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Title: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 25, 2007, 03:15:10 PM
This'll work best if I give you my Top Ten first, then you'll see what I'm asking you to do:


1 ) Elgar - Symphony No. 1

2 ) Sibelius - Symphony No. 2

3 ) Saint-Saens - Symphony No. 3 (or Beethoven - Symphony No. 3)

4 ) Nielsen - Symphony No. 4 (or Brahms - Symphony No. 4)

5 ) Maher - Symphony No. 5

6 ) Sibelius - Symphony No. 6 (or Beethoven - Symphony No. 6)

7 ) Dvorak - Symphony No. 7 (or Sibelius - Symphony No. 7 ... or Beethoven - Symphony No. 7)

8 ) Shostakovich - Symphony No. 8

9 ) Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 (or Dvorak - Symphony No. 9)

10 ) Mahler - Symphony No. 10 (Cooke completion)


Clear? Now you go. :)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Renfield on October 25, 2007, 03:33:14 PM
If I absolutely have to choose one for each:

Symphony No. 1 - Gustav Mahler

Symphony No. 2 - Jean Sibelius

Symphony No. 3 - Johannes Brahms (Though Beethoven comes pretty close, as could Bruckner, possibly.)

Symphony No. 4 - Anton Bruckner

Symphony No. 5 - Ludwig van Beethoven (Though Mahler is also pretty close: not close enough, however. ;))

Symphony No. 6 - Gustav Mahler

Symphony No. 7 - Anton Bruckner

Symphony No. 8 - Anton Bruckner (Ack, it feels like Mahler deserved this spot; but the 8th is Bruckner's turf, through and through.)

Symphony No. 9 - Ludwig van Beethoven (But see below!)

Symphony No. 10 - Gustav Mahler (Not the 10th, however: the 9th, written tenth in a row, counting "Das Lied". Yes, I had to cheat. :P)


Though don't take this as "binding", by any means: it's 3:25 in the morning, I haven't slept, I'm trying to initiate the process of starting to begin going to sleep (:o), and I'm just browsing around the forum, coming up with off-the-top-of-my-head lists. ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: not edward on October 25, 2007, 03:44:53 PM
1: Gerhard or Popov
2: Honegger
3: Beethoven (or possibly Lutoslawski or Brahms)
4: Sibelus and Shostakovich (or possibly Brahms, Mahler or Beethoven)
5: Bruckner and Nielsen
6: Mahler (but Hartmann and Prokofiev are so tempting)
7: Sibelius (or possibly Beethoven or Dvorak)
8: Beethoven (or possibly Bruckner)
9: Mahler or Bruckner
10: Mahler/Cooke
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Drasko on October 25, 2007, 03:54:47 PM
1 - Tchaikovsky/Popov
2 - Rachmaninov/Weill
3 - Sibelius
4 - Mahler/Schumann
5 - Honegger
6 - Prokofiev
7 - Bruckner/Sibelius
8 - Dvorak
9 - Bruckner/Mahler
10 - Shostakovich
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: mahlertitan on October 25, 2007, 03:57:45 PM
okay, i'll play.

1. Schumann Symphony No. 1
2. Schumann Symphony No. 2
3. Beethoven Symphony No. 3
4. Bruckner Symphony No. 4
5. Bruckner Symphony No. 5
6. Mahler Symphony No. 6
7. Bruckner Symphony No. 7
8. Bruckner Symphony No. 8
9. Bruckner Symphony No. 9
10. Schubert Symphony No. 10
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Novi on October 25, 2007, 04:01:14 PM
1) Bruckner - an idiosyncratic one, this one, going purely by a kickass performance I attended a couple of years ago (it was also the first time I'd ever heard this in fact)

2) Sibelius

3) Beethoven - an old favourite from pre-serious listening days

4) Brahms - another favourite, perhaps the first I encountered in my serious listening period

5) Tchaikovsky

6) Mahler

7) Beethoven

8) Bruckner; alternatively, Beethoven, for a bit of balance

9) Bruckner; Mahler - bruised and battered (in a good way!)

10) Shostakovich - to be honest, I don't have a great pool to choose from

40) Mozart ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 25, 2007, 04:06:23 PM
1 Brahms / Brian
2 Mahler
3 Beethoven / Brahms / Mahler
4 Brahms
5 Shostakovich / Tchaikovsky / Prokofiev
6 Mahler / Tchaikovsky / Beethoven
7 Bruckner / Pettersson / Beethoven
8 Bruckner
9 Bruckner / Beethoven / Dvorak
10 Shostakovich

This list has been certified as Elgar-free ........
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: hautbois on October 25, 2007, 04:07:49 PM
1 ) Nielsen- Symphony No. 1

2 ) Sibelius - Symphony No. 2

3 ) Boyce - Symphony No. 3

4 ) Brahms - Symphony No. 4

5 ) Bruckner - Symphony No. 5

6 ) Beethoven - Symphony No. 6

7 ) Shostakovich - Symphony No. 7

8 ) Dvorak - Symphony No. 8

9 ) Dvorak - Symphony No. 9

10 ) Mahler - Symphony No. 10

I tried so hard to resist the temptation of adding another in every category. We have such a wealth of great music blessed upon us. Amen!

Howard
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: hornteacher on October 25, 2007, 04:16:32 PM
1 - Brahms and Prokofiev
2 - Sibelius
3 - Beethoven and Copland
4 - Brahms and Tchaikovsky
5 - Beethoven and Shostakovich
6 - Dvorak
7 - Dvorak
8 - Dvorak
9 - Beethoven and Dvorak
10 - Shostakovich

40 - Mozart
100 - Haydn
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Brian on October 25, 2007, 05:15:53 PM

Honorable mentions are un-bolded.
1 - William Grant Still and Mahler
2 - Sibelius, Schubert and Dvorak
3 - Reinhold Gliere
4 - Brahms, Beethoven and Tchaikovsky
5 - Beethoven and Tchaikovsky
6 - Beethoven and Tchaikovsky
7 - Dvorak and Sibelius
8 - Dvorak
9 - Beethoven
10 - I've never actually heard a Symphony No. 10 as far as I can remember, so I'll use this spot for a symphony that's 10+: Mozart's Prague Symphony.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: some guy on October 25, 2007, 06:32:29 PM
1, Shostakovich
2, Prokofiev
3, Berlioz
4, Searle
5, Norgard
6, Nielsen
7, Sibelius
8, Bruckner
9, Beethoven
10, Henze
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: rubio on October 25, 2007, 07:39:45 PM
1. Brahms Symphony No. 1
2. Mahler Symphony No. 2
3. Beethoven Symphony No. 3
4. Brahms Symphony No. 4
5. Bruckner Symphony No. 5
6. Mahler Symphony No. 6
7. Beethoven Symphony No. 7
8. Bruckner Symphony No. 8
9. Bruckner Symphony No. 9
10. Shostakovich Symphony No. 10
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Brian on October 25, 2007, 07:41:37 PM

3, Berlioz


Romeo et Juliette?
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: jurajjak on October 25, 2007, 08:05:44 PM
1. Barber
2. Prokofiev
3. Saint-Saens/Schnittke
4. Ives
5. Prokofiev
6. Prokofiev/Vaughan Williams/Tchaikovsky
7. Pettersson
8. Kabelac (for chorus, organ, and percussion)
9.  Mahler
10. Myakovksy
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Bonehelm on October 25, 2007, 08:33:20 PM
1. Mahler
2. Mahler
3. Beethoven
4. Brahms
5. Beethoven
6. Tchaikovsky
7. Bruckner
8. Mahler // Bruckner
9. Beethoven
10. Mahler
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: The new erato on October 25, 2007, 09:11:11 PM
The thread title says symphonies, not symphonists,
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 25, 2007, 09:50:30 PM
1 ) Mahler, Elgar - Symphony No. 1

