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Title: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 09:36:36 AM
You have five selections among the thirty-six choices.  Mine are:

Blumenstock/Butt
van Dael/van Asperen
Carmignola/Marcon
Kuijken/Leonhardt
Ronez/Kubitschek
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: listener on April 22, 2010, 11:36:32 AM
I"m not voting since I have not heard most of these, but I will look up the Schmid version as I am enjoying his recording (MD&G) of BWV 1001 - 1006 with piano accompaniment composed by Robert Schumann
The pianist is Lisa Smirnova
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 22, 2010, 12:10:22 PM
This time I will betray my principles: no polls, no rankings.

This is my list:

Kuijken/Leonhardt

Ngai/Watchorn

Blumenstock/Butt

Glodeanu/Haas (the most sensual version that I have listened to. If I were Goldeanu's husband, I would hit Haas.  :D).

Podger (I love this girl)/Pinnock
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 12:28:54 PM
This time I will betray my principles: no polls, no rankings.

This is my list:

Kuijken/Leonhardt

Ngai/Watchorn

Blumenstock/Butt

Glodeanu/Haas (the most sensual version that I have listened to. If I were Goldeanu's husband, I would hit Haas.  :D).

Podger (I love this girl)/Pinnock

Both Podger and Glodeanu were close to making my top five.

Concerning Ngai/Watchorn, I though Watchorn did a great job; was less enthusiastic about Ngai.  His violin tone is gorgeous, but I found him  a little lacking in vitality.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 22, 2010, 12:45:39 PM
Difficult task. Most of the twenty four sets I own of these works range between outstanding and very good. But in the end I think I would prefer:

Malgoire / Rannou

Kuijken / Leonhardt

Blumenstock / Butt

Huggett / Koopman

Holloway / Moroney


Some contenders are missing from the poll, among others
Fryden/ Leonhardt, Harnoncourt/Tachezi, Lautenbacher/Galling, Suk/Ruzickova.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 22, 2010, 12:50:31 PM
Concerning Ngai/Watchorn, I though Watchorn did a great job; was less enthusiastic about Ngai.  His violin tone is gorgeous, but I found him  a little lacking in vitality.

That's probably right, but it's one of the most balanced versions that I know. And maybe that –to play these pieces like real trio sonatas- implies to restrain a bit the prominence of the violin.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Scarpia on April 22, 2010, 12:54:01 PM
I voted for Grumiaux, Wallfish and Holloway, because I think I have those.  I've never heard any others.   :-[  I also have Mullova/Canino, but it's not listed, I guess because it is not a complete traversal. 
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 22, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Most of the twenty four sets I own of these works...

At least this time I am closer, my completist and learned friend.  :)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 12:55:29 PM
That's probably right, but it's one of the most balanced versions that I know. And maybe that –to play these pieces like real trio sonatas- implies to restrain a bit the prominence of the violin.

Perhaps, but I'm not the type who likes a restrained baroque violin.  That was also my problem with Manze in the Sonatas for Violin and Keyboard.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 01:00:43 PM
Difficult task. Most of the twenty four sets I own of these works range between outstanding and very good. But in the end I think I would prefer:

Malgoire / Rannou

Kuijken / Leonhardt

Blumenstock / Butt

Huggett / Koopman

Holloway / Moroney

I have 20 versions; you win.  Your list is very appealing; I was sad to leave out Huggett and Holloway.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 22, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Perhaps, but I'm not the type who likes a restrained baroque violin.  That was also my problem with Manze in the Sonatas for Violin and Keyboard.

Curiously, I had the same impression in the morning when I read your opinions. On the other hand, I love when the performers are particularly worried about the balance between the instruments and that notion of trio sonata. Even Manze's liner notes begin with a well-known quotation of CPE Bach, where he calls these works "the six harpsichord trios". IIRC, Watchorn says some interesting things about this issue in the extra CD (or the notes?) of his set.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 01:45:18 PM
Curiously, I had the same impression in the morning when I read your opinions. On the other hand, I love when the performers are particularly worried about the balance between the instruments and that notion of trio sonata.

