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Title: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 08, 2013, 03:37:15 PM
Per demand for that 'extra' one  :D, your 11 favourite sacred works.  Could be songs, requiems, masses, oratorios, you name it....
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 03:54:57 PM
Yay! :D In no particular order and off the top of my head:

Schmidt: The Book with the Seven Seals
Vaughan Williams: Sancta Civitas
Suter: Le Laudi di San Francesco d'Assisi Poulenc: Gloria
Howells: Hymnus Paradisi
Berlioz: Requiem
Durufle: Requiem
Dvorak: Requiem Janacek: Glagolitic Mass
Tobias: Das Jonas Sendung
Bloch: Sacred Service
Kreek: Estonian Requiem Szymanowski: Stabat Mater
Schmitt: Psalm 47
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 03:59:33 PM
Oops....gotta throw Szymanowski's Stabat Mater in there somewhere.....guess it'll have to replace Kreek's Estonian Requiem. :-\
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 08, 2013, 04:04:16 PM
In no particular order (except for the first three):

1 - Berlioz - Requiem

2 - Mozart - Great Mass in C minor

3 - Bruckner - Mass in F minor


4 - Stravinsky - Symphony of Psalms

5 - Penderecki - St. Luke Passion

6 - Verdi - Requiem

7 - Brahms - Ein Deutsches Requiem

8 - Mozart - Requiem

9 - Rachmaninov - Vespers

10 - Haydn - Seven Last Words.....(does the string quartet version count?)  It's my poll, so yes!  ;D

11 - Tchaikovsky - Liturgy of St John Chrysostom
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Brian on October 08, 2013, 04:18:57 PM
1. Janacek: Glagolitic Mass
2. Dvorak: Te Deum
3. Berlioz: Te Deum


Hrm, I only needed three.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
1. Janacek: Glagolitic Mass

Damn it! I keep forgetting the Eastern Europeans! ::) I guess the Dvorak is out.....
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 08, 2013, 04:38:19 PM
Damn it! I keep forgetting the Eastern Europeans! ::) I guess the Dvorak is out.....

 ;D

But you took out an Eastern European for another?  By the time 10 more posters come over, your list will look like a doodling pad.  :D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 04:39:45 PM
;D

But you took out an Eastern European for another?  By the time 10 more posters come over, your list will look like a doodling pad.  :D

 :P

Once everyone has posted, then I'll post my (hopefully) final version. :D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Sammy on October 08, 2013, 05:51:49 PM
Bach - Mass in B minor
Bach - St. Matthew Passion
Mozart - Requiem
Mozart - Mass in C minor
Haydn - The Creation
Haydn - The Seasons
Berlioz - Requiem
Brahms - Requiem
Dvorak - Stabat Mater
Handel - Messiah
Handel - Acis and Galatea
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 08, 2013, 06:30:51 PM
Durufle Requiem
Stravinsky Symphony of Psalms
Poulenc Gloria
Poulenc Mass in G
Faure Requiem
Mozart Requiem
Bach B Minor Mass
Bach St. Matthew Passion
Brahms German Requiem

Can't think of 11; the Durufle is far and away my favorite.

Very nice list, SA. I would definitely include Poulenc in mine, especially the Mass, although I'd go for the Stabat Mater before Gloria, but not because I don't enjoy Gloria.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Brian on October 08, 2013, 06:47:18 PM
Durufle Requiem
Faure Requiem

I'm planning on listening to these and some Poulenc works tomorrow. What instrumentations/versions are your favorites here?

So far Poulenc's "Gloria" is the only work I want to add to my way-too-short list. Maaaybe Verdi's Requiem.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 06:53:42 PM
Poulenc's "Gloria"

Aaaaargh! Another glaring omission from my list! I guess the Suter will have to go!
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
On the topic of sacred works, I wonder what Atterberg's Requiem is like and why it hasn't yet been recorded.....
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Brian on October 08, 2013, 06:58:13 PM
On the topic of sacred works, I wonder what Atterberg's Requiem is like and why it hasn't yet been recorded.....

This reminds me that I also need to listen to Franz von Suppe's Requiem. Between that, Durufle, Faure, and Poulenc, tomorrow's playlist is set!
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 06:58:33 PM
Just remembered Lili Boulanger's beautiful Psalm 24. Geez, this is agonizing! ;D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 08, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
I like the chamber and full orchestra versions of the Faure and Durufle Requiems equally. Both offer entirely valid perspectives on the music. Some days I'll prefer the chamber version and others I'll prefer the full. :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Mirror Image on October 08, 2013, 07:17:19 PM
Per demand for that 'extra' one  :D, your 11 favourite sacred works.  Could be songs, requiems, masses, oratorios, you name it....

Hmmm...11...eh? That's an odd number, Ray. :) Anyway...mine would look like this (in no particular order):

Szymanowski: Stabat Mater
Martin: Golgotha
Janacek: Glagolitic Mass
Poulenc: Stabat Mater
Durufle: Requiem
Berlioz: Requiem
Schnittke: Requiem
Milhaud: Sacred Service
Bloch: Sacred Service
Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms
Pärt: Te Deum
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Todd on October 08, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Bach – B Minor Mass
Faure – Requiem
Janacek – Glagolitic Mass
Haydn – The Creation
Haydn – Nelson Mass
Morales – Officium Defunctorum
Morales – Requiem
Morales – Missa Pro Defunctis
Mozart – Requiem
Szymanowski – Stabat Mater
Beethoven – Mass in C
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: The new erato on October 08, 2013, 10:29:13 PM
Bach - Mass in B minor
Bach - St. Matthew Passion
Mozart - Requiem
Mozart - Mass in C minor
Haydn - The Creation
Haydn - The Seasons
Berlioz - Requiem
Brahms - Requiem
Dvorak - Stabat Mater
Handel - Messiah
Handel - Acis and Galatea
Sorry Sammy, the Seasons isn't sacred.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: North Star on October 08, 2013, 10:33:32 PM
Bach - Mass in B minor
Bach - St. Matthew Passion
Berlioz – Requiem
Britten - War Requiem
Fauré – Requiem
Janacek – Glagolitic
Mozart - Requiem
Mozart - Mass in C minor
Rakhmaninov – All-night Vigil
Stravinsky - Symphony of Psalms
Zelenka – Missa Votiva
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 09, 2013, 04:02:36 AM
Havergal Brian Gothic Symphony (part two is a setting of the Te Deum)
Tallis Spem in alium
Allegri Miserere
Haydn Missa in tempore belli (Mass in Time of War)
Beethoven Missa solemnis
Bruckner Te Deum
Berlioz Requiem
Verdi Requiem
Bach Cantata #80 Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott
Handel Messiah
Elgar The Dream of Gerontius


Sarge
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 09, 2013, 04:06:20 AM
Just remembered Lili Boulanger's beautiful Psalm 24. Geez, this is agonizing! ;D

 :D

Back to the drawing board.  You may as well do a complete revision of your list, Kyle.   ;D

*You must resist the temptation to list a next 11 list*  >:D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 09, 2013, 04:07:28 AM
Sorry Sammy, the Seasons isn't sacred.

