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Title: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on March 25, 2009, 12:15:26 AM
I have just been listening to Englund's Symphony No 2 (Estonian SO/Peeter Lilie) on the Ondine label. What a great work - especially the beautiful second movement which, to me at least, reflects the healing power of nature. I have a few of his symphonies (there is a Naxos CD) but No 2 is probably my favourite. I also like his 'Great Wall of China'. Any other admirers?
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Christo on March 25, 2009, 01:23:28 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 25, 2009, 12:15:26 AM
I have just been listening to Englund's Symphony No 2 (Estonian SO/Peeter Lilie) on the Ondine label. What a great work - especially the beautiful second movement which, to me at least, reflects the healing power of nature. I have a few of his symphonies (there is a Naxos CD) but No 2 is probably my favourite. I also like his 'Great Wall of China'. Any other admirers?

Pas étonné de se trouver ensemble, here! :D

I love both the Fourth `Nostalgic' (1976) and Fifth `Fennica' (1977) even more than the Second `Blackbird' (1948). So I really look forward to the remaining Third, Sixth and Seventh symphonies to explore. But I lack time to play much music, these years, and these three symphonies are only available on Ondine and a bit expensive.  :-\

Did you play them?  ::)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on March 25, 2009, 02:10:06 AM
Quote from: Christo on March 25, 2009, 01:23:28 AM
Pas étonné de se trouver ensemble, here! :D

I love both the Fourth `Nostalgic' (1976) and Fifth `Fennica' (1977) even more than the Second `Blackbird' (1948). So I really look forward to the remaining Third, Sixth and Seventh symphonies to explore. But I lack time to play much music, these years, and these three symphonies are only available on Ondine and a bit expensive.  :-\

Did you play them?  ::)

:) I am playing my CD with symphonies 4 and 5 on at the moment - it also has the fine 'The Great Wall of China'. Do you like that? The Overture is fun.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Moldyoldie on March 25, 2009, 05:51:43 AM
[Previously posted in "What Are You Listening To?"]

On a virgin voyage with Finnish composer Einar Englund...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61qJ%2BKwaqML._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Englund: Symphony No. 4 "Nostalgic"; Symphony No. 5 "Fennica"; The Great Wall of China
Tampere Philharmonic Orchestra
Eri Klas, cond.
ONDINE

Englund's Symphony No. 4 (1976) is in four movements, only one of which can be described as uptempo, which takes the listener on an emotional ride on orchestral strings with occasional respites emanating from a colorful plethora of percussion.  This one presents some fascinating sounds and aural "pictures" evocative of time and remembrance.  Englund quotes Sibelius's Tapiola in the movement labeled "Nostalgia" whence the symphony derives its sobriquet.

The single-movement Symphony No. 5 (1977) utilizes a full orchestra in evoking the composer's terrible WWII experiences in an alternating fast/slow/fast/slow sequence which is very reminiscent of Shostakovich's most harrowing and powerful symphonic utterances.

The eight-part The Great Wall of China (1949) is music for an obviously parodistic play which includes a rumba, a tango, jazz, a gong, and a "March a la Shostakovich" -- great fun! :D

The 24-bit recording is incredibly vivid and one can't imagine performances more committed or convincing.  This is a composer I'm definitely going to explore further!
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Dundonnell on March 25, 2009, 08:05:02 AM
There was quite a lot of discussion about Englund in July of last year(around page 16) of the Scandinavian Composers' thread and I expressed my huge admiration for this very fine(if very Shostakovichian) composer then. I need to go back to refresh my memory of Symphonies Nos. 3 and 7 but there is a good review of No.6- and a review with which I am in total agreement- here:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2000/sept00/englund.htm
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Guido on March 25, 2009, 11:43:52 AM
The cello concerto is one of the hidden gems of the repertoire, and in my opinion one of the very finest for the instrument. It contains many extremely arresting ideas, perhaps almost too many, but it's all so beautifully clear and well thought out, with a poise and elegance that is quite unique. The first movement is by turns angular and forceful, and pensive and focussed, with a partiularly memorable lilting dancelike theme that appears before the Cadenza. The second movement is really very beautiful and subtle, and the finale a dazzling and almost scary presto. I really don't understand why it hasn't been siezed and put in the repertoire, but my guess is that the stature of Englund's corpus as a whole (or rather the public's perception (or non perception!)) has held back his very best works.

