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Title: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on July 24, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
This is obviously completely subjective (as are any poll of this nature), but I’m just curious what works do you feel depict heartbreak or perhaps even a sense of loss? In the title of this poll, I mentioned five choices, but you can go beyond this or whatever you feel like doing.

I’ll try to think of a list in the meantime...
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 25, 2021, 04:08:08 AM
Fauré Pavane (especially the choral version)
Mozart Pamina's aria Ach, ich fühl's, es ist verschwunden from Die Zauberflöte
Tchaikovsky Finale of the Sixth Symphony
Mahler last movement of the Tenth Symphony
Schubert String Quartet No. 13 in A minor
Schmidt Fourth Symphony

Sarge
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Roasted Swan on July 25, 2021, 05:03:05 AM
Walton 1 - 1st movement
Zemlinsky - The Mermaid
Madama Butterly - closing scene
Boulanger - Pie Jesu
Suk - Asrael


Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: relm1 on July 25, 2021, 05:41:16 AM
Walton 1- 3rd movement
Mahler 6 - 2nd (or 3rd movement depending on order)
Mahler 9 - last movement
Tchaikovsky 6 - last movement
Prokofiev - R&J Romeo at Juliet's Grave
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 26, 2021, 08:56:24 AM
Suk's Asrael and Schmidt's 4th are the best examples I can think of as well. For me, others are Madetoja's Symphony No. 2 and Howells's Hymnus Paradisi.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: vandermolen on July 26, 2021, 12:36:35 PM
Suk: Asrael
Schmidt: Symphony 4
Moyzes: Symphony 7
Tchaikovsky: Pathetique
Bax: Symphony 2
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on July 26, 2021, 12:43:40 PM
Some interesting choices so far, fellas!
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on July 26, 2021, 02:00:02 PM
Here are my own picks and in no particular order:

Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 in A minor, Op. 77 (III. Passacaglia)
Martinů: Memorial to Lidice, H. 296
Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A minor, Op. 63 (III. Il tempo largo)
Mahler: Symphony No. 6 in A minor (III. Andante)
Pärt: Cantus in Memoriam Benjamin Britten

And one more for good measure:

Tabakova: Cello Concerto (II. Longing)
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: André on July 26, 2021, 02:48:27 PM
Walton 1- 3rd movement
Mahler 6 - 2nd (or 3rd movement depending on order)

Mahler 9 - last movement
Tchaikovsky 6 - last movement
Prokofiev - R&J Romeo at Juliet's Grave
Elgar 2, 2nd movement
Schubert, sonata D959, 2nd movement

 :)
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: vandermolen on July 26, 2021, 09:37:59 PM
Suk's Asrael and Schmidt's 4th are the best examples I can think of as well. For me, others are Madetoja's Symphony No. 2 and Howells's Hymnus Paradisi.
Yes, I think that the Madetoja, commemorating the death of his brother in the Finnish Civil War and the Howells's work commemorating the tragic death of his young son, are very relevant choices. Armstrong Gipps's Symphony No.3 'Westmorland' I think is another appropriate work - his best work, in memory of his son killed in the Second World War. Interesting thread idea:
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Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on July 27, 2021, 06:41:11 AM
Suk's Asrael was the first work that came to mind.

PD
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on July 27, 2021, 06:46:09 AM
Strange as this sound, but I never thought Suk’s Asrael Symphony sounded all that heartbroken. :-\
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: André on July 27, 2021, 10:18:54 AM
Strange as this sound, but I never thought Suk’s Asrael Symphony sounded all that heartbroken. :-\

Same here. I find it contains more anger and defiance than heartbreak. Same with Vierne’s op 42 quintet. Maybe it’s a thin line between these various expressions of pain.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on July 27, 2021, 10:40:12 AM
Same here. I find it contains more anger and defiance than heartbreak. Same with Vierne’s op 42 quintet. Maybe it’s a thin line between these various expressions of pain.

I really should revisit the work, though, because I know it’s been quite some time since I’ve heard it. And yeah, those lines are quite thin, indeed.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Florestan on July 27, 2021, 11:17:52 AM
Vierne’s op 42 quintet.

‘I am constructing … a Quintet of vast proportions, which will give full expression to my tenderness and the tragic destiny of my child … The wild and furious energy with which I am tackling this task matches the depth of my grief, and I will make something powerful, grandiose and strong … Perhaps one who has suffered every grief, every bitterness, every anguish, may be able to ease and console the sufferings of others—that is the role of the artist  …’

Thus Louis Vierne on his Piano Quintet, dedicated to the memory of his only son, killed in WWI. A most moving work.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 27, 2021, 07:24:17 PM
Strange as this sound, but I never thought Suk’s Asrael Symphony sounded all that heartbroken. :-\

It's because you mentioned in the first post that the work could also convey a sense of loss, so the Suk would be a perfect example.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on July 27, 2021, 07:28:56 PM
It's because you mentioned in the first post that the work could also convey a sense of loss, so the Suk would be a perfect example.