 ;D  Why not?

I felt like putting Bach's Six Cello Suites on my list.  They are sacred to me.  :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: North Star on October 09, 2013, 04:13:08 AM
;D  Why not?

I felt like putting Bach's Six Cello Suites on my list.  They are sacred to me.  :)

And so they are to me, too - as are Cunning Little Vixen, From the House of the Dead, and Wozzeck 8)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 09, 2013, 04:19:15 AM
    Allegri - Miserere
    Bach - Mass in B minor
    Beethoven - Missa Solemnis
    Brahms - Ein Deutsches Requiem
    Faure - Requiem
    Gorecki - Totus Tuus
    Handel - Messiah
    Monteverdi - Vespers della Beata Vergine 1610
    Mozart - Requiem
    Rachmaninov - Vespers
    Verdi - Requiem

     :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 09, 2013, 04:30:28 AM
Tough to keep such a list to 11 . . . in no particular order:

Rakhmaninov, Всенощное бдѣніе, Op.37
de Victoria, Misa « O magnum mysterium »
di Lasso, Tristis est anima mea
Brahms, Ein deutsches Requiem, Op.45
Berlioz, Grande Messe des morts, Op.5
Stravinsky, Symphony of Psalms
Haydn, Missa in Angustiis
Mozart, Ave verum corpus
Moody, Passion and Resurrection
Messiaen, Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum
Ippolitov-Ivanov, Bless the Lord, O my Soul Op.37 No.2


http://www.youtube.com/v/svki8H3nBIE
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 09, 2013, 04:35:34 AM
di Lasso, Tristis est anima mea

http://www.youtube.com/v/v9TYm4d5dNs
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Drasko on October 09, 2013, 04:36:42 AM
so difficult

Liturgy of St.John Chrysostom - Ioannis Koukouzelis et al
Messe de Notre-Dame - Guilleme de Machaut
Missa L'homme arme - Antoine Busnois
Missa Pangue lingua - Josquin Desprez
Missa Hercule Dux Ferrariae - Josquin Desprez
Miserere - Josquin Desprez
Vespro della Beata Vergine - Claudio Monteverdi
Miserere - Jean Baptiste Lully
Te Deum - Michel-Richard Delalande
Requiem - W.A.Mozart
Requiem - Giuseppe Verdi
All-night Vigil - Sergei Rachmaninov
Motets pour le temps de penitence - Francis Poulenc
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: DavidW on October 09, 2013, 04:40:10 AM
Bach: Mass in B Minor
Bach: St Matthew Passion
Bach: St John Passion
Bach: Christmas Oratorio
Bach: Easter Oratorio
Bach: Magnificat
Bach: Cantata BWV 140
Bach: Cantata BWV 82
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Handel: Messiah
Mozart: Requiem

I guess I have a problem! ;D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 09, 2013, 04:41:21 AM
Well, but Bach is a great problem to have  0:)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 09, 2013, 04:42:22 AM
Bach: Mass in B Minor
Bach: St Matthew Passion
Bach: St John Passion
Bach: Christmas Oratorio
Bach: Easter Oratorio
Bach: Magnificat
Bach: Cantata BWV 140
Bach: Cantata BWV 82
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Handel: Messiah
Mozart: Requiem

I guess I have a problem! ;D

There is no problem here.  ;)  Actually, I expected someone to come up with a list of 11 Bach Cantatas by now.  :D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: North Star on October 09, 2013, 04:44:50 AM
Messiaen, Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum
Yes! Forgot about this one.  :o
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 09, 2013, 05:04:15 AM
Would have liked to have included Part I of Mahler 8, but seeing as we are after complete works then Veni Creator Spiritus, however beautiful...must yield  >:(

Would you consider the Faust Part II sacred/religious...
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Todd on October 09, 2013, 06:34:02 AM
Ippolitov-Ivanov, Bless the Lord, O my Soul Op.37 No.2[/b]



Quite nice.  Needed to hear some more from II.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 09, 2013, 06:59:37 AM
Would have liked to have included Part I of Mahler 8, but seeing as we are after complete works....

That didn't stop me listing the Gothic  8)

Sarge
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: springrite on October 09, 2013, 07:05:07 AM
Aaaaargh! Another glaring omission from my list! I guess the Suter will have to go!

The Top 12 Kyjo Omission List
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Sammy on October 09, 2013, 07:54:56 AM
Sorry Sammy, the Seasons isn't sacred.

Choral or sacred - it's all the same to me.  However, I do recognize my technical error.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: springrite on October 09, 2013, 09:20:07 AM
4:33

It is definitely a sacred work, whether he intended it that way or not.

Then:

Ligeti Requiem
Pfitzner: Palestrina
Machaut: Messe de Notre Dame
Brahms: German Requiem
Faure: Requiem
Durufle: Requiem
Schmidt: Book of the Seven Seals
Bach: St. Mathew's Passion
Bach: Mass in b
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 09, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
Schmidt: Book of the Seven Seals

Glad I'm not alone in liking this one!
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 09, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
Howells' Hymnus Paradisi is a most moving work, recalling VW in its depth of utterance and beauty: http://youtu.be/at-yv-BQAeA
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 09, 2013, 03:59:36 PM
You know, it never occurred to me before how pointlessly running Cage down really lends authority to your fandom of Stockhausen and Boulez. You really sound like you know what you're talking about. Never lose that facile sneer.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: vandermolen on October 13, 2013, 10:30:46 AM
Howells: Hymnus Paradisi
Vaughan Williams: Sancta Civitas
Durufle: Requiem
Bloch: Sacred Service
Rosenberg: Symphony 4
Britten:Cantata Misericordium
Janacek: Glagolitic Mass
Holst: Hymn of Jesus
Vaughan Williams: Fantasia on the Old 104th
Vaughan Williams: Song of Thanksgiving
Foulds: A World Requiem.