The other music of his that I have tried, I haven't warmed to as much, as it has generally been rather harsher in character and less welcoming, but I will need to try some of these symphonies at some point.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on March 27, 2009, 08:11:32 AM
Quote from: Guido on March 25, 2009, 11:43:52 AM
The cello concerto is one of the hidden gems of the repertoire, and in my opinion one of the very finest for the instrument. It contains many extremely arresting ideas, perhaps almost too many, but it's all so beautifully clear and well thought out, with a poise and elegance that is quite unique. The first movement is by turns angular and forceful, and pensive and focusses, with a partiularly memorable lilting dancelike theme that appears before the Cadenza. The second movement is really very beautiful and subtle, and the finale a dazzling and almost scary presto. I really don't understand why it hasn't been siezed and put in the repertoire, but my guess is that the stature of Englund's corpus as a whole (or rather the public's perception (or non perception!)) has held back his very best works.

The other music of his that I have tried, I haven't warmed to as much, as it has generally been rather harsher in character and less welcoming, but I will need to try some of these symphonies at some point.

I was delighted to find that I have a CD of the Cello Concerto (with Symphony No 6 on Ondine).  You are right - it is an excellent work. I'm not sure that I had ever listened to it before. Thanks for alerting me to yet another exciting discovery.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Guido on March 27, 2009, 08:14:54 AM
You are very welcome - glad to bring it to your attention!
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on March 27, 2009, 08:21:32 AM
Quote from: Guido on March 27, 2009, 08:14:54 AM
You are very welcome - glad to bring it to your attention!

In fact the whole CD is really good. I am currently enjoying 'Aphorisms' but the Cello Concerto is special - I have played it several times today (on the CD player, sadly not on the cello!) Actually, an accomplished Korean student/cellist at the school I teach at, once played me the opening bars of Miaskovsky's Cello Concerto as a birthday gift - perhaps the most touching present I have ever received.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Dundonnell on March 27, 2009, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 27, 2009, 08:21:32 AM
In fact the whole CD is really good. I am currently enjoying 'Aphorisms' but the Cello Concerto is special - I have played it several times today (on the CD player, sadly not on the cello!) Actually, an accomplished Korean student/cellist at the school I teach at, once played me the opening bars of Miaskovsky's Cello Concerto as a birthday gift - perhaps the most touching present I have ever received.

That tells us something about the school at which you have the honour to teach, doesn't it :)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on March 28, 2009, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: Dundonnell on March 27, 2009, 09:13:28 AM
That tells us something about the school at which you have the honour to teach, doesn't it :)

OT

Yes it does Colin, although at the moment I am feeling rather less charitable towards the place.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: snyprrr on June 20, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
I just got Englund Piano Qnt. and SQ (BIS) in the mail. Looking forward to a midnight listen! Will most certainly be back with impressions.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Christo on June 20, 2009, 11:25:20 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 27, 2009, 08:11:32 AM
I was delighted to find that I have a CD of the Cello Concerto (with Symphony No 6 on Ondine).  

;) Yes, that's a function of this forum that has become ever more prominent: alerting us that we actually own a specific cd. ::)

Indeed, some of use - you and I included, I'm afraid - often plan to buy a cd, only to discover that we own it already. Though we're often only reminded of the fact after we put a new acquisition on our shelves next to an identical copy.  8)  ::)

So far, I couldn't find my copy of Englund's Sixth coupled with the Cello Concerto, but I may be overlooking it.  ::) 0:)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Dundonnell on June 20, 2009, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 20, 2009, 11:25:20 AM
;) Yes, that's a function of this forum that has become ever more prominent: alerting us that we actually own a specific cd. ::)

Indeed, some of use - you and I included, I'm afraid - often plan to buy a cd, only to discover that we own it already. Though we're often only reminded of the fact after we put a new acquisition on our shelves next to an identic copy.  8)  ::)

So far, I couldn't find my copy of Englund's Sixth coupled with the Cello Concerto, but I may be overlooking it.  ::) 0:)

