooler would be Guy Gadbois !

http://www.youtube.com/v/sMqgj20r874

From The Return of the Pink Panther with Catherine Schell, who was incapable of keeping a straight face during the scene.  This is not an out-take.  Director Blake Edwards decided just to keep her break-up at the end.

:D ;D :D

Hi, Cato. I chose that nickname because when I registered myself here, I was listening to a disc conducted by Ton Koopman (=Antoine Marchand in French). It was a disc of cantatas precisely recorded in the sub-label of Challenge called "Antoine Marchand" (founded by Koopman when Erato, not our Erato anyway  :), cancelled his project of recording all the Bach cantatas.  :)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 26, 2012, 07:01:23 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on July 26, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
Welcome back, Antoine'/Gordon.

Or should I say,  welcome Bach?

Oh, yes. I love so much Bach's music that I'm even listening to some of his keyboard music played on piano. For instance, these days I'm quite interested in Craig Sheppard.   
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 26, 2012, 07:03:37 PM
Quote from: André on July 26, 2012, 06:08:22 PM
Welcome back Antoine. I've seen you on GMG for a few years, but now I'm confused: Antoine/Gordon from Chile ? And you expect us to keep track?  ;)

Need I to add that my real name is Eric?  ;D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on July 26, 2012, 07:44:23 PM
Hi Eric (d.b.a. Antoine ;D) Nice to see you back - and I'm not even a huge Baroque fan (though I did see the Met's pastiche, The Enchanted Island, last spring and loved it), but I recognize sane, intelligent posters and appreciate them, whatever genre they enjoy.

--Bruce



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 26, 2012, 11:16:43 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
Oh, I see you were "moderated" by Gurn, dear Q!  ;D


I guess I might have been overly enthusiastic.  ;D ;)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 27, 2012, 10:08:22 AM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
I'm deeply moved by all the kind words expressed when I was reported as missing.  :) But I never really thought to leave this board permanently; on the contrary, I simply thought my posts were being increasingly routine, so I believed it would be a prudent decision to make a pause. And that's what I did for near a month.

Shortly, I'm back again what recalls me that "more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones."   :P ;D

Gordon Shumway (formerly Antoine Marchand)

:)

Great news dear Eric.  :)

I seriously feared you had fallen victim to CDCDCD.

Gordon Shumway - hmm..  I do not think you are that alien after all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on July 27, 2012, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 27, 2012, 10:08:22 AM
I seriously feared you had fallen victim to CDCDCD.

Returning to the real world from GMG is actually rehab.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 27, 2012, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on July 27, 2012, 10:17:20 AM
Returning to the real world from GMG is actually rehab.

I do not think that a life in the real world excludes one or two daily visits to GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ataraxia on July 27, 2012, 10:32:58 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 27, 2012, 10:26:40 AM
I do not think that a life in the real world excludes one or two daily visits to GMG.

Some people live here and not in the real world.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 27, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
(* ducks with composition notebook *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 27, 2012, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on July 27, 2012, 10:32:58 AM
Some people live here and not in the real world.

Yes, I know, but I do not think this is true of Eric.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on July 27, 2012, 11:36:37 AM
Welcome back, Antoine/Ton/Eric !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on July 27, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 27, 2012, 10:26:40 AM
I do not think that a life in the real world excludes one or two daily visits to GMG.


What I meant to imply was, one has to stay in GMG to be victimised by CDCDCD and not by escaping to the real world.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on July 27, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
I'm deeply moved by all the kind words expressed when I was reported as missing.  :) But I never really thought to leave this board permanently; on the contrary, I simply thought my posts were being increasingly routine, so I believed it would be a prudent decision to make a pause. And that's what I did for near a month.

Shortly, I'm back again what recalls me that "more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones."   :P ;D

Gordon Shumway (formerly Antoine Marchand)

:)

Welcome back, mr. Shumway!

I do recognize this 'routine' feeling.
 
Luckilly only when posting in the guide of good music.
Not when listening to good music.

I've been to loads of concerts this summer so far, mainly (even mainly only ;D) organ recitals, and it's great fun.

So I've hushed up a bit on the forum, but I'm still lurking around and WILL BE BACK .... to routinely disagree with your routine posts again! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 27, 2012, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: Opus106 on July 27, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
What I meant to imply was, one has to stay in GMG to be victimised by CDCDCD and not by escaping to the real world.

Really? I contracted the CDCDCD long time before I ever heard of GMG or any other music forum - and BTW, what is the real world. Isn´t music part of the real world?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on July 27, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 27, 2012, 01:23:55 PM
Really? I contracted the CDCDCD long time before I ever heard of GMG or any other music forum

It's its effectiveness in the age of the Interwebs that makes it more potent here. In any case, I think I've done my bit in taking this thread of its rails, so I'll stop here. 0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on July 27, 2012, 02:53:17 PM
I miss Mirror Image.    :'(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on July 27, 2012, 03:01:51 PM
Quote from: Scots John on July 27, 2012, 02:53:17 PM
I miss Mirror Image.    :'(

You evidently didn't read the fine print - there's no crying on GMG. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on July 27, 2012, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 26, 2012, 07:01:23 PM
Oh, yes. I love so much Bach's music that I'm even listening to some of his keyboard music played on piano. For instance, these days I'm quite interested in Craig Sheppard.   

I hope you get the chance to hear his set of the Partitas; it's a knock-out performance.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 27, 2012, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Sammy on July 27, 2012, 03:04:37 PM
I hope you get the chance to hear his set of the Partitas; it's a knock-out performance.

I'll do it. These days I was listening to his Book 2 of the WTC and the experience was highly rewarding.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on July 27, 2012, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: Sammy on July 27, 2012, 03:01:51 PM
You evidently didn't read the fine print - there's no crying on GMG. ;D

I was not aware of the absence of MI. Our serial poster has left da building huh?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 28, 2012, 01:58:33 AM
Quote from: Harry on July 27, 2012, 09:48:43 PM
I was not aware of the absence of MI. Our serial poster has left da building huh?

Maybe his CD budget ran out?  ;)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 28, 2012, 02:42:07 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on July 27, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
.. I think I've done my bit in taking this thread of its rails, so I'll stop here. 0:)

You are welcome.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on July 28, 2012, 02:43:38 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 28, 2012, 02:42:07 AM
You are welcome.  :)

! ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on July 28, 2012, 02:48:01 AM
Quote from: Que on July 28, 2012, 01:58:33 AM
Maybe his CD budget ran out?  ;)

Q

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 28, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: Brewski on July 26, 2012, 07:44:23 PM
Hi Eric (d.b.a. Antoine ;D) Nice to see you back - and I'm not even a huge Baroque fan (though I did see the Met's pastiche, The Enchanted Island, last spring and loved it), but I recognize sane, intelligent posters and appreciate them, whatever genre they enjoy.

--Bruce

Hi, Bruce. I was watching some parts of The Enchanted Island; it seems a nice production. BTW, these kind of pasticci are quite in the same vein of the proceedings of the Baroque composers.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 28, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 27, 2012, 10:08:22 AM
Great news dear Eric.  :)

I seriously feared you had fallen victim to CDCDCD.

Oh, my dear friend, I think our immune system is fully prepared to face any attack of CDCDCD. Just two days ago I ordered some medication from Italy.  ;D

Quote from: (: premont :) on July 27, 2012, 10:08:22 AM
Gordon Shumway - hmm..  I do not think you are that alien after all.

I think the other way around: All of us are aliens! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 28, 2012, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: Marc on July 27, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
So I've hushed up a bit on the forum, but I'm still lurking around and WILL BE BACK .... to routinely disagree with your routine posts again! ;D

It would be always a pleasure disagree with you, Marc!  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 30, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
GMG member Anne who often followed opera topics here sent me a message yesterday.

She has had health problems for nearly a year, which prevented her from doing much of anything.  She is now at home, where Internet connections have suddenly become difficult.

So that explains her absence: she would like to be around on a more regular basis.but...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 30, 2012, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: Cato on July 30, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
GMG member Anne who often followed opera topics here sent me a message yesterday.

She has had health problems for nearly a year, which prevented her from doing much of anything.  She is now at home, where Internet connections have suddenly become difficult.

So that explains her absence: she would like to be around on a more regular basis.but...

So sorry to hear that. We could use her company again! :)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on July 31, 2012, 05:02:13 PM
Has anyone heard from Sara (Lethe-vich)?  She hasn't checked in here since 19 July--almost two weeks now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 31, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: Cato on July 30, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
GMG member Anne who often followed opera topics here sent me a message yesterday.

She has had health problems for nearly a year, which prevented her from doing much of anything.  She is now at home, where Internet connections have suddenly become difficult.

So that explains her absence: she would like to be around on a more regular basis.but...

Anne and I exchanged a lot of posts on the 'reading thread' - we had similar interests in medical history (in fact, she sent me a bio of William Osler, and I sent her several books that I had co-edited on radiology) - earlier this year I joined Facebook (talked into it by relatives but rarely use) - she friended me and we exchange a few emails; her respiratory health, as mentioned already,  is an issue - have not heard from her recently but I always enjoyed her presence and our mutual reading interests - Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 31, 2012, 05:34:32 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on July 31, 2012, 05:02:13 PM
Has anyone heard from Sara (Lethe-vich)?  She hasn't checked in here since 19 July--almost two weeks now.

I hope she only wants to scare us a little bit with this absence; she is one of our most intelligent and refreshing members... and one of the very few girls here!  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 31, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on July 31, 2012, 05:34:32 PM
I hope she only wants to scare us a little bit with this absence; she is one of our most intelligent and refreshing members... and one of the very few girls here!  :(

GMG Needs Women! 

Not quite the same as Mars Needs Women, but... 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on September 12, 2012, 08:22:08 AM
Quote from: Cato on July 31, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
GMG Needs Women! 

Not quite the same as Mars Needs Women, but... 8)

Nor is it that far different. :)

That said, it is now September 12 and the lovely and talented Sara is still unaccounted for since July 19.  I'm sad.... :(

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on September 12, 2012, 09:03:43 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on September 12, 2012, 08:22:08 AM
Nor is it that far different. :)

That said, it is now September 12 and the lovely and talented Sara is still unaccounted for since July 19.  I'm sad.... :(
I miss her, too, and agree with everything said here about here. Anne, too!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on September 12, 2012, 09:36:18 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on September 12, 2012, 08:22:08 AM
That said, it is now September 12 and the lovely and talented Sara is still unaccounted for since July 19.  I'm sad.... :(

8)

The thing that makes it more worrisome is that she didn't follow that hallowed GMG tradition of deleting one's account. In that case, we will at least know that the member is alive and kicking while simply being sore about (something in) life.

Maybe she listened to too much Pettersson.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 12, 2012, 12:03:49 PM
Quote from: Opus106 on September 12, 2012, 09:36:18 AMthat hallowed GMG tradition of deleting one's account.

I didn't follow in this trend thank goodness. I think it's pointless to delete your account and create another one. No offense to Dave or Karl who do this thing quite often it seems. I prefer to just take a break and leave my account alone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Corey on September 30, 2012, 05:14:34 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on September 12, 2012, 08:22:08 AM
Nor is it that far different. :)

That said, it is now September 12 and the lovely and talented Sara is still unaccounted for since July 19.  I'm sad.... :(

8)

Just came here to post more/less the same thing. Her last.fm account is still active, so she isn't dead — just not posting here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 30, 2012, 07:22:25 AM
I miss Sara too. Somebody has to carry the torch for Pettersson's music around here because it certainly won't be me! :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 01, 2012, 05:42:07 AM
Who is Sara? I suppose her GMG name will ring a bell, but I can't place it right now :-[
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Corey on October 01, 2012, 05:43:36 AM
Lethe AKA Lethevitch
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 05:51:14 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 30, 2012, 07:22:25 AM
I miss Sara too. Somebody has to carry the torch for Pettersson's music around here...


I love 9 through 16 too but I just don't have her proselytizing passion, unique insight and stunning eloquence, traits I'd need to pick up the Pettersson torch. We really do need her back...and not just for Pettersson's sake  ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scarpia on October 01, 2012, 06:11:59 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 05:51:14 AM

I love 9 through 16 too but I just don't have her proselytizing passion, unique insight and stunning eloquence, traits I'd need to pick up the Pettersson torch. We really do need her back...and not just for Pettersson's sake  ;)

Sarge

Maybe your comments on Petterson should be in verse.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 01, 2012, 06:33:21 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 05:51:14 AM

I love 9 through 16 too but I just don't have her proselytizing passion, unique insight and stunning eloquence, traits I'd need to pick up the Pettersson torch. We really do need her back...and not just for Pettersson's sake  ;)

Sarge

This is very true. We just need her back period. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 07:00:26 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 01, 2012, 06:11:59 AM
Maybe your comments on Petterson should be in verse.

There once was a man named Pete
Who composed music while strapped to his seat
The more morbid he got
The more Sara got hot
And would scream, Man, his stuff's frakking neat!

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 01, 2012, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 07:00:26 AM
There once was a man named Pete
Who composed music while strapped to his seat
The more morbid he got
The more Sara got hot
And would scream, Man, his stuff's fraking neat!

8)

And people tell me I need to get out more...::) :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 01, 2012, 08:16:51 AM
And people tell me I need to get out more...::) :D

Hey, when the Muse visits, I go with it.

Actually, I'm hanging around today, twiddling my thumbs, just waiting for Daniel to post the M1 results. Wait...I suppose that does mean I have no life  :D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on October 01, 2012, 09:41:46 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 09:35:30 AM
Hey, when the Muse visits, I go with it.

Actually, I'm hanging around today, twiddling my thumbs, just waiting for Daniel to post the M1 results. Wait...I suppose that does mean I have no life  :D

Sarge
I have the cricket T20 results if you fancy them...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 09:43:20 AM
Quote from: springrite on October 01, 2012, 09:41:46 AM
I have the cricket T20 results if you fancy them...

I'm not that desperate...not yet, anyway  :D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on October 01, 2012, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: springrite on October 01, 2012, 09:41:46 AM
I have the cricket T20 results if you fancy them...

;D

Do you have TV coverage in Beijing, Paul?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on October 01, 2012, 09:48:58 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on October 01, 2012, 09:46:19 AM
;D

Do you have TV coverage in Beijing, Paul?
No, but I do have my IPad to pick up signals from other outlets.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on October 01, 2012, 09:50:36 AM
Quote from: springrite on October 01, 2012, 09:48:58 AM
No, but I do have my IPad to pick up signals from other outlets.

Nice!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 01, 2012, 10:29:15 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 01, 2012, 09:35:30 AM
Hey, when the Muse visits, I go with it.

Actually, I'm hanging around today, twiddling my thumbs, just waiting for Daniel to post the M1 results. Wait...I suppose that does mean I have no life  :D

Sarge

:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 01, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
Guys - I miss Sara's posts as do all of us, and I hope she is doing well (don't know?); if so, she is probably checking in and reading these posts as a guest - if so, I can only hope her the best and wish that she will return to the fold, when ready - Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 01, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: Corey on October 01, 2012, 05:43:36 AM
Lethe AKA Lethevitch

Thanks Corey :-*.  I do recall Lethe. And if she's not posting anymore she ought to. And not just for Pettersson's sake - although GAP still needs all the advocacy he can get  ;).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 01, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
I miss Andre (or did he go by Sid on here?). He was from Australia and he always made interesting posts (unlike mine). We fought every now and again, but I got to know him better than anyone on this board. He was a friend as we talked about our personal problems. Sometimes it's nice to get to know people and get away from the music. We all love classical or we wouldn't be here, but getting to know somebody beyond the music strengthens the friendship we have with other members.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on October 02, 2012, 06:40:51 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 01, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
I miss Andre (or did he go by Sid on here?). He was from Australia and he always made interesting posts (unlike mine). We fought every now and again, but I got to know him better than anyone on this board. He was a friend as we talked about our personal problems. Sometimes it's nice to get to know people and get away from the music. We all love classical or we wouldn't be here, but getting to know somebody beyond the music strengthens the friendship we have with other members.
Isn't that eyeresist aka criticalI? Y'all are like peas in a pod, now that you mention it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on October 02, 2012, 06:53:39 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on October 02, 2012, 06:40:51 AM
Isn't that eyeresist aka criticalI? Y'all are like peas in a pod, now that you mention it.

Nope. I think Sid said many months, probably a year, ago that he was taking a long break or something like that. He was a relatively new listener of CM and his posts on the listening thread were almost always filled with descriptions of his first explorations of various works.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on October 02, 2012, 07:12:30 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on October 02, 2012, 06:53:39 AM
Nope. I think Sid said many months, probably a year, ago that he was taking a long break or something like that. He was a relatively new listener of CM and his posts on the listening thread were almost always filled with descriptions of his first explorations of various works.
Oh, yeah, that's right ... I remember now. He was gracious and open-minded and interested in learning and sharing his joy of discovery.  I did a quick search and turned up this typical example: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,429.msg521910.html#msg521910

Speaking of missing members, it would be nice to see him back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 02, 2012, 07:53:50 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on October 02, 2012, 06:40:51 AM
Isn't that eyeresist aka criticalI? Y'all are like peas in a pod, now that you mention it.

No, someone else altogether. I enjoyed his posts. As I recall, he used to host some listening parties and report back on reactions of the group to different music, which I thought was interesting. So it goes... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Corey on October 02, 2012, 08:24:51 AM
There've been quite a few posters of worth who posted like crazy in a short amount of time and disappeared — I can only hope they found something better to do that takes all their time. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 02, 2012, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on October 02, 2012, 07:12:30 AM
Oh, yeah, that's right ... I remember now. He was gracious and open-minded and interested in learning and sharing his joy of discovery.  I did a quick search and turned up this typical example: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,429.msg521910.html#msg521910

Speaking of missing members, it would be nice to see him back!

Yes, it would be be great to see him around here again. By the way, me and Critical1 (eyeresist) peas in a pod? We do generally seem to along with each other.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 02, 2012, 03:50:03 PM
(http://gregscottmoeller.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/img_24271.jpg?w=400&h=650)


Monkey Greg
2011-2012


He will be missed.




(I'm not really gone, please don't be sad)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 02, 2012, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 02, 2012, 03:50:03 PM
(http://gregscottmoeller.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/img_24271.jpg?w=400&h=650)


Monkey Greg
2011-2012


He will be missed.


(I'm not really gone, please don't be sad)

:'(

This is a sad day on GMG. RIP Monkey Greg.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on October 02, 2012, 09:22:02 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 02, 2012, 03:50:03 PM
Monkey Greg
2011-2012


He will be missed.


(I'm not really gone, please don't be sad)

Don't you dare walk out of our lives! >:( 0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 03, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 02, 2012, 03:50:03 PM
(http://gregscottmoeller.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/img_24271.jpg?w=400&h=650)


Monkey Greg
2011-2012


Metropolis Greg will always be Monkey Greg to me.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 03, 2012, 04:06:17 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 03, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
Metropolis Greg will always be Monkey Greg to me.

Sarge

Good names, I'll take 'em both.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 03, 2012, 05:58:18 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 03, 2012, 04:06:17 AM
Good names, I'll take 'em both.

Call him Tom, Dick, or Harry;
Call him Monkey, call him Metro;
Call him Sally, call him Larry;
Call him Lee, call him Jethro;
Call him saint, or call him sinner:
Just don't call him late for dinner.




(as you can see,  Sarge is not the only one who can write lousy poetry around here.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 03, 2012, 06:05:29 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 03, 2012, 05:58:18 AM
Call him Tom, Dick, or Harry;
Call him Monkey, call him Metro;
Call him Sally, call him Larry;
Call him Lee, call him Jethro;
Call him saint, or call him sinner:
Just don't call him late for dinner.




(as you can see,  Sarge is not the only one who can write lousy poetry around here.)

Haha! Brilliant! Now let's put that to some music
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on October 03, 2012, 06:08:12 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 03, 2012, 05:58:18 AM
Call him Tom, Dick, or Harry;
Call him Monkey, call him Metro;
Call him Sally, call him Larry;
Call him Lee, call him Jethro;
Call him saint, or call him sinner:
Just don't call him late for dinner.

(as you can see,  Sarge is not the only one who can write lousy poetry around here.)


***groan***   :(

:P


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 03, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
And Maciek? What happened to Mack The Knife?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on October 04, 2012, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: André on October 03, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
And Maciek? What happened to Mack The Knife?
Didn't he become a moderator? Perhaps the same thing happened to him that happened to you when you were a mod. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on October 04, 2012, 08:55:47 AM
I plan to go missing for a while so I can be talked about here. I am getting jealous of all the love...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on October 04, 2012, 08:58:05 AM
Quote from: springrite on October 04, 2012, 08:55:47 AM
I plan to go missing for a while so I can be talked about here. I am getting jealous of all the love...

It might take a while, though, for people to notice. Delete your account instead! ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 04, 2012, 09:22:10 AM
Quote from: springrite on October 04, 2012, 08:55:47 AM
I plan to go missing for a while so I can be talked about here. I am getting jealous of all the love...

Paul, we love you, even without the cute Kimi pics!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on October 04, 2012, 08:53:38 AM
Didn't he become a moderator? Perhaps the same thing happened to him that happened to you when you were a mod. ;)

Maybe ::). Being a mod is not something I enjoyed. A chore and a pain the butt, but also quite stressful at times :P.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 04, 2012, 09:41:54 AM
Glad to see you back, André!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on October 04, 2012, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: André on October 04, 2012, 09:40:26 AM
Maybe ::). Being a mod is not something I enjoyed. A chore and a pain the butt, but also quite stressful at times :P.
Being a Mod was hard enough.  Just imagine what it was like being a Rocker!

(http://www.johnsmedley.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Mods-vs-Rockers.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 04, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
With The Big Hair!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 04, 2012, 10:31:17 AM
Quote from: André on October 03, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
And Maciek? What happened to Mack The Knife?

Maciek is in grad school, and his family has grown exponentially in the last 3 years. As a result of his work burden and familial obligations, his opportunities to come to the forum have diminished to the point of invisibility. :-\

Being a mod is actually great fun. One gets to interact with some of the most... interesting people.   :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 04, 2012, 11:30:40 AM
Thanks, Karl ;). The rocker seems to have more fun  :D.

I knew Mac's family had grown recently, and I can only imagine the fun he must have ;D.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 02, 2012, 11:29:45 AM
I miss Bunny.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on November 02, 2012, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 02, 2012, 11:29:45 AM
I miss Bunny.

Bunny is a woman that comes and goes, the last time we emailed was years ago, but she will turn up eventually, not to worry, she travels a lot.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 03, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 02, 2012, 11:29:45 AM
I miss Bunny.
Yeah. It was nice to have a female know-it-all around.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on November 03, 2012, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on November 03, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
Yeah. It was nice to have a female know-it-all around.
You sound like a man who misses his ex-wife. A nice statement in support of marriage, I'd say!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 03, 2012, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: springrite on November 03, 2012, 02:33:18 PM
You sound like a man who misses his ex-wife. A nice statement in support of marriage, I'd say!
Ha!

It's just that male know-it-alls are a dime a dozen...with a perpetual 2-for-1 special on the internet! There might be as many female know-it-alls, but if so, they're much better at keeping it hidden.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 03, 2012, 05:13:00 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on November 03, 2012, 03:56:57 PM
Ha!

It's just that male know-it-alls are a dime a dozen...with a perpetual 2-for-1 special on the internet! There might be as many female know-it-alls, but if so, they're much better at keeping it hidden.  ;)

Funny, but in my life experience, the opposite holds true.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 03, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 03, 2012, 05:13:00 PM
Funny, but in my life experience, the opposite holds true.

Yeah, but that's face to face, where they can do serious damage. Aggression is minimized by distance.  >:D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scarpia on November 06, 2012, 06:26:06 AM
Still no Lethe.   :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidRoss on November 06, 2012, 07:16:13 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on November 06, 2012, 06:26:06 AM
Still no Lethe.   :(
Hugs & kisses for her and best wishes for a fulfilling life away from GMG. There are many good reasons to take a break from the forum and I pray it's by her choice and not some forced necessity. Regardless of the reason, it may do her heart good if she ever returns and sees on this thread how much she is respected, loved, and missed.  :-*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian on November 06, 2012, 01:10:21 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on November 06, 2012, 07:16:13 AM
Hugs & kisses for her and best wishes for a fulfilling life away from GMG. There are many good reasons to take a break from the forum and I pray it's by her choice and not some forced necessity. Regardless of the reason, it may do her heart good if she ever returns and sees on this thread how much she is respected, loved, and missed.  :-*

Yes. In case she passes by this way sometime, I'd like my agreement to be registered.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Corey on November 07, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
I have it on good authority that Lethe is fine, and seems to be doing better than ever. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scarpia on November 07, 2012, 08:16:38 AM
Quote from: Corey on November 07, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
I have it on good authority that Lethe is fine, and seems to be doing better than ever. :)

We should then rejoice at missing members, as souls who disappear from purgatory, admitted to Paradiso.   

I think I will try to summon the will power to go missing.  Managed for a year or so, then relapsed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Corey on November 07, 2012, 05:34:13 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on November 07, 2012, 08:16:38 AM
We should then rejoice at missing members, as souls who disappear from purgatory, admitted to Paradiso.   

I think I will try to summon the will power to go missing.  Managed for a year or so, then relapsed.


My level of activity here seems to have a correlation with my job situation at any given time. If I don't have much to do, I usually listen to more classical music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 09, 2012, 06:33:30 AM
Is Andre' now "Lilas Pastia" ?!

I wanted to send him a message, but that new name does not work!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on November 09, 2012, 06:37:06 AM
Quote from: Cato on November 09, 2012, 06:33:30 AM
Is Andre' now "Lilas Pastia" ?!

Was, unfortunately. I think the name change was the last thing he did before deleting his account. The cause was a fracture in the HIP. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scarpia on November 09, 2012, 06:41:18 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on November 09, 2012, 06:37:06 AM
Was, unfortunately. I think the name change was the last thing he did before deleting his account. The cause was a fracture in the HIP. :(

Your "name" can be different from your login ID and I think that if you delete your account your name defaults to the login ID.  (A lot of people changed their name when an attack on the site was causing people to get logged out of the site some time ago).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 09, 2012, 06:47:40 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on November 09, 2012, 06:37:06 AM
Was, unfortunately. I think the name change was the last thing he did before deleting his account. The cause was a fracture in the HIP. :(

Quote from: Cato on November 09, 2012, 06:33:30 AM
Is Andre' now "Lilas Pastia" ?!

I wanted to send him a message, but that new name does not work!

Quote from: Scarpia on November 09, 2012, 06:41:18 AM
Your "name" can be different from your login ID and I think that if you delete your account your name defaults to the login ID.  (A lot of people changed their name when an attack on the site was causing people to get logged out of the site some time ago).


Yes, Scarpia is correct. Lilas Pastia is the name André used when he joined. André was a pseudonym that disappeared when he scarpered off.... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on November 09, 2012, 06:48:22 AM
Quote...and I think that if you delete your account your name defaults to the login ID.

But sites in general don't allow spaces within the login IDs.


EDIT: Okay, apparently this one does. ;D

Still, that was the last he did, but inadvertently. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 09, 2012, 06:59:27 AM
Oh my!  I do not follow that topic (HIP) and have not been able to visit much in general.

I do have Andre's address so I will send him an actual letter on paper!   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on November 09, 2012, 07:00:49 AM
Quote from: Cato on November 09, 2012, 06:59:27 AM
I do have Andre's address so I will send him an actual letter on paper!   8)

Send a what on the what, now?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on November 09, 2012, 07:07:06 AM
Maybe send a telegram. On a TV program here, a TV actor told the story. On his anniversary, he was away shooting a TV series. So he went to the post office to ask if they can still send telegrams. They said they do have that service, although it hasn't been used in ages. So he decided to send his wife a telegram. It arrived a week later, just moments before he arrived back home.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 09, 2012, 07:49:09 AM
Quote from: springrite on November 09, 2012, 07:07:06 AM
Maybe send a telegram. On a TV program here, a TV actor told the story. On his anniversary, he was away shooting a TV series. So he went to the post office to ask if they can still send telegrams. They said they do have that service, although it hasn't been used in ages. So he decided to send his wife a telegram. It arrived a week later, just moments before he arrived back home.
I received a telegram last December. It arrived in a FedEx envelope.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on November 14, 2012, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: Cato on November 09, 2012, 06:59:27 AM
Oh my!  I do not follow that topic (HIP) and have not been able to visit much in general.

Although I suspect you have some pretty strong ideas about it. I mean I have seen some of your comments here and there.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 19, 2012, 03:54:37 AM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on November 14, 2012, 03:12:16 PM
Although I suspect you have some pretty strong ideas about it. I mean I have seen some of your comments here and there.  ;D ;)

I have ideas about it, but whether they are "strong"...  ;D

My letter is on its way to Andre': not long ago he sent me some CD's with the music of Goffredo Petrassi, which is most excellent and highly recommended.  Specifically he sent the 8 Concerti for Orchestra, which begin in a Hindemithian style, but then evolve into something very personal and unusual.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 21, 2012, 07:23:27 AM
I see our friend Scots John is among the currently inactive. More's the pity, Although I can imagine deep December in Scotland would cause any bear to hibernate. Any word from him outside this venue?  :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 21, 2012, 07:34:22 AM
Cato may have heard from him later than his recentest participation here . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 21, 2012, 07:50:16 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 21, 2012, 07:34:22 AM
Cato may have heard from him later than his recentest participation here . . . .

My hope, indeed. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on December 30, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Todd's been away for three weeks now... hopefully just a long Christmas break.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 20, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
Anyone heard from Drasko? Last active in mid-December.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 20, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 20, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
Anyone heard from Drasko? Last active in mid-December.

Sarge

Oh my!  Another MIA!

Well, let us hope for a positive explanation, when s/he returns!

Maybe Mozart-Denier Rob Newman   ??? ??? ???   will make a comeback!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 21, 2013, 02:10:53 AM
Quote from: Cato on February 20, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
Maybe Mozart-Denier Rob Newman   ??? ??? ???   will make a comeback!

Yes, only this time it'll be Karl Henning, a fraud? making the case for the music being actually written by Luke Ottevanger.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 21, 2013, 02:51:27 AM
No comment at this time....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on March 22, 2013, 09:06:06 AM
Well, Conor has vanished. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 03, 2013, 03:33:38 AM
Concerning former member Andre' who lives in Canada (Montreal), also known as Lilas Pastia:

Quote from: Opus106 on November 09, 2012, 06:37:06 AM
Was, unfortunately. I think the name change was the last thing he did before deleting his account. The cause was a fracture in the HIP. :(

I have mailed him a few notes with homemade CD's of rare items to both his home and business addresses, in an attempt to lure him out of his silence.

No response after a month!  I tend to be persistent about things like this, so I will probably try one more time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on May 03, 2013, 04:50:34 AM
Lethevich. Still feel quite bad and embarrassed about some stupid PMs I sent her.

Her messages were always so positive, uplifting and funny.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on May 03, 2013, 04:55:41 AM
If I go missing, no one will notice. Until... until someone thinks: Hey! Is Kimi in grade school now?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 03, 2013, 05:04:05 AM
(* chortle *)

How are you doing, Paul?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 03, 2013, 05:14:41 AM
Paul?

: )
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 03, 2013, 07:35:10 AM
Quote from: Henk on May 03, 2013, 04:50:34 AM
Lethevich. Still feel quite bad and embarrassed about some stupid PMs I sent her.

Her messages were always so positive, uplifting and funny.

Well, good for you for writing that!

I receive e-mails here at school from meshuga parents, who should apologize for their screeds, but never do of course.

Like their children, they are always right and so never need to make amends!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ibanezmonster on May 03, 2013, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: Cato on May 03, 2013, 07:35:10 AM
I receive e-mails here at school from meshuga parents,
This is a word that needs to be used more frequently.
8)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 03, 2013, 09:44:27 AM
Four young men in direst need of a laxative, eh?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2013, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: springrite on May 03, 2013, 04:55:41 AM
If I go missing, no one will notice. Until... until someone thinks: Hey! Is Kimi in grade school now?
>:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ibanezmonster on May 03, 2013, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 03, 2013, 09:44:27 AM
Four young men in direst need of a laxative, eh?
That would explain so much.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Beorn on May 03, 2013, 12:51:34 PM
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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on May 03, 2013, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg on May 03, 2013, 09:41:07 AM
This is a word that needs to be used more frequently.
8)


usage note: the adjectival form of the word is more properly meshugeneh; as a noun it should be mishegoss.

Most people think of it as being a Yiddish word, but it's actually one of many Hebrew words Yiddish took over whole and intact.  Tochis is another, although the meaning has changed:  it's the Ashkenazic pronounciation of the Hebrew word being "under" (and often transliterated according to its Sefardic pronounciation, tachat, in that context); the popular usage testifies to Jewish preference for euphemisms.

And I too miss Lethevich, who is one of those people who never inflicts mishegoss on other people.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ibanezmonster on May 03, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 03, 2013, 12:51:34 PM
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Makeup wearing clowns!  >:D

All black metal bands should watch Detroit Metal City...


Quote from: Greg on May 03, 2013, 10:06:54 AM
That would explain so much.  :D
Well, the constant quest to find the brown note, for one.


Interestingly, because of Karl's "young men" remark, I looked up their ages, and they are younger than I thought- mid 40s. Surprising because I know they started the band the year I was born (1987), but didn't know they were so young (Thordendal was 17, for example).

It was good to see these guys a few months ago...





Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on May 03, 2013, 02:56:27 PM
usage note: the adjectival form of the word is more properly meshugeneh;
Funny... I think my brother mispronounced it like this- and it happens to be the real word. His innate Jewishness is coming out...  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on May 04, 2013, 05:29:22 AM
My criteria for knowing a Yiddish word:

Did Mel Brooks say it?
- If yes, I know it.
- If no...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on May 04, 2013, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: Cato on May 03, 2013, 07:35:10 AMmeshuga parents

I hadn't seen this word in English before, but it's more or less common in Dutch, spelled 'mesjogge' (pronounced as 'muhshoghuh'). A couple of hundreds of these loanwords entered Dutch via de Jewish community of Amsterdam, especially, and many of them are so common that no-one recognizes their Yiddish or Hebrew origin.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on May 04, 2013, 01:24:20 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 04, 2013, 05:29:22 AM
My criteria for knowing a Yiddish word:

Did Mel Brooks say it?
- If yes, I know it.
- If no...

An oldie (dating from when I was a kid), but a goodie is Leo Rosten's Joys of Yiddish, in which you'll find  American Yiddish as it was spoken in the mid 20th century, the era when it had the most influence on American entertainment.   Plus loads of jokes illustrating the American Jewish culture in the same era.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 04, 2013, 07:34:37 PM
I'll say it again, I miss my buddy Sid. He was such a knowledgeable member and really absorbed the music he listened to. Not only this but he was always pleasant to talk with and didn't judge or belittle me like some members here tend to do.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 17, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 04, 2013, 07:34:37 PM
I'll say it again, I miss my buddy Sid. He was such a knowledgeable member and really absorbed the music he listened to. Not only this but he was always pleasant to talk with and didn't judge or belittle me like some members here tend to do.
Well I wonder where you are? From posting each hour to being silent for a week without hints of a coming vacation makes me slightly curious.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 17, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
Quote from: The new erato on May 17, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
Well I wonswe where you are? From posting each hour to being silent for a week without hints of a coming vacation makes me slightly curious.
John's moved to Talk Classical, and doesn't plan returning here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: North Star on May 17, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
John's moved to Talk Classical, and doesn't plan returning here.

You mean the place he said he won't go back to, after joining GMG?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 17, 2013, 02:05:22 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 01:49:09 AM
You mean the place he said he won't go back to, after joining GMG?
Yes....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 17, 2013, 02:07:35 AM
Quote from: North Star on May 17, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
John's moved to Talk Classical, and doesn't plan returning here.
Anybody know why? No indication in his posts.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 17, 2013, 02:20:12 AM
Quote from: The new erato on May 17, 2013, 02:07:35 AM
Anybody know why? No indication in his posts.....

He felt that there are more folks with similar tastes, and his old friend Sid. And other stuff, too...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 17, 2013, 02:30:22 AM
Quote from: North Star on May 17, 2013, 02:20:12 AM
He felt that there are more folks with similar tastes,
Yes, why learn something new
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 02:53:02 AM
August 6th, 2013: "I felt that there were too many members with similar tastes; not many willing the open their eyes, ears and whatnot to listen to under-appreciated composers of the 20th century."

John, if you're reading this: Hi! ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 17, 2013, 02:54:04 AM
Oh, was Sid a Mozart-hater, too? O0
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 02:59:51 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 17, 2013, 02:54:04 AM
Oh, was Sid a Mozart-hater, too? O0

Um, I don't think so. One of the few who used the Listening Thread to the fullest, IIRC.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 17, 2013, 03:09:06 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 02:53:02 AM
August 6th, 2013: "I felt that there were too many members with similar tastes; not many willing the open their eyes, ears and whatnot to listen to under-appreciated composers of the 20th century."

So you know, what he is going to write in the future?? :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 17, 2013, 03:10:38 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 02:53:02 AM
August 6th, 2013: "I felt that there were too many members with similar tastes; not many willing the open their eyes, ears and whatnot to listen to under-appreciated composers of the 20th century."

John, if you're reading this: Hi! ;)

Let's see if he reads this post before writing :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 03:28:10 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on May 17, 2013, 03:09:06 AM
So you know, what he is going to write in the future?? :o ::) ;D

Indeed. I was paraphrasing what he is going to say during his comeback speech. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 17, 2013, 04:29:17 AM
MI must be Neo Romanza at Talk Classical. Someone with that username joined this month and already has posted 164 times! That sounds like our boy  :D ...as does this list of favorite symphonies (http://www.talkclassical.com/3873-ten-favorite-symphonies-one-12.html):

1. Walton
2. Elgar
3. W. Schuman (although Honegger's "Liturgique," Roussel, or Casella's Sinfonia could have easily went here)
4. Ives (although Schmidt's could have went here)
5. RVW
6. Milhaud (although Sibelius could have easily went here)
7. Pettersson
8. Shostakovich
9. Bruckner
10. Villa-Lobos

Well, good luck to him there...and good luck to his forum mates  :D


Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 17, 2013, 04:30:30 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 17, 2013, 04:29:17 AM
MI must be Neo Romanza at Talk Classical. Someone with that username joined this month and already has posted 164 times! That sounds like our boy  :D ...as does this list of favorite symphonies (http://www.talkclassical.com/3873-ten-favorite-symphonies-one-12.html):

1. Walton
2. Elgar
3. W. Schuman (although Honegger's "Liturgique," Roussel, or Casella's Sinfonia could have easily went here)
4. Ives (although Schmidt's could have went here)
5. RVW
6. Milhaud (although Sibelius could have easily went here)
7. Pettersson
8. Shostakovich
9. Bruckner
10. Villa-Lobos

Well, good luck to him there...and good luck to his forum mates  :D


Sarge
Yes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on May 17, 2013, 04:39:44 AM
Quote from: Opus106 on May 17, 2013, 02:53:02 AMAugust 6th, 2013:

We will have to wait a bit for his confession then.  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 17, 2013, 04:41:32 AM
Could have went?  And three times?  Oof.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 17, 2013, 05:00:00 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 17, 2013, 04:41:32 AM
Could have went?  And three times?  Oof.

John boldly goes where no man has went before...


Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 17, 2013, 05:17:51 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 17, 2013, 05:00:00 AM
John boldly goes where no man has went before...


Sarge

I should put this under the Grammar Grumble, but I just corrected a translation from Latin by an 8th Grader which has the following monster: "...the Roman army brang back a great victory."   ??? ??? ??? ???


Mirror Image may have become too embarrassed by some of his ad hominem outbursts.

I noticed John of Scotland has last visited GMG on the 14th, but has not written anything since late in April. 

Let's hope things are busy for him in the best sense.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on May 17, 2013, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 17, 2013, 04:29:17 AM
MI must be Neo Romanza at Talk Classical. Someone with that username joined this month and already has posted 164 times! That sounds like our boy  :D ...as does this list of favorite symphonies (http://www.talkclassical.com/3873-ten-favorite-symphonies-one-12.html):

1. Walton
2. Elgar
3. W. Schuman (although Honegger's "Liturgique," Roussel, or Casella's Sinfonia could have easily went here)
4. Ives (although Schmidt's could have went here)
5. RVW
6. Milhaud (although Sibelius could have easily went here)
7. Pettersson
8. Shostakovich
9. Bruckner
10. Villa-Lobos

Well, good luck to him there...and good luck to his forum mates  :D


Sarge

He'll be back when he gets banned again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 18, 2013, 04:31:39 AM
Quote from: Parsifal on May 17, 2013, 12:07:14 PM
He'll be back when he gets banned again.

Yes, Talk Classical has a habit of banning members more often than most people change their underwear.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 18, 2013, 04:39:17 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 18, 2013, 04:31:39 AM
Yes, Talk Classical has a habit of banning members more often than most people change their underwear.  ;D

Speaking of missing members, been a while since I've seen you post, Ray. Welcome back.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
I'm back. Send in the clowns. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Opus106 on June 18, 2013, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
I'm back. Send in the clowns. :P

You will do just fine; thanks. >:D

Welcome back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 18, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
I'm back. Send in the clowns. :P

Were you kicked out elsewhere ....or did you actually miss us? 8)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: CaughtintheGaze on June 18, 2013, 09:55:25 PM
Quote from: Que on June 18, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
Were you kicked out elsewhere ....or did you actually miss us? 8)

He claims he wasn't banned.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Octave on June 18, 2013, 10:32:26 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
I'm back. Send in the clowns. :P

I'm glad you are back, more or less.  It's problematic, because your old posts are still costing me lots of money!   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on June 18, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
I'm back. Send in the clowns. :P
pffft
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 19, 2013, 12:14:43 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
I'm back. Send in the clowns. :P

Are you MN Dave ?  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on June 19, 2013, 04:06:41 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
I'm back. Send in the clowns. :P

Welcome back, John!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 19, 2013, 04:44:53 AM
The clowns already showed up - Sean and the voices in his head.

Quote from: Papy Oli on June 19, 2013, 12:14:43 AM
Are you MN Dave ?  :P
;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 19, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
Thanks for all the welcomes everyone. I'm not fully back as I'm not going to be posting as much as I used to here but I will peek in from time to time. All the best to all of you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on June 19, 2013, 05:54:13 AM
Glad to see you here again, John, welcome back! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on June 19, 2013, 08:48:26 AM
Welcome back.

Octave was making a valiant attempt at filling in for you on the purchases thread, but it just wasn't the same.  Far fewer obscure modern composers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: madaboutmahler on June 19, 2013, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 19, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
Thanks for all the welcomes everyone. I'm not fully back as I'm not going to be posting as much as I used to here but I will peak in from time to time. All the best to all of you.

Glad you are back on GMG, John! And just the same time that I am as well, after having finally finished those exams!! Plenty of freedom now with plenty of excitement musical events coming up over the summer! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on June 19, 2013, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 19, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
... I'm not fully back as I'm not going to be posting as much as I used to here but I will peak in from time to time.

Translation for newbies: "The next few days I'll be posting here as often as I never did".  :laugh: ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Beorn on June 27, 2013, 11:35:53 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on June 19, 2013, 12:14:43 AM
Are you MN Dave ?  :P

Lurker Dave to you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 21, 2013, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 19, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
Thanks for all the welcomes everyone. I'm not fully back as I'm not going to be posting as much as I used to here but I will peek in from time to time. All the best to all of you.

Yes, nice to see you posting again.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 21, 2013, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 21, 2013, 12:57:24 PM
Yes, nice to see you posting again.  :)

Thanks, Jeffrey.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on July 23, 2013, 05:59:38 AM
What's become of Octave, I wonder. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 23, 2013, 06:02:17 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on July 23, 2013, 05:59:38 AM
What's become of Octave, I wonder.

He told me that he's taking a little break in order to listen to the dump truck full of disks he's gotten in the last 6 months. Once that's done and properly digested, I believe he will return.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on July 23, 2013, 06:13:28 AM
Let's make a list of missing members from western US. When I drive around western US in October, I will try to round them up and hand them over to The Sarge.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on July 23, 2013, 09:05:59 AM
Quote from: springrite on July 23, 2013, 06:13:28 AM
Let's make a list of missing members from western US. When I drive around western US in October, I will try to round them up and hand them over to The Sarge.
The deserters, you mean?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 23, 2013, 09:25:54 AM
Hah!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 23, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 23, 2013, 09:25:54 AM
Hah!
Reading your GMG posts has made me very hopeful that, if/when we do indeed meet in person, your actual real-life laughter consists of a single massive "Hah!"

Example:
[Karl watches "Rocky and Bullwinkle"]
KARL: HAH! [returns to silence]
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on July 23, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 23, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
Reading your GMG posts has made me very hopeful that, if/when we do indeed meet in person, your actual real-life laughter consists of a single massive "Hah!"

Example:
[Karl watches "Rocky and Bullwinkle"]
KARL: HAH! [returns to silence]

There may be no Hah!, nor silence, but instead, *pounds the table!!!*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 23, 2013, 09:52:44 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on July 23, 2013, 10:01:54 AM
Or perhaps just twu.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on July 23, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: North Star on July 23, 2013, 09:05:59 AM
The deserters, you mean?

AWOL members are rounded up and sent to the stockade?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 23, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: springrite on July 23, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
There may be no Hah!, nor silence, but instead, *pounds the table!!!*
That's the other thing, if I meet Karl over dinner, I'll say something he has to agree with, like "Stravinsky is good," just to see if he pounds the table.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on July 23, 2013, 12:45:53 PM
Quote from: Brian on July 23, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
That's the other thing, if I meet Karl over dinner, I'll say something he has to agree with, like "Stravinsky is good," just to see if he pounds the table.
Hold your plate and glass, though!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on August 14, 2013, 03:46:28 AM
I just noticed: Alexander Bystrow was last active on August 5th, with his last comment on August 2nd.

What say ye?  Will he return?  Or is his work finished here?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 14, 2013, 03:58:31 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 23, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
That's the other thing, if I meet Karl over dinner, I'll say something he has to agree with, like "Stravinsky is good," just to see if he pounds the table.

I may wear cautionary oven mitts . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 14, 2013, 04:07:42 AM
Quote from: Cato on August 14, 2013, 03:46:28 AM
I just noticed: Alexander Bystrow was last active on August 5th, with his last comment on August 2nd.

What say ye?  Will he return?  Or is his work finished here?

I predicted that once his own thread was locked--the only thread on which he posted--he would disappear. So far that seems to be the case. He had an agenda, one that didn't include actually participating in the broader forum. I suppose he could return and start another contentious thread. But I doubt we'll see him post anywhere else.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 14, 2013, 04:20:25 AM
I see some people become yet more and more nervous.

Well, this is improper.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on August 14, 2013, 05:18:03 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 14, 2013, 04:07:42 AM
I predicted that once his own thread was locked--the only thread on which he posted--he would disappear. So far that seems to be the case. He had an agenda, one that didn't include actually participating in the broader forum. I suppose he could return and start another contentious thread. But I doubt we'll see him post anywhere else.

Sarge

On top of it, his initial post was simply a cut-and-paste of what he had already posted on his blog. Maybe we'll hear from him again when he updates his site.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 14, 2013, 05:22:52 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on August 14, 2013, 05:30:44 AM
Quote from: Szykneij on August 14, 2013, 05:18:03 AM
On top of it, his initial post was simply a cut-and-paste of what he had already posted on his blog. Maybe we'll hear from him again when he updates his site.

:o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on August 14, 2013, 05:42:22 AM
This reminds me that LinkedIn a couple of days sent me an e-mail "Do you know Robert Newman, independent consultant and author?"

I resisted clicking on the Connect button.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on August 14, 2013, 08:48:20 AM
Quote from: The new erato on August 14, 2013, 05:42:22 AM
This reminds me that LinkedIn a couple of days sent me an e-mail "Do you know Robert Newman, independent consultant and author?"

I resisted clicking on the Connect button.

Resistance is not futile in this case!    ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 14, 2013, 08:58:14 AM
Resistance in this case was de rigueur!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on August 30, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
Just noticed this regarding David Ross.  Anyone in touch with him off-forum?
Quote
Local Time:             August 30, 2013, 06:31:07 PM
Last Active:            June 22, 2013, 11:16:05 PM
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 30, 2013, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 30, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
Just noticed this regarding David Ross.  Anyone in touch with him off-forum?
As of earlier today he's still posting 3-5 very vocal political opinions on Facebook per day.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 31, 2013, 03:47:24 AM
I wound up posting about "Apollo Dave" in the Shed . . . I was sure there was a Missing Members thread, yet the search function couldn't turn it up.

Weird.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on August 31, 2013, 09:47:59 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 30, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
Just noticed this regarding David Ross.  Anyone in touch with him off-forum?

Probably busy because he just came off the disabled list    :)

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/08/26/david-ross-back-healthy-for-red-sox/76URGMwwehdmSNFHJ29TYM/story.html (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/08/26/david-ross-back-healthy-for-red-sox/76URGMwwehdmSNFHJ29TYM/story.html)

>:D    :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on August 31, 2013, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 31, 2013, 03:47:24 AM
I wound up posting about "Apollo Dave" in the Shed . . . I was sure there was a Missing Members thread, yet the search function couldn't turn it up.

Weird.

Perhaps because you did what I did on my initial foray, and looked for it in the apparently logical place:The Diner?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 01, 2013, 06:30:19 AM
Well, I did a forum-wide search for missing members in the topic, but came up empty.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 27, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
dyn left? I liked dyn!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on September 27, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: Brian on September 27, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
dyn left? I liked dyn!

I suspect he isn't too far off. 3 random lower case letters are 3 random lower case letters, after all....   :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on September 27, 2013, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on September 27, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
I suspect he isn't too far off. 3 random lower case letters are 3 random lower case letters, after all....   :)

8)

Well, at least they are tree pronounceable lower case letters instead of the usual random ones.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on September 28, 2013, 05:04:59 PM
After some Copland posts, Benji comes to mind.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on September 28, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
Where's pencils been? He and I share very similar tastes and I miss his posts. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 28, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 28, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
Where's pencils been? He and I share very similar tastes and I miss his posts. :(

Maybe....just maybe...he got tired of your polls. Okay, okay, just kidding. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on September 28, 2013, 08:07:59 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 28, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Maybe....just maybe...he got tired of your polls. Okay, okay, just kidding. :D

:P

Oh dear, John, what have I done, what have I done........

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on September 28, 2013, 08:30:21 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 28, 2013, 08:07:59 PM
:P

Oh dear, John, what have I done, what have I done........

just as long as we don't become good-music-polls.com
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on September 29, 2013, 03:27:30 AM
Has anyone heard from Stuart (Coopmv) lately?  Haven't seen him on GMG it seems for quite some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on September 29, 2013, 03:23:19 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 29, 2013, 03:27:30 AM
Has anyone heard from Stuart (Coopmv) lately?  Haven't seen him on GMG it seems for quite some time.

He has not posted since long. The same can be said about Clever Hans, but fortunately both have been "active" in this month (september).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on October 01, 2013, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: Brian on September 27, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
dyn left? I liked dyn!

He's active on the Art-Music Forum now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 02, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Where did Annie go?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 02, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Where did Annie go?

Is it me or have Annie's posts gone too?

I thought if you deleted your account, your posts did stay?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 02, 2013, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 02, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Where did Annie go?

Mea Culpa, I seem to have mortally offended her here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21529.msg746131.html#msg746131

Quote from: Annie on October 02, 2013, 09:29:39 AMYou are one of the main characters here not letting music lovers discuss anything valuable, attacking with your narrow information and view, which I'm sure not your intention

(the original post seems to have been deleted)

Then there's this (like and dislike thread)

QuoteI disagree. I don't think this qualifies as a classical forum...There are some very good information but they are buried in the past and hard to find. Recent ones are mostly baseless beliefs or prejudices, whose record beats who or I have been looking to the stars every night and now I consider myself a space engineer sort of people's "vast" knowledge of not only classical but all kind of music. It's easy to see why trained people of music left this forum in time. The moderators lack of classical music knowledge must have played the biggest role in this state of forum...

Another deleted post enshrined in someone's quotation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 02, 2013, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
Is it me or have Annie's posts gone too?

I thought if you deleted your account, your posts did stay?

Well, not if you delete your posts prior to leaving.  :blank:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 02, 2013, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 02, 2013, 03:37:01 PM
Mea Culpa, I seem to have mortally offended her here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21529.msg746131.html#msg746131



Seems more to me like "she" was the one doing the offending, Scarpia.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 02, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Perhaps she realized the pointlessness of having all the other members on her ignore list.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 02, 2013, 03:44:28 PM
It was just this morning that she revealed she was 84 years old.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 03:50:36 PM
Hands up, come on hands up...how many of us actually thought Annie was a "She"?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2013, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 03:50:36 PM
Hands up, come on hands up...how many of us actually thought Annie was a "She"?

You mean Bob? I wasn't sure what he/she was...and I'm not sure he/she knew either  :D The mind gets foggy at his/her age  :D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2013, 03:55:10 PM
You mean Bob? I wasn't sure what he/she was...and I'm not sure he/she knew either  :D The mind gets foggy at his/her age  :D

Sarge

I had heard the name Bob associated with Annie.  I can never understand why people gender change by name on a music forum.  Can't understand why Annie jumped ship, she gave and received as good as she got!

I thought at one stage M Forever had sneaked back on.

'Ere you were a Sergeant weren't you Sarge, that bits real?  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2013, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 04:02:54 PM
'Ere you were a Sergeant weren't you Sarge, that bits real?  :D

Yes, it is. Highest rank attained, Sergeant First Class (Platoon Sgt), E-7, U.S. Army. Served 22 years. 1969-1991.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 04:22:40 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2013, 04:16:44 PM
Yes, it is. Highest rank attained, Sergeant First Class (Platoon Sgt), E-7, U.S. Army. Served 22 years. 1969-1991.

Sarge

Excellent Sarge, I always new that for real.
Respects
Tony
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 02, 2013, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 02, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Where did Annie go?

Don't worry, the sun will come up - tomorrow!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 02, 2013, 04:36:48 PM
Here is the proof! It struck me this morning who "Annie" really was!

(http://schlockfootage.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/twinpeaks001.jpg)

Pleasant dreams, everyone!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 02, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: Cato on October 02, 2013, 04:36:48 PM
Here is the proof! It struck me this morning who "Annie" really was!

(http://schlockfootage.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/twinpeaks001.jpg)

Pleasant dreams, everyone!   0:)

Oh no!  I just recently watch Twin Peaks for the first time, about a year ago.   I found the first season especially great, and creepy!  ;D  Bob!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 02, 2013, 04:43:45 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 02, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
Oh no!  I just recently watch Twin Peaks for the first time, about a year ago.   I found the first season especially great, and creepy!  ;D  Bob!

Place any quote from "Annie" under this picture and you will see how perfectly it fits!   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on October 02, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
Yes, Bruce noticed that this individual was steadfastly deleting posts over a day. And yes, we agree, it was not a woman. That latter being so, why would the advertised age be correct? Seemingly the poster was heaved out of another forum and joined here. We found it quite amusing that we were criticised for lack of musical grip, but most of his posts consisted of CD covers or unpleasant non-musical remarks.

So, I don't think anyone need blame themselves here, this ex-member showed every sign of not being a good fit for this or any other forum; and by deleting the account saved us wasting a deal of time deleting snide posts.

However.....it may be timely to point out that I have been having corr suggesting there is something of an exclusive boy's club feel here, where new people can feel excluded from involvement, so remember that we have a duty to try and integrate and welcome folk and not just by saying 'hi' on the intros thread. I am not addressing specifically anyone who is actively posting on this topic; just raising awareness generally of Rob's aim to have this be a congenial place for expanding ones taste and knowledge and having fun.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 02, 2013, 07:12:59 PM
Quote from: North Star on October 02, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Perhaps she realized the pointlessness of having all the other members on her ignore list.

This or her doctor finally put her on some medication that actually works. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 02, 2013, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 02, 2013, 07:12:59 PM
This or her doctor finally put her on some medication that actually works. :P
He, he. Looking for a table to pound.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: milk on October 02, 2013, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on October 02, 2013, 03:50:36 PM
Hands up, come on hands up...how many of us actually thought Annie was a "She"?
I was suspicious. But it's interesting. He burst on to the scene and insulted many of the members here while also extensively and passionately arguing for his point of view. How strange. Why be so rude? What does one get out of it? He obviously knows music. And the use of a feminine persona with which to throw around the diminutive "dear"...I guess that gave him a feeling of stature. Anyway, I'm relieved. But I'm really amazed at how patient people were when being the target of Annie's rudeness. As Captain Sensible said, "I'm glad it's all over."   
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on October 02, 2013, 11:50:59 PM
Quote from: knight66 on October 02, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
However.....it may be timely to point out that I have been having corr suggesting there is something of an exclusive boy's club feel here, where new people can feel excluded from involvement, so remember that we have a duty to try and integrate and welcome folk and not just by saying 'hi' on the intros thread. I am not addressing specifically anyone who is actively posting on this topic; just raising awareness generally of Rob's aim to have this be a congenial place for expanding ones taste and knowledge and having fun.

Knight
I fully support this. It was particularly apparent in a couple of relatively recent threads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 03, 2013, 04:13:08 AM
Quote from: North Star on October 02, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Perhaps she realized the pointlessness of having all the other members on her ignore list.

Yes I think that she had nearly all active posters on her ignore list. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on October 03, 2013, 04:34:36 AM
Silly question, but where's Harry? Haven't seen him in ages and I surely missed the news somewhwere.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 03, 2013, 04:40:03 AM
Quote from: Christo on October 03, 2013, 04:34:36 AM
Silly question, but where's Harry? Haven't seen him in ages and I surely missed the news somewhwere.

He got angry and left after an argument with someone, I forget who. He keeps a blog where he posts all his listening, but it's always told me I'm blocked from commenting.

He does still post here once a week or so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 03, 2013, 04:48:21 AM
Why would Harry block you from commenting?  Perhaps he blocks all comment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 03, 2013, 04:51:29 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 03, 2013, 04:48:21 AM
Why would Harry block you from commenting?  Perhaps he blocks all comment.

That's right. You're supposed to "follow" the blog in order to comment, but whenever I tried, the page crashed, and then I found another way to follow it but that didn't unblock me from replying. So I get an email every morning telling me what Harry listened to, but I can't really do anything with it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 03, 2013, 04:56:38 AM
Quote from: Brian on October 03, 2013, 04:51:29 AM
That's right. You're supposed to "follow" the blog in order to comment, but whenever I tried, the page crashed, and then I found another way to follow it but that didn't unblock me from replying. So I get an email every morning telling me what Harry listened to, but I can't really do anything with it.

I have the same experience, Brian.  I hope someday Harry will return full-time to GMG.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2013, 05:18:15 AM
Quote from: The new erato on October 02, 2013, 08:25:34 PM
He, he. Looking for a table to pound.

;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on October 03, 2013, 07:04:39 AM
I am a woman called Clarissa...wait a minute, hang on, hang on, no I'm not... >:(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on October 03, 2013, 08:00:02 AM
Is Dixon part of your name?

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 03, 2013, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: Scots John on October 03, 2013, 07:04:39 AM
I am a woman called Clarissa...wait a minute, hang on, hang on, no I'm not... >:(
Anything in skirt I'll say......
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 03, 2013, 02:32:35 PM
MN Dave is back!!  Again!!   ;D

Yay!  Welcome back, neighbour!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mn dave on October 03, 2013, 02:36:20 PM
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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 03, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: Scots John on October 03, 2013, 07:04:39 AM
I am a woman called Clarissa...wait a minute, hang on, hang on, no I'm not... >:(

Quote from: The new erato on October 03, 2013, 09:21:58 AM
Anything in skirt I'll say......

It isn't a skirt: it's called a kilt!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on October 03, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
Quote from: mn dave on October 03, 2013, 02:36:20 PM
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I have reported this post to a moderator.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 04, 2013, 02:17:27 AM
And high time!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 07, 2013, 03:55:58 PM
Haven't seen the snyprrr for a while. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on October 07, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
I was going to be "missing" for a while and see if anyone noticed. But I came back after five days. How long does it take to be noticed, I wonder...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 07, 2013, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: springrite on October 07, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
I was going to be "missing" for a while and see if anyone noticed. But I came back after five days. How long does it take to be noticed, I wonder...

Until the deficit of posts is statistically significant.  Assuming posting is a random process, it would have something to do with a Poisson distribution.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 07, 2013, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: springrite on October 07, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
I was going to be "missing" for a while and see if anyone noticed. But I came back after five days. How long does it take to be noticed, I wonder...

Depends on how often the individual posts, and if there are known reasons why the member would be offline.   John (Mirror Image) would probably be noticed within one day.  Your absence, on the other hand, would probably be attributed to a lecture trip you forget to mention, and therefore would not be remarked on until someone realized your "trip" was much longer than usual.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2013, 11:54:16 AM
For random events (i.e., when events occur at a known average rate, and are independent of the time since the previous event)  the probability of observing N events is when an average of A events is expected is given by the Poisson distribution:

P(N,A) = (AN e-A)/(N!)

The symbol "!" means factorial and e is the base of the natural logarithm

Snyprrr seems as randome as it comes, so assuming that snyprrr makes 3.85 posts per day (according to his member profile)  the probability that he fails to post on a given day is P(0,3.85) = 0.02, or 2%.

There is a 2% chance that snyprrr neglects to post on any given day, and the chance that he neglects to post for 7 days running is 0.027, or 2 x 10-12

???

Either snyprrr is dead, or snyprrr is not random.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 08, 2013, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 08, 2013, 11:54:16 AM

???

Either snyprrr is dead, or snyprrr is not random.

I certainly hope the former isn't the case, and I'm sure it isn't.  As for the latter, the most reliable, constant, unwavering thing on GMG is snyprr's randomness.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 08, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 08, 2013, 12:02:31 PM
I certainly hope the former isn't the case, and I'm sure it isn't.  As for the latter, the most reliable, constant, unwavering thing on GMG is snyprr's randomness.  ;D

Indeed. Often when I reply to a snyprrr post it will be days, even weeks before he answers. The dude's middle name is random.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on October 08, 2013, 04:24:01 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 08, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
Indeed. Often when I reply to a snyprrr post it will be days, even weeks before he answers. The dude's middle name is random.

Sarge
He waits till you have forgotten what you had posted, what you meant, and the context to reply so you'd be more confused and in no position to defend yourself.
Now that he appears to be missing, he must be setting up a few posters! Just wait!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 08, 2013, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: springrite on October 08, 2013, 04:24:01 PM
He waits till you have forgotten what you had posted, what you meant, and the context to reply so you'd be more confused and in no position to defend yourself.
Now that he appears to be missing, he must be setting up a few posters! Just wait!

Yes, the air has an aroma of an oncoming, impending Snyprrr Tsunami of randomness!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 08, 2013, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 08, 2013, 11:54:16 AMEither snyprrr is dead, or snyprrr is not random.

I've come up with a third possibility.  The snyprrr has a job.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 08, 2013, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 08, 2013, 05:01:48 PM
I've come up with a third possibility.  The snyprrr has a job.

Mmmmmmm.........  nah!    :o


8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 08, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 08, 2013, 05:01:48 PM
I've come up with a third possibility.  The snyprrr has a job.
If I were American, I would now exclaim "Aha; it's him that works at customer telephone support at "put in your favorite"!"
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 09, 2013, 03:44:15 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 08, 2013, 05:17:27 PM
Mmmmmmm.........  nah!    :o


8)

Well . . . he might be a Congressman  0:)   8)   ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 09, 2013, 04:10:16 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 08, 2013, 05:01:48 PM
I've come up with a third possibility.  The snyprrr has a job.

Maybe he got on with an exterminator company?  He mentioned that he was a starving artist, and he does say "Rat Poison is 99% good food".  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 09, 2013, 04:14:16 AM
Or perhaps he's a member of a jury..
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 09, 2013, 04:18:11 AM
Quote from: North Star on October 09, 2013, 04:14:16 AM
Or perhaps he's a member of a jury..


??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o :o :o I pity the defendant!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on October 09, 2013, 04:19:12 AM
It may be he has been huckled by the local cops for smoking too much weed.   $:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mn dave on October 09, 2013, 04:22:23 AM
He got called back to his home planet.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 09, 2013, 04:25:39 AM
Mossad finally captured him; he's being "interrogated" as we speak.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 09, 2013, 06:33:17 AM
Headline in Ha-Aretz

MASS MOSSAD RESIGNATION

Inside source; no one was willing to endure interrogating new detainee after initial interrogators were checked into psychiatric ward
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on October 09, 2013, 06:38:40 AM
I do have a newly checked-in patient with the alias of "snyprrrrinterrogator"
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on October 09, 2013, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: Batty on October 09, 2013, 04:22:23 AM
He got called back to his home planet.

That's a good one.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 11, 2013, 06:31:39 AM
And yet, no snyprrr.  He disappeared just as the shutdown started.  Coincidence?  I think not.  Snyprrr was a covert operative of the US government, and is now on furlough.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 11, 2013, 07:04:06 AM
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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 11, 2013, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 11, 2013, 06:31:39 AM
And yet, no snyprrr.  He disappeared just as the shutdown started.  Coincidence?  I think not.  Snyprrr was a covert operative of the US government, and is now on furlough.
(http://www.wnff.net/Smileys/default/lmao.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on October 11, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
Is it not more likely that he was an advanced bot and like a lot of US Gov sites, he is presently deactivated?

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 11, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
Quote from: knight66 on October 11, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
Is it not more likely that he was an advanced bot and like a lot of US Gov sites, he is presently deactivated?

Mike

Yes, that does give pause for reflection... ???

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 11, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 11, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
Yes, that does give pause for reflection... ???

The former coopmv could easily have been a computer program.  I think the program could be reduced to a very compact form.

subroutine 1:
"Now listening to CD <random integer> of this set for a first listen"
<random ASIN reference:year of composition before 1800>

subroutine 2:
"That CD has been part of my collection since <random date between 1/1/1990 and current date>"

But snyprrr?  No computer program could duplicate the snyprrr.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 14, 2013, 07:42:29 PM
Anyone heard from Navneeth (Opus 106) in the last week.
He was last active on 10/7.
My knowledge of where the actual impact zone was is hazy, but I was under the impression that Chennai was not directly threatened by that enormous Bengal cyclone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 15, 2013, 04:33:07 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 14, 2013, 07:42:29 PM
Anyone heard from Navneeth (Opus 106) in the last week.
He was last active on 10/7.
My knowledge of where the actual impact zone was is hazy, but I was under the impression that Chennai was not directly threatened by that enormous Bengal cyclone.

No, Chennai (Madras) is about halfway down the east coast of India, well south of any but the most peripheral winds and surf. I would speculate a vacation, long overdue, although I don't know really. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 15, 2013, 04:38:33 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 14, 2013, 07:42:29 PM
Anyone heard from Navneeth (Opus 106) in the last week.
He was last active on 10/7.
My knowledge of where the actual impact zone was is hazy, but I was under the impression that Chennai was not directly threatened by that enormous Bengal cyclone.

My dear friend, Navneeth (in fact, my first true classical music friend!), does from time to time take extended breaks from GMG.  I'm sure he will be back in the not so distant future.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 21, 2013, 10:13:25 AM
Ah, Dr snypsss is back (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22049.msg752435.html#msg752435), all is again in harmony.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 21, 2013, 11:01:17 AM
Ah, well, that post broke after mine own . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 21, 2013, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 21, 2013, 10:13:25 AM
Ah, Dr snypsss is back (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22049.msg752435.html#msg752435), all is again in harmony.

Aha!  Dr. Snyprrr.   I see, is Dr. Snypsss thus a mohel by trade?  :blank:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 21, 2013, 11:34:16 AM
You know, the knowledge which illuminates that question of yours, I owe to Leo Rosten's The Joys of Yiddish . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on October 21, 2013, 11:34:45 AM
No further sightings of pencils :'(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 21, 2013, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 21, 2013, 11:32:03 AM
Aha!  Dr. Snyprrr.   I see, is Dr. Snypsss thus a mohel by trade?  :blank:

And you know his slogan; I'm Snips, let me give you a tip....

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 27, 2013, 04:19:03 AM
Quote from: kyjo on October 21, 2013, 11:34:45 AM
No further sightings of pencils :'(

Yes, I miss his input.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on October 27, 2013, 04:30:12 AM
I miss Lethe. She had a lot of interesting comments and interests.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 27, 2013, 04:30:44 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 27, 2013, 04:19:03 AM
Yes, I miss his input.

Hmm, who is pencils?  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 27, 2013, 04:37:23 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 27, 2013, 04:30:12 AM
I miss Lethe. She had a lot of interesting comments and interests.

Same here, Neal.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on October 27, 2013, 06:49:41 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 27, 2013, 04:30:44 AM
Hmm, who is pencils?  ???

A member who was only active for about a month or so. He, Jeffrey (vandermolen) and I share very similar tastes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 27, 2013, 07:49:59 AM
Quote from: kyjo on October 27, 2013, 06:49:41 AM
A member who was only active for about a month or so. He, Jeffrey (vandermolen) and I share very similar tastes.

Thanks Kyle, I might have missed his time on the board, as I was inactive for awhile on GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 27, 2013, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 27, 2013, 04:30:12 AM
I miss Lethe. She had a lot of interesting comments and interests.

This. Also must add a genuinely nice person, I mean her avatar was Shostakovich laughing  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on October 27, 2013, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 27, 2013, 07:49:59 AM
Thanks Kyle, I might have missed his time on the board, as I was inactive for awhile on GMG.

Yes, it's highly probable. He was only active in July and August (around the time I joined).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 28, 2013, 03:42:50 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 27, 2013, 04:30:12 AM
I miss Lethe. She had a lot of interesting comments and interests.

Aye.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 29, 2013, 11:48:51 AM
Three weeks, now, and no Opus106.  When do we dispatch a search party?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 29, 2013, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 29, 2013, 11:48:51 AM
Three weeks, now, and no Opus106.  When do we dispatch a search party?

Hmm, it is a bit long, even for Navneeth.  Hope he's OK.  He's my first 'classical music' buddy.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 29, 2013, 01:03:41 PM
He states that he is fine. I believe him. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 29, 2013, 01:05:52 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 29, 2013, 01:03:41 PM
He states that he is fine. I believe him. :)

8)
Something must be done about that, to make him return. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on October 29, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
He MUST be missing us.  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 30, 2013, 03:46:07 AM
If not, it must just be the Bachafugueaholism talking . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 30, 2013, 03:53:26 AM
Just as long as he doesn't become a permanent Bachafugitive.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 30, 2013, 03:54:32 AM
Ever on the run from the laws of counterpoint . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 30, 2013, 04:00:40 AM
Helped by Peter Quint, no doubt.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 31, 2013, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 27, 2013, 04:37:23 AM
Same here, Neal.

Me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on November 10, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
I miss my fellow organ lover and Bach admirer premont.
He hasn't logged in for about 10 days, which is quite unusual.

I hope he's OK.
I sent him an e-mail, but no response so far.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
I haven't seen Kyle (Kyjo) for quite some time. I guess he was so crushed that I'm listening to Xenakis, Scelsi, Cerha, etc. that he has entered into a deep depression. :)

I can imagine him all hunched over in a corner of a room mumbling to himself "John will return to late-Romanticism..." over and over again. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 11, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 11, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
I haven't seen Kyle (Kyjo) for quite some time.

His profile says "Last Active: Today, 5:18 PM"
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2013, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 11, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
His profile says "Last Active: Today, 5:18 PM"

Hmmm....I guess he's just lurking and not bothering to post. The poll station is quite empty without him. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: petrarch on November 11, 2013, 05:21:16 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 11, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
I'm listening to Xenakis, Scelsi, Cerha, etc.

You're into Cerha? Welcome to the klangkompositionen club! Better discuss this over in the proper thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2013, 06:15:05 PM
Quote from: petrarch on November 11, 2013, 05:21:16 PM
You're into Cerha? Welcome to the klangkompositionen club! Better discuss this over in the proper thread.

I am indeed! But, of course, I know so little of his music but I bought several recordings, so hopefully I'll have something half-way intelligent to say.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on November 12, 2013, 07:48:43 AM
Quote from: Marc on November 10, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
I miss my fellow organ lover and Bach admirer premont.
He hasn't logged in for about 10 days, which is quite unusual.

I hope he's OK.
I sent him an e-mail, but no response so far.

He's OK. :)
Internet conncection problems were/are the cause of his absence.
I think he will be back in about two weeks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on November 12, 2013, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: Marc on November 12, 2013, 07:48:43 AM
He's OK. :)
Internet conncection problems were/are the cause of his absence.
I think he will be back in about two weeks.

Excellent!  :)

That is really a great news.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 12, 2013, 10:06:24 AM
Very good.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 12, 2013, 11:54:08 AM
Opus106 (Navneeth) has now been away since Oct. 7th.  Miss him.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Octave on November 12, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 11, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
I can imagine him all hunched over in a corner of a room mumbling to himself "John will return to late-Romanticism..." over and over again. :P

I liked Kyjo and enjoyed his spirited posts and benefited from more than few of his recommendations.  He seemed to have a good sense of humor about the rather execrable, pack-of-wolves, really pretty shameful treatment that he seemed to receive at GMG.  I guess I read a small percentage of his prolific number of posts, though; I'm assuming I just didn't read the posts of his that cleared the way for this treatment?  I admired the way he handled what really appeared to be widespread bullying and condescension....it usually seemed pretty gracious or at least affable, based on my random, unwilling sample of incidents. 
I hope he sticks around.

I, too, hope Nav returns to us soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2013, 06:16:54 PM
Quote from: Octave on November 12, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
I liked Kyjo and enjoyed his spirited posts and benefited from more than few of his recommendations.  He seemed to have a good sense of humor about the rather execrable, pack-of-wolves, really pretty shameful treatment that he seemed to receive at GMG.  I guess I read a small percentage of his prolific number of posts, though; I'm assuming I just didn't read the posts of his that cleared the way for this treatment?  I admired the way he handled what really appeared to be widespread bullying and condescension....it usually seemed pretty gracious or at least affable, based on my random, unwilling sample of incidents. 

I hope he sticks around.

I certainly didn't mind having Kyle around but one thing that did bug me about him was every time I made a post regarding a purchase I made with, and here's the important part, a composer he doesn't 'approve' of, then he would always leave a sad emoticon or some other thing indicating that he was unhappy with my purchase. I didn't mind the first couple of times, but it seemed like each time I posted a purchase in 'latest purchases' thread he would have some kind of reaction. Maybe he was just joking around around or was he being serious? Whatever the case may be, I got burned out of his constant replies with essentially the same kind of remark over and over again. I don't need anyone's approval about what I buy, but I always welcome comments regarding the music or the performances, but I don't need some broken record disapproving of my purchases every time I make a post. That's just not cool at all.

Other than this annoyance, I had no problems with him. I, too, hope he sticks around.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on November 12, 2013, 07:35:41 PM
I always understood this thread as a place to express our sadness or maybe our concern because of a long or unusual absence of a GMGer... That's the reason why I feel a bit uncomfortable every time when is used to criticize an absent member.

I mean: It's not probably the best invitation to return, if that's the case.

I just wanted to say that. A comment in good faith, anyway. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 12, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
Gordo - more and more of your username is going missing! Soon you will just be "Go". Anyway, kyjo was here very recently, he just hasn't posted in a while. No need for worry, I think.

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on November 12, 2013, 05:29:06 PM
I rather felt it was the other way around, Octave.

There was a lot of long-lasting fallout and distrust from the episode when he created the "Unsung Composers" thread and a few people, notably Sforzando and I (and someone else - was it Scarpia?), started a philosophical discussion about the whole concept of unsung-ness and underrated-ness, and how to determine it. Unfortunately the result was that kyjo began a "joke" campaign of censoring "Unsung" claiming it was verboten.

It was a bit like the whole issue with 71dB and Elgar, except if 71dB had gone around jokingly mocking his own fondness for Elgar without external prompting. Live and let live; Kyle can and should continue to be a valuable resource for obscure composers - like helping me build a Herman Koppel playlist - and folks like me can indulge in our Beethoven nights, and we can all live in peace.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on November 12, 2013, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 12, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
Gordo - more and more of your username is going missing! Soon you will just be "Go".
I found it funny because Gordo is "fat" in Spanish.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 12, 2013, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Gordo on November 12, 2013, 07:47:08 PM
I found it funny because Gordo is "fat" in Spanish.  :)

Indeed. Here in Texas we have a doughnut shop called "Gourdough's" - for two reasons. One is gourmet + doughnut, but the other is because eating there makes you fat  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 12, 2013, 08:06:55 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 12, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
Live and let live; Kyle can and should continue to be a valuable resource for obscure composers - like helping me build a Herman Koppel playlist - and folks like me can indulge in our Beethoven nights, and we can all live in peace.

That would make for a more edifying GMG - and more fun, too! :)


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 12, 2013, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: Gordo on November 12, 2013, 07:47:08 PM
I found it funny because Gordo is "fat" in Spanish.  :)

By the way, err...fatty, that's one awesome avatar! :)


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on November 12, 2013, 09:10:31 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on November 12, 2013, 05:29:06 PM
I rather felt it was the other way around, Octave. It seemed to me he came on board with an attitude to spread the gospel of the "unknown composer" but not always benevolently. I'm not the overly sensitive type but more than once I felt the sting from him for daring to listen to "mainstream" classical.

He also had a habit of shrouding his own condescension in that typical "I was only joking, dude, chill out" manner. Which got old fast.
I've never really talked to Kyjo; there are definitely some things about his posts and personality that I find offputting and even grating, but that is my problem, not his. That said, I do enjoy reading his enthusiastic responses to music (like those of the other relative "newbies" with whom he's associated—madaboutmahler, Lisztianwagner, etc), which are a far cry from the more usual jaded GMG fare of comparing Mahler symphonies and Beethoven sonatas as though they were cars. If he were to start a blog with each entry showcasing a particular little-known work or composer, I for one would read it.

(Aren't we a nice bunch of people, talking about someone behind their back???)

That said he hasn't been on AMF either so I imagine he's just been busy and is planning to return to his more regular 20-a-day posting schedule when possible :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 13, 2013, 02:01:26 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 12, 2013, 07:54:17 PM
Indeed. Here in Texas we have a doughnut shop called "Gourdough's" - for two reasons. One is gourmet + doughnut, but the other is because eating there makes you fat  ;D

Well done.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on November 13, 2013, 02:02:36 AM
I'm not discussing Kyjo while he's not here, just welcoming him back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Hi guys, I'm back! Thanks to those of you who had kind things to say about me. :) I don't went to get into an argument with those who didn't, though. I have been absent from GMG from no other reason than that I have been extremely busy lately.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 11, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
I haven't seen Kyle (Kyjo) for quite some time. I guess he was so crushed that I'm listening to Xenakis, Scelsi, Cerha, etc. that he has entered into a deep depression. :)

I can imagine him all hunched over in a corner of a room mumbling to himself "John will return to late-Romanticism..." over and over again. :P

;D

I do hope that you will return to late-romanticism, but I didn't go so far as to hunch in a corner and mumble to myself. ;) I apologize for my disapproving attitude to you exploring more "avant-garde" composers. I have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't listen to. Since we're buddies, my "disapprovals" were half-joking, but I'll admit to being disappointed when you are getting composers I don't like. But that's my problem, not yours. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 13, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Hi guys, I'm back! Thanks to those of you who had kind things to say about me. :) I don't went to get into an argument with those who didn't, though. I have been absent from GMG from no other reason than that I have been extremely busy lately.

Hooray! Now let's talk about how awesome orfeo's Holmboe order was.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2013, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
;D

I do hope that you will return to late-romanticism, but I didn't go so far as to hunch in a corner and mumble to myself. ;) I apologize for my disapproving attitude to you exploring more "avant-garde" composers. I have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't listen to. Since we're buddies, my "disapprovals" were half-joking, but I'll admit to being disappointed when you are getting composers I don't like. But that's my problem, not yours. :)

All is forgiven and apology accepted, Kyle. Let's focus on composers we both like and want to talk about and forget about the ones that don't. I guess I shouldn't have said I'm 'leaving' late-Romanticism, because, for me, some of my favorite composers were late-Romantics, so I could never leave. My mind just gets into a different headspace sometimes and I tend to 'push aside' music that I love from time to time to focus on music that I've become intrigued by. Of course, my return is eminent and I'm about to change my avatar again! I'm going to go back to my Sibelius avatar. Goodness I LOVE his music. I own 18 cycles of his symphonies and I still feel this isn't 'enough'! ;) :D

Welcome back, BTW!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 13, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Hooray! Now let's talk about how awesome orfeo's Holmboe order was.

Yeah, anyone who likes Holmboe can be considered a homie of mine! 8) What should we call ourselves? The Holmbonians? The Holmboites? The Holmboe Homies? ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 13, 2013, 05:37:47 PM
All is forgiven and apology accepted, Kyle. Let's focus on composers we both like and want to talk about and forget about the ones that don't. I guess I shouldn't have said I'm 'leaving' late-Romanticism, because, for me, some of my favorite composers were late-Romantics, so I could never leave. My mind just gets into a different headspace sometimes and I tend to 'push aside' music that I love from time to time to focus on music that I've become intrigued by. Of course, my return is eminent and I'm about to change my avatar again! I'm going to go back to my Sibelius avatar. Goodness I LOVE his music. I own 18 cycles of his symphonies and I still feel this isn't 'enough'! ;) :D

Welcome back, BTW!

Good to hear, my friend. :) Yeah, sometimes I just can't get over how awesome (must stop using this word ::)) a composer Sibelius was. I've always considered him to be a "late-romantic", but many insist that he's firmly a 20th century composer. His ideas are rather forward-looking in that they largely eschew late-romantic excess and use that organic development he is so famous for, but his musical language itself is late-romantic IMO. What do you think, John?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 13, 2013, 06:01:07 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
Yeah, anyone who likes Holmboe can be considered a homie of mine! 8) What should we call ourselves? The Holmbonians? The Holmboites? The Holmboe Homies? ;D

I like Holmboe Homies, but there's also the Sherlock Holmboes, the Holmboeheads, and my personal favorite, the Holmbovines.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:55:15 PM
Good to hear, my friend. :) Yeah, sometimes I just can't get over how awesome (must stop using this word ::)) a composer Sibelius was. I've always considered him to be a "late-romantic", but many insist that he's firmly a 20th century composer. His ideas are rather forward-looking in that they largely eschew late-romantic excess and use that organic development he is so famous for, but his musical language itself is late-romantic IMO. What do you think, John?

I think Sibelius' musical language was more ahead of his time than people give him credit for. I think late-Romanticism was just too stifling for him so he had to find a way out of this style and his way was what you're talking about. He found a way to build some of the most remarkable textures by giving the music room to breathe. He also was one of the first composers (to my knowledge) to start favoring silence in his symphonies. This kind of approach predates so many composers and has inspired many others. I'm not sure how influential he is nowadays, but that's beside the point, for me, there was no greater symphonist than Sibelius. A bold statement for sure, but one I feel very strongly about. Nobody sounded like him and his voice was truly his own.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 13, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
I think Sibelius' musical language was more ahead of his time than people give him credit for. I think late-Romanticism was just too stifling for him so he had to find a way out of this style and his way was what you're talking about. He found a way to build some of the most remarkable textures by giving the music room to breathe. He also was one of the first composers (to my knowledge) to start favoring silence in his symphonies. This kind of approach predates so many composers and has inspired many others. I'm not sure how influential he is nowadays, but that's beside the point, for me, there was no greater symphonist than Sibelius. A bold statement for sure, but one I feel very strongly about. Nobody sounded like him and his voice was truly his own.

Interesting post! Bruckner utilized silence (pauses, rather) in his symphonies quite often. Saying Sibelius was the greatest symphonist ever really isn't such a bold statement. I consider Mahler to be the greatest symphonist ever, with Sibelius and Bruckner following close behind.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 13, 2013, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 06:15:37 PM
Interesting post! Bruckner utilized silence (pauses, rather) in his symphonies quite often. Saying Sibelius was the greatest symphonist ever really isn't such a bold statement. I consider Mahler to be the greatest symphonist ever, with Sibelius and Bruckner following close behind.

Bruckner did, indeed, use silence in his symphonies, which is why I wrote that Sibelius was one of the first to use it in his symphonies. Silence was a huge part of Bruckner's sound-world, which gives Sibelius a closer linkage to Bruckner than say Mahler. I do like Mahler a lot, but I can't, for the life of me, figure out why I don't rank him too highly? I mean his music is robust, powerfully expressive, and completely personal, but, I still don't quite connect with it, the same way I do other composers say Sibelius or Bruckner. I don't listen to Bruckner that much these days either. My three favorite symphonists would definitely be Sibelius, Shostakovich, and Vaughan Williams. For me, it just doesn't get any better and each of them, while maybe not 'innovators,' had the most unique approach to the idiom and were completely their own persons. I do enjoy other symphonists, but these three are the ones I come back to the most and think the most highly of, but, of course, we're all different and no one will have a list exactly the same.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 14, 2013, 03:39:26 AM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Hi guys, I'm back! Thanks to those of you who had kind things to say about me. :) I don't went to get into an argument with those who didn't, though. I have been absent from GMG from no other reason than that I have been extremely busy lately.

The good kind of busy, I am sure we all hope!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 14, 2013, 03:41:02 AM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
;D

I do hope that you will return to late-romanticism, but I didn't go so far as to hunch in a corner and mumble to myself. ;) I apologize for my disapproving attitude to you exploring more "avant-garde" composers. I have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't listen to. Since we're buddies, my "disapprovals" were half-joking, but I'll admit to being disappointed when you are getting composers I don't like. But that's my problem, not yours. :)

So you've spent this time coming 'round to liking Richard Strauss? Excellent!  ;)   0:)   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on November 14, 2013, 03:44:20 AM
Good to see you're still around, Kyle!


Quote from: karlhenning on November 14, 2013, 03:39:26 AM
The good kind of busy, I am sure we all hope!
Quote from: karlhenning on November 14, 2013, 03:41:02 AM
So you've spent this time coming 'round to liking Richard Strauss? Excellent!  ;)   0:)   8)
That's roughly what I thought you meant with [t]he good kind of busy, Karl.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 14, 2013, 03:48:50 AM
G'day, Karlo!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on November 14, 2013, 04:19:03 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 14, 2013, 03:48:50 AM
G'day, Karlo!  :)
Good morning, Karl!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 14, 2013, 04:55:57 AM
Quote from: kyjo on November 13, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Hi guys, I'm back! Thanks to those of you who had kind things to say about me. :) I don't went to get into an argument with those who didn't, though. I have been absent from GMG from no other reason than that I have been extremely busy lately.

Welcome back, Kyle!  Very happy to see you return.  :) Life very gets busy, so posting on GMG isn't always priority# uno!  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on November 15, 2013, 02:37:45 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 12, 2013, 11:54:08 AM
Opus106 (Navneeth) has now been away since Oct. 7th.  Miss him.  :(

Yes, I share your feelings.

Let's hope for a comeback .... with Coopmv (Stuart) .... they both seemed to enjoy their 18th century music, which means they're good lads (contradiction prohibited :P).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 15, 2013, 06:12:55 PM
Thanks very much, Karlo and Ray! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 16, 2013, 11:25:55 AM
Quote from: Marc on November 12, 2013, 07:48:43 AM
He's OK. :)
Internet conncection problems were/are the cause of his absence.
I think he will be back in about two weeks.

Fortunately my internet connection works again.  :) :) :)

A big cross-field had been crushed by falling wall-bricks from a condemned house in the neighbourhood, and I was told, that repair would take some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 16, 2013, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 15, 2013, 06:12:55 PM
Thanks very much, Karlo and Ray! :)

I missed your posts on the film music thread.  Glad that you are back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 16, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: Bogey on November 16, 2013, 12:06:54 PM
I missed your posts on the film music thread.  Glad that you are back.

Thank you! :)

By "missed" do you mean you didn't previously see my posts on the film music thread or that you would like me to post more on that thread? If the latter, then I would certainly be glad to add some more comments there!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 16, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 16, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Thank you! :)

By "missed" do you mean you didn't previously see my posts on the film music thread or that you would like me to post more on that thread? If the latter, then I would certainly be glad to add some more comments there!

The latter.  It is one of my favorite threads on the board.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 16, 2013, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Bogey on November 16, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
The latter.  It is one of my favorite threads on the board.

Thanks for clarifying! I'll be sure to post there sometime.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on November 17, 2013, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 16, 2013, 11:25:55 AM
Fortunately my internet connection works again.  :) :) :)

A big cross-field had been crushed by falling wall-bricks from a condemned house in the neighbourhood, and I was told, that repair would take some time.

It's great to see you online again, Premont!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on November 17, 2013, 10:10:51 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 16, 2013, 11:25:55 AM
Fortunately my internet connection works again.  :) :) :)

A big cross-field had been crushed by falling wall-bricks from a condemned house in the neighbourhood, and I was told, that repair would take some time.

As long as them bricks didn't ruin the organ of the neighbourhood church, it's OK.

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 18, 2013, 02:03:34 AM
Thanks Gordo and Marc for your kind words.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 18, 2013, 02:11:57 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 16, 2013, 11:25:55 AM
Fortunately my internet connection works again.  :) :) :)

A big cross-field had been crushed by falling wall-bricks from a condemned house in the neighbourhood, and I was told, that repair would take some time.

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 18, 2013, 02:29:04 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 18, 2013, 02:11:57 AM
Welcome back!

Thanks.  :)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 19, 2013, 11:06:12 AM
Another fine chap that I miss is Keemun, Todd.

He has one of my all-time favourite avatars.  A cup of Keemun tea.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 20, 2013, 05:26:21 PM
Conor71 in Australia left?  :'(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 20, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 20, 2013, 05:26:21 PM
Conor71 in Australia left?  :'(

I think Conor is a frequent visitor of the Talk Classical forum and has been spending more time over there. He's such a cool guy and I miss him here, too, Ray.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on November 21, 2013, 04:41:19 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 20, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
I think Conor is a frequent visitor of the Talk Classical forum and has been spending more time over there. He's such a cool guy and I miss him here, too, Ray.

Oh, I see.  Thanks, John.  :)

Didn't realize that 'Talk Classical' was still breathing.  I was on there as a member in its very early days.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2013, 04:59:37 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 21, 2013, 04:41:19 AM
Didn't realize that 'Talk Classical' was still breathing.

Maybe, zombie-like, it's just shambling along . . . .

Bonjour, Ray!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on November 21, 2013, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 21, 2013, 04:41:19 AM
Oh, I see.  Thanks, John.  :)

Didn't realize that 'Talk Classical' was still breathing.  I was on there as a member in its very early days.

I talk classical everyday...here in GMG that is.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 21, 2013, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 21, 2013, 04:41:19 AM
Oh, I see.  Thanks, John.  :)

Didn't realize that 'Talk Classical' was still breathing.  I was on there as a member in its very early days.

Yep, Ray. Talk Classical is still going strong. I prefer GMG, but TC has some nice people there that are quite knowledgeable.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 05, 2013, 04:02:38 PM
Did another member leave??  I recall the total post count being in the 722,000 + range.  Now it's in the 720,000 range.  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 05, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on December 05, 2013, 04:02:38 PM
Did another member leave??  I recall the total post count being in the 722,000 + range.  Now it's in the 720,000 range.  ???

Hard to use that as a gauge of anything though, Ray. Very few members delete all their posts when they go. I am unaware of anyone leaving, FWIW.   :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 05, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 05, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Hard to use that as a gauge of anything though, Ray. Very few members delete all their posts when they go. I am unaware of anyone leaving, FWIW.   :-\

8)

Oh, ok Gurn.  :)  I was mistaken in that if anyone left and closed their account, the total post count was reduced (even though their posts still show up as guests).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 05, 2013, 04:42:33 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 05, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Hard to use that as a gauge of anything though, Ray. Very few members delete all their posts when they go. I am unaware of anyone leaving, FWIW.   :-\

8)
Other than M, I don't notice people leaving either. I communicate with the people who ARE here.

Well, I did miss Uncle Harry when he left ( as my wife and Kimi kept reminding me).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on December 06, 2013, 05:39:29 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 05, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Hard to use that as a gauge of anything though, Ray. Very few members delete all their posts when they go. I am unaware of anyone leaving, FWIW.   :-\

We know you moved all of Sarge's pictures of babes to a secret moderators-only board...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 06, 2013, 05:43:08 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 06, 2013, 05:39:29 AM
We know you moved all of Sarge's pictures of babes to a secret moderators-only board...

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 06, 2013, 05:55:54 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 06, 2013, 05:39:29 AM
We know you moved all of Sarge's pictures of babes to a secret moderators-only board...

And your point...?  ;)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 06, 2013, 05:56:57 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 06, 2013, 05:55:54 AM
And your point...?  ;)

8)

An advise to observe moderation?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on December 06, 2013, 06:00:45 AM
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 06, 2013, 07:44:41 AM
Quote from: North Star on December 06, 2013, 06:00:45 AM
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Well, that's the best part, isn't it?   >:D  $:)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 06, 2013, 10:45:51 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 21, 2013, 04:41:19 AM
Oh, I see.  Thanks, John.  :)

Didn't realize that 'Talk Classical' was still breathing.  I was on there as a member in its very early days.

Never heard of the group: is it full of posers and poseurs?   :o ;)

Of course, at least it isn't called Talque Classique!   ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on December 06, 2013, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Cato on December 06, 2013, 10:45:51 AM
Never heard of the group: is it full of posers and poseurs?   :o ;)

Talk Classical is full of the same type of folks who reside here.  For all I know, they are the exact same people who have changed their names to protect their true identities.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 06, 2013, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: North Star on December 06, 2013, 06:00:45 AM
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Immanis pecoris custos, immanior ipse  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on December 07, 2013, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 29, 2013, 11:48:51 AM
Three weeks, now, and no Opus106.  When do we dispatch a search party?

Two months, now, and still no Opus106.

Hope he is doing well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: toledobass on December 08, 2013, 07:29:15 AM
I have been lurking on an off for the past year or two.  Making an effort to participate again.  Good to see a lot of old friends still here,  hope to meet some new ones.

A
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 08, 2013, 10:48:55 AM
Quote from: toledobass on December 08, 2013, 07:29:15 AM
I have been lurking on an off for the past year or two.  Making an effort to participate again.  Good to see a lot of old friends still here,  hope to meet some new ones.

A

Hi Allan!

What is the Toledo Symphony up to for the rest of the year?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 08, 2013, 07:42:16 PM
Well Kyle (Kyjo) is missing again. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 26, 2013, 05:57:54 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 08, 2013, 07:42:16 PM
Well Kyle (Kyjo) is missing again. :(

Yeah, I miss him too.  Hopefully he will come back.  :(

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Kyle. (if you read this).  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on December 26, 2013, 06:15:11 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 12, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
Gordo - more and more of your username is going missing! Soon you will just be "Go". Anyway, kyjo was here very recently, he just hasn't posted in a while. No need for worry, I think.

There was a lot of long-lasting fallout and distrust from the episode when he created the "Unsung Composers" thread and a few people, notably Sforzando and I (and someone else - was it Scarpia?), started a philosophical discussion about the whole concept of unsung-ness and underrated-ness, and how to determine it. Unfortunately the result was that kyjo began a "joke" campaign of censoring "Unsung" claiming it was verboten.

It was a bit like the whole issue with 71dB and Elgar, except if 71dB had gone around jokingly mocking his own fondness for Elgar without external prompting. Live and let live; Kyle can and should continue to be a valuable resource for obscure composers - like helping me build a Herman Koppel playlist - and folks like me can indulge in our Beethoven nights, and we can all live in peace.

Thank you for mentioning me, Brian. The whole concept of what constitutes "under" or "overratedness" seems to me difficult to assess at best. (I do from time to time buy CDs from this one or that one's "unsung" list, and the results are variable - thumbs up say for Weinberg and Pettersson, thumbs down for Terterian and Braga-Santos.) But I can be gone for months and no one ever seems to miss me in any case, one reason why I've more or less given up on trying to write anything serious here. It's just too much effort with no reward.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on December 26, 2013, 06:17:14 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 14, 2013, 07:42:29 PM
Anyone heard from Navneeth (Opus 106) in the last week.
He was last active on 10/7.
My knowledge of where the actual impact zone was is hazy, but I was under the impression that Chennai was not directly threatened by that enormous Bengal cyclone.

Perhaps he's up to Opus 109.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 26, 2013, 08:01:45 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on December 26, 2013, 06:15:11 AM
But I can be gone for months and no one ever seems to miss me in any case, one reason why I've more or less given up on trying to write anything serious here. It's just too much effort with no reward.

Well, you don't know that. You are one of the very few that I can say 'I always read your posts'. But the general feeling that you have, that's it's difficult to expect more than a modicum of serious posting is, unfortunately, true. Hard to see a way around that, there are so many different expectations and capabilities. :-\

8)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on December 26, 2013, 08:27:11 AM
The reward ought to be in the posting itself. No matter how much I enjoy reading posts from you two, I usually don't have anything worth adding so my appreciation tends to be silent.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 26, 2013, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: North Star on December 26, 2013, 08:27:11 AM
The reward ought to be in the posting itself. No matter how much I enjoy reading posts from you two. I usually don't have anything worth adding so my appreciation tends to be silent.

I find many of your contributions valuable. Usually they are in areas with which I have no solid input to return, for I just file it away for future reference. No one knows everything (despite what they might think) so reading what someone else has written about is a good way to learn. My own scope is pretty limited, if somewhat in depth. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 26, 2013, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on December 26, 2013, 06:15:11 AM
Thank you for mentioning me, Brian. The whole concept of what constitutes "under" or "overratedness" seems to me difficult to assess at best. (I do from time to time buy CDs from this one or that one's "unsung" list, and the results are variable - thumbs up say for Weinberg and Pettersson, thumbs down for Terterian and Braga-Santos.) But I can be gone for months and no one ever seems to miss me in any case, one reason why I've more or less given up on trying to write anything serious here. It's just too much effort with no reward.

Certainly I understand that, as do (probably) many others.  It would be nice to have the time and money to follow (e.g. insert modern Scandinavian composer here) in depth, assuming that I liked (modern Scandinavian composer) to begin with.  If I did, then I could follow a good number of topics here!

For the more general topics, e.g. on musical aesthetics, things which are of interest to me crash and burn more often than not.

But there are interesting comments on assorted items, and people have written that they do read a good number things, but just feel they have nothing to add to the conversation...or the monologue!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on December 26, 2013, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 26, 2013, 10:05:38 AM
I find many of your contributions valuable. Usually they are in areas with which I have no solid input to return, for I just file it away for future reference. No one knows everything (despite what they might think) so reading what someone else has written about is a good way to learn. My own scope is pretty limited, if somewhat in depth. :-\

8)
Thanks!
Yes, I think our areas of special interest are rather different - though of course I might be a militant Haydnian in a couple of years :D.
But in my opinion it's only a good thing that we're all interested in slightly different things. One can get something out of the posts concerning something that isn't really of too much interest to one - either finding new music to listen to, or just new things to appreciate in other music. The Brianites are a different subspecies, though - mostly lurking in their own cave. ;)
But, tempus fugit..
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 26, 2013, 05:23:49 PM
I don't think a person should get hung up on whether their contribution gets read or not. If I'm making a post in a thread that I know that's not going to get many or even zero responses, I post anyway. In this sense, it's almost like a personal journal. It's interesting to see my thoughts on say Prokofiev, for example, three years ago versus today. It's like charting your own growth as a listener. It's nice to interact with other members here, too, no question about it, but unless you're a troll, you're contribution is valuable to someone on this forum. Let's say you post about Mozart's Requiem and list your favorite recorded performances and give detailed reasons for why you prefer this and that recording, well someone who's new to Mozart's Requiem will run across your post, and assuming they're interested in buying some recordings, they see your post. Well, you just helped someone out and you didn't even know it. If you feel something you post goes unnoticed, then it's certainly not the end of the world, you just have to keep posting about music you're passionate about. I mean, after all, we're all obviously passionate about this music, so why not share our thoughts? Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sean on December 26, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on December 26, 2013, 06:15:11 AM
Thank you for mentioning me, Brian. The whole concept of what constitutes "under" or "overratedness" seems to me difficult to assess at best. (I do from time to time buy CDs from this one or that one's "unsung" list, and the results are variable - thumbs up say for Weinberg and Pettersson, thumbs down for Terterian and Braga-Santos.) But I can be gone for months and no one ever seems to miss me in any case, one reason why I've more or less given up on trying to write anything serious here. It's just too much effort with no reward.

Hi. You're not quite alone in this understanding. The world has changed over the last decade, again for the worse. I came across this forum in 2002 and the quality and range of comment was far superior and most impressive. If I'd found it as it is today I'd certainly never have bothered with it.

Why the decline? It's all around us throughout life in the postmodern mush of disbelief in objective standards and instead mindless personal opinion. The management here could have promoted higher standards but I understand it's not easy.

People used to listen to a work and start a thread on it. Now hardly anybody here really listens to anything and instead it's in one ear, on the What are you listening to? thread, out the other, and onto the next work and the next superficial pink fluff experience.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 26, 2013, 06:58:47 PM
Quote from: Sean on December 26, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
Hi. You're not quite alone in this understanding. The world has changed over the last decade, again for the worse. I came across this forum in 2002 and the quality and range of comment was far superior and most impressive. If I'd found it as it is today I'd certainly never have bothered with it.

Why the decline? It's all around us throughout life in the postmodern mush of disbelief in objective standards and instead mindless personal opinion. The management here could have promoted higher standards but I understand it's not easy.

People used to listen to a work and start a thread on it. Now hardly anybody here really listens to anything and instead it's in one ear, on the What are you listening to? thread, out the other, and onto the next work and the next superficial pink fluff experience.

:D

Happy Holidays, Sean!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 26, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
Another GMG member I miss is Gold Knight.  Hasn't been around for months.  I liked his posts of "under the baton of....", or "lead by Maestro....". 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 26, 2013, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on December 26, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
Another GMG member I miss is Gold Knight.  Hasn't been around for months.  I liked his posts of "under the baton of....", or "lead by Maestro....".

Yeah, Gold Knight was cool. He's normally found on Talk Classical these days, but my absence from that forum has pretty much kept me 'out of the loop' with everyone there.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 26, 2013, 11:58:28 PM
I haven't seen Drasko for quite some time... And Antoine Marchand..

I really miss them... :(   

But I guess some have a life outside of GMG. :D Come back anyway, guys! :)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on December 27, 2013, 04:04:55 AM
AFAIK, Antoine Marchand = Gordon Shumway = Gordo .... and he's still quite active. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on December 27, 2013, 04:15:20 AM
Quote from: Marc on December 27, 2013, 04:04:55 AM
AFAIK, Antoine Marchand = Gordon Shumway = Gordo .... and he's still quite active. :)

Do you have any proof on that?  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on December 27, 2013, 04:18:51 AM
Quote from: Gordo on December 27, 2013, 04:15:20 AM
Do you have any proof on that?  ;)  ;D

Who's asking? :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on December 27, 2013, 04:28:04 AM
 ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on December 27, 2013, 04:48:03 AM
Naturally.

;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 27, 2013, 06:54:48 AM
Quote from: Marc on December 27, 2013, 04:04:55 AM
AFAIK, Antoine Marchand = Gordon Shumway = Gordo .... and he's still quite active. :)

Right.  ;D Now you mention it, I should have known. Or rather, I sometimes do know but then keep forgetting again and being confused.

You guys keep changing those names and avatars to give me the illusion that the contingent of HIP and Early/ Baroque Music lovers is ever growing!! :laugh:

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sean on December 27, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on December 26, 2013, 06:58:47 PM
:D

Happy Holidays, Sean!  :)

Thanks. I have less than zero interest in Christmas I'm afraid, too much religious baggage for a Hindu and part of a culture that was often rather negative for me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 27, 2013, 05:50:21 PM
Yes, goodness knows you're such a beacon of positivity.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sean on December 28, 2013, 03:37:59 AM
Hi Karl, well I wouldn't take issue with many of the criticisms that could be levelled at me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 28, 2013, 04:45:38 AM
The irony of your complaint about the negativity, Sean, is that just before reading this post of yours here, I saw your post about the Villa-Lobos quartets. A post with an immediate zing of gratuitous negativity.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 28, 2013, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: Sean on December 26, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
Why the decline? It's all around us throughout life in the postmodern mush of disbelief in objective standards and instead mindless personal opinion.

You certainly know a thing or two about it.The irrefutable proof is below.

Quote from: Sean on December 27, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
I have less than zero interest in Christmas I'm afraid, too much religious baggage for a Hindu and part of a culture that was often rather negative for me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sean on December 29, 2013, 01:39:38 AM
You two pillars of the establishment, your disbelief in my great genius is futile I assure you. I am the forum's par excellence long suffering attendee. And reducing everything I and anyone else says to a relative view is but one more point to me...

Come on guys, music is finished and over like so many aspects of humanity. Be honest, hang up the gloves and agree with me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on December 29, 2013, 01:46:15 AM
Quote from: Sean on December 29, 2013, 01:39:38 AM
You two pillars of the establishment, your disbelief in my great genius is futile I assure you. I am the forum's par excellence long suffering attendee. And reducing everything I and anyone else says to a relative view is but one more point to me...

Come on guys, music is finished and over like so many aspects of humanity. Be honest, hang up the gloves and agree with me.
I appreciate the humour of this post.  :D

But I don't think humanity is finished just yet.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 29, 2013, 06:33:23 AM
Sean, your credibility as an oracle is finished and over; be honest and hang up the gloves.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 29, 2013, 06:42:37 AM
The ignore function is lovely.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on December 29, 2013, 10:28:34 AM
Quote from: Sean on December 29, 2013, 01:39:38 AM
You two pillars of the establishment, your disbelief in my great genius is futile I assure you. I am the forum's par excellence long suffering attendee. And reducing everything I and anyone else says to a relative view is but one more point to me...

Come on guys, music is finished and over like so many aspects of humanity. Be honest, hang up the gloves and agree with me.



(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6d4s5AuHMZiH756lojv91w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTI5MztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz02MDA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ucomics.com/dt131222.jpg)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on December 29, 2013, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: Sean on December 29, 2013, 01:39:38 AM
You two pillars of the establishment, your disbelief in my great genius is futile I assure you. I am the forum's par excellence long suffering attendee.

That's only because you insist on playing that role.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 29, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: springrite on December 29, 2013, 06:42:37 AM
The ignore function is lovely.  :D

QFT
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sean on December 29, 2013, 04:05:20 PM
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017ee5f2a560970d-800wi.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on December 29, 2013, 04:27:59 PM
Quote from: Cato on December 26, 2013, 10:45:22 AM
Certainly I understand that, as do (probably) many others.  It would be nice to have the time and money to follow (e.g. insert modern Scandinavian composer here) in depth, assuming that I liked (modern Scandinavian composer) to begin with.  If I did, then I could follow a good number of topics here!

For the more general topics, e.g. on musical aesthetics, things which are of interest to me crash and burn more often than not.

But there are interesting comments on assorted items, and people have written that they do read a good number things, but just feel they have nothing to add to the conversation...or the monologue!

I appreciate your comment and those from some others. I find musical aesthetics and history of interest, perhaps more than most, and I don't necessarily expect interesting replies, though they come at times from the likes of amw and Brian. What irritates me most, I suppose, is the thoughtless sniping from people who have nothing to contribute, but who simply want to take the opportunity to sneer at someone who takes a little more time than to toss off a few one-liners:

QuoteI don't see the point of having this long drawn out pedantic discussion on the meaning of the word "underrated."

Yawn......don't feel like reading all this......

Listen Sforzando, I'm done arguing with you. Your posts make no sense to me.

Like my "underrated composers" thread... people can't just have fun and go with it, but have to philosophize and analyze the meaning of the word "underrated."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on December 30, 2013, 04:10:44 AM
I visit GMG multiple times a day and enjoy reading what people have to say. Although it shows I've made over two thousand posts, they're spread over a number of years, so I'm not what would be considered a frequent poster. Time or knowledge limitations usually prevent me from responding.
  In the past, a "like" button has been suggested. Perhaps something like that would allow readers like me to acknowledge a post we find interesting or helpful while letting the posters know their contributions are appreciated.
  Also, at any given moment, there are guests reading the forum in a number multiple times that of members on-line. Just because a post or thread isn't getting a lot of activity doesn't mean it's not valuable.
  Finally, we've had missing members (and I'm not referring to any individuals posting or mentioned in this thread) who clearly participated with an air of self-importance and became bitter when their ego wasn't satisfied. It's best that these individuals remain among the missing. While I also don't care for a lot of the negative posts that are made, they do sometimes stimulate further discussion and it's a better situation than having a vanity board.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 04:33:48 AM
Tony, I have read your post, and I like it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on December 30, 2013, 04:44:48 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 30, 2013, 04:33:48 AM
Tony, I have read your post, and I like it.

What! You don't love it?   >:(

Time to start my "Leaving GMG" thread!

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 04:51:21 AM
"I no longer love the way you hold your pens and pencils . . . ."

Back to (poco) Sfz's post/citation:

QuoteLike my "underrated composers" thread... people can't just have fun and go with it, but have to philosophize and analyze the meaning of the word "underrated."

Of course, for some of us, the philosophy and analysis are part of the fun.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on December 30, 2013, 05:02:26 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 30, 2013, 04:51:21 AM
"I no longer love the way you hold your pens and pencils . . . ."

I did get sweater for Christmas ...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 05:09:31 AM
The color of your sweaters is still all right.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sean on December 30, 2013, 06:09:39 AM
Sincere best wishes folks...

(http://www.educationquizzes.com/library/GCSE/English/Poetry-Do-Not-Go-Web.jpg)

(http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/229/183/229183743_640.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 30, 2013, 06:24:41 AM
Quote from: Szykneij on December 30, 2013, 04:44:48 AM
Time to start my "Leaving GMG" thread!


Sean beat you to it. Our resident genius is gone! O tragic day  :'(

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on December 30, 2013, 06:31:29 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 30, 2013, 06:24:41 AM

Sean beat you to it. Our resident genius is gone! O tragic day  :'(

Sarge

Probably in search of another galaxy.  8)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on December 30, 2013, 06:43:44 AM
Yeah, like Fu Manchu and indigestion, he will be back.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on December 30, 2013, 06:46:20 AM
Quote from: knight66 on December 30, 2013, 06:43:44 AM
Yeah, like Fu Manchu and indigestion, he will be back.

Mike

:laugh: 8) ;D

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 06:48:30 AM
If only he did not mistake the degradation of his own faculties for the end of civilization . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 06:48:58 AM
Quote from: knight66 on December 30, 2013, 06:43:44 AM
Yeah, like Fu Manchu and indigestion, he will be back.

Mike

Dude!  Thanks for sharing (visually) your trip!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on December 30, 2013, 06:49:47 AM
No problem Karl.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 30, 2013, 07:50:38 AM
Quote from: knight66 on December 30, 2013, 06:43:44 AM
Yeah, like Fu Manchu and indigestion, he will be back.

Mike

;) :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on December 30, 2013, 07:52:59 AM
Quote from: knight66 on December 30, 2013, 06:43:44 AM
Yeah, like Fu Manchu and indigestion, he will be back.

Mike
I thought that was The Terminator?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on December 30, 2013, 09:38:12 AM
The evil Fu Manchu got there first, at the very end of each film when he had supposedly been vanquished.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 30, 2013, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: Sean on December 30, 2013, 06:09:39 AM
Sincere best wishes folks...

(http://www.educationquizzes.com/library/GCSE/English/Poetry-Do-Not-Go-Web.jpg)

(http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/229/183/229183743_640.jpg)

Here is what REALLY happened to Sean:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/08/article-2012695-0CEDA90600000578-713_306x423.jpg)

This is what happens when you don't check the dates on certain records!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 10:19:51 AM
Busted, again . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 30, 2013, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 30, 2013, 10:19:51 AM
Busted, again . . . .

For those interested in the reference above, send me a PM!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mn dave on December 30, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
I missed a member once.

It was awful.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 01:17:28 PM
Apollo is in the building!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on December 30, 2013, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: Metal Dave on December 30, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
I missed a member once.

It was awful.
Not THE member I hope? Though that certainly would go some way towards explaining some things....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mn dave on December 30, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: The new erato on December 30, 2013, 01:32:56 PM
Not THE member I hope? Though that certainly would go some way towards explaining some things....

No, that one guy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 30, 2013, 02:31:09 PM
Quote from: Sean on December 30, 2013, 06:09:39 AM
Sincere best wishes folks...

(http://www.educationquizzes.com/library/GCSE/English/Poetry-Do-Not-Go-Web.jpg)

(http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/229/183/229183743_640.jpg)

Didn't know you. I don't even think we spoke to each other but once or twice. In any event, good luck Obi-Wan.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2013, 03:21:29 PM
He was the guy weeping in the corner while listening to Nixon in China.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 30, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 30, 2013, 03:21:29 PM
He was the guy weeping in the corner while listening to Nixon in China.

Oh...how unfortunate. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
Backing up Tony, another board I visit has a like button, but no dislike button. Now, it uses different software, so that may not be applicable here. But a like button would be great because then I will finally have the validation I've always sought.  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 31, 2013, 07:51:28 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 31, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
Backing up Tony, another board I visit has a like button, but no dislike button. Now, it uses different software, so that may not be applicable here. But a like button would be great because then I will finally have the validation I've always sought.  0:)

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 31, 2013, 07:55:10 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 31, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
Backing up Tony, another board I visit has a like button, but no dislike button. Now, it uses different software, so that may not be applicable here. But a like button would be great because then I will finally have the validation I've always sought.  0:)

*Will press "like" button for CDs!*

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Tom 1960 on March 16, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
I don't get around these parts much these days but I was wondering if Andre or his former screenname "Lilas Pastia" still posts here on the boards? He resided in Quebec. He was a good egg. We used to keep in regular contact years back. Any info you guys can provide would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 16, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: Tom 1960 on March 16, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
I don't get around these parts much these days but I was wondering if Andre or his former screenname "Lilas Pastia" still posts here on the boards? He resided in Quebec. He was a good egg. We used to keep in regular contact years back. Any info you guys can provide would be appreciated.

Andre is still a member, but he doesn't post anymore. His screen name now is [wait for it] Andre! If you drop him a PM it will still get to him by email and he may answer you. Last I heard, he was being transferred to a more rural area of Quebec and so isn't in Montreal any longer.

Cheers,
8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 16, 2014, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on March 16, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Andre is still a member, but he doesn't post anymore. His screen name now is [wait for it] Andre! If you drop him a PM it will still get to him by email and he may answer you. Last I heard, he was being transferred to a more rural area of Quebec and so isn't in Montreal any longer.

Cheers,
8)

Hmm, well it seems he has deregistered. I hadn't noted that, it must be recent. *sigh*

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Tom 1960 on March 16, 2014, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on March 16, 2014, 06:01:24 PM
Hmm, well it seems he has deregistered. I hadn't noted that, it must be recent. *sigh*

8)
Well that was quick work, Gurn. Somehow I knew you would chime in. Thanks for the info my friend!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 16, 2014, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: Tom 1960 on March 16, 2014, 06:05:49 PM
Well that was quick work, Gurn. Somehow I knew you would chime in. Thanks for the info my friend!

You're welcome, Tom. Always a pleasure.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 16, 2014, 06:11:40 PM
Andre' wrote to me also, and even sent homemade CD's, but suddenly stopped answering everything over a year ago.

I don't understand it: someone told me he became angry on one of the topics (about authentic performances on original instruments?) and left GMG.  Certainly I was not connected to that argument in any way, but he stopped writing around that time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Tom 1960 on March 16, 2014, 06:16:33 PM
Sorry it appears Andre has left in a huff. Sometimes that happens. I just happened to search the member directory under "Andre" and can't seem to find him listed. If I am wrong, can someone re-direct me?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 17, 2014, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: Cato on March 16, 2014, 06:11:40 PM
Andre' wrote to me also, and even sent homemade CD's, but suddenly stopped answering everything over a year ago.

I don't understand it: someone told me he became angry on one of the topics (about authentic performances on original instruments?) and left GMG.  Certainly I was not connected to that argument in any way, but he stopped writing around that time.

Seems kind of silly for anyone to leave GMG based on some kind of argument. I mean I know I'm far from perfect and I have left GMG once (for a month I believe), but I did come back. You guys are my friends, so why would I want to leave now?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on April 10, 2014, 06:13:11 PM
Has anyone heard from Cosi Bel Do (Discobole)?  Anyone? :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 26, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Hello ! Just re-registered  $:). I'm not quite reacquainted with GMG' s new lores and mores. This just happens to be the first thread I've been looking at today.

Hi Tom ! Hi Mike(s) !!  Give me some time to feel my way in again !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 27, 2014, 06:46:07 AM
Quote from: André on April 26, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Hello ! Just re-registered  $:). I'm not quite reacquainted with GMG' s new lores and mores. This just happens to be the first thread I've been looking at today.

Welcome home. You've been sorely missed in the Abbey.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 27, 2014, 07:35:10 AM
Quote from: André on April 26, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Hello ! Just re-registered  $:). I'm not quite reacquainted with GMG' s new lores and mores. This just happens to be the first thread I've been looking at today.

Hi Tom ! Hi Mike(s) !!  Give me some time to feel my way in again !

Welcome back, Andre!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on April 27, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 27, 2014, 08:40:02 AM
Thanks $:).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 27, 2014, 08:57:01 AM
Huzzah for André's return!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 27, 2014, 01:52:07 PM
Hi Karl ! Where can I sample your latest opuses ? Any links ?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 27, 2014, 07:10:19 PM
Welcome back, Andre!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 27, 2014, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: André on April 26, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Hello ! Just re-registered  $:). I'm not quite reacquainted with GMG' s new lores and mores. This just happens to be the first thread I've been looking at today.

Hi Tom ! Hi Mike(s) !!  Give me some time to feel my way in again !

Welcome back, André. You've been greatly missed here.  :)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on April 28, 2014, 02:17:37 AM
New old member? Welcome back, though I am relatively new.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 28, 2014, 03:48:17 AM
Quote from: André on April 27, 2014, 01:52:07 PM
Hi Karl ! Where can I sample your latest opuses ? Any links ?

Cheers, André!

There are new works at my SoundCloud page (https://soundcloud.com/#karlhenning-1).

And at the 9th Ear's SoundCloud page (https://soundcloud.com/#9th-ear), as well.

And other new works, still on my YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/onlykarlhenning/videos).

Thank you for asking!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on April 28, 2014, 03:48:26 AM
Andre, Terrific news, welcome back....home.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 28, 2014, 04:27:55 AM
Quote from: André on April 26, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Hello ! Just re-registered  $:). I'm not quite reacquainted with GMG' s new lores and mores. This just happens to be the first thread I've been looking at today.

Hi André - welcome back & looking forward to your posting again!  Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 28, 2014, 04:51:32 AM
Gee, thanks guys. It feels nice to be back.  ;D .

Thanks for the update, Karl ! I will definitely delve into your new works !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on April 28, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
And to the chorus, adding another "welcome back, André!"  8)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 28, 2014, 12:00:57 PM
Boy, the emoticons up there seem so bland  ???. Can't tell you - CAN'T - how much your greetings touch me. Thank you so much!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 28, 2014, 12:02:35 PM
Delighted to have you back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 28, 2014, 03:29:42 PM
Yes, Andre' is back!  Check your personal messages!

Last week I was wondering what had happened to Andre', but now we know he was trekking back to us, no doubt having escaped Mounties gone bad, reruns of Mr. Dress-up, and other strange anomalies to the North!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on April 28, 2014, 05:56:29 PM
André is in the house!

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies%202/dj.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on April 28, 2014, 06:08:48 PM
The Andre is Back thread!

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 29, 2014, 03:19:46 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you and thank you!

:-*

Now, stop it !  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Tom 1960 on April 29, 2014, 05:59:03 PM
Quote from: André on April 26, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Hello ! Just re-registered  $:). I'm not quite reacquainted with GMG' s new lores and mores. This just happens to be the first thread I've been looking at today.

Hi Tom ! Hi Mike(s) !!  Give me some time to feel my way in again !
Welcome back, Andre!!! 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on April 30, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
I don't even know André and I'm super glad he's back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on April 30, 2014, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on April 30, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
I don't even know André and I'm super glad he's back!
Haha.

Speaking of missing members, I came across a member "Saul" in the composing/performing section one time and was intrigued. Too bad he's gone -- seems like an interesting person to have around here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on April 30, 2014, 05:57:01 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on April 30, 2014, 03:56:46 PM
Haha.

Speaking of missing members, I came across a member "Saul" in the composing/performing section one time and was intrigued. Too bad he's gone -- seems like an interesting person to have around here.

Saul was interesting in a Chinese proverb sort of way.

Speaking of missing members,  there's been a major absence of postings about 20th century composers in the last couple of weeks; the absence of John (Mirror Image) is deeply felt.  (There are reports he's been seen hanging around the prog rock/jazz threads in the Diner, obviously a vicious rumor.  >:D )
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on April 30, 2014, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 30, 2014, 05:57:01 PM
Saul was interesting in a Chinese proverb sort of way.

Speaking of missing members,  there's been a major absence of postings about 20th century composers in the last couple of weeks; the absence of John (Mirror Image) is deeply felt.  (There are reports he's been seen hanging around the prog rock/jazz threads in the Diner, obviously a vicious rumor.  >:D )
It seems John has forsaken classical for good. I saw this on craigslist:

FOR SALE Excellent collection of 20th century classical music, all discs in pristine condition, many unopened. Includes huge selection of avatars and ranked lists of composers. Shostakovich half off!

There was an address in Georgia.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on April 30, 2014, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: Ken B on April 30, 2014, 06:04:55 PM
It seems John has forsaken classical for good. I saw this on craigslist:

FOR SALE Excellent collection of 20th century classical music, all discs in pristine condition, many unopened. Includes huge selection of avatars and ranked lists of composers. Shostakovich half off!

There was an address in Georgia.

You'd better hurry down fast! I bet he'll pay you to get any Nyman off of his hands!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 30, 2014, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on April 30, 2014, 03:56:46 PM
Haha.

Speaking of missing members, I came across a member "Saul" in the composing/performing section one time and was intrigued. Too bad he's gone -- seems like an interesting person to have around here.

No, trust me. You don't want Saul around. You really don't.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on April 30, 2014, 07:23:07 PM
 :laugh:

I know, you're probably right. But, I like the eccentrics. Keeps things interesting...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 30, 2014, 07:23:57 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 30, 2014, 05:57:01 PMSpeaking of missing members,  there's been a major absence of postings about 20th century composers in the last couple of weeks; the absence of John (Mirror Image) is deeply felt.  (There are reports he's been seen hanging around the prog rock/jazz threads in the Diner, obviously a vicious rumor.  >:D )

Thanks, Jeffrey. Yeah, I've been taking a break from classical for awhile. I also have been splitting time between GMG and the Prog Archives forum. I don't know when I will return to classical, but I don't see it happening anytime soon sorry to say. I'm just so hooked into prog rock at the moment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 30, 2014, 07:25:03 PM
Quote from: Ken B on April 30, 2014, 06:04:55 PM
It seems John has forsaken classical for good. I saw this on craigslist:

FOR SALE Excellent collection of 20th century classical music, all discs in pristine condition, many unopened. Includes huge selection of avatars and ranked lists of composers. Shostakovich half off!

There was an address in Georgia.

:P Not quite, Ken! I still love classical music. Just taking a bit of a break. I have several other musical interests.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 30, 2014, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on April 30, 2014, 07:23:07 PM
:laugh:

I know, you're probably right. But, I like the eccentrics. Keeps things interesting...

Well, I'm certainly not keen on being called a failure and a nobody by someone who has failed to look into the mirror. I remember him being quite nasty to Karl as well. Saul really was a jerk.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 01, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Well, but I am indebted to Saul for rejecting my Op.102 as the worst viola sonata in the world. As amusing things said by people who absolutely don't get your work go, that ranks mighty high  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 01, 2014, 03:41:26 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 01, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Well, but I am indebted to Saul for rejecting my Op.102 as the worst viola sonata in the world. As amusing things said by people who absolutely don't get your work go, that ranks mighty high  8)

Saul's music shows the dangers of $9.95 Music courses entitled "Learn These Three Simple Chords and YOU Can Be a COMPOSER!!!"   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 01, 2014, 04:13:12 AM
And some days, you don't even need that third chord . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on May 01, 2014, 05:53:11 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 01, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Well, but I am indebted to Saul for rejecting my Op.102 as the worst viola sonata in the world. As amusing things said by people who absolutely don't get your work go, that ranks mighty high  8)
But surely you must laugh at such a comment, right? I've been working on a viola sonata (on and off) for the past two years (surely a contestant for Saul's title, seriously) and I'd personally find that hilarious.

Quote from: karlhenning on May 01, 2014, 04:13:12 AM
And some days, you don't even need that third chord . . . .
Too dissonant!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 01, 2014, 05:56:53 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on May 01, 2014, 05:53:11 AM
But surely you must laugh at such a comment, right?

Absolutely!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 01, 2014, 06:10:15 AM
Actually, such a comment from Saul is in fact the highest praise!   0:)

For those who do not know Saul Dzorelashvili:

https://www.radiorivendell.com/music/Saul+Dzorelashvili/ (https://www.radiorivendell.com/music/Saul+Dzorelashvili/)

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Saul's music can be described as Classical and Romantic and some of his music is Meditative and resembles Film music.
Aside from Composition, Saul is also a Fantasy digital Artist, and a Photographer.

"Film music" is pretty much all the same, so you now have a better idea of what "some" of his music sounds like!   ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 01, 2014, 06:13:05 AM
More in that humorous vein:

Quote from: Saul on August 10, 2010, 02:14:38 PM
Karl, what in the world was that? are you serious?
This was very tenacious, I wish it had some charm...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 01, 2014, 06:47:47 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 01, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Well, but I am indebted to Saul for rejecting my Op.102 as the worst viola sonata in the world. As amusing things said by people who absolutely don't get your work go, that ranks mighty high  8)

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 01, 2014, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 30, 2014, 07:20:37 PM
No, trust me. You don't want Saul around. You really don't.
At least that has the advantage of us knowing where he is lurking. The thought of him slinking around - somewhere - without anybody really knowing where is pretty scary.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on May 01, 2014, 08:46:33 AM
I once came across this before I joined this forum (searching for something Stravinsky-related on Google, I think). I just found it again. I love the first sentence -- made me laugh.
Quote from: Saul
Let me explain to you why Stravinsky is not a Great composer.

His and the other composers' mistake and miscalculation was based on the wrong assumption that their unique creativity and originality can't be produced if they wrote their music within the traditional Baroque and Classical forms and styles. They began to venture to completely adventurous harmonies and forms  thinking that this will boost their originality. Well there was no boost, what happen was that they created banal music which some people decided to call it 'art' and attach to it all their intellectual weight to support this almost delusional fantasy like 'consensus' much like the modernists of visual arts when they began throwing and spilling buckets of paint on empty canvases believing in their petty minds that this is 'art'. [...]
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 01, 2014, 09:12:14 AM
Aye, that's a funny one, too!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on May 01, 2014, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 01, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Well, but I am indebted to Saul for rejecting my Op.102 as the worst viola sonata in the world. As amusing things said by people who absolutely don't get your work go, that ranks mighty high  8)

A badge of honour!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 01, 2014, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on May 01, 2014, 08:46:33 AM
I once came across this before I joined this forum (searching for something Stravinsky-related on Google, I think). I just found it again. I love the first sentence -- made me laugh.

What's truly funny is his one-dimensional view of Igor, a composer of many dimensions, styles and forms.  Count me as happily 'deluded' - he's in my Top Ten of greatest classical composers. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 01, 2014, 09:35:05 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on May 01, 2014, 09:27:22 AM
What's truly funny is his one-dimensional view of Igor, a composer of many dimensions, styles and forms.  Count me as happily 'deluded' - he's in my Top Ten of greatest classical composers.

As I recall, Saul believed the highest heights of Music were reached by Mendelssohn.

"The rest is noise" after him, and anyone not following a Mendelssohnian path was dooooomed to be irrelevant!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 01, 2014, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 01, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Well, but I am indebted to Saul for rejecting my Op.102 as the worst viola sonata in the world. As amusing things said by people who absolutely don't get your work go, that ranks mighty high  8)
Meh. He just hasn't heard mine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on May 01, 2014, 12:25:00 PM
Saul......he could start a fight in an empty room, a menace.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 01, 2014, 02:48:01 PM
Quote from: Cato on May 01, 2014, 09:35:05 AM
As I recall, Saul believed the highest heights of Music were reached by Mendelssohn.

"The rest is noise" after him, and anyone not following a Mendelssohnian path was dooooomed to be irrelevant!
"Any composer who doesn't understand the need for Mendelssohnism is USELESS USELESS USELESS!"

Yeah, I don't understand why people admire tools like that.

>:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 01, 2014, 08:04:29 PM
Of my 3 favorite loony-tunes posters (Sean, "Josquin" and snyprrr), only one still posts here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 21, 2014, 04:33:05 AM
Quote from: Velimir on May 01, 2014, 08:04:29 PM
Of my 3 favorite loony-tunes posters (Sean, "Josquin" and snyprrr), only one still posts here.

I am not sure what happened to 'Josquin'.  I hope he is ok, since I believe he wasn't in the best of health, if I recall correctly.

Snyprrr is active and binge posting.  :D

Sean will be back, I'm sure.  He always returns!  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 21, 2014, 05:36:13 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 21, 2014, 04:33:05 AM
I am not sure what happened to 'Josquin'.  I hope he is ok, since I believe he wasn't in the best of health, if I recall correctly.

I hope that, too. IIRC, he had depression and concentration / memory problems. And certainly he was better than his reputation.

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Snyprrr is active and binge posting.  :D

I think he tries very hard to write at last his one intelligible post.  ;D

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Sean will be back, I'm sure.  He always returns!  ;D

He'll return in glory with a lengthy essay on the defaults of Western civilization and lots of pictures of some Asian nymphette.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 21, 2014, 05:50:25 AM
[ viz. "Josquin" ]

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2014, 05:36:13 AM
I hope that, too. IIRC, he had depression and concentration / memory problems. And certainly he was better than his reputation.

I take your point, but my impression is, too, that he earned the reputation ;)

[ viz. snypsss ]

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2014, 05:36:13 AM
I think he tries very hard to write at last his one intelligible post.  ;D

He does surprise one now and again . . . with quite reliable regularity, I think, if one reads about in the threads which he typically, erm, haunts . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 21, 2014, 06:13:30 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 21, 2014, 05:50:25 AM
[ viz. "Josquin" ]

I take your point, but my impression is, too, that he earned the reputation ;)

Don't we all?   :D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 21, 2014, 06:15:07 AM
And sometimes, in the worst way  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on May 21, 2014, 07:29:37 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 21, 2014, 04:33:05 AM
I am not sure what happened to 'Josquin'.  I hope he is ok, since I believe he wasn't in the best of health, if I recall correctly.
I saw his post on the Stockhausen thread -- something like "how convenient, he has a spaceship, why don't we put him and his music in his spaceship and send it to the sun". While I respect Stockhausen, that made me laugh.

Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2014, 05:36:13 AM
He'll return in glory with a lengthy essay on the defaults of Western civilization and lots of pictures of some Asian nymphette.  ;D
Oh my god, I came across this one day while I was searching for "Turangalila-Symphonie". Did anyone take the time to read all of the text he wrote? I couldn't bring myself to do it -- it was too odd (and extremely difficult to understand, for that matter).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on May 21, 2014, 03:01:46 PM
Has anyone heard from Madaboutmahler (Daniel)?  He seems to have done a Discobole and disappeared in the middle of the Brahms 2 comparison.
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22639.msg798430.html#msg798430

speaking of Discobole, any news about him?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 21, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on May 21, 2014, 03:01:46 PM
speaking of Discobole, any news about him?

It looks as if he left the French forum in anger.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on May 21, 2014, 03:27:43 PM
He did leave the french forum in anger (it was reciprocal), but continued here a little while longer. Now he seems to have disappeared altogether.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 21, 2014, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2014, 05:36:13 AM
[....] IIRC, he had depression and concentration / memory problems. And certainly he was better than his reputation.
[....]

Yes, no memory problems for you here.
JdP sometimes suffered from depressions in a way that he even couldn't enjoy listening to music anymore.
So, his sudden disappearance from GMG in april 2012 was a bit worrying indeed.
OTOH, he got more and more interested in music from the Far East, so maybe he just switched to other music boards to talk about his (new) passions.

Who knows.

Anyway, in the last 2 years, when some new members showed up saying 'nasty' things (I remember a member named The Raven or something), sometimes other GMG members suspected The Return of Evil JdP. I never believed that. As you said, I think he was better (whatever that means) than his reputation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 21, 2014, 05:41:10 PM
Well, when someone is an ass to you, repeatedly, perhaps the ass is actually better than his behavior;  but the crockery is still broken, even if the guy who broke it is better than his reputation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 21, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 21, 2014, 05:41:10 PM
Well, when someone is an ass to you, repeatedly, perhaps the ass is actually better than his behavior;  but the crockery is still broken, even if the guy who broke it is better than his reputation.
Wow. One crack about Mennin's Eigth and it's grudge-city!

;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 21, 2014, 05:56:29 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 21, 2014, 05:41:10 PM
Well, when someone is an ass to you, repeatedly, perhaps the ass is actually better than his behavior;  but the crockery is still broken, even if the guy who broke it is better than his reputation.

+1

Interesting how we all tend to miss the same people whom we reported over and over for having pathological character defects. I guess it's like long-term memory loss....  ::)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 21, 2014, 06:01:20 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 21, 2014, 05:41:10 PM
Well, when someone is an ass to you, repeatedly, perhaps the ass is actually better than his behavior;  but the crockery is still broken, even if the guy who broke it is better than his reputation.

+2


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on May 21, 2014, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 21, 2014, 05:41:10 PM
Well, when someone is an ass to you, repeatedly, perhaps the ass is actually better than his behavior;  but the crockery is still broken, even if the guy who broke it is better than his reputation.

As a psychologist I do understand that, of course. But in non-clinical settings, it does not mean I have to take it on the chin. The convenience of the ignore button solved that problem brilliantly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 21, 2014, 06:07:56 PM
Quote from: Florestan on May 21, 2014, 05:36:13 AM

(Sean) will return in glory with a lengthy essay on the defaults of Western civilization and lots of pictures of some Asian nymphette.  ;D

Assuming he is not in a Shanghai or Bangkok jail for such activities!  ;)

Quote from: EigenUser on May 21, 2014, 07:29:37 AM
Oh my god, I came across this one day while I was searching for "Turangalila-Symphonie". Did anyone take the time to read all of the text he wrote? I couldn't bring myself to do it -- it was too odd (and extremely difficult to understand, for that matter).

Classic Sean, the master of the triple-tongued somersault of illogical logic and circumcognition!  ;)  Be Happy that you could not understand it, because if you could, that fact would be evidence against you at the sanity hearing!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 21, 2014, 11:40:27 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 21, 2014, 05:56:29 PM
+1

Interesting how we all tend to miss the same people whom we reported over and over for having pathological character defects. I guess it's like long-term memory loss....  ::)

8)

I don't miss JdP.
But I do hope he's OK.

I don't miss M Forever, either.
But I do hope he's OK.

I do miss Opus106, though.
And Coopmv.

And I hope that Madaboutmahler hasn't gone mad and that he's OK .... and will return.

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 21, 2014, 11:48:16 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on May 21, 2014, 03:01:46 PM
Has anyone heard from Madaboutmahler (Daniel)?  He seems to have done a Discobole and disappeared in the middle of the Brahms 2 comparison.
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22639.msg798430.html#msg798430

speaking of Discobole, any news about him?
I've heard a little - he's been busy with his final exams, trying to get into OxBridge to study music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on May 21, 2014, 11:55:41 PM
Quote from: Marc on May 21, 2014, 11:40:27 PM
I don't miss JdP.
But I do hope he's OK.

I think JdP was in a very dark place at the time of his posts on GMG and needed psychiatric help. Hopefully he was able to find that and is now a calmer and more reasonable person.

Still though, it's strange how the people like that seem to get the most attention on here, negative or otherwise. It's like we need someone to hate (or have pity for)—it makes us feel better, we need Sean and the like around in order to feel like nicer, more enlightened people by comparison.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 21, 2014, 11:56:10 PM
Quote from: Marc on May 21, 2014, 11:40:27 PM

I do miss Opus106, though.
And Coopmv.

I also do miss Opus 106 .... and Clever Hans and JWinter.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on May 22, 2014, 12:04:59 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 21, 2014, 05:56:29 PM
+1

Interesting how we all tend to miss the same people whom we reported over and over for having pathological character defects. I guess it's like long-term memory loss....  ::)

8)

I suspect the enfants terribles are the more noticeable absentees, not necesarily the most missed. I for one won't miss our pseudo fascist "friend" JdP or one minute. I hope for his sake that one day he will find out that all that hate he cherishes and fosters is eating his humanity and moral and mental sanity.

M forever was quite another case - more of an socially  impossible personality than detestable as a person. I hope is doing well.

Every time I see the Mahler mania thread I do wonder if Greta will ever drop by again. I hope so! :) More female members would be nice anyway.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 22, 2014, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: Que on May 22, 2014, 12:04:59 AM
[....]
Every time I see the Mahler mania thread I do wonder if Greta will ever drop by again. I hope so! :) More female members would be nice anyway.

$:)

Naughty wishing by the groom.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2014, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 21, 2014, 05:56:29 PM
+1

Interesting how we all tend to miss the same people whom we reported over and over for having pathological character defects. I guess it's like long-term memory loss....  ::)

8)

Maybe it's a variant of The Stockholm Syndrome ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2014, 02:03:53 AM
Quote from: springrite on May 21, 2014, 06:02:05 PM
As a psychologist I do understand that, of course. But in non-clinical settings, it does not mean I have to take it on the chin. The convenience of the ignore button solved that problem brilliantly.

Wisdom.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2014, 02:05:57 AM
Quote from: Cato on May 21, 2014, 06:07:56 PM
Classic Sean, the master of the triple-tongued somersault of illogical logic and circumcognition!  ;)  Be Happy that you could not understand it, because if you could, that fact would be evidence against you at the sanity hearing!  0:)

If he had not been so incapable of humorous effect, he had reminded us of Dogberry.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 22, 2014, 04:25:25 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 22, 2014, 02:05:57 AM
If he had not been so incapable of humorous effect, he had reminded us of Dogberry.

Dogbert?

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2014, 04:38:29 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 22, 2014, 04:25:25 AM
Dogbert?

8)

Wicked!

Good morning, O Gurn!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 22, 2014, 05:14:18 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 22, 2014, 04:38:29 AM
Wicked!

Good morning, O Gurn!

Back at'cha, Dr. H.!  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 22, 2014, 06:34:44 AM
Re: Daniel (Madaboutmahler)

He's a very busy guy these days. Whether he's playing percussion in a school orchestra, conducting an orchestra that he assembled from a group of a friends, composing, scrambling to finish school work, etc., he's just been super busy. I can understand him not having time for the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: Que on May 22, 2014, 12:04:59 AM
our pseudo fascist "friend" JdP

He was not a fascist at all, not by a large stretch.

And this is going to be my last comment on JdP.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on May 22, 2014, 06:52:00 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 21, 2014, 04:33:05 AM
Snyprrr is active and binge posting.  :D
I never got the impression that snyprrr is a looney-tune poster. His posts make him seem more like he is always with a cup of espresso in one hand while typing. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2014, 06:58:34 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 06:41:41 AM
He was not a fascist at all, not by a large stretch.

And this is going to be my last comment on JdP.

I appreciate your role as The Loyal Opposition here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 07:08:24 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 22, 2014, 06:58:34 AM
I appreciate your role as The Loyal Opposition here.

Thank you, Sir!

My only loyalty is to my own conscience, and it tells me that "fascist" means nothing whatsoever, except "somebody one doesn't agree with"... For the left, I am a Fascist; for the right, I am a Socialist, or downright Communist --- I know it by my own experience. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on May 22, 2014, 07:11:10 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 06:41:41 AM
He was not a fascist at all, not by a large stretch.

Besides "fascist" has become a very vague word, as historically communists used it to refer their enemies in general.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 07:13:23 AM
Quote from: Gordo on May 22, 2014, 07:11:10 AM
Besides "fascist" has become a very vague word, as historically communists used it to refer their enemies in general.

Exactly. You as a Chilean are in a better position than others to judge.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on May 22, 2014, 07:22:31 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 07:13:23 AM
Exactly. You as a Chilean are in a better position than others to judge.  ;D

Absolutely!  ;D

Here Pinochet's supporters were called "fachos" from the Italian "fascio" (approximately same pronunciation in both languages). 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 07:35:19 AM
Quote from: Gordo on May 22, 2014, 07:22:31 AM
Absolutely!  ;D

Here Pinochet's supporters were called "fachos" from the Italian "fascio" (approximately same pronunciation in both languages).

Well, here is the Italian National Fascist Party program.

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

    Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all age 25 and up;
    Proportional representation on a regional basis;
    Voting for women (which was opposed by most other European nations);
    Representation at government level of newly created national councils by economic sector;
    The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the crown);
    The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.

In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

    The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
    A minimum wage;
    The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
    To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
    Reorganization of the railways and the transport sector;
    Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
    Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

    Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
    Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
    A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

    A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
    The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
    Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
    The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.


Let any leftist come to the front and say "I oppose it!"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on May 22, 2014, 07:48:14 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 07:35:19 AM
Let any leftist come to the front and say "I oppose it!"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes, these poor guys were misunderstood.  :P

This remember me some words by Chesterton:

QuoteThis is the arresting and dominant fact about modern social discussion; that the quarrel is not merely about the difficulties, but about the aim. We agree about the evil; it is about the good that we should tear each other's eyes out. We all admit that a lazy aristocracy is a bad thing. We should not by any means all admit that an active aristocracy would be a good thing. We all feel angry with an irreligious priesthood; but some of us would go mad with disgust at a really religious one. Everyone is indignant if our army is weak, including the people who would be even more indignant if it were strong. The social case is exactly the opposite of the medical case. We do not disagree, like doctors, about the precise nature of the illness, while agreeing about the nature of health. On the contrary, we all agree that England is unhealthy, but half of us would not look at her in what the other half would call blooming health. Public abuses are so prominent and pestilent that they sweep all generous people into a sort of fictitious unanimity. We forget that, while we agree about the abuses of things, we should differ very much about the uses of them. Mr. Cadbury and I would agree about the bad public house. It would be precisely in front of the good public-house that our painful personal fracas would occur.

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: Gordo on May 22, 2014, 07:48:14 AM
Yes, these poor guys were misunderstood.  :P

Oh, not at all.  ;D The Swedish Social-Democratic Party followed not the Italian Fascists, who never advocated eugenics, but the National-Socialist Party of the German Workers, which did!  ;D ;D ;D


Quote
Chesterton

A beacon of (Catholic) Fascism. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on May 22, 2014, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
A beacon of (Catholic) Fascism. ;D ;D ;D

:D

Yes, a beacon, but more a skeptic preacher, a sort of intellectual stand-up comedian. A preacher of the common sense.

Today, after a long process and almost against his status as a Catholic writer, I'm convinced he is the greatest essayist I have ever read and with Jorge Luis Borges and Franz Kafka, one my favorite writers from the XX Century.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
Certainly a favorite writer of mine :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 22, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on May 22, 2014, 06:52:00 AM
I never got the impression that snyprrr is a looney-tune poster. His posts make him seem more like he is always with a cup of espresso in one hand while typing. ;)

:D  Well, I challenge you to read back some of Snypp's post in recent years.  You may arrive at a different conclusion.   ;D

There have been days (or late nights) where you can see a string of 20 + consecutive posts in as many topics, and sometimes you think he's the only one on the forum, having a conversation with himself.   :laugh:

Nevertheless, I like the dude, especially because he is a 'chamber music nut' like me.  :)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 22, 2014, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 22, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
:D  Well, I challenge you to read back some of Snypp's post in recent years.  You may arrive at a different conclusion.   ;D

There have been days (or late nights) where you can see a string of 20 + consecutive posts in as many topics, and sometimes you think he's the only one on the forum, having a conversation with himself.   :laugh:

Nevertheless, I like the dude, especially because he is a 'chamber music nut' like me.  :)
Hear, hear!
BTW, did you watch the game, Ray?  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 22, 2014, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: North Star on May 22, 2014, 11:26:03 AM
Hear, hear!
BTW, did you watch the game, Ray?  8)

Which game, Karlo?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 22, 2014, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 22, 2014, 11:31:05 AM
Which game, Karlo?

Must have been the Rangers kicking the Habs butts. That must have hurt with those skates on. :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 22, 2014, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 22, 2014, 11:31:05 AM
Which game, Karlo?
Ice Hockey.. Canada - Finland in World Championship games in Minsk. Obviously they're not that big an attraction in an Olympic year, with many of the NHL stars absent.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Gordo on May 22, 2014, 09:40:31 AM
A preacher of the common sense.

Poor common sense! it was a fascist eastward of Iron Curtain, and a communist westward of it.  ;D

Aligning oneself with the left, as with the right, is only one of the numberless ways open to man of being an imbecile: both are forms of moral hemiplegia. --- Jose Ortega y Gasset

I am neither a rightist, nor a leftist --- I am a smart man. --- Henry de Montherlant


QuoteToday, after a long process and almost against his status as a Catholic writer, I'm convinced he is the greatest essayist I have ever read and with Jorge Luis Borges and Franz Kafka, one my favorite writers from the XX Century.

Why against? Is a Catholic barred ipso facto from knowing and expressing the truth? I won't deny this right even to a Lutheran like Kierkegaard, or to an atheist like Schopenhauer --- so much less to a Catholic like Chesterton...  ;D

Kafka --- yes, he is the one and only prophet of the brave new world we are living live in.  ;D ;D ;D

(quoted from memory)

"Such a law, I am not aware of!", said Josef.

"You see, my friend, he isn't even aware of the existing  laws, yet he pretends to be innocent!", said the police inspector to his colleague.


I ask you, my GMG fellows --- are you aware of all the laws enforceable in your country?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 22, 2014, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: North Star on May 22, 2014, 11:45:32 AM
Ice Hockey.. Canada - Finland in World Championship games in Minsk. Obviously they're not that big an attraction in an Olympic year, with many of the NHL stars absent.

No, I didn't watch it.  For whatever the reason, I usually don't follow the World Championships.   :-[
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 22, 2014, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 22, 2014, 12:38:37 PM
No, I didn't watch it.  For whatever the reason, I usually don't follow the World Championships.   :-[
Yeah, I gather they're not of much interest in North America. In any case, Finland won, dropping Canada from the semifinals   :laugh:
It's certainly not what I expected would happen, as Finland only barely made it into the top 8, losing to Latvia, Russia & USA, barely winning the Kazakhstan match 3-4, and winning Switzerland in the penalty shots.  ::)
It would be cool to win silver, making a straight flush together with the Olympic bronze & Jr. gold.  8)

I guess this isn't too OT yet, since quite a few hockey players miss at least some teeth..
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 22, 2014, 01:25:33 PM
Quote from: North Star on May 22, 2014, 01:11:55 PM
Yeah, I gather they're not of much interest in North America. In any case, Finland won, dropping Canada from the semifinals   :laugh:
It's certainly not what I expected would happen, as Finland only barely made it into the top 8, losing to Latvia, Russia & USA, barely winning the Kazakhstan match 3-4, and winning Switzerland in the penalty shots.  ::)
It would be cool to win silver, making a straight flush together with the Olympic bronze & Jr. gold.  8)

I guess this isn't too OT yet, since quite a few hockey players miss at least some teeth..

:D  Well, I wish Finland the best of luck on the silver.  I always cheer for Finland (except against Canada)  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 22, 2014, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 22, 2014, 01:25:33 PM
:D  Well, I wish Finland the best of luck on the silver.  I always cheer for Finland (except against Canada)  ;D
Cheers, here's hoping.. (I wouldn't be disappointed if they won gold, either, though  8)   not that I really care enough to could have been disappointed even if they hadn't made it to the top 8 )
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 22, 2014, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: North Star on May 22, 2014, 01:44:44 PM
Cheers, here's hoping.. (I wouldn't be disappointed if they won gold, either, though  8)   not that I really care enough to could have been disappointed even if they hadn't made it to the top 8 )

Oh, I misread!  If they still play for Gold, then go for the Gold!!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 22, 2014, 01:55:10 PM
Semifinals next, against Czechs, who beat the US. They ought to be able to win Czechs (who won Norway 1-0, won France 5-4 in OT lost to both Denmark & Sweden 4-3 in penalty shots, and lost to Canada 4-3). The other semifinal pair is Sweden & Russia. I sure hope Putin's team will end up without a medal..
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on May 22, 2014, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: Florestan on May 22, 2014, 12:36:27 PM
Why against? Is a Catholic barred ipso facto from knowing and expressing the truth? I won't deny this right even to a Lutheran like Kierkegaard, or to an atheist like Schopenhauer --- so much less to a Catholic like Chesterton...  ;D

This off-topic has gone a bit too far, so my apologies to the community.  :)

It's simple: I think secular affairs should be always discussed in non-religious terms.

A discussion about beliefs is always a failed discussion because, generally speaking, when you are in front of a true belief usually just one road is possible: respect. 

I mean only it's possible to debate about ideas, not about beliefs and all of religious "ideas" are truly beliefs, not authentic ideas.

As Ortega y Gasset said: while we have (own) ideas; we are (upon) our beliefs.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on May 22, 2014, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 22, 2014, 01:25:33 PM
:D  Well, I wish Finland the best of luck on the silver.  I always cheer for Finland (except against Canada)  ;D

Me, too. But it won't be the same without Teemu. When will they produce the next Teemu?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on May 22, 2014, 05:35:48 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on May 22, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
:D  Well, I challenge you to read back some of Snypp's post in recent years.  You may arrive at a different conclusion.   ;D

There have been days (or late nights) where you can see a string of 20 + consecutive posts in as many topics, and sometimes you think he's the only one on the forum, having a conversation with himself.   :laugh:

Nevertheless, I like the dude, especially because he is a 'chamber music nut' like me.  :)
I like him too. Anyone who describes the Luto cello concerto as "farty" and listens to it in his car (see Luto thread) has got to be a cool person!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on May 22, 2014, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: Marc on May 22, 2014, 12:09:05 AM
$:)

Naughty wishing by the groom.

Let's say I value the presence of the female touch.   0:)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 23, 2014, 02:11:28 AM
I am not missing!







(Just saying.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 23, 2014, 02:13:14 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 23, 2014, 02:11:28 AM
I am not missing!







(Just saying.)

I found Karl!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 23, 2014, 02:14:09 AM
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on May 23, 2014, 06:41:26 AM
Nearly 6 months since the last log-in by Elgarian.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 23, 2014, 06:50:22 AM
I should give him a jingle this weekend;  I am sure I have spoken with him within that apparently looong interval :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 23, 2014, 08:41:39 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 23, 2014, 02:13:14 AM
I found Karl!

Thank heavens!

Quote from: Brian on May 23, 2014, 06:41:26 AM
Nearly 6 months since the last log-in by Elgarian.

Quote from: karlhenning on May 23, 2014, 06:50:22 AM
I should give him a jingle this weekend;  I am sure I have spoken with him within that apparently looong interval :)

Yes, let's hope nothing is wrong!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 23, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Hoy, Cato!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 23, 2014, 09:45:25 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 23, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Hoy, Cato!

Ahoy, Cap'n!   ;)   8)

Ye ought t' be havin' a look-see in yer other mailbox!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 24, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
I noticed that "Kyjo" started the Favorite Bruckner Symphony topic.

He has not been around since before Christmas.  Anybody know why?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on May 24, 2014, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: Cato on May 24, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
I noticed that "Kyjo" started the Favorite Bruckner Symphony topic.

He has not been around since before Christmas.  Anybody know why?

Don't know, Cato.  I miss the guy, even though he poo-pood on Richard Strauss' music frequently.   :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 24, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: Cato on May 24, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
I noticed that "Kyjo" started the Favorite Bruckner Symphony topic.

He has not been around since before Christmas.  Anybody know why?

He couldn't take the heat. He had strong opinions that created strong counter-opinions. He left when he found a more congenial forum, one more in tune with his beliefs about music. I'm not happy he left. He created many interesting threads; introduced me to music I'd not known about.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 24, 2014, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 24, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
He couldn't take the heat. He had strong opinions that created strong counter-opinions. He left when he found a more congenial forum, one more in tune with his beliefs about music. I'm not happy he left. He created many interesting threads; introduced me to music I'd not known about.

Sarge

Like his thoughts or not he created discussion, which is key for a forum. We need more polls, bring him back! And if he's a Bruckner fan he should join the Bruckner 6 BC.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on May 24, 2014, 03:11:39 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 24, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
He couldn't take the heat. He had strong opinions that created strong counter-opinions. He left when he found a more congenial forum, one more in tune with his beliefs about music.

He's also disappeared from that forum though. I think his absence has more to do with being busy in real life, and he's likely to return eventually.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on May 25, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 24, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
He couldn't take the heat. He had strong opinions that created strong counter-opinions. He left when he found a more congenial forum, one more in tune with his beliefs about music. I'm not happy he left. He created many interesting threads; introduced me to music I'd not known about.

I had the distinct impression of someone who likes to talk and does not like to listen.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 26, 2014, 06:48:53 AM
Quote from: Pat B on May 25, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
I had the distinct impression of someone who likes to talk and does not like to listen.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 27, 2014, 06:30:01 AM
". . . it can't be helped, but there's a lot of it about . . . ."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on May 27, 2014, 09:41:45 AM
Quote from: Marc on May 21, 2014, 11:40:27 PM
I do miss Opus106, though.
And Coopmv.

Coopmv is probably listening to disc no. 253 from his extensive Vivaldi collection. Maybe someday he'll come back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on May 29, 2014, 03:48:34 AM
Where is Sara(h?).

Why would she have left? Busy with study / work? Annoyed? Ill?

Henk
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on May 29, 2014, 03:50:51 AM
Quote from: Marc on May 21, 2014, 11:40:27 PM
I don't miss JdP.
But I do hope he's OK.

I don't miss M Forever, either.
But I do hope he's OK.

I do miss Opus106, though.
And Coopmv.

And I hope that Madaboutmahler hasn't gone mad and that he's OK .... and will return.

:)

I don't miss Coopmv. I think Madaboutmahler is still present.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: 71 dB on May 29, 2014, 04:48:47 AM
Quote from: Brian on May 23, 2014, 06:41:26 AM
Nearly 6 months since the last log-in by Elgarian.

Yeah. I miss his superb Elgar posts. :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NorthNYMark on May 29, 2014, 08:27:52 PM
Quote from: Velimir on May 27, 2014, 09:41:45 AM
Coopmv is probably listening to disc no. 253 from his extensive Vivaldi collection. Maybe someday he'll come back.

He posts very regularly in the "Classical Corner" thread on the Steve Hoffman forum.  My guess is that he likes having just one single thread for all classical discussion.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 02, 2014, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: NorthNYMark on May 29, 2014, 08:27:52 PM
He posts very regularly in the "Classical Corner" thread on the Steve Hoffman forum.  My guess is that he likes having just one single thread for all classical discussion.

I went and checked that out, I had never heard of it before. One thread for all classical discussion is hard to like, for me anyway. Reminds me of the old days on rec.classical, if you took a nap you were ten pages behind!   ???

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 02, 2014, 11:33:55 AM
I went and checked that out, I had never heard of it before. One thread for all classical discussion is hard to like, for me anyway. Reminds me of the old days on rec.classical, if you took a nap you were ten pages behind!   ???

8)

Yes, I agree completely. I like how you at GMG are running different topics in an organized fashion. Besides, it obviously becomes a great resource over time. The drawback is if one is a compulsive buyer of music....   ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 02, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 12:50:51 PM
Yes, I agree completely. I like how you at GMG are running different topics in an organized fashion. Besides, it obviously becomes a great resource over time. The drawback is if one is a compulsive buyer of music....   ???

Thanks. Many of the originals here came from a forum called CMG, and there they are all in one thread too, or at least all of the threads are in one big room. If you post in an obscure thread, like Dave's Fux thread, then come back tomorrow to check replies, it might be already on the next page! So Rob broke it down into rooms, it has been like this since the beginning. Surprisingly a lot of people hated the concept and left because of it, but I think a lot of people stayed because of it too. We used to be anal about posting in 'the right room', but now, not so much. Close is good. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 02, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 12:50:51 PM
Yes, I agree completely. I like how you at GMG are running different topics in an organized fashion. Besides, it obviously becomes a great resource over time. The drawback is if one is a compulsive buyer of music....   ???
It's frickin' dangerous. I watch you and Bak and Ubu and it starts to seem normal that I can't see the other side of the room for discs and boxes. BTW, have you seen that new 100 Symphony box on Amazon yet .....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on June 02, 2014, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 12:50:51 PM
Yes, I agree completely. I like how you at GMG are running different topics in an organized fashion. Besides, it obviously becomes a great resource over time. The drawback is if one is a compulsive buyer of music....   ???
I'd say it's a rather great resource already. :)
Separating different topics is essential, both for following the discussions as they take place and for when one searches for information later. Rooms is another thing that is a huge benefit. Moderation is of course needed sometimes, but very little need for it here, especially these days. Perhaps the moderators should start moderating the big box purchases..  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2014, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 02, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
It's frickin' dangerous.

My collection exploded shortly after joining this forum...and my bank balance imploded...but hey, it's only money  ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 01:04:28 PM
Quote from: North Star on June 02, 2014, 12:59:56 PM
I'd say it's a rather great resource already. :)
Separating different topics is essential, both for following the discussions as they take place and for when one searches for information later. Rooms is another thing that is a huge benefit. Moderation is of course needed sometimes, but very little need for it here, especially these days. Perhaps the moderators should start moderating the big box purchases..  8)

Well, I did mean that it is a resource (yes, right now) and it will be even better ten years from now (just like a good wine)!

I think all posts from Finland should be moderated!   >:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2014, 01:01:58 PM
My collection exploded shortly after joining this forum...and my bank balance imploded...but hey, it's only money  ;)

Sarge

Yes. I am thinking about making no purchases this month!   *gulp*   >:( :( :( :( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 02, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
It's frickin' dangerous. I watch you and Bak and Ubu and it starts to seem normal that I can't see the other side of the room for discs and boxes. BTW, have you seen that new 100 Symphony box on Amazon yet .....

Hmm, yes, I am considering a new shelf to remove the piles from the floor. It is getting difficult to vacuum! And, yes, I have seen it but it somehow does not pull me in. Now, historical recordings is a very different matter (thanks for that timely trigger King Ubu!  ???). Maybe we should move to the cdcdcd thread?    $:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 02, 2014, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 01:05:27 PM
Yes. I am thinking about making no purchases this month!   *gulp*   >:( :( :( :( :'( :'( :'(
:'( I was hoping for Moonfish Proxy Month, where you buy things and I just enjoy it vicariously. All that lovely Graupner, all those bork-bork-borking Swedes ....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on June 02, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 01:04:28 PMWell, I did mean that it is a resource (yes, right now) and it will be even better ten years from now (just like a good wine)!
Sure.

QuoteI think all posts from Finland should be moderated!   >:D
At least when Elgar (or Wagner..) is mentioned unnecessarily.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 02, 2014, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: North Star on June 02, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Sure.
At least when Elgar is mentioned unnecessarily.  8)
You can always safely substitute "Brahms and water" for that.

>:D :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 02, 2014, 01:16:03 PM
You can always safely substitute "Brahms and water" for that.

>:D :laugh:

Is that with or without lemon?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on June 02, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 02, 2014, 01:10:16 PM
:'( I was hoping for Moonfish Proxy Month, where you buy things and I just enjoy it vicariously. All that lovely Graupner, all those bork-bork-borking Swedes ....

Now when I think about it you kind of remind me of Kermit....     ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 08, 2014, 05:18:42 AM
Okay, Cato is still big, bad, and (now) back in action...like a Shaft sequel! 

Assorted trips, traps, and even tropes have been endured, and I believe I will have some time to visit GMG again!

And so, I need to grumble over at Cato's Grammar Grumble right now!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 08, 2014, 05:21:10 AM
Huzzah for our Cato!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 08, 2014, 05:54:56 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 08, 2014, 05:21:10 AM
Huzzah for our Cato!

I have not been huzzahed for some time!  Feels good!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on July 08, 2014, 05:56:21 AM
Quote from: Cato on July 08, 2014, 05:54:56 AM
I have not been huzzahed for some time!  Feels good!   0:)

A Cato sighting!!  Welcome back, lad!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on July 08, 2014, 07:39:02 AM
MI?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on July 08, 2014, 08:32:12 AM
Quote from: Henk on July 08, 2014, 07:39:02 AM
MI?
In the Diner.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on July 08, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: Henk on July 08, 2014, 07:39:02 AM
MI?

... a name, I call myself?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on July 08, 2014, 07:30:20 PM
Quote from: North Star on July 08, 2014, 08:32:12 AM
In the Diner.

He did pop into the main listening thread to report an outbreak of Barber, so there's hope for him yet.  >:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 09, 2014, 04:43:18 AM
I once had an outbreak like that, but mild enough a case that I did not need to resort to antibiotics . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on July 09, 2014, 08:09:15 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 09, 2014, 04:43:18 AM
I once had an outbreak like that, but mild enough a case that I did not need to resort to antibiotics . . . .
Judging by your avatar the Barber was very mild indeed, Karl!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 09, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
On the phone with my brother earlier, he joked (on another topic entirely) with the noun razor.  "What's that?" I asked.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on July 09, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 09, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
On the phone with my brother earlier, he joked (on another topic entirely) with the noun razor.  "What's that?" I asked.
I have a beard too but shave part of my neck. My electric is dying, and is awkward with a beard anyhoo, so I bought a good quality safety razor last week.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on July 10, 2014, 06:16:25 AM
Quote from: Philo on July 08, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
You wish.

Wishing he left? No, I have always appreciated him. I want him to be back, but is he already really missing? Maybe he just takes a little pause?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on July 10, 2014, 06:50:22 AM
Quote from: Henk on July 10, 2014, 06:16:25 AM
Wishing he left? No, I have always appreciated him. I want him to be back, but is he already really missing? Maybe he just takes a little pause?

No Henk, John (MI) is still around.  He is in the diner (headphones and non-classical music threads)  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on July 10, 2014, 06:55:44 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on July 10, 2014, 06:50:22 AM
No Henk, John (MI) is still around.  He is in the diner (headphones and non-classical music threads)  :)

Yes, I noticed. Now only when he will join the "What are you listening thread" we can welcome him there also, because as another member wrote, has join turn his back towards classical music??
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on July 10, 2014, 07:13:09 AM
Quote from: Henk on July 10, 2014, 06:55:44 AM
Yes, I noticed. Now only when he will join the "What are you listening thread" we can welcome him there also, because as another member wrote, has join turn his back towards classical music??

Don't think he has turned his back on classical music, at least not permanently.  I hope.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on July 22, 2014, 10:25:39 AM
Anyone seen Knight? Can't remember his real name..
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 22, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Henk on July 22, 2014, 10:25:39 AM
Anyone seen Knight? Can't remember his real name..

Which of them? Gold Knight or Knight66?

Gold Knight has gone to greener pastures, he hasn't logged on since September last. Knight 66 and I had conversation just this morning.  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on July 22, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 22, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
Which of them? Gold Knight or Knight66?

Gold Knight has gone to greener pastures, he hasn't logged on since September last. Knight 66 and I had conversation just this morning.  :)

8)

Knight66, the moderator. I remember Gold Knight only slightly, would be nice to have him back as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on July 22, 2014, 11:03:58 AM
Maciej? Also a moderator.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 22, 2014, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Henk on July 22, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
Knight66, the moderator. I remember Gold Knight only slightly, would be nice to have him back as well.

Knight66 is always around, although he travels a lot. He's just quiet, not gone. :)

Quote from: Henk on July 22, 2014, 11:03:58 AM
Maciej? Also a moderator.

He took a graduate degree from university and is now planning on taking a degree in musicology. Splendid thng for him, but with young family, too busy to spend much time here now. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on July 22, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 22, 2014, 12:15:40 PM
Knight66 is always around, although he travels a lot. He's just quiet, not gone. :)

Maybe the parrot is just resting.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 22, 2014, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: Ken B on July 22, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
Maybe the parrot is just resting.

Odd bird, the Norwegian Blue...  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on July 25, 2014, 06:35:40 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 22, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
Gold Knight has gone to greener pastures, he hasn't logged on since September last.
8)

I miss Gold Knight and his listening posts (conducted under the baton of "insert composer name").   :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 01, 2014, 08:02:23 AM
sanantonio has gone missing.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on August 01, 2014, 08:59:18 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 01, 2014, 08:02:23 AM
sanantonio has gone missing.

Sarge

Been gone for a while.   He did go off for an extended period once before, so I assume this is a similar situation.
I do particularly miss his posts to the 20th/21st century threads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on August 01, 2014, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 01, 2014, 08:59:18 AM
Been gone for a while.   He did go off for an extended period once before, so I assume this is a similar situation.
I do particularly miss his posts to the 20th/21st century threads.
What a coincidence! I'm listening to Ohana's Cello Concerto "In Dark and Blue" right now, which I discovered thanks to a post by sanantonio.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mn dave on August 27, 2014, 10:40:23 AM
jwinter?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on August 27, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
Johnny Winter is no more.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mn dave on August 27, 2014, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: The new erato on August 27, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
Johnny Winter is no more.

You're a bit confused, old man.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on August 27, 2014, 10:48:44 AM
Fafner
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on August 27, 2014, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: Mn Dave on August 27, 2014, 10:45:40 AM
You're a bit confused, old man.  :D
Confusion is my middle name. :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on August 27, 2014, 12:21:45 PM
Quote from: The new erato on August 27, 2014, 10:49:48 AM
Confusion is my middle name. :-\
Huh? I thought "New" was your middle name?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on August 27, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Ken B on August 27, 2014, 12:21:45 PM
Huh? I thought "New" was your middle name?
You see? You are confused already.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on August 27, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
This thread sometimes reminds me of the Razor's Edge - when Piedmont is being remembered:   "He was a slob. Did you ever see him eat? Starving children could fill their bellies on the food that ended up on his beard and clothes. Dogs would gather to watch him eat. I never understood gluttony, but I hated it...I hated that about you. He enjoyed disgusting people—being disgusting—that thrill of offending people and making them uncomfortable. He was despicable. He will not be missed."  When, of course, he will be...sadly and deeply.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on August 30, 2014, 04:56:20 AM
Daniel (aka madaboutmahler) asked to tell he'll be visiting the forum shortly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on August 30, 2014, 05:56:05 AM
Quote from: North Star on August 30, 2014, 04:56:20 AM
Daniel (aka madaboutmahler) asked to tell he'll be visiting the forum shortly.

Thumbs up!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
I'm sure he still likes Mahler!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 30, 2014, 08:08:52 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on August 30, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
I'm sure he still likes Mahler!  8)

Likesmahleralot? Nah, doesn't have the edge that Madaboutmahler has.  8)

And it will be nice to have that extra Strauss enthusiasm into the forum!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on August 30, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on August 30, 2014, 07:55:27 AM
I'm sure he still likes Mahler!  8)
Indeed, and has heard nos. 2 (with Harding) and no. 9 (Runnicles) live in the Proms this year.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 30, 2014, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: North Star on August 30, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
Indeed, and has heard nos. 2 (with Harding) and no. 9 (Runnicles) live in the Proms this year.