Not sure if all of these count as 'sacred'
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 13, 2013, 10:32:36 AM
Would have liked to have included Part I of Mahler 8, but seeing as we are after complete works then Veni Creator Spiritus, however beautiful...must yield  >:(

Would you consider the Faust Part II sacred/religious...



Tony, Yes....toss ot in.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 13, 2013, 10:37:48 AM
I was surprised that so many posts went by before the Missa Solemnis got a mention.

Beethoven Missa Solemnis
Monteverdi Vespers 1610
Bach St Matthew
Bach B minor Mass
Bach BWV 189 Vergnute Rue
Bruckner Moters
Elgar Gerontius
Britten War Requiem
Berloz Te Deum
Handel Theodora
Rachmaninov Vespers

Mike


Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Mirror Image on October 13, 2013, 10:44:28 AM
I was surprised that so many posts went by before the Missa Solemnis got a mention.

Beethoven Missa Solemnis
Monteverdi Vespers 1610
Bach St Matthew
Bach B minor Mass
Bach BWV 189 Vergnute Rue
Bruckner Moters
Elgar Gerontius
Britten War Requiem
Berloz Te Deum
Handel Theodora
Rachmaninov Vespers

Mike

Britten's War Requiem is a non-liturgical work, Mike.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 13, 2013, 11:10:11 AM
Yes, though often performed in churches and it was either that or me entirely breaking the rules by sticking Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex in, which is sacred in an atavistic way.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: DavidW on October 13, 2013, 11:38:01 AM
I was surprised that so many posts went by before the Missa Solemnis got a mention.

No kidding!  It wasn't even on the first page! :o  Well I'm not surprised I know that there are plenty of posters that do not admire it.  And also we have to wade through the posts from the modernites first.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 13, 2013, 01:37:37 PM
Yes, I noted the utter obscurity of a number of favoured works. I guess ennui sets in with the masterpieces.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 13, 2013, 01:56:20 PM
Yes, I noted the utter obscurity of a number of favoured works. I guess ennui sets in with the masterpieces.

Mike

Not everyone favors the tried and true masterpieces, Mike. Some people, like myself, have discovered that music that has fallen into obscurity hold just as much or more appeal for us.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2013, 03:58:35 PM
Out of my head:

Bach, both Passions
Tobias, Des Jonah Sendung
Holst, The Hymn of Jesus
Vaughan Williams, Sancta Civitas
Janáček, Mša glagolskaja
Stravinsky, Symphonie des psaumes
Howells, Hymnus Paradisi
Schmidt, Das Buch mit den sieben Siegeln
Durufle, Requiem
Britten, War Requiem
Pärt, Kanon Pokajanen
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 13, 2013, 04:03:58 PM
Tobias, Des Jonah Sendung
Vaughan Williams, Sancta Civitas
Howells, Hymnus Paradisi
Schmidt, Das Buch mit den sieben Siegeln

Nice to see more votes for these! The Tobias was an amazing discovery for me-a deeply stirring work which is an undoubted masterpiece.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2013, 04:05:08 PM
Yay! :D In no particular order and off the top of my head:

Schmidt: The Book with the Seven Seals
Vaughan Williams: Sancta Civitas
Suter: Le Laudi di San Francesco d'Assisi Poulenc: Gloria
Howells: Hymnus Paradisi
Berlioz: Requiem
Durufle: Requiem
Dvorak: Requiem Janacek: Glagolitic Mass
Tobias: Das Jonas Sendung
Bloch: Sacred Service
Kreek: Estonian Requiem Szymanowski: Stabat Mater
Schmitt: Psalm 47

Oops, almost all (don't now the Berlioz) my choices, too! How could I forget Szymanowski's Stabat Mater!   :(
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
The Tobias was an amazing discovery for me-a deeply stirring work which is an undoubted masterpiece.

Again, my words too.   :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 13, 2013, 04:12:59 PM
Oops, almost all (don't now the Berlioz) my choices, too! How could I forget Szymanowski's Stabat Mater!   :(

Poor Szymanowski! Everyone keeps forgetting about him! :D Rather surprised you don't know the Berlioz, Johan.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2013, 04:18:33 PM
Poor Szymanowski! Everyone keeps forgetting about him! :D Rather surprised you don't know the Berlioz, Johan.

No musical upbringing whatsoever and completely illiterate, I just play what I encounter (and missed many classics; never played Brahms' Ein deutsches Requiem either). N :-X
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: mc ukrneal on October 13, 2013, 04:41:08 PM
Glad to see this thread reopened - it is an area I would like to hear more of and there are some good suggestions here. I'd have to say:
Faure: Requiem
Brahms: Requiem
Verdi: Requiem
Mozart: Requiem
Mozart: Mass in C minor
Cornelius: Requiem
Bruckner: Mass in D minor
Rossini: Petite Messe Solemnelle

That leaves me two more, but I will need to think about those. Could be Lobo, Stanford, Victoria, Dvorak, Monteverdi, etc. In any case, these 8 are in for sure.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 13, 2013, 04:46:01 PM
No musical upbringing whatsoever and completely illiterate, I just play what I encounter (and missed many classics; never played Brahms' Ein deutsches Requiem either). N :-X

That's OK, Johan. At least you're different! :) Anyone who has a passion for little-known music is A-OK in my book! As for Ein Deutsches Requiem, you're not missing out on much IMO. I find it quite turgid and boring. *runs for cover* ;D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 13, 2013, 04:58:17 PM
It took me a while to compile this list as I could only pick using two criteria...

1) Only sacred works composed by Richard Strauss (fortunately for every other composer, I couldn't find any to add, but I would have believe me)  ;D
2) Only choose pieces so obscure that nobody has ever heard of them. The problem I ran into is that I'd had never heard those works either.  :o  :)

So I decided on these 11 that I find really touch my soul.

Josquin des Prez: Missa La sol fa re mi
Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
Monteverdi: Vespro della Beata Vergine 1610
Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber: Requiem in F minor
Hector Berlioz: Grande Messe des morts, Op. 5
Elgar: The Dream of Gerontius
Poulenc: Stabat Mater
Schnittke: Requiem
Britten: War Requiem
Henryk Górecki: Miserere
Zbigniew Preisner: Requiem for my Friend

A few that are right on the doorstep are Faure's Requiem and Haydn's Seven Last Words of Christ.

Edit: Forgot to add smiley faces so you know I'm just kidding with you all.  8)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 13, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
It took me a while to compile this list as I could only pick using two criteria...