Database, Johan, database ;D ;D
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Christo on June 20, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
Quote from: Dundonnell on June 20, 2009, 12:16:37 PM
Database, Johan, database ;D ;D

:P A typical post-retirement word we, the working class, proudly defy.  0:) 0:)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Dundonnell on June 20, 2009, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 20, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
:P A typical post-retirement word we, the working class, proudly defy.  0:) 0:)

;D

I do tend to forget that those with many more commitments than I do have less time to devote to organizing their lives :)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on June 21, 2009, 07:31:13 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 20, 2009, 11:25:20 AM
;) Yes, that's a function of this forum that has become ever more prominent: alerting us that we actually own a specific cd. ::)

Indeed, some of use - you and I included, I'm afraid - often plan to buy a cd, only to discover that we own it already. Though we're often only reminded of the fact after we put a new acquisition on our shelves next to an identical copy.  8)  ::)

So far, I couldn't find my copy of Englund's Sixth coupled with the Cello Concerto, but I may be overlooking it.  ::) 0:)

Just re-order it Johan and smuggle it into the house - this saves so much hassle  ;D
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: springrite on June 21, 2009, 07:35:20 AM
Quote from: Moldyoldie on March 25, 2009, 05:51:43 AM
[Previously posted in "What Are You Listening To?"]

On a virgin voyage with Finnish composer Einar Englund...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61qJ%2BKwaqML._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Englund: Symphony No. 4 "Nostalgic"; Symphony No. 5 "Fennica"; The Great Wall of China
Tampere Philharmonic Orchestra
Eri Klas, cond.
ONDINE

Englund's Symphony No. 4 (1976) is in four movements, only one of which can be described as uptempo, which takes the listener on an emotional ride on orchestral strings with occasional respites emanating from a colorful plethora of percussion.  This one presents some fascinating sounds and aural "pictures" evocative of time and remembrance.  Englund quotes Sibelius's Tapiola in the movement labeled "Nostalgia" whence the symphony derives its sobriquet.

The single-movement Symphony No. 5 (1977) utilizes a full orchestra in evoking the composer's terrible WWII experiences in an alternating fast/slow/fast/slow sequence which is very reminiscent of Shostakovich's most harrowing and powerful symphonic utterances.

The eight-part The Great Wall of China (1949) is music for an obviously parodistic play which includes a rumba, a tango, jazz, a gong, and a "March a la Shostakovich" -- great fun! :D

The 24-bit recording is incredibly vivid and one can't imagine performances more committed or convincing.  This is a composer I'm definitely going to explore further!

Now, this is one CD I should get! I do not have the two symphonies, and I live only a few miles from The Great Wall!
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on June 21, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: springrite on June 21, 2009, 07:35:20 AM
Now, this is one CD I should get! I do not have the two symphonies, and I live only a few miles from The Great Wall!

It's a very good CD - I especially like the Overture from 'The Great Wall of China' (a bit like Nielsen's 'Aladdin') - great fun)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: snyprrr on July 01, 2009, 10:22:26 AM
Englund Piano Quintet/String Quartet-BIS

I was hoping for a dark and stormy night to inaugurate this cd, but that didn't happen, so I just cranked up the a.c. and pitched a tent under my covers (no, not that kind of tent!).

I came at the SQ (1985) as the long awaited answer to Sibelius' SQ (1909), as the modern nordic SQ. High expectations, yes, but hey, why not? One thing I can say is that this SQ sounded just like (?) I imagined a 1985 SQ by Englund would sound (though I've not heard note one from this composer). Does that mean it's Shosty's nephew? No, not really, though there are reminders of Bloch. Like I said, the SQ sounded just as would have imagined (though, thankfully, there were surprises). Perhaps I should say that it exceeded my expectations (which, like I said, were high). Perhaps I can't give these pieces my "instant, unqualified masterpiece" certificate, but perhaps, that is a good thing and a testament to the elusive quality of Englund's inspiration.

It is in the four regular mvmts. It opens in enigmatic fashion, with wisps of chromatic melody gathering energy for a wintery Moderato (reminders of Grieg string music; late Bartok). This is followed by a more energetic Valse. allegro moderato, an Adagio, and a Tema con variazioni. allegretto.