Ooo, I would love to watch Runnicles conduct anything, the three times I've seen him have been electrifying concerts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 12, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
Octave
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on September 13, 2014, 01:04:35 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 12, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
Octave

Indeed.... :(

His absence occurred to me too a while ago. Hope he returns soon.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: edith1 on September 16, 2014, 07:18:19 AM
if you want to listen to the songs of Strauss's in my version will be a pleasure for me to show in this forum. My favorite performer Strauss is Jessy Norman,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a98uNYeRtj4
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on September 16, 2014, 10:46:34 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 12, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
Octave
A real, real pity.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on September 18, 2014, 01:19:57 PM
ZD7 has not checked in since 9/9.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on September 18, 2014, 04:52:34 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on September 18, 2014, 01:19:57 PM
ZD7 has not checked in since 9/9.
I noticed this earlier today, too. I like(d) him! (Hopefully the past tense isn't necessary and he'll come back.) Another Messiaen fan. And I still do need to try making those tofu burgers!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 18, 2014, 05:00:16 PM
Zauberdrachen7 is alive and not quite well. He has had a painful ear infection. He will return, he says hi.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on September 18, 2014, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: Ken B on September 18, 2014, 05:00:16 PM
Zauberdrachen7 is alive and not quite well. He has had a painful ear infection. He will return, he says hi.
Oh, that's a shame. Feel better! Ear infections are probably the most painful things I have ever experienced, at least as far as a minor illness is concerned.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on September 18, 2014, 06:04:11 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 18, 2014, 05:45:36 PM
Oh, that's a shame. Feel better! Ear infections are probably the most painful things I have ever experienced, at least as far as a minor illness is concerned.
And terribly inconvenient for musical purposes....hope he gets better quickly!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 18, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on September 18, 2014, 05:45:36 PM
Oh, that's a shame. Feel better! Ear infections are probably the most painful things I have ever experienced, at least as far as a minor illness is concerned.
Unpleasant. His exact words were "it all sounds like Stockhausen".
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on September 18, 2014, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: Ken B on September 18, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Unpleasant. His exact words were "it all sounds like Stockhausen".
A terrible fate indeed. I hope he gets well soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on September 19, 2014, 01:10:59 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 18, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Unpleasant. His exact words were "it all sounds like Stockhausen".
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 19, 2014, 03:56:05 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 18, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Unpleasant. His exact words were "it all sounds like Stockhausen".

And this is The Night Gallery.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: listener on September 19, 2014, 08:05:28 PM
"...Ear infections are probably the most painful things I have ever experienced, at least as far as a minor illness is concerned...
Unpleasant. His exact words were "it all sounds like Stockhausen".


Does the corollary hold?   (viz. Stockhausen sounds like an ear infection.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 19, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: listener on September 19, 2014, 08:05:28 PM
"...Ear infections are probably the most painful things I have ever experienced, at least as far as a minor illness is concerned...
Unpleasant. His exact words were "it all sounds like Stockhausen".


Does the corollary hold?   (viz. Stockhausen sounds like an ear infection.)
Stockhausen is an ear infection.

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 19, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: Ken B on September 19, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
Stockhausen is an ear infection.

:laugh:

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 21, 2014, 05:12:05 AM
Quote from: North Star on August 30, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
Indeed, and has heard nos. 2 (with Harding) and no. 9 (Runnicles) live in the Proms this year.

And Gewandhaus/Gilbert for 3!

I am back! Thank you all for the comments, glad to know I was missed ;)
My attendance here may be quite sporadic (life has never been this busy - music mixed with uni applications and so forth!) but I have missed the forum so intend to contribute when I can!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on September 21, 2014, 06:41:55 AM
It's wonderful to see you here again, Daniel! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 21, 2014, 06:44:57 AM
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 21, 2014, 05:12:05 AM
And Gewandhaus/Gilbert for 3!

I am back! Thank you all for the comments, glad to know I was missed ;)
My attendance here may be quite sporadic (life has never been this busy - music mixed with uni applications and so forth!) but I have missed the forum so intend to contribute when I can!

Ahoy! The prodigal son returns! 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 07:27:34 AM
Gentlemen, I've returned from the Isle of the Deaf (yes, it's the same place).  I've had ear infects before but nothing like this.  I admit it was frightening - tough to be John Wayne of the Ears.  Thought it was a cholesteatoma at first in one ear.  But thankfully not.  I learned lots - among which:  1.) Z-Pak  = Zero pack (for me, at least); 2.) my ENT told me that ears are - second only to the rectum - the most unclean part of the human body.  No, he wasn't referring to mine, but everyone's generally. (Blame Stockhausen, almost everyone does); 3.) Living w/o music is very hard and very sad  :( ; and 4.) I missed you guys - thanks  :-* for the sense of community here.   
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 21, 2014, 07:38:07 AM
Two of the missing return! It's a good day in forum land  8)


Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on September 21, 2014, 07:56:08 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 21, 2014, 07:38:07 AM
Two of the missing return! It's a good day in forum land  8)


Sarge
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on September 21, 2014, 07:57:47 AM
Welcome back Daniel and Zauber!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 21, 2014, 08:53:06 AM
Thanks all! :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 21, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 07:27:34 AM
Gentlemen, I've returned from the Isle of the Deaf (yes, it's the same place).  I've had ear infects before but nothing like this.  I admit it was frightening - tough to be John Wayne of the Ears.  Thought it was a cholesteatoma at first in one ear.  But thankfully not.  I learned lots - among which:  1.) Z-Pak  = Zero pack (for me, at least); 2.) my ENT told me that ears are - second only to the rectum - the most unclean part of the human body.  No, he wasn't referring to mine, but everyone's generally. (Blame Stockhausen, almost everyone does); 3.) Living w/o music is very hard and very sad  :( ; and 4.) I missed you guys - thanks  :-* for the sense of community here.

Welcome back, Zauber! Good to hear your enjoying music once again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 07:27:34 AM
Gentlemen, I've returned from the Isle of the Deaf (yes, it's the same place).  I've had ear infects before but nothing like this.  I admit it was frightening - tough to be John Wayne of the Ears.  Thought it was a cholesteatoma at first in one ear.  But thankfully not.  I learned lots - among which:  1.) Z-Pak  = Zero pack (for me, at least); 2.) my ENT told me that ears are - second only to the rectum - the most unclean part of the human body.  No, he wasn't referring to mine, but everyone's generally. (Blame Stockhausen, almost everyone does); 3.) Living w/o music is very hard and very sad  :( ; and 4.) I missed you guys - thanks  :-* for the sense of community here.

Ouch! I am not sure if I could handle not being able to listen to music. Glad things got resolved for you Zauberdrachen! Are you celebrating with a listening marathon?  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 21, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 07:27:34 AM
Gentlemen, I've returned from the Isle of the Deaf (yes, it's the same place).  I've had ear infects before but nothing like this.  I admit it was frightening - tough to be John Wayne of the Ears.  Thought it was a cholesteatoma at first in one ear.  But thankfully not.  I learned lots - among which:  1.) Z-Pak  = Zero pack (for me, at least); 2.) my ENT told me that ears are - second only to the rectum - the most unclean part of the human body.  No, he wasn't referring to mine, but everyone's generally. (Blame Stockhausen, almost everyone does); 3.) Living w/o music is very hard and very sad  :( ; and 4.) I missed you guys - thanks  :-* for the sense of community here.

DUDE!  I can sympathize!

Since early August I have had an off-and-on tinnitus in the left ear, a low bass  (and LOUD) Bb !  Antibiotics chased it away for a while, but it returned!  Stronger antibiotics chased it away a second time, but it returned.  Finally, a ten-day regimen of Prednisone (a steroid) seems to have worked. 

Yes, one fears a permanent condition: some people have a debilitating tinnitus for years and years: very depressing!   My hearing in the left ear was considerably weakened by the volume of the tinnitus (pronounced tin'-ni-toos in Latin, incorrectly pronounced ti-NITE-iss by our unenlightened types).  I recall being in the hallway and not understanding much of anything spoken loudly by several people.

Right now, everything is great!

We need more magic dragons here!   8)  So stay with us!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 10:49:38 AM
Ouch! I am not sure if I could handle not being able to listen to music. Glad things got resolved for you Zauberdrachen! Are you celebrating with a listening marathon?  :D

Yes, thanks, it's been non-stop listening since I've improved.  Craved certain things :  Saint-Saëns' 3rd VC, Berlioz's Nuits among 'em and curiously an old Zombies song "Whenever You're Ready" (always liked their harmonies).  Have to go for a hearing test next week but think I'm ok. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: Cato on September 21, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
DUDE!  I can sympathize!

Right now, everything is great!

We need more magic dragons here!   8)  So stay with us!

Thanks, Cato, sure hope it stays that way!!  Best to see a specialist - ENT - if it reappears; it pays to id the cause, if possible (sinus trouble, eardrum configuration, too forceful nose-blowing can force fluids up against it, etc) yes, I hit the books!  Hearing's too precious a gift to take for granted.  Don't forget ear protection when mowing, using the blender, power tools, and always good to take a decongestant before boarding planes if you've had in-flight agonies.  The latter have cost me more hearing than anything else.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 21, 2014, 11:51:01 AM
Welcome back party!!

I can relate to your story about ears being the second-most unclean part of my body. For the first 19 years of life, I (and my parents, initially) cleaned them the worst way you can, Q-Tips, which just pushes stuff back farther into the ear. There was eventually so much gunk that one night with a "whumf" noise my left ear became completely deaf. Hearing returned in it an hour or so later, but I went to the clinic and got a professional cleaning. It's one of those things nobody really thinks about.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 12:43:38 PM
Quote from: Brian on September 21, 2014, 11:51:01 AM
Welcome back party!!

I can relate to your story about ears being the second-most unclean part of my body. For the first 19 years of life, I (and my parents, initially) cleaned them the worst way you can, Q-Tips, which just pushes stuff back farther into the ear. There was eventually so much gunk that one night with a "whumf" noise my left ear became completely deaf. Hearing returned in it an hour or so later, but I went to the clinic and got a professional cleaning. It's one of those things nobody really thinks about.

Hm, I wonder about the state of human ears during the middle ages.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 12:43:38 PM
Hm, I wonder about the state of human ears during the middle ages.....

What?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 05:05:13 PM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
What?

Brian got a professional cleaning. I wonder how people took care of these issues in the past...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 05:05:13 PM
Brian got a professional cleaning. I wonder how people took care of these issues in the past...

Sorry, that was supposed to be funny!! 

Q-tips = bad, when used for jousting in the ear canal.  Ears are supposed to be self-cleaning, but people differ in their production of earwax which, though designed to be anti-bacterial, anti-insect and vital lubricant, can be the source of trouble in itself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 05:41:03 PM
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(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-GMAfxQMIVyA/TspZ8RnEZWI/AAAAAAAAAUc/2Hij7IHo5h4/s1600/cats_hear-color.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 21, 2014, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on September 21, 2014, 05:41:03 PM
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(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-GMAfxQMIVyA/TspZ8RnEZWI/AAAAAAAAAUc/2Hij7IHo5h4/s1600/cats_hear-color.gif)

:D  Larson also did a dog version of that cartoon.  In it 'Ginger' is being scolded by its master, but the dog at least hears its name :  "Ginger...blah,blah, blah, Ginger, blah, blah..."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 22, 2014, 05:46:17 AM
Welcome back to health Zauber !  :-*  I can empathize. I have always had a lower level of hearing from the right ear -esp. noticeable when switching the telephone from one ear to another. But never have I feared becoming really impaired. Must be quite frightening.  :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 22, 2014, 05:58:40 AM
Quote from: André on September 22, 2014, 05:46:17 AM
Welcome back to health Zauber !  :-*  I can empathize. I have always had a lower level of hearing from the right ear -esp. noticeable when switching the telephone from one ear to another. But never have I feared becoming really impaired. Must be quite frightening.  :o

Thanks, André - I admit to being scared.  Had 'em before but these hurt the worst and my first rounds of antibiotics did not touch 'em.  The time o' year for them was peculiar as well and a first.  We should prob. have an ear care thread on GMG. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 22, 2014, 06:03:57 AM
Good to have you back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 22, 2014, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 22, 2014, 06:03:57 AM
Good to have you back!

Thanks, Karl, happy to be!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 22, 2014, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on September 22, 2014, 08:24:12 AM
Thanks, Karl, happy to be!
That's three lost lambs returned:Mad, Z, Mirror Image.

>:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 22, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: Ken B on September 22, 2014, 08:54:19 AM
That's three lost lambs returned:Mad, Z, Mirror Image.

>:D

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 22, 2014, 07:03:16 PM
I just realized a member that I enjoyed talking with is missing and apparently has been missing for quite some time: Fafner.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on December 03, 2014, 05:00:30 PM
Baklavaboy.

I see his avatar in use but I got a pm

Ken, I am being held hostage. Send honey, walnuts, and philo pastry.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on December 04, 2014, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: Ken B on December 03, 2014, 05:00:30 PM
Baklavaboy.

I see his avatar in use but I got a pm

Ken, I am being held hostage. Send honey, walnuts, and philo pastry.
He's been talking about dieting recently, so I figured that he just changed his name to something else.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on December 05, 2014, 08:14:31 AM
Hmm, whatever happened to Octave? I haven't seen him post for a long time...    :(

(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=34518;type=avatar)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jay F on December 05, 2014, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Cato on September 21, 2014, 11:02:10 AMYes, one fears a permanent condition: some people have a debilitating tinnitus for years and years: very depressing!   My hearing in the left ear was considerably weakened by the volume of the tinnitus (pronounced tin'-ni-toos in Latin, incorrectly pronounced ti-NITE-iss by our unenlightened types).  I recall being in the hallway and not understanding much of anything spoken loudly by several people.

I've had it since December 1998. It's high-pitched and hissy, and is exacerbated by eating white food. Nothing turns up the volume like eating rice. Pasta and anything made with flour and sugar are almost as bad, but seem like less obvious triggers the longer I have tinnitus. I usually pronounce it with the unenlightened emphasis on the second syllable. Saying it the Latin way sounds prissy, and I try to avoid sibilants when I can.

I miss hearing things people are saying. I keep closed captioning going on my TV at all times. I have a friend who mutters, perhaps passive-aggressively, and I wish I could turn his CC on.

As far as music goes, I'm much happier when the speakers are close to my head now instead of the typical speakers-across-the-room positioning. I've bought a couple of wireless speaker sets from Bowers & Wilkins, and they have made such a difference. I don't know whether I just like listening to audio files (not MP3s) more than CDs, or if it's just that the music has never been this close to my head before (other than on headphones, which will never be more than a compromise for me), but I have not enjoyed listening to music this much in many years.

I hope your TIN-nih-tuus is not making you crazy, Cato.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 28, 2014, 06:50:27 AM
I haven't seen Monkey Greg on here in awhile. I hope he's okay. He might be on vacation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on December 28, 2014, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 28, 2014, 06:50:27 AM
I haven't seen Monkey Greg on here in awhile. I hope he's okay. He might be on vacation.
I know. And he's the one mostly responsible for my Bruckner phase right now! I don't know how long it would have taken me to hear the 6th if it wasn't for his praise of the work.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on December 28, 2014, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on December 28, 2014, 05:54:01 PM
I know. And he's the one mostly responsible for my Bruckner phase right now! I don't know how long it would have taken me to hear the 6th if it wasn't for his praise of the work.

I agree with you Eigenuser! Greig certainly made me (us) pay more attention to Bruckner's 6th and it has been a great experience!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 05, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 28, 2014, 06:50:27 AM
I haven't seen Monkey Greg on here in awhile. I hope he's okay. He might be on vacation.
Just checked his Twitter, he posted something there on New Year's Eve. Hasn't been active here since Dec. 17. Probably having some holiday-themed family time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 05, 2015, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: Brian on January 05, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Just checked his Twitter, he posted something there on New Year's Eve. Hasn't been active here since Dec. 17. Probably having some holiday-themed family time.

It's quite possible. I hope he returns soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 05, 2015, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 05, 2015, 08:30:42 PM
It's quite possible. I hope he returns soon.

For Bruckner's 7th....  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 05, 2015, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 05, 2015, 09:15:45 PM
For Bruckner's 7th....  :D

Yes, and also for his contributions to the Elgar thread. (like you, me, 71 dB, Elgarian, and several others here --- he's a huge fan)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cosi bel do on January 16, 2015, 02:20:06 AM
I suppose it is better if I explain why I will now leave the forum and, contrary to previous times, not be back in the future.

In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks performed last week, a few minutes from my home, on a journal I read and journalists and cartoonists I deeply admire, I had adopted this cover as an avatar :

(http://www.contrepoints.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Charlie-Hebdo-aux-chiottes-toutes-les-religions-Credit-Mona-Eberhardt-Creative-Commons.jpg)

Cabu, its author, had responded to the ridiculous "Piss Christ" exhibited in Avignon with an interesting and provocative proposal, that was reflecting a whole section of the journal on the theme of blasphemy, and how blasphemy cannot be forbidden in a true democracy, and even has to be encouraged.
This was a wretched but honest homage to Cabu, and the other murdered cartoonists (Charb, Wolinski, Tignous, Honoré) and journalists (among which the economist Bernard Maris), to their friends, and to other victims of fundamentalists last week, who had specifically targeted journalists, policemen and women, and jews. I intended to keep it a few days, at least after all of them were buried, all the homages were finished, and after the phase of collective mourning would have ended, probably too early anyway. I have explained that to the moderators, and refrained from posting on other topics that the one opened for CHarlie Hebdo, so that this image wouldn't be off topic (even if I don't think everyone has a musical avatar anyway).

At least one person on the forum decided that this image was unacceptable, offensive, and that it should be taken down. Of course, several persons had already turned the homage to Charlie into a debate in which they were simply, and not very cleverly, turning the whole thing into a war against all muslims and all the rest of humanity (when it seems, after his declarations yesterday, even the pope is much more closer from the terrorists in his arguments than from Charlie Hebdo, when he defends the right to "throw a fist in the face of someone who would insult my mother", one of the most frequent "parables" of islamists). One of them even adopted as an avatar the T-shirt inspired by a quote made by Jean-Marie Le Pen after the attacks, when he said "Je suis Charlie Martel", in reference to Charles Martel, the Frank king who, because he had defeated the Umeyyad califate in Poitiers (and despite these Umeyyad attacks were looting expeditions, and not aimed at conquest) became a distorted symbol of a millenial "clash of civilizations", for xenophobic movements in France. In this context, saying "Je suis Charlie Martel" is an incitation to declare war on all muslims and arabs in France, it has been immediately publicized as just this by the youth neonazi movement "Génération identitaire", and it is one of their shirts that was used as an avatar by Florestan. I asked uite gently for this image to be removed, as it is an incitation on racial hatred and violence, which are not legal activities and not protecting by the concept of free speech (just as djihadist appeals to join war against Western countries are also illegal and heavily punished). Jean-Marie Le Pen has been condemned multiple times for this kind of declarations (and for denying the existence of the Holocaust).

I did not come here for a couple days in order for the moderators to treat this issue calmly. The result is that both avatars have been suppressed as equivalently offensive and because they took "politics outside of the restricted area of the Diner" according to Que (when I have, as I already said, avoided other sections in order to avoid that).
Therefore, at the same time:
a) both images are deemed unacceptable because politically too engaged, when mine is a simple homage made to victims of religious bigotry and terrorist violence;
b) both images are suppressed only as "off-topic", when one is not more than "blasphemy" (and therefore legal in the country where my messages are posted, and where they are hosted, which is all that counts), and the other a call to xenophobic violence (and therefore illegal in the countries where Florestan writes and where the board is hosted).

I therefore leave because:
a) I can't accept to stay here when the official line is to consider blasphemy as an equivalent to xenophobic violence, because it is exactly the argument behind the killings, and it is exactly the reason why so many people have switched from "Je suis Charlie" last week to "wait, stop that now, you were supposed to be dead" in the past couple of days.
b) In addition, of course, freedom of speech doesn't apply here (we are on a forum, privately owned and managed) and there is an editorial line. This case simply proves that this editorial line is very lenient on far-right ideas, up to the point of hesitating in the censoring of hate speech and other illegal discourses against racial or religious categories, and jumping on blasphemy when it concerns Catholicism (at the same time, the recent cover aimed at Islam only was posted on the Charlie thread without any hesitation).

I thank all members who have engaged in musical discussions with me, and those who have suggested that I should remain calm and ignore the few morons here. I don't consider anyone a moron, I sufficiently respect every single person here to consider that the expression of an opinion, even a racist and violent one, should be considered as nothing else than what he truly believes in (and, therefore, considered as dangerous and legally condemned as such). And that the equivalency proposed by moderators between "blasphemy against other religions than muslim" and "incitation to violent actions against all muslims and arabs" is the result of a very coherent, deeply debated and truly shared editorial line here.
My interest in music, and my wish to kill a few hours discussing it online, is not so strong that I would renounce to a few personal basic principles, and endorse what this forum endorses as its editorial line. It is with great joy that I realized this is not at all where I belong, and leave your company.

Discobolus.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 03:12:07 AM
Without delving to deep into this I have seen some of the tendencies you mention, and am concerned by them. The image you post here completely covers my own position.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 03:23:19 AM
Quote from: Discobolus on January 16, 2015, 02:20:06 AM
Cabu, its author, had responded to the ridiculous "Piss Christ" exhibited in Avignon with an interesting and provocative proposal, that was reflecting a whole section of the journal on the theme of blasphemy, and how blasphemy cannot be forbidden in a true democracy, and even has to be encouraged.

"Cannot be forbidden," agreed.

Okay:  Why, exactly, "has to be encouraged"?

And I agree:  Piss Christ was perfectly ridiculous.  My objection is no matter of blasphemy, but of appallingly poor taste.  IOW, an artistic and not a religious objection.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 16, 2015, 03:34:17 AM
Not that it matters anymore for him, but...

Discobolus is wrong. In Romania it is not illegal to wear a T-shirt stating "Je suis Charlie Martel"; it is not illegal to think, say and print that Charles Martel, or rather Karl Martell, did indeed save Western Europe from islamization (which is not even a matter of legal vs illegal, but of historical facts, geographical data and logic); it is not illegal to discuss Islam and to point out that it is not islamophobia that paints it as the harshest, bloodiest, most violent and intolerant religion on Earth, but the Quran, the Sirat and the Hadith themselves; much to his chagrin, it is not even illegal to quote Jean Marie Le Pen.

What is indeed illegal is slander, such as calling someone racist and xenophobic and implying he supports and promotes indiscriminate violence against muslims and arabs, without offering the slightest proof for such allegations.

As for abruptly leaving an environment just because some people happen not to agree with one's own views, it's up to anyone's maturity and sense of proportions to take or not to take the step. As far as I'm concerned, j'y suis, j'y reste.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 03:38:12 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 16, 2015, 03:34:17 AM
Not that it matters anymore for him, but...

Discobolus is wrong.

Indeed.  He doesn't get how reacting to the violence of some extremists, by characterizing all religions' sacred texts as toilet tissue, is bigotry.  Or, like many, he feels that bigotry is a very, very bad thing — unless the object of your bigotry is people of faith.  Then bigotry becomes a virtue, nay — a social imperative!  "Blasphemy has to be encouraged."  Rubbish.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 16, 2015, 03:48:07 AM
History seems remarkable in its ability to repeat itself, albeit in slightly different shapes (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,20101.0.html).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 16, 2015, 04:29:00 AM
There's a reason why I don't partake in political discussions here: they don't lead to anything fulfilling. Music is my one true love in this life, so in joining this forum, I came here to discuss music and only music. I will reply in threads like Greg's Failed Experiment thread because I like reading about other people's love lives and the encouragement I get from other members, but, alas, I'm here for the music. I have no interest in political or religious discussions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 04:32:23 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 16, 2015, 04:29:00 AM
[...] I have no interest in political or religious discussions.

Very sensible!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 04:35:13 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 16, 2015, 04:29:00 AM
There's a reason why I don't partake in political discussions here: they don't lead to anything fulfilling. Music is my one true love in this life, so in joining this forum, I came here to discuss music and only music. I will reply in threads like Greg's Failed Experiment thread because I like reading about other people's love lives and the encouragement I get from other members, but, alas, I'm here for the music. I have no interest in political or religious discussions.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 04:47:31 AM
I think it is ridiculous that discussions in the diner lead to that contributing members leave GMG. Discobolus contributed greatly (in a very short time frame) to numerous threads in this forum. I am certain that most of us were interested in what went on in the "Haydn Symphonies" thread and the one discussing the Mozart piano sonatas in which Discobolus made very strong contributions. The upcoming thread on listening to versions of Mozart's Fantasia is now not likely to occur.  These threads were enriching and enjoyable giving all of us a chance to gain further insight and understanding of classical music.  Florestan's self-satisfied gloating over Discobolus' departure is not exactly a flattering ending to the "Je suis Charlie" issue here at GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on January 16, 2015, 05:05:41 AM
I do not think Florestan was gloating....
The Hebdo cover was offensive to me, and it troubles me that Discobolus can not see why using it as his avatar was itself needlessly offensive.

My current avatar, btw, is one of the four men martyred last Friday in Paris..

http://972mag.com/yoav-hattab-son-of-chief-rabbi-of-tunis-died-a-hero-and-tunisian-patriot/101249/
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 05:16:49 AM
I find the Charlie Martell avatar far more offensive than Discobolus avatarm, for what it's worth. I think this site anyway has much to loose by such posturing . I strongly support MIs view, and would prefer such discussions to be kept away from this site.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 05:18:19 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 16, 2015, 03:38:12 AM
Indeed.  He doesn't get how reacting to the violence of some extremists, by characterizing all religions' sacred texts as toilet tissue, is bigotry.  Or, like many, he feels that bigotry is a very, very bad thing — unless the object of your bigotry is people of faith.  Then bigotry becomes a virtue, nay — a social imperative!  "Blasphemy has to be encouraged."  Rubbish.

I agree, except for the last bit as I explain in point 4 below, and want to add a few random observations.

1. It was not Florestan who first objected to an avatar, nor was it Florestan who demanded an avatar be removed. That was Discobolus in both cases.

2. In no way is the T shirt an incitement to anything. Even if, and I do not grant this, it were an expression of xenophobia or bigotry that would still not make it an incitement. Not even close.

3. I support Discobolus's right to blaspheme and partly approve of his having done so (I will explain why in a moment). I do though think it sad that rather than defying the terrorists and bullies by attacking only their symbols he decided to treat exactly the same way those religions which can be safely mocked already, and whose adherents do not kill you for mocking. It's a false equivalence that misses the point. Nonetheless I would not have demanded he change his avatar.

4 As for when blasphemy is a good thing. When it is a gesture of defiance and the assertion of freedom against violent attacks.  I think that when a right is under attack it must be defended and prohibitions defied.  The de facto prohibition here is on depictions of Mohammed. So that is the blaphemous act which answers the terrorists. Charlie Hebdo did that on its latest cover. Discobolus did not do that. Posting a caricature of Jews when the terrorists killed Jews is not really what is called for.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 05:22:17 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 05:18:19 AM
I agree, except for the last bit as I explain in point 4 below, and want to add a few random observations.

1. It was not Florestan who first objected to an avatar, nor was it Florestan who demanded an avatar be removed. That was Discobolus in both cases.

2. In no way is the T shirt an incitement to anything. Even if, and I do not grant this, it were an expression of xenophobia or bigotry that would still not make it an incitement. Not even close.

3. I support Discobolus's right to blaspheme and partly approve of his having done so (I will explain why in a moment). I do though think it sad that rather than defying the terrorists and bullies by attacking only their symbols he decided to treat exactly the same way those religions which can be safely mocked already, and whose adherents do not kill you for mocking. It's a false equivalence that misses the point. Nonetheless I would not have demanded he change his avatar.

4 As for when blasphemy is a good thing. When it is a gesture of defiance and the assertion of freedom against violent attacks.  I think that when a right is under attack it must be defended and prohibitions defied.  The de facto prohibition here is on depictions of Mohammed. So that is the blaphemous act which answers the terrorists. Charlie Hebdo did that on its latest cover. Discobolus did not do that. Posting a caricature of Jews when the terrorists killed Jews is not really what is called for.


Excellent points, thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 16, 2015, 05:28:08 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 16, 2015, 04:29:00 AM
There's a reason why I don't partake in political discussions here: they don't lead to anything fulfilling. Music is my one true love in this life, so in joining this forum, I came here to discuss music and only music. I will reply in threads like Greg's Failed Experiment thread because I like reading about other people's love lives and the encouragement I get from other members, but, alas, I'm here for the music. I have no interest in political or religious discussions.
My view exactly. I have no problem in giving a political view of mine, but I'm not going to argue it. I figure that if someone already has a differing opinion (regardless of how 'incorrect' I might find it), I'm not going to change their mind. Even if I did, it isn't like they'd ever admit it.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

A classic xkcd cartoon, and something I try and avoid. Of course, if they are wrong about music, well, that's a different story...

:D :laugh: ;)

BTW, I'll miss the photoshopped Boulez avatar...

Also, what happened to Monkey Greg?!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 05:34:18 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 16, 2015, 05:28:08 AM
I have no problem in giving a political view of mine, but I'm not going to argue it.
Me too, and I've already given my opinion. Letting the terrorists make this a less useful and enjoyable site by quarrelling about it, will only give them one more (albeit exremely minor) victory. Everybody would be well advised to consider that. Nuff' said.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 16, 2015, 05:34:58 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 16, 2015, 05:28:08 AM
My view exactly. I have no problem in giving a political view of mine, but I'm not going to argue it. I figure that if someone already has a differing opinion (regardless of how 'incorrect' I might find it), I'm not going to change their mind. Even if I did, it isn't like they'd ever admit it.

A classic xkcd cartoon, and something I try and avoid. Of course, if they are wrong about music, well, that's a different story...

:D :laugh: ;)

BTW, I'll miss the photoshopped Boulez avatar...

Also, what happened to Monkey Greg?!
Agreed with everything. Oh, and if someone is wrong about photography!  :P

Perhaps Greg is still on holiday?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 05:40:14 AM
Quote from: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 05:16:49 AM
I find the Charlie Martell avatar far more offensive than Discobolus avatarm, for what it's worth. I think this site anyway has much to loose by such posturing . I strongly support MIs view, and would prefer such discussions to be kept away from this site.

I would like nothing better than to delete every political and religious thread which anyone starts. Shall we get a mandate for that?

Our philosophy here, quite unlike how it was recently portrayed, is to let discussion happen. I can't imagine I am the only one here who sees the irony in having an advocate for free speech demand that anyone who doesn't agree with him should be censored? Am I? 

In any case, anyone here is free to come and go as they choose. It is completely irrational to suggest that an inanimate establishment, that is, a forum, maintains a political stance. The variety of beliefs of the people here is staggering, and no one of them holds sway. I look at attempts to gain advantage by challenging the system as being corrupt are nothing more than bullying, and it won't be tolerated.

This discussion doesn't need to continue in this thread, which has a purpose of its own.

Gurn
8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 05:42:44 AM
Quote from: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 05:16:49 AM
I find the Charlie Martell avatar far more offensive than Discobolus avatarm, for what it's worth. I think this site anyway has much to loose by such posturing . I strongly support MIs view, and would prefer such discussions to be kept away from this site.

I agree with your Erato!  I am simply sad that we now have lost Discobolus' voice in the music forum.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 05:45:43 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 16, 2015, 05:28:08 AM
My view exactly. I have no problem in giving a political view of mine, but I'm not going to argue it. I figure that if someone already has a differing opinion (regardless of how 'incorrect' I might find it), I'm not going to change their mind. Even if I did, it isn't like they'd ever admit it.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

A classic xkcd cartoon, and something I try and avoid. Of course, if they are wrong about music, well, that's a different story...

:D :laugh: ;)

BTW, I'll miss the photoshopped Boulez avatar...

Also, what happened to Monkey Greg?!

Great cartoon Eigenuser! Unfortunately, one that comes close to the truth......
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 16, 2015, 05:50:31 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 16, 2015, 05:28:08 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

There is something perfect about this cartoon. It somehow releases the anger one has when acting this way. Thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 05:50:36 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 05:40:14 AM
I would like nothing better than to delete every political and religious thread which anyone starts. Shall we get a mandate for that?


I vote No. I especially vote No in the wake of Discobolus's petulant and intellectually bankrupt attacks on another member, because it will be hard to see this as anything else but endorsing them. Further I think the remaining posters here are mature enough to keep even heated disagreements from escalating to bogus charges of racism or incitement to violence.

Besides no political or religious argument can be half as odious to me as praise of La Mer  >:D :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 05:52:35 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 05:50:36 AM
Besides no political or religious argument can be half as odious to me as praise of La Mer  >:D :laugh: :laugh:

I strongly disagree, but I stand by your right to opine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 05:53:54 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 05:50:36 AM
I vote No. I especially vote No in the wake of Discobolus's petulant and intellectually bankrupt attacks on another member, because it will be hard to see this as anything else but endorsing them. Further I think the remaining posters here are mature enough to keep even heated disagreements from escalating to bogus charges of racism or incitement to violence.

Besides no political or religious argument can be half as odious to me as praise of La Mer  >:D :laugh: :laugh:

Why is it that people don't go nuts in the music discussions (apart from Ken of course), while the diner creates firestorms of stupidity?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 05:55:11 AM
Maybe the idea is that firestorms of stupidity are perhaps unavoidable on the InterTubes, so let's at least contain them in the Diner . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on January 16, 2015, 05:59:34 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 16, 2015, 05:52:35 AM
I strongly disagree, but I stand by your right to opine.

I stand by his right to opine but not your right to strongly disagree...  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2015, 05:59:56 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 05:53:54 AM
Why is it that people don't go nuts in the music discussions (apart from Ken of course), while the diner creates fire storms of stupidity?

Once upon a time people here did go nuts discussing music (M forever was usually at the center of the storms). His first banishment caused a mass exodus. We lost many valuable members.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 06:01:47 AM
Quote from: springrite on January 16, 2015, 05:59:34 AM
I stand by his right to opine but not your right to strongly disagree...  :P

I shall disagree, even if you do not stand by me!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on January 16, 2015, 06:03:01 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2015, 05:59:56 AM
Once upon a time people here did go nuts discussing music (M forever was usually at the center of the storms). His first banishment caused a mass exodus. We lost many valuable members.

Sarge

Correct. And his presence also caused a mass exodus and some of whom returned upon his banishment. I hold no opinion on this and have no figure to show which number is bigger. But there is no doubt that those who left after M's banishment are some of our more valuable members.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 16, 2015, 06:04:35 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2015, 05:59:56 AM
Once upon a time people here did go nuts discussing music (M forever was usually at the center of the storms). His first banishment caused a mass exodus. We lost many valuable members.

Sarge
Did that loss have a negative effect, then?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 06:05:11 AM
Sometimes, even on the Internet, there is no absolutely good option.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2015, 06:05:30 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 05:50:36 AM
Further I think the remaining posters here are mature enough to keep even heated disagreements from escalating to bogus charges of racism or incitement to violence.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 06:07:19 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2015, 05:59:56 AM
Once upon a time people here did go nuts discussing music (M forever was usually at the center of the storms). His first banishment caused a mass exodus. We lost many valuable members.

Sarge

But he was not banned for his opinions on music. He was banned because of his absolutely deplorable abuse of people who didn't agree with him, or who weren't as knowledgeable as him. His 3 year grace period came to an end with no sign of any sort of rehabilitation.

Lest we forget and go on a Poor M crusade...  0:)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:07:33 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 16, 2015, 05:55:11 AM
Maybe the idea is that firestorms of stupidity are perhaps unavoidable on the InterTubes, so let's at least contain them in the Diner . . . .

You have a point there Karl! Still, I think it stinks that such volatile threads lead to the departure of members that actually contribute to the music discussions elsewhere in the forum. Isn't that the purpose of the forum?  Some members literally "live" in the GMG diner happily trolling away. Like MI I tend to read these posts rather than engage as I prefer to not become the stick figure in Eigenuser's cartoon. After all, arguments about religion and politics will never change anybody's views about anything. It just becomes an endless argument. I pity the moderators. We should all pool some money and buy them some chocolates.....   ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on January 16, 2015, 06:09:30 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:07:33 AM
We should all pool some money and buy them some chocolates.....   ::)

I'd go for alcohol
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:11:48 AM
Quote from: springrite on January 16, 2015, 06:09:30 AM
I'd go for alcohol

We will get a discount if we buy in bulk....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2015, 06:14:42 AM
If we would restrict the forum now to only music discussion, this would be a thorough wrong attenuation..

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 06:15:06 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:11:48 AM
We will get a discount if we buy in bulk....

(http://www.lvmh.com/uploads/assets/Fiches-societes/Visuels-gauche/2008Glenmorangie2.jpg)

Not bulk, please!   >:D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 16, 2015, 06:17:08 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 06:15:06 AMNot bulk, please!   >:D

8)
Dammit, I was about order a case of Glenmorangie for you guys. Thank goodness you managed to persuade me to not do so.  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 16, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
Quote from: North Star on January 16, 2015, 06:17:08 AM
Dammit, I was about order a case of Glenmorangie for you guys. Thank goodness you managed to persuade me to not do so.  ::)
You still bought it though, right?! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 16, 2015, 06:20:28 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on January 16, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
You still bought it though, right?! :)
You mean, for myself? No. . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 06:21:41 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:11:48 AM
We will get a discount if we buy in bulk....
I already buy in bulk.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:25:24 AM
Quote from: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 06:21:41 AM
I already buy in bulk.

:D :D

Your basement?

(http://media.tumblr.com/851a6ece68058634b082b163a6d139b7/tumblr_inline_msuhy6BTNY1rf20z5.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 06:27:47 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 06:15:06 AM
(http://www.lvmh.com/uploads/assets/Fiches-societes/Visuels-gauche/2008Glenmorangie2.jpg)

Not bulk, please!   >:D

8)

I've much enjoyed the La Santa . . . you would recommend the original, then?  (Not that I should be at all surprised, at its worthiness, I mean.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2015, 06:28:53 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 06:07:19 AM
But he was not banned for his opinions on music. He was banned because of his absolutely deplorable abuse of people who didn't agree with him, or who weren't as knowledgeable as him. His 3 year grace period came to an end with no sign of any sort of rehabilitation.

Lest we forget and go on a Poor M crusade...  0:)

8)

Good heavens, no...that's not what I meant at all. I know he wasn't banned for his musical opinions. I was happy to see him go. What saddened me was seeing who voluntarily left with him.

Quote from: North Star on January 16, 2015, 06:04:35 AM
Did that loss have a negative effect, then?

In terms of musical dialogue, I think it did...but I still prefer the forum's current pleasant atmosphere to the dread I sometimes used to experience here. I no longer fear clicking on a thread...unless, of course, Florestan is active in it  ;D ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 06:30:55 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:25:24 AM
:D :D

Your basement?

(http://media.tumblr.com/851a6ece68058634b082b163a6d139b7/tumblr_inline_msuhy6BTNY1rf20z5.jpg)
I wish. 900 bottles though.....and while CDs can be unplayed, bottles must be drunk. CDCDCD obsession in the wine department takes its toll.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 06:32:17 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2015, 06:28:53 AM

In terms of musical dialogue, I think it did...but I still prefer the forum's current pleasant atmosphere to the dread I sometimes used to experience here. I no longer fear clicking on a thread...unless, of course, Florestan is active in it  ;D ;)

Sarge
I share the sentiment, smileys and all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on January 16, 2015, 06:32:59 AM
Though this discussion is gigantic in range, I'd like to say just some things:

1.- The avatar of Discobolus is, as a matter of fact, offensive to many people, not just on this board, but in the real world. Therefore, the moderators have decided in a wise way banning it.

2.- What is acceptable as a "joke" (essentially ephemeral) isn't always acceptable as an avatar and permanent declaration of principles. 

3.- The output of the members of "Charlie Hebdo" (meanly murdered in Paris) hasn't been automatically sacralized because of their tragic and absurdly unjustified homicides. 

4.- The Charlie Martel avatar is, as a matter of fact too, offensive, but I think it was precisely the point of Andrei. Nobody here doubts that it has been rightly banned.

5.- I will be totally unfair and subjective here, but while I was reading the last message by Discobolus, I couldn't avoid to perceive his own satisfaction and "pride" because of being a martyr in the cause of free speech.

I'm not saying that he is acting as a "drama queen", but...

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 06:37:00 AM
Quote from: Gordo on January 16, 2015, 06:32:59 AM

4.- The Charlie Martel avatar... Nobody here doubts that it has been rightly banned.

I do.  :blank:

Quote
5.-  Discobolus,... I'm not saying that he is acting as a "drama queen", but...

I do.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 06:40:24 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2015, 06:28:53 AM
Good heavens, no...that's not what I meant at all. I know he wasn't banned for his musical opinions. I was happy to see him go. What saddened me was seeing who voluntarily left with him.

In terms of musical dialogue, I think it did...but I still prefer the forum's current pleasant atmosphere to the dread I sometimes used to experience here. I no longer fear clicking on a thread...unless, of course, Florestan is active in it  ;D ;)

Sarge

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:42:38 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 06:37:00 AM
I do.  :blank:

I do.  :D

Are you feeling a kinship, Ken?   ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 06:45:06 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 06:42:38 AM
Are you feeling a kinship, Ken?   ;)

It's a flashback: reliving two great errors of my past ...


:laugh: 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on January 16, 2015, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 06:45:06 AM
It's a flashback: reliving two great errors of my past ...


:laugh: 8)

You get to relive them faster when you do them two at a time.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on January 16, 2015, 07:26:39 AM
RIP Disco Man.  I have often wondered if the range of opinion here - as well as in the world at large - is reflective of nature creating fertile variety for the perpetuation of the species.  If we could but learn to harvest the positives in multiple perspectives - or at least take them as a given - and not reap the toxic negatives (often our modus operandi) we might well forestall humanity's end.  The saddest part, for me, is realizing that Discobolus's deliberate and self-conscious exiting is more or less symbolic aggression.  Or more specifically, an "I'll show you!" form of symbolic suicide ("You're gonna miss me by my walk; You're gonna miss me by my talk; You're gonna miss me when I'm gone...") Not healthy and not conducive to the survival of the species...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on January 16, 2015, 07:28:53 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on January 16, 2015, 07:26:39 AM
("You're gonna miss me by my walk; You're gonna miss me by my talk; You're gonna miss me when I'm gone...")

...and you will be talking about me for ages!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on January 16, 2015, 07:26:39 AM
The saddest part, for me, is realizing that Discobolus's deliberate and self-conscious exiting is more or less symbolic aggression. 
(my bold)
Well put. I would have sympathy for him had Que simply zapped his avatar out of the blue. But Discobolus had already demanded that an avatar he disliked be zapped. Then he complained when his own avatar, which had been cited by others as obnoxious, was zapped. That to me counts as hypocrisy not martyrdom.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 07:34:26 AM

Quote from: springrite on January 16, 2015, 07:28:53 AM
...and you will be talking about me for ages!

http://www.youtube.com/v/0HND8ywYcC0
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on January 16, 2015, 07:36:00 AM
That one episode aside, I do hope he comes back though. I was against having the diner when the idea was first put up for discussion and this is the reason why.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 07:38:54 AM
Quote from: springrite on January 16, 2015, 07:36:00 AM
That one episode aside, I do hope he comes back though. I was against having the diner when the idea was first put up for discussion and this is the reason why.

Having read some of the old threads, I'd prefer to have Josquin back. Just sayin'!

(I know he pissed off a lot of folks but his comments on art and music were interesting, and had more merit than many credit.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 07:50:07 AM
Quote from: springrite on January 16, 2015, 07:36:00 AM
That one episode aside, I do hope he comes back though. I was against having the diner when the idea was first put up for discussion and this is the reason why.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 07:38:54 AM
Having read some of the old threads, I'd prefer to have Josquin back. Just sayin'!

(I know he pissed off a lot of folks but his comments on art and music were interesting, and had more merit than many credit.)

Of course, reading the old threads doesn't give you the full flavor, since much of the crappy stuff was deleted. Same with M and some others who are gone. What you see, even if it is objectionable, is only the tip of the original iceberg...  $:)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: springrite on January 16, 2015, 07:36:00 AM
That one episode aside, I do hope he comes back though. I was against having the diner when the idea was first put up for discussion and this is the reason why.
+2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
Of course, reading the old threads doesn't give you the full flavor, since much of the crappy stuff was deleted. Same with M and some others who are gone. What you see, even if it is objectionable, is only the tip of the original iceberg...  $:)

8)

??? ??? ???
:o :o :o

??? ???

There was even more praise for La Mer in the past???

>:D :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 08:01:27 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
??? ??? ???
:o :o :o

??? ???

There was even more praise for La Mer in the past???

>:D :laugh:

Of course! It has been around for almost 4 billion years!!   ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 16, 2015, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 07:38:54 AM
Having read some of the old threads, I'd prefer to have Josquin back. Just sayin'!

Hmmm...something tells me you might have gotten your wish already.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping Sean will come back. He was a narcissistic spectacle to behold, but this place is poorer without him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 16, 2015, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 16, 2015, 08:11:52 AM
Hmmm...something tells me you might have gotten your wish already.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping Sean will come back. He was a narcissistic spectacle to behold, but this place is poorer without him.
Or, at least the world were a better place for others when we were able to keep an eye on his activities.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 16, 2015, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
??? ??? ???
:o :o :o

??? ???

There was even more praise for La Mer in the past???

>:D :laugh:

Well, there was Pinky... :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2015, 08:29:55 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on January 16, 2015, 08:11:52 AM
Hmmm...something tells me you might have gotten your wish already.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping Sean will come back. He was a narcissistic spectacle to behold, but this place is poorer without him.

+1 He liked and had interesting comments about Rossini operas. That's a big +.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2015, 08:33:16 AM
Why can members be against the Diner? It's such an enrichtment of these boards. Without it, this would be a dull place really.

Many good things in the Diner. Discussing non-classical music. Art. Photography. Books. Many interesting and fun topics.

And the classical music discussion really doesn't suffer from it..
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on January 16, 2015, 08:36:06 AM
Has anyone heard from Chamber Nut?  I know he logs on here regularly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on January 16, 2015, 08:39:02 AM
Oh, no - Discobolus left ....again. :o

I wonder, if he ever will find a forum, where he likes to participate.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on January 16, 2015, 08:41:32 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 07:33:06 AM
(my bold)
Well put. I would have sympathy for him had Que simply zapped his avatar out of the blue. But Discobolus had already demanded that an avatar he disliked be zapped. Then he complained when his own avatar, which had been cited by others as obnoxious, was zapped. That to me counts as hypocrisy not martyrdom.

To me, Discobolus was indeed a drama queen and a bit of a control freak.  People come, people go - it's all fine.  Honestly, I can't recall any time when a person's departure had any negative impact on the board.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 16, 2015, 08:36:06 AM
Has anyone heard from Chamber Nut?  I know he logs on here regularly.

I found his Brahms avatar offensive.


;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2015, 08:45:43 AM
Maybe when wiser he will return. People on forums often behave stubborn and provocative, more in real life probably. Excitement, fear of losing reputation and so. I don't rule out that he is sad, and he doesn't show this. However, I never followed his activity that much to say fruitful things about it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 08:49:05 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
I found his Brahms avatar offensive.


;)

Was it the beard?

Go Brahms (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C9lfgGPgthg/TcLd-PxnapI/AAAAAAAAAA4/PmQP05DBM7g/s1600/symphonies.jpg)!! 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 16, 2015, 08:59:48 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 16, 2015, 05:53:54 AM
Why is it that people don't go nuts in the music discussions (apart from Ken of course), while the diner creates firestorms of stupidity?

In all my years here as member and mod, one of the worst firestorms was on a Haydn thread, it made my hair stand on end.

Sad to lose a valuable member, but it was his own choice. Although I attempted it, ultimately is is not my function here to reconcile two very polarised posters. I am not interested in saying anything negative about someone who is no longer around to defend himself, he will be welcome to return any time he feels like it.

Mike (Knight)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 16, 2015, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: knight66 on January 16, 2015, 08:59:48 AM
I am not interested in saying anything negative about someone who is no longer around to defend himself
Mike (Knight)
Thank you. I hope others will take your lead...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on January 16, 2015, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: knight66 on January 16, 2015, 08:59:48 AM
I am not interested in saying anything negative about someone who is no longer around to defend himself, he will be welcome to return any time he feels like it.

Mike (Knight)

Just want to say that I agree with Mike's comment above, Gurn's assessment of the situation, and Que's original action - all very reasonable under the circumstances. And just a reminder: though any of us can - and does - take action independently on an issue, we discuss these things extensively as a team, and we each bring different skills and viewpoints. (I only wish we had a female moderator for yet another point of view.)

Personally, I also usually decline to discuss religion or politics here, mostly because: I'm here to read about classical music and opinions on recordings, concerts, and other issues related to the field. There are plenty of boards elsewhere to discuss other things.

Anyway, carry on.  8)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on January 16, 2015, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: Discobolus on January 16, 2015, 02:20:06 AM
I suppose it is better if I explain why I will now leave the forum and, contrary to previous times, not be back in the future.

Although not unexpected, this is a pity and I hope you'll rejoin us some time in the future.  :)

QuoteI did not come here for a couple days in order for the moderators to treat this issue calmly. The result is that both avatars have been suppressed as equivalently offensive and because they took "politics outside of the restricted area of the Diner" according to Que (when I have, as I already said, avoided other sections in order to avoid that).
Therefore, at the same time:
a) both images are deemed unacceptable because politically too engaged, when mine is a simple homage made to victims of religious bigotry and terrorist violence;
b) both images are suppressed only as "off-topic", when one is not more than "blasphemy" (and therefore legal in the country where my messages are posted, and where they are hosted, which is all that counts), and the other a call to xenophobic violence (and therefore illegal in the countries where Florestan writes and where the board is hosted).

I therefore leave because:
a) I can't accept to stay here when the official line is to consider blasphemy as an equivalent to xenophobic violence, because it is exactly the argument behind the killings, and it is exactly the reason why so many people have switched from "Je suis Charlie" last week to "wait, stop that now, you were supposed to be dead" in the past couple of days.
b) In addition, of course, freedom of speech doesn't apply here (we are on a forum, privately owned and managed) and there is an editorial line. This case simply proves that this editorial line is very lenient on far-right ideas, up to the point of hesitating in the censoring of hate speech and other illegal discourses against racial or religious categories, and jumping on blasphemy when it concerns Catholicism (at the same time, the recent cover aimed at Islam only was posted on the Charlie thread without any hesitation).

[...]

And that the equivalency proposed by moderators between "blasphemy against other religions than muslim" and "incitation to violent actions against all muslims and arabs" is the result of a very coherent, deeply debated and truly shared editorial line here.
My interest in music, and my wish to kill a few hours discussing it online, is not so strong that I would renounce to a few personal basic principles, and endorse what this forum endorses as its editorial line. It is with great joy that I realized this is not at all where I belong, and leave your company.

Discobolus.

I am surprised that you can't accept that both avatars were considered equivalent only in the way they were both center point of a undesirable clash between two members and took a political feud outside of the Diner. We did not take sides and did not take a position on the respective political/ideological motives behind using the avatars or the obviously different points of view on the desirable relation between blasphemy and free speech. Objectively, both images were offensive to some degree - leaving aside any comparative qualification or appraisal. But frankly that was not a primary concern (yet). Our primary duty is to keep the peace around here, not to arbitrate in political disputes.

QuoteThis case simply proves that this editorial line is very lenient on far-right ideas, up to the point of hesitating in the censoring of hate speech and other illegal discourses against racial or religious categories, and jumping on blasphemy when it concerns Catholicism

"very lenient on far-right ideas"... Well, well, as it happens another poster accused us of a left-wing bias in this matter - taking your side. What do you know?  ::)  :D   So it goes... :laugh:
As far as hate-speech is concerned - we have intervened plenty of times in the past against that.
Hate speech against muslims and anti-semitism was actually kind of a speciality of the mentioned Josquin - one of the two members ever banned on my watch so far.
But unfortunately (or rather: fortunately) you were not around at that time...

Best, Que
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on January 16, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
Well said and wisely moderated. A pity so much of your time and energy is asked to deal with members who cannot accept elementary rules of human conduct.  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 16, 2015, 01:11:29 PM
Folks, thank you very much for the support, it is appreciated. I look forward to the bulk chocolates and whisky.

It is often the case that I am taking the part of someone with whom I fundamentally disagree, we all do this and there are many assumptions made of what our leanings are. As has been suggested, we are often accused of bias by both sides of an argument. (Rolls eyes.)

Those reading the leaving statement closely may be amused that one reason for leaving was due to the posting of this week's front cover by the magazine. However, D had specifically asked me to post It. My counter suggestion was, that as he had said he would change his avatar, he change it to that cover as a gesture of  reconciliation. Without being aware of that exchange Gurn then posted it......but, water under the bridge. On with the motley.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 16, 2015, 01:17:13 PM
I am not saying I would have moderated the way our moderators did, but I detect neither bias nor unfairness in what they did. They were impartial. To argue, as at least two posters here did, that impartiality in moderation is a fault is to seriously misunderstand the moderator's proper role. I am glad none of our actual moderators fell into that error.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 16, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
Fall into the whiskey, and trip over the chocolate, just possibly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 16, 2015, 01:55:27 PM
One word posts is the worst thread. It takes away too much attention. Monkey Greg left the house with not a great heritage.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 17, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
One last thing from me on the issue.

I had private communication with three moderators and I did not detect the slightest bias in any of them, nor did I object in any way when one of them erased both avatars.

Just to be clear: I did not want this conflict, I did not start it and I am not glad at its outcome.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 17, 2015, 07:10:27 AM
Greg is settling into a new job, pops in a-lurking from time to time, and looks forward to coming back in more participatory wise.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 17, 2015, 07:16:28 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 17, 2015, 07:10:27 AM
Greg is settling into a new job, pops in a-lurking from time to time, and looks forward to coming back in more participatory wise.

Thanks for the info, Karl.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 17, 2015, 07:20:08 AM
Cheers, Sarge!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 17, 2015, 07:27:54 AM
I just skimmed through this topic, and was concerned about "Monkey Greg's" absence!  Good news indeed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 17, 2015, 07:18:19 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 17, 2015, 07:10:27 AM
Greg is settling into a new job, pops in a-lurking from time to time, and looks forward to coming back in more participatory wise.

That's good to hear, Karl. I miss my sock monkey friend. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 17, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
We should all listen to Bruckner 6 in honor of his imminent return to GMG!!   :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 17, 2015, 07:41:55 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 17, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
We should all listen to Bruckner 6 in honor of his imminent return to GMG!!   :P

Or Elgar or R. Strauss or Britten or....Greg likes so many composers. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 18, 2015, 02:23:35 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 17, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
We should all listen to Bruckner 6 in honor of his imminent return to GMG!!   :P
If I temporarily left, would you all listen to Ligeti? :laugh: :P ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 18, 2015, 03:08:11 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 18, 2015, 02:23:35 AM
If I temporarily left, would you all listen to Ligeti? :laugh: :P ;)
I would temporarlily think about it. That's the best I can do! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on January 18, 2015, 12:07:04 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 16, 2015, 07:34:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/0HND8ywYcC0

Oh my!
I could never forget about Molly Ringwald, that's for sure.

Pity that the Disco Man left, though.
I was part of that Charlie et al discussion, getting a bit (?) too emotional :-[, but ... I'm only human, born to make mistakes.

As Charlie says: tout est pardonné.

But I still miss Navneeth (Opus 106).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on January 18, 2015, 02:06:42 PM
Quote from: Marc on January 18, 2015, 12:07:04 PM
Oh my!
I could never forget about Molly Ringwald, that's for sure.

Pity that the Disco Man left, though.
I was part of that Charlie et al discussion, getting a bit (?) too emotional :-[, but ... I'm only human, born to make mistakes.

As Charlie says: tout est pardonné.

But I still miss Navneeth (Opus 106).

She released a jazz album in 2013
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WC5e6D3VL.jpg).

Navneeth pops up from time at Symphonyshare.  So I presume he is doing well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on January 19, 2015, 12:27:49 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 18, 2015, 02:06:42 PM
She released a jazz album in 2013
(http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/38280/0c24fc382795633.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/0c24fc382795633).

Navneeth pops up from time at Symphonyshare.  So I presume he is doing well.

He's still around then. That's good news! :)

I.c. unforgettable Molly:

(http://111.imagebam.com/download/u6rTciVS9j9WUCPZ_FyPsQ/38280/382791772/mr-g1.gif)

She's got a sweet singing voice, but if I'd buy that disc and listen to her Don't you forget about me every evening before bedtime, I'm afraid I wouldn't get much sleep.

(http://111.imagebam.com/download/9e675Z-lIjHaFNvXPCMAFg/38280/382791819/mr-p1.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 19, 2015, 03:41:24 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 17, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
We should all listen to Bruckner 6 in honor of his imminent return to GMG!!

GREAT IDEA!!!  0:)

Concering Mollly Ringwald:

I am having trouble persuading my belligerent neurons that 1985 was 30 years ago.

Because I can do a comparison, you see, and recall that when I was younger in the 1950's and 1960's, "30 years ago" meant the strange and faraway days of the Roaring Twenties and the Depression.  Now, "30 years ago" does not seem all that distant at all...but it is!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on January 19, 2015, 04:24:36 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 19, 2015, 03:41:24 AM

I am having trouble persuading my belligerent neurons that 1985 was 30 years ago.
So do I... It struck me already a few years ago that when I was in primary school around 1980 and my Grandma recounted stuff from WW 2 or the immediate time afterwards around 1950 this was as distant as my primary school days are from today. To me this does explain some differences between people my age (born late 60s to mid/late 70s) and the ones only a few years younger. I actually had older teachers as well as classmates with elderly fathers who had served in WW2, in any case most of our parents had been born during the war and grown up in the aftermath, so both this recent past as well as certain mores were usually clearly conveyed to my generation. Whereas people born in the 1980s have usually parents having grown up in the late 60s/70s, in comparably well-off situations and also on "our side" of the social changes of the late 60s.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 19, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on January 19, 2015, 04:24:36 AM
So do I... It struck me already a few years ago that when I was in primary school around 1980 and my Grandma recounted stuff from WW 2 or the immediate time afterwards around 1950 this was as distant as my primary school days are from today. To me this does explain some differences between people my age (born late 60s to mid/late 70s) and the ones only a few years younger. I actually had older teachers as well as classmates with elderly fathers who had served in WW2, in any case most of our parents had been born during the war and grown up in the aftermath, so both this recent past as well as certain mores were usually clearly conveyed to my generation. Whereas people born in the 1980s have usually parents having grown up in the late 60s/70s, in comparably well-off situations and also on "our side" of the social changes of the late 60s.

Here is something of interest musically: I have a good number of students who can tell me about rock groups from 30 years ago and beyond (one girl is a Beatles fanatic), the equivalent of hearing a discussion of Bix Beiderbecke, Rudy Vallee, Alice Faye, or Bing Crosby among teenagers in the 1960's or 1970's, discussions which, I can assure you, did not take place (a handful of exceptions).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: listener on January 19, 2015, 10:24:56 AM
Similar reaction to movie discussions, as much has happened since I started watching as there had been up to that time.  Film historians have twice as much to learn now!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 19, 2015, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 19, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
Here is something of interest musically: I have a good number of students who can tell me about rock groups from 30 years ago and beyond (one girl is a Beatles fanatic), the equivalent of hearing a discussion of Bix Beiderbecke, Rudy Vallee, Alice Faye, or Bing Crosby among teenagers in the 1960's or 1970's, discussions which, I can assure you, did not take place (a handful of exceptions).

I suspect that the reason is partially linked to the powerful access we now have in terms of watching and listening to music/film from the past. Perhaps the 60/70s teenagers would have had those discussion with a similar access to the music?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 19, 2015, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 19, 2015, 11:12:18 AM
I suspect that the reason is partially linked to the powerful access we now have in terms of watching and listening to music/film from the past. Perhaps the 60/70s teenagers would have had those discussion with a similar access to the music?

Well, maybe.

In fact, there was a 1930's '40's pop-kulcher revival of sorts in the later 1960's and early '70's: some movie theaters had W.C. Fields and Marx Brothers festivals.  Records with old radio shows came out (again with Fields, Jack Benny, Burns and Allen, etc. ).  Big Band music was also reissued, but this latter phenomenon was more for the grandparents than the teenagers.

Quote from: listener on January 19, 2015, 10:24:56 AM
Similar reaction to movie discussions, as much has happened since I started watching as there had been up to that time.  Film historians have twice as much to learn now!

Yes: I recall a prediction about VCR's, when they first became popular and had been bought by a majority of the population in the 1980's.  "Everybody can now become a film historian!"

Except the most popular genre for many years was (yes) Contemporary  Pornography, ???  not "Silent CLassics" or "1930's Academy Award Winners." 

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 19, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: Cato on January 19, 2015, 01:21:23 PM
Well, maybe.

In fact, there was a 1930's '40's pop-kulcher revival of sorts in the later 1960's and early '70's: some movie theaters had W.C. Fields and Marx Brothers festivals.  Records with old radio shows came out (again with Fields, Jack Benny, Burns and Allen, etc. ).  Big Band music was also reissued, but this latter phenomenon was more for the grandparents than the teenagers.

I went to all of those; liked them as much as I did the current movies. And now, the 'current' movies are classics. I remember seeing things like 'Midnight Cowboy' (Rated X! :o ) and then 'The Godfather', 'Jaws' etc when they were brand new movies. I saw 'Alien' at the World Premiere in San Francisco. That's all 'old shit' now, just like the W.C. Fields I was seeing concurrently with it. This was back in my 'going to the movies' days.

QuoteYes: I recall a prediction about VCR's, when they first became popular and had been bought by a majority of the population in the 1980's.  "Everybody can now become a film historian!"

Except the most popular genre for many years was (yes) Contemporary  Pornography, ???  not "Silent Classics" or "1930's Academy Award Winners."

I think good porn is timeless, doesn't need to be contemporary, although I know it is. Fresh, baby, gotta be fresh...  :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 19, 2015, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 19, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
I went to all of those; liked them as much as I did the current movies. And now, the 'current' movies are classics. I remember seeing things like 'Midnight Cowboy' (Rated X! :o ) and then 'The Godfather', 'Jaws' etc when they were brand new movies. I saw 'Alien' at the World Premiere in San Francisco. That's all 'old shit' now, just like the W.C. Fields I was seeing concurrently with it. This was back in my 'going to the movies' days.

I think good porn is timeless, doesn't need to be contemporary, although I know it is. Fresh, baby, gotta be fresh...  :D

8)

Heh-heh!  Well, I will NOT ask for a definition of "good pornography."   ;)

I recall reading that at least some of those "actresses" were borderline retarded and/or drug addicts and/or beaten by abusive boyfriends or husbands to force them to appear.  So what one sees is a rape on screen.  Others, of course, did like the  money.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 24, 2015, 03:39:06 AM
Chambernut, last post a month ago. Still lurking. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 24, 2015, 07:08:52 AM
Quote from: Henk on January 24, 2015, 03:39:06 AM
Chambernut, last post a month ago. Still lurking. :)

I imagine he's just busy. He's got a girlfriend and I'm happy for him. He deserves all the happiness that life can bring him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 04:43:58 AM
I never thought I would make the Missing Members thread  ???.
New job, long drives, holidays, 5 year old son, yada yada yada.  :)


Quote from: Henk on January 16, 2015, 01:55:27 PM
One word posts is the worst thread. It takes away too much attention. Monkey Greg left the house with not a great heritage.

Thanks. (my one word reply)  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 29, 2015, 05:00:08 AM
The Gregster!!!!!!

I got Dohnanyi's Brucker 6 and it rocks. Simone Young's uses very similar tempos but the orchestra isn't as Brucknerish.

And welcome back and stuff.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 05:06:24 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 29, 2015, 05:00:08 AM
The Gregster!!!!!!

I got Dohnanyi's Brucker 6 and it rocks. Simone Young's uses very similar tempos but the orchestra isn't as Brucknerish.

And welcome back and stuff.

Thanks, Brian.
Anything with Dohnanyi and Bruckner on the same cover rocks!
I've had Young's 6th on the radar, and I see the worlds most handsome conductor  (Mr. Paavo to you) has a new 6th arriving soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 29, 2015, 05:30:42 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 05:06:24 AM
Anything with Dohnanyi and Bruckner on the same cover rocks!

Everyone's waiting for Paavo to shove in . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on January 29, 2015, 06:08:16 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 04:43:58 AM
I never thought I would make the Missing Members thread  ???.
New job, long drives, holidays, 5 year old son, yada yada yada.  :)


Thanks. (my one word reply)  ;)

Welcome back!!!

Time for Bruckner 7?   >:D  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 06:20:20 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on January 29, 2015, 06:08:16 AM
Welcome back!!!

Time for Bruckner 7?   >:D  :D

Hey, Peter.

It's possible!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 29, 2015, 06:26:04 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 05:06:24 AM
Thanks, Brian.
Anything with Dohnanyi and Bruckner on the same cover rocks!
I've had Young's 6th on the radar, and I see the worlds most handsome conductor  (Mr. Paavo to you) has a new 6th arriving soon.
Young's 6th is good but not essential.

Hey! What's the best 4th on NML? I've been storing up all these things to tell/ask you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 06:29:01 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 29, 2015, 06:26:04 AM
Young's 6th is good but not essential.

Hey! What's the best 4th on NML? I've been storing up all these things to tell/ask you.

Young's cycle is good, and worth a listen for the original 2nd, 3rd and 8th. But better performances of them all are out there. Not essential, I agree with.

I'll have to look at the NML to see what's available. Any good 4th's you've listened to lately? And has Honeck's become available yet?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 06:45:04 AM
Greg, welcome back! I've missed your commentary. Do you still live in Georgia?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 06:46:31 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 06:45:04 AM
Greg, welcome back! I've missed your commentary. Do you still live in Georgia?

Thanks, John. I'm still here in Georgia.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 06:49:23 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 06:46:31 AM
Thanks, John. I'm still here in Georgia.

Excellent, so shipping you something will be quite easy. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 29, 2015, 06:50:09 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 06:29:01 AM
Young's cycle is good, and worth a listen for the original 2nd, 3rd and 8th. But better performances of them all are out there. Not essential, I agree with.

I'll have to look at the NML to see what's available. Any good 4th's you've listened to lately? And has Honeck's become available yet?
I'm still trying to learn to like the 4th. :( Anything from Teldec, EMI, Virgin, Naxos type labels, most of Sony would be available.

Honeck's comes out in February (but here's a long excerpt! (https://soundcloud.com/reference-recordings)), as does a live double album of Jansons/Concertgebouw in B6/7!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 06:57:11 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 06:49:23 AM
Excellent, so shipping you something will be quite easy. ;)

Yes! Send me stuff!  ;D
In fact, I'm collecting a large amount of CDs I'm either going to sell or trade, need to reduce some clutter.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 07:01:49 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 29, 2015, 06:50:09 AM
I'm still trying to learn to like the 4th. :( Anything from Teldec, EMI, Virgin, Naxos type labels, most of Sony would be available.

Honeck's comes out in February (but here's a long excerpt! (https://soundcloud.com/reference-recordings)), as does a live double album of Jansons/Concertgebouw in B6/7!

Perhaps you should try a more subjective approach to the 4th, like that of Venzago's. Which is on Spotify.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 29, 2015, 07:14:36 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 07:01:49 AM
Perhaps you should try a more subjective approach to the 4th, like that of Venzago's. Which is on Spotify.
I'm going with Heinz Rogner's because I know he's a fairly fast classicist. Venzago will be my next attempt, but so far wow is Rogner working for me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 07:24:17 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on January 29, 2015, 06:57:11 AM
Yes! Send me stuff!  ;D
In fact, I'm collecting a large amount of CDs I'm either going to sell or trade, need to reduce some clutter.

I hear you, Greg. I need to start culling my collection as well. Of course, I won't get rid of anything by favorite composers or composers in my top 20.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 29, 2015, 07:25:17 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 07:24:17 AM
I hear you, Greg. I need to start culling my collection as well. Of course, I won't get rid of anything by favorite composers or composers in my top 20.
Which really is the top 100 since it changes all the time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 07:26:58 AM
Quote from: The new erato on January 29, 2015, 07:25:17 AM
Which really is the top 100 since it changes all the time.

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2015, 07:28:14 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 07:24:17 AM
I need to start culling my collection as well.

Think, lad. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Think Schnittke  ;D ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 29, 2015, 07:31:26 AM
(* Schnittke-chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on January 29, 2015, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 29, 2015, 06:50:09 AM
I'm still trying to learn to like the 4th. :(

Alas, these things rarely happen via willpower. When it clicks, it clicks. Have you tried Wand, Böhm or Harnoncourt?

Quote from: Brian on January 29, 2015, 06:50:09 AM
Honeck's comes out in February (but here's a long excerpt! (https://soundcloud.com/reference-recordings))l

Thankfully for my wallet, this doesn't sound remotely as good as his previous releases.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 29, 2015, 01:12:48 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 07:24:17 AM
I hear you, Greg. I need to start culling my collection as well. Of course, I won't get rid of anything by ... composers in my top 20.
That eliminates 200 composers. What's left?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2015, 07:28:14 AM
Think, lad. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Think Schnittke  ;D ;)

Sarge

:P Very wise words, Mr. Sarge. I hope I don't make that same error twice! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on January 30, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on January 29, 2015, 07:51:23 AM
Alas, these things rarely happen via willpower. When it clicks, it clicks. Have you tried Wand, Böhm or Harnoncourt?

Is that a question or a suggestion ?  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on January 30, 2015, 11:08:33 PM
Quote from: André on January 30, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
Is that a question or a suggestion ?  ;)

Both. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 31, 2015, 02:34:11 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2015, 05:31:10 PM
:P Very wise words, Mr. Sarge. I hope I don't make that same error twice! ;D
Do tell what happened with Schnittke...

You have such a scandalous, precarious relationship with favorite composers... >:D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 31, 2015, 02:40:26 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 31, 2015, 02:34:11 AM
Do tell what happened with Schnittke...
The greatest purge since Stalin.  :laugh:
John got rid of most (if not all, I don't remember) of his Schnittke recordings, and later gave his music another shot, along with his bank account.  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 31, 2015, 02:41:52 AM
Quote from: North Star on January 31, 2015, 02:40:26 AM
The greatest purge since Stalin.  :laugh:
John got rid of most (if not all, I don't remember) of his Schnittke recordings, and later gave his music another shot, along with his bank account.  ::)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That's hilarious.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 31, 2015, 06:44:17 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 31, 2015, 02:34:11 AM
Do tell what happened with Schnittke...

You have such a scandalous, precarious relationship with favorite composers... >:D ;D ;)

:) As Karlo rightfully pointed out, I gave 'most,' not all, of my Schnittke recordings away, which was foolish, but the recordings I kept gave me a new appreciation for the composer once I decided to take on his music again. Yes, my bank account got pummeled, but you live, you learn. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on January 31, 2015, 06:53:55 AM
But the recordings have probably found a nice new home, you didn't sent them to starve in a Siberian Gulag...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 31, 2015, 08:56:27 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 31, 2015, 06:44:17 AM
:) As Karlo rightfully pointed out, I gave 'most,' not all, of my Schnittke recordings away, which was foolish, but the recordings I kept gave me a new appreciation for the composer once I decided to take on his music again. Yes, my bank account got pummeled, but you live, you learn. :)

However, credit must be given to John for creating a new Schnittke fan.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 31, 2015, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 31, 2015, 06:44:17 AM
:) As Karlo rightfully pointed out, I gave 'most,' not all, of my Schnittke recordings away, which was foolish, but the recordings I kept gave me a new appreciation for the composer once I decided to take on his music again. Yes, my bank account got pummeled, but you live, you learn. :)

Quote from: EigenUser on January 31, 2015, 02:41:52 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That's hilarious.

John learned from his mistake, Nate though continues to buy Boulez ...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 31, 2015, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: Ken B on January 31, 2015, 11:40:13 AM
John learned from his mistake, Nate though continues to buy Boulez ...

We can't laugh at him, though, not now, not until he gives away all his Boulez to charity  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 31, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 31, 2015, 11:44:42 AM
We can't laugh at him, though, not now, not until he gives away all his Boulez to charity  ;D

Giving away Boulez is not charity, but cruelty.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 31, 2015, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 31, 2015, 11:44:42 AM
We can't laugh at him, though, not now, not until he gives away all his Boulez to charity  ;D

Sarge

Nate is not so cruel.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 31, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: Florestan on January 31, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
Giving away Boulez is not charity, but cruelty.  ;D ;D ;D

Ha! Great minds.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on February 01, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Where is Mn Dave? He cancelled his account..
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on February 01, 2015, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Henk on February 01, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Where is Mn Dave? He cancelled his account..

He posted on his Facebook about three hours ago. Seems to be just taking a break as he usually does.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on February 03, 2015, 06:16:35 AM
I'm gonna leave this forum for a while. I have nothing to say. :D And only posting about what I'm listening I think is a bit stupid.

Will keep on lurking a bit. Maybe keep on posting in the Jazz new releases thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 03, 2015, 06:35:49 AM
Quote from: Henk on February 03, 2015, 06:16:35 AM
I have nothing to say. :D

That has not stopped me!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 03, 2015, 07:00:48 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 03, 2015, 08:53:16 AM
Quote from: Cato on February 03, 2015, 06:35:49 AM
That has not stopped me!  ;)

:P +1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 09:07:28 AM
Quote from: Henk on February 03, 2015, 06:16:35 AM
I'm gonna leave this forum for a while. I have nothing to say. :D And only posting about what I'm listening I think is a bit stupid.

Will keep on lurking a bit. Maybe keep on posting in the Jazz new releases thread.

Don't go! I was counting on you to bring the anti-Gurrelieder faction up to 2! I know you're an Elgar skeptic, and we can ill afford to lose any of those either.
(I suppose it's too much to hope you're a La Mer doubter?)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on February 03, 2015, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 09:07:28 AM
(I suppose it's too much to hope you're a La Mer doubter?)

Hey!  I'm not gonna take that sitting down!  It's time for my nap anyway.   
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on February 03, 2015, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 09:07:28 AM
Don't go! I was counting on you to bring the anti-Gurrelieder faction up to 2! I know you're an Elgar skeptic, and we can ill afford to lose any of those either.
(I suppose it's too much to hope you're a La Mer doubter?)

Ok, so true. I avoid anything by Debussy and Ravel. :) Elgar, never heard but he's an late-romantic composer and I have bad experiences with anything late-romantic.

A video to please Karl :):
https://www.youtube.com/v/qNdirDqjpgk&list=PLgipZmrFdCvL29xshFngjhMrjOiSHZqAo
"You talk an awful lot for having nothing to say"
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 03, 2015, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 09:07:28 AM
Don't go! I was counting on you to bring the anti-Gurrelieder faction up to 2! I know you're an Elgar skeptic, and we can ill afford to lose any of those either.
(I suppose it's too much to hope you're a La Mer doubter?)

Ken, you should have assumed that I can always be counted on for the important stuff...  0:)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 03, 2015, 10:46:53 AM
Ken, you should have assumed that I can always be counted on for the important stuff...  0:)

8)

I didn't want to presume.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on February 03, 2015, 10:14:41 AM
Hey!  I'm not gonna take that sitting down!  It's time for my nap anyway.   

I knew it! Even Z7, EVEN Z7, you say "La Mer" and he needs a nap.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on February 03, 2015, 11:16:52 AM
....or a nappie.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on February 03, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: The new erato on February 03, 2015, 11:16:52 AM
....or a nappie.....

Nappy or nappie
Just make it snappy.
The puns 'round here
Are getting crappy.
And so's the poesy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 03, 2015, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on February 03, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
Nappy or nappie
Just make it snappy.
The puns 'round here
Are getting crappy.
And so's the poesy.

Our posies are poetic,
And not really too pathetic,
But maybe apathetic,
Since they cannot be kinetic,
And yet not anesthetic,
Because they aren't poppies!

And wait a few weeks if you want some poppies: our Labrador Retriever  is pregnant!   ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on February 03, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
Nappy or nappie
Just make it snappy.
The puns 'round here
Are getting crappy.
And so's the poesy.

The flagon with the dragon
Has the brew that is true

http://youtu.be/TJ9f2rnjB84

The flagon with the dragon comes later

http://www.filmsite.org/cour.html (http://www.filmsite.org/cour.html)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on February 04, 2015, 09:08:31 AM
Quote from: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 06:24:09 PM
The flagon with the dragon
Has the brew that is true

http://youtu.be/TJ9f2rnjB84

The flagon with the dragon comes later

http://www.filmsite.org/cour.html (http://www.filmsite.org/cour.html)

and from Cato : Our posies are poetic,
And not really too pathetic...

Now that's lyric poetry at its finest! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 04, 2015, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on February 04, 2015, 09:08:31 AM
and from Cato : Our posies are poetic,
And not really too pathetic...

Now that's lyric poetry at its finest! :)

Heh-heh!

Quote from: Ken B on February 03, 2015, 06:24:09 PM
The flagon with the dragon
Has the brew that is true

Don't forget the chalice with the palace or the vessel with the pestle!  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 04, 2015, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: Cato on February 04, 2015, 09:26:08 AM
Heh-heh!

Don't forget the chalice with the palace or the vessel with the pestle!  ???

Don't forget the pellet with the poison!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aukhawk on February 06, 2015, 12:49:52 AM
You mean - the drug in the jug?

The Gateau from the Chateau (YouTube) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Q83AeyYxs)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Beaumarchais on February 08, 2015, 10:35:04 AM
I have just joined GMG and note that missing members are a concern that also affects another site I belong to.
It's most noticeable when long-standing members disappear of course but I imagine it's something that affects forums in general. l'm hoping to be around for a long time.'
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 08, 2015, 02:48:38 PM
Welcome!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 21, 2015, 06:10:22 PM
Z7
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 21, 2015, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: Cato on February 04, 2015, 09:26:08 AM
Don't forget the chalice with the palace or the vessel with the pestle!  ???
I memorized this when I was a kid. I first watched it with my brother as kids. I was laughing so hard at this movie (and this part in particular) that I must have been crying in hysterics. Of course the question of the Doge, the Duke and the Dutchess and the matter of the dirk is a close second.

The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle while the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true.
But they broke the chalice from the palace.
So now the pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, while the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.

Of course, that doesn't make sense, because if the vessel has the poison, it doesn't matter that the chalice broke. Nonetheless, hilarious.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 21, 2015, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: Ken B on February 21, 2015, 06:10:22 PM
Z7

Yes, I wonder where Zauber has been? Most curious.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 22, 2015, 07:09:18 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 21, 2015, 08:33:08 PM
Yes, I wonder where Zauber has been? Most curious.

Well, it's only been 2 weeks (2/8). and his last post didn't indicate being pissed, so I figure either vacation or else sobering up after a prolonged buying spree. I learned that second one from watching you, John.   :D :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on February 22, 2015, 07:44:35 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 22, 2015, 07:09:18 AM
Well, it's only been 2 weeks (2/8). and his last post didn't indicate being pissed, so I figure either vacation or else sobering up after a prolonged buying spree. I learned that second one from watching you, John.   :D :D

8)

He was doing a month long Wagner marathon (Sony box). No wonder he needs a break!!!!   ;) ;) ;)
Alternatively, he is still listening to Lohengrin!   :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 22, 2015, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on February 22, 2015, 07:44:35 AM
He was doing a month long Wagner marathon (Sony box). No wonder he needs a break!!!!   ;) ;) ;)
Alternatively, he is still listening to Lohengrin!   :P
I fear he added both La Mer and Elgar's 1st to his playlist and is now comatose.   >:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 22, 2015, 06:40:08 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 22, 2015, 07:09:18 AM
Well, it's only been 2 weeks (2/8). and his last post didn't indicate being pissed, so I figure either vacation or else sobering up after a prolonged buying spree. I learned that second one from watching you, John.   :D :D

8)

Hah! :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 23, 2015, 02:59:40 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on February 22, 2015, 07:44:35 AM
He was doing a month long Wagner marathon (Sony box).

I fear the worst . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 23, 2015, 03:27:30 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on February 23, 2015, 02:59:40 AM
I fear the worst . . . .

Standing in line for Bayreuth tickets?!  :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 23, 2015, 04:03:32 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on February 22, 2015, 07:44:35 AM
He was doing a month long Wagner marathon (Sony box). No wonder he needs a break!!!!   ;) ;) ;)
Alternatively, he is still listening to Lohengrin!   :P


Quote from: karlhenning on February 23, 2015, 02:59:40 AM
I fear the worst . . . .

Did no one dial 9-11?!  ;)

I do recall spending long, long afternoons listening to e.g. Goetterdaemmerung with the score: both the Solti and the von Karajan performances.  And yet, here I am, healthy and happy!   ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 23, 2015, 04:36:06 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 24, 2015, 05:05:20 AM
I exchanged notes with Z7. He's fine, not suffering from either Elgar or Wagner overload, but has other claims on his time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 24, 2015, 05:09:21 AM
Relieved to hear it is nothing so dire as over-Wagnerization!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 08:54:01 AM
Hello,

Not that anyone missed me, but I have returned after about a 5 month layoff.  I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in September, 2014, which significantly curtailed my activity in many things, forum posting included. I began having problems mid-July, which culminated in a biopsy in early September. By the time of the actual diagnosis two weeks later, I was prepared for the worst.  Strange as it may sound, I actually felt relieved in finally knowing where I stood. The month or so leading up to the diagnosis (not knowing) was awful. 

Anyway, I underwent surgery on December 1, (a radical prostatectomy), and having been recovering since.  The entire process was rougher than I expected, but I'm progressing slowly but steadily. I returned to work after a 5 week layoff, but could have easily taken more time.  Unfortunately, disability insurance SUCKS, and I have a family to support. The biggest challenge has been to regain my stamina.

On Tuesday March 17,  I go for my first 3 month follow-up, and I'm being cautiously confident.

Yours truly,

NJ Joe
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on March 15, 2015, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 08:54:01 AM
Hello,

Not that anyone missed me, but I have returned after about a 5 month layoff.  I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in September, 2014, which significantly curtailed my activity in many things, forum posting included. I began having problems mid-July, which culminated in a biopsy in early September. By the time of the actual diagnosis two weeks later, I was prepared for the worst.  Strange as it may sound, I actually felt relieved in finally knowing where I stood. The month or so leading up to the diagnosis (not knowing) was awful. 

Anyway, I underwent surgery on December 1, (a radical prostatectomy), and having been recovering since.  The entire process was rougher than I expected, but I'm progressing slowly but steadily. I returned to work after a 5 week layoff, but could have easily taken more time.  Unfortunately, disability insurance SUCKS, and I have a family to support. The biggest challenge has been to regain my stamina.

On Tuesday March 17,  I go for my first 3 month follow-up, and I'm being cautiously confident.

Yours truly,

NJ Joe
Good luck to you and thanks for being so candid.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on March 15, 2015, 10:28:33 AM
Best wishes, Joe. I know several people who have had this condition to deal with, with varying degrees of success in recovery. I'm hoping you will be one of the success stories, we need more of those.

Music helps to maintain a good attitude, which is crucial to your efforts. Hope you have time to relax and listen now and then...

Regards,
GB 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 15, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 08:54:01 AM

Anyway, I underwent surgery on December 1, (a radical prostatectomy), and having been recovering since... 

Ouch!  As part of your therapy, the complete symphonies of Anton Bruckner are prescribed!   ;)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on March 15, 2015, 11:01:19 AM
Good luck with the cancer, Joe.

Quote from: Cato on March 15, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
Ouch!  As part of your therapy, the complete symphonies of Anton Bruckner are prescribed!   ;)
An aesthetic anaesthetic?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 15, 2015, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: North Star on March 15, 2015, 11:01:19 AM

An aesthetic anaesthetic?

An aesthetic energetic!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: The new erato on March 15, 2015, 10:25:21 AM
Good luck to you and thanks for being so candid.

Thank you and you're welcome! It's therapeutic for me to talk about it, now that the surgery's done. 

It was very difficult to talk about in the time leading up to the surgery.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on March 15, 2015, 10:28:33 AM
Best wishes, Joe. I know several people who have had this condition to deal with, with varying degrees of success in recovery. I'm hoping you will be one of the success stories, we need more of those.

Music helps to maintain a good attitude, which is crucial to your efforts. Hope you have time to relax and listen now and then...

Regards,
GB 8)

Thank you, sir.  I totally agree with you.  A positive attitude is essential, and music helps in a way that is beyond description. My doc says my prognosis is excellent. Let's hope he's right!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: Cato on March 15, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
Ouch!  As part of your therapy, the complete symphonies of Anton Bruckner are prescribed!   ;)

Yes, thank you!  I'm on it!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: North Star on March 15, 2015, 11:01:19 AM
Good luck with the cancer, Joe.
An aesthetic anaesthetic?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 15, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 08:54:01 AM
Hello,

Not that anyone missed me, but I have returned after about a 5 month layoff.  I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in September, 2014, which significantly curtailed my activity in many things, forum posting included. I began having problems mid-July, which culminated in a biopsy in early September. By the time of the actual diagnosis two weeks later, I was prepared for the worst.  Strange as it may sound, I actually felt relieved in finally knowing where I stood. The month or so leading up to the diagnosis (not knowing) was awful. 

Anyway, I underwent surgery on December 1, (a radical prostatectomy), and having been recovering since.  The entire process was rougher than I expected, but I'm progressing slowly but steadily. I returned to work after a 5 week layoff, but could have easily taken more time.  Unfortunately, disability insurance SUCKS, and I have a family to support. The biggest challenge has been to regain my stamina.

On Tuesday March 17,  I go for my first 3 month follow-up, and I'm being cautiously confident.

Yours truly,

NJ Joe

I'm terribly sorry to learn of this, Joe. I hope for a speedy recovery. Take care of yourself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 03:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 15, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
I'm terribly sorry to learn of this, Joe. I hope for a speedy recovery. Take care of yourself.

Thank you MI, much appreciated!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on March 15, 2015, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
Thank you and you're welcome! It's therapeutic for me to talk about it, now that the surgery's done. 

It was very difficult to talk about in the time leading up to the surgery.

The same thing happened with me.  I didn't want to talk to anyone about it.  Just wanted to concentrate on getting myself into the right frame of mind - be strong and beat it.  All is fine now, and I hope the same for you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on March 15, 2015, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: Sammy on March 15, 2015, 04:54:12 PM
The same thing happened with me.  I didn't want to talk to anyone about it.  Just wanted to concentrate on getting myself into the right frame of mind - be strong and beat it.  All is fine now, and I hope the same for you.

Thank you Sammy, glad to hear all is fine with you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 25, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Phrygian, a lady from Australia, seems to have disappeared.

I have written to her by e-mail now and then, since she joined: right now she is in Vienna.  Recent e-mails have returned, as if her account is gone.  The account here also seems to be defunct.

Sad: we need more women here, especially for Snyppr!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on April 25, 2015, 02:20:33 PM
She disappeared soon after telling me what really happened in the Finnish parliamentary elections on last Sunday.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on April 25, 2015, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 25, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Phrygian, a lady from Australia, seems to have disappeared.

I have written to her by e-mail now and then, since she joined: right now she is in Vienna.  Recent e-mails have returned, as if her account is gone.  The account here also seems to be defunct.

Sad: we need more women here, especially for Snyppr!  0:)

She apparently took umbrage over this thread
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,24190.msg886053.html#msg886053
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 25, 2015, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 25, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Phrygian, a lady from Australia, seems to have disappeared.

I have written to her by e-mail now and then, since she joined: right now she is in Vienna.  Recent e-mails have returned, as if her account is gone.  The account here also seems to be defunct.

Sad: we need more women here, especially for Snyppr!  0:)

Well, just a quick glance at threads like The Men's Rights Movement, The Dating Thread and More Girl Problems should be more than sufficient to make any sane woman run for the exit.... ::)   :laugh:

But as pointed out, there were different circumstances at play....

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on April 25, 2015, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 25, 2015, 02:21:59 PM
She apparently took umbrage over this thread
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,24190.msg886053.html#msg886053

It is common sense to stay off the topic of politics here at GMG.....
I'm sorry to see that Phrygian decided to leave after experiencing the ridiculous heat of a meaningless virtual debate. It reminds me of Discobolus leaving for a similar reason.  Moderators: It think it is a disgrace that these types of topics trigger a loss of valuable members here at GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 25, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on April 25, 2015, 02:46:43 PM
It is common sense to stay off the topic of politics here at GMG.....
I'm sorry to see that Phrygian decided to leave after experiencing the ridiculous heat of a meaningless virtual debate. It reminds me of Discobolus leaving for a similar reason.  Moderators: It think it is a disgrace that these types of topics trigger a loss of valuable members here at GMG.

What I find regrettable is that she seems to have deleted her contact with me on regular e-mail.

Of course, I did send her some of my writings...in some cases, after doing that, I never heard from the other person ever again!   :D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on April 25, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 25, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
What I find regrettable is that she seems to have deleted her contact with me on regular e-mail.

Of course, I did send her some of my writings...in some cases, after doing that, I never heard from the other person ever again!   :D

;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on April 25, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on April 25, 2015, 02:46:43 PM
It is common sense to stay off the topic of politics here at GMG.....
I'm sorry to see that Phrygian decided to leave after experiencing the ridiculous heat of a meaningless virtual debate. It reminds me of Discobolus leaving for a similar reason.  Moderators: It think it is a disgrace that these types of topics trigger a loss of valuable members here at GMG.
I don't know what you mean by disgrace, Peter? These two members have a history of intolerance here, and Discobolus himself drove members away from GMG (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=20101.0). They are the ones that should have kept away from those subjects, and I don't think the Diner discussions should be more strictly controlled just to avoid a few broken nuts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on April 25, 2015, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on April 25, 2015, 02:46:43 PM
It is common sense to stay off the topic of politics here at GMG.....
I'm sorry to see that Phrygian decided to leave after experiencing the ridiculous heat of a meaningless virtual debate. It reminds me of Discobolus leaving for a similar reason. Moderators: It think it is a disgrace that these types of topics trigger a loss of valuable members here at GMG.

Moon,

So do I, but look at the subject of the topic: Who will replace Rattle at the BPO? If we disallow that, what is the future of any discussion at all?   ???

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on April 25, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: North Star on April 25, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
I don't know what you mean by disgrace, Peter? These two members have a history of intolerance here, and Discobolus himself drove members away from GMG (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=20101.0). They are the ones that should have kept away from those subjects, and I don't think the Diner discussions should be more strictly controlled just to avoid a few broken nuts.

I just find it sad, since these members had wonderful things to say about music. I do miss Discobolus's posts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on April 25, 2015, 04:49:31 PM
Might as well piss everyone off. I think Phrygian was treated badly, and I think several here, whom I mentioned before so won't name again, endorsed rather low tactics simply because her opinions are unfashionable and unPC. I don't mean to imply she was guiltless in the exchanges, as she most certainly wasn't, or that her arguments were good, only that she was swarmed. And there are few things I admire less than a swarm. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on April 25, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 25, 2015, 04:05:45 PM
Moon,

So do I, but look at the subject of the topic: Who will replace Rattle at the BPO? If we disallow that, what is the future of any discussion at all?   ???

8)

You are right! I was also wondering how the original topic took such a sinister turn!  :o
It is always a good idea to turn away from the feeding frenzy of the virtual boards.  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 25, 2015, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: Ken B on April 25, 2015, 04:49:31 PM
Might as well piss everyone off. I think Phrygian was treated badly, and I think several here, whom I mentioned before so won't name again, endorsed rather low tactics simply because her opinions are unfashionable and unPC. I don't mean to imply she was guiltless in the exchanges, as she most certainly wasn't, or that her arguments were good, only that she was swarmed. And there are few things I admire less than a swarm. 
You may be right, but you have been part of a swarm (albeit a smaller one). So I am slightly confused.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 25, 2015, 05:11:51 PM
They may thus serve a useful purpose as Nut Attractors ....

Sorry for our Cato, though 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on April 25, 2015, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on April 25, 2015, 05:04:57 PM
You may be right, but you have been part of a swarm (albeit a smaller one). So I am slightly confused.

I don't think you were swarmed, and I don't think the criticisms of what you said -- which might differ from what you meant I acknowledge -- were personal. Certainly no-one called you a racist or hinted about nazi sympathies expressed in code.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on April 25, 2015, 11:52:11 PM
I am sorry that she left but Phrygian was clearly de-railing that thread. There are other threads (as mentioned "Men's rights" etc.) where "non-PC" opinions are freely expressed and discussed.
But in the Berlin Philharmonic thread she repeatedly ignored not only the main thread topic but told people off who had lived (or were still living) in Germany/Europe for decades because she thought she knew everything better after spending a few months on holiday there.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on April 28, 2015, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on April 25, 2015, 11:52:11 PM
I am sorry that she left but Phrygian was clearly de-railing that thread. There are other threads (as mentioned "Men's rights" etc.) where "non-PC" opinions are freely expressed and discussed.
But in the Berlin Philharmonic thread she repeatedly ignored not only the main thread topic but told people off who had lived (or were still living) in Germany/Europe for decades because she thought she knew everything better after spending a few months on holiday there.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

The original post in that topic gives the distinct impression that for her, the BPO search was largely a pretext for another one of her political rants. Some of the responders eventually weren't very polite, but neither was she.

So I would say that she wasn't just in the kitchen; she built the fire and then poured gasoline on it. I don't have much sympathy for that. That goes for Discobole too, as much as I appreciated his music-related posts. (Just to be clear, I would welcome both of them back. I'm just not sympathetic over their departures.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 30, 2015, 08:36:03 AM
Where is Ray (ChamberRay)?!?!? >:( Miss this guy. See him on Facebook every now and again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on April 30, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
And where is Octave...?      :(
Haven't seen him here for a long time!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on April 30, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on April 30, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
And where is Octave...?      :(
Haven't seen him here for a long time!

As I understand it, a combination of other interests and the need to keep to his CD buying budget made it prudent to stay away from the temptations on offer here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 01, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
Quote from: Que on April 25, 2015, 02:40:05 PM
Well, just a quick glance at threads like The Men's Rights Movement, The Dating Thread and More Girl Problems should be more than sufficient to make any sane woman run for the exit.... ::)   :laugh:

Yes, I certainly do not envy you (moderators), who - dutifully - have to read those threads.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on May 02, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
Did James leave?

A shame he couldn't be nicer to people. We seemed to have very similar musical tastes, apart from most of the Stockhausen stuff. He fueled my recent fascination with the Tippett PC, too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 02, 2015, 03:06:16 AM
Quote from: Soapy Molloy on May 02, 2015, 02:52:10 AM
I don't think it's a matter of niceness, having seen James respond with courtesy even when being abused in an apparently ritual fashion i.e. because it's James.  The problem is the need to be right all the time, which is in most cases a worthless pursuit, no more so than in matters of individual taste.  Hence all the threads dealing with whether this or that work or composer is or is not "the greatest", "a masterpiece", or whatever. As if it were not enough just to like something.  It's a fragile perception that depends on the agreement of others.

Yes, we all remember James' courtesy.  :)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/6035526169_6493c23b91_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 02, 2015, 03:19:20 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on May 02, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
Did James leave?

Incredible!  He just wrote all kinds of things a few days ago, I thought.   He was such a disciple for Stockhausen and other experimental types.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: chadfeldheimer on May 02, 2015, 03:37:36 AM
Quote from: North Star on May 02, 2015, 03:06:16 AM
Yes, we all remember James' courtesy.  :)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/6035526169_6493c23b91_z.jpg)
Yes he could be quite confrontational some times (some reactions to his posts weren't either the most polite), but I also agree with Soapy Molly that he could also be quite courteous, depending on his mood I think.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 02, 2015, 03:41:34 AM
Quote from: Soapy Molloy on May 02, 2015, 02:52:10 AM
I don't think it's a matter of niceness, having seen James respond with courtesy even when being abused in an apparently ritual fashion i.e. because it's James.  The problem is the need to be right all the time, which is in most cases a worthless pursuit, no more so than in matters of individual taste.  Hence all the threads dealing with whether this or that work or composer is or is not "the greatest", "a masterpiece", or whatever. As if it were not enough just to like something.  It's a fragile perception that depends on the agreement of others.
I agree, and I will miss his posts. He was arrogant (as in always right) but when you got past that also insightful and corteous.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on May 02, 2015, 04:49:41 AM
I am not sure why you are all talking about him in the past tense. Although he deleted some posts, he is still registered.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Speaking as a moderator here, I do wish the taunting of James would cease. I know he has been... unpleasant, shall we say?... in the past, but as most of you will admit, he is also a poster of interesting things, and champion of some less than popular ones too. Just because someone can be a snappin' ar'sle when provoked is not then a license for everyone to provoke him. Sometimes, people need to look at themselves and they will see the same folk who go to races to see the crashes, the ones we all deplore (unless they are us).

We deal with James far more than any of you do, and the constant barrage of needling, like picadors with a bull, doesn't make it any simpler, since he is right to be irritated.

Why don't we call a moratorium on all that? If you want to interact in a positive manner on the level of music, then by all means do so. Otherwise, take the high road and if you are piqued by something he writes, then get over it and move on.

Thanks,
GB   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on May 02, 2015, 05:37:49 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on May 01, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
Yes, I certainly do not envy you (moderators), who - dutifully - have to read those threads.  :)

Thanks for this (also speaking as a moderator). Though I confess that sometimes - mostly for time reasons lately - I'm doing no more than skimming them, making sure the participants haven't annihilated each other.  8)

And re: James, I don't have much to add to what Gurn wrote. No, I'm not the biggest fan of James's style, but - as with a few others here - it's less annoying (not to mention, less time-consuming) just to ignore, rather than incite. GMG has become a rather large (!) community, not to mention, a rather diverse one, and just like any small city, there's no guarantee that all its citizens will get along.

In any case, it's good to pause now and then, and realize that - for better or worse - people who love classical music are a pretty small subset of the population at large. The other night on Jeopardy, contestants were avoiding the "Czech Composers" category like the plague, since I'm pretty sure they didn't know much about them. ;D (And those of us who like Stockhausen - or contemporary music in general - are an even smaller club.  ;D)

But it's that love of the art form that makes people want to discuss it - most of the time very passionately - and the thing many of us have in common.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 05:38:27 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on May 02, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
Did James leave?

A shame he couldn't be nicer to people. We seemed to have very similar musical tastes, apart from most of the Stockhausen stuff. He fueled my recent fascination with the Tippett PC, too.

Did Eigenuser leave? I ask because James was last active today, and so was Nate.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2015, 05:40:16 AM
I found Ken. (see above)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 05:44:21 AM
My 2c
James got the most grief not for his taste but for his principled position that some stuff is shit and some is not.
People who would pillory him for stating this explicitly would then go on in other contexts to evince the same belief.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 05:46:47 AM
Well, one makes oneself amusing by staking that claim, and pointing to a steaming musical artifact and claiming Ceci n'est pas la merde.   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 05:55:39 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 02, 2015, 05:46:47 AM
Well, one makes oneself amusing by staking that claim, and pointing to a steaming musical artifact and claiming Ceci n'est pas la merde.   8)

Oh, I agree with you about that! But you can be right about a principle and wrong about a composition.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 05:59:43 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 05:44:21 AM
My 2c
James got the most grief not for his taste but for his principled position that some stuff is shit and some is not.
People who would pillory him for stating this explicitly would then go on in other contexts to evince the same belief.

Well, exactly. As Schumann once wrote, the critic who is afraid to attack something bad is only a half-hearted supporter of something good.

I've always felt this stance we take here of "discuss your favorites, but don't say if it's great or not, because that might offend someone (and we can't have that)" is totally phony. Who's going to actually admit to liking music they think is crap?

If good old James is gone, I for one am going to miss him. Despite his deaf spots towards Mozart and Beethoven, and his excessive devotion to the later Stockhausen, he was never namby-pamby about his beliefs, and in my opinion  he was fundamentally right most of the time about contemporary music. And yes, some stuff people like here is shit.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2015, 06:15:26 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 05:44:21 AM
James got the most grief not for his taste but for his principled position that some stuff is shit and some is not.

And yet I found that amusing rather than provocative. Everyone here has some variation of the same behavior. James is just shamelessly blatant about it. Knowing this, and knowing its object, most people should be able to have a grin and move on. We art music lovers are superior beings, remember?   :D

8)

(PS - Ken, I know you aren't picking, you just phrased it conveninetly for me)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 06:24:20 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2015, 06:15:26 AM
Everyone here has some variation of the same behavior. James is just shamelessly blatant about it.

Precisely, and people should not hide behind cloaks of self-righteousness by blaming James for what they do just as shamelessly themselves. If you're so weak that you can't take a little criticism of work you hold dear, then step aside and let the adults play. Perhaps the stuff you consider so "great" is not as good as you think it is, and perhaps you can learn from listening to others' comments.

After all, professional critics don't hesitate to say they think a work is worthy or not, and the world doesn't come to an end if a few sacred cows get poked here and there.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:31:29 AM
People are talking about James like he's gone. He's still registered. I'll keep my personal opinion on him short: he was fun to pick on, but I think he crossed the line whenever he personally insulted me in a truly disrespectful manner. I'm far from perfect and I have made mistakes on this forum (many times), but I've always apologized for my actions and, if I haven't, it's because I didn't know I offended someone or someone didn't let me know otherwise. If he wants to post, if doesn't wants to post makes no difference to me. He must have a heart of stone. You simply can't treat people however you want and not expect some kind of resistance.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:31:29 AM
People are talking about James like he's gone. He's still registered. I'll keep my personal opinion on him short: he was fun to pick on, but I think he crossed the line whenever he personally insulted me in a truly disrespectful manner. I'm far from perfect and I have made mistakes on this forum (many times), but I've always apologized for my actions and, if I haven't, it's because I didn't know I offended someone or someone didn't let me know otherwise. If he wants to post, if doesn't wants to post makes no difference to me. He must have a heart of stone. You simply can't treat people however you want and not expect some kind of resistance.

And when did he insult you, John? Seriously, are you that thin of skin that an occasional criticism over the Internet from a total stranger is going to affect you so strongly?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 06:35:07 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:31:29 AM
People are talking about James like he's gone. He's still registered. I'll keep my personal opinion on him short: he was fun to pick on, but I think he crossed the line whenever he personally insulted me in a truly disrespectful manner. I'm far from perfect and I have made mistakes on this forum (many times), but I've always apologized for my actions and, if I haven't, it's because I didn't know I offended someone or someone didn't let me know otherwise. If he wants to post, if doesn't wants to post makes no difference to me. He must have a heart of stone. You simply can't treat people however you want and not expect some kind of resistance.

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:36:33 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
And when did he insult you, John? Seriously, are you that thin of skin that an occasional criticism over the Internet from a total stranger is going to affect you so strongly?

You don't remember when he called me a cunt on the 'Greatest 20th Composer' poll/thread? Oh, I do have a thick skin and I can overlook almost all his 'attacks' if you want to call them that, but I thought this was out-of-line (even for him).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 02, 2015, 06:39:25 AM
He's a dick.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on May 02, 2015, 06:40:54 AM
James is cool, the Walt Kowalski of this board.

QuoteIf good old James is gone, I for one am going to miss him. Despite his deaf spots towards Mozart and Beethoven, and his excessive devotion to the later Stockhausen, he was never namby-pamby about his beliefs

Agreed.

Quoteand in my opinion he was fundamentally right most of the time about contemporary music.

Not agreed. That's what I find genuinely sad - when someone who's been so open minded and enthusiastic about music that was angrily dismissed by cranky elitist geezers back when it was new.. becomes one himself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 02, 2015, 06:45:06 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:36:33 AM
You don't remember when he called me...

Ouch!  I never saw that: after such an insult, I would have banned him or demanded an apology.  I take no prisoners on idiocies like that: such contumely shows a severe lack of imagination, as do all such cacologies.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
Quote from: Rinaldo on May 02, 2015, 06:40:54 AM
James is cool, the Walt Kowalski of this board.

Agreed.

Not agreed. That's what I find genuinely sad - when someone who's been so open minded and enthusiastic about music that was angrily dismissed by cranky elitist geezers back when it was new.. becomes one himself.

What's a Walt Kowalski?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on May 02, 2015, 06:47:23 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
What's a Walt Kowalski?

(http://s3.media.squarespace.com/production/465215/5307878/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/gran-1.png)

Clint Eastwood's character in Gran Torino.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:50:02 AM
Quote from: Cato on May 02, 2015, 06:45:06 AM
Ouch!  I never saw that: after such an insult, I would have banned him or demanded an apology.  I take no prisoners on idiocies like that: such contumely shows a severe lack of imagination, as do all such cacologies.

I've seemed to have taken on this philosophy for the past year or so: whenever a person puts you down in a nasty manner, it's merely a reflection of their own character and nothing else. I wouldn't expect James to apologize for anything he's said, but the fact that he didn't exercise restraint, and disregarded my own feelings, demonstrates his lack of character and humility.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 07:24:54 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:36:33 AM
You don't remember when he called me a cunt on the 'Greatest 20th Composer' poll/thread? Oh, I do have a thick skin and I can overlook almost all his 'attacks' if you want to call them that, but I thought this was out-of-line (even for him).

Actually, I don't.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 07:36:04 AM
Quote from: Rinaldo on May 02, 2015, 06:40:54 AM
Not agreed. That's what I find genuinely sad - when someone who's been so open minded and enthusiastic about music that was angrily dismissed by cranky elitist geezers back when it was new.. becomes one himself.

So maybe he just doesn't like some of the music you like. I don't like that Ixion thing you posted by Langguard either. So what. My disliking it is not going to change your mind, nor are you going to change mine.

But what I don't get is why James, who just days ago had a post count of 9000+, now is down to just under 2000. Did he go on a mass delete binge?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: chadfeldheimer on May 02, 2015, 07:39:40 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Why don't we call a moratorium on all that? If you want to interact in a positive manner on the level of music, then by all means do so. Otherwise, take the high road and if you are piqued by something he writes, then get over it and move on.

I like that. This forum and the whole internet would be a nicer place if more people would follow these suggestions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 02, 2015, 07:43:33 AM
Quote from: Cato on May 02, 2015, 06:45:06 AM
Ouch!  I never saw that.
neither did I. Clearly unacceptable.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 02, 2015, 07:45:40 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 07:36:04 AM
But what I don't get is why James, who just days ago had a post count of 9000+, now is down to just under 2000. Did he go on a mass delete binge?

I suppose he has deleted the larger part of his offensive posts.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 07:45:50 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 02, 2015, 06:39:25 AM
He's a dick.

Is that any better than being a cunt, and should you not apologize for calling James a - what was it? - "contumely that shows a severe lack of imagination, as do all such cacologies"? Or is it only reprehensible when James does it?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 07:46:32 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 02, 2015, 05:55:39 AM
Oh, I agree with you about that! But you can be right about a principle and wrong about a composition.

Bien sûr.

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 06:24:20 AM
Precisely, and people should not hide behind cloaks of self-righteousness by blaming James for what they do just as shamelessly themselves. If you're so weak that you can't take a little criticism of work you hold dear, then step aside and let the adults play. Perhaps the stuff you consider so "great" is not as good as you think it is, and perhaps you can learn from listening to others' comments.

After all, professional critics don't hesitate to say they think a work is worthy or not, and the world doesn't come to an end if a few sacred cows get poked here and there.

Exactly!  Isn't as if the professional critics were always right.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 07:47:46 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:31:29 AM
People are talking about James like he's gone.

He'll always be gone to me  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 07:48:47 AM
Quote from: Rinaldo on May 02, 2015, 06:40:54 AM
Not agreed. That's what I find genuinely sad - when someone who's been so open minded and enthusiastic about music that was angrily dismissed by cranky elitist geezers back when it was new.. becomes one himself.

Well, and part of why he was amusing is, how utterly tone-deaf he was to this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 07:49:46 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 06:50:02 AM
I wouldn't expect James to apologize for anything he's said [...]

No, his character is far too small for that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: chadfeldheimer on May 02, 2015, 07:52:58 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Otherwise, take the high road and if you are piqued by something he writes, then get over it and move on.

Quote from: karlhenning on May 02, 2015, 07:47:46 AM
He'll always be gone to me  8)
Well, that would be taking the high road I presume. ;-)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 02, 2015, 08:01:24 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 07:45:50 AM
Is that any better than being a cunt...

A bit better, but not much.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 08:05:15 AM
Quote from: chadfeldheimer on May 02, 2015, 07:52:58 AM
Well, that would be taking the high road I presume. ;-)

"We'll always have Pffffft!"
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:16:47 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 02, 2015, 08:01:24 AM
A bit better, but not much.

I just find it amusing (and instructive) that when James does certain things, the membership is up in arms, his posts are deleted, it's a capital crime, I'm insulted, etc., etc.; but when something similar is done to James, no one raises an eyebrow.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 02, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:16:47 AM
I just find it amusing (and instructive) that when James does certain things, the membership is up in arms, his posts are deleted, it's a capital crime, I'm insulted, etc., etc.; but when something similar is done to James, no one raises an eyebrow.

No, you don't get it. He's earned all this for his years of trolling. Mostly, I just ignore him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 02, 2015, 07:46:32 AM
Exactly!  Isn't as if the professional critics were always right.

There's no "right" or "wrong." Judgment of the value of a work or art is not provable like a theorem in math. What matters is the level of argument the critic provides. I don't, for example, agree with John Simon's opinion that Cries and Whispers is one of Ingmar Bergman's "weakest" films, but he provides a detailed review where he describes what he considers the film's problems. I think he misses the mark, but at least he's being responsible, and not just offering an offhand remark.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:21:57 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 02, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
No, you don't get it. He's earned all this for his years of trolling. Mostly, I just ignore him.

No, it's you who don't get it. See Cato's #1126 above.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 02, 2015, 08:26:01 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:21:57 AM
No, it's you who don't get it. See Cato's #1126 above.

I saw it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 08:40:23 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:20:20 AM
There's no "right" or "wrong." Judgment of the value of a work or art is not provable like a theorem in math. What matters is the level of argument the critic provides. I don't, for example, agree with John Simon's opinion that Cries and Whispers is one of Ingmar Bergman's "weakest" films, but he provides a detailed review where he describes what he considers the film's problems. I think he misses the mark, but at least he's being responsible, and not just offering an offhand remark.

Again, that's it exactly.  And part of James's amusement value has been, how he feels that his opinion on a work of art or on an artist, can be taken to the bank; and how the average level of his argument is on the order of "Glenn Gould sneers at Mozart, so we know that Mozart isn't worth much."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 02, 2015, 08:26:01 AM
I saw it.

If standards of conduct are to be applied, then they have to be applied dispassionately, and without concern for anyone's personal feelings about a member or for that matter the member's own conduct. Otherwise they are meaningless.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 02, 2015, 08:42:38 AM
I'm certain he loves all this attention. He's probably laughing his head off.

Hellooo, James.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 02, 2015, 08:43:14 AM
That's purely speculative.  We none of us can be sure that he has a head to laugh off.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 02, 2015, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:42:20 AM
If standards of conduct are to be applied, then they have to be applied dispassionately, and without concern for anyone's personal feelings about a member or for that matter the member's own conduct. Otherwise they are meaningless.

Sure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 02, 2015, 08:42:38 AM
I'm certain he loves all this attention. He's probably laughing his head off.

Hellooo, James.

That may or may not be the case. Every one of us who has participated in this discussion bears some responsibility for keeping it up, not least yourself or myself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 02, 2015, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 02, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
No, you don't get it. He's earned all this for his years of trolling. Mostly, I just ignore him.

Exact-a-mundo.


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on May 02, 2015, 06:17:47 PM
Exact-a-mundo.

My response to you is the same as to MNDave earlier today.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 02, 2015, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 02, 2015, 06:29:23 PM
My response to you is the same as to MNDave earlier today.

And I'm just as unconvinced as Dave, et al... :D


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on May 02, 2015, 07:46:14 PM
I don't understand why James's past transgressions "deserve" to be punished by people abusing him with insults. Are we all going Old Testament here, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? What happened to trying to stand above a conflict? Or trying to resolve it?

So long as James makes non-abusive posts, he should be welcome to the community. Period. And if he steps over those lines, there's no reason for us to abuse him back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 08:29:59 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 02, 2015, 07:46:14 PM
I don't understand why James's past transgressions "deserve" to be punished by people abusing him with insults. Are we all going Old Testament here, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? What happened to trying to stand above a conflict? Or trying to resolve it?

So long as James makes non-abusive posts, he should be welcome to the community. Period. And if he steps over those lines, there's no reason for us to abuse him back.

Oh dear....apparently you've never been on the receiving end of his personal attacks. Trying to stand above a conflict? Trying to resolve it? Have you ever even dealt with James before, Brian? It was his opinion or no opinion at all. You can't reason with a brick wall.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 02:50:51 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 02, 2015, 08:29:59 PM
Oh dear....apparently you've never been on the receiving end of his personal attacks. Trying to stand above a conflict? Trying to resolve it? Have you ever even dealt with James before, Brian? It was his opinion or no opinion at all. You can't reason with a brick wall.

Rise above it. You're granting him far too much power.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 02:52:43 AM
Quote from: Brian on May 02, 2015, 07:46:14 PM
I don't understand why James's past transgressions "deserve" to be punished by people abusing him with insults. Are we all going Old Testament here, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? What happened to trying to stand above a conflict? Or trying to resolve it?

So long as James makes non-abusive posts, he should be welcome to the community. Period. And if he steps over those lines, there's no reason for us to abuse him back.

Well, that's basically what I said. But MN Dave and Dancing are "unconvinced."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 03, 2015, 04:44:18 AM
He's delivered HUNDREDS of insults. He can take one back.  :) Man, get over it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 03, 2015, 05:40:32 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 03, 2015, 04:44:18 AM
He's delivered HUNDREDS of insults. He can take one back.  :) Man, get over it.

I am, as can be seen above, with poco on this topic, but Dave is right about this. First thing James said to me was to call me an idiot.
Possibly in reply to my post saying "Hello."  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 05:41:30 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 03, 2015, 04:44:18 AM
He's delivered HUNDREDS of insults. He can take one back.  :) Man, get over it.

I assure you I am "over it," whatever that means, and that l'affaire James is of no importance to me one way or the other. But it's amusing to point out how some people have no hesitation in employing the same tactics towards James that they complain of in him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 05:42:13 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 03, 2015, 05:40:32 AM
I am, as can be seen above, with poco on this topic, but Dave is right about this. First thing James said to me was to call me an idiot.
Possibly in reply to my post saying "Hello."  ;)

QED; you can hardly blame him.

(And I hope a smiley is not necessary, but you never know with this crowd.)  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 03, 2015, 05:46:11 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 05:41:30 AM
I assure you I am "over it," whatever that means, and that l'affaire James is of no importance to me one way or the other. But it's amusing to point out how some people have no hesitation in employing the same tactics towards James that they complain of in him.

If you see me using this tactic repeatedly (like James did), please let me know.

"...whatever that means..." See, you do the same thing, only more subtly. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 03, 2015, 05:50:01 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 05:42:13 AM
QED; you can hardly blame him.

(And I hope a smiley is not necessary, but you never know with this crowd.)  ;D

A smiley would hurt the joke. I always place the joke first. (And if that means James gets a seat ahead of me I can live with it.  ;D )
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on May 03, 2015, 05:54:10 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 03, 2015, 05:40:32 AM
I am, as can be seen above, with poco on this topic, but Dave is right about this. First thing James said to me was to call me an idiot.
Possibly in reply to my post saying "Hello."  ;)

Some men of a certain age, have issues.... ::)
As a member, I just avoid anyone that generates unpleasantness. No matter how interesting their posts sometimes are.

Of course in my role as a moderator things are different....

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 05:56:08 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 03, 2015, 05:46:11 AM
If you see me using this tactic repeatedly (like James did), please let me know.

"...whatever that means..." See, you do the same thing, only more subtly. :D

Of course. But subtlety is everything.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 05:56:38 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 03, 2015, 05:50:01 AM
A smiley would hurt the joke. I always place the joke first. (And if that means James gets a seat ahead of me I can live with it.  ;D )

Quite right. Forgive me for not trusting you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 06:31:36 AM
One last word (because I'm so over this): James's only real fault, besides over-rating Beethoven and confusing "i.e." and "e.g.," was heavy-handedness. We all have our shortcomings, and no one should ever mind being insulted so long as it's done with style. Of course the best insults are when the insultee thinks he's being complimented; i.e., WS Gilbert's remark to an actor after an execrable performance: "My dear fellow, good is not the word . . . ."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 03, 2015, 06:52:12 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 06:31:36 AM
We all have our shortcomings, and no one should ever mind being insulted so long as it's done with style.

Oh, I don't agree with this at all. Either you allow insults or you don't.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 07:03:45 AM
Quote from: MN Dave on May 03, 2015, 06:52:12 AM
Oh, I don't agree with this at all. Either you allow insults or you don't.

Such as saying James is a dick?  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 03, 2015, 07:04:25 AM
One final post about James:

I don't mind someone joking around with me and calling me 'idiot' or whatever as long as I know it's all in good fun, but the vindictiveness of his last post to me indicates he had no tact and, most of all, no class whatsoever. I'm frankly surprised that some people here are actually defending him. He trolled on this board all the time and I ignored him (most of the time) but any kind of reason I brought to the table when we did interact was pointless. I certainly will not miss him and I'm happy he 'left' (even though he's still registered).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jubal Slate on May 03, 2015, 07:06:49 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 07:03:45 AM
Such as saying James is a dick?  ;)

Exactly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 07:08:18 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 03, 2015, 07:04:25 AM
One final post about James:

I don't mind someone joking around with me and calling me 'idiot' or whatever as long as I know it's all in good fun, but the vindictiveness of his last post to me indicates he had no tact and, most of all, no class whatsoever. I'm frankly surprised that some people here are actually defending him. He trolled on this board all the time and I ignored him (most of the time) but any kind of reason I brought to the table when we did interact was pointless. I certainly will not miss him and I'm happy he 'left' (even though he's still registered).

Not defending him. Kidding around with a sense of style is one thing, heavy-handed vindictiveness another. He never really bothered me personally, but then I generally stood up to him on the few occasions we clashed.

Oh, I am so over this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on May 03, 2015, 08:31:03 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on May 03, 2015, 02:52:43 AM
Well, that's basically what I said. But MN Dave and Dancing are "unconvinced."

If it's your contention that I must be convinced then.....wait, what were we talking about?



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 04, 2015, 05:13:46 AM
What. Ever.

Am I the only one here who can think for himself?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 04, 2015, 08:29:14 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 04, 2015, 05:13:46 AM
What. Ever.

Am I the only one here who can think for himself?
No. You're also in charge of thinking for me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 04, 2015, 08:34:44 AM
If you read what I said . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 04, 2015, 08:40:14 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 04, 2015, 08:34:44 AM
If you read what I said . . . .
Bzzt. You're in charge of reading for me too.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 04, 2015, 08:45:59 AM
You need to get a life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on May 04, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on May 04, 2015, 08:45:59 AM
You need to get a life.
Fixed that for you.

pfffft
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on June 30, 2015, 06:50:28 PM
Dudes, my humblest apologies; I set out for the 14th Annual Rochester International Jazz Festival fully intending to report daily, but sadly, without my confoundedly complicated GMG and email passwords.  Since I don't own a blackberry or a strawberry or elderberry nor any other similarly fruitful device - nor do my parents, my hoteliers in Rochester, I was a Man With No Computer (this is the modern equivalent of a Man Without a Country or perhaps more aptly, this digital age is No Country for Old Men.   Will report on the Jazz Fest and CD purchases mañana .     
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 30, 2015, 07:36:50 PM
Welcome back, Zauber! I know what it's like to be 'a man without a computer' and it's certainly no fun! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 01, 2015, 03:29:52 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on June 30, 2015, 06:50:28 PM
Dudes, my humblest apologies; I set out for the 14th Annual Rochester International Jazz Festival fully intending to report daily, but sadly, without my confoundedly complicated GMG and email passwords.  Since I don't own a blackberry or a strawberry or elderberry nor any other similarly fruitful device - nor do my parents, my hoteliers in Rochester, I was a Man With No Computer (this is the modern equivalent of a Man Without a Country or perhaps more aptly, this digital age is No Country for Old Men.   Will report on the Jazz Fest and CD purchases mañana .     

Hope you made the best of a tech-less situation!  Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on July 01, 2015, 03:38:17 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on June 30, 2015, 06:50:28 PM
Dudes, my humblest apologies; I set out for the 14th Annual Rochester International Jazz Festival fully intending to report daily, but sadly, without my confoundedly complicated GMG and email passwords.  Since I don't own a blackberry or a strawberry or elderberry nor any other similarly fruitful device - nor do my parents, my hoteliers in Rochester, I was a Man With No Computer (this is the modern equivalent of a Man Without a Country or perhaps more aptly, this digital age is No Country for Old Men.   Will report on the Jazz Fest and CD purchases mañana .   

Great to know that you are back in action!  "Man With No Computer" sounds like it could be Karl's next work!  I can hear it now: a drone bass with a high wavering clarinet on Eb/E, and in the middle a lonely cor anglais singing a "beautiful melody"  ??? of lamentation...with a few mocking beeps and clicks muted trumpets.   ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on July 01, 2015, 04:25:14 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 30, 2015, 07:36:50 PM
Welcome back, Zauber! I know what it's like to be 'a man without a computer' and it's certainly no fun! :)

Thanks, John, some Stenhammer was purchased there, as below. My first and of course, "all your fault." :)  Looking forward to spinning this today.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 01, 2015, 04:27:44 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on July 01, 2015, 04:25:14 AM
Thanks, John, some Stenhammer was purchased there, as below. My first and of course, "all your fault." :)  Looking forward to spinning this today.

Hah! Let me know what you think of those recordings as this was Jarvi's 'remake' of these works, which I don't own.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on July 01, 2015, 04:29:24 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on July 01, 2015, 03:29:52 AM
Hope you made the best of a tech-less situation!  Welcome back!

The jazz filled in the interstices quite nicely, but missed you guys.  Karl, you need to be perform some of your work here.  Have you seen the (comparatively) new and acoustically perfect Hatch Hall?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on July 01, 2015, 04:32:12 AM
Quote from: Cato on July 01, 2015, 03:38:17 AM
Great to know that you are back in action!  "Man With No Computer" sounds like it could be Karl's next work!  I can hear it now: a drone bass with a high wavering clarinet on Eb/E, and in the middle a lonely cor anglais singing a "beautiful melody"  ??? of lamentation...with a few mocking beeps and clicks muted trumpets.   ;)

I like your idea!  Karl, go for it!!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 01, 2015, 04:36:53 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on July 01, 2015, 04:29:24 AM
The jazz filled in the interstices quite nicely, but missed you guys.  Karl, you need to be perform some of your work here.  Have you seen the (comparatively) new and acoustically perfect Hatch Hall?

I don't believe I have.  Well, a visit or two to Rochester is not at all an outrageous thought . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on August 09, 2015, 08:53:37 PM
Don (a.k.a. "Bulldog" and "Sammy") was online for the last time on June 22, 2015.

I hope he will come back soon!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on August 09, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: Gordo on August 09, 2015, 08:53:37 PM
Don (a.k.a. "Bulldog" and "Sammy") was online for the last time on June 22, 2015.

I hope he will come back soon!  :)

Since he tends to take a break now and then, I trust he will be back.  :)

I just hope he does change his username again, I can't  keep up with your guys! ???

:D

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 17, 2015, 03:02:20 PM
Quote from: Que on August 09, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Since he tends to take a break now and then, I trust he will be back.  :)

I just hope he does change his username again, I can't  keep up with your guys! ???

:D

Q

I seem to recall an incident 2-3 years ago where somebody made the same complaint and everyone on GMG changed their username 4-5 times in the next 12 hours! George was Sheriff Buford T. Justice...not sure about everyone else...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 18, 2015, 05:16:17 PM
For the record, my screen name has never changed. My avatar on the other hand...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 25, 2015, 06:36:55 PM
I haven't seen Peter (Moonfish) or Nate (EigenUser) around in awhile. I hope they're just busy with life stuff and nothing bad has happened.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 26, 2015, 02:54:27 AM
It is August  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 26, 2015, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on August 26, 2015, 02:54:27 AM
It is August  8)

True, the summer months do show a decline in forum activity, which is understandable. :) I wish I had a life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 26, 2015, 04:21:19 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 26, 2015, 02:50:15 PM
True, the summer months do show a decline in forum activity, which is understandable. :) I wish I had a life.

I've heard it's overrated... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on August 26, 2015, 05:38:55 PM
Coopmv (Stuart) though I can catch him on another board.
jwinter (Bill)
DavidW (The Doctor!)
David Ross
Chambernut (Ray)...but just saw him back!  :)
toledobass (Allan)....he pops up now and then.

If any of the above are using a new handle, I missed it and apologize.

Miss 'em all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on September 02, 2015, 07:26:57 PM
Moonfish, where are you? I need to thank you for motivating me to get that Martinon box.


(He did check in three days ago.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 03, 2015, 03:38:57 AM
I suspect it is mostly a matter of summer & family, but Andrei has been quiet some little while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 06, 2015, 05:56:59 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 03, 2015, 03:38:57 AM
I suspect it is mostly a matter of summer & family, but Andrei has been quiet some little while.

Nice to see that I am missed.  :)

Summer, family and a recurrent lack of interest. Don't worry, though, I'll be back soon. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 06, 2015, 06:42:28 AM
Whenever you wish, mon cher.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 06, 2015, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: Florestan on September 06, 2015, 05:56:59 AM
Nice to see that I am missed.  :)

Summer, family and a recurrent lack of interest. Don't worry, though, I'll be back soon.

Lack of interest? In moi??
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 07, 2015, 05:07:48 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 06, 2015, 12:02:57 PM
Lack of interest? In moi??

En fait, tu es qui?  ;D  :P >:D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 15, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Me.
I have decided there are too many here who willfully distort and misrepresent. SO after this post I am deleting my account.
Farewell to most of you, in particular Andrei, Karl, Al, Leo, and both Gregs, whom I have enjoyed discussions with.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 15, 2015, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: Ken B on October 15, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Me.
I have decided there are too many here who willfully distort and misrepresent. SO after this post I am deleting my account.
Farewell to most of you, in particular Andrei, Karl, Al, Leo, and both Gregs, whom I have enjoyed discussions with.
??? :'(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 15, 2015, 12:55:37 PM
Ken couldn't resist the siren song of the politics thread, nor the temptation to bait others with his retrograde views and his slippery "debate" tactics.

Too bad, he was a fun poster when he talked about music, and was a source of some great recommendations for me. And, of course, I'll never be able to listen to La mer without dedicating the listen to him. ;)

EDIT: Just want to say I also hope he comes back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 15, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: Ken B on October 15, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Me.
I have decided there are too many here who willfully distort and misrepresent. SO after this post I am deleting my account.
Farewell to most of you, in particular Andrei, Karl, Al, Leo, and both Gregs, whom I have enjoyed discussions with.

This is a -1.
Hope Ken keeps in touch or returns soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 15, 2015, 01:34:47 PM
Just stumbled on this great old post. It made me laugh and smile:
Quote from: Ken B on June 06, 2015, 09:52:13 PM
I remember the first time I ventured beyond reading the SDCBT I saw table pounding, popcorn munching, pfffting, men named after pastries, and a rapidly changing picture labeled as a "mirror image." I feared I had wandered into a den of loons. But at least, I told myself, no sign yet that they are La Mer aficionados.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 15, 2015, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: Ken B on October 15, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Me.
I have decided there are too many here who willfully distort and misrepresent. SO after this post I am deleting my account.
Farewell to most of you, in particular Andrei, Karl, Al, Leo, and both Gregs, whom I have enjoyed discussions with.

Does that mean I shouldn't post a review of the Cumberbatch Hamlet?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on October 15, 2015, 02:59:40 PM
Quote from: Gordo on August 09, 2015, 08:53:37 PM
Don (a.k.a. "Bulldog" and "Sammy") was online for the last time on June 22, 2015.

I hope he will come back soon!  :)

And I have now returned.  I had a password problem and didn't get around to fixing it until just a couple of minutes ago.  In tribute to my older dog Sammy, I'll remain a Sammy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 15, 2015, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on October 15, 2015, 02:45:42 PM
Does that mean I shouldn't post a review of the Cumberbatch Hamlet?
There are plenty of folks interested in reading it, (poco).

Quote from: Sammy on October 15, 2015, 02:59:40 PM
And I have now returned.  I had a password problem and didn't get around to fixing it until just a couple of minutes ago.  In tribute to my older dog Sammy, I'll remain a Sammy.
Hooray!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2015, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Sammy on October 15, 2015, 02:59:40 PM
And I have now returned.  I had a password problem and didn't get around to fixing it until just a couple of minutes ago.  In tribute to my older dog Sammy, I'll remain a Sammy.

Welcome back, Sammy. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2015, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: Ken B on October 15, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Me.
I have decided there are too many here who willfully distort and misrepresent. SO after this post I am deleting my account.
Farewell to most of you, in particular Andrei, Karl, Al, Leo, and both Gregs, whom I have enjoyed discussions with.

I think leaving because of some political disagreement, or whatever is was, is completely ridiculous. Everyone has a different POV, why you couldn't just deal with it, I simply won't understand, but if you feel you'll better serve another music forum or whatever, then best of luck to you. These are the very reasons why I avoid political and religious discussions --- they end up leaving a bad taste in people's mouth. You should have saved your energies and posted on a political forum and just posted about music here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 15, 2015, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: Sammy on October 15, 2015, 02:59:40 PM
And I have now returned.  I had a password problem and didn't get around to fixing it until just a couple of minutes ago.  In tribute to my older dog Sammy, I'll remain a Sammy.
Hooray indeed!

And I for one (or rather, for another) eagerly await (p)Sfz's report.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 15, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: North Star on October 15, 2015, 03:06:24 PM
There are plenty of folks interested in reading it, (poco).

Soon. While all you guys were sitting around insulting each other, I was watching some overzealous director insult Shakespeare.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 15, 2015, 07:12:06 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on October 15, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
Soon. While all you guys were sitting around insulting each other, I was watching some overzealous director insult Shakespeare.

Sounds like a interesting review is in the offing, even if the play was not interesting.

Welcome back, Sammy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 15, 2015, 09:54:46 PM
Hooray to Sammys return.

And leaving a classical music board on account of political discussions, seems strange. Stay away from them, I say, and remember that is not why you joined the board.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on October 15, 2015, 10:53:00 PM
While I did not follow the thread(s) that apparently caused Ken to leave in anger, I am surprised. I had the impression that he was more likely to cause someone else to leave because he usually did not hold back his opinion on about everything and sometimes in pungent words (and those snide remarks on La Mer got old rather quickly), but he seemed also to be able to "take some fire".
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on October 15, 2015, 10:54:47 PM
Thanks for the greetings.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Camphy on October 15, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on October 15, 2015, 10:53:00 PM
While I did not follow the thread(s) that apparently caused Ken to leave in anger, I am surprised. I had the impression that he was more likely to cause someone else to leave because he usually did not hold back his opinion on about everything and sometimes in pungent words (and those snide remarks on La Mer got old rather quickly), but he seemed also to be able to "take some fire".

Agreed, and although the reactions above concerning political discussions are perfectly reasonable, KenB didn't mention anything other than wilful misrepresentation and distortion. Perhaps he meant something else too. 

Speaking about missing members: I missed RebLem's extensive posts in the Listening thread. Apparently he hasn't checked in for over two months.

Welcome back, Sammy. Always a pleasure to see someone join or return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 16, 2015, 04:27:21 AM
Great to see you return, Don!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 16, 2015, 04:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 15, 2015, 07:12:06 PM
Sounds like a interesting review is in the offing, even if the play was not interesting.

The play is interesting. The direction was appalling.

I love La Mer.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on October 16, 2015, 04:50:23 AM
I really don't want Ken B to ride (gallop?) into the sunset - we agreed on most music-related things, La Mer being one amusing exception.  And who will defend Philip Glass, besides myself?  I believe he made a point of nurturing new GMG members and he has comic gifts - I hope his 'exit' is just one of those. I will sorely miss him. Besides, he still owes me a thread on his experiences as a classical music director.  Maybe we could tempt him back with an offer of butter tarts, he likes those.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 16, 2015, 04:52:41 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on October 16, 2015, 04:50:23 AM
And who will defend Philip Glass, besides myself?

Sean.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on October 16, 2015, 04:56:03 AM
I'll be glad for the company of one. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 16, 2015, 04:57:31 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on October 16, 2015, 04:56:03 AM
I'll be glad for the company of one. :)

And Greg (Monkey Greg).  Also a Philip Glass fan.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 16, 2015, 05:00:56 AM
I do hope Ken will reconsider his decision and come back soon. I miss him already.

Sammy, welcome back, glad to see you again!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 16, 2015, 05:12:48 AM
Glad Sammy-Don is back; one of my long-time favorites.

As for Ken, he will come or go as he sees fit, as have thousands before him and thousands more hence. As I would have counseled him if he had asked: keep your ass out of political discussions and you won't get it bitten. Same to all of y'all.  $:)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 16, 2015, 05:25:22 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 16, 2015, 05:12:48 AM
Glad Sammy-Don is back; one of my long-time favorites.

As for Ken, he will come or go as he sees fit, as have thousands before him and thousands more hence. As I would have counseled him if he had asked: keep your ass out of political discussions and you won't get it bitten. Same to all of y'all.  $:)

8)

Discuss you ne'er so wisely, there's some teeth, somewhere, ready to latch onto yer hind quarters.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 16, 2015, 05:48:02 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2015, 05:25:22 AM
Discuss you ne'er so wisely, there's some teeth, somewhere, ready to latch onto yer hind quarters.

+1 - Roger that. Brings us back to Poco's Hamlet, I reckon... :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 16, 2015, 07:25:48 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on October 16, 2015, 04:50:23 AM
And who will defend Philip Glass, besides myself?
GS Moeller, ComposerOfAvantGarde, and me. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mr. Three Putt on October 16, 2015, 09:45:29 AM
Quote from: Brian on October 16, 2015, 07:25:48 AM
GS Moeller, ComposerOfAvantGarde, and me. :)

I refuse to defend Glass. As my favorite living composer, I'm happy to promote him and ignore those who slight him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 16, 2015, 09:46:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Three Putt on October 16, 2015, 09:45:29 AM
I refuse to defend Glass. As my favorite living composer [....]

This is only because you need to hear more Henning.  No, but I mean it  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 16, 2015, 09:47:20 AM
Mais, un peu sérieusement . . .

Quote from: Mr. Three Putt on October 16, 2015, 09:45:29 AM
. . . I'm happy to promote him and ignore those who slight him.

This is the right idea, absolutely.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mr. Three Putt on October 16, 2015, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2015, 09:46:22 AM
This is only because you need to hear more Henning.  No, but I mean it  8)

I intend to, and you seem perfectly capable of defending yourself. For the record, I've already promoted you in my own circles, small as they may be.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 16, 2015, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Three Putt on October 16, 2015, 09:57:07 AM
I intend to, and you seem perfectly capable of defending yourself. For the record, I've already promoted you in my own circles, small as they may be.

I am touched, and I thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: zamyrabyrd on October 19, 2015, 10:23:23 PM
Dear GMG, Thanks for the birthday greeting!
"Tempus fugit, better to fill it with music!"
(trying to think of something witty to say...)
ZB
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 20, 2015, 01:35:37 AM
Woo-hoo! Hi, ZB!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 20, 2015, 02:47:55 AM
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on October 19, 2015, 10:23:23 PM
Dear GMG, Thanks for the birthday greeting!
"Tempus fugit, better to fill it with music!"
(trying to think of something witty to say...)
ZB

Quote from: karlhenning on October 20, 2015, 01:35:37 AM
Woo-hoo! Hi, ZB!



The byrd, byrd, byrd is the word.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Camphy on October 20, 2015, 02:50:39 AM
Quote from: Camphy on October 15, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Speaking about missing members: I missed RebLem's extensive posts in the Listening thread. Apparently he hasn't checked in for over two months.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 07, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
Say, where's our Bill (Bogey)?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 07, 2015, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 07, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
Say, where's our Bill (Bogey)?

Two months since last active. That is disturbing.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 07, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
Quote from: Camphy on October 15, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Speaking about missing members: I missed RebLem's extensive posts in the Listening thread. Apparently he hasn't checked in for over two months.

His latest post in CMG was sent 25.10.15.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Camphy on November 07, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 07, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
His latest post in CMG was sent 25.10.15.

Sorry, what is CMG? Or do you mean GMG? RebLem's profile indicates that he hasn't checked in since August 4th.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: Camphy on November 07, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
Sorry, what is CMG? Or do you mean GMG? RebLem's profile indicates that he hasn't checked in since August 4th.
CMG is another forum with a different crowd of visitors.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Camphy on November 07, 2015, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 07, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
CMG is another forum with a different crowd of visitors.

Ah, thanks for the clarification, Brian.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 07, 2015, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 07, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
Say, where's our Bill (Bogey)?

All is well in Colorado, Karl and Sarge and saw your calls from the Pulse, Karl.   Just a break from posting here. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 07, 2015, 02:38:10 PM
Excellent news, Bill!  A break cannot be bad.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 07, 2015, 02:48:38 PM
Thanks for checking in, Bill. You know how I worry  ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
Hooray, Bill is back! At least for the moment. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 07, 2015, 08:05:08 PM
Quote from: Brian on November 07, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
CMG is another forum with a different crowd of visitors.

And some overlaps. I always refer to it as "That Other Board."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 08, 2015, 02:11:23 AM
Quote from: Camphy on November 07, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
Sorry, what is CMG? Or do you mean GMG? RebLem's profile indicates that he hasn't checked in since August 4th.

This:
http://classicalmusicguide.com/viewforum.php?f=10
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on November 08, 2015, 04:49:38 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 07, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
Hooray, Bill is back! At least for the moment. :)

Well, thanks for the Hooray, Brian. :)  Another reason I stopped posting a bit is that I let the classical collection collect some dust for a couple months.  I really hit the lounge and exotica stuff and a bit of jazz, though this was through a local jazz radio station here.  Great for sampling and discovering new music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: jochanaan on November 08, 2015, 07:11:20 AM
Quote from: Bogey on November 08, 2015, 04:49:38 AM
Well, thanks for the Hooray, Brian. :)  Another reason I stopped posting a bit is that I let the classical collection collect some dust for a couple months.  I really hit the lounge and exotica stuff and a bit of jazz, though this was through a local jazz radio station here.  Great for sampling and discovering new music.
Have you found our new jazz forum yet? 8) Never mind; it seems you have. :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Camphy on November 10, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 08, 2015, 02:11:23 AM
This:
http://classicalmusicguide.com/viewforum.php?f=10

Thanks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 10, 2015, 02:46:10 AM
Quote from: Camphy on November 10, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Thanks.

There is a new post (about opera) from RebLem in CMG yesterday.
So I think we do not need to worry.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on November 10, 2015, 02:56:39 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 10, 2015, 02:46:10 AM
There is a new post (about opera) from RebLem in CMG yesterday.
So I think we do not need to worry.
He posted here as well. Long one on Rossini.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Camphy on November 10, 2015, 03:01:22 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 10, 2015, 02:46:10 AM
There is a new post (about opera) from RebLem in CMG yesterday.
So I think we do not need to worry.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on November 10, 2015, 02:56:39 AM
He posted here as well. Long one on Rossini.

Good to know.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 10, 2015, 12:18:23 PM
Has anyone heard from Scots John a.k.a. John of Scotland in the last months?

The profile statistics say he was last here in late July.

I hope he is doing well, but usually an absence like this means he is suffering after-effects from his accident.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 10, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
I do hope Scots John returns. Really like that guy and he's been nothing but nice to me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 11, 2015, 03:57:06 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 10, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
I do hope Scots John returns. Really like that guy and he's been nothing but nice to me.

I will send him an e-mail today: he also has a FaceBook page, but no activity there either. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2015, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: Cato on December 11, 2015, 03:57:06 AM
I will send him an e-mail today: he also has a FaceBook page, but no activity there either.

I, too, am friends with him on Facebook.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 13, 2015, 05:26:59 PM
Where in the world has Nate (EigenUser) been? It's not like him to not post and I don't buy for a second that he's run out of things say about music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 15, 2015, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 11, 2015, 06:08:15 PM
I, too, am friends with him on Facebook.
Me too - a great guy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on December 18, 2015, 08:01:27 AM
What's this, "Greg" has resigned from GMG and no one even seems to notice this momentous event? He was the dean of the board, the epitome of GMG and now he is gone. What's left? A bunch of vainglorious posts about how someone who was music director of the Vienna Philharmonic doesn't know how to play Mozart?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on December 18, 2015, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 13, 2015, 05:26:59 PM
Where in the world has Nate (EigenUser) been? It's not like him to not post and I don't buy for a second that he's run out of things say about music.

Very concerned about him myself.  Someone posted recently how "GMGers come and go" (or words to that effect) and not to be disappointed when they disappear, but damn', I gets used to folks and accustomed to their ways, however peculiar, and well, grows to like 'em. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on December 18, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on December 18, 2015, 08:01:27 AM
What's this, "Greg" has resigned from GMG and no one even seems to notice this momentous event? He was the dean of the board, the epitome of GMG and now he is gone. What's left? A bunch of vainglorious posts about how someone who was music director of the Vienna Philharmonic doesn't know how to play Mozart?
They say that when you don't have something nice to say about someone...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on December 18, 2015, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on December 18, 2015, 08:01:27 AM
What's this, "Greg" has resigned from GMG and no one even seems to notice this momentous event? He was the dean of the board, the epitome of GMG and now he is gone. What's left? A bunch of vainglorious posts about how someone who was music director of the Vienna Philharmonic doesn't know how to play Mozart?


If it is Greg the anime and hard metal lover...he himself announced it, on the grounds that classical music had taken a back seat in his listening habits for now....

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 18, 2015, 09:36:11 AM
But . . . I wanna hear his new waltz.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on December 18, 2015, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 18, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
They say that when you don't have something nice to say about someone...

Absolutely right, mum's the word.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on December 18, 2015, 08:36:40 AM
Very concerned about him myself.  Someone posted recently how "GMGers come and go" (or words to that effect) and not to be disappointed when they disappear, but damn', I gets used to folks and accustomed to their ways, however peculiar, and well, grows to like 'em.

If I like a member and have conversed with them a good bit, then, naturally, I'm going to feel some kind of void I think. He was posting at a rapid pace at one time, but I just hope everything is okay with him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on December 19, 2015, 02:41:22 AM
I tried to contact John some days ago on Facebook, but he didn't respond. Hope he's well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 19, 2015, 04:09:08 AM
Quote from: Henk on December 19, 2015, 02:41:22 AM
I tried to contact John some days ago on Facebook, but he didn't respond. Hope he's well.

Same here: I also sent a letter via e-mail, but nothing yet.

John has gone through phases, where there are bursts of energy, and then nothing for months.  One of his longest bursts was during the writing of a script about Hans Rott, for which I translated a good number of German documents about Rott for him, and advised him on the construction of the script.

But that was more than several years ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on December 19, 2015, 06:04:43 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 18, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
If I like a member and have conversed with them a good bit, then, naturally, I'm going to feel some kind of void I think. He was posting at a rapid pace at one time, but I just hope everything is okay with him.

I've decided to fill that void with imaginary (but still remotely possible) dénouements for missing members.  In Nate's case, I'm convinced that Boulez discovered him and has hired him as an assistant (he likes to carry around scores with him wherever he goes and has gotten too old for that and Nate's perfect for the job).  Though it does gnaw somewhat that now he has made the grade he hasn't time for his old friends...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 19, 2015, 06:24:18 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on December 19, 2015, 06:04:43 AM
I've decided to fill that void with imaginary (but still remotely possible) dénouements for missing members.  In Nate's case, I'm convinced that Boulez discovered him and has hired him as an assistant (he likes to carry around scores with him wherever he goes and has gotten too old for that and Nate's perfect for the job).  Though it does gnaw somewhat that now he has made the grade he hasn't time for his old friends...

:D Hah!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 19, 2015, 06:25:53 AM
As long as, when Boulez calls for a score, Nate teases him by handing over some other score . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on December 19, 2015, 06:38:48 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 19, 2015, 06:25:53 AM
As long as, when Boulez calls for a score, Nate teases him by handing over some other score . . . .


:) ;D :laugh:
That's ok, the master has an explosive temper, Nate gets fired and has time to post again and resume his engineering career.  Everything works out in the wash.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 19, 2015, 06:42:58 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on December 19, 2015, 06:25:53 AM
As long as, when Boulez calls for a score, Nate teases him by handing over some other score . . . .

I don´t think that Boulez would actually be able to notice that...  >:D >:D >:D  ;D ;D ;D  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 19, 2015, 06:48:26 AM
And Nate gets points for knowing how to push Pierre's boutons.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 13, 2015, 05:26:59 PM
Where in the world has Nate (EigenUser) been?
Right here! :)

Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on December 19, 2015, 06:04:43 AM
I've decided to fill that void with imaginary (but still remotely possible) dénouements for missing members.  In Nate's case, I'm convinced that Boulez discovered him and has hired him as an assistant (he likes to carry around scores with him wherever he goes and has gotten too old for that and Nate's perfect for the job).  Though it does gnaw somewhat that now he has made the grade he hasn't time for his old friends...
:laugh: HAHAHAHA this is the best story ever (but RIP Boulez... :().

I'm not at all happy about the Ken B. and Greg situations, though. That really is disappointing. I always wished Greg posted more about classical music, but people move on -- I get it. Ken, on the other hand, made so many good recommendations. We disagreed on a lot, but I enjoyed reading what he wrote. Plus, he got all of my annoying math jokes.

In memory of Ken:
https://www.youtube.com/v/FOCucJw7iT8

>:D >:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Super Blood Moon on January 08, 2016, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
I always wished Greg posted more about classical music, but people move on -- I get it.

Greg moved on? Why?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Super Blood Moon on January 08, 2016, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on December 18, 2015, 09:34:01 AM

If it is Greg the anime and hard metal lover...he himself announced it, on the grounds that classical music had taken a back seat in his listening habits for now....

Never mind. Greg's gone metal. Sensible enough. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on January 08, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: Super Blood Moon on January 08, 2016, 12:30:33 PM
Never mind. Greg's gone metal. Sensible enough. ;)

;D  Honestly, I read this as Greg's gone mental, first go around.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Super Blood Moon on January 08, 2016, 12:56:54 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on January 08, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
;D  Honestly, I read this as Greg's gone mental, first go around.  :laugh:

Same thing. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 08, 2016, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Super Blood Moon on January 08, 2016, 12:56:54 PM
Same thing. ;)

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on January 08, 2016, 02:42:28 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 08, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
Right here! :)


Voyez, tous!  Son maître mort, il est revenu!  And welcome back, Nate!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 08, 2016, 04:46:41 PM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on January 08, 2016, 02:42:28 PM
Voyez, tous!  Son maître mort, il est revenu!  And welcome back, Nate!

+ 1

It's nice to have Nate back in the saddle again certainly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 09, 2016, 03:51:16 AM
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on January 08, 2016, 02:42:28 PM
Voyez, tous!  Son maître mort, il est revenu!

Esperons qu´il n´est pas revenant...  :D




(sorry, Nate, couldn´t resist)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 09, 2016, 05:28:22 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 09, 2016, 03:51:16 AM
Esperons qu´il n´est pas revenant...  :D




(sorry, Nate, couldn´t resist)
Filling in for Ken, I see...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 09, 2016, 06:38:00 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 09, 2016, 05:28:22 AM
Filling in for Ken, I see...

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 09, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: Florestan on January 09, 2016, 06:38:00 AM
:laugh:
I'll take it from here. Changed my avatar to his razor thing and added an unflattering quote about La Mer.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 09, 2016, 07:53:39 PM
Oh jeez...that avatar. Oh boy. Can I somehow persuade you to go back to the Ligeti, Nate? There's a nice, shiny trinket involved if you do. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on January 09, 2016, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 09, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
I'll take it from here. Changed my avatar to his razor thing and added an unflattering quote about La Mer.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I like Kenate's new (old) look!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 10, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
Where is Elgarian?!?!??!?!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: jochanaan on January 10, 2016, 07:33:50 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 10, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
Where is Elgarian?!?!??!?!
Very active on a particular philosophical discussion about music. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 10, 2016, 08:15:19 AM
Quote from: jochanaan on January 10, 2016, 07:33:50 AM
Very active on a particular philosophical discussion about music. 8)
He deactivated his account!

If anybody has Elgarian's email address, care to PM it to me?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 10, 2016, 08:51:01 AM
I started a poll on Elgarian and can only hope he comes back. His posts are thoughtful, intelligent, and rewarding to read.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 10, 2016, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 09, 2016, 07:53:39 PM
Oh jeez...that avatar. Oh boy. Can I somehow persuade you to go back to the Ligeti, Nate? There's a nice, shiny trinket involved if you do. :D
Well, not yet, but how's this for now?

Besides, what was wrong with the razor?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 10, 2016, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on January 10, 2016, 02:37:37 PM
Well, not yet, but how's this for now?

Besides, what was wrong with the razor?

I'm just joshing with you, Nate. :) Your new avatar is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on January 20, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
Elgarian is gone! Gasp!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 20, 2016, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on January 20, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
Elgarian is gone! Gasp!

This is news to you? Where have you been?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 20, 2016, 05:25:58 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 20, 2016, 04:46:37 PM
This is news to you? Where have you been?
Scarpia isn't as compulsive about reading GMG all day as you or I. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 20, 2016, 05:27:01 PM
Quote from: Brian on January 20, 2016, 05:25:58 PM
Scarpia isn't as compulsive about reading GMG all day as you or I. :)

No argument there! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on January 20, 2016, 05:48:15 PM
Quote from: Brian on January 20, 2016, 05:25:58 PM
Scarpia isn't as compulsive about reading GMG all day as you or I. :)

John is watching every words from everyone, just like a censorship agent in China.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 20, 2016, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: springrite on January 20, 2016, 05:48:15 PM
John is watching every words from everyone...

Including you, Paul! Haha! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: revdrdave on January 23, 2016, 05:44:25 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 10, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
Where is Elgarian?!?!??!?!

I've been watching to see if he returns but no sign of anything. He disappeared for a period of time a couple years ago due to health issues. I hope that's not the case now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 23, 2016, 05:45:18 AM
Quote from: revdrdave on January 23, 2016, 05:44:25 AM
I've been watching to see if he returns but no sign of anything. He disappeared for a period of time a couple years ago due to health issues. I hope that's not the case now.
Nothing to do with health reasons, he just got fed up with a discussion and left. I hope he'll return eventually.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: revdrdave on January 23, 2016, 05:48:42 AM
Quote from: North Star on January 23, 2016, 05:45:18 AM
Nothing to do with health reasons, he just got fed up with a discussion and left. I hope he'll return eventually.

Thanks for the update, North Star. I'm relieved to hear health is not the issue. On the other hand, that must've been some discussion if it caused him to deactivate his account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 23, 2016, 06:50:16 AM
I can perhaps understand people getting upset and leaving GMG temporarily, but I don't understand the need to deactivate one's own account in the process.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 23, 2016, 06:50:52 AM
Quote from: North Star on January 23, 2016, 05:45:18 AM
Nothing to do with health reasons, he just got fed up with a discussion and left. I hope he'll return eventually.

I don't know how much Elgarian is comfortable with me sharing publicly about why he left (since he certainly did not make the reasons public himself), but that discussion was not the direct cause.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on January 28, 2016, 05:57:17 PM
Does anyone know why our esteemed resident dragon has suddenly changed to non resident?

ZD7 is now listed as "guest"

  ???  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on January 29, 2016, 02:06:19 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 28, 2016, 05:57:17 PM
Does anyone know why our esteemed resident dragon has suddenly changed to non resident?

ZD7 is now listed as "guest"

  ???  :(

Full disclosure: I am not in the know on this one.

But perhaps the answer might be found on the "Unpopular opions" thread, with a "pretty" comment on Medtner fans....

It seems Star Wars turned  into a real war...good job, guys!  :D  ???

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 29, 2016, 02:22:08 AM
Quote from: Cato on December 19, 2015, 04:09:08 AM
Same here: I also sent a letter via e-mail, but nothing yet.

John has gone through phases, where there are bursts of energy, and then nothing for months.  One of his longest bursts was during the writing of a script about Hans Rott, for which I translated a good number of German documents about Rott for him, and advised him on the construction of the script.

But that was more than several years ago.

He was active on FB some days ago. A pity he doesn't reply however, let's just respect that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 29, 2016, 02:34:16 AM
Quote from: Que on January 29, 2016, 02:06:19 AM
Full disclosure: I am not in the know on this one.

But perhaps the answer might be found on the "Unpopular opions" thread, with a "prety" comment on Medtner fans....

It seems Star Wars turned  into a real war...good job, guys!  :D  ???

Q
What, it wasn't a 'Start Wars' thread?  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 05:38:52 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 28, 2016, 05:57:17 PM
Does anyone know why our esteemed resident dragon has suddenly changed to non resident?

ZD7 is now listed as "guest"

  ???  :(

Oh, no! Not again!

First Elgarian, now ZauberdrachenNr7. This forum loses valuable members at an alarming rate.

Quote from: Que on January 29, 2016, 02:06:19 AM
Full disclosure: I am not in the know on this one.

But perhaps the answer might be found on the "Unpopular opions" thread, with a "pretty" comment on Medtner fans....

I cannot find that comment. Has it been removed by its author or by the mods?



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 05:50:42 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 05:38:52 AM
Oh, no! Not again!

First Elgarian, now ZauberdrachenNr7. This forum loses valuable members at an alarming rate.

I cannot find that comment. Has it been removed by its author or by the mods?

The message is where the now popular "vapid banality" originated; it was a response to poco calling Havergal Brian the Ultimate Faker. It is gone now...at least I couldn't find it.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 29, 2016, 05:51:26 AM
Quote from: Henk on January 29, 2016, 02:22:08 AM
He was active on FB some days ago. A pity he doesn't reply however, let's just respect that.

I will need to check his page: thanks for the "heads-up."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 29, 2016, 05:54:30 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 05:50:42 AM
The message is where the now popular "vapid banality" originated; it was a response to poco calling Havergal Brian the Ultimate Faker. It is gone now...at least I couldn't find it.

Sarge

Hmmm!  "Cloudy cloudiness" has never become popular for some reason, and neither has "final death."  Goodness knows I have tried...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 29, 2016, 05:55:51 AM
Baron Munchausen does not hesitate to recommend the experience of Death!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 05:57:20 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 29, 2016, 05:54:30 AM
Hmmm!  "Cloudy cloudiness" has never become popular for some reason, and neither has "final death."  Goodness knows I have tried...

;D :D ;D ...apparently there is some music that just calls for a redundant pejorative.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 29, 2016, 05:58:58 AM
The beautiful artist in my life chuckles over the marketing slogan: The Freedom of Liberty.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 05:59:34 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 05:50:42 AM
The message is where the now popular "vapid banality" originated; it was a response to poco calling Havergal Brian the Ultimate Faker. It is gone now...at least I couldn't find it.

I am really bewildered. I take it that the response, and the subseqiuent ZD7´s departure, had something to do with calling Medtner´s music "vapid banality"?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 29, 2016, 06:00:45 AM
No, IIRC that phrase was cast at Havergal B.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 29, 2016, 06:04:19 AM
Some monsieur did cast that rock hard stone at Medtner, too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 06:07:26 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 05:59:34 AM
I am really bewildered. I take it that the response, and the subseqiuent ZD7´s departure, had something to do with calling Medtner´s music "vapid banality"?

It's just speculation at this point. I haven't heard anyone say with authority why the dragon left.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 06:11:41 AM
Quote from: North Star on January 29, 2016, 06:04:19 AM
Some monsieur did cast that rock hard stone at Medtner, too.

Ah, that makes it crystal clear, thank you. Why am I not bewildered anymore, I wonder?  ;D

I do hope ZD7 will come back and so will Elgarian.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on January 29, 2016, 06:12:00 AM
I didn't see anything particularly annoying in those "stones" (pebbles, rather  ;)) allegedly flung at Brian and / or Medtner. I do wish ZD7 comes back (if he has actually left), because his contributions were great reads and he had a contagious enthuiasm...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 29, 2016, 06:14:51 AM
Quote from: ritter on January 29, 2016, 06:12:00 AM
I didn't see anything particularly annoying in those "stones" (pebbles, rather  ;)) allegedly flung at Brian and / or Medtner. I do wish ZD7 comes back (if he has actually left), because his contributions were great reads and he had a contageous enthuiasm...
Agreed; if anything, they were as brittle as dry clay when they hit anything (mostly the ground next to the barn).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 06:16:06 AM
Quote from: ritter on January 29, 2016, 06:12:00 AM
I didn't see anything particularly annoying in those "stones" (pebbles, rather  ;)) allegedly flung at Brian and / or Medtner.

I'm one of the Havergalians (or Brianites) and poco's comment about Brian didn't bother me. Of course we fans have developed very thick hides as a necessity  8)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 06:17:39 AM
Quote from: ritter on January 29, 2016, 06:12:00 AM
I didn't see anything particularly annoying in those "stones" (pebbles, rather  ;)) allegedly flung at Brian and / or Medtner.

Well, some people can really by annoyed by having (one of) their favorite composer(s) called this or that. I don´t see it as a good reason to leave GMG, though.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on January 29, 2016, 06:23:00 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 06:17:39 AM
Well, some people can really by annoyed by having (one of) their favorite composer(s) called this or that. I don´t see it as a good reason to leave GMG, though.
We Boulezians have developed a really thick skin  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 29, 2016, 06:23:35 AM
Boulezians have a thick skin right out of the womb  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 29, 2016, 06:24:51 AM
If you think their skin is thick, we need a new adjective to describe their heads. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 06:27:01 AM
Quote from: ritter on January 29, 2016, 06:23:00 AM
We Boulezians have developed a really thick skin  ;)

That is nothing compared to the skin of Dittersdorfians.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 29, 2016, 06:27:17 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 29, 2016, 05:59:34 AM
I am really bewildered. I take it that the response, and the subseqiuent ZD7´s departure, had something to do with calling Medtner´s music "vapid banality"?

Quote from: karlhenning on January 29, 2016, 06:00:45 AM
No, IIRC that phrase was cast at Havergal B.

Oh the humidity!

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 05:57:20 AM
;D :D ;D ...apparently there is some music that just calls for a redundant pejorative.  ;D

Minimalism?  It's pretty redundant!   :laugh:

Quote from: karlhenning on January 29, 2016, 05:58:58 AM
The beautiful artist in my life chuckles over the marketing slogan: The Freedom of Liberty.

Speaking of slogans, Ford Automotive has a campaign where the slogan has the word...

"unstoppable."  ??? ??? ???   Maybe not the best word to describe a car or its driver!  8)


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on January 29, 2016, 06:49:14 AM
Quote from: North Star on January 29, 2016, 06:24:51 AM
If you think their skin is thick, we need a new adjective to describe their heads. ;)
Our skin may be thick, but our patience has a limit.... >:(...

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 29, 2016, 06:58:39 AM
Boulez has had patience?  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on January 29, 2016, 07:21:30 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 29, 2016, 05:51:26 AM
I will need to check his page: thanks for the "heads-up."

He became friends on FB with someone, it's not on his time-line.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 29, 2016, 07:22:14 AM
Very sad to see ZD7 gone. Come back, ZD7!

I wonder if the reason for his departure was a malicious PM.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on January 29, 2016, 07:49:03 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 29, 2016, 07:22:14 AM
Very sad to see ZD7 gone. Come back, ZD7!

I wonder if the reason for his departure was a malicious PM.
Could be, but he would be the last person I could imagine getting a malicious PM. He was always so positive and generally agreeable.

I really hope he comes back. Like ritter said, his posts were very enthusiastic.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on January 29, 2016, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 29, 2016, 06:58:39 AM
Boulez has had patience?  0:)
Well, he did conduct Ein deutsches Requiem once. ... he must have been very patient!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 06:48:10 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 29, 2016, 05:50:42 AM
The message is where the now popular "vapid banality" originated; it was a response to poco calling Havergal Brian the Ultimate Faker. It is gone now...at least I couldn't find it.

Sarge

Since it is moi who is being referred to, I did not use that phrase with regards to Havergal Brian. I did write of the Gothic Symphony in 2011 that I found it "grandiose, overlong, bombastic, disjointed, and banal." But I did not accuse the work of "vapid banality"; I accused it of unqualified banality.

"Banal" however is now, I find, one of the many words now proscribed by our esteemed moderator, on the theory that if we characterize others' likes or dislikes (I honestly think only dislikes are being referred to) as "boring, stale, tedious, banal, etc., etc., etc." that we are by implication somehow characterizing them. I don't think this is the case at all (I have many friends I love very much who like music I consider tedious, and many friends who despise Beethoven), but the point seems to be that we are being enjoined not to say anything negative towards any music that someone else might like, out of fear that their feelings might be hurt, and we can't have that.

I submit the possibility that this kind of namby-pamby censorship is what ZB7 reacted to. When I went through Gurn Blanston's list of words in red and asked what's left, ZB7 said (and later deleted) "dim-witted," implying as I see it that he too objected to this attempt by the moderator to enforce a kind of genteel politesse that would vitiate all spirited argument on these boards. Of course, it is entirely possible as well that he was referring to me as dim-witted, which may well be true, and at least is not a word on the forbidden list.

Fortunately, however, words like Ultimate Faker are not on the list, nor can I see how my characterization of Havergal Brian's 8th symphony as sounding like "a moderately clever child playing with fingerpaints, and using every color in the box to make a mess of the paper, the house, his clothes, and himself" - to which Brianite vandermolen replied, "Fair enough" - breaks the rules. But cilgwyn's claim that "he's never heard a score by Milhaud that didn't sound utterly banal" is clearly verboten, on the theory that it might cause some lover of Milhaud to break down in a fit of tears. I suppose we'll all have to be very clever in future not to couch our most offensive remarks in a manner that might, heaven forbid, cause offense.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 30, 2016, 06:59:13 AM
You are entitled to characterize anything I say in any way you like, I really don't mind. However, it is disingenuous of you to now imply that the post in question didn't characterize the people who liked that music every bit as much as the music itself. Whether it was your intent or not, it certainly read that way, and the reports I got demonstrated to me that people took it that way.

Brian's music may be everything you say. I wouldn't know. But those who like any particular kind of music are not liable to bear the onus of your dislike of the music itself.

I shouldn't need to explain that to you, who has proved himself an excellent reader over the years. As for ZD7, it was my belief that he was calling YOU 'dim-witted'.  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 07:08:14 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on January 30, 2016, 06:59:13 AM
You are entitled to characterize anything I say in any way you like, I really don't mind. However, it is disingenuous of you to now imply that the post in question didn't characterize the people who liked that music every bit as much as the music itself. Whether it was your intent or not, it certainly read that way, and the reports I got demonstrated to me that people took it that way.

Brian's music may be everything you say. I wouldn't know. But those who like any particular kind of music are not liable to bear the onus of your dislike of the music itself.

I shouldn't need to explain that to you, who has proved himself an excellent reader over the years. As for ZD7, it was my belief that he was calling YOU 'dim-witted'.  :)

8)

May I remind you also that when I first ventured to express some doubts about the merits of the Holy Sainted Havergal in 2011, I was greeted with a storm of derision and contempt by the Faithful, who made it clear that their hagiography was not to be challenged. To quote what I wrote then: I was called variously silly (cilgwyn),* unserious (Guido), uninformed and unprofessional (Sgt. Rock), facile, rude, and intellectually lazy (Klaatu), truculent and ignorant (Legge), asinine (5against4), self-important (Hatoff), sad but amusing, predictable, pontificating, hopelessly out-of-touch (Luke), and similar ad hominem attacks. Did I complain to the moderators? Did the moderators rally to my defense? Did they post a series of proscribed words in red to assuage my wounded feelings? And for that matter, were my feelings truly wounded? Did I start weeping like a bathtub overflowing? Did I resign my membership? No, I shrugged my shoulders and moved on.

* Who later wrote: "I can see the reappearance of 'Sforzando' at some point if we're not careful."

And so if you want to ban me for saying what I consider true, go right ahead.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 07:09:26 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 06:48:10 AM
Since it is moi who is being referred to, I did not use that phrase with regards to Havergal Brian.

I know you didn't. That was, if memory serves (the message is gone now), Monsieur, replying to you, and mentioning Medtner.

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 06:48:10 AM
I did write of the Gothic Symphony in 2011 that I found it "grandiose, overlong, bombastic, disjointed, and banal." But I did not accuse the work of "vapid banality"; I accused it of unqualified banality.

"Banal" however is now, I find, one of the many of words now proscribed by our esteemed moderator, on the theory that if we characterize others' likes or dislikes (I honestly think only dislikes are being referred to) as "boring, stale, tedious, banal, etc., etc., etc." that we are by implication somehow characterizing them. I don't think this is the case at all (I have many friends who like music I consider tedious, and many friends who despise Beethoven), but the point seems to be that we are being enjoined not to say anything negative towards any music that someone else might like, out of fear that their feelings might be hurt, and we can't have that.

I submit the possibility that this kind of namby-pamby censorship is what ZB7 reacted to. When I went through Gurn Blanston's list of words in red and asked what's left, ZB7 said (and later deleted) "dim-witted," implying as I see it that he too objected to this attempt by the moderator to enforce a kind of genteel politesse that would vitiate all spirited argument on these boards. Of course, it is entirely possible as well that he was referring to me as dim-witted, which may well be true, and at least is not a word on the forbidden list.

Fortunately, however, words like Ultimate Faker are not on the list, nor can I see how my characterization of Havergal Brian's 8th symphony as sounding like "a moderately clever child playing with fingerpaints, and using every color in the box to make a mess of the paper, the house, his clothes, and himself" - to which Brianite vandermolen replied, "Fair enough" - breaks the rules. But cilgwyn's claim that "he's never heard a score by Milhaud that didn't sound utterly banal" is clearly verboten, on the theory that it might cause some lover of Milhaud to break down in a fit of tears.

I didn't take Gurn's word list, and meaning, literally but rather a caution to use them in a way that wouldn't directly attack another member. If I misunderstood, and he really means we can't criticize music, then we'll have to delete half the messages in this forum.

In other words, I am not offended by your opinion of dear Havergal. He may or not be a faker but I assure you I am not the ultimate faker for liking him...penultimate maybe.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 07:11:29 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 07:09:26 AM
I know you didn't. That was, if memory serves (the message is gone now), Monsieur, replying to you, and mentioning Medtner.

I said nothing about Medtner, whom I consider vapid but not banal.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 30, 2016, 07:18:54 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 07:08:14 AM
May I remind you also that when I first ventured to express some doubts about the merits of the Holy Sainted Havergal in 2011, I was greeted with a storm of derision and contempt by the Faithful, who made it clear that their hagiography was not to be challenged. To quote what I wrote then: I was called variously silly (cilgwyn),* unserious (Guido), uninformed and unprofessional (Sgt. Rock), facile, rude, and intellectually lazy (Klaatu), truculent and ignorant (Legge), asinine (5against4), self-important (Hatoff), sad but amusing, predictable, pontificating, hopelessly out-of-touch (Luke), and similar ad hominem attacks. Did I complain to the moderators? Did the moderators rally to my defense? Did they post a series of proscribed words in red to assuage my wounded feelings? And for that matter, were my feelings truly wounded? Did I start weeping like a bathtub overflowing? Did I resign my membership? No, I shrugged my shoulders and moved on.

* Who later wrote: "I can see the reappearance of 'Sforzando' at some point if we're not careful."

And so if you want to ban me for saying what I consider true, go right ahead.

Well, we aren't big rallyers without cause. If you were offended (and perhaps you should have been) then I wasn't offended on your behalf (not least because I have never read that thread, AFAIK).

As for banning people, I ban no one. At worst, I pay more attention to what you say. Not give it more credence, just pay it more attention. In your case, I already read most of your posts because I like them. So it goes.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 07:09:26 AM
I didn't take Gurn's word list, and meaning, literally but rather a caution to use them in a way that wouldn't directly attack another member. If I misunderstood, and he really means we can't criticize music, then we'll have to delete half the messages in this forum.

You should take a hint from Sarge, who understood exactly what I was trying to say. Perhaps it's the Cleveland background which makes him more understanding...   ;)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 07:21:31 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 07:11:29 AM
I said nothing about Medtner, whom I consider vapid but not banal.

Again, I know you didn't. That was Monsieur Croche's phrase about Medtner, who was replying to your post about Havergal. You dissed Havergal; Monsieur dissed Medtner. Why any of that would make the dragon go away is beyond me. I can't believe those two comments had anything to do with his leaving.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 07:24:50 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 07:21:31 AM
Again, I know you didn't. That was Monsieur Croche's phrase about Medtner, who was replying to your post about Havergal. You dissed Havergal; Monsieur dissed Medtner. Why any of that would make the dragon go away is beyond me. I can't believe those two comments had anything to do with his leaving.

Sarge

Well, apparently he called me dim-witted. I am sobbing uncontrollably as I write.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 07:21:31 AM
Again, I know you didn't. That was Monsieur Croche's phrase about Medtner, who was replying to your post about Havergal. You dissed Havergal; Monsieur dissed Medtner. Why any of that would make the dragon go away is beyond me. I can't believe those two comments had anything to do with his leaving.

Sarge

We have and have had some valuable, pleasant and exceptionally sensitive members here. Like Sarge, I can't see what was written as a good reason for leaving; but it certainly happens and I echo Gurn in urging people to make sure their denegration of such and such a composer cannot be taken as a personal insult. We can't legislate for people who decide to pull insult upon themselves if someone does not like their pet composer; and that certainly happens too.