1) Only sacred works composed by Richard Strauss (fortunately for every other composer, I couldn't find any to add, but I would have believe me)  ;D
2) Only choose pieces so obscure that nobody has ever heard of them. The problem I ran into is that I'd had never heard those works either.  :o  :)



I think that by stretching a point I can help you. Richard Strauss: Deutche Motette Op62. Not liturgical but bordering philosophy and belief. If you like Tallis 40 part motet, imagine it reworked using Strauss harmonics. It is probably the most complex piece of its kind. Terrifically beautiful and could even catch the ear of the career obscurists here.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 13, 2013, 09:53:30 PM
No musical upbringing whatsoever and completely illiterate, I just play what I encounter (and missed many classics; never played Brahms' Ein deutsches Requiem either). N :-X

The Brahms is a marvelous piece. It also breaks liturgical tradition and instead used bible text that Brahms felt more apt. It is very powerful and moving. Give it a try.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: amw on October 13, 2013, 10:28:52 PM
Off the top of my head -

Bach - Mass in B minor
Bach - St Matthew Passion
Beethoven - Missa Solemnis
Schubert - Mass in E flat
Byrd - Mass for five voices
Mozart - Requiem
Zelenka - Requiem in c minor (ZWV 48?)
Ferneyhough - Missa brevis
Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles (if I had to pick favourites, this one would arm-wrestle the B minor mass and Missa Solemnis for the top spot)
Stravinsky - Threni
Ligeti - Requiem

I'm boring :\

So here's a much less boring list! I haven't heard any of these pieces, but they do seem pretty obscure ;)

James A. Butterfield - Belshazzar
Antonio Zachara da Teramo - Credo
Johannes Verhulst - Mass in E major, Op. 50
Joseph Schnabel - Mass No. 4
Andreas Hofer - Missa Archi Episcopalis à 19
Cécile Chaminade - Messe pour deux voix égales, Op. 167
Johann Gustav Eduard Stehle - Missa Solemnis No. 4, Op. 67
Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I - Requiem
Andreas Johann Lorenz Oechsner - Stabat Mater, Op. 35
Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach - Die Auferweckung Lazarus
Charles Villiers Stanford - The Three Holy Children, Op. 22

There we go. Much better ;)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: DaveF on October 13, 2013, 11:29:31 PM
I can probably do most of this without leaving Tudor England:

Browne: Stabat mater
Fayrfax: Eterne laudis lilium
Tallis: Spem, spem, spem, spem, onions and spem
Mundy: Vox patris cælestis
Byrd: The Great Service; Plorans plorabit
Gibbons: Almighty and everlasting God (small but perfect)
Monteverdi: Vespers
Bach: Singet dem Herrn
Berlioz: Te Deum
Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms

I think that by stretching a point I can help you. Richard Strauss: Deutche Motette Op62. Not liturgical but bordering philosophy and belief. If you like Tallis 40 part motet, imagine it reworked using Strauss harmonics.

That's one of the most intriguingly-baited hooks I've come across recently.  I'll certainly have a listen.  And as far as the liturgy is concerned, hardly any of the works mentioned in this thread is liturgical.  Only three of mine are, for example (I don't imagine Berlioz intended the Te Deum for Mattins).

DF
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Fafner on October 14, 2013, 12:43:35 AM
Okay, I do not listen to sacred works much, but these are my favourites:

Mozart - Requiem
Verdi - Requiem
Handel - Messiah
Janáček - Glagolitic Mass
Dvořák - Requiem
Dvořák - Biblical songs
Bach - Mass in B minor
Rossini - Stabat Mater
Beethoven - Missa solemnis
Britten - War Requiem
The Plastic People of the Universe - Passion Play
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 14, 2013, 01:48:47 AM
I think that by stretching a point I can help you. Richard Strauss: Deutche Motette Op62. Not liturgical but bordering philosophy and belief. If you like Tallis 40 part motet, imagine it reworked using Strauss harmonics. It is probably the most complex piece of its kind. Terrifically beautiful and could even catch the ear of the career obscurists here.

Mike

 :)
20 years with Richard Strauss and still have new pieces to explore of his, I love classical music. Big thank you, Mike, for the suggestion, it will be in my possession before the day has ended, hopefully.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 14, 2013, 03:48:00 AM
My pleasure for both of you who it may have hooked. Do let me know how you get along with it. heady stuff with a soprano soloist arcing across the top of it.....enjoy.

I am encouraged by the number of people who mention the Berlioz Te Deum. It really sweeps along. I have been lucky to sing in it several times, it feels like flying. Interesting that Berlioz in his Grande Messe and Verdi in his Requiem, (both unbelievers), provide the most awe inspiring Tuba Mirum movements, like musical Hieronymus Bosch.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 15, 2013, 04:02:56 AM
I think that by stretching a point I can help you. Richard Strauss: Deutche Motette Op62.

Thanks for mentioning this, Mike, heretofore it was completely off my radar.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 15, 2013, 04:04:55 AM
Yes, I noted the utter obscurity of a number of favoured works. I guess ennui sets in with the masterpieces.

It's complicated (in my case). I am happy to say that no ennui has set in with the Op.123. But I blush to say that I have seldom listened to it . . . .

Well, I guess that wasn't really all that complicated! Ain't-a that good news!?
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Cato on October 15, 2013, 04:55:28 AM
One of my recent discoveries, mentioned several times in the past weeks: Franz von Suppe's Requiem.

And from my childhood: Cesar Franck's Psalm 150 and Panis Angelicus.

Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 15, 2013, 05:14:21 AM
One of my recent discoveries, mentioned several times in the past weeks: Franz von Suppe's Requiem.

Thanks for the reminder!

And also of the Franck Panis Angelicus, which I just hadn't thought of in a long while . . . .
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 15, 2013, 06:49:14 AM
I enjoyed this exercise more than any of the other lists from GMG mainly because 1) sacred choral works have been among my favorite genres for a long times and 2) it caused me to really evaluate how much I loved a piece as opposed to respecting it. 

Very happy to hear that.  I'm also very pleased with the extensive amount of participation in this thread.  Now there are many, many sacred works to look forward to exploring in the future!  :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 15, 2013, 10:58:44 AM
Very happy to hear that.  I'm also very pleased with the extensive amount of participation in this thread.  Now there are many, many sacred works to look forward to exploring in the future!  :)

Yes, definitely check out the lesser-known works on mine and others' lists when you have time, Ray, especially the Howells and Tobias works. :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 15, 2013, 12:22:25 PM
I really am keen to know how people find the Strauss.

Vivaldi Stabat Mater
Pergolesi Stabat Mater
Rossini Stabat Mater
Verdi Stabat Mater
Pendereski Stabat Mater
Part Stabat Mater
Szymanowski Stabat Mater

Actually, I would drop the Rossini, but the rest are special I feel and most have not had a mention.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 15, 2013, 01:07:20 PM
I really am keen to know how people find the Strauss.