2 ) Mahler, Sibelius, Elgar - Symphony No. 2

3 ) Beethoven - Symphony No. 3

4 ) Bruckner, Brahms - Symphony No. 4

5 ) Mahler, Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5

6 ) Beethoven, Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6

7 ) Beethoven, Bruckner - Symphony No. 7

8 ) Shostakovich, Bruckner, Schubert - Symphony No. 8

9 ) Dvorak, Mahler - Symphony No. 9

10 ) Mahler - Symphony No. 10

11 ) Shostakovich, couldn't leave this out as its one of my faves  8)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: val on October 26, 2007, 12:06:30 AM
SCHUMANN:    Simphony 1 

SCHUMANN:    Symphony 2

BEETHOVEN:   Symphony 3

BRAHMS:        Symphony 4

BRUCKNER:     Symphony 5

MAHLER:        Symphony 6

BEETHOVEN:   Symphony 7

BRUCKNER:     Symphony 8

BRUCKNER:     Symphony 9
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Florestan on October 26, 2007, 01:02:30 AM
Sibelius Sym 1
Brahms Sym 2
Mahler Sym 3
Beethoven Sym 4
Tchaikovsky Sym 5
Tchaikovsky Sym 6
Beethoven Sym 7
Beethoven Sym 8
Schubert Sym 9

........

Mozart Sym 39

(List subjected to change without prior notice :) )


Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Renfield on October 26, 2007, 01:59:32 AM
Blame the lack of sleep, but I completely forgot dear Dimitri (Shostakovich)! :o

Well, in that case the last two positions definitely change to:

Symphony No. 9 - Gustav Mahler (The proper way, this time: no cheating.)
Symphony No. 10 - Dimitri Shostakovich


Shame the Beethoven 9th is left out, though. But Mahler's 9th... 0:)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Wendell_E on October 26, 2007, 02:20:53 AM
The thread title says symphonies, not symphonists,

I think people are trying to save a few keystrokes, so instead of typing:

1. Sibelius Symphony No. 1
2. Brahms Symphony No. 2, etc.

they just put:

1. Sibelius
2. Brahms, etc.

My list:

1. Mahler, Symphony No. 1
2. Mahler, Symphony No. 2
3. Mahler, Symphony No. 3
4. Mahler, Symphony No. 4
5. Mahler, Symphony No. 5
6. Mahler, Symphony No. 6
7. Mahler, Symphony No. 7
8. Mahler, Symphony No. 8
9. Mahler, Symphony No. 9
10. Mahler/Cooke, Symphony No. 10

I'm kidding, but somebody had to do it.  And it's not that far from my real list. 
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 26, 2007, 02:29:57 AM
This is fun :) I only want to mention each name once:

1: Beethoven
2: Brahms
3: Sibelius
4: Shostakovich
5: Tchaikovsky
6: Vaughan Williams
7: Dvořák/Pettersson (tie)
8: Bruckner
9: Arnold
10: Simpson
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: sidoze on October 26, 2007, 02:32:38 AM
1-Popov
2-Sibelius/Krenek
3-Prokofiev
4-Shostakovich
5-Nielsen
6-Tchaikovsky/Hartmann
7-Mahler/Bruckner/Sibelius
8-Shostakovich
9-Bruckner
10-Shostakovich
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: The new erato on October 26, 2007, 04:07:38 AM
Beethoven 3.
Brahms 1.
Mahler 6.
Mahler: ”Lied von der Erde”.
Nielsen 4.
Vaughan Williams 4.
Vaughan Williams 6.
Sibelius 7.
Shostakovich 4.
Allan Petterson 7.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: karlhenning on October 26, 2007, 04:34:19 AM
♪ Vaughan Williams, A Sea Symphony
♪ Prokofiev Second, Opus 40
♪ Nielsen Third, Sinfonia espansiva, Opus 27
♪ Shostakovich Fourth, Opus 43
♪ Tchaikovsky Fifth, Opus 64
♪ Sibelius Sixth, Opus 104
♪ Dvořák Seventh, Opus 70
♪ Shostakovich Eighth, Opus 65
♪ Shostakovich Ninth, Opus 70
♪ Shostakovich Tenth, Opus 93
Unnumbered:: Berlioz, Roméo et Juliette, Opus 17
Latin name:: Britten, Sinfonia da requiem, Opus 20
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Don on October 26, 2007, 04:43:13 AM
Sym. 1 - Shostakovich
Sym. 2 - Mahler
Sym. 3 - Mahler
Sym. 4 - Mahler
Sym. 5 - Mahler
Sym. 6 - Mahler
Sym. 7 - Bruckner
Sym. 8 - Shostakovich
Sym. 9 - Beethoven
Sym. 10 - Beethoven
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: matti on October 26, 2007, 04:47:45 AM
One each:

1. Kalinnikov
2. Brahms
3. Sibelius
4. Schumann
5. Tchaikovsky
6. Prokofiev
7. Aho
8. Beethoven
9. Schubert
10. Shostakovich
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Kullervo on October 26, 2007, 04:58:45 AM
Oh... this is too tempting, but there are so many symphonies I haven't heard. I respectfully abstain. :)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Keemun on October 26, 2007, 05:00:38 AM
9: Arnold

Wow, Arnold Symphony No. 9 must be one great symphony to beat out the likes of Beethoven, Bruckner, Dvorak and Mahler, to name a few.  I'll have to check it out.


Here's my list:

Brahms 1
Mahler 2
Beethoven 3
Brahms 4
Sibelius 5
Tchaikovsky 6
Pettersson 7
Bruckner 8
Beethoven 9
Mahler 10

Numbers 1 and 10 were hard for me because I have yet to hear a symphony no. 1 or 10 that I would include on a "normal" top 10 list. 
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 26, 2007, 05:02:53 AM
Symphony #1 D minor Havergal Brian

Symphony #2 Charles Ives

Symphony #3 "Sinfonia Espansiva" Carl Nielsen

Symphony #4 C sharp minor Albéric Magnard

Symphony #5 E flat Jean Sibelius

Symphony #6 A minor Gustav Mahler

Symphony #7 Alan Pettersson

Symphony #8 C minor Anton Bruckner

Symphony #9 Ralph Vaughan Williams

Symphony #10 "Yon Hall of Thunder" Rued Langgaard


Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 26, 2007, 05:06:32 AM
♪ Nielsen Third, Sinfonia espansiva, Opus 27

Symphony #3 "Sinfonia Espansiva" Carl Nielsen

Great minds, etc...  8)

Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: karlhenning on October 26, 2007, 05:08:24 AM
And I tip my hat to your no. 10, Sarge, which is a brilliant piece!
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Cato on October 26, 2007, 05:28:01 AM
This topic disses Mozart,  Haydn, Brian, Miaskovsky, and Hovhaness!   0:)

But okay!

Again, like with Fritos, you can't pick just one!  Bold-type indicates my special recommendation of a composer who might not readily come to mind.

1. Bruckner, Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Ives, Hartmann, Ernst Chausson (!),  Hans Rott (!!!)
2. Mahler, Rimsky-Korsakov, Prokofiev, Ives, Schumann Ernst Krenek,
3. Schumann, Scriabin, Bruckner, Prokofiev, Gliere, Alexander Tcherepnin
4. Bruckner, Beethoven, Brahms, Scriabin, Ives, Ernst Toch
5. Mahler, Bruckner, Sibelius, Scriabin, Ernst Krenek
6. Mahler, Bruckner, Prokofiev, Dvorak, Karl Amadeus Hartmann
7. Beethoven, Bruckner, Mahler, Sibelius, Karl Amadeus Hartmann
8. Bruckner, Mahler, Schubert, Karl Amadeus Hartmann
9. Bruckner, Beethoven, Mahler, Dvorak, Shostakovich
10. Mahler, Mahler, Mahler, Mahler, Shostakovich
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 26, 2007, 05:31:52 AM
Wow, Arnold Symphony No. 9 must be one great symphony to beat out the likes of Beethoven, Bruckner, Dvorak and Mahler, to name a few.  I'll have to check it out.