We don't want to water all comment, but do be clear about what you are writing, what it is aimed at and be civil to one another.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 08:41:12 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 07:08:14 AMI was called uninformed and unprofessional (Sgt. Rock)

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 07:24:50 AM
Well, apparently he called me dim-witted. I am sobbing uncontrollably as I write.

I hope my calling you " uninformed and unprofessional" also induced tears. It was meant to  ;D ;)

Seriously, did I really say that? How unprofessional of me. I'll have to go find that conversation. Somewhere in the 2011 Havergal thread, is it?

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 08:41:12 AM. I'll have to go find that conversation. Somewhere in the 2011 Havergal thread, is it?

Sarge

......in which case we will see you the Christmas after next. We will keep your seat warm, also send in the occasional liquor to sustain you.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 09:16:56 AM
Quote from: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
......in which case we will see you the Christmas after next. We will keep your seat warm, also send in the occasional liquor to sustain you.

Mike

I confess, the prospect of searching the Brian thread is daunting. Perhaps poco will give me a hint. Which season or month? Then I might find it by Easter.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 09:16:56 AM
I confess, the prospect of searching the Brian thread is daunting. Perhaps poco will give me a hint. Which season or month? Then I might find it by Easter.

Sarge

I found what I wished from the Brian thread within fifteen minutes.

First, a correction. I misquoted myself above; instead of saying "To quote what I wrote then: I was called variously silly, etc.," what I originally wrote was, "But say a word against the all-holy Havergal Brian!!!!! and you prove yourself silly . . . ." Which puts an entirely different, more generic slant on the matter. Sarge's point (July 18, 2011) was "that a performance of work like this, one so seldom heard, would have compelled them to do a little research and listening first. Criticism of the Gothic, both positive and negative, is more "professionally" done on this forum."

It was only after my comments that the attacks on me started. Such as Albion, July 19, 2011: "I can't quite understand why you have felt the need to contribute gratuitously to this thread, especially such a personally-offensive and fatuous addition: the music of Havergal Brian clearly does not impress you in the least - but then I don't really think that anybody will worry about that fact for too long." (Well sneered, Albion! Never mind that if I say anything about Havergal Brian here, all hell breaks loose.) Or Cilgwyn, July 19: "Sforzando, on the other hand, was 100% pure vitriol." (To which I responded by thanking the poster, in that I prefer not to do things by halves.)

However, when Karl defended me by saying, "(poco) Sfz's point about circling the wagons against anyone who doesn't dig the music, remains well taken," Sarge's response was "Bullshit."

My point is that I sense among the Brianites a degree of touchiness and defensiveness, whenever anyone expresses any reservations towards their idol, that one rarely sees here with other composers. I am hardly the only one to have expressed doubts about some or all of Brian's music:

* Springrite, June 09, 2007: "As a big fan of much of Brian's music, I must admit I hear nothing in that work [Gothic] whatsoever."
* Perfect Wagnerite, June 11: "I've listened to 1, 4, 12, 8, and 9 and they are all horrible music. Densely scored, unmemorable tunes, a mixture of salon music, noise, and bits and pieces of Holst and Shostakovich but showing nowhere near the maturity or skill of either one."
* johnQpublic, June 17: "Personally, I wish you'd let the hack languish among the dregs."
* Steve Molino (Molman), in an email to me: "There's no there there."

Which is why I used the apparently so objectionable epithet "Ultimate Faker." I hear Brian as noisy effects without cause, such as using six pairs of cymbals for the ultimate cymbal crash (five weren't enough?) and writing disjointed, incoherent music. My remarks were not intended as personal attacks on the lovers of his music. Certainly not someone like Luke, whom I esteem as highly as anyone here, not to mention several others. No doubt these people hear things in Brian's music that I do not. But in fact I would say that Albion's and cilgwyn's charming attacks on me were far more supercilious and personally contemptuous than anything I have ever said on this forum about anybody.

Finally, and since this is getting ridiculously long, let me conclude by mentioning a PM in which a poster commiserates with me and expresses his similar feeling that the moderators have repeatedly shut down threads because some person complained or out of fear that someone might complain when a discussion gets too heated.

(Oh, and how to search the "Brian" thread without making it your full-time job? Simple: click Print to open the thread in a new window, then search for the word or phrase you want. Not bad for someone dim-witted, huh?)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 01:49:57 PM
Are you Pandora or are you Senna the Southsayer; or are you Dickens who never got over anything that happened to him? I don't really understand why the above was dredged up? In brief, what was you point? If it was that some people get jumped on for being less than flattering about specific composers: we were already there.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 01:49:57 PM
Are you Pandora or are you Senna the Southsayer; or are you Dickens who never got over anything that happened to him? I don't really understand why the above was dredged up? In brief, what was you point? If it was that some people get jumped on for being less than flattering about specific composers: we were already there.

Mike

Is this an example of being civil to one another? Or should I complain to the moderators about you? The point was that Sergeant Rock explicitly asked where I had found certain statements in a thread that he was unable to locate. I wouldn't have gone through all this nonsense had it not been for that. You or Blanston were the ones to point out that reports had been made complaining about me when I made that remark. I felt I had a right to defend myself, and put it into context. Apparently not.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 02:02:48 PM
You imagine I was being uncivil; almost as soon as complainng that mods keep closing things down to avoid conflict. Interesting. Thank you for your explanation.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 02:02:48 PM
You imagine I was being uncivil; almost as soon as complainng that mods keep closing things down to avoid conflict. Interesting. Thank you for your explanation.

Knight

You were being uncivil to me, and yes, moderators have been known to shut down threads. If you are so concerned about incivility, then practice what you preach.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 02:20:02 PM
Clearly you have little idea of the possibilities I have at my fingertips for being uncivil.

But I will explain my take on this to you. I do not understand why you forensically analyse remarks that were part of a years old conflict and which could attract further conflict. So, if you needlessly start another argument; and already you seem to want to have one with me, then I suggest it is not a good move on your part.

But who knows, perhaps it will all be left aside and folk will move on. Let me assure you, I am taking pains here not to be too direct with you.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 30, 2016, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 01:41:11 PM
I found what I wished from the Brian thread within fifteen minutes.

Knight and I were joking about the difficulty of a search.

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 01:41:11 PMSarge's point (July 18, 2011) was "that a performance of work like this, one so seldom heard, would have compelled them to do a little research and listening first. Criticism of the Gothic, both positive and negative, is more "professionally" done on this forum."

So I didn't call you "uninformed and unprofessional" but was talking about the professional critics who wrote about Brabbin's performance. I didn't attack you personally. I didn't think so...but memory being what it is at my age and with the meds I take (they have splendid side effects  8) ), I wasn't entirely sure  ;D  Thank you for the correction.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 30, 2016, 02:35:57 PM


Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 01:41:11 PM
(Oh, and how to search the “Brian” thread without making it your full-time job? Simple: click Print to open the thread in a new window, then search for the word or phrase you want. Not bad for someone dim-witted, huh?)

That is brilliant.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 02:20:02 PM
Clearly you have little idea of the possibilities I have at my fingertips for being uncivil.

But I will explain my take on this to you. I do not understand why you forensically analyse remarks that were part of a years old conflict and which could attract further conflict. So, if you needlessly start another argument; and already you seem to want to have one with me, then I suggest it is not a good move on your part.

But who knows, perhaps it will all be left aside and folk will move on. Let me assure you, I am taking pains here not to be too direct with you.

Knight

If you have issues with me, Mr. Knight, you are free to discuss them via private message. For the record, not once in the 10 years I have been here has any moderator contacted me privately to complain about my conduct, nor have I ever contacted a moderator to complain about anybody else.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 03:11:52 PM
I have explained my thinking to you as much as is needed.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on January 30, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
Quote from: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 02:20:02 PM
Clearly you have little idea of the possibilities I have at my fingertips for being uncivil.

Let me get this straight, you are threatening to abuse your power as moderator. And you think you have the right to lecture anyone on civility?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
I'll freely admit that I acted like a boorish, vindictive, cowardly, spineless twit many times when other members spoke harshly of Delius (a composer I love with all my heart) and I want to apologize to anyone I offended or upset in my rampage of needless ad homs. The Brianites have been nothing but angels compared with my insane, take-no-prisoners approach to getting even with the naysayers. If you look at it this way, Sforzando, you really don't have much to complain about. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 30, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 30, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
I'll freely admit that I acted like a boorish, vindictive, cowardly, spineless twit many times when other members spoke harshly of Delius (a composer I love with all my heart) and I want to apologize to anyone I offended or upset in my rampage of needless ad homs. The Brianites have been nothing but angels compared with my insane, take-no-prisoners approach to getting even with the naysayers. If you look at it this way, Sforzando, you really don't have much to complain about. ;)
May I say 'thank you'. I have long held against you the fact that you sometimes did this (and not just with Delius). And it was not that you didn't like a particular composer that angered me, but the sometimes vitriolic way that it was done (sometimes more so, sometimes less so). It takes courage to apologize, as well as growth, and the fact that it took a while matters little in the end. Thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 30, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
I'll freely admit that I acted like a boorish, vindictive, cowardly, spineless twit many times when other members spoke harshly of Delius (a composer I love with all my heart) and I want to apologize to anyone I offended or upset in my rampage of needless ad homs. The Brianites have been nothing but angels compared with my insane, take-no-prisoners approach to getting even with the naysayers. If you look at it this way, Sforzando, you really don't have much to complain about. ;)

Thank you, John. (I think.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 09:21:31 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on January 30, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
Let me get this straight, you are threatening to abuse your power as moderator. And you think you have the right to lecture anyone on civility?

Thank you, Scarpia. (Sincerely.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2016, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on January 30, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
May I say 'thank you'. I have long held against you the fact that you sometimes did this (and not just with Delius). And it was not that you didn't like a particular composer that angered me, but the sometimes vitriolic way that it was done (sometimes more so, sometimes less so). It takes courage to apologize, as well as growth, and the fact that it took a while matters little in the end. Thank you.

You're welcome, Neal. :) I'm certainly aware that I acted in this manner and I suppose a lot of times it was easier for me to move on and not really assess what was actually said about this or that composer. Thankfully, I've matured in my personal interactions with my fellow GMGers and have learned it's better to not confront someone when I disagree with them and simply accept that not everyone holds the same opinions as I do.

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 30, 2016, 09:20:45 PM
Thank you, John. (I think.)

Of course, I was being cheeky in the last part of my post above. ;) I certainly hope that everyone here remains civil and I hope we can remain this way even when a discussion gets heated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 30, 2016, 11:18:12 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on January 30, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
Let me get this straight, you are threatening to abuse your power as moderator. And you think you have the right to lecture anyone on civility?

No you don't have it straight. It was suggested I was being abusive and I was being direct that I had not been.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 31, 2016, 01:22:38 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 30, 2016, 10:07:11 PM
You're welcome, Neal. :) I'm certainly aware that I acted in this manner and I suppose a lot of times it was easier for me to move on and not really assess what was actually said about this or that composer.
It's only opinions John. I've lived long enough to discover in real life that sometimes I love people whose opinions I sometimes violently disagree with, and occassionaly just loathe persons whose opinions I share. Why should it be different on the net?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 31, 2016, 02:43:47 AM
Quote from: The new erato on January 31, 2016, 01:22:38 AM
It's only opinions John. I've lived long enough to discover in real life that sometimes I love people whose opinions I sometimes violently disagree with, and occasionally just loathe persons whose opinions I share. Why should it be different on the net?

Just plain sense.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 31, 2016, 03:12:41 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on January 31, 2016, 02:43:47 AM
Just plain sense.
Unfortunately not for some.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 01, 2016, 11:47:22 AM
Is it safe to post on-topic again?  ;D

Has anyone any news of:

sanantonio

moonfish

Mr. Three Putt


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 01, 2016, 11:52:23 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 01, 2016, 11:47:22 AM
Is it safe to post on-topic again?  ;D

Has anyone any news of:

sanantonio

moonfish

Mr. Three Putt
I follow sanantonio on Twitter. He does not "tweet" frequently, but he did, ca. half an hour ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 01, 2016, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on February 01, 2016, 11:52:23 AM
I follow sanantonio on Twitter. He does not "tweet" frequently, but he did, ca. half an hour ago.

Thanks, Karl. I worry needlessly sometimes  ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 01, 2016, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 01, 2016, 11:47:22 AM
Is it safe to post on-topic again?  ;D

Has anyone any news of:

sanantonio

moonfish

Mr. Three Putt

I haven't heard anything from Peter (Moonfish) in ages. I hope (wherever he is) that he's doing okay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mr. Three Putt on February 01, 2016, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 01, 2016, 11:47:22 AM
Is it safe to post on-topic again?  ;D

Has anyone any news of:
........

Mr. Three Putt

Alive and kicking. Thanks for the concern, although most reactions to your post were probably along the lines of, "Who?"

Just been doing more listening than chatting. I'm going to see Madama, Figaro, and German Requiem in NYC this March. If that's not good news, what is? So, the mystery of the who the hell is he anyway guy has been solved.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 02, 2016, 03:15:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Three Putt on February 01, 2016, 08:59:22 PM
Alive and kicking. Thanks for the concern, although most reactions to your post were probably along the lines of, "Who?"

Just been doing more listening than chatting. I'm going to see Madama, Figaro, and German Requiem in NYC this March. If that's not good news, what is? So, the mystery of the who the hell is he anyway guy has been solved.  :)

Ah, the mystery guy returns  ;)  And thanks for the pm explaining things. Appreciate the update.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 02, 2016, 03:19:51 AM
Quote from: Mr. Three Putt on February 01, 2016, 08:59:22 PM
Alive and kicking. Thanks for the concern, although most reactions to your post were probably along the lines of, "Who?"

Good to see yez!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 02, 2016, 03:26:55 AM
Quote from: Mr. Three Putt on February 01, 2016, 08:59:22 PM
Alive and kicking. Thanks for the concern, although most reactions to your post were probably along the lines of, "Who?"

Just been doing more listening than chatting. I'm going to see Madama, Figaro, and German Requiem in NYC this March. If that's not good news, what is? So, the mystery of the who the hell is he anyway guy has been solved.  :)

Ah. I see the NY Phil is doing the GR under Dohnanyi in early March. Good to know, although I find the idea of charging up to $139 for a concert consisting of a single 1-hour-long work almost criminal. At least when Mr. Barenboim will be programming his Bruckner symphonies preceded by Mozart concertos, you know you're getting your money's worth. Am I sounding too mercenary? Well then, so is the orchestra for charging those prices. (That was a digression. But I like digressions.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mr. Three Putt on February 02, 2016, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on February 02, 2016, 03:19:51 AM
Good to see yez!

Just now seeing the links Karl. I'll check them out directly and thanks again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 22, 2016, 05:59:40 PM
I've got to say it's great to have Nate (EigenUser) back in the saddle again and there was a rare sighting of Luke on the Ravel thread. Sigh...I hope he posts more often. Things are looking good on GMG right now. Hopefully, several others members will return that have had a positive impact on the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on February 22, 2016, 08:23:19 PM
It seems all too easy for members to delete their accounts in a passing moment of frustration which they might regret the following morning.

I assume (having only been here a few months) that this issue has been addressed before. Does it have to be quite so easy?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 23, 2016, 08:29:19 AM
Thankfully, I've never deleted my account, because whatever frustration I felt wasn't worth it. I just keep on plugging along like a certain bunny....

(http://drinkwineandgiggle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Energizer_Bunny_animated.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 23, 2016, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 23, 2016, 08:29:19 AM
Thankfully, I've never deleted my account, because whatever frustration I felt wasn't worth it. I just keep on plugging along like a certain bunny....

And that's why you're our reigning champ for number of posts, MI!

(I deleted my account once, but won't do it again. The main disadvantage is that once you're gone, it becomes difficult to recover your posts if you want to keep copies for yourself.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on February 23, 2016, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on February 22, 2016, 08:23:19 PM
It seems all too easy for members to delete their accounts in a passing moment of frustration which they might regret the following morning.

I assume (having only been here a few months) that this issue has been addressed before. Does it have to be quite so easy?

Deleting your account is useful if you are concerned that you will be tempted to resume participation and want to place a bigger barrier.  I've deleted my account here at least once in the past, but I now feel almost no temptation to participate and there is no need.

I think the ability to delete your account is a good feature. I know of one site that does not allow you to delete your account and your only recourse is to get yourself banned. Some people post porn, but I called a moderator an idiot and that worked nicely.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on February 23, 2016, 01:31:26 PM
You would have to try harder than that here Scarpia; as you know. That was not a challenge by the way.

On occasion something goes wrong and a member exits suddenly. It is then often very difficult to grasp what went wrong; as we can't search through their latest posts and have to just keep looking at likely threads. Sometimes it eventually emerges that it was nothing anyone said on the public area of the site.

It might be useful if there was an exit survey.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on February 23, 2016, 03:51:32 PM
It is a peculiar feature that a member's posts are no longer searchable when the member de-registers, but one could look at it as giving the member some control over the content he or she created. I don't regard that as an entirely bad thing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 23, 2016, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on February 23, 2016, 03:51:32 PM
It is a peculiar feature that a member's posts are no longer searchable when the member de-registers, but one could look at it as giving the member some control over the content he or she created. I don't regard that as an entirely bad thing.

Actually you can search a departed member's posts, but you have to use Advanced Search and enter both the member's name and a bit of text. This can be tedious if you want to know what Member X thought of both Berlioz and Borodin, but perhaps you can use the word "the" and get everything the person wrote.

ETA: Well, scratch that. "Your search query contained too trivial words. Please try again with a different query."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 23, 2016, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on February 23, 2016, 09:43:19 AM
And that's why you're our reigning champ for number of posts, MI!

(I deleted my account once, but won't do it again. The main disadvantage is that once you're gone, it becomes difficult to recover your posts if you want to keep copies for yourself.)

Yes! A large number of posts with nothing in them! Just like Ravel said about Bolero. ;) ;D Anyway, I really have no life, but that's okay, I'm listening to music, talking about music that I love, and, for me, there's nothing greater than talking with like-minded people about a passion I've had since I was a kid.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on February 23, 2016, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 23, 2016, 07:20:20 PM
Anyway, I really have no life, but that's okay, I'm listening to music, talking about music that I love, and, for me, there's nothing greater than talking with like-minded people about a passion I've had since I was a kid.

Don't worry, my friend, you're not the only one.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 23, 2016, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on February 23, 2016, 07:24:05 PM
Don't worry, my friend, you're not the only one.

This is a HUGE relief! :D

(https://omitlimitation.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bvb104-gif-drew-relief.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on February 23, 2016, 08:20:09 PM
I like the idea of having control over one's account (for me not because of temptation to come back, but to avoid being contacted and in some cases to cut loose negative associations) but then I deleted my first one, and I'll probably delete this one whenever I get bored with this forum (anywhere from a few weeks to a few months from now... but we'll see)

I also like that OPs can lock their own threads, anyone can edit and delete their own posts and that sort of thing. Some forums only allow moderators to do that. (And I like that there's no word filter, although if I swore as much here as I do in real life there'd probably be one pretty quickly >_>) In general I like the moderation here a lot, actually.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 24, 2016, 01:40:54 AM
Hear, hear.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on February 24, 2016, 07:40:10 AM
The moderation is quite moderate indeed. Nothing to compare to the incessant Big Brother attitude of other moderation teams I know.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on February 29, 2016, 05:49:25 AM
I see Sean is merely a guest again, although that's scarcely news; he's in and out like... (apt simile escapes me). I'm sure he'll be enlightening and entertaining us again soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 13, 2016, 09:03:47 AM
I wonder what's happened to Greg Moeller?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 21, 2016, 05:29:14 PM
In addition to my wondering what happened to Greg Moeller, I wonder what's happened to Composeroftheavantgarde (Jessop)?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on March 21, 2016, 05:46:48 PM
I was wondering that too, but I think he may still be at university and term has started.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 21, 2016, 06:09:02 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on March 21, 2016, 05:46:48 PM
I was wondering that too, but I think he may still be at university and term has started.

This could very well be the case.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 22, 2016, 01:30:11 AM
I hear from Greg now and again;  he's in a busy patch.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 22, 2016, 05:23:10 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 22, 2016, 01:30:11 AM
I hear from Greg now and again;  he's in a busy patch.

Please give him my love.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 22, 2016, 05:33:37 AM
For clarification, this is Monkey Greg, not Anime Greg. (Just wanted you to know whither your affection is being forwarded.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 22, 2016, 05:37:58 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 22, 2016, 05:33:37 AM
For clarification, this is Monkey Greg, not Anime Greg. (Just wanted you to know whither your affection is being forwarded.)

Ah. I was thinking Anime Greg from Florida, Greg Cook. I didn't know Monkey Greg.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bogey on March 22, 2016, 05:50:19 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 22, 2016, 05:33:37 AM
For clarification, this is Monkey Greg, not Anime Greg. (Just wanted you to know whither your affection is being forwarded.)

Ha! The labels we are tagged with to distinguish one another.  Makes me wonder where the name "Bill" would have left me. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on March 22, 2016, 06:01:01 AM
This is why going by your first name on here is more trouble than it's worth. >_>

(To be fair I am almost certainly the only [name redacted] here, and will remain so unless there are significant changes in the forum's demographic composition, but still)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 22, 2016, 06:03:39 AM
Quote from: amw on March 22, 2016, 06:01:01 AM
This is why going by your first name on here is more trouble than it's worth. >_>

Ask Dave about that . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on March 22, 2016, 06:05:23 AM
Quote from: amw on March 22, 2016, 06:01:01 AM
This is why going by your first name on here is more trouble than it's worth. >_>
Yeah, people keep bashing all my symphonies  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 22, 2016, 06:19:58 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 22, 2016, 01:30:11 AM
I hear from Greg now and again;  he's in a busy patch.

Well, this is good to hear. Hopefully, the prodigal son will return soon. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on March 22, 2016, 06:48:06 AM
Quote from: Bogey on March 22, 2016, 05:50:19 AM
Makes me wonder where the name "Bill" would have left me. ;D
A favorite amongst credit card companies perhaps?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 22, 2016, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 22, 2016, 06:05:23 AM
Yeah, people keep bashing all my symphonies  :(

;D :D ;D


Sarge (the one and only)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 22, 2016, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 22, 2016, 06:05:23 AM
Yeah, people keep bashing all my symphonies  :(

I beg your pardon. I have always made a careful distinction between bashing your symphonies and bashing those of any Brian else.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on March 22, 2016, 08:14:32 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 22, 2016, 06:05:23 AM
Yeah, people keep bashing all my symphonies  :(
I don't like Goths.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on March 22, 2016, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on March 22, 2016, 08:14:09 AM
I beg your pardon. I have always made a careful distinction between bashing your symphonies and bashing those of any Brian else.
I suspect that Brian Ferneyhough will not find that encouraging.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 22, 2016, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: North Star on March 22, 2016, 09:36:52 AM
I suspect that Brian Ferneyhough will not find that encouraging.

But Ferneyhough does not write symphonies.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on March 22, 2016, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on March 22, 2016, 10:25:58 AM
But Ferneyhough does not write symphonies.
And I'm sure he will not be encouraged to do so by your post. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 22, 2016, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: North Star on March 22, 2016, 10:37:33 AM
And I'm sure he will not be encouraged to do so by your post. ;)

I'm sure nothing I do will matter to him in the slightest.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 26, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
I am NikF and I'd like to officially declare myself as a Missing Member.
I lost the password for my account and then discovered I have no access to the email address associated with it. So I've registered this new account in order to post this message. Perhaps if some kind and understanding admin/moderator reads this they can PM me and help, please?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 26, 2016, 10:33:24 AM
Zowie!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 26, 2016, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 26, 2016, 10:33:24 AM
Zowie!

At the very least, yes. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 26, 2016, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: NikF2 on March 26, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
I am NikF and I'd like to officially declare myself as a Missing Member.
I lost the password for my account and then discovered I have no access to the email address associated with it. So I've registered this new account in order to post this message. Perhaps if some kind and understanding admin/moderator reads this they can PM me and help, please?

How do we know you're the real Nik and not an imposter trying to steal his account? I know how you can prove who you are: post a new picture of Toots  ;D ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 26, 2016, 02:33:44 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 26, 2016, 12:42:23 PM
How do we know you're the real Nik and not an imposter trying to steal his account? I know how you can prove who you are: post a new picture of Toots  ;D ;)

Sarge

I did think of something like that, but she's gone house hunting with mother, far, far from home. And by the last SMS I received, they're at a family get together/party and are kind of smashed.  ???  :laugh:

e: check your inbox.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 27, 2016, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: NikF2 on March 26, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
I am NikF and I'd like to officially declare myself as a Missing Member.
I lost the password for my account and then discovered I have no access to the email address associated with it. So I've registered this new account in order to post this message. Perhaps if some kind and understanding admin/moderator reads this they can PM me and help, please?

That's pretty strange. :-\ I'm surprised you don't keep some kind of journal with account names and passwords? This might be a good idea for future reference.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 27, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 27, 2016, 05:29:11 PM
That's pretty strange. :-\ I'm surprised you don't keep some kind of journal with account names and passwords? This might be a good idea for future reference.

You're right, I should use a journal. I'll keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EigenUser on March 27, 2016, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: NikF2 on March 26, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
I am NikF and I'd like to officially declare myself as a Missing Member.
I lost the password for my account and then discovered I have no access to the email address associated with it. So I've registered this new account in order to post this message. Perhaps if some kind and understanding admin/moderator reads this they can PM me and help, please?
I don't know why, but I find this whole situation particularly hilarious.

(Sorry to laugh at your misfortune :-[ -- hope it gets resolved.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 28, 2016, 04:48:26 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on March 27, 2016, 11:58:22 PM
I don't know why, but I find this whole situation particularly hilarious.

(Sorry to laugh at your misfortune :-[ -- hope it gets resolved.)

It's that whole 'guy in a hotel gets out of the shower and wraps himself in a towel then steps into the corridor to see if his shoes have been polished at which point the door slowly closes behind him catching the towel in the process thus trapping him outside and naked' kind of thing, only it's the Internet version.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 06:15:29 AM
Sorry, I think you may have to stay naked. We have no accesses to any behind the scene password or email address mechanisms. I suggest you email Rob directly, Dungeon Master, and explain. He may be able to help you to reset the password/email access to connect you with your old clothes.

BTW, next time you are in a hotel; I suggest you don't leave the room without your clothes, clearly you are that kind of guy.  >:D

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 28, 2016, 06:27:07 AM
Quote from: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 06:15:29 AM
BTW, next time you are in a hotel; I suggest you don't leave the room without your clothes, clearly you are that kind of guy.  >:D

Knight

I'm surprised we even need to offer such advice  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 28, 2016, 06:27:35 AM
Quote from: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 06:15:29 AM

BTW, next time you are in a hotel; I suggest you don't leave the room without your clothes, clearly you are that kind of guy.  >:D

Knight

Hah! I'm reminded of an episode of Mr. Bean where he locks himself out of his hotel room while naked as a jaybird. Funny stuff.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 28, 2016, 06:32:18 AM
Quote from: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 06:15:29 AM
Sorry, I think you may have to stay naked. We have no accesses to any behind the scene password or email address mechanisms. I suggest you email Rob directly, Dungeon Master, and explain. He may be able to help you to reset the password/email access to connect you with your old clothes.

BTW, next time you are in a hotel; I suggest you don't leave the room without your clothes, clearly you are that kind of guy.  >:D

Knight

He has already been pariently dealing with it. And Que was kind enough to contact me and tried to help too. I really only posted in this thread in case Dungeon Master hadn't received my initial PM.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 28, 2016, 06:44:32 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 28, 2016, 06:27:07 AM
I'm surprised we even need to offer such advice  8)

I don't imagine it'll ever happen, but if it does then I've the comfort of knowing that because I'm in great shape it means at least I'll look good naked.  8) ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: NikF2 on March 28, 2016, 06:32:18 AM
He has already been pariently dealing with it. And Que was kind enough to contact me and tried to help too. I really only posted in this thread in case Dungeon Master hadn't received my initial PM.

I am glad to know that you are getting some care in the community.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 28, 2016, 08:57:47 AM
Quote from: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
I am glad to know that you are getting some care in the community.

Knight

Good. And I'm glad that it clearly helps those in the community who might be overweight and insecure about getting locked out of hotel rooms while naked feel better about themselves.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 28, 2016, 08:59:54 AM
(* quietly puts the Snickers bar back on the shelf *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 28, 2016, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on March 28, 2016, 08:59:54 AM
(* quietly puts the Snickers bar back on the shelf *)

Nonsense, karlhenning. You're obviously a fine figure of a man! Although I do applaud your restraint vis a vis the Snickers bar - but that applause can easily turn into a standing ovation if you send it my way  instead.  8) ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 09:50:33 AM
You see, he wants help, then it is your chocolate....next it will be all your worldly goods.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF2 on March 28, 2016, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: knight66 on March 28, 2016, 09:50:33 AM
You see, he wants help, then it is your chocolate....next it will be all your worldly goods.

Knight

Leave yourself out of my chocolate negotiations with karlhenning. Away and count your chins or something. And if you run out of fingers remember you can always use your toes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 19, 2016, 05:30:07 AM
I miss Octave, Monkey Greg, madaboutmahler, ChamberNut, Moonfish, and Marsch MacFiercesome. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on May 19, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 19, 2016, 05:30:07 AM
I miss Octave, Monkey Greg, madaboutmahler, ChamberNut, Moonfish, and Marsch MacFiercesome. :(

Same here..although Marsch MacF. appears sporadically at TC.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 17, 2016, 09:18:52 AM
What happened to 28Orot?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on June 17, 2016, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 17, 2016, 09:18:52 AM
What happened to 28Orot?

I am pretty sure his exit and the blowup of the Orlando thread were not unlinked.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 10:39:01 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on March 27, 2016, 11:58:22 PM
I don't know why, but I find this whole situation particularly hilarious.

(Sorry to laugh at your misfortune :-[ -- hope it gets resolved.)

Speaking of which, where's EigenUser?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on June 17, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 10:39:01 AM
Speaking of which, where's EigenUser?

noticed that, but I'm assuming end of semester/start of summer in the real world is keeping him busy. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 17, 2016, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 10:39:01 AM
Speaking of which, where's EigenUser?
He's spectral.


Eigenuser would get the joke.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 17, 2016, 10:45:21 AM
He's spectral.


Eigenuser would get the joke.

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on June 17, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on June 17, 2016, 10:33:44 AM
I am pretty sure his exit and the blowup of the Orlando thread were not unlinked.
His usual modus operandi in other words.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 12:31:22 PM
Quote from: The new erato on June 17, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
His usual modus operandi in other words.

But I was told: "we are going to put all that shit behind us and carry on now as though we are totally strangers meeting for the first time. Wouldn't you agree this is the best way to go? I think this is the New Saul... :) "
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 12:31:22 PM
But I was told: "we are going to put all that shit behind us and carry on now as though we are totally strangers meeting for the first time. Wouldn't you agree this is the best way to go? I think this is the New Saul... :) "

Would I have been better off to say "well, guys, this is gonna be the same old shit, let's go ahead and pile on now and get it over with..."?  You always hope for the best, and if you get kicked in the 'nads, at least you tried. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on June 17, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
Saul carries 4000 years of history in everything he thinks. A new Saul will forever be an illusion.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
Would I have been better off to say "well, guys, this is gonna be the same old shit, let's go ahead and pile on now and get it over with..."?  You always hope for the best, and if you get kicked in the 'nads, at least you tried. :-\

8)

Just teasin' ya, Gurn.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 17, 2016, 04:39:42 PM
Well I think he was singled out on that thread. Lots of people posted about religion and their own version of it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2016, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Just teasin' ya, Gurn.   ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, I figured. Not always positive with you, though, Poco Loco!  :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 17, 2016, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2016, 05:40:42 PM
Yeah, I figured. Not always positive with you, though, Poco Loco!  :D

8)

That of course is the intent, dear Gurn.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 17, 2016, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 17, 2016, 04:39:42 PM
Well I think he was singled out on that thread. Lots of people posted about religion and their own version of it.

True. It was quite dissapointing to see him back to his old tricks, but in this particular case the blame wasn't entirely with him and I shouldn't have singled him out.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 18, 2016, 05:06:09 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 17, 2016, 04:39:42 PM
Well I think he was singled out on that thread. Lots of people posted about religion and their own version of it.

But those kind of threads are proverbial hotbeds and only breed hostile debating. If he couldn't take the heat, then he clearly should have gotten out of the kitchen. Also, I wasn't wrong at all in my foreseeing that he was going to end up isolating himself from every other member like he did the last time. Old habits die hard.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 18, 2016, 05:28:17 AM
Quote from: Que on June 17, 2016, 11:15:11 PM
True. It was quite dissapointing to see him back to his old tricks, but in this particular case the blame wasn't entirely with him and I shouldn't have singled him out.

Q

Iedereen heeft het soevereine recht om van zijn fouten te leren  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on June 18, 2016, 05:43:47 AM
Saul had a nice comment about Karl Henning's Viola Sonata.

QuoteListening right now, so far so good. The piece is very reflective and entertaining, keeps you interested in the music and is not boring. It also has a quality of film music and can be easily used as a soundtrack. Good Job Karl, thanks for the listen.

Saul
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2016, 06:06:16 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 18, 2016, 05:28:17 AM
Iedereen heeft het soevereine recht om van zijn fouten te leren  :)

And who said Dutch was the closest language to English?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 18, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2016, 06:06:16 AM
And who said Dutch was the closest language to English?

Are you telling me, that you missed my point?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 18, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2016, 06:06:16 AM
And who said Dutch was the closest language to English?

Dutch is close, but Frisian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages) (in its different varities) is actually closer.
Also spoken in the Netherlands BTW, and next to Dutch an official language in the province of Friesland (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friesland) (Frisia).

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on June 18, 2016, 10:00:04 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 18, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Are you telling me, that you missed my point?

How can you think such a thing?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 18, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
Let me also say that Saul's input would have been more valuable if he would have discussed the music he actually liked instead of going on tirades about music he didn't like.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 19, 2016, 06:01:04 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 18, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
Let me also say that Saul's input would have been more valuable if he would have discussed the music he actually liked instead of going on tirades about music he didn't like.

Absolutely: and true for everyone else too, I might add. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 19, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 19, 2016, 06:01:04 AM
Absolutely: and true for everyone else too, I might add. :)

8)
Amen.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AndyD. on June 26, 2016, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 19, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Amen.



Aye.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 26, 2016, 09:41:38 AM
Our Andy's back! Huzzah!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 26, 2016, 10:10:51 AM
Whoa!! It's Andy!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AndyD. on June 26, 2016, 10:11:39 AM
Hi Brian, and DAFFY! My favorite 'toon character, ever.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 26, 2016, 07:07:34 PM
Welcome back, Andy! Long time no see!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 26, 2016, 11:15:18 PM
Yes indeed Andy, good to see you again....now let's read you too. Get writing.

Cheers,

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AndyD. on June 27, 2016, 06:36:30 AM
Hi everybody, great to hear from you as well!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on July 25, 2016, 05:40:10 AM
Quote from: Que on June 18, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Dutch is close, but Frisian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages) (in its different varities) is actually closer.
Also spoken in the Netherlands BTW, and next to Dutch an official language in the province of Friesland (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friesland) (Frisia).

Q

Not the Frisian dialect but the Groninger dialect (the North of the Netherlands) is much closer to English :)
And yes I think that Frisian is a dialect.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on July 28, 2016, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: Que on June 18, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Dutch is close, but Frisian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages) (in its different varities) is actually closer.


Eddie won't be able to do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34)

post-Brexit.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scion7 on July 28, 2016, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: Harry's corner on July 25, 2016, 05:40:10 AM
And yes I think that Frisian is a dialect.

But linguists do not:
 
"There are three varieties of Frisian: West Frisian, Saterland Frisian, and North Frisian. Some linguists consider these three varieties, despite their mutual unintelligibility, to be dialects of one single Frisian language, whereas others consider them to be three separate languages, as do their speakers. "
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on August 02, 2016, 05:55:22 AM
I still grieve the loss of Lethevich.

Is there anyone here who had contact with her after she left the site?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 30, 2016, 07:32:33 AM
I wonder what's happened to Todd. I miss being insulted on the presidential election thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on August 30, 2016, 10:43:04 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on August 30, 2016, 07:32:33 AM
I wonder what's happened to Todd. I miss being insulted on the presidential election thread.

Oh dear, hasn't insulted anyone for 27 days. Must be at death's door.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 30, 2016, 12:55:06 PM
Let's hope not. Not him nor anybody else, for that matter.

Sometimes I think of the *quiet* in my life if I would abstain from posting on a web site...  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 30, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
I've talked to Todd before about his prolonged absences; he occasionally gets very busy with work and simply drops GMG for a month or two at a time when needed. A couple years ago he was absent for almost half a year and it was just a big work project.

BTW I will be on vacation for the next 10 days so nobody panic about me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on August 30, 2016, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Brian on August 30, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
I've talked to Todd before about his prolonged absences; he occasionally gets very busy with work and simply drops GMG for a month or two at a time when needed. A couple years ago he was absent for almost half a year and it was just a big work project.

BTW I will be on vacation for the next 10 days so nobody panic about me.

We only panic when you come back.

;) >:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on August 30, 2016, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Brian on August 30, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
I've talked to Todd before about his prolonged absences; he occasionally gets very busy with work and simply drops GMG for a month or two at a time when needed. A couple years ago he was absent for almost half a year and it was just a big work project.

BTW I will be on vacation for the next 10 days so nobody panic about me.

I was being facetious, of course. Maybe he was engaged by Donald Trump...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 30, 2016, 05:13:24 PM
Quote from: Brian on August 30, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
BTW I will be on vacation for the next 10 days so nobody panic about me.

We wouldn't, Brian. Anyone with 18,398 posts isn't going away fast.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 30, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
I miss Peter (Moonfish). :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 31, 2016, 12:55:31 AM
Quote from: Brian on August 30, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
I've talked to Todd before about his prolonged absences; he occasionally gets very busy with work and simply drops GMG for a month or two at a time when needed. A couple years ago he was absent for almost half a year and it was just a big work project.

This is a relief. I feared that his pile of complete Beethoven piano sonatas recordings crumbled upon him.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 31, 2016, 04:45:33 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on August 30, 2016, 05:13:24 PM
We wouldn't, Brian. Anyone with 18,398 posts isn't going away fast.
Guilty as charged!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on August 31, 2016, 06:11:24 AM
Quote from: Brian on August 31, 2016, 04:45:33 AM
Guilty as charged!

Now 18,403. Where does he get all that energy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2016, 06:51:55 AM
If Brian left GMG, there would be something seriously wrong with the direction the forum was going in. He's definitely going to be sticking around for awhile.

Speaking of number of posts, this is my 35,000 post. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on August 31, 2016, 07:10:10 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on August 31, 2016, 06:11:24 AM
Now 18,403. Where does he get all that energy.

And Time!!!   0:)

Does GMG hire members to write things?   ??? 8)   Is there health insurance and a retirement plan?

Where and how do I apply?!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2016, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: Cato on August 31, 2016, 07:10:10 AM
And Time!!!   0:)

Does GMG hire members to write things?   ??? 8)   Is there health insurance and a retirement plan?

Where and how do I apply?!  ;)

Yes, we receive health insurance and were offered a 401K plan. ;D The life of a GMG veteran is all but an easy one, though. There are many long nights and sometimes even weekends. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on August 31, 2016, 09:50:42 AM
I rather miss my ballet buddy ChamberNut!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 01, 2016, 07:23:49 AM
Quote from: Harry's corner on August 31, 2016, 09:50:42 AM
I rather miss my ballet buddy ChamberNut!

I miss him, too. I'm friends with him on Facebook and he's either suspended or deleted his account. :( I hope he's alright.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 01, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
Maciek, Elgarian and ZauberdrachenNr7 are dearly missed by me.

Actually, Maciek was online for a short time yesterday. I sent him a PM but got no reply.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on September 01, 2016, 09:29:54 AM
Quote from: Florestan on September 01, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
Maciek, Elgarian and ZauberdrachenNr7 are dearly missed by me.

Actually, Maciek was online for a short time yesterday. I sent him a PM but got no reply.

Yes ZauberdrachenNr7, also a member that is missed by me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on September 01, 2016, 11:54:00 AM
Quote from: Brian on August 30, 2016, 01:54:59 PM
I've talked to Todd before about his prolonged absences; he occasionally gets very busy with work and simply drops GMG for a month or two at a time when needed. A couple years ago he was absent for almost half a year and it was just a big work project.

BTW I will be on vacation for the next 10 days so nobody panic about me.

I was wondering where Todd was. I've spoken to him a few times and always found it a pleasure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 01, 2016, 02:40:13 PM
I, too, miss Maciek  :( 


And his famous quote of 'Ban them all !'  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on September 01, 2016, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: André on September 01, 2016, 02:40:13 PMI, too, miss Maciek  :( 

And his famous quote of 'Ban them all !'  :laugh:

Me too.  :-[
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on September 02, 2016, 12:16:28 AM
I think both Zauberdrachen and Elgarian left over rather insubstantial quarrels with some other member which is really deplorable; I hope they come back some day!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on September 02, 2016, 12:53:32 AM
If we cannot even hold piece on this forum, how can we expect to get peace in this world I wonder.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 02, 2016, 01:03:03 AM
Member ZD7 has been back for a few weeks now with a new nick "Ghost Sonata" - no one else noticed? (I thought it was obvious) :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on September 02, 2016, 01:06:45 AM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 01:03:03 AM
Member ZD7 has been back for a few weeks now with a new nick "Ghost Sonata" - no one else noticed? (I thought it was obvious) :o

No it was not obvious, how could it. We do not know how members look like, apart from a few, me included. Changing names is a highly disturbing item. Existing members should tell all on the forum that they changed their nick name. To avoid confusion!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on September 02, 2016, 01:15:15 AM
What's with all these new usernames, anyway? Of all the internet forums I've been to, GMG has the highest self-reinvention rate, by far. Not that there's anything wrong with that.. I just find it kinda weird!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 02, 2016, 01:21:29 AM
Quote from: Harry's corner on September 02, 2016, 01:06:45 AM
No it was not obvious, how could it. We do not know how members look like, apart from a few, me included. Changing names is a highly disturbing item. Existing members should tell all on the forum that they changed their nick name. To avoid confusion!

Not to be rude but I think maybe some of you guys need to pay a bit more attention - im a keen observer of the forum and know everyone here because im interested in them.
How could you not know? - Im pretty sure he even used that avatar a while back.
Changing nicks is no big deal and shouldn't upset anyone - look at the rate people change their avatars and usernames.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 02, 2016, 06:24:56 AM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 01:03:03 AM
Member ZD7 has been back for a few weeks now with a new nick "Ghost Sonata" - no one else noticed? (I thought it was obvious) :o

Personally, I never understood why some members change their screen names and what purpose could it possibly serve other than to cause some general confusion.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 02, 2016, 06:39:26 AM
Quote from: Rinaldo on September 02, 2016, 01:15:15 AM
What's with all these new usernames, anyway? Of all the internet forums I've been to, GMG has the highest self-reinvention rate, by far. Not that there's anything wrong with that.. I just find it kinda weird!

Two words:


Witness Protection  $:) ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on September 02, 2016, 06:52:06 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 02, 2016, 12:16:28 AM
I think both Zauberdrachen and Elgarian left over rather insubstantial quarrels with some other member which is really deplorable; I hope they come back some day!

My understanding is the Elgarian did not leave because of a "quarrel" but because of egregious one-sided abuse.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on September 02, 2016, 06:54:08 AM
Quote from: Cato on September 02, 2016, 06:39:26 AM
Two words:


Witness Protection  $:) ;)
*chortle*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 02, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 02, 2016, 06:24:56 AM
Personally, I never understood why some members change their screen names avatars on a daily basis and what purpose could it possibly serve other than to cause some general confusion.

;D :D ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 02, 2016, 07:14:47 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 02, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
;D :D ;D

Sarge

Quote from: North Star on September 02, 2016, 06:54:08 AM
*chortle*

One for me, too!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on September 02, 2016, 07:17:21 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 02, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
;D :D ;D

Sarge
Quote from: North Star on September 02, 2016, 06:54:08 AM
*chortle*

Quote from: karlhenning on September 02, 2016, 07:14:47 AM
One for me, too!
Time for another one.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 02, 2016, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 02, 2016, 06:24:56 AM
Personally, I never understood why some members change their screen names and what purpose could it possibly serve other than to cause some general confusion.

Come on dude - why does it have to serve a purpose? Its just a bit of fun: changing your identitiy.
As the others pointed out already you change your avatar regularly - I seen you change it 2 or 3 times in one day even.
Like I said to Harry already people need to pay a bit more attention to whats going on - I hope you aren't making some comment about me changing my username: I mean, good grief I been using the same avatar for a while now and I put my name in my Signature so how could you not know who I am :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 02, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: Harry's corner on September 02, 2016, 12:53:32 AM
If we cannot even hold piece on this forum, how can we expect to get peace in this world I wonder.

Well, Harry, I think you've answered your own question.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on September 02, 2016, 04:51:51 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 02, 2016, 06:52:06 AM
My understanding is the Elgarian did not leave because of a "quarrel" but because of egregious one-sided abuse.

I really hope he returns soon... I really like him and appreciated him as a very valued member and very amiable and civil person.

Anyway, although I think we tend to follow a pretty broad minded moderating policy: if there is any personal abuse, we'd like to know.
Zero tolerance on that, as far as I'm concerned.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 02, 2016, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 03:21:03 PM
Come on dude - why does it have to serve a purpose? Its just a bit of fun: changing your identitiy.
As the others pointed out already you change your avatar regularly - I seen you change it 2 or 3 times in one day even.
Like I said to Harry already people need to pay a bit more attention to whats going on - I hope you aren't making some comment about me changing my username: I mean, good grief I been using the same avatar for a while now and I put my name in my Signature and youre confused if its me or not ::).
I don't know why you would expect every or any member to notice. I'm not sure why you would chastise any member for not realizing that a member had changed their name. For the record, I didn't realize it and probably never would have if someone hadn't said (not that it matters to me either). I wouldn't even have posted about it, except you did it twice.

For the record, I've never changed my avatar and I suspect members would fall off their chairs if I did.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 02, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 02, 2016, 05:12:01 PM
I don't know why you would expect every or any member to notice. I'm not sure why you would chastise any member for not realizing that a member had changed their name. For the record, I didn't realize it and probably never would have if someone hadn't said (not that it matters to me either). I wouldn't even have posted about it, except you did it twice.

For the record, I've never changed my avatar and I suspect members would fall off their chairs if I did.

I didn't chastise anyone or say every member would notice - All I said was I think people don't pay enough attention around here.
RE: ZD7 - basically a new member shows up who talks exactly like ZD7, has the same taste in music and has the same avatar and people are confused who it is?
Maybe I pay a bit more attention than your average GMG member and remember stuff about people - that's just because Im interested.
people are what this forum is all about.
The reason I posted about it twice was because I think ZD7/Ghost Sonata is a very valuable and interesting member and Im going to notice if they are or aren't around - but nobody else did.. ok ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 02, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 02, 2016, 05:12:01 PM
For the record, I've never changed my avatar and I suspect members would fall off their chairs if I did.

I think my floor is safe.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 02, 2016, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
I didn't chastise anyone or say every member would notice - All I said was I think people don't pay enough attention around here.
RE: ZD7 - basically a new member shows up who talks exactly like ZD7, has the same taste in music and has the same avatar and people are confused who it is?
Maybe I pay a bit more attention than your average GMG member and remember stuff about people - that's just because Im interested.
people are what this forum is all about.
The reason I posted about it twice was because I think ZD7/Ghost Sonata is a very valuable and interesting member and Im going to notice if they are or aren't around - but nobody else did.. ok ::)
And yet you just did it again. Sigh.

Let's just say I get what you are trying to say and leave it at that...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 02, 2016, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
I didn't chastise anyone or say every member would notice - All I said was I think people don't pay enough attention around here.
RE: ZD7 - basically a new member shows up who talks exactly like ZD7, has the same taste in music and has the same avatar and people are confused who it is?
Maybe I pay a bit more attention than your average GMG member and remember stuff about people - that's just because Im interested.
people are what this forum is all about.
The reason I posted about it twice was because I think ZD7/Ghost Sonata is a very valuable and interesting member and Im going to notice if they are or aren't around - but nobody else did.. ok ::)

We're all "interested." But there are many dozens of active members, some of whom know each other far better than others, and no one can be expected to keep track of everybody especially when they go about changing names and avatars all the time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 05:58:08 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 02, 2016, 12:16:28 AM
I think both Zauberdrachen and Elgarian left over rather insubstantial quarrels with some other member which is really deplorable; I hope they come back some day!

The Dragon (that is, I) left over something even less substantial than an insubstantial quarrel. I added a word to Gurn's list of undesirable personal attributes not to be used - "dimwitted" - I think it was and I breathed fire that it was censored.  The humor, I thought, was obvious and no offense intended to anyone.  But, never underestimate the possibility of being misunderstood in this medium.  Little did I realize until the next morning that the appellation applied to me, doubly so, for not dealing with the situation proactively and for abandoning a fun and informative forum.  The Dragon (that is, I) was very sad to lose his friends, withered, and died.  Many months passed before the possibility of resurrection as a ghost arose.  Good name, I thought, for I definitely felt as insubstantial as a specter might and with the same desire to reach out to the living.  Hat tip to DSCH71 for blowing my cover.  I wondered how I was ever going to come out from under the sheet.  Boo!  Apologies and a grateful thank you to those who missed Z7.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on September 02, 2016, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 02, 2016, 06:52:06 AMMy understanding is the Elgarian did not leave because of a "quarrel" but because of egregious one-sided abuse.
I really hope not and find it sad to read this. I know Elgarian as a very kind and very well-informed member, whose opinions I always valued. Hope to see him back, here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
RE: ZD7 - basically a new member shows up who talks exactly like ZD7, has the same taste in music...


What?!#@ I didn't mention Brahms once as Ghost Sonata!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on September 02, 2016, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
What?!#@ I didn't mention Brahms once as Ghost Sonata!  :laugh:

Give it time....and glad of your return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 02, 2016, 06:06:02 PM
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
What?!#@ I didn't mention Brahms once as Ghost Sonata!  :laugh:

;D ;D
Sorry for blowing your cover and I apologize if I embarrassed you too.
Just wanted to say welcome back to yourself and the other people who have re-joined us again lately.
I think Id better bow out of this thread now and get back to listening.. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 02, 2016, 06:06:30 PM
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 05:58:08 PM
The Dragon (that is, I) left over something even less substantial than an insubstantial quarrel. I added a word to Gurn's list of undesirable personal attributes not to be used - "dimwitted" - I think it was and I breathed fire that it was censored.  The humor, I thought, was obvious and no offense intended to anyone.  But, never underestimate the possibility of being misunderstood in this medium.  Little did I realize until the next morning that the appellation applied to me, doubly so, for not dealing with the situation proactively and for abandoning a fun and informative forum.  The Dragon (that is, I) was very sad to lose his friends, withered, and died.  Many months passed before the possibility of resurrection as a ghost arose.  Good name, I thought, for I definitely felt as insubstantial as a specter might and with the same desire to reach out to the living.  Hat tip to DSCH71 for blowing my cover.  I wondered how I was ever going to come out from under the sheet.  Boo!  Apologies and a grateful thank you to those who missed Z7.

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 06:06:02 PM
;D ;D
Sorry for blowing your cover and I apologize if I embarrassed you too.
Just wanted to say welcome back to yourself and the other people who have re-joined us again lately.
I think Id better bow out of this thread now and get back to listening.. :)

Not a problem, frankly relieved and grateful to you.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 02, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 06:08:56 PM
Not a problem, frankly relieved and grateful to you.  :)

Ah but what if he's an impostor? Perhaps this nefarious so-called "Ghost Sonata" as merely stolen the identity of ZD7?

Or is thinking that possible .... dimwitted?

;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 02, 2016, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: DSCH71 on September 02, 2016, 03:21:03 PM
Come on dude - why does it have to serve a purpose? Its just a bit of fun: changing your identitiy.
As the others pointed out already you change your avatar regularly - I seen you change it 2 or 3 times in one day even.
Like I said to Harry already people need to pay a bit more attention to whats going on - I hope you aren't making some comment about me changing my username: I mean, good grief I been using the same avatar for a while now and I put my name in my Signature so how could you not know who I am :o

All I'm saying is user name changes are more confusing for me. I can change avatars 20 times a day if wanted to, but other members' reactions would probably be "Oh, MI is at it again." ;D I'm not just making a comment about your user name change, but to anyone that's felt the need to do so. You're confusing me! :D That is all. Peace! 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 02, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 02, 2016, 07:10:59 PM
All I'm saying is user name changes are more confusing for me. I can change avatars 20 times a day if wanted to, but other members' reactions would probably be "Oh, MI is at it again." ;D I'm not just making a comment about your user name change, but to anyone that's felt the need to do so. You're confusing me! :D That is all. Peace! 8)

No worries, thanks for your reply - Im all for a peaceful life too! :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 03, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
Welcome back, ZD7! Good to see you again!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on September 03, 2016, 03:47:21 AM
Quote from: Que on September 02, 2016, 04:51:51 PM
I really hope he returns soon... I really like him and appreciated him as a very valued member and very amiable and civil person.

Same here.

Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 05:58:08 PM
The Dragon (that is, I)

Welcome back!

For what is worth, I also find name changes confusing (avatar changes not so much) and as for signatures, I have them disabled since virtually forever (some of them were elaborately long and disruptive of thread flow).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on September 03, 2016, 03:51:05 AM
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 02, 2016, 05:58:08 PM
Good name, I thought...

It is good, keep it! Too much emphasis on symphonies in this forum, anyway.  $:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 03, 2016, 03:54:33 AM
Is your new name a reference to the Strindberg work?

Yes, welcome back, Wandering Prodigal Dragon!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on September 03, 2016, 03:57:05 AM
Quote from: André on September 01, 2016, 02:40:13 PM
I, too, miss Maciek  :( 


And his famous quote of 'Ban them all !'  :laugh:

8)

I also hope he'll return someday.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 03, 2016, 05:04:18 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 02, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Ah but what if he's an impostor? Perhaps this nefarious so-called "Ghost Sonata" as merely stolen the identity of ZD7?

Or is thinking that possible .... dimwitted?

;)

Drat! Busted AGAIN!!  :'(  You guys are waaay too clever and smart for a dimwitted dragon and his spurious specter.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 03, 2016, 05:23:20 AM
Quote from: Cato on September 03, 2016, 03:54:33 AM
Is your new name a reference to the Strindberg work?

Yes, welcome back, Wandering Prodigal Dragon!  0:)

Thank you so much.  Yup, and along with it the Beethoven, of course; Strindberg's play (and its focus on death and deceit) seemed an apt analogy for my stealth op. It's an incredible play and one that rewards re-readings, if you can stomach it, that is.  Always wondered how much I might be missing by not being able to read the orig. Swedish.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 03, 2016, 08:44:40 AM
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 03, 2016, 05:23:20 AM
Thank you so much.  Yup, and along with it the Beethoven, of course; Strindberg's play (and its focus on death and deceit) seemed an apt analogy for my stealth op. It's an incredible play and one that rewards re-readings, if you can stomach it, that is.  Always wondered how much I might be missing by not being able to read the orig. Swedish.
Hey! You can read Maupassant in French! Cut yer whining!  :P :laugh:

I can barely manage GdM in French, slowly.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 03, 2016, 09:43:31 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 03, 2016, 08:44:40 AM
Hey! You can read Maupassant in French! Cut yer whining!  :P :laugh:
I can barely manage GdM in French, slowly.  :(

J'aime me plaindre : ça fait s'enfuir les Furies, tu sais? Because of his journalistic style and the fact he was writing for the masses, Maupassant is an easy read.  You're Canadian, it's in your blood, man!  In any case, he translates well.  Some authors are nearly untranslatable, Strindberg I suspect is one, but dunno for certain.  Kafka's a good example of untranslatable, his prose is more musical and also funnier than English translations can muster.  And then, there's someone like Poe; I think the French are right - Edgar's better in French than in English...  And speaking of whining, glad you came back to the fold, Ken B. Missed ya'! 0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 03, 2016, 06:59:39 PM
I still lament the departure of Sid. He was a person I met on Talk Classical about seven years ago and we enjoyed correspondence until his leaving GMG. Very knowledgeable person with a keen sense of wanting to know music from the inside out.

It's a shame to think about really all the great people forums lose over time. Sometimes it's real life duties or obligations that come beckoning. Sometimes it's complete dissatisfaction with a forum itself. Whatever the cause may be, it's never a good thing to bid farewell to someone you've enjoyed conversing with about this passion that we all share and want to share with others.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 03, 2016, 10:18:33 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 03, 2016, 06:59:39 PM
I still lament the departure of Sid. He was a person I met on Talk Classical about seven years ago and we enjoyed correspondence until his leaving GMG. Very knowledgeable person with a keen sense of wanting to know music from the inside out.

Yes its shame about Sid - he left TC now too so he's nowhere to be found (as far as I know).
From what I could tell he just got pissed off with the negativity and politics of being in a social media group - can kind of understand his displeasure sometimes.
This is quite a good group though and certainly much less hostile/trolly than TC for instance - we aren't doing too bad: had a lot of people rejoin us in the last few months which is good :).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Maciek on September 04, 2016, 01:31:26 PM
So, against my better judgment, I peeked into the last page of this thread, and saw the post from Wanderer with the quote from André, which in turn led me to Christo's reply - and now I feel so totally embarrassed! But in a nice way, also. Thank you for remembering me, guys! I do lurk sometimes (what better proof than this post ;D). And even do an occasional search for recording recommendations... ;D Even if I am not very active, and don't read the forum regularly, this place still remains very important to me. I mean really very important! I have learned so much here, and continue to learn, and have got to know wonderful people here, and will probably be getting to know more wonderful people. Thank you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 04, 2016, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2016, 01:31:26 PM
So, against my better judgment, I peeked into the last page of this thread, and saw the post from Wanderer with the quote from André, which in turn led me to Christo's reply - and now I feel so totally embarrassed! But in a nice way, also. Thank you for remembering me, guys! I do lurk sometimes (what better proof than this post ;D). And even do an occasional search for recording recommendations... ;D Even if I am not very active, and don't read the forum regularly, this place still remains very important to me. I mean really very important! I have learned so much here, and continue to learn, and have got to know wonderful people here, and will probably be getting to know more wonderful people. Thank you!

YAY!  Maciek is big, bad, and back in action! 0:)  How are things in Poland and with the family?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on September 05, 2016, 05:05:35 PM
Another returning member
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3732.msg995488.html#msg995488
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 07:22:15 PM
Since this thread seems to be as much about returning members as absent ones, it seems a good place to reintroduce myself. I've been inactive for about a year now, but probably hadn't posted regularly enough in the years before that for folks to have noticed my absence. After the busy-ness of buying a first house and going through more of a jazz and pop listening period, the classical bug has hit again, and I just read through the entire complete Beethoven sonatas thread over the weekend! Thanks again to all the members who make the site such a valuable source of information!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2016, 07:35:49 PM
Welcome back, NorthNYMark! Good to see you again. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 06, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 07:22:15 PM
Since this thread seems to be as much about returning members as absent ones, it seems a good place to reintroduce myself. I've been inactive for about a year now, but probably hadn't posted regularly enough in the years before that for folks to have noticed my absence. After the busy-ness of buying a first house and going through more of a jazz and pop listening period, the classical bug has hit again, and I just read through the entire complete Beethoven sonatas thread over the weekend! Thanks again to all the members who make the site such a valuable source of information!

Welcome back - we are practically kin (I'm orig. from Rochester).  Well, that's an exaggeration ??? but welcome back indeed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 07:52:25 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 06, 2016, 07:35:49 PM
Welcome back, NorthNYMark! Good to see you again. 8)

Thanks, John! Good to see you again as well.

(And please feel free to call me Mark-- the screen name is simply meant to suggest "Mark, from Northern New York," though I'm not sure it reads that way).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on September 06, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Welcome back - we are practically kin (I'm orig. from Rochester).  Well, that's an exaggeration ??? but welcome back indeed!

Thanks, Ghost Sonata! I grew up mainly in the Cleveland area, but lived in Rochester for many years, first as a grad student at U of R, and then for a few more years teaching at SUNY Geneseo. Currently in remote Canton, in the North Country--I miss many things about Rochester.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2016, 08:58:10 PM
Quote from: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 07:52:25 PM
Thanks, John! Good to see you again as well.

(And please feel free to call me Mark-- the screen name is simply meant to suggest "Mark, from Northern New York," though I'm not sure it reads that way).

Will do, Mark. :) By the way, you'll have to refresh my memory, what composers are you into? I remember us having several common favorites.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 06, 2016, 08:58:10 PM
Will do, Mark. :) By the way, you'll have to refresh my memory, what composers are you into? I remember us having several common favorites.

I think our main areas of overlapping interest include Shostakovich, Bartok, Ligeti, and Sibelius. I also enjoy the Second Vienna School, but don't remember whether you do. I also listen to a lot of Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, and Liszt, which I recall are not favorites of yours. I also enjoy exploring various 19th and 20th century (and beyond) composers whose works get discussed here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 07, 2016, 01:19:55 AM
Welcome back, Mark!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 07, 2016, 06:29:04 AM
Quote from: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 09:37:22 PM
I think our main areas of overlapping interest include Shostakovich, Bartok, Ligeti, and Sibelius. I also enjoy the Second Vienna School, but don't remember whether you do. I also listen to a lot of Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, and Liszt, which I recall are not favorites of yours. I also enjoy exploring various 19th and 20th century (and beyond) composers whose works get discussed here.

We do have some composers in common indeed. Yes, I love the Second Viennese School. I like Beethoven and Brahms. Shostakovich is a composer I haven't spent much time with lately, but I do clearly like his music a lot. Bartok is, of course, an absolute favorite. Ligeti I enjoy but I wouldn't say he's a 'favorite'. Sibelius is another one of my favorite composers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 07, 2016, 02:27:45 PM
Quote from: Maciek on September 04, 2016, 01:31:26 PM
So, against my better judgment, I peeked into the last page of this thread, and saw the post from Wanderer with the quote from André, which in turn led me to Christo's reply - and now I feel so totally embarrassed! But in a nice way, also. Thank you for remembering me, guys! I do lurk sometimes (what better proof than this post ;D). And even do an occasional search for recording recommendations... ;D Even if I am not very active, and don't read the forum regularly, this place still remains very important to me. I mean really very important! I have learned so much here, and continue to learn, and have got to know wonderful people here, and will probably be getting to know more wonderful people. Thank you!

Mack the Knife !  ;) You're my hero !

You opened my ears to polish music a decade ago. At the time I knew only of Chopin, Lutoslawski and Penderecki. I'm proud now to have a whole section of my collection devoted to all these other wonderful classical and modern composers ! Welcome back !!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NorthNYMark on September 07, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 07, 2016, 01:19:55 AM
Welcome back, Mark!

Thank you kindly, Karl!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on September 08, 2016, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.

I hope all is well and I am looking forward to seeing you back here soon!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on September 08, 2016, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.

OMG the posting quota will go down dramatically.. :laugh: :laugh:
Settle your things, and come again.
After all you keep the CD'S companies alive single handedly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 08, 2016, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.

Best luck and come back soon (with a new avatar, of course)!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 08, 2016, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: NorthNYMark on September 06, 2016, 07:22:15 PM
Since this thread seems to be as much about returning members as absent ones, it seems a good place to reintroduce myself. I've been inactive for about a year now, but probably hadn't posted regularly enough in the years before that for folks to have noticed my absence. After the busy-ness of buying a first house and going through more of a jazz and pop listening period, the classical bug has hit again, and I just read through the entire complete Beethoven sonatas thread over the weekend! Thanks again to all the members who make the site such a valuable source of information!

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on September 09, 2016, 04:49:34 AM
Godspeed, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 09, 2016, 05:39:24 AM
Quote from: Harry's corner on September 08, 2016, 10:18:58 PM
OMG the posting quota will go down dramatically.. :laugh: :laugh:

Reminds me of the comment on Rosalyn Tureck's death: "The average tempo of Bach-playing by live artists has immediately increased 10%."

Will miss you, John. We had our spats in years past but I can safely now say we've become friends.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on September 09, 2016, 06:00:29 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.

Haste ye back. But in the meantime, take it easy, man.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on September 09, 2016, 06:31:32 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.
Take good care of youreslf, and enjoy your sabbatical, John. I look forward to reading you again when you come back (particularly, what I expect/hope will be a loooong post of "Purchases over the past couple of months"  ;) ).

Best regards,

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 09, 2016, 08:14:48 AM
A bientot.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 09, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
Here's hoping MI's absence from GMG lasts as long as his absence from online CD sales (well, and that he gets things sorted out satisfactorily).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on September 09, 2016, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.

"Don't be gone long
Be back soon.
Give me one long,
Last look...
Bless you.
Remember our old tune...
Be back soon!"  Fagin in Oliver

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: HIPster on September 09, 2016, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 08, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
I'll be taking a prolonged break from GMG and probably will return in December or early January. I've got some things in my life that I need to attend to. All the best to my friends here. It's been fun! But don't for a second think this is goodbye, because, it's not, it's merely a much overdue break and a need to focus on things in my actual life.

All the best to you Mirror Image!

Cheers, my friend!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 09, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
 :-* MI.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 09, 2016, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: André on September 09, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
:-* MI.

Michigan thanks you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 09, 2016, 03:40:48 PM
 ;D

I'd like to thank the State of Michigan, my parents, children, teachers, neighbours...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on September 10, 2016, 10:53:20 PM
Just checked in on this thread.

Welcome back, Ghost Sonata and Mark. Also congrats on the house, Mark.

Take care, Mirror Image, and return whenever you're ready.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 18, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 09, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
Here's hoping MI's absence from GMG lasts as long as his absence from online CD sales (well, and that he gets things sorted out satisfactorily).
CALLED IT!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 18, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
CALLED IT!


:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 18, 2016, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 08:51:52 AM

:P
I was disappointed because as soon as you left, I started a crazy big binge of 20th century obscure orchestral works, without you around to comment on all of them. You can go through my history, now...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 18, 2016, 09:26:28 AM
I was disappointed because as soon as you left, I started a crazy big binge of 20th century obscure orchestral works, without you around to comment on all of them. You can go through my history, now...

Very nice, Brian. I'll take a look at your history now and comment wherever I feel inclined.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on September 18, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
Welcome back, John! Good to see you here...

Regards,

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 10:37:23 AM
Quote from: ritter on September 18, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
Welcome back, John! Good to see you here...

Regards,

Thanks so much, ritter! Good to see you as well!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NorthNYMark on September 18, 2016, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: Pat B on September 10, 2016, 10:53:20 PM
Just checked in on this thread.

Welcome back, Ghost Sonata and Mark. Also congrats on the house, Mark.

Take care, Mirror Image, and return whenever you're ready.

Thanks so much, Pat!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on September 18, 2016, 01:09:50 PM
I saw Mirror Image has posted a few times and I began to wonder if I had overslept by a few months or something???? MI has returned so quickly??? Maybe I shouldn't be surprised! GMG is not GMG without Mirror Image!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 01:12:02 PM
Quote from: jessop on September 18, 2016, 01:09:50 PM
I saw Mirror Image has posted a few times and I began to wonder if I had overslept by a few months or something???? MI has returned so quickly??? Maybe I shouldn't be surprised! GMG is not GMG without Mirror Image!

Hah! Thanks, Jessop, but I had full confidence that GMG would be fine without me even for that brief period of my absence. In fact, GMG has existed way before my time, so, again, I had no worries. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 18, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 01:12:02 PM
Hah! Thanks, Jessop, but I had full confidence that GMG would be fine without me even for that brief period of my absence. In fact, GMG has existed way before my time, so, again, I had no worries. :)

You had the BIS sales department worried though.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 18, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 01:12:02 PM
Hah! Thanks, Jessop, but I had full confidence that GMG would be fine without me even for that brief period of my absence. In fact, GMG has existed way before my time, so, again, I had no worries. :)

Next time, though, you have to be away for more than three days before posting a departure message.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 18, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
Next time, though, you have to be away for more than three days before posting a departure message.

Well, to my credit, I was gone for eight days, but, yes, I shouldn't have posted a departing message since we all know I can't stay away for too long. I've got GMG-itis! ;D

Btw, I read your post a page or two back in response to my departure and I'm proud to call you my friend as well. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on September 18, 2016, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 04:38:07 PM
Well, to my credit, I was gone for eight days, but, yes, I shouldn't have posted a departing message since we all know I can't stay away for too long. I've got GMG-itis! ;D

Btw, I read your post a page or two back in response to my departure and I'm proud to call you my friend as well. :)

Hey, we all need all the friends we can get!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 18, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 18, 2016, 06:41:59 PM
Hey, we all need all the friends we can get!

In true Karl fashion: QFT.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: hpowders on September 21, 2016, 09:13:23 AM
Folks, I enjoyed my one week stay on your forum.

I must do it again sometime.  :)

Regards,

hp
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 21, 2016, 09:19:39 AM
You aren't going?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on September 21, 2016, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: hpowders on September 21, 2016, 09:13:23 AM
Folks, I enjoyed my one week stay on your forum.

I must do it again sometime.  :)

Regards,

hp
But the poll regarding your username hasn't closed yet! We need to confirm the result!!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on September 21, 2016, 11:54:57 PM
Quote from: jessop on September 21, 2016, 03:01:48 PM
But the poll regarding your username hasn't closed yet! We need to confirm the result!!!!

Don't be too upset. He'll be back in few days as usual
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on September 24, 2016, 08:08:16 AM
Jens (jlaurson) has left the GMG building?
He's now a guest....

That's truly a pity.

:(

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 25, 2016, 03:46:14 AM
Quote from: Marc on September 24, 2016, 08:08:16 AM
Jens (jlaurson) has left the GMG building?
He's now a guest....

That's truly a pity.

:(

Yes, he's gone. He pm'd me with an explanation for his decision shortly before deleting his account.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Quote from: Marc on September 24, 2016, 08:08:16 AM
Jens (jlaurson) has left the GMG building?
He's now a guest....

That's truly a pity.

:(

What? That's a shame. I liked Jens.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on September 25, 2016, 08:30:05 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 25, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
What? That's a shame. I liked Jens.
yes, me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on September 25, 2016, 08:39:34 AM
Because his "Faschist" thread title was changed by mods? Seems like an overreaction...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on September 25, 2016, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 25, 2016, 08:39:34 AM
Because his "Faschist" thread title was changed by mods? Seems like an overreaction...

Dunno about that.
Was it a 'Diner' thread?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on September 25, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
Quote from: Marc on September 25, 2016, 09:38:25 AM
Dunno about that.
Was it a 'Diner' thread?
Johann Friedrich Fasch (1688 - 1758) (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,26242.0.html), first named 'First International Union of Faschists' by Jens.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 25, 2016, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: Marc on September 25, 2016, 09:38:25 AM
Dunno about that.
Was it a 'Diner' thread?
No, about Fasch.
I recall a "Faschist" too but cannot find it. Was that the tread name? Or just his article's hook?
I would object to such a change. Of course I objected to Saul being singled out too.
However a note on the thread says it was edited to remove a PM that was published without permission. Removing that was entirely proper.

Update: on further thought maybe it wouldn't be proper if the PM was from a moderator discussing an alleged infraction. That is not actually a private personal message, it is a ruling of the adjudicators and they should have no right to seal their judgments. Is this a Star Chamber?

So I ask Knight66, was the PM removed from a moderator or moderators giving a ruling?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on September 25, 2016, 10:16:16 AM
(http://i.imgbox.com/sBR85Dme.jpg)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 25, 2016, 10:21:05 AM
Quote from: Marc on September 25, 2016, 10:16:16 AM
(http://i.imgbox.com/sBR85Dme.jpg)
I was unaware concern for the rights of members or transparency deserves mockery. Thanks for enlightening me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on September 25, 2016, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 25, 2016, 10:21:05 AM
I was unaware concern for the rights of members or transparency deserves mockery. Thanks for enlightening me.

Dunno if clarification is needed, but it's just my reaction to a rather sad story. It shouldn't have happened.
A mouse turned into an elephant IMHO.
But I won't put the blame.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on September 25, 2016, 10:24:47 AM
Jens is not around to defend himself. So I am not going into any detail, but he was not in any way asked to leave.

The PMs published were not rullings, they were discussions. It is not acceptable for any PMs between any menbers to be published without the prior agreement of the other party. Publishing what is private correspondence between members can lead to various kinds of problems. It is not specified within the current rules, but it has certainly been the practice here in the 10 years I have been around.

It does not matter whether a mod is involved, you need to know that whatever you write on a PM is not going to be published; if it is, it would be removed. The only exception I can think of is where a member has died and is quoted by others by way of a tribute, which I think did happen when Iago passed away.

Knight

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 25, 2016, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: knight66 on September 25, 2016, 10:24:47 AM
Jens is not around to defend himself. So I am not going into any detail, but he was not in any way asked to leave.

The PMs published were not rullings, they were discussions. It is not acceptable for any PMs between any menbers to be published without the prior agreement of the other party. Publishing what is private correspondence between members can lead to various kinds of problems. It is not specified within the current rules, but it has certainly been the practice here in the 10 years I have been around.

It does not matter whether a mod is involved, you need to know that whatever you write on a PM is not going to be published; if it is, it would be removed. The only exception I can think of is where a member has died and is quoted by others by way of a tribute, which I think did happen when Iago passed away.

Knight

It does matter if the note is a ruling or notification rather than a discussion. Are you claiming that moderator's rulings are private communications? They are not, that is the very definition of a star chamber.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on September 25, 2016, 10:29:15 AM
Quote from: knight66 on September 25, 2016, 10:24:47 AM
Jens is not around to defend himself. So I am not going into any detail, but he was not in any way asked to leave.

The PMs published were not rullings, they were discussions. It is not acceptable for any PMs between any menbers to be published without the prior agreement of the other party. Publishing what is private correspondence between members can lead to various kinds of problems. It is not specified within the current rules, but it has certainly been the practice here in the 10 years I have been around.

It does not matter whether a mod is involved, you need to know that whatever you write on a PM is not going to be published; if it is, it would be removed. The only exception I can think of is where a member has died and is quoted by others by way of a tribute, which I think did happen when Iago passed away.

Knight

Well, here's hoping that Jens will return.
He was a valuable member IMO.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on September 25, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 25, 2016, 10:28:47 AM
It does matter if the note is a ruling or notification rather than a discussion. Are you claiming that moderator's rulings are private communications? They are not, that is the very definition of a star chamber.

And when you invest your own money in your own forum, you are welcome to make whatever rules you want. For now, this is the way it is. This is NOT a democracy, is not paid for by "the people" and has run very well for the last 15 years without every word from the moderators being made public.

GB
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on September 25, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 25, 2016, 10:28:47 AM
It does matter if the note is a ruling or notification rather than a discussion. Are you claiming that moderator's rulings are private communications? They are not, that is the very definition of a star chamber.

Ken, I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I explained that the PMs published were discussions.

End of.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on September 25, 2016, 10:40:40 AM
And here's hoping that Jens's leaving won't lead to another rumble.

Wish I had not made my remark.

Let's blabber about music, shall we, plz?

(Don't know what happened to me, I'm in a peaceful mood today. :P)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 25, 2016, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: knight66 on September 25, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
Ken, I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I explained that the PMs published were discussions.

End of.

Knight

I suggest you re read what I wrote. I agreed that if it was a discussion taking it down was appropriate. But I asked about the policy for rulings and judgments. You have not answered. I read from GB is that moderators do assert that their rulings can be sealed as if they were just private messages. I think that ridiculous and frankly shows a lack of intellectual integrity. It is perfectly true that this is a private enterprise and the moderators have the power to do as they please, but that is different from pretending to be fair or to be following rules.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on September 25, 2016, 11:08:36 AM
Ken, Gurn explained the position. I note your conspiricy theory attitude, and the direct insults. I don't see there will be much fruitful discussion about this with you at this time. What I will say is that I have written to Rob to ask for him to decide on whether a new explicit rule on PMs is needed. Additionally, if a rulling was of general application we would make it known, and indeed that has been done.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 25, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Really sad to hear about Jens. A great contributor and a voice for sanity and very interesting music. Plus, I was busy writing a review of his book! Maybe he couldn't handle the suspense ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on September 25, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: Brian on September 25, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Really sad to hear about Jens. A great contributor and a voice for sanity and very interesting music.

Ditto. I hope he'll return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 26, 2016, 03:05:59 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on September 25, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
Ditto. I hope he'll return.

I too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on September 26, 2016, 07:13:54 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 25, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Really sad to hear about Jens. A great contributor and a voice for sanity and very interesting music.

A shame that such a well-informed long-participating poster has left. An example of how moderator intervention, even well intentioned, can result in hard feelings.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on September 26, 2016, 07:35:22 AM
Just a couple of days ago I saw myself sharing with Jens our apparently boundless enthusaism for the Herheim prioduction of Parsifal in Bayreuth. I felt aesthetically very close to him at that moment. But even when he commented on repertoire I'm not really that much into, he was interesting to read, gave insightful contributions, and always with style. I do hope he comes back soon.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on September 26, 2016, 08:31:08 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on September 26, 2016, 07:13:54 AM
An example of how moderator intervention, even well intentioned, can result in hard feelings.

True, even the mildest and objectively rather innocent form of intervention can offset an unexpected and undesirable chain of events and result in hard feelings.

But it is also true for doing nothing....

You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't....And so it goes.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 26, 2016, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: Que on September 26, 2016, 08:31:08 AM

You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't....And so it goes.

Q

So very true.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on September 26, 2016, 12:59:47 PM
In the WAYLTN thread, I brought up Moonfish, who's been absent for ages from GMG. Anyone know of his wherabouts? I (and I know other GMGers) miss him...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on September 26, 2016, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on September 26, 2016, 01:08:53 PM
I'm missing from that other classical forum if that counts?  :laugh:
We should have built that wall, but it's too late now... :D

Just kidding! Welcome, refugees! Hope you enjoy it at GMG... :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 26, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: ritter on September 26, 2016, 12:59:47 PM
In the WAYLTN thread, I brought up Moonfish, who's been absent for ages from GMG. Anyone know of his wherabouts? I (and I know other GMGers) miss him...

It's been a little over a year since Peter was last on GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 05, 2016, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 05, 2016, 01:15:41 AM
I think this may be me shortly, but I like GMG, so unlike TC, I'll be back.
I need a few weeks away from the internet (apart from emails) and I also need to sort my personal shit in my life out.

______________
In the meantime, after my temporary hiatus I'll be listening to Indian.classical music, Hindu devotional music, some metal, some prog rock, some funk, trip hop, some jazz, plus my obligatory Xenakis and then Mahler, Berlioz, Messiaen, Stockhausen and some recent discoveries.

Do come back.  And if you do take a break, don't deactivate your account;  just take a break  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on October 05, 2016, 02:44:25 AM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 05, 2016, 01:15:41 AM
I think this may be me shortly, but I like GMG, so unlike TC, I'll be back.
I need a few weeks away from the internet (apart from emails) and I also need to sort my personal shit in my life out.

______________
In the meantime, after my temporary hiatus I'll be listening to Indian.classical music, Hindu devotional music, some metal, some prog rock, some funk, trip hop, some jazz, plus my obligatory Xenakis and then Mahler, Berlioz, Messiaen, Stockhausen and some recent discoveries.

I'm going to miss your enthusiastic posts...come back soon, amico!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 09, 2016, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 09, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
Sorry for the red flag, I'll be staying (I wasn't planning to go permanently) but I may disappear now and again.

You know, as a human. Sometimes I get ahead of myself and have really bad days/weeks. My personal life has been a deadly roller-coaster lately (no I don't do drugs). I think the best thing to do sometimes is go for a long walk  ;)

Gio, Karl, Jessop, Petr, etc. I'm still here friends!
;D

(and working on a piano Concerto, orchestral suite and numerous cycles!)

Excellent; carry on.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on October 10, 2016, 01:14:20 AM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 09, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
Sorry for the red flag, I'll be staying (I wasn't planning to go permanently) but I may disappear now and again.

You know, as a human. Sometimes I get ahead of myself and have really bad days/weeks. My personal life has been a deadly roller-coaster lately (no I don't do drugs). I think the best thing to do sometimes is go for a long walk  ;)

Gio, Karl, Jessop, Petr, etc. I'm still here friends!
;D

(and working on a piano Concerto, orchestral suite and numerous cycles!)

I have already seen you around again ;)
Yes, a long walk does work most of the times...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Senta on October 14, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Was quite amused to find this thread, and see a mention - thanks for thinking of me!!

(I used to have another Wagner name ;) after I switched away from my given name on GMG)

I have been a lurker at times and keep up with several of you on the book of faces!

Back when I used to post all the time I was finishing school, but since then in the past 5 yrs I've moved, gotten a pretty busy job, and then got married..so got out of the habit of forum posting.

Now things feel more settled I may have time now and then to pop in, I feel the itch to write about music again and also could use the GMG impetus to listen to more new pieces and composers ;)

In the meantime, I have spent time with a little bit of everything musically (went on a huge blues/funk kick for a while), enjoyed a lot of different live music as well!

Anyway - glad to be back! You know it's been a long time when you start forgetting who on Facebook belonged to what names on GMG..

Been thoroughly enjoying catching up on threads, but was very sad to hear Iago had passed away :( He will be missed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 15, 2016, 01:22:12 AM
Greta!  :)

Wow, that brings back some good memories.... A very warm welcome back! :)

Q

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 15, 2016, 02:00:29 AM
Hi there, Santa! It seems we don't know each other, but I'm looking forward to reading more posts from you. :) That Stravinsky concert you posted about recently sound amazing!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 15, 2016, 02:17:49 AM
Quote from: jessop on October 15, 2016, 02:00:29 AM
Hi there, Santa! It seems we don't know each other, but I'm looking forward to reading more posts from you. :) That Stravinsky concert you posted about recently sound amazing!!!

The lady's forum name is Senta.....  :D after the character from Wagner's Flying Dutchman...

Hope you visit is more often than once in every seven years, Senta!  8)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 15, 2016, 02:19:41 AM
Do stick around, Greta.

Quote from: Que on October 15, 2016, 02:17:49 AM
The lady's forum name is Senta.....  :D after the character from Wagner's Flying Dutchman...

Hope you visit is more often than once in every seven years, Senta!  8)

Q
Well, Santa was clause enough, I suppose.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 15, 2016, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: Que on October 15, 2016, 02:17:49 AM
The lady's forum name is Senta.....  :D after the character from Wagner's Flying Dutchman...

Hope you visit is more often than once in every seven years, Senta!  8)

Q
Lol this is what happens when I type on my phone and autocracy does its wonders
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 15, 2016, 02:40:14 AM
Quote from: jessop on October 15, 2016, 02:39:27 AM
Lol this is what happens when I type on my phone and autocracy does its wonders
By 'autocracy' I meant 'autocorrect'
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 15, 2016, 02:52:03 AM
Quote from: jessop on October 15, 2016, 02:40:14 AM
By 'autocracy' I meant 'autocorrect'
*chortle*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 15, 2016, 03:00:08 AM
Quote from: North Star on October 15, 2016, 02:52:03 AM
*chortle*
Actually it works either way :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 15, 2016, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: jessop on October 15, 2016, 02:39:27 AM
Lol this is what happens when I type on my phone and autocracy does its wonders

I know... it's automated oppression.  :D
Turns people's names into offence words, and you press "send" without realising it...happened to me many times over...

Well, as long as it's not my boss.... 8)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 15, 2016, 05:18:21 AM
Quote from: jessop on October 15, 2016, 02:40:14 AM
By 'autocracy' I meant 'autocorrect'

That's beautiful.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 15, 2016, 05:29:16 AM
I thought you meant autocrazy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 15, 2016, 05:45:01 AM
Quote from: The new erato on October 15, 2016, 05:29:16 AM
I thought you meant autocrazy.

(* bites his tongue *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 18, 2016, 06:29:02 AM
I really miss my buddies Ray (ChamberNut) and Daniel (MadAboutMahler) right now. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on October 18, 2016, 06:34:36 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 18, 2016, 06:29:02 AM
I really miss my buddies Ray (ChamberNut) and Daniel (MadAboutMahler) right now. :(

Yes Ray has been a long time now. As I said before we both share a fanatical love for ballet music, and there are not many around with which you can share such devotion.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 29, 2016, 07:19:39 AM
I miss Peter (Moonfish). :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 29, 2016, 10:05:41 AM
Anyone seen the Mookster, Mookalafalas, recently?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 30, 2016, 03:50:12 PM
Each time I visit this thread, I'm reminded of this Moody Blues song:

https://www.youtube.com/v/cjImFYf2Vzc
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
I am no longer missing, not that anyone noticed someone missing who is always missing.  Got a message from Scarpia which has inspired me to have a rummage around here again.  Please don't say welcome back or anything, because as you know I come back then disappear within 24 hours..  Things have changed in my life giving me more focus.  I might last a wee bit longer, regardless...  :-)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 31, 2016, 08:22:31 AM
Quote from: Scots John on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
I am no longer missing, not that anyone noticed someone missing who is always missing.  Got a message from Scarpia which has inspired me to have a rummage around here again.  Please don't say welcome back or anything, because as you know I come back then disappear within 24 hours..  Things have changed in my life giving me more focus.  I might last a wee bit longer, regardless...  :-)
Nice!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 31, 2016, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: Scots John on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
I am no longer missing, not that anyone noticed someone missing who is always missing.  Got a message from Scarpia which has inspired me to have a rummage around here again.  Please don't say welcome back or anything, because as you know I come back then disappear within 24 hours..  Things have changed in my life giving me more focus.  I might last a wee bit longer, regardless...  :-)


We noticed you were missing, please notice.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on October 31, 2016, 09:17:36 AM
Quote from: Scots John on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
I am no longer missing...

Keep it that way. And what an inspired avatar choice!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 31, 2016, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: Scots John on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
I am no longer missing, not that anyone noticed someone missing who is always missing.  Got a message from Scarpia which has inspired me to have a rummage around here again.  Please don't say welcome back or anything, because as you know I come back then disappear within 24 hours..  Things have changed in my life giving me more focus.  I might last a wee bit longer, regardless...  :-)

This isn't a 'hello' but merely a 'goodbye'. ;) Good to see you around again, Johnny Boy. We've missed you here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 31, 2016, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: Scots John on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
I am no longer missing, not that anyone noticed someone missing who is always missing.  Got a message from Scarpia which has inspired me to have a rummage around here again.  Please don't say welcome back or anything, because as you know I come back then disappear within 24 hours..  Things have changed in my life giving me more focus.  I might last a wee bit longer, regardless...  :-)
Hi John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on October 31, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: Scots John on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
I am no longer missing, not that anyone noticed someone missing who is always missing.  Got a message from Scarpia which has inspired me to have a rummage around here again.  Please don't say welcome back or anything, because as you know I come back then disappear within 24 hours..  Things have changed in my life giving me more focus.  I might last a wee bit longer, regardless...  :-)

Good to see you back. I seem to recall that last time you said you were going to listen to some Schoenberg, and that was the last you were heard from for many a year. Better give it a wide berth.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 01, 2016, 03:49:16 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 31, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
Good to see you back. I seem to recall that last time you said you were going to listen to some Schoenberg, and that was the last you were heard from for many a year. Better give it a wide berth.

Spooky!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on November 01, 2016, 04:27:04 AM
Quote from: Scots John on October 31, 2016, 08:11:59 AMPlease don't say welcome back or anything, because as you know I come back then disappear within 24 hours..

You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello


Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: John Copeland on November 01, 2016, 04:42:04 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 01, 2016, 04:27:04 AM
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
Sarge

Groan...  :-[

Thanks all!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2016, 04:33:37 PM
I haven't seen Monkey Greg (Greg Moeller) in awhile. I hope he's doing okay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 07, 2016, 05:30:25 PM
I miss my good buddy Nate EigenUser.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2016, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 07, 2016, 05:30:25 PM
I miss my good buddy Nate EigenUser.

Yes! It's not unusual for Nate to take a break, though. I do wish he'd return as he'd have a ball conversing with Jessop and ThatFabulousAlien. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on November 07, 2016, 05:37:37 PM
The eve of the election and Todd has not resurfaced?!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2016, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on November 07, 2016, 05:36:49 PM
Yes, Nathanb is awesome!! He's like my Stockhausen guru  8)

Umm...he's the biggest Messiaen freak here. It is in this area which I think both of you will get along famously. Wait a minute...Nathanb isn't EigenUser is he? ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2016, 05:40:01 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on November 07, 2016, 05:39:40 PM
Wait you mean another Nathan?  :laugh:

I could do with a lecture from a fellow Messiaen fanatic.  8)

Yep..this one:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=9522
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on November 07, 2016, 06:12:05 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 07, 2016, 05:38:21 PM
Umm...he's the biggest Messiaen freak here. It is in this area which I think both of you will get along famously. Wait a minute...Nathanb isn't EigenUser is he? ???

I don't believe so. My Nate Eigenuser is Nate Giguère, the engineering student - violinist - powerlifter from Delaware. And such a charming young guy to talk to in person.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2016, 06:46:03 PM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on November 07, 2016, 06:12:05 PM
I don't believe so. My Nate Eigenuser is Nate Giguère, the engineering student - violinist - powerlifter from Delaware. And such a charming young guy to talk to in person.

Yep, that's the Nate I'm thinking of.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 08, 2016, 06:13:45 AM
Nathanb is from Dallas! Oddly, I've met the other Nate.

P.S. Scarpia, I think Todd is involved in some sort of job with highly seasonal busy periods - he was away from GMG during the early winter & holidays last year, too, and told me it was for work.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: nathanb on January 06, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
People were kind of sort of talking about me <3 <3 <3
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 07, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: nathanb on January 06, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
People were kind of sort of talking about me <3 <3 <3
PLEASE STAY FOREVER you are an inspiration to me
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: nathanb on January 07, 2017, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: jessop on January 07, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
PLEASE STAY FOREVER you are an inspiration to me

Honestly I didn't ever leave with intent, I just kinda got distracted for a while by.... some things.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 07, 2017, 11:20:38 PM
Quote from: nathanb on January 07, 2017, 08:51:20 PM
Honestly I didn't ever leave with intent, I just kinda got distracted for a while by.... some things.
What things?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 08, 2017, 02:26:35 AM
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 08, 2017, 12:20:59 PM
Quote from: jessop on January 07, 2017, 11:20:38 PM
What things?
Perhaps the rare Dallas snowfall brought Nathan back indoors to his computer.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: nathanb on January 08, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
To be honest, my 2nd to last semester of school had me strung out enough that I was pretty much continuously high for the entire month of December. Doing good now though.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on January 09, 2017, 04:23:44 AM
Quote from: nathanb on January 08, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
To be honest, my 2nd to last semester of school had me strung out enough that I was pretty much continuously high for the entire month of December. Doing good now though.
Well best of luck with everything upcoming!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 05, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
I've seen Monkey Greg (Greg Moeller) around in quite some time. I also miss Peter (Moonfish) and ChamberNut (Ray). :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 06, 2017, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 05, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
I've seen Monkey Greg (Greg Moeller) around in quite some time. I also miss Peter (Moonfish) and ChamberNut (Ray). :(
Greg Moeller just attended the Philip Glass birthday concert in NYC and tweeted a couple pictures from it. He probably just doesn't have time to stop by here at the moment, though his report from that concert would obviously be a fun read.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 06, 2017, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 05, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
I've seen Monkey Greg (Greg Moeller) around in quite some time. I also miss Peter (Moonfish) and ChamberNut (Ray). :(

I 'spoke' with Greg just yesterday, he was bemoaning the fact that his Jets weren't in the Super Bowl. He be otay... ;)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on February 06, 2017, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: Brian on February 06, 2017, 08:12:15 AM
Greg Moeller just attended the Philip Glass birthday concert in NYC and tweeted a couple pictures from it. He probably just doesn't have time to stop by here at the moment, though his report from that concert would obviously be a fun read.
I can't wait to hear YOUR thoughts on the new Glass symphony. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 06, 2017, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: Brian on February 06, 2017, 08:12:15 AM
Greg Moeller just attended the Philip Glass birthday concert in NYC and tweeted a couple pictures from it. He probably just doesn't have time to stop by here at the moment, though his report from that concert would obviously be a fun read.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 06, 2017, 08:24:40 AM
I 'spoke' with Greg just yesterday, he was bemoaning the fact that his Jets weren't in the Super Bowl. He be otay... ;)

8)

Okay, thanks guys. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on February 11, 2017, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: jessop on February 06, 2017, 01:12:17 PMI can't wait to hear YOUR thoughts on the new Glass symphony. :)
:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 12, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
Bogey (Bill) has been inactive for two months. Anyone heard from him?

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 12, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
Bogey (Bill) has been inactive for two months. Anyone heard from him?

Sarge

Damn, you're right. I haven't seen Bill in quite some time. I hope he and his family are okay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 21, 2017, 03:01:00 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 12, 2017, 12:58:40 PM
Damn, you're right. I haven't seen Bill in quite some time. I hope he and his family are okay.
Me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 23, 2017, 06:06:02 AM
Another member I've been lamenting for quite some time has been Octave. A really enthusiastic personality with a love for exploring more unknown repertoire.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on February 23, 2017, 06:08:47 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 23, 2017, 06:06:02 AM
Another member I've been lamenting for quite some time has been Octave. A really enthusiastic personality with a love for exploring more unknown repertoire.
Last seen: July 2014.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on February 23, 2017, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 23, 2017, 06:06:02 AM
Another member I've been lamenting for quite some time has been Octave. A really enthusiastic personality with a love for exploring more unknown repertoire.

Quote from: North Star on February 23, 2017, 06:08:47 AM
Last seen: July 2014.  :(

I agree, I hope he'll return some day.....

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: PotashPie on February 24, 2017, 02:28:30 PM
A new member named "alanwaston" mysteriously disappeared along with the thread he plagiarized from another site, "Approaches to Harmony" or something.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 24, 2017, 02:44:35 PM
Quote from: millionrainbows on February 24, 2017, 02:28:30 PM
A new member named "alanwaston" mysteriously disappeared along with the thread he plagiarized from another site, "Approaches to Harmony" or something.

Nothing mysterious about it: I disappeared him and his thread too.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 04, 2017, 07:07:06 PM
I miss Monkey Greg (Greg Moeller). :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 13, 2017, 05:37:32 AM
Bogey is back!
See 'Pickwick Club' thread.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 13, 2017, 05:41:02 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 13, 2017, 05:37:32 AM
Bogey is back!
See 'Pickwick Club' thread.
:)

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 04, 2017, 07:07:06 PM
I miss Monkey Greg (Greg Moeller). :(

As is Greg!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on March 13, 2017, 06:59:10 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 13, 2017, 05:41:02 AM
As is Greg!

Oh hey! I am back!  :) It's nice to be missed sometimes.

And even during my time away I would browse the forum every once in a while, just didn't post. This is still my favorite go-to spot for where and how to spend my money!  $:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Monsieur Croche on March 28, 2017, 06:56:28 PM
Quote from: nathanb on January 08, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
To be honest, my 2nd to last semester of school had me strung out enough that I was pretty much continuously high for the entire month of December. Doing good now though.

Ten years after completing conservatory undergrad w a piano performance major, I went for a second round bachelor-masters in theory and comp (piano minor, natch). Gen ed credits held, but since they were older than five years, none of the music credits counted.  I was in all essence, a freshman again.  As a full fledged adult ca. 30yo, it was 'easier' by that perspective.  When I was asked by people my age and then in their workplace what I was doing, and said 'went back to school,' they all said, "School is easy."  I thought to myself, "clearly, you never experienced being a fine arts major."  Lol.

Hope your performance (grade point average) was not affected... my hunch is it was not.  The anxiety over the expectations others have for you (family, profs, yourself) can make for an unbearable pressure.  It is easy to say 'just do this for yourself and meet your own expectations, because that is really enough.'  It is more difficult to do if you are a young person in college; still, your own expectations being enough and ignoring every other person's expectation is what I most recommend ;-)


Always best regards. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 29, 2017, 02:57:00 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on March 13, 2017, 06:59:10 AM
Oh hey! I am back!  :) It's nice to be missed sometimes.

And even during my time away I would browse the forum every once in a while, just didn't post. This is still my favorite go-to spot for where and how to spend my money!  $:)

Elective poverty!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2017, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on April 09, 2017, 11:56:09 AM
I'm beginning to think I should give the internet a break for a while

Do!  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 09, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on April 09, 2017, 11:56:09 AM
I'm beginning to think I should give the internet a break for a while

Don't. What would the dating thread be without your insanity?  ;D ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2017, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on April 09, 2017, 12:04:47 PM
I relish in the fact that

Don't!  ;D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 09, 2017, 12:08:50 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on April 09, 2017, 11:56:09 AM
I'm beginning to think I should give the internet a break for a while

Rather than the Internet, eliminate unnecessary websites... just not this one! 0:) ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2017, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 09, 2017, 12:08:50 PM
eliminate unnecessary websites... just not like this one! 0:) ;)

If only I could!...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 09, 2017, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on April 09, 2017, 11:56:09 AM
I'm beginning to think I should give the internet a break for a while

The decision is entirely your own of course. Personally speaking, I would give the internet a break, but, to be honest, I do a lot of reading on the internet about works or composers I'm interested in, so there you have it. Also, not coming here to bug the living daylights out of my fellow forum mates wouldn't be prudent to me. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2017, 02:43:31 AM
Your call to make, but selective surfing may do the trick as well as or better than an outright Internet fast.

And all the most selective surfers visit GMG  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on April 22, 2017, 05:21:31 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2017, 02:43:31 AM
Your call to make, but selective surfing may do the trick as well as or better than an outright Internet fast.

And all the most selective surfers visit GMG  0:)

Gave up CNN and Trump updates.  Feeling much better however ignorant of current events.  Ignorance is bliss, so I'm told...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 31, 2017, 05:00:03 AM
Quote from: neilasuolubaftahT on May 31, 2017, 02:07:18 AM
Snyprrr has disappeared off the face of the earth and now I feel lonely.  :'(

But I legitimately miss him around here, he's my sensei and a good pal. I hope he's alright  ???

I was going to mention snyprrr.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on May 31, 2017, 05:22:45 AM
Clinton lost and now Trump solved all of his problems, so there's nothing to compose unhinged rants about.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 31, 2017, 05:51:36 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on May 31, 2017, 05:22:45 AM
Clinton lost and now Trump solved all of his problems, so there's nothing to compose unhinged rants about.

There are a million conspiracy theories in the Naked City, my little buddy Snips will surely seize on one of them. I, for one, am unfailingly amused by the little rascal.  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 31, 2017, 09:00:27 AM
I actually understood a snyprrr post once.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 31, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
He's been abducted by the Mossad. Or was it the Illuminati?



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2017, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: Florestan on May 31, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
He's been abducted by the Mossad. Or was it the Illuminati?

Hillary finally took him out  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 31, 2017, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2017, 12:01:17 PM
Hillary finally took him out  ;D

Sarge
Barn door.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on May 31, 2017, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2017, 12:01:17 PM
Hillary finally took him out  ;D

Sarge

Knew too much about Vince Foster, evidently...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on May 31, 2017, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on May 31, 2017, 01:15:58 PM
Knew too much about Vince Foster, evidently...
You know, if Hillary really did have him assassinated these jokes are going to make us look very callous. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on June 01, 2017, 06:24:19 AM
Summoned by covfefe, obviously.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 01, 2017, 06:33:12 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 31, 2017, 09:00:27 AM
I actually understood a snyprrr post once.

What do you understand by "understood"?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on June 01, 2017, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: Ken B on May 31, 2017, 01:22:16 PM
You know, if Hillary really did have him assassinated these jokes are going to make us look very callous.

Or maybe his Mom changed the WiFi password again...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on June 01, 2017, 10:51:14 AM
It was the cat, I tell you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 01, 2017, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 01, 2017, 06:33:12 AM
What do you understand by "understood"?
Covfefe.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2017, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: North Star on June 01, 2017, 10:51:14 AM
It was the cat, I tell you!

;D :D ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: snyprrr on June 07, 2017, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2017, 12:01:17 PM
Hillary finally took him out  ;D

Sarge

That's no way to speak about The Most Highly Qualified Candidate of All Time!! ???

confetti :laugh:


And no, p**** had nothing to do with it! ;)... yet :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on June 15, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
Where's Mirror Image? I've just checked and he hasn't bought any music for the past 48 hours. ??? I do hope he's okay.  >:(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on June 15, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: NikF on June 15, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
Where's Mirror Image? I've just checked and he hasn't bought any music for the past 48 hours. ??? I do hope he's okay.  >:(

Listening to Progressive Rock and reading comic books, I believe. He's certainly been on a long break from classical music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spineur on June 16, 2017, 05:03:05 AM
How about San Antonio.  His last post was at the end of march.

San Antonio is a very famous detective serie written by Frédéric Dard.  Very humorous and vernacular.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/San-Antonio_(s%C3%A9rie) (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/San-Antonio_(s%C3%A9rie))

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 16, 2017, 05:22:19 AM
Quote from: Spineur on June 16, 2017, 05:03:05 AM
How about San Antonio.  His last post was at the end of march.

I think he despairs of justifying his support of El Tupé  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on June 16, 2017, 05:50:56 AM
Quote from: NikF on June 15, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
Where's Mirror Image? I've just checked and he hasn't bought any music for the past 48 hours. ??? I do hope he's okay.  >:(
He'll be back with a vengeance as no one with thousands of posts like he does will go away that easily.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on June 16, 2017, 07:05:56 AM
Quote from: Spineur on June 16, 2017, 05:03:05 AM
How about San Antonio.  His last post was at the end of march.

San Antonio is a very famous detective serie written by Frédéric Dard.  Very humorous and vernacular.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/San-Antonio_(s%C3%A9rie) (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/San-Antonio_(s%C3%A9rie))

He's kept radio silence before for several months and then reappeared a couple of times before. Presumably life and other stuff have his attention at the moment, and he will return eventually.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 18, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
RebLem has been missing for some months. Nor has he visited CMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 19, 2017, 01:12:30 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on June 16, 2017, 07:05:56 AM
He's kept radio silence before for several months and then reappeared a couple of times before. Presumably life and other stuff have his attention at the moment, and he will return eventually.

And, a fresh post (https://fdleone.com/2017/06/14/charlie-parr-extraordinary-performer/) on his blog less than a week ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on June 22, 2017, 11:52:01 PM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 22, 2017, 11:36:14 PM
Well he's de-activated his Facebook, so.....  :-[

That is very very unusual indeed. The last conversation I had with him over facebook was about Ives.......and that wasn't that long ago from what I recall. He seemed quite well, but maybe there are just other things he would like to focus on at the moment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NJ Joe on June 23, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 22, 2017, 11:36:14 PM
Well he's de-activated his Facebook, so.....  :-[

John and I were having an ongoing conversation on Facebook messenger.  He last replied to me Tuesday evening.  Yesterday (Thursday), I went to reply to him and his account was deactivated.
He gave no prior notice or warning.  I hope he's okay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on June 23, 2017, 05:20:52 PM
I'm sure that oor MI is okay. But even if he's not, I know that he's going to be okay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 23, 2017, 05:24:59 PM
Truly, there will be okayness, and in abundance.

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 24, 2017, 04:29:13 AM
Report when you may.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on June 25, 2017, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 23, 2017, 05:24:59 PM
Truly, there will be okayness, and in abundance.



Absolutely. Everyone is already okay or on the road to okay. Fact.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on June 25, 2017, 06:30:43 PM
Quote from: NikF on June 25, 2017, 04:21:01 PM
Absolutely. Everyone is already okay or on the road to okay. Fact.

If you acknowledge that it is ok to be dead, your statement is a truism. Otherwise, it is debatable. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on June 25, 2017, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on June 25, 2017, 06:30:43 PM
If you acknowledge that it is ok to be dead, your statement is a truism. Otherwise, it is debatable. :)
.

On teh internets if you place the word 'Fact' at the end of what you're stating then it becomes a fact. Fact. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 26, 2017, 03:30:18 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on June 29, 2017, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on June 25, 2017, 06:30:43 PM
If you acknowledge that it is ok to be dead, your statement is a truism. Otherwise, it is debatable. :)

"Death is not the handicap it used to be..." Red Dwarf
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 04, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 04, 2017, 01:10:26 AM
What happened to Greg?  ???

Greg comes and goes of late. Not to worry.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 04, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 04, 2017, 11:19:18 AM
But his account appears to be deleted? OK  ???

He's done that before (deleted his account). He always comes back.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 08:44:55 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 04, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
He's done that before (deleted his account). He always comes back.

Sarge

I take it you're referring to Anime Greg?

I'm here, haven't been very active lately with moving.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 05, 2017, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 08:44:55 AM
I'm here, haven't been very active lately with moving.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 05, 2017, 08:48:26 AM
Good luck!

Thanks! Moving to Nashville, and believe me I did plenty of research on "Do I have to like Country Music to enjoy Nashville?"  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2017, 10:05:24 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
Thanks! Moving to Nashville, and believe me I did plenty of research on "Do I have to like Country Music to enjoy Nashville?"  :)

From where?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 05, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
Thanks! Moving to Nashville, and believe me I did plenty of research on "Do I have to like Country Music to enjoy Nashville?"  :)

I have an old friend who sings opera in Nashville.

Not opry;  opera.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on July 05, 2017, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 05, 2017, 10:07:47 AMNot opry;  opera.

Snob!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 05, 2017, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
Thanks! Moving to Nashville, and believe me I did plenty of research on "Do I have to like Country Music to enjoy Nashville?"  :)
NSO is pretty cool. And the town's supposed to be great. Watch out for that hot chicken...it is hot.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 05, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
I have an old friend who sings opera in Nashville.

Not opry;  opera.

Cool! They are performing Piazzolla's Maria de Buenos Aires in 2017, which I will see.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 05, 2017, 10:22:34 AM
NSO is pretty cool. And the town's supposed to be great. Watch out for that hot chicken...it is hot.

Yeah, NSO is a good group, have a good schedule next year as well. And one of the more impressive North American halls...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 05, 2017, 11:33:59 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on July 05, 2017, 10:12:20 AM
Snob!  :)
Not at all; Greg might have thought that I was mispronouncing it. 0:)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 05, 2017, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
Cool! They are performing Piazzolla's Maria de Buenos Aires in 2017, which I will see.
¡Muy bien!

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on July 05, 2017, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 05, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
Cool! They are performing Piazzolla's Maria de Buenos Aires in 2017, which I will see.
Brilliant! Certainly a show not to miss.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on July 07, 2017, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: NikF on June 15, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
Where's Mirror Image? I've just checked and he hasn't bought any music for the past 48 hours. ??? I do hope he's okay.  >:(

I justed noticed that while he did not post, John/Mirror Image did check in on the first of this month (last Saturday).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 07, 2017, 07:00:31 PM
Don/Bulldog/Sammy* was last active at May 29, 2016. A year ago!

I hope he will eventually come back.

* New members can know his excellent reviews about Bach recordings, googling the name "Donald Satz".
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: schnittkease on July 07, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
Quote from: Gordo on July 07, 2017, 07:00:31 PM
Don/Bulldog/Sammy* was last active at May 29, 2016. A year ago!

I hope he will eventually come back.

* New members can know his excellent reviews about Bach recordings, googling the name "Donald Satz".

As far as I know, Bulldog is active on another forum.*

*Talk Classical
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 07, 2017, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: schnittkease on July 07, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
As far as I know, Bulldog is active on another forum.

It's great to know!

I'm monogamous, so I don't visit other forums.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on July 08, 2017, 05:25:53 AM
Quote from: Gordo on July 07, 2017, 08:03:02 PM
It's great to know!

I'm monogamous, so I don't visit other forums.  ;D

Bulldog is growling and biting and occasionally wagging his tail in another kennel.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on July 08, 2017, 09:29:23 AM
Quote from: schnittkease on July 07, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
As far as I know, Bulldog is active on another forum.

The name of the other forum is secret?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 08, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on July 08, 2017, 09:29:23 AM
The name of the other forum is secret?

This is increasingly mysterious: I'd swear somebody posted the name, but it was deleted.  ???

Anyway, the same day Bulldog went from "missing member" to "renegade."  :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 09, 2017, 03:16:50 AM
Quote from: Gordo on July 08, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
This is increasingly mysterious: I'd swear somebody posted the name, but it was deleted.  ???

Whereof one cannot talk, thereof one must be silent.










Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 09, 2017, 03:30:26 AM
Quote from: schnittkease on July 07, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
As far as I know, Bulldog is active on another forum.*

*Talk Classical

Just a few posts back... Love those conspiracy theories.... 8)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 09, 2017, 03:39:13 AM
Quote from: schnittkease on July 07, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
As far as I know, Bulldog is active on another forum.*

*Talk Classical


Quote from: Que on July 09, 2017, 03:30:26 AM
Just a few posts back... Love those conspiracy theories.... 8)

Q

Schnittkease edited his post, after the post, Gordo refers to, was deleted. Probably it was deleted by its original poster, whom I do not recall the name of.

No conspiracy theories here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 09, 2017, 03:43:05 AM


Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 08, 2017, 08:11:48 PM
(there's like 12/13 forums..... :laugh: )

I doubt they're as engaging as GMG, though  8)

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 09, 2017, 03:54:56 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 09, 2017, 03:39:13 AM

No conspiracy theories here.

Good!  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 09, 2017, 06:25:20 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 09, 2017, 03:16:50 AM
Whereof one cannot talk, thereof one must be silent.

Definitely, I feel I'm at home when somebody quotes Wittgenstein so effortlessly. Birds of a feather flock together.  :)

You weird people!  :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on July 09, 2017, 06:29:50 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 09, 2017, 03:39:13 AM
No conspiracy theories here.

I'm not really sure.  ???  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 09, 2017, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: Gordo on July 09, 2017, 06:25:20 AM
Definitely, I feel I'm at home when somebody quotes Wittgenstein so effortlessly.

Not quite effortlessly, since I changed the word "speak" to "talk" - for classical reasons.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 09, 2017, 11:33:08 AM
Still:  you made it look easy  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on July 17, 2017, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 17, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
I regret to inform you that I will be hitting the road for a little while, there are some bad things that need my attention  :(
Take care and hope they get solved quickly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on July 17, 2017, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 17, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
I regret to inform you that I will be hitting the road for a little while, there are some bad things that need my attention  :(

'This too will pass.'

Take it easy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on July 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
These portentous announcements with no details are tiresome!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on July 18, 2017, 12:39:30 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on July 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
These portentous announcements with no details are tiresome!

Not to mention eye-rollingly narcissistic.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on July 18, 2017, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on July 18, 2017, 12:39:30 AM
Not to mention eye-rollingly narcissistic.

Even more so me thinks. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on July 18, 2017, 01:24:54 AM
Narcissism is the opiate of the masses.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 18, 2017, 02:37:09 AM
That's what made the President what he is today.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 18, 2017, 04:58:18 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on July 18, 2017, 12:39:30 AM
Not to mention eye-rollingly narcissistic.
A good narcissist knows the real trick is to log off quietly, wait a while, and see who posts in "Missing Members" about you  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 18, 2017, 05:01:34 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on July 20, 2017, 06:59:04 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 18, 2017, 04:58:18 AM
A good narcissist knows the real trick is to log off quietly, wait a while, and see who posts in "Missing Members" about you  ;)
I gave you three days! Jibbers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on July 24, 2017, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 24, 2017, 08:40:33 PM
Sorry, sometimes the little said the better  :-[

Less, or more.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: nodogen on August 06, 2017, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 24, 2017, 08:40:33 PM
Sorry, sometimes the little said the better  :-[

tl;dr
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on August 06, 2017, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: nodogen on August 06, 2017, 01:02:50 PM
tl;dr
:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spineur on August 11, 2017, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: NikF on June 15, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
Where's Mirror Image? I've just checked and he hasn't bought any music for the past 48 hours. ??? I do hope he's okay.  >:(
He logs onto GMG regularly.  He changed his avatar recently.  Judging from his listening to list he is having a binge of non-classical music
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on August 12, 2017, 12:01:12 AM
Quote from: Spineur on August 11, 2017, 10:18:47 AM
He logs onto GMG regularly.  He changed his avatar recently.  Judging from his listening to list he is having a binge of non-classical music

Thanks for the update. :)
As long as he's happy and cool. 8) Good stuff.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 12, 2017, 02:53:41 AM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 12, 2017, 12:39:57 AM
Yeah, MI doesn't plan on coming back but last I spoke, he seemed to be doing well  :)

Good to hear (the second part, anyway) 0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 12, 2017, 05:47:14 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 12, 2017, 02:53:41 AM
Good to hear (the second part, anyway) 0:)

Same here  :)

Keep well, MI !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on August 12, 2017, 03:45:28 PM
Why does he not want to come back? Did something bad go down? Anyway, I hope that's not true.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 15, 2017, 07:43:47 AM
I miss MI too. Hopefully he'll be back one day soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on August 15, 2017, 08:01:57 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 15, 2017, 07:43:47 AM
I miss MI too. Hopefully he'll be back one day soon.
Yeah, I hope so too. It's not like he hasn't fell off the grid before.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on August 15, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
Florestan.

Some impostor under his name has disavowed arguing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 16, 2017, 05:24:17 AM
Quote from: Ken B on August 15, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
Florestan.

Some impostor under his name has disavowed arguing.

Eusebius?  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 07:46:27 AM
I don't want to make a bit deal of it, but...I'M BACK! All of the members that dislike me can go back into hibernation now. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on August 31, 2017, 07:54:06 AM
Good to see you again, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 07:59:29 AM
Quote from: North Star on August 31, 2017, 07:54:06 AM
Good to see you again, John!

Thanks a lot, Karlo! Sorry I haven't kept in touch. I deleted my Facebook, but, who knows, I may create a new account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spineur on August 31, 2017, 08:26:58 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 07:46:27 AM
I don't want to make a bit deal of it, but...I'M BACK! All of the members that dislike me can go back into hibernation now. ;D
Coincidence: I was reading your interesting posts on Delius A village Romeo and Juliet today

Welcome back !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Senta on August 31, 2017, 08:30:42 AM
Hi John!! Glad to see you back!! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 31, 2017, 08:34:24 AM
Salut, John! Good to see you back  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 31, 2017, 08:51:35 AM
Excellent news!  Did you dig the eclipse?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 31, 2017, 09:21:44 AM
That's a good one, Karl !   :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost Sonata on August 31, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 07:46:27 AM
I don't want to make a bit deal of it, but...I'M BACK!...

Se non è vero, è molto ben trovato!  Welcome back and hope you will tell us of your travels, travails and tra-la-las...  We missed ya' and you missed us...admit it.  We're stuck with each other, no gettin' round it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on August 31, 2017, 10:27:27 AM
Good to see you back.  Alien reported sightings of you among the prog-rockers, so we knew not to worry too much.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 05:42:38 PM
Thanks for all the welcomes. It does feel good to be back in the saddle. I've missed all of you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 31, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 05:42:38 PM
Thanks for all the welcomes. It does feel good to be back in the saddle. I've missed all of you.

Hey look, John's back!
Btw, I left you all alone in GA, I moved to Tennessee. But we can still be friends  :)
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on August 31, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
Hey look, John's back!
Btw, I left you all alone in GA, I moved to Tennessee. But we can still be friends  :)
Welcome back!

Thanks, Greg. I knew you were going to move (I just wasn't sure when). I hope you're enjoying yourself in Tennessee and have settled in.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 31, 2017, 06:07:49 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
Thanks, Greg. I knew you were going to move (I just wasn't sure when). I hope you're enjoying yourself in Tennessee and have settled in.

Tennessee is great, and we are close to being completely settled. Thanks!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 01, 2017, 06:25:51 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on August 31, 2017, 06:07:49 PM
Tennessee is great, and we are close to being completely settled. Thanks!

Great to hear, Greg. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 02, 2017, 12:05:07 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 07:46:27 AM
I don't want to make a bit deal of it, but...I'M BACK! All of the members that dislike me can go back into hibernation now. ;D

Your Phoenix-like reappearance is great news indeed!
:) :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Autumn Leaves on September 02, 2017, 01:31:37 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 31, 2017, 07:46:27 AM
I don't want to make a bit deal of it, but...I'M BACK! All of the members that dislike me can go back into hibernation now. ;D

Hey MI - I had a feeling you would be back soon.
It's been pretty quiet on the board since you were away (probably with it being Summer for people like yourself in the Northern Hemisphere) - maybe there will be a bit more traffic now.
I'll seeyou around :).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 02, 2017, 05:21:37 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 02, 2017, 12:05:07 AM
Your Phoenix-like reappearance is great news indeed!
:) :)

:) Thanks, Jeffrey!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 02, 2017, 05:24:00 AM
Quote from: Conor71 on September 02, 2017, 01:31:37 AM
Hey MI - I had a feeling you would be back soon.
It's been pretty quiet on the board since you were away (probably with it being Summer for people like yourself in the Northern Hemisphere) - maybe there will be a bit more traffic now.
I'll seeyou around :).

Thanks, Conor. I peaked in from time to time, but didn't feel I could have added anything to any kind of discussion. Anyway, it's good to see you're still hanging around here. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 12, 2017, 02:36:24 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 02, 2017, 05:24:00 AM
Thanks, Conor. I peaked in from time to time, but didn't feel I could have added anything to any kind of discussion. Anyway, it's good to see you're still hanging around here. :)
The return of yourself as Kyle is like Christmas coming early for me as you invariably respond to my posts, however obscure.
  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 13, 2017, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 12, 2017, 02:36:24 AM
The return of yourself as Kyle is like Christmas coming early for me as you invariably respond to my posts, however obscure.
  ;D

Thank you, Jeffrey. I appreciate it. I try to respond to you as best I can. Sometimes I do miss them or simply have nothing to add to what you already stated other than to nod my head in full agreement. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 15, 2017, 01:46:00 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2017, 03:09:51 PM
Thank you, Jeffrey. I appreciate it. I try to respond to you as best I can. Sometimes I do miss them or simply have nothing to add to what you already stated other than to nod my head in full agreement. 8)
Your not expected to respond to all my posts John!  :) :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 15, 2017, 02:04:51 AM
And it is just fine for our Jeffrey to try to be less obscure from time to time ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on September 15, 2017, 02:15:01 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 02, 2017, 12:05:07 AM
Your Phoenix-like reappearance is great news indeed!
:) :)

A turkey with its wings on fire does not a phoenix make!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 15, 2017, 06:21:21 AM
Quote from: springrite on September 15, 2017, 02:15:01 AM
A turkey with its wings on fire does not a phoenix make!

Man, I want some of his fortune cookies!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: millionrainbows on September 16, 2017, 01:38:50 PM
I simply adore BURNING TURKEYS. Sometimes this happens. My brother DAVID FRIED a turkey, and it caught on fire. It fell over and LANDed on the lawn. I was stunned, and said "ER..." Yes, Phoenixes do rise!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: nodogen on September 23, 2017, 01:16:59 AM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 12, 2017, 02:57:41 AM
aaaaaagggeeesss

I think me too. 🙂
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 23, 2017, 10:47:38 PM
Anyone knows what happened to long standing member and my French Baroque buddy Drasko?  ???

You can PM me, if preferred...

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 24, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
Quote from: Que on October 23, 2017, 10:47:38 PM
Anyone knows what happened to long standing member and my French Baroque buddy Drasko?  ???

You can PM me, if preferred...

Q


He apparently deleted his account but I don't remember him ever being involved in anything that could have resulted in such a move. Very strange.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 24, 2017, 01:04:02 PM
Bogey (Bill) has been missing awhile too now. And NikF  :(

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 24, 2017, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 24, 2017, 01:04:02 PM
Bogey (Bill) has been missing awhile too now. And NikF  :(

Sarge

Bogey was a (very) long standing member as well... I hope this is all a coincidence.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 24, 2017, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 24, 2017, 01:04:02 PM
Bogey (Bill) has been missing awhile too now. And NikF  :(

Sarge

I miss Bill and NikF, too. Apparently, NikF has been quite busy with his job, so that's pretty understandable.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on October 24, 2017, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 24, 2017, 06:06:14 PM
I miss Bill and NikF, too. Apparently, NikF has been quite busy with his job, so that's pretty understandable.

NikF is also houseselling and househunting that may include a new city. He probably has no time for anything else.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 24, 2017, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 24, 2017, 06:13:16 PM
NikF is also houseselling and househunting that may include a new city. He probably has no time for anything else.

Ah yes, I forgot about that. Yep, he's quite a busy guy indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: nodogen on November 01, 2017, 02:10:14 AM
Yeah, well, so did you. 🤡
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 01, 2017, 06:02:22 AM
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on November 01, 2017, 12:52:56 AM
So during my exile, Nodogen, Conor and NikF all disappeared? that sucks  :(

As stated before, NikF is busy with selling/buying houses not to mention with his own work as a photographer. Conor is under a new screen name and Nodogen has just made a reply to your post. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on November 01, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 01, 2017, 06:02:22 AMNikF is busy with selling/buying houses not to mention with his own work as a photographer.

Also not to mention his career as a Casanova!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 02, 2017, 05:43:06 AM
Quote from: Rinaldo on November 01, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
Also not to mention his career as a Casanova!

Indeed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on November 07, 2017, 03:28:46 AM
Thanks to all for noting my absence. I'm happy and healthy and hope you all are too.
Yes, work and house hunting are taking up my time, but I'm having fun and making new friends whenever I can along the way.
I'll be back full time soon enough. Until then, enjoy your listening and take it easy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 07, 2017, 04:34:26 AM
Quote from: NikF on November 07, 2017, 03:28:46 AM
Thanks to all for noting my absence. I'm happy and healthy and hope you all are too.
Yes, work and house hunting are taking up my time, but I'm having fun and making new friends whenever I can along the way.
I'll be back full time soon enough. Until then, enjoy your listening and take it easy.

Carry on you, you calm crazy diamond.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2017, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: NikF on November 07, 2017, 03:28:46 AM
Thanks to all for noting my absence. I'm happy and healthy and hope you all are too.
Yes, work and house hunting are taking up my time, but I'm having fun and making new friends whenever I can along the way.
I'll be back full time soon enough. Until then, enjoy your listening and take it easy.

Good to hear, Nik! We miss ya!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on November 07, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: NikF on November 07, 2017, 03:28:46 AM
Thanks to all for noting my absence. I'm happy and healthy and hope you all are too.
Yes, work and house hunting are taking up my time, but I'm having fun and making new friends whenever I can along the way.
I'll be back full time soon enough. Until then, enjoy your listening and take it easy.

Your life doesn't seem plausible. I recall reading some time ago of a novel written entirely in the form of text messages. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't some sort of avant-garde novel written entirely in the form of posts to an obscure classical music discussion board.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on November 08, 2017, 05:28:01 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on November 07, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
Your life doesn't seem plausible. I recall reading some time ago of a novel written entirely in the form of text messages. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't some sort of avant-garde novel written entirely in the form of posts to an obscure classical music discussion board.

I choose to take that as a compliment, because everything I've ever done in my life (which incidentally, I tend to understate) has been achieved by me with no help from anyone.

Every success or failure in my career and business and any financial gains I made, have all been down to me. And in a number of relationships with warm, kind hearted (and often beautiful) women that have ended due to me being distant or unreasonable, unappreciative or simply a shit - I also take full responsibility for. No excuses. But this needs to be viewed in some context or at least have a little background.

For almost the whole year between the ages of 15 and 16 I was homeless. I had next to nothing, although that was a paradise compared to the home life I was brought up in as a child; I wouldn't wish my earliest years upon anyone. So the fact you find my life implausible only further confirms that such a start would have from the outset crushed someone like yourself, while I was strong enough to survive, to move forward and prosper. And that's why I'm taking your words as a compliment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on November 08, 2017, 07:11:54 AM
Quote from: NikF on November 08, 2017, 05:28:01 AM
I choose to take that as a compliment, because everything I've ever done in my life (which incidentally, I tend to understate) has been achieved by me with no help from anyone.

Every success or failure in my career and business and any financial gains I made, have all been down to me. And in a number of relationships with warm, kind hearted (and often beautiful) women that have ended due to me being distant or unreasonable, unappreciative or simply a shit - I also take full responsibility for. No excuses. But this needs to be viewed in some context or at least have a little background.

For almost the whole year between the ages of 15 and 16 I was homeless. I had next to nothing, although that was a paradise compared to the home life I was brought up in as a child; I wouldn't wish my earliest years upon anyone. So the fact you find my life implausible only further confirms that such a start would have from the outset crushed someone like yourself, while I was strong enough to survive, to move forward and prosper. And that's why I'm taking your words as a compliment.

Yes, it was meant as a complement. I'd advise you to avoid assumptions of what sufferings others have endured or continue to endure, and what would or would not crush them.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 08, 2017, 07:17:39 AM
Absolutely a compliment!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on November 08, 2017, 07:26:19 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on November 08, 2017, 07:11:54 AM
Yes, it was meant as a complement. I'd advise you to avoid assumptions of what sufferings others have endured or continue to endure, and what would or would not crush them.

I'll take your advice - that is, I'll choose my own words more carefully.  And I'll suggest you more carefully choose your own when it comes to imparting what you mean by "I'm starting to wonder if this isn't some sort of avant-garde novel". But let's not go back and forth over this. It's BS.
Feel free to have any last word(s), if you wish.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Parsifal on November 08, 2017, 08:23:00 AM
Quote from: NikF on November 08, 2017, 07:26:19 AM
I'll take your advice - that is, I'll choose my own words more carefully.  And I'll suggest you more carefully choose your own when it comes to imparting what you mean by "I'm starting to wonder if this isn't some sort of avant-garde novel". But let's not go back and forth over this. It's BS.
Feel free to have any last word(s), if you wish.

Only that no offense was intended. I was only observing that you seem to have more daily adventures than could reasonably fit into the life of a person who has to earn a living.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on November 08, 2017, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on November 08, 2017, 08:23:00 AM
Only that no offense was intended. I was only observing that you seem to have more daily adventures than could reasonably fit into the life of a person who has to earn a living.

Okay, let me clear that one up. I'm retired. And because I've relatively simple tastes and needs it means that unless I do something crazy like get married and divorced every few years I won't need to work again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on November 08, 2017, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: NikF on November 08, 2017, 09:01:25 AM
Okay, let me clear that one up. I'm retired. And because I've relatively simple tastes and needs it means that unless I do something crazy like get married and divorced every few years I won't need to work again.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/80/f4/8YSNRFwJ_o.jpg)

Pilate's Pet, eh?

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on November 08, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
Quote from: Marc on November 08, 2017, 09:21:13 AM
(https://images2.imgbox.com/80/f4/8YSNRFwJ_o.jpg)

Pilate's Pet, eh?

:P

I'll never complain about being in this position, although it has taken time to get used to. In the mornings I've always got up at between 06:30 and 07:00 and that's still the case. But it's a nice problem to have.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on November 29, 2017, 12:34:21 PM
Anyone know what happened to Edward - my fellow CI veteran and modern music fan? He hasn't posted anything this entire year.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 29, 2017, 06:40:03 PM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on November 29, 2017, 12:34:21 PM
Anyone know what happened to Edward - my fellow CI veteran and modern music fan? He hasn't posted anything this entire year.

It has been quite sometime since I've seen Edward. I do hope he's doing okay and just happens to be busy with life stuff (but nothing bad).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on November 29, 2017, 06:49:24 PM
Yeah, I miss edward too. I liked his musical tastes and his perceptive comments.

And what happened to Octave?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: You did it on November 29, 2017, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on November 29, 2017, 12:34:21 PM
Anyone know what happened to Edward - my fellow CI veteran and modern music fan? He hasn't posted anything this entire year.

I never "met" him (to my knowledge) but I do see his old posts around when posts are bumped and kinda wish he'd return too  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 30, 2017, 03:29:19 AM
I don't think I have heard directly from Edward for nigh unto a year;  high time I reached out to him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on November 30, 2017, 03:41:31 AM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on November 29, 2017, 06:49:24 PM
And what happened to Octave?
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 30, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on April 30, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
And where is Octave...?      :(
Haven't seen him here for a long time!
As I understand it, a combination of other interests and the need to keep to his CD buying budget made it prudent to stay away from the temptations on offer here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on December 05, 2017, 02:24:37 AM
I miss Scarpia.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on December 05, 2017, 02:54:15 AM
Quote from: Marc on December 05, 2017, 02:24:37 AM
I miss Scarpia.

So do i - and I also miss Jochanaan.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 04:25:36 AM
Quote from: Marc on December 05, 2017, 02:24:37 AM
I miss Scarpia.

I do hope he'll reconsider his decision (frankly, I cannot understand why people abruptly delete their accounts because of a controversy on an internet board). I was mostly in disagreement with him on extra-musical topics but I valued his input on music and recordings.



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on December 05, 2017, 04:43:25 AM
Quote from: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 04:25:36 AM
I do hope he'll reconsider his decision (frankly, I cannot understand why people abruptly delete their accounts because of a controversy on an internet board). I was mostly in disagreement with him on extra-musical topics but I valued his input on music and recordings.
When did this happen and on what thread if I may ask? A deplorable loss for the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 05, 2017, 04:44:20 AM
John of Scotland again is M.I.A.

Quote from: (: premont :) on December 05, 2017, 02:54:15 AM
...and I also miss Jochanaan.

Amen!  0:)  Was he one of our Finnish members?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 05, 2017, 04:50:52 AM
Quote from: The new erato on December 05, 2017, 04:43:25 AM
When did this happen and on what thread if I may ask?

It happened last night (my time), in the James Levine thread yet the debate was over Jansons's comments. I was one of the (few) people who disagreed with him, but I wouldn't have imagined, let alone wish, he'd delete his account.



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 05, 2017, 04:51:06 AM
Quote from: Cato on December 05, 2017, 04:44:20 AM
Amen!  0:)  Was he one of our Finnish members?

Nay, a Coloradan.  He's fairly active on Facebook; which is not to say that we do not miss him here  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on December 05, 2017, 04:51:39 AM
Quote from: The new erato on December 05, 2017, 04:43:25 AM
When did this happen and on what thread if I may ask? A deplorable loss for the forum.
The #metoo (aka James Levine (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,16111.160.html)) thread. And yes, no grounds for leaving, really.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on December 12, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
I'm surprised to see my departure lamented. In any case, I did not decide to leave in a fit of pique over James Levine or female conductors. Closer to the truth to say it was disappointment in myself for allowing the board to consume so much of my time and energy, when I have many pressing problems in my life that I lack time to resolve. Anyway, I have allowed myself to return because I found myself missing a place to post "I listened to recording x and it was very fine/was awful." I will endeavour to limit myself to such posts in the future.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 13, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
Personally, I never understood why people leave over bickering and such. It's not worth the headache, folks. I have found that it's much easier to ignore the offender(s), then confront them head-on, which doesn't always mean that there's going to be a resolution. In any event, I'm glad to see Scarpia back at the helm.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 13, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on December 12, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
I'm surprised to see my departure lamented. In any case, I did not decide to leave in a fit of pique over James Levine or female conductors. Closer to the truth to say it was disappointment in myself for allowing the board to consume so much of my time and energy, when I have many pressing problems in my life that I lack time to resolve. Anyway, I have allowed myself to return because I found myself missing a place to post "I listened to recording x and it was very fine/was awful." I will endeavour to limit myself to such posts in the future.

Best Wishes on solving those problems! 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 14, 2017, 03:38:19 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on December 12, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
I'm surprised to see my departure lamented. In any case, I did not decide to leave in a fit of pique over James Levine or female conductors. Closer to the truth to say it was disappointment in myself for allowing the board to consume so much of my time and energy, when I have many pressing problems in my life that I lack time to resolve. Anyway, I have allowed myself to return because I found myself missing a place to post "I listened to recording x and it was very fine/was awful." I will endeavour to limit myself to such posts in the future.

Welcome back!  Good solving to you!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on December 14, 2017, 07:05:08 AM
Quote from: Cato on December 13, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
Best Wishes on solving those problems!

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 14, 2017, 03:38:19 AM
Welcome back!  Good solving to you!  :)

Quote from: San Antonio on December 14, 2017, 04:31:00 AM
Along with the others I too am happy to see you return and hope your current difficulties are resolved.  I can also relate to your sentiment about posting only in the music listening threads.  In any event, I wish you a most hearty welcome back!

:)

I made it sound as though I just can't put off solving that Rubik's cube any longer.  :)  What I really mean is my family needs my full attention.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on December 14, 2017, 07:18:51 AM
That's hugely commendable of you. Your priorities are right where they should be.

Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 14, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on December 14, 2017, 07:05:08 AMWhat I really mean is my family needs my full attention.

This is certainly the most important in any of our lives (if we're fortunate enough to have family members to share our lives with). Best of luck to you and I do wish you and your family well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 15, 2017, 02:35:14 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on December 12, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
I'm surprised to see my departure lamented. In any case, I did not decide to leave in a fit of pique over James Levine or female conductors. Closer to the truth to say it was disappointment in myself for allowing the board to consume so much of my time and energy, when I have many pressing problems in my life that I lack time to resolve. Anyway, I have allowed myself to return because I found myself missing a place to post "I listened to recording x and it was very fine/was awful." I will endeavour to limit myself to such posts in the future.

Welcome back! I'm really glad you returned! Best wishes to you and your family!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on December 15, 2017, 06:57:41 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on December 12, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
I'm surprised to see my departure lamented. In any case, I did not decide to leave in a fit of pique over James Levine or female conductors. Closer to the truth to say it was disappointment in myself for allowing the board to consume so much of my time and energy, when I have many pressing problems in my life that I lack time to resolve. Anyway, I have allowed myself to return because I found myself missing a place to post "I listened to recording x and it was very fine/was awful." I will endeavour to limit myself to such posts in the future.

And ur a Baron again?

Welcome back from Marquis Marc. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 15, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
King Karl?

Naaaaaaah.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 15, 2017, 07:00:34 AM
Court Jester John?

Yeah, probably.... ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on December 15, 2017, 07:11:13 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 15, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
King Karl?

Naaaaaaah.....

KAISER Karl.

Membews of GMG, Kaisew Kawl is youw fwiend.

Hail, Thaethar!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 15, 2017, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: Marc on December 15, 2017, 07:11:13 AM
KAISER Karl.

Membews of GMG, Kaisew Kawl is youw fwiend.

Hail, Thaethar!

Hah!

Theveral theditious thcribeth of Thætharea . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on December 15, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on December 12, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
I'm surprised to see my departure lamented. In any case, I did not decide to leave in a fit of pique over James Levine or female conductors. Closer to the truth to say it was disappointment in myself for allowing the board to consume so much of my time and energy, when I have many pressing problems in my life that I lack time to resolve. Anyway, I have allowed myself to return because I found myself missing a place to post "I listened to recording x and it was very fine/was awful." I will endeavour to limit myself to such posts in the future.

Welcome back and good luck with your endeavor. Also glad to see that you got upgraded to Baron! Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 16, 2017, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on December 12, 2017, 11:26:33 PM
I'm surprised to see my departure lamented. In any case, I did not decide to leave in a fit of pique over James Levine or female conductors. Closer to the truth to say it was disappointment in myself for allowing the board to consume so much of my time and energy, when I have many pressing problems in my life that I lack time to resolve. Anyway, I have allowed myself to return because I found myself missing a place to post "I listened to recording x and it was very fine/was awful." I will endeavour to limit myself to such posts in the future.
Well, I'm very pleased to see you back as well. I hope that things work out well for you and don't let me lead you astray in the Sherlock Holmes type mystery investigation: 'The Case of the missing sections of Vaughan Williams's 'A London Symphony'.

All best wishes to you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on February 12, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Anyone heard from Sarge lately? Just checked--he last checked in here on Jan 26.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2018, 08:31:46 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on February 12, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Anyone heard from Sarge lately? Just checked--he last checked in here on Jan 26.

Quite strange of Sarge. I hope he's doing good. I know February is his birthday month (or is late January?), so maybe he's still hungover from the birthday celebration? ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on February 12, 2018, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 12, 2018, 08:31:46 PM
Quite strange of Sarge. I hope he's doing good. I know February is his birthday month (or is late January?), so maybe he's still hungover from the birthday celebration? ;)

Uh-oh! I do hope it's as benign as that or just him having forgotten his password!  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on February 13, 2018, 08:39:11 AM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on February 12, 2018, 10:22:58 PM
Uh-oh! I do hope it's as benign as that or just him having forgotten his password!  ???

...a Wagner marathon, in which he vowed to listen to all of his Ring cycles back to back?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on February 13, 2018, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on February 13, 2018, 08:39:11 AM
...a Wagner marathon, in which he vowed to listen to all of his Ring cycles back to back?

It's worse than we thought, then! See him in 2022!  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on February 13, 2018, 08:22:39 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.
??? :(
If and when you speak to him:
I do miss his posts on Xenakis, which provoked me out of my comfort zone.
And perhaps not "classical" music, but some sort of music!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 13, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.

Eek.

Anyone seen Ghost Sonata in a while?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on February 13, 2018, 08:22:39 PM
??? :(
If and when you speak to him:
I do miss his posts on Xenakis, which provoked me out of my comfort zone.
And perhaps not "classical" music, but some sort of music!

I agree about the comfort zone thing as I tried some of the music he listened to that I suppose can be described as 'avant-garde' and didn't enjoy it, but it still gave me an education. Sometimes when you are dragged out of your comfort zone, you'll find new musical avenues for yourself and I suppose, in some small way, Alien opened my mind to new sounds (even if I didn't particular enjoy those sounds).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 13, 2018, 08:55:38 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:40:17 PM
I agree about the comfort zone thing as I tried some of the music he listened to that I suppose can be described as 'avant-garde' and didn't enjoy it, but it still gave me an education. Sometimes when you are dragged out of your comfort zone, you'll find new musical avenues for yourself and I suppose, in some small way, Alien opened my mind to new sounds (even if I didn't particular enjoy those sounds).

Speaking of outside one's comfort zone, there's this guy Bach ...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: Ken B on February 13, 2018, 08:55:38 PM
Speaking of outside one's comfort zone, there's this guy Bach ...

I like some Bach, but I just can't get excited about Baroque Era music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 13, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 09:03:12 PM
I like some Bach, but I just can't get excited about Baroque Era music.

Psssst Palestrina

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: Ken B on February 13, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
Psssst Palestrina

:laugh:

Psssst...Hildegard von Bingen. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 13, 2018, 09:24:41 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 09:11:23 PM
Psssst...Hildegard von Bingen. ;)
I have and listen to a box of HvB.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on February 14, 2018, 03:39:12 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PMIt's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.

From what I'd gathered, he's a young and super-passionate guy, easily swayed in this or that direction. I hope things work out for him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2018, 03:43:58 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 09:03:12 PM
I like some Bach, but I just can't get excited about Baroque Era music.

http://www.youtube.com/v/u0qkP1kvEdQ
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2018, 04:08:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/wzP_xlVgTpQ
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2018, 05:03:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/4PVSjVftEW8
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on February 14, 2018, 06:03:47 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 14, 2018, 03:43:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/u0qkP1kvEdQ
A superb Version of some of the greatest music I know (I have that and 2 other Versions on DVD, 4 CD Versions and have seen it twice live). I saw a very fine live version of l'Orfeo in Bergen with a friend that is into music, but not this kind of music. He was so moved he could hardly speak after the performance.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2018, 06:06:08 AM
Wonderful!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on February 14, 2018, 08:10:21 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on February 12, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Anyone heard from Sarge lately? Just checked--he last checked in here on Jan 26.

I was wondering that too. But any man capable of using a 500mm mirror lens has to be a tough cookie, so I'm hoping all is well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mahlerian on February 14, 2018, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.

I'm sorry to hear that.  I know he was having a tough time at school keeping up his motivation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on February 12, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Anyone heard from Sarge lately? Just checked--he last checked in here on Jan 26.

I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on February 15, 2018, 11:33:09 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again

Sarge

Aerosmith or Gene Autry?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on February 15, 2018, 11:37:19 AM
Or maybe that's the English translation of the mysterious "Hojotoho! hojotoho! heiaha! heiaha!"

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on February 15, 2018, 11:37:19 AM
Or maybe that's the English translation of the mysterious "Hojotoho! hojotoho! heiaha! heiaha!"

:)

;D :D ;D  ...but I was thinking Aerosmith...high testosterone levels, don't you know   ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kishnevi on February 15, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again

Sarge
:) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 15, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.

Another victim of our modern educational system!  ???  He might have done better as an autodidact, using Fux, Berlioz, Rimsky-Korsakov, and Piston for his professors.

And a host of scores from the masters!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 15, 2018, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: Cato on February 15, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
Another victim of our modern educational system!  ???  He might have done better as an autodidact, using Fux, Berlioz, Rimsky-Korsakov, and Piston for his professors.

And a host of scores from the masters!  8)

Well, I do think Alien had reached a stage of burnout and simply couldn't recover from it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 15, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
Also, it's great to see the Sarge back! 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: anothername on February 15, 2018, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 15, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
Also, it's great to see the Sarge back! 8)

I am sure he either is amongst us with yet another rick name or lurking each day, the guy needs serious psychiatrist help .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on February 16, 2018, 01:14:28 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again

Sarge

:-*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 16, 2018, 01:19:24 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again

Sarge

Here [he] go[es] again on [his] own
Goin' down the only road [he's] ever known


Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 16, 2018, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again

Sarge

And I rejoice.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on February 16, 2018, 05:41:28 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again

Sarge

Good stuff.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on February 16, 2018, 07:38:24 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.

Thanks for the post. Sounds like a tumultuous time. I hope he's okay, whether or not he ever regains interest in classical music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on February 16, 2018, 07:40:25 AM
Quote from: Pat B on February 16, 2018, 07:38:24 AM
Thanks for the post. Sounds like a tumultuous time. I hope he's okay, whether or not he ever regains interest in classical music.

Disruption can be good if it puts you on the right path. Of course I don't know if that is the case here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on February 17, 2018, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: anothername on February 15, 2018, 08:45:31 PM
I am sure he either is amongst us with yet another rick name or lurking each day, the guy needs serious psychiatrist help .

Russian Troll Farm?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 17, 2018, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on February 17, 2018, 03:48:50 PM
Russian Troll Farm?

I assume anothername replied to the wrong post. There was discussion about " fab alien" just before MI commented about me. Alien did frequently change his nick.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on February 17, 2018, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 17, 2018, 04:40:04 PM
I assume anothername replied to the wrong post. There was discussion about " fab alien" just before MI commented about me. Alien did frequently change his nick.

Sarge
He did. But then, on average, you and John changed avatars twice daily.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 18, 2018, 04:00:41 AM
Quote from: Ken B on February 17, 2018, 08:51:26 PM
He did. But then, on average, you and John changed avatars twice daily.

Yes, on average we do  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 18, 2018, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.

Very sorry to hear that.

The 'Prodigal Son' type return of Sarge is, however, cause for celebration.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 18, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 18, 2018, 08:57:10 AM
Very sorry to hear that.

The 'Prodigal Son' type return of Sarge is, however, cause for celebration.

A BIG AMEN for that!  0:)

I have twice tried to catalyze a response from Luke Ottevanger via his wife on FaceBook, but so far nothing!

Possibly I am not the person to attempt this*, possibly it will not matter because of sundry other reasons.

*i.e. Mrs. Cato says I intimidate people.   ;) 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 26, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I thought I'd share a little update on Thatfabulousalien: it appears he's dropped out of university, gave up on his goal to become a composer, and has even left the city he was living in. Also, he has no interest in classical music any longer, which I hope is just a passing thing. It doesn't look like he'll be on GMG anytime soon. :-\ It's so strange how a 'bad experience', which in this case for Alien was studying music, can somehow taint your view of a genre that was obviously a passion and played an important part of your life.

I was just about to post here to see what had happened to him, and I saw this. That's life I guess! I hope he makes it to Europe some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 28, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
What's happened to cilgwyn? I enjoyed his contributions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 28, 2018, 08:41:36 PM
I still lament the disappearance of Chamber Ray and Peter (Moonfish). :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on February 28, 2018, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 28, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
What's happened to cilgwyn? I enjoyed his contributions.
Hope to see him back here soon!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 01, 2018, 11:05:39 AM
Quote from: Christo on February 28, 2018, 11:33:25 PM
Hope to see him back here soon!
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on March 01, 2018, 11:39:45 AM
The One seems to have burned too bright and vanished.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on March 07, 2018, 07:44:24 PM
Bulldog is back! We have to play his game, or he might pack up and leave again!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 23, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
Quote from: Christo on February 28, 2018, 11:33:25 PM
Hope to see him back here soon!
He's back again! (PC meltdown was the cause of his absence)

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on May 02, 2018, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on March 01, 2018, 11:39:45 AM
The One seems to have burned too bright and vanished.


Vanity vanity it's all vanity. :-X
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
Quote from: Traverso on May 02, 2018, 09:08:27 AM
Vanity vanity it's all vanity. :-X

He's not nearly as obnoxious (or vain) as many seem to believe. There are plenty of people who have come and gone, many, sadly, not gone, who I have found less worth in their ramblings. I find it useful to withhold my evaluations until they can be less superficial. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on May 02, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on March 07, 2018, 07:44:24 PM
Bulldog is back! We have to play his game, or he might pack up and leave again!

The future is always uncertain.  :blank:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on May 02, 2018, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
He's not nearly as obnoxious (or vain) as many seem to believe. There are plenty of people who have come and gone, many, sadly, not gone, who I have found less worth in their ramblings. I find it useful to withhold my evaluations until they can be less superficial. :)

8)

Can't speak for Traverso, but I didn't intend any such implication on content, just the observation that activity was at once very high, then suddenly vanishing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2018, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on May 02, 2018, 12:30:43 PM
Can't speak for Traverso, but I didn't intend any such implication on content, just the observation that activity was at once very high, then suddenly vanishing.

Yup, it's true. Can't say, perhaps he has the same sort of issues I just went through. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on May 02, 2018, 03:50:20 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2018, 03:38:52 PM
Yup, it's true. Can't say, perhaps he has the same sort of issues I just went through. :-\

8)

I can guess what the cryptic statement refers to...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 02, 2018, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: Sammy on May 02, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
The future is always uncertain.  :blank:

That's for certain.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 03, 2018, 01:09:55 AM
Quote from: Sammy on May 02, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
The future is always uncertain.  :blank:

Nowadays, even more so  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 03, 2018, 01:59:55 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 03, 2018, 01:09:55 AM
Nowadays, even more so  8)

And in the future maybe still even more so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on May 03, 2018, 03:25:50 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
He's not nearly as obnoxious (or vain) as many seem to believe. There are plenty of people who have come and gone, many, sadly, not gone, who I have found less worth in their ramblings. I find it useful to withhold my evaluations until they can be less superficial. :)

8)

I was just joking,not the intention to do any harm,otherwise  my apologies.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 03, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
Quote from: Traverso on May 03, 2018, 03:25:50 AM
I was just joking,not the intention to do any harm,otherwise  my apologies.

I figured that, just trying to avoid unnecessary feelings-hurt occasions, since I have seen some others piling on. No problemo!  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on May 03, 2018, 06:26:45 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on March 01, 2018, 11:39:45 AM
The One seems to have burned too bright and vanished.

Quote from: Traverso on May 02, 2018, 09:08:27 AM
Vanity vanity it's all vanity. :-X
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 02, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
He's not nearly as obnoxious (or vain) as many seem to believe. There are plenty of people who have come and gone, many, sadly, not gone, who I have found less worth in their ramblings. I find it useful to withhold my evaluations until they can be less superficial. :)

8)
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on May 02, 2018, 12:30:43 PM
Can't speak for Traverso, but I didn't intend any such implication on content, just the observation that activity was at once very high, then suddenly vanishing.
Quote from: Traverso on May 03, 2018, 03:25:50 AM
I was just joking,not the intention to do any harm,otherwise  my apologies.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 03, 2018, 04:15:27 AM
I figured that, just trying to avoid unnecessary feelings-hurt occasions, since I have seen some others piling on. No problemo!  :)

8)

Anyway, he ultimately left the stage. A pity imo.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 03, 2018, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: GioCar on May 03, 2018, 06:26:45 AM
Anyway, he ultimately left the stage. A pity imo.

Let's hope he is the only one.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on May 03, 2018, 05:19:02 PM
I haven't read anything by Spineur lately  :(.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 04, 2018, 02:35:49 AM
Quote from: André on May 03, 2018, 05:19:02 PM
I haven't read anything by Spineur lately  :(.

IIrc, he has big problems accessing the site.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on May 04, 2018, 04:51:46 AM
pjme seems to have deleted his account after having trouble accessing the site.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on May 04, 2018, 04:55:22 AM
Quote from: North Star on May 04, 2018, 04:51:46 AM
pjme seems to have deleted his account after having trouble accessing the site.

That is a pity, I appreciated his contributions.
I wish the technical problems could be solved for those that have problems with reaching this site.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on May 07, 2018, 08:29:35 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 28, 2018, 08:41:36 PM
I still lament the disappearance of Chamber Ray and Peter (Moonfish). :-\

I will try to improve.....

(http://www.android2you.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/crying-cat-gif.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 07, 2018, 09:00:27 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on May 07, 2018, 08:29:35 AM
I will try to improve.....

(http://www.android2you.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/crying-cat-gif.gif)

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spineur on May 07, 2018, 10:53:58 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 04, 2018, 02:35:49 AM
IIrc, he has big problems accessing the site.
It is true that GMG is hard to get to at times.  But I am also swamped with work and I had to take back the time I devoted to GMG in the past.  There are indeed quite a few GMG members, I am missing too.  Jeffrey, King Ubu, pjme (an fine connoisseur of the french repertoire) but also Mr. Croche, one of the few members with really knowledge on music theory.  Not being around doesnt help reigning my CD buying budget which explodes months after month.  Since I have you here Florestan, do you know Elena Mosuc ?  She is a roumanian soprano, who sings often at the Zurich opera house, but I have never heard her live.  I got her Donizetti & Verdi Heroines CDs.  She has an impressive vocal technique and she seems to have no limit in the upper register.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 07, 2018, 12:28:53 PM
It's always a shame to lose members based on something that, in time, can be fixed. There seems to be a general consensus here that the problems only started occurring since the switch to the new server.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 07, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 07, 2018, 12:28:53 PM
It's always a shame to lose members based on something that, in time, can be fixed. There seems to be a general consensus here that the problems only started occurring since the switch to the new server.

Yes, but that is the way that people remember things: which was the most recent inconvenience. For two months before the changeover, there were frequent interruptions of service due to the old server being seriously overloaded and so access to the database would be denied. That caused me far more problems than this has so far. Not that this is true for everyone, but certainly for me. It was the reason for the server upgrade to begin with, IIRC. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 07, 2018, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 07, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
Yes, but that is the way that people remember things: which was the most recent inconvenience. For two months before the changeover, there were frequent interruptions of service due to the old server being seriously overloaded and so access to the database would be denied. That caused me far more problems than this has so far. Not that this is true for everyone, but certainly for me. It was the reason for the server upgrade to begin with, IIRC. :)

8)

Well sure, I knew why Rob needed to change servers. GMG was simply overloaded and had been overhauled. I guess I just don't remember this inordinate amount of problems before.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on May 07, 2018, 01:31:48 PM
A key difference that was before the problems were in the server itself and all users experienced them at the same time. Now, the site works flawlessly for most people but a small fraction have had severe difficulties connecting, (probably related to the performance of their internet service provider) which prevent them from accessing the site at all while the rest of us have smooth sailing. That can be particularly frustrating.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 07, 2018, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 07, 2018, 01:25:59 PM
Well sure, I knew why Rob needed to change servers. GMG was simply overloaded and had been overhauled. I guess I just don't remember this inordinate amount of problems before.

Maybe everyone didn't have the same amount of problems before so it didn't make such an impression on you if you were one of the lucky ones. I had to struggle with almost every post for 4 or 5 weeks, which got very frustrating. 
:-\

Quote from: Baron Scarpia on May 07, 2018, 01:31:48 PM
A key difference that was before the problems were in the server itself and all users experienced them at the same time. Now, the site works flawlessly for most people but a small fraction have had severe difficulties connecting, (probably related to the performance of their internet service provider) which prevent them from accessing the site at all while the rest of us have smooth sailing. That can be particularly frustrating.

Absolutely, I'm very sure it does. Frankly, I think letting the temporary frustration overwhelm you into canceling your account is a bit of an overreaction. I hate that this happened/is happening. Even more, that signing up for a new account is not working correctly. I do look at it as temporary though. After 15 years here, there isn't a lot of crap I haven't gone through on some scale or another at least a few times. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 10, 2018, 02:31:59 AM
Quote from: North Star on May 04, 2018, 04:51:46 AM
pjme seems to have deleted his account after having trouble accessing the site.

He did that in the hope that creating a new account will solve the problems, but unfortunately now he can't even create a new account. I have already reported his problem to Rob.

Quote from: Spineur on May 07, 2018, 10:53:58 AM
Since I have you here Florestan, do you know Elena Mosuc ?  She is a roumanian soprano, who sings often at the Zurich opera house, but I have never heard her live.  I got her Donizetti & Verdi Heroines CDs.  She has an impressive vocal technique and she seems to have no limit in the upper register.

I know her by name only, I don't think I've ever heard her singing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on June 13, 2018, 08:30:12 AM
Spineur is the latest account deletion, and since new registrations are disabled there will be no return. It's a slow march to oblivion for the site.

I'm starting to think about what the alternatives are.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on June 13, 2018, 08:59:45 AM
I know that we are not to discuss the existence of other sites here. But since new members are not being accepted, I think that rule is moot. What is the best alternative to GMG? Talk Classical is the only other high traffic site I know of.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 13, 2018, 09:52:57 AM
I guess that Rob has things to deal with that keep him off the site, but I don't know. Maybe he's just not aware of what's going on.

Has anyone contacted him to let him know about the problems on the site?  You can find contact information easily enough through Whois - I use the interface Godaddy.

QuoteRegistrant Name: Rob Lang
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: PO Box 55
Registrant City: Jamison Centre
Registrant State/Province: Australian Capital Territory
Registrant Postal Code: 2614
Registrant Country: AU
Registrant Phone: 62062212
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: robert@gasbag.net
Registry Admin ID: Not Available From Registry
Admin Name: Rob Lang
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: PO Box 55
Admin City: Jamison Centre
Admin State/Province: Australian Capital Territory
Admin Postal Code: 2614
Admin Country: AU
Admin Phone: 62062212
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: robert@gasbag.net
Registry Tech ID: Not Available From Registry
Tech Name: Rob Lang
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: PO Box 55
Tech City: Jamison Centre
Tech State/Province: Australian Capital Territory
Tech Postal Code: 2614
Tech Country: AU
Tech Phone: 62062212
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on June 13, 2018, 10:00:32 AM
My understanding is that the forum administrators have themselves been unable to get a response from Rob.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 13, 2018, 10:02:50 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on June 13, 2018, 10:00:32 AM
My understanding is that the forum administrators have themselves been unable to get a response from Rob.

Sure but if they're trying to get hold of him through the PM system of the website, that may be unreliable. If they've been using his postal address or phone number or a private email address and there is still no reply, that's quite another matter.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on June 13, 2018, 10:04:08 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on June 13, 2018, 08:59:45 AM
I know that we are not to discuss the existence of other sites here. But since new members are not being accepted, I think that rule is moot. What is the best alternative to GMG? Talk Classical is the only other high traffic site I know of.

Same here.  Personally, I wouldn't bother with a low traffic site.  On a more positive note, I have faith that the "new members" situation will be resolved within 6 months.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 13, 2018, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 13, 2018, 10:02:50 AM
Sure but if they're trying to get hold of him through the PM system of the website, that may be unreliable. If they've been using his postal address or phone number or a private email address and there is still no reply, that's quite another matter.

I use his previously reliable (for several years) gmail address. I have informed him of everything of importance. I trust he will handle it within his capabilities. Meanwhile, I wait, as do you all. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Baron Scarpia on June 13, 2018, 10:28:42 AM
I will be frequenting another site for classical music discussions. Cheers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 13, 2018, 10:54:09 AM
Well, shoot me leak.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 13, 2018, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 13, 2018, 10:21:41 AM
I use his previously reliable (for several years) gmail address. I have informed him of everything of importance. I trust he will handle it within his capabilities. Meanwhile, I wait, as do you all. :-\

8)

I wish Rob well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 13, 2018, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 13, 2018, 11:01:12 AM
I wish Rob well.

Me too. Hope he'll manage to fix the bugs.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 13, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
Wtf? Scarpia left GMG? Truly this site is slowly dying...

Please, Arthur, come back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on June 13, 2018, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 13, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
Wtf? Scarpia left GMG? Truly this site is slowly dying...

Please, Arthur, come back!

He'd been a bit contrarian, as of late. Perhaps that was another 'statement' along those lines? Does seem a bit rude, though.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on June 13, 2018, 12:22:04 PM
Quote from: San Antone on June 13, 2018, 11:16:11 AM
I don't understand a member deleting his account - even if he wishes to go somewhere else.

I read, in past days, that the man who ordered the construction of the nearly infinite Wall of China was that First Emperor, Shih Huang Ti, who likewise ordered the burning of all the books before him. That the two gigantic operations—the five or six hundred leagues of stone to oppose the barbarians, the rigorous abolition of history, that is of the past—issued from one person and were in a certain sense his attributes, inexplicably satisfied me and, at the same time, disturbed me. The object of this note is to investigate the reasons for that emotion.

;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 13, 2018, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 13, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
Wtf? Scarpia left GMG? Truly this site is slowly dying...

Please, Arthur, come back!

You could always follow him to Talk classical I suppose, that way you will be with Arthur in definitive. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on June 13, 2018, 02:11:47 PM
Just remember to say "Schoenberg is the antichrist" in every second post and you'll fit right in.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mahlerian on June 13, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on June 13, 2018, 02:11:47 PM
Just remember to say "Schoenberg is the antichrist" in every second post and you'll fit right in.

So long as you don't question that Wagner is god incarnate...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 13, 2018, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: San Antone on June 13, 2018, 11:16:11 AM
I don't understand a member deleting his account - even if he wishes to go somewhere else.

Same with me.
But it's possible, and therefore his/her own choice.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 13, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Pjotr on June 13, 2018, 02:01:02 PM
You could always follow him to Talk classical I suppose, that way you will be with Arthur in definitive. :)

What's your problem, Harry? Or have you just had a bad day?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 14, 2018, 12:47:53 AM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on June 13, 2018, 12:08:49 PM
He'd been a bit contrarian, as of late. Perhaps that was another 'statement' along those lines? Does seem a bit rude, though.

I crossed swords with him more than once but he is a knowledgeable fellow. Moreover, in the current circumstances the loss of an active member is irreplaceable and I can only lament it.

Quote from: Mahlerian on June 13, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
So long as you don't question that Wagner is god incarnate...

Doesn't seem like my kind of place.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on June 14, 2018, 03:13:23 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 13, 2018, 10:21:41 AM
I use his previously reliable (for several years) gmail address. I have informed him of everything of importance. I trust he will handle it within his capabilities. Meanwhile, I wait, as do you all. :-\

8)
Has he responded within the past six weeks (after May 2nd)?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 14, 2018, 04:02:57 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 13, 2018, 10:21:41 AM
I use his previously reliable (for several years) gmail address. I have informed him of everything of importance. I trust he will handle it within his capabilities. Meanwhile, I wait, as do you all. :-\

Have there been a similar cases, where he has not responded for a long time?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 14, 2018, 04:29:39 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 14, 2018, 04:02:57 AM
Have there been a similar cases, where he has not responded for a long time?

Not for this long. He travels on business sometimes, and it may be a week or two, but this has been quite considerable. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on June 14, 2018, 07:39:36 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 14, 2018, 04:29:39 AM
Not for this long. He travels on business sometimes, and it may be a week or two, but this has been quite considerable. :-\

8)

I wish him well, but I fear there is something beyond his control that has happened in the meanwhile.
Apart from anything else, it doesn't make much sense that he had lauched a poll http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,28196.0.html (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,28196.0.html) on April 30 and then disappeared just after a couple of days.

No other friends, relatives, etc... we may try to contact?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 14, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Well there's nothing to be done. If the site ceases to be available that would be a shame, I've made a backup of the threads I'm most interested in just in case, as I think there are some ideas in there which I'll want to be able to access. If the owner continues to pay for the site to be on the web then I guess that the problem about new members will eventually come to his  attention.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 14, 2018, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 14, 2018, 04:29:39 AM
Not for this long. He travels on business sometimes, and it may be a week or two, but this has been quite considerable. :-\

Rob was in the process of solving the problems that were the result of the transfer to another server, and then he suddenly disappears for a long time without even telling the moderators anything in advance, and apparently he isn't reading his post. This is not consistent with his previous meticulous care for this forum.

I am indeed worried.



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 14, 2018, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 14, 2018, 10:45:48 AM
Rob was in the process of solving the problems that were the result of the transfer to another server, and then he suddenly disappears for a long time without even telling the moderators anything in advance, and apparently he isn't reading his post. This is not consistent with his previous meticulous care for this forum.

That pretty much sums it up. Worrying indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 14, 2018, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 14, 2018, 10:45:48 AM
Rob was in the process of solving the problems that were the result of the transfer to another server, and then he suddenly disappears for a long time without even telling the moderators anything in advance, and apparently he isn't reading his post. This is not consistent with his previous meticulous care for this forum.

I am indeed worried.

+1 Rob has taken meticulous care of this board for well over a decade. What's transpiring now is very much out of character.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on June 14, 2018, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on June 13, 2018, 10:28:42 AM
I will be frequenting another site for classical music discussions. Cheers.

Come back!  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on June 14, 2018, 06:56:29 PM
Also, I wonder where John (MI) has been?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 14, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
Quote from: kyjo on June 14, 2018, 06:56:29 PM
Also, I wonder where John (MI) has been?
He announced that he is in a progressive rock "phase" and won't be listening to classical for a while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 14, 2018, 07:06:39 PM
I did not know that new members had been blocked from registering.

Short term selfishly, I am disappointed that this sitewide collapse in traffic/usability will keep me from selling my CDs (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,28270.0.html).
Long term selfishly, darn, I have been a GMGer since 2006 and can't imagine the internet without it. Can't imagine it. Aside from vacations and especially busy celebrations I've probably visited the forum daily for my entire adult life. It means so darn much to me. And even as my explorations started to move to jazz, well, there was a jazz board too, and king ubu around to cause me to spend hundreds of dollars the way that M forever, Gurn, Todd, amw, Mark Antony Owen, TheGSMoeller, Sergeant Rock, Lethe(vich), Karl Henning, Harry, Novi, North Star, Papy Oli, Bogey, Don/Bulldog/Sammy, Don/Divertimentian, Daverz, George, Holden, and many many others have also caused me to spend hundreds of dollars - and hundreds of hours of sheer happiness.

Ugh!

I hope that Rob is healthy and safe.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 14, 2018, 09:41:21 PM
I'm going to have to throw in the towel here as well. I don't blame Scarpia one bit. I've become increasingly annoyed with this site and really I have no use for it any longer.

I wish everyone here the best and I appreciate all the music chattery. But, I can't imagine why I would want to come back to this forum other than to post my final goodbye, so to all with whom I've communicated here on GMG, I wish you well and I'll see you on Facebook, but I don't really get on there too often other than to check messages and talk with people who aren't even on this site any longer.

All the best to you guys.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 14, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
STATEMENT :laugh:

I realize that a lot of you are worried and probably losing sleep, hunted by the probability that member Marc might be the next one who makes The Statement and decides to leave. :P

Well, here's the STATEMENT: I'm NOT leaving.

Like Brian, and quite a few others, I've been a member since the days of the old (closed) forum, and I've been visiting and posting on a (ir)regular basis. During periods that I didn't feel the need to visit GMG, I just stayed away for a while, and, who knows, this might happen again in future times. I will continue to be a member though, because, in general, I think this is a nice place to blabber about music & things. And I do not intend to join Facebook/Twitter/whatever, because I'm quite sure they're managed by crooks.

I sincerely hope that Rob, who, in general, has been doing a great job considering all years since he created GMG, is fine and that he will be able to fix the technical problems. Because I think the board is still worth it.

As long as GMG is in the air, and I'm still alive, I will remain a member and will not delete my account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 14, 2018, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: Marc on June 14, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
STATEMENT :laugh:

I realize that a lot of you are worried and probably losing sleep, hunted by the probability that member Marc might be the next one who makes The Statement and decides to leave. :P

Well, here's the STATEMENT: I'm NOT leaving.

Like Brian, and quite a few others, I've been a member since the days of the old (closed) forum, and I've been visiting and posting on a (ir)regular basis. During periods that I didn't feel the need to visit GMG, I just stayed away for a while, and, who knows, this might happen again in future times. I will continue to be a member though, because, in general, I think this is a nice place to blabber about music & things. And I do not intend to join Facebook/Twitter/whatever, because I'm quite sure they're managed by crooks.

I sincerely hope that Rob, who, in general, has been doing a great job considering all years since he created GMG, is fine and that he will be able to fix the technical problems. Because I think the board is still worth it.

As long as GMG is in the air, and I'm still alive, I will remain a member and will not delete my account.

Hear, hear. I am of the same opinion :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on June 14, 2018, 11:08:42 PM
Where I come from and even as a street urchin I already knew that when there's a problem people should stick together and that no one gets left behind.

I've also found that here (and allowing for confirmation bias) more than on any other forum I've been a part of, this plays out on a fairly regular basis - "El que se va sin que lo echen, vuelve sin que lo llamen".

e: I'm off to the gym now, with  an early morning listen to Enescu's first Sonata for Cello and Piano still on my mind. I hope you all have a good day.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 14, 2018, 11:15:03 PM
Well, I'm not going anywhere either.... :D

GMG has been my musical home for over ten years now, and like Brian I can't imagine my internet life without it...
And the (few) alternatives have never appealed to me.

Of course I'm not blind to the fact that it is essential that the site stays up and running in good functioning order.
But running towards the exit as soon as technical issues arise, turns the predictions of doom and gloom into a self fulfillling prophesy. We have been through worse, and came out on the other end just fine.

For now I trust that Rob, and if necessary with our help - financially or otherwise - will be able to secure the continuation of GMG.
I'm afraid I wouldn't be much help on the technical side, but I'm ready to pitch in....

Q

PS To everybody that has decided to leave: bye, best of luck.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 15, 2018, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: Marc on June 14, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
I've been a member since the days of the old (closed) forum, and I've been visiting and posting on a (ir)regular basis. During periods that I didn't feel the need to visit GMG, I just stayed away for a while, and, who knows, this might happen again in future times. I will continue to be a member though, because, in general, I think this is a nice place to blabber about music & things.

...

As long as GMG is in the air, and I'm still alive, I will remain a member and will not delete my account.

Same here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on June 15, 2018, 12:11:12 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 15, 2018, 12:02:56 AM
Same here.
And here as well.

GMG is a space where we all share our passion for music in a most civil and (for me at least) enriching way. The have been some technical issues in the recent past which (at least in my case) have been resolved. I do not understand some of our fellow GMGer's decision to "abandon ship" as a reaction to this (transitory) situation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on June 15, 2018, 12:20:14 AM
Quote from: Que on June 14, 2018, 11:15:03 PM
Well, I'm not going anywhere either.... :D

GMG has been my musical home for over ten years now, and like Brian I can't imagine my internet life without it...
And the (few) alternatives have never appealed to me.

Of course I'm not blind to the fact that it is essential that the site stays up and running in good functioning order.
But running towards the exit as soon as technical issues arise, turns the predictions of doom and gloom into a self fulfillling prophesy. We have been through worse, and came out on the other end just fine.

For now I trust that Rob, and if necessary with our help - financially or otherwise - will be able to secure the continuation of GMG.
I'm afraid I wouldn't be much help on the technical side, but I'm ready to pitch in....

Q

PS To everybody that has decided to leave: bye, best of luck.

It is frustrating not to know what it is happening, but not sure what the rush to leave is either. Still, the comments from a few of those leaving does not lead me to post such a kind response as you have Que. The irony is that if they had just left quietly or just said they were moving to a different site, I would have no problem with that. But some of the comments are spiteful and nasty, while trying to get in that last 'dig' before they leave. I feel they (some) are showing their true colors. I find it hard to find charity towards them.