The whole SQ flies by (25min). Dark green/light grey was the color I saw most: a snowless wintery landscape, quiet, with that "long ago" feeling (though not quite Myaskovskian nostalgia). Even the "summer" moments had a cloudy day feel to them. Perhaps the strange tree collage on the cd cover (very difficult to make out) perfectly illustrates the mood contained here. I am finding it difficult to put into words the exact "mood" this SQ exudes, but I suppose if Brahms was 88 and lived in the tundra... the emotions here are subdued, every note chosen. In a way, it reminds me of DSCH No.8, but without the violence and utter darkness. I was surprised how intimate this SQ is. I have a feeling I will be listening to this a lot come those deep winter nights with a pale moon.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: snyprrr on July 01, 2009, 10:39:21 AM
The Piano Quintet from 1941 comes, obviously, from the other end of the spectrum. It is "neo-classic," which here translates into "spiky." The first two mvmts. have that young-man-on-a-mission sound, very exhuberant. I don't want to say that Hindemith is the closest ally here: perhaps him, and a bit of late Bartok.

I can't say these first two mvmts. made me think of "masterpiece," but the third, the slow mvmt., started off very well indeed. By the time this Qnt. ended I was satisfied (more so than when it began). Though not in the league of Bloch's No.1, or with the immediate appeal of the Piston, this work has footprints. There certainly aren't that many PQs around this time to compare it with (Bloch No.2, perhaps, which I don't have anymore).

All in all, this is a very enigmatic release to my ears. The PQ brims with energy, whilst the SQ has that IndianSummer feeling, albeit from a Northern perspective. Once again, the bare cover art of this cd seems to be dead on, though I would have preferred more than one tree collage! In a way, this sounds to me as if Bloch had lived into the '80s.

The Sinfonia Lahti Chamber Ensemble (w/Peter Lonnqvist, piano) play very orchestrally, which certainly befits the SQ. Of course, the sound is fine.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on September 29, 2010, 01:51:09 PM
Thought I'd bump up this thread. I find that I own a Finlandia 'Meet the Composer' double CD devoted to the music of Einar Englund and am just listening to the wonderful (IMHO) Symphony No 2 (Blackbird). The moving opening of the central movement is one of my favourite moments in 20th century classical music - a truly inspiriting and deeply affecting episode in a fine symphony.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: snyprrr on July 18, 2011, 10:30:43 AM
bump
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 02, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
I've been revisiting some "Naxos classics," by which I mean certain Naxos discs that I acquired a long time ago (at least 10 years) and haven't listened to in a long while.

The disc of Englund's Symphonies 2 & 4, plus Piano Cto. #1, has been inhabiting my CD player recently. Well what can I say but damn, this is good stuff. It's exactly as good as when I first heard it back in 2000 or so. Music built to last. Englund sounds a bit like Bartok, a bit like Prokofiev, a bit like DSCH, and a bit like Sibelius, but always like himself. It's a delicate balancing act, but he pulls it off.

Strangely, I never felt compelled to buy more Englund discs. It's like having this one superb disc is enough for me.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: North Star on September 16, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 16, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
Not to derail this thread, but have you heard Englund's symphonies? No. 2 (subtitled Blackbird) is an especially haunting, moving work. :)
I've heard this before, listening to it now again, this is an excellent piece, with some definite Shostakovich influence, but also something more Central European influence. Will listen some more Englund. :)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999 BOY DO I LIKE ENGLUND
Post by: snyprrr on October 21, 2015, 05:43:51 AM
just sampling some Englund, and, as compared to, say, Blomdahl, Englund is emerging as a favorite.

I've sampled all the Symphonies, and they all seem to appeal to me. As a Symphonist, I'm enjoying Englund so much more than others that I've tried recently. There's a certain limpid quality,... the Blomdahl were very much more aggressive; Englund has some reflective poise...

I'm debating on whether to just get ALL Englund in one fell swoop,... Syms. 1-7, Piano Ctos 1-2, maybe even the Finlandia 2CD...


Anyone familiar with the Piano Cti.?
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999 BOY DO I LIKE ENGLUND
Post by: vandermolen on October 21, 2015, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on October 21, 2015, 05:43:51 AM
just sampling some Englund, and, as compared to, say, Blomdahl, Englund is emerging as a favorite.