As usual with Strauss: Zzzzzzzzzzzz......... :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Christo on October 15, 2013, 01:54:30 PM
*runs for cover*

Who's Brahms, BTW?
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: DavidW on October 15, 2013, 01:59:52 PM
As usual with Strauss: Zzzzzzzzzzzz......... :)

Not to be rude, but he wasn't talking to you.  As is clear from the context, Knight wants to know how Dave and Greg respond to a specific work of Strauss that they have not heard before.  Please don't troll it's unbecoming.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 15, 2013, 02:02:23 PM
Not to be rude, but he wasn't talking to you.  As is clear from the context, Knight wants to know how Dave and Greg respond to a specific work of Strauss that they have not heard before.  Please don't troll it's unbecoming.

Can't decide whether to tell you to lighten up or to apologize for "trolling" (as you define it).........
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 15, 2013, 02:05:15 PM
Who's Brahms, BTW?

A very fine composer but one I could do without. :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: DavidW on October 15, 2013, 02:07:13 PM
Can't decide whether to tell you to lighten up or to apologize for "trolling" (as you define it).........

The latter because the former implies that you were joking, but you were not.  You were trying to dominate the conversation even when it doesn't involve you, and you were frankly being rude.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on October 15, 2013, 02:10:39 PM
The latter because the former implies that you were joking, but you were not.  You were trying to dominate the conversation even when it doesn't involve you, and you were frankly being rude.

Well, of course the latter. ::) You just don't want to accept the fact that you're making mountains out of molehills.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: DavidW on October 15, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
Well, of course the latter. ::) You just don't want to accept the fact that you're making mountains out of molehills.

You have 19 posts on this thread, this is just for a thread involving music you don't even care about.  On threads involving something like 20th century orchestral music it's hard for anyone to even get a word in.  I just think you need to slow down.  I enjoy your enthusiasm for modern music, but you are wearing out my page down key having to scroll through incessant posts about esoteric modern composers that few care about.  I like reading your thoughts on composers that I care about, but I'm getting to the point where I might have to add you to my ignore list just because I need to filter out your vast quantity of posts.

I think that insulting people just to get their attention is not cool.  But this is part of the bigger issue that by always trying to grab our attention, you inadvertently push some of us away.  Please don't be insulted, but it's not a molehill.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 15, 2013, 02:27:53 PM
Well, if you have not heard it kyjo, I am surprised you would be so firm about it and wonder if others would give credence to your opinion.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Sammy on October 15, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
A very fine composer but one I could do without. :)

You're so smug about this.  You express a "who cares" attitude about Brahms, Strauss and a host of other famous composers.  At the same time, you praise dozens of obscure composers and works that deserve their obscurity.  Personally, I put no faith in your extreme opinions on these matters.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 15, 2013, 03:37:13 PM
I really am keen to know how people find the Strauss.

Mike

I'm struggling to decide if I should just purchase the Amazon MP3 of the Accentus disc for $4 so I can listen to it tonight, or just go ahead and order the disc. Considering how much Struass' music means to me I really should have a hard copy in my collection.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 15, 2013, 09:49:07 PM
I'm struggling to decide if I should just purchase the Amazon MP3 of the Accentus disc for $4 so I can listen to it tonight, or just go ahead and order the disc. Considering how much Struass' music means to me I really should have a hard copy in my collection.

That is certainly the version I recommend. There was a new one very recently that has very young voices and was reviewed kindly rather than enthusiastically. The Accentus disc is virtuosic.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 16, 2013, 02:12:20 AM
Thanks, gents!
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 16, 2013, 02:28:24 AM
One of my recent discoveries, mentioned several times in the past weeks: Franz von Suppe's Requiem.

Now this does sound interesting, Suppe does Requiem!  I don't or rather haven't listened to much Suppe over the years as through my ignorance I've got him down totally typecasted as a half time Superbowl composer....oh, the shame on me.  All those years of listening to Alan Keith on the BBC's Your Hundred Best Tunes....(great show but Keith=Suppe=Marches)...

This is one I feel I must investigate  :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 16, 2013, 02:59:20 AM
Terribly unfair, Tonyvon Suppé's music has not been played at a football game since that notorious Yale VS. Rutgers contest of 1907!
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 16, 2013, 03:25:46 AM
Terribly unfair, Tonyvon Suppé's music has not been played at a football game since that notorious Yale VS. Rutgers contest of 1907!

 :D

Have you heard his Requiem Karl?  I hadn't heard of it until a couple of days ago.  Definately going to buy a copy but there's not much choice out there; Amazon UK looks restricted to 6 versions one looks like vinyl so that's a no go since my amp with the phono stage packed in last year.  I have appx 300 vinyls so the outlay on a phono amp isn't worth it...but I do like to look at them...sadly.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 16, 2013, 03:34:25 AM
:D

Have you heard his Requiem Karl?

Not yet. Tony, but I Cato has my interested piqued . . . and the late surge in the topic has me thinking that it is time.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Cato on October 16, 2013, 03:46:23 AM
:D

Have you heard his Requiem Karl?  I hadn't heard of it until a couple of days ago.  Definitely going to buy a copy but there's not much choice out there

This is the one I bought and am more than satisfied: the notes mention Brahms praising von Suppe's sacred music most highly, so that should be the ultimate recommendation!



I also mentioned the Psalm 150 by Cesar Franck, a work often sung by the parish choir when I was a child, and a marvelous little piece.

Unfortunately, there are few recordings of this available...at least via Amazon.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: OrchestralNut on October 16, 2013, 04:11:41 AM
All this talk of von Suppe makes me miss Mr. Operetta himself, Harry Tchaikovsky.  :(
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 17, 2013, 05:08:02 PM

Josquin des Prez: Missa La sol fa re mi
Thomas Tallis: Spem in alium
Monteverdi: Vespro della Beata Vergine 1610
Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber: Requiem in F minor
Hector Berlioz: Grande Messe des morts, Op. 5
Berlioz: L'Enfance Du Christ
Elgar: The Dream of Gerontius
Poulenc: Stabat Mater
Britten: War Requiem
Henryk Górecki: Miserere
Zbigniew Preisner: Requiem for my Friend


I just realized I made a HUGE omission here, I must add Berlioz: L'Enfance Du Christ to my list. The Flight to Egypt overture, the trio movement for flutes and harp, and the final tranquil moments between the tenor and choir. This is pure beauty.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 17, 2013, 10:29:54 PM
Scrolling, My eye caught 'Josquin des Prez' and a shiver ran down my back......then I realised it was the composer! As you were folks.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: DaveF on October 18, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
My pleasure for both of you who [Strauss's Deutsche Motette] may have hooked. Do let me know how you get along with it. heady stuff with a soprano soloist arcing across the top of it.....enjoy.