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 15, 2018, 01:06:45 AM
Quote from: Marc on June 14, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
Like Brian, and quite a few others, I've been a member since the days of the old (closed) forum, and I've been visiting and posting on a (ir)regular basis. During periods that I didn't feel the need to visit GMG, I just stayed away for a while, and, who knows, this might happen again in future times. I will continue to be a member though, because, in general, I think this is a nice place to blabber about music & things. And I do not intend to join Facebook/Twitter/whatever, because I'm quite sure they're managed by crooks.

As long as GMG is in the air, and I'm still alive, I will remain a member and will not delete my account.

Well put, Marc. Your words apply to me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 15, 2018, 01:12:15 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 15, 2018, 12:20:14 AM
It is frustrating not to know what it is happening, but not sure what the rush to leave is either. Still, the comments from a few of those leaving does not lead me to post such a kind response as you have Que. The irony is that if they had just left quietly or just said they were moving to a different site, I would have no problem with that. But some of the comments are spiteful and nasty, while trying to get in that last 'dig' before they leave. I feel they (some) are showing their true colors. I find it hard to find charity towards them.

Well, like Que, I do wish them the best of luck, but I admit that my 'statement' was also kind of an ironic wink to the leavers. Their goodbyes tend a bit to 'online keyboard bravery' towards people who can't help the current situation, either. I'm far from a 'clammy' community guy, but even I have to admit it hurts a bit witnessing the way these brave leavers are saying goodbye.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on June 15, 2018, 01:12:20 AM
Quote from: Marc on June 14, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
STATEMENT :laugh:

I realize that a lot of you are worried and probably losing sleep, hunted by the probability that member Marc might be the next one who makes The Statement and decides to leave. :P

Well, here's the STATEMENT: I'm NOT leaving.

Like Brian, and quite a few others, I've been a member since the days of the old (closed) forum, and I've been visiting and posting on a (ir)regular basis. During periods that I didn't feel the need to visit GMG, I just stayed away for a while, and, who knows, this might happen again in future times. I will continue to be a member though, because, in general, I think this is a nice place to blabber about music & things. And I do not intend to join Facebook/Twitter/whatever, because I'm quite sure they're managed by crooks.

I sincerely hope that Rob, who, in general, has been doing a great job considering all years since he created GMG, is fine and that he will be able to fix the technical problems. Because I think the board is still worth it.

As long as GMG is in the air, and I'm still alive, I will remain a member and will not delete my account.

Yep, me too. I have "leaving in a huff and a puff" out of my system, already. I'm in a committed classical-music-chat-room relationship with GMG now. Even if it is ailing and the doctor nowhere to be found.  :-*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 15, 2018, 01:47:43 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 15, 2018, 12:20:14 AM
It is frustrating not to know what it is happening, but not sure what the rush to leave is either. Still, the comments from a few of those leaving does not lead me to post such a kind response as you have Que. The irony is that if they had just left quietly or just said they were moving to a different site, I would have no problem with that. But some of the comments are spiteful and nasty, while trying to get in that last 'dig' before they leave. I feel they (some) are showing their true colors. I find it hard to find charity towards them.

You know, I completely understand how you feel!  :)

But if people want to make a display of burning their bridges, we can't stop them....

I try to save my grudges for any members that have (figuratively) spat in my face over some moderating issue, which is luckily extremely rare....  8)

Anyway, let's hope we can work things out on the technical glitches soon.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on June 15, 2018, 04:13:22 AM
I really think this particular situation should be assessed 6-12 months from now. I (hope) and suspect that everything will be normalized by then. If not, we need to cross that bridge at that point in time. It seems premature to think that the world of GMG will end just because Rob has been gone for a while.  I also don't understand the need to "jump ship" because of this short-term problem. This site is a fun and inspiring nexus for classical music - one never knows how the next post can inspire one to wander unknown paths of music!!!    ;)
I think GMG is a great site for classical music in every form and very much appreciate the members' contributions. Obviously "real life" has its own bumps and intricate mazes, but one's love and interest for classical music generally brings one back to this site sooner or later. Right? Right...............? Right................................?

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 15, 2018, 04:26:46 AM
Oh, I think so, indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on June 15, 2018, 04:29:39 AM
Great news, friends....I'm still here! And I ain't goin nowhere! Plus I have more money to spend.


Speaking of...Hey, Brian, you still selling those CDs? I spy a few...

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 15, 2018, 04:31:35 AM
There are a number of people I have met (or "met") via GMG whom I probably would never have managed to know in real life.  So, I feel a sense of loyalty and gratitude to Rob and the site, and to the many fellow participants who have made this such an enjoyable and enriching environment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on June 15, 2018, 04:59:31 AM
I won't be leaving, but every now and then there might be a couple of months where I don't post, as is my usual posting habit here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on June 15, 2018, 05:24:25 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on June 15, 2018, 04:13:22 AM
Right? Right...............? Right................................?

:P

Yes!  Yes!  Yes!  :D

I think I have been a member for over 10 years now, and have enjoyed many things.  I have met Karl Henning (he came to visit Ohio a few years ago) and we have collaborated on a few works, which have music of - allow me to say   $:)  - pure genius!   0:)   Those works obviously would not have happened without GMG!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 15, 2018, 05:59:37 AM
I have been a member here since 2003. I was a moderator back in the days when that was an elected position, voted on not by popularity, but by the nebulous idea of probably being fair and honest and maybe good at it. Whether I posted or not, I have been here every day, making sure the big fires got put out. It's hard to see me leaving simply because of some technical issues. I'm sure those things will get worked out. In the meantime, I'm reading and listening to music, right now some Mozart I bought from Brian that arrived yesterday.

(Commercial pause: You should avail yourself of some of those, he's virtually giving them away, and shipping is fast and cheap. Now back to our programme...)

Anyway, keep enjoying what we have. Isn't this the only place with free access to Marc? That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 15, 2018, 06:04:57 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 15, 2018, 05:59:37 AM
[...]
Anyway, keep enjoying what we have. Isn't this the only place with free access to Marc? [...]

THE-ONE-AND-ONLY, good sir Gurn.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mahlerian on June 15, 2018, 06:20:20 AM
I appreciate the tight-knit community here, and I would be sorry to see it go.  I'm not leaving anytime soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 15, 2018, 07:01:58 AM
Quote from: Marc on June 15, 2018, 06:04:57 AM
THE-ONE-AND-ONLY, good sir Gurn.

The one and only Marc, that is. 0:)
But I'm also a member of TC and CMG.

And I'm not leaving anyway anyhow anywhere.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 15, 2018, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on June 15, 2018, 04:29:39 AM

Speaking of...Hey, Brian, you still selling those CDs? I spy a few...
Girlfriend said I can't buy more til I sell more. Help!!!!  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on June 15, 2018, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: Brian on June 15, 2018, 10:58:03 AM
Girlfriend said I can't buy more til I sell more. Help!!!!  ???

I can't help you with the girlfriend, but I might be able to take a few of those CDs off your shelf  ;D


Move to PMs.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on June 15, 2018, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: Brian on June 15, 2018, 10:58:03 AM
Girlfriend said I can't buy more til I sell more. Help!!!!  ???

8)

(Greg beat me to the punch.) Can't help with that problem, but I will add to the chorus of those who are staying. Even though time constraints have prevented me from being here much lately, I still like the camaraderie, the bonhomie, and the diversity of music that people discuss here. I'd like to think that as moderators, we've encouraged as little censorship as possible (without the Wild West atmosphere of an uncurated forum), while dealing fairly with occasional assaults on civility.

In any case, I suspect Rob is either very busy or hasn't quite figured out what's wrong. (This is a guy who used to do helicopter medical rescue in his spare time, so he's a good soul.) And lately, now and then I point to GMG as an early example of social media. Even without the bells and whistles of Twitter, Facebook, or other successors, the bare-bones interface of the site is appealing -- not to mention, the folks here, some of whom I've met in person.

Anyway, carry on. Were they alive today, Bach, Haydn, Stockhausen, and Xenakis would all be grateful for your passion and advocacy.  8)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on June 15, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
Quote from: Brewski on June 15, 2018, 11:21:57 AM

In any case, I suspect Rob is either very busy or hasn't quite figured out what's wrong.


--Bruce

At this point, I just hope that he's well, healthy, and alive. We never did get that Whisk(e)y going... which is in high order if he makes a return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 15, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on June 15, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
At this point, I just hope that he's well, healthy, and alive. We never did get that Whisk(e)y going... which is in high order if he makes a return.
Has anyone sent a text to that number Mandryka found with whois? It would be nice to know he's alive.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 15, 2018, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Brewski on June 15, 2018, 11:21:57 AM
8)

(Greg beat me to the punch.) Can't help with that problem, but I will add to the chorus of those who are staying. Even though time constraints have prevented me from being here much lately, I still like the camaraderie, the bonhomie, and the diversity of music that people discuss here. I'd like to think that as moderators, we've encouraged as little censorship as possible (without the Wild West atmosphere of an uncurated forum), while dealing fairly with occasional assaults on civility.

In any case, I suspect Rob is either very busy or hasn't quite figured out what's wrong. (This is a guy who used to do helicopter medical rescue in his spare time, so he's a good soul.) And lately, now and then I point to GMG as an early example of social media. Even without the bells and whistles of Twitter, Facebook, or other successors, the bare-bones interface of the site is appealing -- not to mention, the folks here, some of whom I've met in person.


Hi Bruce - enjoyed your comments - thanks.  Just to add my concern about Rob's recent absence on the site - hope that all is well w/ him.  Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on June 17, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
With fewer than 300 posts to my name I'm hardly a GMG veteran (though I was a longtime lurker before that!) and I realize it probably matters to no one, but I'm here for the duration. Fortunately I've had no issues since the server switchover, but I'd still be hanging around waiting for the issues to resolve if I had. This forum is much superior to the other one (*ahem*) to which I previously belonged.

Incidentally, I can't speak for the others who've left, but I'm confident that Mirror Image will be back. I've seen him do this before, more than once. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 18, 2018, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on June 17, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
With fewer than 300 posts to my name I'm hardly a GMG veteran (though I was a longtime lurker before that!) and I realize it probably matters to no one, but I'm here for the duration. Fortunately I've had no issues since the server switchover, but I'd still be hanging around waiting for the issues to resolve if I had. This forum is much superior to the other one (*ahem*) to which I previously belonged.

Incidentally, I can't speak for the others who've left, but I'm confident that Mirror Image will be back. I've seen him do this before, more than once. :)

I agree about MI and hope he returns soon but I disagree with your 'it probably matters to no one' comment. It does matter.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 18, 2018, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 18, 2018, 11:35:52 AM
I agree about MI and hope he returns soon but I disagree with your 'it probably matters to no one' comment. It does matter.
:)

Quite so. We don't want people to leave, if the only ones who stayed all agreed with each other, for example, it would be a pretty dull place. Certainly there are those who can wear out their welcome, but mostly that wouldn't come as a surprise, either to the wearer or the wearee. :D

In my years here I have met a great number of people I genuinely like. They are not always the same ones that the majority genuinely like. I genuinely like that. ;)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 18, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 18, 2018, 05:25:01 PM
Quite so. We don't want people to leave, if the only ones who stayed all agreed with each other, for example, it would be a pretty dull place. Certainly there are those who can wear out their welcome, but mostly that wouldn't come as a surprise, either to the wearer or the wearee. :D

In my years here I have met a great number of people I genuinely like. They are not always the same ones that the majority genuinely like. I genuinely like that. ;)

8)

QuoteIf you should ever find yourself in the majority, pause and rethink.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 18, 2018, 06:59:34 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 18, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
QuoteIf you should ever find yourself in the majority, pause and rethink.

A paraphrase of my favorite author (Mark Twain) I believe. And so, so true. :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mahlerian on June 19, 2018, 06:42:23 AM
I'm sad to see Jessop go, and I hope that when the ability to register has been restored, he will return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on June 19, 2018, 07:29:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/v/y__f6czarnA

All 'I'm leaving and never coming back' type posts should automatically be replaced by this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 19, 2018, 09:53:42 AM
???  Jessop has unloaded his account?  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mahlerian on June 19, 2018, 10:12:56 AM
Quote from: San Antone on June 19, 2018, 09:47:28 AM
Do you know what sent him over the edge?  Again, he could have just stopped visiting the site but left his account intact.

I do not, but it may be related to the thread concerning moderation of a certain member.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on June 19, 2018, 07:49:21 PM
I don't understand Jessop's decision. TC censors people on an hourly basis. Every day you'll see a range of petty examples. Here you can go whole months here without being aware that some of the posters are also moderators.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on June 19, 2018, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on June 17, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
Incidentally, I can't speak for the others who've left, but I'm confident that Mirror Image will be back. I've seen him do this before, more than once. :)

Same here. I wouldn't be surprised if he returns in less than a week. He likes to play tricks on us sometimes! ;D

Oh, and by the way, I'm certainly not leaving!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 19, 2018, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on June 19, 2018, 07:49:21 PMTC censors people on an hourly basis. Every day you'll see a range of petty examples. Here you can go whole months here without being aware that some of the posters are also moderators.

Who are these hidden moderators who censor people on an hourly basis? Doesn't it say "global moderator" under their name? Or are there non-global moderators whose identity is not revealed?

I wonder who made the decision about snyprr.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on June 19, 2018, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on June 19, 2018, 07:49:21 PM
I don't understand Jessop's decision. TC censors people on an hourly basis. Every day you'll see a range of petty examples. Here you can go whole months here without being aware that some of the posters are also moderators.
He has already been banned again, there...

Edit: No, I'm wrong. I saw his profile banned till yesterday, now he's in again... don't know what's happening there.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 20, 2018, 12:53:10 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on June 19, 2018, 09:54:24 PM
Who are these hidden moderators who censor people on an hourly basis? Doesn't it say "global moderator" under their name? Or are there non-global moderators whose identity is not revealed?

I wonder who made the decision about snyprr.

No.  If it were as innocent as that, you know who the Moderators are, and you would take it offline.

You are determined to maintain a public fuss;  and it isn't cute anymore.  You've participated on GMG for nine years or more;  if you have not investigated the Forum Rules (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,5.0.html) before now, you don't get to mount an inquisition based on your personal incuriosity.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 20, 2018, 06:27:43 AM
Quote from: kyjo on June 19, 2018, 08:02:04 PM


Oh, and by the way, I'm certainly not leaving!  :)

I'm very pleased to hear that!  :)

And I hope that John (MI) is back soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 20, 2018, 07:20:52 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 20, 2018, 12:53:10 AM
No.  If it were as innocent as that, you know who the Moderators are, and you would take it offline.

You are determined to maintain a public fuss;  and it isn't cute anymore.  You've participated on GMG for nine years or more;  if you have not investigated the Forum Rules (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,5.0.html) before now, you don't get to mount an inquisition based on your personal incuriosity.
I have read the rules. They don't say you cannot question. Mandryka asked a legitimate question. This group has lost members who were upset with the moderation. I for one do not see why such decisions should be unquestioned.

It's not relevant to the point I am making but I think the answer Mandryka got is clear enough, and satisfactory to me. Only he can decide if it is satisfactory to him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 20, 2018, 07:44:43 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 20, 2018, 07:20:52 AM
I have read the rules. They don't say you cannot question. Mandryka asked a legitimate question. This group has lost members who were upset with the moderation. I for one do not see why such decisions should be unquestioned.

Fine.  Not all questions are asked in good faith;  a metric tonne of snypsss's questions, comes to mind.  So when Mandryka raises what is on its face a legitimate question, in multiple threads, and disregarding the response which a moderator gave earlier in one of those threads, I think it legitimate to wonder if he really wants an answer, if he's rather agitating.

So, sure:  he asked a legitimate question.  And you've raised a legitimate point.  And perhaps my answer satisfies you, perhaps it doesn't.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 20, 2018, 07:54:11 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 20, 2018, 07:20:52 AM
I have read the rules. They don't say you cannot question. Mandryka asked a legitimate question. This group has lost members who were upset with the moderation. I for one do not see why such decisions should be unquestioned.

It's not relevant to the point I am making but I think the answer Mandryka got is clear enough, and satisfactory to me. Only he can decide if it is satisfactory to him.

Roughly equal parts legitimate question, and shouting his head off.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 20, 2018, 09:20:32 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on June 19, 2018, 07:49:21 PM
Here you can go whole months here without being aware that some of the posters are also moderators.

That is because those months actually go by without any moderating of members taking place... And that is how it should be...  8)
As I have experienced myself, moderating not seldom creates more problems than it solves.

I think I speak for all moderators in saying that we are first and foremost members of this community, who happen to have taken on the additional duty (burden) of being responsible for keeping the peace and maintaining a safe environment for cordial social interaction.

Quote from: Mandryka on June 19, 2018, 09:54:24 PM
Who are these hidden moderators who censor people on an hourly basis? Doesn't it say "global moderator" under their name? Or are there non-global moderators whose identity is not revealed?

There are no other moderators than the "global moderators".

QuoteI wonder who made the decision about snyprr.

The moderators, who else?  ::)

As to your calling into question of our decision: the moderators are accountable for their actions, namely to each other and to Rob. Any accountability to members and putting any moderating decision up for public debate, including elaborate disclosure of what is going on behind the scenes, would defy its very purpose. There is therefore no trial by jury, neither of the moderators nor of any offender of the forum rules. I rather prefer members to debate musical matters, if you don't mind...

Quote from: Ken B on June 20, 2018, 07:20:52 AM
This group has lost members who were upset with the moderation. I for one do not see why such decisions should be unquestioned.

Most members leave because they loose interest, have more important things to do in life or because of altrications with other members. Moderating as a reason to leave comes only after that.

So... what about publicly calling into question the obnoxious behaviour of certain members that drives other members away? Quite legitimate, right?  ;)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 20, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: Que on June 20, 2018, 09:20:32 AM

As to your calling into question of our decision:

Not yet.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 20, 2018, 12:07:57 PM
Quote from: Que on June 20, 2018, 09:20:32 AM
That is because those months actually go by without any moderating of members taking place...

That's true and it's perhaps the principal reason for why a sudden outburst of moderating activity might seem unwarranted to some of us.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 20, 2018, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 20, 2018, 12:07:57 PM
That's true and it's perhaps the principal reason for why a sudden outburst of moderating activity might seem unwarranted to some of us.  :D

Yes I expect that's true. I hope they weren't overreacting. Perhaps whatever they were reacting to has been deleated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on June 20, 2018, 01:04:56 PM

(https://blog.itil.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/flogging_dead_horse_what.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 21, 2018, 10:05:56 PM
Several folk have wondered about MI, I gather he has discovered a sudden enthusiasm for rock music which he feels altogether pushes his long term classical interests aside. He may well return when he again feels the need for he former pleasures and his friends here. I never have grasped why people repeatedly leave formally then rejoin. Unless there is some terrific bust up, rare, just stop posting for a while and pop back as and when. I have raised my eyebrows at some members who after years here, threw in the towel because they had access problems for a week.

I am not happy that the site search engine has disappeared, though it never has liked Berlioz damn it, but the inability of new people or returning folk to register is the real big problem. I hope that Rob lets us know soon what is or is not going on. So folks, do think about the impulse to leave as, for the moment, there is no way back.

Anyone want a recommendation of a Pergolesi Stabat Mater that I discovered for myself recently, let me know.

Mike

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 21, 2018, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: knight66 on June 21, 2018, 10:05:56 PM
I am not happy that the site search engine has disappeared

???

It hasn't. It's there and it's functional.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 21, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 21, 2018, 11:29:56 PM
???

It hasn't. It's there and it's functional.

Ah, it is working now, news to me. Last I knew was we were to use Google. Thanks.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 22, 2018, 12:51:04 AM
Quote from: knight66 on June 21, 2018, 10:05:56 PM
Several folk have wondered about MI, I gather he has discovered a sudden enthusiasm for rock music which he feels altogether pushes his long term classical interests aside. He may well return when he again feels the need for he former pleasures and his friends here. I never have grasped why people repeatedly leave formally then rejoin. Unless there is some terrific bust up, rare, just stop posting for a while and pop back as and when. I have raised my eyebrows at some members who after years here, threw in the towel because they had access problems for a week.

I am not happy that the site search engine has disappeared, though it never has liked Berlioz damn it, but the inability of new people or returning folk to register is the real big problem. I hope that Rob lets us know soon what is or is not going on. So folks, do think about the impulse to leave as, for the moment, there is no way back.

Anyone want a recommendation of a Pergolesi Stabat Mater that I discovered for myself recently, let me know.

Mike

Mike

If Rob has left us for ever, is there anything that we can do to create a mirror of the site, or indeed to take it over?

If the worst comes to the worst, Talk Classical offers similar functionality, you can post text, images and videos, which in fact is really all I need, though for some reason I find this website more congenial, maybe because it's more "peaceful." But for those looking for friendly banter about music in a listening thread, which I guess is what many people are here for, it's not the same ambience at all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 22, 2018, 01:03:57 AM
Rob's movements have often meen a bit mysterious. He has been unavailable for extended periords in the past when he has been on medical missions in remote places.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 22, 2018, 01:17:51 AM
Quote from: knight66 on June 21, 2018, 10:05:56 PM
[...]
Anyone want a recommendation of a Pergolesi Stabat Mater that I discovered for myself recently, let me know.
[...]

Hi there mod Mike.
Would you be so kind to place your recommendation(s) in this thread?

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,28220.0.html

;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 22, 2018, 01:37:19 AM
Quote from: Marc on June 22, 2018, 01:17:51 AM
Hi there mod Mike.
Would you be so kind to place your recommendation(s) in this thread?

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,28220.0.html

;)

Apologies, I meant Vivaldi Stabat Mater. I will shove it on when I get a chance.

M
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 22, 2018, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: knight66 on June 22, 2018, 01:03:57 AM
Rob's movements have often meen a bit mysterious. He has been unavailable for extended periords in the past when he has been on medical missions in remote places.

Mike

That's reassuring.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on June 22, 2018, 02:47:40 AM
His profile updated to show he logged on today!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 22, 2018, 04:00:40 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 22, 2018, 02:47:40 AM
His profile updated to show he logged on today!

Who ? Rob, or MI ?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 22, 2018, 04:21:48 AM
Quote from: André on June 22, 2018, 04:00:40 AM
Who ? Rob, or MI ?


Rob.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on June 22, 2018, 04:58:46 AM
Yeah, he was on last night. I didn't send him a PM because I imagine he's been inundated, and there's nothing unique that I could ask/add in any case.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on June 23, 2018, 10:33:24 PM
Was it just a flying visit, or did anyone communicate with Rob?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sammy on June 24, 2018, 10:54:09 AM
I'm not missing, but I will be gone after this posting. 

Participation rates in the games I run have been declining for a few weeks now.  I expected this to happen, but I also expected that there would be some new members to join in.  Unfortunately, new membership doesn't happen here.

For those interested, there are currently 2 unfinished games.  Everything needed to continue both games is housed in the applicable selection threads so.......continue if you like. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 24, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
Sammy, I imagine that the new membership issue will be sorted out at some point. Until then, as a member of six years standing, surely you could enter into discussions with the folk here. I hope that because people are not flocking to your games that you take that as a personal rejection. There are other ways to enjoy the site.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 27, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
Was concerned that Scion 7 had disappeared but was then reassured that he had been active not long ago.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on July 03, 2018, 11:00:03 AM
Karlo (North Star) has been absent for some time now. Anyone heard from him recently?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 03, 2018, 11:23:25 AM
Jo498 hasn't been here since April 22. One of my favorite posters, if I have such a thing. Hopefully, he got a life and that's all. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 03, 2018, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: ritter on July 03, 2018, 11:00:03 AM
Karlo (North Star) has been absent for some time now. Anyone heard from him recently?

Aye, he is well, and a-vacationing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on July 03, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
I just thought he was just halfway up a mountain and making a really long exposure with a pinhole camera or something.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on July 03, 2018, 04:21:14 PM
And Todd. Unless he has a new username. Having said that, I remember his being away from the forum before.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 03, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Todd's on Facebook, he seems well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on July 03, 2018, 04:47:17 PM
Cheers. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 03, 2018, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: NikF on July 03, 2018, 04:47:17 PM
Cheers. Good stuff.

Al vostro servizio, mate.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on July 03, 2018, 11:05:12 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 03, 2018, 03:14:16 PM
Aye, he is well, and a-vacationing.
Good to know. Thanks, Karl!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 11, 2018, 06:20:28 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 03, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Todd's on Facebook, he seems well.
Hey Karl - to which Todd do you refer? I went to your Facebook to find Oregon/Beethoven Todd and saw another former GMG Todd, Todd S., instead.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on July 11, 2018, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 11, 2018, 06:20:28 AM
Hey Karl - to which Todd do you refer? I went to your Facebook to find Oregon/Beethoven Todd and saw another former GMG Todd, Todd S., instead.

Maybe Beethoven's Todd is campaigning for the Grand Old Party. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 11, 2018, 08:50:30 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 11, 2018, 06:20:28 AM
Hey Karl - to which Todd do you refer? I went to your Facebook to find Oregon/Beethoven Todd and saw another former GMG Todd, Todd S., instead.

Ah, then I may be some blend of confused and mistaken, Brian.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EddieRUKiddingVarese on July 13, 2018, 11:44:53 PM
Quote from: ComposerOfAvantGarde on October 15, 2016, 02:40:14 AM
By 'autocracy' I meant 'autocorrect'

Maybe you could do an autocorreted composition ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on July 14, 2018, 12:06:40 AM
Quote from: ritter on July 03, 2018, 11:00:03 AM
Karlo (North Star) has been absent for some time now. Anyone heard from him recently?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 03, 2018, 03:14:16 PM
Aye, he is well, and a-vacationing.
Yeah, and limited access due to not remembering my password correctly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 14, 2018, 12:13:26 AM
Quote from: North Star on July 14, 2018, 12:06:40 AM
Yeah, and limited access due to not remembering my password correctly.

Good to have you back!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on August 20, 2018, 12:54:10 PM
Has anyone heard from John of Scotland?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on August 20, 2018, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Cato on August 20, 2018, 12:54:10 PM
Has anyone heard from John of Scotland?

He reacts sometimes to my tweets on twitter, but that has been some time ago.
John is very much his own man.
One of the guys I really miss.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on August 21, 2018, 12:58:06 PM
Quote from: "Harry" on August 20, 2018, 01:53:44 PM
He reacts sometimes to my tweets on twitter, but that has been some time ago.
John is very much his own man.
One of the guys I really miss.

Aye!  I wonder if he is suffering again from concussion syndrome.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 28, 2018, 02:39:21 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on August 20, 2018, 01:53:44 PM
He reacts sometimes to my tweets on twitter, but that has been some time ago.
John is very much his own man.
One of the guys I really miss.
I miss him as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 28, 2018, 02:29:22 PM
snyppr gone (I can never remember where to put the p's and n's)? What's GMG without snyppr?

(corrected)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on August 29, 2018, 12:37:01 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 28, 2018, 02:29:22 PM
snyppr gone (I can never remember where to put the p's and n's)? What's GMG with snyppr?

What is GMG without snyprrr ?   ??? :o  :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 29, 2018, 01:11:41 AM
Without going full Freud, I admit I enjoyed the original . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on August 29, 2018, 01:23:05 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 29, 2018, 01:11:41 AM
Without going full Freud, I admit I enjoyed the original . . . .


Yes, at least he was entertaining. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 29, 2018, 05:10:30 AM
Music-related contribution was entertaining. I understand that when I was away he went off the deep end with the political rants, but in the past I found those posts easy to ignore. Oh well, too bad he was incapable of restraining himself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 29, 2018, 06:00:39 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 29, 2018, 05:10:30 AM
Music-related contribution was entertaining.

Aye, whether intelligible or no.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 29, 2018, 07:47:35 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 29, 2018, 06:00:39 AM
Aye, whether intelligible or no.

I always found his musings on music intelligible.

His political rants were unhinged and apparently contained offensive material recently, but he never personally attacked anyone on the board (that I can remember) and for that reason I found it relatively easy to ignore. I can understand that people who identify with groups he might have made offensive remarks about might see it differently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 29, 2018, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 29, 2018, 07:47:35 AM
I always found his musings on music intelligible.

he never personally attacked anyone on the board

Agreed on both accounts.

And sometimes I had a vivid feeling that his political rants were mere button-pushing and baiting.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on August 29, 2018, 07:14:59 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 29, 2018, 07:47:35 AM
I always found his musings on music intelligible.

His political rants were unhinged and apparently contained offensive material recently, but he never personally attacked anyone on the board (that I can remember) and for that reason I found it relatively easy to ignore. I can understand that people who identify with groups he might have made offensive remarks about might see it differently.

Although much of his stuff was offensive to say the least he never descended to the level of rationalizing murder in the way a certain other member does. (Those who follow a certain thread in The Diner will know whom I mean.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on August 29, 2018, 07:31:19 PM
Quote from: Florestan on August 29, 2018, 10:42:16 AM
And sometimes I had a vivid feeling that his political rants were mere button-pushing and baiting.
I wouldn't be surprised either, although some aspects of them (eg a frequently expressed disdain for women) seemed more genuine and related to problems in his personal life.

Quote from: JBS on August 29, 2018, 07:14:59 PM(Those who follow a certain thread in The Diner will know whom I mean.)
The person you are obliquely referring to is definitely engaging in button-pushing and baiting rather than good faith arguments, & has a long history of this. Although in this case I have grounds to agree with some of that person's supposed positions I still feel adding them to my ignore list was the best decision.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 29, 2018, 08:35:24 PM
Wow, sounds like I am missing some good stuff in the Diner...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2018, 12:52:18 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 29, 2018, 10:42:16 AM
And sometimes I had a vivid feeling that his political rants were mere button-pushing and baiting.

Sure.  And I'll admit that I have limited patience with that sort of wanking.  Just my perspective, and not any GMG policy recommendation.

I have patience to extend, and to extend greatly, for many things in life.  But not that idling rubbish.

There:  I've just been about three shades too honest on the Internet.  But at least no one here is under any delusion that I may be a troll.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 01:26:12 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 30, 2018, 12:52:18 AM
Sure.  And I'll admit that I have limited patience with that sort of wanking.  Just my perspective, and not any GMG policy recommendation.

I have patience to extend, and to extend greatly, for many things in life.  But not that idling rubbish.

Yet you oftenly, if not always, felt the need to reply to his ravings instead of ignoring them.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2018, 01:31:50 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 01:26:12 AM
Yet you oftenly, if not always, felt the need to reply to his ravings instead of ignoring them.  :)

Often is the adverb, no -ly is needed  0:)

You ought to have said, I replied, rather than, I felt the need to reply.  I know you do not mean me the discourtesy of presuming to know what I feel  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 01:40:15 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 30, 2018, 01:31:50 AM
Often is the adverb, no -ly is needed  0:)

https://wikidiff.com/oftenly/often (https://wikidiff.com/oftenly/often)

They say: As adverbs the difference between often and oftenly is that often is frequently, many times while oftenly is (nonstandard) often. Can you make heads or tails of that? I infer from it that the difference between them is that there's no difference. ???

Quote
You ought to have said, I replied, rather than, I felt the need to reply.  I know you do not mean me the discourtesy of presuming to know what I feel  8)

I actually thought about that just after posting. 

Anyway, I always wondered why on Earth didn't you just ignore his rants? With your replies you did nothing but invite him to go on.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on August 30, 2018, 03:56:43 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 01:40:15 AM
https://wikidiff.com/oftenly/often (https://wikidiff.com/oftenly/often)

They say: As adverbs the difference between often and oftenly is that often is frequently, many times while oftenly is (nonstandard) often. Can you make heads or tails of that? [...]

Hm, I thought that oftenly should be frequent.

(Just felt the need to rep.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 03:59:46 AM
Quote from: Marc on August 30, 2018, 03:56:43 AM
Hm, I thought that oftenly should be frequent.

(Just felt the need to rep.)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Very, very good!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on August 30, 2018, 04:09:19 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 03:59:46 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Very, very good!

I would not be surprised if the Dutch language/grammar is even more confusing... apart from all the strange noises we are making. (Hnnnggggggggggg :-[.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2018, 04:25:49 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 01:40:15 AM
https://wikidiff.com/oftenly/often (https://wikidiff.com/oftenly/often)

They say: As adverbs the difference between often and oftenly is that often is frequently, many times while oftenly is (nonstandard) often. Can you make heads or tails of that? I infer from it that the difference between them is that there's no difference. ???

Is wikidiff.com a . . . source?

I shouldn't think there's any difference in meaning.  My entrenched opinion (even if an antique usage were found) is that oftenly just ain't English, or ain't English no more.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 04:26:58 AM
Quote from: Marc on August 30, 2018, 04:09:19 AM
I would not be surprised if the Dutch language/grammar is even more confusing... apart from all the strange noises we are making. (Hnnnggggggggggg :-[.)

I had a course in Dutch while living in Eindhoven. Gave me a lot of headache and to my great surprise in the final exam I fared better in speaking than in reading comprehension.  :D

That gggggggghhhhhhh always made me wonder whether the speaker was in imminent danger of death by suffocation....  ;D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 04:28:17 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 30, 2018, 04:25:49 AM
Is wikidiff.com a . . . source?

Actually, the most coherent I could find.  :laugh:

Quote
I shouldn't think there's any difference in meaning.  My entrenched opinion (even if an antique usage were found) is that oftenly just ain't English, or ain't English no more.

Well, they say it's nonstandard.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2018, 04:35:28 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 04:28:17 AM
Well, they say it's nonstandard.  :D

They do.  I'm only sharing with you, limited viewpoint though it be, that I have never heard or seen that word in use.

Before this morning.

I am morally prepared to consider nonstandard a sharp understatement in the present instance  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 04:39:25 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 30, 2018, 04:35:28 AM
They do.  I'm only sharing with you, limited viewpoint though it be, that I have never heard or seen that word in use.

Before this morning.

Why, it's not the first time I used it here. It's certainly going to be the last, though.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on August 30, 2018, 06:05:32 AM
I don't recall seeing oftenly before either, except a few earlier posts by Florestan. OED says it's Now U.S. regional (rare)., and the last real quotation of its use is from 1751.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2018, 06:33:54 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 04:39:25 AM
Why, it's not the first time I used it here. It's certainly going to be the last, though.

Quote from: North Star on August 30, 2018, 06:05:32 AM
I don't recall seeing oftenly before either, except a few earlier posts by Florestan. OED says it's Now U.S. regional (rare)., and the last real quotation of its use is from 1751.

My dear, Andrei, I do hope you did not take my post as somehow harsher than I intended;  I fear I may owe you an apology.  I never heard or read it, but I also acknowledge that that fact alone is inconclusive—it was only here on GMG that I learnt that ahold is a legitimate English word (which struck my then-under-informed eye as . . . a barbarism).


And, thank you, Karlo.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 30, 2018, 07:44:02 AM
And you claim that this discussion is more worth reading than anything that synppr posted?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2018, 07:53:46 AM
I make no such claim, thanks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 30, 2018, 08:16:21 AM
That was a reference to the grand "you" not a reference to the previous post.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 30, 2018, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on August 30, 2018, 08:16:21 AM
That was a reference to the grand "you" not a reference to the previous post.

All the same, a curious threshold.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 30, 2018, 06:33:54 AM
My dear, Andrei, I do hope you did not take my post as somehow harsher than I intended;

Absolutely not, Karl, rest assured --- and in my turn I do hope my replies did not sound like I did. I intended them to be purely humorous and tongue-in-cheek.

QuoteI fear I may owe you an apology.  I never heard or read it, but I also acknowledge that that fact alone is inconclusive—it was only here on GMG that I learnt that ahold is a legitimate English word (which struck my then-under-informed eye as . . . a barbarism).

Fear not, my dear friend. You owe me no apology because I took no offense whatsoever. I am not a native English speaker so I trust on principle its native speakers when they correct me. Plus, it's to you that I owe being acknowledged with an English word which is very apt in many a GMG contexts: kerfuffle.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on August 30, 2018, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 10:16:36 AM
Absolutely not, Karl, rest assured --- and in my turn I do hope my replies did not sound like I did. I intended them to be purely humorous and tongue-in-cheek.

Fear not, my dear friend. You owe me no apology because I took no offense whatsoever. I am not a native English speaker so I trust on principle its native speakers when they correct me. Plus, it's to you that I owe being acknowledged with an English word which is very apt in many a GMG contexts: kerfuffle.
It's famously hard to detect the position of the tongue at the time of writing of messages on Internet forums.

Speaking of words picked up from our friend Karl, I've found chortle very apt on GMG quite frequently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 30, 2018, 10:51:14 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 29, 2018, 10:42:16 AM
Agreed on both accounts.

And sometimes I had a vivid feeling that his political rants were mere button-pushing and baiting.

+2

And I had some nice PM communication with him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: North Star on August 30, 2018, 10:46:16 AM
It's famously hard to detect the position of the tongue at the time of writing of messages on Internet forums.

Emoticons are a great help in this respect, but sometimes not using one is the equivalent of using the proper one. ( >:D :P)

Quote
Speaking of words picked up from our friend Karl, I've found chortle very apt on GMG quite frequently.

Which I often misspelled as chortie.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 13, 2018, 10:33:54 AM
What's happened to nodogen?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 13, 2018, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 30, 2018, 10:16:36 AM
[Karl supplied] an English word which is very apt in many a GMG contexts: kerfuffle.

I confess to not being entirely clear as to the difference between a kerfuffle and a ruckuss, and wonder if Karl might offer a thought or two.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
A ruckus requires one person, a kerfuffle requires more than one.

fixed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
A ruckus can be requires one person

I won't start a kerfuffle for (or is it over) this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 13, 2018, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
A ruckus can be requires one person, a kerfuffle requires more than one.

So two or more ruckuses make a kerfuffle?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: EddieRUKiddingVarese on September 13, 2018, 11:50:43 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 13, 2018, 10:33:54 AM
What's happened to nodogen?

And Dogen too
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
I won't start a kerfuffle for (or is it over) this.

Unless I respond, you can only start a ruckus. It is only a kerfuffle if I get into it with you.  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 13, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 12:00:03 PM
Unless I respond, you can only start a ruckus. It is only a kerfuffle if I get into it with you.  0:)

I see. So in a scenario where I make a ruckus over here, and you make a ruckus over there, we have two ruckuses. But if I make a ruckus and you join my ruckus, we have a kerfuffle.
Yes?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 12:18:34 PM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on September 13, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
I see. So in a scenario where I make a ruckus over here, and you make a ruckus over there, we have two ruckuses. But if I make a ruckus and you join my ruckus, we have a kerfuffle.
Yes?

That is my claim, a ruckus requires noise, a kerfuffle requires conflict. Two hooligans who are in accord make a bigger ruckus. Two hooligans in opposition make a kerfuffle.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 13, 2018, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 12:18:34 PM
That is my claim, a ruckus requires noise, a kerfuffle requires conflict. Two hooligans who are in accord make a bigger ruckus. Two hooligans in opposition make a kerfuffle.

Yet again, thanks to your goodself, I go to bed more knowledgeable than when I woke up.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 13, 2018, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: Florestan on September 13, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
I won't start a kerfuffle for (or is it over) this.
Over.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 13, 2018, 12:53:34 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on September 13, 2018, 12:18:34 PM
That is my claim, a ruckus requires noise, a kerfuffle requires conflict. Two hooligans who are in accord make a bigger ruckus. Two hooligans in opposition make a kerfuffle.
This is an elegant solution.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 13, 2018, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: EddieRUKiddingVarese on September 13, 2018, 11:50:43 AM
And Dogen too

Yes, him as well!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 14, 2018, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on September 13, 2018, 12:23:03 PM
Yet again, thanks to your goodself, I go to bed more knowledgeable than when I woke up.

+ 1, except in my case it's the other way around.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 14, 2018, 01:18:46 AM
Quote from: Florestan on September 14, 2018, 12:12:30 AM
+ 1, except in my case it's the other way around.  :D

Gentlemen, I think we may congratulate ourselves on having transformed several bemused ruskuses into an entertaining kerfuffle.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 14, 2018, 02:03:07 AM
I can confirm that I was entertained, but quietly, to myself, so as not to raise . . . The Unseemly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 14, 2018, 02:26:09 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 14, 2018, 02:03:07 AM
I can confirm that I was entertained, but quietly, to myself, so as not to raise . . . The Unseemly.

I like to think that all our ruckuses are seemly, and our kerfuffles gentlemanly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 14, 2018, 04:00:23 AM
I appreciate the kerfuffluous courtesy!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on September 26, 2018, 05:24:43 AM
I AM BACK!
Had the misfortune to lose my passwd during the difficult stage of the forum and the resetting did not work. I almost gave up but then I made contact with Mike/Gurn some time ago and he encouraged me to wait some more time. Now hopefully, everything will be in working order again...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 26, 2018, 05:31:40 AM
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 26, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 26, 2018, 05:24:43 AM
I AM BACK!
Had the misfortune to lose my passwd during the difficult stage of the forum and the resetting did not work. I almost gave up but then I made contact with Mike/Gurn some time ago and he encouraged me to wait some more time. Now hopefully, everything will be in working order again...

You were not alone. Welcome back to the ruckus, and any kerfuffles that take your fancy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on September 26, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 14, 2018, 04:00:23 AM
kerfuffluous

My vote for Word of the Week.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 26, 2018, 10:18:39 AM
Winning!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 26, 2018, 10:25:37 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 26, 2018, 05:24:43 AM
I AM BACK!
Had the misfortune to lose my passwd during the difficult stage of the forum and the resetting did not work. I almost gave up but then I made contact with Mike/Gurn some time ago and he encouraged me to wait some more time. Now hopefully, everything will be in working order again...

Welcome back from me, too. Honestly, I missed you: our musical tastes and even general outlook are quite similar.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on September 26, 2018, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: Florestan on September 26, 2018, 10:25:37 AM
Welcome back from me, too. Honestly, I missed you: our musical tastes and even general outlook are quite similar.

Wait? I thought you were a missing member, Florestan!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on September 26, 2018, 05:28:31 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 26, 2018, 05:24:43 AM
I AM BACK!
Had the misfortune to lose my passwd during the difficult stage of the forum and the resetting did not work. I almost gave up but then I made contact with Mike/Gurn some time ago and he encouraged me to wait some more time. Now hopefully, everything will be in working order again...

Jo! Delighted things finally worked out for you. When the forum appeared to be back to normal, I thought perhaps you merely elected to stay away for reasons of your own. I didn't realize that one piece (password reset) was still not working. Super!  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 26, 2018, 08:53:31 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on September 26, 2018, 05:21:51 PM
Wait? I thought you were a missing member, Florestan!

I was, indeed, for 24 hours.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on September 26, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on September 26, 2018, 05:28:31 PM
Jo! Delighted things finally worked out for you. When the forum appeared to be back to normal, I thought perhaps you merely elected to stay away for reasons of your own. I didn't realize that one piece (password reset) was still not working. Super!  :)

Let's say it was a combination of several frustrating factors: The forum being only intermittently accessible even as a mere passive reader, the nagging feeling to remain a passive reader when a certain discussion screamed for my important contributions ;), so I skipped the reading as well, a hot summer with better spare time entertainment than sitting in front of a computer (or a stereo) and so on. If I had not come to the idea of contacting you via the Haydn page, I might have called it quits.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on September 26, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 26, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
Let's say it was a combination of several frustrating factors: The forum being only intermittently accessible even as a mere passive reader, the nagging feeling to remain a passive reader when a certain discussion screamed for my important contributions ;), so I skipped the reading as well, a hot summer with better spare time entertainment than sitting in front of a computer (or a stereo) and so on. If I had not come to the idea of contacting you via the Haydn page, I might have called it quits.

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on September 27, 2018, 12:17:37 AM
I too am glad to see you back, Jo!   :-[
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on September 27, 2018, 04:36:39 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 26, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
Let's say it was a combination of several frustrating factors: The forum being only intermittently accessible even as a mere passive reader, the nagging feeling to remain a passive reader when a certain discussion screamed for my important contributions ;), so I skipped the reading as well, a hot summer with better spare time entertainment than sitting in front of a computer (or a stereo) and so on. If I had not come to the idea of contacting you via the Haydn page, I might have called it quits.

As if Haydn needed any further proof of his lasting value... ;)  :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 27, 2018, 04:42:07 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on September 27, 2018, 04:36:39 AM
As if Haydn needed any further proof of his lasting value... ;)  :D

Hah!  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 14, 2018, 07:43:44 AM
Oh dear, another hellacious hurricane went through Georgia, and MI is missing. He unfriended me on facebook, so no information there. I hope he came trough unscathed. I recall that last hurricane his house was damaged.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on October 14, 2018, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 14, 2018, 07:43:44 AM
Oh dear, another hellacious hurricane went through Georgia, and MI is missing. He unfriended me on facebook, so no information there. I hope he came trough unscathed. I recall that last hurricane his house was damaged.

I had a look on FB to see, however, seemingly, I also am out in the cold. I hope he is OK.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 14, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
He seems to have unfriended everyone on FB.
But he changed his FB cover photo yesterday so presumably this new storm did no major damage.
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100021897814014&fref=nf
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 15, 2018, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: JBS on October 14, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
He seems to have unfriended everyone on FB.
But he changed his FB cover photo yesterday so presumably this new storm did no major damage.
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100021897814014&fref=nf

You take for granted that he wouldn't be changing his profile picture from a FEMA tent somewhere?   >:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2018, 06:58:19 PM
Thanks to those who are concerned, but I'm in the midst of dismantling my Facebook and just getting rid of it for good. If I unfriended you, it's because I honestly wanted nothing to do with GMG for awhile and, in the process, I became frustrated and so I started deleting my GMG friends (among others as well). As for Hurricane Michael (err...Tropical Storm Michael), thankfully we got through it unscathed. A good bit of rain and some wind is all we received, so I'm quite thankful for this, although we were much better equipped for it this time around as we had around 9-10 trees cut down following the aftermath of Hurricane Irma. Anyway, I'm alive (for now) and hopefully I'll feel the urge to post more often.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 15, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 15, 2018, 06:58:19 PM
Thanks to those who are concerned, but I'm in the midst of dismantling my Facebook and just getting rid of it for good. If I unfriended you, it's because I honestly wanted nothing to do with GMG for awhile and, in the process, I became frustrated and so I started deleting my GMG friends (among others as well). As for Hurricane Michael (err...Tropical Storm Michael), thankfully we got through it unscathed. A good bit of rain and some wind is all we received, so I'm quite thankful for this, although we were much better equipped for it this time around as we had around 9-10 trees cut down following the aftermath of Hurricane Irma. Anyway, I'm alive (for now) and hopefully I'll feel the urge to post more often.
Good to hear. As long as you are okay and still listening to music!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2018, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: Ken B on October 15, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
Good to hear. As long as you are okay and still listening to music!

Thanks, Ken. 8) Oh yes, I'm definitely still listening to music. I took quite a break from classical music, but it seems I've been bitten by the bug yet again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 16, 2018, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 15, 2018, 06:58:19 PM
Thanks to those who are concerned, but I'm in the midst of dismantling my Facebook and just getting rid of it for good. If I unfriended you, it's because I honestly wanted nothing to do with GMG for awhile and, in the process, I became frustrated and so I started deleting my GMG friends (among others as well). As for Hurricane Michael (err...Tropical Storm Michael), thankfully we got through it unscathed. A good bit of rain and some wind is all we received, so I'm quite thankful for this, although we were much better equipped for it this time around as we had around 9-10 trees cut down following the aftermath of Hurricane Irma. Anyway, I'm alive (for now) and hopefully I'll feel the urge to post more often.
Very pleased to see you back here John and all strength to you in whatever is going on in your life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on October 26, 2018, 08:35:07 PM
Bogey - he had an enthusiasm for music and cinema (without talking uninformed BS about cinematography) and boxing and other cool stuff. Wherever he is/whatever he's doing, I hope he's well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 26, 2018, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: NikF on October 26, 2018, 08:35:07 PM
Bogey - he had an enthusiasm for music and cinema (without talking uninformed BS about cinematography) and boxing and other cool stuff. Wherever he is/whatever he's doing, I hope he's well.
And an interest in all things 1950s.
I hope he comes Bac .... all
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF on October 26, 2018, 09:11:03 PM
Quote from: Ken B on October 26, 2018, 08:41:13 PM
And an interest in all things 1950s.
I hope he comes Bac .... all


*proverbial polite round of golf applause*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2018, 05:45:31 AM
Quote from: NikF on October 26, 2018, 08:35:07 PM
Bogey - he had an enthusiasm for music and cinema (without talking uninformed BS about cinematography) and boxing and other cool stuff. Wherever he is/whatever he's doing, I hope he's well.
+1
I miss his contributions too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 31, 2018, 03:48:32 PM
I decided to go missing from Twitter: deactivated my account just now after deciding it was of no benefit beyond wasting my time arguing in 140 character bursts with total strangers.  Anyone I actually wanted to keep in touch with there I can do so on Facebook and/or here.

So if you wonder why I disappeared there, that's why.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 31, 2018, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: JBS on October 31, 2018, 03:48:32 PM
I decided to go missing from Twitter: deactivated my account just now after deciding it was of no benefit beyond wasting my time arguing in 140 character bursts with total strangers.  Anyone I actually wanted to keep in touch with there I can do so on Facebook and/or here.

So if you wonder why I disappeared there, that's why.

Pity, I found a lot of your retweets kept me informed about a sector I rarely get to see elsewise. But I understand your need to decompress, it's a bit much betimes... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 31, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 31, 2018, 04:27:37 PM
Pity, I found a lot of your retweets kept me informed about a sector I rarely get to see elsewise. But I understand your need to decompress, it's a bit much betimes... :-\

8)


I do have 30 days to change my mind....and of course after that I can simply start all over.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 31, 2018, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: JBS on October 31, 2018, 04:32:57 PM

I do have 30 days to change my mind....and of course after that I can simply start all over.

Indeed you do. Which is why I rarely bemoan members leaving, there or here. They can always come back.

I DO miss our Bogey, though... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 31, 2018, 07:22:54 PM
I never quite figured out what Twitter is for.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 01, 2018, 12:57:09 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 31, 2018, 05:38:36 PM
Indeed you do. Which is why I rarely bemoan members leaving, there or here. They can always come back.

I DO miss our Bogey, though... :-\

8)

I left him vx-mail the other day, will follow up this morning.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 01, 2018, 04:19:07 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 31, 2018, 07:22:54 PM
I never quite figured out what Twitter is for.

Many things are much better in small doses... :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 01, 2018, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on October 31, 2018, 07:22:54 PM
I never quite figured out what Twitter is for.
Twitter was created by aliens to allow the idiots to self-identify. This will helps when culling the herd.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on November 07, 2018, 08:49:23 PM
Seems like it's been quite a while since I've seen a post from Mahlerian, although the member list says he's been "active" recently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 08, 2018, 12:16:18 AM
He's busy in grad school.  I should ping him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on November 08, 2018, 05:44:04 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 08, 2018, 12:16:18 AM
He's busy in grad school.  I should ping him.

Not a Karajan listening binge?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 08, 2018, 06:54:26 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on November 08, 2018, 05:44:04 AM
Not a Karajan listening binge?
That would be atonal.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on November 28, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
Since when is kyjo's account deleted? Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 28, 2018, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on November 28, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
Since when is kyjo's account deleted? Did I miss something?
It's still there. Active within the past week.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on November 28, 2018, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: Ken B on November 28, 2018, 04:31:51 PM
It's still there. Active within the past week.

Saw the username listed as guest in an old post. I guess he deleted and re-registered at some point.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on December 02, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Where is Snyprrrrrr?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 02, 2018, 01:47:21 AM
Where is zamyrabyrd?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: schnittkease on December 02, 2018, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 02, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Where is Snyprrrrrr?

Last I heard, the mods were monitoring his every post after some (particularly) xenophobic comments. I guess he deleted his account somewhere along the way.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: zamyrabyrd on December 06, 2018, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: Florestan on December 02, 2018, 01:47:21 AM
Where is zamyrabyrd?

Thanks for asking about me. Indeed, I was away for a spell, was shocked to hear what happened to Karl meanwhile.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on December 06, 2018, 09:15:26 AM
What has happened to Karl?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 06, 2018, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on December 06, 2018, 09:15:26 AM
What has happened to Karl?

Had a stroke two weeks ago. Go to Henning's Headquarters thread for details.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 18, 2018, 01:17:28 PM
I miss Mirror Image's contributions.
:(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on December 18, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on December 18, 2018, 01:17:28 PM
I miss Mirror Image's contributions.
:(

Hopefully he'll be back soon. I miss him too. He is a genuine, truthful fellow.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on December 21, 2018, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on November 28, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
Since when is kyjo's account deleted? Did I miss something?

You must've seen a post from my old account (under the same name), which was active 5 or so years ago and which I deleted. I'm still here.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on December 21, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on December 18, 2018, 01:17:28 PM
I miss Mirror Image's contributions.
:(

Me too  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 28, 2018, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: André on December 18, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
Hopefully he'll be back soon. I miss him too. He is a genuine, truthful fellow.
I agree.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 01, 2019, 10:17:38 AM
Mirror Image wrote to me today, and said he hopes to return: he is listening to Jazz at the moment.

I was recalling two members from long ago: who recalls PINK HARP ?   :D

For those who do not, he or she was absolutely obsessed by Debussy's opera Pelleas et Melisande, and most of the time made comments which invariably led to mentioning how wonderful that particular work was!

Another was S A U L who was similarly obsessed by THE WORLD'S GREATEST COMPOSER...

Mendelssohn!  Music, in his august opinion, which, in his august opinion, was always correct, had not progressed beyond Mendelssohn, and so he pooh-poohed most composers post-1850...

Except for  S A U L himself, who composed some rather simplistic pieces, possibly with the help of "YOU CAN BE A COMPOSER" computer program.   Maybe he has improved since then: ten years or so have gone by, maybe more!  He was from Georgia (the one in Europe) and undoubtedly meant very well.  I do not recall his last name: it resembled Stalin's real name (Dzugashvili) but was different!  0:)

Anyway, both left the forum for various reasons.  S A U L   (I think) felt his works were not properly appreciated here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 01, 2019, 10:29:04 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 01, 2019, 10:17:38 AM
Mirror Image wrote to me today, and said he hopes to return: he is listening to Jazz at the moment.

I was recalling two members from long ago: who recalls PINK HARP ?   :D

For those who do not, he or she was absolutely obsessed by Debussy's opera Pelleas et Melisande, and most of the time made comments which invariably led to mentioning how wonderful that particular work was!

Another was S A U L who was similarly obsessed by THE WORLD'S GREATEST COMPOSER...

Mendelssohn!  Music, in his august opinion, which, in his august opinion, was always correct, had not progressed beyond Mendelssohn, and so he pooh-poohed most composers post-1850...

Except for  S A U L himself, who composed some rather simplistic pieces, possibly with the help of "YOU CAN BE A COMPOSER" computer program.   Maybe he has improved since then: ten years or so have gone by, maybe more!  He was from Georgia (the one in Europe) and undoubtedly meant very well.  I do not recall his last name: it resembled Stalin's real name (Dzugashvili) but was different!  0:)

Anyway, both left the forum for various reasons.  S A U L   (I think) felt his works were not properly appreciated here.

Oh yes, Pink Harp and the one and only Saul Dzorelashvili, who had actually two obsessions: Mendelssohn as the greatest composer and Jews as the greatest people.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 01, 2019, 10:34:09 AM
Nordogen?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on January 01, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: Cato on January 01, 2019, 10:17:38 AM
Mirror Image wrote to me today, and said he hopes to return: he is listening to Jazz at the moment.

I was recalling two members from long ago: who recalls PINK HARP ?   :D

For those who do not, he or she was absolutely obsessed by Debussy's opera Pelleas et Melisande, and most of the time made comments which invariably led to mentioning how wonderful that particular work was!

Another was S A U L who was similarly obsessed by THE WORLD'S GREATEST COMPOSER...

Mendelssohn!  Music, in his august opinion, which, in his august opinion, was always correct, had not progressed beyond Mendelssohn, and so he pooh-poohed most composers post-1850...

Except for  S A U L himself, who composed some rather simplistic pieces, possibly with the help of "YOU CAN BE A COMPOSER" computer program.   Maybe he has improved since then: ten years or so have gone by, maybe more!  He was from Georgia (the one in Europe) and undoubtedly meant very well.  I do not recall his last name: it resembled Stalin's real name (Dzugashvili) but was different!  0:)

Anyway, both left the forum for various reasons.  S A U L   (I think) felt his works were not properly appreciated here.

John (MI) actually posted in WAYLT yesterday...a Malipiero symphony.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on January 01, 2019, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 01, 2019, 10:34:09 AM
Nordogen?

I think nodogen missed the high-drama knives-out atmosphere of TC
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on January 13, 2019, 08:23:35 AM
I thought some here might want to know that John Brosseau has died on January 5 of this year. I think he may have been a participant on this site in the distant past, and he was a participant on another classical music discussion board that some here are or have been members of (member jbuck919).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: greg on January 13, 2019, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 01, 2019, 10:17:38 AM
Mirror Image wrote to me today, and said he hopes to return: he is listening to Jazz at the moment.

I was recalling two members from long ago: who recalls PINK HARP ?   :D

For those who do not, he or she was absolutely obsessed by Debussy's opera Pelleas et Melisande, and most of the time made comments which invariably led to mentioning how wonderful that particular work was!

Another was S A U L who was similarly obsessed by THE WORLD'S GREATEST COMPOSER...

Mendelssohn!  Music, in his august opinion, which, in his august opinion, was always correct, had not progressed beyond Mendelssohn, and so he pooh-poohed most composers post-1850...

Except for  S A U L himself, who composed some rather simplistic pieces, possibly with the help of "YOU CAN BE A COMPOSER" computer program.   Maybe he has improved since then: ten years or so have gone by, maybe more!  He was from Georgia (the one in Europe) and undoubtedly meant very well.  I do not recall his last name: it resembled Stalin's real name (Dzugashvili) but was different!  0:)

Anyway, both left the forum for various reasons.  S A U L   (I think) felt his works were not properly appreciated here.
The good old days lol...
also can't forget Sean, M Forever, and um... Rob Newman...  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on January 13, 2019, 08:32:08 AM
I remember jbuck. We exchanged pms in those days. Very sad. :(


..........................................

Apart from a salute to Karl early in the year, it's been weeks/months since Sergeant Rock has posted in the music threads. What's going on ?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on January 13, 2019, 08:53:42 AM
Quote from: André on January 13, 2019, 08:32:08 AMApart from a salute to Karl early in the year, it's been weeks/months since Sergeant Rock has posted in the music threads. What's going on ?

He has been on hiatus in the past, I trust that is the situation again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 13, 2019, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on January 13, 2019, 08:23:35 AM
I thought some here might want to know that John Brosseau has died on January 5 of this year. I think he may have been a participant on this site in the distant past, and he was a participant on another classical music discussion board that some here are or have been members of (member jbuck919).

Very sorry tol to learn this, John visited with me in Boston a few years ago
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: André on January 13, 2019, 08:32:08 AM
Apart from a salute to Karl early in the year, it's been weeks/months since Sergeant Rock has posted in the music threads. What's going on ?

That's a good question. I have listened to little music in the last few months and I'm not sure why. But I do check in daily to keep up with the group.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 13, 2019, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on January 13, 2019, 08:23:35 AM
I thought some here might want to know that John Brosseau has died on January 5 of this year. I think he may have been a participant on this site in the distant past, and he was a participant on another classical music discussion board that some here are or have been members of (member jbuck919).

Very sad to hear that. John and I had many conversations, some public, most via PM. He was a smart guy, as well as a smartass, just the sort of person I enjoy. I tried hard to talk him out of leaving when he did, hate not getting a chance to try again. :'(

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 13, 2019, 02:39:52 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
That's a good question. I have listened to little music in the last few months and I'm not sure why. But I do check in daily to keep up with the group.

Sarge

Sarge!  Many thanks for replying!!!

Have you checked one of the latest raves here?  Lyatoshynsky?  Also, have you heard the original version of the Rachmaninov Fourth Piano Concerto?  Perhaps those will get you back in the mood?    8)

Many thanks also for listening to my little trio New Year's Resolution !   0:)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 13, 2019, 04:08:16 PM
Good to see you're still kicking around here, Sarge!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on January 13, 2019, 04:31:20 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 13, 2019, 04:08:16 PM
Good to see you're still kicking around here, Sarge!

+1  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: shirime on January 13, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
Quote from: greg on January 13, 2019, 08:31:01 AM
Rob Newman...  :P

Mozart is FAKE a CONSPIRACY THEORY and in fact all his compositions were written by CF ABEL, RICHTER, CANNABICH etc etc etc.........

that Rob Newman? :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on January 14, 2019, 12:57:15 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
That's a good question. I have listened to little music in the last few months and I'm not sure why. But I do check in daily to keep up with the group.

Sarge

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 14, 2019, 03:31:15 AM
Quote from: shirime on January 13, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
Mozart is FAKE a CONSPIRACY THEORY and in fact all his compositions were written by CF ABEL, RICHTER, CANNABICH etc etc etc.........

that Rob Newman? :laugh:
Yes.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on January 14, 2019, 03:33:17 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
That's a good question. I have listened to little music in the last few months and I'm not sure why. But I do check in daily to keep up with the group.

Sarge
Well, there is always the what are you eating thread, if you're not on hunger strike.   ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on January 14, 2019, 03:58:48 AM
Quote from: shirime on January 13, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
Mozart is FAKE a CONSPIRACY THEORY and in fact all his compositions were written by CF ABEL, RICHTER, CANNABICH etc etc etc.........

that Rob Newman? :laugh:

Oy!  I had almost forgotten about him!   8)    I kept pinching myself while reading his "schizophraniac" pronouncements and thinking: "He cannot be serious!"

But apparently...he was! 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 14, 2019, 06:19:30 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 13, 2019, 02:39:52 PM
Many thanks also for listening to my little trio New Year's Resolution !   0:)

It's on my desktop. I've listened to it several times with much pleasure.

Quote from: North Star on January 14, 2019, 03:33:17 AM
Well, there is always the what are you eating thread, if you're not on hunger strike.   ;D

;D :D ;D

Actually I almost posted in that thread last night. I'd made, for the first time, Puerto Rican Pernil pork tenderloin.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on January 15, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 14, 2019, 06:19:30 AM
It's on my desktop. I've listened to it several times with much pleasure.

;D :D ;D

Actually I almost posted in that thread last night. I'd made, for the first time, Puerto Rican Pernil pork tenderloin.

Sarge

Green chorizo sausage. Apparently it is made with spinach powder! Vivid green anyway.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on January 19, 2019, 01:55:18 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on January 13, 2019, 08:23:35 AM
I thought some here might want to know that John Brosseau has died on January 5 of this year. I think he may have been a participant on this site in the distant past, and he was a participant on another classical music discussion board that some here are or have been members of (member jbuck919).

That's very sad to hear. I had some friendly musical conversations with him on CMG. May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 04, 2019, 08:53:16 PM
Has anyone seen Dancing Divertimentian lately? I miss him a lot. He's a hell of a nice guy and has shown me nothing but patience and kindness. He and I also share a lot of the same musical interests, so that's also a nice little bonus. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on February 04, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 04, 2019, 08:53:16 PM
Has anyone seen Dancing Divertimentian lately? I miss him a lot. He's a hell of a nice guy and has shown me nothing but patience and kindness. He and I also share a lot of the same musical interests, so that's also a nice little bonus. 8)

I looked at his profile. He hasn't posted since November, but he was "active" today (lurking?). Just not paying attention to music these days, perhaps.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 04, 2019, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on February 04, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
I looked at his profile. He hasn't posted since November, but he was "active" today (lurking?). Just not paying attention to music these days, perhaps.

I believe the lurking part, but have trouble believing the not paying attention to music part. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on February 05, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
I've been pretty scarce around these parts lately myself (though I'm sure I'm not enough of a veteran - or a contrarian ;) - to have been missed), but I have to say I'm glad to see M.I. back. I knew it would happen eventually, and I'm glad it finally has. :)

Yeah, and where is Dancing Divertimentian?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 05, 2019, 07:07:48 PM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on February 05, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
I've been pretty scarce around these parts lately myself (though I'm sure I'm not enough of a veteran - or a contrarian ;) - to have been missed), but I have to say I'm glad to see M.I. back. I knew it would happen eventually, and I'm glad it finally has. :)

Yeah, and where is Dancing Divertimentian?

Thank you very much, Alex! It's great to see you, too. Yep, you can't stray very far once classical music has become ingrained in your mind and soul. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 06, 2019, 06:12:19 AM
Dancing Divertimentian lives a few miles away and met me in person one time (I was buying a couple CDs). Maybe I should throw a paper airplane in his direction...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 06, 2019, 06:23:33 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 06, 2019, 06:12:19 AM
Dancing Divertimentian lives a few miles away and met me in person one time (I was buying a couple CDs). Maybe I should throw a paper airplane in his direction...

That would be cool. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on February 22, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
Has anyone heard from Zamyrabird recently?  Her profile shows her to have last visited GMG on Feb 7.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 22, 2019, 02:47:54 PM
Quote from: JBS on February 22, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
Has anyone heard from Zamyrabird recently?  Her profile shows her to have last visited GMG on Feb 7.

I'll reach out
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 25, 2019, 01:29:30 PM
I still really miss Dancing Divertimentian. He's my Debussy buddy (along with Rafael).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 02, 2019, 07:52:42 AM
Anyone know what happened to Peter (Moonfish)?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 05, 2019, 12:23:41 PM
Aligreto seems to have gone a bit quiet. I enjoy his contributions and our communications. Hope all is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Irons on March 05, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 05, 2019, 12:23:41 PM
Aligreto seems to have gone a bit quiet. I enjoy his contributions and our communications. Hope all is ok.

Likewise. He came over as a nice chap, and as a fellow enthusiast of the LP record it's a bit lonely with him not being around.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on March 05, 2019, 01:23:41 PM
GORDO has also been missing for some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on March 05, 2019, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 05, 2019, 12:23:41 PM
Aligreto seems to have gone a bit quiet. I enjoy his contributions and our communications. Hope all is ok.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 05, 2019, 02:19:35 PM
Quote from: Irons on March 05, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
Likewise. He came over as a nice chap, and as a fellow enthusiast of the LP record it's a bit lonely with him not being around.
+1 hope he returns soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on March 07, 2019, 03:11:06 AM
aligreto is a good guy and good contributor and I'll always be grateful for his patience when trying to help me listen to Bruckner.
I've mentioned before the fact that Bogey is missed - and not just because he once gave a great plaudit to one of my photos when usually I don't give a sh*t about such matters. ;D
James - it seemed that going with the flow (or at least being seen to do so) was of little concern to him. A rare quality.
Spineur appears to have left the forum but was an interesting poster. I remember him using the term 'grazing incidence' when discussing an artwork and immediately thinking 'He understands how to look at stuff and therefore knows where it's at'.  8)

Anyway, I hope they're all happy and healthy. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 07, 2019, 01:27:47 PM
Quote from: NikF4 on March 07, 2019, 03:11:06 AM
aligreto is a good guy and good contributor and I'll always be grateful for his patience when trying to help me listen to Bruckner.
I've mentioned before the fact that Bogey is missed - and not just because he once gave a great plaudit to one of my photos when usually I don't give a sh*t about such matters. ;D
James - it seemed that going with the flow (or at least being seen to do so) was of little concern to him. A rare quality.
Spineur appears to have left the forum but was an interesting poster. I remember him using the term 'grazing incidence' when discussing an artwork and immediately thinking 'He understands how to look at stuff and therefore knows where it's at'.  8)

Anyway, I hope they're all happy and healthy. :)
+1 from me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on March 08, 2019, 12:04:06 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on March 07, 2019, 03:11:06 AM
aligreto is a good guy and good contributor and I'll always be grateful for his patience when trying to help me listen to Bruckner.
I've mentioned before the fact that Bogey is missed - and not just because he once gave a great plaudit to one of my photos when usually I don't give a sh*t about such matters. ;D
James - it seemed that going with the flow (or at least being seen to do so) was of little concern to him. A rare quality.
Spineur appears to have left the forum but was an interesting poster. I remember him using the term 'grazing incidence' when discussing an artwork and immediately thinking 'He understands how to look at stuff and therefore knows where it's at'.  8)

Anyway, I hope they're all happy and healthy. :)
+ me, am missing all three.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Musician on March 19, 2019, 02:50:45 AM
I have not been here for a few yeas because I had nothing to post and then I forgot I was even a member here.  I found this site again by accident googling Dawn Upshaw not that I am a fan anymore but I was curious what she was up to now
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 19, 2019, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: Musician on March 19, 2019, 02:50:45 AM
I have not been here for a few yeas because I had nothing to post and then I forgot I was even a member here.  I found this site again by accident googling Dawn Upshaw not that I am a fan anymore but I was curious what she was up to now

I still think Upshaw is one of the greatest voices in classical music. I wish she had done more Debussy and Ravel, though. It'd be quite interesting to hear her in Ravel's Chansons madécasses for example. I'm also rather salivating at the thought of her in Szymanowski's King Roger or his Litany to the Virgin Mary.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 19, 2019, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: Musician on March 19, 2019, 02:50:45 AM
I have not been here for a few yeas because I had nothing to post and then I forgot I was even a member here.  I found this site again by accident googling Dawn Upshaw not that I am a fan anymore but I was curious what she was up to now
Good to see you back here anyway.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 19, 2019, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Musician on March 19, 2019, 02:50:45 AM
I have not been here for a few yeas because I had nothing to post and then I forgot I was even a member here.  I found this site again by accident googling Dawn Upshaw not that I am a fan anymore but I was curious what she was up to now

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Musician on March 19, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
Thanks.   Nowadays I post on the ABRSM forum.  I now play the flute or rather am learning
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 19, 2019, 04:38:55 PM
Quote from: Musician on March 19, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
Thanks.   Nowadays I post on the ABRSM forum.  I now play the flute or rather am learning

Cool, I just finished a piece for flute, viola & harp
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 27, 2019, 03:53:38 AM
Whatever happened to Elgarian Redux? He made a brief reappearance and then fell into complete silence again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 29, 2019, 06:57:36 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 27, 2019, 03:53:38 AM
Whatever happened to Elgarian Redux? He made a brief reappearance and then fell into complete silence again.

Good question. He just vanished --- like vapor.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on March 29, 2019, 07:51:06 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 27, 2019, 03:53:38 AM
Whatever happened to Elgarian Redux? He made a brief reappearance and then fell into complete silence again.

It would be wonderful if he returned, but he has always been an on-again, off-again poster. When he does visit he is one of the most insightful participants. I hope he is doing well and will visit again soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on April 07, 2019, 01:45:29 AM
Actually I do look in occasionally, but for a while I don't seem to have had anything to say. I've been less active in recent months because both my wife and I have been ill, but also I haven't been listening to classical music at all recently. Not even Elgar. I have no idea why this is.

During these difficult times, I have found Red Dead Redemption II to be an escapist godsend. I wonder if there's a games section on GMG. I shall investigate.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on April 07, 2019, 06:14:09 AM
All the best to you both!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 07, 2019, 06:53:54 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on April 07, 2019, 01:45:29 AM
Actually I do look in occasionally, but for a while I don't seem to have had anything to say. I've been less active in recent months because both my wife and I have been ill, but also I haven't been listening to classical music at all recently. Not even Elgar. I have no idea why this is.

During these difficult times, I have found Red Dead Redemption II to be an escapist godsend. I wonder if there's a games section on GMG. I shall investigate.

Sorry to hear of both you and your wife's illnesses. I hope you both get better. As for not listening to classical music for awhile, I can certainly relate as, popular to contrary belief, I have other musical interests besides classical music. I'm actually starting to get the itch again to start exploring another genre. As for gaming, I have phases where I'll play a game (esp. if it's one I like a lot) for awhile only to turn around and not play for weeks at a time. I have a Nintendo Switch and haven't upgraded my Playstation 3 to the 4 yet, but I'm actually considering it because of all the great games that are exclusive to this system. The problem with buying one now is I'm afraid it'll become obsolete not long after I buy it. :)

As for a gaming thread, here you go: https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,16297.0.html (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,16297.0.html)

P.S. It's good to see you still kicking around here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on April 07, 2019, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on April 07, 2019, 01:45:29 AM
Actually I do look in occasionally, but for a while I don't seem to have had anything to say. I've been less active in recent months because both my wife and I have been ill, but also I haven't been listening to classical music at all recently. Not even Elgar. I have no idea why this is.

During these difficult times, I have found Red Dead Redemption II to be an escapist godsend. I wonder if there's a games section on GMG. I shall investigate.

Good to see you back, even if just to explain your absence. I hope illness is behind you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 07, 2019, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: The new erato on April 07, 2019, 06:14:09 AM
All the best to you both!

From me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 07, 2019, 10:46:14 PM
How is Harry?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 08, 2019, 05:39:49 AM
I was wondering about Harry too. Hope all is ok with him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 08, 2019, 06:16:53 AM
He was last active on Saturday.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: StarThrower62 on April 11, 2019, 08:35:09 AM
I've still got both arms and legs!  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 12, 2019, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: StarThrower62 on April 11, 2019, 08:35:09 AM
I've still got both arms and legs!  :D

Your screen name looks familiar. Would you perhaps be from Talk Classical?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 13, 2019, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 07, 2019, 09:46:02 AM
From me too.

And from me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: some guy on April 14, 2019, 01:06:53 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on March 29, 2019, 07:51:06 AM
When he does visit he is one of the most insightful participants.
Indeed.

And it is more than splendid to see him posting recently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 15, 2019, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 05, 2019, 12:23:41 PM
Aligreto seems to have gone a bit quiet. I enjoy his contributions and our communications. Hope all is ok.

Thank you for your kind words and yes, all is OK, thankfully.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 15, 2019, 11:38:04 AM
Quote from: Irons on March 05, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
Likewise. He came over as a nice chap, and as a fellow enthusiast of the LP record it's a bit lonely with him not being around.

I have returned to offer you my unequivocal support as a fellow vinyl lover  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 15, 2019, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on March 07, 2019, 03:11:06 AM
aligreto: I'll always be grateful for his patience when trying to help me listen to Bruckner.


I do remember the correspondence all right but I do not remember it as being anything of a chore on my part. You were receptive and I hope that you benefited from any small help that I may have offered.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 15, 2019, 11:42:04 AM
Quote from: Christo on March 05, 2019, 01:46:43 PM
+1

Thank you for the thought Christo.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 15, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: aligreto on April 15, 2019, 11:36:03 AM
Thank you for your kind words and yes, all is OK, thankfully.

Great to see you back here.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 15, 2019, 02:34:33 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 15, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
Great to see you back here.
:)

+ 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Irons on April 15, 2019, 11:03:44 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 15, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
Great to see you back here.
:)

+2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on April 16, 2019, 07:51:08 AM
Quote from: Irons on April 15, 2019, 11:03:44 PM
+2

+3
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on April 16, 2019, 08:06:22 AM
+4
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on April 16, 2019, 09:51:47 AM
Rename to the adding machine thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 16, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
Thank you guys. Much appreciated and good to be back among friends  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2019, 12:00:19 PM
Quote from: aligreto on April 16, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
Thank you guys. Much appreciated and good to be back among friends  8)

I'm late to the party but still... welcome back from me too.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 16, 2019, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 16, 2019, 12:00:19 PM
I'm late to the party but still... welcome back from me too.  :)

Thank you, kind sir.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 16, 2019, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: aligreto on April 15, 2019, 11:36:03 AM
Thank you for your kind words and yes, all is OK, thankfully.
Very good.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 17, 2019, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 16, 2019, 01:08:17 PM
Very good.

Let us not forget the inspiration that is you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jaakko Keskinen on April 18, 2019, 07:02:36 AM
Welcome back, Aligreto!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 18, 2019, 08:34:01 AM
Thank you Miss Piggy  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 19, 2019, 05:15:48 AM
Quote from: aligreto on April 18, 2019, 08:34:01 AM
Thank you Miss Piggy  8)

Smile when you call him that 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 19, 2019, 08:08:24 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 19, 2019, 05:15:48 AM

Smile when you call him that 8)

Thank you Miss Piggy  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 03, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
I haven't seen NikF in awhile. I hope he's doing okay. Hopefully, he'll be back soon. I still, also, lament Dancing Divertimentian. I hope he returns at some point.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 03, 2019, 01:22:03 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 03, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
I haven't seen NikF in awhile. I hope he's doing okay. Hopefully, he'll be back soon. I still, also, lament Dancing Divertimentian. I hope he returns at some point.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on May 04, 2019, 03:05:05 AM
NikF occasionally takes time out to do his thing. I am sure that he will return at some point.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on May 04, 2019, 05:48:59 AM
Where is Draško ?  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on May 05, 2019, 02:53:57 PM
Quote from: Musician on March 19, 2019, 02:50:45 AM
I have not been here for a few yeas because I had nothing to post and then I forgot I was even a member here.  I found this site again by accident googling Dawn Upshaw not that I am a fan anymore but I was curious what she was up to now

Well, welcome back, Musician! Are you in fact a musician. and if so, what do you play?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on May 05, 2019, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: aligreto on May 04, 2019, 03:05:05 AM
NikF occasionally takes time out to do his thing. I am sure that he will return at some point.

He dropped by a while ago, I'm sure he wil be back again.  :)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on May 05, 2019, 10:34:24 PM
Occasionally we do forget that most people here (not necessarily everyone) do have a life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 15, 2019, 02:33:51 AM
I'm not much around on GMG either (apparently I have a life ;)), but I noticed that Traverso recently deleted his account. That's a pity. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on May 15, 2019, 02:48:13 AM
Quote from: Marc on May 15, 2019, 02:33:51 AM
I'm not much around on GMG either (apparently I have a life ;)), but I noticed that Traverso recently deleted his account. That's a pity. :(

I was already wondering about his inactivity. Well over the many years I have been on GMG, many took the same road out, and eventually came back after a while. Lets hope our Dutch friend does the same. I know he lives in Groningen, but have no clue where, otherwise I might ask him why he left,
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 15, 2019, 02:53:03 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on May 15, 2019, 02:48:13 AM
I was already wondering about his inactivity. Well over the many years I have been on GMG, many took the same road out, and eventually came back after a while. Lets hope our Dutch friend does the same. I know he lives in Groningen, but have no clue where, otherwise I might ask him why he left,

Well, of course it doesn't matter where one lives in Groningen. It's The City of Cities anyway. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on May 15, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
Quote from: Marc on May 15, 2019, 02:33:51 AM
I'm not much around on GMG either (apparently I have a life ;)), but I noticed that Traverso recently deleted his account. That's a pity. :(

I did notice his inactivity but I had not realized that he had deleted his account. That is a shame and I will miss him. I do hope that he and his family are all well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on May 15, 2019, 08:03:47 AM
Traverso was a congenial, wise and knowledgeable presence. The last person you would want to see go.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 15, 2019, 12:41:31 PM
Wow...Traverso is gone?!?!? Unfathomable and a real pity. I enjoyed his contributions a lot. He and I shared a commonality amongst composers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 17, 2019, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: aligreto on May 15, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
I did notice his inactivity but I had not realized that he had deleted his account. That is a shame and I will miss him. I do hope that he and his family are all well.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on May 18, 2019, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 03, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
I haven't seen NikF in awhile. I hope he's doing okay. Hopefully, he'll be back soon. I still, also, lament Dancing Divertimentian. I hope he returns at some point.

Quote from: vandermolen on May 03, 2019, 01:22:03 PM
+1

Quote from: aligreto on May 04, 2019, 03:05:05 AM
NikF occasionally takes time out to do his thing. I am sure that he will return at some point.

Thank you, Gentlemen.
Yeah, I came back up the road on Friday to attend the Leonskaja/Brahms D minor season closer (wonderful throughout - and in the adagio full and romantic and warm but no pushover) although soon it's back to business - or as aligreto accurately identified it 'taking time out to do my thing'.
Enjoy your listening and take it easy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 18, 2019, 06:09:58 PM
Quote from: NikF4 on May 18, 2019, 04:34:47 PM
Thank you, Gentlemen.
Yeah, I came back up the road on Friday to attend the Leonskaja/Brahms D minor season closer (wonderful throughout - and in the adagio full and romantic and warm but no pushover) although soon it's back to business - or as aligreto accurately identified it 'taking time out to do my thing'.
Enjoy your listening and take it easy.

Carry on...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 18, 2019, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: NikF4 on May 18, 2019, 04:34:47 PM
Thank you, Gentlemen.
Yeah, I came back up the road on Friday to attend the Leonskaja/Brahms D minor season closer (wonderful throughout - and in the adagio full and romantic and warm but no pushover) although soon it's back to business - or as aligreto accurately identified it 'taking time out to do my thing'.
Enjoy your listening and take it easy.

Good to see you're alright, Nik. I hope things are continuing to get better for you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on May 18, 2019, 09:30:07 PM
Quote from: Marc on May 15, 2019, 02:33:51 AM
I'm not much around on GMG either (apparently I have a life ;)), but I noticed that Traverso recently deleted his account. That's a pity. :(


I hope he's well, and that no one has offended him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on May 19, 2019, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on May 18, 2019, 04:34:47 PM

Enjoy your listening and take it easy.

You too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 19, 2019, 04:19:04 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on May 18, 2019, 09:30:07 PM

I hope he's well, and that no one has offended him.

He (Traverso) has been a regular poster at TC for some years under the username Traverso. But around the time he established an account at GMG, he changed his username at TC to Bourdon. He is still posting at TC under that name, latest post to day, so I suppose he is well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 19, 2019, 05:46:03 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on May 19, 2019, 04:19:04 AM
He (Traverso) has been a regular poster at TC for some years under the username Traverso. But around the time he established an account at GMG, he changed his username at TC to Bourdon. He is still posting at TC under that name, latest post to day, so I suppose he is well.

IIRC, his posts were strictly about the music he listened to so there's little chance he could have been involved in a nasty controversy.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on May 19, 2019, 05:54:33 AM
I am happy to see, that Traverso has established a new account here at GMG.
I wish him welcome back.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 19, 2019, 06:03:44 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on May 19, 2019, 05:54:33 AM
I am happy to see, that Traverso has established a new account here at GMG.
I wish him welcome back.  :)

Oh, that's good news. Welcome back from me as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on May 19, 2019, 06:31:03 AM
I was really surprised to got a friendly message from a member of this forum,this gesture changed my mind. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on May 19, 2019, 06:52:50 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on May 19, 2019, 05:54:33 AM
I am happy to see, that Traverso has established a new account here at GMG.
I wish him welcome back.  :)

That is excellent news indeed  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 19, 2019, 07:33:35 AM
Quote from: aligreto on May 19, 2019, 06:52:50 AM
That is excellent news indeed  8)
+1 very happy to hear that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on May 19, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
Thank you all for the kind words. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on May 19, 2019, 09:48:00 AM
Glad you're back, Traverso. It's like the Hotel California. "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave."  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 19, 2019, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on May 19, 2019, 09:48:00 AM
Glad you're back, Traverso. It's like the Hotel California. "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave."  :)

So true. I thought myself about leaving several times  --- the one time I did try to leave I changed my mind almost immediately.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 19, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
Where is Pohjola's Daughter?
Not lost in Tuonela I hope.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 19, 2019, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: Traverso on May 19, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
Thank you all for the kind words. :)

Welcome back, my friend. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on May 19, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 19, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
Where is Pohjola's Daughter?
Not lost in Tuonela I hope.

I would not be too worried about Pohjola's Daughter. She will find her way back to us in time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 19, 2019, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Traverso on May 19, 2019, 06:31:03 AM
I was really surprised to got a friendly message from a member of this forum,this gesture changed my mind. :)

Excellent.

I know rhat I am never surprised by friendliness amongst GMG'ers!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on May 19, 2019, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 19, 2019, 12:58:20 PM
Excellent.

I know rhat I am never surprised by friendliness amongst GMG'ers!

(https://i.postimg.cc/ncdXtsKZ/index.png)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 19, 2019, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: aligreto on May 19, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
I would not be too worried about Pohjola's Daughter. She will find her way back to us in time.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 20, 2019, 03:01:07 AM
Quote from: Traverso on May 19, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
Thank you all for the kind words. :)

And welcome back from me, too! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: owlice on May 21, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
How long does one have to be gone to be considered missing, I wonder...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on May 21, 2019, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: owlice on May 21, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
How long does one have to be gone to be considered missing, I wonder...

After basically a 7-year break, you likely win the grand prize.

Welcome back!

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: owlice on May 21, 2019, 05:22:40 PM
hahahhahaaha!!! Thanks so much, Bruce!!

(And has it really been that long?! Wow!! Tempus fugit!!)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: owlice on May 21, 2019, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: San Antone on May 21, 2019, 05:26:21 PM
Welcome back!  What's new?

Thanks!

Mostly early retirement (woo-hoo!) and travel, which has allowed me to attend opera in Paris, hear orchestral music in Prague, visit the Sydney Opera House, and see the aurora borealis, Southern Cross, and lions and cheetahs and birds (oh my). I should have retired earlier!!!

What's new here (aside from the kind-of-disturbing emoticons)? And what's new with you?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 21, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: owlice on May 21, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
How long does one have to be gone to be considered missing, I wonder...

Hullo, Aliz!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: owlice on May 22, 2019, 12:27:03 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 21, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Hullo, Aliz!

Hallo, Karl!

Quote from: San Antone on May 21, 2019, 11:06:37 PM
Nice!  I too retired in January. But my wife and I have been renovating two houses, one to sell the other to move into - and the process has been anything but relaxing. Great to see you back around these parts. 

Congratulations on your retirement!! And oh my... one house is bad enough, but two at the same time....! Good thing you're retired, then, so you can get the renovations out of the way...?  O.O 

I've had a project in another field for some years now, so though I retired from my day job, I'm on the faculty at my state's flagship U, and the unpaid appointment has turned into a paid one. My current home will undergo some remodeling, but this will wait until I'm done being so busy doing other things (or parts of it start falling off).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2019, 07:59:20 AM
Quote from: owlice on May 22, 2019, 12:27:03 AM
Hallo, Karl!

Congratulations on your retirement!! And oh my... one house is bad enough, but two at the same time....! Good thing you're retired, then, so you can get the renovations out of the way...?  O.O 

I've had a project in another field for some years now, so though I retired from my day job, I'm on the faculty at my state's flagship U, and the unpaid appointment has turned into a paid one. My current home will undergo some remodeling, but this will wait until I'm done being so busy doing other things (or parts of it start falling off).

Masha is still doing work in Chevy Chase, if you have time to visit and say hi!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: owlice on May 22, 2019, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 22, 2019, 07:59:20 AM
Masha is still doing work in Chevy Chase, if you have time to visit and say hi!
I am heading to Boston, possibly two times, in the very near future!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 22, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: owlice on May 22, 2019, 01:56:29 PM
I am heading to Boston, possibly two times, in the very near future!

Let us know, you have my e-mail, I believe
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 23, 2019, 01:47:03 AM
Quote from: owlice on May 21, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
How long does one have to be gone to be considered missing, I wonder...

I am basically lurking, but sometimes I read a recent thread with member's names who suddenly turn into 'guest'.
As with Traverso, earlier this month.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on May 24, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: Marc on May 23, 2019, 01:47:03 AM
I am basically lurking, but sometimes I read a recent thread with member's names who suddenly turn into 'guest'.

Has there been an exchange of unpleasantries don't know about?  ::)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on May 26, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: Que on May 24, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
Has there been an exchange of unpleasantries don't know about?  ::)

Q

No, it was just an explanation how I found out so 'quickly' that traverso had (temporarily) left.
(In reaction to owlice's question.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on June 11, 2019, 06:10:30 PM
Baron Scarpia seems to have de-membered himself!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on June 11, 2019, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: JBS on June 11, 2019, 06:10:30 PM
Baron Scarpia seems to have de-membered himself!

What?! Send out the GMG goon squad and drag him back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on June 11, 2019, 06:41:07 PM
He may have decided to go into wallet protection mode
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21529.msg1220596.html#msg1220596
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on June 11, 2019, 08:21:18 PM
He's abandoned us for a different forum...again. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 11, 2019, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 11, 2019, 08:21:18 PM
He's abandoned us for a different forum...again.

There is a forum better than ours?? ???

Q :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 12, 2019, 06:11:03 AM
Dammit, Scarpia!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on June 12, 2019, 06:13:11 AM
E avanti a lui tremava tutta Roma!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 06:20:34 AM
I could be wrong, but it might be that Scarpia is the only person I regularly spoke to on this forum who has the balls to get in a boxing ring and spar with me. Also, between three minute rounds he would have the capacity to keep up the banter in the form of berating my ongoing love of Tri-X and Ektar.
I believe he'll return eventually, but if not I hope he's happy and healthy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 12, 2019, 06:33:00 AM
Honestly, I can't really blame the guy. I've become rather dissatisfied with the forum lately. I'm still going to post on occasion, but I'm definitely going to put my energies into another forum I've found that I like and has wider variety of threads. And, no, it's not just a classical music forum, but all kinds of music, which is really better for me since classical music isn't the only genre I love.

So, farewell for now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 12, 2019, 06:45:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 12, 2019, 06:33:00 AM
Honestly, I can't really blame the guy. I've become rather dissatisfied with the forum lately. I'm still going to post on occasion, but I'm definitely going to put my energies into another forum I've found that I like and has wider variety of threads. And, no, it's not just a classical music forum, but all kinds of music, which is really better for me since classical music isn't the only genre I love.

So, farewell for now.

O, dear again he's gone. What is it with all those people being dissatisfied.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 07:05:15 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on June 12, 2019, 06:45:20 AM
O, dear again he's gone. What is it with all those people being dissatisfied.

Manchildren. It's where we are now as a global society. An overinflated semsey of importance. I'm not referring to such as oor Scarpia in that way, because he has frequently spoken of time limitations. But the rest of it is BS.
Anyway, as I always say, I hope that they're happy, healthy, and at peace. But who knows exactly why anyone does anything. Speaking only for myself, I'm here (intermittently) because it improves my quality of life. And I'll always appreciate that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 12, 2019, 07:06:19 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 07:05:15 AM
Manchildren. It's where we are now as a global society. An overinflated semsey of importance. I'm not referring to such as oor Scarpia in that way, because he has frequently spoken of time limitations. But the rest of it is BS.
Anyway, as I always say, I hope that they're happy, healthy, and at peace. But who knows exactly why anyone does anything. Speaking only for myself, I'm here (intermittently) because it improves my quality of life. And I'll always appreciate that.

Cheers, mate!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 07:31:31 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 12, 2019, 07:06:19 AM
Cheers, mate!

You're welcome. But you should see the view from where I'm sitting.   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 12, 2019, 07:32:02 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 07:05:15 AM
Manchildren. It's where we are now as a global society. An over inflated sense of importance. I'm not referring to such as oor Scarpia in that way, because he has frequently spoken of time limitations. But the rest of it is BS.
Anyway, as I always say, I hope that they're happy, healthy, and at peace. But who knows exactly why anyone does anything. Speaking only for myself, I'm here (intermittently) because it improves my quality of life. And I'll always appreciate that.

And so say all of us :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 12, 2019, 08:00:11 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 07:05:15 AM
Manchildren. It's where we are now as a global society. An overinflated semsey of importance. I'm not referring to such as oor Scarpia in that way, because he has frequently spoken of time limitations. But the rest of it is BS.
Anyway, as I always say, I hope that they're happy, healthy, and at peace. But who knows exactly why anyone does anything. Speaking only for myself, I'm here (intermittently) because it improves my quality of life. And I'll always appreciate that.

I wouldn't call my leaving 'BS'. In fact, it's really been a long-time coming. I'll get to the jest of what I'm trying to say: I have found that there are certain members that roam this board that are completely free to say and act however they please without consequence. What's the point of a moderator when all they do is see only one side of the argument? A moderator much like a mediator should be able to sort out the messes and discourse that comes along, but I feel the moderators here don't do this and have taken a 'hands off' approach, which, in theory is nice, but for all practical purposes doesn't really work and will never work. A forum without some kind of order is the equivalent of a society without law. Anyway, I'm just tired of this place. I'm tired of being slammed and thrown into a blender every time I've 'touched a nerve'. I'm tired of being singled out when there's actually plenty of blame to go around and there's no accountability. It's just not a fun place to come to anymore and it doesn't improve my life whenever there are people that allow various members to go off the deep end while I'm stuck on the shallow end of the pool with no admittance to enter the other side.

So finally, I say goodbye and I wish all of you (the ones that have actually shown me nothing but kindness) the very best in your endeavors and I hope that music continues to enrich your lives as it has my own.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 12, 2019, 08:51:17 AM
Now I'm going to say some mean things about MI so he comes back to reply to them.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 08:51:55 AM
Edited by Knight because it broke various of the site rules.

I think that both of the posters involved had been advised to ignore one another's posts. That would be the wise thing to do in future as clearly neither of you can get on with one another.

Knight

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 12, 2019, 09:54:25 AM
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BBe6Ut12K10/WeeVFNS730I/AAAAAAAABoQ/ZUzsLX00WAsY1VgOj8no4ijukZjNSdDywCLcBGAs/s1600/tucker1.jpg)

0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 09:59:05 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on June 12, 2019, 09:54:25 AM
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BBe6Ut12K10/WeeVFNS730I/AAAAAAAABoQ/ZUzsLX00WAsY1VgOj8no4ijukZjNSdDywCLcBGAs/s1600/tucker1.jpg)

0:)

Got to love reaction gifs!images - the last resort of those too impotent to say what they mean. And speaking of that, your current profile photo ('Stephan Fleeting' or something) is a nice rip off of Avedon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 12, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 09:59:05 AM
Got to love reaction gifs!images - the last resort of those too impotent to say what they mean. And speaking of that, your current profile photo ('Stephan Fleeting' or something) is a nice rip off of Avedon.

Some bits of your post reminded me of Malcolm tucker. Sometimes it is that simple.

As for my profile photo, it is a picture of Raymond Goethals, a late Belgian football coach. No idea who took it. He was a grumpy ar$e (I can relate) but a fun character. Just loved that pic and have had it for years here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 10:42:53 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on June 12, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Some bits of your post reminded me of Malcolm tucker. Sometimes it is that simple.

As for my profile photo, it is a picture of Raymond Goethals, a late Belgian football coach. No idea who took it. He was a grumpy ar$e (I can relate) but a fun character. Just loved that pic and have had it for years here.

Yeah, I know who he is. I can faintly remember his team at the 1972 Euros. I was referring to the photo which is (probably an unconsciously) ironic take that's flying way over the head of amateur/Internet photographers, somewhere along the lines of such bollocks as '85mm is a good focal length on a cropped sensor'.
Apart from that, fair enough.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Shade of Baron Scarpia on June 12, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
I could have called myself Shadow of Baron Scarpia, but that would have proved Ken B right.

I should not have pulled the drama-queen move of deleting my account. So here I am, although I do not intent to participate further. I hope I have the will power to follow through on that resolve. I don't have the time or energy, due to life circumstances. Mostly I regret this flareup of negativity that was an indirect result of my account deletion. When you toss a stone in a pond you can't always anticipate where the ripples will go.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on June 12, 2019, 11:35:09 AM
Good Lord, this is where the action is, apparently.  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: schnittkease on June 12, 2019, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on June 12, 2019, 11:35:09 AM
Good Lord, this is where the action is, apparently.  ???

You can say that again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 12, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: JBS on June 11, 2019, 06:10:30 PM
Baron Scarpia seems to have de-membered himself!
Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on June 12, 2019, 08:28:41 PM
Where have all these arguments supposedly in desperate need of moderation been taking place?

I guess I must be spending too much time in the safe space of the Trump thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 12, 2019, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on June 12, 2019, 08:28:41 PM
Where have all these arguments supposedly in desperate need of moderation been taking place?

I guess I must be spending too much time in the safe space of the Trump thread.
Not a composer I know at all well.
I think I heard his Concerto for Megaphone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 12, 2019, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: Ken B on June 12, 2019, 08:59:01 PM
Not a composer I know at all well.
I think I heard his Concerto for Megaphone.

LOL
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 12, 2019, 10:30:03 PM
Good Morning from Scotland folks. The heated exchanges have been dealt with, the delay due to Mods being at work or asleep.

When things get heated, remember why people turn up here and try to bear in mind the site rules.

Regards,

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 13, 2019, 03:10:49 AM
Apparently there's a rule about not disclosing the contents of a PM. If doing so is against the rules and results in a banning, fair enough - at least it'll offer the moderators the opportunity to show they're not hypocrites who wave the rule book only when it suits.

I've been told in a PM by knight66 that regarding my suggestion of Scarpia being the only member with the balls to get in to a boxing ring with me "...that was not banter, it was an implied threat to others on the site." An implied threat to others. Fucking BS.


From the site rules, as posted by the owner/admin -
"As administrator of the forum, I will NOT intervene in discussions/arguments of a religious or political nature, and I will ask the other moderators to do likewise. I am not qualified to do so, have no interest in doing so, and will not waste my time sorting out these discussions." - while one moderator is happy to harbour a racist and anti-Semite to make sure his posts are deemed acceptable. Hypocrisy. At least two of the moderators are such hypocrites who choose to enforce the rules when it suits them. It's as simple as that and the constant back and forth and arguments with people leaving is a result of that moderation 'style'.

"An implied threat to others" - pathetic. knight66, you're what's known in Scotland as a 'Shitebag', so hitch up your kilt and go change your drawers.



If the ban hammer falls I know that anyone who wants to get in touch with me already has contact details.



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 13, 2019, 03:27:19 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on June 13, 2019, 03:10:49 AM
Apparently there's a rule about not disclosing the contents of a PM. If doing so is against the rules and results in a banning, fair enough - at least it'll offer the moderators the opportunity to show they're not hypocrites who wave the rule book only when it suits.

I've been told in a PM by knight66 that regarding my suggestion of Scarpia being the only member with the balls to get in to a boxing ring with me "...that was not banter, it was an implied threat to others on the site." An implied threat to others. Fucking BS.


From the site rules, as posted by the owner/admin -
"As administrator of the forum, I will NOT intervene in discussions/arguments of a religious or political nature, and I will ask the other moderators to do likewise. I am not qualified to do so, have no interest in doing so, and will not waste my time sorting out these discussions." - while one moderator is happy to harbour a racist and anti-Semite to make sure his posts are deemed acceptable. Hypocrisy. At least two of the moderators are such hypocrites who choose to enforce the rules when it suits them. It's as simple as that and the constant back and forth and arguments with people leaving is a result of that moderation 'style'.

"An implied threat to others" - pathetic. knight66, you're what's known in Scotland as a 'Shitebag', so hitch up your kilt and go change your drawers.



If the ban hammer falls I know that anyone who wants to get in touch with me already has contact details.

I really don't know what you are referring to re antisemitism. And to provide some further context, this member lives in the same part of Edinburgh that I do. He first of all suggested I try saying what I said to his face and then when I suggested that might be interesting, as he seemingly has seen me around, he called me a paedophile looking old fool. And I don't see why this kind of thing should be kept confidential frankly.

And this is because I suggest not breaking the rules of being civil to one another and deleted a post.

Knight
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: pjme on June 13, 2019, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on June 12, 2019, 09:59:05 AM
And speaking of that, your current profile photo ('Stephan Fleeting' or something) is a nice rip off of Avedon.

Check out Stephan Vanfleteren ((Belgium/Kortrijk, 1969) :
http://stephanvanfleteren.com/nl

Later this year in the Antwerp photography museum:
https://www.fotomuseum.be/tentoonstellingen/Stephan_Vanfleteren.html

He made some great portraits:

(http://stephanvanfleteren.com/frontend/files/pictures/source/flandrien_1361028784_5.jpg)
http://500photographers.blogspot.com/2010/07/photographer-065-stephan-vanfleteren.html
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 13, 2019, 03:48:22 AM
Quote from: pjme on June 13, 2019, 03:41:22 AM
Check out Stephan Vanfleteren ((Belgium/Kortrijk, 1969) :
http://stephanvanfleteren.com/nl

Later this year in the Antwerp photography museum:
https://www.fotomuseum.be/tentoonstellingen/Stephan_Vanfleteren.html

He made some great portraits:

(http://stephanvanfleteren.com/frontend/files/pictures/source/flandrien_1361028784_5.jpg)
http://500photographers.blogspot.com/2010/07/photographer-065-stephan-vanfleteren.html

Yeah, that's the name I was thinking of.

Whereas, Avedon -

(https://i.postimg.cc/G2f7xs18/serveimage.jpg)

Cheers for the link. I'll check it out at my leisure.


e: kind of along the lines of 'knowing the rules before you can break them' or whatever that saying is.

FWIW (probably fuck all) the words my old boss used to instill those rules, when teaching me a rough guide to (35mm) focal lengths in reference to photographing women -

24mm eyes to toes
50mm eyes to trim
85mm eyes to tits
105mm eyes to teeth
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 13, 2019, 04:04:33 AM
Quote from: pjme on June 13, 2019, 03:41:22 AM
[...]
(http://stephanvanfleteren.com/frontend/files/pictures/source/flandrien_1361028784_5.jpg)
[...]

A childhood hero of mine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: NikF4 on June 13, 2019, 04:23:42 AM
I'm not hanging around so some creepy old coward can twist my words to further their cause -

(https://i.postimg.cc/nzxh2Tqg/IMG-20190613-131153-686.jpg)

Anyway, enough of all this crap. There are a few people I speak with off site already, but this morning I received a couple of sincere messages and it'll be my pleasure to chat with those too.

And I don't do the whole 'flounce off and then sneak back later thing.' I won't even lurk to read any replies to this message.

Look after yourselves and no matter how good the music is remember to go outside and smell the real flowers once in a while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 13, 2019, 05:42:58 AM
Quote from: NikF4 on June 13, 2019, 04:23:42 AM
I'm not hanging around so some creepy old coward can twist my words to further their cause -

(https://i.postimg.cc/nzxh2Tqg/IMG-20190613-131153-686.jpg)

Anyway, enough of all this crap. There are a few people I speak with off site already, but this morning I received a couple of sincere messages and it'll be my pleasure to chat with those too.

And I don't do the whole 'flounce off and then sneak back later thing.' I won't even lurk to read any replies to this message.

Look after yourselves and no matter how good the music is remember to go outside and smell the real flowers once in a while.

I for one am heartily sorry that NikF4, also deleted his account.  I valued his contribution, and am quite sad he is gone. I respected him, and still do.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 13, 2019, 05:55:46 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on June 13, 2019, 05:42:58 AM
I for one am heartily sorry that NikF4, also deleted his account.  I valued his contribution, and am quite sad he is gone. I respected him, and still do.
Yup, I liked Nik and his adventures and his live concert diary. But this episode was just bizarre. It is of course clear that "I bet nobody would get in a boxing ring with me" was NOT a threat, just as I personally bet nobody here could try to eat more cookies than me  ;D But calling Mike all the things he just called him, zoinks.

I suspect Nik will wake up with some remorse because he seems like a good dude, but ...  :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 13, 2019, 06:41:01 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on June 13, 2019, 05:42:58 AM
I for one am heartily sorry that NikF4, also deleted his account.  I valued his contribution, and am quite sad he is gone. I respected him, and still do.

After his recent spate of inchoate, vitriolic and puerile abuse I must demur. He had become like a belligerent drunk at a soccer game.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Marc on June 13, 2019, 07:38:09 AM
Quote from: Brian on June 13, 2019, 05:55:46 AM
Yup, I liked Nik and his adventures and his live concert diary. But this episode was just bizarre. It is of course clear that "I bet nobody would get in a boxing ring with me" was NOT a threat, just as I personally bet nobody here could try to eat more cookies than me  ;D But calling Mike all the things he just called him, zoinks.

I suspect Nik will wake up with some remorse because he seems like a good dude, but ...  :-\

It is a true pity, indeed.
His final advice "[...] go outside and smell the real flowers once in a while" was a good one. It might even have worked with him in this particular matter. Most certainly combined with his Personal Text, which was, iirc, "Time and patience."

I admit I'm a bit baffled and also feeling sad about what has been happening here the last 2 or 3 days. And I'm not even a heavy regular anymore.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/43/9a/ueTeobjL_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 13, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
I hope I'm not the only one tired of witnessing the same stuff over and over again?  ::)

It's a classic chain of events:
1) poster A annoys the hell out of poster B (mind that there is a possibility that poster A is actually really annoying)
2) Poster B goes off the rails.
3) Poster A leaves and poster B is moderated.
4) Poster B takes it up a few notches, but now conveniently targets the moderator.
5) Poster B leaves.

Really, I don't care anymore...

Anyone who is angry and takes it out on someone here, can take a hike... Thank you very much...

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on June 13, 2019, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on June 13, 2019, 05:42:58 AM
I for one am heartily sorry that NikF4, also deleted his account.  I valued his contribution, and am quite sad he is gone. I respected him, and still do.

I too, and would be very glad if one of those who do have contact with him off forum let him know that I would be glad to keep in touch with him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 13, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: JBS on June 13, 2019, 10:21:37 AM
I too, and would be very glad if one of those who do have contact with him off forum let him know that I would be glad to keep in touch with him.

I will do that for you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on June 13, 2019, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: Que on June 13, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
I hope I'm not the only one tired of witnessing the same stuff over and over again?  ::)

It's a classic chain of events:
1) poster A annoys the hell out of poster B (mind that there is a possibility that poster A is actually really annoying)
2) Poster B goes off the rails.
3) Poster A leaves and poster B is moderated.
4) Poster B takes it up a few notches, but now conveniently targets the moderator.
5) Poster B leaves.

Really, I don't care anymore...

Anyone who is angry and takes it out on someone here, can take a hike... Thank you very much...

Ideally, the original disagreement was along the lines of "you interpret the phrase 'emotional content' slightly differently than I do."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on June 13, 2019, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on June 13, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
I will do that for you!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 13, 2019, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: JBS on June 13, 2019, 10:21:37 AM
I too, and would be very glad if one of those who do have contact with him off forum let him know that I would be glad to keep in touch with him.

Likewise,please.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 14, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
Quote from: Que on June 13, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
I hope I'm not the only one tired of witnessing the same stuff over and over again?  ::)

It's a classic chain of events:
1) poster A annoys the hell out of poster B (mind that there is a possibility that poster A is actually really annoying)
2) Poster B goes off the rails.
3) Poster A leaves and poster B is moderated.
4) Poster B takes it up a few notches, but now conveniently targets the moderator.
5) Poster B leaves.

Really, I don't care anymore...

Anyone who is angry and takes it out on someone here, can take a hike... Thank you very much...

Q

I've had very nice exchanges with both parties, especially MI (over many years) and it is very sad that this has happened. The level of vitriol poured over MI surprised and disheartened me. I'm no saint myself but life is too short for all this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 14, 2019, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 14, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
I've had very nice exchanges with both parties, especially MI (over many years) and it is very sad that this has happened. The level of vitriol poured over MI surprised and disheartened me. I'm no saint myself but life is too short for all this.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 14, 2019, 09:46:09 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 14, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
I've had very nice exchanges with both parties, especially MI (over many years) and it is very sad that this has happened. The level of vitriol poured over MI surprised and disheartened me. I'm no saint myself but life is too short for all this.

It did not alas surprise me because it wasn't the first example from NikF4. And it wasn't the last or, from what Knight says, even the worst. I hope Brian is right and that he regrets his behavior, but I won't hold my breath.

I do hope John returns.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 14, 2019, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 14, 2019, 09:35:01 AM
+1

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 14, 2019, 05:29:15 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 14, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
I've had very nice exchanges with both parties, especially MI (over many years) and it is very sad that this has happened. The level of vitriol poured over MI surprised and disheartened me. I'm no saint myself but life is too short for all this.

I don't understand these sudden outbursts of verbal aggression... some of us have issues, clearly...  ::)

I'm pretty sure MI will be back at some moment BTW.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on June 14, 2019, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: Que on June 14, 2019, 05:29:15 PM
I don't understand these sudden outbursts of verbal agression... some of us have issues, clearly...  ::)

I'm pretty sure MI will be back at some moment BTW.

Q

I am under the impression that Nik had a much rougher upbringing than a number of us, and a consequent willingness to put aside burgher proprieties when he thought they were harmful. And also possibly a feeling of being something of an outsider here. I must also confess that while I didn't share Nik's vehemence,  John (MI) could often post comments that I found tiresome, annoying, even provoking.

But I consider both my friends, and hope they return to peaceful co-existence.

At the very least I have always found their contributions to far outweigh their "sins".
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 15, 2019, 02:26:00 AM
Quote from: JBS on June 14, 2019, 05:51:57 PM
I am under the impression that Nik had a much rougher upbringing than a number of us, and a consequent willingness to put aside burgher proprieties when he thought they were harmful.

During my tenure as a moderator I've encountered "gentlemen" of supposedly perfect pedigree foaming at the mouth and turning to vicious verbal abuse, just because they don't like to be told they were out of line. Crossing the line is always perfectly justified, it's the other guy's fault, others have done much worse, they are being picked on and moderation is biased and arbitrary as a rule and conducted by very, very bad people (to put it euphemistically).

So no, I don't buy into that argument. I have encountered many from humble backgrounds and rough surroundings that are among the kindest and most genteel people I've ever met. Contrary to middle/upper class beliefs, pedigree is hugely overrated IMO.

Fortunately there are some that will just admit that they got carried away a bit, and good heartedly move on. Real (gentle)men... I mean, we all have our weak moments of bad judgment, and we all are bound to annoy someone at some moment in time - I'm sure I do.... 8) But dealing with that in a mature way separates the good from the bad.

We can call ourselves lucky that the forum currently needs a minimum of moderating. For some it is too little, for some any moderating is too much.It's a hard call. Most of the time, intervening will make matters worse. But sometimes things have to get worse, before they get better.

QuoteAt the very least I have always found their contributions to far outweigh their "sins".

There are different degrees of crossing the line. I personally don't see how there is any going back from threatening someone and calling him a pedophile.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 15, 2019, 05:21:48 AM
Speaking as someone who in the past have been involved in bitter conflict with the mods, all  but one, I can attest to their being actually moderate, open to criticism, and, especially in my case, forgiving and forgetful with the culprit who sincerely acknowledges his shortcomings and faults and admits to temporarily having lost his temper / minds. I've been a GMG members for more than 10 years, I think, and as far as I can remember the only member banned during all this time was the one who pretty much anybody else agreed he was obnoxious, annoying and insulting. Is there another internet board, I wonder, where during 10 full years there was only 1 (one) banned member? Generally, the most extreme measure the mods are likely to take is to temporarily lock a thread. Now, I am opposed to that in principle because in my view free speech is sacrosanct, and in some cases I protested loudly against such measures --- but I know form personal experience that sometimes taking a pause from heated debate can work wonders for all parties involved.

Bottom line, I'd like to express my honest opinion that GMG is generally a place where any member can freely express his / her opinion without any fear they'll be censored, except in such extreme cases as insulting another member in the grossest manner possible. No, wait, now that I think of it there was one quite active GMG member who posted sensible thoughts about music and wild rants about politics and who, having been apparently put on a moderating system for the latter, chose to quit this board for good. If you ask me, this is a clear example of censorship driving away a member. But apart from this isolated case, my impression is that GMG is --- again --- THE freest internet board I've ever been a member of.

And I have no intention to leave so you folks, and you mods, will have to put up with me and my ideas for any foreseeable future.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 15, 2019, 05:25:21 AM
Quote from: Que on June 15, 2019, 02:26:00 AM
Contrary to middle/upper class beliefs, pedigree is hugely overrated IMO.

This is my experience as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on June 15, 2019, 05:37:49 AM
Quote
There are different degrees of crossing the line. I personally don't see how there is any going back from threatening someone and calling him a pedophile.

There's always American politics.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 15, 2019, 06:35:06 AM
Quote from: Ken B on June 15, 2019, 05:37:49 AM
There's always American politics.

I have it on a trustworthy source that the first POTUS ever to be accused of trampling over the USA Constitution, and of being a traitor to the Founding Fathers' ideas, was George Washington.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on June 15, 2019, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: Que on June 15, 2019, 02:26:00 AM
Fortunately there are some that will just admit that they got carried away a bit, and good heartedly move on. Real (gentle)men... I mean, we all have our weak moments of bad judgment, and we all are bound to annoy someone at some moment in time - I'm sure I do.... 8) But dealing with that in a mature way separates the good from the bad.

We can call ourselves lucky that the forum currently needs a minimum of moderating. For some it is too little, for some any moderating is too much.It's a hard call. Most of the time, intervening will make matters worse. But sometimes things have to get worse, before they get better.

My faves of the good points here, just so people know that the mods are generally in agreement. None of us is perfect.

Quote from: Florestan on June 15, 2019, 05:21:48 AM
Bottom line, I'd like to express my honest opinion that GMG is generally a place where any member can freely express his / her opinion without any fear they'll be censored, except in such extreme cases as insulting another member in the grossest manner possible.

I know we don't interact much here -- likely because our musical interests don't often overlap -- but I appreciate this comment, and others, in your reply above.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 17, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: owlice on May 21, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
How long does one have to be gone to be considered missing, I wonder...

owlice & I enjoyed a wonderful catch-up dinner in the people's republic of Cambridge yesterday.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 17, 2019, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 17, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
owlice & I enjoyed a wonderful catch-up dinner in the people's republic of Cambridge yesterday.

How very nice Karl
:)

I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

Hope you are doing well.

Jeffrey

PS Pohjola's Daughter still seems to be lost in Tuonela. Hope she is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 18, 2019, 05:43:20 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 17, 2019, 09:36:20 PM
How very nice Karl
:)

I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

Hope you are doing well.

Jeffrey

PS Pohjola's Daughter still seems to be lost in Tuonela. Hope she is ok.

Now you have to figure SCOTUS and FLOTUS !  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 18, 2019, 07:41:30 AM
Quote from: André on June 18, 2019, 05:43:20 AM
Now you have to figure SCOTUS and FLOTUS !  ;D

No idea so I had to cheat:

Supreme  Court.....

First Lady.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 18, 2019, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: Irons on June 18, 2019, 05:13:45 AM
I heard from her last week. Her cat was run over and being a massive cat lover she is devastated by this. Due to her seemingly abandoning ship I did wonder if she had migrated back to Haydnesque but I have nothing to back that up.

Thanks Lol,

As a cat lover myself I know how devastating that can be.

When my PM system is back in action I'll contact her.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: greg on June 18, 2019, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: Que on June 15, 2019, 02:26:00 AM
During my tenure as a moderator I've encountered "gentlemen" of supposedly perfect pedigree foaming at the mouth and turning to vicious verbal abuse, just because they don't like to be told they were out of line.
Hahahaha I think I know who you're talking about  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on June 19, 2019, 07:07:03 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 17, 2019, 09:36:20 PM
I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

The person concerned has had no idea himself for 2,5 years already.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 19, 2019, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 19, 2019, 07:07:03 AM
The person concerned has had no idea himself for 2,5 years already.
Good point!

It's fortunate that the UK's likely next PM is such a beacon of integrity.  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on June 19, 2019, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 19, 2019, 09:54:45 PM
Good point!

It's fortunate that the UK's likely next PM is such a beacon of integrity.  ::)
Such a pity he couldn't find time to meet with OMNIPOTUS during his recent state visit:  :D
https://www.youtube.com/v/1hsiuEEcGTo
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 19, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 19, 2019, 10:04:15 PM
Such a pity he couldn't find time to meet with OMNIPOTUS during his recent state visit:  :D
https://www.youtube.com/v/1hsiuEEcGTo
Excellent!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: owlice on June 23, 2019, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 17, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
owlice & I enjoyed a wonderful catch-up dinner in the people's republic of Cambridge yesterday.
Indeed we did!! And we had much much much to catch up on!!! It was a fabulous time!!!

BTW, the overwalk to the restaurant turned out to be helpful later as I wandered toward wherever it was I was going. :-)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 24, 2019, 07:43:34 AM
Quote from: owlice on June 23, 2019, 08:54:09 PM
Indeed we did!! And we had much much much to catch up on!!! It was a fabulous time!!!

BTW, the overwalk to the restaurant turned out to be helpful later as I wandered toward wherever it was I was going. :-)

Ambling about Cambridge can almost always be turned to good account.

Next time, I'll show you a chocolate joint (place, that is)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on June 25, 2019, 10:02:38 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 17, 2019, 09:36:20 PM
I've now worked out what 'POTUS' means - only took me a fortnight!  ::)

The species, a predator, is better known as Potus Raptus.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 25, 2019, 10:47:46 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 25, 2019, 10:02:38 PM
The species, a predator, is better known as Potus Raptus.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 19, 2019, 08:13:15 AM
I have only had sporadic attendance here recently but it would seem that cilgwyn has deleted his account. Have I missed something? This is a most regrettable development if this is the case.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: aligreto on July 19, 2019, 08:13:15 AM
I have only had sporadic attendance here recently but it would seem that cilgwyn has deleted his account. Have I missed something? This is a most regrettable development if this is the case.

I have no idea why he left but it is indeed regrettable. I thoroughly enjoy his unique posts. Going to miss him.


Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 19, 2019, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
I have no idea why he left but it is indeed regrettable. I thoroughly enjoy his unique posts. Going to miss him.


Sarge

His posts certainly were both unique and most enjoyable. They are one of the first things that I look out for when I log in. His departure is most regrettable indeed Sarge.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on July 19, 2019, 09:21:46 AM
Quote from: aligreto on July 19, 2019, 09:17:37 AM
His posts certainly were both unique and most enjoyable. They are one of the first things that I look out for when I log in. His departure is most regrettable indeed Sarge.

There was no indication that something was wrong. Maybe as before he will return. Could be a few pints too much, and mouse tracking wasn't so steady, and clicked the wrong buttons. I am confident that he returns. I appreciated him on many levels
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 19, 2019, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on July 19, 2019, 09:21:46 AM
There was no indication that something was wrong. Maybe as before he will return. Could be a few pints too much, and mouse tracking wasn't so steady, and clicked the wrong buttons. I am confident that he returns. I appreciated him on many levels

Hopefully he will return sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on July 19, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
I thoroughly enjoy his unique posts.

Indeed. Though they are often about music I don't listen to a lot, I always enjoy reading his posts, which seem full of enthusiasm and geniality. I hope all is well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on July 19, 2019, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: aligreto on July 19, 2019, 08:13:15 AM
I have only had sporadic attendance here recently but it would seem that cilgwyn has deleted his account.

Say whaaat?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on July 19, 2019, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Florestan on July 19, 2019, 11:37:11 AM
Say whaaat?
Hey you. Empty your mailbox! 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on July 19, 2019, 03:44:07 PM
I don't understand why cilgwyn deleted his account either! Was he offended by anyone? I didn't think anything like that has happened. Does anyone here know him in person? He will sure be back sooner than later, I hope!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on July 19, 2019, 04:30:31 PM
I share a great deal of musical tastes with him in many cases, especially when symphonies are concerned, or favorite composers too (Mahler, Tubin, Bax, Nielsen, Beethoven, Respighi, Langgaard, Vaughan Williams, Dvorák, Lloyd, Kalinnikov, Glière, Sibelius, Brian, Shostakovich, Suk, Novák, Pizzetti, Arnold, Bantock, Holmboe, well, many! And we also know some of the most loved symphonies, and so on, I guess  :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on July 19, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
I don't wanna to lost more members on this forum! I hope, at least, these members don't do that! Please. Ok, I'm kidding you know what I mean, don't you?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on July 19, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
Quote from: aligreto on July 19, 2019, 08:13:15 AM
I have only had sporadic attendance here recently but it would seem that cilgwyn has deleted his account. Have I missed something? This is a most regrettable development if this is the case.

Oh dear, that is most concerning. I've always enjoyed his contributions here... :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on July 19, 2019, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on July 19, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
I don't wanna to lost more members on this forum! I hope, at least, these members don't do that! Please. Ok, I'm kidding you know what I mean, don't you?

Indeed, we've lost one too many members recently...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 20, 2019, 03:00:16 AM
Quote from: Iota on July 19, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
Indeed. Though they are often about music I don't listen to a lot, I always enjoy reading his posts, which seem full of enthusiasm and geniality. I hope all is well.


Quote from: SymphonicAddict on July 19, 2019, 03:44:07 PM
I don't understand why cilgwyn deleted his account either! Was he offended by anyone? I didn't think anything like that has happened. Does anyone here know him in person? He will sure be back sooner than later, I hope!


Quote from: kyjo on July 19, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
Oh dear, that is most concerning. I've always enjoyed his contributions here... :(


A most genial and amusing person indeed. He will be a big loss.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 04:17:57 AM
That's very bad news indeed and a bit of a shock to be honest. I really enjoyed the banter between us and his posts full of contextual information. I can't think of any reason why he would be upset and hope he is ok. What with John (MI) no longer posting (I hope he'll come back but somehow doubt it in view of what happened) that is a double blow for me and many others I'm sure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 20, 2019, 04:40:05 AM
Quote from: kyjo on July 19, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
Oh dear, that is most concerning. I've always enjoyed his contributions here... :(

Aye.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 20, 2019, 04:53:47 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 04:17:57 AM
That's very bad news indeed and a bit of a shock to be honest. I really enjoyed the banter between us and his posts full of contextual information. I can't think of any reason why he would be upset and hope he is ok.

Since you engaged with him as much or more than anyone here, I had hoped you would know the reason he left us...and give us some hope for his return.

Sarge

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on July 20, 2019, 04:55:16 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 04:17:57 AM
That's very bad news indeed and a bit of a shock to be honest. I really enjoyed the banter between us and his posts full of contextual information. I can't think of any reason why he would be upset and hope he is ok. What with John (MI) no longer posting (I hope he'll come back but somehow doubt it in view of what happened) that is a double blow for me and many others I'm sure.

Well, John might have had a reason for leaving (although he should have taken into account that there was only one GMG member who treated him like trash, while many others were friendly towards him), but cilgwyn's departure has no apparent reason whatsoever. I do hope they both come back some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 20, 2019, 04:57:17 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 04:17:57 AM
That's very bad news indeed and a bit of a shock to be honest. I really enjoyed the banter between us and his posts full of contextual information. I can't think of any reason why he would be upset and hope he is ok.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 20, 2019, 04:53:47 AM
Since you engaged with him as much or more than anyone here, I had hoped you would know the reason he left us...and give us some hope for his return.

Sarge




I rather had the same hope.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 05:43:46 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 20, 2019, 04:53:47 AM
Since you engaged with him as much or more than anyone here, I had hoped you would know the reason he left us...and give us some hope for his return.

Sarge
Unfortunately I have no idea. I remember sending him a PM once before after he had not posted for a long time and received a reassuring reply from him (computer problem). I would do so again but I don't think I can as his account is deleted. That's why its come as a big surprise as I detected nothing out of the ordinary in my or any one else's exchanges with him recently. I hope that maybe he reads these messages, realises how much his unique contributions are missed, and returns again.

Added later: I have sent Cilgwyn a message through the Art-Music Forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 06:12:44 AM
Quote from: Florestan on July 20, 2019, 04:55:16 AM
Well, John might have had a reason for leaving (although he should have taken into account that there was only one GMG member who treated him like trash, while many others were friendly towards him), but cilgwyn's departure has no apparent reason whatsoever. I do hope they both come back some time.
Very much agree Andrei.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 20, 2019, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 05:43:46 AM
Unfortunately I have no idea. I remember sending him a PM once before after he had not posted for a long time and received a reassuring reply from him (computer problem). I would do so again but I don't think I can as his account is deleted. That's why it's come as a big surprise as I detected nothing out of the ordinary in my or any one else's exchanges with him recently. I hope that maybe he reads these messages, realises how much his unique contributions are missed, and returns again.

Added later: I have sent Cilgwyn a message through the Art-Music Forum.

Well done Jeffrey.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 06:34:45 AM
Quote from: aligreto on July 20, 2019, 06:32:27 AM
Well done Jeffrey.
Thank you Fergus.
I'll let everyone here know if I hear anything.

PS you are definitely not allowed to 'disappear' as well!
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 20, 2019, 07:44:01 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 06:34:45 AM

PS you are definitely not allowed to 'disappear' as well!
:)

Fear not Jeffrey; I have no such immediate plans.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 20, 2019, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 05:43:46 AM
Unfortunately I have no idea. I remember sending him a PM once before after he had not posted for a long time and received a reassuring reply from him (computer problem). I would do so again but I don't think I can as his account is deleted. That's why it's come as a big surprise as I detected nothing out of the ordinary in my or any one else's exchanges with him recently. I hope that maybe he reads these messages, realises how much his unique contributions are missed, and returns again.

Added later: I have sent Cilgwyn a message through the Art-Music Forum.

There, there! I go away for a few days, and look what happens!  ??? I feel the same as everybody else here, puzzlement allied to sadness...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: André on July 20, 2019, 04:36:41 PM
There, there! I go away for a few days, and look what happens!  ??? I feel the same as everybody else here, puzzlement allied to sadness...
'Puzzlement allied to sadness...' is exactly how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 21, 2019, 02:34:46 AM
Quote from: André on July 20, 2019, 04:36:41 PM
There, there! I go away for a few days, and look what happens!  ??? I feel the same as everybody else here, puzzlement allied to sadness...

Yes, well said indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on July 21, 2019, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 20, 2019, 04:17:57 AM
That's very bad news indeed and a bit of a shock to be honest. I really enjoyed the banter between us and his posts full of contextual information. I can't think of any reason why he would be upset and hope he is ok. What with John (MI) no longer posting (I hope he'll come back but somehow doubt it in view of what happened) that is a double blow for me and many others I'm sure.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 23, 2019, 12:57:59 AM
No response from cilgwyn to PM (Art-Music Forum). I just hope he is ok. Increasingly mystified by this.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on July 23, 2019, 01:06:57 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 23, 2019, 12:57:59 AM
No response from cilgwyn to PM (Art-Music Forum). I just hope he is ok. Increasingly mystified by this.  :(

Well deleting his profile was an active choice, at least it means he is still living. But you never know what is going on in the mind of a person, after all we share classical music, but little else. I want to believe that he will come back, for he had to my mind no reason to leave, and all reasons to stay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 23, 2019, 01:12:47 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on July 23, 2019, 01:06:57 AM
Well deleting his profile was an active choice, at least it means he is still living. But you never know what is going on in the mind of a person, after all we share classical music, but little else. I want to believe that he will come back, for he had to my mind no reason to leave, and all reasons to stay.
Thank you Harry.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 23, 2019, 06:36:38 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on July 23, 2019, 01:06:57 AM
Well deleting his profile was an active choice, at least it means he is still living. But you never know what is going on in the mind of a person, after all we share classical music, but little else. I want to believe that he will come back, for he had to my mind no reason to leave, and all reasons to stay.

Truly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 23, 2019, 08:14:25 AM
A truly great loss. He was such an asset to this forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on July 23, 2019, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 23, 2019, 06:36:38 AM
Truly.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: HIPster on July 24, 2019, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: Iota on July 19, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
Indeed. Though they are often about music I don't listen to a lot, I always enjoy reading his posts, which seem full of enthusiasm and geniality. I hope all is well.

I feel the same way. 

Very sorry to see him depart.  :(

Several favorite posters have recently departed unfortunately.

Thank you for reaching out Jeffrey.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 24, 2019, 09:21:51 AM
Quote from: HIPster on July 24, 2019, 06:24:30 AM
I feel the same way. 

Very sorry to see him depart.  :(

Several favorite posters have recently departed unfortunately.

Thank you for reaching out Jeffrey.

And thank you Dave.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Irons on July 25, 2019, 05:38:15 AM
Hmm, I have been away a couple of days myself and come back to find Cilgwyn gone which I find difficult to believe. Like other forum members I enjoyed his posts as they were not only knowledgeable, but more importantly shot through with humour. Doesn't make any sense at all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on July 25, 2019, 08:42:04 PM
Anyone been insulted by seen Todd recently?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on August 02, 2019, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: Ken B on July 25, 2019, 08:42:04 PM
Anyone been insulted by seen Todd recently?

Is he an offensive insulting dad? Maybe Brian knows  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 03, 2019, 10:21:08 AM
AnthonyAthletic has been missing for a while. Drasko too... :-[
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on August 02, 2019, 05:16:50 PM
Is he an offensive insulting dad? Maybe Brian knows  :P
Todd works in a business where he pretty frequently has to take multi-month breaks from the forum at certain times of year. He replied to a PM I sent 2-3 weeks after his most recent disappearance, but we haven't been in touch since.

I hope AnthonyAthletic and Drasko return soon!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 03, 2019, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Brian on August 03, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
Todd works in a business where he pretty frequently has to take multi-month breaks from the forum at certain times of year. He replied to a PM I sent 2-3 weeks after his most recent disappearance, but we haven't been in touch since.

I hope AnthonyAthletic and Drasko return soon!

Yes, not to mention Cilgwyn, Mirror Image and Pohjola's Daughter.
:(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on August 04, 2019, 12:16:47 AM
Yes, I miss them all!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on August 08, 2019, 12:22:42 PM
I always thought that Opus106 (Navneeth) would return sooner or later...

PS: If he had been posting under a different pen-name, it would be good news.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on August 08, 2019, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: Gordo on August 08, 2019, 12:22:42 PM
I always thought that Opus106 (Navneeth) would return sooner or later...

PS: If he had been posting under a different pen-name, it would be good news.  :)

I do not think he has.  He also left TC, as far as I recall about the same time. You are not the only one to miss him.

May I add, that I also miss you, when you take those long breaks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on August 08, 2019, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on August 08, 2019, 12:30:36 PM
May I add, that I also miss you, when you take those long breaks.

Thanks, dear Poul! Although I have been posting very rarely during the last years, I always follow the messages and conversations on this board, particularly yours (*) and the ones by other good friends here. 

(*) As you are the most reliable voice that I know on Bach's keyboard and instrumental music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 08, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
I like this thread ! Despite occasional frictions between members, every absence is duly noted and regretted.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on August 08, 2019, 06:10:22 PM
On a more positive note, I'm glad to see that jwinter has returned.

One I especially miss is edward (he of the green alien avatar). I'm sure he was mentioned many pages back, but I do miss his contributions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 08, 2019, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on August 08, 2019, 06:10:22 PM
On a more positive note, I'm glad to see that jwinter has returned.

One I especially miss is edward (he of the green alien avatar). I'm sure he was mentioned many pages back, but I do miss his contributions.

I should send Edward a message.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 08, 2019, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: André on August 08, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
I like this thread ! Despite occasional frictions between members, every absence is duly noted and regretted.  :)
+1
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on August 15, 2019, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: André on August 08, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
I like this thread ! Despite occasional frictions between members, every absence is duly noted and regretted.  :)

+2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on August 15, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on August 08, 2019, 06:10:22 PM
On a more positive note, I'm glad to see that jwinter has returned.

Yes, I was glad too! It's quite curious, here you become to feel quite close to some people, even if you never have direct interaction or a conversation with them.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 15, 2019, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: Gordo on August 08, 2019, 12:22:42 PM
I always thought that Opus106 (Navneeth) would return sooner or later...

PS: If he had been posting under a different pen-name, it would be good news.  :)


Interesting coincidence: I was just thinking this earlier today. I had many pleasant conversations with Navneeth, my lone contact with India. And things have happened in Chennai recently that I would have asked him about... :-\  Well, I am not a misser of people; ordinarily they left of their own volition so I wish them well, but once in a while... :(

8)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 15, 2019, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on August 08, 2019, 06:10:22 PM
On a more positive note, I'm glad to see that jwinter has returned.

One I especially miss is edward (he of the green alien avatar). I'm sure he was mentioned many pages back, but I do miss his contributions.

Agree with both those things, jwinter was gone for a long time, I didn't think he would ever return. And edward was just a nice guy. We didn't like the same music, but I always respected his opinions on the music he did like because he expressed them well and respected others' thoughts. So it goes. The big wipeout last year was tough on membership. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on August 15, 2019, 07:43:13 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on August 15, 2019, 07:07:23 PM

Interesting coincidence: I was just thinking this earlier today. I had many pleasant conversations with Navneeth, my lone contact with India. And things have happened in Chennai recently that I would have asked him about... :-\  Well, I am not a misser of people; ordinarily they left of their own volition so I wish them well, but once in a while... :(

8)

I understand a Texan boy (even adoptive) can't afford that kind of weakness.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: jwinter on August 16, 2019, 06:05:01 AM
Quote from: Gordo on August 15, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
Yes, I was glad too! It's quite curious, here you become to feel quite close to some people, even if you never have direct interaction or a conversation with them.  :)

Happy to be back, and thanks for the kind thoughts :)

If anyone's curious, my long break had nothing to do with anyone or anything here...  as several others have mentioned, raising 2 children will tend to re-prioritize one's life.  I was obliged to spend a lot less time on the internet, as well as having greatly reduced opportunity for classical music listening (not to mention reduced funding for purchases).  It wasn't so much a conscious choice to leave as a case of getting distracted and pulled into other things.

But my kids are now in middle and high school, so my free time is opening back up.  I put on a CD a few months ago, which brought back to mind pleasant memories of GMG, and so I logged back in.  If I'm being honest, I've also been fighting back a bit of depression the past few months, since my mom passed away over the holidays -- feeling a part of a community helps a little, especially one that is a complete shift from my day-to-day life (not many folks in my circle of friends who've even heard of Bruckner, much less can hold up an argument on Jochum EMI vs DG in the 8th). 


I've been re-reading some of the old stuff (dug up my copy of the old "Fighting About Chopin" thread, and have been slowly working my way through Gurn's Haydn Haus, all 200 + pages of it).  Funny how one's taste changes over time.  It is a bit sad to see so many of the old familiar names gone, though I guess I'm not in a position to talk :)  Though hopefully some of our missing folks are in a similar situation to mine, and may stop by again when life turns back around, as it often does... and it is good to see some newer members as well, with whom I hope to become better acquainted. 


Cheers!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 16, 2019, 06:28:48 AM
Quote from: Gordo on August 15, 2019, 07:43:13 PM
I understand a Texan boy (even adoptive) can't afford that kind of weakness.  ;D ;)

:D  Well, that's not it, really, it's that I have always tried to treat everyone here fairly, whether I personally like them or I don't, or I don't even have an opinion about them. It seems like in the end, that carries over into however they have decided to leave. Sometimes I miss people we have booted out more than ones who have left on their own!!

Quote from: jwinter on August 16, 2019, 06:05:01 AM
Happy to be back, and thanks for the kind thoughts :)

...as several others have mentioned, raising 2 children will tend to re-prioritize one's life.  I was obliged to spend a lot less time on the internet, as well as having greatly reduced opportunity for classical music listening (not to mention reduced funding for purchases).  It wasn't so much a conscious choice to leave as a case of getting distracted and pulled into other things. 

Case in point; I knew why jwinter had left, and even though I missed talking to him about things of mutual interest, I felt like putting things in perspective was good with me. Glad you're back though, JW. :)

In short, best thing is to acknowledge that life has had others move on in their own direction and just bid 'adieu', and move on in your own direction.

I miss Gabriel. So it goes. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 16, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on August 16, 2019, 06:28:48 AM
:D  Well, that's not it, really, it's that I have always tried to treat everyone here fairly, whether I personally like them or I don't, or I don't even have an opinion about them. It seems like in the end, that carries over into however they have decided to leave. Sometimes I miss people we have booted out more than ones who have left on their own!!
 

Case in point; I knew why jwinter had left, and even though I missed talking to him about things of mutual interest, I felt like putting things in perspective was good with me. Glad you're back though, JW. :)

In short, best thing is to acknowledge that life has had others move on in their own direction and just bid 'adieu', and move on in your own direction.

I miss Gabriel. So it goes. :)

8)

I miss him too! Last I heard he was in France for his studies, but that's a long time ago. Maybe he's back in Chile.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on August 16, 2019, 09:37:49 AM
Quote from: André on August 16, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
I miss him too! Last I heard he was in France for his studies, but that's a long time ago. Maybe he's back in Chile.

Oh yes, nearly 10 years, I think. You know, you always like best those who agree with you most...  :D :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 17, 2019, 12:31:23 AM
Quote from: Gordo on August 15, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
Yes, I was glad too! It's quite curious, here you become to feel quite close to some people, even if you never have direct interaction or a conversation with them.  :)
I think that this is true. And then it can be disconcerting, if you've had all these exchanges with them, and then they suddenly leave. I think that it's a bit easier if there is an obvious reason or an explanation. In the case of Cilgwyn, for example, it's the abrupt departure, without explanation, which I find disconcerting. These relationships may be long distance and 'virtual' but they are still relationships.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 17, 2019, 12:33:42 AM
Quote from: jwinter on August 16, 2019, 06:05:01 AM
Happy to be back, and thanks for the kind thoughts :)

If anyone's curious, my long break had nothing to do with anyone or anything here...  as several others have mentioned, raising 2 children will tend to re-prioritize one's life.  I was obliged to spend a lot less time on the internet, as well as having greatly reduced opportunity for classical music listening (not to mention reduced funding for purchases).  It wasn't so much a conscious choice to leave as a case of getting distracted and pulled into other things.

But my kids are now in middle and high school, so my free time is opening back up.  I put on a CD a few months ago, which brought back to mind pleasant memories of GMG, and so I logged back in.  If I'm being honest, I've also been fighting back a bit of depression the past few months, since my mom passed away over the holidays -- feeling a part of a community helps a little, especially one that is a complete shift from my day-to-day life (not many folks in my circle of friends who've even heard of Bruckner, much less can hold up an argument on Jochum EMI vs DG in the 8th). 


I've been re-reading some of the old stuff (dug up my copy of the old "Fighting About Chopin" thread, and have been slowly working my way through Gurn's Haydn Haus, all 200 + pages of it).  Funny how one's taste changes over time.  It is a bit sad to see so many of the old familiar names gone, though I guess I'm not in a position to talk :)  Though hopefully some of our missing folks are in a similar situation to mine, and may stop by again when life turns back around, as it often does... and it is good to see some newer members as well, with whom I hope to become better acquainted. 


Cheers!
I think that our musical tastes may not overlap that much but good to see you back here and sorry to hear about your mom.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: jwinter on August 17, 2019, 06:57:43 AM
Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on August 19, 2019, 03:23:37 AM
Quote from: jwinter on August 16, 2019, 06:05:01 AM
Happy to be back, and thanks for the kind thoughts :)

If anyone's curious, my long break had nothing to do with anyone or anything here...  as several others have mentioned, raising 2 children will tend to re-prioritize one's life.  I was obliged to spend a lot less time on the internet, as well as having greatly reduced opportunity for classical music listening (not to mention reduced funding for purchases).  It wasn't so much a conscious choice to leave as a case of getting distracted and pulled into other things.

But my kids are now in middle and high school, so my free time is opening back up.  I put on a CD a few months ago, which brought back to mind pleasant memories of GMG, and so I logged back in.  If I'm being honest, I've also been fighting back a bit of depression the past few months, since my mom passed away over the holidays -- feeling a part of a community helps a little, especially one that is a complete shift from my day-to-day life (not many folks in my circle of friends who've even heard of Bruckner, much less can hold up an argument on Jochum EMI vs DG in the 8th). 


I've been re-reading some of the old stuff (dug up my copy of the old "Fighting About Chopin" thread, and have been slowly working my way through Gurn's Haydn Haus, all 200 + pages of it).  Funny how one's taste changes over time.  It is a bit sad to see so many of the old familiar names gone, though I guess I'm not in a position to talk :)  Though hopefully some of our missing folks are in a similar situation to mine, and may stop by again when life turns back around, as it often does... and it is good to see some newer members as well, with whom I hope to become better acquainted. 


Cheers!
Glad to hear you are well, if perhaps a bit busy!! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on September 24, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
Just in case anyone thought I was "missing", I thought I'd post here. This semester at school is turning out to be a busy one for me (unsurprisingly  ::)) and I haven't had as much time to contribute here as I would like. Even so, I still log on every day or so and enjoy reading everyone's latest contributions. I'll try to post more often whenever I have a spare minute or two. Just wanted to reassure everyone that I haven't gone "missing in action"!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on September 24, 2019, 04:53:10 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 24, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
Just in case anyone thought I was "missing", I thought I'd post here. This semester at school is turning out to be a busy one for me (unsurprisingly  ::)) and I haven't had as much time to contribute here as I would like. Even so, I still log on every day or so and enjoy reading everyone's latest contributions. I'll try to post more often whenever I have a spare minute or two. Just wanted to reassure everyone that I haven't gone "missing in action"!  :)

Take your time, Kyle. I suppose and hope you'll have lots of good recommendations when you can post.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 24, 2019, 05:46:46 PM
Rest assured, we'll wait for you to be back. And, we all love you, Kyle !!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 24, 2019, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 24, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
Just in case anyone thought I was "missing", I thought I'd post here. This semester at school is turning out to be a busy one for me (unsurprisingly  ::)) and I haven't had as much time to contribute here as I would like. Even so, I still log on every day or so and enjoy reading everyone's latest contributions. I'll try to post more often whenever I have a spare minute or two. Just wanted to reassure everyone that I haven't gone "missing in action"!  :)

Good to see you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 24, 2019, 11:11:12 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 24, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
Just in case anyone thought I was "missing", I thought I'd post here. This semester at school is turning out to be a busy one for me (unsurprisingly  ::)) and I haven't had as much time to contribute here as I would like. Even so, I still log on every day or so and enjoy reading everyone's latest contributions. I'll try to post more often whenever I have a spare minute or two. Just wanted to reassure everyone that I haven't gone "missing in action"!  :)

I was just about to add you to the list of those who have gone 'AWOL' as I was aware that you hadn't posted for a while. Good to see you here again Kyle.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 25, 2019, 04:21:34 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 24, 2019, 11:11:12 PM
I was just about to add you to the list of those who have gone 'AWOL' as I was aware that you hadn't posted for a while. Good to see you here again Kyle.
:)

Amen!  Yes, stay with us, please!

The daze of college days!  Ah yes, I remember those well!   0:)    Ancient Greek, German, Latin, Ancient, Byzantine, and Western European Medieval History!!!

Fun times!   :D

Not every course was fun: the few "Education" courses needed to become a teacher 50 years ago were not quite as ridiculous as they are today, but were not even close to the high level of my majors listed above.

I am reminded of one incident which showed me something about Education professors.  I happened to be walking by the office of an Education professor, whose class I had endured with less displeasure than the others.  In his office were two other profs who were unknown to me, and all three were looking at a large book.  My former professor spots me and says: "Oh!  YOU would know the answer!"

Yes, even back then, I had a reputation as a walking "Fount of Knowledge!"  8)   ;)

So I stopped and looked helpful.  He said: "We're putting together an invitation to a reception for a speaker.  How do you spell...hors d'oeuvres ?" 

Yes, the large book was a dictionary opened to the "O" section.  So I spelled it, and as I spelled it, one of them checked it in the dictionary and says with some astonishment: "He's right!"  I did not take that as an insult, but recall giving a little laugh and explaining: "Well, it's a French word."   0:)

No, there was no foreign language requirement - even back then - for a doctorate in Education.  And - even back then - Education professors were considered the bottom of academia's pecking order.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on September 25, 2019, 08:07:49 AM
Quote from: Cato on September 25, 2019, 04:21:34 AM
Amen!  Yes, stay with us, please!

The daze of college days!  Ah yes, I remember those well!   0:)    Ancient Greek, German, Latin, Ancient, Byzantine, and Western European Medieval History!!!

Fun times!   :D

Sounds like a blast!  Ah, history!!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on September 25, 2019, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: Cato on September 25, 2019, 04:21:34 AM
Amen!  Yes, stay with us, please!

The daze of college days!  Ah yes, I remember those well!   0:)    Ancient Greek, German, Latin, Ancient, Byzantine, and Western European Medieval History!!!

Fun times!   :D

Not every course was fun: the few "Education" courses needed to become a teacher 50 years ago were not quite as ridiculous as they are today, but were not even close to the high level of my majors listed above.

I am reminded of one incident which showed me something about Education professors.  I happened to be walking by the office of an Education professor, whose class I had endured with less displeasure than the others.  In his office were two other profs who were unknown to me, and all three were looking at a large book.  My former professor spots me and says: "Oh!  YOU would know the answer!"

Yes, even back then, I had a reputation as a walking "Fount of Knowledge!"  8)   ;)

So I stopped and looked helpful.  He said: "We're putting together an invitation to a reception for a speaker.  How do you spell...hors d'oeuvres ?" 

Yes, the large book was a dictionary opened to the "O" section.  So I spelled it, and as I spelled it, one of them checked it in the dictionary and says with some astonishment: "He's right!"  I did not take that as an insult, but recall giving a little laugh and explaining: "Well, it's a French word."   0:)

No, there was no foreign language requirement - even back then - for a doctorate in Education.  And - even back then - Education professors were considered the bottom of academia's pecking order.

At about age 30 I considered switching careers and becoming a teacher. I therefore audited the few courses necessary to gain certification at our local state university.
The quickest way to describe the experience would be to invoke Shaw's jibe that those who can, do; those who can not, teach and invite the reader to reflect on what that implies regarding those who teach the art of teaching.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 25, 2019, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: JBS on September 25, 2019, 04:57:53 PM
At about age 30 I considered switching careers and becoming a teacher. I therefore audited the few courses necessary to gain certification at our local state university.
The quickest way to describe the experience would be to invoke Shaw's jibe that those who can, do; those who can not, teach and invite the reader to reflect on what that implies regarding those who teach the art of teaching.
My mother was briefly a teacher. Her saying was "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; those who can't teach, teach teachers." She last taught in 1955. I remember that saying from when I was a child.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 26, 2019, 04:32:31 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 25, 2019, 05:13:44 PM
My mother was briefly a teacher. Her saying was "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; those who can't teach, teach teachers." She last taught in 1955. I remember that saying from when I was a child.

I would add a corollary: "Those who think they are the best teachers, but are actually the worst, often become administrators." 

MRS. CATO IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT!!! :D 8)

There is a case to be made for using a medieval approach for teacher training, i.e. an apprenticeship-and-journeyman process.  First, however, the best teachers must be identified, and there are so many awful ones it could be difficult.  ;)

I always kept in mind the best teachers in my past, and tried to model my style upon theirs, while also inventing techniques of my own along the way.

As a general rule, no sports coaches/teachers should ever be imitated!  (In my nearly 50-year career I have found less than a handful of coaches who were decent teachers, and less than a handful of administrators who could handle a classroom.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 26, 2019, 08:28:50 AM
Quote from: Cato on September 26, 2019, 04:32:31 AM
I would add a corollary: "Those who think they are the best teachers, but are actually the worst, often become administrators." 

MRS. CATO IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT!!! :D 8)

There is a case to be made for using a medieval approach for teacher training, i.e. an apprenticeship-and-journeyman process.  First, however, the best teachers must be identified, and there are so many awful ones it could be difficult.  ;)

I always kept in mind the best teachers in my past, and tried to model my style upon theirs, while also inventing techniques of my own along the way.

As a general rule, no sports coaches/teachers should ever be imitated!  (In my nearly 50-year career I have found less than a handful of coaches who were decent teachers, and less than a handful of administrators who could handle a classroom.)

Some of the worst teachers I knew in my 40 year teaching career ended up as school inspectors. One reason why I have no respect for school inspectors.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on September 26, 2019, 08:48:19 AM
Is there not some Management Law somewhere which states that one is promoted to the level of one's incompetence?  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 26, 2019, 08:55:12 AM
Quote from: aligreto on September 26, 2019, 08:48:19 AM
Is there not some Management Law somewhere which states that one is promoted to the level of one's incompetence?  ;D

YES!!!  It was in a book called The Peter Principle from the 1960's or early 1970's.

See:

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peter-principle.asp (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peter-principle.asp)

A wise old teacher, who had worked as a newspaper editor, once remarked that any local news item about a teacher becoming a principal or administrator of any kind would never have the word "promotion."  The policy was to describe the change as a "re-assignment" or a "new assignment."   0:)

I always liked that!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on September 26, 2019, 09:14:52 AM
But if you apply the Peter Principle here, the conclusion would be that the teachers who move to administrative positions, school inspectors and such, is that they were competent teachers, perhaps more so than the others. Which is clearly not true in many cases.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 26, 2019, 09:15:49 AM
Quote from: aligreto on September 26, 2019, 08:48:19 AM
Is there not some Management Law somewhere which states that one is promoted to the level of one's incompetence?  ;D

The Peter Principle, I think.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 26, 2019, 09:16:44 AM
Quote from: North Star on September 26, 2019, 09:14:52 AM
But if you apply the Peter Principle here, the conclusion would be that the teachers who move to administrative positions, school inspectors and such, is that they were competent teachers, perhaps more so than the others. Which is clearly not true in many cases.


Surgically done.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on September 26, 2019, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: North Star on September 26, 2019, 09:14:52 AM
But if you apply the Peter Principle here, the conclusion would be that the teachers who move to administrative positions, school inspectors and such, is that they were competent teachers, perhaps more so than the others. Which is clearly not true in many cases.

Mr Peter had been promoted shortly before he formulated his principle.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on September 26, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: North Star on September 26, 2019, 09:14:52 AM
But if you apply the Peter Principle here, the conclusion would be that the teachers who move to administrative positions, school inspectors and such, is that they were competent teachers, perhaps more so than the others. Which is clearly not true in many cases.

I had not thought of the Peter Principle that way before Karlo  8)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 26, 2019, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: North Star on September 26, 2019, 09:14:52 AM
But if you apply the Peter Principle here, the conclusion would be that the teachers who move to administrative positions, school inspectors and such, is that they were competent teachers, perhaps more so than the others. Which is clearly not true in many cases.

Not quite. Actually, the correct conclusion would be not that they were competent teachers, but that as teachers they were not incompetent enough.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on September 30, 2019, 03:30:40 AM
I haven't posted in a very long time, but this thread has taken a turn of special interest to me. As someone who has gone from teaching to administration (one reason why my GMG time has become more limited), I've discovered a troubling trend here and I'm curious to know if it exists elsewhere.
  Whenever I've had to hire a new art teacher for the district, a large number of very qualified candidates have applied and the selection process has been difficult due to the excellent credentials and impressive interviews of the individuals.  Recent openings in our music department, though, have elicited a minimal number of responses meeting the necessary criteria for the positions. Given that there are numerous good college level institutions with music education programs within a very small radius to where I am (New England Conservatory, Boston Conservatory, Berklee, Boston University, UMass Boston and Lowell, Gordon College, and others), I'm worried about the future of music education in our schools. I hope this is just a temporary anomaly and not indicative of things to come.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 30, 2019, 06:59:09 AM
Quote from: Szykneij on September 30, 2019, 03:30:40 AM
I haven't posted in a very long time, but this thread has taken a turn of special interest to me. As someone who has gone from teaching to administration (one reason why my GMG time has become more limited), I've discovered a troubling trend here and I'm curious to know if it exists elsewhere.
  Whenever I've had to hire a new art teacher for the district, a large number of very qualified candidates have applied and the selection process has been difficult due to the excellent credentials and impressive interviews of the individuals.  Recent openings in our music department, though, have elicited a minimal number of responses meeting the necessary criteria for the positions. Given that there are numerous good college level institutions with music education programs within a very small radius to where I am (New England Conservatory, Boston Conservatory, Berklee, Boston University, UMass Boston and Lowell, Gordon College, and others), I'm worried about the future of music education in our schools. I hope this is just a temporary anomaly and not indicative of things to come.

Hey, there, Tony!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 30, 2019, 07:18:56 AM
Quote from: Szykneij on September 30, 2019, 03:30:40 AM
I haven't posted in a very long time, but this thread has taken a turn of special interest to me. As someone who has gone from teaching to administration (one reason why my GMG time has become more limited), I've discovered a troubling trend here and I'm curious to know if it exists elsewhere.
  Whenever I've had to hire a new art teacher for the district, a large number of very qualified candidates have applied and the selection process has been difficult due to the excellent credentials and impressive interviews of the individuals.  Recent openings in our music department, though, have elicited a minimal number of responses meeting the necessary criteria for the positions. Given that there are numerous good college level institutions with music education programs within a very small radius to where I am (New England Conservatory, Boston Conservatory, Berklee, Boston University, UMass Boston and Lowell, Gordon College, and others), I'm worried about the future of music education in our schools. I hope this is just a temporary anomaly and not indicative of things to come.

I assume you are looking for grade-school or high-school Music teachers?

My Catholic grade school hired a new young first-year teacher last year: she jumped right in and was a sterling success, proven by her ability to mount a Disney musical with over 40 kids in the cast in her first year with no prior experience!

However...

She has told me that she accumulated $120,000 in student debt at a public university: one Math book for a course which was required for General Education requirements cost...$600.00.   :o  Absolutely ridiculous, and telling me that the professor involved was an idiot and a mumser!

Anyway, the result - according to her - is that few are going into Music to become teachers or professors: the pay just makes it illogical as a career choice.

Why Art teachers, who might (one would assume) suffer the same fate, are NOT scarce in your area is difficult to explain: perhaps they have skills to be used in advertising, computer design, etc.(?)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2019, 07:38:51 AM
Quote from: Szykneij on September 30, 2019, 03:30:40 AM
I haven't posted in a very long time, but this thread has taken a turn of special interest to me. As someone who has gone from teaching to administration (one reason why my GMG time has become more limited), I've discovered a troubling trend here and I'm curious to know if it exists elsewhere.
  Whenever I've had to hire a new art teacher for the district, a large number of very qualified candidates have applied and the selection process has been difficult due to the excellent credentials and impressive interviews of the individuals.  Recent openings in our music department, though, have elicited a minimal number of responses meeting the necessary criteria for the positions. Given that there are numerous good college level institutions with music education programs within a very small radius to where I am (New England Conservatory, Boston Conservatory, Berklee, Boston University, UMass Boston and Lowell, Gordon College, and others), I'm worried about the future of music education in our schools. I hope this is just a temporary anomaly and not indicative of things to come.
Good to see you back here. I was aware that you hadn't posted for a long time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on September 30, 2019, 07:40:10 AM
Hi Cato -

Yes, grade school and high school level. I'm glad to hear of your school's success.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on September 30, 2019, 07:40:54 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 30, 2019, 06:59:09 AM
Hey, there, Tony!

Hi, Karl!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on September 30, 2019, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 30, 2019, 07:38:51 AM
Good to see you back here. I was aware that you hadn't posted for a long time.

Thanks, and thanks for noticing. I never really left, but limited myself to reading without posting.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on September 30, 2019, 11:55:31 AM
Good to see you, Tony!

The grammatician in me feels obliged to point out the correct spelling is mamzer  with a zayin, not mumser with a samekh.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 30, 2019, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: JBS on September 30, 2019, 11:55:31 AM
Good to see you, Tony!

The grammatician in me feels obliged to point out the correct spelling is mamzer  with a zayin, not mumser with a samekh.

Oy!  Transliteration, translottaration!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 02, 2019, 03:05:33 AM
What happened to RebLem? He was last active in January (!). I hope he's fine. His posts were always informative and interesting.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on October 02, 2019, 05:01:48 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 02, 2019, 03:05:33 AM
What happened to RebLem? He was last active in January (!). I hope he's fine. His posts were always informative and interesting.

He used to be active in CMG too, but nor has he visited that site since 20.jan.19, about the same time as here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on October 11, 2019, 11:23:54 PM
Did Mirror Image leave GMG forever?  I miss his illuminating posts and continuous buying frenzy of interesting recordings!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 11, 2019, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on October 11, 2019, 11:23:54 PM
Did Mirror Image leave GMG forever?  I miss his illuminating posts and continuous buying frenzy of interesting recordings!

Quite possible. One shit got very nasty to John. Very. Not just to John either. Like a belligerent drunk and made a moderator from the same city feel threatened.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 12, 2019, 03:03:54 AM
Quote from: Ken B on October 11, 2019, 11:59:31 PM
Quite possible. One shit got very nasty to John. Very. Not just to John either. Like a belligerent drunk and made a moderator from the same city feel threatened.

Very much agree with you. The level of unkindness was extreme and I remember thinking at the time that John would probably not return to the forum. I miss him as he was a good and very generous friend and we shared similar musical tastes. I also found cilgwyn's sudden deletion of his membership, without any obvious reason, to be dispiriting. In the case of John (MI) his disappearance was sadly unsurprising.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 12, 2019, 06:58:43 AM
+1. I've been on the receiving end of his drunken diatribes too but simply ignored him.

Now that the shit is gone, maybe John will consider coming back?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 12, 2019, 07:25:18 AM
Quote from: André on October 12, 2019, 06:58:43 AM
+1. I've been on the receiving end of his drunken diatribes too but simply ignored him.

Now that the shit is gone, maybe John will consider coming back?

Sad to say, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 12, 2019, 09:05:44 AM
Quote from: Ken B on October 12, 2019, 07:25:18 AM
Sad to say, I doubt it.

Me too - but it would be nice if he did return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 12, 2019, 10:17:50 AM
I also miss MI's posts, though I confess he likes to drawn attention when always says he leaves the site.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 12, 2019, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: André on October 12, 2019, 06:58:43 AM
+1. I've been on the receiving end of his drunken diatribes too but simply ignored him.

Now that the shit is gone, maybe John will consider coming back?

Quote from: Ken B on October 12, 2019, 07:25:18 AM
Sad to say, I doubt it.

That's too bad.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on October 12, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Lest we forget, MI behaved very badly towards certain members, and moderators, so I think it is wrong to glorify his postings in such grandiose terms.
I miss some of his postings, but certainly not all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 12, 2019, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on October 12, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Lest we forget, MI behaved very badly towards certain members, and moderators, so I think it is wrong to glorify his postings in such grandiose terms.
I miss some of his postings, but certainly not all.
I take your point Harry but I'm not sure that anyone here was 'glorifying' his posting in 'grandiose terms' but just missing his contributions and shared interests. There are others too, like Pohjola's Daughter, whose contributions I miss as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 12, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on October 12, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Lest we forget, MI behaved very badly towards certain members, and moderators, so I think it is wrong to glorify his postings in such grandiose terms.
I miss some of his postings, but certainly not all.

Point taken, Harry, and I have had the odd tussle with John, myself. I am not glorifying him, just registering the fact that I do miss him. Not desperately, it is true, but . . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 12, 2019, 11:00:42 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on October 12, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Lest we forget, MI behaved very badly towards certain members, and moderators,

He did, yes, but he also acknowledged being in the wrong and apologized when he was rebuked. Kind of like myself.  :D

I do hope he'll return one day.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 12, 2019, 01:16:42 PM
There's a difference between being illbehaved and evil.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on October 12, 2019, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: The new erato on October 12, 2019, 01:16:42 PM
There's a difference between being illbehaved and evil.

That's obvious isn't it? I did not say he was evil, but ill behaved he was certainly. I am amazed that almost everyone seems to have a excuse for MI behaviour.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 12, 2019, 01:32:51 PM
It was evil that drove him off the board. Bad manners can be excused or rectified.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 12, 2019, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: The new erato on October 12, 2019, 01:32:51 PM
It was evil that drove him off the board. Bad manners can be excused or rectified.

Yes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 12, 2019, 02:22:29 PM
Quote from: The new erato on October 12, 2019, 01:32:51 PM
It was evil that drove him off the board. Bad manners can be excused or rectified.

This.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 12, 2019, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: "Harry" on October 12, 2019, 01:30:20 PM
That's obvious isn't it? I did not say he was evil, but ill behaved he was certainly. I am amazed that almost everyone seems to have a excuse for MI behaviour.

I hope you do not see my reply as excusing or condoning the downside of his behavior.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Andante on October 12, 2019, 08:20:19 PM
Hi Guys, I just thought I should say hi and to add that I have not been banned or packed it in just needed a spell away from the PC for a while but I have lurked now and again, sorry to spoil your day   :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 12, 2019, 11:52:24 PM
Quote from: Andante on October 12, 2019, 08:20:19 PM
Hi Guys, I just thought I should say hi and to add that I have not been banned or packed it in just needed a spell away from the PC for a while but I have lurked now and again, sorry to spoil your day   :laugh:

Pleased to see you back here.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 13, 2019, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on October 12, 2019, 10:17:50 AM
I also miss MI's posts, though I confess he likes to drawn attention when always says he leaves the site.

I kind of miss his emotional farewell parties....  8)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 13, 2019, 09:42:20 AM
Quote from: Andante on October 12, 2019, 08:20:19 PM
Hi Guys, I just thought I should say hi and to add that I have not been banned or packed it in just needed a spell away from the PC for a while but I have lurked now and again, sorry to spoil your day   :laugh:

Welcome back, anyway!  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 13, 2019, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Que on October 13, 2019, 12:10:07 AM
I kind of miss his emotional farewell parties....  8)

Q

And if you missed one there was another just a few weeks later.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Andante on October 13, 2019, 08:23:52 PM
Thanks very much Vandermolen and  k a rl h e nn i ng I will become part of GMG again and am sorry to see MI has departed he was OK as far as I am concerned.
Chow for now,  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:33:22 AM
Hello All,

Allow me to say how sorry I am that I have been gone for these past 3-4 months (or however long it has been), but I've been pursuing some other musical interests as I often do throughout the year but I'm back into classical music now it seems full-time. There is no greater forum for classical music than GMG --- I have been a member of many other forums and none of them match the friendliness, openness, and sheer passion that the members of this forum display on a daily basis. Due to the circumstances of my departure, I have reevaluated the main reason as to why I didn't come back and that was the sheer viciousness shown towards me from a former member. It stung quite deeply and I figured it would be a good idea to 'let the dust settle' so to speak before I actually return.

To those wondering about my Facebook page, I have deleted it and I don't plan on returning to that site as I felt I was really gaining nothing from it besides being able to chat with many members of this forum there, but that wasn't enough for me to keep it up. Anyway, it's good to be back and I might be slower to respond this time around, but I know I have a lot of reading to do to catch up with what everyone has been listening to.

I'll see you all around,



John (Mirror Image)

P.S. Quickly browsing through the more recent posts on this thread, it's good to see many members who have returned: Moonfish (Peter), Andante, etc. Welcome back, gents!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on October 14, 2019, 06:36:46 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:33:22 AM
Hello All,

Allow me to say how sorry I am that I have been gone for these past 3-4 months (or however long it has been), but I've been pursuing some other musical interests as I often do throughout the year but I'm back into classical music now it seems full-time. There is no greater forum for classical music than GMG --- I have been a member of many other forums and none of them match the friendliness, openness, and sheer passion that the members of this forum do. Due to the circumstances of my departure, I have reevaluated the main reason as to why I didn't come back and that was the sheer viciousness shown towards me from a former member. It stung quite deeply and I figured it would be a good idea to 'let the dust settle' so to speak before I actually return.

To those wondering about my Facebook page, I have deleted and I don't plan on returning to that site as I felt I was really gaining nothing from it besides being able to chat with many members of this forum there, but that wasn't enough for me to keep it up. Anyway, it's good to be back and I might be slower to respond this time around as around, but I know I have a lot of post reading to do to catch up with what everyone has been listening to.

I'll see you all around,



John (Mirror Image)

P.S. Quickly browsing through the more recent posts on this thread, it's good to see many members who have returned: Moonfish (Peter), Andante, etc. Welcome back, gents!
Welcome back, John! You were missed by many of us (including, of course, me), and it's great to have you back!

Warm regards from Spain,

Rafael
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:38:26 AM
Thank you, Rafael! It's good to see you're still hanging around here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 14, 2019, 06:43:35 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:33:22 AM
Hello All,

Allow me to say how sorry I am that I have been gone for these past 3-4 months (or however long it has been), but I've been pursuing some other musical interests as I often do throughout the year but I'm back into classical music now it seems full-time. There is no greater forum for classical music than GMG --- I have been a member of many other forums and none of them match the friendliness, openness, and sheer passion that the members of this forum display on a daily basis. Due to the circumstances of my departure, I have reevaluated the main reason as to why I didn't come back and that was the sheer viciousness shown towards me from a former member. It stung quite deeply and I figured it would be a good idea to 'let the dust settle' so to speak before I actually return.

To those wondering about my Facebook page, I have deleted it and I don't plan on returning to that site as I felt I was really gaining nothing from it besides being able to chat with many members of this forum there, but that wasn't enough for me to keep it up. Anyway, it's good to be back and I might be slower to respond this time around, but I know I have a lot of reading to do to catch up with what everyone has been listening to.

I'll see you all around,



John (Mirror Image)

P.S. Quickly browsing through the more recent posts on this thread, it's good to see many members who have returned: Moonfish (Peter), Andante, etc. Welcome back, gents!

Welcome back home, John!

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/xTk9ZHdwzaKXJ15LSE/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 14, 2019, 06:52:09 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:33:22 AM
Hello All,

Allow me to say how sorry I am that I have been gone for these past 3-4 months (or however long it has been), but I've been pursuing some other musical interests as I often do throughout the year but I'm back into classical music now it seems full-time. There is no greater forum for classical music than GMG --- I have been a member of many other forums and none of them match the friendliness, openness, and sheer passion that the members of this forum display on a daily basis. Due to the circumstances of my departure, I have reevaluated the main reason as to why I didn't come back and that was the sheer viciousness shown towards me from a former member. It stung quite deeply and I figured it would be a good idea to 'let the dust settle' so to speak before I actually return.

To those wondering about my Facebook page, I have deleted it and I don't plan on returning to that site as I felt I was really gaining nothing from it besides being able to chat with many members of this forum there, but that wasn't enough for me to keep it up. Anyway, it's good to be back and I might be slower to respond this time around, but I know I have a lot of reading to do to catch up with what everyone has been listening to.

I'll see you all around,



John (Mirror Image)

P.S. Quickly browsing through the more recent posts on this thread, it's good to see many members who have returned: Moonfish (Peter), Andante, etc. Welcome back, gents!

Welcome back, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 14, 2019, 07:25:03 AM
Welcome back John.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 07:26:56 AM
Thank you, all! 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on October 14, 2019, 07:38:22 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 07:26:56 AM
Thank you, all! 8)

I had a feeling you would show up if we started to discuss how much we missed you!    :)

Let's see - it took two days!    >:D

Glad to see you back in the realm of classical music. I agree with your sentiment - I never really liked the discussions/format elsewhere. GMG is a nice place to discover and ponder music in good and wise company.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on October 14, 2019, 07:42:21 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on October 14, 2019, 07:38:22 AM
I had a feeling you would show up if we started to discuss how much we missed you!    :)

Let's see - it took two days!    >:D

Just a public service warning for GMGers. Do not say "Moonfish" backwards three times. Do NOT.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 14, 2019, 07:47:38 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on October 14, 2019, 07:38:22 AM
GMG is a nice place to discover and ponder music in good and wise company.

The best such place hands down.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 07:51:42 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 14, 2019, 07:47:38 AM
The best such place hands down.

+1 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 14, 2019, 08:40:42 AM
Looking forward to read your posts, John!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 14, 2019, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:33:22 AM
Hello All,

Allow me to say how sorry I am that I have been gone for these past 3-4 months (or however long it has been), but I've been pursuing some other musical interests as I often do throughout the year but I'm back into classical music now it seems full-time. There is no greater forum for classical music than GMG --- I have been a member of many other forums and none of them match the friendliness, openness, and sheer passion that the members of this forum display on a daily basis. Due to the circumstances of my departure, I have reevaluated the main reason as to why I didn't come back and that was the sheer viciousness shown towards me from a former member. It stung quite deeply and I figured it would be a good idea to 'let the dust settle' so to speak before I actually return.

To those wondering about my Facebook page, I have deleted it and I don't plan on returning to that site as I felt I was really gaining nothing from it besides being able to chat with many members of this forum there, but that wasn't enough for me to keep it up. Anyway, it's good to be back and I might be slower to respond this time around, but I know I have a lot of reading to do to catch up with what everyone has been listening to.

I'll see you all around,



John (Mirror Image)

P.S. Quickly browsing through the more recent posts on this thread, it's good to see many members who have returned: Moonfish (Peter), Andante, etc. Welcome back, gents!
Nice to see you again John, You were missed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 14, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
Wait, wait, who on earth here was "evil"?!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 14, 2019, 10:01:52 AM
Welcome back, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 14, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
Welcome back, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on October 14, 2019, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: Brian on October 14, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
Wait, wait, who on earth here was "evil"?!

...he asked, twirling his mustache diabolically.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 14, 2019, 12:09:26 PM
Quote from: Pat B on October 14, 2019, 12:01:51 PM
...he asked, twirling his mustache diabolically.

Snidely Whiplash!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Andante on October 14, 2019, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: Ken B on October 14, 2019, 07:42:21 AM
Just a public service warning for GMGers. Do not say "Moonfish" backwards three times. Do NOT.

Lets see, I could not pronounce it backwards so is it OK to write it backwards hsifnoom I tried to google it and came up with a page in Chinese and I think it is the name of a young male blogger, is it your own good self Ken aka  hsifnoom  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 12:37:55 PM
Quote from: André on October 14, 2019, 08:40:42 AM
Looking forward to read your posts, John!  :)
Quote from: The new erato on October 14, 2019, 09:35:37 AM
Nice to see you again John, You were missed.
Quote from: JBS on October 14, 2019, 10:01:52 AM
Welcome back, John!
Quote from: North Star on October 14, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
Welcome back, John!