I would be more objective (or not bother posting) if it was a list of greatest ones :P :P It's objectively vastly inferior to Beet's 9th, but Arnold's cycle is fun, and the later symphonies connect with me.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 26, 2007, 05:33:12 AM
Symphony #1 D minor Havergal Brian

Symphony #2 Charles Ives

Symphony #3 "Sinfonia Espansiva" Carl Nielsen

Symphony #4 C sharp minor Albéric Magnard

Symphony #5 E flat Jean Sibelius

Symphony #6 A minor Gustav Mahler

Symphony #7 Alan Pettersson

Symphony #8 C minor Anton Bruckner

Symphony #9 Ralph Vaughan Williams

Symphony #10 "Yon Hall of Thunder" Rued Langgaard

very cool list.

How could the rest of us forget  "Yon Hall of Thunder" ?
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 26, 2007, 05:33:40 AM
How could the rest of us forget  "Yon Hall of Thunder" ?

I'm kicking myself... :)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: greg on October 26, 2007, 05:42:24 AM
i hate be this simple

1- Brahms
2- Mahler
3- Mahler
4- Brahms
5- Prokofiev/Mahler (tie)
6- Mahler
7- Prokofiev/Mahler (tie)
8- Schubert
9- Mahler
10- Mahler

can we go over?
11- Shostakovich
12- Shostakovich
13- Shostakovich
14- Shostakovich
15- Shostakovich  ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Keemun on October 26, 2007, 05:46:28 AM
I would be more objective (or not bother posting) if it was a list of greatest ones :P :P It's objectively vastly inferior to Beet's 9th, but Arnold's cycle is fun, and the later symphonies connect with me.

I'm listening to excerpts of it right now on Naxos' website.  :)   I like discovering music by composers I've never heard before.  I figure if it's someone's favorite (and they aren't a complete idiot about classical music), then it's worth looking into.  This thread is a great resource for me. 
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Kullervo on October 26, 2007, 05:57:12 AM

♪ Sibelius Sixth, Opus 104


Nice. I would have a hard choice choosing between that and the 7th.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 26, 2007, 05:59:08 AM
I'm listening to excerpts of it right now on Naxos' website.  :)   I like discovering music by composers I've never heard before.  I figure if it's someone's favorite (and they aren't a complete idiot about classical music), then it's worth looking into.  This thread is a great resource for me. 

Me too :) I hadn't even heard of Robert Simpson before this forum, but came to enjoy his symphonies and quartets (despite them being rather hard going) after a few people on this forum mentioned him. If there was space for a symphony no.11 on the list, his would be there :D

My favourite Arnold symphony is #7, but that area has far too much competition for him to survive on this list :P His style is neat, a little more snappy and sarcastic than most British composers - slightly reminicent of Shostakovich.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: MishaK on October 26, 2007, 07:01:35 AM
0 - Bruckner "Nullte"

1 - Berlioz (fantastique)

2 - Brahms No.2

3 - Schumann "Rhenish"

4 - Brahms No.4

5 - Mahler No.5

6 - Beethoven "Pastoral"

7 - Beethoven No.7

8 - Schubert No.8 "Unfinished"

9 - Bruckner No.9

10 - Schostakovich No.10

Boring, I know.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Peregrine on October 26, 2007, 07:09:06 AM
1. Brahms/Sibelius/Beethoven
2. Sibelius/Brahms
3. Beethoven/Mahler/Brahms
4. Mahler/Brahms/Tchaikovsky
5. Mahler/Sibelius/Shostakovich/Tchaikovsky
6. Sibelius/Beethoven/Tchaikovsky
7. Sibelius
8. Schubert/Shostakovich/Sibelius ;) Tapiola?
9. Beethoven/Mahler/Schubert
10. Shostakovich/Mahler
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 07:11:13 AM
Wow! :o Hasn't this thread taken off since last night!

Great choices, people. Some new names there for me to explore. Nice to see (almost) everyone got the point without me having to explain it. ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: The new erato on October 26, 2007, 07:14:47 AM

Having reread the initial posting:

Brahms 1
Mahler 2
Beethoven 3
Vaughan Williams 4
Nielsen 5
Mahler 6
Petterson 7
Shostakovich 8
Bruckner 9
Shostakovich 10
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 07:22:07 AM
Having reread the initial posting:

Brahms 1
Mahler 2
Beethoven 3
Vaughan Williams 4
Nielsen 5
Mahler 6
Petterson 7
Shostakovich 8
Bruckner 9
Shostakovich 10


Hurrah! :D

Now all the flock are safely gathered in.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 26, 2007, 07:27:33 AM
In the spirit of reworking former posts:

Having reread the initial posting:

Brahms 1
Mahler 2
Beethoven 3
Vaughan Williams 4 Brahms 4
Nielsen 5
Mahler 6
Petterson 7
Shostakovich 8
Bruckner 9
Shostakovich 10



Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 26, 2007, 07:30:39 AM
In the spirit of reworking former posts:

>:(

Brahms 1 Vaughan Williams 1
Mahler 2 Vaughan Williams 2
Beethoven 3 Vaughan Williams 3
Vaughan Williams 4 Brahms 4  Vaughan Williams 4
Nielsen 5 Vaughan Williams 5
Mahler 6 Vaughan Williams 6
Petterson 7 Vaughan Williams 7
Shostakovich 8 Vaughan Williams 8
Bruckner 9 Vaughan Williams 9
Shostakovich 10  Vaughan Williams Tuba Concerto

0:)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 26, 2007, 07:31:55 AM
>:(

0:)

LOL

The Tuba Concerto has my vote!  :D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: MishaK on October 26, 2007, 07:37:25 AM
Vaughan Williams 4

Definitely my RVW symphony. Had it been numbered 8 it would have made my list possibly. But there are just too many great 4s. Would have liked to have added Glazunov 5 as well, but too many good 5s.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: AnthonyAthletic on October 26, 2007, 07:49:02 AM
♪ Vaughan Williams, A Sea Symphony
♪ Prokofiev Second, Opus 40
♪ Nielsen Third, Sinfonia espansiva, Opus 27
♪ Shostakovich Fourth, Opus 43
♪ Tchaikovsky Fifth, Opus 64
♪ Sibelius Sixth, Opus 104
♪ Dvořák Seventh, Opus 70
♪ Shostakovich Eighth, Opus 65
♪ Shostakovich Ninth, Opus 70
♪ Shostakovich Tenth, Opus 93
Unnumbered:: Berlioz, Roméo et Juliette, Opus 17
Latin name:: Britten, Sinfonia da requiem, Opus 20


Explain yourself Sir,

Where's the Bruckner & the Mahler?

Those Tea Parties you throw must be pretty boring  ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 26, 2007, 07:50:51 AM
Explain yourself Sir,

Where's the Bruckner & the Mahler?

The Britten symphony is almost Mahler (and then there's the Shostakovich... :D) :P
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Cato on October 26, 2007, 08:06:28 AM
LOL

The Tuba Concerto has my vote!  :D

This is getting unfair!   $:)

How about the Piano Concerto for Orchestra and Chorus by Busoni?     8)

Look, it's basically as long as a Mahler symphony (70 minutes), and better than any symphony by e.g. Glazunov!