I am encouraged by the number of people who mention the Berlioz Te Deum. It really sweeps along. I have been lucky to sing in it several times, it feels like flying.

I think I made a wrong listening choice with the Strauss first time - a group called The Esoterics - so wasn't overly impressed, despite its obviously being full of gorgeous Strauss-isms.  Then heard the Danish Radio Choir under Stefan Parkman, also on Spotify, and it sounded like a completely different piece.  Despite taking almost two minutes less than The Esoterics, the Danes manage to sound relaxed where The Esoterics sound frantic - and I'm not even sure they're singing the right notes in some of the denser bits, which sound more like [fill in avant-garde composer of your choice - I'm not sticking my head over the sandbags] than Strauss.  The fugue particularly came like a slap in the face, whereas Parkman makes it flow naturally out of what has preceded.

As to the piece itself, I didn't hear much Spem in alium in it - at least no more than any large multi-part vocal piece has a particular generic sound.  Pure Strauss, in fact - Metamorphosen for voices, almost.  A small disappointment was down entirely to my shaky German grammar - I'd thought that Motette was plural, so expected more than one of them... Altogether dangerously seductive - I must go and listen to some plainchant now to sober up.

I've sung the Berlioz a couple of times too - Bass I on both occasions, and I appreciate the "flying" description, especially of the 8-part choruses (Tu Christe Rex gloriæ for example), where all sorts of different layers are moving at different speeds.  And are those Sanctuses in the Tibi omnes the most beautiful thing ever, or what?  The heavenly choirs can sing them in the unlikely event of my ever getting there - after some Byrd, of course.

DF
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 18, 2013, 08:07:24 AM
Dave, Thanks so much for getting back. I hope you will go back to the piece, I found it a slow burner, then.....suddenly on about the third hearing, i began to get it. I agree it does not sound like Tallis, but it has the density of texture and the full score is about as large....i saw it, I did not read it.

I would love to have another bash at the Berlioz, it is a favourite of mine and within that fast exciting ride I experienced something very rare for me, a feeling that nothing could go wrong, like being locked securely into that flight, a kind of ecstasy which I only ever experienced about four times in all the years I sang.

Mike 
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 18, 2013, 10:11:26 AM
I just realized I made a HUGE omission here, I must add Berlioz: L'Enfance Du Christ to my list. The Flight to Egypt overture, the trio movement for flutes and harp, and the final tranquil moments between the tenor and choir. This is pure beauty.

Aye. If I were pressed, Greg, chances are excellent I should nominate that as my favorite Berlioz score.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 18, 2013, 10:11:54 AM
Scrolling, My eye caught 'Josquin des Prez' and a shiver ran down my back......then I realised it was the composer! As you were folks.

Mike

Glad I had finished swallowing my tea before reading that . . . .
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 18, 2013, 12:18:15 PM
Glad I had finished swallowing my tea before reading that . . . .

It was a nasty moment when I saw that name; and then relief flooded me when I realised it was just a wife murderer, not an ex-member of our site, phew.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: North Star on October 18, 2013, 05:30:31 PM
It was a nasty moment when I saw that name; and then relief flooded me when I realised it was just a wife murderer, not an ex-member of our site, phew.

Mike
That's Gesualdo  -or did every Renaissance composer kill their spouses  :o
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on October 18, 2013, 10:17:28 PM
Yes, yes....I almost looked it up and then convinced myself I had the right one, thanks.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Papy Oli on October 19, 2013, 08:29:49 AM
Pergolesi - Stabat Mater
Tallis - Salve Intemerata
Byrd - Mass for 4 voices
Part - Kanon Pokajanen
Mozart - Requiem
Tallis - Spem in Alium
Allegri - Miserere
Palestrina - Missa Papae Marcelli
Fux - Requiem
Gesualdo - Sabbado Sancto
Part - Berliner Messe
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Dax on October 20, 2013, 07:22:17 PM
No mentions yet for
Liszt - Via Crucis
Lili Boulanger - psalm 130 Du fond de l'abime
Ives - Harvest home chorales

If one may be permitted an album, then Simon Karas Byzantine hymns of Christmas.

Wot, no Duke Ellington?
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 21, 2013, 03:40:31 AM
No mentions yet for
Liszt - Via Crucis

That is a beauty.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Jo498 on June 24, 2014, 04:03:33 AM
Beethoven: Missa solemnis
Bach: St Matthew Passion
Handel: Messiah
Bach: Mass in b minor
Mozart: Mass in c minor
Brahms: German Requiem
Haydn: The creation (sacred enough?)
Monteverdi: Vespers for the Virgin Mary
Verdi: Requiem
Bruckner: Te Deum
Janacek: Glagolitic Mass


Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Earth and Air and Rain on July 20, 2015, 05:15:50 PM

There's no avoiding the grand monuments of Bach, Mozart, et al in a topic like this, nor the medieval & renaissance masters, but I'll offer my favorites from outside that central trunk of major masses and oratorios.

Handel:  Dixit Dominus, HWV 232 (1707) - unique and exciting, a young genius showing off to his Italian hosts
Haydn:  Te Deum, H. XXIIIc:2 (1800) - whirlwind setting encapsulating his choral mastery, with immense double fugue
Mendelssohn:  Say where is he born / There shall a star, from Christus, op. 97 (1847) - gorgeous trio & chorus for Christmas
Bruckner:  Ave Maria, Christus factus est, and Os Justi (1861-84) - towering works in the smallest form
Grechaninov:  Strastnaia Sedmitsa (Passion Week), op. 58 (1911) - stands right beside Rachmaninoff Vespers
Milhaud:  Psaume 121, for TTBB (1921) - among the most valuable works in male chorus repertoire
Martin:  Mass (1926) - exceptional a cappella setting, deep and memorable as few 20th-c masses have achieved
Howells:  Requiem and Hymnus Paradisi (1932/38) - both superb, the latter based partly on former
Duruflé:  Requiem, op. 9 (1947) - expert adaptation of gregorian chant, impressionistic and achingly beautiful
Finzi:  In terra pax, op. 39 (1954) - the culmination of his output of choral gems, Finzi's most perfect gift in his last years

Didn't even have space for numerous small American pieces that I love greatly...  Will have to wait for another thread.
 