I think most of us place some priority on balance of musical lines; that's a prime reason I love the Bach of Gould and Sheppard. 
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 02:00:57 PM
Any favorite movements from the 6 Sonatas?  Mine is the cembalo solo from the G major/BWV 1019, perhaps Bach's most joyous and bubbly solo keyboard piece.  If you listen to that solo from Alessandrini, van Asperen or Moroney, you're in for a big treat.  I bet you can't stay still.

Sticking with the cembalo solo, I'm amazed that the Goebel/Hill version excludes it based on using BWV 1019a.  There may be some historical accuracy for the exclusion, but I don't take well to my favorite movement missing in action.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 22, 2010, 02:02:00 PM
Do you have that Terakado/Henstra set, Don? It looks very enticing to me.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 02:10:12 PM
Do you have that Terakado/Henstra set, Don? It looks very enticing to me.

Yes I do.  FWIW, I found the performances well-manicured and polite - not my cup of tea.  Also, Henstra is earth-bound in the Cembalo solo.

However, when I listen to the Terakado in isolation, it sounds mighty fine.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 22, 2010, 02:16:45 PM
I voted for Grumiaux, Wallfish and Holloway, because I think I have those.  I've never heard any others.   :-[  I also have Mullova/Canino, but it's not listed, I guess because it is not a complete traversal.

Well, I'm w/ Scarpia - i.e. I've not heard most of these recordings so cannot really give an honest opinion nor a vote - I do own 3 sets:  Mullova-Dantone, Wallfisch-Nicholson, & Grumiaux-Jaccottet and have culled these out over the years based on reviews, comments here, & my own listening.  However, the Blumenstock-Butt recordings seem to be getting some repeated attention - is this a set worth pursuing?   :)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 22, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
Any favorite movements from the 6 Sonatas? 

Third movement (Andante un poco) of the Second Sonata BWV 1015; then the third movement (Adagio ma non tanto) of the Sonata No. 3 BWV 1016, both of them so full of, I don't know, can I say... not melancholy, but compassion for the poor, small human being?
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 03:14:12 PM
Well, I'm w/ Scarpia - i.e. I've not heard most of these recordings so cannot really give an honest opinion nor a vote - I do own 3 sets:  Mullova-Dantone, Wallfisch-Nicholson, & Grumiaux-Jaccottet and have culled these out over the years based on reviews, comments here, & my own listening.  However, the Blumenstock-Butt recordings seem to be getting some repeated attention - is this a set worth pursuing?   :)

Nah.  Folks are just voting for it to trick you. ;)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 22, 2010, 03:22:41 PM
Third movement (Andante un poco) of the Second Sonata BWV 1015; then the third movement (Adagio ma non tanto) of the Sonata No. 3 BWV 1016, both of them so full of, I don't know, can I say... not melancholy, but compassion for the poor, small human being?

Nope, it's compassion for Wall Street bankers. :D

Those two movements are exceptional.  As it happens, my two favorites of the Adagio come from Terakado and Manze.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Josquin des Prez on April 22, 2010, 04:13:55 PM
That's probably right, but it's one of the most balanced versions that I know. And maybe that –to play these pieces like real trio sonatas- implies to restrain a bit the prominence of the violin.

That's an interesting observation. I have to try this set.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 22, 2010, 06:20:55 PM
That's an interesting observation. I have to try this set.

It's a very interesting recording indeed, with an extra CD where Watchorn "discusses the circumstances of  Johann Sebastian Bach's tenure as Capellmeister in Cöthen, between 1717 and 1722, when the six sonatas for violin and harpsichord were composed".

You can check out some samples on the MUSICA OMNIA (http://www.musicaomnia.org/catalogue.asp) website.

And here you can hear some Watchorn's EXPLANATIONS (http://www.musicaomnia.org/beyondnotes.htm).



Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Marc on April 22, 2010, 06:24:16 PM
My old cat woke me far too early this night ....
so I listened to some Bach (yes: these six!), decided to check the forum, found this poll, and lo: decided to vote, too. :)

Goebel/Hill
Kuijken/Leonhardt
Van Dael/Van Asperen
Grumiaux/Jaccottet
Mullova/Dantone

But I only have 9 recordings of them, so ....
the other three are Fryden/ Leonhardt, Podger/Pinnock, Santos/Belder and Suk/Ruzickova (vinyl).
In these works, the latter duo took me by the hand some 24 years ago. :-*

In fact, IMO all 9 household sets have lots of strong points, with only few minor 'disappointments', if any .... I guess the music WINS!
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on April 22, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
Ehnes/Beausejour.  Along with the fine playing there's the stunning recorded sound.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Que on April 22, 2010, 10:59:11 PM
I voted:

Kuijken / Leonhardt

Malgoire / Rannou

I did a little (strictly HIPPI) survey a while ago (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1081.msg98895.html#msg98895), but it didn't include all options here.