It can have my vote for 10 1/2!  (And Fellini votes for 8 1/2.)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: not edward on October 26, 2007, 08:11:29 AM
This is getting unfair!   $:)

How about the Piano Concerto for Orchestra and Chorus by Busoni?     8)

Look, it's basically as long as a Mahler symphony (70 minutes), and better than any symphony by e.g. Glazunov!

It can have my vote for 10 1/2!  (And Fellini votes for 8 1/2.)
And it was originally titled Symphonie italienne.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Cato on October 26, 2007, 08:34:29 AM
And it was originally titled Symphonie italienne.

So there! 

And maybe 10 3/4 can be the "Universe" Symphony by Scriabin, aka  Prefatory Action .
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Brian on October 26, 2007, 10:35:25 AM
Symphony #10 "Yon Hall of Thunder" Rued Langgaard
Let's all just go ahead and agree that Langgaard wrote the best titles for music of any composer. Isn't it his Thirteenth Symphony that has a movement called "Amok! A Composer Explodes" ?  ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: karlhenning on October 26, 2007, 10:40:59 AM
Close, Brian! The Twelfth Symphony, Hélsingeborg.  And not a discrete movement;  that marking must be for a passage in the score of a single-movement 7-minute symphony.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 26, 2007, 10:49:08 AM
I really wanna hear Yon Hall of Thunder now :( Can anyone recommend a recording?
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 26, 2007, 10:52:39 AM
I really wanna hear Yon Hall of Thunder now :( Can anyone recommend a recording?

There are two to choose from.  You have a 50/50 chance of acquiring the best version (if you buy only one).
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Brian on October 26, 2007, 10:56:02 AM
I really wanna hear Yon Hall of Thunder now :( Can anyone recommend a recording?
I want to hear it too, but am content to wait until 2008-9, sometime during which Thomas Dausgaard will release the symphony in his ongoing (absolutely brilliant) Dacapo cycle. Until then, his 2 ,3, 4, 5, 12, 13, and 14 are already out. :)

Ah, thanks Karl ~ a mighty odd little work, too, as I recall.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: karlhenning on October 26, 2007, 10:56:40 AM
I really wanna hear Yon Hall of Thunder now :( Can anyone recommend a recording?

Danish National Radio Symphony and Ole Schmidt on Danacord, Lethe.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: not edward on October 26, 2007, 12:02:33 PM
I want to hear it too, but am content to wait until 2008-9, sometime during which Thomas Dausgaard will release the symphony in his ongoing (absolutely brilliant) Dacapo cycle. Until then, his 2 ,3, 4, 5, 12, 13, and 14 are already out. :)

Ah, thanks Karl ~ a mighty odd little work, too, as I recall.
Not to mention the outstanding 6th (on a disc with the 7th and 8th).

I admit I've shied off a lot of Langgaard because I find him more miss than hit, but the 4th and 6th get a lot of listening time here. Are any of the other symphonies in a similar vein to those two?
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: quintett op.57 on October 26, 2007, 12:32:31 PM
1 ) Liszt - Faust-Symphony / Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique

2 ) Berlioz - Harold in Italy / Rachmaninov - Symphony No. 2

3 ) Nielsen - Symphony No. 3 / Berlioz - Romeo & Juliet / Hindemith - Symphonia Serena

4 ) Schumann - Symphony No. 4

5 ) Bruckner - Symphony No. 5

6 ) Beethoven - Symphony No. 6

7 ) Shostakovich - Symphony No. 7 / Pettersson - Symphony No. 7

8 ) Schubert - "Unfinished" Symphony

9 ) Bruckner - Symphony No. 9

10 ) Shostakovich - Symphony No. 10

Then, many Haydn's ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: CS on October 26, 2007, 01:57:53 PM
Rough Draft:

01) Elgar / Hartmann / Sibelius / Walton
02) Brahms / Sibelius / Prokofiev
03) Arnold / Bruckner / Hartmann / Nørgård
04) Beethoven / Mahler / Nielsen / Sibelius
05) Beethoven / Bruckner / Mahler / Nielsen / Shostakovich
06) Hartmann / Prokofiev
07) Beethoven / Bruckner
08) Bruckner
09) Beethoven / Bruckner

Final:

01) Sibelius
02) Brahms
03) Hartmann
04) Mahler
05) Nielsen
06) Hartmann
07) Beethoven
08) Bruckner
09) Beethoven
10) Shostakovich
11) Pettersson
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 02:12:21 PM
Tell you one thing that's struck me about the choices in this thread: the number of people who went for the Sibelius No. 2. I thought it was regarded as a bit of an old warhorse and that his Nos. 4, 5, 6 and 7 were the only ones folks generally admitted to liking. ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Papy Oli on October 26, 2007, 02:16:51 PM
that's a work in progress, as there still a lot of symphonies I have yet to discover (Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, early Dvorak, Prokofiev, RVW, Haydn, Brian, Nielsen, to name a few...)

1 - Mahler
2 - Mahler (Bruckner & Sibelius are also quite listened to, but not on the level of Mahler's)
3 - Gorecki
4 - Schumann (Brahms slightly behind)
5 - Beethoven (Mahler slightly behind)
6 - Mahler
7 - n/a
8 - Schubert / Bruckner
9 - Dvorak / Beethoven
10 - n/a
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
Nice to see Gorecki making it in for you, papy. ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Kullervo on October 26, 2007, 02:21:37 PM

03) Arnold / Bruckner / Hartmann / Nørgård


*applause*
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Renfield on October 26, 2007, 02:22:57 PM
Tell you one thing that's struck me about the choices in this thread: the number of people who went for the Sibelius No. 2. I thought it was regarded as a bit of an old warhorse and that his Nos. 4, 5, 6 and 7 were the only ones folks generally admitted to liking. ;D

Shame on them if they don't realise how special the Sibelius 2nd is! 8)

(Or not. I mean, I know I like it, and I know it represents Sibelius' art more than any other work of his, in my opinion. Perhaps the "old warhorse" stereotype originates from the people that only ever notice and pay attention to its last movement? ;D)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 02:26:13 PM
Shame on them if they don't realise how special the Sibelius 2nd is! 8)

(Or not. I mean, I know I like it, and I know it represents Sibelius' art more than any other work of his, in my opinion. Perhaps the "old warhorse" stereotype originates from the people that only ever notice and pay attention to its last movement? ;D)

I love it, too. My favourite of his seven, followed closely by Nos. 6, 7 and 3.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Papy Oli on October 26, 2007, 02:33:08 PM
Nice to see Gorecki making it in for you, papy. ;)

 :)

Well, let's put it that way : I have put in the list the symphonies i keep going back to very regularly with real enjoyment, within the ones I own... Maybe Beethoven's should be in 3, but the fact of the matter is that, besides his 5th and his 9th, the rest hasn't really registered with me... likewise for the 7th, neither his, nor anybody else's has yet reached a "status" of favourite of mine in terms of repeated plays. Ditto for the 10th, I have Ormandy's Mahler for this one, but not yet a regular either.

I should set myself a reminder to review that list in a year's time ...could be interesting to see the evolution. ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: hornteacher on October 26, 2007, 02:37:44 PM
I love it, too. My favourite of his seven, followed closely by Nos. 6, 7 and 3.

I find #2 the most accessible of the seven, at least for me.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Kullervo on October 26, 2007, 02:39:19 PM
Shame on them if they don't realise how special the Sibelius 2nd is! 8)

(Or not. I mean, I know I like it, and I know it represents Sibelius' art more than any other work of his, in my opinion. Perhaps the "old warhorse" stereotype originates from the people that only ever notice and pay attention to its last movement? ;D)

I don't agree. I think he really came into his own with the third.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 02:40:30 PM
Ditto for the 10th, I have Ormandy's Mahler for this one, but not yet a regular either.

