Quiz: Mystery scores

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Luke

Quote from: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 10:42:52 AMAfter two relatively easy mystery scores on my part, maybe this one will be a bit more challenging? We'll see...




Looks a bit like Petterson in some ways, but I don't know

BWV 1080

Quote from: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 09:59:30 AMCould it be Hans Werner Henze? He fits the first and third of your criteria, and the second if you consider Germany 'occupied'. He also wrote several important works for guitar, most notably Royal Winter Music.

Not sure this is it... but maybe?

Not Henze, but good guess

classicalgeek

Quote from: Luke on May 25, 2023, 11:08:41 AMLooks a bit like Petterson in some ways, but I don't know

I can see it looking like Pettersson - but it's not. Good guess, though! Look at how some of the instruments are labelled (horns, timpani, violas)...
So much great music, so little time...

Original compositions and orchestrations: https://www.youtube.com/@jmbrannigan

krummholz

Quote from: Karl Henning on May 25, 2023, 10:10:36 AMI believe Schoenberg's Serenade, Op. 24 includes guitar.

Also Webern's Op. 18 songs, for voice, E-flat clarinet, and guitar.

BWV 1080

Quote from: krummholz on May 25, 2023, 12:53:57 PMAlso Webern's Op. 18 songs, for voice, E-flat clarinet, and guitar.

completing the trinity, doesnt Wozzeck have a guitar part?

classicalgeek

Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 01:20:32 PMcompleting the trinity, doesnt Wozzeck have a guitar part?

In the onstage dance band, in Act 2, Scene 4!
So much great music, so little time...

Original compositions and orchestrations: https://www.youtube.com/@jmbrannigan

Luke

Still not completed my 'location' series (which includes 'Mystery meanderings' as I hadn't decided on the locations theme when I posted that one!). SO far we have:

Mystery meanderings #aka locations #0 - Holst - ?? - surprised this hasn't been snaffled, it's one of his most famous and best pieces.
Mystery location - Vaughan Williams Symphony 9
Mystery location 2
Mystery location 3 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 5
Mystery location 4 - Bax - Tintagel
Mystery location 5 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 3
Mystery location 6 - Elgar - Symphony 2

When it comes to the symphonies I have posted from the parts which are relevant to the location.

Luke

The guitar one - is it actually from a solo work, as it appears. Or is this part of a larger work with other instruments. Because - given the clues you've given - it's a bugger to pin down!  ;D

BWV 1080

Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 06:03:41 AMThe guitar one - is it actually from a solo work, as it appears. Or is this part of a larger work with other instruments. Because - given the clues you've given - it's a bugger to pin down!  ;D

Solo work, non-guitarist composer of equal stature to Henze within the guitar lit.  This was the last of several pieces the composer wrote for the instrument

amw

Quote from: classicalgeek on May 25, 2023, 10:42:52 AMAfter two relatively easy mystery scores on my part, maybe this one will be a bit more challenging? We'll see...


It's Koechlin - The Jungle Book

Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 06:01:30 AMStill not completed my 'location' series (which includes 'Mystery meanderings' as I hadn't decided on the locations theme when I posted that one!). SO far we have:

Mystery meanderings #aka locations #0 - Holst - ?? - surprised this hasn't been snaffled, it's one of his most famous and best pieces.
Mystery location - Vaughan Williams Symphony 9
Mystery location 2
Mystery location 3 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 5
Mystery location 4 - Bax - Tintagel
Mystery location 5 - Vaughan Williams Symphony 3
Mystery location 6 - Elgar - Symphony 2

When it comes to the symphonies I have posted from the parts which are relevant to the location.

Holst is presumably Egdon Heath but I don't know what "mystery location 2" might be.

I also know nothing about the guitar literature; my guess would have been Petrassi but that seems to have been shot down already.

krummholz

Quote from: Luke on May 24, 2023, 02:41:52 PMThe same (personal) connection with this one, plus a more obvious one to one of my last scores.

Oooh... this one is from the slow movement of RVW's 5th I think... pastoral dialogue between oboe and cor anglais, just preceding the strings' passionate entry.

classicalgeek

Quote from: amw on May 26, 2023, 08:21:04 AMIt's Koechlin - The Jungle Book
You're exactly right! Specifically, Le Loi de la Jungle.