I've sampled all the Symphonies, and they all seem to appeal to me. As a Symphonist, I'm enjoying Englund so much more than others that I've tried recently. There's a certain limpid quality,... the Blomdahl were very much more aggressive; Englund has some reflective poise...

I'm debating on whether to just get ALL Englund in one fell swoop,... Syms. 1-7, Piano Ctos 1-2, maybe even the Finlandia 2CD...


Anyone familiar with the Piano Cti.?

The piano concerto are very enjoyable I think I have an Ondine CD. I like the First Symphony by Blomdahl more than the better known 'Facetter'. It has a redemptive ending reflecting the influence of his teacher Hilding Rosenberg.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Scion7 on October 21, 2015, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on July 01, 2009, 10:22:26 AM
I was hoping for a dark and stormy night to inaugurate this cd, but that didn't happen, so I just cranked up the a.c. and pitched a tent under my covers (no, not that kind of tent!).

(http://s13.postimg.org/9csy3c7jb/snyprr_tent.jpg)

:P
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999 ???? FINLANDIA VS ONDINE IN 1-2????
Post by: snyprrr on October 27, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
Please, new erato, dun-d, vandermoldie... :laugh:, sorry,...christo,... anyone...

Is there a sonsensus on quality between the Finlandia 1-2 and the Ondine 1-2? Ondine would be assumed to have better sound,... though, vintage is about the same (early 90s), but the Finlania has slower movements,... who knows???

serious CDCDCD alert here, let's get crackin'!!
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: The new erato on October 27, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
I have no idea about the Finlandia discs. Wish Warner could get more of them reissued.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999 ENGLUND IS WORTH YOUR PERUSAL
Post by: snyprrr on November 01, 2015, 05:41:52 AM
Quote from: The new erato on October 27, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
I have no idea about the Finlandia discs. Wish Warner could get more of them reissued.

No matter, I got both on order!

Have now heard the Ondine with 3 & 7. I like his style,... I don't know what else to say,... I don't find it all too DSCH-y,... not particularly Hindemithian,... but still solidly "mid century" through and through,... "normal" Symphonic Music,..., very clear,... cut, yet limpid,...

I have ALL the discs coming, except Cello Concerto/Sym.6,... the Finlandia 2CD with the Violin, Flute, and Clarinet Concertos (super cheap!),... the Piano Ctos.,.. 4/5- Great Wall,... 1/2 Ondine,...


Naw,... I've got no critique,... Englund is a very pleasing Symphonist,... no need for all that Robert Simpson drama,... probably I'd say he sounds most like Kokkonen, but less "nature" like, more just solid musical argument type stuff, but without all that developing blah,... always with some good celesta...
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: snyprrr on November 02, 2015, 08:54:12 AM
Interesting. Englund wrote the music for the 1952 Finnish "horror" film 'The White Reindeer'.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Christo on November 02, 2015, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on November 02, 2015, 08:54:12 AMInteresting. Englund wrote the music for the 1952 Finnish "horror" film 'The White Reindeer'.

The Suite from it is actually on this BIS CD (that I own, but paid to little attention to):
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/7318590005750.jpg)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on November 02, 2015, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: Christo on November 02, 2015, 11:51:06 AM
The Suite from it is actually on this BIS CD (that I own, but paid to little attention to):
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/7318590005750.jpg)
The Suite from 'The White Reindeer' is very nice. You can find it here:
[asin]B000027E4C[/asin]
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on November 02, 2015, 11:56:39 AM
Christo beat me to it.  :) The Suite is one of my favourite works on that CD.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999 ENGLUND IS GOOD STUFF PEEPS
Post by: snyprrr on November 03, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 02, 2015, 11:56:39 AM
Christo beat me to it.  :) The Suite is one of my favourite works on that CD.

interesting


Continuing with the England-a-thon. In the middle of No.2, 'Blackbird': I'm just liking Englund's style, very clear, muscular yet limpid, Sure, there's a sameness, but, hey, I like this style so give me more of it! The PCs just arrived today, waiting on 4/5. Yea, hey, Englund is doing all the right things for me; not such melodies as DSCH, but the 'Objective' Nordic sound is readily apparent, the whole mood of his work, whether happy, sad, slow, fast, there is a certain genial quality in all these works. The violence is notharrowing, but just Symphonic,... idk, I can't think of too many "normal" sounding Composers' Symphonies I've enjoyed more recently, and especially Nordic ones.