Not suggesting this year's BBC Proms performance was the greatest, but why not grab it for free anyhow? ;D

Mahler - Symphony No. 10 (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c08a753ba0d7d6e9ab1eab3e9fa335caff3dab5b0105470e)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: gmstudio on October 26, 2007, 02:44:23 PM
1. Rangstrom
2. Hovhaness
3. Lutoskawski
4. Melartin
5. Holmboe
6. Atterberg
7. Holmboe
8. Atterberg
9. Pettersson
10. Tubin



And yes, I'm serious.  :)   I haven't listened to the 'big guys' in a very, very long time.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 02:45:48 PM
A mention of Tubin. Interesting. He's among those composers whose work I've long been meaning to check out.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 26, 2007, 02:50:17 PM
Rough Draft:

01) Elgar / Hartmann / Sibelius / Walton
02) Brahms / Sibelius / Prokofiev
03) Arnold / Bruckner / Hartmann / Nørgård
04) Beethoven / Mahler / Nielsen / Sibelius
05) Beethoven / Bruckner / Mahler / Nielsen / Shostakovich
06) Hartmann / Prokofiev
07) Beethoven / Bruckner
08) Bruckner
09) Beethoven / Bruckner

Final:

01) Sibelius
02) Brahms
03) Hartmann
04) Mahler
05) Nielsen
06) Hartmann
07) Beethoven
08) Bruckner
09) Beethoven
10) Shostakovich
11) Pettersson

I agree that there isn't any competition for the #8 spot: Bruckner 8 all the way!

And I like the way you slipped in Pettersson 11!
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Papy Oli on October 26, 2007, 02:50:58 PM
Not suggesting this year's BBC Proms performance was the greatest, but why not grab it for free anyhow? ;D

Mahler - Symphony No. 10 (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c08a753ba0d7d6e9ab1eab3e9fa335caff3dab5b0105470e)

cheers Mark, will check this one out !
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 02:52:26 PM
cheers Mark, will check this one out !

Should play okay: I captured and edited it myself. 0:)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: gmstudio on October 26, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
I've added some "runners up" in italics...

1. Rangstrom - Hashimoto, Martinu, Melartin, Pfitzner
2. Hovhaness - Norgard, Chavez, Rorem
3. Lutoskawski - Melartin, Martinu, Glass, Peterson-Berger
4. Melartin - Antheil, Langgard, Rangstrom
5. Holmboe - Alwyn, Greenberg, Melartin, Tubin
6. Atterberg - Fernstrom, Holmboe
7. Holmboe - Rautavaara, Pettersson
8. Atterberg -
9. Pettersson - Arnold, Atterberg
10. Tubin - Holmboe



And yes, I'm serious.  :)   I haven't listened to the 'big guys' in a very, very long time.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Papy Oli on October 26, 2007, 02:57:20 PM
I've added some "runners up" in italics...


I have never heard any of the names in the first X, let alone the subs on the bench....  :-\ :-[

Ignorance WAS bliss....  ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: gmstudio on October 26, 2007, 02:59:38 PM
I have never heard any of the names in the first X, let alone the subs on the bench....  :-\ :-[

Ignorance WAS bliss....  ;D

I learned about most of them from this forum!
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: longears on October 26, 2007, 05:08:19 PM
Hmmm...

1) Sibelius
2) Sibelius Mahler Prokofiev Hovhaness Mahler
3) Sibelius Beethoven Mendelssohn Brahms Sibelius
4) Sibelius Mahler Nielsen Beethoven Mahler Sibelius
5) Sibelius!
6) Sibelius Mahler Prokofiev Bax RVW Bruckner Dvorák Beethoven
7) Sibelius Mahler Dvorák Bruckner Rautavaara Beethoven
8) Sibelius (I wish!) Dvorák Bruckner
9) Beethoven Mahler Bruckner Dvorák Beethoven
10)   
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: DavidW on October 26, 2007, 05:59:41 PM
We have done this before, and it's still a bad idea for listmania.

This concept for the list artificially disfavors symphonies that are not numbered from 1-10.  And it also tends to focus the posters on a handful of composers that wrote the modest Beethoven-ian number of symphonies.  For instance nobody in their right mind would put Mozart or Haydn on the list because their first ten symphonies were not great.  Nobody would put Stravinsky on the list because his symphonies are not numbered.

You want to make list making refreshing, interesting?  That's impossible because lists are boring.  We are talking about PASSIONATE MUSIC DAMNIT!  You don't categorize, list it, inventory it... YOU EXPERIENCE IT!!!  Stop treating your listening like a damned stamp collection!
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: longears on October 26, 2007, 06:01:11 PM
I think you forgot to take your meds today.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: not edward on October 26, 2007, 06:06:59 PM
We have done this before, and it's still a bad idea for listmania.

This concept for the list artificially disfavors symphonies that are not numbered from 1-10.  And it also tends to focus the posters on a handful of composers that wrote the modest Beethoven-ian number of symphonies.  For instance nobody in their right mind would put Mozart or Haydn on the list because their first ten symphonies were not great.  Nobody would put Stravinsky on the list because his symphonies are not numbered.

You want to make list making refreshing, interesting?  That's impossible because lists are boring.  We are talking about PASSIONATE MUSIC DAMNIT!  You don't categorize, list it, inventory it... YOU EXPERIENCE IT!!!  Stop treating your listening like a damned stamp collection!
I'm sure it is.

However, this sort of list is a great way to bang a drum for some of the more undeservingly neglected works in the repertoire out there. If just one person decides to explore Popov's First or Hartmann's Sixth as a result of reading this thread, I think it'll have more than served its purpose.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: DavidW on October 26, 2007, 06:13:21 PM
I'm sure it is.

However, this sort of list is a great way to bang a drum for some of the more undeservingly neglected works in the repertoire out there. If just one person decides to explore Popov's First or Hartmann's Sixth as a result of reading this thread, I think it'll have more than served its purpose.

Well honestly that is a good sentiment.  But I don't know if that actually works because all I saw were the big names in this thread because it's hard to read lists in a non-cursory fashion.  However I've seen the Hartmann threads, and it did get me to listen to the sixth.  And for me, the specific composers in general work way more than lists do.

Writing those symphonies on a list doesn't make them sound compelling, something to look forward to listen to.  It doesn't have much of an impact.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 26, 2007, 07:05:13 PM
1 - Sauguet
2 - Schubert
3 - Beethoven
4 - Brahms and Sibelius
5 - Bruckner
6 - Bruckner and Pettersson
7 - Shostakovich and Pettersson
8 - Bruckner
9 - Bruckner

I agreee with DavidW, but I couldn't resist ;D.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Brian on October 26, 2007, 07:08:38 PM
Hmmm...

1) Sibelius
2) Sibelius Mahler Prokofiev Hovhaness Mahler
3) Sibelius Beethoven Mendelssohn Brahms Sibelius
4) Sibelius Mahler Nielsen Beethoven Mahler Sibelius
5) Sibelius!
6) Sibelius Mahler Prokofiev Bax RVW Bruckner Dvorák Beethoven
7) Sibelius Mahler Dvorák Bruckner Rautavaara Beethoven
8) Sibelius (I wish!) Dvorák Bruckner
9) Beethoven Mahler Bruckner Dvorák Beethoven
10)   
  ;D  best thing I've seen all day!
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2007, 11:32:38 PM
We have done this before, and it's still a bad idea for listmania.