Q
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 23, 2010, 03:39:04 AM
I voted:

Kuijken / Leonhardt

Malgoire / Rannou

These are the two I rate the highest among the five I voted for.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 23, 2010, 03:46:45 AM
Antoine and Bulldog

I understand that 24 sets aren´t enough (actually it is 25, I forgot  Lautenbacher/Galling).

Can any of you provide me with a link to the Terakado / Henstra (Denon - I suppose).
Preferably a(n) European source.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Marc on April 23, 2010, 04:04:45 AM
Antoine and Bulldog

I understand that 24 sets aren´t enough (actually it is 25, I forgot  Lautenbacher/Galling).

Can any of you provide me with a link to the Terakado / Henstra (Denon - I suppose).
Preferably a(n) European source.
24 sets aren't enough; 25 sets aren't enough.

:P

Phone me when you celebrate your first centennial.

http://www.amazon.de/Bach-Sonate-Violine-Cembalo-Tera/dp/B0000034Q8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272027650&sr=1-1
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 23, 2010, 04:20:51 AM
http://www.amazon.de/Bach-Sonate-Violine-Cembalo-Tera/dp/B0000034Q8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272027650&sr=1-1

That seems your best option; on CD JAPAN (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=COCQ-84184) US$24.16, but the sh. & h. and taxes would be more expensive. :(
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 23, 2010, 04:28:41 AM
Marc and Antoine

Thanks, the tax considerations made me order it from amazon.de (market place) cost incl postage 200 DKr.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Marc on April 23, 2010, 04:31:39 AM
That seems your best option; on CD JAPAN (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=COCQ-84184) US$24.16, but the sh. & h. and taxes would be more expensive. :(
Yeah. And the 2nd-hand options are even more interesting (if one is willing to take the 'risk').

I myself just decided to (ab)use the central Dutch library for this one. :)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Marc on April 23, 2010, 04:33:21 AM
Marc and Antoine

Thanks, the tax considerations made me order it from amazon.de (market place) cost incl postage 200 DKr.
Cheerio!
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 23, 2010, 04:36:23 AM

Suk/Ruzickova (vinyl).
In these works, the latter duo took me by the hand some 24 years ago. :-*

Is this their first recording (Supraphon ca 1962) or their second recording (Erato ca 1965).
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 23, 2010, 04:42:28 AM
Yeah. And the 2nd-hand options are even more interesting (if one is willing to take the 'risk').

I have run the risk several times during the last year, when all other possibilities were exhausted. I have been completely satisfied in every instance (5 star rating).
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Marc on April 23, 2010, 04:42:45 AM
Is this their first recording (Supraphon ca 1962) or their second recording (Erato ca 1965).
It's the Supraphon. I'm not sure if these were ever reissued on cd. I know the Erato's are (Warner/Apex?).

That'll be all for this afternoon, folks. I'm off to the centre of the city. ;)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 23, 2010, 04:48:16 AM
It's the Supraphon. I'm not sure if these were ever reissued on cd. I know the Erato's are (Warner/Apex?).

Lucky guy, - the Supraphon recording is one of the most beautiful recordings of these works ever made. I never saw it on CD and the Erato recording rereleased on CD (Apex) is just a feeble shadow of the Supraphon.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 23, 2010, 05:24:35 AM
Lucky guy, - the Supraphon recording is one of the most beautiful recordings of these works ever made. I never saw it on CD and the Erato recording rereleased on CD (Apex) is just a feeble shadow of the Supraphon.

That’s one of the physical principles that supports the entire Nature: the OOP or “never-released on CD” version is always the best.  :) I have the Elatus re-release on CD, which says: “Recorded: Eglise Evangélique Allemande, Paris, 5-10 March, 1969”.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on April 23, 2010, 06:22:57 AM
That’s one of the physical principles that supports the entire Nature: the OOP or “never-released on CD” version is always the best.  :) I have the Elatus re-release on CD, which says: “Recorded: Eglise Evangélique Allemande, Paris, 5-10 March, 1969”.

