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Title: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 05, 2020, 04:56:21 PM
Works that evoke on you features or ideas such like sinister, scary, mysterious, demonic or troubled, or several of them.


Gubaidulina: String Quartet No. 4
Alexander Lasoń: Cathedral, for symphony orchestra
Ligeti: Atmosphères (or his Violin Concerto)
Lutoslawski: Symphony No. 3 (or his String Quartet)
Penderecki: Utrenja (or his Violin Concerto No. 1)
Pettersson: Sonatas (Duets) for two violins (or his Symphony No. 10)
Shchedrin: Cello Concerto Sotto voce
Schnittke: String Quartet No. 2
Shostakovich: Viola sonata (or his String Quartet No. 15)
Xenakis: Anything by him
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: vandermolen on September 05, 2020, 11:49:45 PM
Interesting thread idea Cesar.
Fanelli's 'Romance of the Mummy' came to mind immediately as did works by Holbrooke but I'll give this topic more thought later:
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Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mandryka on September 05, 2020, 11:53:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/iJG7Mhf_3Kc&t=8s&ab_channel=NichtsFurNiemand

https://www.youtube.com/v/YGsjpVhGNaY

https://www.youtube.com/v/qZInuf_chfc


https://www.youtube.com/v/_LgNBxEnsmE&ab_channel=JonathanSells


https://www.youtube.com/v/kELCW-Y7cP0&ab_channel=Beckmesser2


https://www.youtube.com/v/KUhKxvckve8&ab_channel=FreeSifakas


Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: amw on September 06, 2020, 12:27:48 AM
Schubert - Winterreise
https://www.youtube.com/v/O77XeDh2wpc&list=PLORbTaOMS0-i_ozJ1-K8jqt-fXa8U3atG&ab_channel=ChristineSch%C3%A4fer-Topic
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: vandermolen on September 06, 2020, 05:33:13 AM
Rachmaninov: The Isle of the Dead
Nordgren: Symphony No.3
Miaskovsky: Silence: Poem after Poe
Miaskovsky: Symphony No.3
Pettersson: Symphony No.8
Sibelius: Symphony No.4
Novak: De Profundis
Frankel: Curse of the Werewolf (cheating I know as it is a film score)
Sainton: Nadir
Fanelli: Romance of the Mummy

Two of these (Novak and Sainton) have redemptive endings.
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Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Brian on September 06, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
Beethoven - Symphony No. 3, Marcia funèbre
Dvorák - The Water Goblin
Górecki - Symphony No. 3
Kabelac - Mystery of Time
Liszt - Funerailles and late piano miniatures
Poulenc - Organ Concerto
Ravel - Scarbo
Schubert - Fantasie D. 940
Scriabin - Sonata No. 9
Sibelius - Symphony No. 4

Bonus excerpts from bigger works: the final nightfall of Eine Alpensinfonie and the "migraine" in Elgar 2

Edit: just remembered "Memorial to Lidice"
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 20, 2021, 05:42:47 AM
Here goes nothing...in no particular order:

Schoenberg: Erwartung
Berg: Wozzeck
Bartók: String Quartet No. 3
Penderecki: Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima
Shostakovich: Viola Sonata, Op. 147
Schnittke: Symphony No. 8
Pettersson: Symphony No. 12, “The Dead on the Square”
Ligeti: Requiem
Schuman: Symphony No. 9, “Le Fosse Ardeatine”
Lutosławski: Musique funèbre



Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on August 21, 2021, 02:57:31 PM
Here goes nothing...in no particular order:

Schoenberg: Erwartung
Berg: Wozzeck
Bartók: String Quartet No. 3
Penderecki: Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima
Shostakovich: Viola Sonata, Op. 147
Schnittke: Symphony No. 8
Pettersson: Symphony No. 12, “The Dead on the Square”
Ligeti: Requiem
Schuman: Symphony No. 9, “Le Fosse Ardeatine”
Lutosławski: Musique funèbre