This concept for the list artificially disfavors symphonies that are not numbered from 1-10.  And it also tends to focus the posters on a handful of composers that wrote the modest Beethoven-ian number of symphonies.  For instance nobody in their right mind would put Mozart or Haydn on the list because their first ten symphonies were not great.  Nobody would put Stravinsky on the list because his symphonies are not numbered.

You want to make list making refreshing, interesting?  That's impossible because lists are boring.  We are talking about PASSIONATE MUSIC DAMNIT!  You don't categorize, list it, inventory it... YOU EXPERIENCE IT!!!  Stop treating your listening like a damned stamp collection!

Jeez, David, you used to be more fun. ::)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 27, 2007, 03:51:01 AM
Writing those symphonies on a list doesn't make them sound compelling, something to look forward to listen to.  It doesn't have much of an impact.

I don't agree. My mention of Langgaard's 10th, for example, set off a flurry of interest, with a number of people expressing a wish to hear it. And all I did was "list" it.

Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 27, 2007, 03:55:17 AM
You want to make list making refreshing, interesting?  That's impossible because lists are boring.

There appear to be two types in this world: those who love to make lists and enjoy reading them; and those who don't. There is no doubt which group you belong to, David  ;D

We are talking about PASSIONATE MUSIC DAMNIT!  You don't categorize, list it, inventory it... YOU EXPERIENCE IT!!!  Stop treating your listening like a damned stamp collection!

Believe it or not, it's possible to make lists AND experience the music passionately. One does not cancel out the other.

Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 27, 2007, 03:58:08 AM
I want to hear it too, but am content to wait until 2008-9, sometime during which Thomas Dausgaard will release the symphony in his ongoing (absolutely brilliant) Dacapo cycle.

 ???

I already have it:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/ngmg/lang9.jpg)

Or is he re-recording it?

Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: not edward on October 27, 2007, 03:59:33 AM
I don't agree. My mention of Langgaard's 10th, for example, set off a flurry of interest, with a number of people expressing a wish to hear it. And all I did was "list" it.

Sarge
So...how is Langgaard's 10th, stylistically, anyway?

I can't remember which thread I posted in before (this one, probably) but I like the 4th and 6th but find the 5th, 7th and 8th less interesting.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 27, 2007, 04:08:57 AM
This concept for the list artificially disfavors symphonies that are not numbered from 1-10.  And it also tends to focus the posters on a handful of composers that wrote the modest Beethoven-ian number of symphonies.

Well, there's nothing stopping you from making a list of the top 104  ;D  ...though after number 41 it would be nothing but Haydn and Dittersdorf versus Segerstam and Hohvaness....making for a pretty boring list because Haydn would occupy all 63 slots.

Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 27, 2007, 04:18:45 AM
There's an easy workaround for Haydn: the symphony number in the list equals the first digit of his symphony numbers, so no.4 can be any of the 40s, etc :)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 27, 2007, 04:31:26 AM
So...how is Langgaard's 10th, stylistically, anyway? I like the 4th...

The Tenth shares some things in common with the Fourth. Both symphonies are in the unusual key of E flat minor and both evoke nature. The Tenth is more a tone poem than a true symphony and, stylistically, Late Romantic. It's in one movement and recalls Strauss and Scriabin. Expect over-the-top emotion. It has a cinematic sweep and would make a great soundtrack to a ghost story or Hitchcockian thriller set in some isolated, desolate location.

Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: DavidW on October 27, 2007, 04:44:29 AM
Well, there's nothing stopping you from making a list of the top 104 

The fact that I'm not an idiot stops me from doing that.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: DavidW on October 27, 2007, 04:52:57 AM
Believe it or not, it's possible to make lists AND experience the music passionately. One does not cancel out the other.

Sarge

Thanks for the superficial Sarge, it just shows that you failed to comprehend what I wrote. ::)

Let me rephrase it-- listmaking threads reaffirm some of the posters' perception that music is about collecting shiny metal objects as a hobby.  Comparing your tops on a thread like this is much like comparing baseball cards.  And yes it's also true that you can be passionate about baseball and collect baseball cards, but baseball fans differentiate between watching a game and collecting cards because they are different.  For the most part the music collection is what you listen to, they are too close together and you get confused as many here do and confuse passion for music with passion for collecting.  They stop associating the music with the experience and start associating it with the purchases.  That is not to say that they stop liking music! :D  No that is just to say that they driven by the compulsion to build and admire their collection more than they are driven to just simply listen to music.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: locrian on October 27, 2007, 04:54:25 AM
Thanks for the superficial Sarge, it just shows that you failed to comprehend what I wrote. ::)

Let me rephrase it-- listmaking threads reaffirm some of the posters' perception that music is about collecting shiny metal objects as a hobby.  Comparing your tops on a thread like this is much like comparing baseball cards.  And yes it's also true that you can be passionate about baseball and collect baseball cards, but baseball fans differentiate between watching a game and collecting cards because they are different.  For the most part the music collection is what you listen to, they are too close together and you get confused as many here do and confuse passion for music with passion for collecting.  They stop associating the music with the experience and start associating it with the purchases.  That is not to say that they stop liking music! :D  No that is just to say that they driven by the compulsion to build and admire their collection more than they are driven to just simply listen to music.

I like it.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 27, 2007, 05:22:38 AM
Thanks for the superficial Sarge, it just shows that you failed to comprehend what I wrote. ::)

Let me rephrase it-- listmaking threads reaffirm some of the posters' perception that music is about collecting shiny metal objects as a hobby.

That's nonsense.

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Comparing your tops on a thread like this is much like comparing baseball cards.  And yes it's also true that you can be passionate about baseball and collect baseball cards, but baseball fans differentiate between watching a game and collecting cards because they are different.

Your analogy makes no sense. Baseball cards aren't the game, that's true...but CDs ARE the music...it's how we listen to the music; it's how we hear many different interpretations of the music.

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For the most part the music collection is what you listen to, they are too close together and you get confused as many here do and confuse passion for music with passion for collecting.  They stop associating the music with the experience and start associating it with the purchases.  That is not to say that they stop liking music! :D  No that is just to say that they driven by the compulsion to build and admire their collection more than they are driven to just simply listen to music.

Ridiculous argument. Telling people (via a list) which works of music you love somehow means that one is driven to build a collection, not listen to it? Huh???

Can you please tell me who exactly in this forum, which posters in this thread "build and admire their collection more than they are driven to just simply listen to music." Names please, and then explain how you know that. The only reason I've ever bought a CD is because I want to listen to it. It has no other purpose.

Your lack of comprehension of why people collect music or make lists appalls me...as does your curmudgeonly judgmental attitude. As Mark said, you used to be more fun.

Sarge
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: longears on October 27, 2007, 05:54:43 AM
One reason I visit this forum is to be alerted to music or recordings that might interest me.  Some lists help me learn who shares my tastes, so their recommendations of the unfamiliar will likely carry more weight than others.  They also show me whose taste does not coincide with my own, so I know to discount their recommendations. Sometimes lists change my mind about posters as I learn their tastes are more catholic than I'd thought.  And lists by those whose taste I already admire trigger interest in unfamiliar composers, works, and recordings.

Lists can also be entertaining.  Mark's recent list threads, like this one, are a case in point.  And lists sometimes cause me to re-examine my preferences, which do change over time and with exposure.  For instance, I'm unlikely to have held Prokofiev's 2nd symphony in such high esteem had I not heard a smashing performance by Gergiev and the Kirov at Mondavi a few years ago.