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Brian on July 20, 2015, 05:43:23 PM
Alphabetical.

Berlioz - L'enfance du Christ
Berlioz - Te Deum
Dvorak - Requiem
Dvorak - Te Deum
Faure - Requiem
Janacek - Glagolitic Mass
Lauridsen - O magnum mysterium
Lutoslawski - Twenty Polish Christmas Carols
Orban - Daemon irrepit callidus
Poulenc - Gloria
Zelenka - Missa votiva

Hon. Mention:
Janacek - The Eternal Gospel
Brahms - Ave Maria
Biebl - Ave Maria
Milhaud - Psaume 121
Grieg - Ave maris stella
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Brian on July 20, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Here's a YouTube recording of the most obscure choice on my list, by György Orbán (b. 1947).

http://www.youtube.com/v/2NoBKcrDesM
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 21, 2015, 12:34:13 AM
Alphabetical.

Berlioz - L'enfance du Christ
Berlioz - Te Deum
Dvorak - Requiem
Dvorak - Te Deum
Faure - Requiem
Janacek - Glagolitic Mass
Lauridsen - O magnum mysterium
Lutoslawski - Twenty Polish Christmas Carols
Orban - Daemon irrepit callidus
Poulenc - Gloria
Zelenka - Missa votiva

Hon. Mention:
Janacek - The Eternal Gospel
Brahms - Ave Maria
Biebl - Ave Maria
Milhaud - Psaume 121
Grieg - Ave maris stella

Great list.

Although, you may not be listening to enough Henning.

(j/k)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: sheri1983 on August 19, 2015, 06:31:48 AM
Bach Mass in B
Bach Mathew's Passion
Bach Magnificat
Handel Messiah
Mozart Mass in C
Mozart Requiem
Beethoven Missa Solemnis
Handel Solomon
Handel Israel in Egypt
Haydn The Creation

I found Beethoven Missa Solemnis the greatest sacred piece I ever listened, I think I can add Brahms Requiem and maybe Schubert Masses but I didn't listened to it yet but I trust their works, and Bach Cantatas are one of the best in sacred music.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: knight66 on August 19, 2015, 09:30:23 PM
I am with you there on the Missa Solemnis, not like a mountain, more like a range of mountains.

Mike
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Spineur on January 17, 2016, 07:23:23 AM
Here are a few more not yet mentionned

Michel Richard Delalande: De profundis
Felix Mendelssohn: Oratorio Paulus

My all time favorites are
Liszt Via Crucis
Haydn the seven last words or Christ
already cited a few times.



Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Monsieur Croche on January 17, 2016, 11:37:31 PM
Guillaume de Machaut ~ La Messe de Nostre Dame

Guillaume Dufay ~ Ave Maris Stella

Mozart ~ mass in C minor KV 427

Beethoven ~ Missa Solemnis

Rossini ~ Petite Messe Solennelle [original orchestration, twelve singers, the soloists doubling the SATB chorus, two pianos and harmonium.]

Messiaen ~  Trois Petites Liturgies de la Présence Divine

Stravinsky ~ Mass / Threni

Ligeti ~ Requiem
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: North Star on January 18, 2016, 02:27:12 AM
I think some changes are in order. I'm ignoring renaissance only because I can't be bothered with trying to fit all them in this small a list as well.

Bach - Mass in B minor
Bach - St. Matthew Passion
BerliozRequiem  L'enfance du Christ
Britten - War Requiem   Brahms - Ein deutsches Requiem
Fauré – Requiem
Janacek – Glagolitic Mass
Mozart - Requiem    Monteverdi - Vespro della Beata Vergine
Mozart - Mass in C minor
RakhmaninovAll-night Vigil
Stravinsky - Symphony of Psalms
ZelenkaMissa Votiva

Honorary mention
Britten - War Requiem
Janáček - Otčenáš (Our Father)
Pärt - Stabat Mater
Tippett - A Child of Our Time
Vivaldi - Nisi Dominus RV 608
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: SymphonicAddict on July 19, 2017, 05:16:28 PM
Resurrecting old posts

On the top: my favorite all-time masses

Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Janácek: Glagolitic Mass

In no especific order:

Verdi: Messa da Requiem
Dvorák: Te Deum
Berlioz: Grande Messe des Morts
Mozart: Great Mass in C minor
Brahms: Ein deutsches Requiem
Bruckner: Te Deum
Szymanowski: Stabat Mater
Respighi: Lauda per la Natività del Signore
Penderecki: A Polish Requiem
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Contemporaryclassical on July 19, 2017, 09:35:57 PM
Ockeghem - Missa Prolationum
Monteverdi - Vespers
Bach - St Matthew Passion
Beethoven - Missa Solemnis
Stravinsky - Threni
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: bwv 1080 on July 20, 2017, 05:58:43 AM
Some not mentioned

Frank Martin - Mass
Charles Wuorinen - Mass for the restoration of St Lukes
Schnittke - Requiem
Schnittke - Choir Concerto
Schnittke - Psalms of Repentance
Gesualdo - Tenebrae
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on July 20, 2021, 07:18:59 AM
At the current moment:

Boulanger (L.): Psalm 130 Du fond de l’abîme
Dvorak: Requiem
Fauré: Requiem
Finzi: In terra pax
Handel: Messiah
Lloyd: A Symphonic Mass
Poulenc: Stabat Mater
Schmidt, Franz: Das Buch mit Sieben Siegeln
Schmitt, Florent: Psalm 47
Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms
Vasks: Missa
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 20, 2021, 08:32:09 AM
Of non-Henning works:
Monteverdi Vespro della Beata Vergine
Rakhmaninov All-Night Vigil
Berlioz Grande Messe des morts
Liszt Via crucis
Bruckner Mass in e minor
Wuorinen Mass for the Restoration of St Luke's
Papa Missa in tempore belli
Victoria Missa Alma Redemptoris Mater
Tallis Mass for Four Voices
Byrd Mass for Five Voices

Clemens non papa Magnificat octavi thoni
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: MusicTurner on July 20, 2021, 08:39:37 AM
Regarding Liszt, difficult to choose between Via Crucis and the Christus Oratorio. But in the end, the varied content and the grandeur of Christus would probably win for me. The Via Crucis is a really remarkable, Spartan and modern-sounding work, however.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 20, 2021, 08:41:22 AM
Regarding Liszt, difficult to choose between Via Crucis and the Christus Oratorio. But in the end, Christus would probably win for me. The Via Crucis is a really remarkable, spartan and modern-sounding work, however.