I used to own the Supraphon recording lots of years ago - acquired  it 1964 I think, but discarded it, finding it too romantic, - something I regret to day. The Erato, now on Elatus, which is a later recording (admittedly I did not check the accurate recording date), is good, but disappointing to those who knows/knew the Supraphon recording.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 27, 2010, 11:46:18 AM
The voting time period has closed, and here are your five favorite recordings:

1.  Kuijken/Leonhardt

2.  Podger/Pinnock - Blumenstock/Butt - Laredo/Gould

5.  van Dael/van Asperen - Huggett/Koopman - Holloway/Moroney - Carmignola/Marcon - Grumiaux/Jaccottet -
Ehnes/Beausejour - Malgoire/Rannou - Mullova/Dantone

Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Scarpia on April 27, 2010, 01:44:01 PM
Just checked my collection.  I don't have an apparently have never heard two of the recordings I voted for.   ???
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Marc on April 27, 2010, 01:53:33 PM
Just checked my collection.  I don't have an apparently have never heard two of the recordings I voted for.   ???
;D

This poll should be reopened!
At least there are some bronze medals at stake!
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Bulldog on April 27, 2010, 01:59:58 PM
Just checked my collection.  I don't have an apparently have never heard two of the recordings I voted for.   ???

Totally unacceptable.  You're not voting in any of my future polls. ;)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Daverz on April 27, 2010, 05:20:46 PM
I would have voted for Biondi/Allesandrini.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Scarpia on April 27, 2010, 05:38:29 PM
;D

This poll should be reopened!
At least there are some bronze medals at stake!

You can remove my vote for Holloway and for Grumiaux.   :-[
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: DarkAngel on April 28, 2010, 03:41:43 AM
I have 4-5 sets now, but this discussion has "forced" me to put the Blandine Rannou set in the buy basket, I have really enjoyed her other Bach releases
 
Much cheaper for me to buy from UK vendor, but still waiting for stuff purchased from 2-3 weeks ago delayed by volcano cloud from UK to USA......I hope this issue has been resolved by now
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 28, 2010, 01:38:21 PM
I have 4-5 sets now, but this discussion has "forced" me to put the Blandine Rannou set in the buy basket, I have really enjoyed her other Bach releases
 

DA - me too!  :o  Will probably be my 4th set - thought that 3 would be enough - hope to enjoy from the comments made in this thread -  :)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Marc on April 28, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
I have 4-5 sets now, but this discussion has "forced" me to put the Blandine Rannou set in the buy basket, I have really enjoyed her other Bach releases

DA - me too!  :o  Will probably be my 4th set - thought that 3 would be enough - hope to enjoy from the comments made in this thread -  :)
Got it today, and listened to some Van Dael/Van Asperen, Podger/Pinnock and this 'new' one, too.
On first (selected) hearing: if I could vote again, I would certainly include Malgoire/Rannou into my Top 5, instead of (probably) Grumiaux/Jaccottet.

And, if one might not like the girls' interpretation, then there's still the sound quality of this ZigZag production: SUPERB!
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on May 02, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
Do you have that Terakado/Henstra set, Don? It looks very enticing to me.

I recently (two days ago) acquired this. It is pure and rather introvert, and the acoustical and musical balance between Terakado and Henstra is good. And yes, Henstra plays the strange middle movement of the G-major Sonata a bit too pedestrian.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Antoine Marchand on May 02, 2010, 12:15:30 PM
I recently (two days ago) acquired this. It is pure and rather introvert, and the acoustical and musical balance between Terakado and Henstra is good. And yes, Henstra plays the strange middle movement of the G-major Sonata a bit too pedestrian.

"Pure" and "introvert" is rather my image about Terakado's style. Poetic at his best.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on May 03, 2010, 11:26:06 AM
"Pure" and "introvert" is rather my image about Terakado's style. Poetic at his best.

Given the recording date of the violin-harpsichord Sonatas I expected an interpretation like that, but I think he has matured and become a little more individually expressive during the last years, and his recent recording of Bach´s cello suites offers the most poetic playing I have heard from him so far, a great achievement IMO.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: hvbias on October 31, 2018, 05:31:58 PM
Anyone have suggestions for performances with piano?