Others, of course, do not have to share my enjoyment of lists.  If I thought they sucked on principle, as some posters here claim, I would simply avoid them as not worth my time.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: greg on October 27, 2007, 06:14:17 AM
Not suggesting this year's BBC Proms performance was the greatest, but why not grab it for free anyhow? ;D

Mahler - Symphony No. 10 (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c08a753ba0d7d6e9ab1eab3e9fa335caff3dab5b0105470e)
cool, thanks!
and i see the Sinfonia da Requiem thrown in, too. What a bonus for me, i don't have it on CD but i've heard it a long long time ago and liked it
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lethevich on October 27, 2007, 06:15:54 AM
cool, thanks!
and i see the Sinfonia da Requiem thrown in, too. What a bonus for me, i don't have it on CD but i've heard it a long long time ago and liked it

The Britten symphony should appeal to anyone who likes the Mahler 10 :) And probably Mahler fans in general :D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 27, 2007, 06:18:29 AM
cool, thanks!
and i see the Sinfonia da Requiem thrown in, too. What a bonus for me, i don't have it on CD but i've heard it a long long time ago and liked it

No sweat. I wasn't gonna leave out a gem like the Britten. ;)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 27, 2007, 07:02:58 AM
The fact that I'm not an idiot stops me from doing that.

 :D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: BachQ on October 27, 2007, 07:22:45 AM
We have done this before, and it's still a bad idea for listmania.

This concept for the list artificially disfavors symphonies that are not numbered from 1-10.  And it also tends to focus the posters on a handful of composers that wrote the modest Beethoven-ian number of symphonies.  For instance nobody in their right mind would put Mozart or Haydn on the list because their first ten symphonies were not great.  Nobody would put Stravinsky on the list because his symphonies are not numbered.

You want to make list making refreshing, interesting?  That's impossible because lists are boring.  We are talking about PASSIONATE MUSIC DAMNIT!  You don't categorize, list it, inventory it... YOU EXPERIENCE IT!!!  Stop treating your listening like a damned stamp collection!

David, you would have been far more persuasive had you presented your reasons and arguments in list format ........
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 27, 2007, 07:25:51 AM
David, you would have been far more persuasive had you presented your reasons and arguments in list format ........

;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Don on October 27, 2007, 07:51:48 AM
Lists are a harmless diversion, nothing to get into a stew about.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Renfield on October 27, 2007, 09:03:38 AM
Lists are a harmless diversion, nothing to get into a stew about.

Again, Don covered me. "It's a game." :)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Lilas Pastia on October 27, 2007, 06:28:29 PM
T The only reason I've ever bought a CD is because I want to listen to it. It has no other purpose.


Sarge

True, but lately I find much to my chagrin that I accumulate more than I have time to listen to. The intent is there, it's the capacity that fails me :P. I blame all those downloads for that situation (those I buy and those I receive). There's so much out there that demands to be known, but I'd have to be retired and a widower to have the time. Woe is me... :'(
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: quintett op.57 on October 27, 2007, 09:59:23 PM
That is not to say that they stop liking music! :D  No that is just to say that they driven by the compulsion to build and admire their collection more than they are driven to just simply listen to music.
Soon I'll sell my CD player in order have more space for my CDs ;)

Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: quintett op.57 on October 27, 2007, 10:01:03 PM
No, I can't believe this thread will modify the behaviour of any reader, David.
But one thing is true in wat you've said : Haydn's symphonies, for example, need to be promoted.

Only 17 voters in 2 days in my London Symphonies poll, this is a very week number. It proves that Haydn (and probably the whole classical period) is not sexy at all for the classical fans. He would be much more popular if everyone had a serious listening at his works.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mark on October 27, 2007, 10:33:57 PM
He would be much more popular if everyone had a serious listening at his works.

There are so many, though. It's actually rather overwheming, the prospect of opening that Dorati/Decca box and selecting a disc. I never know where to start.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: quintett op.57 on October 28, 2007, 04:08:12 AM
maybe it's not the good solution to buy a complete set.
It's less expensive, but were you 100 times happier when bought it?

I myself haven't listened to each of my Bernstein London boxset, my largest haydn set. 12 is too much. I always go back to my favourites.
Our dear Josef often composed cycles of six works, it's probably the best figure for a set. He was a clever man.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: ChamberNut on December 10, 2007, 06:55:54 PM
Sorry to dig up an old thread.  >:D

Here is my list:

1 - Brahms - Symphony No. 1

2 - Schumann - Symphony No. 2

3 - Beethoven - Symphony No. 3

4 - Brahms - Symphony No. 4

5 - Mendelssohn - Symphony No. 5

6 - Beethoven - Symphony No. 6

7 - Beethoven - Symphony No. 7

8 - Bruckner - Symphony No. 8

9 - Beethoven - Symphony No. 9

*10+ - Mozart - Symphony No. 40  ;D
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Israfel the Black on December 10, 2007, 08:12:56 PM
1. Mahler's First
2. Sibelius' Second
3. Bruckner's Third
4. Tchaikovsky's Fourth
5. Beethoven's Fifth
6. Tchaikovsky's Sixth
7. Sibelius' Seventh
8. Bruckner's Eighth
9. Bruckner's Ninth
10. Shostakovich's Tenth
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Handel on January 09, 2008, 12:03:08 PM
It will be easy for me.... ;D

1- Beethoven

2- Beethoven

3- Beethoven

4- Beethoven

5- Beethoven

6- Haydn

7- Beethoven

8- Schubert

9- Schubert

10 - Haydn (or maybe Mozart, I should listen to it before.  ;D )
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Don on January 09, 2008, 12:09:13 PM
No, I can't believe this thread will modify the behaviour of any reader, David.
But one thing is true in wat you've said : Haydn's symphonies, for example, need to be promoted.


More promotion for Haydn's symphonies.  Why?  Everyone knows he wrote over 100 of them and the discography is huge.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Handel on January 09, 2008, 12:29:25 PM
On this I have a question. How hard it is for a 19th century music lover, who is served with many great symphonies, to really appreciate Haydn's symphonies (let say the London Symphonies) without undermining them (with or without conscience)? I'm asking this on a positive way. I remember to have read that Berlioz was non impressed with them because of norm Beethoven raised with his symphonies.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: jwinter on January 09, 2008, 01:23:10 PM
What the hey, I'll pitch in, since it's already bumped:

1) Brahms
2) Sibelius
3) Mahler
4) Bruckner
5) Beethoven
6) Tchaikovsky
7) Beethoven
8) Bruckner
9) [sounds of scuffling, a chair is thrown, police sirens echo in the night] Bruckner
10) Shostakovich
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Mr Bloom on January 09, 2008, 02:03:57 PM
I'll stick to one.

1. Popov
2. Vermeulen
3. Szymanowski
4. Ives
5. Nielsen
6. Hartmann
7. Sibelius
8. Atterberg
9. Beethoven
10. Tubin
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Symphonien on January 09, 2008, 11:26:01 PM
Ah, why not...

1. Brahms
2. Sibelius
3. Nørgård
4. Nielsen
5. Mahler
6. Tchaikovsky
7. Rautavaara
8. Schnittke
9. Beethoven
10. Shostakovich
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Wanderer on July 21, 2021, 08:03:44 PM
9) [sounds of scuffling, a chair is thrown, police sirens echo in the night] Bruckner

 ;D


No chance of minimalism on this fine Peloponnesian morning:

1) Haydn, Beethoven, Brahms, Elgar, Gade, Langgaard, Schmidt, Tchaikovsky
2) Mahler, Schmidt, Schumann
3) Beethoven, Bruckner, Nielsen
4) Brahms, Bruckner, Nielsen
5) Bruckner, Mendelssohn, Sibelius
6) Mahler, Beethoven
7) Beethoven, Sibelius, Vaughan Williams
8 ) Mahler, Bruckner, Schubert
9) Bruckner (mit finale), Schubert, Beethoven
10) Shostakovich, Mahler
38) Mozart
94) Haydn
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: amw on July 22, 2021, 06:50:34 AM
Did my best

1 - Arriaga, Juan Crisóstomo de
2 - Brahms, Johannes
3 - Creston, Paul
4 - Dvořák, Antonín
5 - Enescu, George
6 - Frankel, Benjamin
7 - Gade, Niels
8 - Holmboe, Vagn
9 - ?
10 - Johnson, David Hackbridge
11 - Koželuch, Leopold ("L'irresoluto")
12 - Langgaard, Rued ("Helsingborg")
13 - Myaskovsky, Nikolay
14 - ?
15 - ?
16 - Pettersson, Allan
17 - ?
18 - Röntgen, Julius
19 - ?
20 - ?
21 - ?
22 - Vanhal, Johann Baptist (Bryan order: D2, excluding four works of doubtful authenticity)
23 - ?
24 - ?
25 - ?
26 - ?