Thank you all very much! It means a lot to me. And, Karlo, I miss our chats on Facebook, but please know that you're still my favorite Finn. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on October 14, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
Allow me to join the chorus welcoming you back, John! (I knew you'd return eventually. :))
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on October 14, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
Allow me to join the chorus welcoming you back, John! (I knew you'd return eventually. :))

Thanks, Alex! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 14, 2019, 11:55:25 PM
At last some good MI news in the 'Missing Members' section!

A big welcome back from me too John.

:)

I missed your Grand Return yesterday as I was attending the London premiere of James MacMillan's 5th Symphony.

0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 15, 2019, 04:16:01 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 14, 2019, 11:55:25 PM
At last some good MI news in the 'Missing Members' section!

A big welcome back from me too John.

:)

I missed your Grand Return yesterday as I was attending the London premiere of James MacMillan's 5th Symphony.

0:)

Well, if I were the person in authority (which I am not), I'd consider you excused.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 15, 2019, 04:49:33 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 12:37:55 PM
Thank you all very much! It means a lot to me.

Mirror Image John is back!!!

Should I crank up some Czech music?   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 15, 2019, 04:50:15 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 15, 2019, 04:16:01 AM
Well, if I were the person in authority (which I am not), I'd consider you excused.

Cheers Karl ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 15, 2019, 06:10:42 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 14, 2019, 11:55:25 PM
At last some good MI news in the 'Missing Members' section!

A big welcome back from me too John.

:)

I missed your Grand Return yesterday as I was attending the London premiere of James MacMillan's 5th Symphony.

0:)

Thanks, Jeffrey!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 17, 2019, 05:23:28 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:33:22 AM
Hello All,

Allow me to say how sorry I am that I have been gone for these past 3-4 months (or however long it has been), but I've been pursuing some other musical interests as I often do throughout the year but I'm back into classical music now it seems full-time. There is no greater forum for classical music than GMG --- I have been a member of many other forums and none of them match the friendliness, openness, and sheer passion that the members of this forum display on a daily basis. Due to the circumstances of my departure, I have reevaluated the main reason as to why I didn't come back and that was the sheer viciousness shown towards me from a former member. It stung quite deeply and I figured it would be a good idea to 'let the dust settle' so to speak before I actually return.

To those wondering about my Facebook page, I have deleted it and I don't plan on returning to that site as I felt I was really gaining nothing from it besides being able to chat with many members of this forum there, but that wasn't enough for me to keep it up. Anyway, it's good to be back and I might be slower to respond this time around, but I know I have a lot of reading to do to catch up with what everyone has been listening to.

I'll see you all around,



John (Mirror Image)

P.S. Quickly browsing through the more recent posts on this thread, it's good to see many members who have returned: Moonfish (Peter), Andante, etc. Welcome back, gents!

Good to have you back and to see you around these parts again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 17, 2019, 06:10:50 AM
Quote from: aligreto on October 17, 2019, 05:23:28 AM
Good to have you back and to see you around these parts again.

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on October 17, 2019, 07:24:34 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2019, 06:33:22 AM
Hello All,

Allow me to say how sorry I am that I have been gone for these past 3-4 months (or however long it has been), but I've been pursuing some other musical interests as I often do throughout the year but I'm back into classical music now it seems full-time. There is no greater forum for classical music than GMG --- I have been a member of many other forums and none of them match the friendliness, openness, and sheer passion that the members of this forum display on a daily basis. Due to the circumstances of my departure, I have reevaluated the main reason as to why I didn't come back and that was the sheer viciousness shown towards me from a former member. It stung quite deeply and I figured it would be a good idea to 'let the dust settle' so to speak before I actually return.

To those wondering about my Facebook page, I have deleted it and I don't plan on returning to that site as I felt I was really gaining nothing from it besides being able to chat with many members of this forum there, but that wasn't enough for me to keep it up. Anyway, it's good to be back and I might be slower to respond this time around, but I know I have a lot of reading to do to catch up with what everyone has been listening to.

I'll see you all around,



John (Mirror Image)

P.S. Quickly browsing through the more recent posts on this thread, it's good to see many members who have returned: Moonfish (Peter), Andante, etc. Welcome back, gents!

John! Welcome back, my friend! I look forward to hearing from you again. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 17, 2019, 07:53:35 PM
Quote from: kyjo on October 17, 2019, 07:24:34 PM
John! Welcome back, my friend! I look forward to hearing from you again. :)

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well. The reason for my absense was because I accidentally managed to lock myself out of Gmg by messing with my account settings. That, combined with a certain unpleasant occurrence on this forum contributed to my rather long absence. But like so many temporarily quitted members, I also found my way back eventually. Don't know if anyone missed me but anyway here I am.

If you can't guess who I am, try deleting "UndHagen" from my nickname.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 28, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
Hi Alberich, welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 28, 2019, 05:57:31 PM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well. The reason for my absense was because I accidentally managed to lock myself out of Gmg by messing with my account settings. That, combined with a certain unpleasant occurrence on this forum contributed to my rather long absence. But like so many temporarily quitted members, I also found my way back eventually. Don't know if anyone missed me but anyway here I am.

If you can't guess who I am, try deleting "UndHagen" from my nickname.  ;)

We always need more members from Finland!   0:)   
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 28, 2019, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well. The reason for my absense was because I accidentally managed to lock myself out of Gmg by messing with my account settings. That, combined with a certain unpleasant occurrence on this forum contributed to my rather long absence. But like so many temporarily quitted members, I also found my way back eventually. Don't know if anyone missed me but anyway here I am.

If you can't guess who I am, try deleting "UndHagen" from my nickname.  ;)

Alberich! It's great hearing from you again! Hope you stick around this time. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on October 28, 2019, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well. The reason for my absense was because I accidentally managed to lock myself out of Gmg by messing with my account settings. That, combined with a certain unpleasant occurrence on this forum contributed to my rather long absence. But like so many temporarily quitted members, I also found my way back eventually. Don't know if anyone missed me but anyway here I am.

If you can't guess who I am, try deleting "UndHagen" from my nickname.  ;)

Can I call you Hagen?    :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 28, 2019, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well. The reason for my absense was because I accidentally managed to lock myself out of Gmg by messing with my account settings. That, combined with a certain unpleasant occurrence on this forum contributed to my rather long absence. But like so many temporarily quitted members, I also found my way back eventually. Don't know if anyone missed me but anyway here I am.

If you can't guess who I am, try deleting "UndHagen" from my nickname.  ;)

Welcome back!  :)

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 29, 2019, 01:29:09 AM
Quote from: Cato on October 28, 2019, 05:57:31 PM
We always need more members from Finland!   0:)

Definitely! Welcome back from me too.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 29, 2019, 01:30:38 AM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well. The reason for my absense was because I accidentally managed to lock myself out of Gmg by messing with my account settings. That, combined with a certain unpleasant occurrence on this forum contributed to my rather long absence. But like so many temporarily quitted members, I also found my way back eventually. Don't know if anyone missed me but anyway here I am.

If you can't guess who I am, try deleting "UndHagen" from my nickname.  ;)

Welcome back --- and don't forget to bring Miss Piggy back too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 29, 2019, 02:01:49 AM
And another welcome back from me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on October 29, 2019, 05:19:39 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on October 28, 2019, 10:29:19 PM
Can I call you Hagen?    :P

Go ahead. :) As a matter of fact, I tried first to make comeback under nickname of Hagen, but I couldn't receive my activation email no matter how many times I requested it. That was one of the main reasons for my absence but eventually I was adviced To use Yahoo mail instead and sure enough, this time it worked. In fact, maybe my new nickname is for the better because why take only Alberich or only Hagen when you could have them both!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on October 29, 2019, 05:22:20 AM
Also, thank you for the welcoming committee, guys!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 29, 2019, 06:55:44 AM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well. The reason for my absense was because I accidentally managed to lock myself out of Gmg by messing with my account settings. That, combined with a certain unpleasant occurrence on this forum contributed to my rather long absence. But like so many temporarily quitted members, I also found my way back eventually. Don't know if anyone missed me but anyway here I am.

If you can't guess who I am, try deleting "UndHagen" from my nickname.  ;)

Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on October 29, 2019, 07:06:22 AM
Thanks, Karl!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: j winter on October 29, 2019, 07:40:47 AM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 29, 2019, 05:19:39 AM
Go ahead. :) As a matter of fact, I tried first to make comeback under nickname of Hagen, but I couldn't receive my activation email no matter how many times I requested it. That was one of the main reasons for my absence but eventually I was adviced To use Yahoo mail instead and sure enough, this time it worked. In fact, maybe my new nickname is for the better because why take only Alberich or only Hagen when you could have them both!  8)

That's the exact same thing that happened to me -- I edited the profile of my old account to change the email address from Yahoo to hotmail, and I've been locked out of that account ever since.  I finally created a new account using my old yahoo email, and that worked.

Anyhoo, welcome!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on October 29, 2019, 08:00:19 AM
Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 29, 2019, 09:46:45 AM
Great to see several absent members have come back. Now, if just cilgwyn did the same.  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 29, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on October 29, 2019, 09:46:45 AM
Great to see several absent members have come back. Now, if just cilgwyn did the same.  :(

+1
I did enjoy his unique contributions so much.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 29, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on October 28, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
I'm back finally, as well...

Good to see you, one of our few Wagnerites, back with us again!

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 29, 2019, 01:35:58 PM
Quote from: aligreto on October 29, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
+1
I did enjoy his unique contributions so much.

Utterly unique, and he was always a great read. I miss him.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on October 29, 2019, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 29, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Good to see you, one of our few Wagnerites, back with us again!

Sarge

I like Wagner!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 29, 2019, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on October 29, 2019, 09:46:45 AM
Great to see several absent members have come back. Now, if just cilgwyn did the same.  :(

Absolutely! I miss his posts with their contextual information very much. I found his inexplicable departure disconcerting. I'm ever hopeful that Pohjola's Daughter will find her way out of Tuonela as well.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 01, 2019, 09:35:02 PM
What happened to Muzio?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on November 01, 2019, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: Ken B on November 01, 2019, 09:35:02 PM
What happened to Muzio?

He offered some trolling just yesterday.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: schnittkease on November 01, 2019, 10:21:46 PM
Which was the post that pushed him over the edge?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on November 17, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
Just noticed, after going back to the "Blown Away" thread to talk to Cato and SymphonicAddict about Sibelius 7, that the latter has left us.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on November 17, 2019, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: DaveF on November 17, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
Just noticed.... SymphonicAddict.... has left us.

That is a pity. I liked SymphonicAddict's contributions. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 17, 2019, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: aligreto on November 17, 2019, 12:32:48 PM
That is a pity. I liked SymphonicAddict's contributions.

Very sad!  What happened?   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on November 17, 2019, 03:19:16 PM
 ??? :o :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 17, 2019, 06:08:09 PM
Oh dear! I was very alarmed to log in today to see Cesar (SymphonicAddict) listed as a Guest! What on earth happened to him?! ??? :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2019, 06:47:55 PM
What?!?!? SymphonicAddict is gone? :-\ That's really a shame. I liked his posts a lot and I truly felt that I was getting closer to him with the Sibelius chats we had. I do hope he reconsiders and comes back, but, in the meantime, he will be missed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on November 17, 2019, 09:28:57 PM
Maybe he encountered one of the GMG trolls....? 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Irons on November 17, 2019, 11:36:20 PM
Alarmed to hear that Symphonic Addict has left. He possessed a deep knowledge of music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 17, 2019, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 17, 2019, 06:47:55 PM
What?!?!? SymphonicAddict is gone? :-\ That's really a shame. I liked his posts a lot... I do hope he reconsiders and comes back, but, in the meantime, he will be missed.

+ 1.

I can't imagine what could have made him take such a radical decision. This is very similar to cylgwin's departure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 18, 2019, 06:07:59 AM
To briefly answer (not!) the questions concerning the departure of SA, all I can say is that he left behind no manifesto with the Mods declaring his intentions, nor blaming it all on MI & Florestan, or any such thing. I read his latest posts and detected no sign of discord. Best thing is to not speculate, since there is little to go by, and if you received info in a private message, remember it's private for a reason. Perhaps he will return as abruptly as he left, perhaps he won't... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 18, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
That is so sad. As with cilgwyn there is no obvious reason I can think of. I really enjoyed the exchanges with Cesar. Maybe there's a secret GMG defectors group somewhere in the outer fringes of cyber-space featuring cilgwyn, Symphonic Addict and Pohjola's Daughter etcetera.
:(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 18, 2019, 06:36:13 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 18, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
That is so sad. As with cilgwyn there is no obvious reason I can think of. I really enjoyed the exchanges with Cesar. Maybe there's a secret GMG defectors group somewhere in the outer fringes of cyber-space featuring cilgwyn, Symphonic Addict and Pohjola's Daughter etcetera.
:(

That would be interesting ---- my only is Luke, Octave, and Dancing Divertimentian are there as well. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 18, 2019, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 18, 2019, 06:36:13 AM
That would be interesting ---- my only is Luke, Octave, and Dancing Divertimentian are there as well. :)
Not to mention Lethevich and many others.
:(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 18, 2019, 08:24:48 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 18, 2019, 07:22:20 AM
Not to mention Lethevich and many others.
:(

Yes, how I miss Lethevich --- I haven't thought about her in years. What a smart member she was!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 18, 2019, 02:34:11 PM
I have tried several times (and I think Karl has also) to persuade Luke Ottevanger to return.  His wife offers a few hints about what's happening with the family on FaceBook, where he also is silent.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on November 18, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 18, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
That is so sad. As with cilgwyn there is no obvious reason I can think of. I really enjoyed the exchanges with Cesar. Maybe there's a secret GMG defectors group somewhere in the outer fringes of cyber-space featuring cilgwyn, Symphonic Addict and Pohjola's Daughter etcetera.
:(
+ 1, you think so?

BTW, I always felt that anonymousness here - I myself find it very hard to recall who's whom, which musical friend is hiding behind each of these masks, not to mention proper names - has also contributed to the easiness with which some of us tend to disappear again. Even after years, one is hardly 'known' here except by an active inner circle, consisting of no more than two dozens of members, IMHO.  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 18, 2019, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: Christo on November 18, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
+ 1, you think so?

BTW, I always felt that anonymousness here - I myself find it very hard to recall who's whom, which musical friend is hiding behind each of these masks, not to mention proper names - has also contributed to the easiness with which some of us tend to disappear again. Even after years, one is hardly 'known' here except by an active inner circle, consisting of no more than two dozens of members, IMHO.  ::)

Unfortunately, it's quite true that there's only a handful of members who actually know who the other is whether it is from a Facebook page or they have actually met in the real world. It is difficult to get beyond the avatars with so many members fading in and out, but, at the very least, we can identify each other, especially those who have been members of the forum for a number years.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 18, 2019, 08:10:32 PM
I believe SA is active on another classical forum under a different name, so I messaged him there asking about his whereabouts and telling him that we all miss him already! Hopefully he responds...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 18, 2019, 08:33:22 PM
Quote from: kyjo on November 18, 2019, 08:10:32 PM
I believe SA is active on another classical forum under a different name, so I messaged him there asking about his whereabouts and telling him that we all miss him already! Hopefully he responds...

Very good. Crossing our fingers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 19, 2019, 12:34:01 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 18, 2019, 08:33:22 PM
Very good. Crossing our fingers.
+1
Yes, well done Kyle and thank you for doing that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on November 19, 2019, 04:55:38 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 18, 2019, 08:24:48 AM
Yes, how I miss Lethevich --- I haven't thought about her in years. What a smart member she was!
She was, and I enjoyed her contributions very much. Yet always felt that 'she' was hiding another identity behind her well-kept mask.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 19, 2019, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: Christo on November 19, 2019, 04:55:38 AM
She was, and I enjoyed her contributions very much. Yet always felt that 'she' was hiding another identity behind her well-kept mask.  ;D

Well, the impersonal nature of any forum is bound to make one feel that way. Like, for example, you really don't know who I am even if we are friends on Facebook. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on November 19, 2019, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 19, 2019, 08:59:15 AM
Well, the impersonal nature of any forum is bound to make one feel that way. Like, for example, you really don't know who I am even if we are friends on Facebook. ;)
I would still recognize you if I met you in the dark of night in the big shouq of Bangalore.  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on November 19, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
Quote from: Christo on November 19, 2019, 09:28:25 AM
I would still recognize you if I met you in the dark of night in the big shouq of Bangalore.  ???

The guy carrying 17 iPods?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 19, 2019, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: Christo on November 19, 2019, 09:28:25 AM
I would still recognize you if I met you in the dark of night in the big shouq of Bangalore.  ???

You're probably right! :D

Quote from: Ratliff on November 19, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
The guy carrying 17 iPods?


Yep, that would be me! Classical on-the-go is always a nice idea. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 19, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
This forum sure does feel a bit more empty without SymphonicAddict here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on November 19, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: Ratliff on November 19, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
The guy carrying 17 iPods?

You mean the Sibelius t-shirts, pants and socks?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 19, 2019, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on November 19, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
You mean the Sibelius t-shirts, pants and socks?
John changes his shirt every time he changes his avatar. Hard to miss a guy changing four times on a twenty minute bus ride.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 19, 2019, 11:36:51 PM
Quote from: Christo on November 19, 2019, 04:55:38 AM
She was, and I enjoyed her contributions very much. Yet always felt that 'she' was hiding another identity behind her well-kept mask.  ;D
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 19, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 19, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
This forum sure does feel a bit more empty without SymphonicAddict here.
Yes and also cilgwyn as I largely shared musical tastes with the two of them. I especially miss cilgwyn's posts full of humorous contextual information about his life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on November 20, 2019, 05:15:40 AM
I am just wondering how many of you seemingly middle aged men are in reality attractive young women who see the site as a refuge from online harassment :-*.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 20, 2019, 07:30:02 AM
Quote from: Moonfish on November 19, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
You mean the Sibelius t-shirts, pants and socks?

Quote from: Ken B on November 19, 2019, 10:51:56 PM
John changes his shirt every time he changes his avatar. Hard to miss a guy changing four times on a twenty minute bus ride.

:P

Quote from: vandermolen on November 19, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
Yes and also cilgwyn as I largely shared musical tastes with the two of them. I especially miss cilgwyn's posts full of humorous contextual information about his life.

Indeed and, while cilgwyn's punctuation-challenged posts drove me crazy sometimes, they were always full of insight and, as you wrote, humor.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 20, 2019, 07:32:28 AM
Quote from: 2dogs on November 20, 2019, 05:15:40 AM
I am just wondering how many of you seemingly middle aged men are in reality attractive young women who see the site as a refuge from online harassment :-*.

If I was an attractive young woman, I definitely wouldn't even be online. I'd be getting free meals from guys who can't help but make fools of themselves in front of me. :D Oh wait, this is the usual scenario for the women I date. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 20, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 20, 2019, 07:32:28 AM
If I was an attractive young woman, I definitely wouldn't even be online. I'd be getting free meals from guys who can't help but make fools of themselves in front of me. :D Oh wait, this is the usual scenario for the women I date. ;D
Actually I am a stunningly attractive young woman. I would like to send you photos but I need to pay the taxes in Somalia first. If you just send me the money ...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on November 20, 2019, 08:43:09 AM
Quote from: Ken B on November 20, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
Actually I am a stunningly attractive young woman. I would like to send you photos but I need to pay the taxes in Somalia first. If you just send me the money ...

Taxes have been too high in Somalia ever since Yovanovitch was posted there and ruined the country...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 20, 2019, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: Ken B on November 20, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
Actually I am a stunningly attractive young woman. I would like to send you photos but I need to pay the taxes in Somalia first. If you just send me the money ...

:o Since I'm sending you some money, do I get first choice of which butt cheek I'm going to kiss first? :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 20, 2019, 10:39:07 AM
Was it Robert Newman who openly wrote about dating his students   ???   :o  ???  in China or Singapore?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 20, 2019, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: Cato on November 20, 2019, 10:39:07 AM
Was it Robert Newman who openly wrote about dating his students   ???   :o  ???  in China or Singapore?

That would be Sean, methinks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on November 20, 2019, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 20, 2019, 07:30:02 AM
:P
Indeed and, while cilgwyn's punctuation-challenged posts drove me crazy sometimes, they were always full of insight and, as you wrote, humor.
Oh, but his punctuation even more so than his stream-of-consciousness-like argument, but both of them actually, always made me feel almost at home in your language.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 20, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: Christo on November 20, 2019, 01:00:05 PM
Oh, but his punctuation even more so than his stream-of-consciousness-like argument, but both of them actually, always made me feel almost at home in your language.  :D

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 21, 2019, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 20, 2019, 07:32:28 AM
If I was an attractive young woman, I definitely wouldn't even be online. I'd be getting free meals from guys who can't help but make fools of themselves in front of me. :D Oh wait, this is the usual scenario for the women I date. ;D

LOL! :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dissily Mordentroge on November 22, 2019, 08:41:56 PM
Quote from: 2dogs on November 20, 2019, 05:15:40 AM
I am just wondering how many of you seemingly middle aged men are in reality attractive young women who see the site as a refuge from online harassment :-*.
How quaint. As an elderly old fairy I'm desperate to have any of you (seemingly?) middle aged men harrass me.
And don't try and tell me all you opera lovers are straight.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on November 22, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
Sorry, I just looked at the label in my jeans and it says "Straight" :P.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dissily Mordentroge on November 22, 2019, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: 2dogs on November 22, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
Sorry, I just looked at the label in my jeans and it says "Straight" :P.
Well then, you'd better no lose your jeans.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: jess on November 23, 2019, 02:01:57 AM
Quote from: dissily Mordentroge on November 22, 2019, 08:41:56 PM
How quaint. As an elderly old fairy I'm desperate to have any of you (seemingly?) middle aged men harrass me.
And don't try and tell me all you opera lovers are straight.
as a woman in her early 20s who is a fan of opera I can confirm with you that I am not exactly straight................
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dissily Mordentroge on November 23, 2019, 02:33:17 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 27, 2011, 05:45:58 AM

After a two year break I returned here a couple of months ago and started a number of threads about lesser-known composers: the area I mainly dealt in when I was active between 2007 and 2009.
I hope/d through these to encourage some interest in these composers.

My threads on Boris Blacher got 4 replies, Wilfred Josephs 2, Hans Gal 5, Halvor Haug 7, Randall Thompson 7 and Paul von Klenau precisely zero. Some of these replies were actually from me responding to a
comment.
There comes a point when one begins to wonder whether it is actually worth posting at all about the sort of composers who interest me :( I-frankly-am not terribly interested in commenting about the 25th version
of a Mahler symphony which someone has bought....but that is just me ;D
Being new to this site I have no idea why links aren't given to recordings on Youtube etc. Forum policy? Most of my listening is done either at live concerts or on my main system which is not connected to the web, not via Youtube etc I've found on music forums it's assists greatly to have immediate access to an example of a particular work someone is posting about. OK, the sonics may be crap and some may see handing around these links deprives artists of financial reward. Myself I have no problem with this as most of my music purchases over the last decade or so have resulted from auditioning them on sites such as Youtube. I'd be grateful if anyone can tell my why posters here only provide the graphics for recordings. Are we supposed to go out and buy/download every single one to learn what they're talking about or find out if we may or may not agree with their recommendation?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on November 23, 2019, 02:44:29 AM
Quote from: dissily Mordentroge on November 23, 2019, 02:33:17 AM
Being new to this site I have no idea why links aren't given to recordings on Youtube etc. Forum policy? Most of my listening is done either at live concerts or on my main system which is not connected to the web, not via Youtube etc I've found on music forums it's assists greatly to have immediate access to an example of a particular work someone is posting about. OK, the sonics may be crap and some may see handing around these links deprive artists of financial reward. Myself I have no problem with this as most of my music purchases over the last decade or so have resulted from auditioning them on sites such as Youtube. I'd be grateful if anyone can tell my why posters here only provide the graphics for recordings. Are we supposed to go out and buy/download every single one to learn what they're talking about or find out if we may or may not agree with their recommendation?

Many members will use the graphics from the Amazon ASIN link because that can ultimately bring some money for the running of this site to the owner :#

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,6.0.html (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,6.0.html)


There is nothing preventing us posting some embedded links to Youtube as well :

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,2663.0.html (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,2663.0.html)


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on November 23, 2019, 06:13:07 AM
The Amazon link is just a very quick and easy way of posting what you're listening to or purchasing, as you only need copy in the ASIN number from their website, and it displays the album cover nicely. YouTube is great for checking music out more thoroughly than the Amazon 30 second samples before buying, it's saved me wasting a lot of money on things I don't actually like.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dissily Mordentroge on November 23, 2019, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: Papy Oli on November 23, 2019, 02:44:29 AM
Many members will use the graphics from the Amazon ASIN link because that can ultimately bring some money for the running of this site to the owner :#

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,6.0.html (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,6.0.html)
On the above link we are told "You will notice a small banner for Amazon.com near the top of every page. I would ask that if you already buy your music, or any other items, from Amazon, please access Amazon by using these links. Amazon tracks the refering website (in this case GMG) and credits the site with a small commission on all items sold (currently about 6%). It costs you no more to buy from Amazon using this link, but that commission helps defray some of the costs of the forum."[/i]
On my Macs, all running the latest version of OSX I see no reference to  Amazon . Is this my problem or something else?

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on November 23, 2019, 01:58:32 PM
King Ubu seems to have been absent longer that usual. Has anyone heard from him?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on November 23, 2019, 01:58:32 PM
King Ubu seems to have been absent longer that usual. Has anyone heard from him?

I always though it was her. How bad I feel!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 18, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
That is so sad. As with cilgwyn there is no obvious reason I can think of. I really enjoyed the exchanges with Cesar. Maybe there's a secret GMG defectors group somewhere in the outer fringes of cyber-space featuring cilgwyn, Symphonic Addict and Pohjola's Daughter etcetera.
:(

Haha

Yeah, we come from of the music universe's confines wrapped up in Internet human beings, or at least, I do!  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 23, 2019, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: dissily Mordentroge on November 23, 2019, 01:55:56 PM
On the above link we are told "You will notice a small banner for Amazon.com near the top of every page. I would ask that if you already buy your music, or any other items, from Amazon, please access Amazon by using these links. Amazon tracks the refering website (in this case GMG) and credits the site with a small commission on all items sold (currently about 6%). It costs you no more to buy from Amazon using this link, but that commission helps defray some of the costs of the forum."[/i]
On my Macs, all running the latest version of OSX I see no reference to  Amazon . Is this my problem or something else?

Probably something else, since I don't see it now either. If you like, click the link in my footer, and once you get to Amazon, copy and paste the link as your shortcut to Amazon. Then, whenever you go there and buy something, you will be giving a nice gift to the forum.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 23, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:20:15 PM
I always though it was her. How bad I feel!  ;)

You fake you own death or something?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dissily Mordentroge on November 23, 2019, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on November 23, 2019, 04:37:37 PM
Probably something else, since I don't see it now either. If you like, click the link in my footer, and once you get to Amazon, copy and paste the link as your shortcut to Amazon. Then, whenever you go there and buy something, you will be giving a nice gift to the forum.

8)
Done, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 23, 2019, 11:06:15 PM
Time to redress the balance: all opera lovers I know are straight, married and have children, yours truly included.  :)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on November 24, 2019, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on November 23, 2019, 01:58:32 PM
King Ubu seems to have been absent longer that usual. Has anyone heard from him?

I met him a few days ago, he's fine and very active in German forums. BTW it's definitely a him  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2019, 01:00:27 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Haha

Yeah, we come from of the music universe's confines wrapped up in Internet human beings, or at least, I do!  ;D 8)

Cesar, welcome back! You've been dearly missed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 24, 2019, 01:52:21 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Haha

Yeah, we come from of the music universe's confines wrapped up in Internet human beings, or at least, I do!  ;D 8)

Delighted to see you back here Cesar. We missed you.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dissily Mordentroge on November 24, 2019, 01:59:07 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 23, 2019, 11:06:15 PM
Time to redress the balance: all opera lovers I know are straight, married and have children, yours truly included.  :)
Time to widen you social circle then.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2019, 02:08:40 AM
Quote from: dissily Mordentroge on November 24, 2019, 01:59:07 AM
Time to widen you social circle then.

No. Its current radius is just fine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on November 24, 2019, 02:09:12 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Haha

Yeah, we come from of the music universe's confines wrapped up in Internet human beings, or at least, I do!  ;D 8)

Welcome back. Don't do that again  $:) ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 24, 2019, 02:18:11 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on November 24, 2019, 02:09:12 AM
Welcome back. Don't do that again  $:) ;D
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on November 24, 2019, 06:22:32 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Haha

Yeah, we come from of the music universe's confines wrapped up in Internet human beings, or at least, I do!  ;D 8)

Welcome back indeed.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on November 24, 2019, 08:47:04 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PMwe come from of the music universe's confines wrapped up in Internet human beings, or at least, I do!  ;D 8)

I knew I recognised you from somewhere.

Warm welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 25, 2019, 01:49:44 AM
I am not straight.

But alas, neither am I an opera lover.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 25, 2019, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Florestan on November 24, 2019, 01:00:27 AM
Cesar, welcome back! You've been dearly missed.

Quote from: vandermolen on November 24, 2019, 01:52:21 AM
Delighted to see you back here Cesar. We missed you.
:)

Quote from: Papy Oli on November 24, 2019, 02:09:12 AM
Welcome back. Don't do that again  $:) ;D

Quote from: aligreto on November 24, 2019, 06:22:32 AM
Welcome back indeed.  :)

Quote from: Iota on November 24, 2019, 08:47:04 AM
I knew I recognised you from somewhere.

Warm welcome back!

How kind from you, guys!! Thank you so much. It's really good to know I was missed, despite my contributions were often very subjective.

Deleting accounts or leaving suddenly the site are not in my plans anymore.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 25, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
Quote from: Ken B on November 23, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
You fake you own death or something?

What I can tell you is that I'm very unpredictable.  ;D

My recovery was as unexpected as my sudden absence.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 25, 2019, 01:56:43 PM
And for others that also missed me, many thanks too! I did read their nice comments. I really appreciate them.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 25, 2019, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 25, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
What I can tell you is that I'm very unpredictable.  ;D

My recovery was as unexpected as my sudden absence.

Unexpected to whom? You, I suppose.

BTW welcome back.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 25, 2019, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 25, 2019, 01:57:33 PM
Unexpected to whom? You, I suppose.

BTW welcome back.  :)

I meant it was surprisingly fast.  ;)

Thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: jess on November 25, 2019, 04:55:32 PM
Welcome back, Symphonic Addict!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on November 26, 2019, 03:37:27 AM
Quote from: jess on November 25, 2019, 04:55:32 PM
Welcome back, Symphonic Addict!
+1. Good to see Symphonic Addict back as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 26, 2019, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: jess on November 25, 2019, 04:55:32 PM
Welcome back, Symphonic Addict!

Quote from: ritter on November 26, 2019, 03:37:27 AM
+1. Good to see Symphonic Addict back as well.

Thank you, sirs! Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on November 27, 2019, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 26, 2019, 10:40:07 AM
Thank you, sirs! Much appreciated.
The pleasure is entirely ours (we hope).  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Moonfish on November 27, 2019, 08:48:09 PM

I should delete my account and rejoin. It is clearly a great PR strategy.....      0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on November 27, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on November 27, 2019, 08:48:09 PM
I should delete my account and rejoin. It is clearly a great PR strategy.....      0:)

I never had a farewell party.... or a welcome back party.... :( 
Let alone several!  :D

Yep, we're clearly doing something wrong...  ::)
It's like staying loyal to the same employer and never getting a promotion... you're just there...

Q  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 27, 2019, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on November 27, 2019, 08:48:09 PM
I should delete my account and rejoin. It is clearly a great PR strategy.....      0:)

Nearly did that at one point.

I've considered going back to my original name but the post count will give me away.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on November 27, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: Que on November 27, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
I never had a farewell party.... or a welcome back party.... :( 
Let alone several!  :D

Yep, we're clearly doing something wrong...  ::)
It's like staying loyal to the same employer and never getting a promotion... you're just there...

Q  ;)

To my knowledge I am seen on GMG like you, You're just there
Aren't we a couple of swells huh? :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 28, 2019, 01:23:02 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on November 27, 2019, 11:57:06 PM
To my knowledge I am seen on GMG like you, You're just there
Aren't we a couple of swells huh? :laugh:

Fortunately we have a basic group, whose members have been immensely loyal during many years. Without such a group this site might well become a confusing place. So thanks to Que, Harry and all the others.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 28, 2019, 01:33:33 AM
Lol. Harry isn't on his first account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 28, 2019, 02:14:16 AM
Quote from: Madiel on November 28, 2019, 01:33:33 AM
Lol. Harry isn't on his first account.

I know, but his periods of absence have been few, so it feels as if he has been here always .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 28, 2019, 05:54:54 AM
Quote from: Que on November 27, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
I never had a farewell party.... or a welcome back party.... :( 
Let alone several!  :D

Yep, we're clearly doing something wrong...  ::)
It's like staying loyal to the same employer and never getting a promotion... you're just there...

Q  ;)

Todd, Herman & I have been here since Christ was a carpenter in Nazareth. I remember when most of y'all showed up. Like when Karl arrived, I thought 'well, there goes the damned neighborhood...'. :D  I think it's a good strategy to be consistent. Even though it results in having a low profile, there is something to be said for that.  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on November 28, 2019, 06:06:55 AM
Quote from: Que on November 27, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
I never had a farewell party.... or a welcome back party.... :( 
Let alone several!  :D

Yep, we're clearly doing something wrong...  ::)
It's like staying loyal to the same employer and never getting a promotion... you're just there...

Q  ;)

I motion and second my motion to promote Que!!!

He is now SIR Que !!!    

Maybe even  Sir Que du Soleil!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 28, 2019, 06:21:32 AM
Quote from: Cato on November 28, 2019, 06:06:55 AM
I motion and second my motion to promote Que!!!

He is now SIR Que !!!    

Maybe even  Sir Que du Soleil!  ;)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 28, 2019, 06:24:56 AM
Leaving and then coming back...leaving and then coming back...etc. --- this has certainly helped my popularity on GMG, although the member NikF wasn't too impressed. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ken B on November 28, 2019, 06:59:05 AM
Quote from: Madiel on November 27, 2019, 11:06:26 PM
Nearly did that at one point.

I've considered going back to my original name but the post count will give me away.

You mean the other guy from the same place with that same avatar and Vagn Holmboe link? We would never have guessed!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 28, 2019, 09:01:27 AM
It is wonderful indeed to see SymphonicAddict back! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on November 28, 2019, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on November 28, 2019, 05:54:54 AM
Todd, Herman & I have been here since Christ was a carpenter in Nazareth. I remember when most of y'all showed up. Like when Karl arrived, I thought 'well, there goes the damned neighborhood...'. :D  I think it's a good strategy to be consistent. Even though it results in having a low profile, there is something to be said for that.  :)

8)

I was there at the beginning, too, but under a different name. And then I left. And came back. I was less consistent than the Founding Fathers  :D.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 28, 2019, 12:05:57 PM
Quote from: Christo on November 27, 2019, 12:39:42 AM
The pleasure is entirely ours (we hope).  ;D

If you say so, it's fine for all of us! Thanks!

Quote from: kyjo on November 28, 2019, 09:01:27 AM
It is wonderful indeed to see SymphonicAddict back! :)

Thank you, Kyle, and thanks for the messages on the another forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 28, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: Moonfish on November 27, 2019, 08:48:09 PM
I should delete my account and rejoin. It is clearly a great PR strategy.....      0:)

Good idea!  >:D

In my personal case it's been very gratifying to read the warm messages of some members here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 29, 2019, 07:19:36 AM
Quote from: André on November 28, 2019, 09:52:57 AM
I was there at the beginning, too, but under a different name. And then I left. And came back. I was less consistent than the Founding Fathers  :D.

Indeed you were, possibly under a couple of different names. Carmen springs to mind, and another before that. There were a couple of others here for a long time from those days, sadly gone now. But the broader point is that people come and go all the time, so I've learned not to worry about it. Gone today, here tomorrow. :)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on November 29, 2019, 07:25:11 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on November 29, 2019, 07:19:36 AM
Indeed you were, possibly under a couple of different names. Carmen springs to mind, and another before that. There were a couple of others here for a long time from those days, sadly gone now. But the broader point is that people come and go all the time, so I've learned not to worry about it. Gone today, here tomorrow. :)

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Carmen?  :laugh:

It was Lilas Pastia (from Carmen, of course).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 29, 2019, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: André on November 29, 2019, 07:25:11 AM
Carmen?  :laugh:

It was Lilas Pastia (from Carmen, of course).

I knew that, I was amusing myself at your expense. :D :D  Always really liked that song, esp. the way Callas did it. :)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 29, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on November 29, 2019, 07:19:36 AM
Indeed you were, possibly under a couple of different names. Carmen springs to mind, and another before that. There were a couple of others here for a long time from those days, sadly gone now. But the broader point is that people come and go all the time, so I've learned not to worry about it. Gone today, here tomorrow. :)

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Lilas Pastia ?...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 29, 2019, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 29, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Lilas Pastia ?...

In my post-turkey torpor, I see I am too slow, again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on November 29, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 29, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Lilas Pastia ?...

Près des remparts de Séville...  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dissily Mordentroge on November 29, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Madiel on November 25, 2019, 01:49:44 AM
I am not straight.

But alas, neither am I an opera lover.
Probably should be another thread but there are different kinds of opera lovers. Me, I find it much easier to sink into the music without the visuals. Put me in an opera audience and often the whole 'reality' falls apart to such an extent I'm overcome with giggles. Scenes with the hero/heroin gutsily rendering an aria having been mortally stabbed for instance I find too silly for words. But then again the final scene of Shakespeare's 'Romeo & Juliet' falls apart for me too.
There are a few exceptions though, Bartok's  'Bluebeard's Castle' amongst them. Possibley because I experience it as something like a sub-conscious drama.

Oh, and I'm not straight either.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 29, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Ken B on November 28, 2019, 06:59:05 AM
You mean the other guy from the same place with that same avatar and Vagn Holmboe link? We would never have guessed!   :laugh:

I could change the avatar and THEN where would you be?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 23, 2019, 03:59:40 PM
It appears that Ken B has left the forum....

I just wanted to make clear that he was not banned or asked to leave.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on December 23, 2019, 06:28:04 PM
That's too bad, really  :(.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: Que on December 23, 2019, 03:59:40 PM
It appears that Ken B has left the forum....

I just wanted to make clear that he was not banned or asked to leave.

Q

He left on his own, but more than likely left due to your magic eraser and favoritism.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 23, 2019, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:00:34 PM
He left on his own, but more than likely left due to your magic eraser and favoritism.

Yes, well I've always known that protecting a vulnerable person from bullying is a form of favoritism. Good point, and a timely reminder for us all... ::)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:20:49 PM
And what about the magic eraser part?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 23, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:20:49 PM
And what about the magic eraser part?

I couldn't argue that, I didn't know WTF he was talking about. :-\

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:29:04 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 23, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
I couldn't argue that, I didn't know WTF he was talking about. :-\

8)

The tendency of moderators to delete posts, in the weird belief that it erases memories a la Men in Black.

You're also in the running to win an award for most inappropriate use of emojis...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 23, 2019, 07:12:25 PM
Yes, well I've always known that protecting a vulnerable person from bullying is a form of favoritism. Good point, and a timely reminder for us all... ::)

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No one here who had an objection to this member's endless threads bullied him, Gurn. If we're bullies for bringing up our annoyance, then, by golly, we need to be taken outside and horsewhipped but how could I forget that this isn't the moderators' style here is it? You guys would rather erase history than actually acknowledge those members who had a legitimate complaint. There were four members (Ken B, San Antone, Symphonic Addict, and myself) who took issue with Carlo Gesualdo. If you're making light of the situation and these complaints mean nothing to you, then you really should be stripped of your moderator title and actually give it to someone who does care about the concerns of these members.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:29:04 PM
The tendency of moderators to delete posts, in the weird belief that it erases memories a la Men in Black.

You're also in the running to win an award for most inappropriate use of emojis...

That's a great analogy. :D It's also how I feel. I'm really tired of seeing my posts deleted when I said nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on December 23, 2019, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: André on December 23, 2019, 06:28:04 PM
That's too bad, really  :(.

I must confess that Ken's sense of humor and style of argument often grated on me, to put it diplomatically. So I can't bring myself to be sorrowful at his departure.

But one new member seems to have disappeared, and I do miss him.  dissily Mordentroge was last here on December 17
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:42:26 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:32:44 PM
That's a great analogy. :D It's also how I feel. I'm really tired of seeing my posts deleted when I said nothing wrong.

Well, for the sake of argument, if the moderators did consider you to have said something wrong then in my view it would be far more helpful and informative for it to be a matter of public record as to what the moderators thought.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:42:26 PM
Well, for the sake of argument, if the moderators did consider you to have said something wrong then in my view it would be far more helpful and informative for it to be a matter of public record as to what the moderators thought.

I'd love to know why for sure but I can imagine the deleted posts in regards to fellow member Carlo Gesualdo were deleted for a falsified notion that what I said was a form of bullying when the reality was I was making a complaint (along with several other members) that was about his continuous thread creation. I think the moderators believe that deleting posts somehow gives them the ability to silence other members, but, if anything, it makes their argument even more vocal.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
Yes, well, that's the problem isn't it? It's left to imagination.

And for anyone not directly involved, it's impossible to understand what happened, or to learn anything from it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
Yes, well, that's the problem isn't it? It's left to imagination.

And for anyone not directly involved, it's impossible to understand what happened, or to learn anything from it.

Yep and once the magic eraser is in the moderators' hands, no one will know anything and that's the way they'd like to keep it evidently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on December 23, 2019, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
No one here who had an objection to this member's endless threads bullied him, Gurn. If we're bullies for bringing up our annoyance, then, by golly, we need to be taken outside and horsewhipped but how could I forget that this isn't the moderators' style here is it? You guys would rather erase history than actually acknowledge those members who had a legitimate complaint. There were four members (Ken B, San Antone, Symphonic Addict, and myself) who took issue with Carlo Gesualdo. If you're making light of the situation and these complaints mean nothing to you, then you really should be stripped of your moderator title and actually give it to someone who does care about the concerns of these members.

We do care about the concerns of members.

We addressed yours both in private and in public, neither of which appears to have made any impact on you.

We told you our suggestion, to ignore this member, yet you still insist on making this an issue.

There are other boards out there, feel free to choose (and fund) one that is more to your liking.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: Brewski on December 23, 2019, 08:15:41 PM
We do care about the concerns of members.

We addressed yours both in private and in public, neither of which appears to have made any impact on you.

We told you our suggestion, to ignore this member, yet you still insist on making this an issue.

There are other boards out there, feel free to choose (and fund) one that is more to your liking.

--Bruce

Award-winning moderation right here, ladies and gentlemen. Bravo, take a bow. You have done nothing to address our concerns. Your suggestion is turn the other cheek and it's difficult to do when the member posts a new thread every time he has an idea.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: Brewski on December 23, 2019, 08:15:41 PM
There are other boards out there, feel free to choose (and fund) one that is more to your liking.

This shows a spectacular lack of insight into how people feel invested (and I choose that word deliberately) in a community they've been participating in for a lengthy period.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
This shows a spectacular lack of insight into how people feel invested (and I choose that word deliberately) in a community they've been participating in for a lengthy period.

Indeed. I'm not leaving. They'll have to ban me before that happens. :) If I do leave, which I've done before (numerous times), I'll leave on my own, but I can assure you it won't be because of any of the moderators, it will be because I feel that I'm simply not wanted here, which is what I basically got from that snippet you quoted from Brewski. It's no secret he doesn't like me and has basically told me in private message that I'm not 'one of his people', which is odd considering I've been nothing but nice to him in the past. Go figure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on December 23, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Award-winning moderation right here, ladies and gentlemen. Bravo, take a bow. You have done nothing to address our concerns. Your suggestion is turn the other cheek and it's difficult to do when the member posts a new thread every time he has an idea.

I will point out again that in such a situation, there is no obligation on the part of anyone to read the thread(s). Do what I do: ignore the threads you don't like.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: JBS on December 23, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
I will point out again that in such a situation, there is no obligation on the part of anyone to read the thread(s). Do what I do: ignore the threads you don't like.

But it's difficult to do when so many are posted, Jeffrey. The way the forum is setup you can ignore a member, but you can still see their threads. Trust me, if there was an option to actually ignore the member, I would, but since there's not, I felt I had to say something about the sheer volume of threads being posted. And as it turned out, I wasn't the only one with the same complaint. But if turning my cheek is the only option I have, I guess I have no choice. :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on December 23, 2019, 09:03:41 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 07:45:49 PM
I'd love to know why for sure but I can imagine the deleted posts in regards to fellow member Carlo Gesualdo were deleted for a falsified notion that what I said was a form of bullying when the reality was I was making a complaint (along with several other members) that was about his continuous thread creation. I think the moderators believe that deleting posts somehow gives them the ability to silence other members, but, if anything, it makes their argument even more vocal.

You bullied CG mercilessly.

I will repeat a comment I made in a now deleted thread.

This is a public forum, owned and managed by people other than you. Why do you presume it is your place to lecture people about how they should use a public resource? You presume an authority you do not have and have not earned.

Put the shoe on the other foot. How would you feel if every time you posted here you were stalked by another user, who wrote paragraph after paragraph about how you are not using the forum appropriately, claiming that, for example, you make too many posts and crowd out other posts that are more interesting. How would you feel?

On another level, CG has confessed on this forum that this place is in some sense a refuge from a difficult life. And yet you have typed in paragraph after paragraph scolding and belittling him. The slight inconvenience of seeing a larger than usual number of threads that don't interest you is more important the his sense of welcome and wellbeing on this site? It is a level of cruelty that I find disturbing to witness, let along be on the receiving end of.





Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: Ratliff on December 23, 2019, 09:03:41 PM
You bullied CG mercilessly.

I will repeat a comment I made in a now deleted thread.

This is a public forum, owned and managed by people other than you. Why do you presume it is your place to lecture people about how they should use a public resource? You presume an authority you do not have and have not earned.

Put the shoe on the other foot. How would you feel if every time you posted here you were stalked by another user, who wrote paragraph after paragraph about how you are not using the forum appropriately, claiming that, for example, you make too many posts and crowd out other posts that are more interesting. How would you feel?

On another level, CG has confessed on this forum that this place is in some sense a refuge from a difficult life. And yet you have typed in paragraph after paragraph scolding and belittling him. The slight inconvenience of seeing a larger than usual number of threads that don't interest you is more important the his sense of welcome and wellbeing on this site? It is a level of cruelty that I find disturbing to witness, let along be on the receiving end of.

You're blowing this completely out of proportion. Cruelty? Disturbing to witness? WTF? All I asked was the member to reconsider the number of threads he created because it was getting out-of-hand and, yes, I did post on several of his threads, which was MY RIGHT TO DO SO. It seems like if a person expresses an annoyance, they're the ones who end up backed into a corner. I don't presume I'm an authority of anyone on this forum. People have a right to come here and create as many threads as they like much like I have just as much the right to complain about it. Deal with it or don't deal with it, I gave my stance on the matter and the option I was given was to turn the other cheek and this is what I'm going to do from now on since it's controversial to share an honest complaint on something that was bothering me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on December 23, 2019, 10:57:29 PM
I don't understand why people here seem to have a problem with someone else posting things they're not interested in reading. There are at least a dozen such people on the forum I can think of, I've had them on ignore for years and only unhide their posts when they're in a topic I'm interested in, everything runs smoothly.

As someone who has moderated large web forums in the past, I don't think deleting threads should be anything but a last resort (in fact we didn't delete anything—even spam or pornography—we just moved everything to a "deleted items" forum not visible to regular users, for record keeping) and disagree with the widespread use of that tactic here but am aware my opinion carries very little weight.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on December 23, 2019, 11:01:52 PM
Mirror image and Madiel, maybe you should get a room together!
You just stop harassing the moderators on GMG, if anyone, both of you should be heavily moderated. You are very fortunate that our moderators are very tolerant of your childish pranks. If it was for me, I would have removed you after the things you wrote in this thread!
You disgust me, both of you.
A very happy and peaceful christmas to you both.........not!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on December 23, 2019, 11:42:18 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
You're blowing this completely out of proportion. Cruelty? Disturbing to witness? WTF? All I asked was the member to reconsider the number of threads he created because it was getting out-of-hand and, yes, I did post on several of his threads, which was MY RIGHT TO DO SO. It seems like if a person expresses an annoyance, they're the ones who end up backed into a corner. I don't presume I'm an authority of anyone on this forum. People have a right to come here and create as many threads as they like much like I have just as much the right to complain about it. Deal with it or don't deal with it, I gave my stance on the matter and the option I was given was to turn the other cheek and this is what I'm going to do from now on since it's controversial to share an honest complaint on something that was bothering me.

No, I have no right to tell you what you can or cannot post on this forum, but I refer you to the primary rule in the forum guidelines

QuotePlease treat other members of this forum with courtesy and respect. By all means, discuss and argue the topic at hand, but do not make personal attacks, belittle, make fun of, or insult another member.

You certainly belittled and insulted CG by making it clear that you felt you had the right to dictate to him how he was allowed to use the forum. You disrupted every topic he tried to discuss with your condescending hectoring. These posts, as far as I know, have been deleted by moderators, and rightfully so, and as a result I cannot quote them directly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 23, 2019, 11:44:20 PM
I'm not happy with any member leaving. I hope Ken will reconsider.

Come  on, guys, this is an anonymous forum, nothing that's said here has the least importance in real life. Live and let live!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 24, 2019, 02:31:13 AM
Quote from: Madiel on December 23, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
Yes, well, that's the problem isn't it? It's left to imagination.

And for anyone not directly involved, it's impossible to understand what happened, or to learn anything from it.

If you're directly involved we are perfectly happy to offer an explanation on our decisions. If you're not, you could always ask us. But it is basically none of your concern and nobody is always "entitled" to an explanation. This is not a democracy or a people's court. As moderators we are accountable to to each other and to Rob, the site's owner. We don't do trails by jury, and we are not going to present evidence to justify our decisions. Self appointed Grand Inquisitors are kindly requested to leave their robes at the door, thank you.

Public discussions on members' behaviour and any moderating actions relating to it, are actually very, very counterproductive. I would think this whole episode is more than ample proof of that. I would like to encourage people to refrain from doing so.

It would be helpful if members contact us if they have any issues, instead of starting disruptive public debates.

Now, there are a lot of strong feelings against any form of moderating. This often leads to very unhelpful interferences  by members that are not involved in a particular issue. They invariably invoke the Sacred Right of Free Speech. However, I like to point out that this is a classical music community and not a debating club. And more importantly, it is not a public space and your membership of this forum is not a soapbox in the park on which you can say anything you like.This is a privately owned site and anyone that wants to be a guest in this house will have to abide by the house rules, as applied and enforced by the moderators. The basic assumption is that anyone that is here out of his or her free choice, is willing to accept that. Frankly, anyone that is not willing to do so, has no business  being here....

Unlike some like to think, being a moderator is not a power trip. It is a responsibility that can be an unpleasant burden in terms of personal time and energy, and peace of mind. In the eyes of those concerned, as a moderator you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Threads must absolutely be merged and threads can't be touched under any circumstance since they are (supposedly) the "personal property" of the member that started them. Some take anything we do as a personal attack, but most of the time we are noting more than traffic police trying to make things run smoothly.
Whether you agree with a particular decision or not, it is our call and responsibility, no one else's.

Fortunately this is a peaceful forum most of the time, and months go by without the need of any intervention. And then we have disruptive episodes we have seen this week. Often these are fueled by a handful of "usual suspects" that are channelling their personal frustrations, which are not necessarily connected to the forum. And usually the moderating ends up as the main focus of attention.

Deleting of posts or threads is not a frequent occurrence  but can be an effective way to end undesirable behaviour or conflicts. Leaving offensive, insulting, or contentious stuff out there to sit and fester, is generally not a good idea.
We are not changing history (I'd wish), but we're keeping the peace the best we can and cleaning up the garbage. Sometimes that is a thankful job, and sometimes it isn't. But in any case it is our job.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 24, 2019, 02:35:40 AM
Quote from: JBS on December 23, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
I will point out again that in such a situation, there is no obligation on the part of anyone to read the thread(s). Do what I do: ignore the threads you don't like.

Yes, and creating a thread titled To Discuss N's Threads Makes N a target of derision, doesn't it? Who among the complainers would applaud that prize-winning civility?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 24, 2019, 02:37:36 AM
Quote from: Ratliff on December 23, 2019, 09:03:41 PM
You bullied CG mercilessly.

I will repeat a comment I made in a now deleted thread.

This is a public forum, owned and managed by people other than you. Why do you presume it is your place to lecture people about how they should use a public resource? You presume an authority you do not have and have not earned.

Put the shoe on the other foot. How would you feel if every time you posted here you were stalked by another user, who wrote paragraph after paragraph about how you are not using the forum appropriately, claiming that, for example, you make too many posts and crowd out other posts that are more interesting. How would you feel?

On another level, CG has confessed on this forum that this place is in some sense a refuge from a difficult life. And yet you have typed in paragraph after paragraph scolding and belittling him. The slight inconvenience of seeing a larger than usual number of threads that don't interest you is more important the his sense of welcome and wellbeing on this site? It is a level of cruelty that I find disturbing to witness, let along be on the receiving end of.







Thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 24, 2019, 02:40:25 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
You're blowing this completely out of proportion. Cruelty? Disturbing to witness? WTF? All I asked was the member to reconsider the number of threads he created because it was getting out-of-hand and, yes, I did post on several of his threads, which was MY RIGHT TO DO SO. It seems like if a person expresses an annoyance, they're the ones who end up backed into a corner. I don't presume I'm an authority of anyone on this forum. People have a right to come here and create as many threads as they like much like I have just as much the right to complain about it. Deal with it or don't deal with it, I gave my stance on the matter and the option I was given was to turn the other cheek and this is what I'm going to do from now on since it's controversial to share an honest complaint on something that was bothering me.
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 23, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
You're blowing this completely out of proportion. Cruelty? Disturbing to witness? WTF? All I asked was the member to reconsider the number of threads he created because it was getting out-of-hand and, yes, I did post on several of his threads, which was MY RIGHT TO DO SO. It seems like if a person expresses an annoyance, they're the ones who end up backed into a corner. I don't presume I'm an authority of anyone on this forum. People have a right to come here and create as many threads as they like much like I have just as much the right to complain about it. Deal with it or don't deal with it, I gave my stance on the matter and the option I was given was to turn the other cheek and this is what I'm going to do from now on since it's controversial to share an honest complaint on something that was bothering me.

So what's the right proportion? That you were consistently and actively discourteous to him? Which is not illegal, so you insist on your right to do this?

It's Christmas, how about a little consideration for those less fortunate than we?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 24, 2019, 03:11:06 AM
Quote from: Que on December 24, 2019, 02:31:13 AM
If you're directly involved we are perfectly happy to offer an explanation on our decisions. If you're not, you could always ask us. But it is basically none of your concern and nobody is always "entitled" to an explanation. This is not a democracy or a people's court. As moderators we are accountable to to each other and to Rob, the site's owner. We don't do trails by jury, and we are not going to present evidence to justify our decisions. Self appointed Grand Inquisitors are kindly requested to leave their robes at the door, thank you.

That is not the meaning I was intending to convey. I said it's impossible to learn anything from it. I didn't refer to judging.

My concern is that it's not possible to learn lessons about what is okay and not okay (a point which I think dissily Mordentroge has made previously).

If you want to just carry on going through cycles of the same stuff, then have at it. I think we can be fairly confident that if the membership aren't going to learn anything, then that's okay because the moderators have little intention of doing so either.  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 24, 2019, 03:39:58 AM
Quote from: Que on December 24, 2019, 02:31:13 AM
Deleting of posts or threads is not a frequent occurrence  but can be an effective way to end undesirable behaviour or conflicts. Leaving offensive, insulting, or contentious stuff out there to sit and fester, is generally not a good idea.

Those are not your only 2 options, and I really wish you would stop presenting them as if they were.

First and foremost, I am not advocating leaving things to "fester", and it's precisely my issue with the way that things often run is that things are left to fester right up until the moment that you decide it's time to wipe everything.

I'm not suggesting you do less moderating, whatever else anyone else is suggesting. I'm actually suggesting you do more visible moderating, and do it earlier.

You might well do other things, but if all anyone ever actually sees of moderating is the disappearance of material then the impression that you give is that the moderators are simply silent observers up until that moment.

It's pretty remarkable how by far the biggest and longest statements of moderator policy / signs of moderator behaviour we ever get are when you come marching out to tell me how you're not going to justify your policies or explain your behaviour.

Well no, I wouldn't actually a feel a need to ask for explanations of your behaviour if there was actually any opportunity to just observe your behaviour. It will probably surprise you that I am by nature a supporter of authority. But that is predicated on there being some kind of ability to rationalise what the fuck is going on. Which is scarcely possible around here because you have a fundamental belief that being answerable to the site owner means that no-one else needs to see anything. A belief that is startling in its psychological naivety.

I mean, why are we even having this discussion? Because there was an announcement that a member had left. With a further announcement that they were not banned. Why exactly did you lot feel either of those announcements had to be made? If you're not answerable, what exactly drove you, personally, to want to make that clear?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 24, 2019, 03:53:39 AM
If you're going to tell me that moderators are not answerable and will not explain anything, then this:

Quote from: Que on December 23, 2019, 03:59:40 PM
I just wanted to make clear that he was not banned or asked to leave.

makes zero sense at all.

You basically created my own awareness that anything had happened, and now you want to tell me not to talk about it. Don't fucking bring it up then.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 24, 2019, 04:01:42 AM
Quote from: Madiel on December 24, 2019, 03:39:58 AM
when you come marching out to tell me how you're not going to justify your policies or explain your behaviour.

First of all, this is not what I said. We are quite open to communicate with members of the forum. But I am not looking for continuous and endless debates on every decision we make. Secondly: as pointed out before, moderating decisions are not a suitable topic for public discussions. Thirdly, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know everything that is going on behind the scenes. Nor do you need to know or should you know.  It is the way it is...

Why this preoccupation with moderating?
Aren't you here to have good conversations with fellow forum members on music in a friendly atmosphere?

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 24, 2019, 04:17:28 AM
Quote from: JBS on December 23, 2019, 07:36:02 PM
But one new member seems to have disappeared, and I do miss him.  dissily Mordentroge was last here on December 17

He just posted today.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 24, 2019, 05:01:24 AM
Quote from: Madiel on December 24, 2019, 03:53:39 AM
If you're going to tell me that moderators are not answerable and will not explain anything, then this:

makes zero sense at all.

You basically created my own awareness that anything had happened, and now you want to tell me not to talk about it. Don't fucking bring it up then.

Now you are being hostile and argumentative, and rude.
I'm already sorry that I engaged in a conversation with you at all.
Though we've seen this before, many times.

I don't know what your issue is, nor do I want to.
But I'm pretty sure that you are not going to resolve it in an argument with me, or with anyone else on this forum.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 24, 2019, 05:43:56 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 24, 2019, 02:40:25 AM
So what's the right proportion? That you were consistently and actively discourteous to him? Which is not illegal, so you insist on your right to do this?

It's Christmas, how about a little consideration for those less fortunate than we?

Karl, with all due respect, I've seen the way you talk to 71 dB, for example, in the political threads and it's nothing to write home about. In fact, many members here that post in those threads are discourteous to each other on a regular basis. Are we not practicing what we preach? I stated an issue with Carlo Gesualdo's thread posting, I don't have any problems with him personally as I don't know him outside of this forum. I never ridiculed him nor personally attacked him. I made several complaints and it backfired, so I learned my lesson here. I'll never complain against another member again and I'm going to take up the philosophy of turning the other cheek. If this is what moderators believe solves problems then I guess it's the only option I have.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 24, 2019, 05:58:17 AM
I do want to say that I'm sorry to everyone here for fueling this fire. I'm not trying to be hateful, but I thought if I had an issue I could, at least, post to the member about it and, while I agree I shouldn't have posted so much, I felt it was the only way to express my annoyance. I am, after all, only human. There's no one here that doesn't have a flaw or some misgiving. I also want to say to the member, Carlo Gesualdo, that I'm sorry for not making you feel welcomed. This wasn't may intention, but, I suppose in hindsight, it did appear that way.

I've decided that it's best for me to just let all of this go. There's no winners here with this particular issue --- only losers and I've been a loser all of my life, so I don't need to add something else to this long list.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 24, 2019, 06:05:30 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 24, 2019, 05:43:56 AM
Karl, with all due respect, I've seen the way you talk to 71 dB, for example, in the political threads and it's nothing to write home about. In fact, many members here that post in those threads are discourteous to each other on a regular basis. Are we not practicing what we preach? I stated an issue with Carlo Gesualdo's thread posting, I don't have any problems with him personally as I don't know him outside of this forum. I never ridiculed him nor personally attacked him. I made several complaints and it backfired, so I learned my lesson here. I'll never complain against another member again and I'm going to take up the philosophy of turning the other cheek. If this is what moderators believe solves problems then I guess it's the only option I have.

Your point about 71dB is well taken, of course, and although one doesn't expect you to follow all the twists and turns, I have generally made an effort to be less antagonistic to him. I don't believe you'll find me trying to justify bad behavior to him, although, my being impact, you might. I certainly agree that it would be hypocritical of me to suggest that you be courteous, without my looking in the mirror.


And I've got to echo JBS's point: if I cannot simply overlook threads that a given member inaugurates, the problem is mine, not that member's, and it were antagonistic of me to try to make it that member's problem.


I thought it was abysmal of Andrei, to start a thread to discuss another member, but I succeeded in disregarding that thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 24, 2019, 06:06:07 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 24, 2019, 05:58:17 AM
I do want to say that I'm sorry to everyone here for fueling this fire. I'm not trying to be hateful, but I thought if I had an issue I could, at least, post to the member about it and, while I agree I shouldn't have posted so much, I felt it was the only way to express my annoyance. I am, after all, only human. There's no one here that doesn't have a flaw or some misgiving. I also want to say to the member, Carlo Gesualdo, that I'm sorry for not making you feel welcomed. This wasn't may intention, but, I suppose in hindsight, it did appear that way.

I've decided that it's best for me to just let all of this go. There's no winners here with this particular issue --- only losers and I've been a loser all of my life, so I don't need to add something else to this long list.

Spoken like a gentleman.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 24, 2019, 06:09:46 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 24, 2019, 06:05:30 AM
I thought it was abysmal of Andrei, to start a thread to discuss another member, but I succeeded in disregarding that thread.

Well, maybe you should have read it. You'd have learned that my position was consistently pro CG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 24, 2019, 06:14:33 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 24, 2019, 06:05:30 AM
Your point about 71dB is well taken, of course, and although one doesn't expect you to follow all the twists and turns, I have generally made an effort to be less antagonistic to him. I don't believe you'll find me trying to justify bad behavior to him, although, my being impact, you might. I certainly agree that it would be hypocritical of me to suggest that you be courteous, without my looking in the mirror.


And I've got to echo JBS's point: if I cannot simply overlook threads that a given member inaugurates, the problem is mine, not that member's, and it were antagonistic of me to try to make it that member's problem.


I thought it was abysmal of Andrei, to start a thread to discuss another member, but I succeeded in disregarding that thread.

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 24, 2019, 06:06:07 AM
Spoken like a gentleman.

Thank you, Karl.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 24, 2019, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Que on December 24, 2019, 04:01:42 AM
First of all, this is not what I said. We are quite open to communicate with members of the forum. But I am not looking for continuous and endless debates on every decision we make. Secondly: as pointed out before, moderating decisions are not a suitable topic for public discussions. Thirdly, as you pointed out yourself, you don't know everything that is going on behind the scenes. Nor do you need to know or should you know.  It is the way it is...

Why this preoccupation with moderating?
Aren't you here to have good conversations with fellow forum members on music in a friendly atmosphere?

Q

Preoccupation?

You mean, I'm not supposed to ever think about how the place is run?

Is that actually how you spend the REST of your life? Never having any thoughts at all about any of the organisations or businesses that you encounter? Just experiencing them and then moving on?

Or is it just that you never express them?

Well, from time to time I express them. Not gratuitously, only when I think there's a chance it will make a difference.

What you describe as a preoccupation, I consider actually caring enough to tell you what I think. The fact that other people don't tell you what they think about moderation doesn't mean they don't have thoughts about moderation, it just means they don't tell you what they think.

In the past I raised things that were related more to the technical workings of the forum software. I stopped raising them when it became apparent there was zero prospect of them ever being solved. But the fact that I was the person who raised them didn't mean I was the only person experiencing them. I'm just the one who bothered to mention what was going on.

You're basically saying, why can't you be a good little restaurant customer who reflexively says the meal is great when the waiter asks. Or more, why you can't eat your meal and say nothing at all about what you thought of the meal.

And if I say anything, then the response will possibly be: if you don't like it, eat somewhere else. A false dichotomy that proposes that if I say anything, it must be because I don't like "it". As if the entire experience is one single indivisible thing that I can only experience as a totality.

Nice restaurant here. I like it and keep coming back. Except for how every now and then you suddenly blare the muzak really loudly. Surely that can be fixed? That's the one thing I dislike.

Conclusion of some people: he doesn't like "the restaurant". Conclusion of others: he's obsessed with the Muzak. Regular answer: that's just inevitably the way the Muzak is.

Despite the fact that I've eaten at a number of other restaurants without the Muzak suddenly blaring like that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on December 24, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: "Harry" on December 23, 2019, 11:01:52 PM
Mirror image and Madiel, maybe you should get a room together!
You just stop harassing the moderators on GMG, if anyone, both of you should be heavily moderated. You are very fortunate that our moderators are very tolerant of your childish pranks. If it was for me, I would have removed you after the things you wrote in this thread!
You disgust me, both of you.
A very happy and peaceful christmas to you both.........not!

Merry Christmas, Harry! And of course to both mentioned, especially Mirror image who's a really fine & unmissable contributor to this forum, also Madiel for his real insight into the music of Holmboe, one of my very special composers and who's with him cannot be against great music. Merry Christmas to all of you & please let the moderators have some peaceful days too.  0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 24, 2019, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: Christo on December 24, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
Merry Christmas, Harry! And of course to both mentioned, especially Mirror image who's a really fine & unmissable contributor to this forum, also Madiel for his real insight into the music of Holmboe, one of my very special composers and who's with him cannot be against great music. Merry Christmas to all of you & please let the moderators have some peaceful days too.  0:)

Thank you, Johan and the same to you. Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 06, 2020, 09:36:01 PM
Fergus (Aligreto) has gone a bit quiet. Hope he is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 07, 2020, 07:54:24 AM
I haven't seen King Ubu in quite some time. I miss his contributions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on January 08, 2020, 12:35:40 PM
You probably won't see me for about 6 days. Fleeing the smoke.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on January 08, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: Madiel on January 08, 2020, 12:35:40 PM
You probably won't see me for about 6 days. Fleeing the smoke.

Ugh. Stay safe!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on January 08, 2020, 12:41:51 PM
Just to be clear, I'm not in any direct danger from fires. But Canberra is exceptionally good at trapping the smoke (and my part of Canberra is best of all) from the fires to the east, and the south...and the west... And my lungs are definitely feeling the effects after we became the most polluted city in the world twice last week.

So I'm taking a holiday elsewhere. The air in Queensland is (currently!) pristine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on January 08, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: Rinaldo on January 08, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
Ugh. Stay safe!

+ 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on January 08, 2020, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: Rinaldo on January 08, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
Ugh. Stay safe!

+2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 08, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: Madiel on January 08, 2020, 12:41:51 PM
Just to be clear, I'm not in any direct danger from fires. But Canberra is exceptionally good at trapping the smoke (and my part of Canberra is best of all) from the fires to the east, and the south...and the west... And my lungs are definitely feeling the effects after we became the most polluted city in the world twice last week.

So I'm taking a holiday elsewhere. The air in Queensland is (currently!) pristine.

Best of luck and stay safe, my friend.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on January 08, 2020, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: Pat B on January 08, 2020, 01:01:27 PM
+2

+3
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 09, 2020, 12:16:40 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 08, 2020, 05:24:55 PM
+3

+4
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on January 09, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 09, 2020, 12:16:40 AM
+4

+5
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on January 09, 2020, 12:39:05 AM
+6
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 09, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Rinaldo on January 08, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
Ugh. Stay safe!
+7
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on January 12, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
Greetings from sunny Queensland.

You know how I came up here to get away from the smoke and breathe better?

Yeah. I caught a heavy cold. From the timing I probably got it on the plane.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 12, 2020, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Madiel on January 12, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
Greetings from sunny Queensland.

You know how I came up here to get away from the smoke and breathe better?

Yeah. I caught a heavy cold. From the timing I probably got it on the plane.

A heavy cold caught in the middle of summer! It could have happened only to you, my friend! (Happened to me once as well.)  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm glad you're safe --- stay so!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 12, 2020, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: Madiel on January 12, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
Greetings from sunny Queensland.

You know how I came up here to get away from the smoke and breathe better?

Yeah. I caught a heavy cold. From the timing I probably got it on the plane.

Mend quickly!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on January 12, 2020, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: Madiel on January 12, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
Greetings from sunny Queensland.

You know how I came up here to get away from the smoke and breathe better?

Yeah. I caught a heavy cold. From the timing I probably got it on the plane.

All that smoke was probably overstressing your immune and nasal defense systems. As Karl said, mend quickly!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 12, 2020, 07:38:18 PM
Quote from: Madiel on January 12, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
Greetings from sunny Queensland.

You know how I came up here to get away from the smoke and breathe better?

Yeah. I caught a heavy cold. From the timing I probably got it on the plane.

I hope you get better, Madiel. Safe journeys!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on January 13, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
Thanks everyone. Back home, where the pollution levels have improved to be only Poor to Very Poor instead of Hazardous... and where my father, giving me a lift home from the airport, correctly observed that my part of the city is exceptionally good at trapping the smoke.

But I can't smell it quite so much at the moment.  :laugh:

The good news is that it might rain late tomorrow and is almost CERTAIN to rain the day after. Which people are very, very happy about.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2020, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: Madiel on January 13, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
Thanks everyone. Back home, where the pollution levels have improved to be only Poor to Very Poor instead of Hazardous... and where my father, giving me a lift home from the airport, correctly observed that my part of the city is exceptionally good at trapping the smoke.

But I can't smell it quite so much at the moment.  :laugh:

The good news is that it might rain late tomorrow and is almost CERTAIN to rain the day after. Which people are very, very happy about.

Good news, indeed. Glad things are improving.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 14, 2020, 09:00:12 AM
Huzzah for rain!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on January 14, 2020, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 14, 2020, 09:00:12 AM
Huzzah for rain!
+1  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Irons on January 14, 2020, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 06, 2020, 09:36:01 PM
Fergus (Aligreto) has gone a bit quiet. Hope he is ok.

Bit long for a Christmas/New Year holiday break.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 15, 2020, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: Irons on January 14, 2020, 11:29:34 PM
Bit long for a Christmas/New Year holiday break.

Yes, I agree. I sent him a PM but no response. Hope he is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on January 15, 2020, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 15, 2020, 08:53:57 AM
Yes, I agree. I sent him a PM but no response. Hope he is ok.

He had a break one or two months ago due to computer problems. I certainly hope it is the same now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 21, 2020, 03:26:58 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.

Very sorry to hear that. Speedy recovery!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 21, 2020, 03:27:50 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.
Glad to hear you are all healthy!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:55:42 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 21, 2020, 03:26:58 AM
Very sorry to hear that. Speedy recovery!


Quote from: mc ukrneal on January 21, 2020, 03:27:50 AM
Glad to hear you are all healthy!!


Thank you both for your kind words. They are much appreciated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on January 21, 2020, 04:07:36 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.
You've been missed.  Good to know things are better now. Good to have you back.

Best wishes for a speedy and full recovery to your wife ,  and warm regards.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on January 21, 2020, 04:38:20 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.

Glad to read she's better. Good to see you back indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 21, 2020, 05:44:13 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.

Very glad to know she's mended!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 21, 2020, 05:47:24 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.

Great to see you back, aligreto. Hope things continue to get better for you. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 05:48:04 AM
Quote from: ritter on January 21, 2020, 04:07:36 AM
You've been missed.  Good to know things are better now. Good to have you back.

Best wishes for a speedy and full recovery to your wife ,  and warm regards.

Thank you for the warm and kind words my friend. They are much appreciated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 05:49:35 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on January 21, 2020, 04:38:20 AM
Glad to read she's better. Good to see you back indeed.

Thank you my friend. It is good to be able to banter with you again in those other threads we both seem to enjoy  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 05:50:40 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 21, 2020, 05:44:13 AM
Very glad to know she's mended!

Thank you Karl. I hope that you too continue to enjoy good health.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 05:51:21 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 21, 2020, 05:47:24 AM
Great to see you back, aligreto. Hope things continue to get better for you. :)

Thank you also, my friend. Things are much better now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 21, 2020, 05:52:01 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 05:50:40 AM
Thank you Karl. I hope that you too continue to enjoy good health.

Improving all the time, thanks!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 06:53:19 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 21, 2020, 05:52:01 AM
Improving all the time, thanks!

Good for you Karl. Continued good health.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 21, 2020, 08:32:10 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 21, 2020, 05:52:01 AM
Improving all the time, thanks!

Excellent!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 21, 2020, 09:31:59 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 21, 2020, 08:32:10 AM
Excellent!  :)

Seconded.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on January 21, 2020, 09:37:36 AM
Thirded....  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on January 21, 2020, 10:05:50 AM
Quote from: aligreto on January 21, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Hi guys. My wife was not very well over Christmas/New Year. All good now and hopefully all is back on track.

Good to see you back! All the best.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: j winter on January 21, 2020, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: ritter on January 21, 2020, 09:37:36 AM
Thirded....  :)

Fourthed :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on January 23, 2020, 07:29:52 AM
Quote from: Que on January 21, 2020, 10:05:50 AM
Good to see you back! All the best.

Q

Thank you Que.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 02, 2020, 12:09:19 PM
Just thought I would let you guys know that I'm going to take a few months off from classical music to pursue some other musical interests. I might be back in June or July. Who knows really. I'll be on the Steve Hoffman forum for anyone who wants to come to that forum to talk other musical genres. I have found many knowledgeable people on that site. Take care everyone!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on February 02, 2020, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 21, 2020, 08:32:10 AM
Excellent!  :)

Con jubilo.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 02, 2020, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 02, 2020, 12:09:19 PM
Just thought I would let you guys know that I'm going to take a few months off from classical music to pursue some other musical interests. I might be back in June or July. Who knows really. I'll be on the Steve Hoffman forum for anyone who wants to come to that forum to talk other musical genres. I have found many knowledgeable people on that site. Take care everyone!
Well, I for one will miss you John. Happy listening and see you back in June or July.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 02, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 02, 2020, 01:28:22 PM
Well, I for one will miss you John. Happy listening and see you back in June or July.

Thanks, Jeffrey. I'm now back into classical music again, so I won't taking a hiatus after all. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on February 02, 2020, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 02, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Thanks, Jeffrey. I'm now back into classical music again, so I won't taking a hiatus after all. :D

Crikey, that was barely long enough to develop a critical review of the current state of the pop charts ;).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 02, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
Quote from: steve ridgway on February 02, 2020, 08:14:18 PM
Crikey, that was barely long enough to develop a critical review of the current state of the pop charts ;).

It wouldn't take long to write a critical review on the current state of pop. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 02, 2020, 09:21:33 PM
Billie Eilish gives me hope.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on February 02, 2020, 11:56:42 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 02, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Thanks, Jeffrey. I'm now back into classical music again...
Wecome back, John! To be honest, though, your absence was barely noticed ;) ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 03, 2020, 07:00:08 AM
Quote from: ritter on February 02, 2020, 11:56:42 PM
Wecome back, John! To be honest, though, your absence was barely noticed ;) ;D

I barely noticed it myself! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 03, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2020, 07:00:08 AM
I barely noticed it myself! ;D
Next thing you'll be listening to Tubin 24 hours a day!

Glad you decided not to leave.

Of course I'm intending to abandon the forum myself in order to listen to nothing other than Country and Western music for the next seventeen months - but that's another story!

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 03, 2020, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 02, 2020, 09:21:33 PM
Billie Eilish gives me hope.
I have to confess that I really like her song 'Everything I Wanted'. My daughter is an admirer too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 03, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 03, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
Next thing you'll be listening to Tubin 24 hours a day!

Glad you decided not to leave.

Of course I'm intending to abandon the forum myself in order to listen to nothing other than Country and Western music for the next seventeen months - but that's another story!

8)

Thanks, well I got to thinking how I love this music and I could never truly abandon it even if I intended on taking a long break from it. Country and Western music, eh? Well, giddy-up! :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 03, 2020, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 03, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
Next thing you'll be listening to Tubin 24 hours a day!

Glad you decided not to leave.

Of course I'm intending to abandon the forum myself in order to listen to nothing other than Country and Western music for the next seventeen months - but that's another story!

8)

True story: this evening, when my old friend Scott took me grocery shopping, he played me this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jo9kkmQ_fU

"(You're wanted by the PO-lice, and) My Wife Thinks You're Dead"
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 04, 2020, 12:59:23 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 03, 2020, 05:16:33 PM
True story: this evening, when my old friend Scott took me grocery shopping, he played me this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jo9kkmQ_fU

"(You're wanted by the PO-lice, and) My Wife Thinks You're Dead"

Very nice Karl!
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on February 08, 2020, 12:44:47 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2020, 07:00:08 AM
I barely noticed it myself! ;D
Who was absent?  ???
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 03, 2020, 05:16:33 PM
True story: this evening, when my old friend Scott took me grocery shopping, he played me this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jo9kkmQ_fU

"(You're wanted by the PO-lice, and) My Wife Thinks You're Dead"

Both obviously true.  $:) BTW, will be spending six days in Manhattan and around (cheap hotel in Dutch Kills, of course  ;D) last week of April. You won´t be around, will you?  :-X
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 08, 2020, 06:18:19 AM
Quote from: Christo on February 08, 2020, 12:44:47 AM
Who was absent?  ???

Good question. :-\ ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 11, 2020, 10:26:38 PM
I'm very pleased to say that I've received a PM from Pohjola's Daughter (now finally emerged from Tuonela!). She has been rather busy but intends to drop by from time-to-time.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on February 12, 2020, 07:45:55 AM
She has indeed made a most welcome return  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 12, 2020, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: aligreto on February 12, 2020, 07:45:55 AM
She has indeed made a most welcome return  8)
Thank you!   :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on February 12, 2020, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on February 12, 2020, 08:44:13 AM
Thank you!   :)

Nice to see you around here again  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Alek Hidell on February 12, 2020, 05:46:27 PM
Welcome back, P.D.!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2020, 06:02:26 PM
Quote from: aligreto on February 12, 2020, 09:53:54 AM
Nice to see you around here again  :)

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 12, 2020, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: aligreto on February 12, 2020, 09:53:54 AM
Nice to see you around here again  :)

+ 2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on February 13, 2020, 02:43:05 AM
Quote from: Alek Hidell on February 12, 2020, 05:46:27 PM
Welcome back, P.D.!

+ 2,5  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 13, 2020, 04:34:51 AM
A warm thank you to all!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 13, 2020, 05:26:48 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on February 13, 2020, 04:34:51 AM
A warm thank you to all!

PD

Hey, long time, no see. Welcome back!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 13, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
Thanks Wanderer!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on February 13, 2020, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on February 13, 2020, 04:34:51 AM
A warm thank you to all!

PD

That nordic light avatar was missed  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 13, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: André on February 13, 2020, 11:46:38 AM
That nordic light avatar was missed  ;)

How true!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Spineur is back with the GMG gang.  I see that most of you are still there.

During this locked-down period, my occupation (besides listening to beautiful classical music) amounts to cooking fantastic meals, and visiting my 300 bottles wine cellar.  So life could be worse, as the brexit saga has also allowed me to stock on whiskies.  These are the liquid assets I really need !

During my two year absence, my classical music collection has significantly expanded.  It is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on March 18, 2020, 11:19:43 AM
Quote from: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Spineur is back with the GMG gang.  I see that most of you are still there.

During this locked-down period, my occupation (besides listening to beautiful classical music) amounts to cooking fantastic meals, and visiting my 300 bottles wine cellar.  So life could be worse, as the brexit saga has also allowed me to stock on whiskies.  These are the liquid assets I really need !

During my two year absence, my classical music collection has significantly expanded.  It is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.

👍🥳

Welcome back !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on March 18, 2020, 11:42:36 AM
It's a great pleasure to see you back here on GMG, Spineur, and I'm glad to learn you are fine.

You've been missed (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,24790.msg1267592.html#msg1267592).

Amitiés,
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on March 18, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Spineur is back with the GMG gang.  I see that most of you are still there.

During this locked-down period, my occupation (besides listening to beautiful classical music) amounts to cooking fantastic meals, and visiting my 300 bottles wine cellar.  So life could be worse, as the brexit saga has also allowed me to stock on whiskies.  These are the liquid assets I really need !

During my two year absence, my classical music collection has significantly expanded.  It is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.
Nice!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 18, 2020, 12:59:13 PM
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 18, 2020, 02:41:59 PM
Great to see you back. It's always nice to see someone who has gone AWOl return!
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on March 18, 2020, 02:46:11 PM
Welcome back Spineur.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on March 18, 2020, 02:53:36 PM
Quote from: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Spineur is back with the GMG gang.  I see that most of you are still there.

During this locked-down period, my occupation (besides listening to beautiful classical music) amounts to cooking fantastic meals, and visiting my 300 bottles wine cellar.  So life could be worse, as the brexit saga has also allowed me to stock on whiskies.  These are the liquid assets I really need !

During my two year absence, my classical music collection has significantly expanded.  It is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.
Hello, I don't believe that we've met before but delighted to meet you...looking forward to what you are listening to and also what mealtime is like for you too!   :)

Best wishes,

PD

p.s.  A sign of the times, at first I thought that your avatar was wearing a mask (a regular one)!   ::)

p.p.s. Just read about a distillery who is making free hand sanitizer for folks in Atlanta!   8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on March 18, 2020, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Spineur is back with the GMG gang.  I see that most of you are still there.

During this locked-down period, my occupation (besides listening to beautiful classical music) amounts to cooking fantastic meals, and visiting my 300 bottles wine cellar.  So life could be worse, as the brexit saga has also allowed me to stock on whiskies.  These are the liquid assets I really need !

During my two year absence, my classical music collection has significantly expanded.  It is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.

Welcome back!
If I may say so, your return is the sort of cheerful news we need to hear right now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on March 18, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Spineur is back with the GMG gang.  I see that most of you are still there.

During this locked-down period, my occupation (besides listening to beautiful classical music) amounts to cooking fantastic meals, and visiting my 300 bottles wine cellar.  So life could be worse, as the brexit saga has also allowed me to stock on whiskies.  These are the liquid assets I really need !

During my two year absence, my classical music collection has significantly expanded.  It is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.
Good to see you're back, Spineur!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 18, 2020, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: JBS on March 18, 2020, 03:13:41 PM
Welcome back!
If I may say so, your return is the sort of cheerful news we need to hear right now.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on March 19, 2020, 05:54:36 AM
Quote from: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Spineur is back with the GMG gang.  I see that most of you are still there.

During this locked-down period, my occupation (besides listening to beautiful classical music) amounts to cooking fantastic meals, and visiting my 300 bottles wine cellar.  So life could be worse, as the brexit saga has also allowed me to stock on whiskies.  These are the liquid assets I really need !

During my two year absence, my classical music collection has significantly expanded.  It is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.

Welcome back. Many, including myself, would envy your current domestic situation. I love your avatar  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on March 19, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
Quote from: Spineur on March 18, 2020, 10:22:19 AMIt is time for me to tell you about the pieces I fell in love with, in the appropriate threads.

Now we're talking! See you on the Vaughan Williams Veranda, wine or no wine (I just own about 50 botles, they tend to be short-living).  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 19, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
I am not exactly missing, but it seems as if this Internet Schoolin' Thinga-Ma-Bob will be much more galling, frustrating, tedious, time-consuming, and overall educationally disastrous than anyone knew.

Except for me: I predicted a disaster, and the ship of my school began sinking yesterday.   ???  Whether it sinks slowly or quickly will not matter much!   8)

As a result, I barely have time to type this, since I am expected to answer literally dozens of e-mails from parents and students about...anything and everything!  Few are legitimate questions, most stem from incompetence.   ;)

Back to checking for the latest e-mail flurry!  In my head I am playing the Sibelius Seventh Symphony right now.   Earlier it was Hartmann's Eighth Symphony and Scriabin's (via Alexander Nemtin) opening movement to the Mysterium.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 19, 2020, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 19, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
I am not exactly missing, but it seems as if this Internet Schoolin' Thinga-Ma-Bob will be much more galling, frustrating, tedious, time-consuming, and overall educationally disastrous than anyone knew.

Except for me: I predicted a disaster, and the ship of my school began sinking yesterday.   ???  Whether it sinks slowly or quickly will not matter much!   8)

As a result, I barely have time to type this, since I am expected to answer literally dozens of e-mails from parents and students about...anything and everything!  Few are legitimate questions, most stem from incompetence.   ;)

Back to checking for the latest e-mail flurry!  In my head I am playing the Sibelius Seventh Symphony right now.   Earlier it was Hartmann's Eighth Symphony and Scriabin's (via Alexander Nemtin) opening movement to the Mysterium.


Can you create a FAQ? Maybe that would be something you could send out periodically for kids to consult (maybe daily initially and then less so as time goes one)? Of course, this only works if the questions are overlapping to a reasonable degree.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on March 19, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 19, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
I am not exactly missing, but it seems as if this Internet Schoolin' Thinga-Ma-Bob will be much more galling, frustrating, tedious, time-consuming, and overall educationally disastrous than anyone knew.

Except for me: I predicted a disaster, and the ship of my school began sinking yesterday.   ???  Whether it sinks slowly or quickly will not matter much!   8)

As a result, I barely have time to type this, since I am expected to answer literally dozens of e-mails from parents and students about...anything and everything!  Few are legitimate questions, most stem from incompetence.   ;)

Back to checking for the latest e-mail flurry!  In my head I am playing the Sibelius Seventh Symphony right now.   Earlier it was Hartmann's Eighth Symphony and Scriabin's (via Alexander Nemtin) opening movement to the Mysterium.

Announce to your students you will only answer emails that are written in Latin.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 19, 2020, 01:05:02 PM
Quote from: JBS on March 19, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
Announce to your students you will only answer emails that are written in Latin.

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 19, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Quote from: JBS on March 19, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
Announce to your students you will only answer emails that are written in Latin.

A much needed laugjter in these hard times, thank you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on March 19, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
Welcome back, Spineur! I hope you and the others are safe in these turbulent times.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 19, 2020, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 19, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
Welcome back, Spineur! I hope you and the others are safe in these turbulent times.

Yes!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 19, 2020, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: JBS on March 19, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
Announce to your students you will only answer emails that are written in Latin.

I am approaching that threshold!   0:)  Except it would probably mean more things to correct!   ;)  Quizzes on paper which would take me 20 minutes to grade with a pen are now taking all day!  And I mean from 6:30 A.M. until 8:30 P.M. with very little respite in between.   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on March 20, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
Nice to see you again, Spineur!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on March 21, 2020, 04:10:04 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 19, 2020, 04:54:01 PM
I am approaching that threshold!   0:)  Except it would probably mean more things to correct!   ;)  Quizzes on paper which would take me 20 minutes to grade with a pen are now taking all day!  And I mean from 6:30 A.M. until 8:30 P.M. with very little respite in between.   0:)
Nooo!   :o :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 21, 2020, 04:47:07 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on March 21, 2020, 04:10:04 AM
Nooo!   :o :(

Unfortunately, yes, and yesterday also took longer: 20 quizzes kept me busy all day with constant e-mails with corrections...because it is impossible now to do anything en masse.

So, I will be reducing the size of the quizzes to probably 3 sentences, and will grade them only once.  If errors persist, too bad: that will be the grade you get!

This coming week is our scheduled Spring vacation (there was also an Easter Vacation scheduled, but it is unclear if that will be cancelled), so a respite is coming.

Perhaps I can listen to a CD or two then!   ;) 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 21, 2020, 04:47:48 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 19, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
I am not exactly missing, but it seems as if this Internet Schoolin' Thinga-Ma-Bob will be much more galling, frustrating, tedious, time-consuming, and overall educationally disastrous than anyone knew.

Except for me: I predicted a disaster, and the ship of my school began sinking yesterday.   ???  Whether it sinks slowly or quickly will not matter much!   8)

As a result, I barely have time to type this, since I am expected to answer literally dozens of e-mails from parents and students about...anything and everything!  Few are legitimate questions, most stem from incompetence.   ;)

Back to checking for the latest e-mail flurry!  In my head I am playing the Sibelius Seventh Symphony right now.   Earlier it was Hartmann's Eighth Symphony and Scriabin's (via Alexander Nemtin) opening movement to the Mysterium.
I can identify with you very much Leo. My experience at school has not been dissimilar. I'm now starting to receive 'help me now' type emails from students who didn't bother to listen in the lesson to the 'online lesson' instructions. Some of them live in different time zones and the internet connections can be unreliable. What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 26, 2020, 03:44:46 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 21, 2020, 04:47:48 AM
I can identify with you very much Leo. My experience at school has not been dissimilar. I'm now starting to receive 'help me now' type emails from students who didn't bother to listen in the lesson to the 'online lesson' instructions. Some of them live in different time zones and the internet connections can be unreliable. What could possibly go wrong?

Many thanks for the nice response!

2020 has turned out to be much more hectic than I wanted!  It seems that Ken B has left the GMG club?  Was there a reason or did he just fade away?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on March 26, 2020, 06:48:44 AM
I seem to remember there was some altercation some months ago, with accusations being flung back and forth, and then Ken deleted his account. I can't for the life of me remember what it was all about. Very sad.

I'm also worried about John (Mirror Image). He's been absent for more than a week, and AFAIK this time around he didn't announce his departure for any reason. I sent him a PM, but there's been no reply.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 26, 2020, 07:48:15 AM
Quote from: ritter on March 26, 2020, 06:48:44 AM
I seems to remember there was some altercation some months ago, with accusations being flung back and forth, and then Ken deleted his account. I can't for the life of me remember what it was all about. Very sad.

I'm also worried about John (Mirror Image). He's been absent for more than a week, and AFAIK this time around he didn't announce his departure for any reason. I sent him a PM, but there's been no reply.


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What else can be said?!   
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on March 26, 2020, 08:59:22 AM
Maybe he's hunkered down dealing with family matters, work, etc. during all of this chaos?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on March 26, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: ritter on March 26, 2020, 06:48:44 AM
I seems to remember there was some altercation some months ago, with accusations being flung back and forth, and then Ken deleted his account. I can't for the life of me remember what it was all about. Very sad.

It was an altercation about what could be discussed in a thread. The substance of the tread was irrelevant. Pointless.

QuoteI'm also worried about John (Mirror Image). He's been absent for more than a week, and AFAIK this time around he didn't announce his departure for any reason. I sent him a PM, but there's been no reply.


Worrying. For John the flamboyant announcement of departure is usually the main reason for departing. His Facebook has also been quiet. He works in retail, I believe, and might be at high risk of exposure. I hope he's safe. I just found out that a former work colleague likely has it, quarantined at home with high fever and flu-like symptoms.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on March 26, 2020, 10:31:29 AM
John (MI) is taking a break from classical music, I'm sure he'll return sooner or later.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 26, 2020, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: North Star on March 26, 2020, 10:31:29 AM
John (MI) is taking a break from classical music, I'm sure he'll return sooner or later.

Very good; kiitos, Karlo!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 26, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: North Star on March 26, 2020, 10:31:29 AM
John (MI) is taking a break from classical music, I'm sure he'll return sooner or later.
Thanks Karlo.
Hope he returns soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on March 27, 2020, 01:25:50 PM
I received a short but nice email from Maciek  :). Such a great guy!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 27, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
Quote from: André on March 27, 2020, 01:25:50 PM
I received a short but nice email from Maciek  :). Such a great guy!

Excellent!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 29, 2020, 12:33:10 AM
Bogey's birthday today, but sadly no sign of him for a long time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on March 29, 2020, 12:35:30 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 29, 2020, 12:33:10 AM
Bogey's birthday today, but sadly no sign of him for a long time.

Sadly indeed!  :) Hopefully he is just too busy with real life.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 29, 2020, 12:37:39 AM
Quote from: Que on March 29, 2020, 12:35:30 AM
Sadly indeed!  :) Hopefully he is just too busy with real life.

Q

Yes, let's hope so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on March 29, 2020, 01:16:09 AM
Quote from: André on March 27, 2020, 01:25:50 PM
I received a short but nice email from Maciek  :). Such a great guy!
Maciek! + 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 12, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Just noticed that our fellow Marc deleted his account. Does anyone know what happened with him?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on April 12, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
I think I just posted once since the pandemic started back when it was just an epidemic. I have been busy (and safe) and have lost about 10 lbs. Otherwise everything is well.

I am back but won't be posting a lot like before, though.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on April 12, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 12, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Just noticed that our fellow Marc deleted his account. Does anyone know what happened with him?

Why for Pete's sake would Mark delete his account. That is a huge loss for GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 12, 2020, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on April 12, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Why for Pete's sake would Mark delete his account. That is a huge loss for GMG.

+ 1.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 12, 2020, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on April 12, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Why for Pete's sake would Mark delete his account. That is a huge loss for GMG.

+ 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 12, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on April 12, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Why for Pete's sake would Mark delete his account. That is a huge loss for GMG.

+1

Very unexpected I think  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 12, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
This is very sudden. Hopefully he is alive and well. That's all that matters, really.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 12, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: André on April 12, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
This is very sudden. Hopefully he is alive and well. That's all that matters, really.

Yes, I am a rather concerned about him, and I have sent him an email, hoping that he hasn't changed the address as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 12, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 12, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Just noticed that our fellow Marc deleted his account. Does anyone know what happened with him?

Damnit... Marc, come back!  :-[

I have reason to believe that the reappearance of a certain member might have something to do with this.

But it is a personal hunch, and it ultimately doesn't make a difference - Marc's return is more important than the reason he left.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 12, 2020, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: Que on April 12, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
Damnit... Marc, come back!  :-[

I have reason to believe that the reappearance of a certain member might have something to do with this.

But it is a personal hunch, and it ultimately doesn't make a difference - Marc's return is more important than the reason he left.

Q

That's my personal hunch as well, and I agree with your assessment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on April 12, 2020, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: André on April 12, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
This is very sudden. Hopefully he is alive and well. That's all that matters, really.

If he deleted his account he was alive and chipper enough to go on the internet. When I've deleted my account here it's usually because there are pressing matters in my life and I need to eliminate temptations to be distracted. I think Marc mentioned that as a result of the coronavirus downturn his contract might not be renewed. Probably he is focusing on maintaining employment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 12, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on April 12, 2020, 12:03:47 PM
I think Marc mentioned that as a result of the coronavirus downturn his contract might not be renewed. Probably he is focusing on maintaining employment.

Yes, that is right, but he has been in that situation before, while staying here.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 12, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
I do hope Marc is well, and comes back soon. His contributions were valuable and a pleasure to read.

Another member who's been absent (for months, in this case) is king ubu. Anyone had news from him?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 12, 2020, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: Que on April 12, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
I have reason to believe that the reappearance of a certain member might have something to do with this.

Some of Marc's posts might give the impression that he got tired of the forum in general.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: staxomega on April 12, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
Quote from: "Harry" on April 12, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Why for Pete's sake would Mark delete his account. That is a huge loss for GMG.

Agreed, I really enjoyed his organ posts :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 12, 2020, 11:48:26 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on April 12, 2020, 12:28:26 PM
Some of Marc's posts might give the impression that he got tired of the forum in general.

True.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM
Quote from: springrite on April 12, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
I think I just posted once since the pandemic started back when it was just an epidemic. I have been busy (and safe) and have lost about 10 lbs. Otherwise everything is well.

I am back but won't be posting a lot like before, though.

Hope you keep safe and well Paul.
All strength to you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 13, 2020, 01:53:42 AM
Marc writes in a mail he recently sent me, that he is in good health and wish all of you the best.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 13, 2020, 01:55:40 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on April 13, 2020, 01:53:42 AM
Marc writes in a mail he recently sent me, that he is in good health and wish all of you the best.
Good news!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 13, 2020, 02:07:08 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on April 13, 2020, 01:53:42 AM
Marc writes in a mail he recently sent me, that he is in good health and wish all of you the best.

Thanks!  :)

Please wish him an enjoyable break from the forum, which most of us need from time to time.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: GioCar on April 13, 2020, 04:20:35 AM
Quote from: ritter on April 12, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
Another member who's been absent (for months, in this case) is king ubu. Anyone had news from him?

Hola Rafael,
I'm in contact with him on a quite regular basis. He's well, although he underwent a little surgery a few weeks ago, just before the Covid patients started flooding the hospitals. But now he's ok, a bit depressed because of the cancellation of all music events in Zurich. He used to go somewhere (concerts, opera, jazz, etc.) almost every evening. Hard times for someone like him, now...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 13, 2020, 04:51:21 AM
Quote from: springrite on April 12, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
I think I just posted once since the pandemic started back when it was just an epidemic. I have been busy (and safe) and have lost about 10 lbs. Otherwise everything is well.

I am back but won't be posting a lot like before, though.
Stay healthy and safe!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 13, 2020, 04:53:10 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on April 13, 2020, 04:51:21 AM
Stay healthy and safe!

Big + 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 13, 2020, 05:13:06 AM
Quote from: GioCar on April 13, 2020, 04:20:35 AM
Hola Rafael,
I'm in contact with him on a quite regular basis. He's well, although he underwent a little surgery a few weeks ago, just before the Covid patients started flooding the hospitals. But now he's ok, a bit depressed because of the cancellation of all music events in Zurich. He used to go somewhere (concerts, opera, jazz, etc.) almost every evening. Hard times for someone like him, now...
Grazie, Gio. Good to know his better now. Perhaps sharing his enthusiasm for music o  GMG can help bolster king ubu's spirits (but that's for him to decide, of course).

Ti saluto,

Rafael
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on April 13, 2020, 06:38:58 AM
Quote from: GioCar on April 13, 2020, 04:20:35 AM
Hola Rafael,
I'm in contact with him on a quite regular basis. He's well, although he underwent a little surgery a few weeks ago, just before the Covid patients started flooding the hospitals. But now he's ok, a bit depressed because of the cancellation of all music events in Zurich. He used to go somewhere (concerts, opera, jazz, etc.) almost every evening. Hard times for someone like him, now...

The shelter at home orders have not affected my lifestyle at all. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on April 13, 2020, 07:37:05 AM
Quote from: hvbias on April 12, 2020, 01:54:02 PM
Agreed, I really enjoyed his organ posts :(

Same here, his knowledge and good humor will be missed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on April 14, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
I stumbled across this, which seems to mark the point where Marc decided to hit the eject button:

Quote from: Marc on March 10, 2020, 11:01:31 AM
This board is getting boring. I'm outta here.

In the venerable where are you on the political spectrum thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 15, 2020, 12:18:02 AM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on April 14, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
I stumbled across this, which seems to mark the point where Marc decided to hit the eject button:

In the venerable where are you on the political spectrum thread.

You got that post completely wrong. Read it in the context and you'll see what I mean. Further proof is that he deleted his account much later and after posting quite a lot of other posts in other threads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 20, 2020, 01:52:10 PM
I haven't seen aligreto the last week, It's unusual for him with long pauses.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 04:41:40 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on April 20, 2020, 01:52:10 PM
I haven't seen aligreto the last week, It's unusual for him with long pauses.

Fear not for he has just returned from his travels around the house many times  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 21, 2020, 05:34:07 AM
Quote from: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 04:41:40 AM
Fear not for he has just returned from his travels around the house many times  ;D
Welcome back! Tell us all about your adventures.... ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 06:07:51 AM
Well Sir, in the jungle of a room in the midst of redecoration there were many dangerous obstacles to overcome. However, I did prevail and subsequently emerged with a profusion of glorious surrounding mono colour.
I also had many scary adventures scaling the heights of my staircase many times but I finally succeeded in achieving the summit attic. After so many precarious adventures one is left exhausted and is only more than willing to return to the quiet life once more.
I trust that my trials and tribulations do not adversely affect your gentle constitution.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 21, 2020, 06:29:44 AM
Fascinating, Sir! In the current circumstances, that reads almost like a novel by R. L. Stevenson... :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 21, 2020, 06:45:07 AM
Quote from: ritter on April 21, 2020, 06:29:44 AM
Fascinating, Sir! In the current circumstances, that reads almost like a novel by R. L. Stevenson... :)

Voyage autour de ma chambre! (it was actually written, by Xavier de Maistre)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 07:15:15 AM
Quote from: ritter on April 21, 2020, 06:29:44 AM
Fascinating, Sir! In the current circumstances, that reads almost like a novel by R. L. Stevenson... :)

Well Sir, I am considering a leather bound vellum edition with gold leaf trimmings of my rustic tales. Should it come to fruition I will forward an autographed copy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 07:16:07 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 21, 2020, 06:45:07 AM
Voyage autour de ma chambre! (it was actually written, by Xavier de Maistre)

'Phoning my legal team to investigate any copyright due to me  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 21, 2020, 07:17:57 AM
Quote from: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 07:16:07 AM
'Phoning my legal team to investigate any copyright due to me  ;)
:laugh:  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 21, 2020, 07:22:01 AM
Quote from: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 07:16:07 AM
'Phoning my legal team to investigate any copyright due to me  ;)

Taisteal timpeall mo sheomra?  :D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 21, 2020, 07:22:01 AM
Taisteal timpeall mo sheomra?  :D

Maith an fear  8)

I will give you all translation rights  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 21, 2020, 07:32:17 AM
Quote from: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 07:24:06 AM
Maith an fear  8)

I will give you all translation rights  ;)

I'll settle for fifty-fifty and a box of your favorite Pinot Noir :-*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 21, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: aligreto on April 21, 2020, 04:41:40 AM
Fear not for he has just returned from his travels around the house many times  ;D
Excellent news!
Sounds like you have been on an epic adventure which surely should be made into a film.
Soundtrack by Dario Marianelli (of 'Everest' fame).
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 22, 2020, 05:47:04 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 21, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
Excellent news!
Sounds like you have been on an epic adventure which surely should be made into a film.
Soundtrack by Dario Marianelli (of 'Everest' fame).
:)

Jeffrey, I am simply worn out after my travels and adventures but the stories yet to be recounted will compensate for my travails.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 22, 2020, 06:00:04 AM
Quote from: aligreto on April 22, 2020, 05:47:04 AM
Jeffrey, I am simply worn out after my travels and adventures but the stories yet to be recounted will compensate for my travails.
Excellent Fergus. Delighted to hear it!
;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on May 11, 2020, 06:23:23 PM
He has decamped for the other forum. He occasionally surfaces here when the other forum had technical difficulties.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 11, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
Quote from: FelixSkodi on May 11, 2020, 06:19:47 PM
Is Don/Bulldog still around?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask.

No, this is the place. I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on May 11, 2020, 07:07:08 PM
Quote from: FelixSkodi on May 11, 2020, 06:24:00 PM
Do you mean CMG?

TC
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ratliff on May 11, 2020, 07:22:38 PM
Quote from: FelixSkodi on May 11, 2020, 07:18:44 PM
Thanks! Just glanced over there and saw Heck as well.  ;D

Shhhh, you didn't hear it from me!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: FelixSkodi on May 11, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: Baron Scarpia on May 11, 2020, 07:22:38 PM
Shhhh, you didn't hear it from me!

Mum's the word.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on May 14, 2020, 08:23:47 PM
Hi all, I hope you're all doing well doing in these most unusual times! It's been quite a while since I've posted here on GMG, and having recently completed my bachelor's degree in cello performance at Carnegie Mellon University I'll have more free time until - hopefully (given the circumstances) - beginning my masters' degree at the Eastman School of Music in the fall. Though I haven't been posting here much, I've still been listening to a lot of music and making great new discoveries all the time which I hope to share with you all! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 14, 2020, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: kyjo on May 14, 2020, 08:23:47 PM
Hi all, I hope you're all doing well doing in these most unusual times! It's been quite a while since I've posted here on GMG, and having recently completed my bachelor's degree in cello performance at Carnegie Mellon University I'll have more free time until - hopefully (given the circumstances) - beginning my masters' degree at the Eastman School of Music in the fall. Though I haven't been posting here much, I've still been listening to a lot of music and making great new discoveries all the time which I hope to share with you all! :)

Congrats, Kyle!
My brother was an Eastman grad. Great school, well done!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on May 14, 2020, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: kyjo on May 14, 2020, 08:23:47 PM
Hi all, I hope you're all doing well doing in these most unusual times! It's been quite a while since I've posted here on GMG, and having recently completed my bachelor's degree in cello performance at Carnegie Mellon University I'll have more free time until - hopefully (given the circumstances) - beginning my masters' degree at the Eastman School of Music in the fall. Though I haven't been posting here much, I've still been listening to a lot of music and making great new discoveries all the time which I hope to share with you all! :)

Good to see you back, Kyle! Congratulations on obtaining your bachelor's and continuing your studies at the Eastman School of Music! Very impressive, indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on May 27, 2020, 10:31:28 PM
Is it just me, or did about a page's worth of the most recent posts in this thread get deleted within the past few days?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on May 27, 2020, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: kyjo on May 27, 2020, 10:31:28 PM
Is it just me, or did about a page's worth of the most recent posts in this thread get deleted within the past few days?

You must haved missed the crash:

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,29856.0.html

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on June 03, 2020, 06:21:24 PM
There's been another one.

As has been noted elsewhere, SimonNZ's departure has been unexpectedly erased from history. Which is nice for those who lamented Simon's departure, though possibly not in accordance with his own wishes...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 03, 2020, 11:18:12 PM
Quote from: Madiel on June 03, 2020, 06:21:24 PM
There's been another one.

As has been noted elsewhere, SimonNZ's departure has been unexpectedly erased from history. Which is nice for those who lamented Simon's departure, though possibly not in accordance with his own wishes...

Don't worry, he's returned.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on June 04, 2020, 12:03:26 AM
Well that's good. The gods of PHP code clearly were unhappy about the situation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on June 04, 2020, 12:38:49 AM
Quote from: Madiel on June 03, 2020, 06:21:24 PM
As has been noted elsewhere, SimonNZ's departure has been unexpectedly erased from history. Which is nice for those who lamented Simon's departure, though possibly not in accordance with his own wishes...

Why not welcome him back?  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 11, 2020, 01:06:51 AM
Hopefully Fergus/Aligreto must be busy in his garden or DIY'ing again, not been on this month...  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:07:48 AM
Baron Scarpia / Ratliff deleted (again) his account and it looks like the reason is disagreement with (one of the) mods over the newly created political thread. If this is true then it's more proof, if any was still needed, that for some people politics (and having their own way with it) is the main motivation of being here, not music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 11, 2020, 07:14:01 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:07:48 AM
Baron Scarpia / Ratliff deleted (again) his account and it looks like the reason is disagreement with (one of the) mods over the newly created political thread. If this is true then it's more proof, if any was still needed, that for some people politics (and having their own way with it) is the main motivation of being here, not music.

I tend to agree with this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 07:14:49 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:07:48 AM
Baron Scarpia / Ratliff deleted (again) his account and it looks like the reason is disagreement with (one of the) mods over the newly created political thread. If this is true then it's more proof, if any was still needed, that for some people politics (and having their own way with it) is the main motivation of being here, not music.

Oh well...gone again, eh? :( I liked Scarpia and if he did leave because of the political thread(s), then, yes, it is proof that he wasn't here to discuss music and further illustrates my own point about how nothing can be gained on a MUSIC FORUM from political discussion of any kind. I agree with what San Antonio wrote on the new US politics, which the post is apparently deleted but he basically said that political threads have done more harm than good in the effect that it has turned more people against each other rather than bringing them together.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:17:37 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 07:14:49 AM
Oh well...gone again, eh? :( I liked Scarpia and if he did leave because of the political thread(s), then, yes, it is proof that he wasn't here to discuss music and further illustrates my own point about how nothing can be gained on a MUSIC FORUM from political discussion of any kind. I agree with what San Antonio wrote on the new US politics, which the post is apparently deleted but he basically said that political threads have done more harm than good in the effect that it has turned more people against each other than bring people together.

Can you guess what topic, after politics, is the second most divisive and likely to turn people against each other here on GMG? :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 07:26:02 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:17:37 AM
Can you guess what topic, after politics, is the second most divisive and likely to turn people against each other here on GMG? :D

The Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey historical memoirs? ;) :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:27:21 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 07:26:02 AM
The Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey historical memoirs? ;) :P

That's the third. I was asking for the second.  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on June 11, 2020, 07:28:26 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:07:48 AM
Baron Scarpia / Ratliff deleted (again) his account...

Almost the last thing he did was to give me some extremely helpful advice on setting up a hi-fi system.  Thanks for that, Scarpia, if you're back having a quick lurk.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:30:59 AM
Quote from: DaveF on June 11, 2020, 07:28:26 AM
Almost the last thing he did was to give me some extremely helpful advice on setting up a hi-fi system. 

He is indeed very knowledgeable about this sort of stuff. Also a fine music connoisseur. If he could only have stuck with that and avoided politics altogether...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 07:31:45 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:27:21 AM
That's the third. I was asking for the second.  :P

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 11, 2020, 07:36:18 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on June 11, 2020, 07:14:01 AM
I tend to agree with this.

So do I, but still Scarpia made some interesting posts about music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 11, 2020, 07:37:57 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 11, 2020, 07:36:18 AM
So do I, but still Scarpia made some interesting posts about music.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 11, 2020, 07:40:54 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:27:21 AM
That's the third. I was asking for the second.  :P

Must be HIP/non-HIP discussions. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:43:10 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 11, 2020, 07:40:54 AM
Must be HIP/non-HIP discussions. ;)

Actually, HIP/non-HIP discussions is a subset of that larger topic.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on June 11, 2020, 07:56:53 AM
I have seen nothing as combustable as a war that broke out about Haydn Quartets, that must have been about 15 years ago. I was fairly stunned at what I was reading and thought that Haydn would have been too.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 11, 2020, 07:58:29 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:43:10 AM
Actually, HIP/non-HIP discussions is a subset of that larger topic.  ;)

This topic can be thought on in several ways, what about "true to the score vs. subjectivity"?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 11, 2020, 07:58:29 AM
This topic can be thought on in several ways, what about "true to the score vs. subjectivity"?

The topic I mean is hinted at in Knight66's post above, which alluded to another of its subsets. And here's my hint: one word only suffices to define it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 11, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
The topic I mean is hinted at in Knight66's post above, which alluded to another of its subsets. And here's my hint: one word only suffices to define it.

Interpretation?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 11, 2020, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
The topic I mean is hinted at in Knight66's post above, which alluded to another of its subsets. And here's my hint: one word only suffices to define it.

Atonal
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:20:45 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 11, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
Interpretation?

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 11, 2020, 08:19:02 AM
Atonal

Both subsets of that one single topic.

Come on, folks, it's Columbus' egg, really.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 11, 2020, 08:22:53 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:20:45 AM
Both subsets of that one single topic.

Come on, folks, it's Columbus' egg, really.

Music?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:23:46 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 11, 2020, 08:22:53 AM
Music?

Bingo!  :D

We all profess to love music and it's true. Start a topic on one's favorite this or that and divergence and conflict will arise quickly.  :D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 11, 2020, 08:39:50 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:23:46 AM
Bingo!  :D

We all profess to love music and it's true. Start a topic on one's favorite this or that and divergence and conflict will arise quickly.  :D

Not surprising in a music forum BTW. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:42:49 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 11, 2020, 08:39:50 AM
Not surprising in a music forum BTW. :)

Of course not. My point is that singling out politics as potentially divisive and conflictual is not warranted. Music can be such, too. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 10:10:13 AM
I have come to the conclusion that when I hit 50,000 posts, I'm going to retire from the forum. I've just reconnected with some folks at Talk Classical and all is going pretty well I must say.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 10:24:15 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 10:10:13 AM
I have come to the conclusion that when I hit 50,000 posts, I'm going to retire from the forum.

Where did you get such a foolish idea, John?  :D

You can't be serious.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 10:24:15 AM
Where did you get such a foolish idea, John?  :D

You can't be serious.

I don't know, it just feels like a good stopping point. Plus, several GMGers are on Talk Classical now more than are on here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on June 11, 2020, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 10:10:13 AM
I have come to the conclusion that when I hit 50,000 posts, I'm going to retire from the forum. I've just reconnected with some folks at Talk Classical and all is going pretty well I must say.


A man has to do what a man has to do. If Talk classical is the place for you to be so be it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on June 11, 2020, 10:52:04 AM

A man has to do what a man has to do. If Talk classical is the place for you to be so be it.

Well, when the members here are dropping like flies and heading to Talk Classical, then, yes, I'll go where there's a better environment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Andante on June 11, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
Well, when the members here are dropping like flies and heading to Talk Classical, then, yes, I'll go where there's a better environment.

Believe me MI, TC is not a better environment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: Andante on June 11, 2020, 01:49:42 PMBelieve me MI, TC is not a better environment.

How so? If you'd like PM, please do, because I don't want to get any more off-topic than I already have.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on June 11, 2020, 02:18:49 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 07:17:37 AM
Can you guess what topic, after politics, is the second most divisive and likely to turn people against each other here on GMG? :D

Schoenberg.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 11, 2020, 02:36:55 PM
I've missed the posts of Fergus/Aligreto and hope that Baron Scarpia returns in due course.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 11, 2020, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: Florestan on June 11, 2020, 08:42:49 AM
Of course not. My point is that singling out politics as potentially divisive and conflictual is not warranted. Music can be such, too. :D

Agreed, but arguing about music doesn't give rise to spiteful discussions equally often as arguing about politics and religion.

But how far the discussions go is first and foremost a question of moderation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on June 11, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
I do hope that the Baron and, if there are issues, Aligreto, do come back.  Busy at my end so don't have much time/energy to post at the moment, but do care about this forum and wish for peace.  There are so many contributors here whose contributions I value.   :)

Please, let us be kind to one another....life is so short and remember, we came here for the love of music.  Life is hard right now and we're all stressed-out.  What about being there for one another?  Give it a think.....

All the best,

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 11, 2020, 04:37:03 PM
We need more women posters on this forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on June 11, 2020, 05:40:26 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on June 11, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
I do hope that the Baron and, if there are issues, Aligreto, do come back.  Busy at my end so don't have much time/energy to post at the moment, but do care about this forum and wish for peace.  There are so many contributors here whose contributions I value.   :)

Please, let us be kind to one another....life is so short and remember, we came here for the love of music.  Life is hard right now and we're all stressed-out.  What about being there for one another?  Give it a think.....

All the best,

PD

Beautifully said, with special attention to the bolded part. Many of my friends (including a lot of musicians) have had their whole livelihoods yanked out from under them for the foreseeable future. And never mind other stresses about aging family members, the fate of the country, etc.

Quote from: André on June 11, 2020, 04:37:03 PM
We need more women posters on this forum.
So, so true. I think about this often.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Madiel on June 11, 2020, 02:18:49 PM
Schoenberg.

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on June 12, 2020, 12:47:16 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 10:10:13 AM
I have come to the conclusion that when I hit 50,000 posts, I'm going to retire from the forum. I've just reconnected with some folks at Talk Classical and all is going pretty well I must say.

With respect, this seems a bit arbitrary, like deciding that a conversation has to end after a set number of words. If you're still getting something out of it, keep posting.

I had to go look at what your post count was (and the answer was alarming in this context). It's just a number. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why the software cares.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 12, 2020, 01:12:36 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on June 11, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
I do hope that the Baron and, if there are issues, Aligreto, do come back.  Busy at my end so don't have much time/energy to post at the moment, but do care about this forum and wish for peace.  There are so many contributors here whose contributions I value.   :)

Please, let us be kind to one another....life is so short and remember, we came here for the love of music.  Life is hard right now and we're all stressed-out.  What about being there for one another?  Give it a think.....

All the best,

PD
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 12, 2020, 06:34:18 AM
Quote from: Madiel on June 12, 2020, 12:47:16 AM
With respect, this seems a bit arbitrary, like deciding that a conversation has to end after a set number of words. If you're still getting something out of it, keep posting.

I had to go look at what your post count was (and the answer was alarming in this context). It's just a number. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why the software cares.

Perhaps you're right, Madiel. Maybe I'll just continue to post, but much less. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on September 20, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
I think it's time for me to drop off here. I've added enough music to my collection to satisfy me and have cycled all the way round to the non-classical I grew up with again. I also only concentrate on a couple of forums at at a time, and have departed another old forum in favour of a very active one for a new interest plus another I hadn't been on for 18 months but want to revisit.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on September 21, 2020, 12:10:26 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on September 20, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
I think it's time for me to drop off here. I've added enough music to my collection to satisfy me and have cycled all the way round to the non-classical I grew up with again. I also only concentrate on a couple of forums at at a time, and have departed another old forum in favour of a very active one for a new interest plus another I hadn't been on for 18 months but want to revisit.

Hi Steve,

Sorry to see you go.

I enjoyed and i am grateful for our exchanges on the non-classical  thread and your recommendations.

Enjoy your new interest and rekindled ones.

See you around some time maybe.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 21, 2020, 05:48:18 AM
Nice farewell post, Steve. Hopefully it's not an adieu !

Take care!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on September 21, 2020, 06:50:03 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on September 20, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
I think it's time for me to drop off here. I've added enough music to my collection to satisfy me and have cycled all the way round to the non-classical I grew up with again. I also only concentrate on a couple of forums at at a time, and have departed another old forum in favour of a very active one for a new interest plus another I hadn't been on for 18 months but want to revisit.

You might pop in from time to time? There's been some interesting posts from you ...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on September 21, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Thanks guys, yes I could drop by now and again. Take care and enjoy your listening. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 21, 2020, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: steve ridgway on September 21, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Thanks guys, yes I could drop by now and again. Take care and enjoy your listening. 8)

adieu and farewell from me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 21, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 11, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
Well, when the members here are dropping like flies and heading to Talk Classical, then, yes, I'll go where there's a better environment.

Well, I miss your posts John and hope that you'll drop by from time to time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on September 22, 2020, 06:40:15 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on September 21, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Thanks guys, yes I could drop by now and again. Take care and enjoy your listening. 8)
Take care and enjoy your new (latest) voyage!  :)

Best wishes,

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on September 23, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 21, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Well, I miss your posts John and hope that you'll drop by from time to time.

+1 :(

I've also missed (Ghost of) Baron Scarpia's posts recently. He appears to have deleted his account...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 23, 2020, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 23, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
+1 :(

I've also missed (Ghost of) Baron Scarpia's posts recently. He appears to have deleted his account...

Would not surprise me. He was planning to be out of here, then came back a bit, but it wouldn't have taken much to leave completely.

I don't really get the whole account deletion strategy, but it seems a common approach on GMG to send the message that you're gone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 24, 2020, 05:28:45 AM
Quote from: kyjo on September 23, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
+1 :(

I've also missed (Ghost of) Baron Scarpia's posts recently. He appears to have deleted his account...
Doubt he'll be back after the way it ended. Check these:
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,29894.msg1296487.html#msg1296487
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,28827.msg1296752.html#msg1296752
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scion7 on September 24, 2020, 05:48:15 AM
" members here are dropping like flies " - is a bit dramatic - GMG seems just as healthy as ever
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 24, 2020, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: kyjo on September 23, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
+1 :(

I've also missed (Ghost of) Baron Scarpia's posts recently. He appears to have deleted his account...

I'm sorry about that as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MN Dave on September 24, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
What happened to that snyprr guy?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on September 24, 2020, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 24, 2020, 05:28:45 AM
Doubt he'll be back after the way it ended. Check these:
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,29894.msg1296487.html#msg1296487
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,28827.msg1296752.html#msg1296752

A shame that a political thread is causing members to leave a music forum... :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 24, 2020, 09:09:20 PM
Quote from: MN Dave on September 24, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
What happened to that snyprr guy?

I believe he was kicked.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MN Dave on September 25, 2020, 05:35:13 AM
Quote from: Madiel on September 24, 2020, 09:09:20 PM
I believe he was kicked.

Makes sense.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on September 25, 2020, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 23, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
+1 :(

I've also missed (Ghost of) Baron Scarpia's posts recently. He appears to have deleted his account...

I also miss Scarpia. His posts were always interesting. One can still meet him at TC.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on September 26, 2020, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on September 25, 2020, 01:48:38 PM
I also miss Scarpia. His posts were always interesting. One can still meet him at TC.

I wasn't aware that TC allowes political discussions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on September 26, 2020, 02:56:57 AM
Quote from: Que on September 26, 2020, 01:31:31 AM
I wasn't aware that TC allowes political discussions.

They tolerated for some time political comments in their corona thread, which BTW eventually was closed, because it degenerated into an unpleasant political discussion with too many attacks ad hominem. Scarpia was not a part of this.

And I miss him in our forum because of his musical insight.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on September 26, 2020, 04:41:19 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on September 26, 2020, 02:56:57 AM
They tolerated for some time political comments in their corona thread, which BTW eventually was closed, because it degenerated into an unpleasant political discussion with too many attacks ad hominem. Scarpia was not a part of this.

And I miss him in our forum because of his musical insight.

No argument there.

But if discussions on US politics are for several the main attraction of GMG and the main reason to leave, either due to moderating policy or due to created animosity/negativity, then we are doing something seriously wrong here....

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
I couldn't help but notice the suggestions that I left the forum because I am supposedly only interested in political posts. That has nothing to do with my departure. I left because I don't want to participate in a forum where I have been personally attacked by a moderator (Que) and where uncivil personal attacks are tolerated (even though they are, in theory, against the rules). These come from a small number of posters who I think would be permanently banned from 99% of Internet forums (and in some cases have been banned from TC).

I also noticed I have been ridiculed because I am supposedly not interested in music and only want to post about politics. No, i rarely listen to music these days because of extremely difficult and painful personal circumstances which make listening to music almost impossible. Sorry about that. I would come here for some genial conversation, if that were possible.

I have an account here because if I occasionally want to look in I can't see "new posts" without an account. I do not foresee that I will participate here in the future. I do make the occasional contribution to TC, as was noted above.

Formerly Baron Scarpia

P.S., to those who have made appreciative remarks regarding my past participation here, a heartfelt thank you.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on September 26, 2020, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
I left because I don't want to participate in a forum where I have been personally attacked by a moderator (Que)

Just for the record: it's unfortunate if my response to your comments about moderating felt as a personal attack. That was not the point or intention.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 26, 2020, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on September 26, 2020, 02:56:57 AM
They tolerated for some time political comments in their corona thread, which BTW eventually was closed, because it degenerated into an unpleasant political discussion with too many attacks ad hominem. Scarpia was not a part of this

Talk Classical is to GMG what Arithemtic is to Calculus.


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on September 26, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
I couldn't help but notice the suggestions that I left the forum because I am supposedly only interested in political posts. That has nothing to do with my departure. I left because I don't want to participate in a forum where I have been personally attacked by a moderator (Que) and where uncivil personal attacks are tolerated (even though they are, in theory, against the rules). These come from a small number of posters who I think would be permanently banned from 99% of Internet forums (and in some cases have been banned from TC).

I also noticed I have been ridiculed because I am supposedly not interested in music and only want to post about politics. No, i rarely listen to music these days because of extremely difficult and painful personal circumstances which make listening to music almost impossible. Sorry about that. I would come here for some genial conversation, if that were possible.

I have an account here because if I occasionally want to look in I can't see "new posts" without an account. I do not foresee that I will participate here in the future. I do make the occasional contribution to TC, as was noted above.

Formerly Baron Scarpia

P.S., to those who have made appreciative remarks regarding my past participation here, a heartfelt thank you.
I am very sorry that you feel that you were unwelcome.  I know that it's not easy in a virtual world to communicate easily.  I value this site and there are a number of members whose postings I value and enjoy reading.

It distresses me to hear that your are struggling physically to listen to music as I do believe that you love it.  I don't know if this is a permanent illness/pain that you are dealing with or something like the death of a loved one or some other issue that is making it hard for you to listen and enjoy music?  Trying to concentrate on things like music, reading, art...favorite interests/hobbies can be very hard these days and you're certainly not alone....plus just trying to get even the necessities done these days can take a lot more time and is more stressful due to Covid.

I truly wish you all the best and hope that you come back...when you're ready.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 26, 2020, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
I couldn't help but notice the suggestions that I left the forum because I am supposedly only interested in political posts. That has nothing to do with my departure. I left because I don't want to participate in a forum where I have been personally attacked by a moderator (Que) and where uncivil personal attacks are tolerated (even though they are, in theory, against the rules). These come from a small number of posters who I think would be permanently banned from 99% of Internet forums (and in some cases have been banned from TC).
I agree with you. My participation has dwindled as a result. I'm sorry to report that nothing has really changed. I wish you the best!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on September 26, 2020, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on September 26, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
I am very sorry that you feel that you were unwelcome.  I know that it's not easy in a virtual world to communicate easily.  I value this site and there are a number of members whose postings I value and enjoy reading.

It distresses me to hear that your are struggling physically to listen to music as I do believe that you love it.  I don't know if this is a permanent illness/pain that you are dealing with or something like the death of a loved one or some other issue that is making it hard for you to listen and enjoy music?  Trying to concentrate on things like music, reading, art...favorite interests/hobbies can be very hard these days and you're certainly not alone....plus just trying to get even the necessities done these days can take a lot more time and is more stressful due to Covid.

I truly wish you all the best and hope that you come back...when you're ready.

Amen to all PD says.

If I can help in any way, you can reach me via here or Facebook.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 26, 2020, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: JBS on September 26, 2020, 05:21:38 PM
Amen to all PD says.

If I can help in any way, you can reach me via here or Facebook.

+1 from the other Jeffrey.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on September 27, 2020, 04:42:16 AM
+ 2 (from someone who is not named Jeffrey)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 27, 2020, 05:00:27 AM
And so say I
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on September 27, 2020, 06:14:14 AM
Me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 27, 2020, 06:40:20 AM
Thank all for the expressions of concern. Rest assured I am not physically ill. Not to involve you all too much in the soap opera of my life, I have a disabled dependent I must care for, who requires 24/7 supervision, and who will never live an independent life. Combined with other responsibilities, time available for listening to music is nil, now and for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 27, 2020, 06:50:24 AM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on September 27, 2020, 04:42:16 AM
+ 2 (from someone who is not named Jeffrey)
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 27, 2020, 06:53:00 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 27, 2020, 06:40:20 AM
Thank all for the expressions of concern. Rest assured I am not physically ill. Not to involve you all too much in the soap opera of my life, I have a disabled dependent I must care for, who requires 24/7 supervision, and who will never live an independent life. Combined with other responsibilities, time available for listening to music is nil, now and for the foreseeable future.
All strength to you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 27, 2020, 07:02:47 AM
Thank you, even now I can hear the little voice in my head, "why are you wasting time on the computer again?" Or maybe it's not in my head this time. Hard to tell.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on September 27, 2020, 07:50:21 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 27, 2020, 06:40:20 AM
Thank all for the expressions of concern. Rest assured I am not physically ill. Not to involve you all too much in the soap opera of my life, I have a disabled dependent I must care for, who requires 24/7 supervision, and who will never live an independent life. Combined with other responsibilities, time available for listening to music is nil, now and for the foreseeable future.

More power to you, and do chime in when you have a moment !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on September 27, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
That sounds really tough, SH. I echo what Andre says above and wish you all the best.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on September 27, 2020, 08:48:38 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 27, 2020, 06:40:20 AM
Thank all for the expressions of concern. Rest assured I am not physically ill. Not to involve you all too much in the soap opera of my life, I have a disabled dependent I must care for, who requires 24/7 supervision, and who will never live an independent life. Combined with other responsibilities, time available for listening to music is nil, now and for the foreseeable future.

All good things from me too.
Do not forget that you need to look after your own mental and emotional well being both for yourself and to be the best carer that you can be. That can be difficult without feeling selfish but it is a very important point.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on September 28, 2020, 05:17:22 AM
Quote from: Florestan on September 26, 2020, 11:18:54 AM
Talk Classical is to GMG what Arithemtic is to Calculus.
Browsing through Talk Classical I get a certain feeling of being new to an internet forum or rather to the internet as such (which was more than 25 years ago in my case) and there seems nothing more entertaining than Mozart vs. Beethoven, vote your favorite Mahler movement and other silly rankings. But in combination with the inclination to sign up and comment because "someone is wrong on the internet."

https://xkcd.com/386/
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 28, 2020, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on September 28, 2020, 05:17:22 AM
Browsing through Talk Classical I get a certain feeling of being new to an internet forum or rather to the internet as such (which was more than 25 years ago in my case) and there seems nothing more entertaining than Mozart vs. Beethoven, vote your favorite Mahler movement and other silly rankings.

Precisely.

QuoteBut in combination with the inclination to sign up and comment because "someone is wrong on the internet."

https://xkcd.com/386/

Never felt any such inclination. Even the wrongness is at a higher level on GMG.   ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Andante on September 28, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
I do wonder why so many music forums have closed, has it all been said?
I notice that on TC games involving music seem to be popular but not for me.
Are our forums old hat now? ??? ??
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 28, 2020, 11:39:17 PM
Forums in general are old hat to a certain extent, yes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on September 29, 2020, 12:18:55 AM
But doesn't that make it all the more amazing that Talk Classical seems as naively fun and fresh (and silly and occasionally cringey) as the fora or even earlier discussion groups of 15-25 years ago. Apparently there is still an appeal to that stuff. Like discovering that some candy one had had as a kid and totally forgotten about does still exist in the same package with the same flavour.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on September 29, 2020, 03:19:52 AM
If you have any opinions today you shoot of a short Twitter, and that is that. Or even worse, just an instagram picture.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 29, 2020, 06:51:50 AM
Quote from: aligreto on September 27, 2020, 08:48:38 AM
All good things from me too.
Do not forget that you need to look after your own mental and emotional well being both for yourself and to be the best carer that you can be. That can be difficult without feeling selfish but it is a very important point.
+1 Well said Fergus.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 29, 2020, 07:06:22 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 29, 2020, 06:51:50 AM
+1 Well said Fergus.

+ 2.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on September 29, 2020, 07:15:53 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 29, 2020, 06:51:50 AM
+1 Well said Fergus.
+3
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on September 29, 2020, 09:09:11 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 29, 2020, 06:51:50 AM
+1 Well said Fergus.

+ 4
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on September 29, 2020, 09:12:45 AM
+ 5
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 29, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
+ 6
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on October 01, 2020, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: André on September 27, 2020, 07:50:21 AM
More power to you, and do chime in when you have a moment !

+1 All best to you, (formerly) Baron Scarpia.

We also haven't heard from Sarge or Karlo much at all recently. I miss their contributions as well...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on October 01, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: kyjo on October 01, 2020, 02:22:38 PM
+1 All best to you, (formerly) Baron Scarpia.

We also haven't heard from Sarge or Karlo much at all recently. I miss their contributions as well...

Hi Kyle, I'm still here, but I should try to post more often again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 01, 2020, 03:23:22 PM
Wo du bist, Sarge?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on October 01, 2020, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: North Star on October 01, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Hi Kyle, I'm still here, but I should try to post more often again.

Great to hear from you! And yes, you should ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on October 02, 2020, 12:24:33 AM
Quote from: André on October 01, 2020, 03:23:22 PM
Wo du bist, Sarge?
+1 Wo sind Sie, Sarge? ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on October 02, 2020, 12:31:32 AM
If one wants to quote Genesis, the familiar Du would be correct, but André's word order was wrong. Sarge was sighted when that vid with the model pianist in the silver dress was posted. I don't know if this can be translated: You need bacon to catch mice. (Mit Speck fängt man Mäuse.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 02, 2020, 04:53:48 AM
Wo du bist? is how Kurwenal answers Tristan in Act III.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on October 02, 2020, 05:25:17 AM
That's not easy to explain. The only admissible word order for a direct questions "Where are you?" is "Wo bist du?" Tristan ask "Wo bin ich?" (Where am I?) and Kurwenal answering takes up this question, "Wo du bist?" and proceeds with his answer. But this is obviously not a real question asked but rather something like "(you ask), where you are?" Therefore it has the word order of a subclause which is a different from a direct question and almost always puts the verb at the end. It seems to be the same as in English in this particular case.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 02, 2020, 05:44:44 AM
Thanks, Jo !

I guess syntax can be tricky in many languages depending on the context - formal or familiar.

In classic French, that question would be phrased thus: Où es-tu? In everyday language, the familiar 'tu' is often placed first or second, not third: T'es où? or Où t'es ? The t' is a contraction of the pronoun tu. Maybe you know the pop song by belgian singer Stromae, Papaoute, which is a play on words: « Papa, où t'es? » (Dad, where are you? It's about a boy raised without his father).

Of course when addressing someone formally, the syntax is never played with: Où êtes vous?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2020, 07:25:22 AM
I'm here just not very talkative lately. Got other things than music on my mind. Glad to see the "Baron" here again.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 02, 2020, 07:28:05 AM
Quote from: André on October 02, 2020, 05:44:44 AM
Thanks, Jo !

I guess syntax can be tricky in many languages depending on the context - formal or familiar.

In classic French, that question would be phrased thus: Où es-tu? In everyday language, the familiar 'tu' is often placed first or second, not third: T'es où? or Où t'es ? The t' is a contraction of the pronoun tu. Maybe you know the pop song by belgian singer Stromae, Papaoute, which is a play on words: « Papa, où t'es? » (Dad, where are you? It's about a boy raised without his father).

Of course when addressing someone formally, the syntax is never played with: Où êtes vous?
I didn't know that André.  Any idea when this started becoming common?

And hello Sarge!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2020, 07:36:39 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 02, 2020, 07:28:05 AM
And hello Sarge!

PD

Hey, PD

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on October 02, 2020, 07:50:37 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2020, 07:25:22 AM
I'm here just not very talkative lately. Got other things than music on my mind.

Sarge

You take care, Sarge  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 02, 2020, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on October 02, 2020, 07:50:37 AM
You take care, Sarge  :)

A very warm + 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 02, 2020, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2020, 07:25:22 AM
I'm here just not very talkative lately. Got other things than music on my mind. Glad to see the "Baron" here again.

Sarge

Stay safe and well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 02, 2020, 09:18:48 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 02, 2020, 07:28:05 AM
I didn't know that André.  Any idea when this started becoming common?

And hello Sarge!

PD

Probably for centuries. If you check the glossary in the Gallimard edition of Maupassant's Contes normands, you'll find all kinds of such language colloquialisms. Also, check on YT, there are clips on the subject. It's the kind of things textbooks and courses never tell you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5i03JEQ8L8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5i03JEQ8L8)

Excellent short video on common pronunciation issues. She speaks slowly, articulates perfectly and every example is illustrated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on October 02, 2020, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2020, 07:25:22 AM
I'm here just not very talkative lately. Got other things than music on my mind. Glad to see the "Baron" here again.

Sarge

Keep safe !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 02, 2020, 12:24:05 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2020, 07:25:22 AM
I'm here just not very talkative lately. Got other things than music on my mind. Glad to see the "Baron" here again.

Sarge

Gluecklich ist Sarge angekommen!

I usually have Music in my mind, perhaps too often, either my own creations or those of someone else, e.g. right now the last movement of Bruckner's Fifth Symphony has been spinning thanks to my Inner D. J.   8)

Earlier it had been songs from the new Alexander Tcherepnin CD My Flowering Staff.    0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 02, 2020, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: André on October 02, 2020, 09:18:48 AM
Probably for centuries. If you check the glossary in the Gallimard edition of Maupassant's Contes normands, you'll find all kinds of such language colloquialisms. Also, check on YT, there are clips on the subject. It's the kind of things textbooks and courses never tell you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5i03JEQ8L8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5i03JEQ8L8)

Excellent short video on common pronunciation issues. She speaks slowly, articulates perfectly and every example is illustrated.
Thanks André!  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 03, 2020, 01:38:20 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 02, 2020, 07:25:22 AM
I'm here just not very talkative lately. Got other things than music on my mind. Glad to see the "Baron" here again.

Sarge
Nice to see you here too Sarge.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on October 05, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 03, 2020, 01:38:20 PM
Nice to see you here too Sarge.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on October 10, 2020, 01:17:41 PM
I still miss cilgwyn.  :-[
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on October 10, 2020, 03:00:10 PM
Looks like John seriously took a rest by not participating on the forum anymore. I hope he's well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 11, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: Christo on October 10, 2020, 01:17:41 PM
I still miss cilgwyn.  :-[
Me too Johan. I still find the abrupt nature of his departure disconcerting.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 11, 2020, 12:49:30 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 10, 2020, 03:00:10 PM
Looks like John seriously took a rest by not participating on the forum anymore. I hope he's well.
I did PM him and John responded that he just wanted a break to focus on listening to different music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on October 11, 2020, 08:57:30 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 11, 2020, 12:49:30 AM
I did PM him and John responded that he just wanted a break to focus on listening to different music.

Oh, I see. Thank you, Jeffrey.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 11, 2020, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 11, 2020, 08:57:30 AM
Oh, I see. Thank you, Jeffrey.
I hope that he'll be back sooner or later.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 11, 2020, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 11, 2020, 12:19:21 PM
I hope that he'll be back sooner or later.

I am sure he'll be back sooner or later.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on October 31, 2020, 07:00:06 AM
Quote from: Andante on September 28, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
I notice that on TC games involving music seem to be popular but not for me.

The amount of "games" there is too overwhelming, practically reaching the ridiculous. I participated on some "games" but I realized it's pointless and monotonous, so I stopped doing that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:37:56 AM
All the members here who have come back since my previous departure can now go back into hiding because...I'M BACK BABY!!! OH YEAH!!!  >:D But on a more serious note, I hope everyone here is doing great and have been able to endure this terrible time in our history. Let's hope things get better in 2021 (crossing my fingers).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 07, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:37:56 AM
All the members here who have come back since my previous departure can now go back into hiding because...I'M BACK BABY!!! OH YEAH!!!  >:D But on a more serious note, I hope everyone here is doing great and have been able to endure this terrible time in our history. Let's hope things get better in 2021 (crossing my fingers).

Welcome back, John! Please stay!!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:40:22 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 31, 2020, 07:00:06 AM
The amount of "games" there is too overwhelming, practically reaching the ridiculous. I participated on some "games" but I realized it's pointless and monotonous, so I stopped doing that.

It really is absurd the amount of time and energy wasted on those games, because, ultimately like any poll here, they don't really prove anything and, if anything, only reinforce our own prejudices and biases --- I'm certainly not saying that I'm not guilty of extreme biases, but every member here who posts regularly has a history that pretty well documents what we like vs. what we don't like.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 07, 2020, 11:47:33 AM
Welcome back, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 07, 2020, 11:47:33 AM
Welcome back, John!

Thanks, Karl!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 07, 2020, 11:57:26 AM
Hi again, so the sabbatical from classical is over. *thumbs up*
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: Madiel on November 07, 2020, 11:57:26 AM
Hi again, so the sabbatical from classical is over. *thumbs up*

Yes, indeed! Thanks, Madiel!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on November 07, 2020, 12:09:50 PM
Welcome back, John.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on November 07, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Good to see you back, John !  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 07, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:37:56 AM
All the members here who have come back since my previous departure can now go back into hiding because...I'M BACK BABY!!! OH YEAH!!!  >:D But on a more serious note, I hope everyone here is doing great and have been able to endure this terrible time in our history. Let's hope things get better in 2021 (crossing my fingers).
Woohoo! Welcome back John!
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on November 07, 2020, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:37:56 AM
All the members here who have come back since my previous departure can now go back into hiding because...I'M BACK BABY!!! OH YEAH!!!  >:D But on a more serious note, I hope everyone here is doing great and have been able to endure this terrible time in our history. Let's hope things get better in 2021 (crossing my fingers).

I'm sorry to break this to you, but you never left.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on November 07, 2020, 12:40:49 PM
The older you get, the more often you occasionally get a feeling of deja-vu  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: ritter on November 07, 2020, 12:09:50 PM
Welcome back, John.

Quote from: vandermolen on November 07, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
Woohoo! Welcome back John!
:)

Quote from: André on November 07, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Good to see you back, John !  :)

Thank you, gents!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: Que on November 07, 2020, 12:39:09 PM
I'm sorry to break this to you, but you never left.  8)

This is true, but there was an awfully quiet corner left behind, though. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: MusicTurner on November 07, 2020, 12:40:49 PM
The older you get, the more often you occasionally get a feeling of deja-vu  :)

;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 07, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
On a different note... does anyone have external contact with Papy Oli?

I'm a bit concerned by his abrupt disappearance some weeks ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 07, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: Madiel on November 07, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
On a different note... does anyone have external contact with Papy Oli?

I'm a bit concerned by his abrupt disappearance some weeks ago.

At least he's alive. From his profile:

Date Registered:April 14, 2007, 07:48:41 AM
Local Time:November 07, 2020, 11:22:25 PM
Last Active:Today at 09:31:24 AM
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on November 07, 2020, 01:42:43 PM
Tht's good news.

And always nice to see John perform one of his semiannual appearance tricks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 07, 2020, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:40:22 AM
It really is absurd the amount of time and energy wasted on those games, because, ultimately like any poll here, they don't really prove anything and, if anything, only reinforce our own prejudices and biases --- I'm certainly not saying that I'm not guilty of extreme biases, but every member here who posts regularly has a history that pretty well documents what we like vs. what we don't like.

That makes sense, John. I find more entertaining to see posts from members about their listening habits, their impressions and passion about the music, and here the polls are less saturated, more focused and eventually more interesting.

BTW, welcome back! It's very nice to have you participating here again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: The new erato on November 07, 2020, 01:42:43 PM
Tht's good news.

And always nice to see John perform one of his semiannual appearance tricks.

Thanks, Erato! I always love messing with you people's minds. It's a fun! It's illusion! Abracadabra! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on November 07, 2020, 02:21:39 PM
That makes sense, John. I find more entertaining to see posts from members about their listening habits, their impressions and passion about the music, and here the polls are less saturated, more focused and eventually more interesting.

BTW, welcome back! It's very nice to have you participating here again.

Thanks, Cesar. I fully concur!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on November 07, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
Glad that you decided to participate again!  And happy listening!  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 02:35:32 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 07, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
Glad that you decided to participate again!  And happy listening!  :)

PD

Thanks, PD! Yeah, I have been pursuing some other musical interests, but it seems I'm back in full swing again with classical music. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on November 08, 2020, 12:02:32 AM
Quote from: Madiel on November 07, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
On a different note... does anyone have external contact with Papy Oli?

I'm a bit concerned by his abrupt disappearance some weeks ago.

Sorry, for various reasons, the last three or four weeks have been a bit of a tough one. I glanced here now and then but the mood has not been much into listening or posting, even if the music & GMG are usually most welcome havens of escapism in these very challenging times for everyone. Getting there. Appreciate the concern too :) 

Quote from: (: premont :) on November 07, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
At least he's alive.

8)


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 08, 2020, 12:16:29 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on November 08, 2020, 12:02:32 AM
Sorry, for various reasons, the last three or four weeks have been a bit of a tough one. I glanced here now and then but the mood has not been much into listening or posting, even if the music & GMG are usually most welcome havens of escapism in these very challenging times for everyone. Getting there. Appreciate the concern too :) 

8)
Well, very nice to see you back here Olivier. I very much hope that things improve for you.
Take care and all good wishes.
Jeffrey
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 08, 2020, 12:18:41 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on November 08, 2020, 12:02:32 AM
Sorry, for various reasons, the last three or four weeks have been a bit of a tough one. I glanced here now and then but the mood has not been much into listening or posting, even if the music & GMG are usually most welcome havens of escapism in these very challenging times for everyone. Getting there. Appreciate the concern too :) 

8)

Sorry to hear that life's been tough. But yes, completely understand that when things like that happen you might not be doing much in the way of listening. The same has happened to me on occasion.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on November 08, 2020, 12:51:12 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on November 08, 2020, 12:02:32 AM
Sorry, for various reasons, the last three or four weeks have been a bit of a tough one. I glanced here now and then but the mood has not been much into listening or posting, even if the music & GMG are usually most welcome havens of escapism in these very challenging times for everyone. Getting there. Appreciate the concern too :) 

8)
Good to see you back, Oli. Hope things get better for you.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: pjme on November 08, 2020, 01:21:05 AM
Good to see you back, Olivier.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: AlberichUndHagen on November 08, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
Great to see you back, MI and Papy Oli!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on November 08, 2020, 03:49:32 AM
Salut, MI!

Quote from: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 02:26:36 PM
It's illusion! Abracadabra! ;D

A mirror image perhaps ..


Quote from: Papy Oli on November 08, 2020, 12:02:32 AM
Sorry, for various reasons, the last three or four weeks have been a bit of a tough one. I glanced here now and then but the mood has not been much into listening or posting, even if the music & GMG are usually most welcome havens of escapism in these very challenging times for everyone. Getting there. Appreciate the concern too :) 

8)

It sure is a bumpy road sometimes, hope you're on smoother ground soon.

All the best.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 08, 2020, 03:56:15 AM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on November 08, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
Great to see you back, MI and Papy Oli!

+ 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on November 08, 2020, 03:58:07 AM
Take care Olivier!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on November 08, 2020, 04:03:53 AM
Thank you all :)

And welcome back John/M.I.   ;D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 06:12:39 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on November 08, 2020, 04:03:53 AM
Thank you all :)

And welcome back John/M.I.   ;D

And a big welcome back to you as well, Olivier. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 06:13:45 AM
Quote from: AlberichUndHagen on November 08, 2020, 02:52:47 AM
Great to see you back, MI and Papy Oli!

Quote from: (: premont :) on November 08, 2020, 03:56:15 AM
+ 1

Quote from: Iota on November 08, 2020, 03:49:32 AM
Salut, MI!

A mirror image perhaps ..

Thanks, gents!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on November 08, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 07, 2020, 11:37:56 AM
All the members here who have come back since my previous departure can now go back into hiding because...I'M BACK BABY!!! OH YEAH!!!  >:D But on a more serious note, I hope everyone here is doing great and have been able to endure this terrible time in our history. Let's hope things get better in 2021 (crossing my fingers).

John!! Welcome back, my friend! Please do stick around this time! The forum always feels less lively when you're gone. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Quote from: kyjo on November 08, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
John!! Welcome back, my friend! Please do stick around this time! The forum always feels less lively when you're gone. ;)

Thanks, Kyle! I shall do my best. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on November 08, 2020, 10:45:51 AM
Welcome back, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: North Star on November 08, 2020, 10:45:51 AM
Welcome back, John!

Thanks, Karlo! 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 08, 2020, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 10:46:19 AM
Thanks, Karlo! 8)

Hi John - glad to see that you have returned to the flock -  ;D  Hope all is safe in your area - although the presidential election has not yet been called in Georgia (just 10,000 vote difference between the candidates out of 5 million votes!) - Dave
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on November 08, 2020, 02:11:25 PM
Hi John - glad to see that you have returned to the flock -  ;D  Hope all is safe in your area - although the presidential election has not yet been called in Georgia (just 10,000 vote difference between the candidates out of 5 million votes!) - Dave

Thanks, Dave. Biden has won this election as far as I can see even if Trump ends up winning Georgia. What I'm more worried about right now is what Trump will do with his remaining time in office. He's such a sore loser.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on November 08, 2020, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 02:55:08 PM
Thanks, Dave. Biden has won this election as far as I can see even if Trump ends up winning Georgia. What I'm more worried about right now is what Trump will do with his remaining time in office. He's such a sore loser.

+1 - same here - Trump's response will be 'interesting' - Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 09, 2020, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on November 08, 2020, 03:31:12 PM
+1 - same here - Trump's response will be 'interesting' - Dave :)

https://youtube.com/v/60MdyQLeq_Y/t=236

If I could work out how to get this to start at 4 minutes in, that's where it would.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 09, 2020, 03:14:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 02:55:08 PM
Thanks, Dave. Biden has won this election as far as I can see even if Trump ends up winning Georgia. What I'm more worried about right now is what Trump will do with his remaining time in office. He's such a sore loser.
A very good point!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 09, 2020, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 09, 2020, 03:14:20 AM
A very good point!

Thanks, Jeffrey. I'm sure this is weighing on several Americans' minds. The fact that he won't concede the race is troubling within itself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on November 09, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
Quote from: Madiel on November 09, 2020, 12:28:37 AM
https://youtube.com/v/60MdyQLeq_Y/t=236

If I could work out how to get this to start at 4 minutes in, that's where it would.

"The uploader has not made this available in your country".
Whatever the video is, someone doesn't want us Yanks to see it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on November 09, 2020, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 08, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Thanks, Kyle! I shall do my best. ;)
I never pay attention to your leaving, John. You are just like my first girlfriend whose leaves are shorter than most vacations. You are addicted and withdrawn symptoms can be intolerable.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 09, 2020, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: springrite on November 09, 2020, 08:48:12 PM
I never pay attention to your leaving, John. You are just like my first girlfriend whose leaves are shorter than most vacations. You are addicted and withdrawn symptoms can be intolerable.

That's true, Paul and you have the best medicine in town! :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on November 10, 2020, 12:53:52 AM
Quote from: JBS on November 09, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
"The uploader has not made this available in your country".
Whatever the video is, someone doesn't want us Yanks to see it.

Well, bummer.

It's a comedy sketch from 2-3 years ago where a fake Donald Trump attends school and throws an almighty and hilarious tantrum when he's told at the end of the day it's time to go.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 11, 2020, 05:04:58 AM
Quote from: Madiel on November 10, 2020, 12:53:52 AM
Well, bummer.

It's a comedy sketch from 2-3 years ago where a fake Donald Trump attends school and throws an almighty and hilarious tantrum when he's told at the end of the day it's time to go.
Oh! That's a great one. Anthony Atamanuik as Trump, right? His impression is the best around (about 300x better than Alec Baldwin's).

EDIT: Here is the American-friendly link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th5uVIhQ8VY
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 11, 2020, 08:10:23 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 11, 2020, 05:04:58 AM
Oh! That's a great one. Anthony Atamanuik as Trump, right? His impression is the best around (about 300x better than Alec Baldwin's).

EDIT: Here is the American-friendly link

https://www.youtube.com/v/Th5uVIhQ8VY

Your link didn't work, Brian, but now it does. ;) I also didn't think Alec Baldwin's impression of Trump was that good.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 11, 2020, 10:55:13 AM
We haven't heard from Aligreto (Fergus) for a while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on November 11, 2020, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 11, 2020, 10:55:13 AM
We haven't heard from Aligreto (Fergus) for a while.

Yes, last active October 7. , but he sometimes has periods without visit to the forum, so I am not that concerned. He will surely return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 12, 2020, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on November 11, 2020, 12:21:20 PM
Yes, last active October 7. , but he sometimes have periods without visit to the forum, so I am not that concerned. He will surely return.
Yes, I hope so. Thanks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 12, 2020, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: Florestan on November 07, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
Welcome back, John! Please stay!!!!

Sorry I missed this post, Andrei. Thanks, I think I will. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on November 17, 2020, 08:01:06 AM
Hello all. I'm feeling ready to spend a bit more time on here again, have been listening to a lot more "classical" music in the last couple of months, while I do exercises in the house and in the last hour of the evening to wind down before going to bed. Hope you're all keeping well. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 17, 2020, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on November 17, 2020, 08:01:06 AM
Hello all. I'm feeling ready to spend a bit more time on here again, have been listening to a lot more "classical" music in the last couple of months, while I do exercises in the house and in the last hour of the evening to wind down before going to bed. Hope you're all keeping well. :)

Welcome back! It's always nice to have another 20th Century ally to help fight those old fogies who listen to the earlier classical music. >:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 17, 2020, 09:22:17 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on November 17, 2020, 08:01:06 AM
Hello all. I'm feeling ready to spend a bit more time on here again, have been listening to a lot more "classical" music in the last couple of months, while I do exercises in the house and in the last hour of the evening to wind down before going to bed. Hope you're all keeping well. :)

Good to see you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on November 17, 2020, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 17, 2020, 09:22:17 AM
Good to see you!

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on November 17, 2020, 09:38:44 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 17, 2020, 08:47:49 AM
It's always nice to have another 20th Century ally to help fight those old fogies who listen to the earlier classical music. >:D

Ha yes, I got interested in the music composed during my lifetime, have organised it on my music player and am going through it in sequence. 1961-68 have been very good. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 18, 2020, 06:19:15 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on November 17, 2020, 09:38:44 PM
Ha yes, I got interested in the music composed during my lifetime, have organised it on my music player and am going through it in sequence. 1961-68 have been very good. 8)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 18, 2020, 09:43:10 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on November 17, 2020, 08:01:06 AM
Hello all. I'm feeling ready to spend a bit more time on here again, have been listening to a lot more "classical" music in the last couple of months, while I do exercises in the house and in the last hour of the evening to wind down before going to bed. Hope you're all keeping well. :)

Welcome back! Hopefully you'll stick for longer here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on November 18, 2020, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: steve ridgway on November 17, 2020, 09:38:44 PM
Ha yes, I got interested in the music composed during my lifetime, have organised it on my music player and am going through it in sequence. 1961-68 have been very good. 8)

Nice to see you back, Steve  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on November 18, 2020, 07:45:36 PM
Thanks everyone. I'm working on structuring my time now I'm retired and this forum and CM are a good healthy way to spend an hour or two of the day. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 12:58:36 AM
I am not sure how many of you will recall a member here called Matti. A Finnish member who specialised in piano music amongst other topics. He visited here less frequently over the last five years or so. Almost a year ago he suddenly died. He was a good friend and I visited his family, often with my wife, every year for about ten years. His withdrawal from the forum was due to his increasing periods of depression. He was a lovely, humorous and very knowledgeable man, and quite a loss to those who knew him.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on November 24, 2020, 01:04:25 AM
Quote from: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 12:58:36 AM
I am not sure how many of you will recall a member here called Matti. A Finnish member who specialised in piano music amongst other topics. He visited here less frequently over the last five years or so. Almost a year ago he suddenly died. He was a good friend and I visited his family, often with my wife, every year for about ten years. His withdrawal from the forum was due to his increasing periods of depression. He was a lovely, humorous and very knowledgeable man, and quite a loss to those who knew him.

Mike

Christ, I did not know that Mike. I had quite a good contact with him, for I send a few hundred CD's to him, and had quite some email exchange over it. After that contact was infrequent. It pains me to hear of his death, it really does.
I hope that Matti is at peace now, but it is a devastating blow to me nevertheless.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 24, 2020, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 12:58:36 AM
I am not sure how many of you will recall a member here called Matti. A Finnish member who specialised in piano music amongst other topics. He visited here less frequently over the last five years or so. Almost a year ago he suddenly died. He was a good friend and I visited his family, often with my wife, every year for about ten years. His withdrawal from the forum was due to his increasing periods of depression. He was a lovely, humorous and very knowledgeable man, and quite a loss to those who knew him.

Mike

Like Harry I am so sorry to hear this news and my thoughts are with you too Mike.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 02:07:11 AM
Thank you both of you. He was one of the handful of close friends I have made here and it is very hard to see that diminished in this way. He had a lot of talents, I guess his public memorial will be his name on the translation of the Sibelius diaries from Swedish to Finnish. An apt memorial.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on November 24, 2020, 03:01:50 AM
I do remember Matti fondly and am saddened to hear this news of him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on November 24, 2020, 05:12:20 AM
That's very sad indeed. Regardless of personal circumstances (illness, depression, accident) a fine mind's demise is always a big loss. People should be remembered for their qualities. That's their legacy to those who knew them.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 24, 2020, 07:14:12 AM
I don't think I knew this member, but it's sad news nevertheless. My thoughts are with you, Mike.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 08:22:48 AM
Thank you.

M
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 24, 2020, 09:18:43 AM
Quote from: André on November 24, 2020, 05:12:20 AM
That's very sad indeed. Regardless of personal circumstances (illness, depression, accident) a fine mind's demise is always a big loss. People should be remembered for their qualities. That's their legacy to those who knew them.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Herman on November 24, 2020, 09:48:05 AM
I remember Matti. Sorry for this loss. I hope his family is well....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 24, 2020, 10:31:45 AM
Sad news, Mike. I remember him by name. Condolences to you and his family. RIP
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 11:02:49 AM
Thank you folks.

M
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on November 24, 2020, 02:09:15 PM
Hi Mike,

I know that I barely know you, but I still am sorry for your loss.  He sounds like he was a smart, sensitive and lovely person.  And, wow!  To be able to translate (and care about translating) Sibelius' diaries!  Impressive!  I don't know whether or not he committed suicide (you had mentioned that he had issues with depression) or if it was something else...or a long-term result of depression.  In any event, it's hard for those left behind.  I'm sure that he appreciated your friendship and the visits by you and your wife over the years....what a special friendship.  All the best to you and your wife and his family.

Warmest of wishes,

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 11:17:07 PM

PD, Thanks for your kind remarks. Juha died of a sudden illness. He had been in good contact right up to the point he suddenly took ill. Below I have copied across a post I made about a visit to the Sibelius house when Juha, known as Matti here, was in the midst of the translations.



The House of Sibelius July 2014

This piece relates a visit I recently made to the house of Sibelius. I visited with my friend Juha and his colleague Arja. They have been engaged to produce the first translation from Swedish into Finnish of the diaries of Sibelius.

When I visit Finland, outside of the cities I almost continually heard Sibelius in my head when I traveled about Finland. The air is so clean and the northern light is distinctive, the music catches the light here in a remarkable way.

The highlight of this year's visit to Finland lay just outside Helsinki. Juha and Arja wanted to visit the Sibelius house, to marinade in the atmosphere of the man who has preoccupied them for very many months. I enjoyed the visit a great deal; we were fortunate that there was almost no one else there to disturb the domesticity of the house. When Arja told the guide that she and Juha were translating the Sibelius diaries into Finnish for the 150th Anniversary, we got to see rooms that are off limits.

In the now off-limits upstairs study, where he did a lot of his composing, there are boxes and boxes of his Cuban cigars. He never composed at the piano, instead wrote his scores laboriously once the music was complete in his head. He makes reference in the diaries to having a 'sore arse from composing' and that whereas he loves tables for bottles and glasses and booze they support, he hates them as the site for his laborious work.

Standing in the kitchen we had a long discussion about the composer, very interesting; with me acting as Dr Watson, a not uncommon role for me, to two versions of Sherlock Holmes. The translation has been a huge undertaking and it has been fascinating to get some insights into the process. Although one generation back, Sibelius came from a very comfortable middle class professional background; he hoped that research into the deeper roots of his family would expose a more exalted lineage. However, it discovered that he came from a line of farmers. This seemed to cause much public and disconcerting comment, even ridicule. He had married into Russian aristocracy and his humble ancestors caused him a deal of embarrassment and insecurity. Juha obtained Swedish/Finnish dictionaries from 1903 and 1911. Even though Sibelius was still quite young then, he was deploying an older, more formal, style of language and word usage than was in those dictionaries. I guess this may have been a subconscious way of trying to bolster the respect of the community in which he felt undermined. Some parallels here with the insecurities of Elgar.

He insisted on a deep green glazed brick fireplace in the lounge; as that colour denoted a specific musical key, as did brown. Little has been changed, despite the family living in the house until the 1970s. Though, Juha asked about the dining set which to him looked somehow incongruous. The guide explained that it had been brought from the Helsinki apartment after Sibelius died.

It was also interesting to see how he lived very well for many years utterly without money. Sibelius lived largely off the generosity of patrons, money from his wife's aristocratic family, of Russian origin, and by obtaining loans and loans to pay loans. He produced piano exercises and small pieces he thought little of. The best known of them now is 'Valse Triste' which would on its own have kept him comfortably afloat in royalties had he not sold the piece for a pittance, copyright and all.

His main compositions did not enable him to live well. However, unlike Wagner, Sibelius kept a meticulous track of all the money borrowed and he tried to pay it back, there are lists of the loans in the diaries. It was only in the last 10 years of his life, when lauded nationally and internationally that he became wealthy, seriously wealthy. A great preoccupation of the writings is the lack of money. But even in seeming penury there was a housekeeper and a maid, suits from Paris, Cuban cigars by the box etc. The house is wonderfully comfortable in a down to earth way, one could move straight in and live happily in it.

All this in great contrast to the the nearby house of the painter Askeli Gallen-Kallela, a friend of Sibelius. His house is huge with high ceilings, large rooms and vast windows to ensure good light and roof beams made out of logs that had been dragged across the ice. Whereas Sibelius surrounded himself with large deep upholstered chairs and couches, Gallen Kallela designed his bare wooden furniture which looks exceptionally uninviting. The family must have sat stiffly or basically gone to bed in the hope of obtaining some comfort.

Latterly as Sibelius' knees gave out, he lived downstairs in a bedroom produced from the nursery and used the library; no longer writing in the tiny room next to the main bedroom upstairs, well, no longer writing music at al by that time. That upper study has evidence of one other composer, a painted bust of Beethoven. Sibelius played the violin, the battered case is lying there and his granddaughter presently uses the violin professionally. For the 150th anniversary she will make a recording in the house using that violin.

There is a Steinway grand piano in the drawing room, a birthday gift to him, over which tension arises as to whether it should be kept intact or the innards pulled out for display in Helsinki. As he almost never touched it and composed in his head, this kind of thing makes me roll my eyes. The house seems quite dark now, as there are mature trees close to it which block the light in a way that they would not have even 60 years ago. The garden is lovely and both Sibelius and his wife are buried under a large very plain stone in the garden. The outlook is into the woods in one direction and across fields in the other direction. Rather like Beethoven, he took long walks to work out his ideas and refers to them in the diary as growing like a baby inside him, not to be written down until arriving at full term.

He was a sort of manic depressive, perhaps bi-polar. One entry in the diaries has him relating how very closed in he is, he walks to no good end, then he sees a group of swans rising and flying right over his head. He watches them wheel in the air and fly away. His mood transformed, he suddenly has a piece ready to write, yes that very one. He could be petty and then berate himself for it, as he did after an entry where he suspects the staff, who were with him for over 30 years, were pilfering the housekeeping. He was aware of his defects and fought against alcoholism, being dry for well over a decade.

The diary was written for him and his wife only to read, so there are many entries that cannot really be fully understood and seemingly some where he was certainly drunk. Luckily, both Juha and Arija very much like the maddening, rambling, self doubting man they encounter in his fractured writings. Due to the private nature of them, the diaries were only published in Swedish, (Sibelius' mother tongue), in 2005. The musicologist who prepared the original publication and whose footnotes are encyclopedic is now over 80. But he has been eager to re-explore and update his notes for this edition and has seemingly made many changes arising from conclusions suggested by Juha.

Although I did not sense the music of Sibelius in his house, again when travelling and down at the lake where we stayed with Juha's family, my head was filled with it, and in the peace here I have mulled over and written about the visit my head loud with that music and keen to understand more.


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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 25, 2020, 02:05:31 AM
What a nice memory to have of your friend and your visit to Sibelius's house Mike.
Coincidentally, my brother and I visited Sibelius's house in 2013 (just after my sister-in-law died) also with my Finnish friend called Juha. We also stayed at Juha's summer cottage on a lake. As we arrived my brother and I both had the opening of Sibelius's 2nd Symphony going through our heads! In fact the scene looked rather like a typical Sibelius LP or CD cover. We also visited the home of Gallen-Kallela. Those are happy memories (apart from the Finnish obsession with the sauna - fortunately my brother and I were usually drunk by the time we were obliged to participate in this ritual). I see that even Sibelius had a sauna.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 25, 2020, 03:11:07 AM
It is quite a shock to move from the comforts of Sibelius's house to the severe austerity of Gallen-Kallela's I do enjoy his paintings and what an interesting life he had. I quite enjoyed sauna and we even did the twigs thing, but they were always covered with leaves and produced a very nice scent.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on November 25, 2020, 04:25:53 AM
Quote from: knight66 on November 24, 2020, 11:17:07 PM
PD, Thanks for your kind remarks. Juha died of a sudden illness. He had been in good contact right up to the point he suddenly took ill. Below I have copied across a post I made about a visit to the Sibelius house when Juha, known as Matti here, was in the midst of the translations.

The House of Sibelius July 2014

This piece relates a visit I recently made to the house of Sibelius. I visited with my friend Juha and his colleague Arja. They have been engaged to produce the first translation from Swedish into Finnish of the diaries of Sibelius.


...
Mike,

Thank you so much for reposting this!  I found it to be fascinating reading.  And, wow, you were able to see off-limits rooms too!  It must have been wonderful to go to Ainola--especially with your then current company and friend.  I really want to visit there....someday.

Were they able to finish the translation?  Interesting to read about Sibelius using an older and more formal style of writing too; I'd imagine that that could have made it even more difficult to properly translate--to get the appropriate meaning and feeling.

As were going a bit off topic here, perhaps this should be moved over to the Sibelius thread?  Just a thought.

Best wishes,

Pohjolas Daughter
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 25, 2020, 05:20:13 AM
Hi, yes the diaries were published ok. He offered me a copy, but my Finnish is restricted to a bunch of nouns that we used on the island.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on November 25, 2020, 07:11:49 AM
Very sorry to hear about your loss, Mike, and about Juha's struggle with depression. Impressive that he was still able to complete the translations. RIP

And thanks very much for the post about your 2014 visit to Sibelius' house, which I found very interesting indeed. It gives a very personal insight into his life, and I certainly feel a little better acquainted with him for it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on November 25, 2020, 08:01:50 AM
Quote from: Iota on November 25, 2020, 07:11:49 AM
Very sorry to hear about your loss, Mike, and about Juha's struggle with depression. Impressive that he was still able to complete the translations. RIP

And thanks very much for the post about your 2014 visit to Sibelius' house, which I found very interesting indeed. It gives a very personal insight into his life, and I certainly feel a little better acquainted with him for it.

Thank you for that.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 10, 2020, 05:44:16 PM
I miss Sarge. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on December 10, 2020, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 10, 2020, 05:44:16 PM
I miss Sarge. :(
I do as well. Lots.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 11, 2020, 03:17:24 AM
He seems to have deleted his account.  :o Does anyone know why?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on December 11, 2020, 03:41:23 AM
Sarge's account is still there and he posted only last week...maybe he is just enjoying interests other than classical music for now.

Still, it would be a very good thing to see the Sarge in a Christmas hat again for this time of year  ;D

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=122 (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=122)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 11, 2020, 05:26:49 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on December 11, 2020, 03:41:23 AM
Sarge's account is still there and he posted only last week...maybe he is just enjoying interests other than classical music for now.

Still, it would be a very good thing to see the Sarge in a Christmas hat again for this time of year  ;D

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=122 (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=122)

Yes, mea culpa. I searched for *Sarge* in the member list instead of Sgt. Rock.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2020, 06:39:06 AM
It's good to know that Sarge didn't delete his account, because that would've been a clear indication that he wasn't coming back. I have a feeling when Sarge says he's 'done' with something, he truly means it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 11, 2020, 08:35:08 AM
Yes, Sarge responded to a question from me recently which was nice.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2020, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on December 11, 2020, 08:35:08 AM
Yes, Sarge responded to a question from me recently which was nice.

Very good to hear, Jeffrey.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:29:12 PM
(https://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/beavis_and_butthead_headbanging.gif)

Sarge and the boys are still here...just quieter than they normally are.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2020, 12:30:09 PM
 ;D Good to see you're stilling hanging out, Sarge. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:33:29 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 11, 2020, 12:30:09 PM
;D Good to see you're stilling hanging out, Sarge. 8)

Thank you, John.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 11, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:29:12 PM
(https://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/beavis_and_butthead_headbanging.gif)

Sarge and the boys are still here...just quieter than they normally are.



Yo, buddy!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 11, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
Yo, buddy!

Hey, Karl.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on December 11, 2020, 01:17:56 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:29:12 PM
(https://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/beavis_and_butthead_headbanging.gif)

Sarge and the boys are still here...just quieter than they normally are.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2020, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:33:29 PM
Thank you, John.

Sarge

You're welcome, Sarge.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/5faab6360dba62c165aa4ab93e276e73/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 12, 2020, 04:40:10 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:29:12 PM
(https://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/beavis_and_butthead_headbanging.gif)

Sarge and the boys are still here...just quieter than they normally are.

:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on December 12, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2020, 12:29:12 PM
(https://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/beavis_and_butthead_headbanging.gif)

Sarge and the boys are still here...just quieter than they normally are.
Hoping that you and your family and loved ones are all safe and healthy....

Best wishes,

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 12, 2020, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on December 12, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
Hoping that you and your family and loved ones are all safe and healthy....

We are...thank you.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Herman on December 13, 2020, 08:53:51 AM
I'm out. The misanthropy here is getting too much.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 14, 2020, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: springrite on December 14, 2020, 08:22:57 PM
Well, that had happened before. While I am sure it made most people happy, it also caused a few to leave in protest. It is hard to actually do the math to figure out the net loss and which would be better.
Personally, I stay off  the political threads. No minds have never changed as a result of those threads, just arguments that goes nowhere.

Well said, Paul.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 16, 2020, 06:23:34 AM
I'd just love to take an extended break from this forum on which I spend far more time than I should. Unfortunately, I think I'm addicted to GMG. I wish I coud break this addiction. Any suggestions welcome.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 16, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: Florestan on December 16, 2020, 06:23:34 AM
I'd just love to take an extended break from this forum on which I spend far more time than I should. Unfortunately, I think I'm addicted to GMG. I wish I coud break this addiction. Any suggestions welcome.  :)
I can think of worse addictions, although it does cost me quite a bit of money in CD/LP purchases.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 16, 2020, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: Florestan on December 16, 2020, 06:23:34 AM
I'd just love to take an extended break from this forum on which I spend far more time than I should. Unfortunately, I think I'm addicted to GMG. I wish I coud break this addiction. Any suggestions welcome.  :)

Woodwork. My father is obsessed with woodwork.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on December 16, 2020, 11:23:17 AM
Or drawing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brass Hole on December 16, 2020, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Florestan on December 16, 2020, 06:23:34 AM
I'd just love to take an extended break from this forum on which I spend far more time than I should. Unfortunately, I think I'm addicted to GMG. I wish I coud break this addiction. Any suggestions welcome.  :)

You can apply yourself to books. In fact, if you can do digital, I have an extensive archive of non-fiction and music to gladly help you with.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on December 16, 2020, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Florestan on December 16, 2020, 06:23:34 AM
I'd just love to take an extended break from this forum on which I spend far more time than I should. Unfortunately, I think I'm addicted to GMG. I wish I coud break this addiction. Any suggestions welcome.  :)

Just skip the dinner board and concentrate upon the music boards.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 16, 2020, 11:43:07 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 16, 2020, 11:20:38 AM
Woodwork. My father is obsessed with woodwork.

That would be nice but unfortunately when it comes to handiwork I have two left hands.

Quote from: MusicTurner on December 16, 2020, 11:23:17 AM
Or drawing.

I used to draw a lot as a kid but there's been ages since I stopped.

Quote from: Brass Hole on December 16, 2020, 12:32:30 PM
You can apply yourself to books. In fact, if you can do digital, I have an extensive archive of non-fiction and music to gladly help you with.  ;)

Well, I'm greatly into reading. Actually, I have a pile of books waiting but the more time I spend here, the less I read. It's a vicious circle, really. Thanks for your generous offer.

Quote from: (: premont :) on December 16, 2020, 11:34:52 PM
Just skip the dinner board

Maybe not the whole dinner (the literature thread is there, after all), just the politics thread. I really, really, really must do that.

Thank you all.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 17, 2020, 12:21:34 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on December 16, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
I can think of worse addictions

Sure, but this one gets me in trouble with my wife.  :)

Plus, it makes me look like an argumentative and insufferable jerk --- and I am not at all like that in real life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 17, 2020, 06:21:08 AM
Quote from: Florestan on December 17, 2020, 12:21:34 AM
Sure, but this one gets me in trouble with my wife.  :)

Plus, it makes me look like an argumentative and insufferable jerk --- and I am not at all like that in real life.

It gets me in trouble with my wife too:

'You are having an affair with your CD collection!'  :-X
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brass Hole on December 17, 2020, 06:38:40 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on December 17, 2020, 06:35:57 AM
but also some very nice (and knowledgable) people whose posts I enjoy reading and with whom I enjoy chatting too. :)

No doubt about that. 👍
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 17, 2020, 07:29:23 AM
Quote from: Brass Hole on December 16, 2020, 11:48:33 PM
I think Beethoven related threads are no different than the politics threads...

The sudden profusion of Beethoven work-threads had all the look of Todd checking the "See? I'm here to discuss music, too" box.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brass Hole on December 17, 2020, 07:31:45 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 17, 2020, 07:10:08 AM
I take your word for it.

You are funny.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 17, 2020, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 17, 2020, 02:15:50 PM
On topic: it's nice to see OrchestralNut (aka ChamberNut) back in the saddle!  8)

Indeed. Welcome back Nut!

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 17, 2020, 02:25:46 PM
Many thanks John and Sarge!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 17, 2020, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 17, 2020, 02:23:24 PM
Indeed. Welcome back Nut!

Sarge

Huzzah!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 17, 2020, 03:05:47 PM
Orchestral nut vs Chambernut

The same nut in a heavy fluffy winter coat? We recognize ya!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 17, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
The nut will out!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 17, 2020, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 17, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
The nut will out!
Nut in a Stokowski transcription!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 17, 2020, 11:06:22 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 17, 2020, 02:25:46 PM
Many thanks John and Sarge!  ;)
Welcome back from me too Mr Nut!
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on December 17, 2020, 11:09:55 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 17, 2020, 02:25:46 PM
Many thanks John and Sarge!  ;)

Your absence was a tough NUT to crack :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 18, 2020, 04:52:52 AM
 :laugh:

Thank you all for the warm welcome back and the laugh.

I've been listening to much more symphonic and orchestral music the last three or four years. I felt it appropriate to modify the username.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on December 18, 2020, 05:02:00 AM
Well, good to be a nut about something.  8)

(And welcome back.)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 18, 2020, 05:09:40 AM
Thank you, Bruce.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 18, 2020, 06:07:14 AM
As pertaining to "missing members", are Scarpia, DavidW and Greg (Sock Monkey) still around?  Or reincarnated?

I miss Opus106 (Navneeth).  He was my very first classical music "friend" I had made about 15 years ago (via another forum), in my (and his) very early classical music exploration stage.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on December 18, 2020, 06:20:56 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 18, 2020, 06:07:14 AM
As pertaining to "missing members", are Scarpia, DavidW and Greg (Sock Monkey) still around?  Or reincarnated?

I miss Opus106 (Navneeth).  He was my very first classical music "friend" I had made about 15 years ago (via another forum), in my (and his) very early classical music exploration stage.

I have not seen them for a long time. The list of people that have disappeared is long, and many of my friends were on that list.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2020, 06:27:24 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 18, 2020, 06:07:14 AM
As pertaining to "missing members", are Scarpia, DavidW and Greg (Sock Monkey) still around?  Or reincarnated?

I miss Opus106 (Navneeth).  He was my very first classical music "friend" I had made about 15 years ago (via another forum), in my (and his) very early classical music exploration stage.

Scarpia tendered his resignation for several reasons, which I won't discuss here. I haven't seen DavidW post anything in years and I don't even think has an active account any more. Greg posts infrequently, but I haven't seen him in quite some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 18, 2020, 06:29:37 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 18, 2020, 06:27:24 AM
Scarpia tendered his resignation for several reasons, which I won't discuss here. I haven't see DavidW post anything in years and I don't even think has an active account any more. Greg posts infrequently, but I haven't seen him quite some time.

I see.  I appreciate the update, John.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 18, 2020, 06:58:52 AM
Quote from: "Harry" on December 18, 2020, 06:20:56 AM
I have not seen them for a long time. The list of people that have disappeared is long, and many of my friends were on that list.

Aye.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 18, 2020, 06:29:37 AM
I see.  I appreciate the update, John.  :)

You're welcome. There have been many members that have left since you've last been active. Hell, even I left a few times while you were gone. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 18, 2020, 07:16:46 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 18, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
You're welcome. There have been many members that have left since you've last been active. Hell, even I left a few times while you were gone. :P

Well, that doesn't surprise me.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 18, 2020, 07:18:23 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 18, 2020, 07:16:46 AM
Well, that doesn't surprise me.  ;)

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: staxomega on January 09, 2021, 08:05:14 AM
Quote from: The new erato on January 09, 2021, 07:51:46 AM
Unfortunately it is true that there were more interesting discussions and posts some years ago.

I think this is because the member base was decimated. I lost my old account in that ~ 6 months long downtime several years ago.

Still, I think there is something valuable in a small forum. I log into Talk Classical every few months then within 15 minutes remember why I only login a handful of times a year. Then a few months pass, and I forget and do it again  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 09, 2021, 12:57:33 PM
Since I've only read music threads for the past year (plus the book reading, TV watching, and cooking threads), I really have only the vaguest idea what this is about.  ??? Anyway...I encourage folks to consider the voluntary strategy of not engaging with political discussions.

I have strongly held political beliefs, of course, but made the determination long ago that communicating or debating them on this forum would be pointless. There are many people here (not just one or two) whose musical views I respect deeply but whose views on politics, or race, or women, or young people, or religion, are abhorrent to me, because classical music as an interest skews toward older, wealthier, more conservative, whiter people.

Perhaps it may seem cowardly or hypocritical to turn a blind eye toward the clear bigotry and misanthropy of some forum members in order to continue discussing music with them. But, on the other hand, nothing good could come of confronting them; no argument is sufficient to persuade them; no stranger on the internet has the power to change their hearts. And, honestly, they don't have to be my friends, just correspondents. I just want to talk about music and recordings and occasionally books, and will continue doing so.

I fully understand the views of those of you who cannot remain friendly or on-topic with people you (and I) believe to be horrible. That is probably a sign of a healthy conscience! Credit to you. And that certainly does make it hard for you to stay engaged with the board, if you insist on continuing to read those discussions. But ... that is a choice. Fortunately or not, I've chosen to remain ignorant, because there are only 2-3 other people in my life I can discuss classical music regularly with, and none are as knowledgeable or helpful or reliable on music as some of the people here whom I would never befriend in real life. So that's the choice I'm making. I don't judge you for making a different one, but this choice is available and it makes the forum a much more useful place.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on January 09, 2021, 01:16:28 PM
Good post Brian, which more or less reflects my own views.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on January 09, 2021, 01:39:02 PM
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 09, 2021, 01:46:44 PM
Brian wins.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 11, 2021, 06:58:26 AM
I was pleased to hear (PM) from Fergus (Aligreto) recently. I miss his postings. I'm not sure if he'll be back but I sincerely hope so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 11, 2021, 08:05:45 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 11, 2021, 06:58:26 AM
I was pleased to hear (PM) from Fergus (Aligreto) recently. I miss his postings. I'm not sure if he'll be back but I sincerely hope so.
Hope that all is well with him?

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 12, 2021, 06:10:24 AM
I do miss Elgarian.  I've rung him a couple of times. Probably time I did so again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 12, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 12, 2021, 06:10:24 AM
I do miss Elgarian.  I've rung him a couple of times. Probably time I did so again.

Me, too, Karl. Very nice person and always a pleasure to speak with --- quite knowledgable as well. It was like having another Luke around (another member I miss).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 12, 2021, 08:30:19 AM
I have edited the last few pages. For the moment I will leave the mod explanations, but they to will go once people have a chance to catch up.

I also very much miss Elgarian, we had lots of exchanges. Do give him my best if you contact him Karl.

Knight.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Herman on January 12, 2021, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: knight66 on January 12, 2021, 01:39:57 AM


Bruce has highlighted that as in other social media, the general level of anxiety of many has been rising due to COVID, the US and the UK issues. There is more stress and tension about. We understand an outlet is needed. But as an online community, we can try some understanding with one another and to an extent look after one another.


Knight

I think this is a big factor.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on January 12, 2021, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: knight66 on January 12, 2021, 08:30:19 AM
I have edited the last few pages. For the moment I will leave the mod explanations, but they to will go once people have a chance to catch up.

I also very much miss Elgarian, we had lots of exchanges. Do give him my best if you contact him Karl.

Knight.

Good job, Mike. There was a lot of pollution lately.  :-X
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 13, 2021, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: André on January 12, 2021, 10:31:33 AM
Good job, Mike. There was a lot of pollution lately.  :-X
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Irons on January 15, 2021, 07:43:34 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 11, 2021, 06:58:26 AM
I was pleased to hear (PM) from Fergus (Aligreto) recently. I miss his postings. I'm not sure if he'll be back but I sincerely hope so.

So did I. Unexpected and touched that he did so. I think he will return when he is ready.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on January 15, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: Irons on January 15, 2021, 07:43:34 AM
So did I. Unexpected and touched that he did so. I think he will return when he is ready.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on January 16, 2021, 05:56:53 AM
Quote from: Irons on January 15, 2021, 07:43:34 AM
So did I. Unexpected and touched that he did so. I think he will return when he is ready.
Excellent!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on January 18, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 18, 2020, 06:07:14 AM
As pertaining to "missing members", are Scarpia, DavidW and Greg (Sock Monkey) still around?  Or reincarnated?

I miss Opus106 (Navneeth).  He was my very first classical music "friend" I had made about 15 years ago (via another forum), in my (and his) very early classical music exploration stage.

I'm glad to see that I was remembered ChamberNut.  My classical music discussion had been around the friends at work that have the same passion.  I also had a student that got into classical and I swear he was exhaustive in his enthusiasm.  Thanks to Spotify and Youtube he listened to what took me twenty years in just two years.  And he got me into Gurrelieder, which I had never heard before. 

I like going to concerts more than anything but thanks to you know what I've turned my attention back much more intensely to recordings.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 18, 2021, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: DavidW on January 18, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
I'm glad to see that I was remembered ChamberNut.  My classical music discussion had been around the friends at work that have the same passion.  I also had a student that got into classical and I swear he was exhaustive in his enthusiasm.  Thanks to Spotify and Youtube he listened to what took me twenty years in just two years.  And he got me into Gurrelieder, which I had never heard before. 

I like going to concerts more than anything but thanks to you know what I've turned my attention back much more intensely to recordings.

I mentioned you in Karl's thread about Zoom video chats. Anyway, it's good to see you posting again!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: knight66 on January 18, 2021, 10:33:41 PM
Quote from: DavidW on January 18, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
I'm glad to see that I was remembered ChamberNut.  My classical music discussion had been around the friends at work that have the same passion.  I also had a student that got into classical and I swear he was exhaustive in his enthusiasm.  Thanks to Spotify and Youtube he listened to what took me twenty years in just two years.  And he got me into Gurrelieder, which I had never heard before. 

I like going to concerts more than anything but thanks to you know what I've turned my attention back much more intensely to recordings.

Welcome back David, I hope all is well with you.

Mike
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2021, 07:01:24 AM
I haven't seen Florestan for awhile. I hope he's okay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on January 29, 2021, 07:06:45 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2021, 07:01:24 AM
I haven't seen Florestan for awhile. I hope he's okay.
His profile says he logged in today.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2021, 07:28:58 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 29, 2021, 07:06:45 AM
His profile says he logged in today.

Ah, okay. That's good --- he's just lurking then. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 29, 2021, 07:31:53 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2021, 07:01:24 AM
I haven't seen Florestan for awhile. I hope he's okay.

I'm okay, John, thanks for asking. I just try to scale down the time I spend here as much as possible.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 29, 2021, 07:27:24 PM
Quote from: Florestan on January 29, 2021, 07:31:53 AM
I'm okay, John, thanks for asking. I just try to scale down the time I spend here as much as possible.  :)

Very good to to hear, although I wish you'd post more.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on January 29, 2021, 09:29:39 PM
Stop having a life, Florestan. It's upsetting.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 12:49:58 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 29, 2021, 07:27:24 PM
Very good to to hear, although I wish you'd post more.

I don't post anymore purposefully. If I posted antyhing, I'd be checking GMG every 10 minutes for potential replies --- which is exactly the very thing I try hard to avoid.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 12:54:49 AM
Quote from: Madiel on January 29, 2021, 09:29:39 PM
Stop having a life, Florestan. It's upsetting.

:laugh:

Honestly, it's a liberating experience. Resisting the urge to check GMG first thing in the morning and last thing before going to bed, not interrupting the reading of a book every quarter of an hour in order to see what's new on GMG, having more time for, well, listening to music rather than talking about it and last but not least not having to endure my wife's bitter complaints about neglecting my (family) life. Bliss, I tell you.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on January 30, 2021, 05:45:44 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 12:54:49 AM
Honestly, it's a liberating experience. Resisting the urge to check GMG first thing in the morning and last thing before going to bed, not interrupting the reading of a book every quarter of an hour in order to see what's new on GMG, having more time for, well, listening to music rather than talking about it and last but not least not having to endure my wife's bitter complaints about neglecting my (family) life. Bliss, I tell you.  8)

I know what you mean. I've cut down on another forum significantly, just reading and posting in a couple of threads then logging out, but am sticking with GMG at the moment as it's pretty harmless.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 30, 2021, 05:51:32 AM
Quote from: Madiel on January 29, 2021, 09:29:39 PM
Stop having a life, Florestan. It's upsetting.

Demoralizes the rest of us ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2021, 07:01:08 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 12:49:58 AM
I don't post anymore purposefully. If I posted antyhing, I'd be checking GMG every 10 minutes for potential replies --- which is exactly the very thing I try hard to avoid.  :D

Well, it's certainly good that you're busy in your life --- or, in your case, a good kind of busy. If I had a girlfriend with whom I wanted to spend more time with, GMG would most certainly suffer as a result, but she'd have to understand that I need personal time for music. If she didn't then she's not the one for me! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on January 30, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 30, 2021, 07:01:08 AM
..., but she'd have to understand that I need personal time for music. If she didn't then she's not the one for me! ;D

Quite true. Fortunately my wife for the last 40 years has had that understanding, all the same she isn't that interested in CM herself. During some periods i do not purchase that many new CDs, and then she gets worried and asks me if there is something wrong.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 08:50:10 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 30, 2021, 07:01:08 AM
If I had a girlfriend with whom I wanted to spend more time with, GMG would most certainly suffer as a result, but she'd have to understand that I need personal time for music. If she didn't then she's not the one for me! ;D

Well, John, no offense meant in any way --- but I'm not talking about a girlfriend, I'm talking about a wife (and a son as well).  ;D

That's probably why I think Mozart is my number one composer hands down --- if on a desert island I could take the complete works of one and only one composer, it would be WAM without the slightest blinking of an eye.  He was married with children yet he composed an amazing quantity of amazingly qualitative music, all the while eating, drinking, playing billiards and f...g his wife. I can score only 5 out of his 6 achievements.  :P

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on January 30, 2021, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 08:50:10 AM
Well, John, no offense meant in any way --- but I'm not talking about a girlfriend, I'm talking about a wife (and a son as well).  ;D

That's probably why I think Mozart is my number one composer hands down --- if on a desert island I could take the complete works of one and only one composer, it would be WAM without the slightest blinking of an eye.  He was married with children yet he composed an amazing quantity of amazingly qualitative music, all the while eating, drinking, playing billiards and f...g his wife. I can score only 5 out of his 6 achievements.  :P

Yeah, I struggle to make time for billiards too... ;)  :D

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on January 30, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quite true. Fortunately my wife for the last 40 years has had that understanding, all the same she isn't that interested in CM herself. During some periods i do not purchase that many new CDs, and then she gets worried and asks me if there is something wrong.

Well, one doesn't have to have to same interests of course, but that's great your wife understands that you need time with music. Also, congratulations on 40 years! That's amazing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on January 30, 2021, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 08:50:10 AM
Well, John, no offense meant in any way --- but I'm not talking about a girlfriend, I'm talking about a wife (and a son as well).  ;D

That's probably why I think Mozart is my number one composer hands down --- if on a desert island I could take the complete works of one and only one composer, it would be WAM without the slightest blinking of an eye.  He was married with children yet he composed an amazing quantity of amazingly qualitative music, all the while eating, drinking, playing billiards and f...g his wife. I can score only 5 out of his 6 achievements.  :P

No offense taken, my friend and, yes, a wife is much different than a girlfriend, especially when you have children involved. I was more or less making a general statement that whoever I'm with will have to understand how I need alone time with music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on February 01, 2021, 06:05:57 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 30, 2021, 08:50:10 AM
I can score only 5 out of his 6 achievements.  :P

Obviously - as Mrs. Mozart hasn't been on the scene for quite some time. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 12, 2021, 02:49:45 AM
Handelian has deleted his account. If the reason is what I suspect it to be, here we have another case of political animosity (plus a gross, uncalled for insulting remark which is perplexing to me, coming as it does from one of the most civil GMGers) driving away a member. Sad.

Makes me seriously reconsidering my position about political threads. They really stimulate the worst in people and should probably be banned.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 04:34:07 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 12, 2021, 02:49:45 AM
Handelian has deleted his account. If the reason is what I suspect it to be, here we have another case of political animosity (plus a gross, uncalled for insulting remark which is perplexing to me, coming as it does from one of the most civil GMGers) driving away a member. Sad.

Makes me seriously reconsidering my position about political threads. They really stimulate the worst in people and should probably be banned.


Too bad that a respected member leaves (and deletes all his post) for that reason, if you are right.. BTW I have always thought, that political (and religious) threads should be banned in a civilized music forum like this one. If people want to discuss politics there are many alternative options.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on February 12, 2021, 04:50:46 AM
Very sad as he was one of the few sharing my passion for Handel.

Why someone would join a classical music forum to become embroiled in political threads is beyond me. And if you choose to do it, you should have a strong stomach and count to one hundred before you post anything at all.

But I also find some people inexplicably quick to take offense. Why they then choose to partake in potentially poisonous threads I don't understand. Better to stay away and remember why one joined in the first place.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on February 12, 2021, 06:26:37 AM
Quote from: The new erato on February 12, 2021, 04:50:46 AM
Why someone would join a classical music forum to become embroiled in political threads is beyond me.

Yes, it's a nice forum to get away from all that stuff.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 12, 2021, 07:39:08 AM
Gentlemen, this is something that I've been saying for quite some time now. I sometimes contribute to the US political thread, but it isn't the reason as to why I post here. This is a music forum first and foremost. You would think since you know who left office, things would quieten down, but it seems to be going as strong as ever. I'm with San Antone and have certainly considered spending time on another forum, which I've done, but I don't understand how this forum can flourish if we have members leaving left and right with no new blood coming into the scenario or maybe there are new members signing up, but they just lurk in the shadows, because of their feeling that this many of this veteran members would rather spend their time talking politics then music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on February 12, 2021, 07:54:19 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on February 12, 2021, 06:26:37 AM
Yes, it's a nice forum to get away from all that stuff.

Agreed. That's one of the main reasons I started being active here again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 12, 2021, 08:16:35 AM
I only regularly followed another forum when this one went into temporary meltdown. I realised how much I missed it. Anyway, on the other forum, despite a seemingly large membership, there seemed to be surprisingly little activity. When I posted something there would sometimes be weeks waiting for a response - I commented that it was like trying to communicate with someone on the outer fringes of the Solar System. Eventually I did get a reply (as it turned out from Christo of this forum) saying 'Black Hole Calling!' Then I returned to this forum when it was back in operation.  I don't always expect responses. I sometimes join in the political threads (or the less controversial cat threads for that matter) but they are not why I am here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 12, 2021, 08:53:27 AM
I think all forums excepting reddit are on a death spiral.  Having been gone for so long I can tell you that the traffic is a shadow of what it used to be here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 12, 2021, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: DavidW on February 12, 2021, 08:53:27 AM
I think all forums excepting reddit are on a death spiral.  Having been gone for so long I can tell you that the traffic is a shadow of what it used to be here.
Why do you think that is David?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 12, 2021, 10:21:21 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 12, 2021, 09:36:30 AM
Why do you think that is David?

People moved from message boards to social media.  I don't use social media but it seems like it lacks that ability to bring different people together over a common passion the way that message boards do.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 12, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: Szykneij on February 12, 2021, 07:54:19 AM
Agreed. That's one of the main reasons I started being active here again.

And good to "see" you, Tony!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 12, 2021, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 04:34:07 AM

Too bad that a respected member leaves (and deletes all his post) for that reason, if you are right.. BTW I have always thought, that political (and religious) threads should be banned in a civilized music forum like this one. If people want to discuss politics there are many alternative options.

Sadly, in Handelian's case (and I certainly agree that his musical contributions will be missed) He seemed uninterested in actual discussion in the Politics thread, but consistently trolled instead.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on February 12, 2021, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: DavidW on February 12, 2021, 10:21:21 AM
People moved from message boards to social media.  I don't use social media but it seems like it lacks that ability to bring different people together over a common passion the way that message boards do.

From what I've seen, the Reddit Classical music section is of quite limited interest; now and then one can stumble upon a small thing that might be entertaining, but it's all rather incoherent, brief and short-lived. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 12, 2021, 10:25:58 AM
Sadly, in Handelian's case (and I certainly agree that his musical contributions will be missed) He seemed uninterested in actual discussion in the Politics thread, but consistently trolled instead.

So if political discussions had been banned in GMG, Handelian would have concentrated upon his musical post, and he probably wouldn't have left the forum.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 12, 2021, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 10:51:36 AM
So if political discussions had been banned in GMG, Handelian would have concentrated upon his musical post, and he probably wouldn't have left the forum.

Don't know if you can make a cause and effect relationship there. I was given to understand that he was expelled from his previous forum for being a perpetual troller, and given the proportion of his political posts here (all trolls) vs. his musical ones, it may have been a pathological character defect. I don't know, I won't speak ill of the departed. :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 12, 2021, 10:55:03 AM
Don't know if you can make a cause and effect relationship there. I was given to understand that he was expelled from his previous forum for being a perpetual troller, and given the proportion of his political posts here (all trolls) vs. his musical ones, it may have been a pathological character defect. I don't know, I won't speak ill of the departed. :-\

8)

Well, I understand. I wasn't aware, because I didn't read more than the first few of his political posts, finding them lacking anything of interest. Calling him a respected member above I referred to his musical posts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 12, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
I don't understand why we need a ban of a topic for people to avoid it. I'm allowed to go to North Dakota, but I've been alive for 31 years without ever once being interested in going to North Dakota.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on February 12, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
I don't understand why we need a ban of a topic for people to avoid it. I'm allowed to go to North Dakota, but I've been alive for 31 years without ever once being interested in going to North Dakota.

Very well-expressed, thank you. (No offense to any pals in North Dakota.  ;D )

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on February 12, 2021, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: Old San Antone on February 12, 2021, 12:00:44 PM
What hasn't been explained is why we need a political topic on a music forum?  Politics and religion are hot button issues and discussions often become confrontational. 

I really don't get the necessity of having it here at all.

It is the wish of Rob, the forum's owner/operator/funder. And most of the time, political discussion is kept under control by those engaging in it. But now and then things go awry.

My feeling is, that like many of the non-music topics here, fine to delve into politics occasionally. But if that is someone's prime reason for being here, then he or she has the wrong forum.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 12, 2021, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: Old San Antone on February 12, 2021, 12:00:44 PM
What hasn't been explained is why we need a political topic on a music forum?  Politics and religion are hot button issues and discussions often become confrontational. 

I really don't get the necessity of having it here at all.

But you say that as if you believe that me and Bruce and Que & Knight sat down together one day and said "screw it, we're gonna have a politics topic, fallout be damned". The train has left the station on this, and it is what the owner of the forum says it is. We moderate the hell out of that thread, which isn't how we like to spend our precious time here. But we do it anyway in order to maintain a semblance of civility.

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
I don't understand why we need a ban of a topic for people to avoid it. I'm allowed to go to North Dakota, but I've been alive for 31 years without ever once being interested in going to North Dakota.

This should say everything that needs to be said. Substitute your *favorite* place for North Dakota. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 12, 2021, 12:19:28 PM
I feel like we've had this discussion for like twenty years.  Funny enough I think the most vitrolic fights I've seen were over PI vs MI, was Mozart a fraud, Koechlin is the greatest composer etc. all musical threads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on February 12, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: DavidW on February 12, 2021, 12:19:28 PM
Funny enough I think the most vitrolic fights I've seen were over PI vs MI, was Mozart a fraud, Koechlin is the greatest composer etc. all musical threads.

Aaaahh, fond memories....  :D

I recall the HIP debate as neverending, but not as particularly vitriolic. But perhaps time has softened my memories...
Interestingly the whole thing is a non issue these days, at least for most of us.

Robert Newman's Mozart-was-a-fraud trolling was higly entertaining!  ;D

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on February 12, 2021, 12:39:57 PM
When I was a little kid and visiting my aunt, I used to look at a larger version of this figurine she had in her kitchen and wonder what it meant. Now, over 50 years later, I  get it.   :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 12, 2021, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Que on February 12, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
Aaaahh, fond memories....  :D

I recall the HIP debate as neverending, but not as particularly vitriolic. But perhaps time has softened my memories...
Interestingly the whole thing is a non issue these days, at least for most of us.

Robert Newman's Mozart-was-a-fraud trolling was higly entertaining!  ;D

Q

As you will one day learn, young friend, lots of things soften with time, but life carries on. David is right, many of those discussions were really bitter. Somewhere I have a couple of PM's from Jens about that... :D

I am a member of an organization that distributes scholarly writings, the other day they sent me a blurb (knowing my interest in Haydn and Mozart) for an essay by Robert Newman. Well, that shot their credibility in the arse!  :D :D

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on February 12, 2021, 12:58:48 PM
Newman.... Those were the days.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 12, 2021, 01:43:36 PM
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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 02:17:58 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 10:51:36 AM
So if political discussions had been banned in GMG, Handelian would have concentrated upon his musical post, and he probably wouldn't have left the forum.

I find this an odd proposition. GMG is not some closed universe, it exists on the internet. If political discussions had been banned in GMG, a person who showed a desire to post about politics more often than about classical music would most likely go and spend time on a forum with a lot of discussion about politics.

Ideally, one that had a 'general discussion' area with a thread about classical music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 02:17:58 PM
I find this an odd proposition. GMG is not some closed universe, it exists on the internet. If political discussions had been banned in GMG, a person who showed a desire to post about politics more often than about classical music would most likely go and spend time on a forum with a lot of discussion about politics.

Ideally, one that had a 'general discussion' area with a thread about classical music.

I may be wrong, but my impression is, that Handelian had a greater desire to post about music than about politics. This was probably why he registered here. But the political thread in the dinner seduced him to troll about politics. If this hadn't existed, I don't think he would begin to troll in the music threads. As you know, there are other posters here, who troll in the political thread, but not in the music threads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 02:55:02 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 02:31:27 PM
I may be wrong, but my impression is, that Handelian had a greater desire to post about music than about politics. This was probably why he registered here. But the political thread in the dinner seduced him to troll about politics. If this hadn't existed, I don't think he would begin to troll in the music threads. As you know, there are other posters here, who troll in the political thread, but not in the music threads.

But people change. Interests change.

Certainly, politics (and American politics in particular) and the discourse around it has changed over the years.

I think you're completely wrong to describe the political thread as 'seducing him to troll about politics'. That seems to fall into the fallacy again of having the moderators set out to create a thread about politics for people to troll in.  Trolling about politics is not something that people have learned here on GMG specifically, because there's a whole swathe of the internet where people have come to learn the "entertainment" value of talking shit about politics.  And wherever it was he learned that, or was seduced by how trolling felt, he brought that lesson to GMG.

Again, GMG is not some hermetically sealed environment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 12, 2021, 03:12:43 PM
Interesting discussion, gents.

I'll say that there ought in fact to be value in discussing politics. I do enjoy having thoughtful, civil conversations with people whose viewpoint does not necessarily align with mine.  If a chap can discuss his thoughts and viewpoint (as opposed to, "all you libtards drink fetus & wheat germ smoothies, and wear baby-skin skullcaps") I may just learn things.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 03:16:50 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 02:55:02 PM

I think you're completely wrong to describe the political thread as 'seducing him to troll about politics'. That seems to fall into the fallacy again of having the moderators set out to create a thread about politics for people to troll in.

Of course the moderators haven't created a thread on politics with the single purpose of attracting people who want to troll. I just think it is an unavoidable side effect of harbouring that kind of thread, so it would be preferable if such threads didn't exist in GMG, which is a respectable music forum, where discussions about politics are relevent only to the extent they take their point of departure from musical subjects.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 12, 2021, 03:12:43 PM
Interesting discussion, gents.

I'll say that there ought in fact to be value in discussing politics. I do enjoy having thoughtful, civil conversations with people whose viewpoint does not necessarily align with mine.  If a chap can discuss his thoughts and viewpoint (as opposed to, "all you libtards drink fetus & wheat germ smoothies, and wear baby-skin skullcaps") I may just learn things.

You have a kind of point there. And there are a lot of GMG posters (not the least yourself) who discuss political subjects in a civilized and often informative way. The problem is BTW that one or two trolls may poison the athmosphere and spoil the discussion for other posters. Often the trolls eventually leave the forum, and that's fine, but in other cases they cause other posters to leave, and this is most regrettable and may be avoided by closing the political threads. Another way would be more active moderation, but it seems as if the moderators take a long time to react, and much harm may be done before that. As I wrote earlier there are numerous other options on the internet, if one wants to discuss politics. However I realize, that trolls also may get problems in such threads, even if they may be tolerated for a long time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 03:16:50 PM
Of course the moderators haven't created a thread on politics with the single purpose of attracting people who want to troll. I just think it is an unavoidable side effect of harbouring that kind of thread, so it would be preferable if such threads didn't exist in GMG, which is a respectable music forum, where discussions about politics are relevent only to the extent they take their point of departure from musical subjects.

In my experience, many forums have an equivalent of The Lounge for off-topic discussions. Insisting on 'relevance' has its own downsides, including an effect on the kind of people who wish to hang out on a forum.

I've been involved in administrative law over my career. One of the worst nights of my life was a trivia night at an administrative law conference, where a roomful of administrative lawyers were subjected to a quiz where every question was about administrative law.

Sure, there were 2 tables at the front having a great time, with the people most heavily involved in the organisation running the conference. Most other people left before the quiz was over.

Think about that. A whole bunch of people who were at the conference precisely because they were interested in discussing administrative law, having a really bad time because even at dinner there was no topic but administrative law.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 12, 2021, 03:44:22 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
You have a kind of point there. And there are a lot of GMG posters (not the least yourself) who discuss political subjects in a civilized and often informative way. The problem is BTW that one or two trolls may poison the athmosphere and spoil the discussion for other posters. Often the trolls eventually leave the forum, and that's fine, but in other cases they cause other posters to leave, and this is most regrettable and may be avoided by closing the political threads. Another way would be more active moderation, but it seems as if the moderators take a long time to react, and much harm may be done before that. As I wrote earlier there are numerous other options on the internet, if one wants to discuss politics. However I realize, that trolls also may get problems in such threads, even if they may be tolerated for a long time.

I think you are talking ancient history as far as mods reacting in the politics thread. We delete and chastise before you even know there has been a problem. It is the reason why some posters, who previously thrived here, have given up: they don't care at all about having their posts deleted before the desired effect has been gained.

In any case, as I said before, the train has left the station on this subject. There is a single USA Politics thread. It is heavily moderated and posts are subject to removal without delay or explanation. The quality of the discourse there has greatly improved since these draconian measures were implemented, and since the owner of the forum wishes the adults to have a place to discuss politics, then that is the bottom line. It'll be cool, time for us all to chill and discuss some music. :)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 03:39:28 PM

Think about that. A whole bunch of people who were at the conference precisely because they were interested in discussing administrative law, having a really bad time because even at dinner there was no topic but administrative law.

I do not think music can be compared to administrative law. There is so much more diversity in music, actually something for every taste, and music is something we are occupied with for pleasure and not just a dutiful passtime.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
I do not think music can be compared to administrative law. There is so much more diversity in music, actually something for every taste, and music is something we are occupied with for pleasure and not just a dutiful passtime.

Just because it would a dutiful pastime for you, don't assume it would be for everyone else!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 12, 2021, 03:44:22 PM
I think you are talking ancient history as far as mods reacting in the politics thread. We delete and chastise before you even know there has been a problem. It is the reason why some posters, who previously thrived here, have given up: they don't care at all about having their posts deleted before the desired effect has been gained.

Not that ancient BTW, we have had some examples in the last two months. And lastly Handelian, whom more GMGers call a troll.

But if you intensify the moderation, it is probably the only option. For my own part, I do not post in the political thread, and I only read the post of a few selected posters. So I dont' need to care. What annoys me as a long standing GMGer is, that this political thread may cause some good old GMGers to leave the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 12, 2021, 04:10:37 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 12, 2021, 04:05:23 PM
Just because it would a dutiful pastime for you, don't assume it would be for everyone else!

Both my parents were lawyers, so I have seen and heard a lot. They both unanimously advised me against juridical studies, despite the fact that they said I had a well-developed dialectical sense.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 12, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 04:10:37 PM
Both my parents were lawyers, so I have seen and heard a lot. They both unanimously advised me against juridical studies, despite the fact that they said I had a well-developed dialectical sense.

You are blessed in your parents, friend.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 03:44:03 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 04:34:07 AM
BTW I have always thought, that political (and religious) threads should be banned in a civilized music forum like this one. If people want to discuss politics there are many alternative options.

Quote from: Old San Antone on February 12, 2021, 04:50:02 AM
It has been a mystery to me why this otherwise excellent forum has political thread(s). ... ...the combination of the political squabbling and then the loss of members reduced the forum to a few active members.

No forum is perfect, but I don't see how politics enhances a discussion of music.

Quote from: Mirror Image on February 12, 2021, 07:39:08 AM
Gentlemen, this is something that I've been saying for quite some time now. I sometimes contribute to the US political thread, but it isn't the reason as to why I post here. This is a music forum first and foremost. You would think since you know who left office, things would quieten down, but it seems to be going as strong as ever. I'm with San Antone and have certainly considered spending time on another forum, which I've done, but I don't understand how this forum can flourish if we have members leaving left and right with no new blood coming into the scenario or maybe there are new members signing up, but they just lurk in the shadows, because of their feeling that this many of this veteran members would rather spend their time talking politics then music.

Quote from: Old San Antone on February 12, 2021, 12:00:44 PM
What hasn't been explained is why we need a political topic on a music forum?  Politics and religion are hot button issues and discussions often become confrontational. 

I really don't get the necessity of having it here at all.

Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 03:16:50 PM
Of course the moderators haven't created a thread on politics with the single purpose of attracting people who want to troll. I just think it is an unavoidable side effect of harbouring that kind of thread, so it would be preferable if such threads didn't exist in GMG, which is a respectable music forum, where discussions about politics are relevent only to the extent they take their point of departure from musical subjects.

Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
The problem is BTW that one or two trolls may poison the athmosphere and spoil the discussion for other posters. Often the trolls eventually leave the forum, and that's fine, but in other cases they cause other posters to leave, and this is most regrettable and may be avoided by closing the political threads. Another way would be more active moderation, but it seems as if the moderators take a long time to react, and much harm may be done before that. As I wrote earlier there are numerous other options on the internet, if one wants to discuss politics.

Quote from: (: premont :) on February 12, 2021, 04:06:59 PM
What annoys me as a long standing GMGer is, that this political thread may cause some good old GMGers to leave the forum.

I agree with the sentiments and concerns expressed above. I had suggested in the past that political threads should either be banned, or members should at least be given the ability to mute them. I don't understand why the second option, at least, is not pursued. I think it is by now well proven that these threads create an unnecessary toxic environment in the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 03:44:13 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
I don't understand why we need a ban of a topic for people to avoid it. I'm allowed to go to North Dakota, but I've been alive for 31 years without ever once being interested in going to North Dakota.

Only in this case, "North Dakota" is a dilapidated meth/junkie house on your daily commute to work, unavoidable and ubiquitous, from which brawls and general unpleasantness spill onto the neighbourhood time and time again at regular intervals. You don't have to go inside in order to think that something permanent ought to be done about it. Calling the cops every single time while neighbours get to the point of selling their houses and leaving because of its presence is hardly a solution.

It would be North Dakota, the (I assume beautiful and) remote US state, if the offending thread was not readily visible when hitting the "Show unread posts since last visit" button. And no, not using this functionality and navigating the forum through the main screen instead is not an acceptable alternative, because it is not convenient. Having to make a huge/uncomfortable detour in order to avoid "North Dakota" House on one's way to work does not mean that problem solved, everything is well in the neighbourhood.

And now excuse me while I go and look at some pictures from North Dakota. The state.   ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 13, 2021, 06:52:51 AM
Quote from: The new erato on February 12, 2021, 04:50:46 AM
Why someone would join a classical music forum to become embroiled in political threads is beyond me.

I think that one's worldview is not strictly compartmentalized in boxes which have no communication whatsoever between themselves. My musical, literary, political, economical, social and religious convictions / opinions / preferences are intertwined. I joined this forum 14 years (I think) ago because I stumbled upon it musically, yet it was not very long before I started posting in religion and politics thread. (Though always in threads started by other people, not a single one of my own starting --- a fact well worth stressing.)

What is really beyond me is why most people (in the light of the topic at hand, even the most civil people) assume that people expressing different /diverging / antagonistic opinions are trolling or even clinically unable to argue in good faith (this last point has been made explicitly and I believe it's THE reason for Handelian's leaving.)

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And if you choose to do it, you should have a strong stomach and count to one hundred before you post anything at all.

Fair enough, and I think all these years I showed a strong stomach and good counting abilities --- but I wonder how many of us could have stomached in full and tranquil composure the suggestion that we are not only not arguing on good faith, but actually medically unable to argue in good faith. (see last paragraph above).

That's what changed my mind so radically:  political threads can, and do, stimulate the worst even in the best people --- and I think that whatever stimulates the worst even in the best people should be actively discouraged.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 13, 2021, 07:00:21 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 03:44:03 AM
I agree with the sentiments and concerns expressed above. I had suggested in the past that political threads should either be banned, or members should at least be given the ability to mute them. I don't understand why the second option, at least, is not pursued. [snip]

In the present case, at least, that would have made no difference. I have no expectation that Handelian would have muted the thread: he was here to troll (i.e. he was bent on being part of the problem.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2021, 07:04:43 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
I don't understand why we need a ban of a topic for people to avoid it. I'm allowed to go to North Dakota, but I've been alive for 31 years without ever once being interested in going to North Dakota.

Political and religious topics have always incited heated debate. The problem with this is in some cases is that some members get offended and as a result end up leaving the forum, which we've all been witness to at this juncture. Ignoring isn't really the answer any longer. I truly believe something needs to be done about the political threads, because, quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing people leave because of some stupid argument that, in reality, doesn't mean anything to anyone at the end of the day. What is of utmost importance is the music and when you have long-time members contributing less and less to the musical topics and spend more time on the political threads, then I think that's a long-term problem. But I guess if we just ignore it, while one member after another vanished to never return, then I suppose we can talk to ourselves, but honestly, I don't need a forum to do that. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 13, 2021, 07:08:24 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 13, 2021, 06:52:51 AM
What is really beyond me is why most people (in the light of the topic at hand, even the most civil people) assume that people expressing different erging / antagonistic opinions are trolling or even clinically unable to argue in good faith (this last point has been made explicitly and I believe it's THE reason for Handelian's leaving.)

Anyone who believes otherwise is at complete uncurtailed liberty to demonstrate otherwise if he can.  I never assert that any person whose opinion is merely different, diverging, or antagonistic to mine is medically incapable of arguing in good faith.

When my grandad dandled me on his knee in Bum's Landing, New Jersey, one of the things he taught me was: the devil cannot endure to be mocked. I took it as a lesson in human humility.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 13, 2021, 07:09:27 AM
Quote from: Old San Antone on February 13, 2021, 07:06:01 AM
When I participated in the political thread what I found was that there seemed to a majority of members from the left and I, and maybe one other person, represented the right, or opposing view.  Even though I thought I was offering reasoned and thoughtful posts, they were routinely lampooned, ridiculed, and most people responded in what I would describe a snarky fashion: one line put downs, sarcasm, and other forms of disrespectful treatment of my view.

This is why I gave up on the thread - there was no productive, thoughtful, discussion.

Would it be possible to ask Rob why he is so committed to having this kind of thread on GMG?  Or create a poll to see just how much support they have?

I believe the poll idea was acted upon earlier.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 13, 2021, 07:18:43 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2021, 07:08:24 AM
Anyone who believes otherwise is at complete uncurtailed liberty to demonstrate otherwise if he can.  I never assert that any person whose opinion is merely different, diverging, or antagonistic to mine is medically incapable of arguing in good faith.

When my grandad dandled me on his knee in Bum's Landing, New Jersey, one of the things he taught me was: the devil cannot endure to be mocked. I took it as a lesson in human humility.

Karl, your PM inbox is full!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2021, 07:35:31 AM
Quote from: Old San Antone on February 13, 2021, 07:06:01 AM
When I participated in the political thread what I found was that there seemed to a majority of members from the left and I, and maybe one other person, represented the right, or opposing view.  Even though I thought I was offering reasoned and thoughtful posts, they were routinely lampooned, ridiculed, and most people responded in what I would describe a snarky fashion: one line put downs, sarcasm, and other forms of disrespectful treatment of my view.

This is why I gave up on the thread - there was no productive, thoughtful, discussion.

Would it be possible to ask Rob why he is so committed to having this kind of thread on GMG?  Or create a poll to see just how much support they have?

I started a poll about the very topic in which you mentioned and you can review the results here:

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,30402.0.html (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,30402.0.html)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 13, 2021, 07:41:19 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2021, 07:35:31 AM
I started a poll about the very topic in which you mentioned and you can review the results here:

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,30402.0.html (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,30402.0.html)

I voted NO back then but in the light of recent development I'd vote YES.

As Bossuet (I think) put it, We should not allow people to utterly disgrace themselves.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 07:56:11 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2021, 07:00:21 AM
In the present case, at least, that would have made no difference. I have no expectation that Handelian would have muted the thread: he was here to troll (i.e. he was bent on being part of the problem.

I was neither referring specifically to the latest case, nor made the proposition for the benefit of the offending members, so this is rather irrelevant. The proposition is for the benefit of the rest of us normal people who come to a music forum to read and write about music and do not wish to be constantly spammed by inane threads of political or any other debauchery. The "Show unread posts since last visit" query should at the very least be able to ignore/mute selected threads. I can't imagine that there's any reason why you should have an objection to that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2021, 07:35:31 AM
I started a poll about the very topic in which you mentioned and you can review the results here:

Since Rob seems to object to the ban (a view I'd urge him to reconsider) and in order to have the best of both worlds, I strongly believe that the ability to mute selected threads should be made available to members.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 13, 2021, 08:03:27 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
I strongly believe that the ability to mute selected threads should be made available to members.

I do too, and not only with respect to political threads --- but I suspect that it's not in Rob's power to do that, it's the platform itself that doesn't allow it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 13, 2021, 09:03:36 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 07:56:11 AM
I was neither referring specifically to the latest case, nor made the proposition for the benefit of the offending members, so this is rather irrelevant. The proposition is for the benefit of the rest of us normal people who come to a music forum to read and write about music and do not wish to be constantly spammed by inane threads of political or any other debauchery. The "Show unread posts since last visit" query should at the very least be able to ignore/mute selected threads. I can't imagine that there's any reason why you should have an objection to that.

Your note of the irrelevance is well taken. I have no objection, indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 13, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 03:44:13 AM
from which brawls and general unpleasantness spill onto the neighbourhood time and time again at regular intervals.
If there were political debates about Tr*mp or B*ris or P*tin happening in "Purchases Today" or the Beethoven thread, I would understand this perspective, but I don't really see those arguments spilling out into musical areas. Sometimes, someone like Florestan connects music to philosophy or religious traditions, but that is very different and totally valid.

Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 03:44:13 AM
when hitting the "Show unread posts since last visit" button. And no, not using this functionality and navigating the forum through the main screen instead is not an acceptable alternative, because it is not convenient.
Ahh, this is a valid point. I do not use the forum that way. I use the forum the "unacceptable, inconvenient" way. I manually click through General, Recordings, Composers, and Jazz, and then sometimes click on the OT book, movie, and food threads. This is to choose which conversations to get involved in. If I clicked "Show unread posts" and read the entire forum as one big digest, yes, it probably would be irritating to see all the political discussions...and the polls on your 17 favorite Welsh art-song writers.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 13, 2021, 09:22:30 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 13, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
Sometimes, someone like Florestan connects music to philosophy or religious traditions, but that is very different and totally valid.

I'm flattered by your remark. Thanks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on February 13, 2021, 09:23:49 AM
May I point out that we don't have to read every thread. Open the threads you want to read/post in. The "Mark All Messages Read" button will take care of the rest.

But hold on for a moment
Quote from: Brian on February 13, 2021, 09:16:15 AM

Ahh, this is a valid point. I do not use the forum that way. I use the forum the "unacceptable, inconvenient" way. I manually click through General, Recordings, Composers, and Jazz, and then sometimes click on the OT book, movie, and food threads. This is to choose which conversations to get involved in. If I clicked "Show unread posts" and read the entire forum as one big digest, yes, it probably would be irritating to see all the political discussions...and the polls on your 17 favorite Welsh art-song writers.  ;D

The Unread Posts button merely shows me a trimmed down version, with the threads most recently posted in at the top. It doesn't give me a digest. Does it differ between OSs or something?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 13, 2021, 09:23:54 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 13, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
Ahh, this is a valid point. I do not use the forum that way. I use the forum the "unacceptable, inconvenient" way. I manually click through General, Recordings, Composers, and Jazz, and then sometimes click on the OT book, movie, and food threads. This is to choose which conversations to get involved in. If I clicked "Show unread posts" and read the entire forum as one big digest, yes, it probably would be irritating to see all the political discussions...and the polls on your 17 favorite Welsh art-song writers.  ;D

Brian that is totally bananas!  It is way faster to view the unread posts.  We have so many rooms.  I'm guessing you're also the type to listen to vinyl just to put effort into setting it up and flipping the sides.  And you also bake all your bread from scratch! ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 13, 2021, 09:25:57 AM
I wish I could unsubscribe from about 75% of the threads I've been posting in all these years...  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 13, 2021, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: JBS on February 13, 2021, 09:23:49 AM
The Unread Posts button merely shows me a trimmed down version, with the threads most recently posted in at the top. It doesn't give me a digest. Does it differ between OSs or something?

I don't know, I haven't clicked it in years, but I assumed that the people complaining they have to see politics must be clicking on some kind of button which shows them all of the posts, not just thread titles??

Quote from: DavidW on February 13, 2021, 09:23:54 AM
Brian that is totally bananas!  It is way faster to view the unread posts.  We have so many rooms.  I'm guessing you're also the type to listen to vinyl just to put effort into setting it up and flipping the sides.  And you also bake all your bread from scratch! ;D

Hahaha! No record player but my girlfriend does bake all our bread  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 13, 2021, 10:38:12 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 13, 2021, 10:35:20 AM
I don't know, I haven't clicked it in years, but I assumed that the people complaining they have to see politics must be clicking on some kind of button which shows them all of the posts, not just thread titles??

Hahaha! No record player but my girlfriend does bake all our bread  ;D

Nothing better than home-baked bread (not that I bake any, myself.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 13, 2021, 11:26:15 AM
It seems like everybody I know took it upon themselves to make sourdough bread from scratch in the past year.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 13, 2021, 01:21:09 PM
FWIW, I don't care for sourdough.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 13, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2021, 01:21:09 PM
FWIW, I don't care for sourdough.

After a year and a half in San Francisco, where that is all you can get, I developed a taste for sourdough. Enough of one to be generally critical of what I can get elsewhere. Damn it, if it's supposed to be sour, then make it so!  >:(  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 13, 2021, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2021, 01:21:09 PM
FWIW, I don't care for sourdough.

If you have fresh sourdough you might change your mind.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 13, 2021, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
Since Rob seems to object to the ban (a view I'd urge him to reconsider) and in order to have the best of both worlds, I strongly believe that the ability to mute selected threads should be made available to members.

The technology doesn't exist.

I mean, I literally asked about this years ago, thoroughly sick of having One Word Posts or some similarly inane thread appear in the 'new replies to your posts' list. But the technology that the forum runs on doesn't have this option. Once you've posted on a thread it will show up there (even if you delete the post).

And of course 'show unread posts' will show all threads whether you've posted on them or not.

But the fact remains, members are not obliged to read these threads. They are certainly not obliged to participate in them. Everyone who participates in political threads has decided to do so. Yes, that might be because various bits of their lower primal brain have been triggered, but people have to make choices about these things, and can teach themselves to stop participating even if they started.

I maintain the view that people who are participating in the political threads more than the music ones are doing so simply because they find politics more 'interesting' in some way that music. If you didn't have the political threads here on GMG as an option, I am not convinced that this would somehow cause them to be less interested in politics and more interested in music, it would just mean that they engaged their interest in politics somewhere other than GMG.

Would it insulate GMG from drama? Yes. Would the result be fewer people leaving GMG? Again I'm not that convinced. It would perhaps just mean more people leaving quietly and fewer people doing the drama queen flame-out of deleting their accounts (an action that seems way, way more popular on GMG than I've ever seen anywhere else). You might not notice them leaving, but I reckon a lot of them would still be effectively leaving, spending their time being engaged in political discussion wherever that was occurring.

If you want more activity in the classical threads, the solution is not to stop people talking about other things, the solution is to make the classical threads more interesting.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 13, 2021, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: DavidW on February 13, 2021, 03:01:50 PM
If you have fresh sourdough you might change your mind.

I expect you're right, Davey!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on February 13, 2021, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: DavidW on February 13, 2021, 11:26:15 AM
It seems like everybody I know took it upon themselves to make sourdough bread from scratch in the past year.

Sourdough for a sour year, perhaps?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 13, 2021, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 13, 2021, 04:46:34 PM
The technology doesn't exist.

I mean, I literally asked about this years ago, thoroughly sick of having One Word Posts or some similarly inane thread appear in the 'new replies to your posts' list. But the technology that the forum runs on doesn't have this option. Once you've posted on a thread it will show up there (even if you delete the post).

And of course 'show unread posts' will show all threads whether you've posted on them or not.

But the fact remains, members are not obliged to read these threads. They are certainly not obliged to participate in them. Everyone who participates in political threads has decided to do so. Yes, that might be because various bits of their lower primal brain have been triggered, but people have to make choices about these things, and can teach themselves to stop participating even if they started.

I maintain the view that people who are participating in the political threads more than the music ones are doing so simply because they find politics more 'interesting' in some way that music. If you didn't have the political threads here on GMG as an option, I am not convinced that this would somehow cause them to be less interested in politics and more interested in music, it would just mean that they engaged their interest in politics somewhere other than GMG.

Would it insulate GMG from drama? Yes. Would the result be fewer people leaving GMG? Again I'm not that convinced. It would perhaps just mean more people leaving quietly and fewer people doing the drama queen flame-out of deleting their accounts (an action that seems way, way more popular on GMG than I've ever seen anywhere else). You might not notice them leaving, but I reckon a lot of them would still be effectively leaving, spending their time being engaged in political discussion wherever that was occurring.

I agree with every bit of this post. In fact, I made a parallel effort with Madiel at the time and tried every control I had access to, to no avail. It just can't be done with this software. Perhaps a future update will include some functionality in that direction. Meantime, I can say that I never click on "Show new replies to your posts", but my scope is necessarily broader than his, I actually have my browser set to launch GMG on the "Show new posts since your last visit" link, because I have to see what people are up to. But that is merely different priorities, not a solution.

It's just like gaining weight: every pound added to your belly came from food YOU put in your mouth. And if you hate political discussion and its associated rancor, but you go there anyway, what the hell??

QuoteIf you want more activity in the classical threads, the solution is not to stop people talking about other things, the solution is to make the classical threads more interesting.

I have been preaching this for years. There is nothing new under the sun, people were griping this gripe when I joined this forum 19 years ago. The solution has never changed: if you want more interesting threads, start them. If they truly ARE more interesting, you will have plenty of replies and conversation.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 13, 2021, 04:46:34 PM
The technology doesn't exist.

I mean, I literally asked about this years ago, thoroughly sick of having One Word Posts or some similarly inane thread appear in the 'new replies to your posts' list. But the technology that the forum runs on doesn't have this option. Once you've posted on a thread it will show up there (even if you delete the post).

And of course 'show unread posts' will show all threads whether you've posted on them or not.

But the fact remains, members are not obliged to read these threads. They are certainly not obliged to participate in them. Everyone who participates in political threads has decided to do so. Yes, that might be because various bits of their lower primal brain have been triggered, but people have to make choices about these things, and can teach themselves to stop participating even if they started.

I maintain the view that people who are participating in the political threads more than the music ones are doing so simply because they find politics more 'interesting' in some way that music. If you didn't have the political threads here on GMG as an option, I am not convinced that this would somehow cause them to be less interested in politics and more interested in music, it would just mean that they engaged their interest in politics somewhere other than GMG.

Would it insulate GMG from drama? Yes. Would the result be fewer people leaving GMG? Again I'm not that convinced. It would perhaps just mean more people leaving quietly and fewer people doing the drama queen flame-out of deleting their accounts (an action that seems way, way more popular on GMG than I've ever seen anywhere else). You might not notice them leaving, but I reckon a lot of them would still be effectively leaving, spending their time being engaged in political discussion wherever that was occurring.

If you want more activity in the classical threads, the solution is not to stop people talking about other things, the solution is to make the classical threads more interesting.

What I want, already stated, is the ability to choose not to be spammed with inane threads in the "Show unread posts since last visit" result page. It surprises me that many of the answers I read here focus instead on the forum's social mechanics. Frankly, I find some of the conjectures made, as well as the very willingness to make them, rather repugnant as it implies members are pawns to be manipulated into this or that action and behaviour. I'm merely asking for some more functionality to be added to the forum for the benefit of everyone that would care to use it. I find it incredible that the forum software gives us the ability to mute posters but, allegedly, not threads. I mean, this is practically medieval.  ;D
Even if the functionality is indeed not possible at the moment, I urge Rob and those software geniuses among us to be on the lookout for the implementation of such a feature when it becomes possible and I'm thanking them in advance for the effort.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on February 14, 2021, 12:43:33 AM
I briefly saw a couple of Handelian posts in the politics thread and decided they were not worth bothering with. Much unpleasantness could have been avoided if you were all as wise as me. I have friends with occasional stupid opinions, and I always shut up (not always though) and remember why I like them and consider them good and wortwhile friends. Friendship doesn't preclude discussion, but not all discussions are productive.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on February 14, 2021, 12:50:56 AM
Quote from: The new erato on February 14, 2021, 12:43:33 AM
I briefly saw a couple of Handelian posts in the politics thread and decided they were not worth bothering with. Much unpleasantness could have been avoided if you were all as wise as me. I have friends with occasional stupid opinions, and I always shut up (not always though) and remember why I like them and consider them good and wortwhile friends. Friendship doesn't preclude discussion, but not all discussions are productive.

You are right, and wise!  :)

We should all try to suppress the urge to engage in pointless exchanges which do not merit the term debate or discussion.

Q
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 14, 2021, 12:54:13 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 10:52:44 PM
What I want, already stated, is the ability to choose not to be spammed with inane threads in the "Show unread posts since last visit" result page. It surprises me that many of the answers I read here focus instead on the forum's social mechanics. Frankly, I find some of the conjectures made, as well as the very willingness to make them, rather repugnant as it implies members are pawns to be manipulated into this or that action and behaviour. I'm merely asking for some more functionality to be added to the forum for the benefit of everyone that would care to use it. I find it incredible that the forum software gives us the ability to mute posters but, allegedly, not threads. I mean, this is practically medieval.  ;D
Even if the functionality is indeed not possible at the moment, I urge Rob and those software geniuses among us to be on the lookout for the implementation of such a feature when it becomes possible and I'm thanking them in advance for the effort.

Yes, and you even put your request in bold a lot. It can't happen, however incredible you find that, and I wouldn't hold your breath that the software is going to develop those features.

MEANWHILE, we're talking about ways you can deal with the situation while your wish is impossible to grant. You can either deal with the social mechanics, or you can do nothing and wish for a technological solution that doesn't currently exist. Your choice.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 01:53:40 AM
Quote from: Madiel on February 14, 2021, 12:54:13 AM
I wouldn't hold your breath that the software is going to develop those features.

It is conceivable that you're making it sound more implausible than it actually is.


Quote from: Madiel on February 14, 2021, 12:54:13 AMYou can either deal with the social mechanics, or you can do nothing...

That's a false dilemma.

And what the moderators have been doing, dealing with the fires borne out of all the needless political rancour, is not social mechanics.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 02:06:08 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 13, 2021, 06:02:47 PMI actually have my browser set to launch GMG on the "Show new posts since your last visit" link...

That's what I have done, as well, since the very beginning. Browsing through the main category pages is occasionally useful, but I find it is more cumbersome and inconvenient, as e.g. it is not usually readily obvious which threads you have already read in full and which you have not and often one needlessly opens or scrolls down a thread merely to find out that no new contributions have been made.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 02:08:20 AM
Quote from: Que on February 14, 2021, 12:50:56 AM
You are right, and wise!  :)

We should all try to suppress the urge to engage in pointless exchanges which do not merit the term debate or discussion.

Q

So true.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 14, 2021, 03:29:37 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 01:53:40 AM
It is conceivable that you're making it sound more implausible than it actually is.

I asked for the feature 5 years ago at least, probably more like 7, and I can't recall seeing it on other sites either. Draw your conclusions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2021, 05:49:49 AM
Quote from: Que on February 14, 2021, 12:50:56 AM
You are right, and wise!  :)

We should all try to suppress the urge to engage in pointless exchanges which do not merit the term debate or discussion.

Q

Plain good sense.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 14, 2021, 06:43:02 AM
Quote from: The new erato on February 14, 2021, 12:43:33 AM
I briefly saw a couple of Handelian posts in the politics thread and decided they were not worth bothering with. Much unpleasantness could have been avoided if you were all as wise as me. I have friends with occasional stupid opinions, and I always shut up (not always though) and remember why I like them and consider them good and wortwhile friends. Friendship doesn't preclude discussion, but not all discussions are productive.

Wise words, indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on February 14, 2021, 07:31:15 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 13, 2021, 10:52:44 PM
What I want, already stated, is the ability to choose not to be spammed with inane threads in the "Show unread posts since last visit" result page. It surprises me that many of the answers I read here focus instead on the forum's social mechanics. Frankly, I find some of the conjectures made, as well as the very willingness to make them, rather repugnant as it implies members are pawns to be manipulated into this or that action and behaviour. I'm merely asking for some more functionality to be added to the forum for the benefit of everyone that would care to use it. I find it incredible that the forum software gives us the ability to mute posters but, allegedly, not threads. I mean, this is practically medieval.  ;D
Even if the functionality is indeed not possible at the moment, I urge Rob and those software geniuses among us to be on the lookout for the implementation of such a feature when it becomes possible and I'm thanking them in advance for the effort.

At the risk of being a bore, I'll repeat what I have said before: we don't need to read all the threads. Open only the threads you wish to read, then click on the button that says "mark all messages as read" to take care of the rest.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: JBS on February 14, 2021, 07:31:15 AM
At the risk of being a bore, I'll repeat what I have said before: we don't need to read all the threads. Open only the threads you wish to read, then click on the button that says "mark all messages as read" to take care of the rest.

«We don't need to read all the spam. Open only the e-mails you wish to read, then click on the button that says "mark all spam as read" to take care of the rest.»

Someone says "It would be beneficial to the forum to be able to filter spam from one's result page" and you feel compelled to answer with "Spam is OK. You don't have to read it." This mentality is part of the problem.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2021, 08:27:24 AM
Quote from: JBS on February 13, 2021, 05:37:59 PM
Sourdough for a sour year, perhaps?

(* chortle *)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 14, 2021, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: The new erato on February 14, 2021, 12:43:33 AM
Friendship doesn't preclude discussion, but not all discussions are productive.

In the past year we've seen a pandemic, BLM unrest and an insurrection.  While at the best of times a politics thread can be unruly, this is the worst of times and nobody is dispassionate no matter their political leanings.  So I don't think that the discussion has been terribly productive.  But... it has to be like only 1% of the content on the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 14, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 08:14:19 AM
«We don't need to read all the spam. Open only the e-mails you wish to read, then click on the button that says "mark all spam as read" to take care of the rest.»

Someone says "It would be beneficial to the forum to be able to filter spam from one's result page" and you feel compelled to answer with "Spam is OK. You don't have to read it." This mentality is part of the problem.  ::) ;D

The responses you are getting are in the context of you being told that we do not have a spam filter. And we aren't getting one.

You can keep rejecting every good answer because it's not your perfect answer, but it's not going to change anything. Been there, done that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on February 14, 2021, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 13, 2021, 01:21:09 PM
FWIW, I don't care for sourdough.

I love it. In particular, with corn beef shredded extra fine (preferably heated up) with some spicy mustard, mayo and baby Swiss cheese. Yum...oh, sorry I'm getting a bit carried away here. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 14, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
it's not going to change anything.

This mentality is definitely part of the problem. But who cares, when... it's snowing outside my window right at this very moment. It's snowing in Athens!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on February 14, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
This mentality is definitely part of the problem. But who cares, when... it's snowing outside my window right at this very moment. It's snowing in Athens!  8)

Nice!  :)
Snow here is melting away in the rains that have arrived this morning.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 15, 2021, 05:11:45 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
This mentality is definitely part of the problem. But who cares, when... it's snowing outside my window right at this very moment. It's snowing in Athens!  8)
Snowing in Athens!  Wow!

In any event, learning how to not let everything drive you crazy and possibly overreact that someone (or ones) says/posts that you disagree with is certainly a challenge on a forum.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 15, 2021, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 14, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
This mentality is definitely part of the problem. But who cares, when... it's snowing outside my window right at this very moment. It's snowing in Athens!  8)

It's not a "mentality". Facts that you don't personally like don't stop being facts. If you seriously think that you can change everything in the world just by wishing alternative facts into existence, you could make it snow in Athens every day you wanted.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on February 15, 2021, 02:09:38 PM
Quote from: Madiel on February 15, 2021, 12:43:12 PM
It's not a "mentality".

It most certainly is. I will leave you arguing with your straw men while I enjoy my neighbourhood clad in white.  ;)


Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on February 15, 2021, 05:11:45 AM
Snowing in Athens!  Wow!

Heavy snowfall at the moment and more forecasted for tomorrow.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 15, 2021, 06:21:52 PM
I seriously feel like I'm living in the only part of the northern hemisphere to not see snow right now!  Even Athens... man...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 15, 2021, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: DavidW on February 15, 2021, 06:21:52 PM
I seriously feel like I'm living in the only part of the northern hemisphere to not see snow right now!  Even Athens... man...

My sister in Tennessee (and it isn't as if it's all that much) says the snow will shut her town down for a month. (I'm rather hoping that's winter-weary hyperbole.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 15, 2021, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: Que on February 14, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
Nice!  :)
Snow here is melting away in the rains that have arrived this morning.

Freezing rain here. The sidewalk is a slippery hazard.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on February 16, 2021, 06:54:38 AM
A fine winter so far. Only 20 cm fell during the night, a few more expected this morning. All the streets and entrance ways already scrubbed clean, the city and private machinery performing their usual ballet most efficiently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 16, 2021, 07:00:10 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 15, 2021, 06:56:52 PM
My sister in Tennessee (and it isn't as if it's all that much) says the snow will shut her town down for a month. (I'm rather hoping that's winter-weary hyperbole.

When I lived in Oklahoma there was an ice storm that shut everything down for two weeks.  You have to remember in the warmer part of the US we have no supplies to handle even a small amount of snow or ice and the results are usually devastating.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 16, 2021, 08:22:36 AM
Quote from: DavidW on February 16, 2021, 07:00:10 AM
When I lived in Oklahoma there was an ice storm that shut everything down for two weeks.  You have to remember in the warmer part of the US we have no supplies to handle even a small amount of snow or ice and the results are usually devastating.
Ice storms are the worst.  It can take what seems like forever to clear downed trees and restore electricity.  And a lot of people require electricity for both heating and/or cooking and hot water.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 16, 2021, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: DavidW on February 16, 2021, 07:00:10 AM
When I lived in Oklahoma there was an ice storm that shut everything down for two weeks.  You have to remember in the warmer part of the US we have no supplies to handle even a small amount of snow or ice and the results are usually devastating.

Too true.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 16, 2021, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on February 16, 2021, 08:22:36 AM
It can take what seems like forever to clear downed trees and restore electricity. 

Last time we had a hurricane here I was without power for an entire week!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 16, 2021, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: DavidW on February 16, 2021, 08:57:29 AM
Last time we had a hurricane here I was without power for an entire week!
Youch!  Very sorry to hear that.  Yes, hurricanes can, and certainly have caused, catastrophic and horrific destruction.  :'(  Sadly, there are risks regardless of where one lives:  tropical storms, snow storms, ice, volcanoes, earthquakes, tornados, drought, fires....   :(

*I remember watching and reading what was going on during and after Hurricane Katrina (including what was not being done to help people there).

Have you given in and purchased a generator?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 16, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
I rent an apartment so no generator for me.  When I buy a house yes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 01, 2021, 05:42:13 PM
I've mentioned him before, but it's worth mentioning again: I miss Dancing Divertimentian, but also Luke and Peter (Moonfish).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 09, 2021, 11:13:27 AM
I miss our Chilean friend Gordo. And Elgarian. And Ghost Sonata aka Zauberdrachen No. 7.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on March 16, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
I just checked another forum (the Art Music Forum) and I could see the former member cilgwyn posting there recently. I continuously wonder why he left this place and deleted his account. Hopefully he'll come back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 17, 2021, 01:25:41 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 16, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
I just checked another forum (the Art Music Forum) and I could see the former member cilgwyn posting there recently. I continuously wonder why he left this place and deleted his account. Hopefully he'll come back!
Very interesting Cesar. His disappearance from here was a total mystery as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 17, 2021, 06:55:57 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 17, 2021, 01:25:41 AM
Very interesting Cesar. His disappearance from here was a total mystery as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, I always found his leaving to be strange because, to my knowledge, I don't believe anyone here upset him. Of course, something could've been happening in his personal life that none of us knew anything about.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on March 18, 2021, 03:41:10 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on March 16, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
I just checked another forum (the Art Music Forum) and I could see the former member cilgwyn posting there recently. I continuously wonder why he left this place and deleted his account. Hopefully he'll come back!

A great character and a much missed member.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 21, 2021, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 17, 2021, 06:55:57 AM
Yes, I always found his leaving to be strange because, to my knowledge, I don't believe anyone here upset him. Of course, something could've been happening in his personal life that none of us knew anything about.
Yes, that's quite true, although if I had something bad happening in my personal life I'm not sure that my immediate response would be to pull the plug on my GMG membership, which often provides a welcome distraction from stressful periods. I like to think that I would not do it without warning either - but who knows?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: milk on March 21, 2021, 01:55:00 AM
What happened to Zambyrd? Just curious. Looks like she disappeared? She started a few threads I still follow.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on March 21, 2021, 06:22:23 AM
Quote from: milk on March 21, 2021, 01:55:00 AM
What happened to Zambyrd? Just curious. Looks like she disappeared? She started a few threads I still follow.

There was a very serious issue with health in her family that came to occupy her.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 21, 2021, 07:49:05 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 21, 2021, 01:00:06 AM
Yes, that's quite true, although if I had something bad happening in my personal life I'm not sure that my immediate response would be to pull the plug on my GMG membership, which often provides a welcome distraction from stressful periods. I like to think that I would not do it without warning either - but who knows?

I guess, depending on who it is of course, they'd like to keep their personal life private. Unlike mine, in which, I really have nothing to share. :P I don't know...his leaving just is downright bizarre and I have no idea why he felt the need to delete his account in the process.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: milk on March 22, 2021, 04:35:37 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on March 21, 2021, 06:22:23 AM
There was a very serious issue with health in her family that came to occupy her.
I'm sad to hear that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 22, 2021, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 01, 2021, 05:42:13 PM
I've mentioned him before, but it's worth mentioning again: I miss Dancing Divertimentian, but also Luke and Peter (Moonfish).

Do you mean Luke Ottevanger, one of England's best yet seemingly unknown composers?

His piano works were full of Scriabinian DNA!  Excellent creations!

His wife appears now and then on FaceBook, but he has gone - with me at least - incommunicado.  I have tried his e-mail address, but no response.

Perhaps the vicissitudes of rearing a family in the past years were too much.  Still...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 22, 2021, 11:09:05 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 22, 2021, 10:27:27 AM
Do you mean Luke Ottevanger, one of England's best yet seemingly unknown composers?

His piano works were full of Scriabinian DNA!  Excellent creations!

His wife appears now and then on FaceBook, but he has gone - with me at least - incommunicado.  I have tried his e-mail address, but no response.

Perhaps the vicissitudes of rearing a family in the past years were too much.  Still...

Yep, that Luke. :) It seems that he does have his hands full with other things and I hope his busy is of the good variety.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 23, 2021, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: milk on March 22, 2021, 04:35:37 AM
I'm sad to hear that.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on March 23, 2021, 04:04:43 AM
I'm curious if anyone knows where Bogey (Bill) has gone? It seems he hasn't been active for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on March 23, 2021, 06:48:54 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on March 23, 2021, 04:04:43 AM
I'm curious if anyone knows where Bogey (Bill) has gone? It seems he hasn't been active for a couple of years.

Bogey made a reappearance several years ago, but it seems he's MIA again. :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 09, 2021, 07:51:20 PM
I haven't seen Sarge in awhile. It seems that his presence on this forum is becoming less and less. I hope his health is good and the same goes for his family.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 10, 2021, 12:56:09 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 09, 2021, 07:51:20 PM
I haven't seen Sarge in awhile. It seems that his presence on this forum is becoming less and less. I hope his health is good and the same goes for his family.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on April 10, 2021, 02:39:26 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 09, 2021, 07:51:20 PM
I haven't seen Sarge in awhile. It seems that his presence on this forum is becoming less and less. I hope his health is good and the same goes for his family.
Wondering about him recently as well and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 10, 2021, 02:52:05 AM
According to Sarge's profile he was active three days ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 07:09:49 AM
Thank you guys for your concern. I'm okay. I didn't realize I hadn't checked in in three days. Times flies when you're old and forgetful  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2021, 07:30:08 AM
Good to know, old bean!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 10, 2021, 07:39:27 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2021, 07:30:08 AM
Good to know, old bean!

+ 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 07:50:32 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2021, 07:30:08 AM
Good to know, old bean!

Quote from: Florestan on April 10, 2021, 07:39:27 AM
+ 1

This is the first time in my life that I've been called Old Bean. Love it  ;D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 10, 2021, 07:52:26 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 07:09:49 AM
Thank you guys for your concern. I'm okay. I didn't realize I hadn't checked in in three days. Times flies when you're old and forgetful  ;D

Sarge

Good to see you alive and kickin', you ol' geezer. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 10, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 07:50:32 AM
This is the first time in my life that I've been called Old Bean. Love it  ;D

Sarge

I read it "old bear" actually --- quite appropriate, I'd say.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 10, 2021, 07:52:26 AM
Good to see you alive and kickin', you ol' geezer. :P

Now "Geezer" is something I have been called before  ;D

Quote from: Florestan on April 10, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
I read it "old bear" actually --- quite appropriate, I'd say.  :laugh:

Indeed. I am quite furry. Haven't shaved since I retired from the army.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2021, 09:49:22 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 10, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
I read it "old bear" actually --- quite appropriate, I'd say.  :laugh:

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2021, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 08:10:41 AM
Now "Geezer" is something I have been called before  ;D

Indeed. I am quite furry. Haven't shaved since I retired from the army.

Sarge

Pardon, sir: what is "shave?"
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on April 10, 2021, 12:11:23 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 07:09:49 AM
Thank you guys for your concern. I'm okay. I didn't realize I hadn't checked in in three days. Times flies when you're old and forgetful  ;D

Sarge

Take it easy and put on Celi on. That will slow time back down for you  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: Papy Oli on April 10, 2021, 12:11:23 PM
Take it easy and put on Celi on. That will slow time back down for you  ;D

Good idea, Papy. I'll put on Celi's Bolero ;)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 01:18:10 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2021, 09:50:12 AM
Pardon, sir: what is "shave?"

That morning ritual torture of which we are both now blissfully free.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 12, 2021, 07:38:58 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 10, 2021, 08:10:41 AM
Now "Geezer" is something I have been called before  ;D

Sarge

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on May 03, 2021, 04:56:17 PM
Nothing from Todd for a month now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on May 03, 2021, 05:07:39 PM
I believe that's a yearly occurence. Tax season and all that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on May 03, 2021, 05:09:58 PM
Ah. Thanks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 02, 2021, 06:45:12 PM
I haven't seen Jan (Traverso) in awhile --- I hope he's doing okay. I see he was last active yesterday, but he's probably just lurking.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 03, 2021, 01:32:53 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 02, 2021, 06:45:12 PM
I haven't seen Jan (Traverso) in awhile --- I hope he's doing okay. I see he was last active yesterday, but he's probably just lurking.

Jan is OK, thank you for asking. He is just taking a bit of a break at the moment as we all do from time to time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 03, 2021, 06:29:46 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 03, 2021, 01:32:53 AM
Jan is OK, thank you for asking. He is just taking a bit of a break at the moment as we all do from time to time.

Ah, very good to read. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 05, 2021, 08:28:42 AM
Good to see you on the mend and in fine spirits, Johan. Take good care of yourself !

:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on June 05, 2021, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)
Take care Johan.  I hope that your health continues to improve day by day.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 05, 2021, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

Oh man, take good care indeed Johan. Wishing you a steady recovery and some happy listening as soon as possible  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 05, 2021, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

Goodness!   :o 

Happy to hear you are on the mend, take care... :)

Sterkte en een voorspoedig herstel!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on June 05, 2021, 09:45:54 AM
Hi Johan - as with all of the others, best of luck to you and family - hoping for a speedy recovery! Dave
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on June 05, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

So sorry to hear that, Johan. I hope you will recover satisfactorily and will come back with more enthusiasm than before. My best wishes to you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 05, 2021, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

Keep mending, Johan! Delighted to hear from you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on June 05, 2021, 11:50:11 AM
Best wishes and regards from here too!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 05, 2021, 11:54:19 AM
You have a PM Johan.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 05, 2021, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

Johan! I haven't forgotten about you! I'm truly sorry to hear what has happened to you --- I really am. You've been such a great friend to me through the years and someone who has been wonderful to talk to especially all things Vaughan Williams! If you need anything, a friend to talk to or just someone to vent to, I'm here for you. I hope everything gets better for you. All my best.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on June 05, 2021, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

Shocked to hear you suffered this, gratified to hear that you are recovering.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 05, 2021, 11:29:40 PM
A very speedy recovery and best wishes from me too, Johan. You'll be in my prayers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 06, 2021, 04:00:31 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

Thinking of you. Happy, that you have passed the serious crisis and hoping that you soon will regain your powers and be able to carry a more normal life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on June 06, 2021, 04:34:26 AM
Wishing you a speedy recovery, Johan. And it is wonderful to hear from you!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on June 06, 2021, 07:42:19 AM
A terrible thing to have gone through! I wish you all fortitude and a following wind in your recovery.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 06, 2021, 08:36:44 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)
You were certainly missed by me Johan. In fact a few days ago I checked when you were last online and noticed that it was quite recently. However, I am so sorry to hear that news my friend and wish you strength in your recovery.
I will be in touch
Jeffrey

PS Have sent PM
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ganondorf on June 06, 2021, 08:43:27 AM
All the best for you, Christo!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 07, 2021, 09:53:24 AM
I hope that Christo is able to return soon as I miss his contributions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 08, 2021, 07:39:16 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 07, 2021, 09:53:24 AM
I hope that Christo is able to return soon as I miss his contributions.

Hear, hear! I concur. Johan has always made GMG a pleasure to visit.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 08, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
I'm going to be taking a long hiatus from classical to explore some other musical interests. Take care everyone!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on June 08, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 08, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
I'm going to be taking a long hiatus from classical to explore some other musical interests. Take care everyone!

Huh??  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on June 08, 2021, 05:26:07 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on June 08, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
Huh??  ???

That's normal on John. Don't worry.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on June 08, 2021, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

I'm so sorry to hear this, Johan. I wish you a speedy recovery and quick return to GMG! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on June 08, 2021, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 08, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
I'm going to be taking a long hiatus from classical to explore some other musical interests. Take care everyone!

And scene. Another dramatic exit. What's astounding is how people still take the bait on this kind of narcissistic posts/"declarations".  ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on June 08, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 05, 2021, 08:23:52 AM
Happy not to be missed, AFAIK. But I hardly posted anything since my cardiac arrest in February with its many consequences (was kept in coma for four days and am only slowly recovering since then). Good to see you all here, so many good old friends. As soon as I can listen to music again - which is hardly the case now - I hope to be back! Warm wishes, Johan  :)

Be well, Johan! My heartfelt wishes for an as-speedy-as-possible and full recovery. Music might help, too. Περαστικά!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on June 08, 2021, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 08, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
I'm going to be taking a long hiatus from classical to explore some other musical interests. Take care everyone!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on June 09, 2021, 06:08:19 AM
My classical listening was more or less derailed by Eurovision. This wasn't planned in advance. I though I might have got back on the wagon the other night with a Beethoven piano trio but since then I haven't really felt the urge.

I don't know if anyone missed me, there wasn't even a Geelong AFL game to talk about.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 06:33:53 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on June 08, 2021, 08:29:40 PM
And scene. Another dramatic exit. What's astounding is how people still take the bait on this kind of narcissistic posts/"declarations".  ::)

What's astounding is you felt the need to write this in the first-place. I'm not baiting anyone --- this isn't the kind of person I am. If you feel that I am, then you're wrong and you don't know me at all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 09, 2021, 06:37:10 AM
Quote from: Madiel on June 09, 2021, 06:08:19 AM
I don't know if anyone missed me, there wasn't even a Geelong AFL game to talk about.

Hang in there, one more sleep !  8)

See, byes are a nuisance  ;D 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 06:38:29 AM
Quote from: Madiel on June 09, 2021, 06:08:19 AM
My classical listening was more or less derailed by Eurovision. This wasn't planned in advance. I though I might have got back on the wagon the other night with a Beethoven piano trio but since then I haven't really felt the urge.

I don't know if anyone missed me, there wasn't even a Geelong AFL game to talk about.

Good to see you back, Madiel. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on June 09, 2021, 08:39:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 08, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
I'm going to be taking a long hiatus from classical to explore some other musical interests. Take care everyone!

Take care, bye!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 09, 2021, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: Que on June 09, 2021, 08:39:20 AM
Take care, bye!

I'm afraid  John's account has been compromised. He (?) said he was going to be away for a long time, and just a few hours later he (?) is back. Will the real John please stand up ? :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on June 09, 2021, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: André on June 09, 2021, 09:13:31 AM
I'm afraid  John's account has been compromised. He (?) said he was going to be away for a long time, and just a few hours later he (?) is back. Will the real John please stand up ? :D

It's that Italian opera fan that hacked into his account a week or two ago.  :D ;). Who ordered a bunch of Puccini operas.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 10:11:18 AM
Haha...:P I still need to get to those Puccini operas. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on June 09, 2021, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 06:33:53 AM
I'm not baiting anyone --- this isn't the kind of person I am.

Of course not, because you're not transparent at all. All it took was someone to call you out on your latest narcissistic "I'm leaving" declaration for it to lose its raison d'être and voilà! your interest in classical music was magically rekindled. Welcome back!  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on June 09, 2021, 11:14:57 AM
Of course not, because you're not transparent at all. All it took was someone to call you out on your latest narcissistic "I'm leaving" declaration for it to lose its raison d'être and voilà! your interest in classical music was magically rekindled. Welcome back!  ;D

I'm always interested in classical music and, honestly, shouldn't you spend your own time worried about yourself than someone else? Go look yourself in the mirror, because the mirror doesn't lie and you're a jaded, bitter person who would rather make speculative and judgmental posts about someone you don't know rather than actually using that time to make musical posts, which are far more interesting. Get off your fucking high horse and let me have my fun.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on June 09, 2021, 11:40:03 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 11:23:41 AM
I'm always interested in classical music and, honestly, shouldn't you spend your own time worried about yourself than someone else? Go look yourself in the mirror, because the mirror doesn't lie and you're a jaded, bitter person who would rather make speculative and judgmental posts about someone you don't know rather than actually using that time to make musical posts, which are far more interesting. Get off your fucking high horse and let me have my fun.

Oh, I'm sorry, textbook narcissist, is holding a mirror to your face spoiling your fun in the "missing members" thread? 🤷‍♂️🥳😉
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 11:44:17 AM
Anyway...I know I've lamented his departure but I'll mention him again, I miss Dancing Divertimentian. But also special mention to Peter (Moonfish). We've lost a lot of good members no thanks to members like Todd and Wanderer who certainly dirty up this forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
Okay, everyone....

I just wanted to announce that...I'M BACK!!! [Insert fireworks and balloons floating into the horizon]

Sincerely,


The Textbook Narcissist :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 09, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
You're never far from our hearts, John !  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on June 09, 2021, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
Okay, everyone....

I just wanted to announce that...I'M BACK!!! [Insert fireworks and balloons floating into the horizon]

Sincerely,


The Textbook Narcissist :P

Ask and ye shall receive!    0:)


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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on June 09, 2021, 02:28:46 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on June 09, 2021, 11:14:57 AM
Of course not, because you're not transparent at all. All it took was someone to call you out on your latest narcissistic "I'm leaving" declaration for it to lose its raison d'être and voilà! your interest in classical music was magically rekindled. Welcome back!  ;D

Look, it's not as if he declared a departure from the forum. Merely that he didn't expect to be listening to classical music for a while.

It was no more than a preemptive statement that might prevent the "where's John" posts on this very same thread.

Instead we have a whole discussion. If we think this is narcissistic, all you've done is feed it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 09, 2021, 02:29:19 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
Okay, everyone....

I just wanted to announce that...I'M BACK!!! [Insert fireworks and balloons floating into the horizon]

Sincerely,


The Textbook Narcissist :P
Excellent News!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on June 09, 2021, 02:32:07 PM
I was going to reply to a MI post this morning and thought "oh, he left, he won't see it" but since then he's posted like 25 more times  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 09, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: André on June 09, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
You're never far from our hearts, John !  ;)

Indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 09, 2021, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: Brian on June 09, 2021, 02:32:07 PM
I was going to reply to a MI post this morning and thought "oh, he left, he won't see it" but since then he's posted like 25 more times  ;D

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 03:12:10 PM
Thanks, guys. You're making this ol' reptilian blush. :D

Oh and I forgot to sign off with my favorite new handle: The Textbook Narcissist. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on June 09, 2021, 04:47:27 PM
Does anyone know anything about pjme?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 09, 2021, 04:52:12 PM
You're right, Peter hasn't been sighted lately... :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2021, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on June 09, 2021, 04:47:27 PM
Does anyone know anything about pjme?

Good question. I haven't seen him post in quite some time. Hopefully, he's okay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: pjme on June 10, 2021, 06:36:00 AM
Hi, I'm okay. I just have/had enough of "everything" for a while.
I'll be back, sooner or later.

Peter
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 10, 2021, 06:58:41 AM
Quote from: pjme on June 10, 2021, 06:36:00 AM
Hi, I'm okay. I just have/had enough of "everything" for a while.
I'll be back, sooner or later.

Peter

That's certainly understandable. See you when you return, Peter!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 10, 2021, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: pjme on June 10, 2021, 06:36:00 AM
Hi, I'm okay. I just have/had enough of "everything" for a while.
I'll be back, sooner or later.

Peter
I hope so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on July 03, 2021, 11:24:59 PM
Anyone heard from Gurn? He hasn't posted since April as far as I can tell (but he seems to log on regularly).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 04, 2021, 12:19:54 AM
Just to say that I am missing Christo (Johan) of this forum. I have been in touch with him and hope that he makes good progress with his medical treatment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 04, 2021, 06:52:13 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 04, 2021, 12:19:54 AM
Just to say that I am missing Christo (Johan) of this forum. I have been in touch with him and hope that he makes good progress with his medical treatment.

+ 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 04, 2021, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: ritter on July 03, 2021, 11:24:59 PM
Anyone heard from Gurn? He hasn't posted since April as far as I can tell (but he seems to log on regularly).

Heard from him via Twitter recently, Rafael.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on July 04, 2021, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 04, 2021, 09:07:03 AM
Heard from him via Twitter recently, Rafael.
Thanks, good to know. I hope he's fine.

BTW, I haven't forgotten your recent message, Karl. Will revert to you soon. Thanks for that.

Regards,

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on July 04, 2021, 06:36:13 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 04, 2021, 09:07:03 AM
Heard from him via Twitter recently, Rafael.

In fact he tweeted his LvB Ninth of the Week today: Fricsay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 04, 2021, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: ritter on July 04, 2021, 09:18:41 AM
Thanks, good to know. I hope he's fine.

BTW, I haven't forgotten your recent message, Karl. Will revert to you soon. Thanks for that.

Regards,



Be at ease, friend!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: ritter on July 04, 2021, 09:18:41 AM
Thanks, good to know. I hope he's fine.

BTW, I haven't forgotten your recent message, Karl. Will revert to you soon. Thanks for that.

Regards,

Thanks for asking about me, Rafael, as Karl & Jeffrey noted, I am doing well, just been really busy lately working on some of my art, and to tell you the truth, I haven't really had a whole lot to say lately, which (unlike some others) resulted in my being quieter than usual. I do still check in daily looking for malfeasance, but otherwise not a lot else. I'm sure that once this rush of orders gets satisfied, and I get back to serious listening, a rush of words will follow.  :)

Cheers,
GB  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 07, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 09:51:47 AM
Thanks for asking about me, Rafael, as Karl & Jeffrey noted, I am doing well, just been really busy lately working on some of my art, and to tell you the truth, I haven't really had a whole lot to say lately, which (unlike some others) resulted in my being quieter than usual. I do still check in daily looking for malfeasance, but otherwise not a lot else. I'm sure that once this rush of orders gets satisfied, and I get back to serious listening, a rush of words will follow.  :)

Cheers,
GB  8)

Great to hear from you again  8) :)

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 07, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 09:51:47 AM
Thanks for asking about me, Rafael, as Karl & Jeffrey noted, I am doing well, just been really busy lately working on some of my art, and to tell you the truth, I haven't really had a whole lot to say lately, which (unlike some others) resulted in my being quieter than usual. I do still check in daily looking for malfeasance, but otherwise not a lot else. I'm sure that once this rush of orders gets satisfied, and I get back to serious listening, a rush of words will follow.  :)

Cheers,
GB  8)

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 07, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Great to hear from you again  8) :)

Sarge

Back at'cha, Sarge. It was nice to see you show up more frequently here lately. :)

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 07, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
(* chortle *)

You know I put that in there just for your amusement, yes?  :D

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on July 07, 2021, 10:19:03 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 09:51:47 AM
Thanks for asking about me, Rafael, as Karl & Jeffrey noted, I am doing well, just been really busy lately working on some of my art, and to tell you the truth, I haven't really had a whole lot to say lately, which (unlike some others) resulted in my being quieter than usual. I do still check in daily looking for malfeasance, but otherwise not a lot else. I'm sure that once this rush of orders gets satisfied, and I get back to serious listening, a rush of words will follow.  :)

Cheers,
GB  8)
Good to know you're doing well and busy with your art, Gurn. Best of luck with that!  :)

Regards,

Rafael
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 07, 2021, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 10:18:34 AM
Back at'cha, Sarge. It was nice to see you show up more frequently here lately. :)

You know I put that in there just for your amusement, yes?  :D

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I was sure of it!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: ritter on July 07, 2021, 10:19:03 AM
Good to know you're doing well and busy with your art, Gurn. Best of luck with that!  :)

Regards,

Rafael

Thanks, mi amigo. Estoy un trenzador, a little known fact outside my gaucho friends. :)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 07, 2021, 10:56:41 AM
Any art show coming up, Mike ?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 12:04:06 PM
Quote from: André on July 07, 2021, 10:56:41 AM
Any art show coming up, Mike ?

No, we are doing rodeos now, the last couple have been very successful, it seems we have found a niche. Big one coming up in early August, and the last one wiped out our inventory. The art show crowd could never get past 'oh, that's beautiful' far enough to pull out their wallets. The rodeo people are 'I'll take 2 of those and 3 of those there'. Gotta love that. :)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 07, 2021, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 12:04:06 PM
No, we are doing rodeos now, the last couple have been very successful, it seems we have found a niche. Big one coming up in early August, and the last one wiped out our inventory. The art show crowd could never get past 'oh, that's beautiful' far enough to pull out their wallets. The rodeo people are 'I'll take 2 of those and 3 of those there'. Gotta love that. :)

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Excellent!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on July 07, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 12:04:06 PM
No, we are doing rodeos now, the last couple have been very successful, it seems we have found a niche. Big one coming up in early August, and the last one wiped out our inventory. The art show crowd could never get past 'oh, that's beautiful' far enough to pull out their wallets. The rodeo people are 'I'll take 2 of those and 3 of those there'. Gotta love that. :)

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Do you have a website where you show off your wares?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 04:47:20 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on July 07, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
Do you have a website where you show off your wares?

Sadly, no. It's in the offing though. I want to get it done right the first time since I figure if not, someone won't come back. So possibly pretty soon. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 07, 2021, 05:16:12 PM
Keep us posted, then !  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on July 08, 2021, 07:11:28 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 07, 2021, 12:04:06 PM
No, we are doing rodeos now, the last couple have been very successful, it seems we have found a niche. Big one coming up in early August, and the last one wiped out our inventory. The art show crowd could never get past 'oh, that's beautiful' far enough to pull out their wallets. The rodeo people are 'I'll take 2 of those and 3 of those there'. Gotta love that. :)

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What kind of art do you do Mike?

And I'm glad that you're doing well at the rodeos!  Only ever been to one of those before (as a kid).  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 08, 2021, 07:20:44 AM
This reminds me of a painter I knew who specialized in paintings of motorcycles, because she could go to Harley rallies/outings in small towns and people would buy up every painting she brought. They loved having good paintings of their bikes. She said they'd just strap 'em right on the back and ride home with them.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 08, 2021, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on July 08, 2021, 07:11:28 AM
What kind of art do you do Mike?

And I'm glad that you're doing well at the rodeos!  Only ever been to one of those before (as a kid).  :)

PD

Hey,. PD,

My wife carves and paints leather pictures, and we frame them up in unusual ways, with the hangers made from braided leather. She makes lots of little carved leather earrings and doo-dads that people who can't afford a picture buy up by the handful. I braid leather horse and dog accessories, hatbands, bracelets, key leashes, all in Argentinian style with various knots and braided buttons. It's a dying art form, but still surprisingly vital in parts of the world where horse and cattle raising are still dominant. Braiding is an amazingly relaxing, yet highly challenging occupation.  🤠

😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 08, 2021, 08:22:19 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 08, 2021, 07:20:44 AM
This reminds me of a painter I knew who specialized in paintings of motorcycles, because she could go to Harley rallies/outings in small towns and people would buy up every painting she brought. They loved having good paintings of their bikes. She said they'd just strap 'em right on the back and ride home with them.

Niches are especially nice when they match your own interests!  We did do all sorts of pictures, but if Western art sells, then that's what we'll do! 😊🤠

😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on July 08, 2021, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 08, 2021, 08:18:40 AM
Hey,. PD,

My wife carves and paints leather pictures, and we frame them up in unusual ways, with the hangers made from braided leather. She makes lots of little carved leather earrings and doo-dads that people who can't afford a picture buy up by the handful. I braid leather horse and dog accessories, hatbands, bracelets, key leashes, all in Argentinian style with various knots and braided buttons. It's a dying art form, but still surprisingly vital in parts of the world where horse and cattle raising are still dominant. Braiding is an amazingly relaxing, yet highly challenging occupation.  🤠

😎
Neat!   :) Have you ever tried belts or handbags?  I googled something like Argentina braided leather and found all kinds of beautiful looking things.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on July 08, 2021, 11:53:32 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on July 08, 2021, 08:55:09 AM
Neat!   :) Have you ever tried belts or handbags?  I googled something like Argentina braided leather and found all kinds of beautiful looking things.

PD

I do belts sometimes, but really, I hate working in what we call "flat leather"; knife sheaths, holsters and the like. There are still places in the world where the art is popular, most are in South America (Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Uruguay are tops, in that order), but possibly surprisingly, perhaps, Australia is really quite big, and of course, Texas and California, but Oregon sneaks in there too. Each region has its own style, but I prefer Argentina above all. :)

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 08, 2021, 08:06:46 PM
Well, I've now reached 55,555 posts! How about that ladies and gentlemen? This is cause for a toast! [Grabs glass with sweet iced tea.] Cheers! :D

Yours truly,


The Textbook Narcissist
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on July 08, 2021, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 08, 2021, 08:06:46 PM
Well, I've now reached 55,555 posts! How about that ladies and gentlemen? This is cause for a toast! [Grabs glass with sweet iced tea.] Cheers! :D

Yours truly,


The Textbook Narcissist

I googled it - good luck. :P

55555 indicates that a drastic change is soon about to hit your life and that you have to be ready to not just face it, but embrace it as well.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 09, 2021, 05:55:32 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on July 08, 2021, 09:43:34 PM
I googled it - good luck. :P

55555 indicates that a drastic change is soon about to hit your life and that you have to be ready to not just face it, but embrace it as well.

Well, I'm past 55,555 now. ;) Hopefully, the curse is lifted. :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 09, 2021, 06:02:16 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 09, 2021, 05:55:32 AM
Well, I'm past 55,555 now. ;) Hopefully, the curse is lifted. :P

Nobody expected you to stay on a plateau, John !  :D Keep 'em coming !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 09, 2021, 06:08:34 AM
Quote from: André on July 09, 2021, 06:02:16 AM
Nobody expected you to stay on a plateau, John !  :D Keep 'em coming !

Hah! Thanks, Andre! 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 09, 2021, 06:21:18 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 09, 2021, 05:55:32 AM
Well, I'm past 55,555 now. ;) Hopefully, the curse is lifted. :P
You need to be more worried about the 66,666 ones, based on the Omen film  >:D
;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 09, 2021, 06:32:31 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 09, 2021, 06:21:18 AM
You need to be more worried about the 66,666 ones, based on the Omen film  >:D
;D

:P Well, I'll at least have Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack ready for when I land on that number. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 09, 2021, 07:16:26 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 09, 2021, 06:32:31 AM
:P Well, I'll at least have Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack ready for when I land on that number. ;D
Haha - well, I reckon that the opening titles of 'Damien: Omen 2' (also Goldsmith) is even better, especially in its use of the Jew's Harp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZmixJmXSyc
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on July 09, 2021, 07:18:32 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 09, 2021, 07:16:26 AM
Haha - well, I reckon that the opening titles of 'Damien: Omen 2' (also Goldsmith) is even better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZmixJmXSyc

I don't have the soundtrack to the sequel but do highly enjoy the original. I've seen the sequel several times and do agree that the music seems fantastic.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 09, 2021, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 09, 2021, 07:16:26 AM
Haha - well, I reckon that the opening titles of 'Damien: Omen 2' (also Goldsmith) is even better, especially in its use of the Jew's Harp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZmixJmXSyc

Yes, Goldsmith's scores for both films are first-rate.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on July 15, 2021, 03:11:23 AM
I hope the Sarge is safe from the flooding reported in Germany. My vague idea of where Sergeant Rock lives suggests it may be near the affected areas.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 15, 2021, 05:02:27 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on July 15, 2021, 03:11:23 AM
I hope the Sarge is safe from the flooding reported in Germany. My vague idea of where Sergeant Rock lives suggests it may be near the affected areas.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on July 15, 2021, 05:29:25 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 15, 2021, 05:02:27 AM
+1
+2  Just heard over the radio today about the flooding in Germany; looking briefly at the BBC website, I see that there has also been flooding in Belgium and the Netherlands.  :(

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 15, 2021, 10:11:22 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on July 15, 2021, 05:29:25 AM
+2  Just heard over the radio today about the flooding in Germany; looking briefly at the BBC website, I see that there has also been flooding in Belgium and the Netherlands.  :(

PD
Yes, it's terrible.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 15, 2021, 11:26:19 AM
I watched the belgian tv news show today (special floods broadcast). The area around and east of Liège is a disaster scene. I know most of these places very well. My wife studied in Spa (watch the YT video around the 3:30mark)

There are many casualties in Germany and Belgium.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oATseW_hbs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oATseW_hbs)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 15, 2021, 02:46:17 PM
I was about to inquire about Andrei (Florestan) but thought to check his profile first, and see that he was active earlier.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 15, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
Sarge and I once conversed about his particular town (I was visiting the Alsace and inquiring whether we could meet - it wasn't practical unfortunately) and I've just looked it up on official German government websites. He is very near the Rhine but the Rhine in his town has risen only 1 meter so far, not enough to cause serious danger, hopefully. Hope that he is safe and continues to be.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on July 16, 2021, 01:59:14 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 15, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
Sarge and I once conversed about his particular town (I was visiting the Alsace and inquiring whether we could meet - it wasn't practical unfortunately) and I've just looked it up on official German government websites. He is very near the Rhine but the Rhine in his town has risen only 1 meter so far, not enough to cause serious danger, hopefully. Hope that he is safe and continues to be.
Oh good!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on July 16, 2021, 04:29:21 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 15, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
Sarge and I once conversed about his particular town (I was visiting the Alsace and inquiring whether we could meet - it wasn't practical unfortunately) and I've just looked it up on official German government websites. He is very near the Rhine but the Rhine in his town has risen only 1 meter so far, not enough to cause serious danger, hopefully. Hope that he is safe and continues to be.

That's somewhat reassuring, but let's hope The Sarge checks in soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
We're okay. There is a very large wall next to our village and a wide flood plain on the east side of the Rhine. We should be okay. Thanks for your concern.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on July 16, 2021, 06:41:54 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
We're okay. There is a very large wall next to our village and a wide flood plain on the east side of the Rhine. We should be okay. Thanks for your concern.

Sarge

Very relieved to hear you are safe and well, Sarge!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 16, 2021, 06:52:22 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on July 16, 2021, 06:41:54 AM
Very relieved to hear you are safe and well, Sarge!  :)

+ 1 I'd miss the Sarge's bazooka if something were to happen to him. ;) Good to know the bazooka is loaded and ready to go! :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on July 16, 2021, 06:55:28 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 16, 2021, 06:52:22 AM
+ 1 I'd miss the Sarge's bazooka if somewhere were to happen to him. ;) Good to know the bazooka is loaded and ready to go! :D

Indeed! I need to make a comment he doesn't agree with just to see if it is still in good working condition.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 16, 2021, 06:58:26 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
We're okay. There is a very large wall next to our village and a wide flood plain on the east side of the Rhine. We should be okay. Thanks for your concern.

Sarge

+1 Sarge - not sure where you live but just saw the pic below on the news today! Stated Ahr River flooding in the town on Insul, Germany - glad that you have protection - keep safe!  Dave :)
.
(https://media-cdn.wehco.com/img/photos/2021/07/16/198887703_198887703-e91f6393ea2e432a9667f03be02974e9638043721.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 16, 2021, 06:58:53 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
We're okay. There is a very large wall next to our village and a wide flood plain on the east side of the Rhine. We should be okay. Thanks for your concern.

Sarge

Take care, friend!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 16, 2021, 07:00:27 AM
Good to know that Sarge and his family are safe  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on July 16, 2021, 07:06:22 AM
Jo498 is also based in Germany. I see Jo has been online today.

is Jens too ? Jens was last on on the 11th.

Hope they're both well too.

Frightening pictures and destruction indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 07:07:42 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 16, 2021, 06:52:22 AM
+ 1 I'd miss the Sarge's bazooka if somewhere were to happen to him. ;) Good to know the bazooka is loaded and ready to go! :D

Quote from: OrchestralNut on July 16, 2021, 06:55:28 AM
Indeed! I need to make a comment he doesn't agree with just to see if it is still in good working condition.  ;) :D

Yes, the powder remains dry  :D

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on July 16, 2021, 07:35:10 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
We're okay. There is a very large wall next to our village and a wide flood plain on the east side of the Rhine. We should be okay. Thanks for your concern.

Sarge

Good to know you're doing OK, Sarge. 😎


Quote from: Papy Oli on July 16, 2021, 07:06:22 AM
is Jens too ?

No.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 16, 2021, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on July 16, 2021, 06:55:28 AM
Indeed! I need to make a comment he doesn't agree with just to see if it is still in good working condition.  ;) :D

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 07:07:42 AM
Yes, the powder remains dry  :D

Sarge

:P

I love getting the bazooka from the Sarge. Anyone who wants to obliterate me gets a thumbs up in my book. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on July 17, 2021, 03:38:57 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2021, 06:41:00 AM
We're okay. There is a very large wall next to our village and a wide flood plain on the east side of the Rhine. We should be okay. Thanks for your concern.

Sarge

Relieved to hear this!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 17, 2021, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: aligreto on July 16, 2021, 07:00:27 AM
Good to know that Sarge and his family are safe  :)
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 17, 2021, 10:19:32 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 17, 2021, 10:18:04 AM
+1
+2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 17, 2021, 10:39:20 AM
Make that + 3  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on July 17, 2021, 02:20:06 PM
...and +4  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on July 17, 2021, 03:12:43 PM
+5
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 17, 2021, 04:40:02 PM
Thank you all.

Sarge
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 17, 2021, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 17, 2021, 04:40:02 PM
Thank you all.

Sarge

Enormously pleased, Sarge!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on July 18, 2021, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on July 16, 2021, 07:06:22 AM
Jo498 is also based in Germany. I see Jo has been online today.

Frightening pictures and destruction indeed.

Yes, it is horrible, not sure when anything like that happened for the last time. (Maybe Hamburg 1962 (north sea pushing into the Elbe river) or mudslides in the mountains but they are usually on smaller scales, the floodings in the east about 20 years ago where not as bad.)
But it was very local, i.e. restricted to a comparably small reason. There was absolutely no concern where I live, a lot of rain but not extraordinary and no emergencies.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on July 18, 2021, 02:00:17 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on July 18, 2021, 12:36:43 AM
Yes, it is horrible, not sure when anything like that happened for the last time. (Maybe Hamburg 1962 (north sea pushing into the Elbe river) or mudslides in the mountains but they are usually on smaller scales, the floodings in the east about 20 years ago where not as bad.)
But it was very local, i.e. restricted to a comparably small reason. There was absolutely no concern where I live, a lot of rain but not extraordinary and no emergencies.
Oh, good!  *Glad that you are o.k.  Looking at the BBC website today, I see that the flood waters are receding.  I hope that this continues.  Where I live in the States, we've been getting way too much rain this past week+; I hope that this doesn't end up heading your way.

*But so sorry to hear of the loss of life, homes, etc., in Europe due to all of that rain.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on July 18, 2021, 02:14:43 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on July 18, 2021, 12:36:43 AM
There was absolutely no concern where I live, a lot of rain but not extraordinary and no emergencies.

Good to read it, Jo.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 27, 2021, 09:02:17 PM
I don't know where to put this message, but Wanderer has blocked me, but I wanted to send him this:

QuoteHello Wanderer,

I just wanted to tell you that I'm sorry for anything that I've said to you that was negative or just completely unwarranted --- i. e. being an asshole. You're a knowledgeable member and I've learned a lot from you. I value your input even if I'm in disagreement with it. One can learn a lot from you.

All the best to you and yours,



John

I hope he reads this message and even if he doesn't forgive me at least I know, if anything, that he's read it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 13, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
Why the user Klavier deleted his account? Wasn't he feeling good here? Anyone knows?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 13, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on September 13, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
Why the user Klavier deleted his account? Wasn't he feeling good here? Anyone knows?

I haven't the foggiest idea either. I believe he's active on the Steve Hoffman forum so I'll have to ask him there. Members come and go here so quickly that it makes it quite difficult to keep up.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 13, 2021, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
I haven't the foggiest idea either. I believe he's active on the Steve Hoffman forum so I'll have to ask him there. Members come and go here so quickly that it makes it quite difficult to keep up.

Yeah, too regrettable. I hope he'll come back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 13, 2021, 09:22:53 PM
Just realized that Nylon6 is the new Klavier's incarnation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on September 13, 2021, 10:20:26 PM
So he went from a real instrument to a synthesizer?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 14, 2021, 07:08:02 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on September 13, 2021, 09:22:53 PM
Just realized that Nylon6 is the new Klavier's incarnation.

Ah, well I sent him a PM on the Hoffman forum anyway.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 14, 2021, 10:37:37 AM
I just received a message from Klavier via the Hoffman forum and he did in fact delete his account and the member Nylon6 is not him. He said he left because he felt there was too much arguing on this site to warrant any real musical discussion. He's not far from wrong I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 16, 2021, 12:53:49 AM
Depends which bit of the site you venture into, of course...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on September 16, 2021, 02:24:56 AM
I never understood members complaining about discussions here. If they aren't interested, why seek them out? It is quite easy to focus on the subjects which are the reasons for registering here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 16, 2021, 04:32:21 AM
Quote from: The new erato on September 16, 2021, 02:24:56 AM
I never understoos members complaining about discussions here. If they aren't interested, why seek them out? It is quite easy to focus on the subjects which are the reasons for registering here.

Forsooth.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 16, 2021, 05:48:07 AM
Yeah, in this case, I don't even know where the fighting was taking place.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on September 16, 2021, 06:08:00 AM
Perhaps they were reading old postings?   :(

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on September 16, 2021, 09:12:43 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 16, 2021, 05:48:07 AM
Yeah, in this case, I don't even know where the fighting was taking place.

I didn't understand it myself.  The only argument remember was snow and Sibelius.  Just stay out of politics and the coronavirus and you'll be happy.  This is primarily a music forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 16, 2021, 07:24:54 PM
I honestly believe that the political and COVID threads bring out the worst in members of this forum. Yes, one could ignore those threads, but even if you don't participate in those threads, the point is it happens all the time and is probably happening as I type this right now! I also don't understand how you get into a heated argument with a member on a political thread and turn around and post something praiseworthy to the same member on music thread. I guess I just find the whole contradictory nature of ripping someone to shreds on a political thread and being nice to them on a music thread to be strange.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on September 17, 2021, 03:13:26 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 16, 2021, 07:24:54 PM
I honestly believe that the political and COVID threads bring out the worst in members of this forum. Yes, one could ignore those threads, but even if you don't participate in those threads, the point is it happens all the time and is probably happening as I type this right now! I also don't understand how you get into a heated argument with a member on a political thread and turn around and post something praiseworthy to the same member on music thread. I guess I just find the whole contradictory nature of ripping someone to shreds on a political thread and being nice to them on a music thread to be strange.

This!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 17, 2021, 05:31:58 AM
For some people, arguing is not a personal exercise.

The problem is that for others it very much feels personal. It's difficult having those different personality types in one place.

As for the particular threads... we all know the US Politics thread has a fraught history. I've looked at the Covid-19 thread a couple of times and promptly run away (not least because if I'd stayed I might have said very nasty things to a couple of people that I generally enjoy discussing music with). But the toxicity of those topics is not due to anything particular about this forum, the toxicity is part of the culture (and especially but not exclusively American culture). It's not created here, it spills over here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on September 17, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
The corona subject might be depressing in itself, but the current amount of quarelling on that forum section is certainly very limited, and thus manageable.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on September 17, 2021, 11:00:01 AM
The antivaxxers are probably desd, so nor so strange.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on September 29, 2021, 06:39:32 AM
Welcome back to Klavier!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on September 29, 2021, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on July 16, 2021, 07:35:10 AM
Good to know you're doing OK, Sarge. 😎


No.

All well and alive, thanks very much! Just a tad busy. And a little involvement in the forum doesn't quite do the trick; it's either full-on to be noticed or might-as-well-not-at-all. But I've retreated from CD reviewing, too, for a while, and only today got my first two reviews (not counting little reviews in German for a glossy fluff-magazine) under my belt in months.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on September 29, 2021, 07:16:08 PM
Good to see you again, Jens. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 01, 2021, 10:01:58 AM
I recently discovered that John of Scotland has returned and I am very gratified!

My own absences in the last month I explained once elsewhere, but here are the reasons: by daring to retire on the other side of 70, and buying a "retirement house," and therefore also selling the house where we had been living, I opened up a Soul-Gate through which we entered an Earthly Purgatory with Multiple Whammies descending upon us throughout the last 3 months!   ???

Despite having the retirement house inspected by a professional recommended by the realtor, it turns out that he must have taken massive bribes from the previous owners to overlook all kinds of problems in plumbing, wiring, insulation, and basic architecture, all of which were not obvious to our 70+-year old eyes and not obvious because we did not crawl through the attic and under the floor to look for problems.

Other problems were hidden by the previous owners' furniture and decorations: they also lived like pigs, which again was disguised by all of their clutter.

Let's just say that e.g. when we pulled the stove away from the wall, we nearly had to call the Environmental Protection Agency to warn of the release of assorted toxins!  Literally after 10 + hours of work, we finally had a clean stove and oven! At one point I suggested that we just buy a new stove!

So far, the bill for these unexpected repairs is c. $10,000, with possibly another $25,000 to go!

Despite all of that, the house's price was good enough - and what we profited from our previous house's sale was high enough - that we can handle these repairs and upgrades.


Soon, I will be "editing" my CD collection and offering things for sale e.g. Alois Haba's incredible quarter-tone opera The Mother and Arvo Paert's Miserere CD.

Best Wishes to all!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on October 01, 2021, 10:34:23 AM
Blimey! Congratulations on surviving that and coming out intact! Hope you can now enjoy the fruits of your endeavours.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 01, 2021, 11:01:48 AM
Hear, hear!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 01, 2021, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: Iota on October 01, 2021, 10:34:23 AM
Blimey! Congratulations on surviving that and coming out intact! Hope you can now enjoy the fruits of your endeavours.

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 01, 2021, 11:01:48 AM
Hear, hear!

The enjoyment has come in tiny bits and pieces so far!  8)  But yes, we estimate another two or three weeks of unpacking, organizing, and self-doubt ("WHY did we pack this and bring it up here?  WHY don't we just...say good-bye to it now?"   ;)  ) and things will be back to normal...or as normal as they can be for us!  8)



Quote from: Cato on October 01, 2021, 10:01:58 AM


My own absences in the last month I explained once elsewhere, but here are the reasons: by daring to retire on the other side of 70, and buying a "retirement house," and therefore also selling the house where we had been living, I opened up a Soul-Gate through which we entered an Earthly Purgatory with Multiple Whammies descending upon us throughout the last 3 months!   ???



And for those who do not know what a "whammy" is, it is ancient American slang for a curse or magic spell of evil!   0:)

At the end of this bizarre dance scene in The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T, (Music by Friedrich Hollander), the plumber asks the mad musician Doctor Terwilliger:

"What's the big idea trying to put the whammy on me?!"

8)

https://www.youtube.com/v/fpK3yEVp2T4

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 01, 2021, 01:54:34 PM
Good luck Cato!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 01, 2021, 02:35:12 PM
Sounds like a nightmare Leo and all strength to you and your family.
Do you have any right to comeback on the negligent surveyor?
We have water coming down the wall after it rains - that will not be inexpensive to put right I think.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 01, 2021, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 01, 2021, 02:35:12 PM

Do you have any right to comeback on the negligent surveyor?

We have water coming down the wall after it rains
- that will not be inexpensive to put right I think.


We might look into having a lawyer analyze whether we have a case: I suspect it will be difficult to prove, as we would need a good number of people to swear about similar incompetence.

A waterfall in your own house!  If it had been designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, that would make it valuable!   ;)    "Not inexpensive" sounds like a very polite, very British understatement!   8)


Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 01, 2021, 01:54:34 PM

Good luck Cato!

PD

Many thanks!  We think that the Wheel of Misfortune must eventually stop running us down!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 01, 2021, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: Cato on October 01, 2021, 10:01:58 AM
I recently discovered that John of Scotland has returned and I am very gratified!

My own absences in the last month I explained once elsewhere, but here are the reasons: by daring to retire on the other side of 70, and buying a "retirement house," and therefore also selling the house where we had been living, I opened up a Soul-Gate through which we entered an Earthly Purgatory with Multiple Whammies descending upon us throughout the last 3 months!   ???

Despite having the retirement house inspected by a professional recommended by the realtor, it turns out that he must have taken massive bribes from the previous owners to overlook all kinds of problems in plumbing, wiring, insulation, and basic architecture, all of which were not obvious to our 70+-year old eyes and not obvious because we did not crawl through the attic and under the floor to look for problems.

Other problems were hidden by the previous owners' furniture and decorations: they also lived like pigs, which again was disguised by all of their clutter.

Let's just say that e.g. when we pulled the stove away from the wall, we nearly had to call the Environmental Protection Agency to warn of the release of assorted toxins!  Literally after 10 + hours of work, we finally had a clean stove and oven! At one point I suggested that we just buy a new stove!

So far, the bill for these unexpected repairs is c. $10,000, with possibly another $25,000 to go!

Despite all of that, the house's price was good enough - and what we profited from our previous house's sale was high enough - that we can handle these repairs and upgrades.


Soon, I will be "editing" my CD collection and offering things for sale e.g. Alois Haba's incredible quarter-tone opera The Mother and Arvo Paert's Miserere CD.

Best Wishes to all!

Wowzers! I'm sorry to hear about this, Cato. What a headache and frustrating situation. Hoping better days are ahead for you and your family.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 02, 2021, 04:40:12 AM
Sorry to hear about that Cato.  My neighbor recommended me an excellent home inspector.  The inspector saved me from buying a house like yours where the renovation made it look nice but hid a lot of problems.  He told me that when houses are renovated they usually do everything on the top but neglect the bottom (the crawl space).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 02, 2021, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 01, 2021, 07:11:40 PM
Wowzers! I'm sorry to hear about this, Cato. What a headache and frustrating situation. Hoping better days are ahead for you and your family.


Quote from: DavidW on October 02, 2021, 04:40:12 AM
Sorry to hear about that Cato.  My neighbor recommended me an excellent home inspector.  The inspector saved me from buying a house like yours where the renovation made it look nice but hid a lot of problems.  He told me that when houses are renovated they usually do everything on the top but neglect the bottom (the crawl space).

Thanks for the sympathy!   8)

A few things improved today, e.g. a door which was misfitted and had nearly 1-inch gaps here and there was repaired by our new neighbor, a skillful and creative craftsman!



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 02, 2021, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Cato on October 02, 2021, 11:56:19 AM

Thanks for the sympathy!   8)

A few things improved today, e.g. a door which was misfitted and had nearly 1-inch gaps here and there was repaired by our new neighbor, a skillful and creative craftsman!
How old is your new home Cato?

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 02, 2021, 05:41:08 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 02, 2021, 12:34:46 PM
How old is your new home Cato?

PD

The house is 60 years old: so one expects some things to be awry, but if previous owners had not done stupid things, or had addressed problems properly when they occurred, most of our troubles would not have existed.

Delayed maintenance: it will bite you every time!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on October 02, 2021, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: Cato on October 01, 2021, 10:01:58 AM
I recently discovered that John of Scotland has returned and I am very gratified!

My own absences in the last month I explained once elsewhere, but here are the reasons: by daring to retire on the other side of 70, and buying a "retirement house," and therefore also selling the house where we had been living, I opened up a Soul-Gate through which we entered an Earthly Purgatory with Multiple Whammies descending upon us throughout the last 3 months!   ???

Despite having the retirement house inspected by a professional recommended by the realtor, it turns out that he must have taken massive bribes from the previous owners to overlook all kinds of problems in plumbing, wiring, insulation, and basic architecture, all of which were not obvious to our 70+-year old eyes and not obvious because we did not crawl through the attic and under the floor to look for problems.

Other problems were hidden by the previous owners' furniture and decorations: they also lived like pigs, which again was disguised by all of their clutter.

Let's just say that e.g. when we pulled the stove away from the wall, we nearly had to call the Environmental Protection Agency to warn of the release of assorted toxins!  Literally after 10 + hours of work, we finally had a clean stove and oven! At one point I suggested that we just buy a new stove!

So far, the bill for these unexpected repairs is c. $10,000, with possibly another $25,000 to go!

Despite all of that, the house's price was good enough - and what we profited from our previous house's sale was high enough - that we can handle these repairs and upgrades.


Soon, I will be "editing" my CD collection and offering things for sale e.g. Alois Haba's incredible quarter-tone opera The Mother and Arvo Paert's Miserere CD.

Best Wishes to all!

All the best to ya, sir. Take care!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 03, 2021, 05:59:18 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 02, 2021, 07:49:42 PM

All the best to ya, sir. Take care!


Thank you!  We have had some good luck, in that our wonderful neighbor, the head of maintenance for a small factory in the area, knows all kinds of things about metal-working and carpentry, and offered to fix one of our main problems, a badly framed door with large gaps everywhere, so large they defied the usual solution of weather-stripping.

We paid him, of course, and were happy to do so!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 04, 2021, 01:30:18 PM
Thinking of buying a house.

Now I'm scared...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 04, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
Eventually I will need to sell my current place and buy another condo, so I'll get whammied both coming and going.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 04, 2021, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: JBS on October 04, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
Eventually I will need to sell my current place and buy another condo, so I'll get whammied both coming and going.

Woof!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 04, 2021, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 04, 2021, 04:55:07 PM
Woof!
Originally my mother and I were going to do it together, but along came Hurricane Wilma and the real estate bust. My main motive is not wanting stairs (this unit is a townhouse) so a smaller one level condo will be the goal. But the effort of fixing this place up (it's 40 years old now, and my mother was the original owner) means I will have to wait until I'm retiring, and that's a few years off. (I suppose I could take the As-Is route if I'm willing to take a hit on the selling price.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 05, 2021, 04:37:51 AM
Quote from: Madiel on October 04, 2021, 01:30:18 PM
Thinking of buying a house.

Now I'm scared...

It is a terrible time to buy now.  I got into a bidding war on two different houses (where you end up bidding well over the listing price).  Sellers are also likely to skip you if you have any kind of contingencies (inspections, appraisal) and are likely to refuse any requested repairs.  Prices are double to triple what they were just a few years ago.  And sellers are not bothering to renovate or even make their houses presentable.  My rent was going to increase so much that it was still worth it for me to buy a house now, but if you can help it... don't buy now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 05, 2021, 04:41:43 AM
btw since mortgage forbearance is ending (this is US specific) I would expect the market to start swinging the other way (and not just due to forclosures).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 05, 2021, 05:37:58 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 05, 2021, 04:41:43 AM
btw since mortgage forbearance is ending (this is US specific) I would expect the market to start swinging the other way (and not just due to forclosures).

There are many factors. Mortgage interest rates are at historic lows, so even though purchase prices have increased dramatically people's payments haven't gone up much because of the cheap loans. In addition to pandemic foreclosure protection expiring it seems that interest rates are about to go up (inflation and Fed policy). That would push valuations lower. Someone who purchased now would still be okay, because their mortgage payment would be reasonable, as long as they didn't have to sell and take a loss.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 05, 2021, 05:39:12 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 05, 2021, 04:37:51 AM

It is a terrible time to buy now.  I got into a bidding war on two different houses (where you end up bidding well over the listing price).  Sellers are also likely to skip you if you have any kind of contingencies (inspections, appraisal) and are likely to refuse any requested repairs.  Prices are double to triple what they were just a few years ago.  And sellers are not bothering to renovate or even make their houses presentable.  My rent was going to increase so much that it was still worth it for me to buy a house now, but if you can help it... don't buy now.


We were fortunate in that our previous house was in a "hot " market, but the one we bought was in a much smaller town (c. 40,000 vs. over 1 million) where prices were "cooler."  And we did not need a mortgage: we paid cash.

Yes, people were bidding on our previous house in the first hours, without seeing it in person!  :o   ???    We did in fact clean and repair our house and left it in perfect condition for the new owners.  Unfortunately, the 30-somethings here, whose house we bought, were clueless about cleanliness.

Undoubtedly, a collapse is coming: whether it will be slow or sudden...?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 05, 2021, 09:06:50 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 05, 2021, 05:37:58 AM
Mortgage interest rates are at historic lows, so even though purchase prices have increased dramatically people's payments haven't gone up much because of the cheap loans.

Yes for that reason I have no regrets over my purchase.  The interest rate is phenomenally low.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 05, 2021, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: DavidW on October 05, 2021, 04:37:51 AM
It is a terrible time to buy now.  I got into a bidding war on two different houses (where you end up bidding well over the listing price).  Sellers are also likely to skip you if you have any kind of contingencies (inspections, appraisal) and are likely to refuse any requested repairs.  Prices are double to triple what they were just a few years ago.  And sellers are not bothering to renovate or even make their houses presentable.  My rent was going to increase so much that it was still worth it for me to buy a house now, but if you can help it... don't buy now.

Well the market is different in different places. Though prices here have been shooting up, everything else you're telling me about your corner of the USA isn't terribly relevant to my corner of Australia.

Also the whole way mortgages work here is different, unless the USA actually reformed the process after the GFC.

The house I was particularly interested in on the weekend, the bathroom and laundry had both just been renovated. I inspected it on Saturday. I've just been told it was sold to "family friends" who somehow saw it on the internet on Monday and sorted out a deal on Tuesday. So I'm annoyed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 06, 2021, 04:36:48 AM
Quote from: Madiel on October 05, 2021, 12:54:03 PM
Well the market is different in different places. Though prices here have been shooting up, everything else you're telling me about your corner of the USA isn't terribly relevant to my corner of Australia.

Also the whole way mortgages work here is different, unless the USA actually reformed the process after the GFC.

The house I was particularly interested in on the weekend, the bathroom and laundry had both just been renovated. I inspected it on Saturday. I've just been told it was sold to "family friends" who somehow saw it on the internet on Monday and sorted out a deal on Tuesday. So I'm annoyed.
Wow, that was speedy!  :o

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SurprisedByBeauty on October 06, 2021, 10:40:39 PM
Quote from: Cato on October 01, 2021, 10:01:58 AM

My own absences in the last month I explained once elsewhere, but here are the reasons: by daring to retire on the other side of 70, and buying a "retirement house," and therefore also selling the house where we had been living, I opened up a Soul-Gate through which we entered an Earthly Purgatory with Multiple Whammies descending upon us throughout the last 3 months!   ???...

Best Wishes to all!

Uffda, what a story. (And hilarious dance scene, btw.) We were, we think, a bit luckier. We bought a place from a Christian sect and so far, most things seem in order. Only the very house appears to have very considerable moisture problems which will have to be controlled... but they affect us only indirectly. Most importantly, we now have a cellar that's suitable for wine (if nothing else, since it's also rather moist.) No particular discoveries, yet. Unless one considers the fact that a new kitchen takes about half a year before it can be delivered a discovery.

Hope it will all turn out to the best! Cheers, jfl
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 07, 2021, 05:07:20 AM
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on October 06, 2021, 10:40:39 PM
Uffda, what a story. (And hilarious dance scene, btw.) We were, we think, a bit luckier. We bought a place from a Christian sect and so far, most things seem in order. Only the very house appears to have very considerable moisture problems which will have to be controlled... but they affect us only indirectly. Most importantly, we now have a cellar that's suitable for wine (if nothing else, since it's also rather moist.) No particular discoveries, yet. Unless one considers the fact that a new kitchen takes about half a year before it can be delivered a discovery.

Hope it will all turn out to the best! Cheers, jfl

Thank you!  Yes, and for those who missed it, the "dance scene" is from The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T, a movie well ahead of its time in various ways.  I suspect few people remember Hans Conried today, but he was a marvelous chameleon-comedian, and made a perfect comic villain as the mad pianist, Doctor Terwilliker.

It was the only movie written by children's author Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel).

Anyway, the dance scene from the movie was offered because I had used the word "whammy" earlier:

"And for those who do not know what a "whammy" is, it is ancient American slang for a curse or magic spell of evil!   0:)

At the end of this bizarre dance scene in The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T, (Music by Friedrich Hollander), the plumber asks the mad musician Doctor Terwilliger:

"What's the big idea trying to put the whammy on me?!"

8)

https://www.youtube.com/v/fpK3yEVp2T4
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on October 07, 2021, 11:30:00 AM
Quote from: Cato on October 07, 2021, 05:07:20 AM
Thank you!  Yes, and for those who missed it, the "dance scene" is from The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T, a movie well ahead of its time in various ways.  I suspect few people remember Hans Conried today, but he was a marvelous chameleon-comedian, and made a perfect comic villain as the mad pianist, Doctor Terwilliker.

It was the only movie written by children's author Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel).

Anyway, the dance scene from the movie was offered because I had used the word "whammy" earlier:

"And for those who do not know what a "whammy" is, it is ancient American slang for a curse or magic spell of evil!   0:)

At the end of this bizarre dance scene in The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T, (Music by Friedrich Hollander), the plumber asks the mad musician Doctor Terwilliger:

"What's the big idea trying to put the whammy on me?!"



In the U.S., Hans Conried was well-known during the late 1950s and early 1960s as Uncle Tonoose, Danny Thomas' uncle in the Make Room for Daddy television series,
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 14, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I see the recently returned DavidW has now deleted his account. Disappointing and mysterious.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 14, 2021, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 14, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I see the recently returned DavidW has now deleted his account. Disappointing and mysterious.

Oh yes, that is unexpected.  :'(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 14, 2021, 03:51:12 PM
Expect the unexpected.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 14, 2021, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 14, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I see the recently returned DavidW has now deleted his account. Disappointing and mysterious.

Hopefully not another victim of the politics thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 14, 2021, 04:25:46 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on October 14, 2021, 03:58:49 PM
Hopefully not another victim of the politics thread.

People are so quick to blame the political threads. When I've felt it necessary to withdraw in the past it has been due to rank incivility in the music discussions.

I suspect DavidW didn't want to get sucked in and expend a lot of time and energy here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 14, 2021, 05:03:18 PM
I don't think I've come across any other forum where the habit of deleting accounts (rather than just not posting anymore) is so prevalent.

Or maybe I've just not noticed on other forums. But it's an interesting, ahem, "feature" of GMG that people signal their departure in this way.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 14, 2021, 05:52:55 PM
Quote from: Madiel on October 14, 2021, 05:03:18 PM
I don't think I've come across any other forum where the habit of deleting accounts (rather than just not posting anymore) is so prevalent.

Or maybe I've just not noticed on other forums. But it's an interesting, ahem, "feature" of GMG that people signal their departure in this way.
I've been a regular on 5-6 internet discussion boards and GMG has by far the most self-destructions. Second place was a board which specifically drew a crowd of younger, less socially adjusted, less mentally stable people (won't say anything more) - but again, still in second place.

One board I was on did not allow account deletion except by moderators, so people just, you know, signed out and left.

I've always wondered if account deletion was attributable to some kind of resolution to leave. Like "if I still have an account, I could log in again, so I should delete it to stay away." Like ending your drug habit by flushing the pills down the toilet.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 14, 2021, 06:02:48 PM
Quote from: Szykneij on October 07, 2021, 11:30:00 AM
In the U.S., Hans Conried was well-known during the late 1950s and early 1960s as Uncle Tonoose, Danny Thomas' uncle in the Make Room for Daddy television series,

Yes, the show always got a boost whenever Uncle Tonoose showed up!

(https://viewfromthewing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/snidelywhiplash.jpg)

Not to be forgotten, Hans Conried was the voice of Snidely Whiplash, nemesis of Dudley Do-Right.   :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 14, 2021, 07:51:50 PM
Quote from: Brian on October 14, 2021, 05:52:55 PM
I've always wondered if account deletion was attributable to some kind of resolution to leave. Like "if I still have an account, I could log in again, so I should delete it to stay away." Like ending your drug habit by flushing the pills down the toilet.

Yes I've wondered that too. Although there are plenty of people who still come back (and then identify what their former name was).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 14, 2021, 07:55:05 PM
Damn, I hate to see David leave, but like Madiel mentioned, I don't see the point in deleting your entire account just because you've decided to leave. I've left several times, but never once did I feel the need to delete my account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 16, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2021, 07:55:05 PM
Damn, I hate to see David leave, but like Madiel mentioned, I don't see the point in deleting your entire account just because you've decided to leave. I've left several times, but never once did I feel the need to delete my account.
I agree - to me it seems quite aggressive, especially if done without any explanation, but others may well disagree. Isn't there some modern expression for this - like 'deleting' someone?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on October 16, 2021, 09:10:31 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 14, 2021, 07:55:05 PM
I've left several times, but never once did I feel the need to delete my account.

Well, that because you:
   1: knew you'd come back;
   2: are too lazy...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 16, 2021, 09:28:16 AM
I just asked my wife: 'If someone left my online 'Cat Group' and deleted all their posts, do you think that is aggressive?' She replied 'Yes'.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 16, 2021, 09:37:06 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 16, 2021, 09:28:16 AM
I just asked my wife: 'If someone left my online 'Cat Group' and deleted all their posts, do you think that is aggressive?' She replied 'Yes'.

Deleting your account does not result in the deletion of any posts. I just means you can't log in anymore, you can't receive PMs and members cannot see a list of your posts linked to your member profile.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 16, 2021, 09:53:05 AM
David has been and gone over a dozen times. He has deleted his account every time. I wouldn't read anything into it. I've known him better than I've known almost anyone else here and it is a normal occurrence for him. He'll be back within 2 years...  ;)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 16, 2021, 10:11:55 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 16, 2021, 09:53:05 AM
David has been and gone over a dozen times. He has deleted his account every time. I wouldn't read anything into it. I've known him better than I've known almost anyone else here and it is a normal occurrence for him. He'll be back within 2 years...  ;)..........

Agree w/ Gurn - I've been here since 2007 and 'DavidW' comes and goes - I expect that he'll be back - when?  Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 16, 2021, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 16, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
I agree - to me it seems quite aggressive, especially if done without any explanation, but others may well disagree. Isn't there some modern expression for this - like 'deleting' someone?

I'm not sure, Jeffrey, but it is a bit strange. Ken B left in a similar way without much explanation and, of course, cilgwyn who remains a complete mystery.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 16, 2021, 07:51:42 PM
Quote from: springrite on October 16, 2021, 09:10:31 AM
Well, that because you:
   1: knew you'd come back;
   2: are too lazy...

Hey Paul! Long-time, no see! And yes to both. :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 17, 2021, 12:09:20 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 16, 2021, 09:37:06 AM
Deleting your account does not result in the deletion of any posts. I just means you can't log in anymore, you can't receive PMs and members cannot see a list of your posts linked to your member profile.
Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 26, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
You know, it's been strange seeing Paul (springrite) come back and then just disappear. I hope he's okay. He hasn't posted anything in months with the exception of the reply he made to one of my posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 27, 2021, 12:35:09 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 26, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
You know, it's been strange seeing Paul (springrite) come back and then just disappear. I hope he's okay. He hasn't posted anything in months with the exception of the reply he made to one of my posts in this thread.
Yes, I hope so too John.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 27, 2021, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 26, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
You know, it's been strange seeing Paul (springrite) come back and then just disappear. I hope he's okay. He hasn't posted anything in months with the exception of the reply he made to one of my posts in this thread.

Hasn't he always been a bit intermittent? I have memories of him sometimes referring to life (yes, some people have those apparently).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 27, 2021, 06:44:13 AM
Quote from: Madiel on October 27, 2021, 01:09:10 AM
Hasn't he always been a bit intermittent? I have memories of him sometimes referring to life (yes, some people have those apparently).

Yes, I suppose so, but it's just strange seeing him pop up out of the blue to post to one of my posts and then disappear again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on November 29, 2021, 01:06:52 AM
Does anyone know if Some Guy is OK?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on November 29, 2021, 01:55:06 AM
Quote from: Madiel on October 27, 2021, 01:09:10 AM
Hasn't he always been a bit intermittent? I have memories of him sometimes referring to life (yes, some people have those apparently).

True - and even a possible explanation ... :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on November 29, 2021, 05:23:04 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on November 29, 2021, 01:06:52 AM
Does anyone know if Some Guy is OK?

I've communicated with him outside of GMG. He has expressed the opinion that GMG is not hospitable so I think he has simply lost interest in participating. He deleted his facebook about a year ago because of dissatisfaction with facebook's conduct. He has a web site which he hasn't updated recently. I think he has scaled back his social media participation generally. Travel is a big part of his life so I imagine the pandemic and its travel restrictions has been a big burden for him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on November 29, 2021, 05:40:15 AM
Overall, that's good to hear however, since there was also an issue with health.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on November 29, 2021, 05:41:38 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on November 29, 2021, 05:40:15 AM
That's good to hear, since there was also an issue with health.

I wasn't aware of a health issue. Last I heard from him was a year ago so I don't have any "data" relating to that issue. I also hope he is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 29, 2021, 05:59:47 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on November 29, 2021, 05:41:38 AM
I wasn't aware of a health issue. Last I heard from him was a year ago so I don't have any "data" relating to that issue.

He is under treatment for cancer if I recall correctly. Hopefully everything's alright with him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on November 29, 2021, 06:56:55 AM
Members come and go, but I've learned not to worry about it --- they'll be back or they won't. I've been trying my best to just get on with things recently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: some guy on December 01, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
I am "OK," as far as that goes.

I still have cancer, and also I broke my back recently.

But I am back in Europe and so relatively content. I take my meds and feel fine, as fine as possible.

Thanks for asking! Apparently, I've been lurking just on the off-chance that someone would ask.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on December 01, 2021, 10:11:24 AM
Very good to hear from you, and happy travels/experiences !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 01, 2021, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: some guy on December 01, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
I am "OK," as far as that goes.

I still have cancer, and also I broke my back recently.

But I am back in Europe and so relatively content. I take my meds and feel fine, as fine as possible.

Thanks for asking! Apparently, I've been lurking just on the off-chance that someone would ask.  :)

Feel finer!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on December 01, 2021, 10:30:30 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 01, 2021, 10:15:33 AM
Feel finer!

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on December 01, 2021, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: André on December 01, 2021, 10:30:30 AM
+1
+2!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 01, 2021, 11:02:18 AM
Quote from: some guy on December 01, 2021, 10:08:16 AMThanks for asking! Apparently, I've been lurking just on the off-chance that someone would ask.  :)

Good thing someone did! All the best.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 01, 2021, 11:04:12 AM
Quote from: some guy on December 01, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
I am "OK," as far as that goes.

I still have cancer, and also I broke my back recently.

But I am back in Europe and so relatively content. I take my meds and feel fine, as fine as possible.

Thanks for asking! Apparently, I've been lurking just on the off-chance that someone would ask.  :)

It's nice hearing from you again, some guy. I'm truly sorry to hear what has transpired these past few years. I wish you a great recovery and that you're able to get on with your life and enjoy it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on December 01, 2021, 06:59:47 PM
Quote from: some guy on December 01, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
I am "OK," as far as that goes.

I still have cancer, and also I broke my back recently.

But I am back in Europe and so relatively content. I take my meds and feel fine, as fine as possible.

Thanks for asking! Apparently, I've been lurking just on the off-chance that someone would ask.  :)

One of the few things I miss from the other forum and one of the many things I miss from the time when I was listening to contemporary classical intensively was that it meant we would cross paths.

I'm very glad you checked in here, even under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 01, 2021, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 01, 2021, 11:04:12 AM
It's nice hearing from you again, some guy. I'm truly sorry to hear what has transpired these past few years. I wish you a great recovery and that you're able to get on with your life and enjoy it.
My thoughts too - all strength to you Some Guy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 01, 2021, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 01, 2021, 11:04:12 AM
It's nice hearing from you again, some guy. I'm truly sorry to hear what has transpired these past few years. I wish you a great recovery and that you're able to get on with your life and enjoy it.

+ 2.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: some guy on December 02, 2021, 03:28:22 AM
You guys!

You're making me feel all warm and fuzzy.

(How DARE you!!)

But seriously, yes. Yes to everything everyone's said. Vastly appreciated.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on December 02, 2021, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: some guy on December 01, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
I am "OK," as far as that goes.

I still have cancer...

But I am back in Europe and so relatively content. I take my meds and feel fine, as fine as possible.

I know how you feel, yes as far as it goes says all.
Send you my best wishes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on December 03, 2021, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: some guy on December 01, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
I am "OK," as far as that goes.

I still have cancer, and also I broke my back recently.

But I am back in Europe and so relatively content. I take my meds and feel fine, as fine as possible.

Thanks for asking! Apparently, I've been lurking just on the off-chance that someone would ask.  :)

Well, excellent that you're still here, not so excellent that you're ill. I thought of you after listening to a quartet by Roger Reynolds - it was your recommendation of The Serpent Snapping Eye which turned me on to his music.

You know Alvin Lucier died a couple of days ago . . . ?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: some guy on December 03, 2021, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 03, 2021, 09:41:01 AM

You know Alvin Lucier died a couple of days ago . . . ?
Yes. Very sad news.

I met him many years ago. 20 I'm guessing. He was sick at the time. But he pulled out another 20 years, so....

I understand the whole falling thing, how dangerous that can be. That's how I broke my back, by tripping on some steps. Brick steps, of course.

Glad you got hooked on Reynolds. I just recently listened through all my Reynolds discs (as sound files--I own no discs any more) and was very taken by how good it all was. Really lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ganondorf on December 03, 2021, 11:46:19 AM
My best wishes to you, some guy! Sorry to hear about all that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on December 03, 2021, 06:20:39 PM
Take care, the authentic some guy. My best wishes for you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on December 04, 2021, 06:14:54 AM
That sounds incredibly challenging, some guy, my sympathies. I admire your philosophical response.

I followed up the mention of Roger Reynolds and have been very taken by my first hearing of FLIGHT with the Jack Quartet, so thanks very much for that too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Daverz on December 10, 2021, 09:16:45 PM
Sad news, I just read on RMCR that Michael Schaeffer (he was M Forever here) died back in November.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/oApPWHrBToE
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on December 11, 2021, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: Daverz on December 10, 2021, 09:16:45 PM
Sad news, I just read on RMCR that Michael Schaeffer (he was M Forever here) died back in November.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/oApPWHrBToE

Sad news indeed, he must have been in his 50s?

http://www.film-tech.com/vbb/forum/film-yak/15393-michael-schaffer?fbclid=IwAR3xaSlEuuyaC3-S3LVeYlorrtYUM-tzC3m-ab_o6iNTbKJVOkuWTUp86Pg
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 11, 2021, 12:59:43 AM
It's been so many years since M forever participated.

I searched for an M forever post using google and this is the first one it showed me:

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=7873.80

Appropriate. Isn't the internet grand?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 11, 2021, 01:44:26 AM
What a sad news!... May God rest him in peace.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on December 11, 2021, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: Que on December 11, 2021, 12:01:09 AM
Sad news indeed, he must have been in his 50s?

http://www.film-tech.com/vbb/forum/film-yak/15393-michael-schaffer?fbclid=IwAR3xaSlEuuyaC3-S3LVeYlorrtYUM-tzC3m-ab_o6iNTbKJVOkuWTUp86Pg

He would have turned 53 in december...

https://www.lehmanreen.com/obituary/Michael-Schaffer
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 11, 2021, 06:04:57 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 11, 2021, 12:59:43 AM
It's been so many years since M forever participated.

I searched for an M forever post using google and this is the first one it showed me:

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=7873.80

Appropriate. Isn't the internet grand?

Very appropriate indeed!  I saw about Michael's passing in a Facebook group I'm in. Those people apparently only knew him in a RCMR group he went to which was, of course, unmoderated. Over the years since we were forced to turn him out from here, I have read many posts about how he was cruelly treated here and is so missed. But we got literally hundreds of complaints and PM's about him which even the senders seem to have forgotten. Personally, I was quite upset to be put into the position of pulling the trigger on him, despite his total asshole personality, since he was one of the most knowledgeable members we had, and frankly, some of the things he said just needed to be said, and I wasn't in a position to say them myself. But I had dozens of private talks with him strictly about music, and I came away that much wiser for it.  So, there's today's moment of truth.  🧐

🤠😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on December 11, 2021, 06:23:03 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 11, 2021, 06:04:57 AM
Very appropriate indeed!  I saw about Michael's passing in a Facebook group I'm in. Those people apparently only knew him in a RCMR group he went to which was, of course, unmoderated. Over the years since we were forced to turn him out from here, I have read many posts about how he was cruelly treated here and is so missed. But we got literally hundreds of complaints and PM's about him which even the senders seem to have forgotten. Personally, I was quite upset to be put into the position of pulling the trigger on him, despite his total asshole personality, since he was one of the most knowledgeable members we had, and frankly, some of the things he said just needed to be said, and I wasn't in a position to say them myself. But I had dozens of private talks with him strictly about music, and I came away that much wiser for it.  So, there's today's moment of truth.  🧐

🤠😎

What Gurn said.

An incredibly knowledgeable guy, but didn't suffer fools lightly (and when he was here, there were a few). Wish his abrasive persona could have been applied elsewhere, but yes, in terms of musical background and analysis, quite a force. Sad to see, too, that in recent years he had found a girlfriend, who might have mellowed him somewhat.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on December 11, 2021, 06:27:05 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 11, 2021, 06:04:57 AM
Very appropriate indeed!  I saw about Michael's passing in a Facebook group I'm in. Those people apparently only knew him in a RCMR group he went to which was, of course, unmoderated. Over the years since we were forced to turn him out from here, I have read many posts about how he was cruelly treated here and is so missed. But we got literally hundreds of complaints and PM's about him which even the senders seem to have forgotten. Personally, I was quite upset to be put into the position of pulling the trigger on him, despite his total asshole personality, since he was one of the most knowledgeable members we had, and frankly, some of the things he said just needed to be said, and I wasn't in a position to say them myself. But I had dozens of private talks with him strictly about music, and I came away that much wiser for it.  So, there's today's moment of truth.  🧐

🤠😎

Good, I think at least an explanation regarding that sample was needed, for those not knowing anything, like myself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 11, 2021, 06:56:04 AM
Quote from: Daverz on December 10, 2021, 09:16:45 PM
Sad news, I just read on RMCR that Michael Schaeffer (he was M Forever here) died back in November.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/oApPWHrBToE

That is sad. We once had a cup of tea by my office (where the office was then) and ran into one another once or twice at the MFA, as the firm he worked for was working on the sound system in an auditorium.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 11, 2021, 07:00:03 AM
Quote from: Brewski on December 11, 2021, 06:23:03 AM
What Gurn said.

An incredibly knowledgeable guy, but didn't suffer fools lightly (and when he was here, there were a few).

Witness the exchange with Eric Anderson which spotted horses found 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 11, 2021, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on December 11, 2021, 06:27:05 AM
Good, I think at least an explanation regarding that sample was needed, for those not knowing anything, like myself.

Quite so, it helps to know who/what people are talking about. That clip that SH found was rather mild, many of the worse ones had been deleted. If I can say one thing in retrospect about Michael: he was no diplomat! :-\

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 11, 2021, 10:06:40 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 11, 2021, 10:04:10 AM
Quite so, it helps to know who/what people are talking about. That clip that SH found was rather mild, many of the worse ones had been deleted. If I can say one thing in retrospect about Michael: he was no diplomat! :-\

8)

Nobody's perfect 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Jo498 on December 11, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
Yes, I knew (not personally) Michael from several different fora, including one German language one and he usually managed to be unnecessarily abrasive, get into lengthy arguments and sometimes got banned. But he certainly knew a lot about music.

r.i.p.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 11, 2021, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on December 11, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
Yes, I knew (not personally) Michael from several different fora, including one German language one and he usually managed to be unnecessarily abrasive, get into lengthy arguments and sometimes got banned. But he certainly knew a lot about music.

r.i.p.

I had heard that about him getting banned frequently. He lasted here close to 5 years, which speaks to the level of tolerance here I think.

Not just knew a lot, but explained it well enough to help many people, myself included, form or modify some tastes. It was a sad dichotomy of traits... :-\

R.I.P., indeed.

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 11, 2021, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Brewski on December 11, 2021, 06:23:03 AM
What Gurn said.

An incredibly knowledgeable guy, but didn't suffer fools lightly (and when he was here, there were a few)...

It wasn't so much that he didn't suffer fools gladly, but that almost everyone that didn't accept his point of view was a fool. I remember at one point he agreed with me and I briefly felt as though blessed by god, then I thought, "hold on, who appointed him god?" He did, obviously.

I get the feeling that he was more amiable in real life than on internet fora. Always sad to hear of the passing of a person in the prime of life.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 13, 2021, 05:40:12 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 11, 2021, 02:24:10 PM
It wasn't so much that he didn't suffer fools gladly, but that almost everyone that didn't accept his point of view was a fool. I remember at one point he agreed with me and I briefly felt as though blessed by god, then I thought, "hold on, who appointed him god?" He did, obviously.

I get the feeling that he was more amiable in real life than on internet fora. Always sad to hear of the passing of a person in the prime of life.

I echo your sentiments on all aspects of your post.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 14, 2021, 09:28:03 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 11, 2021, 02:24:10 PM
It wasn't so much that he didn't suffer fools gladly, but that almost everyone that didn't accept his point of view was a fool. I remember at one point he agreed with me and I briefly felt as though blessed by god, then I thought, "hold on, who appointed him god?" He did, obviously.

I get the feeling that he was more amiable in real life than on internet fora. Always sad to hear of the passing of a person in the prime of life.
Did he have a shark avatar or was that someone else?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 14, 2021, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on December 14, 2021, 09:28:03 AM
Did he have a shark avatar or was that someone else?

No, you're right.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on December 14, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
I don't recall the shark, but he did have fearsome teeth.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 14, 2021, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: André on December 14, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
I don't recall the shark, but he did have fearsome teeth.

André LOL!  :laugh:  Sorry that he passed at such a young age (now that I'm in my 70s) - I remember a few exchanges w/ him that never became hostile, but also many w/ others that were vituperative to say the least.  Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on December 15, 2021, 04:22:43 AM
Quote from: André on December 14, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
I don't recall the shark, but he did have fearsome teeth.
;D

I know that he could be very difficult but I am sorry to hear the news of his passing
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on December 15, 2021, 06:16:04 AM
I'm very sorry about his passing of course. At one point we exchanged emails and disc recommendations, and he was very courteous. But then he went on one of his abusive phases and I called him out on that, which pissed him  :-X.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 15, 2021, 06:20:44 AM
M forever was a member who I sincerely wished could have had the self-possession to follow the forum rules, because his contribution was otherwise extremely interesting, some of the most valuable content posted to the board. Snyprr (?) was another.

And members who I wish could up their game enough to get banned, that's another catagory.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 15, 2021, 06:22:58 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 15, 2021, 06:20:44 AM
M forever was a member who I sincerely wished could have had the self-possession to follow the forum rules, because his contribution was otherwise extremely interesting, some of the most valuable content posted to the board. Snyprr (?) was another.


Was Snyprrr banned? If so I didn't realize that. I thought he had just left on his own accord. I do miss him and his amusing Snyprrrisms.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 15, 2021, 06:38:31 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 15, 2021, 06:22:58 AM
Was Snyprrr banned? If so I didn't realize that. I thought he had just left on his own accord. I do miss him and his amusing Snyprrrisms.  :D

His contribution was quite insightful when he managed to focus his attention on music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on December 15, 2021, 06:42:26 AM
I think it's fair to say that his style became increasingly less focused, besides apparently being attracted by the very obvious magnetism of the Trump train.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 15, 2021, 06:58:23 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on December 15, 2021, 06:42:26 AM
I think it's fair to say that his style became increasingly less focused, besides apparently being attracted by the very obvious magnetism of the Trump train.

He had personal failings which made the MAGA-verse his sweet spot.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on December 15, 2021, 08:29:09 AM
I did not realize he was a MAGA-nut.  :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 15, 2021, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 15, 2021, 08:29:09 AM
I did not realize he was a MAGA-nut.  :o

They kind of found one another.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 15, 2021, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 15, 2021, 08:29:09 AM
I did not realize he was a MAGA-nut.  :o

I don't think of him so much as a Trump acolyte. He had a leaning towards conspiracy theory thought patterns before it was fashionable. The Clintons were often a focus.

Google is my friend, it came up with this portion of a thread that snyprr got worked up about. Trigger warning, it will bring back one of the particularly unpleasant epochs in GMG history.

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=24159.4240
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 15, 2021, 10:11:44 AM
Re: M Forever --- De mortuis nihil nisi bene.

I mean, some people are far more peaceful and kind in real life than online. Yours truly is no exception, although I like to think that my own level of aggressiveness and unkindness is much lower than M Forever's has ever been, may God rest him in peace. FWIW, I have never had any conflict with him, although I remember calling him out for his behavior but he never replied.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on December 15, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
I always assumed snyprrrr was dealing with some kind of mental illness.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 15, 2021, 10:15:19 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 15, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
I always assumed snyprrrr was dealing with some kind of mental illness.

That's a good thought. though it remains true that this isn't the place devoted to helping him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 15, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 15, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
I always assumed snyprrrr was dealing with some kind of mental illness.

Yes, and I don't remember any occasion when snyprrr became directly hostile to a member of the forum. Just a lot of unhinged theories involving population groups that could be considered implicitly offensive.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 15, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 15, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
I don't remember any occasion when snyprrr became directly hostile to a member of the forum.

You are absolutely correct. Actually, the exact opposite happened: he was a constant target of scorn, derision and lambasting --- yet he never ever, not once, responded in kind. If this is a sign of mental illness I'll leave to professionals to establish.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on December 15, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
You are absolutely correct. Actually, the exact opposite happened: he was a constant target of scorn, derision and lambasting --- yet he never ever, not once, responded in kind. If this is a sign of mental illness I'll leave to professionals to establish.

I always thought the "wildness" and incoherence were just part of an Internet personality that he acted, and not a reflection of his real personality, whatever that may have been!

I believe he was a fan of Stockhausen and other modern composers of the last century e.g. Martinu and Schnittke.

This exchange came to mind:


Quote from: Cato on March 22, 2009, 04:38:40 AM

Quote from: snyprrr on March 22, 2009, 12:12:07 AM

Did youse guys mention "dude" yet?

My 1905 dictionary define dude as, basically Oscar Wilde...and when i saw that, I was like..."don't call me dude, fag." :o

When did "dude" change from Oscar Wilde to surfer guy?

And how can you convince ANYONE that it matters?  Their (just testing you) they're just going to call you dude anyway.


Quote from: snyprrr on March 22, 2009, 12:16:50 AM

IT'S ALL GOOD

every time I hear this i want to gut punch the person and say, "you're right, I feel so much better now. thank you for enlightening me that it was a GOOD thing i did."

I think this phrase originated at a backyard picnic concerning the FOOD. NOT an excuse for you not to take a stand on anything.

TOODLES!



Many good grumbles there, Snyprr!   8)

"Dudde" is Medieval English for a cloak, and became a slang word for clothes, i.e. "duds."  This is possibly the origin for "dude" in the 19th century, as Easterners wearing "fancy duds" were easily spotted in the West, and were mocked as "duded" (dressed) as inexperienced newcomers.

One source indicates the word is picked up by African-Americans in the early 1900's and stripped of negative connotations, becoming a synonym for "man" or "guy" then.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and the Bill and Ted movies of the 1980's make the term a national tic!   8)


Those sentences above give a good example of the "wildness" of Mr. Snyprr: the second one especially made me wonder what he was writing about, until I suspected that he wanted to make a pun on "DUDE" and "GOOD" despite the lack of a rhyme (outside of Scotland, perhaps  8)  ).  "DUDE" and "FOOD" are closer.

The latter reminds me of a Grumble!




Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on December 15, 2021, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
You are absolutely correct. Actually, the exact opposite happened: he was a constant target of scorn, derision and lambasting --- yet he never ever, not once, responded in kind. If this is a sign of mental illness I'll leave to professionals to establish.

He responded to a large number of people asking him to please stop doing things they felt deeply offensive and trolling by doubling down on whatever trolling got a reaction.

Personally I find this more offensive and disruptive than simply being called an idiot in the heat of some argument, and has no veneer of civility to give points to.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 16, 2021, 01:10:33 AM
Among other things snyprrr was a homophobe, the only blatant one I've encountered on this forum. I'd prefer it if people actually remembered some of his faults rather than trying to excuse them all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 16, 2021, 05:33:29 AM
Quote from: Madiel on December 16, 2021, 01:10:33 AM
Among other things snyprrr was a homophobe, the only blatant one I've encountered on this forum. I'd prefer it if people actually remembered some of his faults rather than trying to excuse them all.

This is welcome advice. Speaking as someone tasked with dealing with this stuff, I find it disconcerting to see the same people who complained (in many cases) now being nostalgic in retrospect. 

🤠😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 16, 2021, 06:06:44 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on December 15, 2021, 07:10:41 PM
He responded to a large number of people asking him to please stop doing things they felt deeply offensive and trolling by doubling down on whatever trolling got a reaction.

Personally I find this more offensive and disruptive than simply being called an idiot in the heat of some argument, and has no veneer of civility to give points to.

Quote from: Madiel on December 16, 2021, 01:10:33 AM
Among other things snyprrr was a homophobe, the only blatant one I've encountered on this forum. I'd prefer it if people actually remembered some of his faults rather than trying to excuse them all.

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 16, 2021, 05:33:29 AM
This is welcome advice. Speaking as someone tasked with dealing with this stuff, I find it disconcerting to see the same people who complained (in many cases) now being nostalgic in retrospect. 

🤠😎

I hope my remarks are not interpreted as indicating I think the removal from snyprrr from the site was unjustified. He incessantly posted views that were unhinged and often offensive. The fact that he did not personally attack individuals doesn't negate that. Again, too bad he couldn't confine his contribution to music-related comments.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 16, 2021, 06:31:53 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 16, 2021, 05:33:29 AM
This is welcome advice. Speaking as someone tasked with dealing with this stuff, I find it disconcerting to see the same people who complained (in many cases) now being nostalgic in retrospect. 

🤠😎

Quote from: SimonNZ on December 15, 2021, 07:10:41 PM
He responded to a large number of people asking him to please stop doing things they felt deeply offensive and trolling by doubling down on whatever trolling got a reaction.

Personally I find this more offensive and disruptive than simply being called an idiot in the heat of some argument, and has no veneer of civility to give points to.

Consequently I find it quite unsavory that a self-styled Christian devotes energies to white-washing this, even though I know this class of behavior should be no surprise in the Trump era.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 16, 2021, 12:43:42 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 16, 2021, 06:06:44 AM
I hope my remarks are not interpreted as indicating I think the removal from snyprrr from the site was unjustified. He incessantly posted views that were unhinged and often offensive. The fact that he did not personally attack individuals doesn't negate that. Again, too bad he couldn't confine his contribution to music-related comments.

They are not being interpreted that way by me, rather, I am particularly sensitive to a trend here in general whenever someone leaves, for whatever reason, to create a cult of personality around them which espouses quite a different reality.  It is most certainly not specific or even generally aimed at you. Of course, when YOU leave, your legend grows until you return with the reality of who you are, which is a rather more balanced person overall.

FWIW, snipper and I were great friends behind the scenes, and I often excoriated him out of public view for his tasteless (being nice here) comments. He was another of those people who couldn't/wouldn't control himself in public while being quite OK in private. :-\

8)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 16, 2021, 01:46:41 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 16, 2021, 12:43:42 PMFWIW, snipper and I were great friends behind the scenes, and I often excoriated him out of public view for his tasteless (being nice here) comments. He was another of those people who couldn't/wouldn't control himself in public while being quite OK in private. :-\

I suppose he styled himself as a performance artist, of sorts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on December 16, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
My feeling is, someone who doesn't steal when people are watching isn't necessarily honest. The person who does the right thing when no one is watching or knows about it is the good person. The same holds true on the internet. Someone who is a jerk when hiding behind an avatar is showing their true colors, regardless of how they act when people are around.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 16, 2021, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Szykneij on December 16, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
My feeling is, someone who doesn't steal when people are watching isn't necessarily honest. The person who does the right thing when no one is watching or knows about it is the good person. The same holds true on the internet. Someone who is a jerk when hiding behind an avatar is showing their true colors, regardless of how they act when people are around.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 16, 2021, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: Szykneij on December 16, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
My feeling is, someone who doesn't steal when people are watching isn't necessarily honest. The person who does the right thing when no one is watching or knows about it is the good person. The same holds true on the internet. Someone who is a jerk when hiding behind an avatar is showing their true colors, regardless of how they act when people are around.

Nice summary Tony - my departed younger brother was like that, i.e. kicked off many forums for being an A**Hole - unfortunately, he was not much better in real life - miss him though (treated me as his older 'doc brother' w/ some respect), although my wife was never a fan -  ::)  8)  Dave
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 16, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 16, 2021, 01:46:41 PM
I suppose he styled himself as a performance artist, of sorts.

Good obs.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 16, 2021, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: Szykneij on December 16, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
My feeling is, someone who doesn't steal when people are watching isn't necessarily honest. The person who does the right thing when no one is watching or knows about it is the good person. The same holds true on the internet. Someone who is a jerk when hiding behind an avatar is showing their true colors, regardless of how they act when people are around.

Character is who you are in the dark. — Lord John Worfin
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on December 16, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: Florestan on December 15, 2021, 10:11:44 AM
I mean, some people are far more peaceful and kind in real life than online. Yours truly is no exception,
Yes, it will probably surprise members of this forum to know that in real life I am considered likeable and charming. The internet tends to exaggerate our personalities and bring out our worst selves—e.g., my real life weaknesses include being considered to have a lot of unused potential and to not be "relationship material", and online these manifest as an inflated sense of intellectual superiority that never really amounts to anything, and a vacillation between insecure attachment to and rejection of others, respectively—which is one reason I've tried to cut back my participation over the years, both here and on social media, and focus more on self-improvement. (The other main reason is running out of hard disk space for new music.)

Similarly I imagine for someone like snyprr there was some weakness in his real life (e.g., I don't recall his job/living situation ever being very secure) that led him towards conspiratorial thinking and disgust with particular out-groups he perceived as taking attention away from his own problems (the gays, the ethnic minorities, the Jews, etc.), and he never had the self-awareness to pull back from online participation.

I don't buy the "what we are in the dark" because I've watched people who spend all their time online develop drastic personality changes, as this exaggeration of one's most unhealthy traits becomes a self-sustaining feedback loop. It's similar to drug or alcohol addiction in some ways (and some scientists, iirc, have made this comparison directly). Keep someone away from the self-destructive impulse for a few months and they'll start to wonder how it was they ever became obsessed with Trump, or seeking validation from strangers, or watching weird pornography, etc. But that's easier said than done.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 16, 2021, 08:08:21 PM
I find you thoroughly likeable online, amw.

And we all like different things anyway.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 16, 2021, 08:27:03 PM
In real life, I'm a horrible person even more so than I am online. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 17, 2021, 02:22:42 AM
Quote from: Madiel on December 16, 2021, 08:08:21 PM
I find you thoroughly likeable online, amw.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on December 17, 2021, 02:34:34 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 16, 2021, 08:27:03 PM
In real life, I'm a horrible person even more so than I am online. :)
Yes, but at least you've got humour and self-irony, man. That's always a quality that helps one survive on internet fora.  ;)

We love you with all your foibles.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 17, 2021, 05:47:41 AM
Quote from: amw on December 16, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Yes, it will probably surprise members of this forum to know that in real life I am considered likeable and charming. The internet tends to exaggerate our personalities and bring out our worst selves—e.g., my real life weaknesses include being considered to have a lot of unused potential and to not be "relationship material", and online these manifest as an inflated sense of intellectual superiority that never really amounts to anything, and a vacillation between insecure attachment to and rejection of others, respectively—which is one reason I've tried to cut back my participation over the years, both here and on social media, and focus more on self-improvement. (The other main reason is running out of hard disk space for new music.)

people who spend all their time online develop drastic personality changes, as this exaggeration of one's most unhealthy traits becomes a self-sustaining feedback loop. It's similar to drug or alcohol addiction in some ways (and some scientists, iirc, have made this comparison directly). Keep someone away from the self-destructive impulse for a few months and they'll start to wonder how it was they ever became obsessed with Trump, or seeking validation from strangers, or watching weird pornography, etc. But that's easier said than done.

Happening all around us, unfortunately.

I still smile to think of snypsss's obsession with soy lecithin, one of his unobjectionable eccentricities.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 17, 2021, 05:58:28 AM
Quote from: The new erato on December 17, 2021, 02:34:34 AM
Yes, but at least you've got humour and self-irony, man. That's always a quality that helps one survive on internet fora.  ;)

We love you with all your foibles.

Thanks, erato. I like you, too, and, well, I even like people here who don't like me (Harry, Wanderer et. al.), because I think, in time, they would like me. It's always the simple case of acceptance, which is something I've craved ever since I was young but seldom received.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: greg on December 17, 2021, 07:37:09 AM
That was an interesting last few pages. But I have no other comment to add.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on December 17, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 16, 2021, 05:33:29 AM
This is welcome advice. Speaking as someone tasked with dealing with this stuff, I find it disconcerting to see the same people who complained (in many cases) now being nostalgic in retrospect. 

🤠😎

Well what's a shame is that you couldn't just stop him posting in threads which weren't musical. 

On the internet, I find myself engaging with types of people who I wouldn't normally rub shoulders with, that's one of its distinctive features.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 17, 2021, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 17, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
Well what's a shame is that you couldn't just stop him posting in threads which weren't musical. 

On the internet, I find myself engaging with types of people who I wouldn't normally rub shoulders with, that's one of its distinctive features.

For the last while he was here, we had to approve anything he posted. Many things didn't get approved so y'all never got to see them. It might be why he decided to leave.   :-\  It shouldn't be that labor-intensive. There are several posters here now who have been asked not to post in certain threads and they have complied with that request very cooperatively. It doesn't work for everyone, sad to say. :(

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Irons on December 29, 2021, 08:41:26 AM
Quote from: greg on December 17, 2021, 07:37:09 AM
That was an interesting last few pages. But I have no other comment to add.  :D

It is. I do have a comment, no not a comment but an observation. Not a particularly flattering one I may add. Social media has never held any interest for me but for the last couple of decades I have been in turn involved with three music related forums of which GMG is the third. It is a fact, which I find quite interesting, that in all three I received the same vibes and interaction. Different folks same strokes. ;D
I don't know, but maybe an online persona is more unvarnished and basic then the multitude of elements that make a real one? Or maybe still, an online and real-life persona are quite different but both are accurate in the sphere they operate in. :-\ 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 29, 2021, 11:40:35 AM
We all have different personas in different parts of our lives in any case, before the internet added a new environment. Each aspect of us is equally real.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 29, 2021, 11:40:35 AM
We all have different personas in different parts of our lives in any case, before the internet added a new environment. Each aspect of us is equally real.

Speak for yourself. I am the same asshole here as I am in real life. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 29, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 12:28:42 PM
Speak for yourself. I am the same asshole here as I am in real life. ;D

Well, we have a prettier way of putting this in China. We'd say you are quite a "chrysanthemum blossom".  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 29, 2021, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: springrite on December 29, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
Well, we have a prettier way of putting this in China. We'd say you are quite a "chrysanthemum blossom".  :D

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: springrite on December 29, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
Well, we have a prettier way of putting this in China. We'd say you are quite a "chrysanthemum blossom".  :D

:D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 29, 2021, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 12:28:42 PM
Speak for yourself. I am the same asshole here as I am in real life. ;D

I'm sure there are subtle differences in how you approach being an asshole in different contexts.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 01:40:53 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 29, 2021, 01:35:17 PM
I'm sure there are subtle differences in how you approach being an asshole in different contexts.  :laugh:

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on December 29, 2021, 01:43:06 PM
There is a huge variety and wide spectrum of chrysanthemum blossoms after all !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 29, 2021, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 12:28:42 PM
Speak for yourself. I am the same asshole here as I am in real life. ;D

Not to speak of you in particular, although I'm sure you would know better than I, but since it was postulated here recently that the opposite might be the case, I have felt that the correct solution for most people is exactly what you described for yourself.

Due to my position here and the subsequent need for decorum, I am an exception to the rule. I am also an asshole in real life. 😁

🤠😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 29, 2021, 05:16:22 PM
Not to speak of you in particular, although I'm sure you would know better than I, but since it was postulated here recently that the opposite might be the case, I have felt that the correct solution for most people is exactly what you described for yourself.

Due to my position here and the subsequent need for decorum, I am an exception to the rule. I am also an asshole in real life. 😁

🤠😎

;D You've always been nice to me, Gurn. When I get into Haydn (which I'm sure will be at some point), you'll be the guy I come to for recommendations. 8) Although, surprisingly, I have more Haydn in my collection than I initially thought.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on December 30, 2021, 08:35:24 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
;D You've always been nice to me, Gurn. When I get into Haydn (which I'm sure will be at some point), you'll be the guy I come to for recommendations. 8) Although, surprisingly, I have more Haydn in my collection than I initially thought.