I've been listening to this one recently of Erick Friedman and Bruce Prince Joseph, I believe it's the first time it is out on CD

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51T4FtNRtRL._SS500.jpg)

Friedman has a wonderful expressive, singing quality but I don't think the harpsichord is a great match with him. I didn't play my previous version Podger/Pinnock much either but do enjoy Gould/Laredo, though I think Laredo's playing could be more interesting. So this leads me to look for other piano versions. Thanks.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Mandryka on November 01, 2018, 05:35:21 AM
Anyone have suggestions for performances with piano

One which could be your cup of tea is Dautricourt/Pohjonen on a label called La Dolce Volta.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: hvbias on November 02, 2018, 08:30:48 AM
One which could be your cup of tea is Dautricourt/Pohjonen on a label called La Dolce Volta.

Thank you, I really enjoyed what I heard from 1014. Beautifully sentimental first movement and buoyant in the faster movements. The piano is such a wonderful instrument for these works :)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Irons on November 02, 2018, 09:41:52 AM
Anyone have suggestions for performances with piano?

I've been listening to this one recently of Erick Friedman and Bruce Prince Joseph, I believe it's the first time it is out on CD

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51T4FtNRtRL._SS500.jpg)

Friedman has a wonderful expressive, singing quality but I don't think the harpsichord is a great match with him. I didn't play my previous version Podger/Pinnock much either but do enjoy Gould/Laredo, though I think Laredo's playing could be more interesting. So this leads me to look for other piano versions. Thanks.

I listened to Gould/Laredo earlier this week. The three versions I own Suk/Ruzickova on both Erato and Supraphon and Oistrach/Pischner on DG are with harpsichord and I wished to hear a piano in these pieces. I agree that Gould and Laredo is not ideal but not sure if Laredo is at fault. Gould was a huge personality and not a team player who I think would overshadow any violinist.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: johnlewisgrant on November 14, 2018, 01:35:50 PM
You have five selections among the thirty-six choices.  Mine are:

Blumenstock/Butt
van Dael/van Asperen
Carmignola/Marcon
Kuijken/Leonhardt
Ronez/Kubitschek

Terakado has been mentioned.   For anyone who is inclined, I found these on soundcloud.   

https://soundcloud.com/ryo-terakado/sonata-iv-for-violin


Some of the most endearing of Bach's work, along with the Trio Sonatas (starting with the Organ versions bwv 525-30).  Hard not to find something to love in almost every interpretation.   Unlike, say, the WTC bks 1 and 2, or any of Bach's Passions, which CAN, for me at least, be completely wrecked!
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: andolink on November 15, 2018, 02:27:04 AM
Reading through this thread I was a little surprised to see no one mention the Chiara Banchini / Jörg-Andreas Bötticher  recording on the (now defunct) Zig Zag label.  These are wonderful performances in beautifully recorded sound.

I also love the Hugget/Koopman set.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: North Star on November 15, 2018, 02:38:09 AM
Reading through this thread I was a little surprised to see no one mention the Chiara Banchini / Jorg-Andreas Botticher  recording on the (now defunct) Zig Zag label.  These are wonderful performances in beautifully recorded sound.
It's my only set and I enjoy it very much indeed.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: milk on April 25, 2019, 03:01:41 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1Xi9YG9MDL._SX355_.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51MGmg8W8cL._SX355_.jpg)

Aside from Malgoire/Rannou and Blumenstock/Butt, these are two that I've found rewarding. I've been on a binge the last few days with these sonatas. It's interesting how variable the violin is, even just the baroque violin. It almost sounds like Malgoire is tuning lower except she isn't. But in terms of just timbre, Barton Pine has a superbly rich and low-ish tone. I think She and Vinikour delivery a sensitive performance. Strangely, none of these teams go for the kind of sound that Malgoire/Rannou do. Compared to Rannou, the harpsichords in other recordings seem rather muffled and the violins reverberant (on a spectrum from somewhat to very). Anyway, I think the Pine/vinakour is particularly fluid.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: SonicMan46 on December 09, 2019, 02:20:42 PM
Recent Additions - Deletions - Current Recommendations for Bach's Violin & Keyboard Sonatas?