This poll is rather unfair to composers in the second half of the alphabet
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: amw on July 22, 2021, 07:20:30 AM
1 - Anton Webern
2 - Bohuslav Martinů
3 - Carl Nielsen
4 - Dmitri Shostakovich
5 - Edmund Rubbra
6 - Franz Schubert
7 - Gustav Mahler
8 - Hans Werner Henze
9 - Ib Nørholm
10 - Joseph Haydn
11 - Kalevi Aho
12 - Luigi Boccherini (Op. 35 no. 6)
13 - Mieczysław Weinberg
14 - Nikolay Myaskovsky
15 - ?
16 - Paul Wranitzky (Op. 35 no. 1)
17 - ?
18 - ?
19 - ?
20 - ?
21 - ?
22 - Václav Pichl
23 - Wolfgang Gottlieb Mozart (K.181/162b)
24 - ?
25 - ?
26 - ?

Can't say that worked very much better.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Cato on July 22, 2021, 08:40:01 AM
;D


No chance of minimalism on this fine Peloponnesian morning:

1) Haydn, Beethoven, Brahms, Elgar, Gade, Langgaard, Schmidt, Tchaikovsky
2) Mahler, Schmidt, Schumann
3) Beethoven, Bruckner, Nielsen
4) Brahms, Bruckner, Nielsen
5) Bruckner, Mendelssohn, Sibelius
6) Mahler, Beethoven
7) Beethoven, Sibelius, Vaughan Williams
8 ) Mahler, Bruckner, Schubert
9) Bruckner (mit finale), Schubert, Beethoven
10) Shostakovich, Mahler
38) Mozart
94) Haydn


WANDERER!!!  How did you summon up this topic from 14 years ago?!   ??? ??? ???   :D


You followed my method!

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This topic disses MozartHaydn, Brian, Miaskovsky, and Hovhaness!   0:)

But okay!

Again, like with Fritos, you can't pick just one!  Bold-type indicates my special recommendation of a composer who might not readily come to mind.

1. Bruckner, Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Ives, Hartmann, Ernst Chausson (!),  Hans Rott (!!!)
2. Mahler, Rimsky-Korsakov, Prokofiev, Ives, Schumann Ernst Krenek,
3. Schumann, Scriabin, Bruckner, Prokofiev, Gliere, Alexander Tcherepnin
4. Bruckner, Beethoven, Brahms, Scriabin, Ives, Ernst Toch
5. Mahler, Bruckner, Sibelius, Scriabin, Ernst Krenek
6. Mahler, Bruckner, Prokofiev, Dvorak, Karl Amadeus Hartmann
7. Beethoven, Bruckner, Mahler, Sibelius, Karl Amadeus Hartmann
8. Bruckner, Mahler, Schubert, Karl Amadeus Hartmann
9. Bruckner, Beethoven, Mahler, Dvorak, Shostakovich
10. Mahler, Mahler, Mahler, Mahler, Shostakovich

It seems things were evolving in our usual fashion!   ;)

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This is getting unfair!   $:)

How about the Piano Concerto for Orchestra and Chorus by Busoni?     8)

Look, it's basically as long as a Mahler symphony (70 minutes), and better than any symphony by e.g. Glazunov!

It can have my vote for 10 1/2!  (And Fellini votes for 8 1/2.)



And getting out of control in our usual fashion!  0:)


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...

And maybe 10 3/4 can be the "Universe" Symphony by Scriabin, aka  Prefatory Action .


For Tenth Symphonies: It struck me that Hans Werner Henze's Tenth is over 20 years old now:



https://www.youtube.com/v/6kEDNv_N_iI


And for Ninths, an alternate candidate whom some may not have thought of:


https://www.youtube.com/v/hlJkv5URiEU




Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: krummholz on July 23, 2021, 04:50:23 AM
1) Tippett or Simpson - a tie.
2) Mahler.
3) Beethoven or Bruckner - probably Beethoven.
4) Tubin, Sibelius, or Shostakovich - probably Tubin.
5) Nielsen.
6) Mahler, strong honorable mentions to Holmboe, Tubin.
7) Tubin or Pettersson - probably Tubin. Honourable mention to Simpson.
8 ) Bruckner or Shostakovich - a tie. Honorable mentions to Simpson and Holmboe.
9) Almost too many to mention: Beethoven, Schubert, Bruckner, Mahler, Holmboe, Simpson. Probably Holmboe.
10) Simpson or Holmboe - probably Simpson.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: foxandpeng on July 23, 2021, 12:37:13 PM
1) Tippett or Simpson - a tie.
2) Mahler.
3) Beethoven or Bruckner - probably Beethoven.
4) Tubin, Sibelius, or Shostakovich - probably Tubin.
5) Nielsen.
6) Mahler, strong honorable mentions to Holmboe, Tubin.
7) Tubin or Pettersson - probably Tubin. Honourable mention to Simpson.
8 ) Bruckner or Shostakovich - a tie. Honorable mentions to Simpson and Holmboe.
9) Almost too many to mention: Beethoven, Schubert, Bruckner, Mahler, Holmboe, Simpson. Probably Holmboe.
10) Simpson or Holmboe - probably Simpson.

I love your list  :)
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: DavidW on July 23, 2021, 03:00:54 PM
1 ) Mahler, Elgar - Symphony No. 1

2 ) Mahler, Sibelius, Elgar - Symphony No. 2

3 ) Beethoven - Symphony No. 3

4 ) Bruckner, Brahms - Symphony No. 4

5 ) Mahler, Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5

6 ) Beethoven, Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6

7 ) Beethoven, Bruckner - Symphony No. 7

8 ) Shostakovich, Bruckner, Schubert - Symphony No. 8

9 ) Dvorak, Mahler - Symphony No. 9

10 ) Mahler - Symphony No. 10

11 ) Shostakovich, couldn't leave this out as its one of my faves  8)

I like TonyTT's list, think that matches mine except I'll replace the Mahler 10 with Shostakovich 10 and replace Beethoven 6 with Mahler 6.  And oh yeah I apologize for my complete meltdown 14 years ago.  It is no excuse, but I was in my first year as a teacher with no guidance or structure whatsoever.  It was a huge amount of stress.
Title: Re: Favourite Top Ten Symphonies ... with a difference
Post by: Wanderer on July 23, 2021, 11:24:06 PM
WANDERER!!!  How did you summon up this topic from 14 years ago?!   ??? ??? ???   :D

From time to time I like to run through the topics’ lists in reverse and see what I’ve missed (and revisit interesting conversations). In fact, I don’t think I’ve seen most of the topics from the mid-2007 to mid-2008 period, as that was the time I was serving my military service. When this specific topic was created, for instance, I believe I was in combat training in Arcadia.


You followed my method!

It is the most sensible. 😉


It seems things were evolving in our usual fashion!   ;)



And getting out of control in our usual fashion!  0:)

Don’t you love it when that happens? 😁