Truth to tell, that you have any Haydn might be a surprise to some people here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 30, 2021, 08:40:04 AM
Quote from: JBS on December 30, 2021, 08:35:24 AM
Truth to tell, that you have any Haydn might be a surprise to some people here.

Well, yes, more Haydn than John initially thought is probably one CD.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2021, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
;D You've always been nice to me, Gurn. When I get into Haydn (which I'm sure will be at some point), you'll be the guy I come to for recommendations. 8) Although, surprisingly, I have more Haydn in my collection than I initially thought.

Gurn's the Haydn guy for us all. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: greg on December 30, 2021, 09:07:07 AM
Quote from: Irons on December 29, 2021, 08:41:26 AM
I don't know, but maybe an online persona is more unvarnished and basic then the multitude of elements that make a real one?
Yeah, it can be- just because the potential is there. It's kind of like how various people have signatures that are wildly different from their handwriting. Usually real life is more important, more high stakes to others, so publicly they can act like their persona/signature/mask, while the ones either closest to them (since it's hard to keep the mask on 24/7) or furthest from them (in other words, unable to negatively affect them) will see their true handwriting/unmasked character.

An acquisition of power also serves as a test of character. It's all just a matter of how much you are filtering, and to who. If all of a sudden your power dynamics change and you are more powerful than others, good people won't change how they act. It's why observing how someone treats a waiter can be a useful observation- it's a rare glimpse into how a person would treat others if they had power, even if in their life they are mostly powerless in their life.

So that's why it would be hard to say someone like M Forever is a good person. People that feel the need to bring others down have an overattachment to needing to feel admired, but without the means to be able to satisfy their emotional requirements for that- in other words, narcissism/unhealthy enneagram 3's. (i think usually that's caused/exacerbated by overly strict parents, right?)

That's all probably very obvious stuff already, just my thoughts.



edit:
one more small thought... filters aren't necessarily all bad, family and workplace might require PG rating speech, while close friends/online forums can be PG-13 or R rating speech. This is pretty much my only filter.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 30, 2021, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: greg on December 30, 2021, 09:07:07 AM
one more small thought... filters aren't necessarily all bad ....

No, indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 30, 2021, 10:26:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 29, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
;D You've always been nice to me, Gurn. When I get into Haydn (which I'm sure will be at some point), you'll be the guy I come to for recommendations. 8) Although, surprisingly, I have more Haydn in my collection than I initially thought.

Probably I'm what my teachers back in the '60's used to refer to as 'street angel, home devil  >:D '.  I make a point to be as nice as I can to everyone, especially when it is important to try and influence them in some way. I have been places where the Mods actually tried to rule by nastiness, and they were abject failures.  I always said I wouldn't be that way in that position, so it won't do to fail myself. The other mods are fortunate to have me as one of them, or I would be a major headache.  :D :D

Despite the credit wanting to be spread out over a broader area, I have to say that Haydn really was the father of what went on to become Classical & Romantic Era Music. All of the composers that you love would be in the first rank of those proclaiming that. This has been true since relatively early on in his career. So one day you will want to discover more of his music. Most of the devices he invented have been used by others for 250 years since he did that, so they won't sound new to you, but put yourself back in his time period and you will realize you never heard anything remotely like Symphony #45, for example. I know you'll come around one day. :)

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 30, 2021, 08:50:03 AM
Gurn's the Haydn guy for us all. Just sayin'.

I am also pleased that to whatever extent I have influenced at least a few people into discovering Haydn for themselves. It is very gratifying.  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on December 31, 2021, 02:52:10 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 30, 2021, 10:26:20 AM
I am also pleased that to whatever extent I have influenced at least a few people into discovering Haydn for themselves.

It was largely because of you, Gurn, that I embarked some years ago on listening to all the Haydn symphonies. I was looking for different ways of getting exercise on inclement days, and I settled on walking up and down stairs, while listening to a different Haydn symphony each day (portable player placed at top of stairs).

Gosh, it was a lot of stairs. But he kept me going! (And no jokes, please, about Haydn's music being pedestrian.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on December 31, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
Thank you all for your advice and company but I've now found plenty of music I enjoy and know where to look for more. I realise I don't have the musical knowledge to be able to contribute anything useful and in considering my New Year's resolutions have decided to stay off all the Internet forums and focus on paying full attention to and becoming thoroughly absorbed in my various interests rather than merely talking about them. So I wish you all the best for 2022.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on December 31, 2021, 05:16:50 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on December 31, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
Thank you all for your advice and company but I've now found plenty of music I enjoy and know where to look for more. I realise I don't have the musical knowledge to be able to contribute anything useful and in considering my New Year's resolutions have decided to stay off all the Internet forums and focus on paying full attention to and becoming thoroughly absorbed in my various interests rather than merely talking about them. So I wish you all the best for 2022.
I hope that you don't stay away for good from here as I always enjoy reading about what you are listening to; it's helped to expand my world--particularly regarding more contemporary music.  I do understand though your desire to spend more time listening/doing vs. typing however.

Wishing you the best for not just the New Year but for your further explorations and life in general.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 31, 2021, 05:18:12 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on December 31, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
Thank you all for your advice and company but I've now found plenty of music I enjoy and know where to look for more. I realise I don't have the musical knowledge to be able to contribute anything useful and in considering my New Year's resolutions have decided to stay off all the Internet forums and focus on paying full attention to and becoming thoroughly absorbed in my various interests rather than merely talking about them. So I wish you all the best for 2022.

Although I will miss you, I wish I could to the same.  :D

Anyway, I wish you a Happy New Year too and hope that at some point in time you'll come back, if only to say Hello, I'm back.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on December 31, 2021, 06:37:14 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on December 31, 2021, 02:52:10 AM


It was largely because of you, Gurn, that I embarked some years ago on listening to all the Haydn symphonies. I was looking for different ways of getting exercise on inclement days, and I settled on walking up and down stairs, while listening to a different Haydn symphony each day (portable player placed at top of stairs).

Gosh, it was a lot of stairs. But he kept me going! (And no jokes, please, about Haydn's music being pedestrian.)

Well, Haydn is renowned for his 'walking themes'...  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on December 31, 2021, 07:39:41 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on December 31, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
Thank you all for your advice and company but I've now found plenty of music I enjoy and know where to look for more. I realise I don't have the musical knowledge to be able to contribute anything useful and in considering my New Year's resolutions have decided to stay off all the Internet forums and focus on paying full attention to and becoming thoroughly absorbed in my various interests rather than merely talking about them. So I wish you all the best for 2022.

I think that you do yourself an injustice. You have contributed more than you realise.  ;)
Anyway, we respect your decision. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on December 31, 2021, 08:18:31 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on December 31, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
Thank you all for your advice and company but I've now found plenty of music I enjoy and know where to look for more. I realise I don't have the musical knowledge to be able to contribute anything useful and in considering my New Year's resolutions have decided to stay off all the Internet forums and focus on paying full attention to and becoming thoroughly absorbed in my various interests rather than merely talking about them. So I wish you all the best for 2022.

Adding my thanks to those of others, and hope you will pop in now and then. Many of your posts make me smile, like those old DG Avant Garde covers. That said, I completely empathize with finding a better balance between listening -- and reporting on it. In any case, be well, and may your ears be even happier in 2022.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on December 31, 2021, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on December 31, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
Thank you all for your advice and company but I've now found plenty of music I enjoy and know where to look for more. I realise I don't have the musical knowledge to be able to contribute anything useful and in considering my New Year's resolutions have decided to stay off all the Internet forums and focus on paying full attention to and becoming thoroughly absorbed in my various interests rather than merely talking about them. So I wish you all the best for 2022.

Sorry to hear this. Purely selfishly,  of course. Always good to read your posts.

I've been glad to be more involved this year, and have felt that my very obvious ignorance has been slightly reduced as a result.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 31, 2021, 12:05:28 PM
The world shows that knowledge is not a prerequisite for contributions on the internet, but you have more than enough knowledge to make contributions.

All the best wishes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 31, 2021, 12:08:19 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 31, 2021, 12:05:28 PM
The world shows that knowledge is not a prerequisite for contributions on the internet, but you have more than enough knowledge to make contributions.

All the best wishes.

Hear, hear!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 31, 2021, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on December 31, 2021, 02:52:10 AM


It was largely because of you, Gurn, that I embarked some years ago on listening to all the Haydn symphonies. I was looking for different ways of getting exercise on inclement days, and I settled on walking up and down stairs, while listening to a different Haydn symphony each day (portable player placed at top of stairs).

Gosh, it was a lot of stairs. But he kept me going! (And no jokes, please, about Haydn's music being pedestrian.)

I'm really delighted to hear that, ER. To me, Haydn is one of those composers who may need an introduction because he has been treated so poorly since his death, but once you hear the music, he easily carries the day on his own. I take him along on my morning 5 miles most days. Puts a spring in my step. :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on December 31, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: steve ridgway on December 31, 2021, 05:09:37 AM
Thank you all for your advice and company but I've now found plenty of music I enjoy and know where to look for more. I realise I don't have the musical knowledge to be able to contribute anything useful and in considering my New Year's resolutions have decided to stay off all the Internet forums and focus on paying full attention to and becoming thoroughly absorbed in my various interests rather than merely talking about them. So I wish you all the best for 2022.

An hiatus is often a welcome respite, and leads to your returning refreshed in mind and spirit. Despite us not engaging in frequent conversation, I have read many of your posts and know we are losing a valuable member. Please don't let it be forever!  :)

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on February 17, 2022, 08:44:19 AM
Thank you all for your very kind comments. I'm currently reading The Rest Is Noise and exploring avant-garde composers of the early 20th Century. I still want to concentrate on that rather than spend too much time on forums, but was just killing myself laughing at this and knew you'd enjoy it. Maybe I do know a little more than some people. :laugh:

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 17, 2022, 08:49:02 AM
Cheers, Steve!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 19, 2022, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 31, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
An hiatus is often a welcome respite, and leads to your returning refreshed in mind and spirit. Despite us not engaging in frequent conversation, I have read many of your posts and know we are losing a valuable member. Please don't let it be forever!  :)

8)
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on February 19, 2022, 11:27:20 PM
I've been busy on archive.org and have found a lot I like by Ives, Cowell, Ruggles, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Scriabin and a little Stravinsky, Debussy and R Strauss. I'm now getting it all organised for my music player to listen in my preferred way by year of composition. I'd been unlucky with Ives before having started with the Concord Sonata which I'm lukewarm on but am greatly enjoying nearly everything else. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 20, 2022, 07:21:40 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on February 19, 2022, 11:27:20 PM
I've been busy on archive.org and have found a lot I like by Ives, Cowell, Ruggles, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Scriabin and a little Stravinsky, Debussy and R Strauss. I'm now getting it all organised for my music player to listen in my preferred way by year of composition. I'd been unlucky with Ives before having started with the Concord Sonata which I'm lukewarm on but am greatly enjoying nearly everything else. 8)

Welcome back!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 20, 2022, 08:53:16 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on February 19, 2022, 11:27:20 PM
I've been busy on archive.org and have found a lot I like by Ives, Cowell, Ruggles, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Scriabin and a little Stravinsky, Debussy and R Strauss. I'm now getting it all organised for my music player to listen in my preferred way by year of composition. I'd been unlucky with Ives before having started with the Concord Sonata which I'm lukewarm on but am greatly enjoying nearly everything else. 8)

Nice!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 07, 2022, 08:01:06 PM
I haven't seen Vers la flamme in quite some time. I hope he's okay. I know he's in school studying to become an ophthalmologist. Hopefully, it's just school work that is keeping him away.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 08, 2022, 12:02:58 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 07, 2022, 08:01:06 PM
I haven't seen Vers la flamme in quite some time. I hope he's okay. I know he's in school studying to become an ophthalmologist. Hopefully, it's just school work that is keeping him away.

He was online yesterday.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 08, 2022, 07:49:45 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 08, 2022, 12:02:58 AM
He was online yesterday.

He may have been checking in, but I haven't seen a post from him in quite some time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 08, 2022, 08:41:56 AM
Last post was three days ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on April 08, 2022, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 08, 2022, 07:49:45 AM
He may have been checking in, but I haven't seen a post from him in quite some time.

I replied to one of his posts recently on the listening thread.  If you weren't so busy with your endless Takemitsu posts you probably would have noticed! $:) :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on April 08, 2022, 11:50:48 AM
Maybe he's still catching up from that visit to New York.
Or maybe he's too traumatized from it....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 08, 2022, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: DavidW on April 08, 2022, 08:49:10 AM
I replied to one of his posts recently on the listening thread.  If you weren't so busy with your endless Takemitsu posts you probably would have noticed! $:) :D

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 08, 2022, 11:52:34 PM
I miss Johan's (Christo) contributions. Unfortunately he has been quite ill. I notice that he still checks in from time-to-time and I have been in contact with him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 09, 2022, 12:27:32 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2022, 11:52:34 PM
I miss Johan's (Christo) contributions. Unfortunately he has been quite ill. I notice that he still checks in from time-to-time and I have been in contact with him.

Very sorry to hear that. I wish him the best.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2022, 11:52:34 PM
I miss Johan's (Christo) contributions. Unfortunately he has been quite ill. I notice that he still checks in from time-to-time and I have been in contact with him.

Terrible. Johan, if you read this: all the best, take care!


I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 09, 2022, 01:48:55 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2022, 11:52:34 PM
I miss Johan's (Christo) contributions. Unfortunately he has been quite ill. I notice that he still checks in from time-to-time and I have been in contact with him.

I too wish Johan/Christo well and a speedy return to good health.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 09, 2022, 01:51:14 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM

I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....

That is very sad and regrettable news. May he Rest In Peace.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 02:17:53 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
Terrible. Johan, if you read this: all the best, take care!


I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....

I too wondered about his long absence. Terrible news! May God rest him in peace.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on April 09, 2022, 03:40:34 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2022, 11:52:34 PM
I miss Johan's (Christo) contributions. Unfortunately he has been quite ill. I notice that he still checks in from time-to-time and I have been in contact with him.

My best wishes to Johan when you next contact him, Jeffrey.


Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM

I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....


Very sad news indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 03:55:47 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2022, 11:52:34 PM
I miss Johan's (Christo) contributions. Unfortunately he has been quite ill. I notice that he still checks in from time-to-time and I have been in contact with him.

I sent him a congratulatory PM on his birthday but he didn't answer. I hope he's okay. Please send him my best next time you talk to him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 04:45:50 AM
Now that I think of it, there are many members who have been absent for quite a while. In no particular order: Elgarian, ukrneal, Ghost Sonata (aka Zauberdrachen No. 7), Dancing Divertimentian, bwv1058. Also a very nice Chilean guy who went by several usernames, the one I remember otomh being Antoine Marchand (French for Ton Koopman). And an Indian guy from Chennai whose username I can't remember right now. I do hope they are all safe and sound.

And btw, what's going on with North Star (Karlo)? He's apparently lurking here but haven't posted anything for a long while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 09, 2022, 05:04:44 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
Terrible. Johan, if you read this: all the best, take care!


I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....

Oh my ! That's terrible  :(. I tried to contact him a couple of years back - still have him on my email contact list - and never got a reply. I'm so sad to hear that. He made me discover some great composers and interpreters, even sent me a few discs of serbian music. RIP Milos...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 09, 2022, 05:53:47 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 04:45:50 AM
And an Indian guy from Chennai whose username I can't remember right now.

You are likely referring to Navneeth (Opus 106).

He was my very first classical music "friend" I made around 2005 when we were both discovering classical music for the first time. We met on a forum called Beethoven Radio (a Hartford, Connecticut radio station). Which is no longer.

I still think a lot about him and miss him dearly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 09, 2022, 06:02:40 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 09, 2022, 05:53:47 AM
You are likely referring to Navneeth (Opus 106).

He is sometimes active at Symphony Share. Yes, certainly a nice guy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 09, 2022, 06:05:13 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 04:45:50 AM
Also a very nice Chilean guy who went by several usernames, the one I remember otomh being Antoine Marchand (French for Ton Koopman).

His last username was Gordo. As far as I can see, he has deleted all his accounts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 06:18:17 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 09, 2022, 05:53:47 AM
You are likely referring to Navneeth (Opus 106).

Exactly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 06:19:10 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on April 09, 2022, 06:05:13 AM
His last username was Gordo.

Yes, that's him alright.

QuoteAs far as I can see, he has deleted all his accounts.

Oh! Too bad.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on April 09, 2022, 06:52:47 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
Terrible. Johan, if you read this: all the best, take care!


I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....

I had no idea of this happening; like you,  I believed he would randomly return as so often before.  I learned a lot from from Milos, and found him to be a very agreeable person.   :'(

🤠😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 09, 2022, 09:12:25 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
Terrible. Johan, if you read this: all the best, take care!


I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....

Sorry to hear that. I remember a few years ago he re-registered and I was elated, then disappointed that he disappeared again.  He had interesting views to share on various topics.

Would you feel comfortable sharing a link to his Facebook page?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 09, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
Very sorry to hear about Draško.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 09, 2022, 07:33:28 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 04:45:50 AMAnd btw, what's going on with North Star (Karlo)? He's apparently lurking here but haven't posted anything for a long while.

I'm friends with Karlo on Facebook and, honestly, he's not even active there very much. I suppose he's got some kind of life now, which is what I should be doing. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 09, 2022, 09:12:25 AM
Would you feel comfortable sharing a link to his Facebook page?

There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on April 10, 2022, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 04:45:50 AM
Now that I think of it, there are many members who have been absent for quite a while. In no particular order: Elgarian, ukrneal, Ghost Sonata (aka Zauberdrachen No. 7), Dancing Divertimentian, bwv1058. Also a very nice Chilean guy who went by several usernames, the one I remember otomh being Antoine Marchand (French for Ton Koopman). And an Indian guy from Chennai whose username I can't remember right now. I do hope they are all safe and sound.

And btw, what's going on with North Star (Karlo)? He's apparently lurking here but haven't posted anything for a long while.

Oddly enough, I have been around for the last few months, reading a few threads here and there, but don't seem to have anything to say. I did add a couple of things on Vaughan Williams's Phantasy Quintet a few weeks ago, but otherwise...

But you'll be glad to know, Andrei, that I've been diligently practising a lot of 'inattentive listening', as recommended by you, and very profitably too. It seems to result, paradoxically, in my listening more, instead of less. Thank you.

And also I have been charmed to bits by Paul McCartney's Working Classical a good deal. Which has been a delightful experience, but if I posted about it here I think many would say that it wasn't 'proper' music, it was facile pap, and would conclude that I was turning into an old softie. To which I would reply that I was always an old softie, so what's new? And I think the world is a better place for having Paul McCartney in it, no matter what we call his 'classical' aspirations.

So you see, here I am, but very quiet. I've also been reading the 'Europe at war' thread, hoping to find some helpful wisdom there. For indeed, the collective opinions to be found at GMG have always been wise and helpful, on balance, even in the heat of disagreement.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 10, 2022, 01:07:01 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

What a sad story.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 10, 2022, 01:07:35 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on April 10, 2022, 12:16:43 AM
Oddly enough, I have been around for the last few months, reading a few threads here and there, but don't seem to have anything to say. I did add a couple of things on Vaughan Williams's Phantasy Quintet a few weeks ago, but otherwise...

But you'll be glad to know, Andrei, that I've been diligently practising a lot of 'inattentive listening', as recommended by you, and very profitably too. It seems to result, paradoxically, in my listening more, instead of less. Thank you.

And also I have been charmed to bits by Paul McCartney's Working Classical a good deal. Which has been a delightful experience, but if I posted about it here I think many would say that it wasn't 'proper' music, it was facile pap, and would conclude that I was turning into an old softie. To which I would reply that I was always an old softie, so what's new? And I think the world is a better place for having Paul McCartney in it, no matter what we call his 'classical' aspirations.

So you see, here I am, but very quiet. I've also been reading the 'Europe at war' thread, hoping to find some helpful wisdom there. For indeed, the collective opinions to be found at GMG have always been wise and helpful, on balance, even in the heat of disagreement.

Excellent.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on April 10, 2022, 01:26:14 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 09, 2022, 12:27:32 AM
Very sorry to hear that. I wish him the best.

+1 from here, regarding Christo.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on April 10, 2022, 01:31:00 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 10, 2022, 01:07:35 AM
Excellent.

Yes, nice to hear.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on April 10, 2022, 02:07:17 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(

What a terrible tragedy indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 10, 2022, 05:10:10 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(

A life of sadness and isolation. We must bear witness to such circumstances, which may be taking place, unnoticed, in plain sight. All the more shocking because the report on his death is dated 19 days after his last post here, and the circumstances indicate that his death was at least two weeks before the report was published. It is a stark reminder that although we "know" people we encounter on a forum such as this, we have no idea.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 10, 2022, 06:03:09 AM
Extremely sad. Milos is the one who led me to read Ivo Andric and Mesa Selimovic, names that were unknown to me at the time. During a few years we had a steady stream of disc exchanges, back and forth. I do recall him mentioning his mother's health a couple of times, but he kept his life to himself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 10, 2022, 06:36:33 AM
Quote from: DavidW on April 08, 2022, 08:49:10 AM
I replied to one of his posts recently on the listening thread.  If you weren't so busy with your endless Takemitsu posts you probably would have noticed! $:) :D

:P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 10, 2022, 07:14:40 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(

Thanks Que for finding the real story - Milos and I (like many here) had a number of pleasant exchanges over his years on the forum - always kind and helpful - a sad event, indeed.   :(   Dave
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2022, 07:52:52 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(

Poor fellow!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2022, 07:59:49 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on April 10, 2022, 12:16:43 AM
Oddly enough, I have been around for the last few months, reading a few threads here and there, but don't seem to have anything to say. I did add a couple of things on Vaughan Williams's Phantasy Quintet a few weeks ago, but otherwise...

But you'll be glad to know, Andrei, that I've been diligently practising a lot of 'inattentive listening', as recommended by you, and very profitably too. It seems to result, paradoxically, in my listening more, instead of less. Thank you.

And also I have been charmed to bits by Paul McCartney's Working Classical a good deal. Which has been a delightful experience, but if I posted about it here I think many would say that it wasn't 'proper' music, it was facile pap, and would conclude that I was turning into an old softie. To which I would reply that I was always an old softie, so what's new? And I think the world is a better place for having Paul McCartney in it, no matter what we call his 'classical' aspirations.

So you see, here I am, but very quiet. I've also been reading the 'Europe at war' thread, hoping to find some helpful wisdom there. For indeed, the collective opinions to be found at GMG have always been wise and helpful, on balance, even in the heat of disagreement.

I always delight to read a post of your'n, Alan! I would not contemn Working Classical (not having heard it) although it did drop off my radar soon after its initial press release. On the chance that this is my loss, I may just check it out. I do listen to some McCartney every week.


I thought of you this morning as I slipped Tolkien's translation of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight into my tote.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2022, 08:01:26 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2022, 07:59:49 AM
I always delight to read a post of your'n, Alan! I would not contemn Working Classical (not having heard it) although it did drop off my radar soon after its initial press release. On the chance that this is my loss, I may just check it out. I do listen to some McCartney every week.

That said, no one could pay me to listen to Liverpool Oratorio.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on April 10, 2022, 11:15:35 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2022, 08:01:26 AM
That said, no one could pay me to listen to Liverpool Oratorio.

If I were very rich, I would test your resolve with a large cheque, just for kicks. (I've never listened to it myself.)

Just back home from a day out. Thanks for your call, Karl - I'll try to return it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 10, 2022, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on April 10, 2022, 11:15:35 AM
If I were very rich, I would test your resolve, Karl, just for kicks. (I've never listened to it myself.)

(Just back home from a day out. Thanks for your call, Karl - I'll try to return it tomorrow.)

Just listened twice to Working Classical. Pleasant and light, which was what I expected (after all: who among us does not enjoy the string quartet in "Yesterday?"), and I thoroughly enjoy the album. The only aspect of the project which does cause my eyes to roll is the affectation of the title. The string quartet arrangements of "My Love," "Maybe I'm Amazed," "She's My Baby" & "The Lovely Linda" are superior easy-listening, and I think that "A Leaf" & "Tuesday" can hold their head up in the company of the Delius tone-poems. Thanks for the pointer, Alan!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 10, 2022, 11:58:35 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(

A tragedy that may have been prevented had someone just known about it. Unfortunately, not many people will know you have depression unless they can see how you are behind closed doors. It is most definitely a silent killer. I remember having some exchanges with him many years ago and he seemed like a pleasant, kind person. A great loss for not only his family, but this forum, too. A sad life he must have had --- if only I had known, I might could've helped him. I lost a good friend when I was high school to suicide, but the writing on the wall wasn't easy to tell. I do believe that his home life was in turmoil and that he was wrestling with some mental issues, but I simply couldn't tell. I know what it's like to feel like you're worthless and all hope is lost, but, thankfully, I overcame this and the main reason is because I have music. Without music, I surely would have died years ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 10, 2022, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
Terrible. Johan, if you read this: all the best, take care!


I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....
So sorry to hear that. He was a familiar name here at one time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 10, 2022, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(
That's terribly sad. Yes RIP Drasko.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 10, 2022, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 10, 2022, 11:58:35 AM
A tragedy that may have been prevented had someone just known about it. Unfortunately, not many people will know you have depression unless they can see how you are behind closed doors. It is most definitely a silent killer. I remember having some exchanges with him many years ago and he seemed like a pleasant, kind person. A great loss for not only his family, but this forum, too. A sad life he must have had --- if only I had known, I might could've helped him. I lost a good friend when I was high school to suicide, but the writing on the wall wasn't easy to tell. I do believe that his home life was in turmoil and that he was wrestling with some mental issues, but I simply couldn't tell. I know what it's like to feel like you're worthless and all hope is lost, but, thankfully, I overcame this and the main reason is because I have music. Without music, I surely would have died years ago.
A very thoughtful post John. My wife's best friend - a most lovely, kind and over-conscientious person took her own life, many years ago (she was the chief bridesmaid at our wedding).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on April 11, 2022, 12:00:32 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2022, 11:29:23 AM
Just listened twice to Working Classical. Pleasant and light, which was what I expected (after all: who among us does not enjoy the string quartet in "Yesterday?"), and I thoroughly enjoy the album. The only aspect of the project which does cause my eyes to roll is the affectation of the title. The string quartet arrangements of "My Love," "Maybe I'm Amazed," "She's My Baby" & "The Lovely Linda" are superior easy-listening, and I think that "A Leaf" & "Tuesday" can hold their head up in the company of the Delius tone-poems. Thanks for the pointer, Alan!

Interesting comparison with Delius there, Karl. To my ears there is indeed an Englishness about much of the music - not like Elgar, but more like Malcolm Arnold on a quiet day, or someone like that. The sort of music you'd use to accompany a movie, which would be played while the camera panned across soft hills and valleys. Don't ask me to define it though, please. I suppose it's no more profound than Beatle music is profound - though I must admit to finding Beatle music quite profound.

The title of the album doesn't trouble me overmuch because I can't think of a better one, when I try to.

I am slightly anxious about the fact that I am posting about music (and have tempted you into posting about music) in a thread devoted to Missing Members. And worse, I am not even a Missing Member! I promise to do better.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on April 11, 2022, 01:14:17 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2022, 11:52:34 PM
I miss Johan's (Christo) contributions. Unfortunately he has been quite ill. I notice that he still checks in from time-to-time and I have been in contact with him.
Sorry to hear that, Jeffrey, all the best for Johan.


Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(
What a tragedy indeed, rest in peace, Draško.  :(


Quote from: Florestan on April 09, 2022, 04:45:50 AMAnd btw, what's going on with North Star (Karlo)? He's apparently lurking here but haven't posted anything for a long while.

Cheers, Andrei. I do indeed check in fairly regularly, but will have to work on trying to post something occasionally.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 11, 2022, 01:35:39 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 10, 2022, 08:01:26 AM
That said, no one could pay me to listen to Liverpool Oratorio.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 11, 2022, 01:36:50 AM
Quote from: North Star on April 11, 2022, 01:14:17 AM
Sorry to hear that, Jeffrey, all the best for Johan.

What a tragedy indeed, rest in peace, Draško.  :(


Cheers, Andrei. I do indeed check in fairly regularly, but will have to work on trying to post something occasionally.
Good to hear from you Karlo.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on April 11, 2022, 01:49:35 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on April 10, 2022, 12:16:43 AM
Oddly enough, I have been around for the last few months, reading a few threads here and there, but don't seem to have anything to say. I did add a couple of things on Vaughan Williams's Phantasy Quintet a few weeks ago, but otherwise...

But you'll be glad to know, Andrei, that I've been diligently practising a lot of 'inattentive listening', as recommended by you, and very profitably too. It seems to result, paradoxically, in my listening more, instead of less. Thank you.

And also I have been charmed to bits by Paul McCartney's Working Classical a good deal. Which has been a delightful experience, but if I posted about it here I think many would say that it wasn't 'proper' music, it was facile pap, and would conclude that I was turning into an old softie. To which I would reply that I was always an old softie, so what's new? And I think the world is a better place for having Paul McCartney in it, no matter what we call his 'classical' aspirations.

So you see, here I am, but very quiet. I've also been reading the 'Europe at war' thread, hoping to find some helpful wisdom there. For indeed, the collective opinions to be found at GMG have always been wise and helpful, on balance, even in the heat of disagreement.
What a wise post, congrats to you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 11, 2022, 01:51:26 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 11, 2022, 01:36:50 AM
Good to hear from you Karlo.

+ 1.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Elgarian Redux on April 11, 2022, 02:20:03 AM
Quote from: The new erato on April 11, 2022, 01:49:35 AM
What a wise post, congrats to you.

Oh bless you, my dear chap!! Thank you for the compliment. But I need to tell you about an old friend of mine who is a few years younger than I am, and one day I was complaining about some aches and pains, and observing that getting old wasn't much fun. And he looked at me and said, 'Yeah, but think about all that wisdom.'
And I looked back at him, and we both fell about laughing.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 11, 2022, 05:12:37 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 10, 2022, 07:14:40 AM
Thanks Que for finding the real story - Milos and I (like many here) had a number of pleasant exchanges over his years on the forum - always kind and helpful - a sad event, indeed.   :(   Dave
My feelings exactly. Milos and I shared some interests, and had some pleasant and edifying exchanges of information and viewpoints. A sad loss. :(

Quote from: North Star on April 11, 2022, 01:14:17 AM
.. I do indeed check in fairly regularly, but will have to work on trying to post something occasionally.
Good to see you're doing well, Karlo  :). You know your contributions on GMG are highly appreciated!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 11, 2022, 06:42:21 AM
Quote from: Elgarian Redux on April 11, 2022, 02:20:03 AM
Oh bless you, my dear chap!! Thank you for the compliment. But I need to tell you about an old friend of mine who is a few years younger than I am, and one day I was complaining about some aches and pains, and observing that getting old wasn't much fun. And he looked at me and said, 'Yeah, but think about all that wisdom.'
And I looked back at him, and we both fell about laughing.

(* chortle *)

Quote from: ritter on April 11, 2022, 05:12:37 AM

Good to see you're doing well, Karlo  :). You know your contributions on GMG highly appreciated!

And so say I!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 11, 2022, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 10, 2022, 11:51:44 PM
A very thoughtful post John. My wife's best friend - a most lovely, kind and over-conscientious person took her own life, many years ago (she was the chief bridesmaid at our wedding).

Sorry to hear about this, Jeffrey. We never know what someone is going through, which is why I try my best to be kind to people. Emphasis on try. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: North Star on April 11, 2022, 08:15:24 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 11, 2022, 01:36:50 AM
Good to hear from you Karlo.
Quote from: Florestan on April 11, 2022, 01:51:26 AM
+ 1.
Quote from: ritter on April 11, 2022, 05:12:37 AMGood to see you're doing well, Karlo  :). You know your contributions on GMG are highly appreciated!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 11, 2022, 06:42:21 AM
(* chortle *)

And so say I!
Thanks, Jeffrey, Andrei, Rafael and Karl.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on April 11, 2022, 08:46:19 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 10, 2022, 11:58:35 AM
A tragedy that may have been prevented had someone just known about it. Unfortunately, not many people will know you have depression unless they can see how you are behind closed doors. It is most definitely a silent killer. I remember having some exchanges with him many years ago and he seemed like a pleasant, kind person. A great loss for not only his family, but this forum, too. A sad life he must have had --- if only I had known, I might could've helped him. I lost a good friend when I was high school to suicide, but the writing on the wall wasn't easy to tell. I do believe that his home life was in turmoil and that he was wrestling with some mental issues, but I simply couldn't tell. I know what it's like to feel like you're worthless and all hope is lost, but, thankfully, I overcame this and the main reason is because I have music. Without music, I surely would have died years ago.
Honestly—and I'm not saying this to be judgmental in any way—most people genuinely do not want to know. This is justified to some extent. Learning that someone you care about is suicidal often sparks empathy, which can lead you too to become depressed, or worse. People thus tend to avoid the suicidal and try to limit their empathy, which is why so much of what one hears when one reaches out to others for support is empty platitudes and clichés.

For example I've been planning suicide since the beginning of 2021, which I only bring up to say that I understand the situation. Almost no one I reached out to was helpful, whether family, friends or mental health professionals. At the moment I've structured my life in such a way that I'm committed to staying alive for at least another year, and if I don't there will be severe financial consequences for my family, so the idea of ending my life has been put on hold (possibly indefinitely), but the only way to get through a situation like this and remain alive afterwards is to find some way of headgaming yourself into survival. It's arguably better for your loved ones not to know, and the health profession has very limited capacity to assist you short of sedatives and/or constant surveillance—which, in the long term (at least from my personal experience, again), hurts more than it helps. This constant psychological self-management can wear one down over time as well, but in theory, adopting the sort of lifestyle one would have if one weren't suicidal can lead to a genuine change of heart, as such a lifestyle builds up elements of a life worth living. This is why suicidal people often act outwardly happy and untroubled. It obviously does not work for everyone.

I did not know Draško at all but I hope he's at peace now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 11, 2022, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: amw on April 11, 2022, 08:46:19 AMFor example I've been planning suicide since the beginning of 2021, which I only bring up to say that I understand the situation. Almost no one I reached out to was helpful, whether family, friends or mental health professionals. At the moment I've structured my life in such a way that I'm committed to staying alive for at least another year, and if I don't there will be severe financial consequences for my family, so the idea of ending my life has been put on hold (possibly indefinitely), but the only way to get through a situation like this and remain alive afterwards is to find some way of headgaming yourself into survival. It's arguably better for your loved ones not to know, and the health profession has very limited capacity to assist you short of sedatives and/or constant surveillance—which, in the long term (at least from my personal experience, again), hurts more than it helps. This constant psychological self-management can wear one down over time as well, but in theory, adopting the sort of lifestyle one would have if one weren't suicidal can lead to a genuine change of heart, as such a lifestyle builds up elements of a life worth living. This is why suicidal people often act outwardly happy and untroubled. It obviously does not work for everyone.

I did not know Draško at all but I hope he's at peace now.

I find this hard to read. You are, in my opinion, one of the smartest and most insightful people here, and one of the very few people here that I find myself wishing I knew in real life. I don't know what aspects of your life make you think of ending it, but I can confidently propose one counter-argument. I know at least one person who attempted suicide in earnest and failed. He would have succeeded if he had managed to get back into his room before he lost consciousness, allowing his dorm roommates to find him and get medical attention. After he got past that episode he went on to a productive life, and thinks of his suicidal past self as an incomprehensible aberration. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 11, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: amw on April 11, 2022, 08:46:19 AM
I've been planning suicide since the beginning of 2021, which I only bring up to say that I understand the situation. Almost no one I reached out to was helpful, whether family, friends or mental health professionals. At the moment I've structured my life in such a way that I'm committed to staying alive for at least another year, and if I don't there will be severe financial consequences for my family, so the idea of ending my life has been put on hold (possibly indefinitely), but the only way to get through a situation like this and remain alive afterwards is to find some way of headgaming yourself into survival. It's arguably better for your loved ones not to know, and the health profession has very limited capacity to assist you short of sedatives and/or constant surveillance—which, in the long term (at least from my personal experience, again), hurts more than it helps. This constant psychological self-management can wear one down over time as well, but in theory, adopting the sort of lifestyle one would have if one weren't suicidal can lead to a genuine change of heart, as such a lifestyle builds up elements of a life worth living. This is why suicidal people often act outwardly happy and untroubled. It obviously does not work for everyone.

I'm aware that nothing I can say would be of any help so I' will say nothing. I just hope you'll find the motivation and strength to carry on.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 11, 2022, 09:18:57 AM
I think there is an aspect to the Drasko story which has not been emphasized, the burden of being a care-giver for a severely disabled family member. The article refers to a period of 20 years during which the mother was paralyzed and under the continuous care of her son. In these situations the care giver must forfeit his or her entire life, since outside support for the disabled person may be unavailable or inadequate. I have some experience with the burden this can entail.

The article mentions initial suspicion of murder-suicide which was revised in favor of the likelihood that the mother died of natural causes because no injuries were found. The true story is unknowable, but other scenarios can be imagined. It could be that the mother requested the assistance of her son in her suicide, and he was unable to live with this.

This is all speculation, but the clear message is the need for people to care for people around them.

And, of course, people should know that resources are available. In the U.S. one can call the National Suicde Prevention Hotline, 800-273-8255. I assume that similar resources are available in other places.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 11, 2022, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 11, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
I'm aware that nothing I can say would be of any help so I' will say nothing. I just hope you'll find the motivation and strength to carry on.

I agree with Andrei.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on April 11, 2022, 09:39:42 AM
Quote from: amw on April 11, 2022, 08:46:19 AM
Learning that someone you care about is suicidal often sparks empathy, which can lead you too to become depressed, or worse.

This is true, I felt it years ago when practicing Buddhism and meditating only too well on the "suffering of sentient beings" without the conviction I could actually do anything to help them. I don't feel so much empathy nowadays, it's too hard to bear, and tend to be more detached, observational and logical. Remembering that the vast majority of stuff in the Universe has nothing whatever to do with humans, their thoughts and concerns, and would continue in all its glory without the human race or even the planet helps give me peace and perspective.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 11, 2022, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: amw on April 11, 2022, 08:46:19 AM
Honestly—and I'm not saying this to be judgmental in any way—most people genuinely do not want to know. This is justified to some extent. Learning that someone you care about is suicidal often sparks empathy, which can lead you too to become depressed, or worse. People thus tend to avoid the suicidal and try to limit their empathy, which is why so much of what one hears when one reaches out to others for support is empty platitudes and clichés.

For example I've been planning suicide since the beginning of 2021, which I only bring up to say that I understand the situation. Almost no one I reached out to was helpful, whether family, friends or mental health professionals. At the moment I've structured my life in such a way that I'm committed to staying alive for at least another year, and if I don't there will be severe financial consequences for my family, so the idea of ending my life has been put on hold (possibly indefinitely), but the only way to get through a situation like this and remain alive afterwards is to find some way of headgaming yourself into survival. It's arguably better for your loved ones not to know, and the health profession has very limited capacity to assist you short of sedatives and/or constant surveillance—which, in the long term (at least from my personal experience, again), hurts more than it helps. This constant psychological self-management can wear one down over time as well, but in theory, adopting the sort of lifestyle one would have if one weren't suicidal can lead to a genuine change of heart, as such a lifestyle builds up elements of a life worth living. This is why suicidal people often act outwardly happy and untroubled. It obviously does not work for everyone.

I did not know Draško at all but I hope he's at peace now.

I wasn't aware of your own situation and I genuinely hope that life brings you peace and happiness. If you and I were friends in "real life" and I knew of your emotional state, I would do everything in my power to help you, because that's the kind of person I am. I can't speak of your family, friends, etc. It's just too bad we're nothing more than acquaintances on the internet. Anyway, I wish you well and if you need anything at all, then don't hesitate to send me a personal message.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on April 11, 2022, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 11, 2022, 09:04:13 AM
I find this hard to read. You are, in my opinion, one of the smartest and most insightful people here, and one of the very few people here that I find myself wishing I knew in real life. I don't know what aspects of your life make you think of ending it, but I can confidently propose one counter-argument. I know at least one person who attempted suicide in earnest and failed. He would have succeeded if he had managed to get back into his room before he lost consciousness, allowing his dorm roommates to find him and get medical attention. After he got past that episode he went on to a productive life, and thinks of his suicidal past self as an incomprehensible aberration. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

While this may look obvious, it bears repeating, again and again. Keep well, amw.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 11, 2022, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 11, 2022, 09:04:13 AM
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Quote from: André on April 11, 2022, 11:47:32 AM
While this may look obvious, it bears repeating, again and again. Keep well, amw.
It's one of those truths which, while obvious to the speaker, is often inconceivable to the hearer. For me, when I went through a severe depressive phase a decade ago, the idea that "it gets better" was something everyone told me - but I didn't believe them. It's hard to see when you're "in" it. It was like when people told me, "oh eventually you'll find a good job," or "oh eventually you'll find a personal partner." All of my years of experience at the time were of the opposite. And you only know what you know.

It ended up being true, of course. All those things people said proved true. But you couldn't go back in time and convince my depressed state of them. That's the paradoxical, cruel nature of it. It's a disease that wins by convincing you that it will win.

Having said all of this, my struggles were situationally based. I was in a bad life situation, and gradually it improved. My mental state took about 18 months to catch up to the improved situation in life. Milos sounds like he was also in a tragic situation in life, and reading the news article and ensuing discussion has been hard and heartbreaking for me.

There are many people who experience depression chronically, no matter their life circumstance, no matter what happens. (The writer David Foster Wallace chronicled his depression vividly before ending his own suffering.) It's a cruelty of the world which I hope nobody here knows, neither amw nor anyone else.

To amw and any others with similar situations: I truly hope the load lightens. It won't be quickly. But I hope it will be steadily.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on April 11, 2022, 07:42:32 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 11, 2022, 09:04:13 AMI know at least one person who attempted suicide in earnest and failed. He would have succeeded if he had managed to get back into his room before he lost consciousness, allowing his dorm roommates to find him and get medical attention. After he got past that episode he went on to a productive life, and thinks of his suicidal past self as an incomprehensible aberration.
To be totally clear I was not "asking for help" or whatever: the means I used in order to avoid attempting suicide did make my life more unstable in the short term but I'm now on the track towards long-term security and my life situation has improved in almost all respects, and will continue to do so for the near future. Financially things won't be ideal, but in terms of life functionality I expect to be doing better than I have in at least a decade by this time next year. It's just essentially a "fake it until you make it" strategy, and with lifelong chronic suicidality you have to understand that you'll never truly "make it" the way other people will; the best you can hope for is being able to appear normal to others (which I have a lot of practice at), and keeping your urges at bay through a complicated system of mental checks and balances, with room built in to account for occasional failures. Any adverse life circumstance added to this—such as an illness or death in the family, for example—destabilises the mental routine, takes up all the space you set aside for your occasional lapse, and cuts your margin of error to zero. In this case, I don't think it's particularly respectful to speculate about the cause of that death in the family, or even whether Draško's depression was chronic or situational; both can be of equal severity, one simply lasts longer.

Quote from: Brian on April 11, 2022, 06:43:31 PM
There are many people who experience depression chronically, no matter their life circumstance, no matter what happens.
17 years this summer, here. It doesn't get better, but you do get used to it.

I'm in a relatively good position right now. I hope others can also find their way to this point or a similar one.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 11, 2022, 08:00:35 PM
It's true that a lot of management of depression and suicidal thoughts has to happen internally.

This doesn't mean, however, that it's impossible for others to provide resources or support.

Stay well, amw.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 12, 2022, 12:10:50 AM
I recommended this to a psychotherapist friend of mine who had a severely depressed client in a mental hospital. His client apparently found the book very helpful. I know that any book is not the answer to the vicissitudes of life - but you never know. A book that I have found helpful is the 'Wisdom of Insecurity' by Alan Watts, in which he points out that in Dante's 'Inferno' the way out of Hell is through the centre - I have found this weirdly comforting during difficult periods of my own life:
(//)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 12, 2022, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: amw on April 11, 2022, 07:42:32 PM
17 years this summer, here. It doesn't get better, but you do get used to it.

I'm in a relatively good position right now. I hope others can also find their way to this point or a similar one.
I hope so too. Best to you.

My best friend has this chronically but to a much lesser degree. At her point in life, with a good level of success and support from friends, she compares it to tinnitus: it's like a faint hum in the background that you can hear if you really focus, so you try not to. (Since I have tinnitus this was a good analogy for me.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 12, 2022, 06:43:49 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 12, 2022, 06:37:45 AM
I hope so too. Best to you.

My best friend has this chronically but to a much lesser degree. At her point in life, with a good level of success and support from friends, she compares it to tinnitus: it's like a faint hum in the background that you can hear if you really focus, so you try not to. (Since I have tinnitus this was a good analogy for me.)

...except some people have tinnitus which is bad enough to drive them to suicide. As a Texan you must have come across the story of the CEO of Texas Roadhouse.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 12, 2022, 07:07:44 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 11, 2022, 06:43:31 PM
Milos sounds like he was also in a tragic situation in life, and reading the news article and ensuing discussion has been hard and heartbreaking for me.

+ 1.

I pictured Milos as a child: his mother must have done everything in her power to make him happy despite his father's early death and that's how a strong tie of love and affection must have developped between them. I can think of no happier event in the world than a child playing with their mother and feeling loved and protected by her.

Then I fast forwarded to his life as an adult, devoting 20 (twenty!) years to taking care of her. all by himself. If I understood the article correctly, he had no life of his own, no close friends, no wife or girlfriend; his whole life was devoted to taking care of his mother. I do wonder how many of us would have been capable of such a self-denying filial love and devotion.  Music was quite clearly his only solace and escape from isolation and sadness.

It really broke my heart to read his story. And in hindsight, his avatar is all the more disturbing: behind his tonic and congenial GMG persona lied a profound and possibly irremediable loneliness and sadness.

(https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=54102;type=avatar)

May he rest in peace together with his beloved mother.

Sad, sad, extremely sad story.




Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 12, 2022, 07:21:12 AM
Also, there's a lesson I learned from both Drasko's case and amw's predicament: never ever anymore will I assume too much, if anything at all, from anyone's posts here about their character and personality; never ever anymore will I reply in an ironic, snide or sarcastic way to anyone in any circumstance. In this respect I deeply regret my behaviour towards some people here, first and foremost amw and hereby publicly and sincerely apologize.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 12, 2022, 07:25:43 AM
Incredibly sad news.

I've battled depression my whole life and have gone through a handful of really difficult times. I have managed to always find a way to get through it, but it has never been easy.

I count my blessings that I am currently doing very well now with a new medication with zero side effects (first time I can ever say that).

One of the biggest challenges of clinical depression is maintaining that remission period and remembering to continue the things that have helped you get out of the abyss.

Although I feel cured, history has shown that I slip back into it around 8-10 years.

Life is worth living, but at times it can most certainly feel like it isn't. For me, I have to work hard at it and continuously.

Working from home has been a major boon for my mental health. Unfortunately, I am ordered back to work in the office full time starting next week. That will add to my stress levels, which tremendously challenges my mental health.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 12, 2022, 07:37:00 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 12, 2022, 07:25:43 AM
Incredibly sad news.

I've battled depression my whole life and have gone through a handful of really difficult times. I have managed to always find a way to get through it, but it has never been easy.

I count my blessings that I am currently doing very well now with a new medication with zero side effects (first time I can ever say that).

One of the biggest challenges of clinical depression is maintaining that remission period and remembering to continue the things that have helped you get out of the abyss.

Although I feel cured, history has shown that I slip back into it around 8-10 years.

Life is worth living, but at times it can most certainly feel like it isn't. For me, I have to work hard at it and continuously.

All strength and power to you, Ray.

FWIW, I am not completely alien to depression: although I have never experienced it myself (God be praised!) my father had it for more than a decade. And the problem was compound by the fact that, if he neglected his medication --- some depressives are quite prone to that especially if they feel better --- he went from depression to mania, which was as bad if not worse. A continuous, decade-long nightmare for both me and (especially) my mother.


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 12, 2022, 09:49:40 AM
It took me awhile to understand how very real a problem depression is.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 12, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 12, 2022, 07:25:43 AM
Incredibly sad news.

I've battled depression my whole life and have gone through a handful of really difficult times. I have managed to always find a way to get through it, but it has never been easy.

I count my blessings that I am currently doing very well now with a new medication with zero side effects (first time I can ever say that).

One of the biggest challenges of clinical depression is maintaining that remission period and remembering to continue the things that have helped you get out of the abyss.

Although I feel cured, history has shown that I slip back into it around 8-10 years.

Life is worth living, but at times it can most certainly feel like it isn't. For me, I have to work hard at it and continuously.

Working from home has been a major boon for my mental health. Unfortunately, I am ordered back to work in the office full time starting next week. That will add to my stress levels, which tremendously challenges my mental health.

It's great that you're doing much better, Ray. 8) If you need anything then don't hesitate to ask!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 12, 2022, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 12, 2022, 07:21:12 AM
Also, there's a lesson I learned from both Drasko's case and amw's predicament: never ever anymore will I assume too much, if anything at all, from anyone's posts here about their character and personality; never ever anymore will I reply in an ironic, snide or sarcastic way to anyone in any circumstance. In this respect I deeply regret my behaviour towards some people here, first and foremost amw and hereby publicly and sincerely apologize.

I hope that all those who have not learned (or who have forgotten) this lesson will learn it now. Thank you for this post.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 12, 2022, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 12, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
It's great that you're doing much better, Ray. 8) If you need anything then don't hesitate to ask!
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on April 13, 2022, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 12, 2022, 07:25:43 AM
Incredibly sad news.

I've battled depression my whole life and have gone through a handful of really difficult times. I have managed to always find a way to get through it, but it has never been easy.

I count my blessings that I am currently doing very well now with a new medication with zero side effects (first time I can ever say that).

One of the biggest challenges of clinical depression is maintaining that remission period and remembering to continue the things that have helped you get out of the abyss.

Although I feel cured, history has shown that I slip back into it around 8-10 years.

Life is worth living, but at times it can most certainly feel like it isn't. For me, I have to work hard at it and continuously.

Working from home has been a major boon for my mental health. Unfortunately, I am ordered back to work in the office full time starting next week. That will add to my stress levels, which tremendously challenges my mental health.
I was thinking of you in particular with some of my earlier comments. Glad to hear that things are going better at the moment, at least on the medication front. I hope the office work doesn't impede that too much—remote work has been helpful for me as well, although not quite as stress-relieving as I'd hoped.

Paradoxically enough, anxiety (including office-related stress) can sometimes have a magnetic counteracting effect on depression, increasing motivation at times when one is particularly struggling with avolition; it doesn't do this in a healthy way, obviously, but if one can figure out a way to manage anxiety and fear once it's set in (for many people, anxiety can be rapidly reduced through activating the diving reflex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_reflex), for example), it can provide just enough energy to get one out of bed and ready for a trip to the office. I don't necessarily recommend this unless things like medication or therapy prove ineffective, though.


Quote from: Florestan on April 12, 2022, 07:21:12 AM
Also, there's a lesson I learned from both Drasko's case and amw's predicament: never ever anymore will I assume too much, if anything at all, from anyone's posts here about their character and personality; never ever anymore will I reply in an ironic, snide or sarcastic way to anyone in any circumstance. In this respect I deeply regret my behaviour towards some people here, first and foremost amw and hereby publicly and sincerely apologize.
Truth be told, I owe you an apology as well. I have a tendency to be kind of mean to people, and though it may be exacerbated by bad mental health days, that doesn't excuse it. I do actually have a good deal of respect for you—while at times some of the things you say (mostly unrelated to me) have bothered me and I've tried to put you on ignore, I've always found myself taking you off the list a few days later to read your posts about music, and to discuss various musical topics of interest. As such, all of the snarky and baiting comments I've made towards you (or in general, really) have been out of line. Hopefully if I can stick to my goal of not bringing up politics it'll be easier for us to get along (& the same applies to anyone else I may have offended over the years).

As much as my brain might insist most of you are faded old photos or paintings of composers, North Star is a cloud, Brian is a cartoon duck, etc. (and perhaps I'm perceived by some participants here as a moonlit beach in New Zealand), we are all real people here, with very different life experiences that led us to be the way we are. For example, I have an unusual insensitivity to heated language in discussions because spirited debate and argument (sometimes with wine involved) have always been the bread and butter of my family, treated almost as a competitive intellectual sport. Nothing said over the dinner table or kitchen counter counts as a personal insult. But the internet is not my mom's kitchen, and the onus is on me to remain sensitive to the needs and preferences of others.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 13, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
Quote from: amw on April 13, 2022, 08:11:33 AM
Truth be told, I owe you an apology as well. I have a tendency to be kind of mean to people, and though it may be exacerbated by bad mental health days, that doesn't excuse it.

No apology needed, really. I've been way meaner to you than you have ever been to me.

QuoteI do actually have a good deal of respect for you—while at times some of the things you say (mostly unrelated to me) have bothered me and I've tried to put you on ignore, I've always found myself taking you off the list a few days later to read your posts about music, and to discuss various musical topics of interest.

Hah! Too funny! I have the same experience with you. I've put you on ignore several times but always eventually took you off the list because it'd have been stupid to deprive myself of your insightful and knowledgeable posts.  :D

Okay then, now that we're even let's agree to disagree politically (although when it comes to the war in Ukraine we agree on many things) and let's concentrate on music alone (or other arts) in our future exchanges. We do have a lot in common in this respect.

Friends?  :-*

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: amw on April 13, 2022, 09:21:43 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 13, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
Hah! Too funny! I have the same experience with you. I've put you on ignore several times but always eventually took you off the list because it'd have been stupid to deprive myself of your insightful and knowledgeable posts.  :D

Okay then, now that we're even let's agree to disagree politically (although when it comes to the war in Ukraine we agree on many things) and let's concentrate on music alone (or other arts) in our future exchanges. We do have a lot in common in this respect.

Friends?  :-*
Sounds good to me! Talking about music is in any case a lot more fun and interesting from my point of view. Politics are (for me at least) much more of a bad habit picked up over the kitchen counter as a teen, sort of like the Ashkenazi Jewish (& various other ethnicities) version of secondhand smoke inhalation
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 13, 2022, 02:57:12 PM
Funnily enough you're 2 of the people I enjoy the most for musical discussion on the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 13, 2022, 05:22:33 PM
The angry shouty duck is a reminder to myself to not take any of this too seriously, because if I get too heated in an argument, people will think that avatar is actually me  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 14, 2022, 04:02:33 AM
Quote from: Madiel on April 13, 2022, 02:57:12 PM
Funnily enough you're 2 of the people I enjoy the most for musical discussion on the forum.

Thank you, the feeling is reciprocal.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 17, 2022, 01:20:10 PM
I wonder what happened to King Ubu, who was one of our most knowledgeable jazz lovers and very generous with recommendations and insights.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 17, 2022, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: Brian on April 17, 2022, 01:20:10 PM
I wonder what happened to King Ubu, who was one of our most knowledgeable jazz lovers and very generous with recommendations and insights.

Lone gone, I'm afraid. I asked about him not too long after his disappearance and no one knows. Probably found another forum or, better yet, got an actual life. ;) ;D

P.S. I'll be your jazz buddy any day of the week. I spent 15 years listening to nothing but jazz and I learned A LOT about the genre as a whole. If I were to give myself a specialty (or specialities), it would be Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Duke Ellington (esp. late Ellington like late 50s until his passing), Charles Mingus and Thelonious Monk. These are the cats I'm most knowledgable about.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 18, 2022, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 12, 2022, 12:10:50 AM
I recommended this to a psychotherapist friend of mine who had a severely depressed client in a mental hospital. His client apparently found the book very helpful. I know that any book is not the answer to the vicissitudes of life - but you never know. A book that I have found helpful is the 'Wisdom of Insecurity' by Alan Watts, in which he points out that in Dante's 'Inferno' the way out of Hell is through the centre - I have found this weirdly comforting during difficult periods of my own life:
(//)

Is the book good even for non-believers? Thank you, Jeffrey!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 18, 2022, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 18, 2022, 09:02:22 AM
Is the book good even for non-believers? Thank you, Jeffrey!
Neither book is Religious Manabu.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 18, 2022, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 18, 2022, 12:36:27 PM
Neither book is Religious Manabu.

Ordered. Thank you, Jeffrey!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 18, 2022, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 18, 2022, 09:02:22 AM
Is the book good even for non-believers? Thank you, Jeffrey!

Alan Watts was a Buddhist speaker and teacher, so the book is written from the general viewpoint of Buddhist philosophy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 18, 2022, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 18, 2022, 06:44:59 PM
Alan Watts was a Buddhist speak and teacher, so the book is written from the general viewpoint of Buddhist philosophy.

Sounds great! Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 19, 2022, 12:21:15 AM
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 18, 2022, 01:17:32 PM
Ordered. Thank you, Jeffrey!
My pleasure Manabu - I hope that you you find the book/books helpful. If you get the chance let us know what you think. Arthur (Spotted Horses) is quite right about the Alan Watts book, although it also follows the Taoist tradition. I often consult the Tao Te Ching for inspiration  :)

There's a famous book 'Dark Nights of the Soul' written by the Spanish mystic St John of The Cross, but the one I meant is written by a contemporary author, Thomas Moore (not to be confused with the English theologian, Thomas More, executed during the reign of Henry VIII !)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on April 19, 2022, 05:36:49 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 19, 2022, 12:21:15 AM
My pleasure Manabu - I hope that you you find the book/books helpful. If you get the chance let us know what you think. Arthur (Spotted Horses) is quite right about the Alan Watts book, although it also follows the Taoist tradition. I often consult the Tao Te Ching for inspiration  :)

There's a famous book 'Dark Nights of the Soul' written by the Spanish mystic St John of The Cross, but the one I meant is written by a contemporary author, Thomas Moore (not to be confused with the English theologian, Thomas More, executed during the reign of Henry VIII !)

Yes, I have a few books by Watts. Looking forward to reading the book by Moore. The book received very good reviews on Amazon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 19, 2022, 06:20:27 AM
Getting back to missing members, I really wish Peter (Moonfish) would return. I miss his contributions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 19, 2022, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 19, 2022, 06:20:27 AM
Getting back to missing members, I really wish Peter (Moonfish) would return. I miss his contributions.
Yes, he was a familiar name at one time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 19, 2022, 07:52:36 AM
Another member I have not seen for a long time is Marvinbrown (a big Wagner fan)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on April 19, 2022, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 19, 2022, 07:37:18 AM
Yes, he was a familiar name at one time.

Yeah, it was nice having Peter around as he shared a lot of common interests with both of us (and many other members, too).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 20, 2022, 08:59:38 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
Terrible. Johan, if you read this: all the best, take care!


I miss my French Baroque buddy, Draško (Milos), who had been a member here for a long time but in later years there were some long episodes of absence. A young guy from Serbia, younger than me at least, also very knowledgeable on Russian music and performers.

Three years ago he disappeared off the radar for the last time.  For a long time I assumed he would be back some time.
Last year Facebook reminded me of his birthday - I totally forgot we connected at some point.
From looking at his FB page with the help of Google translate I could deduct that he must have passed away no longer than a year after his last visit here. Friends had posted memorial posts on his birthday. I reached out to one of them to learn more, but never got a reply....

That's quite a shock. Strange, I feel as though in some real sense I knew him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 20, 2022, 09:01:30 AM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(

And now this, as I continue to read. Ask not for whom the bell tolls . . .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 20, 2022, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 10, 2022, 05:10:10 AM
A life of sadness and isolation. We must bear witness to such circumstances, which may be taking place, unnoticed, in plain sight. All the more shocking because the report on his death is dated 19 days after his last post here, and the circumstances indicate that his death was at least two weeks before the report was published. It is a stark reminder that although we "know" people we encounter on a forum such as this, we have no idea.

And a reminder that behind every post, which emerges from nowhere as it were, is a real human being.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 20, 2022, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: amw on April 11, 2022, 08:46:19 AM
Honestly—and I'm not saying this to be judgmental in any way—most people genuinely do not want to know. This is justified to some extent. Learning that someone you care about is suicidal often sparks empathy, which can lead you too to become depressed, or worse. People thus tend to avoid the suicidal and try to limit their empathy, which is why so much of what one hears when one reaches out to others for support is empty platitudes and clichés.

For example I've been planning suicide since the beginning of 2021, which I only bring up to say that I understand the situation. Almost no one I reached out to was helpful, whether family, friends or mental health professionals. At the moment I've structured my life in such a way that I'm committed to staying alive for at least another year, and if I don't there will be severe financial consequences for my family, so the idea of ending my life has been put on hold (possibly indefinitely), but the only way to get through a situation like this and remain alive afterwards is to find some way of headgaming yourself into survival. It's arguably better for your loved ones not to know, and the health profession has very limited capacity to assist you short of sedatives and/or constant surveillance—which, in the long term (at least from my personal experience, again), hurts more than it helps. This constant psychological self-management can wear one down over time as well, but in theory, adopting the sort of lifestyle one would have if one weren't suicidal can lead to a genuine change of heart, as such a lifestyle builds up elements of a life worth living. This is why suicidal people often act outwardly happy and untroubled. It obviously does not work for everyone.

I did not know Draško at all but I hope he's at peace now.

I've got absolutely nothing to say but I just wanted to say, hello. Seems better than saying nothing.

Ah  got it. This is the best I can do.

Cyberhugs (((((((AMW)))))))
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: T. D. on April 26, 2022, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Brian on April 17, 2022, 01:20:10 PM
I wonder what happened to King Ubu, who was one of our most knowledgeable jazz lovers and very generous with recommendations and insights.

He's been a long-time poster on a jazz forum I often visit. But his posting there seems to have decreased, most recent one 24 Feb of this year.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wakefield on April 29, 2022, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: Que on April 09, 2022, 10:32:00 PM
There is not much to see.

Since I really liked to know what happened, I decide to google his full name yesterday evening. Perhaps I could find an obituary? Well, be careful what you wish for... since his passing turned out to be particularly tragic: he took his own life.
Think a minute if you really want to know the rather disturbing details you can read by clicking HERE (https://www-blic-rs.translate.goog/vesti/hronika/rano-je-ostao-bez-oca-nije-mogao-da-podnese-smrt-majke-obrt-u-istrazi-sudija-umrla/7sztvq3?_x_tr_sl=sr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp) (Google translate will take a minute or so)

Rest in peace, Draško. :(
What terrible news. I was never his friend (even "virtually"). I think we talk just two or three times. The last time about a BBC TV series: "Luther", a policial drama starring Idris Elba. I recommended it. Drasko didn't say anything derogatory, but he thought that "Luther" wasn't fully accurate from a procedural point of view. (now his words have a new meaning). I always loved his avatar and his superb English. His departure instantly reminded me of these verses: 

The cane, the coins, the key-chain,
The docile lock, the late notes
That won't be read by the few days
Left to me, the papers and the chessboard,
A book and in its pages the wilted
Violet, monument to an undoubtedly
Unforgettable and already forgotten evening,
The red occidental mirror in which an illusory
Dawn is burning. How many things,
Files, thresholds, atlases, goblets, nails,
Serve us like silent slaves,
Things blind and strangely secret!
They will last longer than our oblivion;
They will never know that we have left.   

Rest in peace, Draško.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on May 13, 2022, 05:57:27 AM
I guess PD/Pohjolas Daughter must be busy with other things; usually quite active, but hasn't been around for a couple of weeks ...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 13, 2022, 06:46:06 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on May 13, 2022, 05:57:27 AM
I guess PD/Pohjolas Daughter must be busy with other things; usually quite active, but hasn't been around for a couple of weeks ...
Lost in Tuonela again? I hope that she returns soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Rinaldo on May 15, 2022, 12:56:40 AM
It's just words on the internet, but the humanity that has shone through the past few pages is heartening.

Whenever I'm frustrated by someone's opinion or personality as it appears over the web, I remind myself that the most touching message I received here came from... Todd.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on May 15, 2022, 05:51:29 AM
Quote from: Rinaldo on May 15, 2022, 12:56:40 AM
It's just words on the internet, but the humanity that has shone through the past few pages is heartening.

Whenever I'm frustrated by someone's opinion or personality as it appears over the web, I remind myself that the most touching message I received here came from... Todd.

Nice. And your first name is not even Ludwig?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on June 02, 2022, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: MusicTurner on May 13, 2022, 05:57:27 AM
I guess PD/Pohjolas Daughter must be busy with other things; usually quite active, but hasn't been around for a couple of weeks ...

Well, it's been more than a month now. Maybe it happens at times.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 02, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: MusicTurner on June 02, 2022, 10:28:06 PM
Well, it's been more than a month now. Maybe it happens at times.
I sent her a PM but no response. Hope she is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 03, 2022, 07:35:42 PM
Yeah, it is odd not seeing Pohjola's Daughter frequenting the forum, especially after posting a good bit every day. Hopefully, she's just busy with life --- a good busy not the other kind of busy.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on June 08, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
A few days ago I checked in on the "Art-Music Forum" for the first time in ages and discovered that our dear cilgwyn has been very active there recently (the forum is otherwise quite "dead"). So at least we know he's alive and well! I wonder what led him to leave our far livelier forum? I should send him a PM....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 08, 2022, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: kyjo on June 08, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
A few days ago I checked in on the "Art-Music Forum" for the first time in ages and discovered that our dear cilgwyn has been very active there recently (the forum is otherwise quite "dead"). So at least we know he's alive and well! I wonder what led him to leave our far livelier forum? I should send him a PM....
Yes, it's a mystery!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on June 08, 2022, 12:52:16 PM
Anyone had any news from Aligreto (Fergus)? He hasn't posted in quite a while....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 08, 2022, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: ritter on June 08, 2022, 12:52:16 PM
Anyone had any news from Aligreto (Fergus)? He hasn't posted in quite a while....
Good point! I hope that Fergus returns soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on June 08, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: ritter on June 08, 2022, 12:52:16 PM
Anyone had any news from Aligreto (Fergus)? He hasn't posted in quite a while....

He is taking a temporary sabbatical from the GMG, and enjoying watching Polo and listening to various music. He is planning to come back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on June 08, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Good to know he's fine....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 08, 2022, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on June 08, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
He is taking a temporary sabbatical from the GMG, and enjoying watching Polo and listening to various music. He is planning to come back.

Very good.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 08, 2022, 02:10:06 PM
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on June 08, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
He is taking a temporary sabbatical from the GMG, and enjoying watching Polo and listening to various music. He is planning to come back.
Excellent news! If it's appropriate to do so please send my best wishes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on June 08, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 08, 2022, 02:10:06 PM
Excellent news! If it's appropriate to do so please send my best wishes.

Certainly. He would be very glad to hear that!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 08, 2022, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on June 08, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
Certainly. He would be very glad to hear that!
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 08, 2022, 06:39:56 PM
I still lament the departure of Dancing Divertimentian who is my Martinů compadre. I hope he's okay. I do hope that Peter (Moonfish) makes a reappearance. So many great members have come and gone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 08, 2022, 10:39:56 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 08, 2022, 06:39:56 PM
I still lament the departure of Dancing Divertimentian who is my Martinů compadre. I hope he's okay. I do hope that Peter (Moonfish) makes a reappearance. So many great members have come and gone.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 09, 2022, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from: kyjo on June 08, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
A few days ago I checked in on the "Art-Music Forum" for the first time in ages and discovered that our dear cilgwyn has been very active there recently (the forum is otherwise quite "dead"). So at least we know he's alive and well! I wonder what led him to leave our far livelier forum? I should send him a PM....

Yes, do send him a PM and tell him that there are several members that miss his contributions and wished that he would come back. His departure was one of the oddest I've seen as there wasn't some kind of warning or he didn't alert any of us that he was leaving. One day I logged in and POOF! he was gone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 07:13:18 AM
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on June 08, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
He is taking a temporary sabbatical from the GMG, and enjoying watching Polo IPL cricket and listening to various music. He is planning to come back.


Thank you all very much for your inquiries. This has probably been the longest period in my life that I have not listened to music on a continual basis. The other interesting aspect of this abstention is that I had not refrained in any way from thinking about music. Like most people here music is an inherent part of my existence; if I am not listening to it then I am thinking about it.

A special thank you to Manabu for being my voice  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 10, 2022, 07:36:18 AM
Welcome back, Fergus! I feel the same way that you do about music --- if I'm not listening to it, I'm constantly thinking about it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 10, 2022, 07:38:05 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 10, 2022, 07:36:18 AM
Welcome back, Fergus! I feel the same way that you do about music --- if I'm not listening to it, I'm constantly thinking about it.

+ 1 on all counts!


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 10, 2022, 07:41:22 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 07:13:18 AM

Thank you all very much for your inquiries. This has probably been the longest period in my life that I have not listened to music on a continual basis. The other interesting aspect of this abstention is that I had not refrained in any way from thinking about music. Like most people here music is an inherent part of my existence; if I am not listening to it then I am thinking about it.

Welcome back, Fergus!

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/xxtxe3mRD7J1k0MNr1/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 07:51:17 AM
Cheers guys  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 10, 2022, 08:02:34 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 07:51:17 AM
Cheers guys  :)

Hey,  Al.

🤠😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 10, 2022, 08:03:57 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 10, 2022, 08:02:34 AM
Hey,  Al.

🤠😎

Who's Al?  ???
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 10, 2022, 08:56:09 AM
Quote from: Florestan on June 10, 2022, 08:03:57 AM
Who's Al?  ???

Ummm, Al-igreto. Don't be too literal, Flo....  :D

My dog's name is Fergus, what can you expect from me? I need some variety!

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on June 10, 2022, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 10, 2022, 08:56:09 AM
Ummm, Al-igreto. Don't be too literal, Flo....  :D

You got me, Gottfried Uwe Reinhard Nepomuk!  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 10, 2022, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 07:13:18 AM

Like most people here music is an inherent part of my existence; if I am not listening to it then I am thinking about it.

I suppose you mean that you - when you don't listen to music - hear music in you inner ear all the same. At least this is true of me.

Good to see you again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 10, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 07:13:18 AM

Thank you all very much for your inquiries. This has probably been the longest period in my life that I have not listened to music on a continual basis. The other interesting aspect of this abstention is that I had not refrained in any way from thinking about music. Like most people here music is an inherent part of my existence; if I am not listening to it then I am thinking about it.

A special thank you to Manabu for being my voice  ;)

Welcome back from your sabbatical, fella !  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 10, 2022, 08:56:09 AM

My dog's name is Fergus, what can you expect from me? I need some variety!

8)

Pray tell, where did that come from, Gurn?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 10, 2022, 09:42:30 AM
I suppose you mean that you - when you don't listen to music - hear music in you inner ear all the same. At least this is true of me.

Good to see you again.

Thank you, my friend, and yes, that is how I feel about music. It is omnipresent; if not in detail then certainly in my heart, mind and gut.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Papy Oli on June 10, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
Welcome back from your sabbatical, fella !  8)

Thank you very much, Olivier.
How are you doing, my friend?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on June 10, 2022, 07:06:37 PM
Listening to music is one of the few effective ways to deal with ear worms.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 10, 2022, 10:17:40 PM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 11:59:04 AM
Pray tell, where did that come from, Gurn?

It is part of a reply to Florestan wherein I said I called you Al back there only because it was short for etc...  . I couldn't actually call you Fergus like he did because I didn't know you were called Fergus,  but out loud I freely admitted it is already taken by my favorite dog,  a braw lad of the terrier sort. Nae more than that.    :)

🤠😎
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on June 11, 2022, 01:32:57 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 02:27:40 PM
Thank you very much, Olivier.
How are you doing, my friend?

All good this end, thank you! Happy "refreshed" listening to you  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 11, 2022, 06:45:58 AM
Welcome back Fergus  :)
I shall play some John Kinsella in celebration  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on June 11, 2022, 06:51:29 AM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 11:59:04 AM
Pray tell, where did that come from, Gurn?

Well you can call me Betty, and Betty when you call me, you can call me Al...

(https://y.yarn.co/c5e6b8f8-3749-4f9b-8e31-8e70fab95e53_text.gif)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on June 11, 2022, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: DavidW on June 11, 2022, 06:51:29 AM
Well you can call me Betty, and Betty when you call me, you can call me Al...

(https://y.yarn.co/c5e6b8f8-3749-4f9b-8e31-8e70fab95e53_text.gif)

I would nominate that for "worst music video of all time."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 12, 2022, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 10, 2022, 10:17:40 PM
It is part of a reply to Florestan wherein I said I called you Al back there only because it was short for etc...  . I couldn't actually call you Fergus like he did because I didn't know you were called Fergus,  but out loud I freely admitted it is already taken by my favorite dog,  a braw lad of the terrier sort. Nae more than that.    :)

🤠😎

Hello Gurn,

My original question was not phrased correctly by me, unfortunately. I was originally meaning to question where you got the name for your dog. Your answer explains the derivation. Americans might refer to this connection as Gaelic but it is probably more correctly referred to as Celtic. 

Apologies for any inadvertent confusion caused.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 12, 2022, 03:27:29 PM
Quote from: DavidW on June 11, 2022, 06:51:29 AM
Well you can call me Betty, and Betty when you call me, you can call me Al...

(https://y.yarn.co/c5e6b8f8-3749-4f9b-8e31-8e70fab95e53_text.gif)

That video was so big back in the day!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 12, 2022, 04:42:21 PM
Quote from: aligreto on June 12, 2022, 03:27:29 PM
That video was so big back in the day!

The album was a Monster.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on June 12, 2022, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 09, 2022, 08:04:49 PM
Yes, do send him a PM and tell him that there are several members that miss his contributions and wished that he would come back. His departure was one of the oddest I've seen as there wasn't some kind of warning or he didn't alert any of us that he was leaving. One day I logged in and POOF! he was gone.

I sent him a PM yesterday. No response yet - I'll keep you all updated.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on June 12, 2022, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: aligreto on June 10, 2022, 07:13:18 AM

Thank you all very much for your inquiries. This has probably been the longest period in my life that I have not listened to music on a continual basis. The other interesting aspect of this abstention is that I had not refrained in any way from thinking about music. Like most people here music is an inherent part of my existence; if I am not listening to it then I am thinking about it.

A special thank you to Manabu for being my voice  ;)

Welcome back, Fergus! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on June 13, 2022, 01:12:12 AM
Mostly gone for a few months (good to see that hardly anyone noticed...), but I am beginning to post again, though very occasionally...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 13, 2022, 02:14:41 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 12, 2022, 04:42:21 PM
The album was a Monster.

It is still one of my all time favourites.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on June 13, 2022, 02:15:05 AM
Quote from: kyjo on June 12, 2022, 08:49:09 PM
Welcome back, Fergus! :)

Thank you kindly, Kyle.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 13, 2022, 06:14:24 AM
Quote from: springrite on June 13, 2022, 01:12:12 AM
Mostly gone for a few months, but I am beginning to post again, though very occasionally...

Great to see you, Paul.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 13, 2022, 06:14:42 AM
Quote from: kyjo on June 12, 2022, 08:48:32 PM
I sent him a PM yesterday. No response yet - I'll keep you all updated.....

8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on June 13, 2022, 06:24:27 AM
Quote from: springrite on June 13, 2022, 01:12:12 AM
Mostly gone for a few months (good to see that hardly anyone noticed...), but I am beginning to post again, though very occasionally...

Always a pleasure to see you, dear fellow!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 13, 2022, 07:07:59 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 13, 2022, 06:24:27 AM
Always a pleasure to see you, dear fellow!
+1
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on June 13, 2022, 04:27:30 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 13, 2022, 06:24:27 AM
Always a pleasure to see you, dear fellow!

+ 2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on June 20, 2022, 06:35:25 PM
I wonder why HIPster didn't continue contributing on this forum anymore.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on June 20, 2022, 07:22:11 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on June 20, 2022, 06:35:25 PM
I wonder why HIPster didn't continue contributing on this forum anymore.

He probably left around the time that US politics were seeping into the music threads. Many members left around this time, so around 2017 or so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 20, 2022, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on June 20, 2022, 06:35:25 PM
I wonder why HIPster didn't continue contributing on this forum anymore.
I'm sorry about that as well. Our musical tastes were different but we had a v nice PM exchange at one time. I know that he became the father of twins a few years ago, so I guess that they keep him busy!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on June 21, 2022, 03:32:19 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 20, 2022, 07:22:11 PM
He probably left around the time that US politics were seeping into the music threads. Many members left around this time, so around 2017 or so.

He was posting until 2020.

Quote from: vandermolen on June 20, 2022, 10:28:34 PM
...I know that he became the father of twins a few years ago, so I guess that they keep him busy!

...along with the daily litany of, "are you one the computer again? The babies need changing." :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: VonStupp on June 29, 2022, 06:46:11 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on May 13, 2022, 05:57:27 AM
I guess PD/Pohjolas Daughter must be busy with other things; usually quite active, but hasn't been around for a couple of weeks ...

Quote from: vandermolen on May 13, 2022, 06:46:06 AM
Lost in Tuonela again? I hope that she returns soon.

Indeed! A kind, welcoming, positive voice on GMG whose absence has kept the cat thread woefully dusty. I hope all is well with her!  :)

VS
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on June 29, 2022, 08:36:59 AM
Quote from: VonStupp on June 29, 2022, 06:46:11 AM
Indeed! A kind, welcoming, positive voice on GMG whose absence has kept the cat thread woefully dusty. I hope all is well with her!  :)

VS

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 29, 2022, 02:46:09 PM
Quote from: VonStupp on June 29, 2022, 06:46:11 AM
Indeed! A kind, welcoming, positive voice on GMG whose absence has kept the cat thread woefully dusty. I hope all is well with her!  :)

VS

I'm somewhat worried about PD. She registered November 2018 and posted almost every single day until April 30. 2022. Since then, she has not posted at all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 30, 2022, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 29, 2022, 02:46:09 PM
I'm somewhat worried about PD. She registered November 2018 and posted almost every single day until April 30. 2022. Since then, she has not posted at all.
Yes, I agree. I sent her a PM but no reply. I hope that she is ok. She helped keep the favourite walk thread alive as well as the cat thread and was a very active, good-natured, and frequent contributor.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on July 01, 2022, 03:52:51 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 29, 2022, 02:46:09 PM
I'm somewhat worried about PD. She registered November 2018 and posted almost every single day until April 30. 2022. Since then, she has not posted at all.

:(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on July 01, 2022, 03:59:28 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 29, 2022, 02:46:09 PM
I'm somewhat worried about PD. She registered November 2018 and posted almost every single day until April 30. 2022. Since then, she has not posted at all.
+1. I look forward to her return...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 01, 2022, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: ritter on July 01, 2022, 03:59:28 AM
+1. I look forward to her return...

Me too. A very caring person, a rare commodity on internet forums  :-*.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 01, 2022, 12:29:57 PM
Aye, we sorely miss her!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 02, 2022, 12:04:40 AM
Quote from: André on July 01, 2022, 12:26:39 PM
Me too. A very caring person, a rare commodity on internet forums  :-*.

I agree André
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 06, 2022, 12:34:13 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on June 30, 2022, 10:51:05 PM
Yes, I agree. I sent her a PM but no reply. I hope that she is ok. She helped keep the favourite walk thread alive as well as the cat thread and was a very active, good-natured, and frequent contributor.

I, too, have sent a PM to PD but, unfortunately, I too have received no reply. I hope that she is OK but, if not, that she is being taken care of.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 06, 2022, 01:54:15 AM
Quote from: aligreto on July 06, 2022, 12:34:13 AM
I, too, have sent a PM to PD but, unfortunately, I too have received no reply. I hope that she is OK but, if not, that she is being taken care of.
Hi Fergus,
This did happen once before and she did eventually return. I'm hoping that, sooner or later, she will reappear, but it is a bit worrying.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 06, 2022, 02:56:40 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 06, 2022, 01:54:15 AM
Hi Fergus,
This did happen once before and she did eventually return. I'm hoping that, sooner or later, she will reappear, but it is a bit worrying.

Now that you say it I do remember, Jeffrey.
Hopefully PD is OK.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 06, 2022, 03:03:29 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 06, 2022, 01:54:15 AM
Hi Fergus,
This did happen once before and she did eventually return. I'm hoping that, sooner or later, she will reappear, but it is a bit worrying.

That's true. She suddenly broke off April 2019 and returned February 2020.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Szykneij on July 06, 2022, 06:27:02 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 06, 2022, 03:03:29 AM
That's true. She suddenly broke off April 2019 and returned February 2020.

Hopefully, she's out enjoying her garden and will return with the changing season.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 06, 2022, 06:30:37 AM
Quote from: Szykneij on July 06, 2022, 06:27:02 AM
Hopefully, she's out enjoying her garden and will return with the changing season.

I agree completely with this and cross my fingers for her.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on July 07, 2022, 08:17:54 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 06, 2022, 01:54:15 AM
Hi Fergus,
This did happen once before and she did eventually return. I'm hoping that, sooner or later, she will reappear, but it is a bit worrying.

+1

Regarding cilgwyn, he sent me a very kind and characteristically enthusiastic reply to my message to him at the Art-Music Forum. I interpreted his reason that he's no longer active on GMG as being the forum was encouraging him to spend too much money on CDs; he also mentioned that he had accidentally deleted his account one night when he had one too many (;D). So nothing too serious, I guess....I once again encouraged him to return but haven't heard back yet.... :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 07, 2022, 08:41:01 PM
Thanks, Kyle, good to know your message to cilgwyn didn't go unnoticed. He should come back. That forum is getting spiritless more and more. A shame.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 08, 2022, 01:02:30 AM
Quote from: kyjo on July 07, 2022, 08:17:54 PM
+1

Regarding cilgwyn, he sent me a very kind and characteristically enthusiastic reply to my message to him at the Art-Music Forum. I interpreted his reason that he's no longer active on GMG as being the forum was encouraging him to spend too much money on CDs; he also mentioned that he had accidentally deleted his account one night when he had one too many (;D). So nothing too serious, I guess....I once again encouraged him to return but haven't heard back yet.... :-\
That's reassuring to know Kyle and thank you for letting us know. I had quite a lot of interactions (often humorous) with him on the forum and wondered if I'd offended him in some way (although I couldn't think how) when his account suddenly vaporised. I shall always be grateful to him for introducing me to the marvellous 'A Vision of Judgement' by P. Racine Fricker.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 08, 2022, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: kyjo on July 07, 2022, 08:17:54 PM
+1

Regarding cilgwyn, he sent me a very kind and characteristically enthusiastic reply to my message to him at the Art-Music Forum. I interpreted his reason that he's no longer active on GMG as being the forum was encouraging him to spend too much money on CDs; he also mentioned that he had accidentally deleted his account one night when he had one too many (;D). So nothing too serious, I guess....I once again encouraged him to return but haven't heard back yet.... :-\

Excellent news, Kyle. 8) I don't think I've interacted too often with cilgwyn, but I recall he was quite knowledgeable and was easy to get along with. His reason for leaving makes zero sense to me, but this was his choice. Hopefully, he will return at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on July 08, 2022, 07:48:05 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 08, 2022, 07:29:17 PM
Excellent news, Kyle. 8) I don't think I've interacted too often with cilgwyn, but I recall he was quite knowledgeable and was easy to get along with. His reason for leaving makes zero sense to me, but this was his choice. Hopefully, he will return at some point in the future.

He's not the first person to leave for the sake of his budget. Remember Octave?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 08, 2022, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: JBS on July 08, 2022, 07:48:05 PM
He's not the first person to leave for the sake of his budget. Remember Octave?

But to leave the forum for this reason without any explanation to anyone else is bizarre to me. I mean I'm not saying that any of us deserve an explanation, but when you've communicated with someone for so long and log in the next day and they've deleted their account is kind of odd, wouldn't you say? Also, the other Jeffrey left many messages with cilgwyn and he never got with him on any of them and they had an excellent rapport with each other.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 08, 2022, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 08, 2022, 08:38:29 PM
But to leave the forum for this reason without any explanation to anyone else is bizarre to me. I mean I'm not saying that any of us deserve an explanation, but when you've communicated with someone for so long and log in the next day and they've deleted their account is kind of odd, wouldn't you say? Also, the other Jeffrey left many messages with cilgwyn and he never got with him on any of them and they had an excellent rapport with each other.
I think that I sent him two PMs at different times; one on an earlier occasion, which I did get a nice response to.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 09, 2022, 06:27:38 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 08, 2022, 09:51:43 PM
I think that I sent him two PMs at different times; one on an earlier occasion, which I did get a nice response to.

Very nice, Jeffrey. Maybe, one day, he'll return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 11, 2022, 05:03:10 AM
Quote from: kyjo on July 07, 2022, 08:17:54 PM
+1

Regarding cilgwyn, he sent me a very kind and characteristically enthusiastic reply to my message to him at the Art-Music Forum. I interpreted his reason that he's no longer active on GMG as being the forum was encouraging him to spend too much money on CDs; he also mentioned that he had accidentally deleted his account one night when he had one too many (;D). So nothing too serious, I guess....I once again encouraged him to return but haven't heard back yet.... :-\

:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on July 16, 2022, 12:01:42 AM
I see KlassiskDronning has deleted his account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on July 16, 2022, 02:46:23 AM
The name, ~ClassicalQueen, could suggest a female.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on July 16, 2022, 03:13:07 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on July 16, 2022, 02:46:23 AM
The name, ~ClassicalQueen, could suggest a female.

Yes, I did wonder (I know a little bit of Danish, as well as loving Berwald's Drottningen av Golconda), but s/he mainly posted about Heavy Metal in the brief time s/he was a member - again, not purely a male interest...  Perhaps I should have translated my post into Finnish, as s/he did on one occasion, which would have solved the problem  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 16, 2022, 03:53:23 AM
Quote from: DaveF on July 16, 2022, 12:01:42 AM
I see KlassiskDronning has deleted his account.

But he/she has apparently re-registered yesterday (se members-register).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on July 16, 2022, 05:09:46 AM
Ah, good - I thought we deserved more than a couple of days.

I see in another post that "most guys do admit I am pretty".  Looking more and more likely that she's a lady.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 16, 2022, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on July 16, 2022, 02:46:23 AM
The name, ~ClassicalQueen, could suggest a female.

Or not.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 16, 2022, 10:12:17 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on July 16, 2022, 02:46:23 AM
The name, ~ClassicalQueen, could suggest a female.

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 16, 2022, 07:28:50 AM
Or not.

Well, the word queen makes me rather think of a drag.  :-\
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 16, 2022, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 16, 2022, 10:12:17 AM
Well, the word queen makes me rather think of a drag.  :-\

There is indeed that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on July 16, 2022, 02:28:37 PM
You could just ASK, people.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 16, 2022, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: Madiel on July 16, 2022, 02:28:37 PM
You could just ASK, people.
;D

I don't get where that preoccupation came from, but the Queen is part of a worrisome trend recently where people are friendly to a newcomer in the "welcome" section, then become needlessly hostile when the new person starts posting elsewhere. Judging by the reaction, you'd think finding Franz Schubert cute was a human rights violation.

I think it's probably because we have almost all known each other for years now and are unaccustomed to people having different perspectives. Whatever the reason, I hope the board is more welcoming in future.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: VonStupp on July 16, 2022, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: Brian on July 16, 2022, 02:56:02 PM
[...] but the Queen is part of a worrisome trend recently where people are friendly to a newcomer in the "welcome" section, then become needlessly hostile when the new person starts posting elsewhere. Judging by the reaction, you'd think finding Franz Schubert cute was a human rights violation.

I don't think I characterized this as such in my reply within the Schubert thread.

The question was posed whether or not you think Schubert was attractive, and I answered that I didn't and explained why from a fairly accurate historical perspective as I understand them (short, squat, destructive drinker, and syphilitic are in fact not qualities I find particularly attractive all at once). Queen took offense at that summation personally it seems.

I do think Coffee and Queen were reacted to harshly in their recent thread creations though, and if I was a product of that, I will attend to it better.

VS
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 16, 2022, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: VonStupp on July 16, 2022, 03:57:52 PM
I don't think I characterized this as such in my reply within the Schubert thread.

The question was posed whether or not you think Schubert was attractive, and I answered that I didn't and explained why from a fairly accurate historical perspective as I understand them (short, squat, destructive drinker, and syphilitic are in fact not qualities I find particularly attractive all at once). Queen took offense at that summation personally it seems.

I do think Coffee and Queen were reacted to harshly in their recent thread creations though, and if I was a product of that, I will attend to it better.

VS
Definitely not attributing it to you specifically (and I did think it funny how small of an objection syphilis was to them  ;D )
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on July 16, 2022, 04:24:10 PM
For the record, and whether goaded or not, the Danish metal person became highly abusive to some of the posters here, which is why the account was deleted. The same person attempted to re-register as ~ClassicalQueen, and was excised again.

Nothing wrong with metal fans here -- I know we have many -- but to burst into a classical music forum (and with somewhat preconceived notions about classical listeners), seeking instant affirmation for a different art form, and then getting angry at the tepid response (to put it mildly) is a bit naïve.

Carry on.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 16, 2022, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: Madiel on July 16, 2022, 02:28:37 PM
You could just ASK, people.

I respect their privacy, even if they sashay in a Schubert thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on July 17, 2022, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 16, 2022, 04:37:48 PM
I respect their privacy, even if they sashay in a Schubert thread.

Well no, you don't. The reason I said that you could just ask is because all of the speculation here on this other thread is not "respecting their privacy".

It's academic now in this particular case.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Arsenic33 on July 17, 2022, 06:20:12 AM
Quote from: Brewski on July 16, 2022, 04:24:10 PM
For the record, and whether goaded or not, the Danish metal person became highly abusive to some of the posters here, which is why the account was deleted. The same person attempted to re-register as ~ClassicalQueen, and was excised again.

Nothing wrong with metal fans here -- I know we have many -- but to burst into a classical music forum (and with somewhat preconceived notions about classical listeners), seeking instant affirmation for a different art form, and then getting angry at the tepid response (to put it mildly) is a bit naïve.

Carry on.

--Bruce

Hello Bruce I am so sorry I really didn't mean to post anything against the community guidelines or abusive content. I misunderstood their comments I took it too negatively. Please don't delete my account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on July 17, 2022, 06:41:20 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 16, 2022, 02:56:02 PM
;DI think it's probably because we have almost all known each other for years now and are unaccustomed to people having different perspectives. Whatever the reason, I hope the board is more welcoming in future.

My particular response to this member (KlassiskDronning) was in their metal thread and I answered honestly and there was some good feedback in that thread from various members. If you ask a question, especially one that is of a subjective nature, then expect to get different responses, but it didn't come as a surprise that many members don't care much about metal. As for the member Coffee, I could've definitely been much nicer and I won't deny I acted rather harshly to the idea of his thread idea. I suppose my post in the metal thread was more a reaction to my more negative responses to Coffee and trying to do better.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on July 17, 2022, 07:36:58 AM
Quote from: Arsenic33 on July 17, 2022, 06:20:12 AM
Hello Bruce I am so sorry I really didn't mean to post anything against the community guidelines or abusive content. I misunderstood their comments I took it too negatively. Please don't delete my account.

Apology accepted. Please enjoy the board, and all the helpful people here.  :)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Arsenic33 on July 17, 2022, 07:38:01 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 16, 2022, 10:12:17 AM
Well, the word queen makes me rather think of a drag.  :-\

Just to clarify, I was using the actual terminology
Of "Queen" meaning female ruler, which ultimately originates from old Norse/Anglo-Saxon Kvine/cwen meaning "woman"
Look it up in any dictionary it will show you the etymology of the word.
Of course "drag queen" is a male actor playing a woman.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Arsenic33 on July 17, 2022, 07:39:06 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on July 16, 2022, 02:46:23 AM
The name, ~ClassicalQueen, could suggest a female.

Of course I am a female.💋
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on July 17, 2022, 07:57:59 AM
Quote from: Arsenic33 on July 17, 2022, 07:39:06 AM
Of course I am a female.💋

Thank you for the update on the matter :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 17, 2022, 08:35:00 AM
We all of us were simply DYING to know ....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 17, 2022, 08:40:02 AM
Quote from: Arsenic33 on July 17, 2022, 07:38:01 AM
Just to clarify, I was using the actual terminology
Of "Queen" meaning female ruler, which ultimately originates from old Norse/Anglo-Saxon Kvine/cwen meaning "woman"
Look it up in any dictionary it will show you the etymology of the word.
Of course "drag queen" is a male actor playing a woman.

Well, the translation to "Queen" was a bit confusing, since this word has several more meanings than "Dronning". But thanks for the clarification.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on July 17, 2022, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: Brewski on July 17, 2022, 07:36:58 AM
Apology accepted. Please enjoy the board, and all the helpful people here.  :)

...and the other people here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 09:12:03 AM
Any person who cannot stand, or take as a personal insult,  the least criticism of their beliefs / taste / customs has no business registering on any internet board. Just saying.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: VonStupp on July 16, 2022, 03:57:52 PM
The question was posed whether or not you think Schubert was attractive, and I answered that I didn't and explained why from a fairly accurate historical perspective as I understand them (destructive drinker, and syphilitic

Aber, aber, mein lieber Herr Von Stupp --- those two conditiions were fairly common back then. Excluding drinking* and syphilitic people from one's company in the early 19th century meant turning oneself into a reclusive monk.  ;D

*back then it was safer to drink wine or beer than water, to begin with...  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 17, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 09:22:58 AM
Aber, aber, mein lieber Herr Von Stupp --- those two conditiions were fairly common back then. Excluding drinking* and syphilitic people from one's company in the early 19th century meant turning oneself into a reclusive monk.  ;D

*back then it was safer to drink wine or beer than water, to begin with...  ;)

Of course, the specific obection was destructive drinker. There was nothing especially prudish about VS's exceptions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 09:36:02 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 17, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Of course, the specific obection was destructive drinker. There was nothing especially prudish about VS's exceptions.

What evidence is there for Schubert being a destructive drinker?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 17, 2022, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 09:36:02 AM
What evidence is there for Schubert being a destructive drinker?

That is more than I can speak to. Just reporting that this was the non-monastic objection ....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 17, 2022, 09:49:32 AM
That is more than I can speak to. Just reporting that this was the non-monastic objection ....

Oh, but I never implied Von Stupp was prudish. My reply was good-humoured.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 17, 2022, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
Oh, but I never implied Von Stupp was prudish. My reply was good-humoured.  :)

So it was.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: VonStupp on July 17, 2022, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: Florestan on July 17, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
Oh, but I never implied Von Stupp was prudish. My reply was good-humoured.  :)

I have been called worse; just, please, don't call me late for dinner!  :laugh:

VS
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 24, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Hello everyone. Just to say I received a PM from Pohjola's Daughter to say that she is fine and has just been busy with other things.
I thought that despite being on holiday I would temporaily reconnect with my Cat Group to pass on this welcome news.
:)
PD said 'thank you so much for your concern...I hadn't meant to worry you guys'.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on July 24, 2022, 12:40:21 PM
Great news ! Thanks Jeffrey !
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 24, 2022, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 24, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Hello everyone. Just to say I received a PM from Pohjola's Daughter to say that she is fine and has just been busy with other things.
I thought that despite being on holiday I would temporaily reconnect with my Cat Group to pass on this welcome news.
:)
PD said 'thank you so much for your concern...I hadn't meant to worry you guys'.

Thanks Jeffrey for being so persistent - glad to hear the news!   :)  Dave
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on July 24, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 24, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Hello everyone. Just to say I received a PM from Pohjola's Daughter to say that she is fine and has just been busy with other things.
I thought that despite being on holiday I would temporaily reconnect with my Cat Group to pass on this welcome news.
:)
PD said 'thank you so much for your concern...I hadn't meant to worry you guys'.

Thanks. I'm very relieved.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on July 24, 2022, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 24, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Thanks. I'm very relieved.  :)

+ 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on July 24, 2022, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 24, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Hello everyone. Just to say I received a PM from Pohjola's Daughter to say that she is fine and has just been busy with other things.
I thought that despite being on holiday I would temporaily reconnect with my Cat Group to pass on this welcome news.
:)
PD said 'thank you so much for your concern...I hadn't meant to worry you guys'.

My cat was happy to hear the good news!  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on July 24, 2022, 10:08:27 PM
My pleasure guys. Always pleased to pass on good news.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on July 25, 2022, 02:05:15 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 24, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Hello everyone. Just to say I received a PM from Pohjola's Daughter to say that she is fine and has just been busy with other things.
I thought that despite being on holiday I would temporaily reconnect with my Cat Group to pass on this welcome news.
:)
PD said 'thank you so much for your concern...I hadn't meant to worry you guys'.

Excellent news indeed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on July 25, 2022, 05:17:22 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 24, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Hello everyone. Just to say I received a PM from Pohjola's Daughter to say that she is fine and has just been busy with other things.
I thought that despite being on holiday I would temporarily reconnect with my Cat Group to pass on this welcome news.
:)
PD said 'thank you so much for your concern...I hadn't meant to worry you guys'.

And another thanks, Jeffrey. "Busy with other things" sounds good. GMG is a great little community, but it's also good to get offline and say, go chat with people in real life! (Acknowledging that the pandemic has often changed things.)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on July 25, 2022, 06:24:00 AM
That is good to hear!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 01, 2022, 02:45:15 PM
I see Pohjola's Daughter is back. 8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on August 01, 2022, 10:27:06 PM
I'm back as well... Decided last night to leave, but this morning I changed my mind.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 02, 2022, 12:58:54 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 01, 2022, 02:45:15 PM
I see Pohjola's Daughter is back. 8)
Indeed - that's good news.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 02, 2022, 12:59:32 AM
Quote from: Que on August 01, 2022, 10:27:06 PM
I'm back as well... Decided last night to leave, but this morning I changed my mind.  :D
Great decision!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on August 02, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 02, 2022, 12:59:32 AM
Great decision!  8)

Thank you, thank you!!  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 02, 2022, 06:21:00 AM
Quote from: Que on August 01, 2022, 10:27:06 PM
I'm back as well... Decided last night to leave, but this morning I changed my mind.  :D

La nuit porte conseil... ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on August 02, 2022, 06:24:25 AM
Quote from: Que on August 02, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
Thank you, thank you!!  8)
Good to have you back....you were sorely missed!

Anyone heard from Symphonic Addict? He's always been very active, but hasn't shown up here since mid-July...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on August 02, 2022, 06:33:15 AM
Quote from: ritter on August 02, 2022, 06:24:25 AM

Anyone heard from Symphonic Addict? He's always been very active, but hasn't shown up here since mid-July...

Hopefully just taking an annual holiday, perhaps.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 02, 2022, 09:05:25 AM
Quote from: aligreto on August 02, 2022, 06:33:15 AM
Hopefully just taking an annual holiday, perhaps.
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 02, 2022, 01:58:34 PM
Hi all! Just wanted to pop in and say hello since I haven't been active here over the past few weeks. I've been busy studying and performing at a summer music festival lately, and in a few weeks I'll be resuming my graduate studies. I'll try to make more of an effort to post here in the coming weeks, so apologies for my absence! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on August 02, 2022, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: kyjo on August 02, 2022, 01:58:34 PM
Hi all! Just wanted to pop in and say hello since I haven't been active here over the past few weeks. I've been busy studying and performing at a summer music festival lately, and in a few weeks I'll be resuming my graduate studies. I'll try to make more of an effort to post here in the coming weeks, so apologies for my absence! :)

Try not to be too much of a stranger, Kyle.
Your contributions are valuable here.
Keep us posted, at least, on your progress in your career.
Best of luck to you in the future!
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 02, 2022, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: kyjo on August 02, 2022, 01:58:34 PM
Hi all! Just wanted to pop in and say hello since I haven't been active here over the past few weeks. I've been busy studying and performing at a summer music festival lately, and in a few weeks I'll be resuming my graduate studies. I'll try to make more of an effort to post here in the coming weeks, so apologies for my absence! :)

Remind me what grad program you pursue, Kyle?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 02, 2022, 03:14:06 PM
Quote from: aligreto on August 02, 2022, 02:15:55 PM
Try not to be too much of a stranger, Kyle.
Your contributions are valuable here.
Keep us posted, at least, on your progress in your career.
Best of luck to you in the future!
:)

Very sweet. + 1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on August 02, 2022, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: kyjo on August 02, 2022, 01:58:34 PM
Hi all! Just wanted to pop in and say hello since I haven't been active here over the past few weeks. I've been busy studying and performing at a summer music festival lately, and in a few weeks I'll be resuming my graduate studies. I'll try to make more of an effort to post here in the coming weeks, so apologies for my absence! :)

It's good to get off social media now and then. And especially with good things happening! No apologies needed, sounds like you're having a great summer, and you're welcome here whenever you choose to pop in.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 02, 2022, 11:53:42 PM
Quote from: aligreto on August 02, 2022, 02:15:55 PM
Try not to be too much of a stranger, Kyle.
Your contributions are valuable here.
Keep us posted, at least, on your progress in your career.
Best of luck to you in the future!
:)
+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 03, 2022, 05:35:18 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 02, 2022, 11:53:42 PM
+1

+2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on August 04, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
This will be my final post on GMG and I just want to thank everyone here who has showed me kindness and, most of all, understanding. I deleted my Facebook a day or so ago, but I won't delete my account here.

To be even more direct, I'm not going to be on a forum when a certain member here who I looked up to and I thought was a friend is a regular contributing member here. Why not just put this member on ignore? Well, because the ignore function doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Anyway, it's just easy to leave and let him have his way, because there's nothing I can say or do that will change such immaturity. Life's too short for that shit.

I WILL NOT BE BACK AND I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY MORE POSTS HERE OR PRIVATELY. I'll simply post on another forum where I'm actually respected and not treated as some kind of ingrate because I have a different political view.

Take care everyone!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on August 04, 2022, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 04, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
This will be my final post on GMG and I just want to thank everyone here who has showed me kindness and, most of all, understanding. I deleted my Facebook a day or so ago, but I won't delete my account here.

To be even more direct, I'm not going to be on a forum when a certain member here who I looked up to and I thought was a friend is a regular contributing member here. Why not just put this member on ignore? Well, because the ignore function doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Anyway, it's just easy to leave and let him have his way, because there's nothing I can say or do that will change such immaturity. Life's too short for that shit.

I WILL NOT BE BACK AND I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY MORE POSTS HERE OR PRIVATELY. I'll simply post on another forum where I'm actually respected and not treated as some kind of ingrate because I have a different political view.

Take care everyone!
Very sorry to hear this John.
Thank you for your extraordinary generosity towards me.
Online forums can bring out the worst (and best) in people.
I hope that we keep in touch somehow.
All good wishes
Jeffrey
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on August 04, 2022, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 04, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
This will be my final post on GMG and I just want to thank everyone here who has showed me kindness and, most of all, understanding. I deleted my Facebook a day or so ago, but I won't delete my account here.

To be even more direct, I'm not going to be on a forum when a certain member here who I looked up to and I thought was a friend is a regular contributing member here. Why not just put this member on ignore? Well, because the ignore function doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Anyway, it's just easy to leave and let him have his way, because there's nothing I can say or do that will change such immaturity. Life's too short for that shit.

I WILL NOT BE BACK AND I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY MORE POSTS HERE OR PRIVATELY. I'll simply post on another forum where I'm actually respected and not treated as some kind of ingrate because I have a different political view.

Take care everyone!
Quote from: vandermolen on August 04, 2022, 10:05:57 PM
Very sorry to hear this John.
Thank you for your extraordinary generosity towards me.
Online forums can bring out the worst (and best) in people.
I hope that we keep in touch somehow.
All good wishes
Jeffrey

+1
I'm very sorry to learn that and I hope there's still a chance you'll come back one day; anyway, thank you for everything and for all the good musical suggestions you gave me.
All the best and take care!
Ilaria
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on August 05, 2022, 12:41:18 AM
???

I'm looking at MI's recent posts and not seeing any blow out political argument.

Hope this just looks like a moments fancy after a good night's sleep.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on August 05, 2022, 01:23:32 AM
I'd like to point out that if there are any issues - with other members or with the ignore function - we moderators would like to know. We cannot see what's going on behind the scenes via PMs.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on August 05, 2022, 02:15:10 AM
Well, this is sad.

It is only a short time ago that I actively persuaded John to stay after someone was shockingly horrible to him. I feel I can say that publicly in the circumstances.

I've no idea what has happened this time around, but it's thoroughly disappointing to see someone who was clearly here to talk about music being driven away over something other than music.

I do hope he comes back one day, though I also understand that it might be difficult.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on August 05, 2022, 02:34:21 AM
I don't really know what has happened, but hope that he'll turn up, being a significant & informed contributor here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 05, 2022, 02:36:32 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on August 05, 2022, 02:34:21 AM
I don't really know what happened, but hope that he'll turn up, being a significant & informed contributor here.

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on August 05, 2022, 03:38:57 AM
I read a book called Digital Minimalism and tried to limit my time a bit on this forum, completely cut off Reddit and YouTube, and switch to having the Times delivered to my Nook instead of trawling news feeds.

When MI also backed off like me, I actually thought he was doing the same thing!  Whatever you think of MI's bizarre love/fetish for all modern music ;D... it is not a good thing for the most active poster in the community to no longer feel welcome.  I hope he returns so we can get back to fighting over Gielen vs Boulez in Mahler.  I might go to the other forum sometime and tell him how my Aho adventure has been going.

As of my time here thanks to MI and friends I have discovered or rediscovered
Aho
Tubin
Pettersson
Martinu
The Dux recordings of Penderecki
... and many more!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on August 05, 2022, 11:24:05 AM
Wish you luck, MI, whether you decide to come or go. Thanks for some interesting pointers along the way.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: classicalgeek on August 05, 2022, 11:50:32 AM
I'm saddened to read about John leaving - I hope he reconsiders after some time away. Our tastes in music largely overlap, and he has given me countless tips along the way for composers and works to explore - and I can see I'm far from the only one who has benefitted from his presence here!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 05, 2022, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: Que on August 05, 2022, 01:23:32 AM
I'd like to point out that if there are any issues - with other members or with the ignore function - we moderators would like to know. We cannot see what's going on behind the scenes via PMs.

FWIW, I have had no trouble with the Ignore function.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 05, 2022, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: Iota on August 05, 2022, 11:24:05 AM
Wish you luck, MI, whether you decide to come or go.

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 05, 2022, 02:16:32 PM
Hi John - sorry to see you go - there aren't many GMGers near me geographically so have enjoyed out discussions of local geography - will miss your help when I sort out my collection for advice on culling and adding!  8)

Good luck down in Georgia and hope that you sort out the issues mentioned - of course 'never say never' - many of us would like to see you back.  Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on August 05, 2022, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 05, 2022, 11:59:19 AM
FWIW, I have had no trouble with the Ignore function.

And thank you for that. After a few inquiries lately, I wasn't sure whether it was working. And just to reiterate: we rely on reports from others. The moderators have no idea if it's working, since we are not allowed to put anyone on "Ignore." (Blessing or curse?  8) )

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on August 05, 2022, 02:31:18 PM
I certainly HAVE had trouble with the ignore function, which was fixed as recently as last week.

After malfunctioning for years. I did report the malfunction initially but in hindsight I didn't report it to the right channel.

What worries me now is wondering whether John was one of the people it was malfunctioning for, and no-one told him about the fix like they told me.

Some readers will understand.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on August 05, 2022, 02:34:02 PM
Quote from: Madiel on August 05, 2022, 02:31:18 PM
I certainly HAVE had trouble with the ignore function, which was fixed as recently as last week.

After malfunctioning for years.

Some readers will understand.

Thank you. I will send another note to Rob. (Granted, he may or may not be able to do much about it -- and may or may not be around or have the time to do so -- but he should definitely know.)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on August 05, 2022, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: Brewski on August 05, 2022, 02:34:02 PM
Thank you. I will send another note to Rob. (Granted, he may or may not be able to do much about it -- and may or may not be around or have the time to do so -- but he should definitely know.)

--Bruce

I doubt he can do anything about it, the particular quirk was probably just a limitation of the software.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on August 05, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Madiel on August 05, 2022, 02:31:18 PM
I certainly HAVE had trouble with the ignore function, which was fixed as recently as last week.

After malfunctioning for years. I did report the malfunction initially but in hindsight I didn't report it to the right channel.

What worries me now is wondering whether John was one of the people it was malfunctioning for, and no-one told him about the fix like they told me.

Some readers will understand.

What is so mysterious about this "fix" that it can't be referred to? Was it about not being able to ignore a user whose name itself had quotes in it?

The obvious limitation of the ignore feature is that it only ignores the text of posts by the ignored user and you will still see that the ignored user has posted, and you will see the ignored user's text when it is quoted by a non-ignored user. I find the sites ignore function to be of limited use and I have spent years cultivating a mental ignore function.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on August 05, 2022, 07:57:06 PM
The "mystery" as you put it is simply that it's very hard to know what is okay to say publicly about some of this stuff.

Not least because some of what WAS said publicly was deleted by moderators. Some (not all) of our moderators frankly seem more interested in sweeping problems under the carpet rather than solving them. I express my appreciation to those who do aim to address problems rather than suppress them.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on August 06, 2022, 12:40:08 AM
Quote from: Madiel on August 05, 2022, 07:57:06 PM
... it's very hard to know what is okay to say publicly about some of this stuff.


I'm sad that John has decided to step out. I will miss his enthusiasm for music and the warmth of his dealings with me, both publicly and via IM. I know he isn't universally appreciated, and understand fully why that is the case. Sometimes his posts make me wince, and at others his self-reflective honesty and kindness surprise me. I am disappointed to lose his contact and contribution.

I don't enjoy conflict. Recent weeks and the tone of some of the GMG threads have left me feeling sad - to the point that I've returned simply to reading rather than participating.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on August 06, 2022, 02:57:34 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on August 06, 2022, 12:40:08 AM
I'm sad that John has decided to step out. I will miss his enthusiasm for music and the warmth of his dealings with me, both publicly and via IM. I know he isn't universally appreciated, and understand fully why that is the case. Sometimes his posts make me wince, and at others his self-reflective honesty and kindness surprise me. I am disappointed to lose his contact and contribution.

I don't enjoy conflict. Recent weeks and the tone of some of the GMG threads have left me feeling sad - to the point that I've returned simply to reading rather than participating.

And see, this makes ME sad, because I really enjoy your explorations of music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 06, 2022, 06:42:29 AM
Quote from: Madiel on August 06, 2022, 02:57:34 AM
And see, this makes ME sad, because I really enjoy your explorations of music.

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on August 06, 2022, 07:10:11 AM
Quote from: Madiel on August 06, 2022, 02:57:34 AM
And see, this makes ME sad, because I really enjoy your explorations of music.

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Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 06, 2022, 09:32:43 AM
I cannot understand why a GMG member should leave out because another GMG member is a jerk. Heck, the world at large is full of jerks --- namely, for anything one states, there is at least one person who takes it as a personal offense --- I couldn't care less about it --- if we cared about everything we said then we should shut up once and for all lest we offend somebody --- let's just close down GMG for good.



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 06, 2022, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on August 06, 2022, 12:40:08 AM
I don't enjoy conflict.

Avoiding conflict is the easiest thing online. Just don't reply to any post you find offensive.  ;)

Honestly, easier said than done.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on August 06, 2022, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 06, 2022, 09:32:43 AM
I cannot understand why a GMG member should leave out because another GMG member is a jerk. Heck, the world at large is full of jerks --- namely, for anything one states, there is at least one person who takes it as a personal offense --- I couldn't care less about it --- if we cared about everything we said then we should shut up once and for all lest we offend somebody --- let's just close down GMG for good.

Agree.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 06, 2022, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: Florestan on August 06, 2022, 09:32:43 AM
I cannot understand why a GMG member should leave out because another GMG member is a jerk. Heck, the world at large is full of jerks --- namely, for anything one states, there is at least one person who takes it as a personal offense --- I couldn't care less about it --- if we cared about everything we said then we should shut up once and for all lest we offend somebody --- let's just close down GMG for good.

Andrei, your in box is full.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on August 06, 2022, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 06, 2022, 10:17:17 AM
Andrei, your in box is full.

Not anymore, Karl!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on August 06, 2022, 01:56:57 PM
Quote from: Florestan on August 06, 2022, 09:32:43 AM
I cannot understand why a GMG member should leave out because another GMG member is a jerk. Heck, the world at large is full of jerks --- namely, for anything one states, there is at least one person who takes it as a personal offense --- I couldn't care less about it --- if we cared about everything we said then we should shut up once and for all lest we offend somebody --- let's just close down GMG for good.

Some jerks mean more than others.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on August 07, 2022, 01:41:11 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 04, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
This will be my final post on GMG and I just want to thank everyone here who has showed me kindness and, most of all, understanding. I deleted my Facebook a day or so ago, but I won't delete my account here.

To be even more direct, I'm not going to be on a forum when a certain member here who I looked up to and I thought was a friend is a regular contributing member here. Why not just put this member on ignore? Well, because the ignore function doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Anyway, it's just easy to leave and let him have his way, because there's nothing I can say or do that will change such immaturity. Life's too short for that shit.

I WILL NOT BE BACK AND I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY MORE POSTS HERE OR PRIVATELY. I'll simply post on another forum where I'm actually respected and not treated as some kind of ingrate because I have a different political view.

Take care everyone!

I have not been posting on GMG for a few days so I am coming late to this situation. This is most regrettable.

It would seem that we have yet another casualty on our music thread as a result of "political differences" which makes this loss all the more lamentable.

It is not clear from John's post whether the "ignore" issue is on Facebook or on GMG.

If it is on GMG, there have been issues in the past with the "ignore" function here on GMG. However, this issue has recently been resolved and one can now "ignore" any member if they so wish. If John feels that the issue is here on GMG I would encourage him to contact our moderators to discuss the grievance. I can vouch that he will receive a speedy and fair response to any grievance that he might have. In my experience the moderator to be approached must be open to the grievance and specifics of that grievance must be cited, to be fair, along with a possible solution. The discussion is certainly worth entering into, John.

One should never leave this or any other forum for fear of being bullied.

There may, of course, be two sides to this story. We do not know the facts of the case here, to be fair. However, I strongly believe that bullies should be called out for what they are. There should be a zero tolerance for these faceless cowards who hide behind internet anonymity. As others have alluded to above, John [Mirror Image] is too valuable an asset to this forum to lose because of [perceived] bullying.


Perhaps John will take a Time Out, Reflect and Return in due course. I also certainly hope that he will.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 07, 2022, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: aligreto on August 02, 2022, 02:15:55 PM
Try not to be too much of a stranger, Kyle.
Your contributions are valuable here.
Keep us posted, at least, on your progress in your career.
Best of luck to you in the future!
:)

Thank you very much, aligreto! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 07, 2022, 07:41:32 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 02, 2022, 02:36:37 PM
Remind me what grad program you pursue, Kyle?

I am now pursuing my MM in Cello Performance at Indiana University Bloomington. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 07, 2022, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 04, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
This will be my final post on GMG and I just want to thank everyone here who has showed me kindness and, most of all, understanding. I deleted my Facebook a day or so ago, but I won't delete my account here.

To be even more direct, I'm not going to be on a forum when a certain member here who I looked up to and I thought was a friend is a regular contributing member here. Why not just put this member on ignore? Well, because the ignore function doesn't even do what it's supposed to do. Anyway, it's just easy to leave and let him have his way, because there's nothing I can say or do that will change such immaturity. Life's too short for that shit.

I WILL NOT BE BACK AND I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY MORE POSTS HERE OR PRIVATELY. I'll simply post on another forum where I'm actually respected and not treated as some kind of ingrate because I have a different political view.

Take care everyone!

Very sad to read this, John. It's a shame that someone was so disrespectful towards you, but I do hope you'll reconsider coming back to GMG. You have far more friends than enemies here. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on August 08, 2022, 01:54:26 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 07, 2022, 07:41:01 PM
Thank you very much, aligreto! :)

How very nice of you to drop by and say hello  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on August 08, 2022, 04:36:00 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 07, 2022, 07:41:32 PM
I am now pursuing my MM in Cello Performance at Indiana University Bloomington. :)
Great!

My son is at the same school, finishing his Ph. D. in law(he should be defending his dissertation next spring). I visited some years ago, and was very impressed by the Bloomington campus.

My son  being a music lover like his dad, he feels privileged to be able to attend performances (particularly operas) presented by the Music School, which by any standard is among the most prestigious in the world.

Best wishes!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on August 08, 2022, 04:52:16 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 07, 2022, 07:41:32 PM
I am now pursuing my MM in Cello Performance at Indiana University Bloomington. :)

Quote from: ritter on August 08, 2022, 04:36:00 AM
Great!

My son is at the same school, finishing his Ph. D. in law(he should be defending his dissertation next spring). I visited some years ago, and was very impressed by the Bloomington famous.

my son  being a music lover like his dad, he feels privileged to be able to attend performances (particularly operas) presented by the Music School, which by any standard is among the most prestigious in the world.

Best wishes!

And another Indiana Bloomington connection: my brother-in-law went there to study voice, and had a fairly successful operatic career. He met my sister when they were both singing at the Houston Grand Opera. From his reports, and these two here, and many others -- yes, it's an excellent music school.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: André on August 08, 2022, 04:54:48 AM
Quote from: aligreto on August 07, 2022, 01:41:11 AM
I have not been posting on GMG for a few days so I am coming late to this situation. This is most regrettable.

It would seem that we have yet another casualty on our music thread as a result of "political differences" which makes this loss all the more lamentable.

It is not clear from John's post whether the "ignore" issue is on Facebook or on GMG.

If it is on GMG, there have been issues in the past with the "ignore" function here on GMG. However, this issue has recently been resolved and one can now "ignore" any member if they so wish. If John feels that the issue is here on GMG I would encourage him to contact our moderators to discuss the grievance. I can vouch that he will receive a speedy and fair response to any grievance that he might have. In my experience the moderator to be approached must be open to the grievance and specifics of that grievance must be cited, to be fair, along with a possible solution. The discussion is certainly worth entering into, John.

One should never leave this or any other forum for fear of being bullied.

There may, of course, be two sides to this story. We do not know the facts of the case here, to be fair. However, I strongly believe that bullies should be called out for what they are. There should be a zero tolerance for these faceless cowards who hide behind internet anonymity. As others have alluded to above, John [Mirror Image] is too valuable an asset to this forum to lose because of [perceived] bullying.


Perhaps John will take a Time Out, Reflect and Return in due course. I also certainly hope that he will.

Same here.

And amen to all of what you wrote.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on August 08, 2022, 05:17:19 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 07, 2022, 07:41:32 PM
I am now pursuing my MM in Cello Performance at Indiana University Bloomington. :)
Excellent!  :)  Good luck with that!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 08, 2022, 09:09:48 AM
Quote from: ritter on August 08, 2022, 04:36:00 AM
Great!

My son is at the same school, finishing his Ph. D. in law(he should be defending his dissertation next spring). I visited some years ago, and was very impressed by the Bloomington campus.

My son  being a music lover like his dad, he feels privileged to be able to attend performances (particularly operas) presented by the Music School, which by any standard is among the most prestigious in the world.

Best wishes!

What a coincidence, Rafael! It is a small world after all. :D The IU campus is beautiful indeed, and I'm really looking forward to studying there!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 08, 2022, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: Brewski on August 08, 2022, 04:52:16 AM
And another Indiana Bloomington connection: my brother-in-law went there to study voice, and had a fairly successful operatic career. He met my sister when they were both singing at the Houston Grand Opera. From his reports, and these two here, and many others -- yes, it's an excellent music school.

--Bruce

Thanks for sharing, Bruce! I'm honored to be attending a school with so many distinguished alumni. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 08, 2022, 09:49:13 AM
I didn't attend IU, but I was born and raised in Columbus, 30 miles to the east, where the semi-professional Columbus Philharmonic is frequently made up of IU students. That was my first introduction to orchestral music of any kind, and its then-conductor, David Bowden, won national awards for adventurous programming. For many years my mom was on the orchestra's board, and (it being a small outfit) she used to put snacks in the dressing-rooms for guest artists. André Watts married a Columbus girl and made an annual appearance with the orchestra while visiting family. I hope they're still around and hope you get to play for them. To prepare, you can listen to their Naxos appearance:

(https://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/25/22/0730099492225_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on August 08, 2022, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 08, 2022, 09:11:01 AM
Thanks for sharing, Bruce! I'm honored to be attending a school with so many distinguished alumni. :)
Kyjo,

I'd love to know if you encounter any professors who were there at the time and knew Janos Starker and had any stories/views/news which they would care to share with you.  He's a favorite cellist of mine.  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on August 08, 2022, 10:26:04 AM
Whoa, the Pacifica Quartet are faculty there? You better join a chamber group!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 08, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: Brewski on August 08, 2022, 04:52:16 AM
And another Indiana Bloomington connection: my brother-in-law went there to study voice, and had a fairly successful operatic career. He met my sister when they were both singing at the Houston Grand Opera. From his reports, and these two here, and many others -- yes, it's an excellent music school.

--Bruce

My son (North Carolina born but from a family of Big Ten graduates, i.e. the U of Michigan) went to IU in the early 1990s - we also love the beauty of the Bloomington campus and the 'hilly' southern Indiana topography (and the movie below which I own as a HD streamer from Amazon) - his major was in telecommunications w/ a minor in computer science - met his Indiana wife there (graduated the same year) and now live in Indianapolis (have not done in a visit in nearly 3 years w/ COVID isolation and not wanting to take a plane).  Good luck kyjo w/ your musical degree.  Dave :)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51X5N8foW3L.jpg)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on August 08, 2022, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on August 08, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
My son (North Carolina born but from a family of Big Ten graduates, i.e. the U of Michigan) went to IU in the early 1990s - we also love the beauty of the Bloomington campus and the 'hilly' southern Indiana topography (and the movie below which I own as a HD streamer from Amazon) - his major was in telecommunications w/ a minor in computer science - met his Indiana wife there (graduated the same year) and now live in Indianapolis (have not done in a visit in nearly 3 years w/ COVID isolation and not wanting to take a plane).  Good luck kyjo w/ your musical degree.  Dave :)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51X5N8foW3L.jpg)

Thanks for that! Despite having been in Indiana, I have never been to Bloomington. And appreciate the nod to Breaking Away, which I had not thought about in many years. PS, sorry to hear of your (understandable) COVID isolation, but hope that changes soon. It's been a long spell for many. Even now, I'm back to a "no NYC travel" mode, with too many cases in the last few months.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 08, 2022, 01:36:44 PM
Quote from: Brewski on August 08, 2022, 01:11:29 PM
Thanks for that! Despite having been in Indiana, I have never been to Bloomington. And appreciate the nod to Breaking Away, which I had not thought about in many years. PS, sorry to hear of your (understandable) COVID isolation, but hope that changes soon. It's been a long spell for many. Even now, I'm back to a "no NYC travel" mode, with too many cases in the last few months.

--Bruce

Hi Bruce - in June my son rented a house in Knoxville, TN - we met there (little longer drive for him) - house was great (put up some pics in one of the threads) - we ordered delivery food for 4 nights which was well done (plenty of options and quite good meals).  We'll likely plan a similar meeting in the fall somewhere in-between.  Stay safe - Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on August 08, 2022, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on August 08, 2022, 01:36:44 PM
Hi Bruce - in June my son rented a house in Knoxville, TN - we met there (little longer drive for him) - house was great (put up some pics in one of the threads) - we ordered delivery food for 4 nights which was well done (plenty of options and quite good meals).  We'll likely plan a similar meeting in the fall somewhere in-between.  Stay safe - Dave :)

Oh good, glad to hear on all fronts.  :)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: dhibbard on August 08, 2022, 07:19:18 PM
Quote from: Brewski on August 08, 2022, 01:11:29 PM
Thanks for that! Despite having been in Indiana, I have never been to Bloomington. And appreciate the nod to Breaking Away, which I had not thought about in many years. PS, sorry to hear of your (understandable) COVID isolation, but hope that changes soon. It's been a long spell for many. Even now, I'm back to a "no NYC travel" mode, with too many cases in the last few months.

--Bruce

Ah yes.... I am a grad of IU also.... with an Accounting/Business degree and Music Minor...   fond memories of Foster quad and Johnston Dorm in the GRC. 
1980s grad.... Bloomington and the hills around it are wonderful!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on August 09, 2022, 12:48:00 AM
Bloomers all over the place it seems.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:17:48 PM
Quote from: Brian on August 08, 2022, 09:49:13 AM
I didn't attend IU, but I was born and raised in Columbus, 30 miles to the east, where the semi-professional Columbus Philharmonic is frequently made up of IU students. That was my first introduction to orchestral music of any kind, and its then-conductor, David Bowden, won national awards for adventurous programming. For many years my mom was on the orchestra's board, and (it being a small outfit) she used to put snacks in the dressing-rooms for guest artists. André Watts married a Columbus girl and made an annual appearance with the orchestra while visiting family. I hope they're still around and hope you get to play for them. To prepare, you can listen to their Naxos appearance:

(https://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/25/22/0730099492225_600.jpg)

That's really interesting, Brian! I'll see if the Columbus (IN) Philharmonic is holding any auditions soon. ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:19:56 PM
Quote from: Brian on August 08, 2022, 10:26:04 AM
Whoa, the Pacifica Quartet are faculty there? You better join a chamber group!

Yep, that was definitely a huge draw for me! I'll be studying with the Pacifica's cellist, Brandon Vamos, and have a string quartet formed for the fall semester.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 09, 2022, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:19:56 PM
Yep, that was definitely a huge draw for me! I'll be studying with the Pacifica's cellist, Brandon Vamos, and have a string quartet formed for the fall semester.

Fabulous!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on August 08, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
My son (North Carolina born but from a family of Big Ten graduates, i.e. the U of Michigan) went to IU in the early 1990s - we also love the beauty of the Bloomington campus and the 'hilly' southern Indiana topography (and the movie below which I own as a HD streamer from Amazon) - his major was in telecommunications w/ a minor in computer science - met his Indiana wife there (graduated the same year) and now live in Indianapolis (have not done in a visit in nearly 3 years w/ COVID isolation and not wanting to take a plane).  Good luck kyjo w/ your musical degree.  Dave :)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51X5N8foW3L.jpg)

Thanks, Dave! The Bloomington area definitely is beautiful with its rolling hills and generous foliage. I find it significantly more appealing to the eye than the much flatter landscape of central and nothern Indiana - it's known as the "the gateway to scenic southern Indiana" for good reason! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: dhibbard on August 08, 2022, 07:19:18 PM
Ah yes.... I am a grad of IU also.... with an Accounting/Business degree and Music Minor...   fond memories of Foster quad and Johnston Dorm in the GRC. 
1980s grad.... Bloomington and the hills around it are wonderful!!

Woah, I wasn't expecting to hear about so many IU/Bloomington connections in this thread! Thanks for sharing, everyone. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Iota on August 09, 2022, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:19:56 PM
Yep, that was definitely a huge draw for me! I'll be studying with the Pacifica's cellist, Brandon Vamos, and have a string quartet formed for the fall semester.

Exciting!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on August 09, 2022, 01:10:48 PM
Quote from: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:19:56 PM
Yep, that was definitely a huge draw for me! I'll be studying with the Pacifica's cellist, Brandon Vamos, and have a string quartet formed for the fall semester.

Very nice! Best of luck with everything.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: bhodges on August 09, 2022, 03:50:42 PM
Quote from: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:19:56 PM
Yep, that was definitely a huge draw for me! I'll be studying with the Pacifica's cellist, Brandon Vamos, and have a string quartet formed for the fall semester.

Another awe-struck congratulations here. The Pacifica Quartet are one of the best groups in the country right now, so...wow.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on August 09, 2022, 04:27:38 PM
We knew him before he was famous, etc etc.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on August 10, 2022, 09:10:45 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 09, 2022, 12:30:23 PM
Woah, I wasn't expecting to hear about so many IU/Bloomington connections in this thread! Thanks for sharing, everyone. :)

I've just finished Jeremy Denk's book Every Good Boy Does Fine, which includes an account of his time at Bloomington as a student of György Sebők (who was, inevitably, a great friend of Starker's, who was also there).  Denk comes across as a rather, shall we say, unusual sort of person, but nevertheless managed to have a thoroughly good time - as I hope you do.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on August 10, 2022, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on August 08, 2022, 10:22:07 AM
Kyjo,

I'd love to know if you encounter any professors who were there at the time and knew Janos Starker and had any stories/views/news which they would care to share with you.  He's a favorite cellist of mine.  :)

PD

Hi PD, my former teacher from my time at Carnegie Mellon University studied with Starker at IU and had the highest opinion of and respect for him. From what I've heard, Starker had a very high standard for his students, and was frequently intimidating towards them for the sole purpose of giving them the experience of performing under pressure, not because he was a mean or sadistic person. Apparently, he would always be smoking a cigar pretty much up until the day he died! I'll let you know of any more interesting stories I hear about the man. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on August 11, 2022, 05:54:54 AM
Quote from: kyjo on August 10, 2022, 03:53:10 PM
Hi PD, my former teacher from my time at Carnegie Mellon University studied with Starker at IU and had the highest opinion of and respect for him. From what I've heard, Starker had a very high standard for his students, and was frequently intimidating towards them for the sole purpose of giving them the experience of performing under pressure, not because he was a mean or sadistic person. Apparently, he would always be smoking a cigar pretty much up until the day he died! I'll let you know of any more interesting stories I hear about the man. :)
Thanks!

A few years ago I read this book by him and quite enjoyed it:  https://www.amazon.com/World-Music-According-Starker/dp/0253344522

There also used to be a video of him when he was on the younger side on youtube, but it was taken down.  It was of him performing Kodaly's Sonata for Solo Cello and was in black and white.  I want to say that it was from the 1950's.  Sad that it is no longer there.  I suspect that it was taken down by his family (foundation??); I would be happy to purchase a copy of it.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mapman on August 11, 2022, 06:30:52 AM
I'll probably be away from the forum for about two weeks. There's no need to worry about where I am until the end of August!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on August 11, 2022, 07:53:58 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on August 08, 2022, 10:22:07 AMI'd love to know if you encounter any professors who were there at the time and knew Janos Starker and had any stories/views/news which they would care to share with you.  He's a favorite cellist of mine.  :)

You probably know the often told anecdote involving Reiner. Starker was the principal Cello of the Chicago Symphony and was about to leave. They were rehearsing for what might have been his final performance with the CSO and Reiner gave a speech about how much they would miss him. During the rehearsal (the Verdi Requiem, perhaps) Starker became distracted at some point and, after a long rest, entered one bar early. Reiner became enraged, shouted at Starker and threw his baton forcefully on the ground so that it broke in half. The unflappable starker replied, "am I not allowed one mistake?" Later the orchestra presented Starker with a gold tie pin in the shape of a broken baton.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on August 11, 2022, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: Mapman on August 11, 2022, 06:30:52 AM
I'll probably be away from the forum for about two weeks. There's no need to worry about where I am until the end of August!

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on August 11, 2022, 08:07:12 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on August 11, 2022, 07:53:58 AM
You probably know the often told anecdote involving Reiner. Starker was the principal Cello of the Chicago Symphony and was about to leave. They were rehearsing for what might have been his final performance with the CSO and Reiner gave a speech about how much they would miss him. During the rehearsal (the Verdi Requiem, perhaps) Starker became distracted at some point and, after a long rest, entered one bar early. Reiner became enraged, shouted at Starker and threw his baton forcefully on the ground so that it broke in half. The unflappable starker replied, "am I not allowed one mistake?" Later the orchestra presented Starker with a gold tie pin in the shape of a broken baton.
Yes, I've heard that one before.   ;)  But thanks!   :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on September 03, 2022, 11:47:37 AM
Is John (Mirror Image) really gone? I'm surprised!

That's unfortunate.  :-[
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on September 03, 2022, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on September 03, 2022, 11:47:37 AM
Is John (Mirror Image) really gone? I'm surprised!

That's unfortunate.  :-[
Apparently so.  :(

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 03, 2022, 01:31:32 PM
After dramatic exits from the forum in the past he has normally returned after some weeks or months. The pattern may repeat itself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 03, 2022, 01:51:41 PM
He has also deleted his Facebook account so I have no way of contacting him - a shame.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: wind- on September 03, 2022, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 03, 2022, 01:51:41 PM
He has also deleted his Facebook account so I have no way of contacting him - a shame.

Mirror Image is still active at Steve Hoffman forum, half dozen posts today. You could try there.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 03, 2022, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on September 03, 2022, 11:47:37 AM
Is John (Mirror Image) really gone? I'm surprised!

That's unfortunate.  :-[
He's done this so many times before that I imagine he'll be back soon enough. Sometimes he dramatically announces his departure and comes back a week later, but there was another occasion where he went through a phase not listening to classical. This is longer than usual though. We'll see.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 03, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
This one felt different.

It also came a few weeks after I'd persuaded him not to leave, so the feelings were building up.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on September 03, 2022, 03:15:02 PM
He hasn't deleted his account, there still might be the chance he could return some day. I hope so, because he has always been a very valuable member of this forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on September 03, 2022, 06:13:14 PM
Has anyone heard from Andre? He hasn't logged in since August 21, and I don't remember him mentioning anything about traveling.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 04, 2022, 05:39:16 AM
Quote from: wind- on September 03, 2022, 02:24:26 PM
Mirror Image is still active at Steve Hoffman forum, half dozen posts today. You could try there.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 18, 2022, 07:05:32 AM
Quote from: JBS on September 03, 2022, 06:13:14 PM
Has anyone heard from Andre? He hasn't logged in since August 21, and I don't remember him mentioning anything about traveling.

I noticed Andre was logged in yesterday, after 4 weeks absence.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 18, 2022, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 18, 2022, 07:05:32 AM
I noticed Andre was logged in yesterday, after 4 weeks absence.
Good news.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on September 18, 2022, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 18, 2022, 07:05:32 AM
I noticed Andre was logged in yesterday, after 4 weeks absence.

Excellent. Thank you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on September 18, 2022, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: wind- on September 03, 2022, 02:24:26 PM
Mirror Image is still active at Steve Hoffman forum, half dozen posts today. You could try there.
How can that forum be interestng for classical lovers?

Retoric question.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on September 26, 2022, 01:04:14 PM
So MI is still gone?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 26, 2022, 01:13:18 PM
Who? j/k ....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2022, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: DavidW on September 26, 2022, 01:04:14 PM
So MI is still gone?

More to the point, although Andre logged in on Sept 17, he has not made a post since August 12. There are those who leave the site with grand, histrionic declarations, and there are those who just vanish, almost in mid sentence.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 26, 2022, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2022, 01:31:43 PM
More to the point, although Andre logged in on Sept 17, he has not made a post since August 12. There are those who leave the site with grand, histrionic declarations, and there are those who just vanish, almost in mid sentence.
This is why the return of Keemun gives me hope. Among the sudden disappearances, I miss Lethevich and Opus106.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2022, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: Brian on September 26, 2022, 05:34:50 PM
This is why the return of Keemun gives me hope. Among the sudden disappearances, I miss Lethevich and Opus106.

I'm constantly tortured by the loss of Lethevich, because her name keeps appearing as the member who started "The Unimportant News Thread." Gone since January 2013, but not forgotten. Looking at ancient threads is always an interesting exercise, because of the disappeared posters that you come across (and ones still here).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 26, 2022, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 26, 2022, 08:46:13 PM
I'm constantly tortured by the loss of Lethevich, because her name keeps appearing as the member who started "The Unimportant News Thread." Gone since January 2013, but not forgotten. Looking at ancient threads is always an interesting exercise, because of the disappeared posters that you come across (and ones still here).
+1 Arthur. I was looking at some of her comments in a thread yesterday. Yes, sometimes it's sad looking at old threads as so many contributors have disappeared for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 26, 2022, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: DavidW on September 26, 2022, 01:04:14 PM
So MI is still gone?

So people are still talking about him?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on September 28, 2022, 06:14:36 AM
Quote from: Madiel on September 26, 2022, 11:21:25 PM
So people are still talking about him?

Still sad to see him gone, bud.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 28, 2022, 06:51:20 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 26, 2022, 10:41:55 PM
+1 Arthur. I was looking at some of her comments in a thread yesterday. Yes, sometimes it's sad looking at old threads as so many contributors have disappeared for whatever reason.

Yes.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 28, 2022, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 28, 2022, 06:14:36 AM
Still sad to see him gone, bud.

I'm sure you are. I'm less sure about some other people's feelings on the matter.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 28, 2022, 09:11:48 AM
Well, I miss John too and his avatar changes.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 28, 2022, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: Florestan on September 28, 2022, 09:11:48 AM
Well, I miss John too and his avatar changes.  :D

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 28, 2022, 01:26:57 PM
Yeah. See, this is the kind of thing of thing that is underlying the commentary. Smart little jokes, and chuckles from Karl when there is evidence to suggest that Karl might be one of the causes of MI leaving in the first place.

Just stop.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 29, 2022, 02:07:29 AM
Quote from: Madiel on September 28, 2022, 01:26:57 PM
there is evidence to suggest that Karl might be one of the causes of MI leaving in the first place.

Where is that evidence? Please adduce it for us all to ponder it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 29, 2022, 02:50:03 AM
Quote from: Madiel on September 28, 2022, 01:26:57 PM
Yeah. See, this is the kind of thing of thing that is underlying the commentary. Smart little jokes, and chuckles from Karl when there is evidence to suggest that Karl might be one of the causes of MI leaving in the first place.

Just stop.

MI has made more than 60,000 posts here. I feel bad that a person to whom this site was obviously important feels so alienated that he feels he has to leave.

But the person responsible for MI leaving is MI.

Quote from: Mirror Image on August 04, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
...I'm not going to be on a forum when a certain member here who I looked up to and I thought was a friend is a regular contributing member here. ...

Just because MI wants someone to be his friend doesn't mean that person (on whose identity you presume to speculate) is required to be MI's friend and can be held responsible for MI's departure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2022, 03:06:01 AM
I didn't say he had to be John's friend. But neither does he have to take what seems to be a kind of satisfaction in John's departure. For one thing it doesn't suit Karl's otherwise genial personality.

The same goes for everyone else. There is a distinct tone in some quarters in mentioning that MI is still gone that people can't quite believe their fortune has persisted.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2022, 03:14:41 AM
Quote from: Florestan on September 29, 2022, 02:07:29 AM
Where is that evidence? Please adduce it for us all to ponder it.

There's a thread where John was upset when he worked out that he was on the ignore list. I'm not in a position to hunt it down right now.

I'm not suggesting moral fault. I am just saying that the relationship between two of them, or rather the lack of one, was something that was upsetting John significantly at the time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 29, 2022, 07:41:43 AM
Quote from: Madiel on September 29, 2022, 03:14:41 AM
There's a thread where John was upset when he worked out that he was on the ignore list. I'm not in a position to hunt it down right now.

I'm not suggesting moral fault. I am just saying that the relationship between two of them, or rather the lack of one, was something that was upsetting John significantly at the time.

MI stated that he left because of a political divergence he had on Facebook with another GMG member whom he considered a friend. Who that GMGer might be it's a matter of speculation into which I would not venture as it's none of my business and I have no interest in knowing it for sure. I just recall that earlier this year MI had a public divergence on GMG with a member other than Karl, but it wasn't political at all and both parties eventually agreed to drop the whole matter as being ultimately childish. MI rarely disclosed his political views and when he did he came out as a moderate and a centrist. I really can't picture him engaged in bitter political controversies, but life is full of surprises.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on September 29, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
Mirror Image was a bully, a loudmouth, and a homophobe. He also struggled with mental health issues and frequently followed up his worst attacks on other GMG members by saying that he had forgotten to take medication. He was also a widely-listened person who was a tremendous resource about various recordings and obscure repertoire. And he was generous with his time and attention.

I have refrained from discussing his departure since it took place. Both because it seems tasteless, and because I expect him back at any moment. ( ;D )

But we might as well say three things:
(1) Given his contributions and his character, it is natural to have mixed feelings. I do. I'm glad certain discussions can take place without him loudly repeating ad nauseam that he disapproves of those discussions. I'm glad he isn't replying to me telling me I'm "wrong" to like or dislike something. I also frequently wish I could ask him about a particular recording or see if he thinks a certain obscure composer is worthwhile, or wish he was around to read my reports on new releases that he would like.

(2) It is frivolous to blame anyone else for his choices and actions, and rude to hunt for a person to blame and expect them to issue a statement like a politician.

(3) I hope that MI finds the help he needs, whatever form it may take, to lead a happier life and have healthier relationships with other people. He made me sad more than he made me mad. May he grow, find support, gain perspective, and flourish.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 29, 2022, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: Brian on September 29, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
Mirror Image was a bully, a loudmouth,

I'm not so sure about the first part. Loudmouth be certainly was sometimes, so he could have seemed to you or others who didn't know him well as a bully, but I didn't perceive him this way, especially since when admonished he was rather quick in acknowledging his bad behaviour and apologizing for it.

Quoteand a homophobe.

I humbly ask you to produce the evidence for that claim.

QuoteHe also struggled with mental health issues and frequently followed up his worst attacks on other GMG members by saying that he had forgotten to take medication.

I really don't recall any instance of this, but you are much younger than me so your memory might be much better than mine. Please refresh mine: where did he say that?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on September 29, 2022, 12:16:01 PM
With increasing amazement I read what is being said here, to be honest I find it a bit distasteful to talk about a currently absent person in this way.
Just my thoughts .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2022, 01:39:38 PM
As a gay man I have zero recollection of ever thinking he was a homophobe.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on September 29, 2022, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: Traverso on September 29, 2022, 12:16:01 PM
With increasing amazement I read what is being said here, to be honest I find it a bit distasteful to talk about a currently absent person in this way.
Just my thoughts .

Two souls - one thought.

I was just about thinking of writing a similar post.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 29, 2022, 03:29:29 PM
I do miss John's contributions, but I find his leaving disconcerting because of a person's attitude. He and anybody shouldn't care for what others say or think. Hopefully he'll come back sooner than later.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on September 29, 2022, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: Madiel on September 28, 2022, 09:08:24 AM
I'm sure you are. I'm less sure about some other people's feelings on the matter.

I miss his presence.  He led me to some great listening off the beaten track in the 20th century.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on September 29, 2022, 03:43:45 PM
Anyway I'm sorry for bringing it up, I wasn't expecting... this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 29, 2022, 05:34:12 PM
Quote from: DavidW on September 29, 2022, 03:43:45 PM
Anyway I'm sorry for bringing it up, I wasn't expecting... this.

NOBODY expects ....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on September 29, 2022, 05:38:03 PM
I think MI's presence has an impact in expanding everyone's musical horizons. I do note that the Purchases Today thread is not as busy as it was

Meanwhile, does anyone know of a way to contact Andre outside GMG?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 29, 2022, 05:38:14 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 29, 2022, 05:34:12 PM
NOBODY expects ....

In Spain they probably do.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 29, 2022, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: JBS on September 29, 2022, 05:38:03 PMMeanwhile, does anyone know of a way to contact Andre outside GMG?

I thought I might have his e-mail address, but in that I appear to be mistaken.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 29, 2022, 06:23:26 PM
Quote from: JBS on September 29, 2022, 05:38:03 PMMeanwhile, does anyone know of a way to contact Andre outside GMG?

The default forum setting is to send an email when a user receives a PM, so sending a GMG PM is probably equivalent to emailing. Of course we don't know if Andre has disabled this setting. I wonder if anyone has sent Andre a PM.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 29, 2022, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: JBS on September 29, 2022, 05:38:03 PM
I think MI's presence has an impact in expanding everyone's musical horizons. I do note that the Purchases Today thread is not as busy as it was

I don't think the numbers support that.

This last week there were 21 posts on the Purchases thread. The prior week there were 48. That averages to about 34 posts per week. I picked a random week in July before MI left, there were 31, of which 6 were by MI himself, leaving 25 by everyone else. If there are fewer posts on the purchases thread I'd say it's because MI made 20% of the posts and those posts are now gone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: MusicTurner on September 30, 2022, 01:01:08 AM
Quote from: (: premont :) on September 29, 2022, 03:03:54 PM
Two souls - one thought.

I was just about thinking of writing a similar post.

Agree, actually an intensified amount of bad vibes on the forum recently.

Now, what could possibly be a source for it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on September 30, 2022, 02:07:29 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on September 30, 2022, 01:01:08 AM
Agree, actually an intensified amount of bad vibes on the forum recently.

Now, what could possibly be a source for it.
+3

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 02:35:46 AM
Quote from: MusicTurner on September 30, 2022, 01:01:08 AM
Agree, actually an intensified amount of bad vibes on the forum recently.

Now, what could possibly be a source for it.

I think it is a timely reminder to all of us to think carefully about our tone and words before we hit 'send'. Sometimes I wonder whether a snarky or angry comment might be better considered after a few minutes fetching a cup of coffee, re-reading, and then sending something. I really enjoy this space, but I agree that some of the ad hominems and personally critical comments have affected my enjoyment and willingness to participate. I think if you look at the site stats below from August and September since the departure of certain members, and what I have perceived as an increase in less measured comments, there is a real dip in engagement day to day; certainly significantly fewer new posts. People are still reading, because we still have as many lurking and casual views from folk who tend not to comment. I suspect that the vast number of already existing valuable and knowledgeable comments and posts will keep that casual surfing and reading as high as it ever is. Whether new engagement will pick up again, may depend on how the spirit of the site continues going forward, and whether we increase our personal contributions to make up for those departing.

Everyone has always been very kind to me, and I think most of us usually are, but how we speak to others and how we speak about others, matters. We all bring our sensitivities and need for kindness to the forum, I think. I would like to think it could be a safer space because of our carefulness.

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+ September 2022   54                   5219           2230                   330                   2433157
+ August 2022           49                   5798           34                   140                   1839518
+ July 2022           73                   6906           34                   585                   2639757
+ June 2022           59                   6706           113                   156                   2360932
+ May 2022           56                   6382           31                   145                   3629870
+ April 2022           48                   6317           33                   140                   3169233
+ March 2022           56                   6199           31                   145                   2754773
+ February 2022   56                   6689           35                   159                   2272844
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on September 30, 2022, 03:01:13 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 02:35:46 AM

  We all bring our sensitivities and need for kindness to the forum, I think. I would like to think it could be a safer space because of our carefulness.




The best way to damage this forum is through seemingly negligent gossip and backbiting. There's probably a certain appeal to spreading suspicions and slandering others. This just has to stop. Be respectful to others as you would like to be treated yourself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 30, 2022, 03:16:32 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 02:35:46 AM


Yearly Summary   New Topics   New Posts   New Members   Most Online   Page views

+ September 2022   54                   5219           2230            330                   2433157
+ August 2022         49                   5798           34                   140                   1839518
+ July 2022           73                   6906           34                   585                   2639757
+ June 2022           59                   6706           113                   156                   2360932
+ May 2022           56                   6382           31                   145                   3629870
+ April 2022           48                   6317           33                   140                   3169233
+ March 2022           56                   6199           31                   145                   2754773
+ February 2022   56                   6689           35                   159                   2272844

Well, August and September are vacation months.

What strikes me is someting else: 2230 (!) new members in September, really?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on September 30, 2022, 03:52:30 AM
Quote from: Florestan on September 30, 2022, 03:16:32 AM
Well, August and September are vacation months.

What strikes me is someting else: 2230 (!) new members in September, really?

Very noticing Andrei  :)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2022, 04:27:51 AM
Quote from: JBS on September 29, 2022, 05:38:03 PM
I think MI's presence has an impact in expanding everyone's musical horizons. I do note that the Purchases Today thread is not as busy as it was

Meanwhile, does anyone know of a way to contact Andre outside GMG?

I've tried to email André to check that he is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 30, 2022, 05:10:35 AM
Who does not miss John's good contributions?

And of course, Davey's query was simply mild surprise (understandable, given John's history) that he'd not returned.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 30, 2022, 06:33:45 AM
Greetings!

I have a few spare minutes: right now, my house sounds like the cave of the Nibelungen as they hammer away!

A new roof is being placed on our house: they should finish around lunch time. 

I cannot do much in the garage on my most recent furniture refinishing project, which has occupied me the past weeks, for various reasons stemming from the roofers.

And I cannot concentrate on either music or novels due to the rat-a-tat-tat.   0:)

Anyway, M. - John - I. did have his less than savory moments, but I just ignored them, if I happened to see them.

I think I have been here for c. 20 years now, and a good number of people have left, who were "curious" in their writing.

How many recall "Saul" (I believe he had a Georgian or Armenian name (Dzoreshvili maybe?) ), who raised up Mendelssohn to the status of divinity and composed bland little things, which would have been bland little things in 1830?

Or the incredible Pink Harp  ?!!!  He (I assume he was a man) was obsessed with Pelleas and Melisande by Debussy.

Like Saul, almost every conversation was turned into a comment on Pelleas et Melisande!

Attempts to steer him toward other works usually failed, even the Schoenberg and Sibelius works based on Maeterlinck's masterpiece were of no interest.

I once knew a German, a very nice man, who had discovered that his family had origins in Silesia, and this knowledge absolutely obsessed him.  No conversation was complete without Silesia appearing in it!

z.B. 

"Ah!  Heute ist das Wetter herrlich!"  (Ah, today the weather is marvelous!)

"Ja, bestimmt, aber in Schlesien ist das Wetter immer herrlich!"  (Yes, agreed, but in Silesia the weather is always marvelous!) 

Yes, "always" was used!   :D

Anyway, we all have our interests, and even our obsessions, and occasionally - especially on the Internet! - tone is sometimes difficult to ascertain.  I was once writing to an acquaintance and made a completely innocent comment about something, and received a massive, nasty screed about how insulting I had been!

That I had no insulting intent, that I never imagined the comment could ever be twisted into an insult, goes without saying!  I was astonished: I decided not to reply and have never heard from the person again.  It seemed that the person was (perhaps unconsciously, perhaps deliberately) looking for a way to cut me off.

It worked!   8)

As a result, I am cautious about seeing possible insults, and look for a way to interpret a perhaps ambiguous comment in a non-insulting way.   0:)

The noise has lessened!  Now I only hear a saw for some reason, and a radio with the thudding, off-key strains of what is called in America "Country Music," which in most cases has nothing to do with rural life or music!   8)





Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 30, 2022, 06:46:14 AM
Quote from: Cato on September 30, 2022, 06:33:45 AM
The noise has lessened!  Now I only hear a saw for some reason...
Not a musical saw?  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 30, 2022, 07:00:59 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 30, 2022, 06:46:14 AM
Not a musical saw?  :)


:D

Seemingly not: it only knew one note!   0:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 30, 2022, 07:04:20 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 02:35:46 AM
Yearly Summary   New Topics   New Posts   New Members   Most Online   Page views

+ September 2022   54                   5219           2230                   330                   2433157
+ August 2022           49                   5798           34                   140                   1839518
+ July 2022           73                   6906           34                   585                   2639757
+ June 2022           59                   6706           113                   156                   2360932
+ May 2022           56                   6382           31                   145                   3629870
+ April 2022           48                   6317           33                   140                   3169233
+ March 2022           56                   6199           31                   145                   2754773
+ February 2022   56                   6689           35                   159                   2272844

I like plotting things, I can't help it. The most interesting thing to me was page views. It goes up and down a lot. There was a big upswing in June. No steep drop-off recently.

I also plotted new posts, both raw and subtracting the average of 500 posts per month we had from MI up until August when he left. It is down in September, but it has moved around by similar levels. There are seasonal variations which would require year on year comparison, and there are probably variations when events stimulate more posting in the political threads.

I haven't verified these numbers, but the most striking thing to me is that 7% of the posts being made on GMG were by one member, MI. (My estimate is based on the figure in MI's profile, 14 posts per day, but that includes periods when he was on hiatus, so I estimated 20 posts per day when he is active.)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 07:16:28 AM
Quote from: Florestan on September 30, 2022, 03:16:32 AM
Well, August and September are vacation months.

What strikes me is someting else: 2230 (!) new members in September, really?

They are, but looking over the August-September stats for the last 10 years show this year as being unusual - not unique, but not far off. Who knows? Stats of this kind are notoriously difficult to analyse.

2230 new members is a real outlier, huh? One would think this would translate to more active members, but it hasn't at all. At all. Makes me wonder about the algorithms/glitches to which the site is subject. Meh. Who knows?


Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 30, 2022, 07:04:20 AM
I like plotting things, I can't help it. The most interesting thing to me was page views. It goes up and down a lot. No steep drop-off recently.

I also plotted new posts, both raw and subtracting the average of 500 posts per month we had from MI up until August when he left. It is down in September, but it has moved around by similar levels. There was a big upswing in June. There are seasonal variations which would require year on year comparison, and there are probably variations when events stimulate more posting in the political threads.



As I say, I think the page views will probably remain a constant with unregistered visitors, lurking members, etc. The wealth of fascinating posts will ensure that no matter the current climate, I think.

You are quite right about the non-music posts. I am certain they affect the stats massively depending on world events. And perhaps even artificially inflate the popularity of the musical elements of the forum. They are certainly responsible for a great deal of the spats and bad feeling seen on the site.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 30, 2022, 07:21:03 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 07:16:28 AMYou are quite right about the non-music posts. I am certain they affect the stats massively depending on world events. And perhaps even artificially inflate the popularity of the musical elements of the forum. They are certainly responsible for a great deal of the spats and bad feeling seen on the site.

Especially since there seems to be detente between the Karajan haters and the Karajanophiles, making the political spats more dominant. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 07:25:53 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 30, 2022, 07:21:03 AM
Especially since there seems to be detente between the Karajan haters and the Karajanophiles, making the political spats more dominant. :)

;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on September 30, 2022, 08:32:24 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 07:16:28 AM
They are, but looking over the August-September stats for the last 10 years show this year as being unusual - not unique, but not far off. Who knows? Stats of this kind are notoriously difficult to analyse.

Oh, I just found that page with forum stats. (Do I really have time for this?)

New Posts and Page Views comparing 2021 and 2022.

In new posts, the dip we saw coming into September this year is similar to what happened last year, perhaps seasonal. The September data is not the same as then previous plot because I retrieved it today, and there have been more posts for September.

Page views are seen to fluctuate a lot. There was a big increase near the end of 2021. Was there a TC crash or something, that sent members here?

Anyway, I see no evidence of a significant falloff of activity in recent months.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on September 30, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: Cato on September 30, 2022, 06:33:45 AM
Greetings!

I have a few spare minutes: right now, my house sounds like the cave of the Nibelungen as they hammer away!

A new roof is being placed on our house: they should finish around lunch time. 

I cannot do much in the garage on my most recent furniture refinishing project, which has occupied me the past weeks, for various reasons stemming from the roofers.

And I cannot concentrate on either music or novels due to the rat-a-tat-tat.   0:)

Anyway, M. - John - I. did have his less than savory moments, but I just ignored them, if I happened to see them.

I think I have been here for c. 20 years now, and a good number of people have left, who were "curious" in their writing.

How many recall "Saul" (I believe he had a Georgian or Armenian name (Dzoreshvili maybe?) ), who raised up Mendelssohn to the status of divinity and composed bland little things, which would have been bland little things in 1830?

Or the incredible Pink Harp  ?!!!  He (I assume he was a man) was obsessed with Pelleas and Melisande by Debussy.

Like Saul, almost every conversation was turned into a comment on Pelleas et Melisande!

Attempts to steer him toward other works usually failed, even the Schoenberg and Sibelius works based on Maeterlinck's masterpiece were of no interest.

I once knew a German, a very nice man, who had discovered that his family had origins in Silesia, and this knowledge absolutely obsessed him.  No conversation was complete without Silesia appearing in it!

z.B. 

"Ah!  Heute ist das Wetter herrlich!"  (Ah, today the weather is marvelous!)

"Ja, bestimmt, aber in Schlesien ist das Wetter immer herrlich!"  (Yes, agreed, but in Silesia the weather is always marvelous!) 

Yes, "always" was used!   :D

Anyway, we all have our interests, and even our obsessions, and occasionally - especially on the Internet! - tone is sometimes difficult to ascertain.  I was once writing to an acquaintance and made a completely innocent comment about something, and received a massive, nasty screed about how insulting I had been!

That I had no insulting intent, that I never imagined the comment could ever be twisted into an insult, goes without saying!  I was astonished: I decided not to reply and have never heard from the person again.  It seemed that the person was (perhaps unconsciously, perhaps deliberately) looking for a way to cut me off.

It worked!   8)

As a result, I am cautious about seeing possible insults, and look for a way to interpret a perhaps ambiguous comment in a non-insulting way.   0:)

The noise has lessened!  Now I only hear a saw for some reason, and a radio with the thudding, off-key strains of what is called in America "Country Music," which in most cases has nothing to do with rural life or music!   8)
We've had continuous drilling from next door all week as our neighbours have all the electric cables stripped out and a new kitchen installed - like a nightmare.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on September 30, 2022, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 30, 2022, 09:09:39 AM

We've had continuous drilling from next door all week as our neighbours have all the electric cables stripped out and a new kitchen installed - like a nightmare.


Oy!  An entire week!  Noise-blocking headphones, please!   0:)

Or fight it with Goetterdaemmerung cranked up to 11!   8)


Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 30, 2022, 07:04:20 AM


I also plotted new posts, both raw and subtracting the average of 500 posts per month we had from MI up until August when he left.


I haven't verified these numbers, but the most striking thing to me is that 7% of the posts being made on GMG were by one member, MI.




Well, as mentioned, I have been here for c. 20 years, and have not yet cracked 10,000!   0:)   

Even if the counting began with the Resurrection of 2007, I suppose I am something of a slacker!   8)

Thanks for the statistics!

Anyway, to return, the missing member whose return would be wonderful is Luke Ottevanger!

Unfortunately, he has been gone for years: I sometimes had contact via his wife on FaceBook, but she has not responded much recently.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 30, 2022, 08:32:24 AM

Anyway, I see no evidence of a significant falloff of activity in recent months.

The more, the merrier, my friend. Quality over quantity, though 🙂
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on September 30, 2022, 01:42:38 PM
This thread alone should cause a late spike in the data.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on September 30, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
The more, the merrier, my friend. Quality over quantity, though 🙂

Forsooth!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 01, 2022, 05:05:59 AM
I just heard from André :)
He is fine but busy with other things at the moment and wanted me to reassure you that he is ok.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 01, 2022, 05:14:10 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 01, 2022, 05:05:59 AM
I just heard from André :)
He is fine but busy with other things at the moment and wanted me to reassure you that he is ok.

Thanks for the news!  Dave  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 01, 2022, 05:35:23 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 01, 2022, 05:05:59 AM
I just heard from André :)
He is fine but busy with other things at the moment and wanted me to reassure you that he is ok.

Busy?  What could be more important than GMG?
:laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on October 01, 2022, 05:52:49 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 01, 2022, 05:05:59 AM
I just heard from André :)
He is fine but busy with other things at the moment and wanted me to reassure you that he is ok.
Good to hear! He's missed, and we hope to welcome him back soon...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 01, 2022, 06:33:31 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 01, 2022, 05:35:23 AM
Busy?  What could be more important than GMG?
:laugh:

;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 01, 2022, 06:52:59 AM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on October 01, 2022, 05:14:10 AM
Thanks for the news!  Dave  :)
My pleasure :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 01, 2022, 07:16:05 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 01, 2022, 08:06:02 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 01, 2022, 05:05:59 AM
I just heard from André :)
He is fine but busy with other things at the moment and wanted me to reassure you that he is ok.

Excellent!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on October 01, 2022, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 01, 2022, 05:05:59 AM
I just heard from André :)
He is fine but busy with other things at the moment and wanted me to reassure you that he is ok.

Thanks for the good news, Jeffrey!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 02, 2022, 02:08:39 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 01, 2022, 06:39:28 PM
Thanks for the good news, Jeffrey!
You are most welcome Cesar.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 02, 2022, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: Brian on September 29, 2022, 08:19:53 AM
Mirror Image was a bully, a loudmouth, and a homophobe. He also struggled with mental health issues and frequently followed up his worst attacks on other GMG members by saying that he had forgotten to take medication. He was also a widely-listened person who was a tremendous resource about various recordings and obscure repertoire. And he was generous with his time and attention.

I have refrained from discussing his departure since it took place. Both because it seems tasteless, and because I expect him back at any moment. ( ;D )

But we might as well say three things:
(1) Given his contributions and his character, it is natural to have mixed feelings. I do. I'm glad certain discussions can take place without him loudly repeating ad nauseam that he disapproves of those discussions. I'm glad he isn't replying to me telling me I'm "wrong" to like or dislike something. I also frequently wish I could ask him about a particular recording or see if he thinks a certain obscure composer is worthwhile, or wish he was around to read my reports on new releases that he would like.

(2) It is frivolous to blame anyone else for his choices and actions, and rude to hunt for a person to blame and expect them to issue a statement like a politician.

(3) I hope that MI finds the help he needs, whatever form it may take, to lead a happier life and have healthier relationships with other people. He made me sad more than he made me mad. May he grow, find support, gain perspective, and flourish.

I wasn't going to post again, but this one from you, Brian, has lured me back out of the sinkhole. Firstly, I'm rather perplexed that you believe me to have mental health issues and for you to, unknowingly, single this out as if it were a flaw in the first-place is, quite frankly, insulting. Those comments about me not taking my medication were only in relation to me being wrong and going off the deep-end with comments that I made to another member. I usually followed these comments up with an emoticon like a smiley face, a wink or a laugh or whatever. In other words, they were jokes. Secondly, you know absolutely NOTHING about me outside of this forum. We've never spoke or have done any face-to-face chatting like I have done with several members namely both Jeffries (Vandermolen and JBS). Yes, I can be a loudmouth and sure, I've been a bully from time-to-time, there's no denying that at all. In fact, the reality is I've always owned up to any of these times that I have been rude or "aggressive" to another member. This isn't someone who has mental health issues, this is someone that's human. Lastly, and most importantly, I'm just someone who's out there trying to share my love of music with people and I'm well-aware in doing so, things can get heated from time to time. The reason they do is because there's passion involved.

Anyway, I'm just trying to be a better person everyday and I can only suggest to you and anyone else to do the same and this decency involves not talking about someone who was absent from the forum and chose not to respond until now.

P. S. I was terribly saddened by also being leveled a 'homophobe', which I certainly am not. One of the people I admire in this world is homosexual. She has a great managerial job, she has a partner and she has two children that she and her partner are raising. This woman is a friend of mine and I admire her choices and, most importantly, her own friendship to me, which has always been about mutual understanding and respect. This person is someone I know within my own life and not some made up person or a person I've met online. I'm proud to know her and her "gay pride" or whatever you want to call it doesn't threaten me nor am I bothered by it --- in fact, I support it. I've made some jokes about homosexual people in the past, but the reality is there are good people in every walk of life and if you've shown me kindness, then I, in return, will show you the same. That's just the kind of person I am, but I've made mistakes and there are scars to show for them.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 02, 2022, 09:07:18 PM
It's good to be back posting and a "hello" to everyone here but I'm not going to post a lot, but I will peek my head in from time to time. Thanks to all who have wished me well. I'm still not sure how I feel about GMG right now given the negative air that I've breathed in from some of the members here whilst re-reading some of the posts on this thread...

Anyway, I'll see you all sometime down the road!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 02, 2022, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 02, 2022, 09:07:18 PM
It's good to be back posting and a "hello" to everyone here but I'm not going to post a lot, but I will peek my head in from time to time. Thanks to all who have wished me well. I'm still not sure how I feel about GMG right now given the negative air that I've breathed in from some of the members here whilst re-reading some of the posts on this thread...

Anyway, I'll see you all sometime down the road!

Although you're not going to spend much time here, it's wonderful to hear from you again, John, welcome back!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 02, 2022, 11:30:12 PM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on October 02, 2022, 10:16:19 PM
Although you're not going to spend much time here, it's wonderful to hear from you again, John, welcome back!  :)

+ 1.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 03, 2022, 01:10:35 AM
Ah, you are back again John! :)
I'm delighted to see that. I have missed your posts here and our contact.
Jeffrey (the British one)
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on October 03, 2022, 04:03:48 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 03, 2022, 01:10:35 AM
Ah, you are back again John! :)
I'm delighted to see that. I have missed your posts here and our contact.
Jeffrey (the British one)
:)

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 03, 2022, 04:13:49 AM
Good to see you, John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 03, 2022, 04:17:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 02, 2022, 09:07:18 PM
It's good to be back posting and a "hello" to everyone here but I'm not going to post a lot, but I will peek my head in from time to time. Thanks to all who have wished me well. I'm still not sure how I feel about GMG right now given the negative air that I've breathed in from some of the members here whilst re-reading some of the posts on this thread...

Anyway, I'll see you all sometime down the road!

Greetings Mirror Image!

Yes, it is grating to have somebody deliver a psychological précis on you from a few comments on Music or whatever!

So, welcome back!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on October 03, 2022, 06:17:29 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 03, 2022, 01:10:35 AM
Ah, you are back again John! :)
I'm delighted to see that. I have missed your posts here and our contact.
Jeffrey (the British one)
:)

+ 2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 03, 2022, 06:24:32 AM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on October 02, 2022, 10:16:19 PM
Although you're not going to spend much time here, it's wonderful to hear from you again, John, welcome back!  :)

Hi John - great to have you back - looking forward to your postings!  Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2022, 06:29:29 AM
Thanks all for the welcome back! It's much appreciated. I do want to say that my posting will be minimal, so please understand that I'm not back on GMG full-time. I'm mainly going to be lurking since I'm deep in the throes of a jazz phase. Take it easy everyone!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on October 03, 2022, 06:30:50 AM
Quote from: Cato on October 03, 2022, 04:17:20 AM
Yes, it is grating to have somebody deliver a psychological précis on you from a few comments on Music or whatever!

It might be interesting to know what the "experts" say about the rest of us. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Roasted Swan on October 03, 2022, 06:37:59 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 02, 2022, 09:07:18 PM
It's good to be back posting and a "hello" to everyone here but I'm not going to post a lot, but I will peek my head in from time to time. Thanks to all who have wished me well. I'm still not sure how I feel about GMG right now given the negative air that I've breathed in from some of the members here whilst re-reading some of the posts on this thread...

Anyway, I'll see you all sometime down the road!

I for one miss your posts and prompts to explore unknown (or forgotten!) repertoire.  Remember one person's opinion is just that - one person's - no more no less.  The only "good" (smiley face, wink etc etc etc!!!) thing your absence has meant recently is that I've not been as tempted to spend money on Japanese remasters!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 03, 2022, 07:18:30 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on October 03, 2022, 06:37:59 AM
I for one miss your posts and prompts to explore unknown (or forgotten!) repertoire.  Remember one person's opinion is just that - one person's - no more no less.  The only "good" (smiley face, wink etc etc etc!!!) thing your absence has meant recently is that I've not been as tempted to spend money on Japanese remasters!
Yes! Like that Boult EMI VW Symphony set ;D
(//)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Roasted Swan on October 03, 2022, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 03, 2022, 07:18:30 AM
Yes! Like that Boult EMI VW Symphony set ;D
(//)

Yup - that was one for sure!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 03, 2022, 06:56:15 PM
Quote from: (: premont :) on October 03, 2022, 06:30:50 AM
It might be interesting to know what the "experts" say about the rest of us. :)

I found Brian's post to be in shockingly bad taste. Unless he apologizes (which I don't see him doing), I see no real reason to ever speak to him again. His true colors and feelings about me were revealed within that post. As for Karl, well...he was certainly one of my main reasons for leaving. He treated me like dirt for the last couple of weeks before I left, which I believe he's still carrying some resentment for a comment I made to him years ago that was insulting, but I did apologize for it. Things just haven't been the same since that particular incident. He holds a grudge like you wouldn't believe.

Again, the ignore function only does so much --- it actually doesn't wipe the user out of existence, which is what it does on the Steve Hoffman Forum for example, which was a forum I frequented until I was banned for taking a thread off-topic, which is apparently a taboo there and even though several other members did the same thing, but I got singled out, which I'm used to, although I said nothing offensive nor was I insulting to any other member. Anyway, another case of silencing people who have a differing opinion I suppose.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on October 04, 2022, 01:18:56 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 03, 2022, 06:56:15 PM

... the Steve Hoffman Forum for example, which was a forum I frequented ...


Without perpetuating any of the more personal elements of the conversation or getting involved in those, hopefully the jazz section of GMG will bring you some joy until you feel able to return to classical commenting! I miss your comments on contemporary or recent composers as I find them to be really illuminating :). I actually found the Steve Hoffman forum really poor and difficult to navigate, so never bothered there. One great thing about GMG, is the way the structure allows you to actually find what you are looking for. That one is awful :). Not that I like jazz at all - yuk!! But then, I am probably something of a Philistine. Not my thing at all. Why are so many forums so rubbish? I work in technology, and they need to fire their UX and UR people and hire some that actually went to some sort of educational facility beyond first grade :). Simple Machines really is a better design. Not perfect, but best of a bad bunch.