To further my opinion, I don’t really hear a sense of loss either. ;)
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Symphonic Addict on July 27, 2021, 07:33:55 PM
To further my opinion, I don’t really hear a sense of loss either. ;)

Ah OK. Fair enough.  :)
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Iota on August 01, 2021, 09:32:09 AM
These spring to mind immediately:


Britten - Now the Great Bear and Pleiades (Peter Grimes)

Britten - From the Gutter (Peter Grimes)

Schnittke - Piano Quintet (rather specifically so, being written in memory of his deceased mother)

Mahler - Symphony 9 final movement

Schubert - just about any song from Winterreise
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 01, 2021, 10:47:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZdCLWiCSWTs
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: relm1 on September 09, 2021, 04:49:49 AM
d'Indy's Souvenirs: In February 1906, d’Indy returned from a conducting tour of the United States to find his wife, Isabelle, dying from a brain hemorrhage.  In her memory he composed Souvenirs, which relives their happy and contented summer holidays together amid their beloved ancestral countryside as well as his heartbreak at the loss of the love of his life.  This isn't the "heartbreak" of anguish but of longing, joyful nostalgia, memories of a cherished love one now gone ending in a whisper as if the experiences and memories they shared are all in the past, eventually lost to time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrFHRRGUnAQ&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0aQUZQDkaE&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0gdgkp-_k&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMqLk0KZsPA&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=10

Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Roasted Swan on September 09, 2021, 05:37:27 AM
d'Indy's Souvenirs: In February 1906, d’Indy returned from a conducting tour of the United States to find his wife, Isabelle, dying from a brain hemorrhage.  In her memory he composed Souvenirs, which relives their happy and contented summer holidays together amid their beloved ancestral countryside as well as his heartbreak at the loss of the love of his life.  This isn't the "heartbreak" of anguish but of longing, joyful nostalgia, memories of a cherished love one now gone ending in a whisper as if the experiences and memories they shared are all in the past, eventually lost to time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrFHRRGUnAQ&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0aQUZQDkaE&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0gdgkp-_k&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMqLk0KZsPA&list=OLAK5uy_mBos7OIh8zXqmgpzJ_0PhqQJ1QC26xi8k&index=10

Goodness me I know the piece but not the context - listening to the Naxos recording now - "joyful nostalgia" is an excellent description.  In answer to the thread immediate thoughts are Suk Asrael Symphony and Zemlinsky The Mermaid.  I'm sure some others will soon spring to mind......
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: vandermolen on September 21, 2021, 12:15:30 AM
Elgar 'Sospiri'.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on September 21, 2021, 05:54:10 AM
Elgar 'Sospiri'.

Good choice. Such a fascinating piece within Elgar’s oeuvre. I think Sospiri means something like “sighs” in Italian.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: vandermolen on September 21, 2021, 05:56:36 AM
Good choice. Such a fascinating piece within Elgar’s oeuvre. I think Sospiri means something like “sighs” in Italian.
Thanks John - I'm sure that you are right.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Mirror Image on September 21, 2021, 06:56:02 AM
Thanks John - I'm sure that you are right.

In the John Bridcut documentary on Elgar titled The Man Behind the Mask, a good bit of time was spent talking about Sospiri. A great documentary that anyone who is a fan of this composer should check out. I wish Bridcut would do more composer documentaries.
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 25, 2021, 06:34:37 PM
Finzi's music, somehow, reminds me of this sentiment or situation. I don't know that much about his work and life, but I do feel a strong sense of nostalgic that could include heartbreak and longing. An example is his Romance for string orchestra. The same goes for The Fall of the Leave (a similar name to that by Langgaard). BTW, there is a lovely section in the initial moments of his [Rued] Symphony No. 13 that makes me think of this emotion or state. A little nostalgic waltz?
Title: Re: Five Works That You Believe Depict Heartbreak
Post by: kyjo on September 26, 2021, 07:10:06 AM
Finzi's music, somehow, reminds me of this sentiment or situation. I don't know that much about his work and life, but I do feel a strong sense of nostalgic that could include heartbreak and longing. An example is his Romance for string orchestra. The same goes for The Fall of the Leave (a similar name to that by Langgaard). BTW, there is a lovely section in the initial moments of his [Rued] Symphony No. 13 that makes me think of this emotion or state. A little nostalgic waltz?

Totally agree about Finzi. Few other composers’ music can arouse such strong feelings of nostalgia and longing within me. Other affecting examples in his output include the slow movement of his Cello Concerto, the Introit for violin and orchestra, and the Eclogue for piano and orchestra.