This is definitely your chromatic-rhythmic-textural-haunting side, John.  ;)
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 21, 2021, 06:23:04 PM
This is definitely your chromatic-rhythmic-textural-haunting side, John.  ;)

Indeed. ;D We all have a musical dark side and I suppose these works exemplify more than words ever could. :) I have to say, though, reading Brian’s list, it sounds like he has yet to succumb to complete and utter darkness. The works he listed don’t make me feel uncomfortable at all. Anyway, don’t worry, we’ll pull him into our void --- it won’t be easy, but he will give in sooner or later. :P
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: kyjo on August 24, 2021, 05:51:03 AM
My list is pretty “tame” compared to Cesar’s and John’s, but here goes:

Arnold: Symphony no. 7
Bloch: Piano Quintet no. 1
Boulanger (L): Psalm 130 “Du fond de l’abîme”
Braga Santos: Symphony no. 5
Bridge: Oration (Concerto elegiaco)
Honegger: Symphony no. 3
Pettersson: Symphony no. 8
Prokofiev: Symphony no. 6
Schnittke: Cello Concerto no. 1
Vaughan Williams: Symphony no. 6
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 24, 2021, 05:57:36 AM
My list is pretty “tame” compared to Cesar’s and John’s, but here goes:

Arnold: Symphony no. 7
Bloch: Piano Quintet no. 1
Boulanger (L): Psalm 130 “Du fond de l’abîme”
Braga Santos: Symphony no. 5
Bridge: Oration (Concerto elegiaco)
Honegger: Symphony no. 3
Pettersson: Symphony no. 8
Prokofiev: Symphony no. 6
Schnittke: Cello Concerto no. 1
Vaughan Williams: Symphony no. 6

Those Pettersson and Schnittke works are certainly bleak and as black as night, Kyle. Good choices. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Jo498 on August 24, 2021, 06:45:58 AM
Mahler 6th
Sibelius 4th
Berg 3 orchestral pieces
Hartmann Concerto funebre
Haydn Symphony #49
Liszt Totentanz, Lugubre Gondola, Nuages gris etc.
Brahms op. 118,6
Schubert: Winterreise
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 24, 2021, 07:00:23 AM
Mahler 6th
Sibelius 4th
Berg 3 orchestral pieces
Hartmann Concerto funebre
Haydn Symphony #49
Liszt Totentanz, Lugubre Gondola, Nuages gris etc.
Brahms op. 118,6
Schubert: Winterreise

I could’ve very well put some Hartmann on my list as well. Great choice there.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: krummholz on August 24, 2021, 07:34:51 AM
Weighing in...

Holmboe 9th symphony
Mahler 6th and 9th, Das Lied von der Erde
Sibelius 4th
Schoenberg String Quartet #2, Chamber Symphony #2
Shostakovich 4th symphony, 8th symphony
Tubin 6th

More 4 sure, but that's my top 10...
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on August 28, 2021, 06:45:09 PM
My list is pretty “tame” compared to Cesar’s and John’s, but here goes:

Arnold: Symphony no. 7
Bloch: Piano Quintet no. 1
Boulanger (L): Psalm 130 “Du fond de l’abîme”
Braga Santos: Symphony no. 5
Bridge: Oration (Concerto elegiaco)
Honegger: Symphony no. 3
Pettersson: Symphony no. 8
Prokofiev: Symphony no. 6
Schnittke: Cello Concerto no. 1
Vaughan Williams: Symphony no. 6

Braga Santos is quite dark in the 5th indeed. Some of his late pieces convey a sense of terryfing atmosphere. Gripping works.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on August 28, 2021, 06:46:39 PM
Weighing in...

Holmboe 9th symphony
Mahler 6th and 9th, Das Lied von der Erde
Sibelius 4th
Schoenberg String Quartet #2, Chamber Symphony #2
Shostakovich 4th symphony, 8th symphony
Tubin 6th

More 4 sure, but that's my top 10...