I do need to visit Christus more.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 20, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
At the current moment:

Boulanger (L.): Psalm 130 Du fond de l’abîme
Dvorak: Requiem
Fauré: Requiem
Finzi: In terra pax
Handel: Messiah
Lloyd: A Symphonic Mass
Poulenc: Stabat Mater
Schmidt, Franz: Das Buch mit Sieben Siegeln
Schmitt, Florent: Psalm 47
Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms
Vasks: Missa

Terrific choices. A huge thumbs up for the Schmitt.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 20, 2021, 08:50:36 AM
Of non-Henning works:
Monteverdi Vespro della Beata Vergine
Rakhmaninov All-Night Vigil
Berlioz Grande Messe des morts
Liszt Via crucis
Bruckner Mass in e minor
Wuorinen Mass for the Restoration of St Luke's
Papa Missa in tempore belli
Victoria Missa Alma Redemptoris Mater
Tallis Mass for Four Voices
Byrd Mass for Five Voices

Clemens non papa Magnificat octavi thoni

The Monteverdi and Berlioz are extraordinary indeed.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: ritter on July 20, 2021, 08:57:07 AM

Wuorinen Mass for the Restoration of St Luke's


What a beautiful work!
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 20, 2021, 09:01:53 AM
What a beautiful work!
That it is!
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 20, 2021, 09:04:36 AM
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Janacek: Glagolitic Mass
Schmitt: Psaume XLVII
Taneyev: At the Reading of a Psalm
Berlioz: Te Deum
Monteverdi: Vespro della Beata Virgine 1610
Duruflé: Requiem
Kastalsky: Requiem for the Fallen Brothers
Bruckner: Te Deum
Braunfels: Te Deum
Szymanowski: Stabat Mater
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: vandermolen on July 22, 2021, 07:39:43 AM
Bloch: Sacred Service
Fricker: The Vision of Judgement
Kastalsky: Requiem for Fallen Brothers (I told you lot that it was good! ;D)
Howells: Hymnus Paradisi
Durufle: Requiem
Szymanowski: Stabat Mater
Vaughan Williams: Sancta Civitas
Foulds: A World Requiem (rather in the spirit of the Kastalsky)
Preisner: Requiem for My Friend
Finzi: Requiem da camera
Holst: Psalm 86

Not sure if these are all officially 'Sacred'
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on July 22, 2021, 08:29:31 AM
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Janacek: Glagolitic Mass
Schmitt: Psaume XLVII
Taneyev: At the Reading of a Psalm
Berlioz: Te Deum
Monteverdi: Vespro della Beata Virgine 1610
Duruflé: Requiem
Kastalsky: Requiem for the Fallen Brothers
Bruckner: Te Deum
Braunfels: Te Deum
Szymanowski: Stabat Mater

These could've easily been my choices - except I don't know the Monteverdi and Kastalsky yet. The Taneyev work struck me as having by far the best music in its first few movements (that opening is something else!) - I was rather disappointed by the majority of the rest of the work by comparison. Could just be the recording I listened to (Pletnev on Pentatone), which I found didn't have very satisfactory vocal soloists.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Cato on July 22, 2021, 09:00:13 AM
Wow!  From 2013!  Given the other symphony topic from 2007, this must be Wayback Machine Day!   ;)



This is the one I bought and am more than satisfied: the notes mention Brahms praising von Suppe's sacred music most highly, so that should be the ultimate recommendation!



I also mentioned the Psalm 150 by Cesar Franck, a work often sung by the parish choir when I was a child, and a marvelous little piece.

Unfortunately, there are few recordings of this available...at least via Amazon.



Not to be forgotten, Bruckner's marvelous miniature Os Iusti!


https://www.youtube.com/v/ov-OAmpcRfw
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 22, 2021, 06:56:52 PM
Bloch: Sacred Service
Fricker: The Vision of Judgement
Kastalsky: Requiem for Fallen Brothers (I told you lot that it was good! ;D)
Howells: Hymnus Paradisi
Durufle: Requiem
Szymanowski: Stabat Mater
Vaughan Williams: Sancta Civitas
Foulds: A World Requiem (rather in the spirit of the Kastalsky)
Preisner: Requiem for My Friend
Finzi: Requiem da camera
Holst: Psalm 86

Not sure if these are all officially 'Sacred'

Better late than never.  :)
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 22, 2021, 06:58:12 PM
These could've easily been my choices - except I don't know the Monteverdi and Kastalsky yet. The Taneyev work struck me as having by far the best music in its first few movements (that opening is something else!) - I was rather disappointed by the majority of the rest of the work by comparison. Could just be the recording I listened to (Pletnev on Pentatone), which I found didn't have very satisfactory vocal soloists.

I don't know any other recording of the Taneyev, but I do recall being pleased by the whole work.
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: vandermolen on July 22, 2021, 08:48:38 PM
Better late than never.  :)
Haha  ;D
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: amw on July 23, 2021, 02:14:18 AM
Bach - Mass in B minor
Bach - St Matthew Passion
Beethoven - Missa Solemnis
Schubert - Mass in E flat
Byrd - Mass for five voices
Mozart - Requiem
Zelenka - Requiem in c minor (ZWV 48?)
Ferneyhough - Missa brevis
Stravinsky - Requiem Canticles (if I had to pick favourites, this one would arm-wrestle the B minor mass and Missa Solemnis for the top spot)
Stravinsky - Threni
Ligeti - Requiem
I have no coherent memories from the year 2013, but apparently had a similar taste in sacred music.

Updated list would probably include:
Bach B minor mass
Bach St Matthew Passion
Bach St John Passion
Beethoven Missa Solemnis
Browne Salve Regina I & II
Dvořák Stabat Mater
Finnissy Seven Sacred Motets
Gesualdo Tenebrae
Josquin Ave Maria
Machaut Motets (no, I will not pick just one)
Palestrina Stabat Mater
Ratkje Crepuscular Hour
Schubert Mass in E flat
Stravinsky Requiem Canticles
Stravinsky Threni
Tallis Lamentations
Weeks Mala Punica (ok, Song of Songs is stretching the definition of "sacred" a bit)

... I feel like an interesting constraint for a thread topic might be "top 10 favourite non-Roman Catholic sacred works".
Title: Re: Top 11 Favourite Sacred Works
Post by: kyjo on July 24, 2021, 07:47:48 AM
I don't know any other recording of the Taneyev, but I do recall being pleased by the whole work.

I see there’s also a Svetlanov recording, but I’m not as great a fan of his recordings as you and others here are.