Hopefully going forward, we can all work harder at being kind - something I am passionate to improve in my personal life!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 04, 2022, 03:33:12 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on October 04, 2022, 01:18:56 AM
Hopefully going forward, we can all work harder at being kind - something I am passionate to improve in my personal life!
+1  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2022, 06:47:07 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on October 04, 2022, 01:18:56 AM
Without perpetuating any of the more personal elements of the conversation or getting involved in those, hopefully the jazz section of GMG will bring you some joy until you feel able to return to classical commenting! I miss your comments on contemporary or recent composers as I find them to be really illuminating :). I actually found the Steve Hoffman forum really poor and difficult to navigate, so never bothered there. One great thing about GMG, is the way the structure allows you to actually find what you are looking for. That one is awful :). Not that I like jazz at all - yuk!! But then, I am probably something of a Philistine. Not my thing at all. Why are so many forums so rubbish? I work in technology, and they need to fire their UX and UR people and hire some that actually went to some sort of educational facility beyond first grade :). Simple Machines really is a better design. Not perfect, but best of a bad bunch.

Hopefully going forward, we can all work harder at being kind - something I am passionate to improve in my personal life!

You have a good point about the Steve Hoffman Forum. It is rubbish and difficult to navigate, but there was a jazz thread I loved frequenting that had a lot of ongoing commentary in it. The non-classical section of GMG leaves much to be desired, but it'll do for now since there aren't many forums that have dedicated jazz threads. Talk Classical has a jazz thread, too and it's okay, but like here, there's just not a lot of activity in it. As for the last comment you made, I couldn't agree more, but I'm afraid this won't happen as some members have chosen to not think about what they write and, more importantly, not acknowledge that they're a part of the problem and not a part of the solution.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2022, 08:49:00 AM
As the apostle Paul once said, a person will reap what he sows.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2022, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2022, 08:49:00 AM
As the apostle Paul once said, a person will reap what he sows.

Indeed they will.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 04, 2022, 11:04:44 AM
Welcome back John (MI!)  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 04, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Thanks, Ray!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on October 04, 2022, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 07:16:28 AM

2230 new members is a real outlier, huh? One would think this would translate to more active members, but it hasn't at all. At all. Makes me wonder about the algorithms/glitches to which the site is subject. Meh. Who knows?


I would imagine that this would be 95% bots, n'est-ce pas?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on October 04, 2022, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on October 04, 2022, 11:22:06 AM
I would imagine that this would be 95% bots, n'est-ce pas?

It is definitely too anomalous to be legit, methinks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on October 04, 2022, 01:20:29 PM
Quote from: foxandpeng on October 04, 2022, 12:17:39 PM

It is definitely too anomalous to be legit, methinks.


Quote from: OrchestralNut on October 04, 2022, 11:22:06 AM

I would imagine that this would be 95% bots, n'est-ce pas?


Yes!

Something similar happened some years ago, with hundreds if not thousands of visitors suddenly.  "Bots" was the explanation then.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2022, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: foxandpeng on October 04, 2022, 12:17:39 PM
It is definitely too anomalous to be legit, methinks.

You can view the new member list, sorted by date registered. There are only three members listed as registered this September, of which one posted twice. Unless bots register then delete their accounts the statistical collection must be flawed. There aren't thousands of members in the member list registered in September.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 04, 2022, 06:30:53 PM
It might be that the software's definition of new members is not our human definition
There's a category of membership termed "just joined". Those listed on the first page haven't joined recently--most seem to date from 2021, and one gives the dates as follows
Date Registered:
September 29, 2016, 12:38:03 PM
Local Time:
October 04, 2022, 06:19:53 PM
Last Active:
May 14, 2018, 08:35:54 AM

The dates on another listing are from 2017.

These members seem to have never posted. Maybe "just joined" means registered but never made a post?
But if there's enough of them, they may account for the "new members".
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on October 04, 2022, 06:34:27 PM
Never mind. I just realized the membership roster says we have 2414 members overall

Which means only 184 of us are not new members....
????
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 04, 2022, 07:27:31 PM
The previous explanations are more likely.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 05, 2022, 05:44:46 AM
Not sure of all the details,  but I know that it doesn't count them as 'new member' until they make a post and a mod approves it. Traditionally,  those bunches of new 'accounts' are bots. For a couple of years they were programmed to make a post for our approval.  It was interesting to see what their primitive AI came up with.  Sort of like reading CMG...  ::)

🤠🥸
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 05, 2022, 05:59:19 AM
(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 05, 2022, 06:29:27 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 05, 2022, 05:44:46 AM
Not sure of all the details,  but I know that it doesn't count them as 'new member' until they make a post and a mod approves it. Traditionally,  those bunches of new 'accounts' are bots. For a couple of years they were programmed to make a post for our approval.  It was interesting to see what their primitive AI came up with.  Sort of like reading CMG...  ::)

🤠🥸

Not sure to what to make of that. There are lots of members in the member list with zero posts. So it must be possible to get into the member list even without having an initial post approved by a moderator.

I suppose there could be registration attempts that are automatically identified as bots by the forum software and rejected, but still somehow get counted as new members by whatever algorithm keeps track of new members.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:00:44 AM
Welcome back, John.

The tragedy of this site is that there are people here with vast amounts of knowledge but many of those also have HUGE egos and present themselves as being self appointed arbiters of good taste on this forum. Anything that runs in the face of what they believe as dogma immediately becomes the cause for potential conflict. This causes many people not to want to engage. My own absences from this site are becoming more frequent and prolonged due to the deteriorating tone overall.

I find recent posts regarding your departure to be distasteful. You are not a perfect person by your own admission but who here is? People who wrote such stuff about you should be ashamed of themselves.

More humility would seem to be required here on this site even though I accept that ego and humility are an oxymoron.

Having been around here for some time now and having engaged with you over the years, my friendly advice to you if you decide to continue to post here is to word your comments more carefully. You should also be more careful with whom you engage. That should be self evident to you at this stage and by that I mean ignoring them completely and not just adding them to your ignore list. Do not be baited. That requires restraint.

It should also be apparent to you that there are some here who value you, who have missed you and your contributions and who also wish you well.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:05:14 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on September 30, 2022, 02:35:46 AM
I think it is a timely reminder to all of us to think carefully about our tone and words before we hit 'send'. Sometimes I wonder whether a snarky or angry comment might be better considered after a few minutes fetching a cup of coffee, re-reading, and then sending something. I really enjoy this space, but I agree that some of the ad hominems and personally critical comments have affected my enjoyment and willingness to participate. I think if you look at the site stats below from August and September since the departure of certain members, and what I have perceived as an increase in less measured comments, there is a real dip in engagement day to day; certainly significantly fewer new posts. People are still reading, because we still have as many lurking and casual views from folk who tend not to comment. I suspect that the vast number of already existing valuable and knowledgeable comments and posts will keep that casual surfing and reading as high as it ever is. Whether new engagement will pick up again, may depend on how the spirit of the site continues going forward, and whether we increase our personal contributions to make up for those departing.

Everyone has always been very kind to me, and I think most of us usually are, but how we speak to others and how we speak about others, matters. We all bring our sensitivities and need for kindness to the forum, I think. I would like to think it could be a safer space because of our carefulness.

Apologies for the wonky formatting!

Yearly Summary   New Topics   New Posts   New Members   Most Online   Page views

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+ July 2022           73                   6906           34                   585                   2639757
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An interesting statistic for me here is that the average number of new members per month [excluding two spikes] seems to be around the thirty mark. How many of those new members then go on to post more than, say, even ten posts? Why the lack of engagement after making the decision to become a member after, presumably, being a reader only?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 05, 2022, 07:31:11 AM
Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:00:44 AM
*Welcome back, John.

The tragedy of this site is that there are people here with vast amounts of knowledge but many of those also have HUGE egos and present themselves as being self appointed arbiters of good taste on this forum. Anything that runs in the face of what they believe as dogma immediately becomes the cause for potential conflict. This causes many people not to want to engage. My own absences from this site are becoming more frequent and prolonged due to the deteriorating tone overall.

I find recent posts regarding your departure to be distasteful. You are not a perfect person by your own admission but who here is? People who wrote such stuff about you should be ashamed of themselves.

More humility would seem to be required here on this site even though I accept that ego and humility are an oxymoron.

Having been around here for some time now and having engaged with you over the years, my friendly advice to you if you decide to continue to post here is to word your comments more carefully. You should also be more careful with whom you engage. That should be self evident to you at this stage and by that I mean ignoring them completely and not just adding them to your ignore list. Do not be baited. That requires restraint.

It should also be apparent to you that there are some here who value you, who have missed you and your contributions and who also wish you well.
I understand how you feel  And all good advice....for all of us.

*+1

Best,

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 05, 2022, 07:38:38 AM
Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:00:44 AM
Welcome back, John.

The tragedy of this site is that there are people here with vast amounts of knowledge but many of those also have HUGE egos and present themselves as being self appointed arbiters of good taste on this forum. Anything that runs in the face of what they believe as dogma immediately becomes the cause for potential conflict. This causes many people not to want to engage. My own absences from this site are becoming more frequent and prolonged due to the deteriorating tone overall.

I find recent posts regarding your departure to be distasteful. You are not a perfect person by your own admission but who here is? People who wrote such stuff about you should be ashamed of themselves.

More humility would seem to be required here on this site even though I accept that ego and humility are an oxymoron.

Having been around here for some time now and having engaged with you over the years, my friendly advice to you if you decide to continue to post here is to word your comments more carefully. You should also be more careful with whom you engage. That should be self evident to you at this stage and by that I mean ignoring them completely and not just adding them to your ignore list. Do not be baited. That requires restraint.

It should also be apparent to you that there are some here who value you, who have missed you and your contributions and who also wish you well.

Thanks a lot, Fergus. Sound advice for us all. I'm trying my best to post comments that are positive and not to get wrapped up in the negativity. After all, if I succumbed to this type of attitude, I would be stooping down to the level of many members here who I wish to not engage with again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 05, 2022, 08:11:52 AM
Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:00:44 AM
ignoring them completely and not just adding them to your ignore list. Do not be baited. That requires restraint.

I too am working on that. It's hard but it's really the only way.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 05, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 05, 2022, 08:11:52 AM
I too am working on that. It's hard but it's really the only way.

Wisdom.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 09:42:20 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 05, 2022, 07:38:38 AM
Thanks a lot, Fergus. Sound advice for us all. I'm trying my best to post comments that are positive and not to get wrapped up in the negativity. After all, if I succumbed to this type of attitude, I would be stooping down to the level of many members here who I wish to not engage with again.

That was indeed my inferred message, John.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 05, 2022, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:05:14 AM

An interesting statistic for me here is that the average number of new members per month [excluding two spikes] seems to be around the thirty mark. How many of those new members then go on to post more than, say, even ten posts? Why the lack of engagement after making the decision to become a member after, presumably, being a reader only?
Interesting Fergus. It puzzles me when a new member joins, receives a host of welcoming messages...and then, you never hear from them again!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pizzicato-Polka on October 05, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Welcome back, Mirror Image! It's good to hear from you!

Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:05:14 AM
Why the lack of engagement after making the decision to become a member after, presumably, being a reader only?

I can speak for myself, as I barely post since joining. I quickly noticed that there's really no one else here without great musical knowledge (at least it feels this way), and so I feel too embarrassed to post. Because while I enjoy classical intensely enough to have wanted to join a forum, I still do it in a rather casual manner compared to the majority here. It's great to read the very informative posts of everyone else, and it's also great to have an option to chime in, but it's just that I rarely find in my head anything interesting enough to actually use that option.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 01:25:33 PM
Quote from: Pizzicato-Polka on October 05, 2022, 01:19:27 PM

I can speak for myself, as I barely post since joining. I quickly noticed that there's really no one else here without great musical knowledge (at least it feels this way), and so I feel too embarrassed to post. Because while I enjoy classical intensely enough to have wanted to join a forum, I still do it in a rather casual manner compared to the majority here. It's great to read the very informative posts of everyone else, and it's also great to have an option to chime in, but it's just that I rarely find in my head anything interesting enough to actually use that option.

Everyone always has something to contribute. By posting what you are listening to you may well spark a conversation with, or an interest for, another member. You should never feel embarrassed or intimidated. There are plenty of pleasant people here to help you through.  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: pjme on October 05, 2022, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Pizzicato-Polka on October 05, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
Welcome back, Mirror Image! It's good to hear from you!

I can speak for myself, as I barely post since joining. I quickly noticed that there's really no one else here without great musical knowledge (at least it feels this way), and so I feel too embarrassed to post. Because while I enjoy classical intensely enough to have wanted to join a forum, I still do it in a rather casual manner compared to the majority here. It's great to read the very informative posts of everyone else, and it's also great to have an option to chime in, but it's just that I rarely find in my head anything interesting enough to actually use that option.
And you are from Poland!  A very interesting music country!
Welcome!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:31:30 AM
Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 01:25:33 PM
Everyone always has something to contribute. By posting what you are listening to you may well spark a conversation with, or an interest for, another member. You should never feel embarrassed or intimidated. There are plenty of pleasant people here to help you through.  :)
Totally agree with this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on October 06, 2022, 01:27:13 AM
Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 01:25:33 PM
Everyone always has something to contribute. By posting what you are listening to you may well spark a conversation with, or an interest for, another member. You should never feel embarrassed or intimidated. There are plenty of pleasant people here to help you through.  :)

I agree with this  :)

There are some profoundly knowledgeable people here, and many enthusiastic amateurs. I benefit from posts by both; I enjoy the fascinating analyses but also posts from people like me who simply want to share that they have found a cool thing. Those are the posts that have often led me to my own enjoyable things.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Roasted Swan on October 06, 2022, 02:02:29 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:31:30 AM
Totally agree with this.

+2!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 06, 2022, 02:04:10 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:31:30 AM
Totally agree with this.
+3  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 06, 2022, 02:22:02 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on October 06, 2022, 01:27:13 AM
I agree with this  :)

There are some profoundly knowledgeable people here, and many enthusiastic amateurs. I benefit from posts by both; I enjoy the fascinating analyses but also posts from people like me who simply want to share that they have found a cool thing. Those are the posts that have often led me to my own enjoyable things.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:31:30 AM
Totally agree with this.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on October 06, 2022, 02:02:29 AM
+2!
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 06, 2022, 02:04:10 AM
+3  :)

PD
+4

I absolutely agree too; there's not an importance ranking about comments, and, unless offensive, every post sharing love for music can give a great contribution.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 06, 2022, 07:44:24 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:31:30 AM
Totally agree with this.

+ 5
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:28:07 PM
I'm pleased to report that I had a very nice chat (in real time!) with Johan (Christo) this evening. I told him that there had been concern expressed for him here. He wanted you to know that he is much better now and back at work. He doesn't listen to much music at the moment but hopes to be back on the forum sooner or later.
:)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 06, 2022, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:28:07 PM
I'm pleased to report that I had a very nice chat (in real time!) with Johan (Christo) this evening. I told him that there had been concern expressed for him here. He wanted you to know that he is much better now and back at work. He doesn't listen to much music at the moment but hopes to be back on the forum sooner or later.
:)

Great to read, Jeffrey. Such a nice man. Good to see he's back enjoying his life again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 06, 2022, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:28:07 PM
I'm pleased to report that I had a very nice chat (in real time!) with Johan (Christo) this evening. I told him that there had been concern expressed for him here. He wanted you to know that he is much better now and back at work. He doesn't listen to much music at the moment but hopes to be back on the forum sooner or later.
:)

Great news!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 06, 2022, 02:02:49 PM
Excellent!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on October 06, 2022, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 06, 2022, 01:20:25 PM
Great news!

+1 -  8)  Dave
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on October 06, 2022, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: aligreto on October 05, 2022, 07:00:44 AM

The tragedy of this site is that there are people here with vast amounts of knowledge but many of those also have HUGE egos and present themselves as being self appointed arbiters of good taste on this forum. Anything that runs in the face of what they believe as dogma immediately becomes the cause for potential conflict. This causes many people not to want to engage. My own absences from this site are becoming more frequent and prolonged due to the deteriorating tone overall.

I find recent posts regarding your departure to be distasteful. You are not a perfect person by your own admission but who here is? People who wrote such stuff about you should be ashamed of themselves.

More humility would seem to be required here on this site even though I accept that ego and humility are an oxymoron.

Having been around here for some time now and having engaged with you over the years, my friendly advice to you if you decide to continue to post here is to word your comments more carefully. You should also be more careful with whom you engage. That should be self evident to you at this stage and by that I mean ignoring them completely and not just adding them to your ignore list. Do not be baited. That requires restraint.

It should also be apparent to you that there are some here who value you, who have missed you and your contributions and who also wish you well.

Wise words, Fergus. I can certainly agree with all of it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 06, 2022, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 05, 2022, 07:38:38 AM
Thanks a lot, Fergus. Sound advice for us all. I'm trying my best to post comments that are positive and not to get wrapped up in the negativity. After all, if I succumbed to this type of attitude, I would be stooping down to the level of many members here who I wish to not engage with again.

Seems like you've hardly finished pontificating about negativity on the board, and you're turning around and telling me my opinion is bullshit.

Quote from: Mirror Image on October 06, 2022, 12:04:42 PM
This is just BS. I'm sorry. Any mastering engineer with a vision of how something should sound has a special insight into the recording techniques and how an album was mastered. Any time an album gets a remastering or a remix, it's a reinterpretation of the original mix. Have you heard any of the newer remixes? Without actually hearing any of them, you don't have a leg to stand on --- it's nothing more than a preconceived notion.

Maybe you should consider that the negative treatment you complain about reflects the negative energy you put on the board. What goes around, comes around.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on October 06, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
Here we go again. Why not just agree to disagree and move on?

Not pointing specifically to any of you, but as a general observation as to human behavior.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mirror Image on October 06, 2022, 09:21:09 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 06, 2022, 07:26:47 PM
Seems like you've hardly finished pontificating about negativity on the board, and you're turning around and telling me my opinion is bullshit.

Maybe you should consider that the negative treatment you complain about reflects the negative energy you put on the board. What goes around, comes around.

I told you that your opinion was bullshit because you had no reason to complain about Giles Martin, especially when you haven't heard any of the work he's done. If you actually heard the remixes, then you'd have a right to complain and if you didn't like them then that would be fair enough, but this wasn't the case. Anyway, what it seems like to me is that only you are allowed to complain about other people and their posts, but when someone else actually calls you out, you decide to play the victim. What goes around, comes around, indeed and you're just guilty as anyone else here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on October 10, 2022, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 12:28:07 PM
I'm pleased to report that I had a very nice chat (in real time!) with Johan (Christo) this evening. I told him that there had been concern expressed for him here. He wanted you to know that he is much better now and back at work. He doesn't listen to much music at the moment but hopes to be back on the forum sooner or later.
:)

Please give Johan (Christo) our best regards and tell him that we wish him well and look forward to his eventual return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 10, 2022, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: aligreto on October 10, 2022, 01:41:00 PM
Please give Johan (Christo) our best regards and tell him that we wish him well and look forward to his eventual return.

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 10, 2022, 10:15:40 PM
Quote from: aligreto on October 10, 2022, 01:41:00 PM
Please give Johan (Christo) our best regards and tell him that we wish him well and look forward to his eventual return.
Will do Fergus.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pat B on October 27, 2022, 07:02:25 PM
bump
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Christo on October 28, 2022, 12:42:38 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 10, 2022, 10:15:40 PM
Will do Fergus.
Done.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 28, 2022, 06:27:16 AM
Quote from: Christo on October 28, 2022, 12:42:38 AM
Done.  ;D

Hoy. Johan!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 21, 2022, 08:17:56 AM
Hvbias just quit? Ugh, one of the most interesting members, insightful and idiosyncratic. And about my age.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2022, 08:46:05 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 21, 2022, 08:17:56 AM
Hvbias just quit? Ugh, one of the most interesting members, insightful and idiosyncratic. And about my age.

WTF?  :o
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on November 21, 2022, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 21, 2022, 08:17:56 AM
Hvbias just quit? Ugh, one of the most interesting members, insightful and idiosyncratic. And about my age.
?? Did he say something about quitting?  Or, how do you know?  Did his account just disappear?

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on November 21, 2022, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on November 21, 2022, 09:33:02 AM
?? Did he say something about quitting?  Or, how do you know?  Did his account just disappear?

PD
Yep, I noticed in the Chopin thread that there was a post by a "guest" that said "last edited by hvbias."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2022, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: Brian on November 21, 2022, 09:34:06 AM
Yep, I noticed in the Chopin thread that there was a post by a "guest" that said "last edited by hvbias."

And the guest's name is staxomega.

Can't understand the whys and hows of such a move.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on November 21, 2022, 11:05:42 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 21, 2022, 10:00:28 AMAnd the guest's name is staxomega.

Can't understand the whys and hows of such a move.

If I recall correctly, if you change your username the new username appears on your posts but the original username is still your underlying username. I suspect staxomega changed his/her username to hvbias and when the account was deleted the post labels revert to the original username, by some quirk of the site coding.

Of course, it is always to be regretted when a knowledgeable and congenial member leaves the site.


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2022, 12:42:25 PM
Verily.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on November 22, 2022, 04:56:20 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on November 21, 2022, 11:05:42 AM
If I recall correctly, if you change you username the new username appears on your posts but the original username is still your underlying username. I suspect staxomega changed his/her username to hvbias and when the account was deleted the post labels revert to the original username, by some quirk of the site coding.

I thought so, indeeed.

QuoteOf course, it is always to be regretted when a knowledgeable and congenial member leaves the site.

Especially when they leave abruptly and without any apparent reason.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on November 23, 2022, 05:13:35 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 22, 2022, 04:56:20 AMEspecially when they leave abruptly and without any apparent reason.
I agree.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on December 03, 2022, 07:13:54 AM
So De Profundis, or was it Carlo Gesualdo, has disappeared without trace. I feel a bit bad about this -- he sent me long private messages, to which I may have responded in a laconic manner. If he sees this, it wasn't because I didn't appreciate him, on the contrary. It just was that I was busy.

Ne nous quittez pas, Carlo Gesualdo. Vous nous manquez - et pas que moi. On vous kif
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on December 03, 2022, 08:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 03, 2022, 07:13:54 AMSo De Profundis, or was it Carlo Gesualdo, has disappeared without trace. I feel a bit bad about this -- he sent me long private messages, to which I may have responded in a laconic manner. If he sees this, it wasn't because I didn't appreciate him, on the contrary. It just was that I was busy.

Ne nous quittez pas, Carlo Gesualdo. Vous nous manquez - et pas que moi. On vous kif

If there was anyone who shared his enthusiasm on this forum, it was him.
Plagued by setbacks, he was constantly guided by his love for early music.
I would applaud if he realizes there is a welcome for him on this forum.
It would be a shame if he felt ignored.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on December 04, 2022, 04:43:11 AM
It is Carlo Gesualdo and it looks like he has canceled his account.His past posts are now as a guest.so there is no way to contact him anymore. He has also left silently on another forum in the past. Maybe he has found another way to share his enthusiasm with others, let's hope so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 05, 2022, 08:11:19 AM
Quote from: Traverso on December 04, 2022, 04:43:11 AMIt is Carlo Gesualdo and it looks like he has canceled his account.His past posts are now as a guest.so there is no way to contact him anymore. He has also left silently on another forum in the past. Maybe he has found another way to share his enthusiasm with others, let's hope so.

Unfortunate that he has left. I'm not a member at "another forum" anymore. Has De Profundis deleted his account there, or just stopped participating?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on December 05, 2022, 09:11:14 AM
He suddenly left with no message on the other forum leaving some with a sense of alienation.
He showed up here and seemed to feel more accepted here.
Also on the other forum he told things that others keep hidden, such as his difficulty with medication. A forum member felt compelled to advise him to stop taking medication. I reacted fiercely and had a permanent enemy in this attention-seeking simpleton.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on December 05, 2022, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: Traverso on December 05, 2022, 09:11:14 AMA forum member felt compelled to advise him to stop taking medication. I reacted fiercely and had a permanent enemy in this attention-seeking simpleton.
Of course we can never know other people's struggles, but at least from his comments here, he seemed like someone who needed medication. I hope he is well and healthy, wherever he is and whoever he is chatting with.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on December 05, 2022, 09:22:02 AM
Quote from: Brian on December 05, 2022, 09:15:47 AMOf course we can never know other people's struggles, but at least from his comments here, he seemed like someone who needed medication. I hope he is well and healthy, wherever he is and whoever he is chatting with.

No doubt about that,it's almost criminal to advice otherwise.Let us go no further in too much detail in this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 05, 2022, 09:35:18 AM
A pity.

I resigned from "another site" because I didn't want to participate in two sites (one is a bad enough draw on my time) and "another site" seemed more bland. Also the ban on political comments on "another site" was enforced in a haphazard and clumsy way that seemed to cause more trouble than political discussion themselves. Each site has it's share of nasty disputes, and at various times I've thought one or the other of the sites was worse.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on December 05, 2022, 09:49:50 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 05, 2022, 09:35:18 AMA pity.

I resigned from "another site" because I didn't want to participate in two sites (one is a bad enough draw on my time) and "another site" seemed more bland. Also the ban on political comments on "another site" was enforced in a haphazard and clumsy way that seemed to cause more trouble than political discussion themselves. Each site has it's share of nasty disputes, and at various times I've thought one or the other of the sites was worse.

I am present on both forums but my participation is mainly limited to "what are you listening now" and that is time consuming enough. Discussions are a waste of time and rarely enlightening. Information is of course more than welcome and there is this forum very helpful although I usually find my own way.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 06, 2022, 04:04:12 AM
Quote from: Traverso on December 05, 2022, 09:49:50 AMI am present on both forums but my participation is mainly limited to "what are you listening now" and that is time consuming enough. Discussions are a waste of time and rarely enlightening. Information is of course more than welcome and there is this forum very helpful although I usually find my own way.

I find reviews of music are rarely helpful, but a brief discussion about a recording with a congenial member whose taste I trust can be quite illuminating. But the most useful information is often is just the existence of a recording I wasn't aware of.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on December 08, 2022, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 06, 2022, 04:04:12 AMI find reviews of music are rarely helpful, but a brief discussion about a recording with a congenial member whose taste I trust can be quite illuminating. But the most useful information is often is just the existence of a recording I wasn't aware of.

IMO
Quote from: Traverso on December 05, 2022, 09:49:50 AMI am present on both forums but my participation is mainly limited to "what are you listening now" and that is time consuming enough. Discussions are a waste of time and rarely enlightening. Information is of course more than welcome and there is this forum very helpful although I usually find my own way.



I think good discussions about music or even performance are pretty rare in English language public forums. For the things which interest me, I don't think this one is better or worse than Talk Classical or rmcr: just different people, different style, different perceptions. For some reason the format of this one is congenial -- I can jot down ideas and then find them again. That's very valuable to me.

Talk Classical seems to me the most agreeable, in terms of troll control, not that these people are a real problem to deal with.  If you let the public in you're bound to get people who you wouldn't normally spend time with in the real world, unless they're rapidly weeded out through vigorous moderation. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 08, 2022, 12:36:44 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 08, 2022, 06:38:28 AMFor the things which interest me, I don't think this one is better or worse than Talk Classical or rmcr: just different people, different style, different perceptions. 

I've been browsing Talk Classical a lot and it seems to me that many, if not most, posters there are novices to classical music, enthusiastic (and enthusing) about Beethoven and Mahler first and foremost, little appreciative of anything  outside the Austro-German canon and rarely venturing beyond (Late) Romanticism. (I've read pages after pages of disparaging comments about Haydn and Mozart, for instance). The GMG membership is far more sophisticated, their taste far more catholic and their historical horizon far wider. To sum it up, TC is to GMG what reckoning is to calculus.  ;D

My two cents, of course, your (plural) mileage might vary.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on December 08, 2022, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: Florestan on December 08, 2022, 12:36:44 PMI've been browsing Talk Classical a lot and it seems to me that many, if not most, posters there are novices to classical music, enthusiastic (and enthusing) about Beethoven and Mahler first and foremost, little appreciative of anything  outside the Austro-German canon and rarely venturing beyond (Late) Romanticism. (I've read pages after pages of disparaging comments about Haydn and Mozart, for instance). The GMG membership is far more sophisticated, their taste far more catholic and their historical horizon far wider. To sum it up, TC is to GMG what reckoning is to calculus.  ;D

My two cents, of course, your (plural) mileage might vary.

There are a handful of people who are knowledgeable about opera and song, including some professionals. There are three academics, serious academics with real university careers in music, whose thoughts interest me - one of them them seems to have a very extensive grasp of 18th century music. And there are many people who are curious about contemporary music, as I am. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 08, 2022, 01:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 08, 2022, 12:45:17 PMThere are a handful of people who are knowledgeable about opera and song, including some professionals. There are three academics, serious academics with real university careers in music, whose thoughts interest me - one of them them seems to have a very extensive grasp of 18th century music. And there are many people who are curious about contemporary music, as I am. 

Well, I admit my browsing was as a guest, not as a member. Perhaps as a member one can spot, and get in touch with, like-minded people easier.

That being said, I stand by what I wrote above: my impression is that the average GMGer is more sophisticated and more catholic in taste than the average TCer.

And now that I think of it, there are a few, but very vocal, TCers whose mission in life seems to be the disparaging of a particular composer. There is this guy, I don't remember his username otomh, who, no matter the topic at hand, always ended up by "proving", in lengthy posts with lots of YT videos, what a bad composer Schubert was; another who did the same with Mozart and yet another whose Nemesis was Rachmaninoff.

TC is definitely not my thing.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on December 08, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on December 08, 2022, 06:38:28 AMIMO
I think good discussions about music or even performance are pretty rare in English language public forums. For the things which interest me, I don't think this one is better or worse than Talk Classical or rmcr: just different people, different style, different perceptions. For some reason the format of this one is congenial -- I can jot down ideas and then find them again. That's very valuable to me.

Talk Classical seems to me the most agreeable, in terms of troll control, not that these people are a real problem to deal with.  If you let the public in you're bound to get people who you wouldn't normally spend time with in the real world, unless they're rapidly weeded out through vigorous moderation. 

Precisely, centrally is that there is a database at your disposal where personal opinions are or should be subordinated, although they can give a kind of liveliness. A forum like this can be a stimulus. 

Information is the most important whether or not spiced up with explanations and opinions of a personal touch. I spend most of my time looking for recordings that I want in my collection. My attitude can be clear, I prefer listening to music rather than talking about it .Of course valuable recordings are discovered on this forum.
Still, I prefer the old situation, the vanished record stores where I could browse the record shelves, and exchange information with others I met there.
What remains of course is that this forum has a valuable database that I like to use (though not too often). Personal taste is subject to change and therefore not essential for me on this forum.
It has become clear to me many times that with the passage of time,that a once beloved recording was no longer enjoyable to listen to.

I see life as a journey and music is for me an essential part of that.
It is remarkable that sometimes you don't know what to listen to and put on a CD without much enthusiasm. Remarkable because it has happened on several occasions that I completely coincided with the music. Merged with, an ultimate experience, so unexpected. That's where you as a musician experienced your most beautiful moments
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on December 08, 2022, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: Traverso on December 08, 2022, 01:53:47 PMI prefer listening to music rather than talking about it

This reminds me of Hermann Scherchen's dictum: Music should not be understood, music should be listened to.

Also, of Ole Bull's philosophy, that music should be composed in order to be enjoyed by the listener here and now, not in order to be analyzed academically post-performance.

I agree with both stances.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 08, 2022, 02:32:04 PM
I wouldn't characterize TC as having a less sophisticated membership. There are those with eclectic interests and those who obsess about a narrow range of music, just like here. The main gripe I had about about TC is that it is subdivided into too many arbitrary sub boards and it is hard to find what you are interested in. When I look over there there are people I regret not interacting with any more, there are those I don miss at all, and those that are here too. Another principal difference is that TC has 2 or 3 times as much traffic as here, all hiding in those little cubbie hole threads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 08, 2022, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: Florestan on December 08, 2022, 01:00:35 PMWell, I admit my browsing was as a guest, not as a member. Perhaps as a member one can spot, and get in touch with, like-minded people easier.

That being said, I stand by what I wrote above: my impression is that the average GMGer is more sophisticated and more catholic in taste than the average TCer.

And now that I think of it, there are a few, but very vocal, TCers whose mission in life seems to be the disparaging of a particular composer. There is this guy, I don't remember his username otomh, who, no matter the topic at hand, always ended up by "proving", in lengthy posts with lots of YT videos, what a bad composer Schubert was; another who did the same with Mozart and yet another whose Nemesis was Rachmaninoff.

TC is definitely not my thing.




Life's too short to be spent contesting determined philistines.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on January 31, 2023, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: Kontrapunctus on January 31, 2023, 03:20:26 PMNo.41. A wonderful performance and the recording is excellent, too.
(https://i.discogs.com/yQVbaijxwAogfkst3xZT9hN9eChAQcT4_-WzzVsZ5ac/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:602/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE0MTM4/NzM1LTE1Njg1NjUz/MjItNDU4OC5qcGVn.jpeg)

I can't understand what happens to people like these who create an account and then suddenly delete it. And that's not the only one who has done it recently...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Wanderer on January 31, 2023, 11:30:17 PM
Or maybe they eventually open the political threads and are disgusted by the toxicity.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on January 31, 2023, 11:30:17 PMOr maybe they eventually open the political threads and are disgusted by the toxicity.

Even if they do, that's not a good reason to leave the forum. Most members here stick to music threads and are perfectly fine with it. There must be something else at play.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 12:52:06 AMEven if they do, that's not a good reason to leave the forum. Most members here stick to music threads and are perfectly fine with it. There must be something else at play.

In this medium, it's very hard to get an idea of  what's going on in people's heads, what they're suffering. You have such a partial view of the whole human being.  In real life people don't think and act rationally, and the same on a public form like this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 01:09:06 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 12:55:59 AMIn this medium, it's very hard to get an idea of  what's going on in people's heads, what they're suffering. You have such a partial view of the whole human being.  In real life people don't think and act rationally, and the same on a public form like this.

True, but joining the forum one day and leaving it the next day is more irrational than usual irrational.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 01:11:19 AM
Perhaps it is because misunderstandings arise more easily because we only have a limited knowledge of each other, limited to what we want to share with the others. On the other hand, I think that GMG is one of the most friendly and welcoming forums of its kind - if you just exclude certain things in the diner board. After all, we are also a fairly large group that has stuck with GMG for many years.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 01:14:14 AM
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 01:11:19 AMPerhaps it is because misunderstandings arise more easily because we only have a limited knowledge of each other,

When I did my masters in philosophy, it was part by examination, and I remember arguing that we know ourselves less well than others know us. I got the degree by the way.

γνῶθι σεαυτόν is one hell of a big ask!

There's also these famous lines by Robbie Burns - I think a native English speaker can just make sense of them!

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 01:29:40 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 01:14:14 AMThere's also these famous lines by Robbie Burns - I think a native English speaker can just make sense of them!

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!

Let's see if I got it right:

O would some Power the gift give us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress and gait would leave us,
And even in devotion!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 02:02:31 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 01:29:40 AMO would some Power the gift give us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress and gait would leave us,
And even in devotion!

Thanks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 02:18:43 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 01:14:14 AMWhen I did my masters in philosophy, it was part by examination, and I remember arguing that we know ourselves less well than others know us.

That was a bold claim. Perhaps it is true of unreflective individuals, but after all, others only know us based on what we say and the way we react in different situations, and a reflective individual will, in terms of these things, know himself better than others know him, just as you do become wiser about yourself over the years. And how we will react in extreme situations, no one knows anyway, neither ourselves nor others.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 03:15:06 AM
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 02:18:43 AMThat was a bold claim. Perhaps it is true of unreflective individuals, but after all, others only know us based on what we say and the way we react in different situations, and a reflective individual will, in terms of these things, know himself better than others know him, just as you do become wiser about yourself over the years. And how we will react in extreme situations, no one knows anyway, neither ourselves nor others.

It was indeed a bold claim, made one summer's day in an exam room.  I think my point was that it was practically very hard to overcome the illusions of self deception, and that, as we say in English -- actions speak louder than words. Our mental natures, who we are and what we are and most importantlym, what we mean, are external (or so I argued.)

@ultralinear has the idea, I now see.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 03:18:38 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 01:29:40 AMLet's see if I got it right:

O would some Power the gift give us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress and gait would leave us,
And even in devotion!
That's it. Now try saying it.


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 03:49:56 AM
Quote from: ultralinear on February 01, 2023, 03:05:59 AMNot necessarily.  For example, you may think of yourself as a generous person, but the test of whether you are in fact a generous person consists in how you behave, which others may be in a better position to observe than you.

Why should my idea of myself be wrong? I know very well that I'm not a particularly generous person because I'm well aware of how I behave - that's it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 03:55:19 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 03:15:06 AMIt was indeed a bold claim, made one summer's day in an exam room.  I think my point was that it was practically very hard to overcome the illusions of self deception, and that, as we say in English -- actions speak louder than words. Our mental natures, who we are and what we are and most importantlym, what we mean, are external (or so I argued.)

Do you think we always are self deceiving? Couldn't it be so that you get to know only PART of yourself by observing how you react in different situations?


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 03:58:00 AM
Quote from: ultralinear on February 01, 2023, 03:55:07 AMExactly - you know yourself through awareness of the same observable behaviour that others see.  That this takes reflectiveness implies that it may be easier for others than for oneself.

But still I myself better know my motives for being how I am and how much I work with changing my behavior. Isn't this a part of me?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:02:40 AM
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 03:55:19 AMCouldn't it be so that you get to know part of yourself by observing how you react in different situations?




Yes, I think my point would be that the external observer is at least as well placed as we are to make hypothesis about our mental life. In particular, we do not have privileged access to our own states of mind. It's a fundamentally anti- Cartesian position.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 04:04:30 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:02:40 AMYes, I think my point would be that the external observer is at least as well placed as we are to make hypothesis about our mental life. In particular, we do not have privileged access to our own states of mind. It's a fundamentally anti- Cartesian position.

I have edited the post you quoted to make my point of view more clear.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:06:33 AM
Will look later, I'm on the tube now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 04:11:03 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:02:40 AMwe do not have privileged access to our own states of mind.

I find this an astonishing claim. Don't you have thoughts and impulses you keep for yourself either because you don't like them or because they are inappropiate in the given context.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 01, 2023, 04:17:54 AM
Given that the missing member discussion was moved here, perhaps the Philosophy 101 class could be moved too...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on February 01, 2023, 04:34:30 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 03:15:06 AMIt was indeed a bold claim, made one summer's day in an exam room.  I think my point was that it was practically very hard to overcome the illusions of self deception, and that, as we say in English -- actions speak louder than words. Our mental natures, who we are and what we are and most importantlym, what we mean, are external (or so I argued.)

@ultralinear has the idea, I now see.

That is not always the case.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:38:36 AM
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 04:11:03 AMI find this an astonishing claim. Don't you have thoughts and impulses you keep for yourself either because you don't like them or because they are inappropiate in the given context.


It is an astonishing claim. If we just confine it to thoughts for the moment, the claim is indeed that the most justifiable attributions of what someone thinks - what he believes and desires - is made on the basis of what best explains his actions over time. The subject's claims about his cognitive states are not privileged.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:40:40 AM
The position is astonishing because, to speak crudely, it denies that the mind is inside your head. It denies the whole mind/world dualism.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 04:48:48 AM
But after all it's only philosophy, and who says the behaviorists are right?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Maestro267 on February 01, 2023, 05:09:26 AM
Nobody is obliged to stay here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 01, 2023, 05:29:23 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on January 31, 2023, 11:30:17 PMOr maybe they eventually open the political threads and are disgusted by the toxicity.

I think that that user specifically was somebody who was on at least their second or third cycle of creating and deleting an account.

It's a pity, because all their posts were interesting, but who knows what their struggle is.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 05:43:53 AM
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 04:48:48 AMBut after all it's only philosophy, and who says the behaviorists are right?

IMO the foundation for this position is Wittgenstein's private language argument in The Philosophical Investigations.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 01, 2023, 05:48:51 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 01, 2023, 05:29:23 AMI think that that user specifically was somebody who was on at least their second or third cycle of creating and deleting an account.

It's a pity, because all their posts were interesting, but who knows what their struggle is.

Assuming it is due to "struggle" is perhaps a bit presumptuous. An individual may decide that the site is too addictive and likely to gobble up an unacceptable amount of time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 01, 2023, 05:54:58 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on February 01, 2023, 05:48:51 AMAssuming it is due to "struggle" is perhaps a bit presumptuous. An individual may decide that the site is too addictive and likely to gobble up an unacceptable amount of time.
I didn't mean a mental health issue, to be clear, but just whatever thought process keeps them changing their minds about joining.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Maestro267 on February 01, 2023, 06:45:33 AM
Everyone's struggling with something or other.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on February 01, 2023, 08:24:42 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 04:02:40 AMYes, I think my point would be that the external observer is at least as well placed as we are to make hypothesis about our mental life. In particular, we do not have privileged access to our own states of mind. It's a fundamentally anti- Cartesian position.

What we are is not what we think we are, in which case we would reduce ourselves to an idea. All kinds of conditioning prevent us from seeing what is, crystallizing into an idea is after the moment of perception and should not be more than a guideline . 
 "actions speak louder than words" or in other words one knows the tree by its fruits. This already implies the danger of (pleasant) self-deception. I see life as a journey where the arrival never comes other than death that everything ends as far as we can determine. The degree to which we are open and vulnerable is also an indication of maturity to me, which of course also has no end point. Given the sheer size of the entertainment industry, one may wonder a number of things.
As for music, for me it is more than diversion and often teaches me to reconcile that the essential is not tangible.
As a musician you also live for the moments where you as a musician/human being become completely one with the music, a transcendent experience, if only for a moment.
Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 01, 2023, 08:31:08 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on February 01, 2023, 06:45:33 AMEveryone's struggling with something or other.

Yes, everyone has struggles, buit I wouldn't assume struggles I'd why am individual leaves. Struggles probably explains why I'm here at all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 08:37:11 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 05:43:53 AMIMO the foundation for this position is Wittgenstein's private language argument in The Philosophical Investigations.

Would it be that mental processes do not exist because they cannot be described in a common language, perhaps not even in a private language? But in fact many mental processes are not linguistic, many of our thoughts are pictorial or perhaps especially intangible. How would you, for example, put all the sensations that flow through you when you listen to a piece of music. It has been very tellingly stated that music begins where language ends. And these intangible (private) mental processes can rarely be read from our behavior.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: premont on February 01, 2023, 08:37:11 AMWould it be that mental processes do not exist because they cannot be described in a common language, perhaps not even in a private language? But in fact many mental processes are not linguistic, many of our thoughts are pictorial or perhaps especially intangible. How would you, for example, put all the sensations that flow through you when you listen to a piece of music. It has been very tellingly stated that music begins where language ends. And these intangible (private) mental processes can rarely be read from our behavior.

I think you need to take it step by step, what applies to sensations may not apply in the same way to emotions or to cognitive states. Wittgenstein uses the idea of pain, he asks how the concept is acquired. On one model, someone has a sensation and kind of points to it in his head and says "I name this thing I'm experiencing pain" I think he shows very well that this model is incoherent, and he presents an alternative model where the meaning of pain is tied quite closely to its primitive expression -- cries etc. But the argument is a little bit complex to spell out here, and possibly this thread isn't appropriate anyway. Unfortunately the English wikipedia on The Private Language Argument seems rather encyclopaedic and complicated -- my lectures were clearer!

In my understanding of things, the private language argument can be extended to meaning generally. And thence to cognitive mental states, because believing that P, desiring that P etc are differentiated in part by the meaning of P. These states, beliefs and desires, are fundamental for making sense of human action in informal (so called "folk") psychology.

But we're in some pretty deep water now -- in UK universities this is stuff for final year undergraduates probably, and then only those with a significant specialisation in logic and epistemology and philosophy of mind. To get to grips with it, you really need to think about the relation between truth and meaning, which, a few years ago at least, was right at the cutting edge of Anglo American philosophy. It would be as hard to discuss it here as it would be to discuss, let's say, category theory.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 09:31:08 AMI think you need to take it step by step, what applies to sensations may not apply in the same way to emotions or to cognitive states. Wittgenstein uses the idea of pain, he asks how the concept is acquired. On one model, someone has a sensation and kind of points to it in his head and says "I name this thing I'm experiencing pain" I think he shows very well that this model is incoherent, and he presents an alternative model where the meaning of pain is tied quite closely to its primitive expression -- cries etc. But the argument is a little bit complex to spell out here....,

Well, emotions and cognitive states may be even more difficult than sensations to put into a common language. In my book pain is a tactile sensation (caused by changes in our tissue) parallelling listening to music which is a hear sensation (caused by movements of the tympanon), which not necessary can be read from the behavior of the individual.

Quote from: Mandryka on February 01, 2023, 09:31:08 AMIn my understanding of things, the private language argument can be extended to meaning generally. And thence to cognitive mental states, because believing that P, desiring that P etc are differentiated in part by the meaning of P. These states, beliefs and desires, are fundamental for making sense of human action in informal (so called "folk") psychology.

Yes, mental states are difficult to communicate precisely because the meaning of the words we use for them can't be objectively defined, but all the same we know from ourselves, that different mental states exist whatever we call them. And they exist a priori and are not a result of the words we use for them.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 01, 2023, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on February 01, 2023, 05:09:26 AMNobody is obliged to stay here.

Except the zookeepers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 01, 2023, 10:37:03 AM
Can dogs lie?

Yes, they use to lie down when they sleep.

Joke aside, a dog can't tell lies, because they don't talk a language we understand. On the other hand dogs can tease us if they want us to do something in their favor.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on February 01, 2023, 10:52:04 AM
The main thing is in to be as receptive as we can and not like cows with two stomachs effect a predictable process. Every word is limited, it can never be the thing itself. Look at religions that each seem imprisoned in their symbols.  There is a red thread running through the history of philosophy.  One of the illusions is that we find what we are looking for, while this turns out to be a projection and cannot be objective proof because it still moves in what I already said about the cow. There is nothing more we can do than observe and from there  learning like a relentless stream until our minds go into tricks and we are flung ashore.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on February 01, 2023, 05:01:08 PM
Quote from: Florestan on February 01, 2023, 12:52:06 AMEven if they do, that's not a good reason to leave the forum. Most members here stick to music threads and are perfectly fine with it. There must be something else at play.

I'm aware that this is going to be a speculation on my part and perhaps won't add anything particularly relevant to the discussion, but I suspect that person has multiple accounts and has created ones with the usernames Klavierman and/or Bachtoven. I do read the posts of many here and I've detected similarities in their posts from long ago (he has been on the another forum too). It's also curious to notice that Kontrapunctus deleted his/her account and then Bachtoven created one.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 02, 2023, 05:36:34 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 01, 2023, 05:01:08 PMI'm aware that this is going to be a speculation on my part and perhaps won't add anything particularly relevant to the discussion, but I suspect that person has multiple accounts and has created ones with the usernames Klavierman and/or Bachtoven. I do read the posts of many here and I've detected similarities in their posts from long ago (he has been on the another forum too). It's also curious to notice that Kontrapunctus deleted his/her account and then Bachtoven created one.

It is tempting to engage this these sorts of speculations, but I don't find them convincing. It would be easy to detect this sort of thing if site administrator could compare the IP numbers used.

I vaguely remember that kontrapuntus was a username previously used by Bulldog's brother.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on February 02, 2023, 07:58:14 AM
Looks like John / Mirror Image has decided to delete his account...



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 02, 2023, 08:12:16 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on February 02, 2023, 07:58:14 AMLooks like John / Mirror Image has decided to delete his account...

He stated his reasons for why he should delete his account in a recent message he sent to me and I must say they were rather strong. Still, he said "should" not "would" and I didn't expect him to really take action. I, for one, will miss him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on February 02, 2023, 08:27:35 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 02, 2023, 08:12:16 AMHe stated his reasons for why he should delete his account in a recent message he sent to me and I must say they were rather strong. Still, he said "should" not "would" and I didn't expect him to really take action. I, for one, will miss him.

Fair enough, still a shame indeed.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on February 02, 2023, 08:59:30 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on February 02, 2023, 08:27:35 AMFair enough, still a shame indeed.


Yes, unfortunate. A lot of knowledge was lost to the forum with his departure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on February 02, 2023, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 02, 2023, 08:12:16 AMHe stated his reasons for why he should delete his account in a recent message he sent to me and I must say they were rather strong. Still, he said "should" not "would" and I didn't expect him to really take action. I, for one, will miss him.
Quote from: Papy Oli on February 02, 2023, 08:27:35 AMFair enough, still a shame indeed.
Quote from: aligreto on February 02, 2023, 08:59:30 AMYes, unfortunate. A lot of knowledge was lost to the forum with his departure.
Agreed, he was a very valuable member; I'm very sorry he took the decision to delete his account, he must have had his reasons to do so.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 02, 2023, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on February 02, 2023, 07:58:14 AMLooks like John / Mirror Image has decided to delete his account...

This site was important to him, based on the fact that he one of the most prolific posters (more than 60,000 posts over the years). I feel bad that he felt he had to leave it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on February 02, 2023, 10:06:03 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on February 02, 2023, 09:49:47 AMThis site was important to him, based on the fact that he one of the most prolific posters (more than 60,000 posts over the years). I feel bad that he felt he had to leave it.

It's a shame. He was kind and generous with me over the many years he was here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 02, 2023, 11:26:43 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 02, 2023, 08:12:16 AMHe stated his reasons for why he should delete his account in a recent message he sent to me and I must say they were rather strong. Still, he said "should" not "would" and I didn't expect him to really take action. I, for one, will miss him.
Yes, me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on February 03, 2023, 05:25:16 AM
I appreciate that every site has strong personalities and passionately held opinions. Resultant conflicts or spats are inevitable in cyberspace because human nature is what it is. Having said that, I presently rarely post or visit GMG - although I don't have any interpersonal issues whatsoever, I don't enjoy the way in which members are sometimes treated or the tone of those conversations. 

Despite his undoubted culpability in this area, I also miss MI. I think the particular episode that precipitated his leaving was instrumental in my own stepping back, along with an observed series of particularly acerbic exchanges around the same time. I may feel differently about my involvement in the site over time, but I suspect others were equally saddened. No drama, hence no flouncing out with fanfares or recriminations. I doubt my absence was even really noted, all of which is fine. There is undoubtedly a great deal of good here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aligreto on February 03, 2023, 05:30:45 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on February 03, 2023, 05:25:16 AMI appreciate that every site has strong personalities and passionately held opinions. Resultant conflicts or spats are inevitable in cyberspace because human nature is what it is. Having said that, I presently rarely post or visit GMG - although I don't have any interpersonal issues whatsoever, I don't enjoy the way in which members are sometimes treated or the tone of those conversations. 

Despite his undoubted culpability in this area, I also miss MI. I think the particular episode that precipitated his leaving was instrumental in my own stepping back, along with an observed series of particularly acerbic exchanges around the same time. I may feel differently about my involvement in the site over time, but I suspect others were equally saddened. No drama, hence no flouncing out with fanfares or recriminations. I doubt my absence was even really noted, all of which is fine. There is undoubtedly a great deal of good here.

All very well and even-handedly put.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 03, 2023, 05:39:17 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on February 03, 2023, 05:25:16 AMI doubt my absence was even really noted, all of which is fine. There is undoubtedly a great deal of good here.
You can put the doubts away; just last week I saw your name in a "composer" thread and thought "aha! and where is foxandpeng?" and checked your profile to make sure you were still logging in. The maturity and fairness of this post make it evident why I would be seeking out your contributions.

I think I completely missed whatever this now-notorious incident was, or what it was about. In my recent experiences (past 3-6 months), there seem to be some disagreements in the "what are you listening to" thread and the audiophile thread is certainly a danger zone, but the Composers board in particular remains an extraordinary resource for learning more about music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 03, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
Quote from: ultralinear on February 03, 2023, 06:31:41 AMIncorrect. ;D

+1
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on February 03, 2023, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 03, 2023, 05:39:17 AMthe Composers board in particular remains an extraordinary resource for learning more about music.

That's where I spend most of my time perusing. I like even posting what I am listening to in the composer specific thread, rather than the "What are you listening to....".

Great Recordings section and What are you eating are other areas I check out, along with the Missing Members thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 03, 2023, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 03, 2023, 05:39:17 AMYou can put the doubts away; just last week I saw your name in a "composer" thread and thought "aha! and where is foxandpeng?" and checked your profile to make sure you were still logging in. The maturity and fairness of this post make it evident why I would be seeking out your contributions.

I think I completely missed whatever this now-notorious incident was, or what it was about. In my recent experiences (past 3-6 months), there seem to be some disagreements in the "what are you listening to" thread and the audiophile thread is certainly a danger zone, but the Composers board in particular remains an extraordinary resource for learning more about music.

Excuse me, but I don't think you completely missed it. Didn't you say some nasty things about Mirror Image in this very thread?

I don't want to rake the whole thing over again. He's decided to completely leave. He was already pretty much out the door. It's sad. But please, let's not discuss it JUST to say "I don't know".

And count me as a person who has thoroughly enjoyed foxandpeng's contributions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 03, 2023, 11:40:50 AM
Quote from: Madiel on February 03, 2023, 11:29:06 AMExcuse me, but I don't think you completely missed it. Didn't you say some nasty things about Mirror Image in this very thread?

I don't want to rake the whole thing over again. He's decided to completely leave. He was already pretty much out the door. It's sad. But please, let's not discuss it JUST to say "I don't know".

Yes to all of the above.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 03, 2023, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Madiel on February 03, 2023, 11:29:06 AMExcuse me, but I don't think you completely missed it. Didn't you say some nasty things about Mirror Image in this very thread?
I said some candid things about him, but long after his permanent departure, from the first time everyone wondered why he had left.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 03, 2023, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on February 03, 2023, 05:25:16 AMI appreciate that every site has strong personalities and passionately held opinions. Resultant conflicts or spats are inevitable in cyberspace because human nature is what it is. Having said that, I presently rarely post or visit GMG - although I don't have any interpersonal issues whatsoever, I don't enjoy the way in which members are sometimes treated or the tone of those conversations. 

Despite his undoubted culpability in this area, I also miss MI. I think the particular episode that precipitated his leaving was instrumental in my own stepping back, along with an observed series of particularly acerbic exchanges around the same time. I may feel differently about my involvement in the site over time, but I suspect others were equally saddened. No drama, hence no flouncing out with fanfares or recriminations. I doubt my absence was even really noted, all of which is fine. There is undoubtedly a great deal of good here.

I should be glad to see you oftener!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 03, 2023, 11:52:44 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 03, 2023, 11:47:21 AMI said some candid things about him

No, you didn't, Brian --- please, drop it right now. Just drop it.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 03, 2023, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: Brian on February 03, 2023, 11:47:21 AMI said some candid things about him, but long after his permanent departure, from the first time everyone wondered why he had left.

Disagree and it's basically the only time I have ever had negative thoughts about you. Which is why I would rather not be reminded about it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 04, 2023, 04:52:11 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on February 03, 2023, 05:25:16 AMI appreciate that every site has strong personalities and passionately held opinions. Resultant conflicts or spats are inevitable in cyberspace because human nature is what it is. Having said that, I presently rarely post or visit GMG - although I don't have any interpersonal issues whatsoever, I don't enjoy the way in which members are sometimes treated or the tone of those conversations. 

Despite his undoubted culpability in this area, I also miss MI. I think the particular episode that precipitated his leaving was instrumental in my own stepping back, along with an observed series of particularly acerbic exchanges around the same time. I may feel differently about my involvement in the site over time, but I suspect others were equally saddened. No drama, hence no flouncing out with fanfares or recriminations. I doubt my absence was even really noted, all of which is fine. There is undoubtedly a great deal of good here.
Yes, it was noted Danny.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 04, 2023, 07:42:31 AM
When did kyjo leave?

Edit: apologies, kyjo left but then returned with a new account and I saw a post by the old one and made an assumption. He's still around!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 06, 2023, 11:39:41 AM
I just got an alert saying that deprofundis has added me to their buddy list, but when I searched for deprofundis in the members list to send a  message saying hello, nothing came up.

What's going on?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 06, 2023, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 06, 2023, 11:39:41 AMI just got an alert saying that deprofundis has added me to their buddy list, but when I searched for deprofundis in the members list to send a  message saying hello, nothing came up.

What's going on?

When you change your username the system seems to remember your original username (it reverts to that if you delete your account). Is it possible that deprofundis changed his username but it reports the original name when it tells you about the buddy request.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 06, 2023, 12:04:28 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 06, 2023, 11:39:41 AMI just got an alert saying that deprofundis has added me to their buddy list, but when I searched for deprofundis in the members list to send a  message saying hello, nothing came up.

What's going on?
What is a buddy list?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 06, 2023, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 06, 2023, 12:04:28 PMWhat is a buddy list?

No idea, but whatever it is I'm on one!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mapman on February 06, 2023, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 06, 2023, 12:04:28 PMWhat is a buddy list?

If you click on a username next to a post, there is an option on the user profile page to add the user to your "buddy list". I just added you to mine to test it. I haven't found anything else that it does yet.

Edit: I've found one use for the buddy list. It is possible to only allow people on your buddy list (and administrators) to send you personal messages.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 06, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Mapman on February 06, 2023, 12:12:23 PMIf you click on a username next to a post, there is an option on the user profile page to add the user to your "buddy list". I just added you to mine to test it. I haven't found anything else that it does yet.

Edit: I've found one use for the buddy list. It is possible to only allow people on your buddy list (and administrators) to send you personal messages.
Many thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on February 06, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 06, 2023, 11:39:41 AMI just got an alert saying that deprofundis has added me to their buddy list, but when I searched for deprofundis in the members list to send a  message saying hello, nothing came up.

What's going on?

Deprofundis was a former member here, with many issues (as it turned out), whose account was deleted. Since that time, he has tried to re-register under different names.

Apparently he added you to his buddy list, before his account was deleted (again).

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 06, 2023, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: brewski on February 06, 2023, 01:19:53 PMDeprofundis was a former member here, with many issues (as it turned out), whose account was deleted. Since that time, he has tried to re-register under different names.

Apparently he added you to his buddy list, before his account was deleted (again).

-Bruce

Ah, I am disappointed that his behaviour led the moderators to the decision to delete his account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 07, 2023, 02:03:20 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 06, 2023, 01:44:11 PMAh, I am disappointed that his behaviour led the moderators to the decision to delete his account.

I had no idea his account(s) was/were deleted by the mods and honestly, I am surprised by that. He used to start half a dozen new threads every week and wrote the worst English I ever read but other than that I can't think of any real annoyance he created that might have justified a ban. His exclusive interest was Renaissance music and never posted in political threads. I am truly puzzled.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 07, 2023, 05:15:36 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 07, 2023, 02:03:20 AMI had no idea his account(s) was/were deleted by the mods and honestly, I am surprised by that. He used to start half a dozen new threads every week and wrote the worst English I ever read but other than that I can't think of any real annoyance he created that might have justified a ban. His exclusive interest was Renaissance music and never posted in political threads. I am truly puzzled.

I have a similar impression, although I probably only saw 1% of what he posted, and some of it was rather bizarre.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2023, 06:48:23 AM
I daresay the moderators have seen a lot of things behind the scenes that they are too classy to disclose in public. Maybe they'll write tell-all memoirs some day.  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on February 07, 2023, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 07, 2023, 06:48:23 AMI daresay the moderators have seen a lot of things behind the scenes that they are too classy to disclose in public. Maybe they'll write tell-all memoirs some day.  :P

You would be correct.

(Speaking solely for myself, I will pledge to contribute all profits from the sale of our best-selling book to the soon-to-be-formed nonprofit dedicated to maintaining this platform. ;D)

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Maestro267 on February 07, 2023, 07:51:42 AM
After snyprrr or whoever from back in the day, the most bizarre person I've ever encountered on a forum. And they were here for *years*...I wonder why their English didn't even remotely improve.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on February 07, 2023, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on February 07, 2023, 07:51:42 AMAfter snyprrr or whoever from back in the day, the most bizarre person I've ever encountered on a forum. And they were here for *years*...I wonder why their English didn't even remotely improve.


How about your foreign language skills?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on February 07, 2023, 08:33:43 AM
I am pretty certain that deprofundis is dyslexic. It isn't a question of his English, he had difficulty with spelling in his native language.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 07, 2023, 09:59:20 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 07, 2023, 08:33:43 AMI am pretty certain that deprofundis is dyslexic. It isn't a question of his English, he had difficulty with spelling in his native language.


Yes, this is my impression too.

As to deprofundis I saw that he had registered a week ago, but apparently his account is deleted again - don't know by whom. He may have added you as buddy within that week.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on February 08, 2023, 03:52:28 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on February 07, 2023, 08:33:43 AMI am pretty certain that deprofundis is dyslexic. It isn't a question of his English, he had difficulty with spelling in his native language.


Thanks, I am not sure that had occurred to me. (The language difficulty, yes, but not the possible cause of it.)

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 08, 2023, 04:04:25 AM
Quote from: brewski on February 08, 2023, 03:52:28 AMI am not sure that had occurred to me.

It certainly hadn't to me.

If I remember correctly, he once stated that he was badly beaten by a skinhead gang. It might have damaged him neurologically.

Still, I can't remember him publicly breaking any forum rule or being aggressive / disrespectful towards other members.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on February 08, 2023, 04:08:05 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 08, 2023, 04:04:25 AMIt certainly hadn't to me.

If I remember correctly, he once stated that he was badly beaten by a skinhead gang. It might have damaged him neurologically.

Still, I can't remember him publicly breaking any forum rule or being aggressive / disrespectful towards other members.

Possibly because some posts were zapped before other people saw them. ;D

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on February 08, 2023, 04:19:28 AM
Quote from: brewski on February 08, 2023, 04:08:05 AMPossibly because some posts were zapped before other people saw them. ;D

I'm sure this was the case.

My whole point is that I wouldn't have imagined him being banned, he seemed to me strange but innocuous --- but then again appearances are deceptive.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mookalafalas on March 02, 2023, 03:41:05 AM
Quote from: Florestan on February 08, 2023, 04:04:25 AMIt certainly hadn't to me.

If I remember correctly, he once stated that he was badly beaten by a skinhead gang. It might have damaged him neurologically.

Still, I can't remember him publicly breaking any forum rule or being aggressive / disrespectful towards other members.

  I believe, early on, he said he was institutionalized, related to substance abuse, among other issues. I often felt sorry for him. He seemed to be terribly lonely and desperately reaching out at times, but his issues were well beyond this type of forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on March 05, 2023, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: Mookalafalas on March 02, 2023, 03:41:05 AMI believe, early on, he said he was institutionalized, related to substance abuse, among other issues. I often felt sorry for him. He seemed to be terribly lonely and desperately reaching out at times, but his issues were well beyond this type of forum.

I think deprofundis was often troubled by the demons in his head that sometimes provide an outlet on this forum. It may be a man in need who has no control over his verbal expressions at such moments. Clearly he was trying to find a haven  on this forum. I personally can't blame him much given his unfortunate mental state. With some reservations I hold the view that to understand all is to forgive all.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 05, 2023, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on February 02, 2023, 10:06:03 AMIt's a shame. He was kind and generous with me over the many years he was here.
Yes, with me too - extraordinarily generous.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 05, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Karl Tirebiter Henning on February 03, 2023, 11:49:00 AMI should be glad to see you oftener!
Me too.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on March 07, 2023, 02:56:59 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Neal? @mc ukrneal rneal

With the distinct black panther avatar.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 07, 2023, 03:15:45 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on March 07, 2023, 02:56:59 PMDoes anyone know what happened to Neal? @mc ukrneal rneal

With the distinct black panther avatar.



He was complaining about uncivil behavior on the forum around the time he made his last posts, so I would imagine that is the issue.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on March 08, 2023, 12:28:29 AM
I haven't seen André for a while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 03:37:49 AM
Quote from: Que on March 08, 2023, 12:28:29 AMI haven't seen André for a while.

I can think of one Andre and he posts here every five minutes. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 08, 2023, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Que on March 08, 2023, 12:28:29 AMI haven't seen André for a while.
Nor me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on March 08, 2023, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 03:37:49 AMI can think of one Andre and he posts here every five minutes. :)
Quote from: Karl Tirebiter Henning on March 08, 2023, 08:41:03 AMNor me.
Are you gents referring to André Le Nôtre?  If so, he posted asking for suggestions as to where to visit, etc. in an upcoming trip to Spain (a rather detailed post).  I want to say that this was sometime in the past week?

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on March 08, 2023, 12:07:38 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on March 08, 2023, 12:05:24 PMAre you gents referring to André Le Nôtre?  If so, he posted asking for suggestions as to where to visit, etc. in an upcoming trip to Spain (a rather detailed post).  I want to say that this was sometime in the past week?

PD

No, another Andre.  @André
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on March 08, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
Ah!  O.k.  Thanks.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on March 08, 2023, 12:07:38 PMNo, another Andre.  @André

Oh, that Andre. I have a vague recollection that his absence was noted over this past summer and he popped in to say that things are fine, he's just busy and will resume his former participation. But that didn't really happen.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 05:07:20 PM
San Antone has been absent for about half a year.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on March 08, 2023, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 05:07:20 PMSan Antone has been absent for about half a year.

Was wondering about him earlier today.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 08, 2023, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 05:07:20 PMSan Antone has been absent for about half a year.
I should reach out to him. 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 05:26:09 PM
I seem to recall he was retiring and moving houses. Things I seem to remember can be inaccurate, however.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on March 08, 2023, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 04:56:32 PMOh, that Andre. I have a vague recollection that his absence was noted over this past summer and he popped in to say that things are fine, he's just busy and will resume his former participation. But that didn't really happen.


Your memory is more or less correct, although I seem to remember this was by email with a GMGer, and not his own post.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on March 08, 2023, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 05:07:20 PMSan Antone has been absent for about half a year.

He is very active at TC.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 09, 2023, 12:49:25 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 08, 2023, 04:56:32 PMOh, that Andre. I have a vague recollection that his absence was noted over this past summer and he popped in to say that things are fine, he's just busy and will resume his former participation. But that didn't really happen.

Yes, that's right. He has been a very good and generous GMG friend and I have been in touch with him - but not for a while. I miss his presence here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: San Antone on March 09, 2023, 05:39:15 AM
Hi guys - thanks for thinking of me.  I have been otherwise occupied, but do wonder from time to time what's going on over at GMG; and then I received an email from Karl.  So thought I'd check in.

Looks like things have changed a bit with the look of the forum.  Nice.

 :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on March 09, 2023, 05:50:05 AM
Quote from: San Antone on March 09, 2023, 05:39:15 AMHi guys - thanks for thinking of me.  I have been otherwise occupied, but do wonder from time to time what's going on over at GMG; and then I received an email from Karl.  So thought I'd check in.

Looks like things have changed a bit with the look of the forum.  Nice.

 :)

Very nice to see you again! It took a while to get used to the new forum layout and look, but boy do I love it now!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on March 09, 2023, 01:58:41 PM
What about Bill @Bogey? It's been awhile!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 22, 2023, 03:13:54 AM
Whatever happened to the two Mike mods, Knight66 and Gurn Blanston? They haven't been active since January. I do hope they are okay. Maybe @Que and @brewski know more and can enlighten us.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on March 22, 2023, 04:11:56 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 22, 2023, 03:13:54 AMWhatever happened to the two Mike mods, Knight66 and Gurn Blanston? They haven't been active since January. I do hope they are okay. Maybe @Que and @brewski know more and can enlighten us.

I can assure you that both Mike's are just fine, and thriving elsewhere. Since Twitter is a public arena, I think it's fine to mention Mike Brook's handle — https://twitter.com/mikedbrook — where he posts many of his own photographs. Gurn has a very knowledge-filled website (for anyone who loves Haydn who hasn't found it yet): Haydn Seek, https://www.fjhaydn.com/.

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 22, 2023, 04:13:32 AM
Quote from: brewski on March 22, 2023, 04:11:56 AMI can assure you that both Mike's are just fine, and thriving elsewhere. Since Twitter is a public arena, I think it's fine to mention Mike Brook's handle — https://twitter.com/mikedbrook — where he posts many of his own photographs. Gurn has a very knowledge-filled website (for anyone who loves Haydn who hasn't found it yet): Haydn Seek, https://www.fjhaydn.com/.

-Bruce

Thanks, Bruce, good to know they are fine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on March 22, 2023, 04:17:46 AM
One other Mike I was wondering about yesterday and hope he is doing well - @some guy

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 25, 2023, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: Florestan on March 22, 2023, 03:13:54 AMWhatever happened to the two Mike mods, Knight66 and Gurn Blanston? They haven't been active since January. I do hope they are okay. Maybe @Que and @brewski know more and can enlighten us.
I see them on Facebook periodically. All is well, Andrei.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 02, 2023, 08:48:07 AM
Any Fergus sightings? @aligreto
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 02, 2023, 01:25:44 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 02, 2023, 08:48:07 AMAny Fergus sightings? @aligreto
He has posted recently in the non-classical music listening thread.  And also in the vinyl thread.  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on April 04, 2023, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 02, 2023, 01:25:44 PMHe has posted recently in the non-classical music listening thread.  And also in the vinyl thread.  :)

PD
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Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 02, 2023, 01:25:44 PMHe has posted recently in the non-classical music listening thread.  And also in the vinyl thread.  :)

PD

I can't help it but I have a bad feeling about the reasons for his absence.He was not active for  a while and returned with his usual enthousiasme.He is also active on another forum and also there no activity the last ten days.I hope there is nothing serious .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 04, 2023, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Traverso on April 04, 2023, 12:16:32 PMop
I can't help it but I have a bad feeling about the reasons for his absence.He was not active for  a while and returned with his usual enthousiasme.He is also active on another forum and also there no activity the last ten days.I hope there is nothing serious .

I hope so too, and hope it is only a temporary absence.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 04, 2023, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 04, 2023, 12:26:02 PMI hope so too, and hope it is only a temporary absence.
+1.

Aligreto was absent for quite some time in the spring of last year (I asked about him then), but then came back. Let's hope this is just another sabbatical.

I miss André as well. Would love to see him back on GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 04, 2023, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: ritter on April 04, 2023, 12:30:50 PMI miss André as well. Would love to see him back on GMG.

Indeed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 04, 2023, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: ritter on April 04, 2023, 12:30:50 PM+1.

Aligreto was absent for quite some time in the spring of last year (I asked about him then), but then came back. Let's hope this is just another sabbatical.

I miss André as well. Would love to see him back on GMG.
Very much agree on both counts. I was thinking of André yesterday.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 04, 2023, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: Traverso on April 04, 2023, 12:16:32 PMI can't help it but I have a bad feeling about the reasons for his absence.He was not active for  a while and returned with his usual enthousiasme.He is also active on another forum and also there no activity the last ten days.I hope there is nothing serious .

Yes, considering the many posts he wrote during March in the other forum until the sudden stop March 26., there may be reason for concern.
 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 05, 2023, 01:18:09 AM
Quote from: premont on April 04, 2023, 11:26:00 PMYes, considering the many posts he wrote during March in the other forum until the sudden stop March 26., there may be reason for concern.
 

I just sent aligreto an e-mail expressing our concern and kindly asking him to relieve us by letting us know he's fine. I hope we'll hear from him soon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 05, 2023, 02:16:27 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 05, 2023, 01:18:09 AMI just sent aligreto an e-mail expressing our concern and kindly asking him to relieve us by letting us know he's fine. I hope we'll hear from him soon.
Thanks for doing that Andrei.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on April 06, 2023, 01:24:32 AM
Fergus (@aligreto) is keeping well and is currently enjoying a break  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 06, 2023, 01:40:49 AM
Quote from: Papy Oli on April 06, 2023, 01:24:32 AMFergus (@aligreto) is keeping well and is currently enjoying a break  ;)

I confirm this good news. All is well, folks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 10, 2023, 05:42:34 AM
Am I missing something, or has bhodges account been deleted?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 10, 2023, 05:44:33 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 10, 2023, 05:42:34 AMAm I missing something, or has bhodges account been deleted?

He is still around but had to recently recreate an account if I recall him saying.

@brewski
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 10, 2023, 05:45:13 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 10, 2023, 05:44:33 AMHe is still around but had to recently recreate an account if I recall him saying.

@brewski

Duh! I wandered into an old thread and saw the old moniker.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on April 10, 2023, 05:53:38 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 10, 2023, 05:42:34 AMAm I missing something, or has bhodges account been deleted?

A mild embarrassment, yes, when a few months ago I tried to delete a bot on my phone, and zapped my own account instead. :-[ Ah well, there are more important things in life to obsess on.

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brahmsian on April 13, 2023, 12:28:12 PM
I just noticed that Traverso has deleted his account.  :o  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 13, 2023, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 13, 2023, 12:28:12 PMI just noticed that Traverso has deleted his account.  :o  :(

Ugh, jeez, that was very quick and that is sad.  :(  :(

We removed an artsy NSFW picture from a Traverso post, and he communicated that the reaction surprised him. When you wrote this update, I was busy writing him a PM to make peace. Out of respect I won't say anything else, but in general, we want as many people as possible to feel happy and comfortable here. And as the leadership team, we don't mind talking about things like that via PM. Our boxes are open. Hope to see Traverso back again.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 13, 2023, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: Brian on April 13, 2023, 12:51:02 PMUgh, jeez, that was very quick and that is sad.  :(  :(

We removed an artsy NSFW picture from a Traverso post, and he communicated that the reaction surprised him. When you wrote this update, I was busy writing him a PM to make peace. Out of respect I won't say anything else, but in general, we want as many people as possible to feel happy and comfortable here. And as the leadership team, we don't mind talking about things like that via PM. Our boxes are open. Hope to see Traverso back again.
Sad, indeed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 13, 2023, 01:20:24 PM
What on earth is "artsy NSFW"?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 13, 2023, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: Madiel on April 13, 2023, 01:20:24 PMWhat on earth is "artsy NSFW"?


The link was to a black-and-white female nude.  It was not erotic, but...okay, not safe for work.

The reaction to leave is very surprising and, yes, sad!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 13, 2023, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 13, 2023, 01:38:55 PMThe link was to a black-and-white female nude.  It was not erotic, but...okay, not safe for work.

The reaction to leave is very surprising and, yes, sad!

Currently all I'm getting in my head is this: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/25/florida-principal-resigns-michelangelo-david
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on April 13, 2023, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 13, 2023, 01:38:55 PMThe link was to a black-and-white female nude.  It was not erotic, but...okay, not safe for work.

The reaction to leave is very surprising and, yes, sad!

And fortunately for us, reversed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 14, 2023, 01:35:36 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on April 13, 2023, 12:28:12 PMI just noticed that Traverso has deleted his account.  :o  :(
Sorry to hear that  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 14, 2023, 01:49:36 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 14, 2023, 01:35:36 AMSorry to hear that  :(

Fortunately Traverso only went MIA for a brief moment.  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 14, 2023, 02:10:32 AM
Quote from: Que on April 14, 2023, 01:49:36 AMFortunately Traverso only went MIA for a brief moment.  8)
Oh, that's excellent news!
Thank you!
 :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 14, 2023, 02:08:05 PM
Quote from: Madiel on April 13, 2023, 01:43:27 PMCurrently all I'm getting in my head is this: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/25/florida-principal-resigns-michelangelo-david

Just stupidity!  :-\  As a freshman undergrad at the U of Michigan in the mid-1960s, I had 2 courses in Art History (used Janson's text; own a recent edition still) which were my favorites that year - of course, there were plenty of 'nude' sculptures and paintings - then in a trip to Italy in 1971, wife and I visited Florence and saw the David (my name but little similarity -  ;D) - just do not understand this frame of mind (or lack of a brain?).  Dave :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 14, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 14, 2023, 02:08:05 PMJust stupidity!  :-\  As a freshman undergrad at the U of Michigan in the mid-1960s, I had 2 courses in Art History (used Janson's text; own a recent edition still) which were my favorites that year - of course, there were plenty of 'nude' sculptures and paintings - then in a trip to Italy in 1971, wife and I visited Florence and saw the David (my name but little similarity -  ;D) - just do not understand this frame of mind (or lack of a brain?).  Dave :)

The details are: the school was supposed to notify parents that Michelangelo's art would be shown and discussed.

Those who did not want their children to participate could have them exempted from the discussion.

The letter - through some sort of chain of mistakes - was never sent.  The teacher was therefore under the impression that everything was fine.

Most of the parents had no trouble with it....with or without prior notification.

But a few did and complained.

The principal, who took full responsibility for the mistake, resigned.

Some news reports claimed: "Michelangelo Banned at School," which was not the case.

I agree: ultimately very over-wrought, and the principal should not have been pushed out.   
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 15, 2023, 01:44:14 AM
The outraged parents are absolutely right, enough is enough! Those salacious purveyors of filth known as Graeco-Roman Antiquity and Italian Renaissance should be canceled once and for all. Call in the Taliban, they have extensive expertise in dealing with the matter.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 15, 2023, 04:02:48 PM
What happened to @OrchestralNut? He deleted his account.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 15, 2023, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: Løvfald on April 15, 2023, 04:02:48 PMWhat happened to @OrchestralNut? He deleted his account.

One of the people who was cranky about pictures being deleted. In fact talked about leaving a couple of days ago.

Deleting the cover of a Warner Classics album is I think a bit of a symbolic tipping point.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 15, 2023, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: Madiel on April 15, 2023, 05:51:41 PMOne of the people who was cranky about pictures being deleted. In fact talked about leaving a couple of days ago.

Hard to believe that that issue could open such a can of worms.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 15, 2023, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: Løvfald on April 15, 2023, 09:02:55 PMHard to believe that that issue could open such a can of worms.

I very much doubt the issue is the picture as such. But here is what Orchestral Nut said:

QuoteInterestingly, I might be leaving for the exact opposite reason.  I think the excessive and heavy handed prudishness is absolutely ridiculous and overboard.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 15, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: Madiel on April 15, 2023, 09:29:41 PMI very much doubt the issue is the picture as such. But here is what Orchestral Nut said:


I hope no one else will take anything too seriously and leave.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 15, 2023, 10:15:47 PM
I'm very sorry to see OrchestraNut go, and hope he will reconsider and return.

I hope that our new moderators take note, the actions they take can alienate forum members, even members who are not directly involved.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 01:56:29 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 15, 2023, 10:15:47 PMI'm very sorry to see OrchestraNut go, and hope he will reconsider and return.

+ 1

Ray, please, if you read this, come back! It's not worth it, my friend!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: Løvfald on April 15, 2023, 09:02:55 PMHard to believe that that issue could open such a can of worms.

According to the absolutely trustworthy testimony of a former moderator, the most belligerent, uncivil and unpleasant thread ever was one dealing with Haydn's string quartets , of all subject matters--- it ended up in some of nastiest ad hominem I ever read, not only here but on the entire internet; I know because the moderator saved some specimens and was kind enough to share them with me.  ;D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 16, 2023, 03:30:47 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 01:56:29 AMRay, please, if you read this, come back! It's not worth it, my friend!


It's certainly not worth it, I think. There is no moral policing here, even though some actually advocate it.

I once briefly joined CMG, when GMG was out for the 1st time since I became a member. I left within days after one of the moderators pontificated about the Netherlands being overrun by Muslim hordes, with drug addicts roaming the streets and the elderly euthanised en masse. I ran away as fast as my virtual legs could carry me...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 16, 2023, 04:08:05 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 01:56:29 AM+ 1

Ray, please, if you read this, come back! It's not worth it, my friend!


+ 2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 04:16:16 AM
Quote from: Que on April 16, 2023, 03:30:47 AMIt's certainly not worth it, I think. There is no moral policing here, even though some actually advocate it.

I once briefly joined CMG, when GMG was out for the 1st time since I became a member. I left within days after one of the moderators pontificated about the Netherlands being overrun by Muslim hordes, with drug addicts roaming the streets and the elderly euthanised en masse. I ran away as fast as my virtual legs could carry me...

I said it before and I say it now again: imho GMG is the best of its kind, despite occasional, and ultimately minor, bugs. That fully grown-up and educated, even widely cultured, adults sometimes behave like spoiled children (and this includes me, in spades) it's human nature, after all. And it's encouraging to notice that most members who have left in a fit of rage have eventually returned. Myself, I'll only leave GMG the day I'll die, and instruct my relatives to post an obituary here.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 16, 2023, 05:48:41 AM
Quote from: Løvfald on April 15, 2023, 04:02:48 PMWhat happened to @OrchestralNut? He deleted his account.

Quote from: Brahmsian on April 14, 2023, 11:06:01 AMInterestingly, I might be leaving for the exact opposite reason.  I think the excessive and heavy handed prudishness is absolutely ridiculous and overboard.

I am happy to see, that OrchestralNut still visits GMG as the guest Brahmsian. Hopefully we can persuade him to return fully.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 05:53:16 AM
Quote from: premont on April 16, 2023, 05:48:41 AMI am happy to see, that OrchestralNut still visits GMG as the guest Brahmsian. Hopefully we can persuade him to return fully.

Yes, this. Come on, Ray, please return fully.

Hey, matey, don't let me down! United we stand!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 16, 2023, 06:03:09 AM
Quote from: premont on April 16, 2023, 05:48:41 AMI am happy to see, that OrchestralNut still visits GMG as the guest Brahmsian. Hopefully we can persuade him to return fully.

That's not how I interpret that. I think when OrchestralNut created his account he chose the name Brahmsian. When he later changed the name (more than once, I think) Brahmsian remained the underlying name even though his profile contained information to the effect that a new name should be substituted. When he deleted his account his old posts defaulted to the original name.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 16, 2023, 06:18:56 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 16, 2023, 06:03:09 AMThat's not how I interpret that. I think when OrchestralNut created his account he chose the name Brahmsian. When he later changed the name (more than once, I think) Brahmsian remained the underlying name even though his profile contained information to the effect that a new name should be substituted. When he deleted his account his old posts defaulted to the original name.

You may of course be right. I didn't recall his original username. But still I hope he can be persuaded to return. It seems to me that this NSFW case has been a tempest in a teacup.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 16, 2023, 06:23:27 AM
Quote from: premont on April 16, 2023, 06:18:56 AMYou may of course be right. I didn't recall his original username. But still I hope he can be persuaded to return. It seems to me that this NSFW case has been a tempest in a teacup.
One thing I have learned about this place is that it is almost always tempests in teacups.  ;D

Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 16, 2023, 06:03:09 AMThat's not how I interpret that. I think when OrchestralNut created his account he chose the name Brahmsian. When he later changed the name (more than once, I think) Brahmsian remained the underlying name even though his profile contained information to the effect that a new name should be substituted. When he deleted his account his old posts defaulted to the original name.
This is correct.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 06:30:35 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 16, 2023, 06:23:27 AMOne thing I have learned about this place is that it is almost always tempests in teacups.  ;D

Yes on retrospect --- on the spot and in the heat of the moment it's Sturm und Drang alright. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 16, 2023, 07:16:22 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 06:30:35 AMYes on retrospect --- on the spot and in the heat of the moment it's Sturm und Drang alright. ;D
A test I like to apply is I imagine someone in real life saying, "Why are you typing?" And then I imagine having to explain "Here is what is happening on the internet..."  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 07:21:47 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 16, 2023, 07:16:22 AMA test I like to apply is I imagine someone in real life saying, "Why are you typing?" And then I imagine having to explain "Here is what is happening on the internet..."  ;D

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:22:22 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 06:30:35 AMYes on retrospect --- on the spot and in the heat of the moment it's Sturm und Drang alright. ;D

I am impressed at the fact that all those whose casual sexism created this problem in the first place are now so desperately keen to regard the matter as something that should all just be swept past and treated as of no consequence. Janus would be feeling entirely at home, right about now.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 16, 2023, 07:41:53 AM
Quote from: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:22:22 AMI am impressed at the fact that all those whose casual sexism created this problem in the first place are now so desperately keen to regard the matter as something that should all just be swept past and treated as of no consequence. Janus would be feeling entirely at home, right about now.
To be fair, OrchestralNut seemingly left because of the photo thing, not because of the larger issue at hand:
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,32264.msg1508272.html#msg1508272

Edit: let's be charitable and assume Florestan deleted that comment because deleting it was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:43:24 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 16, 2023, 07:41:53 AMTo be fair, OrchestralNut seemingly left because of the photo thing, not because of the larger issue at hand:
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,32264.msg1508272.html#msg1508272



Yeah, but my point was that the casual sexism thing provoked the mods into deleting an album cover, and that's what triggered him.
If we hadn't had 'poor girl can't fit into the dress' posts, we wouldn't have CD covers being deleted in the first place, I feel fairly confident.
I don't criticise the mods, by the way. It's a tricky ship to steer. But whatever the merits of the mod decisions, had the situation never arisen in the first place, they wouldn't need to have even been considered.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 07:46:54 AM
Quote from: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:22:22 AMI am impressed at the fact that all those whose casual sexism created this problem in the first place are now so desperately keen

Oh, my God! Here we go again!

What do you mods think about this lame and sorry excuse of a wretched attempt to revive a dead horse?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 07:49:03 AM
Quote from: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:39:38 AMImpressively quick to delete, but instructive that you, so full of concern that no-one should leave, ever felt able to post the below.

Is it OK to post this such that I could read it, but then delete it so you could pose as a 'voice of reason'?

How's that sense of consistency going for you?

I am not ashamed of that. I still stand by it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 07:46:54 AMOh, my God! Here we go again!

What do you mods think about this lame and sorry excuse of a wretched attempt to revive a dead horse?

Yeah, not quite what you originally posted, was it?

Regarding dead horses, my point made here, in this thread, was precisely that those who trivialised casual sexism are really rather desperate to regard it, and have it generally regarded, as a dead horse -but that some of us, at least, do not regard it as such. Your comment merely serves to prove my point.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 16, 2023, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:43:24 AMYeah, but my point was that the casual sexism thing provoked the mods into deleting an album cover, and that's what triggered him.

He left because of what he considered too strict moderating -  not because of the pictures or comments which caused this moderating.

Brahmsian = OrchestralNut

Quote from: Brahmsian on April 14, 2023, 11:06:01 AMInterestingly, I might be leaving for the exact opposite reason.  I think the excessive and heavy handed prudishness is absolutely ridiculous and overboard.

I also think the moderation was a bit too strict - the matter was simply too insignificant - but moderators have a difficult job. No matter what they do, someone is going to complain about it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 16, 2023, 08:08:17 AM
Quote from: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 07:43:24 AMIf we hadn't had 'poor girl can't fit into the dress' posts, we wouldn't have CD covers being deleted in the first place, I feel fairly confident.

This seems fair.

Quote from: Florestan on April 16, 2023, 07:46:54 AMWhat do you mods think about this lame and sorry excuse of a wretched attempt to revive a dead horse?

Honestly? My main thought is: we mods will do a better job when people don't make us do our jobs every day!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 16, 2023, 08:12:28 AM
Quote from: premont on April 16, 2023, 08:06:14 AM... but moderators have a difficult job. No matter what they do, someone is going to complain about it.
This.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: ritter on April 16, 2023, 08:14:11 AM
The moderation team has reminded all members about the rules of the forum. For those who may have missed it, the post can be read here: https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,32264.msg1507967.html#msg1507967.

The aim of that post is to avoid this kind of situations from arising again, having taken into consideration the input of all posters. There is no intention of sweeping anything under the carpet, and what happened in the past can unfortunately not be changed.

Now, I trust that all members will understand that continuing this discussion ad nauseam, throwing blame around, calling each other names and using foul language is a sterile exercise, which will only increase tensions and unpleasantness on the forum. We all know that being proven right (or proving others wrong,) on the internet is futile and can drag on eternally. Can we move on, then, and start talking about music (or other issues in The Diner)?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: absolutelybaching on April 16, 2023, 08:21:23 AM
Quote from: ritter on April 16, 2023, 08:14:11 AMThe moderation team has reminded all members about the rules of the forum. For those who may have missed it, the post can be read here: https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,32264.msg1507967.html#msg1507967.

The aim of this post is to avoid this kind of situations from arising again, having taken into consideration the input of all posters. There is no intention of sweeping anything under the carpet, and what happened in the past can unfortunately not be changed.

Now, I trust the all members will understand that continuing this discussion ad nauseam, throwing blame around, calling each other names and using foul language is a sterile exercise, which will only increase tensions and unpleasantness on the forum. We all know that being provrn right, or proving others wrong, on the internet is futile and can drag on eternally. Can we move on, then, and start talking about music (or other issues in The Diner)?

Thanks.

It is precisely because this thread is not in the 'general' areas that I felt it legitimate to post a two-sentence observation (back at the end of page 211), which didn't even mention anyone specifically by name, let alone call anyone names.

The "level of unpleasantness" is rather better evidenced by the two posts I received in consequence of making that observation.

Even-handedness does not seem appropriate at that point, but the moderators must moderate as they deem appropriate.

I've raised the issue that certain members here have no problem with exhibiting and condoning casual sexism. I can do no more. I'm done posting on this site until that issue is addressed, which I sense it won't be.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 16, 2023, 10:36:59 AM
Speaking of Missing Members, what happened to ANGEL...


 whose last name was EMOTICON  ?   :o


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on April 16, 2023, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: Cato on April 16, 2023, 10:36:59 AMSpeaking of Missing Members, what happened to ANGEL...


 whose last name was EMOTICON  ?  :o



I tried this one out on Karl's thread and quite liked it: (https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/de4bc7f0-d338-4710-92a8-8f21bff0780d/dbw204i-1cd5cf31-296e-4768-9ef3-26bc490663b8.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_718,q_75,strp/angel_emoji__by_najitz_dbw204i-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzE4IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZGU0YmM3ZjAtZDMzOC00NzEwLTkyYTgtOGYyMWJmZjA3ODBkXC9kYncyMDRpLTFjZDVjZjMxLTI5NmUtNDc2OC05ZWYzLTI2YmM0OTA2NjNiOC5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.I-ewhkXSrKUZ2vrxId-WYkd2F48j8jXbOD5le_CuST0)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on April 16, 2023, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: DavidW on April 16, 2023, 12:07:46 PMI tried this one out on Karl's thread and quite liked it...


Thanks!  Using that emoticon is an alternative to our own: I just need to work on the size!  ;D


Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: absolutelybaching on April 17, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
I see Florestan posting today as if telling another poster to eff-off four times means nothing.
It tells me all I need to know.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 17, 2023, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: absolutelybaching on April 17, 2023, 11:14:43 AMI see Florestan posting today as if telling another poster to eff-off four times means nothing.
It tells me all I need to know.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.

The matter has been dealt with both here and perhaps more importantly in the other thread that was linked to. What exactly are you looking to happen beyond that? A ban?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 19, 2023, 02:42:39 PM
^^He appears to have deleted almost all of his posts. Which seems a heck of a lot of effort unless there's some bulk method.

Okay then.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on April 19, 2023, 11:27:23 PM
I am extremely sad to see @absolutelybaching (Howard) gone! In my eyes he was a very valuable member, erudite and a fine human being. He has helped me with a dozen things, especially with the Bach (Suzuki) cantates images. His choice of music was always a surprise, and his vast knowledge of music, and literature, is admirable. Always choose his words with care, and was very honest in his approach. I for one will miss him very much...just sayin!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 20, 2023, 12:23:05 AM
Quote from: Harry on April 19, 2023, 11:27:23 PMI am extremely sad to see @absolutelybaching (Howard) gone! In my eyes he was a very valuable member, erudite and a fine human being. He has helped me with a dozen things, especially with the Bach (Suzuki) cantates images. His choice of music was always a surprise, and his vast knowledge of music, literature, is admirable. Always choose his words with care, and was very honest in his approach. I for one will miss him very much...just sayin!
I totally agree with you Harry.
I had some very nice personal exchanges with Howard and, as you say, thought of him as a very nice person, not to mention the wonderful username and Muppet avatar.
I hope he returns.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on April 20, 2023, 12:38:27 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 20, 2023, 12:23:05 AMI totally agree with you Harry.
I had some very nice personal exchanges with Howard and, as you say, thought of him as a very nice person, not to mention the wonderful username and Muppet avatar.
I hope he returns.

Yes that made me smile every time I saw it. And I sincerely hope he will return, for such members as him are sorely needed on GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 20, 2023, 03:27:20 AM
Quote from: Madiel on April 19, 2023, 02:42:39 PM^^He appears to have deleted almost all of his posts. Which seems a heck of a lot of effort unless there's some bulk method.

Okay then.
That's sad.  :(  When you search for him on the Members list, it shows a photo of someone walking away; underneath it says "Thanks for all the fish".  18 posts apparently remaining.

I hope that he changes his mind.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on April 20, 2023, 03:48:31 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 20, 2023, 03:27:20 AMThat's sad.  :(  When you search for him on the Members list, it shows a photo of someone walking away; underneath it says "Thanks for all the fish".  18 posts apparently remaining.

I hope that he changes his mind.

PD

The picture depicts someone walking towards (not away from) the viewer. This may create some hope.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 20, 2023, 05:28:49 AM
Quote from: Harry on April 19, 2023, 11:27:23 PMAlways choose his words with care

This bit, I'm afraid I cannot agree with. Repeatedly accusing me of lying, and/or being stupid, about the functions of Idagio that I was using almost every day (insisting that those functions didn't exist after he tried the app for one day) was not the behaviour of someone who was being careful.

Nor was he being careful when he repeatedly insisted he was quoting someone else rather than me, to avoid admitting that he had read one of my posts, because he had previously insisted he wasn't reading my posts. Yet the material he had quoted hadn't been said by anyone else.

These are not characteristic of being careful but of being quite ridiculously stubborn. Which also seems to be why he left. He had a lot of value to add to GMG, but more recently I put him on ignore because it simply wasn't worth the drama that came with the value. I often found what he was listening to highly interesting, but even indicating that with the Like button was liable to be seen as outrageous behaviour on my part.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 20, 2023, 05:35:55 AM
Quote from: premont on April 20, 2023, 03:48:31 AMThe picture depicts someone walking towards (not away from) the viewer. This may create some hope.
Oh, I checked again and you're right!  On first glance, I had assumed that it was a photo of someone walking away.  Regarding his comment, I believe that it's a reference to a Douglas Adams' book title "So long, and thanks for all the fish" [which is about someone--or something--leaving].

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 20, 2023, 05:40:49 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 20, 2023, 03:27:20 AMThat's sad.  :(  When you search for him on the Members list, it shows a photo of someone walking away; underneath it says "Thanks for all the fish".  18 posts apparently remaining.

I hope that he changes his mind.

PD

Quote from: premont on April 20, 2023, 03:48:31 AMThe picture depicts someone walking towards (not away from) the viewer. This may create some hope.

It seems a bit ambiguous, but when I dropped the image into google image search, it came up with this:

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-5395805-movie-scene-iii-man-walking-dust

He went to the great trouble of deleting every one of his posts here except for the ones what justify his departure, I can't imagine he has any thought of returning.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Roasted Swan on April 20, 2023, 06:28:29 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 20, 2023, 05:35:55 AMOh, I checked again and you're right!  On first glance, I had assumed that it was a photo of someone walking away.  Regarding his comment, I believe that it's a reference to a Douglas Adams' book title "So long, and thanks for all the fish" [which is about someone--or something--leaving].

PD

The quote is part of Douglas Adams' genius trilogy in four parts; "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".  One of the many great quotes in this book (which should be compulsory reading) is;

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

The quote in question is;
"The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the 'Star Spangled Banner', but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish."
(it turns out that the earth was just a giant lab experiment run by dolphins.....)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 20, 2023, 06:36:51 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on April 20, 2023, 06:28:29 AMThe quote is part of Douglas Adams' genius trilogy in four parts; "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".  One of the many great quotes in this book (which should be compulsory reading) is;

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

The quote in question is;
"The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the 'Star Spangled Banner', but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish."
(it turns out that the earth was just a giant lab experiment run by dolphins.....)
I did love those books (read many years ago).  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 20, 2023, 06:50:18 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on April 20, 2023, 06:28:29 AMThe quote is part of Douglas Adams' genius trilogy in four parts; "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".  One of the many great quotes in this book (which should be compulsory reading) is;

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

The quote in question is;
"The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the 'Star Spangled Banner', but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish."
(it turns out that the earth was just a giant lab experiment run by dolphins.....)
Thanks for explaining that. I didn't understand before.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 20, 2023, 07:40:06 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 20, 2023, 12:23:05 AMI totally agree with you Harry.
I had some very nice personal exchanges with Howard and, as you say, thought of him as a very nice person, not to mention the wonderful username and Muppet avatar.
I hope he returns.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 20, 2023, 11:17:52 PM
We've seen it before: members deleting all their posts before leaving,  erasing every trace of any of their contributions to the forum.

I never quite "got" the motives behind such a move and stopped trying long time ago.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on April 21, 2023, 12:16:07 AM
If only people could post about music.... ☹️
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on April 21, 2023, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2023, 12:16:07 AMIf only people could post about music.... ☹️

Wouldn't that be something?  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on April 21, 2023, 12:20:54 AM
Quote from: Que on April 21, 2023, 12:16:55 AMWouldn't that be something?  ;D

Well I do, you know! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: The new erato on April 21, 2023, 02:57:20 AM
I didn't appreciate Florestans comments either but what the heck. He's from another culture than me, and I'm not here to tell people the right and wrongs according to my upbringing. And certainly not in threads about music.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: San Antone on April 21, 2023, 06:10:43 AM
Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2023, 02:57:20 AMI didn't appreciate Florestans comments either but what the heck. He's from another culture than me, and I'm not here to tell people the right and wrongs according to my upbringing. And certainly not in threads about music.

I think the key (and it took me some time to achieve this) is to not take anything posted on any forum too seriously.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 21, 2023, 07:26:48 AM
Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2023, 02:57:20 AMI didn't appreciate Florestans comments either but what the heck. He's from another culture than me, and I'm not here to tell people the right and wrongs according to my upbringing. And certainly not in threads about music.

If Florestan's comments represent his cultural norms, then I'll check the U.S. State Department web site to see if there are any travel warnings.   ::)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on April 21, 2023, 07:34:58 AM
And this episode highlights the problem moderators can encounter.

One member left because he felt moderation should have been more vigorous.
Another member left because he felt moderation was too vigorous.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 21, 2023, 02:11:03 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 21, 2023, 07:26:48 AMIf Florestan's comments represent his cultural norms, then I'll check the U.S. State Department web site to see if there are any travel warnings.   ::)

Oh please. Has the US really got to the point where noticing that a woman is a woman is worthy of a travel warning? You're more likely to be harmed going to an American high school.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dungeon Master on April 21, 2023, 04:05:07 PM
Note from the Dungeon Master:

The Guidelines a quite clear. Don't post anything that could be considered offensive, Not Safe For Work, or not suitable for children. Even if it is a commercial album cover. If you flout this rule, and your post gets removed, take it on the chin, learn from and move on. Don't behave like a 4-year-old.

Moderating is a difficult job, a fine line between doing what values individual freedom, with what is best for the forum as a whole. Decisions to delete posts are not made lightly. Please respect those decisions.

Rob
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 21, 2023, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: Madiel on April 21, 2023, 02:11:03 PMOh please. Has the US really got to the point where noticing that a woman is a woman is worthy of a travel warning? You're more likely to be harmed going to an American high school.

I was thinking of something along the lines of absolutelybaching's objection, "Be advised that in Romania 'F*ck you' is considered a cordial greeting and drawing firearms would not be considered an appropriate response."  Maybe it is something for a Xenophobe's guide, rather than an official travel warning.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 21, 2023, 05:56:21 PM
Quote from: Dungeon Master on April 21, 2023, 04:05:07 PMNote from the Dungeon Master:

The Guidelines a quite clear. Don't post anything that could be considered offensive, Not Safe For Work, or not suitable for children. Even if it is a commercial album cover. If you flout this rule, and your post gets removed, take it on the chin, learn from and move on. Don't behave like a 4-year-old.

Moderating is a difficult job, a fine line between doing what values individual freedom, with what is best for the forum as a whole. Decisions to delete posts are not made lightly. Please respect those decisions.

Rob

Right, so having basically sorted this out without your input on another thread, you've chosen this particular moment to step in and basically go back to the position that people might not be able to post the album that they've been listening to or are talking about. Nicely done.

The idea that mainstream record labels and performers might be considered to be purveyors of smut is absurd. I'll say it again: in those cases the image is not the problem, the conversation is.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dungeon Master on April 22, 2023, 12:52:59 AM
@Madiel 

I have not changed my stance, and the Guidelines have been in place since 2007. This is a music forum, for the discussion of music. Anything NSFW or not suitable for children should not be posted here, either as pictures or as discussion.

I don't personally have a problem with nudity, sex or titillation. I am not the morality police. But there are other parties that do take an interest. The terms of my server hosting does not allow a variety of content, including illegal activity and pornography. My hosting service can terminate myy account instantly if I violate their conditions. Google takes a big interest in the content of websites. Once a website is labelled as NSFW or containing anything pornographic, that website is subject to a Google search ranking hit. Many countries, including the European Union and Australia, will blacklist websites that contain illegal or pornographic content.

I admit I am not familiar with the exact post or image you mention. I understand that it is a commercially available disc cover. My server host and Google do not care. I have received many reports from both about content on GMG over the years. Mostly in the "Pictures I Like" thread, but also isolated disc covers that you and I would regard as artistic, or just risqué, but their automated digital screening functions label them as inappropriate content. I usually get a warning stating that a particular image must be removed within a certain time frame. If not removed, they can take further action. Ultimately, my hosting can be terminated.

I have spent over $10,000 of my own money on this forum since its inception. Its a labour of love. I ask that all members respect the Guidelines I put in place for the benefit of all users, and the ongoing future of the forum. As members please do not post images or start discussions that are inappropriate. Moderators have the powers to edit or remove such posts. Please respect their decisions.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 22, 2023, 04:15:41 AM
Quote from: Dungeon Master on April 22, 2023, 12:52:59 AM@Madiel

I have not changed my stance, and the Guidelines have been in place since 2007. This is a music forum, for the discussion of music. Anything NSFW or not suitable for children should not be posted here, either as pictures or as discussion.

I don't personally have a problem with nudity, sex or titillation. I am not the morality police. But there are other parties that do take an interest. The terms of my server hosting does not allow a variety of content, including illegal activity and pornography. My hosting service can terminate myy account instantly if I violate their conditions. Google takes a big interest in the content of websites. Once a website is labelled as NSFW or containing anything pornographic, that website is subject to a Google search ranking hit. Many countries, including the European Union and Australia, will blacklist websites that contain illegal or pornographic content.

I admit I am not familiar with the exact post or image you mention. I understand that it is a commercially available disc cover. My server host and Google do not care. I have received many reports from both about content on GMG over the years. Mostly in the "Pictures I Like" thread, but also isolated disc covers that you and I would regard as artistic, or just risqué, but their automated digital screening functions label them as inappropriate content. I usually get a warning stating that a particular image must be removed within a certain time frame. If not removed, they can take further action. Ultimately, my hosting can be terminated.

I have spent over $10,000 of my own money on this forum since its inception. Its a labour of love. I ask that all members respect the Guidelines I put in place for the benefit of all users, and the ongoing future of the forum. As members please do not post images or start discussions that are inappropriate. Moderators have the powers to edit or remove such posts. Please respect their decisions.

Right, so it's the algorithms that are the morality police.

This explains a lot.

Witness the disaster that was tumblr when they introduced badly programmed algorithms. I seem to remember a Garfield comic was among the things labelled as porn.

EDIT: Yes. And illustrations from actual children's books.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 22, 2023, 06:57:22 AM
Guys, am sorry for the foul language I used towards absolutelybaching but I had a fit of rage and could not control myself for a moment. Rest assured that rudeness is neither a Romanian nor a personal cultural norm.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 22, 2023, 07:21:38 AM
Quote from: Madiel on April 22, 2023, 04:15:41 AMWitness the disaster that was tumblr when they introduced badly programmed algorithms. I seem to remember a Garfield comic was among the things labelled as porn.

EDIT: Yes. And illustrations from actual children's books.
The algorithms are assuredly a ass.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on April 22, 2023, 12:49:46 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2023, 06:57:22 AMGuys, am sorry for the foul language I used towards absolutelybaching but I had a fit of rage and could not control myself for a moment. Rest assured that rudeness is neither a Romanian nor a personal cultural norm.

Well Andrei,I never doubt that for a moment.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 22, 2023, 01:33:52 PM
Quote from: Karl Henning on April 22, 2023, 07:21:38 AMThe algorithms are assuredly a ass.

Yes. The question is what we do about it. And how we present what we're doing about it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on April 22, 2023, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 22, 2023, 06:57:22 AMGuys, am sorry for the foul language I used towards absolutelybaching but I had a fit of rage and could not control myself for a moment. Rest assured that rudeness is neither a Romanian nor a personal cultural norm.

We understood that by how rapidly you deleted the post.  Hopefully AB will see that too in time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Dungeon Master on April 22, 2023, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: Madiel on April 22, 2023, 01:33:52 PMYes. The question is what we do about it. And how we present what we're doing about it.
Well, nothing has changed. I suggest we continue to discuss music. Do not post images or engage in discussions that are contrary to the guidelines of the forum. The same as we have been doing since 2007. Not rocket science.

At some point, I might write a mod where an image or text is hidden from view until the user clicks on the "reveal" label. Reddit and some other forums have systems like this in place.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mapman on April 22, 2023, 03:32:42 PM
Quote from: Dungeon Master on April 22, 2023, 03:06:19 PMAt some point, I might write a mod where an image or text is hidden from view until the user clicks on the "reveal" label. Reddit and some other forums have systems like this in place.

It seems that some spoiler mods already exist: https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?action=mods;search=Spoiler (https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?action=mods;search=Spoiler)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on April 22, 2023, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Dungeon Master on April 22, 2023, 03:06:19 PMWell, nothing has changed. I suggest we continue to discuss music. Do not post images or engage in discussions that are contrary to the guidelines of the forum. The same as we have been doing since 2007. Not rocket science.

At some point, I might write a mod where an image or text is hidden from view until the user clicks on the "reveal" label. Reddit and some other forums have systems like this in place.

Well I am talking about what we do when we ARE discussing music and some stupid algorithm can't tell the difference between an album cover and porn.

Tumblr pulled their algorithm way, way back. Why? Because people pointed out the stupid things their algorithm was doing.

I think it's pretty clear I'm not advocating for ogling women, given that women are not even who I'm interested in ogling. Every time that you say we should discuss music, that just conveys that you haven't been reading any of my previous posts on this topic. My issue is not when these things cramps the ability of posters to comment on women, my concern is the repeated idea that this stuff is actually going to cramp people DISCUSSING MUSIC.

Meanwhile of course the Bible has more sex and violence in it than the kind of people who advocate this moral policing ever seem to notice. Worse than operas.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on April 22, 2023, 06:00:41 PM
Quote from: Mapman on April 22, 2023, 03:32:42 PMIt seems that some spoiler mods already exist: https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?action=mods;search=Spoiler (https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?action=mods;search=Spoiler)


btw I totally needed that in the Star Trek thread (to avoid spoiling the latest finale)!  White text just doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 24, 2023, 12:58:16 AM
Quote from: Dungeon Master on April 22, 2023, 03:06:19 PMAt some point, I might write a mod where an image or text is hidden from view until the user clicks on the "reveal" label. Reddit and some other forums have systems like this in place.

Yes that would be a good idea if some content is a problem. I might want to discuss  Hugues Dufourt's music based on Courbet's L'origine du monde. And I may want to discuss it with reference to the image. It would be nice to be able to show the image.

Talk Classical have a system in place.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on April 24, 2023, 07:57:35 AM
I've stayed out of the recent conflicts, simply because I don't want to get involved. I do think that our culture around NSFW or felt sensitivities is a bit wonky, however. I'm not arguing for greater or lesser liberalisation, particularly, but in Britain, at least, I am often left shaking my head at what is acceptable or otherwise. I can't hold a conversation at work where recently-contentious trigger warnings need to be given before discussing slavery or suicide for example, but I can be expected to watch an extremely explicit advert about menstruation showing falling blood clots on mainstream TV before the famed watershed with no warning whilst eating my evening meal.

Weird.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DaveF on April 24, 2023, 08:12:57 AM
Quote from: Brahmsian on March 22, 2023, 04:17:46 AMOne other Mike I was wondering about yesterday and hope he is doing well - @some guy

Last heard of living a nomadic existence somewhere in Europe, I believe, being treated/recovering from cancer.  But quiet for a long time.

And who was Brahmsian? S/he had a newer name, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 24, 2023, 08:15:10 AM
Quote from: DaveF on April 24, 2023, 08:12:57 AMAnd who was Brahmsian? S/he had a newer name, I'm sure.
ChamberNut, originally, and then OrchestralNut.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Franco_Manitobain on April 24, 2023, 08:25:54 AM
Quote from: DaveF on April 24, 2023, 08:12:57 AMLast heard of living a nomadic existence somewhere in Europe, I believe, being treated/recovering from cancer.  But quiet for a long time.

And who was Brahmsian? S/he had a newer name, I'm sure.

Quote from: Brian on April 24, 2023, 08:15:10 AMChamberNut, originally, and then OrchestralNut.

Yes, aka Franco-Manitobain
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 24, 2023, 08:28:13 AM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on April 24, 2023, 08:25:54 AMYes, aka Franco-Manitobain
Delighted at your return!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 24, 2023, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on April 24, 2023, 08:25:54 AMYes, aka Franco-Manitobain
You're back?!  :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on April 24, 2023, 08:28:46 AM
Good news!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 24, 2023, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on April 24, 2023, 08:25:54 AMYes, aka Franco-Manitobain

I knew it was you, Ray! Welcome back, mate!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 24, 2023, 09:11:59 AM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on April 24, 2023, 08:25:54 AMYes, aka Franco-Manitobain
That's great indeed, welcome back, Ray! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on April 24, 2023, 09:20:23 AM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on April 24, 2023, 08:25:54 AMYes, aka Franco-Manitobain

Welcome back. Glad to see you.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on April 24, 2023, 09:31:20 AM
Welcome back Franco Manitobai...nut...  ;D  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 24, 2023, 10:21:17 AM
Happy to see ChamberNut/Brahmsian/OrchestralNut/Franco Manitobain back. A nut by another name is still a nut!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on April 24, 2023, 01:42:55 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 24, 2023, 10:21:17 AMHappy to see ChamberNut/Brahmsian/OrchestralNut/Franco Manitobain back. A nut by another name is still a nut!
I agree!  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on April 28, 2023, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: premont on April 28, 2023, 10:24:57 AMThis poster has already deleted his/her account.

Quote from: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 11:31:41 AMThis might very well be a first. Three posts and then leaving, wtf?

Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on April 28, 2023, 12:08:59 PMI only saw two posts.  Nevertheless.

Deleted by mods, because the poster had been previously removed and tried to register again with a different name.

Carry on!  8) 

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: brewski on April 28, 2023, 12:15:54 PMDeleted by mods, because the poster had been previously removed and tried to register again with a different name.

Carry on!  8) 

-Bruce

Let me guess: Deprofundis, right?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 12:18:58 PMLet me guess: Deprofundis, right?

Maybe he learned his lesson and this time he'll behave better. I'd be in favor of giving him one last chance, on probation. But it's just my opinion, you mods are sovereign in this respect.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 28, 2023, 12:44:31 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 12:41:12 PMMaybe he learned his lesson and this time he'll behave better. I'd be in favor of giving him one last chance, on probation. But it's just my opinion, you mods are sovereign in this respect.



Well I for one don't know why he was banned. It may be something so terrible, so irredeemable, so evil, that it is impossible for him to gain readmission.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 28, 2023, 12:44:31 PMWell I for one don't know why he was banned.

Neither do I but I'm sure it must have been something really nasty. Nevertheless, people can learn their lesson and change their behaviour accordingly, that 's why I would willingly give him another chance.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 28, 2023, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 12:51:43 PMNeither do I but I'm sure it must have been something really nasty. Nevertheless, people can learn their lesson and change their behaviour accordingly, that 's why I would willingly give him another chance.

Unless it was something like Faust's having sex with the devil disguised as Helen of Troy.

Was this the face that launch'd a thousand ships,
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium--
Sweet Helen, make me immortal with a kiss.--
Her lips suck forth my soul: see, where it flies!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on April 28, 2023, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: Florestan on April 28, 2023, 12:51:43 PMNeither do I but I'm sure it must have been something really nasty. Nevertheless, people can learn their lesson and change their behaviour accordingly, that 's why I would willingly give him another chance.

As I have indicated before, on another forum I have read several posts that were really unacceptable. It is perhaps understandable that he cannot be fully blamed for this. The active members on the forum can have a certain indulgence and sympathy ,otherwise it is up to the moderators who have to take into account more things such as a decent use of words and uncontrolled fits of anger and insults. On the other forum many posts were heavily censored or deleted completely. This has gone on for a long time and a lot of patience was needed and present as well as on this forum. It seems harsh to me to deny someone access to the forum in this specific case. It's a sad thing, maybe he will be allowed to maintain contact with some members. Exchanging e-mails from e.g.  members who are open to this. it's just an idea.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 28, 2023, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: Traverso on April 28, 2023, 07:30:10 PMAs I have indicated before, on another forum I have read several posts that were really unacceptable. It is perhaps understandable that he cannot be fully blamed for this. The active members on the forum can have a certain indulgence and sympathy ,otherwise it is up to the moderators who have to take into account more things such as a decent use of words and uncontrolled fits of anger and insults. On the other forum many posts were heavily censored or deleted completely. This has gone on for a long time and a lot of patience was needed and present as well as on this forum. It seems harsh to me to deny someone access to the forum in this specific case. It's a sad thing, maybe he will be allowed to maintain contact with some members. Exchanging e-mails from e.g.  members who are open to this. it's just an idea.

I am sure he is dyslexic. I say this because he would quite often write to me in French, and his French had the same characteristics as his English. Quirky grammar and spelling, always a comprehensible idea. There is a question of how the forum treats disability to consider.

I never saw any indecent use of words myself, or insults or anger.  But he wouldn't be the only one to insult people here, so there's also a question of double standards to consider.

Behind every post is a human being. In the case of Dominique it's a human being who is desperately trying to communicate about music. This place is not humane enough to let him use GMG.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on April 29, 2023, 03:04:29 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 28, 2023, 07:41:03 PMI am sure he is dyslexic. I say this because he would quite often write to me in French, and his French had the same characteristics as his English. Quirky grammar and spelling, always a comprehensible idea. There is a question of how the forum treats disability to consider.

I never saw any indecent use of words myself, or insults or anger.  But he wouldn't be the only one to insult people here, so there's also a question of double standards to consider.

Behind every post is a human being. In the case of Dominique it's a human being who is desperately trying to communicate about music. This place is not humane enough to let him use GMG.

I sympathize with the thrust of your argument. There have never been any attacks on other forum members. However, I have witnessed a number of times completely uncontrolled displays of maniacal rage, which are clearly linked to his mental state at such a time. How sad  be that as it may, I understand the decision to deny him access to the forum. This is my view on the matter, based on seeing several derailments on the other forum. I have nothing further to add to this, I am sorry but I understand the decision to deny him access to the forum. My view may come across as callous to some, but this is certainly not the case when I recall what I saw on the other forum and  the dilemma for the moderators to have to make a decision here. I will not respond further to this.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 29, 2023, 06:45:36 AM
Although I do not know the full history with perfect recollection, it is also worth pointing out, in a general abstract way, that moderators may have more information (e.g. posts that were deleted that not many people saw, troublesome PMs, etc.).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Ganondorf on April 29, 2023, 11:12:59 AM
I feel awful for having treated deprofundis as a troll. And I should know better, considering I personally know several people who have dyslexia.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on April 29, 2023, 06:03:40 PM
Were there two members with that name? Because the one I remember was a knowing and deliberate troll.

And these games he's playing with the mods now where they are constantly wasting their time  dealing with multiple accounts is very much the guy I remember and has nothing to do with "dyslexia" (which wouldn't explain his surrealist-collage posts). He was someone who would hear you ask to desist in a certain behavior and then double and triple down on it for his amusement until you had gone well beyond asking politely.  And that's a troll in any context. And then there was all the racist rants (now deleted). I could add that I saw plenty of personally insulting language, but I'd also moved to strong language by that point.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 30, 2023, 06:31:42 AM
I saw deprofundis as having mental health issues which sometime resulted in unacceptable behavior (most of what people are describing I didn't personally witness). On one hand, that limits the extent he can be held morally accountable, but it doesn't mean he should be allowed to continue doing damage (and only the moderators really know how much damage was done to the community and how much work was expended by the moderators to control the damage).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 30, 2023, 06:45:14 AM
So if I can summarise.

1. Dominique is a human being who is very keen to participate. He has interesting contributions to make.
2. He has imperfect English spelling and grammar.  The content of his posts is clear.
3. A couple  of people claim to have read posts where he has been aggressive or offensive on GMG, or maybe just one person.  However these posts have disappeared.
4. He has been banned.  The moderators are quick to reinstate the ban if he tries to rejoin.
5. None of us know why he has been banned.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on April 30, 2023, 07:25:35 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 30, 2023, 06:45:14 AMSo if I can summarise.

1. Dominique is a human being who is very keen to participate. He has interesting contributions to make.
2. He has imperfect English spelling and grammar.  The content of his posts is clear.
3. A couple  of people claim to have read posts where he has been aggressive or offensive on GMG, or maybe just one person.  However these posts have disappeared.
4. He has been banned.  The moderators are quick to reinstate the ban if he tries to rejoin.
5. None of us know why he has been banned.

2. You have characterized his issue as dyslexia or poor grammar, but I don't think that is a good characterization. His posts would sometimes strike me socially inappropriate.

note added: and I get the impression that the moderators provided feedback to him as to how he could avoid going foul of the rules. Like previous cases, M Forever, snyprr, it seemed like he could not or did not want to restrain himself.

5. The moderators have given some information as to why he was banned. We are not privy to the details obviously, but it would not be reasonable to expect the moderators to publish this sort of data. Ultimately (as I understand it) the decision to bad was made by the site owner.

In any case, I won't comment further, because I feel uncomfortable discussing deprofundis when he is not present to represent himself.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on April 30, 2023, 07:32:15 AM
(moderator hat off)

That summary does not seem entirely fair. Someone has just given an entire suite of reasons for banning him, and you have dismissed it as a "claim" and then said "none of us know." Your presentation is a little bit of "counsel for the defense," which is fine, so long as you know it is.  ;D

(moderator hat on)

1. Without saying specifically what may have happened with deprofundis (it was before my time and I don't know if the other mods would like to publicize it yet), yes, we do delete the most egregious violations of the rules, so yes, the "evidence" will be missing later. Which ties in with...

2. If there is a broad forum consensus for greater transparency about some of these decisions, we will discuss that, weigh pros and cons, and get wisdom from the previous cohort of mods. Obviously, here, I see one "pro," which is the confusion that may arise when people don't know why actions were taken. Historically, the argument against this is we generally try to take mod actions behind the scenes out of respect for the users, their privacy, their reputation, and their dignity. We would not want a "public hanging" atmosphere. Spotted Horses summarizes it well. But if a whole lot of people think the balance could be moved one direction or another, we are happy to listen.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on April 30, 2023, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: Brian on April 30, 2023, 07:32:15 AM2. If there is a broad forum consensus for greater transparency about some of these decisions, we will discuss that, weigh pros and cons, and get wisdom from the previous cohort of mods. Obviously, here, I see one "pro," which is the confusion that may arise when people don't know why actions were taken. Historically, the argument against this is we generally try to take mod actions behind the scenes out of respect for the users, their privacy, their reputation, and their dignity. We would not want a "public hanging" atmosphere.

I think that a public hanging is to be avoided at all costs.

As far as I remember  he was banned just before the previous moderators all resigned. Maybe it would be a good idea if the new team look at what happened privately, and reassure themselves that a fair decision was made by the old team. If a mistake was made, it's easily rectified and everyone knows that to err is human. If it was a sound decision, then so be it.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 30, 2023, 08:24:55 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on April 30, 2023, 07:25:35 AMThe moderators have given some information as to why he was banned. We are not privy to the details obviously, but it would not be reasonable to expect the moderators to publish this sort of data.
Such communication as the mods have offered, I consider in light of communal courtesy, and no, the owner and mods should not, cannot do a Wikileaks-style dump.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on April 30, 2023, 08:27:37 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on April 30, 2023, 08:17:26 AMAs far as I remember  he was banned just before the previous moderators all resigned. Maybe it would be a good idea if the new team look at what happened privately, and reassure themselves that a fair decision was made by the old team. If a mistake was made, it's easily rectified and everyone knows that to err is human. If it was a sound decision, then so be it.
There is no reason in the least to suppose that the previous slate of mods acted at all otherwise than in good faith and with as much consideration of and courtesy toward anyone, really, as possible.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 30, 2023, 08:44:33 AM
I'm sure that the decision to ban deprofundis was taken in good faith after careful consideration and only as a last resort. Yet I'm in the same league as Mandryka and Spotted Horses, in that I've never seen one single offensive or aggressive post of his. In my case, it could be that the delay in time zone made the difference: those posts were deleted while I was sleeping.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on April 30, 2023, 08:49:06 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 30, 2023, 08:44:33 AMI'm sure that the decision to ban deprofundis was taken in good faith after careful consideration and only as a last resort. Yet I'm in the same league as Mandryka and Spotted Horses, in that I've never seen one single offensive or aggressive post of his. In my case, it could be that the delay in time zone made the difference: those posts were deleted while I was sleeping.

I assume that the moderators discussed this with each other and how to solve this situation and ultimately saw no other option than a ban. I see no reason to suspect the moderators who made this decision of acting lightly.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on April 30, 2023, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: Traverso on April 30, 2023, 08:49:06 AMI assume that the moderators discussed this with each other and how to solve this situation and ultimately saw no other option than a ban. I see no reason to suspect the moderators who made this decision of acting lightly.

Oh, of course, I have no doubts about any of the above points and I do not question even for a second the good faith of the mods. It's just that I feel a real pitty for deprofundis, he is obviously a deeply tortured soul for whom music and talking about it is a great solace and comfort. If only he could have limited himself to that...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Traverso on April 30, 2023, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Florestan on April 30, 2023, 09:10:25 AMOh, of course, I have no doubts about any of the above points and I do not question even for a second the good faith of the mods. It's just that I feel a real pitty for deprofundis, he is obviously a deeply tortured soul for whom music and talking about it is a great solace and comfort. If only he could have limited himself to that...


Sad and true.....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 01, 2023, 04:37:37 AM
Quote from: Traverso on April 30, 2023, 09:21:48 AMSad and true.....
Very much agree. I had some v nice personal exchanges with DP (CD recommendations etc) - it is a sad situation - although I respect the decision of the moderators.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on May 23, 2023, 08:00:13 AM
Hi everyone, I haven't been very active here recently, but I just wanted to say that the forum just doesn't feel the same without John (Mirror Image) and Cesar (Lovfald, formerly SymphonicAddict) around anymore. :( And I'm saddened to read about the drama that recently unfolded with absolutelybaching - I do wish we could all just get along! Us classical music enthusiasts are such a small group in society and we have much more in common than we have differences - so it's pointless for us to be bickering amongst each other. To be honest, the fact that valuable members are constantly leaving this site has been discouraging me from posting more often recently. But I'm still around listening to as much great music as always, and I'll try to drop by the forum whenever I feel compelled. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 23, 2023, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: kyjo on May 23, 2023, 08:00:13 AMHi everyone, I haven't been very active here recently, but I just wanted to say that the forum just doesn't feel the same without John (Mirror Image) and Cesar (Lovfald, formerly SymphonicAddict) around anymore. :( And I'm saddened to read about the drama that recently unfolded with absolutelybaching - I do wish we could all just get along! Us classical music enthusiasts are such a small group in society and we have much more in common than we have differences - so it's pointless for us to be bickering amongst each other. To be honest, the fact that valuable members are constantly leaving this site has been discouraging me from posting more often recently. But I'm still around listening to as much great music as always, and I'll try to drop by the forum whenever I feel compelled. :)
Don't be a stranger, Kyle!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on May 23, 2023, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: kyjo on May 23, 2023, 08:00:13 AMHi everyone, I haven't been very active here recently, but I just wanted to say that the forum just doesn't feel the same without John (Mirror Image) and Cesar (Lovfald, formerly SymphonicAddict) around anymore. :( And I'm saddened to read about the drama that recently unfolded with absolutelybaching - I do wish we could all just get along! Us classical music enthusiasts are such a small group in society and we have much more in common than we have differences - so it's pointless for us to be bickering amongst each other. To be honest, the fact that valuable members are constantly leaving this site has been discouraging me from posting more often recently. But I'm still around listening to as much great music as always, and I'll try to drop by the forum whenever I feel compelled. :)

I hadn't noticed the Lovfald/SymphonicAddict had left.

I happened to notice that Mirror Image got banned at TC (as well as that other forum he said he was decamping for). Maybe be will be back, since it is extremely hard to get banned here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on May 23, 2023, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on May 23, 2023, 09:08:02 AMI hadn't noticed the Lovfald/SymphonicAddict had left.

I happened to notice that Mirror Image got banned at TC (as well as that other forum he said he was decamping for). Maybe be will be back, since it is extremely hard to get banned here.

So we would be 3rd choice? That's uplifting...  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 09:58:56 AM
Quote from: kyjo on May 23, 2023, 08:00:13 AMHi everyone, I haven't been very active here recently, but I just wanted to say that the forum just doesn't feel the same without John (Mirror Image) and Cesar (Lovfald, formerly SymphonicAddict) around anymore. :( And I'm saddened to read about the drama that recently unfolded with absolutelybaching - I do wish we could all just get along! Us classical music enthusiasts are such a small group in society and we have much more in common than we have differences - so it's pointless for us to be bickering amongst each other. To be honest, the fact that valuable members are constantly leaving this site has been discouraging me from posting more often recently. But I'm still around listening to as much great music as always, and I'll try to drop by the forum whenever I feel compelled. :)

Well said, Kyle - I had nothing but positive interactions with both John and Cesar, and I miss them now that they're gone. Their taste in music largely matched mine (as does yours! ;D) so that was the starting point for many conversations. I didn't interact much with Howard/absolutelybaching, but he was really knowledgeable and passionate. And I'll second what you say about us classical music fanatics being so few - this is the only place where I've found so many like-minded people (at least as far as our taste in music is concerned), and it really saddens me when someone feels compelled to leave. I try to be courteous and kind to everyone on the forum, whether I agree or disagree with their opinions; when I step out of line, I apologize; and above all, I try my best to respect and value everyone. Like you said, we have so much in common...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Franco_Manitobain on May 23, 2023, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on May 23, 2023, 09:08:02 AMI happened to notice that Mirror Image got banned at TC

Temporary ban.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 23, 2023, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: kyjo on May 23, 2023, 08:00:13 AMHi everyone, I haven't been very active here recently, but I just wanted to say that the forum just doesn't feel the same without John (Mirror Image) and Cesar (Lovfald, formerly SymphonicAddict) around anymore. :( And I'm saddened to read about the drama that recently unfolded with absolutelybaching - I do wish we could all just get along! Us classical music enthusiasts are such a small group in society and we have much more in common than we have differences - so it's pointless for us to be bickering amongst each other. To be honest, the fact that valuable members are constantly leaving this site has been discouraging me from posting more often recently. But I'm still around listening to as much great music as always, and I'll try to drop by the forum whenever I feel compelled. :)
I hope that you stay put Kyle. I also had v good relations with John (MI) and Cesar (SA etc) and regret their disappearance as well as that of 'Absolutely Baching' (great name).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 23, 2023, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on May 23, 2023, 09:58:56 AMWell said, Kyle - I had nothing but positive interactions with both John and Cesar, and I miss them now that they're gone. Their taste in music largely matched mine (as does yours! ;D) so that was the starting point for many conversations. I didn't interact much with Howard/absolutelybaching, but he was really knowledgeable and passionate. And I'll second what you say about us classical music fanatics being so few - this is the only place where I've found so many like-minded people (at least as far as our taste in music is concerned), and it really saddens me when someone feels compelled to leave. I try to be courteous and kind to everyone on the forum, whether I agree or disagree with their opinions; when I step out of line, I apologize; and above all, I try my best to respect and value everyone. Like you said, we have so much in common...
Totally agree with you James. I think that the problem with these type of forums is that written communication can easily be misconstrued, as the tone of a message may, for example, come across as more belligerent than intended. That's why I've enjoyed the periodic face to face group meetings organised by Karl and, more recently, Larry because then you get a sense of what the complete person is like.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Mandryka on May 24, 2023, 08:19:15 AM
There's a lot of research about this sort of thing. In real life it's possible to avoid conflict by just not mixing with people whom you don't like. People in real life tend to have a milieu made up of similar types. But online, on a public forum, you find yourself rubbing shoulders with the sort of people you'd avoid if it were not virtual. And people find it hard to manage that situation.

Speaking personally, there are people I meet online, here and elsewhere, whose manner I don't care for. I don't have a big problem about it because I am able to ignore them, not with ignore buttons or anything like that - I just pass over their posts. Let them carry on being themselves, it's water off a duck's back to me. I recommend that strategy.

(Everyone will now ignore this!)

As far as the small number of people is concerned, that's fine by me. I mean, it's just the nature of conversations about pretty recherché topics.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 24, 2023, 11:14:02 AM
'Sorry vandermolen you are banned from using this forum' :o

So, I am about to become a reluctant 'missing member'.

Any explanations please?

I can only think that I am being banned because of:

1) My failure to always complete the 'WHY DID YOU EDIT YOUR POST?' directive.

2) My zero response Eurovision song contest thread

3) Going 'over the top' about British Music

4) Over enthusiasm about Klaus Egge

5) Rambling on about Miaskovsky

Answers on a postcard please as this may be the only way of contacting me  :o  ::)  :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 24, 2023, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2023, 11:14:02 AM'Sorry vandermolen you are banned from using this forum' :o

So, I am about to become a reluctant 'missing member'.

Any explanations please?

I can only think that I am being banned because of:

1) My failure to always complete the 'WHY DID YOU EDIT YOUR POST?' directive.

2) My zero response Eurovision song contest thread

3) Going 'over the top' about British Music

4) Over enthusiasm about Klaus Egge

5) Rambling on about Miaskovsky

Answers on a postcard please as this may be the only way of contacting me  :o  ::)  :(

I too received that message a few months ago, several tines. Don't worry, Jeffrey, it's just a mysterious bug.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 24, 2023, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 24, 2023, 11:18:04 AMI too received that message a few months ago, several tines. Don't worry, Jeffrey, it's just a mysterious bug.  :D
Thanks Andrei - I remembered that it happened to you before which reassured me. Actually I found it quite funny. I thought that maybe the new moderators are clearing out the 'dead wood'  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 24, 2023, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2023, 11:24:50 AMThanks Andrei - I remembered that it happened to you before which reassured me. Actually I found it quite funny. I thought that maybe the new moderators are clearing out the 'dead wood'  ;D

 ;D

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Roasted Swan on May 24, 2023, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2023, 11:14:02 AM'Sorry vandermolen you are banned from using this forum' :o

So, I am about to become a reluctant 'missing member'.

Any explanations please?

I can only think that I am being banned because of:

1) My failure to always complete the 'WHY DID YOU EDIT YOUR POST?' directive.

2) My zero response Eurovision song contest thread

3) Going 'over the top' about British Music

4) Over enthusiasm about Klaus Egge

5) Rambling on about Miaskovsky

Answers on a postcard please as this may be the only way of contacting me  :o  ::)  :(


All of the above but especially because of the Eurovision massive error of judgement....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on May 24, 2023, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2023, 11:14:02 AM3) Going 'over the top' about British Music



You never walked alone.  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on May 24, 2023, 11:39:46 AM
Quote from: Florestan on May 24, 2023, 11:37:01 AMYou never walked alone.  ;D

(* chortle *)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Papy Oli on May 24, 2023, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 24, 2023, 11:14:02 AM'Sorry vandermolen you are banned from using this forum' :o

So, I am about to become a reluctant 'missing member'.

Any explanations please?

Answers on a postcard please as this may be the only way of contacting me  :o  ::)  :(

Those moderators have a low "craggy" threshold  :P  :P
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on May 24, 2023, 02:40:54 PM
Wait, there was a Eurovision thread?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on May 25, 2023, 05:04:11 AM
Quote from: kyjo on May 23, 2023, 08:00:13 AMHi everyone, I haven't been very active here recently, but I just wanted to say that the forum just doesn't feel the same without John (Mirror Image) and Cesar (Lovfald, formerly SymphonicAddict) around anymore. :(

Didn't he just change his name back to Symphonic Addict again?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 25, 2023, 05:52:12 AM
Quote from: Roasted Swan on May 24, 2023, 11:34:33 AMAll of the above but especially because of the Eurovision massive error of judgement....
Indeed RS - a classic blunder of the first magnitude  8)

I shall be working on my 'Strictly Come Dancing' thread in due course - this is bound to be popular here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on May 25, 2023, 06:23:28 AM
Quote from: Madiel on May 24, 2023, 02:40:54 PMWait, there was a Eurovision thread?
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,27004.0.html
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on June 29, 2023, 08:07:04 AM
I miss aligreto. He hasn't been active the last three months.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on June 29, 2023, 09:30:17 AM
Quote from: premont on June 29, 2023, 08:07:04 AMI miss aligreto. He hasn't been active the last three months.
Me too
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on July 02, 2023, 12:54:36 AM
Quote from: premont on June 29, 2023, 08:07:04 AMI miss aligreto. He hasn't been active the last three months.

+2
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vers la flamme on July 06, 2023, 06:30:27 PM
Where is steve ridgway?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on July 13, 2023, 03:38:02 PM
Has ultralinear left? I went looking for a very helpful post about books on East Germany and its been deleted, along with all but five of his other posts. We only had a few exchanges, but I was hoping for more over time.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 13, 2023, 05:08:18 PM
A shame his departure. However, I never understood why he often deleted his posts. A strange behaviour.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on July 14, 2023, 04:53:40 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 13, 2023, 05:08:18 PMA shame his departure. However, I never understood why he often deleted his posts. A strange behaviour.

That's odd, and why leave those five posts?

Ultralinear routinely deleted his/her posts even before apparently leaving? I hadn't noticed that. Well, the account hasn't been deleted, so perhaps there will be a return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2023, 05:26:03 AM
They are not the only user who routinely deletes their old posts, either. I noticed someone delete one after 24 hours recently. I don't understand it as a behavior...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on September 29, 2023, 01:32:41 AM
Bachtoven has come and gone?

And deleted all his posts, including those about the sad death of his lovely cat...?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on September 29, 2023, 01:39:55 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on September 29, 2023, 01:32:41 AMBachtoven has come and gone?

And deleted all his posts, including those about the sad death of his lovely cat...?

Nothing unusual for him, he does that regularly. He'll be back soon.  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on September 29, 2023, 01:45:07 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on September 29, 2023, 01:32:41 AMBachtoven has come and gone?

And deleted all his posts, including those about the sad death of his lovely cat...?

Well he does that all the time, and we might guess why, but I think he is bothered by the level of conversation on GMG. Hard to fathom John!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: SimonNZ on September 29, 2023, 01:52:24 AM
Okay, thanks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 02, 2023, 11:29:55 AM
Am I the first to notice that Brahmsian's account has been closed? In the kaleidoscope of name changes to goes on here, is that the former ChamberNut/SymphonyNut? A shame, a congenial and knowledgable contributor.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 02, 2023, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on April 24, 2023, 08:25:54 AMYes, aka Franco-Manitobain

He is still here.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 02, 2023, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: DavidW on October 02, 2023, 01:46:56 PMHe is still here.

Reregistered, then.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Que on October 03, 2023, 10:51:34 PM
Changing forum names, leaving, reregistering and then leaving and reregistering again.

I hope nobody minds that I can't keep up with all of this and get sometimes utterly confused about who is who... 8)

I also hope people would quit the annoying habit of deleting all their posts before they leave. It's spiteful or paranoid or maybe both, I don't know.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 04, 2023, 12:57:33 AM
I've only ever changed my name once.

The person who actually motivated the name change never showed the slightest sign of understanding the point. But I like the new one and stuck with it (I don't know that I can call it new now, it's been years).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: brewski on October 04, 2023, 05:39:19 AM
Quote from: Que on October 03, 2023, 10:51:34 PMChanging forum names, leaving, reregistering and then leaving and reregistering again.

I hope nobody minds that I can't keep up with all of this and get sometimes utterly confused about who is who... 8)

I also hope people would quit the annoying habit of deleting all their posts before they leave. It's spiteful or paranoid or maybe both, I don't know.

All of this, especially the part about keeping up with the changes! And I have never understood the "leave no trace" philosophy. When I write something here (or anywhere), I want it to be around for centuries! ("Gee, look at that guy, people were really dumb in 2023.") ;D

-Bruce
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2023, 06:07:26 AM
Quote from: brewski on October 04, 2023, 05:39:19 AMAll of this, especially the part about keeping up with the changes! And I have never understood the "leave no trace" philosophy. When I write something here (or anywhere), I want it to be around for centuries! ("Gee, look at that guy, people were really dumb in 2023.") ;D

-Bruce

Reminds me of the maybe scary thought that in our age we are communicating so much on ephemeral digital platforms and so little on tangible media that it is not clear what future generations will be able to know about our culture. Maybe in future generations the loss of tweets after the failure of X (twitter) will be considered an event comparable to the burning of the library at Alexandria. Historians in the future will be trying to work out when Morgan Freeman was President and think that Donald Trump simply portrayed the President in a bad movie.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 04, 2023, 06:20:14 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2023, 06:07:26 AMReminds me of the maybe scary thought that in our age we are communicating so much on ephemeral digital platforms and so little on tangible media that it is not clear what future generations will be able to know about our culture. Maybe in future generations the loss of tweets after the failure of X (twitter) will be considered an event comparable to the burning of the library at Alexandria. Historians in the future will be trying to work out when Morgan Freeman was President and think that Donald Trump simply portrayed the President in a bad movie.

It would certainly be hard for historians to get an accurate picture of events as they currently do through diaries, journals, memoirs, news articles etc etc if these websites just disappear.

I don't know about the library of congress, but I know that in the UK they collect and store in a library all written documents even electronic.

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2023, 06:22:53 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 04, 2023, 06:20:14 AMI don't know about the library of congress, but I know that in the UK they collect and store in a library all written documents even electronic.

I believe the Presidential Libraries do something similar. I seem to recall the library of congress keeping a log of tweets, I'm not sure how many or how selected.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on October 04, 2023, 07:55:37 AM
The Library of Congress initially intended to save every tweet by everyone although I don't know how long that intention lasted or if it is still going.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 04, 2023, 08:18:17 AM
Quote from: Brian on October 04, 2023, 07:55:37 AMThe Library of Congress initially intended to save every tweet by everyone although I don't know how long that intention lasted or if it is still going.
Oh, good Lord!!!

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2023, 08:34:57 AM
Quote from: Brian on October 04, 2023, 07:55:37 AMThe Library of Congress initially intended to save every tweet by everyone although I don't know how long that intention lasted or if it is still going.

But I thought the identity of the tweeters (X-ers?) is not included.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 04, 2023, 08:41:34 AM
I could see saving some of the tweets by certain persons-of-interest (Hint: think certain politicians), but everyone?   :o

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 04, 2023, 09:01:52 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 04, 2023, 08:41:34 AMI could see saving some of the tweets by certain persons-of-interest (Hint: think certain politicians), but everyone?   :o

PD

They're publicly accessible anyway.  Discord and Snapchat are better for private conversations.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 04, 2023, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 04, 2023, 06:07:26 AMReminds me of the maybe scary thought that in our age we are communicating so much on ephemeral digital platforms and so little on tangible media that it is not clear what future generations will be able to know about our culture. Maybe in future generations the loss of tweets after the failure of X (twitter) will be considered an event comparable to the burning of the library at Alexandria. Historians in the future will be trying to work out when Morgan Freeman was President and think that Donald Trump simply portrayed the President in a bad movie.

I think you're underestimating what it's like for historians now looking back at the past. What has survived from the Romans or the medieval period is pretty darn random.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: aukhawk on October 19, 2023, 08:52:26 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 04, 2023, 06:20:14 AMIt would certainly be hard for historians to get an accurate picture of events as they currently do through diaries, journals, memoirs, news articles etc etc if these websites just disappear.

I don't know about the library of congress, but I know that in the UK they collect and store in a library all written documents even electronic.


Perhaps time to (re-)read MS Fnd in a Lbry by Hal Draper (1961).

It can be found as a pdf Here (https://folk.universitetetioslo.no/knuthe/kuriosa/draper.pdf).  It's only a few pages long.
From Wikipedia's page on this modern classic: "It turns out that humankind's fall was brought about by information overload and the inability to catalog and retrieve that information properly."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scion7 on October 27, 2023, 01:42:13 AM
Where's Gurn?  :blank:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 01:46:03 AM
Quote from: Scion7 on October 27, 2023, 01:42:13 AMWhere's Gurn?  :blank:

Somewhere in Texas listening to Haydn, I reckon.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 27, 2023, 01:51:18 AM
North Star?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 02:47:17 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 27, 2023, 01:51:18 AMNorth Star?

Last active:    October 05, 2023, 21:34:22

Taking a break, maybe?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on October 27, 2023, 03:42:17 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 02:47:17 AMLast active:    October 05, 2023, 21:34:22

Taking a break, maybe?
OK thanks Andrei.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 27, 2023, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 01:46:03 AMSomewhere in Texas listening to Haydn, I reckon.

Gurn's convivial contributions to the discussion here are missed by me.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 07:54:32 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 27, 2023, 07:33:54 AMGurn's convivial contributions to the discussion here are missed by me all of us.

Fixed.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 27, 2023, 09:12:43 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 01:46:03 AMSomewhere in Texas listening to Haydn, I reckon.

I sometimes talk with him, he is doing fine.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 27, 2023, 09:12:43 AMI sometimes talk with him, he is doing fine.

Please, next time tell him we miss him and long for his return.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 27, 2023, 09:33:57 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 27, 2023, 09:12:43 AMI sometimes talk with him, he is doing fine.

I notice he is still active on Facebook, but he seems to have paused his updates to his Haydn web site for quite a while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on October 27, 2023, 02:27:48 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 27, 2023, 09:33:57 AMI notice he is still active on Facebook, but he seems to have paused his updates to his Haydn web site for quite a while.


He'd pretty much covered Haydn's entire career.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 28, 2023, 07:22:29 AM
Quote from: Madiel on October 27, 2023, 02:27:48 PMHe'd pretty much covered Haydn's entire career.

I'm not complaining. The last update brought things up to 1800. At that point ill health severely curtailed Haydn's productivity, but there were a few works through 1803, including an incomplete string quartet. That leaves me wondering why Gurn didn't go through with the last few entries, which would have covered those final works and Haydn's retirement.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 29, 2023, 07:32:50 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 27, 2023, 09:21:59 AMPlease, next time tell him we miss him and long for his return.

I told him.  Gurn told me that he spent 20 years posting day in and day out here so he wanted a year off.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on October 29, 2023, 07:33:34 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 27, 2023, 09:33:57 AMI notice he is still active on Facebook, but he seems to have paused his updates to his Haydn web site for quite a while.


He told me that he is focusing on his art at the moment, but has every intention of finishing his project.  And he is still paying for the web site!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 29, 2023, 07:48:27 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 29, 2023, 07:32:50 AMI told him.  Gurn told me that he spent 20 years posting day in and day out here so he wanted a year off.

Thanks. I can well understand him, actually.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 29, 2023, 07:51:10 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 29, 2023, 07:32:50 AMI told him.  Gurn told me that he spent 20 years posting day in and day out here so he wanted a year off.
Lawd knows he's earned himself a sabbatical!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 29, 2023, 07:51:42 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 29, 2023, 07:33:34 AMHe told me that he is focusing on his art at the moment,

His, that is Gurn's?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on October 29, 2023, 07:55:37 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 29, 2023, 07:32:50 AMI told him.  Gurn told me that he spent 20 years posting day in and day out here so he wanted a year off.

Posting day in and day out, and herding cats as a global moderator!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on October 29, 2023, 08:18:37 AM
Quote from: Florestan on October 29, 2023, 07:51:42 AMHis, that is Gurn's?

Aye, leatherworking.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on October 29, 2023, 08:24:46 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on October 29, 2023, 08:18:37 AMAye, leatherworking.

I didn't know that. He must be a consumate craftsman, then. Kudos to him!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 29, 2023, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Karl Henning on October 29, 2023, 08:18:37 AMAye, leatherworking.
I had forgotten that about him.  Cool.   :)

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scion7 on November 09, 2023, 05:04:13 AM
If one might borrow from Paul Simon,

     for Gurn - wherever one might find him ...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on November 13, 2023, 07:46:34 AM
Quote from: vers la flamme on July 06, 2023, 06:30:27 PMWhere is steve ridgway?

Oh sorry, it's been a while. I got overwhelmed with being on too many forums and had to cut back but am now thinking I may not have chosen wisely.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on November 13, 2023, 07:59:20 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on November 13, 2023, 07:46:34 AMOh sorry, it's been a while. I got overwhelmed with being on too many forums and had to cut back but am now thinking I may not have chosen wisely.
Nice to see you back.  And, I do get it, one needs to figure out what to engage in and how much time you want to spend at it...choices and life.

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bachtoven on December 05, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on September 29, 2023, 01:32:41 AMBachtoven has come and gone?

And deleted all his posts, including those about the sad death of his lovely cat...?
I admit that deleting my posts was wrong, and I'm sorry...sort of a kneejerk reaction to so much pointless fighting on this forum, but there are aspects I missed. (And while lurking I see that the atmosphere is a lot less confrontational lately.)

What is really sad and utterly unfathomable to me is that we recently had to have our other precious cat euthanized. I cannot begin to describe how utterly devastating this is--we hadn't even begun to recover from losing Lucy, and now Ethel? I'm too distraught to get into details, and while not the same illness, it's somewhat related, so we think there must be some genetic component involved. This must be some cosmic test to see how much excruciating emotional pain a person can handle.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on December 06, 2023, 04:10:36 AM
Quote from: Bachtoven on December 05, 2023, 09:55:17 PMI admit that deleting my posts was wrong, and I'm sorry...sort of a kneejerk reaction to so much pointless fighting on this forum, but there are aspects I missed. (And while lurking I see that the atmosphere is a lot less confrontational lately.)

What is really sad and utterly unfathomable to me is that we recently had to have our other precious cat euthanized. I cannot begin to describe how utterly devastating this is--we hadn't even begun to recover from losing Lucy, and now Ethel? I'm too distraught to get into details, and while not the same illness, it's somewhat related, so we think there must be some genetic component involved. This must be some cosmic test to see how much excruciating emotional pain a person can handle.
Good to have you back!

So very sorry that you had to have your other kitty put down too.  I've wondered (re my two girls--different breeds but from the same breeder) if there was some reason as to why they became ill within a year of each other:  did it have to do with the food?  Vaccines?  Something about my home?  All of the above?  You can drive yourself crazy asking yourself questions and looking to blame someone/something.  Just rest in the fact that you loved them, they knew that they were safe with you and that you cared about them, and that you tried your best to look out for them as their human(s).

All the best,

PD
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 06, 2023, 06:57:55 AM
Quote from: Bachtoven on December 05, 2023, 09:55:17 PMI admit that deleting my posts was wrong, and I'm sorry...sort of a kneejerk reaction to so much pointless fighting on this forum, but there are aspects I missed. (And while lurking I see that the atmosphere is a lot less confrontational lately.)

What is really sad and utterly unfathomable to me is that we recently had to have our other precious cat euthanized. I cannot begin to describe how utterly devastating this is--we hadn't even begun to recover from losing Lucy, and now Ethel? I'm too distraught to get into details, and while not the same illness, it's somewhat related, so we think there must be some genetic component involved. This must be some cosmic test to see how much excruciating emotional pain a person can handle.
Deeply sorry at your loss, and truly glad to see you back.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bachtoven on December 06, 2023, 08:01:28 AM
Thank you PD and Karl. Between losing Lucy and Ethel, we adopted a kitten as a companion for Ethel. I wrote about him in the Cat thread.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on December 07, 2023, 05:25:03 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on December 06, 2023, 06:57:55 AMDeeply sorry at your loss, and truly glad to see you back.

+1 !!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on December 07, 2023, 06:06:33 AM
If anyone knows MI (John)'s handle on TC, would you please PM me.  I would like to catch up with him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 07, 2023, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: DavidW on December 07, 2023, 06:06:33 AMIf anyone knows MI (John)'s handle on TC, would you please PM me.  I would like to catch up with him.

Log on to TC and you'll find him in about 1 second.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on December 07, 2023, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 07, 2023, 12:39:10 PMLog on to TC and you'll find him in about 1 second.

Yeah I got it.  #1 poster on the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 07, 2023, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: DavidW on December 07, 2023, 01:53:29 PMYeah I got it.  #1 poster on the forum.

If had been a month or two ago you wouldn't find him. He seemed to have been on hiatus for a while.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on December 07, 2023, 05:15:22 PM
Quote from: DavidW on December 07, 2023, 01:53:29 PMYeah I got it.  #1 poster on the forum.
Quote from: hopefullytrusting on December 07, 2023, 01:54:56 PMI love how passive-aggressive liking a post can be. :laugh:
(* chortle *)

Thanks, lads.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Scion7 on December 07, 2023, 05:42:23 PM
now, now - he has a lot to say!   ;D 
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 07, 2023, 06:55:21 PM
He's not alone in that.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on December 08, 2023, 12:38:49 PM
John seems to need his own clan, being an alpha-man.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on December 08, 2023, 12:55:25 PM
There's nothing alpha about him.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on December 08, 2023, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 08, 2023, 12:55:25 PMThere's nothing alpha about him.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Henk on December 08, 2023, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: Madiel on December 08, 2023, 12:55:25 PMThere's nothing alpha about him.

I do estimate him alpha and it's not a disqualification. I could be wrong of course.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on December 28, 2023, 07:18:08 AM
I noticed that amw hasn't participated recently. I miss the musical insight and often provocative views on life.
Title: Re: Missing Members: Larry Rinkel
Post by: Cato on January 25, 2024, 04:43:57 AM
Greetings!

Via FaceBook I received this news about Larry Rinkel:

QuoteLarry Rinkel is in Southside Hospital with a medical emergency and cannot teach the first class on January 22. Please watch this space for updates.



He had a near heart attack, and (I think) is undergoing a procedure to remove an arterial blockage today.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on January 25, 2024, 04:45:29 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 25, 2024, 04:43:57 AMGreetings!

Via FaceBook I received this news about Larry Rinkel:


He had a near heart attack, and (I think) is undergoing a procedure to remove an arterial blockage today.

All the best to him, let's hope he recovers.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on January 25, 2024, 04:50:25 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 25, 2024, 04:43:57 AMGreetings!

Via FaceBook I received this news about Larry Rinkel:


He had a near heart attack, and (I think) is undergoing a procedure to remove an arterial blockage today.

Thanks for letting us know.  I hope the surgery is a success and Larry has a swift recovery.  I'm sure he'll be back here in no time to argue the merits of Hurwitz with Madiel!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on January 25, 2024, 06:12:22 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 25, 2024, 04:43:57 AMGreetings!

Via FaceBook I received this news about Larry Rinkel:


He had a near heart attack, and (I think) is undergoing a procedure to remove an arterial blockage today.

He had a procedure to test for an arterial blockage. None was found. I gather from FB postings that he has been diagnosed with atrial fibrillation, and has been released with a long term heart monitoring system.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on January 25, 2024, 06:46:42 AM
Thanks for the word!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on January 25, 2024, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: DavidW on January 25, 2024, 04:50:25 AMI'm sure he'll be back here in no time to argue the merits of Hurwitz with Madiel!

Really? That's what you're going with? I've unsubscribed from the Hurwitz thread. I couldn't have been clearer about it.

Best wishes for his recovery.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on January 26, 2024, 06:21:34 AM
Quote from: Madiel on January 25, 2024, 01:18:11 PMReally? That's what you're going with? I've unsubscribed from the Hurwitz thread. I couldn't have been clearer about it.

Best wishes for his recovery.

That was just a joke!  I'm sorry, I did not mean to offend you.
Title: Re: Missing Members: Larry Rinkel Update
Post by: Cato on February 03, 2024, 01:51:41 PM
Another update from Larry Rinkel, as of 10 minutes ago:

QuoteBack in the hospital for the second full day. Will update as I find the energy.

Not here for the food
.



Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 03, 2024, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: Cato on February 03, 2024, 01:51:41 PMAnother update from Larry Rinkel, as of 10 minutes ago:



Thanks for the word! I think the state of the food is a deliberate ploy to motivate you to mend enough for a discharge as soon as may be.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 03, 2024, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: Karl Henning on February 03, 2024, 01:59:25 PMThanks for the word!


You are quite welcome!  I assume that the heart issue is involved: as everyone knows, the weekend is not the time to be in the hospital, as it is typical that you will be cooling your heels and everything else until Monday.   ;)   
Title: Re: Missing Members: Larry Rinkel 2nd Update
Post by: Cato on February 04, 2024, 06:16:07 AM
Here is what Larry Rinkel wrote this morning:


Quote

"Basically, a urinary tract infection had not been responding to oral antibiotics, which led to feelings of extreme fatigue, elevated white blood count, and very low blood pressure (like 70/50). So they've been giving me some strong IV meds and hopefully that will resolve my problem. Thank you all for your good wishes 🙏 "



So he seems better today!  For the non-English speakers, "IV meds" is short for "Intravenous Medications."


I dislike "meds" for some reason: can you really not say "medicine" ?   :o    ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on February 04, 2024, 06:46:51 AM
My mom used to have that problem, and since she took the advice of drinking more water (warm water preferred), or in her words: "Got to flush the plumbing!", she hasn't had the problem for a couple of years now and she just celebrated her 87th birthday.
So, Larry, drink more water, flush the plumbing, and get well! We love ya!!!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 04, 2024, 07:04:05 AM
Quote from: Cato on February 04, 2024, 06:16:07 AMI dislike "meds" for some reason: can you really not say "medicine" ?   :o    ;)

Well I'm sure that he was all he could manage with the low bp.  Oh wait did I just say bp instead of blood pressure? :-X
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 04, 2024, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: DavidW on February 04, 2024, 07:04:05 AMWell I'm sure that he was all he could manage with the low bp.  Oh wait did I just say bp instead of blood pressure? :-X
 

Heh-Heh!  ;D


Quote from: springrite on February 04, 2024, 06:46:51 AMMy mom used to have that problem, and since she took the advice of drinking more water (warm water preferred),




I will keep that in mind for certain people!   ;)   😇
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 05, 2024, 06:57:53 AM
Quote from: Florestan on January 25, 2024, 04:45:29 AMAll the best to him, let's hope he recovers.
Yes indeed!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 05, 2024, 07:01:01 AM
Latest update from Larry:

QuoteEntering my fifth day at this hospital with no end in sight. Heart rate too high, blood pressure too low, episodes of AFIB, urinary tract infection still not fully controlled. And now they're giving me decaf coffee. They're going to try another heart medication. But I'll definitely be here at least one more night.

Tough going.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on February 05, 2024, 07:05:09 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on February 05, 2024, 07:01:01 AMLatest update from Larry:

Tough going.
Yes, but we all know that Larry is one tough cookie!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 05, 2024, 07:30:34 AM
Quote from: springrite on February 05, 2024, 07:05:09 AMYes, but we all know that Larry is one tough cookie!

Tough, may be, but decaffeinated coffee!?! 😲😲🤠
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 05, 2024, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 05, 2024, 07:30:34 AMTough, may be, but decaffeinated coffee!?! 😲😲🤠
90% of the coffee I drink is decaf.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on February 05, 2024, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on February 05, 2024, 08:12:03 AM90% of the coffee I drink is decaf.

O,poor sod! ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: springrite on February 05, 2024, 08:23:45 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on February 05, 2024, 08:12:03 AM90% of the coffee I drink is decaf.
90% of the vegetables I eat is meat.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: JBS on February 05, 2024, 08:38:55 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 05, 2024, 07:30:34 AMTough, may be, but decaffeinated coffee!?! 😲😲🤠

In his case, logical.
Coffee stimulates urination (and for some people defecation).
Caffeine can overstimulate heart rate and blood pressure.
Decaf coffee does one but not the other.

But for myself, I don't drink decaf. Usually one cup at breakfast is all I drink, then black tea lunch/midday, herbal tea from afternoon on.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on February 05, 2024, 08:41:22 AM
Quote from: springrite on February 05, 2024, 08:23:45 AM90% of the vegetables I eat is meat.


I guess, if the cow is eating grass, that could count as a vegetable...sort of....  :D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 05, 2024, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on February 05, 2024, 08:12:03 AM90% of the coffee I drink is decaf.

I think I would just switch to herbal tea at that point!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on February 05, 2024, 09:03:37 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 05, 2024, 07:30:34 AMTough, may be, but decaffeinated coffee!?! 😲😲🤠

I went through brutal caffeine withdrawal when I went into surgery back in Oklahoma.  No food, no drink.  That was as bad as recovering from the surgery itself!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 05, 2024, 09:10:06 AM
Quote from: Harry on February 05, 2024, 08:16:32 AMO,poor sod! ;D  ;D  ;D
I have a number of friends who don't see the point. Proud to have you among them, mijn vriend!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 05, 2024, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: springrite on February 05, 2024, 08:23:45 AM90% of the vegetables I eat is meat.
Way back, the English meat was used simply for "food."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 05, 2024, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: DavidW on February 05, 2024, 09:01:31 AMI think I would just switch to herbal tea at that point!
Hard-core coffee fanciers won't think so, but I find that decaf coffee tastes very good. I do drink herbal tea, too: like the Beach Boys song: "Good Hydration."
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Madiel on February 05, 2024, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 05, 2024, 07:30:34 AMTough, may be, but decaffeinated coffee!?! 😲😲🤠

The quips in his messages are a good sign.

PS some decaf is quite good, it's all a question of finding the right brand. My workplace has not...
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 06, 2024, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Madiel on February 05, 2024, 06:25:44 PMThe quips in his messages are a good sign.

PS some decaf is quite good, it's all a question of finding the right brand. My workplace has not...

I can only say that if there IS a drinkable decaf, I haven't been blessed with a sample yet. 😕🤠
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on February 06, 2024, 09:44:11 AM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 06, 2024, 09:38:57 AMI can only say that if there IS a drinkable decaf, I haven't been blessed with a sample yet. 😕🤠

And so say all of us! And Decaf is treated in such a way to get the caffeine out, that it is actually very unhealthy, (which is proven) and that's not a joke. Better stick to Arabica beans of good quality. :) If I do not get at least three expresso's in the morning I could not lift one finger.
Title: Re: Missing Members: Tuesday Update on Larry Rinkel
Post by: Cato on February 06, 2024, 11:49:34 AM
From Larry:


Quote


Looks like I'll be getting out of the hospital this evening. A lot of recovery and aftercare, but I think I've got some good doctors now.



Good news!

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 08, 2024, 06:47:42 AM
Quote from: Cato on February 06, 2024, 11:49:34 AMFrom Larry:


Good news!


Indeed. Thanks for the update Leo  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 08, 2024, 06:54:04 AM
Quote from: Cato on February 06, 2024, 11:49:34 AMFrom Larry:


Good news!



Ending the horrible decaf episode. :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 08, 2024, 07:06:06 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on February 08, 2024, 06:54:04 AMEnding the horrible decaf episode. :)
Different hospital, of course, but in my experience, decaffeination isn't the heart of the problem with hospital coffee....
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 08, 2024, 07:12:01 AM
Quote from: Karl Henning on February 08, 2024, 07:06:06 AMDifferent hospital, of course, but in my experience, decaffeination isn't the heart of the problem with hospital coffee....

Pun intended?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on February 08, 2024, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on February 08, 2024, 07:12:01 AMPun intended?
Unwitting, but I'll take it!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 11, 2024, 10:39:38 PM
What happened to Aligreto?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: premont on February 11, 2024, 11:00:44 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 11, 2024, 10:39:38 PMWhat happened to Aligreto?

He re-appeared at TC a few days ago after almost one years break. At the same time he deleted his account at GMG, so I don't think he will come back to us. He may have had some controversy with some GMG members - I don't know.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on February 11, 2024, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: premont on February 11, 2024, 11:00:44 PMHe re-appeared at TC a few days ago after almost one years break. At the same time he deleted his account at GMG, so I don't think he will come back to us. He may have had some controversy with some GMG members - I don't know.

I remember a conflict with a GMG member who subsequently flounced off, deleting all of his own posts to the forum. Unfortunate that Alegreto has gone.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 12, 2024, 12:05:11 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on February 11, 2024, 11:28:14 PMI remember a conflict with a GMG member who subsequently flounced off, deleting all of his own posts to the forum. Unfortunate that Alegreto has gone.

Yes, I'm sorry to hear that. I had some nice contact with him and appreciated his posts.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on February 12, 2024, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: premont on February 11, 2024, 11:00:44 PMHe re-appeared at TC a few days ago after almost one years break. At the same time he deleted his account at GMG, so I don't think he will come back to us. He may have had some controversy with some GMG members - I don't know.
That's sad - thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on March 10, 2024, 07:34:33 AM
Hi all, hope everyone is doing well! I apologize for my almost complete inactivity on GMG over the past few months - I've been so busy with auditions, performances, practicing etc. that during what free time I do have, I'm too exhausted even to contribute to this forum! ;D The next few months should be a bit less hectic for me, so I'll try to drop by more frequently. :)

P.S. I'm disheartened to see that Cesar (Symphonic Addict) hasn't posted at all here since December 24th....anyone know what's happened to him? :(
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Brian on March 10, 2024, 08:37:06 AM
Quote from: kyjo on March 10, 2024, 07:34:33 AMHi all, hope everyone is doing well! I apologize for my almost complete inactivity on GMG over the past few months - I've been so busy with auditions, performances, practicing etc. that during what free time I do have, I'm too exhausted even to contribute to this forum! ;D The next few months should be a bit less hectic for me, so I'll try to drop by more frequently. :)
Are you preparing for graduation and job-hunting? Hope that you get some clarity and certainty soon!
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 12, 2024, 09:39:37 AM
Quote from: kyjo on March 10, 2024, 07:34:33 AMHi all, hope everyone is doing well! I apologize for my almost complete inactivity on GMG over the past few months - I've been so busy with auditions, performances, practicing etc. that during what free time I do have, I'm too exhausted even to contribute to this forum! ;D The next few months should be a bit less hectic for me, so I'll try to drop by more frequently. :)

P.S. I'm disheartened to see that Cesar (Symphonic Addict) hasn't posted at all here since December 24th....anyone know what's happened to him? :(
Yes, I'm sad that Cesar (SA) has disappeared again. I've always enjoyed his posts and hope that he returns.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Bachtoven on March 17, 2024, 10:14:38 AM
I'm about to become a "missing member." As soon as I finish typing this, I'm deleting my account due to the constant, petty bickering.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on March 17, 2024, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: Bachtoven on March 17, 2024, 10:14:38 AMI'm about to become a "missing member." As soon as I finish typing this, I'm deleting my account due to the constant, petty bickering.

O dear, again? See you back soon my friend. ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 17, 2024, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: Bachtoven on March 17, 2024, 10:14:38 AMI'm about to become a "missing member." As soon as I finish typing this, I'm deleting my account due to the constant, petty bickering.
I enjoy your contributions to the forum.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: foxandpeng on March 17, 2024, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: Bachtoven on March 17, 2024, 10:14:38 AMI'm about to become a "missing member." As soon as I finish typing this, I'm deleting my account due to the constant, petty bickering.

Well, that would be a shame. Better to stay and avoid those threads. I would miss you  :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 17, 2024, 04:12:23 PM
Quote from: Bachtoven on March 17, 2024, 10:14:38 AMI'm about to become a "missing member." As soon as I finish typing this, I'm deleting my account due to the constant, petty bickering.

I hope you'll stay.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 17, 2024, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: Bachtoven on March 17, 2024, 10:14:38 AMI'm about to become a "missing member." As soon as I finish typing this, I'm deleting my account due to the constant, petty bickering.


Oh my!  Did I miss something somewhere?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 17, 2024, 07:06:25 PM
Already gone, as promised.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: steve ridgway on March 17, 2024, 11:19:30 PM
LOL it's a forum. You're supposed to post stuff - anything ;) .
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 18, 2024, 01:21:48 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 17, 2024, 04:25:42 PMOh my!  Did I miss something somewhere?

No. There is currently one single "bickering" thread and the new forum software makes such threads easier than ever to ignore. The move has got nothing to do with GMG and everything with his recurrent habit of deleting his account periodically. He'll be back in a few months, maybe weeks.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 18, 2024, 03:44:35 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 18, 2024, 01:21:48 AMNo. There is currently one single "bickering" thread and the new forum software makes such threads easier than ever to ignore. The move has got nothing to do with GMG and everything with his recurrent habit of deleting his account periodically. He'll be back in a few months, maybe weeks.


Ah, thank you, Florestan!  Yes, I hope he returns!

The name Bachtoven always amused me!   ;)

Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 18, 2024, 04:32:00 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 18, 2024, 03:44:35 AMAh, thank you, Florestan!  Yes, I hope he returns!

The name Bachtoven always amused me!   ;)



Actually, there is an h missing. Should be Bachthoven.  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Cato on March 18, 2024, 05:00:37 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 18, 2024, 04:32:00 AMActually, there is an h missing. Should be Bachthoven.  ;)

Yes, I thought about that, but it jutht hath toooo many conthonanth in the middle!   ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Harry on March 18, 2024, 05:17:46 AM
Quote from: Cato on March 18, 2024, 05:00:37 AMYes, I thought about that, but it jutht hath toooo many conthonanth in the middle!  ;D

Maybe "Back-oven" then? ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on March 18, 2024, 06:36:11 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 18, 2024, 01:21:48 AMNo. There is currently one single "bickering" thread and the new forum software makes such threads easier than ever to ignore. The move has got nothing to do with GMG and everything with his recurrent habit of deleting his account periodically. He'll be back in a few months, maybe weeks.

There is some interesting conversation on that thread too once you decide to ignore the OP! :laugh:
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: kyjo on March 22, 2024, 11:57:34 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 10, 2024, 08:37:06 AMAre you preparing for graduation and job-hunting? Hope that you get some clarity and certainty soon!

Thanks, Brian! Yeah, this is likely my last semester in school, but there's a chance I'll be attending a post-graduate program next year if I receive a good scholarship! I'm also in the process of auditioning for professional orchestras - there's some tough competition out there, but I feel myself growing a bit more confident with each audition! :)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: vandermolen on March 24, 2024, 02:36:42 AM
Quote from: kyjo on March 22, 2024, 11:57:34 AMThanks, Brian! Yeah, this is likely my last semester in school, but there's a chance I'll be attending a post-graduate program next year if I receive a good scholarship! I'm also in the process of auditioning for professional orchestras - there's some tough competition out there, but I feel myself growing a bit more confident with each audition! :)
All good wishes for this Kyle.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Maestro267 on March 28, 2024, 06:53:24 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 18, 2024, 01:21:48 AMNo. There is currently one single "bickering" thread and the new forum software makes such threads easier than ever to ignore.

How? Cos I'd like to toss that cursed thread into the depths of Hell where it belongs.
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Spotted Horses on March 28, 2024, 06:57:09 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on Today at 06:53:24 AMHow?

By not opening it?
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: DavidW on March 28, 2024, 07:10:52 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on Today at 06:53:24 AMHow? Cos I'd like to toss that cursed thread into the depths of Hell where it belongs.

Well I am tempted to post "I was just listening to Liszt today and what a genius he is compared to that idiot hack John Williams, if you could even call his scores music..." and then grab the popcorn and after WAM has an aneurysm and posts ten page long replies the other mods would have no choice but to close the thread and censure me.  Might be worth it! :P  8)
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Florestan on March 28, 2024, 07:15:26 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on Today at 06:53:24 AMHow? Cos I'd like to toss that cursed thread into the depths of Hell where it belongs.

Click the "No alerts or emails" button (see the picture below for its location in page).
Title: Re: Missing Members
Post by: Karl Henning on March 28, 2024, 07:19:35 AM
Quote from: Maestro267 on Today at 06:53:24 AMHow? Cos I'd like to toss that cursed thread into the depths of Hell where it belongs.
But then there's a chance @Luke will post, and the result will always be worth reading. It will make no impression on the OP, but it's for the benefit of them what can read.