Sibelius 4th has been elusive to me, but I'm coming to grips with it more and more. Maazel and the WP do a great job in that piece (Decca).
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 28, 2021, 06:50:02 PM
Sibelius 4th has been elusive to me, but I'm coming to grips with it more and more. Maazel and the WP do a great job in that piece (Decca).

Do you know the Karajan DG performance, Cesar? This is my reference recording for this symphony.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on August 28, 2021, 07:27:39 PM
Do you know the Karajan DG performance, Cesar? This is my reference recording for this symphony.

Yes, another very convincing reading for sure. This is one of those cases where the performance makes a difference. Not all they manage to persuade the listener and show itself like truly meaningful.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 28, 2021, 07:32:33 PM
Yes, another very convincing reading for sure. This is one of those cases where the performance makes a difference. Not all they manage to persuade the listener and show itself like truly meaningful.

The 4th was elusive to me as well until I heard the Karajan DG recording. To be honest, this is one of the only pieces of music that brought tears to my eyes. The third movement had ahold of me and I never looked back. Not only is this my favorite Sibelius symphony, but one of those desert island works for me. Vänskä with the Lahti SO is another favorite performance of this work. Oh and I also love the Barbirolli/Hallé performance. If this performance doesn’t give you frostbite, I don’t know what will! :P
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on August 29, 2021, 03:44:37 PM
The 4th was elusive to me as well until I heard the Karajan DG recording. To be honest, this is one of the only pieces of music that brought tears to my eyes. The third movement had ahold of me and I never looked back. Not only is this my favorite Sibelius symphony, but one of those desert island works for me. Vänskä with the Lahti SO is another favorite performance of this work. Oh and I also love the Barbirolli/Hallé performance. If this performance doesn’t give you frostbite, I don’t know what will! :P

I'm making sure of compilating a good bunch of their recordings. I know I want to get deeper in Sibelius's soul.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on August 29, 2021, 03:49:15 PM
Previously I had heard Gubaidulina Fachwerk and Alleluja as recommended by MI (John). These works could perfectly be here in my list now. The title Alleluja is misleading. It's not a celebratory religious prayer, but quite the opposite. It's like sounds from souls from purgatory. It's really dark, and I quite enjoyed. it. Almost the same goes for Fachwerk for bayan, percussion and strings. The bayan is like an accordion, and how impressive sonorities it can provide! Another quite somber and spectral (not related to the musical -ism) piece. Thanks John for mentioning these pieces!
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 29, 2021, 03:52:25 PM
I'm making sure of compilating a good bunch of their recordings. I know I want to get deeper in Sibelius's soul.

This particular period of Sibelius’ life was certainly filled of worry, doubt, fear and uncertainty. A little bit before writing this symphony he had survived a throat cancer operation and this gave him a new perspective for life in general and the result was his 4th. It’s not an ‘easy’ symphony or, at least, easy in terms of his other symphonies, but I think it rewards the listener tremendously.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: relm1 on August 30, 2021, 04:38:44 AM
Iannis Xenakis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ajOyhcl_c

This is probably more tortured than dark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5771zMOeE
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on August 30, 2021, 08:33:03 PM
Iannis Xenakis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ajOyhcl_c

This is probably more tortured than dark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5771zMOeE

Jonchaies is terrific. To me sounds like a more modern Le sacre!
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2021, 06:16:22 AM
Jonchaies is terrific. To me sounds like a more modern Le sacre!

This is what I thought when I first heard it, too. A thrilling piece.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: André on August 31, 2021, 08:24:32 AM
Beethoven - Symphony No. 3, Marcia funèbre
Dvorák - The Water Goblin
Górecki - Symphony No. 3
Kabelac - Mystery of Time
Liszt - Funerailles and late piano miniatures
Poulenc - Organ Concerto
Ravel - Scarbo
Schubert - Fantasie D. 940
Scriabin - Sonata No. 9
Sibelius - Symphony No. 4

Bonus excerpts from bigger works: the final nightfall of Eine Alpensinfonie and the "migraine" in Elgar 2

Edit: just remembered "Memorial to Lidice"

This could very well be my own list - except for the Scriabin sonata, which I don’t know.