Have you heard the Erland von Koch CD with his Symphony No.2?
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999 PIANO CONCERTOS 1-2
Post by: snyprrr on November 04, 2015, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 21, 2015, 07:47:05 AM
The piano concerto are very enjoyable I think I have an Ondine CD. I like the First Symphony by Blomdahl more than the better known 'Facetter'. It has a redemptive ending reflecting the influence of his teacher Hilding Rosenberg.

Just got the disc with the 2 PC. Mmm,... well, idk, this is my least favoured EE now. I found the 2nd, from 1974, the less interesting, as others have said. But, the 1st, other than, apparently being THE "Nordic PC" of the era, even with some cool Nordic harmonies, some ice, it just sounds like a typical modern PC to me. Oh well, cures my buying outbreak, lol!

I suppose the Naxos disc would be the way to go for those wishing to sample this rep...


eh
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999 1-2 1-2 n1-2 n1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2
Post by: snyprrr on November 05, 2015, 10:44:01 AM
Symphony No.1 'War'
Symphony no.2 'Blackbird'


No.1 is marginally more bracing; both are quite enjoyable. No.2 has a very nice, Shostakovich-flavoured slow movement. Englund has some of that martial snare and triangle thing that signals a "war" Symphony. His style seemed a bit diluted to me in the two PC, but in all of the Syms. I've heard (1,2,3,7) he treads a nigh perfect mix of what I want to hear out of a Modern Conservative Symphony.

For some reason, Piston seems to be the one most in competition with EE for my attention, and EE wins hands down. Maybe he's just slightly less bombastic in the finales?

anyhow, my thoughts on EE have been pretty vapid,... sorry folks!! :-[


awaiting 4/5...
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on May 20, 2019, 04:20:25 AM
Thought Englund deserved a 'bump up' as I've been enjoying every work on this CD and am playing the Symphony 2 'Blackbird' over and over again. It has some wonderfully inspiriting moments. I shouldn't generalise but many Finnish composers seem to have a unique and very special contact with nature - all those forests I guess:
(//)
PS I just realised that I started this thread ten years ago, making much the same sort of comment as I'm making now.  ::)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: kyjo on May 20, 2019, 11:55:48 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 20, 2019, 04:20:25 AM
Thought Englund deserved a 'bump up' as I've been enjoying every work on this CD and am playing the Symphony 2 'Blackbird' over and over again. It has some wonderfully inspiriting moments. I shouldn't generalise but many Finnish composers seem to have a unique and very special contact with nature - all those forests I guess:
(//)
PS I just realised that I started this thread ten years ago, making much the same sort of comment as I'm making now.  ::)

Yes, the 2nd Symphony is indeed a wonderful work with martial, war-like passages contrasting with passages of great lyrical beauty (featuring avian flute solos, hence the symphony's subtitle). I also really like Englund's Cello Concerto as well as both of his PCs.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on July 31, 2020, 07:13:54 AM
Here's David Hurwitz's enthusiastic presentation on Einar Englund:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBP8chTGPiY
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on July 31, 2020, 09:33:35 PM
Am enjoying Englund's Symphony No.2 'The Blackbird' which is my favourite:
(//)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: 71 dB on August 01, 2020, 06:27:44 AM
I have the Ondine disc of Piano Concertos 1 and 2 plus Epinikia in shink wraps waiting for the proper moment...

Quote from: vandermolen on July 31, 2020, 07:13:54 AM
Here's David Hurwitz's enthusiastic presentation on Einar Englund:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBP8chTGPiY

How can some people be that good in expressing strong enthusiasm without being preachy?

Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on August 01, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on August 01, 2020, 06:27:44 AM
I have the Ondine disc of Piano Concertos 1 and 2 plus Epinikia in shink wraps waiting for the proper moment...