This thread was started back in 2010 and reactivated last year after an 8-year hiatus - I'm currently going through my JS Bach collection looking for replacements and a need to cull-down the number of CDs owned (just want more storage space and fewer but excellent options). Shown below are the current 5 double-CD sets that I own (will do some comparison listening tomorrow) - the bottom image shows Don's (Bulldog) opening post from this thread - I've added current price listings on Amazon USA - SO - any thoughts on my opening bolded title to this post?  Comments appreciated - thanks.  Dave

P.S. different KB recommendations (e.g. piano, fortepiano, etc.) are fine w/ me.

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Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Mandryka on December 09, 2019, 11:32:41 PM
I think you should try some recordings with violin and organ, eg Gester and Pierot, Ensemble SDG vol. 3. If you find the old thread on Bach’s chamber music you’ll see a lot of discussion about this.

The most interesting recent release with violin and harpsichord for me is Agsteribbe. Agsteribbe with Neve and Szeryng with Walcha are the ones I seem to listen to most right now, not necessarily for any good reason.

I haven’t heard Ronez, I’ll listen to it soon, so thanks for drawing my attention to it.

Violin is like voice, you can have strong and irrational positive and negative reactions, it’s almost a sexual thing. You just have to suck everything and see.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Selig on July 31, 2021, 06:37:21 PM
This is on my potential gem radar: early HIP with Anneke Uittenbosch and Jaap Schröder, two interesting musicians

I'm guessing it never made it to CD?

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Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Selig on August 05, 2021, 11:37:31 PM
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I like Schröder's violin playing a lot, and this is a pretty good set, easier to find than Schröder/Uittenbosch

This is the first time I hear an Icelandic harpsichordist. The Icelandic wiki article on Semball/harpsichord mentions her as a pioneer (brautryðjandi)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: flywing on August 10, 2021, 05:01:01 PM
Glenn Gould & Yehudi Menuhin: BWV 1017 Allegro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boii0EA6hWo&t=229s

The first version I heard, got me really interested in Bach sonatas. Maybe it's nostalgia  :).
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: André on August 11, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Ehnes/Beausejour.  Along with the fine playing there's the stunning recorded sound.

My sentiment as well. As close to perfect bliss as could be.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: SonicMan46 on August 11, 2021, 11:51:41 AM
My sentiment as well. As close to perfect bliss as could be.

BOY - have not played these works in quite a while and still have the four sets owned earlier posting in this thread and shown below - seems like there are many personal preferences in these sonatas - Dave  8)

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Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: milk on August 11, 2021, 08:46:59 PM
I’ve said here before that the Rannou/Malgoire has a style that’s different and it has a technique I find interesting. Zenaty/Tuma almost seem to go for the same technique. It also reminds me of of what Cummings/Butterfield did with CPE Bach. It’s a kind of soft bowing.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: milk on August 11, 2021, 08:50:42 PM
Ehnes/Beausejour.  Along with the fine playing there's the stunning recorded sound.
seems to have a lot Vibrato. I guess this is half-HIP? I wonder if I’m the only one who just can’t adjust to this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Que on August 11, 2021, 10:02:30 PM
seems to have a lot Vibrato. I guess this is half-HIP? I wonder if I’m the only one who just can’t adjust to this sort of thing.

You are not the only one...  :)

BTW The field seems rather over saturated now, even in purist period performances....
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: DaveF on August 12, 2021, 12:52:23 PM
Glenn Gould & Yehudi Menuhin: BWV 1017 Allegro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boii0EA6hWo&t=229s

The first version I heard, got me really interested in Bach sonatas. Maybe it's nostalgia  :).

And you can see, as well as hear, Gould vocalising!  I first knew them from an old CBS LP set of Gould accompanying Jaime Laredo.  Not sure they'd be my first choice today, but a similarly nostalgic listen on YouTube, which seems to have them all.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: (: premont :) on August 12, 2021, 01:11:15 PM
You are not the only one...  :)


+2
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Mandryka on August 12, 2021, 07:34:37 PM


BTW The field seems rather over saturated now, even in purist period performances....