Quote from: amw on May 26, 2023, 08:21:04 AMHolst is presumably Egdon Heath but I don't know what "mystery location 2" might be.
I don't know my non-Planets Holst nearly as well as I should, so short of actually looking at the score, I can't say whether you're right about Egdon Heath.

As far as "Mystery location 2", I had a couple more wild guesses: Frank Bridge and Frederick Delius. But looking at their scores, they tended to indicate names of instruments in English, so...

But I'm assuming a British composer... which may or may not be correct!

Quote from: amw on May 26, 2023, 08:21:04 AMI also know nothing about the guitar literature; my guess would have been Petrassi but that seems to have been shot down already.
This one really has me flummoxed...


So much great music, so little time...

Original compositions and orchestrations: https://www.youtube.com/@jmbrannigan

BWV 1080

Here is another mystery score, related to the guitar example.  It an opening solo line from a famous orchestral work


classicalgeek

Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 08:53:13 AMHere is another mystery score, related to the guitar example.  It an opening solo line from a famous orchestral work



That looks a lot like Elliott Carter... though he doesn't fit this:
Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 25, 2023, 04:39:57 AMThe composer of my score was from a country that was a major participant in WW2, lived for a few years in an occupied country and then briefly served in his country's army toward the end of the war but fortunately did not see combat
So much great music, so little time...

Original compositions and orchestrations: https://www.youtube.com/@jmbrannigan

BWV 1080

Quote from: classicalgeek on May 26, 2023, 09:05:31 AMThat looks a lot like Elliott Carter... though he doesn't fit this:

And Carter did not use double staves in any of his guitar pieces


BWV 1080

its not that hard - this composer should be one of the first names to drop when talking about major 20th century composers who wrote multiple works for guitar

This guitar piece I posted was even played at his funeral

Luke

Hill Runes. Maxwell Davies. I feel like a melon if so. That score does not look like Maxwell Davies!

BWV 1080

Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 09:46:08 AMHill Runes. Maxwell Davies. I feel like a melon if so. That score does not look like Maxwell Davies!

Nope, not English composer

For another obscure clue -
Not sure if they met, but there is an IMDB connection to Sean Connery

Luke

Quote from: BWV 1080 on May 26, 2023, 09:49:33 AMNope, not English composer

Phew, I hoped it wasn't him! It didn't look like him, but lots of the clues fit

 - he is more or less the same 'level of importance' as Henze, I'd say (if such a thing can be measured_
 - he did write a number of works for guitar
 - this is the last one
 - it was played at his funeral.

A few months ago I stood in PMD's house, where he had died, with the man who was with him at the time, and discussed that funeral, which took place just a short walk away. I was even shown a small Viking box PMD had collected and upon which his grave had been designed. So it would be embarrassing if it had been him! Like I said - I'm glad!

Of course, one clue didn't fit - the one about being called to service in the war. I forgot that clue, which couldn't have applied to PMD

Luke

Quote from: Luke on May 26, 2023, 01:53:46 PM- it was played at his funeral.


Needlessly tying myself in knots here. Initially I didn't think Hill Runes was played at PMD's funeral, I'd only ever heard of the Farewell to Stromness being played there, but when double-checking I sloppily misread something on Musicweb which therefore appeared to say it was Hill Runes after all...

Quote from: MusicwebHill Runes was written for Julian Bream with five movements or sections that each refer to lines of poetry by George Mackay Brown. This is a work, filled with remarkably skilful writing for guitar, though its tradition steps away consciously from Spanish traditions of playing, looking more towards the counterpoint of the lute music, which is more a product of British names such as John Dowland. Angular but deeply expressive, this is not really Dowland-esque in its effect, though the longer Adagio molto does seem to be searching comparable emotional realms of love and loss. this is the bit I didn't read... Staying with Sean Shibe's superlative guitar playing, the Farewell to Stromness, a deservedly popular transcription of a cabaret piece originally for piano, is a tune that Maxwell Davies said he would be content to be remembered by. Given the context here it can't help but bring a tear to the eye, as it was the only music played at Maxwell Davies's funeral. Farewell indeed.

I was surprised, but it seemed to fit BWV's clue, so I went with it. What a fool!  :-[