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Title: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on October 25, 2013, 11:02:00 PM
Just in time for Halloween.

1. Scriabin
2. Liszt
3. Ravel
4. Tartini
5. Gounod
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on October 25, 2013, 11:02:52 PM
6. Boito
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: mn dave on October 26, 2013, 02:54:48 AM
 :). Nice.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 26, 2013, 03:11:19 AM
Schnittke:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/ngmg/schnittkefaustrozhdestvensky.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Mirror Image on October 26, 2013, 06:00:46 AM
Schnittke, Liszt, Tishchenko, Gounod, Berlioz, Lili Boulanger, and I'm sure there are more.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Brahmsian on October 26, 2013, 06:24:31 AM
Paganini.  Wasn't he thought of as 'resembling the devil'.....back in the day?  :D
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: jochanaan on October 26, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 26, 2013, 06:24:31 AM
Paganini.  Wasn't he thought of as 'resembling the devil'.....back in the day?  :D
No, the legend about Paganini was that he sold his soul to Satan, since people thought that was the only way he could play what he played. :o :P
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Sean on October 26, 2013, 05:52:37 PM
Penderecki's opera The Devils, after Huxley. It's typically mild but has its moments.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Karl Henning on October 26, 2013, 05:58:56 PM
So any composer who has written any piece referring to the devil, is obsessed, is that it?

(I ask only for information.)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on October 26, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Yes.

I am not obsessed with the devil however--I am in the midst of writing an oratorio about Phil The Prince of Insufficient Light.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: DaveF on October 27, 2013, 02:04:52 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Jean_Sibelius_1939.jpg)

His favourite interval was the tritone - does that count?  And he's smoking - QED.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Dax on April 01, 2016, 02:28:06 AM
Watch out for dem tritones!

http://www.submediant.com/2016/03/15/citing-evangelical-faith-ted-cruz-calls-to-ban-satanic-tritone/
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Karl Henning on April 01, 2016, 04:38:10 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 26, 2013, 05:58:56 PM
So any composer who has written any piece referring to the devil, is obsessed, is that it?

(I ask only for information.)

I had forgotten this thread.

Was about to post something to much the same effect.

Glad to find I can simply quote a prior post . . . .

8)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Super Blood Moon on April 01, 2016, 05:23:43 AM
Many a metal composer. :D
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Karl Henning on April 01, 2016, 06:04:21 AM
Eh, they're just pranksters.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 01, 2016, 06:11:55 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 26, 2013, 05:58:56 PM
So any composer who has written any piece referring to the devil, is obsessed, is that it?

(I ask only for information.)

If so, add the composer of L'Histoire du Soldat and The Rake's Progress.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Mirror Image on April 01, 2016, 06:40:28 AM
Quote from: Dax on April 01, 2016, 02:28:06 AM
Watch out for dem tritones!

http://www.submediant.com/2016/03/15/citing-evangelical-faith-ted-cruz-calls-to-ban-satanic-tritone/

I'd like to tie Ted Cruz down, wrap a bandana around his mouth, sit in front of him, and play tritones on my electric guitar ad nauseam. :)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Karl Henning on April 01, 2016, 06:42:17 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 01, 2016, 06:40:28 AM
I'd like to tie Ted Cruz down, wrap a bandana around his mouth, sit in front of him, and play tritones on my electric guitar ad nauseam. :)

Hold onto those little dreams!   ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Mirror Image on April 01, 2016, 06:44:23 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on April 01, 2016, 06:42:17 AM
Hold onto those little dreams!   ;D  ;)

:P
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on April 01, 2016, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 01, 2016, 06:40:28 AM
I'd like to tie Ted Cruz down, wrap a bandana around his mouth, sit in front of him, and play tritones on my electric guitar ad nauseam. :)

Sounds kinky. Didn't know you were into teddy porn, John.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Super Blood Moon on April 01, 2016, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on April 01, 2016, 06:04:21 AM
Eh, they're just pranksters.

Many of them.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Mirror Image on April 01, 2016, 10:03:03 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on April 01, 2016, 09:31:08 AM
Sounds kinky. Didn't know you were into teddy porn, John.

If you think aural torture is kinky, then, yes, I guess it's 'teddy porn.' :)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: some guy on April 01, 2016, 12:22:37 PM
Probably the tying up part was what was considered kinky.

(My first thought as well. >:D)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: North Star on April 01, 2016, 12:25:31 PM
Quote from: Super Blood Moon on April 01, 2016, 05:23:43 AM
Many a metal composer. :D
I think it's called casting.  0:)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: vandermolen on April 02, 2016, 03:51:25 AM
Vaughan Williams's 'Job' features music depicting the Devil. I would not describe him as obsessed with the Devil though. I think that the British composers Peter Warlock (Philip Heseltine) and Bernard van Dieren (actually Dutch) may have been involved in some kind of Black Magic/Devil worship group as was the conductor Eugene Goossens. Constant Lambert was a friend who said that the first movement of his ballet Hororscope was dictated from beyond he grave by Van Dieren.  >:D
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: SKYIO on April 02, 2016, 05:11:48 AM
The devil is such an interesting character. I'm not religious or anything, but if I were to become religious, satanism would probably be my go to cult/religion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Satan the only angel to stand up to the tyrannic God? That sounds terribly heroic.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Karl Henning on April 02, 2016, 05:18:11 AM
Quote from: Super Blood Moon on April 01, 2016, 09:32:01 AM
Many of them.

Emendation accepted.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: Jo498 on April 02, 2016, 05:29:07 AM
I have no clue where they got the numbers from ;) but I think tradition holds that about 1/3 of the angels joined the rebellion.
As for whether this was "standing up to a tyrannic God", if you have not read it, I'd recommend Tolkien's take on it in his creation myth "The Music of the Ainur" in the Silmarilion.
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: jochanaan on April 02, 2016, 07:17:39 PM
Quote from: Jo498 on April 02, 2016, 05:29:07 AM
...I'd recommend Tolkien's take on it in his creation myth "The Music of the Ainur" in the Silmarilion.
Second the recommendation, although perhaps not for the same reason :) Melkor, the leader of the "rebellion" there, becomes Morgoth the Dark Lord, and does not get a sympathetic treatment. 8)
Title: Re: Favorite composers who were obsessed with the devil
Post by: James on April 04, 2016, 06:29:03 AM
In more recent times. Lucifer is 1 of the 3 central characters/melodies for Stockhausen's massive LICHT cycle which occupied about 25 years of his life .. Lucifer's Dance from this cycle is a particularly amazing work (orchestral concerto) for a gigantic wind band, easily one of the greatest things of the 1980s and of his entire later output. Ligeti's Study No. 13 - The Devil's Staircase is a truly demonic piece .. one of the best!