There’s still lots of scope for musicians to explore violin and organ. And performances as trio sonatas, with three instruments. But the big thing, the thing which has hardly been explored at all, is to research 18th century ideas about the emotions associated with key signatures, and use that to inform the performance. (De Neve and Agsteribbe is an example)
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Que on August 12, 2021, 10:00:07 PM
There’s still lots of scope for musicians to explore violin and organ. And performances as trio sonatas, with three instruments. But the big thing, the thing which has hardly been explored at all, is to research 18th century ideas about the emotions associated with key signatures, and use that to inform the performance. (De Neve and Agsteribbe is an example)

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Interesting, I identified the recording.
But I guess I have to listen to it, because the review below doesn't make much sense...
Slower slow movements, faster fast movements... is that all? ::) And that seems a more general trend anyway.
A Dutch review described the performances as "colourful" and and experimental, and "in your face".

https://earlymusicreview.com/j-s-bach-sonatas-for-violin-and-harpsichord/
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Mandryka on August 12, 2021, 11:08:00 PM
(https://www.etcetera-records.com/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/35/72/35721cc7-5d9f-4123-9d53-352f61ea7c9a/ktc_1596.jpg__1080x980_q85_crop_subsampling-2.jpg)

Slower slow movements, faster fast movements... is that all? ::)

No of course not! Shayegh/Halubek have also tried to take some guidance from ideas about key signature and affect.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: milk on August 13, 2021, 03:26:45 AM
There’s still lots of scope for musicians to explore violin and organ. And performances as trio sonatas, with three instruments. But the big thing, the thing which has hardly been explored at all, is to research 18th century ideas about the emotions associated with key signatures, and use that to inform the performance. (De Neve and Agsteribbe is an example)
I have a fear I’m going to end up asking the same questions and forgetting the answers as I get older. Like, I’m just going to end up in some kind of loop. Now, have there been recordings with organ for these works? Or was the the gamba sonatas? It’s also a problem of streaming that I forget what I’ve heard and liked. I know I’ve heard something well done with organ.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Selig on August 13, 2021, 03:48:12 AM
Now, have there been recordings with organ for these works? Or was the the gamba sonatas? It’s also a problem of streaming that I forget what I’ve heard and liked. I know I’ve heard something well done with organ.

Gester/Pierot and Nordstoga/Lotsberg, with the former being higher up the HIP scale

and for BWV 1027-1029 there's van Asperen/Bylsma, Boccaccio/Montero, maybe more
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: milk on August 13, 2021, 04:02:25 AM
Gester/Pierot and Nordstoga/Lotsberg, with the former being higher up the HIP scale

and for BWV 1027-1029 there's van Asperen/Bylsma, Boccaccio/Montero, maybe more
ok. I was thinking of the Boccaccio.
How does the violin work fare with organ accompaniment? I’ll try to locate it for streaming.
ETA: couldn’t find it but what’s this Edouard & Eichelberger? It’s hard to get used the reverberation though. I feel like I’m at the back of the church.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Selig on August 13, 2021, 05:03:59 AM
Edouard & Eichelberger.

Didn't know it existed!

I think Gester/Pierot would be more to your taste - it's on Primephonic if you have that (there's a free trial) https://play.primephonic.com/album/00028947694861

It can be sampled on Spotify due to four of the tracks being included on those made-for-streaming compilations ("Summer Nights" and "Bach for a Spring Day" - I wonder if these are AI-generated - talk about oversaturation!)
https://open.spotify.com/album/4Q3x7ytp4aG8m62zlNvwVm?si=YFUxRrJuQUaK7WW91BYAVw&dl_branch=1

I don't know what arguments could be made for organ over harpsichord, personally I just think it's refreshing, texturally, to hear a different combination of instruments.
Title: Re: Your Favorite Recordings of Bach's 6 Sonatas for Violin and keyboard
Post by: Mandryka on August 13, 2021, 10:38:06 AM
I have a fear I’m going to end up asking the same questions and forgetting the answers as I get older. Like, I’m just going to end up in some kind of loop. Now, have there been recordings with organ for these works? Or was the the gamba sonatas? It’s also a problem of streaming that I forget what I’ve heard and liked. I know I’ve heard something well done with organ.

Apart from the ones mentioned there's Ensemble SDG. There's a very extended discussion with me and Premont somewhere -- the Bach Chamber Music thread maybe.

Here, found it

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,1081.340.html