Add to that the complete works of Pettersson (or just his ‘Mesto’ for strings if it’s one work per composer), Shostakovich’s 8th and Mahler’s 6th.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: steve ridgway on August 31, 2021, 08:52:58 AM
I’m giving this some thought as I’ve accumulated a pile of works now that I don’t yet know very well. A few that leap out immediately that haven’t already been mentioned are -

Luigi Nono - Ricorda Cosa Ti Hanno Fatto In Auschwitz
Herbert Eimert - Epitaph Für Aikichi Kuboyama
Toru Takemitsu - Kwaidan
Giacinto Scelsi - Uaxuctum - The Legend Of The Mayan City Which They Themselves Destroyed For Religious Reasons
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on August 31, 2021, 10:38:08 AM
Previously I had heard Gubaidulina Fachwerk and Alleluja as recommended by MI (John). These works could perfectly be here in my list now. The title Alleluja is misleading. It's not a celebratory religious prayer, but quite the opposite. It's like sounds from souls from purgatory. It's really dark, and I quite enjoyed. it. Almost the same goes for Fachwerk for bayan, percussion and strings. The bayan is like an accordion, and how impressive sonorities it can provide! Another quite somber and spectral (not related to the musical -ism) piece. Thanks John for mentioning these pieces!

Somehow I missed this post. Glad to read you enjoyed both of those Gubaidulina works! 8)
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 15, 2021, 07:57:02 PM
I've come to think that Bacewicz's late style features some nightmarish and dark works like the last string quartets and Piano Quintet No. 2. Granted, they could be tough nuts to crack, but ones that leave a powerful impression.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on September 15, 2021, 08:27:56 PM
I've come to think that Bacewicz's late style features some nightmarish and dark works like the last string quartets and Piano Quintet No. 2. Granted, they could be tough nuts to crack, but ones that leave a powerful impression.

These Polish composers really know how to conjure up these types of sound-worlds. The Russians and Germans/Austrians do a pretty good job of it, too. ;)
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: The new erato on September 16, 2021, 01:44:10 AM
These Polish composers really know how to conjure up these types of sound-worlds. The Russians and Germans/Austrians do a pretty good job of it, too. ;)
Could very well be a result of Poland being squeezed between Germany and Russia/Soviet.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on September 16, 2021, 05:17:13 AM
Could very well be a result of Poland being squeezed between Germany and Russia/Soviet.

This certainly attributed to it for sure.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 16, 2021, 05:19:53 PM
These Polish composers really know how to conjure up these types of sound-worlds. The Russians and Germans/Austrians do a pretty good job of it, too. ;)

Indeed. Bacewicz, Lutoslawski and Penderecki are fascinating and notable instances of that. They did it effortlessly.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: Mirror Image on September 16, 2021, 06:15:10 PM
Indeed. Bacewicz, Lutoslawski and Penderecki are fascinating and notable instances of that. They did it effortlessly.

Panufnik also has some darker works as does Górecki.
Title: Re: Your 10 favorite 'dark' works
Post by: DaveF on September 18, 2021, 09:27:50 AM
Not too many vocal works so far, so here goes:

Tallis         In jejunio et fletu
Byrd         Plorans plorabit
Purcell      Funeral sentences
Bach         BWV 103, Ihr werdet Weinen und Heulen
Mozart      "Great" G minor
Nielsen      Afflictus sum
Dvořák      Othello
Janáček      String quartet no.1
Shostakovich   Cello concerto no.2 "in G major"
Schnittke      Concerto for piano and strings

It's arguable whether the Janáček is really "dark", or whether it's just filled with his usual crazy over-the-topness.  I read somewhere a very penetrating remark (said by whom I can't remember) to the effect that his music (especially his conclusions) succeeds in being dazzlingly triumphant and deeply desparing at the same time.  Dark enough for me, anyway.