How can some people be that good in expressing strong enthusiasm without being preachy?
That's a nice disc 71 dB. I like both the concertos but Epinikia most of all. Hope the shrink wrap comes off soon!  :)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: 71 dB on August 02, 2020, 03:38:44 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on August 01, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
That's a nice disc 71 dB. I like both the concertos but Epinikia most of all. Hope the shrink wrap comes off soon!  :)

The disc is part of my latest JPC order and the other four discs are also still in shrink wraps. I am in no hurry with them and it's nice to have "new" discs for the right moment that feel right. That way I hopefully buy less and save money. The discovery of Haydn's Op. 20 sidetracked me from the Englund track...  ;D
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Alex Bozman on September 01, 2020, 01:26:52 PM
Unsure how to copy images onto this site...?

David Hurwitz's review and excerpt from The Great Wall of China, persuaded me to finally buy the cd featuring, though now out of stock, so had to resort to a second hand copy from e-bay. That cd had attracted some positive comment early on in this thread and it was good to get to know the 5th symphony too. My favourite Englund piece is the 1st symphony, as with a few other favourites, it was the first piece of his that I owned. Have always found his Blackbird Symphony a little elusive though.


Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 01, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
The Great Wall of China is a very fun work indeed. All of what I've heard by Englund has been of significant musical quality, including his chamber music. You should also try his piano concertos. Fantastic stuff.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on September 02, 2020, 04:48:10 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on September 01, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
The Great Wall of China is a very fun work indeed. All of what I've heard by Englund has been of significant musical quality, including his chamber music. You should also try his piano concertos. Fantastic stuff.
+1
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: André on September 02, 2020, 05:03:21 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on July 31, 2020, 09:33:35 PM
(https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11799.0;attach=66456;image)
Am enjoying Englund's Symphony No.2 'The Blackbird' which is my favourite:
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I have a few discs of this very fine composer's music, but this one strikes me as the ideal entry point.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on September 02, 2020, 05:37:43 AM
Quote from: André on September 02, 2020, 05:03:21 AM
I have a few discs of this very fine composer's music, but this one strikes me as the ideal entry point.
Definitely!
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Christo on September 02, 2020, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: André on September 02, 2020, 05:03:21 AM
I have a few discs of this very fine composer's music, but this one strikes me as the ideal entry point.
Mostly because of the wonderful Fourth Symphony - my favourite.  >:D
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on October 28, 2021, 09:00:07 AM
CD 2 in this set has to be my very favourite Englund disc as it contains 'Epinikia', the 'War' Symphony (No.1) and the 'Blackbird' Symphony - arguably three of his greatest works (all composed between 1946 and 1948):
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Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Symphonic Addict on October 28, 2021, 07:54:52 PM
Great composer and works, Jeffrey. Since you mentioned Epinikia, it really sounds like something epic. It could be also "Epikinia".
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on October 28, 2021, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on October 28, 2021, 07:54:52 PM
Great composer and works, Jeffrey. Since you mentioned Epinikia, it really sounds like something epic. It could be also "Epikinia".
I think that you're right Cesar!
;D
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: classicalgeek on March 29, 2022, 04:54:01 PM
(cross-posted on the 'WAYLT' thread)

Today I finally made Englund's acquaintance with these two discs (on Spotify):

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61TgKyYr-iL._UX358_FMwebp_QL85_.jpg)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61gXUVZBNZL._SL1200_.jpg)

All I can say is... where has this music been all my life? Every work is finely crafted in an approachable but totally individual voice; I found the Cello Concerto an especially fine work, with great solo work by the cellist. I'd say I'm not normally one for choral symphonies (even though my favorite symphony ever is Mahler 2 ;D), but in Englund's Sixth the choir is a pleasant addition, and never outstays its welcome; it's a really beautiful work on the whole. The two piano concertos are real virtuoso showpieces; Raekallio really digs in to the piano parts and plays them for all their worth! Epinikia is a delightful orchestral showpiece which never turns bombastic. And all the works are expertly orchestrated; Englund has a real gift for orchestral color. I loved every minute on both discs, and I can't wait to explore more of Englund's work!
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: dhibbard on March 29, 2022, 05:52:42 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 28, 2021, 09:00:07 AM
CD 2 in this set has to be my very favourite Englund disc as it contains 'Epinikia', the 'War' Symphony (No.1) and the 'Blackbird' Symphony - arguably three of his greatest works (all composed between 1946 and 1948):
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yes this a great collection of his works.  got it also... was hard to find.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on March 30, 2022, 06:13:10 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on March 29, 2022, 04:54:01 PM
(cross-posted on the 'WAYLT' thread)

