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Title: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Maestro267 on July 12, 2021, 04:43:16 AM
Idk...does what it says in the thread title.

I will specify the following: Some symphonies are listed as being in two "Parts". Not all of these necessarily count here. For instance, Mahler 8 and Tippett 3 would count as the two parts constitute continuous music despite often being subdivided further. Suk's Asrael Symphony or Mahler 3 don't count, as the two parts comprise multiple separate movements within each part. (Split 3-2 in Asrael and 1-5 in Mahler 3).

Some of my favourites:

Hartmann 6
Alwyn 2
Myaskovsky 7
Lajtha 5
Prokofiev 2
Lutoslawski 2
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Jo498 on July 12, 2021, 05:05:13 AM
Schubert b minor (but this is a fragment certainly planned for 4 movements)
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Brian on July 12, 2021, 05:09:32 AM
Hartmann 6
Rouse 3
Rouse 4
Saint-Saëns 3

And of course Jo claimed the most famous one of all.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: relm1 on July 12, 2021, 05:10:42 AM
Prokofiev 2
Saint-Saëns 3
Christopher Rouse 4
Sumera 1
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: VonStupp on July 12, 2021, 05:12:14 AM
Idk...does what it says in the thread title.

I will specify the following: Some symphonies are listed as being in two "Parts". Not all of these necessarily count here. For instance, Mahler 8 and Tippett 3 would count as the two parts constitute continuous music despite often being subdivided further. Suk's Asrael Symphony or Mahler 3 don't count, as the two parts comprise multiple separate movements within each part. (Split 3-2 in Asrael and 1-5 in Mahler 3).

Even the famous Saint-Saëns 3rd seems to be a standard four contrasting movements, rather than the marked overall two.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: vandermolen on July 12, 2021, 05:46:38 AM
Alwyn: Symphony No.2
Pettersson: Symphony No.6 (apparently in one long movement actually)
Prokofiev: Symphony No.2
Gorecki: Symphony No.2 'Copernican'
Nielsen: Symphony No.5

Added later (following other's suggestions):
Creston: Symphony No.2
Schubert: Symphony No.8
Kinsella: Symphony No.3
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: amw on July 12, 2021, 05:52:10 AM
Simpson 6 is an interesting case as a continuous span of music that the composer nevertheless conceptualised as two separate movements. Nielsen 5 is also an obvious choice, one that resists any further division into movements despite the frequent attempts by record companies to insist otherwise.

Of examples not mentioned yet, Holmboe 6 is one of his best, I think.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Biffo on July 12, 2021, 06:39:32 AM
Nielsen 5 is the one that springs to mind first, sure there are others
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Jo498 on July 12, 2021, 06:52:52 AM
I was not sure about Nielsen 5 because I think I have also seen subdivision on CD. And for the Saint-Saens I definitely took it as more than two de facto movements.

Another good one (a bit in the shadow of the one-movement first one) is Schoenberg's 2nd chamber symphony.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Biffo on July 12, 2021, 07:07:17 AM
I was not sure about Nielsen 5 because I think I have also seen subdivision on CD. And for the Saint-Saens I definitely took it as more than two de facto movements.

Another good one (a bit in the shadow of the one-movement first one) is Schoenberg's 2nd chamber symphony.

Nielsen really is just two movements. Some CDs have more than one track for the Finale but it is only one movement
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 12, 2021, 07:22:38 AM
Nielsen 5
Holmboe 6
Alwyn 2
Prokofiev 2
Schubert 8
Lutoslawski 2
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 12, 2021, 08:01:54 AM
Mahler 8
Havergal Brian 30
Schubert 8
Nielsen 5
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: MusicTurner on July 12, 2021, 08:06:52 AM
Well, already mentioned:

- Pettersson 8
- Nielsen 5
- Gorecki 2

also:
- Pärt 1

I don't think Pettersson 6th is in two movements
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 12, 2021, 08:13:35 AM
Other two-movement symphonies worth mentioning:

Bentzon 4
Chávez 5
Creston 2
Eshpai 2
Kinsella 3
Lundquist 1
Norgard 3
Nystroem Sinfonia seria
Szymanowski 2
Toch 5
Tournemire 6
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 12, 2021, 08:14:36 AM
I don't think Pettersson 6th is in two movements

Me either. It's actually a massive single movement.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: MusicTurner on July 12, 2021, 08:33:50 AM
Other two-movement symphonies worth mentioning:

Bentzon 4
Chávez 5
Creston 2
Eshpai 2
Kinsella 3
Lundquist 1
Norgard 3
Nystroem Sinfonia seria
Szymanowski 2
Toch 5
Tournemire 6

Good call, some nice stuff there.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: DaveF on July 12, 2021, 09:10:31 AM
Webern's is in 2 movements.  Somebody's favourite, surely?
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Maestro267 on July 12, 2021, 09:24:57 AM
I decided to swap out Pettersson 8 for Myaskovsky's 7th Symphony (in B minor)
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 12, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
Idk...does what it says in the thread title.

I will specify the following: Some symphonies are listed as being in two "Parts". Not all of these necessarily count here. For instance, Mahler 8 and Tippett 3 would count as the two parts constitute continuous music despite often being subdivided further. Suk's Asrael Symphony or Mahler 3 don't count, as the two parts comprise multiple separate movements within each part. (Split 3-2 in Asrael and 1-5 in Mahler 3).

Some of my favourites:

Hartmann 6
Alwyn 2
Myaskovsky 7
Lajtha 6
Prokofiev 2
Lutoslawski 2

The Lajtha is in 4 movements. Perhaps you meant the 5th.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: vers la flamme on July 12, 2021, 12:54:18 PM
Webern
Schubert 8th (the B minor)
Mahler 8th
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Mirror Image on July 12, 2021, 01:00:01 PM
Other two-movement symphonies worth mentioning:

Bentzon 4
Chávez 5
Creston 2
Eshpai 2
Kinsella 3
Lundquist 1
Norgard 3
Nystroem Sinfonia seria
Szymanowski 2
Toch 5
Tournemire 6

Some interesting choices, Cesar. I especially like the Chávez, Eshpai, Szymanowski and Nørgård. My own list would include K. A. Hartmann’s 6th and William Schuman’s 3rd. Another vote for the Webern, too. What a quirky work!
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: vandermolen on July 12, 2021, 09:54:09 PM
Well, already mentioned:

- Pettersson 8
- Nielsen 5
- Gorecki 2

also:
- Pärt 1

I don't think Pettersson 6th is in two movements
OK - I've amended that entry now and will add in Creston's Symphony No.2, Kinsella's 3rd Symphony and Schubert: Symphony No.8
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 13, 2021, 11:55:23 AM
Some interesting choices, Cesar. I especially like the Chávez, Eshpai, Szymanowski and Nørgård. My own list would include K. A. Hartmann’s 6th and William Schuman’s 3rd. Another vote for the Webern, too. What a quirky work!

Oh yes, I forgot the Schuman. A formidable example. I need to listen to the Webern, but yes, I don't hesitate it's peculiar!
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Brian on July 13, 2021, 02:56:36 PM
Shoot, I forgot Schuman too but he totally makes my list.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Maestro267 on July 13, 2021, 10:51:00 PM
The Lajtha is in 4 movements. Perhaps you meant the 5th.

Yes I did. It's mega confusing cos the two symphonies are on the same disc but in the wrong order.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Uhor on July 16, 2021, 03:09:03 AM
Webern's is in 2 movements.  Somebody's favourite, surely?

It's my favourite Symphony period.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: krummholz on July 28, 2021, 02:40:51 AM
The two that spring to mind immediately are Nielsen's 5th and Holmboe's 6th.

Mahler's 8th also qualifies, as do several by Brian: #22, #23, #26, #30.
Title: Re: Favourite symphonies in two movements
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 29, 2021, 06:12:29 PM
The two that spring to mind immediately are Nielsen's 5th and Holmboe's 6th.

Precisely those are my favorites. Two outstanding Danish symphonies.