Today I finally made Englund's acquaintance with these two discs (on Spotify):

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61TgKyYr-iL._UX358_FMwebp_QL85_.jpg)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61gXUVZBNZL._SL1200_.jpg)

All I can say is... where has this music been all my life? Every work is finely crafted in an approachable but totally individual voice; I found the Cello Concerto an especially fine work, with great solo work by the cellist. I'd say I'm not normally one for choral symphonies (even though my favorite symphony ever is Mahler 2 ;D), but in Englund's Sixth the choir is a pleasant addition, and never outstays its welcome; it's a really beautiful work on the whole. The two piano concertos are real virtuoso showpieces; Raekallio really digs in to the piano parts and plays them for all their worth! Epinikia is a delightful orchestral showpiece which never turns bombastic. And all the works are expertly orchestrated; Englund has a real gift for orchestral color. I loved every minute on both discs, and I can't wait to explore more of Englund's work!
Pardon, but what is the top one--I can't see the image.  :(

PD
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: classicalgeek on March 30, 2022, 07:59:48 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on March 30, 2022, 06:13:10 AM
Pardon, but what is the top one--I can't see the image.  :(

PD

The top disc is Englund's Cello Concerto and his (choral) Symphony no. 6. I quite enjoyed both works, especially the Cello Concerto!
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on March 30, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: classicalgeek on March 30, 2022, 07:59:48 AM
The top disc is Englund's Cello Concerto and his (choral) Symphony no. 6. I quite enjoyed both works, especially the Cello Concerto!
Who are the artists, etc.?  I don't know whether there is more than one recording?

PD
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: classicalgeek on March 30, 2022, 02:28:01 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on March 30, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
Who are the artists, etc.?  I don't know whether there is more than one recording?

PD

It's the only recording of both works that I'm aware of. Some of his earlier symphonies were recorded on the Finlandia label, but not no. 6.

The cellist in the concerto is Jan-Erik Gustafsson. The Tampere Philharmonic (and the Tampere Philharmonic Choir in the Sixth Symphony) are conducted by Eri Klas.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 01, 2022, 03:49:54 AM
Quote from: classicalgeek on March 30, 2022, 02:28:01 PM
It's the only recording of both works that I'm aware of. Some of his earlier symphonies were recorded on the Finlandia label, but not no. 6.

The cellist in the concerto is Jan-Erik Gustafsson. The Tampere Philharmonic (and the Tampere Philharmonic Choir in the Sixth Symphony) are conducted by Eri Klas.
Thanks!

PD
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 24, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Thoroughly thrilled by his vibrant, spirited Piano Quintet (1941) from this tremendous recording. Even the slow movement has some stormy passages, though it also features some impressionist-like gestures that provide a necessary contrast and rest. Great stuff!

(https://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/BIS-CD-1197.jpg)
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: vandermolen on September 28, 2023, 03:56:30 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on September 24, 2023, 07:47:33 PMThoroughly thrilled by his vibrant, spirited Piano Quintet (1941) from this tremendous recording. Even the slow movement has some stormy passages, though it also features some impressionist-like gestures that provide a necessary contrast and rest. Great stuff!

(https://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/BIS-CD-1197.jpg)
The samples on the Presto website sound very good indeed. The Piano Quintet reminded me of Shostakovich in places Cesar.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Maestro267 on September 28, 2023, 06:09:42 AM
I don't know why but Einar Englund feels like one of those composers who should have a CPO Complete Symphonies box to their name, but they don't as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Einar Englund 1916-1999
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 28, 2023, 07:59:37 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 28, 2023, 03:56:30 AMThe samples on the Presto website sound very good indeed. The Piano Quintet reminded me of Shostakovich in places Cesar.

It certainly has echoes from Shostakovich and a little of Bartók, Jeffrey.